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This is a meta article. Look at the articles source studies to see why the gap is that wide. Highly reliable studies, but they seem to each approach the questions differently. Discretion is advised.
/r/MensRights08/01/17 03:36 AM
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I don't want to suggest any bias. But I do believe there is a bias that has not been identified, which should be investigated to understand this trend.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 04:16 PM
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"Lesbian women were more likely than gay men to report having been in an abusive same-sex relationship (41% and 28% respectively)" Referenced by ARCHS (Leonard et al., 2008) "25% of respondents had experienced sexual assault within a same-sex intimate relationship (with women-identifying and trans respondents more likely to experience sexual assault)" (Pitts, Smith, Mitchell, & Patel, 2006)
/r/MensRights07/01/17 04:14 PM
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I do want to research these independently, but there are many more cans of worms to be opened for people to learn. I would like to teach people research skills above all else. I.E. don't just look at my links, look at the studies my links reference. Though I am no expert.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 04:10 PM
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Unfortunately, we stand for facts and not anecdote. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but "Everyone who is capable of thinking about the subject matter knows" is not a legitimate sourced study. The linked article is, and supports this idea, however, we should remain on the factual side of the argument.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 04:08 PM
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Do you realize that study account verbal and domestic violence in that statement? "lesbian women were more likely than gay men to report having been in an abusive same-sex relationship (41% and 28% respectively)" "78% of the abuse was psychological and 58% involved physical abuse" "26% of respondents had experienced sexual assault within a same-sex relationship (Leonard et al., 2008)" The adjusted rate of physical domestic violence in fact resembles a halving. I think this all comes down to you …
/r/MensRights07/01/17 04:03 PM
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They never said that. The statement was literally "Lesbian Relationships have a domestic violence rate of 43%, vs 22% of the general population and 21% of gay relationships"... There was no attempt to demonize a group.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:58 PM
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I don't know what's wrong with him.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:57 PM
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Have you actually read any of the sources? "Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12)" Double 22 is 44, not 50...
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:54 PM
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I am the OP. That is... exactly what it claims.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:48 PM
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"Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12)" https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml "lesbian women were more likely than gay men to report [claim to have been, not that they are not reporting abuse] having been in an abusive same-sex relationship (41% and 28% respectively)" Leonard et al., 2008 No, they don't. They ask about homo abuse, not all previous abuse.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:40 PM
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These studies are not set to prove what is causing this trend. If you are looking for why, more studies will have to be sourced. These studies are determining that a bias exists, not what the bias is. It can be said that unicorns exist. Once again, if a sourced study exists, it may provide insight, but these studies do not promote or negate this bias. It might include these, however, we cannot say it does at this point. It must be an assumption we make or do not make, but an assumption none the …
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:30 PM
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"lesbian women were more likely than gay men to report having been in an abusive same-sex relationship (41% and 28% respectively)" "25% of respondents had experienced sexual assault within a same-sex intimate relationship (with women-identifying and trans respondents more likely to experience sexual assault)" (Pitts, Smith, Mitchell, & Patel, 2006) "Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12)" (Waldner-Haugrud, Lisa K., & Vaden Gratch, Linda. (1997). Sexual co…
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:26 PM
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Unfortunately only 1 source, http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/ (Or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3058822/ this study), contains legible study. However, this study does support this idea, and I would dare to say that this is enough to assert the instigator bias towards the female partner.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:20 PM
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This fallacy falls to an anecdote "Woman are more willing to talk out, while men will keep quiet". While this may feel true, without stats, this is an assumption. By the same logic, I may as well say "Women are more likely to attack because they do not expect retaliation". Words are empty without study. Of course, this does not make this anecdote incorrect, we simply cannot make any assumptions without findings. If you can source, we can attempt to adjust for the data.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:15 PM
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Also, https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml directly refers to lesbian domestic violence, not a broader general relationship abuse. "Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12)"
/r/MensRights07/01/17 03:04 PM
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This is a red herring. You should expect the statistic trend to continue if there were no other influences on the data. These don't count 'double abuses', but how many people had experienced it. If hetero and homo relationships were comparable, you would still expect a 22% rate, as there should be no change in the trend. This data shows that something (I dare not say what, only that an influence) is acting upon the data. What, is up for debate.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 02:58 PM
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Straight vs Heterosexual rip this is a serious issue sorry everyone for fucking it up. Meant to say gay.
/r/MensRights07/01/17 08:59 AM
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