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GeneralElizamacy/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:48 PM
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1

Huh?
/r/MensRights19/05/23 07:00 PM
12

You sound like you dislike your wife
/r/MensRights08/05/23 03:25 PM
1

I think there’s so many factors that are likely at play- one possibly being fear of ridicule. I do also think women do tend to care about social issues more in general, which I do think has to do with compassion levels. I think the issues women speak about when speaking about men’s issues may be quite different to what many men would consider their primary issues to be.
/r/MensRights07/05/23 08:08 PM
1

I will say among the people I follow (like my circle of people I know) it’s only ever the women that say anything about men’s issues at all. The men are all silent on men’s and women’s issues, while the women speak out about both.
/r/MensRights07/05/23 07:15 PM
2

This doesn’t pertain to what you said or what I’m asking though
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:45 PM
1

What’s your basis for believing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:41 PM
-1

There’s a huge difference between a 28 year old man dating an 18 year old girl versus a gap between a 40 y and 50 y
/r/MensRights06/05/23 06:09 AM
4

Me neither..which is concerning welp
/r/MensRights03/05/23 09:21 PM
3

Smurfs? How so? Papa smurf was a very good patriarch
/r/MensRights03/05/23 09:11 PM
2

Agree with all of these except the permission one, cause idk- don’t you think spouses should operate according to the other person’s wants and needs too? It makes sense to act as a unit and check your partner is ok with things (both ways though)
/r/MensRights03/05/23 09:10 PM
7

What is wrong with you? I promise the answer to men’s issues is not to revert back to treating women like objects for your own pervertedness. This is so wildly unnecessary and disgusting, and people like you are the exact reason the men’s rights movement won’t be as impactful as it should- because impact relies on an element of credibility, something you’re actively helping reduce.
/r/MensRights03/05/23 09:08 PM
5

YES ugh. It’s awful in every way. Redundant and tired. Insulting to men and pushing a bad narrative. Destructive to men’s vital role in the family unit. A bad example to young boys and absolving men of responsibility by perpetuating the idea that it’s normal for a man to not know how to look after his own kid, for example (Incredibles 2).
/r/MensRights03/05/23 09:03 PM
1

Sure, I’m glad to hear that distinction at least
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:08 PM
1

But you said that if they had been interested in you, you’d probably have given them the lift?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:39 AM
1

I presume they didn’t plan that their friends would abandon them. Look logically it makes the most sense to have gone to someone she presumed had a liking towards her and that she was remotely familiar with over a stranger. She’s not in the wrong at all for asking, you’re not in the wrong for not giving her a ride. But I do find it a bit concerning if your basis for being concerned about someone’s safety is if they’re attracted to you reciprocally
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 06:36 AM
1

I don’t understand the reaction I’m getting
/r/MensRights29/04/23 06:28 AM
1

I’m sorry. When’s the right time and right place?
/r/MensRights29/04/23 06:27 AM
1

Not men that can make them orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 05:37 AM
5

What did she lie about? /gen
/r/MensRights28/04/23 08:24 AM
-3

This is the first I’m hearing of this tragic case, so bear with me here- from my understanding, the atrocities committed towards him were over him whistling at her? Extremely disproportionate reaction (obviously) and disgusting. But am I missing something? Why is she referred to as a false-accuser? The whistling was confirmed by Till’s cousin. Did she accuse him for something else on top of that? It seems more like an accurate accusation with a horrendous outcome
/r/MensRights28/04/23 08:23 AM
1

“Your own benefit” like getting home alive?? It’s not like she was asking you to buy her a drink or something unnecessary, this was a matter of safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:34 AM
2

Yes, in light of the context of having sex with someone and then disregarding their safety because they’re a “stranger”. If you don’t value them enough to care that something awful doesn’t happen to them because of you, I don’t think you should be engaging intimately with them. I think that’s pretty objectively terrible and is essentially treating someone like a sex object for your own benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:24 AM
1

How is that manipulative?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:14 AM
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How is my conclusion illogical, it’s directly based on what you’ve said
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:13 AM
2

I mean, niceness doesn’t really make a conversation worthwhile, that’s more up to conversation skills and being interesting and engaging etc. But niceness is a factor to consider when it comes to safety and favours etc
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:35 PM
2

Well I presume your interest made you try establish yourself as a nice person to her? So yeah if she didn’t know anyone else, it makes sense she’d go to the one guy she sort of knows who seemed decent? As opposed to any old stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:29 PM
1

So you only offer favours to people you’re attracted to? Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:28 PM
8

why have sex with someone you barely know? If there’s connection enough to do that, there should be decency enough to care about their safety. You are an objectively terrible person if you’re happy to use someone as a sex object and then leave them to have some terrible thing happen to them because you don’t care about them at all
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:21 PM
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Imagine having sex with someone and then deciding that the fact that they had sex with you means they don’t respect themself🤣 my word. It takes two to tango, and if you consider a women less clean after you’ve touched her, take a look at your own hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:20 PM
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Asking her out would seem to imply you cared about her, and she’s a good person..?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:25 AM
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Ofc he doesn’t, but what kind of awful person do you have to be to not care about the safety of someone you’ve had sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:13 AM
2

What’s the difference between a genuine friend and a friend zone friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:12 AM
4

I don’t think anyone really expects you to “treat them as though you’re interested in them” after being turned down, but I think there is an expectation that you don’t completely switch up and stop showing basic kindness. You definitely weren’t obligated to offer a lift, but I don’t think her asking for one is = to expecting you to act as if you’re interested? It’s just asking a person to do a favour. (Which again, doesn’t mean you were in any way obligated to do it). I think there’s a big issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:11 AM
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Don’t worry bud, I don’t imagine that’ll ever be an issue for you. Why use one of the most rare cases as an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:21 AM
1

Yeah so then, as they clearly said, that’s misandry. This isn’t some kinda “gotcha”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:20 AM
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Why attack hypothetical women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:25 PM
1

Yeah there wasn’t any reason to assume that though
/r/MensRights24/01/23 06:09 PM
1

It’s insane to me the number of people downvoting my comment, which is simply an open ended, genuine question that provides scope for someone to elaborate on a point he was trying to make and further speak on the issue. The only reason there would be to downvote, is if the very idea of someone wanting elaboration on a statement feels threatening and you therefore react emotionally
/r/MensRights09/01/23 11:52 AM
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This is an extremely immature response to a legitimate question, and a contribution to the lack of credibility of this forum and movement. If you can’t handle a genuine question of a statement made, without insulting someone, you need to really do some introspection on your whole character and the statement you supposedly believe in. If there was actual backing to the statement, there wouldn’t be such an emotional response to my question. The irony of using a subreddit designed for advocating ag…
/r/MensRights09/01/23 11:48 AM
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What are these extensive options provided to women that aren’t provided to men?
/r/MensRights27/12/22 03:59 PM
1

Bragging about not being abusive seems very strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 06:57 PM
5

Clearly that was who was relevant to what she was talking about which is her applicable dating demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 09:32 AM
1

I agree that submission is not the same as being property, however what I meant is that I thought the tradition of taking the surname of the man came from when women were regarded as property, not from just being a thing of submission? I also agree to an extent about the natural roles, though if you have a source for it actually being proven to be biologically ingrained I’d love to see that.
/r/MensRights03/10/21 01:37 PM
1

I think it more came from the idea of women being the man’s property did it not? And I don’t think a woman not wanting to submit to that tradition indicates any future marital dysfunction any more than a man wanting his woman to submit to it does? Anyways, I agree about the discussing it together part
/r/MensRights01/10/21 04:21 PM
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Should there not be analysis done on why it’s culturally seen as a sign of respect, and why she’d rather not do it instead of just expecting conformity to some tradition?
/r/MensRights01/10/21 09:40 AM
3

What if it is because of not liking the (patriarchal) tradition connected with it?
/r/MensRights01/10/21 09:38 AM
0

Yeah you can take hers
/r/MensRights01/10/21 09:37 AM
0

Just wondering, what does this have to do with men’s rights?
/r/MensRights01/10/21 09:35 AM
1

Is this just personal opinion? Because I’ve had experience with many many men that seem to just dislike women at their core
/r/MensRights23/09/21 10:54 AM
9

Which is heavily insulting to men and also harmful to women since it normalizes men being incompetent as if that’s just the way they are and we should accept it
/r/MensRights15/09/21 11:10 AM
1

Fair enough and good on you for checking
/r/MensRights07/09/21 07:06 AM
1

Oh wow, they can’t be serious.
/r/MensRights07/09/21 07:05 AM
1

I hear you. Maybe the stigma around mental health where it’s seen to = weakness and men can’t be weak
/r/MensRights06/09/21 11:30 AM
0

Ah yes. Men’s rights issues. Poor thing.
/r/MensRights06/09/21 07:02 AM
1

Similar to women being looked down upon for not taking care of domestic issues. Both remnants of the past. This is a matter of social opinion so I suppose the solution is in removing the stigma as we raise the next generation?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 07:01 AM
1

What makes men “have to” tackle these jobs (besides the draft in a military case)?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 07:00 AM
2

Thanks, always good to remember
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:59 AM
2

Thank you I will look at this
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:59 AM
1

Are you suggesting we need similar programs to help non poc men? What would the programs implement? Do men support these programs for women and poc, and would they support programs with their best interest in mind?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:58 AM
1

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t very lost on what is going on here
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:57 AM
1

Are you able to elaborate? What discrimination/oppression is faced in this medical care?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:56 AM
1

This is a hard one, what is the solution ? Unfortunately this issue arises because of the necessary fear women need in order to be safe from the men that are creeps and sexual harassers.
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:55 AM
1

Are women not also expected to fix what lacks in men’s lives? Are there any examples of these unreasonable expectations? Thanks
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:54 AM
1

Hi, OP here. Got into a car accident so Reddit hasn’t exactly been my top priority. Just made a post edit. Received such a huge response it’s a bit overwhelming (not complaining) to go through everything especially since I’m wanting to really consider what everyone has to say.
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:53 AM
3

Who defines what’s manly?
/r/MensRights06/09/21 06:50 AM
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If you’re too stupid to make a coherent point or to elaborate when someone doesn’t understand just say that. No need to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:07 PM
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Excuse me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:00 AM
45

Wow, very thorough response. Thank you I’ll read through all this
/r/MensRights31/08/21 04:41 PM
3

I’ve personally always said that masculinity isn’t toxic but the preoccupation with it is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:07 PM
1

Why’s that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:51 PM
0

And I’m not. I said what I said in response to a comment about feminism always having been a hate movement, from the start.
/r/MensRights29/08/21 03:18 PM
1

My comment is in reference to the one speaking about the initial feminist movement being a hate movement. Women back then didn’t even have the right to vote, so that’s an example x
/r/MensRights29/08/21 01:46 PM
2

I haven’t had experience with that but both are extremely petty
/r/MensRights29/08/21 01:45 PM
-11

I think some feminists (particularly third wave) hate men, sure. And call that out. But I genuinely don’t understand the claim that feminism has always been a “hate movement”.
/r/MensRights29/08/21 12:01 PM
-8

Imagine downvoting someone for wanting a source for a really bold claim
/r/MensRights29/08/21 08:01 AM
-32

Wanting equal rights is a hate movement?
/r/MensRights29/08/21 08:00 AM
1

You can actually like someone who also happens to have more money lol I was under the assumption that you love the guy and like him but between two guys with the same traits and who you like equally youd obviously go for the one who’s got more money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:29 PM
1

A gold digger
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:28 PM
4

If you CAN date up why wouldn’t you? If a woman can score a man of that level why tf would she pass up on it. Dating isn’t charity work and no one is obligated to do it. It isn’t women’s fault that men are happy to settle for less
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 12:11 PM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 05:20 AM
2

What’s your basis for “everyone knows tinder is a hookup app” because I don’t believe that’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 05:19 AM
0

A lot of women did have to marry against their will though? And at the very least had to stay married against their will? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say about chads and whatnot
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 03:16 PM
2

The fact that women prefer being single just shows the fact that men don’t provide enough to women in relationships while women actively better the lives of men, thus men prefer to be in relationships. You still just seem biased based on who knows what basis, and it’s ironic to me that you’d keep telling other people they aren’t making an argument when you hardly are yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 03:06 PM
0

So women were able to love men when they were forced into situations against their will but now that women actively choose to stay with men through thick and thin they somehow aren’t capable of love? Makes sense /s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 07:07 AM
1

And you genuinely think you are making an argument and no just being biased? The very fact that you said sex is why most men get into relationships is a point against the idea that men are able to love when women aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 07:06 AM
1

Well I am a woman who loves a man so of course I disagree. You sound like you hate women and are bitter because you haven’t found one who loves YOU, but I still don’t see any reason you have to believe females are literally incapable of loving men. It also seems like your experience with men’s standards vs women’s is purely anecdotal at best and speculative at worst? Is there any actual backing for these claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 07:03 AM
1

You sound like you hate women so forgive me having a hard time believing you get any. If you do, good for you, but you sound kinda rapey and if I were you I’d work on that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 05:48 AM
1

I don’t think I should need to provide an argument for the idea that half the population is in fact capable of loving the other half. I’m really curious why you think women can’t love men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 05:22 AM
2

And to answer your first question- it’s because you sound like someone that hates women and sound ridiculous saying “take away men’s freedom”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:13 PM
2

We’re not saying talking to someone should be illegal though? Someone just mistakenly thought that continuing to talk to someone after they tell you no, was harassment (which it is in some circumstances) and therefore was illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:12 PM
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I mean maybe it is but it’s based on plenty of anecdotal experience and it’s not a conscious thing, it’s like a subconscious association I have and I can’t help that. The difference with race is that we are obligated to treat people like human beings, we are not obligated to find people attractive or want to sleep with them or date them. It may be discriminatory but I don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with that in this context. And it’s not that I’d outright refuse to speak to them …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:05 PM
1

I think it depends on the individual- I find cleanliness and being well groomed and charisma more attractive then just having a nice face. People with too nice of a face are unattractive immediately because I associate that with cockiness and shallowness unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:44 PM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:26 AM
1

Yeah but clearly more so one over the other, else the dads abuse would have the same impact
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 10:04 AM
1

Makes sense I suppose- more the lack of something rather than the presence of negative treatment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:49 AM
2

Being attractive helps- but being attractive doesn’t just mean being naturally good looking. And naturally good looking people definitely still create fear and feeling creeped out, if they act in a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:20 AM
1

Interesting, I wonder why
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:20 AM
2

I’m 18😂 sorry for not being able to determine your tone from that, hence why I asked for clarification. I’m just not seeing the reason for adding that comment unless it was as a sort of comedic observation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:19 AM
2

That’s funny to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:44 AM
1

What’s your basis for this? Sorry a woman has never loved you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:33 AM
1

Mothers not fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:30 AM
1

I’m not friends with people I don’t think have a lot to offer- having an interesting personality, being smart and funny and kind are all traits that make a good friend, and so equally will make a good romantic partner. How attractive someone is physically to me and many others is largely based in their personality, so when you’ve spent a lot of time around these women with great personalities, you genuinely think they’re super pretty because their personality is so lovely. I just can’t answer wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:27 AM
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And you’d be surprised how many unattractive men still cheat on their attractive partners. I think it’s largely a thing of insecurity- they want to feel like they can pull more than one person etc
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:22 AM
1

Maybe it comes across that you see them as average or below women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:14 AM
1

I don’t believe they ignored that fact at all, simply by stating that there is another category of men who believe any form of mild rejection ≠ being called a creep. I’m curious about how many men here have actually been called creepy or had someone they know been called creepy. That doesn’t ignore the possibility of it, it just suggests that isn’t always the case and some men have internal insecurities that they project onto women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:13 AM
1

Because not caring about women’s comfort is gonna land you so many women..?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:09 AM
8

You sound like the exact type of guy no one wants to come up to them and speak
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:06 AM
1

Yes, but how attractive you are is based in so much more than just natural looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:03 AM
1

To an extent, but it also depends heavily on what you choose to say, body language, how you handle rejection etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:00 AM
1

That sorta sounds like “stop giving a fuck about how uncomfortable you may make the woman”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:00 AM
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I think you’re ignoring the fact that women have a very real necessary fear of men that is inbuilt for safety. You sound as though you have 0 empathy for that and think women just choose to pretend that’s how we feel
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:58 AM
1

If you aren’t someone she considers physically attractive, the only way to do it is to genuinely start off just being friendly and trying to make a genuine connection with no ulterior motives. If you’re an attractive person in terms of personality, it’ll come through then and you’ve upped your chances, and if not then🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:57 AM
1

Yeah it definitely extends to men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:55 AM
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True, but a lot of what is meant by “be attractive” are things you can actively choose to do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:55 AM
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Male professors I imagine? I wonder if that’s some sort of weird bias because of attraction
/r/MensRights24/08/21 07:01 AM
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It is, but it’s anti male in a way that is also harmful to women. It portrays the incompetent dad trope a lot for example, which is insulting to men but also perpetuates the idea that it’s normal for men to not know how to look after their own kids and that’s just how they are (which is harmful to women, who are just expected to be these all knowing characters who teach their husbands everything)
/r/MensRights24/08/21 07:00 AM
1

Sorry please elaborate on what you mean by “be ruined in family court”?
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:59 AM
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I will say though, beggars can’t be choosers. So be as choosey as you want as a guy, but don’t then complain that you can’t find any women. Women can be more choosey because they can still be successful while having those standards, and while that’s unfair, it isn’t women’s fault that men meet their standards and are willing to date them. Women are not obligated to meet men’s standards, but I agree that they shouldn’t be calling men misogynistic for having the standards, UNLESS they are willing …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:54 AM
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You can feel that it’s not valid all you want, but it doesn’t make it unacceptable. You just have different logic, but since dating is an additional choice and not an obligation, you can decide whether to do it or not based on whatever you want and no one can really hold that against you since we don’t technically have to date at all if we don’t want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:49 AM
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And that is why I will never understand how it’s discrimination to not want to sleep with a trans person. Even if it is, I feel like when it comes to sex and dating it’s fair game to discriminate as much as you like. You are under no obligation to want to do those things with anyone at all. It’s a personal choice to do those things if you feel you really want to. No one should ever have to answer for not wanting to do those things imo, doesn’t matter why.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:47 AM
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Yeah or to romance or a relationship at all
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:45 AM
1

Exactly. Nobody is entitled to people wanting to date them. It’s not like a human right lol. No one has to want to date anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:44 AM
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I respect your opinion. I think making gendered statements in general is complicated- while it isn’t true that all men have power it is true that between the genders, the one that has the most power is men. Men have power≠ every man has more power than every woman. All that said, I still think the song is cringe and unnecessary, I don’t think it does anything helpful. I just also don’t think it’s harmful personally.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 11:36 AM
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I mean, girls quite literally do not run the world and so it’s seen as acceptable to say. Men do run the world and have for ever and so it would seem like bragging about an oppressive reality to say that
/r/MensRights20/08/21 06:04 PM
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I think it’s unlikely that there would be no side effects, since women have so many
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 05:30 AM
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