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Australia really has an anti-male bias these days. Fuckin' incredible. This is just blatant discrimination. EDIT: Whoops, saw "Melbourne" and assumed this was Australia. Sucks for men in the UK too it seems. Maybe I'm just on this sub too much, but I see so many stories of injustice for men coming out of these countries, it's hard not to despair and see them in a really negative light. Things seem slightly more balanced (although still shitty) in the US, but that's probably just my bias as an Am…
/r/MensRights16/10/15 01:06 AM
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While it is important to point out that women objectify men sexually too, I personally would much rather we could all just agree that this sort of stuff is nowhere near as damaging to society as some people claim. There's no need to make mountains out of molehills, especially when there are much more concrete, pervasive, and damaging ways in which men and women are being discriminated against.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 11:16 PM
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This. This is a lame attempt by HuffPo to convince its critics that it's not a feminist publication, or that it's at least one of the "good" ones that gives equal attention to male issues. This no different than the "masculinities" departments feminists advocate, and it's an example of why feminists do an incredibly poor job at understanding men. IMO, HuffPo just added to the evidence that they're biased against men.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 11:10 PM
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While I certainly would love to see him proven innocent, simply because it confirms my belief that false accusations are far more common than most people think, and such a development would be a powerful example of it, I also understand that this means I have a bias that needs to be checked. I hope it turns out he's innocent, but if he's guilty, I want him locked the fuck up. My personal political agenda and even the very good cause of this movement are nowhere near as important as the truth, an…
/r/MensRights15/10/15 10:57 PM
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The article offers virtually no details about the case itself. People are going to come to their own conclusions about this based on their politics. The important part is that there was a vast difference between the conclusions of the police and those of the university, but without the details of either investigation, it's impossible to objectively assess which conclusion was correct. That being said, universities shouldn't be doing any investigating at all—they should only be notifying and aidi…
/r/MensRights15/10/15 02:23 AM
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Don't know about before, but I see your comment on the page now. Was that your wife calling them out for censoring it?
/r/MensRights14/10/15 12:44 AM
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I get that, and it's a sexist double-standard, yes. I'm just pointing out that male rap artists have written plenty of songs that dehumanize women regularly—so regularly that it's considered a staple of the genre, and is usually accepted without major criticism from the public. My point is that, yes, some women write songs about murdering men and are lauded for it, but some men write songs about treating women as sex slaves and people love them for that. Sexism in music is everywhere and it cuts…
/r/MensRights13/10/15 12:52 PM
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I think rap and hip-hop alone have made up for songs like this with their treatment of women in lyrics. Seriously, it's art. Artists can do what they like. Don't like it? Don't buy their shit. Give it a rest.
/r/MensRights13/10/15 05:24 AM
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It's not my mission in life, but I do my part where I can.
/r/MensRights13/10/15 12:47 AM
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It's a useful generalization that saves a lot of oxygen. No, it's not—it's just sexist. Obviously you need to know when to accurately apply it Yes—it may be accurate to specific women, but not to women in general. That's what makes it a sexist generalization. Alternatively, you can "call" me out on it, which doesn't really do anything. Yes it does; it lets the rest of the community know there are others here who don't support your fucked-up views and are willing to speak up about it. Those peopl…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 10:52 PM
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Except that it's not accurate, which makes it a bigoted generalization—and you do deserve to be called out on that.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:14 PM
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“It’s to get more of a masculine side of it that it’s not just a women’s problem,” said Kurt Kowal, a SAAVI intern. More two-faced, disingenuous bullshit coming from the feminist camp. This isn't about addressing "both sides" of the issue—it's about blaming men for rape and denying that women perpetrate rape and sexual abuse enough to require their own "woman card" campaign. This is typical of feminist attempts to "involve men" in their agenda—the message is, "men are bad, but they don't have to…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:05 PM
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Well, that's a refreshingly pro-male article from a site I've come to associate with a bias towards feminism. Glad to see the issue getting some attention, but I do think there are some things the article gets wrong and/or fails to mention. First of all, the comparison to women being expected to have smaller genitals is not a good one, IMO. Yes, there is a stated preference for "tight" pussies among men in general, but that preference gets nowhere near as much public play as a positive expectati…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:50 PM
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Not really a very good analysis of the MRM at all, as it doesn't focus on the movement, but merely a few gender issues (primarily DV). With respect to what it does talk about, I think the author gets it wrong by dumbing down the psychological happenings in an assault situation. The assaulted frequently doesn't know what is going to happen next, and being physically hit instantly causes adrenaline to rush into your system, which can impair one's judgment. How frequent is it for a person struck by…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:57 PM
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Truth is truth ,women are naturally liars. HA! And people here claim there's no misogyny on this sub. Get over your insecurities, dude.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:36 PM
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While I certainly do think feminists have been overblowing the presence of workplace sexism, I don't think it's safe to deny that it's an issue at all, particularly in fields that are dominated by one gender or another. The forms of sexism that thrive in mono-gender environments are ones that have simple ignorance at their core. For example: workplace policies that were designed by men, for men, and don't adequately take into account women's needs in the workplace. The same phenomenon occurs in …
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:17 PM
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I would generally prefer that /r/askmen and /r/askwomen were the default gender issues subs. TwoX has made it clear they'd rather it not be a default, and /r/mensrights is a very niche and dedicated political forum—it has no more business being a default sub than /r/feminism (although they do seem to engage less in censorship banning). I don't think making /r/oney a default in order to provide balance is a good move, simply because OneY is pretty off-the-beaten path of reddit (relatively few sub…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:03 PM
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Sorry, didn't immediately realize you were the OP. I don't have any problem with the fact that you posted it. Just trying to head off a phenomenon I often see in response to posts like these. I've been one of the hysterics on countless occasions, but I've realized it's often more a waste of energy than it is a useful expenditure. All of this stuff makes people angry, but I've realized that anger can really consume you and turn into depression, so I wanted to remind people that this is small pota…
/r/MensRights11/10/15 06:27 PM
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Shit like this gives me hope.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 06:24 PM
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I'd say that would more accurately describe the likely reaction to such an image, yes. Mainly though, I just think we ought to not waste our emotional energy on stuff this trivial. There are much more important issues that need more attention/energy. My comments are intended for the community though, not the OP—I didn't downvote this post nor do I think it should be removed, obviously. I've just seen people here go into hysterics over stuff like this, and thought I'd remind people of the fact th…
/r/MensRights11/10/15 05:57 PM
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Meh...SJW feminists might throw a tantrum, but I don't think the majority of society would really get upset over some random meme commenting on a hot girl. Besides, this is the sort of thing that feminists shoot themselves in the feet over, because when they do have a fit over something as trivial as this, the rest of society rolls its eyes and thinks, "oh, those crazy feminists, at it again." I think people on this sub sometimes forget that, while feminists do have more influence and political …
/r/MensRights11/10/15 05:27 PM
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In my experience, Salon just aims for stuff that will get clicks, and they actually seem to almost have a policy of trying to publish articles that attack issues from both ends of an extreme spectrum. I've seen other articles on their site that a sympathetic to men, and of course plenty that take a feminist perspective. They're hit-or-miss for me, as a result, but I respect the fact that they seem to see the importance of giving voice to multiple sides of an issue.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 05:14 PM
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There is no default position—it's a fucking toilet, and the seat being up or down depends solely on whether or not there's a guy in front of it who wants to do #1 standing up. All other uses involve the toilet seat being down. There is no potty situation in which a woman needs the seat up, that's why they want the "default" position to be down, and to be honest, it's not such a bad argument. That being said, I stand by my first point: it's a fucking toilet! I find this issue much like that A/C h…
/r/MensRights11/10/15 05:10 PM
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That being said, I'm not into criminalizing speech. The proper response to speech you don't like is more speech. Counter-argument, mockery, etc. Agreed.
/r/MensRights09/10/15 12:24 PM
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making sure that the police know when to bring them in Didn't you just get finished saying that wasn't the role of the police though? EDIT: Also, you didn't really answer my question in particular, you just gave some vague support for mental health and social services. What I wanted to know was how you think this case should have been handled, such that the kid might not have killed himself.
/r/MensRights09/10/15 12:20 PM
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While I do think the UK's laws on hate speech are a form of censorship that is antithetical to democracy and freedom, I am glad Bahar is getting equal treatment under the law. #killallmen is absolutely hate speech, and if there are laws making it a crime, then she should be charged and convicted. It's called equality.
/r/MensRights09/10/15 12:08 AM
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How do you think this situation should have been handled? Do you think it was handled entirely appropriately, and that we as a society should change nothing about how we handle rape accusations?
/r/MensRights08/10/15 10:17 PM
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It isn't being a white knight to refrain from screaming "false accuser" every time there's an accusation, which is the only thing I'm cautioning people against. If failing to pick up the pitchfork makes me part of the opposing camp in your view, then it sounds like you see this issue in black and white. I'm advocating for patience and reason, and against letting your feelings drive you to conclusions prematurely.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 06:28 PM
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Uhuh. Look, just because false accusations happen, doesn't mean there aren't still abusive men out there. Looking at every report of rape or DV from a woman with hyperbolic suspicion—and dare I say the assumption that she is lying—is idiotic. Seriously, was there anything in the article that indicates she and the daughter lied? Sure, maybe there's proof that's not being reported, but until that proof comes to light, I'm not gonna just assume every DV allegation is untrue. I'm not for believing h…
/r/MensRights08/10/15 12:31 PM
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This, OP. Its membership only, but all you have to do is message the mods and have 100+ karma on your account. Excellent discussions take place there, although the points of view do tend to skew towards the MRA perspective. There are feminists though, and thankfully, they're not the crazy ones.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 01:35 AM
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The 12-year-old daughter placed a 911 call just before the incident, reporting that the husband was beating her mother. Doesn't sound like a false allegation to me. Not every rape/DV accusation is false, guys, and we do ourselves no credit by going into hysterics over every such news item.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 01:28 AM
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Not condoning whatever your dad did, but being scum is not a crime. I'm personally of the attitude that having affairs while married should leave one liable for a civil suit, but I don't believe in alimony.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 01:03 AM
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I agree, it just doesn't fit the criteria for my list.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 12:59 AM
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If she was the only one who had access to it, I would think that would be enough for a civil suit at least. Anyway, I'm sorry.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 12:57 AM
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Gotta love how they mention the fact that minorities are disproportionately targeted, while completely failing to mention that men are disproportionately targeted. It's amazing to me how taboo it is even mention the idea that men are being discriminated against in any way in our society. Fucking disgusting.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 10:33 PM
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That's a fair point about the sentencing gap, but I'm still going to include it, as its prevalence and impact on men is fucking huge. The reason it counts as systemic and institutional IMO is that it is a government body (the criminal justice system) being influenced by cultural biases. When cultural biases bias important institutions in our society, that creates systemic injustice. This is very different from cultural biases that simply play out in our day-to-day interactions, and do not involv…
/r/MensRights05/10/15 09:29 PM
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My friend is not a feminist, and does approach these topics with an open mind. That's the only reason we're having this discussion in the first place.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 09:24 PM
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My condolences. I would hope he reported the dead dog to the authorities anyway. Don't know if they could/would do anything about it, but it should still be reported.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 09:23 PM
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Very good point, and that definitely counts. I'll be sure to include it.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 09:22 PM
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A "deadbeat dad" is a very charged term that refers to a man who abandons his family and children. I agree that men who consent to being fathers and then duck out are "deadbeats" and ought to be forced to pay child support. However, plenty of accidental fathers who simply never wanted to a kid are included in that category as well. As things stand, men cannot back out of fatherhood. If they accidentally get a woman pregnant, and she elects to keep the child, he becomes a father against his will.…
/r/MensRights05/10/15 09:18 PM
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I don't deny that all of those issues are very real, pervasive, and connected to the items on my list, but they are also primarily social constructs that don't really have any direct government or institutional backing. A discussion of the myriad ways in which men and women are unjustly saddled with expectations by society would never end, which is why my friend and I are limiting this to just institutionalized forms of discrimination. Thanks for the input though!
/r/MensRights05/10/15 09:14 PM
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With all due respect, I think the State should have provided that money, not your father. I do think he should have been compelled to pay child support (provided he at least had visitation rights), but assuming your mother had an education, I don't see why her disability is his responsibility. Social Security provides disability money for those that qualify—it isn't enough these days, and I'm all for enhancing/expanding social welfare programs, but this is where that money should have come from …
/r/MensRights05/10/15 12:33 PM
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Thanks for the information, but I believe the education gap is already a point on my list. The point here is not to flood my friend with supporting information (although I certainly appreciate it, so thanks), but simply to ensure she is aware of the issues.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:50 AM
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Fair point on technical grounds, but still incorrect. The original purpose of circumcision is still somewhat debated by religious and historical scholars, but it is far removed from the early 20th-Century arguments about it being good for curbing masturbatory habits. It's simply a false statement to say that was the original rationale for it.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:46 AM
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Those arguments were given during the anti-masturbation movements of the first half of the 20th century, and have not been repeated since. I am highly skeptical of the notion that a sizable chunk of the parents who choose to circumcise their boys are doing it to ensure he doesn't get too horny later on in life. I'm also highly skeptical that any do it out of fears he may one day contract an STD if they don't. I think the vast majority of parents who opt for the procedure do it for one of two rea…
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:38 AM
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Oh, I fully expect us to hit some snags. It's not that I think discussing these issues without getting into a pissing contest is easy, I just think it can be done. I've had such discussions before, plenty of times, on Reddit and elsewhere. People can be civil, even about things they have strong feelings about, it's just it takes a strong commitment to that endeavor on the part of both people—if either fails at it, the discussion collapses. As I said, I expect us to hit some snags. The real test …
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:31 AM
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I think you may be mistaking the discussion my friend and I are having with an argument. Discussions require open minds on both sides, and have the goal of improving mutual understanding over an issue; arguments/debates involve two people trying to convince each other of their own point of view. Per your DV example, I'm aware of those statistics, and mean to point them out to my friend. She may contest that, despite that, DV is still more of a women's issue than men's. The point is, we will disc…
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's that second paragraph (the one asserting that circumcision has always been about denying men sexual pleasure) that got the letter filed under "crazy," and thus not published. I'm against MGM myself, but the idea that it was done to deny men sexual pleasure is beyond dumb.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:00 AM
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Yeah, I agree—this is all too wrapped up in political agendas to be taken seriously. I'm open to more evidence coming forward, and I can certainly see Hillary being abusive, but the source for this just can't be trusted—it's just too easy to chalk it up to a political character assassination attempt.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 01:57 AM
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All good points, relevant to the Child Support and overall sentencing gap points. Will keep it in mind for the rebuttal, when it comes.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 01:47 AM
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I think I said elsewhere in this thread that I will be including examples of government-sponsored women's groups vs. men's groups, so that would obviously be included in that. Definitely a good example, worth adding.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 01:43 AM
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While I agree in general that "oppression olympics" is the wrong conversation to be having, I would argue that's not exactly the conversation we're having. We're specifically talking about institutional, systematic forms of gender discrimination, which is why I took pains in my post to be clear on that. There are countless ways in which society victimizes both men and women. Too many to count, let alone compare. I also agree that gender issues tend to affect both genders, but I disagree that the…
/r/MensRights05/10/15 01:42 AM
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Not might—will. I don't feel it merits its own bullet point, but I will definitely add it to the section on Child Support.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 12:54 AM
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Not might—will. I don't feel it merits its own bullet point, but I will definitely add it to the section on Child Support.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 12:53 AM
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Sounds like the issues are connected then, but that really seems to me like yet another way in which biases in family courts contribute to male homelessness, rather than homeless services for men being less available than those for women. I may mention it, but I'm not entirely sure homelessness deserves it's own point here. I do see how it's intimately involved as a secondary issue with a lot of these points though, and I'll be sure to mention that to my friend.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 12:32 AM
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All good point, thank you. Most of those are specific examples of things I think I've already counted, but thank you nonetheless. I will keep this thread on hand when I do my rebuttal, as I'm sure these more specific examples will come in handy then.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 12:24 AM
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Huh. First link. Go figure. Will add that, thank you.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:32 PM
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The article isn't a discussion, and makes no attempt at looking at things from the other side of the aisle. It merely plays at that by giving the semblance of trying to get the other side by the author. But that's not what the author did—she simply engaged these guys in conversation to see how they'd react. Her real motivation, I think is pretty clear: it was to "hold [these guys'] feet to the fire," so to speak, and deliberately try to call them on their bullshit. Not an unworthy endeavor at al…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:30 PM
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Sources? Not personally aware of these issues as established forms of systemic discrimination. There is some discussion about physical standards for physically-demanding jobs, particularly in the military, but to my knowledge it hasn't risen to the level of systemic discrimination yet.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:17 PM
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I'm sure our discussion will get to the "root causes" of sexism, and thankfully the friend in question isn't a feminist (she actually despises the word), so I'm not too worried about having to rebut patriarchy arguments. Male disposability is a cultural phenomenon; it has institutionalized manifestations (which I believe I've listed), but the overall attitude is still just a cultural idea. Women being more emotional is another. They both have societal impact and contribute to systematic forms of…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:15 PM
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The official discrepancies in men's vs. women's organizations in government is a good point, and I'll be sure to add that.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:05 PM
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I had thought about veteran's benefits as an issue, but it's another one in which the real problem seems to be that veterans are being discriminated against, and it just so happens to be that most of them are male. If there's substantial evidence that male veterans are treated worse than female veterans, however, I'd certainly be interested in that.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:04 PM
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Yes, I'm very aware of this, thanks. The problem is that there are just as many examples of how women are portrayed negatively (or objectified, etc) in the media. The reason I stayed away from that is because, while there is some institutionalized stuff behind it, the media is really just out there to make money by playing to societal norms, and they do it to everybody, not just men.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:02 PM
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That's an excellent list, and thank you for the response, but a lot of those issues are very specific, and I feel could be folded into some of the issues I've already got. I'm trying to keep the list to relatively general issues, as the myriad specific manifestations of those issues would only serve to make reading cumbersome. I will definitely keep your examples in mind though, as they may very well come in handy during the rebuttal. EDIT: Your point about there being far more women's vs. men's…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 10:56 PM
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Definitely both issues that disproportionately affect men vs. women, but I'm not aware of any institutional biases with regards to either. There are plenty of men-only homeless shelters out there, and suicide hotlines certainly cater to men. The only thing I can think of is that neither of these issues are talked about as issues that disproportionately affect men, whereas there are plenty of issues that actually affect both sexes that are only talked about as women's issues.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 10:54 PM
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Oh, I'm sure I will. I talk to anyone who will listen about these issues, but the truth of the matter is that I'm not an activist, and there's only so much conversation about this stuff my friends and family can stomach, being that they're not as passionate about it as I am. Still, I wouldn't have bothered to write all this out if I didn't think I'd eventually be giving it to more than just my one friend.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 10:13 PM
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People are getting all scared about this supposedly upcoming ban, but as far as I know, the U.N. has no actually ability to ban anything on the internet. Secondly, if they do start banning all talk of men's issues in general, that will only give us more ammunition. People aren't categorically stupid overall—in the long haul and on the aggregate, we tend to recognize major forms of injustice when we see it. There are a whole host of arguments for why we fail to act when we see it, but if there wa…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 10:11 PM
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This. The research around this issue does not document a substantial (which is different from being statistically significant) difference in immunology rates between men and women. This is akin to feminists making the argument that women deserve more sick days, because their greater proximity to small children as a gender puts them at greater risk of contracting illnesses. You might be able to find statistical evidence to back that claim up, but it's just not major enough to warrant differential…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 10:08 PM
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Noted. Thanks for the link. Always love more stuff from Karen.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 09:46 PM
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My friend knows that and is entirely against it as a practice. There's no need to preach to her about it.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 08:56 PM
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Ah, yes, I had thought about including that, but forgot to mention in my post that, like the circumcision issue, we agree entirely on it. Will update that.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 08:46 PM
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I don't think it's "grossly" misrepresenting the article—the article itself says he was falsely accused. And as I said, while you are technically right, and I appreciate that you're trying to play the devil's advocate in a sub that has a clear bias on this issue, I think this isn't the best example to use. The likelihood IMO that the allegation was true is fairly low, based on the information available. Yes, more information might change my mind on that, but I don't think the judgment that the a…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 08:37 PM
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I don't really have any issue with this. This is judicial/legislative activism, done to point out the fact that our society is placing undue restrictions on women getting access to contraceptives and abortion. The analogy to the examples they're providing for men is far from perfect, but that's not really the point, and I get that. I think people here ought to recognize an instance of "sarcastic" activism, and not confuse it with a sincere belief that men's reproductive services need to be regul…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 08:17 PM
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Four years of marriage and no children entitled her to 20k/month? How the fuck did that fucking work? Alimony laws are draconian and sexist. They need to be abolished.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 05:30 PM
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You're right, it doesn't say why the victim dropped the charge, but that doesn't mean he did it either. Which is more likely: he did it, she had the guts to charge him, and then drops the charges for some reason (perhaps she didn't want to put herself through the trial) OR that he didn't do it, and she charged him over something she eventually realized was a misunderstanding or simply felt guilty about making the entire thing up for revenge? I realize there are many more than just two possibilit…
/r/MensRights04/10/15 05:13 PM
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I'm not entirely sure they should. Don't get me wrong, I do think false accusers should be punished, but I also agree that you can't really do that without creating a real and dangerous disincentive for actual rape victims to come forward. The real problem, in my view, is the way the justice system handles rape accusations to begin with (Tyler Kost is an excellent example). If we acknowledge that false accusations are a problem, then we have to stop convicting accused rapists on circumstantial e…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 10:35 PM
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If it turns out this kid is innocent, he is going to be rich as fuck when he sues the State. Honestly though, I'd be more interested to know what the State does with the girls who tried to frame him. Assuming, of course, he is actually innocent.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 05:45 AM
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Columbia didn't agree with her though. This is just them playing whatever cards they need to legally to escape having to fork over tons in a civil suit.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 12:42 AM
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I'm hesitant to ask you to flesh out your point, because I'm sure it will involve a wall of text, but I still disagree with most of what you've said there, particularly your characterization of my argument. Domestic violence is an extensively studied phenomenon, and occurs just as frequently in families where paternity is known. Sure, if paternity is uncertain, that could make it worse, but that's a far cry from saying it's the primary cause.
/r/MensRights26/09/15 04:11 PM
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While I do support the philosophy in some respects, I don't think of this particularly as a men's issue.
/r/MensRights26/09/15 03:06 PM
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I believe the problem is that, if the mother doesn't want that to happen, is is difficult in some areas. France recently passed legislation that officially denied fathers the right to certainty about their parentage, even as it continues to demand they be financially responsible for any offspring they're accused of siring. Basically, in France, whoever the mother says is the father is on the line for child support, even if he's not actually the father and everyone knows it.
/r/MensRights26/09/15 02:58 PM
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This is one of those theoretically sound, but unlikely true in practice arguments from Evo. Psych. We do certainly see it play out in other species, but human decision-making behind domestic abuse is far more complicated. Current research suggests DV has much more to do with behavior modeling and poor emotion regulation as consequences of childhood abuse for the parents. While these topics may be linked in some ways, I don't think paternity uncertainty is the primary cause of DV in humans, nowhe…
/r/MensRights26/09/15 02:56 PM
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This. I realize conservatives are more supportive of this movement than liberals, but I feel slightly nauseous having her in our corner.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 09:56 PM
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It's not lack of knowledge, it's lack of will. The people who could change these policies are aware they're out of date, they just feel they have more important things to do. There's no political pressure to do it, and what makes political pressure is mainly hordes of people and media pressure, not activists. Activists just get the ball rolling. What would do more to apply pressure would be hordes of men making noise online (like on this sub). Men's issues are slowly getting more attention thoug…
/r/MensRights25/09/15 09:23 PM
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I see your point about demanding action on the issue, but I don't really see them as being truly mutually exclusive in practice. More male teachers would still be a good thing, even if the problem of false accusations continued.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 09:19 PM
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I'm not entirely sure that's the problem. I know several female teachers and they don't give me that impression of the educational fields at all. I'm sure there are some teachers like that, but I doubt it's a pandemic in the school system.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 09:29 PM
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It never says she attacked him though.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 03:42 AM
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Totally agree with your comment, but just thought I'd point out... First, the article does not indicate there was an attempted sexual assault. It says "she woke him up to have sex". This could easily mean she prodded him awake and proposed sex, not that started having sex with him, and he woke after. If she didn't initiate a sexual act without his consent, there is no rape. Sounds like she just got angry. ...getting angry in response to a refusal for sex is applying social pressure to manipulate…
/r/MensRights24/09/15 03:42 AM
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I don't really see all of what you describe happening in that video. The girls definitely go at him with objects while he fights back bare-fisted, but I don't really see the key strike or the knife stab. I agree with everything else you said.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 09:39 PM
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Putting more male teachers in schools would still help solve both those problems. I get that the influences are bi-directional, but I'm not understanding why people don't think more male teachers is a good thing.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 09:29 PM
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Psychologists don't tend to be activists like feminist researchers are. They do the research for the sake of learning and publishing, and leave policy changes to activists. Should the APA have spoken up after it knew better than Duluth? Probably, but that's not their purview. Point is, psychologists do know Duluth is outdated; it's lawmakers and politicians that do not.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 09:08 PM
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It'd still be major progress, and with more male teachers at risk of false accusations in school, schools might actually do something about it. There's absolutely no negative to striving for a 50/50 teacher split.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 09:03 PM
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Uh, low numbers of male teachers is one of the root problems. If we had equal numbers of male and female teachers, boys probably wouldn't be suffering academically the way they are, which would put them in better positions career-wise, which would keep more of them out of prison and (possibly) lead them to make smarter choices about sex, resulting in less men paying child support. The teacher imbalance ratio affects us during our most critical years—almost every problem later in life can potenti…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 06:20 PM
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Because law enforcement and the judiciary haven't kept up with DV research the way psychologists have. Despite what some here think of it, academia is a pretty open environment and allows for exploration of ideas. Law enforcement...not so much. Judicial and LE policies with respect to DV have seriously lagged behind the research, probably because the non-feminist psychologists and social scientists doing it don't have an agenda to see their theories enacted into law the way feminists do. That's …
/r/MensRights23/09/15 06:16 PM
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I consider NOW a feminist group.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 12:32 PM
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I don't actually see any discrimination here. People didn't react immediately when he jumped into the fray. They reacted when shit started breaking. If anything, this is a case of inanimate object privilege. /s I did thoroughly enjoy watching that guy kick those bullies' asses though. On a more serious note, this does highlight the issue of men being a good deal stronger than most women, and our natural advantage in a physical fight. Too often, DV incidents involve a woman initiating a physical …
/r/MensRights23/09/15 08:09 AM
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I wasn't trying to dis evolutionary psychology. My feelings about it are mixed and typically dependent on the argument being made and the evidence for it. I simply used it as an example, because it is a hotly contested area of psychological research.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 07:47 AM
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Here's an idea: how's about you just have a fucking Diversity Conference and make it about all issues of diversity, rather than build these special interest committees that just end up making the problem worse.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 07:18 AM
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As far as I know prosecutors have never had trouble charging 20 year old men with rape before. Maybe it's just a temporary thing and they'll end up charging her anyway, and I shouldn't judge this early, but it's still kind of weird that they even have to think about it. I'm guessing it's because they're trying to discern whether or not she was manipulated, pressured, or forced into participating by the older people involved. Not something they'd be bothering with if she was male, probably. I'm m…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 07:12 AM
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Haven't read the book, but Phil Zimbardo was always someone I had very mixed feelings about. This is the guy who did the famous Stanford Prison Experiment, which he had to cut short, because it was actually traumatizing the participants. Then he claimed credit when it prompted reforms on IRBs. They guy is smart, but a tad too narcissistic for my tastes.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 07:06 AM
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Came here to say this. You said it better. Have an upvote.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 07:02 AM
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Women will happily tell you "I'm not one of those feminists" while picking your pocket and watching you fight for her honor with a grin on her face. And people say misogyny doesn't exist here. Seriously, dude, get the fuck back over to TRP.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 06:57 AM
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Any word on feminist groups opposing this bill? It's a step in the right direction. Personally, I see no further need for alimony in this day and age, although I suppose I could see the argument that past alimony decisions not be reversed (only because 70+year-old women really shouldn't have their only means of support taken from them at this point in their lives). New cases though? No reason for it. Women are perfectly capable of working these days, and they should have to just as men do. Being…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 06:47 AM
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"(Women and girls) are an extremely vulnerable and disadvantaged group, and tend to be victims of crime and abuse themselves," said Dr Jessica Jacobson, co-director of the institute, which is part of Birkbeck College. And men aren't? Fucking sexist bitch.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 06:12 AM
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"The group maintains that Lee’s bill would strip judges of their discretion in awarding alimony, which would disproportionately hurt women." Oh, okay, so you're wary about the law's likelihood of negatively impacting women, but... "We oppose the bill because the proposed 50-50 split for child custody, while it sounds nice and fair to both parents, is too inflexible and not always in the best interest of the children...Sometimes, though, one parent is just better at parenting than the other, or o…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 05:53 AM
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Feminist researchers are peppered throughout social science and psychology departments, but having worked briefly in both of those fields, I can tell you that the non-feminist researchers always read their work with a grain of salt. They look for what is potentially accurate and incorporate it into their work, while leaving the feminist theory and propaganda behind. This is why the Duluth model is considered outdated in real DV research, and patriarchy theory is even less popular than evolutiona…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 03:08 AM
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“think they are the first people to discover rape, and the problem of consent, and they are not.” THIS!!! The problem with the campus rape hysteria is that they have completely redefined what rape and sexual assault are in absurd ways. No one has a problem with combating actual rape and sexual assault, but defining any sexual act that doesn't get an immediate affirmative as a sex crime is insanity. There was a time when feminists were on the right side of this issue; it's pathetic to see them im…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 01:48 AM
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Based on a careful re-reading of the article, I think this might be a case of a journalist simply reporting on the findings of a specific research study and elaborating on it with additional content. In other words, the researchers are really the problem. Glad to hear they're calling for more male teachers though, even if they're only doing it for half of the right reasons. Still, the leaving-out of boys in this consideration is so painfully obvious it's nauseating. Gynocentrism truly is a thing…
/r/MensRights23/09/15 01:41 AM
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Agreed. The Bureau's definition is complete garbage, and it's what is fueling this whole rape hysteria. When is the CDC going to get the message that people don't consider a lot this stuff rape or sexual assault? I'd really like someone better versed in this topic than me to sit down in a room with the CDC researchers and explain to them how socially irresponsible they're being.
/r/MensRights22/09/15 10:54 PM
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Oh, I know not all feminists are radical feminists and genuinely do want equality—it's just that I only ever see them making substantial pushes on women's issues, not men's. This was my point about actions being a better guide to people's beliefs than their words. I certainly do believe most feminists want gender equality, but I think their actions show they're really only concerned with the plight of women. Yes, you do hear the odd feminist talk about men's issues/rights from time to time, but …
/r/MensRights22/09/15 05:43 AM
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How do you reconcile the idea that feminism is about men and women being equal with its track record? I realize most feminists feel that this is what feminism is about, but while I hear them say that a lot, I only ever see them fight for women, and they tend to stand in the way of anyone who even claims men need fighting for. When someone says they believe something, but their actions aren't in line with that belief, I tend to think they're being disingenuous. There are tons of major issues of i…
/r/MensRights22/09/15 05:05 AM
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I realize you may not want a legal battle for yourself personally, and that's completely fine—you should do what you feel is right for you—but I think a lot of people here are hoping you'll pursue legal action, because we need more men reporting this sort of thing to the authorities if we're ever going to get any justice for the problem (female-on-male DV) overall. What she did is not okay, and she deserves to have the book thrown at her. Furthermore, if you don't report it, she'll likely just f…
/r/MensRights21/09/15 05:09 PM
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When the fuck is the media going to start connecting the dots for the public and calling these decisions what they are: symptoms of anti-male bias in the Justice system? It's always just an isolated incident when they report it—an unfortunate miscarriage of justice—not a sexist trend in society.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 04:36 PM
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The fact that systematic subversion/discrimination can occur without a truly willful mindset backing it is one of the central discoveries of the civil rights era overall. Ignorance to the situations and suffering of others is all that's required to make a person an unintentional obstacle to progress on those issues. Every time you hear a feminist assert that men have no issues and need no rights movement, you're listening to someone who is simply ignorant. Then there's willful ignorance, which o…
/r/MensRights21/09/15 02:24 AM
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Their goal is make men suffer and to estrange women from men thus pushing back heterosexuality. I actually think that's a rather crude interpretation. The truth is far more subtle. To be sure, radical feminists (the "official" radfems, the branch of feminism that adopted/reappropriated the label) do see sexual orientation as a societal construct, and therefore heterosexuality as a bully-like, domineering sexual convention, but even they get flak for that among other feminists. It's not just the …
/r/MensRights19/09/15 04:53 PM
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A good look at what affirmative consent could lead to. Supporters of it argue that false convictions aren't a big problem and that constitutional protections of due process don't apply, because the convictions aren't criminal and the convicted doesn't go to jail. At the same time, some of the legislators who drafted the two existing laws have said that they would ultimately like to see this implemented in criminal cases. So the real motivation becomes pretty transparent: supporters of affirmativ…
/r/MensRights19/09/15 04:04 PM
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"This disparity in our treatment of sexism might seem unfair, but I think women have far more of a right to object to sexist behaviours than men. Why? Because we have suffered for them infinitely longer than our male counterparts." Um...no, you haven't—our mothers just had it worse than you guys did. Stop taking credit for the much harsher suffering of your forebears, you conceited bitch.
/r/MensRights18/09/15 03:30 AM
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It's not a backlash; it's simply the product of decades of feminists blaming men for everything bad that happens to women. They've successfully changed societal gender attitudes in a way that demonizes men in many ways. This is just more of the same. Personally, I think it's feminism that's experiencing the backlash. Affirmative consent is being torn apart, and this whole effort is ironically drawing attention to false accusations, getting people to realize they're nowhere near as uncommon as fe…
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:08 AM
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I've seen plenty of both kinds (valid concerns/responses and overreactions/witch hunts). The main problem seems to be that some CPS workers can't seem to discern gradations of severity between types/instances of abuse, and lump parents who commit minor infractions in with child molesters and extreme abusers. Some workers seem to get that the parents are people too and likely have their own problems (and often abuse histories), while some just demonize them and appear to be on an emotion-driven c…
/r/MensRights17/09/15 01:44 AM
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CPS cases are really hit-or-miss in my experience. Sometimes you get good social workers who understand that removing children from their parents' care is the last resort, and mainly just try to help both the kids and their parents coexist in a healthy way; then, sometimes you get agenda-driven, fanatical White Knight social workers who think every case involves a child being tormented by a demon-parent. Personally, I think there is FAR too little oversight of foster parents. A lot of them speci…
/r/MensRights17/09/15 12:26 AM
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She claims she was raped and clearly knows the identity of her rapist. By making the claim in her book, but not actually pursuing legal action, she is setting a stunningly bad example for other rape victims, essentially saying to them, "don't try to get justice; use your story to gain sympathy later on—if you get justice, you won't get any of that sweet, sweet sympathy." This woman is, ironically, a horrible role model for other women.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 10:35 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with using a person's past criminal record to make judgments about likelihood of recidivism and to adjust sentencing accordingly. Using demographic variables like race, gender, age, etc, however, is just about as unconstitutional as you can get.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 10:15 PM
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I'm hesitant to be too optimistic myself, but I kind of have hopes that affirmative consent may actually have a pretty short lifespan. Mainstream media is already covering criticism of it pretty fairly, and the more cases like this pop up, the more people are going to realize it won't work as a solution to the problem. Furthermore, the recent string of high-profile rape cases falling apart has, I think, raised the general level of awareness about false accusations; even though they're still too …
/r/MensRights16/09/15 05:52 AM
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I hope that woman never gets work in journalism again. I hope Rolling Stone retains her out of a sense of guilt, their editors knowing they allowed her to torpedo her own career, while they escaped largely unharmed. This was a national embarrassment, and Rolling Stone and Ederly deserve all the bad press they get.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 01:53 AM
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So glad to keep seeing these sorts of cases being overturned. Nice to see not all sectors of society are drinking the affirmative consent Kool Aid.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 01:34 AM
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You don't get it. I didn't even bother to click on your link. I don't care what your argument is. The fact that you chose to be a prick while making your point is the reason I'm choosing not to respond. When you learn that manners and respect matter in civil discussion, try me again and you may get a different response. Until then, kindly go fuck yourself.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 12:11 AM
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Or I could just not waste my time with someone so rude as you. I think I like that option better.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 04:30 PM
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She's getting press right now precisely because she made some incredibly offensive comments—newspapers eat that shit up like its candy. And if you doubt that most feminists strongly disagree with her, go talk to some feminists about those comments. Yes, there are plenty of man-hating feminists out there, just as there are some MRAs who—despite what they say—really do evince an antipathy towards women, but the majority of them (just like the majority of MRAs) are actually fair-minded people who d…
/r/MensRights15/09/15 12:39 PM
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Attempts to stop people from being naughty failing is just about the most consistent historical trend in existence.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 02:20 AM
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Julie Bindel is a nut job. Most feminists think she's crazy too. Don't pay her too much mind. Nobody else does.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 02:02 AM
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