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Rant/VentingEpicureanist/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:00 PM
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Epicureanist/r/seduction29/07/12 06:53 PM
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DiscussionEpicureanist/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 09:37 PM
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Question for WomenEpicureanist/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 06:26 PM
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Epicureanist/r/trpGAME29/05/14 02:02 AM
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In a situation where the woman is straight out rude. I'd stay in the set, continue pushing until I get a clear rejection. most That's the point. You don't need most hot chicks or most women in general. 1 yes can lead to months of pleasure.
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Everyone's got to change the OP to suit their situation. Been in what kind of situation? I'm sure many of the women I've approached have thought I had a few screws lose or something. I'm a short bald man. My success really comes from consistency and confidence. I'm at the point where I view life as a game and I genuinely believe anything can happen. I've essentially mentally deluded. If a girl says "I have a boyfriend or I'm not dating right now," I'll still assume she's interested and is just t…
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the potential benefits are amazing though.
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The Jokers beats and drugs his girlfriend. You're giving women less free will than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 11:34 PM
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And none of that would surprise me either. There are people of all sorts. Roll a dice 6 billion times and millions of possibilities will occur no matter how unlikely. Go in the deep web and I have little doubt you can find communities of people who enjoy scarring themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 11:33 PM
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No I'm not. The smallpox bit wouldn't surprise me. People are different; different desires, fears, interests, etc. That's all there is too it. Personally? I'm not worried about dying, but I am worried about disability. That's why when I ride my motorcycle I don't wear a helmet. If I get into an accident I rather die than be disabled. Similarly, there's a history of alzheimer's in my family. If I start to develop it, I'll take a shotgun to my face. I'm happy with my life and I make sure to live t…
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I'm not. I just think of my idiosyncrasies and I imagine what would happen if they were different. There're several thinks that could lead a person to not desire intimacy. There are people who don't desire sex; asexuals. Would you consider them to be damaged? What if someone just didn't need emotional intimacy. Believing that genuine emotional intimacy is not possible. Meditation. Less attachment to the world, possessions, etc. = less need for things like sex or emotional intimacy.
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So why exactly do you call men men who sexzone women sociopaths? Here is what I see from your posts: Man who sleeps with a woman, hints at a relationship, but doesn't create one = sociopath. Woman who befriends a man, gets attention from him, hints at a relationship, but doesn't create one = non-sociopath Men who orbit women do so of their own volition and they need to change. "I always tell guys to leave the friendzone." Women who sexorbit men are being abused by sociopaths.
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Do you also call the women who friendzone these men sociopaths?
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Condemning a victim's judgment does no good to the victim because they were already victimized. It does some good (>0%) to people who hear the condemnation.
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Fear mongering What fear mongering are you talking about? The media actually did all it could to hide it. This is not just in Cologne too is it? I'll gladly take in a few rotten apples to help a huge amount of people gain a better life. You're saying that because it probably won't be you or your loved ones who are harmed by those bad apples. That said, we could (and should) be harder to those that commit crimes. You commit a crime, you are out immediately if you ask me. And mine is opposite. We …
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Why do feelings and emotions matter so much? Does it feel tangible to you? Or is that not how you judge things. Give me some insight into the mind of a woman.
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I'm emotionally invested in a lot of people without sex. Call me a cynic, but this always sounds like bullshit to me. I don't know you, so I'm not going to deny your experience. I don't even think you're lying.. I'd just like to comment on the differences between us. From my perspective, actions are everything. Emotional investment without sex, or visible attraction is absolutely worthless. Peoples words and thoughts in one situation are often different from their feelings and actions in another…
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How is it obvious? Name something that seperates or identifies a redpiller. How would you identify one?
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Then I really need to stop responding. I think she's one of the few posters on here who actually fits the definition of misandry. dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e., the male sex).
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Why do you give poor people so much credit, but not incels? Why is it that instead of simply assuming they're lazy and entitled, you factor in their childhood and lack of education? Judging from your comments about incels, you shouldn't believe in the idea of an poor person who wants to find a job, but cannot find a work. Such an idea is complete bullshit. That person is just applying to really good jobs. And they deserve nothing, but contempt ("whiny boys", "wallow in their self-inflicted pain,…
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Why not? Wouldn't you say, poor people only apply for wealthy jobs? Wouldn't you say that poor people believe that just because they're people they should have money and good jobs? You should believe poor people are lazy and entitled. And that's all there is to poverty. There are no nuanced views. There are almost no cases of bad childhoods/backgrounds, lack of education or resources, and bad teaching leading to poverty. It's all self-imposed. Just like incelibacy.
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The problem is people are stupid and unwilling to take responsibility. When some dumb ass works for 30 years and doesn't save up anything to retire, he'll get on a soapbox, complain, and require the government to take peoples money, and "protect" them. I wish we can achieve that one day but with the direction that we're heading, we're well on our path of becoming a second Europe (sigh). It's funny; almost all of our problems result from regulation and laws, yet the solution is always more laws a…
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What benefits do you speak of? What do you mean bringing good quality healthcare to my country? Socialized healthcare just makes things more available; I've never heart of it improving healthcare quality. The end result of socialized medicine is increased use of health services by the population, longer waiting periods, rationing (life threatening vs. non-life threatening), etc. What system do you propose works better? Free market is the best market. If I was presidente por vida I would: elimina…
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No we don't. We need many things; less military spending, the elimination of social security, and less regulation. But not socialized medicine. It means you pay less down the line when you take a visit for urgent issues. That depends on employment length and whether or not they'll still be with me when they're older and need more care.
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One of them is being harmed. And how is that happening? In our scenario, the woman being treated like an object has a fun interaction with the man, likes him, and plans on seeing him later. Is the man beating her? Is he yelling or berating her? Where is the harm occurring? When someone is not treated like a human, they are being robbed of their humanity, which is intrinsically detrimental. This is another meaningless term. There are 4 types of humans; men, women, boys, and girls. Each of these g…
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think like an adult My point is that there is no way to define thinking like an adult without excluding a non-negligible (5% or more) of adults. This is meaningless phrase. Barring any sort of disability, they have the brains of an adult, and therefor the capacity to think like an adult. What exactly does this mean? In actionable terms. If an adult takes a test on logic, culture, etc. and scores lower than your brother I'm not sure where the capacity to think like an adult fits in. Are you sayin…
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People's misinterpretation doesn't matter. The posts and message are for TRP, not people.
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There is no confusion amongst Redpillers the primary audience of posts on The Redpill. There are various interpretations, but no one is thinks that post means that women should be locked or have their lives rigidly controlled. Only people who interpret it that way, fall outside of the intended audience; non-redpillers.
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There's no good reason to add it. He is not trying to fuck men. TRP is not trying to game men. Men dont pedestalize men. Let me put it clearly, we mostly care about women.
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For me, whether it's justified or not doesn't matter. I have a strong desire and I will fulfill it. It's that simple. I don't believe in rape or violence; women need to actually be attracted to me and consent to have sex. But, I don't care about portraying women in a "moral" or "appropriate" manner. Without a male sex drive and perspective, you'll never really get much of why TRP or manosphere exist. I'll simply say this: men want sex, sex is not easy or straightforward to get (for men), changin…
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morally treating someone like a child Unless you think children are treated horribly, then it doesn't need to be justified. As I said above, people who are treated like children would not know nor be able to differentiate a red piller from a social and lighthearted person. justify "sexual strategy is amoral" This is quote that's been discussed numerous times on the subreddit. Google it if you're interesting. Our goal is not to be moral; it's to meet our goals; achieving a certain outcome. That's…
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No. The point is that you cannot infer my thoughts about women (children or adults) from a conversation. You would never know the difference. I'd much rather have a horrible unpleasant conversation with someone who treated me like an adult than a wonderful one with someone who treated me like a child. How would you know the difference? Refer back to the description I gave of treating someone like a child: Don't expect them to be responsible or keep their promises Expect their emotions to change …
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You already mentioned that. This is the post I was talking about: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3qyea5/what_does_redpill_think_about_this_study/cwjx795
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/r/TheRedPill02/11/15 12:14 AM
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That's not really the same thing as saying AWALT. It's almost exactly the same. Do you think we seriously believe, every woman on this earth is the same? What makes your inherent message any more correct than theirs? I haven't presented a message. It's just that hating women is not a thread or post. There's no discussions about how best to hate women. It's a possible result of other redpill discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 11:07 PM
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the hyperbole in many RP posts often makes them completely meaningless. Not to the intended audience! But then I also argue with TRpers who believe for example " all women are shit" word for fucking word. And they're free to think that. That's not an inherent message. It may be a conclusion they've reached from the red pill, but not an inherent message. So not only am I confused, I'd wager some trpers are confused as well. And it makes it even harder to decode what trp is saying. Confused about …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 10:55 PM
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It depends on the rant. From my perspective it's not a rant; it's a poster talking about something that is never talked about in society and would be extremely inappropriate to mention. The closest examples are comedians; people are drunk, the comedian is funny, so it's not a problem to talk about it. But, everyone knows there is a hint of truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gGKkF6bBw It's a place where that can happen, but that's not the goal. Posts don't have to be hyperbolic to be meanin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 10:43 PM
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Simply because a lot of trpers are arguing with me that TRP is some bastion of free speech instead of an archive which is carefully cultivated to create/ allow certain content. I'll 100% agree with that. If someone made a post saying: "I'm BP, here's how I live in an open relationship" it would be removed. No one denies that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 10:33 PM
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/u/Xemnas81 , /u/belletaco , /u/planejane , and everyone else. Well, I just made a room: http://voicechatapi.com/pr2pkz2r2/# .Rooms last for 24h.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 10:32 PM
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meaning of hate Strong dislike or hostility toward. Dislike =/= hostility. Someone can dislike me and leave me alone. Whereas someone can act hostile and threatening. That's not exactly a clear definition. Moreover, people will read his work and use that ideal to treat single mothers worse. Worse in what sense? Will they yell at single mothers? Will they berate single mothers? They'll frown and walk away. How is that hateful treatment? How will someone who reads this post act towards single moth…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 10:27 PM
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How is that hateful? He's not advocating that people insult or harass these women. He's saying to avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 09:56 PM
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He hates women who happen to be single mothers. So why make the distinction between widows and non-widows? To me, the main message: is avoid single mothers, they're bad relationship prospects, they harm their children, and they're bad for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 09:46 PM
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I most certainly want grandchildren. That's not for you to decide Pops! Have any other RP/traditional parents had any similar ideas regarding their children? Give him the tools to succeed at whatever it is he wants to do or achieve in life. Lots of books when he's younger Sign him up for sports and clubs Start teaching him pre-algebra when he starts 6th grade. Weightlifting when he turns 15 If he wants to do STEM, he's be comfortable with math. If it's liberal arts, he's have decent vocabulary a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 09:15 PM
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When this man gave speeches he had a goal and he wanted people to feel and act in a certain way. Feel angry at jews, do certain things to jews, etc. What is his intent? What does he want readers to do? What does he want them to feel? Look at passages like this: So as far as I'm concerned widows are cool it's not their fault the dad died, they're not making bad decisions but shit happens. They subtly provide the full picture. Single mothers do badly, but that has more to do with He could be 100% …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 09:07 PM
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If we're going to talk we need to focus on one subject. You said TRP was hateful. I asked for an example. You mentioned the single mothers post. I asked for your intepretation of the intent. And now here we are. This is your thread so I'll let you choose. Pick a topic and let's discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 09:01 PM
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especially when it brings such a bad view of their movement. There is no goal to increase the amount subscribers. without a goal, who cares what people think about the subreddit? I've said it many times, but there is no movement. We are not trying to change the world around us. We are trying to find the best ways to meet our goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:58 PM
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Don't you think covering the legal assault/rape thing naturally includes a social element? Insofar as how judges behave and how the asses assault and rape cases. You can't tell someone not to assault someone until you teach them what assault is. And to do that you have to draw a box around the definition of healthy sexual interactions. No I don't. I just have to report how judges act, how courts function, and how assault is viewed. Their own views are their own. My job is to tell them what the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:46 PM
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If you don't care about what I have to say, why are you pointing out flaws in my argument? Where did I say I don't care about what you say? I said: I don't care about whether or not you believe me. I'm not exaggerating when I say I'm really apathetic about whether or not I convince anyone of my views. I mostly enjoy debating itself. I'm not a christian trying to "save" people. Why don't you pull the post up and explain to me how the person did not hate single mothers. Because when I read it, yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:43 PM
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It's boring argument. People already have their views on what's right and wrong; laissez-faire. No one wants to see threads about why it's wrong to sleep with a girl in a relationship. The focus really is on what works, what doesn't. There is offtopic discussion, but that's that. If someone comes in and gives their experience sleeping with married women; the discussion should be on efficacy, not on whether he's going to hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:33 PM
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The very point of debating is to convince someone of your opinion or viewpoint. Or to point out flaws in their beliefs. Even when trying to convince someone of views, it's possible to be fairly detached and not care whether or not they belief you. Single mothers are the scum of the earth was just one of your ( by your I mean TRP's)recent posts . Here is where reading comprehension comes in. What was the main message of that post? Was it simply: hate single mothers? TRP points itself as the count…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:28 PM
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But you do. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to convince young guys Where are RPer's trying to convince young guys to join the sub? I think they're way too many posters and too many newbies as is. The sub is losing a lot of its quality. Look at my posting history for the sub. to come to your site and you wouldn't be arguing on PPD? Debating does not me I care about how others view me. But that is the TRP message. I disagree. I don't women, I'm not racist, and I don't care about cares. I don't se…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:14 PM
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Thoughts? Don't make threads unless you have something valuable and unique to say.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/15 08:09 PM
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TRP is for RPers. TRP does not care what others think. There is nothing to be gained from policing thoughts. I (and many posters) value interesting discussion above political correctness. Personally, I don't find it angry. I'm more annoyed by the loss of seriousness, moralizing, newer members joking, and the message being diluted. I think TRP is "softer" than ever. Let me ask you this. Why should the content be controlled? Give me one good reason. edit: Noam Chomsky put it best: "If we don't bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 08:01 PM
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I'll agree progressive would be a better description. Although there is some intersection between progressive and liberalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 06:07 PM
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So RP is about self improvement? It's about the goals of the individual and reaching those goals. This is the broadest definition I can give. Rather than about changing society? There's been quite a few posts and comments with the messages along the lines of: not everyone is ready to be unplugged, don't talk about TRP, take care yourself, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 06:02 PM
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Feminism is neither individualistic nor liberal. They are liberal only in the political sense; not in the meaning of the world. They are not individualistic; they are focused on the interests of women, not on individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 05:55 PM
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Why fix the game, when I can focus on myself and my value? I'm an American in a suburban area, once I finish college, there's a good chance I'm going to get $60k/year (probably more). I have family scattered along the U.S. If I get a job near them, they'll let me live with them for free. Living rent free, I can start out saving $35k/year. As my skills/salary increases this can move up to $50k/year in savings. Do this for a decade and I'll have $300k. At this point I'm skilled and have enough cap…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 05:51 PM
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No. You don't give dating advice in a highschool sex-ed program. Cover purely factual information: Condom usage. STD statistics. Sexual assault/rape laws. Assault and rape statistics. Dating advice and self development, if available in society, would exist in a private organization or club. Consider toastmasters or a boys club.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 04:18 PM
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Whenever someone says anything, there are three things to examine: 1. Their words "I only notice my husband, I pay little attention to other men" 2. Their actions (past and present) Early teens (18-22): where they dating men that looked like their husband? Or where they dating taller and more attractive men. Do their current husbands receive as much sexual attention as their past parntners? 3. The effects of their words "I only notice my husband" = seen as moral, loving, trustworthy, and genuine…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 12:22 AM
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http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.4351 You're not too far off. Regardless of whether finance is a zero sum game, most people act like it is. If someone's cornered the market, they're only going to talk about it when they're retired in Barbados. I'm about 3-4 years away from getting a proper job and starting to invest so I can't even comment on that. I think the best strategy would be a combination of moderate investment, human capital investment, and eventually business creation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 12:06 AM
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The declining population will cause many problems with the economy and social security.. Most definitely. People are buying less new cars and less homes. Which means less bank loans. And ofc lower returns. There is also the issue of healthcare for the boomers. Every year the 401k guy at work tells us how the market has always gained over the past 100 years.. Lol. Was he one of the people that said the housing market would never crash? As far as social security I'll be lucky to collect a dime It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 11:53 PM
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Well your views are consistent and I respect that. i'm also not pushing for 50/50 well where do we draw the line? the underrepresented gender may have more to offer in overall effect. More to offer to whom? And an overall effect in what sense? In medicine; a black doctor isn't going to have better outcomes than a white doctor. Studies have found that the black doctor is more likely to serve poorer and underprivileged people, and he's more likely to research genetic illnesses. I can support small…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 11:29 PM
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Lol. It's testosterone. That's all it is. Testosterone + societal roles; men need money to start a family (expected to provide), women need a vagina (can opt for SAHM).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 11:08 PM
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under-represented gender The problem is that never works both ways. When men are the under represented gender, there is never any quota. Look at teaching, nursing, social work, etc. Would you support campaigns to push men into nursing? Hospitals hiring male nurses 2:1 over females? So that things can eventually be equal (50-50 male/female nurses)?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 11:06 PM
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Inshallah brother inshallah
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:58 PM
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Nothing is certain. "Enjoy the decline". Easy to stay distracted. I have art, sport, food, alcohol, friends, and women. Change is exciting. Even negative changes will bring about interesting results. With being said: Muslims won't conquer anything. We've got better military, better weapons, and more money. Europeans will just see muslim immigration change their culture for worse. Nothing is certain. Humans are conscious; we can see the effects of our behavior and change accordingly. This means t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:51 PM
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Go to central or eastern europe. Loads of guys like him. Not many black women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 09:21 PM
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She looks like a 7 to me. Not ugly, just kind of plain.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:33 PM
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I don't think average means ugly nor do I think you thought that. It's just scales are supposed to be objective. Looks are subjective and it all depends, but when I label a 6 I've gotta look past my preferences. Scales are supposed to be impersonal. Just my 2cents though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:29 PM
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I fixed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:27 PM
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Seriously? If i had to pick a body to live with I'd pick your average guy over the hot guy. Are you just looking at looks? Or are you conflating behavior (leadership of robin)? If that's your version of hot, come down south. I know 3-4 tall guys who look like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:20 PM
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Lol no matter how much people decry the number rating system, it exists because men can usually agree on ratings. Even if we're an attracted to an 8 it's easy to realize that a girl is an 8 and she would garner such attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:12 PM
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Man: Strong 8.5, Soft 9 Moderate 6.5 soft 7 5.5 It's important to distinguish between average looking and what the statistically average person looks like. With increasing obesity, the average woman is now more likely a 5.5. If they lost weight, they'd be at 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:04 PM
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Pool of service men is large enough for the U.S. to find enough people who're gungho to go overseas. The problem with drafts is they affect everyone; specifically non military folk who would usually just ignore the Iraq War. At the time of Iraq there was a fair amount of disagreement Hordes of faceless CIA drones "guaranteeing" their intelligence and few intellectuals speaking iut against it. A draft would've increased the scrutiny. A few large scales protests. Average folk might have at least p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 02:11 PM
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I've got mixed feelings about that. Because the draft existed, I'd support taxes going towards their care. On a personal note, my feelings are the same. Many people, were drafted, ignored the draft, went to prison, and did their time without losing any limbs, hearing, seeing people die, etc. It always surprises me how easily people are willing to essentially be cannon fodder; give up their lives for something as silly as nationalism. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate nationalism. I understand the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 01:55 PM
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That's absolute bullshit. You really think Iraq "let's go find nonexistant WMDs" would have had a successful draft? The willing are not making a sacrifice. Sacrifice implies giving something up. A young 19 year old about go to college who is drafted is giving something up. A 19 year old who signs up for military after the war began wants to go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 01:49 PM
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I don't support nationalized healthcare. Under privatized healthcare they would be charged higher rates that's all. No different from young teenage boys paying more for car insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 01:45 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9PCcx7i4xQ
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 09:15 PM
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Imperialism is not defense. U.S. military budget far exceeds what is required for defense or for Americans to "sleep peaceably in their beds") I'd rather fuck one of those rough men. You're definitely free to that. I just have a problem with those "rough" men calling daddy government for help when they lose their legs. They'll play the game, but as soon as they start losing (disabled, lose a few friends, PTSD, etc.) they'll ask for government resources to help them. I generally think people shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:47 PM
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Here's my politically incorrect views. Call me edgy, naive, whatever, but here's how I see it: that I don't understand civilians. As a civilian I just don't sympathize with or really understand "service" men and their families. If you voluntarily choose to sign up and go to war, then you should deal with the consequences of that actions whatever they may be (PTSD, disability, etc.). Everytime I see an advertisement for disabled veterans or some charity, I can't help but think "you signed up for …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:19 PM
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They're redpillers trying to eliminate competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:19 AM
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Boris, if you're not giving me honest answers I can't give you honest responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 02:06 PM
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I'm not going to ask you to lower your standards. I just need to know what they are before I can offer any advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:47 PM
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Just yesterday I had a couple of women in my speech class complaining about the wage gap for hollywood actors and actresses. If no one says it then how has it become such a big topic? On the comments of every online article about this (Time, NYT, etc.) there's posts by bitching about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:42 PM
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Well first of all what are your limits? What are your conditions for sex? I imagine you won't have sex with a homeless drug addict nor will you sleep with a 70 year old woman. So what are your conditions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:37 PM
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What am I going to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:34 PM
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When people post stats like women make "70 cents on the dollar" without any introspection, they often do think it's that simple. Any moderate analysis, would find that if women had the exact same value (produced as much, worked as many hours, no maternity leave, willing to leave if wage is too low, etc.) there would be no discrepancy in salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:31 PM
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What do you mean would it still work? Do you really think red pillers get women by being hateful, talking about how much we hate women, and "manipulation"? What are the manipulation tactics? What do you consider the top and less damaging manipulation tactics?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:25 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia It's mostly along the older crowds. 65 and over there's 5.8 million men and 13 million women. Before I comment any further, do you want to stop being an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:23 PM
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Ok. Now the question is why do the believe that? Is it pure sexism or is there some truth to it? Consider a simple scenario of workers making guitars in a factory. Men make 7 guitars an hour and ask for $10. Women make 7 guitars and ask for $7. Any smart company that wants to stay competitive, reduce costs, and increase profits is going to hire all women. They would also be able to run a PR campaign and brag about how female friendly they are. So why doesn't this happen today? Are companies too …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:18 PM
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Does she actually believe in "egalitarian" views when it comes to the relationship or does she want dominant men? Have you messed with her? That is subtly questioned or poked fun at her views? (ex. "If women are cheaper why don't companies only hire women").
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:48 PM
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How the hell are you and incel in Russia. Isn't there a shortage of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:35 PM
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There's only one way to find out. Hundreds of approaches and different attempt. That's why I brought up Strauss and Mystery.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:28 AM
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What I'm saying is why would she need male game? She doesn't need it. The only possible benefit would be, a relationship with a better quality man than she otherwise would get from men approaching her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:16 AM
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Come on over, compete with me for a residency, end up in internal medicine, and have a good life! My uncle did just that. High 97 or 98 percentile Step scores, matched into internal medicine, completed a fellowship, and has a decent position. Considering he has no debt whatsoever, his 300k salary is pretty awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:44 AM
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There's no way to know until she goes out and talks to men. What type of game would she employ? Thinking back to the early PUAs of Neil Strauss and Mystery. They basically tried everything until they found something that worked. The problem is women just don't have that motivation. After 100 rejections, the man can go home and jerk off or he can approach again and learn from his mistake. After 100 rejections for a ltr, the woman can sleep with a decent looking guy, start a relationship with an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:04 AM
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When it comes to sex, women can do it too. An average women can approach tall good looking guys, and eventually find a guy willing to sleep with her. Only difference is our average woman will have a harder time moving hookup to relationship than I would. The only perk that men have is we're forced to approach. If I didn't approach, I would not get any women at all; no sex no relationships. The last time I had a girl develop feelings for me without any extra effort on my part was 3-4 years ago du…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:47 PM
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I don't know. Is it better to have a waiter bring foods of variable quality to your room anytime you want. Or is it better to have to go out, a few markets, and haggle with dozens of people for decent food? Ofc in this scenario, when you're in the hotel, you're not too hungry. When you're out haggling, you're pretty thirsty. Women have it better with regards to sex. Ugly woman can readily fuck average guy. Average woman can readily fuck hot guy. But they're not as interested in sex. Men (as a gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:27 PM
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Not at all. Why does it matter whether or not you like if most of the time you won't be going anyway? Seriously. Can you imagine needing to speak to 5 guys before you get a number, getting 6 numbers before a date, 6 dates before sex. Don't get me wrong, I love being able to choose, but it's a hustle. I've had to lose all fear of rejection, get over my insecurities, and put on a mask until it becomes permanent. Maybe it's just my experiences though. I'm bald, 5'7, and black so I imagine the game'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:14 PM
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The interesting question is why does "boyfriend material" not fall into the "objectification" thing that women complain about? Wouldn't "girlfriend material", assuming "boyfriend material" didn't exist, be considered objectification? Dividing women into fucks and relationship worthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:07 PM
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edit 2: Negative. Women have higher standards for casual sex than relationships. Better to be a lover than a husband. Original: Nope. People are not equal. Just like some men have traits that would make them a great sprinter, other men have traits that make them attractive long term partners. Connotation wise, I want to maximize my life in everyway possible. Make as much money as possible, learn as much as possible, etc. Edit: If a girl says I'm boyfriend material, I'm going to mentally flip the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:02 PM
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My point was that there is no universal or fundamental "human" treatment. Everything is broken down into gender and age. Your comments is kind of empty. You can't say "treat them like you would another human" without refuting my claims about the breakdown of humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:41 PM
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Single mothers are horrible people. I say this as the son of a single mother who is more intelligent that most people and worked her way to a decent career. Also that wasn't posted on the r/singlemothers it was posted on trp. I don't see how that's "shitty to other people". I would imagine most people would feel trp is doing single mothers a favor; people who feel that way about them shouldn't try to date them. Right now as we speak, there are posters calling for a racewar or the murders of blac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:37 PM
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Bingo. It's all about the individual and the feelings she has about you. This isn't violin or guitar; there's little technique or "experience" required. The little technique that's required can easily be explained to someone who is eager and willing to please their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:20 PM
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objects In what sense? Breaking someone down into their looks or focusing on a specific part of them, doesn't eliminate the fact they are a conscious person and to get anywhere you'll need to act accordingly. entitlement and treatment How does it lead to entitlement or mistreatment? There are many valuable objects (ex. Luxury cars) that I do not feel entitled to nor would i mistreat if I owned. Let's say I break a woman down into: redhead, 8, great body. At the end of the day if I want to go out…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:15 PM
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People is still undefined. I made this thread mostly as response to (what i believe are meaningless) statements like "treat women like people". As I said above people are treated in different ways depending on their age and gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:10 PM
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It's funny, although I generally dislike the women (especially those in my family) I've made a lot of female friends the past week. Just yesterday I met an old polish lady who's going to help me learn polish.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:00 PM
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Person doesn't really mean anything. It doesn't answer the question. What is person? Well they're four types of people: men, women, boys, and girls. And our treatment of them is completely different. If I see a boy or girl at grocery store register scrambling for change to buy a candy bar, I'll pay for them. If I see a man/woman doing the same, I'll leave them alone. If I'm playing soccer on a mens team, I feel comfortable yelling for a pass, pushing my teammates to run more, and calling them ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:57 PM
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When I see damaged goods in the dating context, I think of buyer beware; shoddy goods that don't hold up. because of things said/done Maybe maybe not. Depends on the person. There's a wide range of issues and possibilities. It could be nature (personality disorder) or it could be nurture (negative events). Doesn't really matter though, bith are to be avoided. you would never see No. We're saying these people should simply be avoided. Let them do whatever. Look for a sturdy ladder that'll last fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:53 PM
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Sleep with her, Do not mix emotions. No dating; no feelings, no listening.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:45 PM
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If I was talking to my mates in real life, that's the exact term I'd used. It's funny, but I think one of the biggest differences between BP/RP (and maybe men/women) is tone. Why does the tone matter? It's not like he's calling out a specific user or person. Do you disagree with the idea of there being women that are "damaged goods" (horrible relationship prospects)? women looking for validation Doesn't have the same meaning. Damaged goods refers to a specific group of women. Everyone is looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:36 PM
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Lol that's my post. I never said that's what I thought. That was a post I made asking about the proper way to think of women. I was not proposing or describing my view of women. With that being said, even if I held those views, they wouldn't necessarily prevent me from talking to a woman. How is this not tricking women into having sex by being deceitful about your feelings towards them? Unless I straight up tell a girl "I love women" there is no deceit. Women are a group. A woman is an individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:33 PM
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Fitness level is great. I play soccer so I can basically sprint for an hour. Body needs work. I need to control my diet, start lifting, and build muscle. It's one of my dreams in life to get this lean and muscular. But i've put off actually lifting and dieting for a several years now. I love the competitive and physical nature too much to quit, but I really do want to start lifting, dieting, and moving closer to my goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:23 PM
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A symbol of rape culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:00 PM
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This is why the "she has experience" claims are bullshit. Just because a girl has a high count, doesn't mean she's going to fuck you like she did the Brad Pitt look alike nor does it mean she'll be as enthusiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 09:29 PM
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The quality of the sub has definitely gone down. Loads of newbies are essentially posting stories about them tying their shoe laces. It pisses me off to no end. I've subbed for about 2 years now and have only made 1 thread. I read the sub a few times a week, but only post once or twice. Less is more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:03 PM
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That's a meaningless statement. There are generally 4 types of human beings (discounting infants): boys, girls, men, and women. What does it mean to treat someone like a human being? Should I treat them like a boy, a girl, a man, or a woman? If you mean treat women like men, I can do that, but women would probably view it as sexism: https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf?sequence=1
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:58 PM
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Most red pillers are newbies who haven't really swallowed the pill. Influx of new subscribers who won't shut up and read. Increase in frivolous threads and FRs; "my friend is a slut AWALT" Loss of seriousness in the subreddit; increased usage of memes. My biggest problem is that a lot of the people who call themselves red pillers, don't really get it; they haven't swallowed the pill. Head over to r/asktrp and you'll see a lot of basic questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:54 PM
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What I had envisioned was a weekly or monthly discussion on particular topics. The "host" would select the topic in advance, and we as participants could have some time to research the topic before coming into the discussion. That sounds like a very refreshing and enjoyable thing to do. I'm interested. If you ever do get things going or need help, I'll lend a hand.
/r/askTRP25/10/15 02:35 AM
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In other news water is wet. I'm going to be frank: this is poor post. Unless you have something very valuable, interesting, or noteworthy to say, please don't make a thread. Quality > Quantity If you want this subreddit to have good content, don't create superfluous thread or posts.
/r/TheRedPill25/10/15 02:30 AM
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Those are my exact views.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 11:55 PM
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What's your take on questions 2 and 3. Do thoughts about gender really matter? If a person doesn't harm anyone, why do his thoughts matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 11:53 PM
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But it's not even about sex right? Isn't it is about approval? This is what I don't understand. If it is really about approval and acceptance, then why the focus on the mere act of sex? It's not about one specific thing. Sex, attraction, and approval all play a role. Elliot Rodgers is not representative of most incels (or human beings for the matter). There must be something going on here besides just the need for sexual release. Acceptance and mutual connection. Go back to the friend metaphor. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 11:47 PM
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You'll have to clarify the queston OP. Are you asking if people are entitled to their standards and preferences; or are you asking if they are entitled to have those standards met. People can want whatever they want. Expecting others (government) to give it to them is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:40 PM
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I've believe you deserve what you can get away with "whatever the market will bare" I agree with you. Free markets are the best markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:39 PM
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It's funny. Only in the past few months have I learned about the labels that describe my views. I can mostly agree with the second part. Gender is the biggest difference. Within men, everyone's got different cards (tall-short, handsome-ugly, rich-poor, smart-dumb, etc.) there's no optimal strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:36 PM
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Incels have this idea that in order to be a worthy man or human, You never rejected that idea :) you need to garnish the sexual approval of women. Not of women, but of a woman.a Without this approval, you are Shit. Worthless. Would it be silly for a person who cannot connect (platonic) to anyone and has never made any friends to feel that they are worthless? They're problem cannot simply be addressed by telling them "friendship is unnecessary." Not even a real man. I don't know where this idea c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 10:29 PM
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It's not something I'm planning; just an option. Language wouldn't be a big problem; the basics of any language can be obtained in 9 months or so (asian languages are exceptions). Speaking like a native or close to it? That'd probably take 2 years or so of effort. To actually move there and obtain permanent residency I imagine I would need to be in a profession in which there's a shortage/demand of workers or have enough capital to start a business. Or I could go get a degree in the country and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 09:55 PM
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Less biased divorce/custody laws, slightly less materialistic culture, prettier women (americans are fat), more purchasing power (cheaper rent, cheaper food, affordable healthcare, etc.), little to no western feminism, etc. Probably central Europe. Probably Poland (Women and Catholicism). I'd aim for a suburb with 100-200k people. I'd be happy with a small group of friends, a nice bar, and a fairly quiet life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 09:27 PM
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There's no advice I can give to people; only individuals. The basic problem is american laws (and feminist culture) create decentives for men to avoid marriage. Either leave or date a lot of women, find someone you think is good, and roll the dice. My advice to individuals? Work during your 20-30s, save money (low 6 figs), move to a different country, learn the language, get a job and friends, and find a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 09:09 PM
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It doesn't really mean anything. Almost everyone believes in equality, equal opportunity, and egalitarianism. However calling yourself a feminist brings up images of the "manspreading", triggers, enthusiastic consent ("can i kiss you"), and other bullshit. Do you believe in those things? Don't be surprised if someone thinks you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 11:28 PM
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what do people imagine when they hear "feminist" ugly, stupid, loud, and totalitarian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KpdL8UuntA I don't have a problem with ugly or stupid people, but a lot of these girls (and guys) are just cruel. I've met skinheads and racists that are more respectful than these women. however, the reality is that a lot of feminists like sex, believe in equality, and just wanna have fun. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 11:20 PM
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If that's your understanding of the speaker's argument you're kind of proving the speaker's point about women being myopic....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 09:47 PM
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How do women that are way more talented and intelligent than you make you feel about yourself? No feelings. If it's in a field I'm interested in (jazz or writing) I read their work and admire it like any other writer. Men and women have the same IQ, only difference is men have a wider spread. You have to realize the speaker's comments where not about individual women, but about women in aggregate; her view of the general behavior and interests of the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 09:45 PM
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The chewed gum and car analogies best describe my feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 09:28 PM
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I assumed your intent for this OP prompt and perhaps I shouldn't have? That's up to you to decide. Short of reading minds, intent can only be derived from a person's words or actions. I'll let you decide how to take my words. That said this woman is a loony and a conspiracy theorist and You don’t have to believe in an idea to evaluate it. If someone calmly said to me blacks are less intelligent, violent, and less productive, I would have to logically evaluate his argument. Anything else (calling…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 04:34 PM
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And it's a damn shame that being interested in people has been put on a lower tier of consciousness/intelligence than being interested in theories or how things work. Well no one put anything anywhere. It just so happens when you're interested in objects you can create cars, trains, planes, rockets, and so on. When you're interested in people, there's not much. It's funny, but the individuals who have helped the largest number of people where those most often interested in objects, theories, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 04:32 AM
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That would also be true of the young men who needing jobs immediately, went to the local factories and spent decades in labor jobs (decent pay at the time). forced Depends on the society and time period. Consider the setting of feminism, america. From the 1900s onward did that really happen? American women being forced to marry. By force I mean marry or be: kicked of the family, shunned by family, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:52 AM
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But they do become about me and her because we ARE women. Any generalization, by definition, is going to have outliers. If a generalization is descriptive of a say 50% of the objects in a set, then it's a useful (or at least relevant) generalization. If someone said, black men are in/going to prison I wouldn't respond with "my friends and i aren't in prison" as that's not really the speaker's point; he's not describing my black upper middle class experience and the experiences of blacks like me.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:48 AM
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But it's not really about you or any individual. I doubt she thinks of herself as having no conscious or intellectual interests. Since she was on a radio show (or podcast) discussing feminism and gender issues it's clear that she does have some intellectual interests. I'd guess that she also probably has some intelligent and intellectual female friends. Her comments are about men and women as whole. They're not about her, her friends, or any select individuals. They're based on her interactions …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:27 AM
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You should be able to create "everyone wins" scenarios. Zero sum game baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:22 AM
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Well I meant her comments about the behavior and motivation of women vs. the behavior and motivation of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:19 AM
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Being a woman /= being a feminist or even wanting the best for women. I neither said nor implied that. What's interesting about her being a woman is it conflicts with the initial response of "misogyny" or "woman-hating". There are definitely women that hate themselves and other women, so it's possible for her to be a misogynist. But such a heavy critique of women by a woman is interesting. Does she have valid points? Or does she simply have negative feelings about other women and possibly hersel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:12 AM
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You're being emotional. Be logical. Consider the speaker's points, my questions, respond; affirm, deny, or something else. I really don't matter. The speakers comments where her feelings about men and women in aggregate. We're on a debate sub so I thought people would be interested and offer more substantive answers. Only you and other things with penises indulge existential curiosities about the world around us. Us women folk can't possible comprehend. JFC... This shit right here. Just as a hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:09 AM
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The subjective belief that one waitress might lack a genuine interest in you isn't the same situation as believing no waitress possibly can. I agree. I can see how my words implied that. It all hinges on "truly" which I didn't fully define. Given the incentives waitresses have to make me believe that they're interested in me, the line between genuine and not genuine is blurred.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:04 AM
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I'll try to avoid a circlejerk, but this is what feminism really misses when they discuss the patriarchy and male "privilege." The only privilege men have is mental: interest, desire, and willpower. While the oil tycoons were men; the people working 16 hour days and getting crippled were also men. Whilst the bankers are men; their interns who work 12 hours hoping they get a permanent position are also men. Remove the male extrema and I doubt the mean man was (or is) better off than the mean woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:56 AM
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I was feeling short so I used that example. I'll expand. that there are some situations where mistrust is warranted. They're asking whether this is one of those situations. not specifically situations where mistrust is warranted, but situations which need an examination of intentions and incentives. What incentives does a waitress have to be friendly to customer? Money. What incentives does a woman have to be loving to a successful man? Money, status, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:51 AM
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Genuinely curious, what was wrong with the comparison? Did it help explain my perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:49 AM
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men are the retards and the geniuses, the homeless and the kings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:48 AM
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You mean when he was a CEO? That requires a whole lot of dealing with people. All kinds of people, investors, government regulators, your board, marketers, etc. Almost like he was a contributing member of society. No when in the months he spent writing the program and when eventually sold it. Even during the time he was meeting investors, regulators, the board, and marketers. Yes he's interacting with people, but it's work. It's not like he was having beers with them and catching up on the Sopra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 01:40 AM
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That's not very scientific. That's much too subjective to be a valid measurement. Do all discussions have to be scientific to be valid or provide decent description of reality? Especially when what I find interesting won't necessarily be what you or they find interesting. You can still do a lot in a subject area that I don't find interesting. Her argument wasn't just about thinking/reasoning, but more about her view of consciousness (interests and depth of interests, involvement with intellectua…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 01:35 AM
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Uhh, what? Dude Elon Musk goes on talk shows. I'd hardly call that alienated from society. Steve Jobs is most well known for giving presentations in auditoriums. And he did that after spending years developing devices in his company, aka working with other people and using resources that he didn't independently develop. Look at my specific words "during their most productive years". For Musk, that would be before him became famous; when he developed PayPal and when he sold Zip2. Even right now, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 01:26 AM
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How many of those people rely on "props" What do you mean by props? "conscious while living in the wilderness"? They're not living in the wilderness, but (during their most productive years) their lives are very separate and almost alienated from the public. In music I can't help but think of guys like John Coltrane, Bill Evans, Steve Vai, etc. Who could practice for 12hours+ a day! In business well there's Jobs, Elon Musk (Tesla, SpaceX, Paypal, etc.), and others. I very much doubt these guys h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 01:12 AM
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Unfortunately 'always wanting things' isn't a valid predictor of the ability to think and reason. Here argument is that although men and women both want things and kids, men are more likely and better able to fill their time with other interests. Intellectual or creative pursuits. But what is a predictor? What can we do to measure thinking/reasoning abilities? Actions. What people do with their lives. Their interests and pursuits. What they write about. For those of you who don't like feminism..…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 01:05 AM
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definitely a qualitative difference in our consciousness. I wonder how feminists reconcile the fact that they were oppressed with them being equal... You oppress inferiors, not equals. Maybe they recognize this and thats why they are such cunts. You know I've never really thought about your point. An initial response would be that "men are stronger," but even outside of that. If women had the same intellectual curiosity and dominance that men do, "oppressing" them would've been pretty difficult.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:52 AM
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Most men will accomplish little in the way of things that improve society or artistic pursuits which redefine a field. But of the people who are gamechangers an overwhelming number of them are men. I don't even know what she means by "consciousness". It's all in her words. "I don't think that women have the same consciousness that men do." I think by consciousness she means intellectually curiosity; an interest in the world's order and the foundation of western civilization. What a twat, I could…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:48 AM
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Well this was a woman who said all of those things. You haven't answered my questions though. What's the feminist response or at least yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:25 AM
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Is it a cognitive distortion to suspect that the waitress at your favorite restaurant doesn't actually find you interesting or funny? That she may have other motivations?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:24 AM
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I think women would have the same response, evolutionarily. I think the idea that a male might have a ton of kids with different women that he might be pressured into providing for is way, WAY worse than the idea that one kid you thought was yours turning out not to be. I think male promiscuity is equally, if not more, threatening. Why do you think that it's worse? *The women would not be raising or investing in those kids. Whereas the man would spend several years of time, effort, and resources…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 12:02 AM
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Millennial men are not chained to millennial women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 11:44 PM
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tl;dr If you've got a product that 50 stores want, why would you license that product to 1 store?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 11:31 PM
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The issue with promiscuity is natural disgust. The reason (i think) disgust is present is evolutionary. OK hypothetically: a man who doesn't want to have kids meets a woman who not only doesn't want kids but certainly CAN'T, for some reason. Do you still care about her partner count? I don't want kids, but yes I would still care. Even if she has "changed" I would rather choose a woman that never had a slut phase than a woman who went through one and is a "different" person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 11:27 PM
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Imagine a young salesman. Early in his career he closes at a rate of 1%. He struggles to get attention from any firm. He gets a job at a backwater firm in a Podunk town and starts working there. Everyday our salesman shows up at 5am and leaves at 7pm. After a few years his sales conversion rate rises to 3%. He moves to the suburbs, spends a few more years there and does the last bit of work. He buys the right clothes and the right car, befriends the right people, and his rate rises to an amazing…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 11:25 PM
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What are you disgusted by in this situation? You hear a women say "I've been with 5 men" and your want to throw up? A man comes, chews gum and puts it on a table. Another guy comes, picks up the gum and does the same. This continues until 5 guys have chewed the gum. That's the best way to describe my reaction. If the gum looks tasty (the woman is attractive), I'll come along and also chew on it, but I won't leave it in my mouth. Do you have to imagine it? Not really. More attachment I have to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 11:02 PM
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So those 10 women you've been with. They all had been with less than 5 men? Oh no. I don't care about hookups. I don't care whether these women have had threesomes, have a boyfriend, whatever. They're just fucks. I only care about the history of a woman I want to be exclusive with. I honestly don't understand your attitude about it. Like why it's so disgusting. It's an emotion. A natural revulsion. I can find different ways to justify or rationalize this emotion, but what matters is that it exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:54 PM
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There doesn't need to be; the study just attacks the assumption that offspring only inherit traits from the parents. The human body is a much more complex system and a similar study would be very lengthy, expensive, and probably considered "misogynistic." All that matters is the feeling of disgust. So far I've slept with 10 women. I'm disgusted at the thought of a woman sleeping with 5 men or 6 men. If my number ever goes up to 25 or 50, I'm still going to be disgusted at woman having had 5 part…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:24 PM
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But you would equally think, "Wow, all those cads and chads wanted her, yet she's with ME now. I have a product that was wanted by many high status men, that must mean I got pretty damned lucky and/or I have higher status than I originally thought." Lol. Let's apply that to sports. Do American soccer teams that sign retired European players (Steven Gerard, Roy Keane, etc.) Athlete spends ages 18-30 playing for the top teams, he spends 30-40 playing for a team at the bottom of the table. Is the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:10 PM
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There's a big difference between having multiple partners and having had multiple partners in the past. For evolutionary purposes it doesn't matter. The best odds of passing on my genes are with woman that has no partners and has never had any partners. In a world without technology, if a woman sleeps with a man 1 week before I sleep with her. She could very well pass her offspring as mine. It's not like some guy she fucked years ago might actually be the father of your baby. It's pretty basic b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 10:03 PM
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I have the exact same feeling as /u/GoldPisseR . This all goes back to biology. Who is more likely to pass on their genes? Men who sleep with women that have no partners? Men who sleep with women that have multiple partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 09:02 PM
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-1 shoes on carpet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:10 PM
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She is fat. Visit other countries!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:07 PM
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So in a world as what I described, with these conditions, would the average partner count of women, more so younger women, increase? Or would it stay relatively the same? Why or why not? "If we remove all discentives for women to fuck, will they fuck more?" Short answer: yes, but not as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:17 AM
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So women are always able to snag someone rated higher than they are? For casual sex, yes. Maybe your scale is off. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ Men's appraisal of women's looks fit's a normal curve (what is expected). Women rated most men as below average. Maybe guys don't really know what a ten looks like to women, and just want to think they should be getting hotter girls than they are able to get. Which is easier? 50 year old woman finding an average looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:13 AM
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Why would women pay for an escort if, as you said, they can get an attractive and skilled man fairly easily? A man more attractive than them. Not the top 1% most attractive men. Why would more women be having sex than men if they didn't want it just as bad (or more)? The man is attractive enough for sex to be worthwile. If the man was less attractive sex would not happen. Maybe the demand in males is higher because the supply of women willing to have sex with them is lower, and the opposite true…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 04:00 AM
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Homeless man B doesn't know if that moldy bread will fill him up. The fact that he's not trying to eat it, says enough. Even if it doesn't fill him up. If he were truly starving, he would try to eat it. The fact that it may not fill him up is why he should try to eat it If you want to say most men are not skilled or good looking enough, look at the demand for male escorts. Very small. Compared to the demand for female escorts? I really feel like you're trying to dodge the issue. This seems like …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:44 AM
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No I'm not saying it's a need like water or food. I'm saying that the desire men have for sex is more akin to a need. Whereas the fact that women are more selective and and will only have sex if a partner meets a certain standard shows sex is a want for them. And what part of it are you saying is the need? The need to ejaculate? The need for the social interaction that goes along with it? If it was just ejaculation, porn and masturbation would take care of it. Not necessarily social interaction …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:25 AM
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Nah. This is really outdated information. Women were just sexually oppressed by society forever. The sexual revolution/feminism came about because women want sex just as much. Women want sex with select men. Men want sex period! This is even true among homosexuals. Gays have ridiculous amount of sex compared to lesbians. How many lesbian sex clubs or lesbian bathhouses have you heard of? Also, why can't this "need" be filled by masturbation? The fact that you're asking "why isn't masturbation an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:14 AM
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If he's average looking, he would never have to resort to a 1. Worst case scenario he would resort to a fattie. The fat woman in this scenario would be fucking an average guy. And the fat guy who is around her level is at home jerking off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:04 AM
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I think you overestimate how many guys (especially decent-looking ones) would have sex with the ugly girl. I mean, would you? No I don't. It's been done many times. Find a picture of an ugly fat woman, make a profile on okcupid, and see how many average guys message her willing to fuck. The main difference between men and women is sex drive. For men, sex is a need; if our only option is ugly chicks many men will fuck them. For women, most are willing to wait. Sure, if choosing between the two, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 02:52 AM
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Wouldn't the number of men having sex at least stay the same? With some men getting sex from even more women than they would have in the past? The top men can and do have lots of sex. Why would a woman who is a 6 go for sex with a male 6 when the male 8 will readily fuck her? If you deny this. Make a dating profile with the photo of an average guy and make a profile with the photo of an ugly and fat woman. Who do you think will have an easier time getting sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 02:18 AM
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I am trying to figure out how it could be that men have less sex now if women give it away more freely Women do not give it to an equal distribution of men. Sorry about the harsh tone. Men in an aggregate = have less sex Select men = have more sex than before
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:20 AM
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Hasn't the sexual revolution and the pill etc lead more men having sex? Are you drunk? If men everywhere and anywhere were getting sex do you think TRP or PUA would exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:13 AM
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You are a man. You have agency. Repeat after me: "I make myself more fat"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 01:10 AM
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"sucking dick the straight way"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 07:38 PM
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If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the backwater psychologist over a medical student without a medical degree, no residency experience, and no experience seeing psych patients. credentials aside, merteil2 presents verifiable reasons why the OP's story is full of shit. No not really. /u/merteil2 arguments is basically: psychopaths don't do x, y, or z, they will do a. people who do x, y, or z are not psychopaths I know nothing about mental illness, nor do I claim to but that's a horribly simplis…
/r/TheRedPill18/10/15 06:33 PM
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Wrong sub. Post this in AskTRP.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/15 06:24 PM
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Yes a real psychopath is a predictable robot that would only do x, y, and z. There's absolutely no way human behavior could be much more nuanced and complex.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/15 06:20 PM
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As a medical student Stopped right there. Unless you're a psychiatry resident, you don't know what you're talking about. If what OP says is true, he's been diagnosed by a professional, then he's probably a psychopath. I'd expect any medical student to realize how little they know.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/15 06:16 PM
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Rule of thumb: You can't make up for bad fucking with foreplay/hand stuff/mouth stuff. No you cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 05:10 PM
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Congrats you're playing the game Nice people finish last, when they play fair in a game that's rigged (no one starts from the same position).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 05:02 PM
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What part of a fleshlight would make you feel inadequate? Are fleshlights better than vaginas? I've never used one, but I doubt it's a good substitute. Tightness isn't everything. There's lubrication and also the experience of being someone. To compare flesh lights to dildos; a flesh light would be a dildo of an indeterminate size (3inches or 8inches). Just a tool to stick your penis in. Unless you measure the tightness and run a comparative analysis against your vagina, it's unclear what benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 04:36 PM
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your hair has little to no effect on male sexual pleasure: the stimulation of penis. penis size has an effect female sexual pleasure: stimulation of vagina. the question is how large the effect of penis size is. If Brad Pitt had a 5 incher would women not notice and find him more pleasurable than an average non-famous guy with a 7incher?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 04:28 PM
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Yeah I think the mean length-girth is 5" x 4.5". So I'd say you're probably average. I do believe you because my Mum and sister both keep huge dildos and they are not shy about it either. In a sense I think that's every man's nightmare (or maybe just mine). It's inadequacy in it's purest form. There's no subjectivity; either you make the cut or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 04:25 PM
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Nah this is shit advice. If I were him, I'd just play the numbers game. Get fit, talk to a lot of women, and hopefully find one with a small vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 03:59 PM
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No man wants to be second best. Women are generally shitty at describing what they want; they'll either straight up lie or tell half-truths. ex. "I want a good guy" = "I want an alpha who is nice" Some women have a small vaginas, caverns, and somewhere in between. Penis size comes into question because it's one of the things that does influence sexual pleasure. A woman's breasts, ass, etc. are purely visual. You know, they're not actually used for sex. They're fun to look at and play with, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 03:57 PM
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I can't imagine the value. Yes you can. You're just not trying. Give you a few* drugs or change the hormones in your body and you'll be just like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 02:14 PM
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A person is capable of growing and changing from experience and therefore a man or woman with multiple partners in their past is of no importance. A person is capable of changing =/= A person has changed and improved This is the flaw in your logic. A person should be assessed on their current actions and behaviors. Does this apply to employers and background checks? Should employers not hesitate to employ people with a history of stealing when they someone who will not steal? People who stole fr…
/r/TheRedPill18/10/15 12:57 AM
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Brehh do you really need a bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 12:15 AM
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dude buy an electronic kit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 11:41 PM
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I'll avoid Cologne and Dortmund then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 09:05 PM
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Don't move to Germany for the women, trust me on this. I'll be visiting Germany soon. Which part of Germany are you in? West, East, or South?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 07:49 PM
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It's just like food. I don't desire fast food. 1 day without food and I'll pray for fast food. 1 week without food and I'll pray for moldy bread. Someone gives me the moldy bread? I'll gorge myself on it. But as soon as I finish eating and am somewhat satiated, I'll feel disgusted. That's what sex is like. It's not a perfect comparison as masturbation and porn exist, but it's the best comparison I have. If my only option was moldy bread, I'd take it. If my only option is a 5ft 200lb woman I'll p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 07:35 PM
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That's exactly why men may or may not approach you. There are many girls who are less attractive than you that get approached more simply because they look approachable or they're in a "guy's" league. I'd rather play on the 2nd string team than sit on the bench of the 1st team.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 01:03 PM
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I'm black and I do better with light skinned girls. I get less "I have a boyfriend" and they're more receptive to opening. If I see a dark skinned girl smiling at me, I'll approach her. But the fact of the matter is I'm not attractive enough to get that IOI. Not complaining just offering my perspective. If I'm approaching, it's me just taking a risk. So why would I take a risk with people I've routinely failed with? they would diss me This is your exact problem. Unless they personally know you o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 12:57 PM
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As I'm strumming my guitar I feel like shit right now. I don't know if It's any consolation, but I've played guitar for 12 years, my fingers are fine, but I've absolutely lost all motivation to play. I force myself to practice for an hour everyday so I don't lose the skills, but I hate it. I've heard it all before and it all sounds the same. SRV, Hendrix, Pat Metheny, etc. They're good, but I'm just not feeling the magic I used to feel. I really wish I wanted play, but I don't and it feels horri…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 01:32 AM
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Also. I'm not saying that sex with alcohol is or is not rape. What I'm saying is that if a majority of people do not recognize sex with alcohol as rape, then using the word rape is going to diminish the seriousness with which they hold the word. Does that make sense? Race/racism/racist is no different. The more you apply it to scenarios where people do not see racism, the less meaning the word holds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 11:37 PM
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No it's really not. If you use a word without a definition, it's either meaningless or you're going to make it meaningless. This is the biggest problem I have with you. Defining race (or using the word race) as explicitly white->black, is inherently racist; it portrays blacks (and other minorities) as weak and submissive; people who are always victims. If that's not your definition of race and you don't have a definition of it, yet you use the word racist, you're eliminating it's meaning. Just l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 11:31 PM
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A cracker? How is that racist? How is anything racist? How do you determine whether something is racist or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 11:20 PM
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Political correctness is not conducive to honest discussion. Without a link to any thread or comments, I really can't say anything about TRP's discussions about race. I just said it's a big factor that shapes my life, and shapes how people see me. For me race is as important or unimportant as a person makes it. A person's eyes, nose and ears can influence what clothes look good them. That's the thing. I don't feel like I'm minimizing something, I legitimately feel like my race is largely unimpor…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 10:26 PM
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There's no reason to assume anything is because of race, but it's a facet of who we are as much as gender or height or any number of other features, so why deny it? I'm not denying anything. It's just not useful. It's more useful (energizing behavior) to assume that failure comes from my individual actions (something i control) than race (something I cannot). This is just like free will. Whether free will exists or not is irreverent. What is most useful is for me to believe that it does exist an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:56 PM
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IMO you're deeply involved in a movement that is dominated by white men, Reddit is dominated by white men. The country is dominated by white men. This is part of what I meant. If you look for race you're going to find it. The red pill is not a movement. People are not going out and marching on the streets. There's no magazine subscription or secret letters. It's basically an online locker room. so it's a good strategy for you to think like you do. Not at all. I'm not seeing these people nor do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:39 PM
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I really want to help minorities overcome injustices, What injustices do minorities face? And how do you (or SJWs) help address them? As a minority, telling white people that minorities cannot be racist is very divisive. I would say your attempt at helping us does more to harm minorities than a white nazi waving a swastika. People realize that the nazi is crazy and disregard him. The nazi doesn't make people hate blacks. On the other hand when people get told they cannot be mistreated or abused,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:32 PM
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How come you cna say one thing one place and not at another place? Remember what I said about audience? I'll give you an example. I have a white fried who is popular, when he is around blacks he's popular enough to say "nigga". If he says "nigga" around whites he would be called racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:27 PM
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I'm black and If I look for instances or my race affecting my experiences I'm always going to find some. If I just live and disregard my race, life is simpler. When I get rejected I can say: "maybe she doesn't like black guys" or I can say "she's just not into me". I don't know maybe it's just me, but America is very obsessive about race. I think even the racial discussions and dialogues about race are more useless than helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:21 PM
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Maybe. It all varies though and depends on the country. Minorities born and raised in the U.S. have more in common with white people americans white foreigners do; these minorities are american. I'm not sure if minorities born and raised in Germany or Italy can call themselves Italian, but anyone who grows up here is American. There is no American race. deal with being minorities I think that attitude is the exact problem. Believing that race is something you have to "deal" with, rather than rac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:11 PM
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refer pack to point 2. PPD is not Jon's audience Are you really this dense?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 09:06 PM
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TRP always has joking undertone and RPers don't take themselves or words that seriously: cock carousel, chad, beta provider, etc. Maybe I'm immature, but there's a hint of humor in these names. My problem with POC is I feel like it implies that there's something special or extra valuable about being a minority. It's a box that segregates whites from other racial groups. Positive racism is still racism. Are my feelings valid or overblown?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:55 PM
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Money is the ultimate equalizer. Period. This right here. All that matters is money or education (ability to make money). White privilege is as descriptive a term as rich privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:51 PM
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i would just say nonwhites/minorities. Maybe it's just me but POC sounds so weird; almost fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:47 PM
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Why can you not just use black?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:38 PM
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You are not Jon. PPD is not Jon's audience. Colored sounds outdated and is reminiscent of the civil rights era. I hope you're a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:33 PM
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White privilege is mostly having money, growing up in stable families/neighborhoods, getting a decent education, etc. Blacks are racially profiled and there is discrimination, but the fact of the matter is blacks do stupid things. Why do blacks do stupid things? After slavery they were poor, they got lousy educations, and a culture of poverty emerged. Things like the war on drugs, minimum wage laws, etc. have definitely hurt blacks. Personally I think most American blacks are going about the wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:28 PM
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They = 200-300 commenters. Are you talking about specific users on PPD that have said x on TRP and backtracked on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:43 PM
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. I wish you would be more honest about embracing everything your mods say instead of backing away when convenient. Oh they just don't agree with the mods??
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:37 PM
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Omar "I robs drugdealers" Little
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:17 PM
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Here is what happens when men try to discuss men's issues: https://youtu.be/iARHCxAMAO0?t=126 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw They are called misogynists, woman haters, racists, etc. Discussion is silenced and shut down. Real question: Who should be doing all this resource creation? Men are currently attempting to do so and are facing active resistance from women. Feminists have responded to gendered issues by creating resources. Feminists are largely responsible for domestic violenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 12:13 AM
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start by acknowledging the problem exists and pointing out it exists. it's funny that the immediate counterpoint is always "he's not obligated to a relationship," yet i have never seen anyone argue that these people are entitled to women and should be paired up with them. acknowledge the problem exists create resources : clubs and social groups for alienated young men mentors for young men teach men to socialize, dress well, improve their bodies, and actually take a part together. Even creating …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 11:28 PM
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yes you can. i asked you, do you think. offer an opinion. unless you're telling me that you have no beliefs without stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 09:03 PM
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do you think during the peak of the sexual revolution an equal proportion of men and women were having sex? (yes/no)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:59 PM
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You haven't answered my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:44 PM
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I'll kind of concede on that. Although do you think during the peak of the sexual revolution an equal proportion of men and women were having sex? Ex. 10 girls having sex with 10 guys? Or 10 girls seeing 6 guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:38 PM
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Not at all. It was mostly women who championed the movement, wrote about it, created slut walks, etc. There were men on the sidelines at those events, and men who engaged in casual sex, but men didn't play an equal role in it. Women started it and men just rolled along. Is that a poor understanding of the history?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:33 PM
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Only its ideologically dominance. Women who want to hookup should be free to do so. My only problems with it is discussion being dominated solely by feminists (sex positivity, sex has no consequences, past doesn't matter, etc.) In my view, I think women should've gone and done whatever they want, but men shouldn't have backed down from looking down on sluts or openly saying "hey that's disgusting." As it is there is only one message. Sex is just sex and anyone who says otherwise is a "bigot".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:28 PM
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Men are only responsible insofar as they allowed women to run ship. If you leave the dog alone with cookies, can't get mad at him for eating them. Feminism has reduced the incentives for men to get married. Increased promiscuity, divorce and custody laws, etc. Men allowed this to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:22 PM
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i'm not really sure how to respond to do this. do you think these responses are true or false? people who hold violent and intolerant beliefs, shouldn't be allowed into western countries. it's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 05:45 PM
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In America, that's as much a feminist an idea as believing in gravity or respiration.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 05:43 PM
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Can't expect to get sympathy from the animals you trying to hunt. The game is the game. Play or don't play. But if you do play, go hard. OP's struggling, but all he can do is push harder or give up. Get more fit, dress better, practice speaking more, and approach women. As a man, you can never expect sympathy. Especially not from women. Only people who would comfort OP who went through similar shit or have analyzed dating and social relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:52 PM
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The violent beliefs muslims hold are reason enough to be against muslim immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:25 PM
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It doesn't matter whether or not muslims are a small minority. What matters is that 11% of them answered a phone survey with: "sharia is allah's law and muslims must impose a worldwide Jihad". Look at my main post on this thread. "protecting the women from invading Islamic hordes" is just so over the top rhetoric that it's hard to take seriously, and that's why it's easy to attribute it to bigotry. These people hold violent beliefs and are very dogmatic. There is no way around it. Their beliefs …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:22 PM
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Why do so many women defend a religion that treats women like property, "We can change them. They just need love" It really is like a woman finding* a stray dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:10 PM
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a racist paranoia of Middle Eastern immigrants. Is there anything that could convince you it's not just paranoia? Do you think Stephen is afraid of them because of their skin or because of the horrible actions of people with similar beliefs to them? The fact of the matter is the beliefs many muslim hold are antithetical to the foundation of western society (free speech, equality, etc.) Here is a poll of American Muslims 51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:07 PM
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European women and Islam is like a woman that sees a feral dog and thinks she can raise it and change it's nature. That isn't the woman's fault. Responsibility lies with the woman's man to tell her to get rid of the dog. Muslims countries have failed for a reason. Yes western intervention hasn't helped at all, but Islam (or the general stupidity of muslims) has led to some poor decisions. edit: Here is a phone survey of the beliefs of American Muslims. Ask yourself this. If you held radical beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:01 PM
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I'm black and I've never felt any racism in the manosphere. I'm an "endorsed contributor". One of the best posters (content wise) OmLaLa is also black. Link the post? Most people just use racism, sexism, homophobia, as labels to silence discussion. That being said, what do your comments have to do with OP's point? You've kind of ignored it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 03:56 PM
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shhhh. engineers are paid more because penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:36 AM
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What would you think about a private forum with a $2 or $3 monthly subscription?
/r/TheRedPill14/10/15 01:45 AM
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I hope not. As it is the quality has noticeably gone down... again.
/r/TheRedPill14/10/15 01:29 AM
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I can and many others have done so. The problem is when the arguments people use against it are arguments they disagree with when applied to women. At best it shows me that people not logical, at worst it implies brainwashed by society and media. undeniably different Exactly what racists and sexists say. They understand bias and agree that it's wrong, but their racism/sexism is different from that sort of bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 10:51 PM
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So feminism has just been rebranded?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 10:24 PM
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18 years of work doesn't involve bodily autonomy? Imprisonment for not paying doesnt conflict autonomy? apples and oranges That is what anyone who is supporting a bias (sexism or racism) says. They say "no this is different."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 10:19 PM
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I love how you've disregarded and ignored OP's points, the author's point, and the perspectives of other women. Your comment is basically: "that doesnt happen. Stop being so edgy" "me me me me. I've never complained at someone holding a door so that has never happened."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 10:18 PM
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Um, unmasculine men? Seriously, European and Asian men are the least masculine breeds of men, and they're the only ones that built societies worth a damn. Vikings, Spartans, and Huns ...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 09:46 PM
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I don't support abortion, and I never will. I support finding solutions that are best for the child, not the parents. Very simple. That's why I advocate for more and better options for female fertility and birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 09:22 PM
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There are also women that play sports and work whilst pregnant. Focusing on the few pregnant women who die is as silly as loking at the pregnant women who run marathons. The important point is that women choose and willingly take the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 09:15 PM
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I agree with almost everything you've said. No matter how people hamster it, life has a price tag. There are something like 30,000 deaths in car accidents per year. If we dropped the speed limit to 30mph, we could prevent thousands of deaths. Going places would also take much more time. It's generally agree that people's time > thousands of lives. Similarly if life support costs $2,000/day, then a homeless man isn't going to be kept on it for very long. The state cannot afford it. If life suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 09:12 PM
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By definition, this cannot possibly include any affirmative action. I agree with you, but many many people think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 05:35 PM
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What would you consider equality of opportunity? A meritocracy? Or affirmative action?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 05:19 PM
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If there's a 1 in 10 chance of a gun misfiring, are you going to play around with it or even carry it? Marriage and alimony are no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 01:38 PM
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advocate being your natural self, even if that might have ugly or unpleasant aspects. You're a true redpiller; definitely dark triad
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:03 PM
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Plumbers who own businesses are probably in the 6 figures. I'd imagine union guys are 40-60k. The problem is more with low status.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:36 PM
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I am not sure if SMV really has everything to do with it. If a good looking guy is beta, his SMV isn't high. You're right though. These are rough models; they do not describe every externality. I just think they're better than mainstream dialogue. And yes, I agree most women seem to go after the same guys. My tastes are pretty unusual. I usually don't want the men that most women go for. I can honestly say I haven't met many women who don't go after the same guys. How are you not redpill? That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:05 PM
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Women tend to go after the same guys. These guys, being chased by women, have many options and can act however they want. It doesn't help that many women are submissive and dominant behavior arouses them. Most complaints women (and feminists) make about male privilege or male power can be attributed to the guys women go after. When the draft pick comes around most women realize they're not pretty enough to be top picks and they scramble to find a team. However, I have always seemed to be the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:46 PM
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Lady, I'm whatever you say I am. yeah, that's actually what you said. I know. I didn't deny it :) I assumed people would think about my words rather than read literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:39 PM
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Your whole post is kind of myopic. Confidence doesn't require wealth. A confident guy who goes into a bar and says that he's a surgeon is going to have better results than the same man saying he's a plumber. Women like money and women like power. Nothing wrong with that. Only problem is that women often claim to be less shallow and care more about personality, compatability, etc. If women just straight up said "I want a tall, wealthy, etc.," men wouldn't care. Men usually just move on. It's wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:27 PM
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I am talking about men in terms of personal relationships. They suck just as much as women do. I don't know. They definitely can. But do they? I'd say no. Not because of a personality difference, but because it's rarer for men to be in a position of power in a relationship (either sexual or ltr) where they can "suck". The current norm and mainstream philosophy is one where men raised to sacrifice; "happy wife happy life". Women suck more, but that's because they are given more power can choose. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:24 PM
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I went to Poland and Czech
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:21 PM
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Think critically. Am I saying there're absolutely no feminist groups? Or am I saying women care less about feminism and are less likely to complain about beauty/body standards, being hit on, manspreading, and other bullshit? What shit am I making up? As I said above, this was my experience as an American in Central European.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:12 PM
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The light that burns twice as bright... Babushka may not be pretty, but she can cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:28 PM
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What got me wasn't how beautiful they were, but how nice and genuine they were. What's I find even funnier is how chill some of the guys are. Like some dudes would walk past an 8 and be like "yeah, but there's a football game tonight." America is a great place to make money, but if I ever save enough (or if I can get transferred overseas), I'll move immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:24 PM
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Men in this society are no better than women. Who: built the computer you're using? developed its browser developed this website? Who is providing the electricity for your home? Who delivers food to your grocery store Who are the world's best chefs? You may not think Men are better than women, but it's impossible to deny that Men are more important. I myself, as an individual, am pretty worthless. I'm not valuable enough to shape society nor have I achieved anything. But men as whole? They're vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:12 PM
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the promise of a relaxing retirement will be gone as well as people are forced to work into their 70s and probably 80s. Very interesting times ahead. But as automation and robotics is improving, work may become easier. I would bet good money that in the next 15 years truck drivers and taxi drivers will be phased out for self driving cars. That's possibly 3 million people without work. It seems bad, but as supply costs drop (robot drivers are cheaper) the cost of goods will drop (or suppliers wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:01 PM
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I'm actually sorta rooting for society to collapse. If TRP gets to critical mass, that could hasten it even faster. That would be some schadenfreude to witness. I don't agree with everything you said, but I can understand it. I'm honestly just happy something interesting is happening within my lifetime and I'm curious about the outcome. World economy, politics, war, and of course social relationships/dating. I'm curious to see what happens. And part of me really does want things not necessarily …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:56 PM
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There's no obsession. Central/Eastern European women are hot, skinny, and feminine. There's no feminism there. Even when you're getting rejected, they're pretty nice and warm. Maybe it's due to my american accent or a foreign appeal, but when I was over there the amount of effort it took to pull an 8 in Europe = effort required to pull a 6 in American cities. Things are changing, but Central/Eastern Europe is pretty damn comfy. A European 6 is an American 7.5.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:43 PM
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Reading that I can't help but wonder if those women were actually assaulted or if it they're another mattress girl. Regardless, the psychology of unreported crimes is interesting. But that article seems more like opinion or essay than a presentation of research.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:53 PM
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A slut is extroverted and social enough to have casual sex. Lol. Because that's sort of "game" is required to sleep with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:02 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGzxWuLQP8 TRP is part of a response; not a game changer. Women pushed too far and men have started to wake up. As market conditions change (western pussy gets more expensive, male purchasing power drops, etc.), men who in earlier generations might have purchased flowers, chocolate, and eventually married, are waking up and saying "what the fuck am I doing?".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:08 AM
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Most men have short hair. Many men with short hair want women that have long hair. Under your use of the word, this is hypocritical. This is really your example? You're missing the big picture. Examples don't matter. Basic point is that the traits each gender wants from the other are often things that they themselves do not possess. Short woman --> Tall man Muscular man --> Soft non-muscular woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:30 AM
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Bottom line is this: You expect women to meet a standard that you yourself cannot. That is the very definition of hypocrisy. So you agree that it's hypocritical for short weak women to want tall strong men. You also think it's hypocritical for men with low voices to like high pitched voices in women? Or short haired men to want long hair in women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:15 AM
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Genders are different. Short weak women want big strong men. Short haired men want women with long flowing hair. Men with deep voices want to listen to high pitched feminine voices Men with rough hands or skin, want women with soft skin and soft hands Are these all hypocritical?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:03 AM
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Not really. Genders have different standards. Is it hypocritical for a short girl to want a tall guy? Hypocrisy aside, I'm going to do what's in my best interests. If I'm a murderer who has killed dozens of people in my past I'm going to choose the woman who hasn't murdered people over the one who has.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:02 AM
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Its a problem when you have to outwardly shame & abuse people for their life choices which have no effect on you, He is not shaming people. Men talk about sluts when we're amongst men: "Dude don't date her, she's a slut". We don't go out, find women, and call them names. We just avoid them (for relationships). That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:54 AM
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Interesting. It's the type of phrase that selects for the guys women want: betas to provide and finance their lives and/or kids.
/r/askTRP24/09/15 01:07 AM
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Or go for the middle route. Attack her looks and ability to have children: "No, sorry. Young women make the best mothers. You'll be too old by then."
/r/askTRP24/09/15 01:00 AM
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I'm atheist, but I liked chick fil a more after learning about them sticking to their guts.
/r/TheRedPill22/09/15 11:56 PM
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Just leave her alone. It's not hard. She'll get the message.
/r/askTRP20/09/15 01:04 AM
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Aposematism
/r/askTRP17/09/15 11:34 PM
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As we become more automated obviously high tech jobs will increase but so will artesian, recreation and hospitality industries This is exactly my point. If jobs are shafted the cost of goods will drastically decline or a basic income will be made. It's not in any company's interest for 30-40% of their customer base to be obsolete and out of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 11:32 AM
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Robots replacing humans would be a good thing. It would lead to newer jobs, and eventually a basic income. Look at it this way. Corporations want to make money. Imagine that robots hold 70% of labor jobs. Who will buy nike shoes? Who will eat at chipotle? The prices of nike shoes would eventually drop to $15, chipotle is going to cost $0.50, etc. Eventually a basic income would be introduced. It is not in the billionaire's best interests to have products which people cannot buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:08 AM
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Well prostitutes are usually not virgins.. Say it costs $10,000 for realistic (face, skin, body, lips, etc.) sex bot. That's the price of a used car from 3 or 4 years ago. Depending on how good the robots get, there are thousands of men that would pay for it. If you could pay $10,000 and have a prostitute live with you forever, have sex whenever you want, and clean the house, then it may be comparable.
/r/TheRedPill16/09/15 08:34 PM
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Begin by taking responsibility for your actions. She made you do nothing.
/r/askTRP13/09/15 01:00 PM
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At least this time we have the internet. Mattress girl, UVA, and so on. Maybe one day, the public might learn not to automatically believe everything. I'm very skeptical though. Not until people have their sons, brothers, and friends accused of rape will they think "maybe we shouldn't assume every claim is true." rape claim Exactly. Without evidence it is just a claim.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/15 11:12 PM
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"Wow you'll be 40 with a 20 year old!", saying she thought she raised me better, saying I should find girls my age at that point. Pussy cartel. Makes sense for women to berate betas. But it never ceases to surprises me that women also do the same to their children. Really? Your son shouldn't marry a young, happy women? He should shack up with a baby crazy 40 year old that's been pumped and dumped?
/r/askTRP12/09/15 06:24 PM
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TRP attempts to control women's sexuality, by shaming them in sub that is composed of 90+%men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 01:54 PM
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Get close and talk. Questions after class, office hours, occasional personal questions (FORD) etc How do I go about escalating? Because of I'm wrong I'm several flavors of fucked. But if I'm right.... Escalate, but maintain plausible deniability. Eyefuck her. If you're in her office, bring a textbook and brush hands, subtle complements: ("i like your dress", "you smell nice") delivered in a matter off fact/offhand tone. Walk the line between polite talk/flirting and she'll give you one of three …
/r/askTRP11/09/15 09:25 PM
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You have not responded to my point. It's basic supply and demand. At a bar more men are looking for hookup, than there are women willing to hookup. The women who have sex, open their legs. The men who get sex have to approach and be convincing. Or they are very attractive. More women like casual sex than you think. That may be the case, but what matters, for my argument, is that women, as a population, do not want casual sex as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 11:50 PM
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How? Many men are selling something (casual sex) that very few women want? How is the role of the women who buy (low competition/demand*, they can buy for pennies) comparable to the men who sell (competing with many other people, need very valuable goods, great salesmanship, or lots of effort.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 10:37 PM
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I don't get drunk, but I will. Are you saying it's comparable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 10:23 PM
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Do women come to me whenever I spread my legs open? Do most guys who walk into bars, get picked up by women? Or do women wait for the other gender to make a move? I can respect PUAs or manwhores. They're successful salesman in a competitive market. Women not so much. Male demand/willingness for casual sex exceeds female demand/willingness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 09:47 PM
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I'll also respect women who advance their careers or grow a business. The only disparity is with regards to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 09:17 PM
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Yeah, because a majority of women with jobs are willing to marry a stay at home dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 09:13 PM
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You won't gain much joy having sex with people you don't respect. My dick says otherwise. Indeed, I'd strongly advise against it as it will mess with your self-esteem. Depends on the person. I don't call them names, but when I sleep with a woman 1 hour after meeting her and she swallows, I know she's slut and that's that. but you do have to respect that those choices are theirs to make. Respect is a poor word choice. The only thing people have to do regarding their decision, is not physically ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:42 PM
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men who open their legs was that a typo? Let me get this right Yes. When someone actually does something with their life. Finds a worthwhile (not easy, challenging, requires dedication) goal and pursues it, I can respect that. priest I'm not religious, but I can respect that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:35 PM
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the average people you describe are not reading your posts. Lithuania is or on which continent. I don't know anyone that ignorant. People may not know about the baltic nations, but it's easy to say Europe or Eastern Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:33 PM
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If you want to judge rather than sleep with sluts, that's your prerogative. Why not both? And I was saying to respect their choice, as in it isn't your place to tell them what is right for them in their lives Here's my words: "I don't call them out to their face, but they've done nothing to deserve respect." It's not a choice that deserves respect. Like anyone else, they're free to live their lives however they see fit. If that's what you mean by respect, then I agree. But if your definition is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 02:02 PM
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"Enjoy the decline" Trp is hypocritical I don't see it. You're just using semantics. Is it hypocritical for women to want tall and strong men, when women are usually shorter and weaker than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:32 PM
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Respect them for what they have chosen There's no respect for spreading your legs open. None whatsoever. I don't call them out to their face, but they've done nothing to deserve respect. I'll respect the man who joins the seminary. The man who becomes a neurosurgeon and goes through 12 years of post college education. But someone who gets drunk and spreads their legs?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:30 PM
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Lithuania. I didn't mention the same because most people on Reddit wouldn't recognize it. Estonia, lativia, lithuania. It may surprise, but a lot of people have had a basic education. Lithuania is far from unrecognizable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:28 PM
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It's not an insult. Sluts are sluts. insulting the provider. Provider? Lol take that pussy of the pedestal. She is not provider. She wants sex too and that's why they have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:26 PM
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That is also not a chance? A lot more women than you think would be willing to Sure, but they are in the minority. If every man wanted to be a stay at home dad, only a few would succeed. The lottery is a good metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 02:28 AM
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Do you go to poor people and tell them "You CAN have millions of dollars, thanks to the lottery."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 01:48 AM
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True. It may just be that men are stretched more rather than women clumped around the mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 01:17 AM
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equal numbers of not-smart men and women I'm not sure about the numbers, but there is not an even distribution. Women are clumped around the mean. Men are more likely to be in the higher (and lower) percentiles. Great people (Shakespeare, Mozart) are usually men. And so are the horrible ones (Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy). Men are more extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 11:40 PM
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There're no studies on this. Look at the relatively clean, non disgusting guy who doesn't have a girlfriend and doesn't sleep with women. He wears a t-shirt, jeans, and showers everyday. Walking through campus, he looks at ground, stutters, and is quick to say "sorry." This guy does not get laid. It's not hard. I'm not sure what social circle you're in, but people can usually infer who does and who doesn't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 11:37 PM
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The "basic social skills" thing If it was "basic" then many other guys would be able to do the same thing and your friend wouldn't be sleeping with 7s. Control for social skills, behavior, and attitudes, and things boil down to physical looks. The reason behavior and social skills matter is because they are not basic. They vary from person to person. Do you understand? (1/2)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 11:30 PM
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You really think people will so willingly kill?
/r/TheRedPill08/09/15 11:24 PM
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She isn't a total whore either My last girlfriend forgot that we had sex with each other One of these is not like the other...
/r/TheRedPill08/09/15 11:19 PM
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that's the definition of a false dichotomy you're rationalizing: spend all my money "i am broke every single month a few days before pay day" or 2.) spend no money "i was sitting a pile of cash" You're acting like there's no in between. What exactly do you think people with less money than you? You think their lives are boring and no fun??
/r/TheRedPill07/09/15 03:28 PM
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I earn over twice the average of my country now at the age od 25. Yet I am broke every single month a few days before payday. Why? that's not something to be proud of bro.
/r/TheRedPill07/09/15 02:36 PM
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you are still doing a lot of things you wouldn't otherwise do that sounds more like frame loss, than anything
/r/TheRedPill07/09/15 02:35 PM
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I do not understand why you have posted those links. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:23 PM
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Dread game is just "being hot enough to visibly attract the attention of others" and yes, women do this all the time and yes it works. Dread game specifically refers to a strategy in relationships. Actions and behavior that causes dread. Being attractive is dread game, but someone who is attractive can more easily practice dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:22 PM
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well does it actually work? If she negs 100 dudes and gets no results, she'll reevaluate her strategy. Negging is really just cheeky comments. Depends on circumstance and environment. I doubt there is anything an unattractive woman could say to make me want to sleep with her, but who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:20 PM
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and I asked him to provide examples of those views. telling him to actually criticize those views and break down what's wrong with them. rather than just saying "race realism". infected you can use whatever term you want, but people who hold those views generally believe they are correct. avoiding dissenting views, without evaluating them, is the antithesis of redpill. No matter how convenient, it is intellectually dishonest to lump everyone who disagrees with multiculturalism or immigration und…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:18 PM
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How would she do it? dread gaming dread requires the other partner to actually care; if i'm not attracted to a woman, i really don't care what or who she does. negging How would she do it? I can only see myself saying "take care" and walking away. sexual tactics? Opening her legs is enough. Ugly women can find men a few notches above them by simply opening up their legs. These men probably won't stick around though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:14 PM
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That is what commonly pops up on "race realism" websites. The race realists do. That is literally their bread and butter. Ok and what does that have to do with my post? Where did I list race realism or cite genetic differences? You never actually responded to my comments, you just built a strawman. Unless someone espouses those views, there is no reason to have that response. This is exactly what I mean by labels shutting down discussion. Discussions are simple: respond to what a person says.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:06 PM
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Dude what are you talking about? When a person says "LOL NIGGER DINDNUFFIN" they're not saying anything useful. Why do you think I would find that appropriate? Look at the worlds highest murder rates. Find anything interesting? South America has some of the highest rates. Oh so it's because south americans have a murder gene? Fuck no, it's more complicated. Black people like going to jail because they have jail genes? No. South Koreans commit the most suicide because they have more suicide genes…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 05:59 PM
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collusion: shaming beta men keeping orbiters in orbit hating sluts (they lower buying power of pussy cartel)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 03:53 PM
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I wasn't offended. I just think words like, white supremacy and racist are copouts. They're labels which shut down discussion and introspection. By "white supremacist," I mean he spends all his time ranting about stuff like "white dispossession," "cuckservatives," "ethnomasochism," and about Is that simply white supremacy? Who makes up the majority of prisons? Which countries are the poorest in the world? It's usually minorities. That being said, simply pointing at minorities is a very one sided…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 02:13 PM
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As a person of color, As black man, please don't ever use that term again. "White supremacist" is a buzzword. If they're saying bullshit, then point out that bullshit and criticize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 01:47 PM
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as a woman this is what's going to turn this subreddit into shit
/r/TheRedPill06/09/15 01:42 PM
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fun read, but semi off topic. spoiler: the feminist probably won't change her views.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/15 11:38 PM
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Smoke and mirrors. Castles made of sand. That's all they are.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/15 02:25 PM
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Look at my earlier comment: there are times when i want to make a person feel good Because I sometimes act kindly, would you say that I'm full of love? No you wouldn't. So why say that I'm full of hate, because I sometimes act unkindly? In our western society, there is the strong tendency to moralize. Stories have good endings, truth is always positive, etc. Your comments are a product of this tendency. Personally, I wouldn't say I'm full of hate or love. I don't go around trying to harm people …
/r/TheRedPill01/09/15 09:54 PM
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shoes, bags, or selfies Are they really obsessed with it? Do they subscribe to shoe magazines? Do they study shoes across the globe? Do they know the names of multiple designers (not brand names)? Do they know the history of high heels? Their interest is just in consumption and attention (selfies).
/r/TheRedPill01/09/15 12:11 AM
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bro: www.babynames.com
/r/askTRP01/09/15 12:09 AM
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but I believe it reached its highest form largely as a result of synthesis between the black "soul" and the European musical "technology" What do you mean by "European musical technology"? Are you saying discipline is European? Or are you referring to European instruments? The problem isn't specifically with rap as a medium, but rather a lack of substance. Rap has as much potential as folk, but the problem with rap is that it's very popular. Rap is primarily a commercial good, and secondarily an…
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 11:47 PM
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I agree, but that's not my point. We're adults. Fist fights are no longer allowed (especially with women); and you can't tell the teacher that "Amy was mean to me." When someone harms me (or I absolutely hate them), words are best weapons.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 11:04 PM
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Do you agree that there are times when you want to make a person feel good? When doing so may help you out in the long run? Is it not reasonable to also think that there are times when you want to make a person feel bad? Possibly when they harmed (or attempted) to harm you? Possibly when they're simply an unpleasant person?
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 10:53 PM
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Now, what is one of the problems a woman can have that bring her a lot of status and attention? Being a single mother. Especially these days. R a p e Now that rape does not just apply to extreme violence or inability of consent (drugging), but can apply to regret, each woman can have their problem.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/15 10:47 PM
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Doesn't matter whether or not you fuck her. Just matters whether or not you have/had the opportunity to if you wanted.
/r/askTRP31/08/15 10:31 PM
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How many women have you dated? Please don't give advice. You're doing OP a disservice.
/r/askTRP30/08/15 04:07 AM
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america = founded by religious europeans puritans, quakers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 02:15 AM
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If you love your children, they will know how to disassemble, reassemble, and operate an AR-15 by age 12 if not younger. My thoughts exactly. Might makes right. Societal order exists because of the threat of force. Everything boils down to who has the biggest guns. This is the government but they can't be everywhere. In the 10 minutes it takes an officer to respond, do I want to hide in a closet and hope the criminals don't find me? Or do I want to worry about whether or not I can clean their bl…
/r/TheRedPill27/08/15 01:54 AM
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I'm not the Dalai Lama. I can't answer that question with the two poor choices you gave for answers. Then provide a different answer. This is reality: there are bad people with dangerous tools (guns). Those people don't think twice about getting guns. Why shouldn't I get a gun to safeguard myself? Why do I need to live in a bad neighborhood to have a gun for defense? What is wrong with purchasing a handgun, taking safety classes, and never needing to fire it? What is your response to this critic…
/r/TheRedPill27/08/15 12:27 AM
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No one in this thread is advocating open carry. I raised an honest question that conflicts your beliefs: only own guns if you have a real purpose. There are many bad gun owners: criminal, mentally ill, or careless/negligent. What can we say about these people? They will not give up their guns They could use their guns to harm others. They pose a greater threat to populations without guns, people that cannot respond, than populations with guns. You haven't responded to my criticism. How should th…
/r/TheRedPill27/08/15 12:06 AM
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Physically, a gun can only destroy. But that is not it's only purpose. Guns are not just used to destroy, kill, or exert force. Be mindful. I agree with this. It's something that I think should always be considered. Guns have the potential to cause great harm. There is another side to this though. People like this own guns. Do you think those guns are legal (on a database)? Do you think they would ever give them up if laws change? What should the average person do? Let criminals own guns whilst …
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 11:53 PM
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Why should gun ownership be "purposeful"? Why is recreational use and target practice not a reason to own a gun? It's an instrument with only one purpose, to incapacitate. This is simply false. There are gun owners that will shoot millions of rounds at paper, but never shoot a person. I think the original purpose of guns was simply violence, but guns have come a long way. Saying that guns exist only to incapacitate is as ridiculous as saying guns are only a recreational tool. There are many purp…
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 11:29 PM
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I'm a minority myself and although I think it should be changed, I hope it's not changed before I apply for medical school.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 10:40 PM
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gun control would effectively curb violent crime rates and I'm not a pussy for wanting that. What type of gun control would reduce violent crimes? It would just create a market for illegal guns.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 10:23 PM
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Thank you for the detailed advice. It's going to be a while until I can own a gun, but when I can I will look into part kits and Prexis. How does mental math come into play?
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 10:17 PM
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I agree with you. I meant that most people don't buy a .50 caliber rifle when they're thinking about safety. For the average person (apartment or house in a neighborhood) it's just impractical and awkward.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 10:08 PM
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That situation actually happened before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsAMSQ13bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evuny3wW-7w you're not ready with your little pistol and you're already an arm down. You know there are people that conceal carry loaded guns without safeties? Not hard to believe that someone could keep a loaded handgun in a drawer.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 10:06 PM
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Those are my thoughts too. I enjoy shooting, I enjoy the wide variety of guns, and I'm planning on buying a truckload of guns, but if I could choose, I would rather they didn't exist. I don't hate guns as much as I hate the possible damage that can be done with them: Even if everyone around me is carrying, people are not constantly thinking about threats. The moment they turn around, I can shoot 3 people before they respond. If one of the guys at my range felt like it, he could've killed us all …
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:59 PM
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Why is self-defense not a valid reason? You can't paint all guns with a broad stroke. Some lean more towards self-defense, some are highly impractical for self defense and are recreational. This is only recreational. This is easily self-defense or recreational.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:47 PM
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Well that's a different discussion entirely. I just want people to really think about guns you know. I'm not too focused on whether a person is an anti-gunner or not. But I want them to have thought things through and at least be able to unload a gun. I'm all for guns but I'm also all for rigorous background checks. There has to be some kind of a check system. This is a fun discussion. I mean this seriously. It's a mix of statistics, psychology, and group behavior. My opinion? There's a lot of g…
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:36 PM
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You should also know how to see if a safety is on, and how to put the gun in a position that visibly shows it is not loaded. A cheap, basic, one or two hour firearms course can teach you this. This is the most important thing I learned. Especially if you're anti-gun, you should be able to unload and pull back the slide. I honestly feel worried when I realize that If I had found a handgun laying around I would have struggled to unload it.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:29 PM
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Honestly I love the idea of long-range shooting. I'm not sure how to express my thoughts, but I see it as a question of "how in touch am I with reality." I see a target and I imagine/want a bullet to go through it. Now can I go out and do that? This is why I really like technical sports (soccer), instruments (guitar), and even engineering. It's all about reaching a desired output through a solid understanding of reality. How did you start making guns? Do you have any books or videos to recommend…
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:22 PM
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I never knew that; it makes perfect sense though. I see it like this: a man should be able to protect his family. Whether that's his wife and kids or his grandma. I'd rather have my son visit me in prison than be at the mercy of a burgular.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:14 PM
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There is no direct connection. I could find one (guns may be a good date), but it's an offtopic post. I'll let the mods decide whether it's valuable enough to stay or not.
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 09:08 PM
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I've always found affirmative action funny. Someone says minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crimes? That is because of social status not race. Poor, low income people commit crimes because of poverty and lack of education/opportunity. Race doesn't matter. Someone says minorities struggle to go to college and escape bad environments? That is because of their race. Instead of creating general scholarships for extremely low income people or people from the slums, let's create scholoarsh…
/r/TheRedPill26/08/15 07:38 PM
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Leave. Find a girl with a small vagina. most definitely be downgraded to a plate. horrible idea. lack of abundance mentality.
/r/askTRP26/08/15 01:47 AM
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It depends. Probably the happiest times of my life involve men; in high school that was a soccer and cross country retreat. Says were spent playing soccer, running, and videogames. Recently it's been talking and studying with men. Both sexes provide something the other cannot. For platonic relationships, people usually prefer their own gender. For romantic the other gender. Also, men are not less social than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 10:33 PM
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If this what FRs become, the quality on this sub will go down the toilet.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 11:30 PM
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They explain it was a guy who's " blond, red shirt, blue jeans and a backpack." You had a receipt and you didn't fit the description. Not much for an FR. FR's are red pill examples. Something unique or arising as a result of TRP's message.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 10:36 PM
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Since 18 is just a number, why not find someone in your own age range with a young spirit? 18 is not just a number.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 03:37 PM
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https://youtu.be/wknywxfcE5M?t=58
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 03:08 PM
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This is not Western?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 12:24 PM
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Yeah I get that it was kind of half jokingly said. Although there are some people that truly think he's shit. Personally I'd put Mayer at a 6/10. Not good enough to be remembered like Hendrix or Bob Dylan, but he's a good artist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 03:23 AM
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Stage presence and music =/= Personality and behavior elevator music If it means anything, I've played guitar for 10 years now and Mayer is a great blues guitarist. The man knows his stuff. He's no SRV or Gary Moore, but he's good. It annoys me when people hate on him just to; he's better at his career than most people will ever be at theirs. He has done a lot of boring pop stuff which people like to make fun off, but his good stuff is pretty good. Where the Light Is" is a decent live album. edi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 03:12 AM
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Nope. I would say the peak was around this time and the subsequent disco era.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 03:06 AM
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and I haven't met an incel black man. How exactly would you meet one? Unless you live in a black community or pay attention to every black you see, you're not going to notice them. Are millennials not having sex anymore? I can only speak about my experiences. This image expresses my thoughts best. Women have more opportunities to fuck than ever. The hustle is harder than before and today's young men are simply ill equipped. Childrens show's, teachers, and parents, have done their best to stomp m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 03:00 AM
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So why not skip video games and go straight to the dopamine source? Why not hook yourself up to heroin and chase the dragon? I know that isn't your point, but I just want to show that we usually separate pleasure from a balanced and healthy life. No one is speaking out against drinking a beer now and then or playing an 3-4 hours of video games a week per week. But there is merit to the argument that video games are often substitutes for reality. I absolutely watching soccer, but given the opport…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/15 02:43 AM
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How do you differentiate between a natural alpha walking up to a group of girls vs. a self made alpha walking up to a group of girls? You can't. Look at the context of my words: people in a relationship. A woman telling her man to be dominant is being dominant. If her man listens to her, he isn't completely dominant; he is just listening to his wife. When his wife says "I don't want you to be dominant anymore" he's going to stop. She is in control of his behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 10:41 PM
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It's a slim chance. You're acting like I said aliens are on earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 10:17 PM
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I hope to god you're joking or being sarcastic. Squirt guns Fake gun and real gun If you point a replica of a gun at someone, that is no different from pointing a real gun at them. It is a threat. The difference between fakes is very slim It depends on whether that squirt gun is a neon green water gun or a fake replica.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 10:12 PM
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The point isn't about objects vs. humans. It's about the possible danger and safeguarding oneself. Doesn't matter whether than danger comes from an inanimate object or a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 09:58 PM
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More from people recognizing a person through their voice. It's a slim chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 09:57 PM
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debating with real voices is more efficient than debating on a forum. Vocaroo is imperfect, but it'd be interesting to try a thread where people only post though audio links. Although there is a chance of doxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 09:15 PM
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Do gun owners actually think all guns are loaded? Well AWALT has never been about all women actually being like that. It's a heuristic. And that study, actually strengthens my belief in the usefulness of repeating AWALT. have discovered that about half of all people have a gene that makes them more vulnerable to promiscuity and cheating. Learning that people have a gene rather than make the choice to cheat is much more worrying actually. AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 09:04 PM
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Ahh I see what you mean then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 09:01 PM
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Not in your circumstances; as you've said, your man doesn't like control. Only real way to test it would be dating a naturally dominant and confident guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:17 PM
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That doesn't change my point: possibility =/= probability. Both types of women exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:08 PM
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I've never browsed RPW, so I don't know what they say. I'm just saying: dominant behavior that has been requested is not dominant behavior; it is submissive. It wasn't a fair experiment. A fair experiment would've been you dating a naturally dominant guy or your current SO deciding to take control, running things, and you still feeling unloved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:53 PM
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Net result, he became frustrated and confused and I felt unloved. Obviously the relationship did not collapse into the sea just because of a little ripple- but I tried to report on this as faithfully as possible, as well as follow the advice from RP affiliated persons. Trying to live red for a month did not in any way make me more sexually desirable by his behaviour. He liked the smudgy panda eye goth look I affected- but not so much that it changed his overall perception of me. Not exactly a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:41 PM
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Nope. Closing has been my sticking point. I made out with Nirvana girl and she's dating someone else now. Grandma sweaters was insulted, maybe i wasn't handsome enough to be that cocky, etc. so nothing came out of that. If you want something you have never had, you must be willing to do something you have never done." It's basically just a shotgun shell strategy. At the beginning try a wide range of different things. Find what behavior gives you the most success and optimize. These types of line…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:51 PM
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Doesn't really matter what I sound like tbh. What matters is results. If I get laid I keep it; if I go home alone, I change and find what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 02:50 PM
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Ehh personally, those comments disgust me. Sounds almost like buying friends. I would rather die alone and have no one remember me or even notice my death than shack up with a broad who sees only a paycheck. OP you have to look at the bias in that advice. Do you think any of those women are married to interesting, active, and personable men? Or are they married to the bald, 9-5 man, who comes home, drinks beer, and passes out. The people giving you advice have already made their choice. Thus the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 02:45 PM
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Many things are possible. It's possible to find a woman that gets off on being violently beaten. The question is how probable is it to find such a woman. Yes it's possible. No I doubt it's the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 01:12 PM
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"I like your sweater... my grandma has one just like that." Saw a girl with a nirvana shirt: "Nirvana sucks. They only had two good songs" It's all about tone and environment. Push and pull. Push: "yes I think your taste in music sucks." She yells or goes on a rant Pull: "it's nice that you have an opinion though. Most people just listen to whatever" Generally disregard women and make them work for your attention; make them qualify themselves. Don't try to please them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:13 AM
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Well you'll have to explain it to me. The phrase toxic masculinity is akin to toxic humanity. Every set of beliefs or ideals has the potential to be toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 10:40 PM
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What's the point of othering women from one pedestal of positivity to othering them on a pedestal of negativity? Easier access to casual sex with attractive women? Toxic This word is often used, but I've yet to see any convincing arguments for how it's toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 10:28 PM
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Depends on the subject. There is the message (core trp) and what you do with that message (marriage, mgtow, plates, etc.) Applications of the message vary from user to user. Things outside of the message generally vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:13 PM
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The word misogyny is now used in multiple ways: hatred of women belief that women are different from men treating women without privelege You have to realize that your experiences are not those of every man. The women I hook up with from parties and cold approaches, I simply could not meet online or through Tinder. Many red pillers are frustated at the "game", but why do you think they hate women? Personally, after the all work I had to put in to get where I am, I no longer respect women. I view…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:08 PM
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I would happily, meaning I would pay to, sleep with 10s and be considered a douchebag or scum by men. how men see you Respect and the opinion of men really does not matter. There will always be men who hold similar views to me. or how women see you? Only insofar as it improves my ability to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:15 AM
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You think Rodgers rampage was caused or related to what he read online or his inability to talk to/date women? You think every RP gets laid? Every one who swallows the pill is able to get laid; ability does differ. A tall blonde dude vs. a short asian are in completely different worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:13 AM
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No, but we're not just looking at her pussy. There's a reason why men ask how many people she's had sex with rather than how many times she has had sex. Do you honestly think there is no difference between the girl that has been in two relationships and fucked two men versus the girl that has had hooked up with 16 men?
/r/TheRedPill20/08/15 01:10 AM
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When she wants to get laid, she walks up to a random guy and says "Hi my name is Anna would you like to grab coffee?" That is a different world from the average girl. No it is not. There is larger supply of men looking to get laid, than there is a supply of women looking for casual sex. Men are less picky too. When the average woman just asks random strangers out, she is going to get better responses than the average man doing the same, without any game or personality. Despite that, some realiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:08 AM
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And this is why I consider myself purple pill and not red. Well you have to weigh TRP against it's target audience and how effective that would be. If you know you're an outlier, you can't just say "TRP doesn't work for me, so it's false." Generalizations, by definition, are going to have exceptions. There are almost no universal traits or ideas that can be applied to all humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:05 AM
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well Elliot Rodgers didnt actually get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:58 AM
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. I like being the breadwinner in my relationship, and I'd rather be the captain, thanks. I surround myself with like-minded people who fit nicely with my worldview. There are women who get off on being violently beaten or even pissed on. Individuals doesn't matter; what matters is population. Do you think most women hold the same views as you? Do you think women would be as aroused as men at the thought of their man having dinner made for them when they come home? I reject the role RP says I sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:49 AM
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What do you mean by manipulation? Do you mean outright lying about a committed relationship or something else? character projections The halo effect is very real. My point with that examle is simply that, people do not experience the same reality. The male model has no need for TRP. When he wants to get laid, he walks up to a random girl and says "Hi my name is Tod would you like to grab coffee?" That is a different world from the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:43 AM
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Why is that outcome preferred? Kind of irreverent, but let's say it's a biological drive (sex). And if one's personal experiences are not the norm, can they be used as evidence for the nature of the majority of humanity? Only if the experiences are shared rather than limited to oneself. It's important to realize that humans do not live in the same reality. The service a male model going to grocery store or going to a restaurant are greatly different from the service an overweight neckbeard recei…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:24 AM
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equal right to the opportunity to be healthy and happy, as long as what makes them happy does not infringe upon another human's right to be happy. How do you justify this belief as someone who (i assume) lives in the western world. Many of the things around us come from other people suffering. 5) Why is it so hard to admit what many people on your side, or even yourself, get wrong? Such as? We may just not see it as wrong; it may fit all of our experiences and help us reach a preferred outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 11:31 PM
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Because everyone who has fucked another person was a fuck buddy in one way or another. Do relationships not exist? Or do you consider that extended fuck buddies?
/r/TheRedPill19/08/15 11:26 PM
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I'll edit the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 10:21 PM
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What does this have to do with mgtow? If you're going to parody TRP, then this would be an example of abundance mentality; i.e. not settling for less than you want. You're just spouting buzzwords mate. The equivalent of a fart joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:05 PM
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Ok I see what you mean, so I'll answer your question now. why are guns more like women than toothpicks? I've never known or read about anyone who died from toothpick. I know a few men and have read stories of men being deeply hurt or exploited by women. If I randomly grab 10 men, I have little doubt at least 1 of them has had a negative experience with women or knows someone who has. If I grab 1000 people, I don't think I'll find someone who has been seriously hurt by toothpick or knows someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:22 PM
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Trp men in this sub would prefer a literally retarded 7 over a genius 6, apparently.. You are deliberately misrepresenting our point. For casual sex, that is putting your dick in a hole, we do not care how smart a person is or what their achievements are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:13 PM
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why are guns not similar to toothpicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:11 PM
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It's said a lot. The top two rules of gun safety: Every gun is loaded Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy. Look at the effects of believing #1: Hands are always off the trigger Gun is never ever pointed at someone Guns are not thrown or hit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:11 PM
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I don't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:07 PM
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It's really not about them being loaded or not. It's about the fact that the outcomes of assuming every gun is loaded are better than the outcomes of believing "guns are generally not loaded. The goal is not truth. The goal is applicability and outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:06 PM
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Almost every gun owner I've shot with or talked to. I've never ever met a gun owner who said "wait a minute, that's just false. not every gun is loaded. you're spouting b.s." Everyone with a brain, understands the usefulness of this assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:05 PM
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Women cannot harm or hurt someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:04 PM
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why not "guns are generally loaded"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:38 PM
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Exactly. Evolution did not plan for contraceptives. If it did men and women wouldn't be able to stay aroused with condoms or birth control.
/r/askTRP17/08/15 09:19 PM
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Can you show me the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:15 PM
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Viagra doesn't make men want to fuck fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 02:55 PM
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edgy Not in the slightest. That's been a common phrase for decades if not a millenia. If your immeditate interpretation is that he beats his wife rather than that he doesn't allow his wife to misbehave, you should head somewhere else. His meaning is clear as day. Go tone police elsewhere.
/r/askTRP17/08/15 03:51 AM
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I would agree with that. Look into anyones beliefs, mine included, an you'll fine hypocrisy. I just wanted to present a response to the viewpoint that TRP is just men hating women or TRP is men just blindly refusing to see women as equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:51 PM
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Anyway, thank you for the kind discussion. My problem is not with people avoiding promiscuous men.My problem is with hypocrisy among feminists and sex positive people. If I failed to convince you of my points, that is fine. I hope I at least provided a different perspective and showed you the motivations for red pill philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:41 PM
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I have no problem with your personal beliefs or with you avoiding promiscuous men. You said women were more emotional not me "While I do think there are women who can have sex with no emotional attachment, I think it is something men are more likely to engage in with no emotional hangover. I think a much larger portion of women feel emotional attachment when having sex." Is the logical conclusion of that point, not that women are more emotional than men with regards to dating/sex? You said women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:37 PM
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On the most common definition and usage of the word sexism: ingrained and institutionalized prejudice against or hatred of women; misogyny. So hordes of feminists told you that you were sexist because you think some women have a more difficult time having casual sex that men? If I went onto any major subreddit: /r/relationships, /r/TwoXChromosomes, /r/AskWomen , etc. And I said that women are more emotional than men; women cannot easily separate sex from feelings. I would be called a misogynist …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:27 PM
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I said some women, not all women. Here are your original words: While I do think there are women who can have sex with no emotional attachment, I think it is something men are more likely to engage in with no emotional hangover. I think a much larger portion of women feel emotional attachment when having sex. It doesn't have to be all women. It just has to be you believing that more women than men are unable to separate sex and emotions. That belief contradicts many feminist and sex-positive ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:16 PM
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I am sure you can logically understand that nothing will happen and continue the platonic relationship, but the OP and his FWB did not even really have a friendship. Source? Well I don't know that I am necessarily sex "positive" because I do not know your definition. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't believe sex effects women the same way it does men. He did not like her enough to want to spend much non sexual time with her so your situation is vastly different. Is it really? Let's say my s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:07 PM
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I suppose I do not understand why you are super butt hurt about everybody assuming he was an opportunistic asshole. You've ignored my point and are changing the subject. I have not made any comments about my opinion on OP's situation. Personally, I don't care; he was honest with her. From a logical perspective, my motivations do not matter at all. What matters is whether my points are valid and my logic is sound. Is he not a TRP field report dream come true? I just think it's hypocritical of peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:01 PM
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How would she hurting him further? She has legitimately shown him pictures of men she is sleeping with. If you think it is possible to: Want a relationship Understand that a relationship will not occur Enjoy having sex with someone Want to have sex, whilst understanding a relationship will not occur. Then how is she hurting him? The only way is if she lies about commitment; if she implies that sex could lead to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:43 PM
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I think it's not the case in this particular situation based on the words of the woman involved. Her words where point 1. "Want a relationship". There is nothing else she said to signify that she is trying to sleep her way into a relationship. No, dude, stop trying to tell me what I think This is the logical conclusion of your viewpoints. Either misogyny or belief that humans cannot mix sex and emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:41 PM
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Sure. And the "hot girl" should be aware of his feelings and attempt to not hurt them further. She has said a relationship will not occur. She has shown the nerd pictures of men she is also sleeping with. She has even had the nerd speak with another man she is sleeping with. Has the nerd not been given enough information to decide for himself? To make an informed decision: I like sex with her and understand a relationship will never occur. I will continue sex with her. I like sex, but I feel too…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:36 PM
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Then you think the following is impossible: Want a relationship Understand that a relationship will not occur Enjoy having sex with someone Want to have sex, whilst understanding a relationship will not occur. I don't get what you're not understanding. You do not think it's possible for a person to have multiple motivations? That one motivation overrides all others? That people cannot separate emotional desire from sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:34 PM
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It is very possible to want a relationship, understand the relationship will not occur, enjoy the sex, and enjoy the sex, want to have sex while understanding the relationship will not occur because she was doing all that. Thank you for admitting this. Quite a few posters continued to say that Doing all that is what people who have no self respect or self esteem do, it is destructive. Why is that? You are making broad assumptions about people's nature and whether or not they would be hurt by suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:31 PM
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it's not "I just really like sex/you're just really attractive". This is the assumption you are making. There are two possible options: I just really like sex/you're just really attractive. I can set aside my feelings for a pleasurable encounter. I am having sex, because I think you will date me. Even though you said otherwise, I think sex will change your mind. I cannot set aside my feelings for sex. You have no other information about OP's FWB. Choosing option 2 over option 1 is an assumption.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:25 PM
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Who said that the woman in OP's story couldn't consent to sex? Consent = rationally make a decision. People are saying the woman only wants sex, because she thinks sex => relationship. People do not believe that the woman wants sex, because she enjoys it and wants sexual pleasure. Nobody's said any of that about the girl, either. Yes they have. Posters said that the girl is lying to her self; that she secretly thinks if she continues to have sex with OP, OP will want to date her. Clearly "the ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:17 PM
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she is explicitly sleeping with him to keep him around because she has feelings for him. This is your assumption right here: she is sleeping with him solely because of her feelings. She is not sleeping with him because she enjoys sex, she finds OP attractive, and she wants to have sex with him. Tell me how you choosing the first over the second is not an assumption? Do not backtrack to her saying she has feelings for OP. As I just wrote before, it's logically possible for a person to have feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:15 PM
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She is clearly having sex with him deluded by the idea that he is going to change her mind. How do you know that? This is either an assumption about: Women's nature Human's nature. You are saying that it's impossible for a person to: Want a relationship Understand that a relationship will not occur Enjoy having sex with someone Want to have sex, whilst understanding a relationship will not occur. This is the logical conclusion of your words: Anyone who wants to have sex with a person that they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:12 PM
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But she didn't. Quoting from the OP here: "She said yes but did state that she wished we were together. I then asked her if she's ok with this just so she doesn't lose me and she said "yes it's better than not seeing me at all"." How does that conflict anything I've said. Is it impossible for a person to: Want a relationship Understand that a relationship will not occur Enjoy having sex with someone Want to have sex, whilst understanding a relationship will not occur. You are assuming that it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:08 PM
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I'm not making a broad statement about women in general, I'm saying in that situation I'd tell either of them it's a bad idea to keep fucking. Yes you are. OP has told his FWB a relationship will never occur. OP had his FWB speak with another woman he is sleeping with. Showing her he does not want a relationship. Because she flat-out told him that she wants more than just sex. But does that mean that she does not want sex? Does that mean that she does not understand a relationship will not occur…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:58 PM
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Would people believe that the nerd could not consent to sex? Would people say that even though the nerd says he: understands a relationship will never occur he stills wants to sleep with her because he enjoys sex The nerd cannot make a decision? Would people say that the nerd is secretly trying to sleep into a relationship? That the nerd cannot solely enjoy sex without secretly hoping for a relationship? This is the crux of my argument. It's what decides whether this is pure misogyny or a belief…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:54 PM
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Starting a relationship will make you happier but also most certainly make you suffer (unless it is you who dies or breaks up) thus you should do MGTOW. The difference is a person makes that decision. People do not decide on a relationship for others. The avoidance of suffering should not go in to the way of experiencing pleasure for it is much more valuable and suffering can be overcome and forgotten. I completely agree. People should not and cannot avoid suffering. To grow as human being, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:51 PM
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But we already know she doesn't want just the sex, and she even states that she just wants to keep him around for as long as possible. How do we know that? Did I miss a comment where OP said his FWB said that. If not, you are making a broad assumption about women's ability to choose. That is what defines sexism. Nobody's saying that, they're saying that it's a bad idea to continue having a FWB relationship with someone if you have feelings and they don't, or vice versa This is where I may be wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:45 PM
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For example: Nerd is sleeping with a cheerleader Nerd likes cheerleader Cheerleader tells nerd a relationship will not occur Cheerleader has nerd speak with her other FWBs Nerd says he understands and still wants sex You're telling me posters in that thread would make the same comments about the nerd? They would say that the nerd is secretly hoping for a relationship? That the cheerleader is abusing him? The nerd cannot decide for himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:42 PM
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If people in that thread, generally believe that humans cannot continue to have sex with someone they have feelings for without getting hurt or regretting it, then there is no sexism. If that belief is limited to women, then there is sexism. So just to be clear in this specific case, I thought she did not have good boundaries or agency. Why? You do not have any information about the FWB's personality or behavior. All you know is that OP has clearly told her that a relationship will not occur. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:38 PM
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You have not answered my question. How is someone being used for sex in OP's scenario? It's what I did when a previous FWB started asking me to go out with him when I wasn't at all interested - I didn't want to give him the wrong idea, so I stopped inviting him over. In OP's scenario he explicitly told his FWB a relationship will not occur. He had her speak with another one of his FWBs. OP's FWB still decided that she wants to have sex with him. Why is it hard to believe that she could understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:29 PM
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Would you offer the same advice to woman sleeping with a man that likes her? Or would you believe that the man could understand that she will never want a relationship with him, but still want sex with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:26 PM
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1 - If the guy told her that he wasn't interested in relationship, then she's clearly trying to "project" the guy into a relationship. Just let it go, my love. How can you say that without knowledge of the woman and her personality? Why do you believe that she cannot rationally make the decision that: yes I understand a relationship will not occur, but I like having sex and want to have sex with him. 2 - Once again, if she has been upfront with him about not wanting to commit, then it's going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 02:24 PM
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1 The /r/releationship thread strongly implies that people would think the jock is abusing the girl; even if he has told the girl he will never had a relationship with her. 2 I'm assuming that people would believe that a guy is comfortable having sex with a hot woman he wants a relationship with, but who will not commit to him. Is that a fair assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:50 AM
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money and gifts make more sense from the reverse perspective, due to natural differences in sex drive. They do. But if a female said she told a man there will never relationship and she had the man speak to her boyfriend and lovers (what OP did with his FWB), but the man still wants to give her gifts, /r/relationships probably wouldn't call her abusive. I'm already red. I actually came here looking for holes in my beliefs, but PPD has confirmed it in many ways haha. Once you truly start to analy…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:46 AM
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A woman's agency (or man's agency; while that's not your question, it is very much in my wheelhouse) is dependent upon themselves. You're dancing around my question. Individuals, through their words and actions, can show that they lack agency. However when we know nothing about a person, we assume that they have agency. People know nothing about OP's FWB, yet they assume she has no agency (she cannot decide for himself/her words cannot be trusted). If they assume that the nerd, someone in an equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:29 AM
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My thoughts exactly. I'm laughing and almost saddened. This is the definition of sexism and misogyny. Those women are legitimately removing agency of OP's FWB. they are literally saying that the woman is too emotional to have any agency at all. The sex is not consensual, he is "using her." Exactly! These same people claim to be feminists and sex postive, yet they do not believe women can simply enjoy sex. They believe women are more emotional than men, and women cannot make a decision. even when…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:00 AM
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So in your personal life, do you not try to make your morals fit? Or do you decide x is moral without caring about whether it contradicts with your believes about y?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:54 AM
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... Crazy is coming. I agree with you, but my beliefs, by definition, are sexist. I do not think men and women are equal. I just found it funny that a group of people who are largely feminist and sexist can hold such misogynistic views. They basically said, OP's FWB cannot consent to sex with someone that she likes. Even though she says otherwise, she is unable to understand that OP will never date her. OP is abusing and using her. However in the nerd/cheerleader scenario, I highly doubt the res…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:52 AM
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Well it's not about a morals being logical. It's about the morals that a persons decides to adopt not contradicting each other. For example: Steve believes humans should not be discriminated against. Steve believes blacks are unintelligent, violent, and should be seperated from society. Would you point out the contradiction? Or is your belief that each moral belief is a separate entity and contradictions that occur when grouped together do not matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:40 AM
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I'm arguing from the standpoint of metaethical moral relativism. I think all morals have subjective motivations behind them, and none of them are objectively correct. That does not conflict the idea of moral views being consistent or moral views contradictory moral views. For example: I believe that humans should not be harmed without proper justification (self defense). I believe it's ok for a man to punch his wife for no reason. My 2nd viewpoint contradicts viewpoint 1. But to me, they're all …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:31 AM
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In the thread OP said that he specifically told his FWB that there is not going to be relationship. He also had his FWB speak with another one of the women he's sleeping with, so that she knows there is not going to be relationship. OP's FWB has been told all of this but she still wants a sexual relationship with OP. Commenters said that OP's FWB does not understand this and she cannot consent. Either this is misogyny (denying women agency) or they just don't humans in general can consent. Consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:09 AM
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Do you understand what I've said about morality/ethics discussions? It's very lengthy and difficult to try to convince someone to adopt or reject a moral belief(s). It's much easier to: Look at their existing moral beliefs. Argue that belief x is logical conclusion of their existing beliefs. Argue that belief y logically conflicts their existing beliefs. Does this make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:59 AM
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Remember, initially the guy said he'd never actually had a conversation with the girl and just assumed she knew they'd never be together because ~ reasons ~. He's a douche bag. Take a look at the update. In this thread OP mentions talking to his FWB and telling her a relationship will never occur. In one of his comments, he talked about having her speak with another one of his FWBs to show her that he will not commit to her. OP said that his FWB still wanted to continue seeing him and having sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:56 AM
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I'm not making any claims. I'm not presenting my views. I assumed that you had moral beliefs and I found a possible contradiction. Are immoral actions not the ones our consciousness chooses to label immoral? This boils down to objective vs. subjectivity morality, but I'll say yes. How does that relate to my argument? Do you have moral views or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:48 AM
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The 90s called, they want their morality back. /s On a serious note what's your opinion of the responses in that thread? Would you consider them misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:33 AM
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Thank you. I'm very excited to read intelligent people explore vague ideas that i've had.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:32 AM
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Consciousness is a marker of choice, ability to avoid immoral actions. For the sake of our discussion, my moral views do not matter. I'm not trying to convince you of my moral views. I'm trying to convince you that your moral views contradict a belief that childbirth is good. If you hold no moral views, our discussion is basically over. My only response is "ok, have a nice night." But if you believe that it is immoral to make a decision that could directly harms someone, without their consent, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:31 AM
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The difference is humans have a higher consciousness and humans have choice. Babies are generally a choice. As for the nature of life, I'm simply talking about the fact that people have babies. Everything has babies or procreates in some way, shape, or form. Do you think it's immoral for Lion to kill another Lion? Is it immoral for a Lion to take another Lions food? I assume you think it's immoral for a human to kill another human or take a human's food. Childbirth, like food, is biological driv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:17 AM
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By your own personal subjective and self contradictory definition of morality. I'm not basing my argument off my own definition of morality. I took a moral view which most people hold (that I think /u/chasingstatues also holds) and argued that it contradicts his beliefs about childbirth. The logical conclusion is: /u/chasingstatues disregards or alters his moral beliefs he concludes child birth is wrong. If /u/chasingstatues doesn't hold the moral belief that I assumed then my argument is pointl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:12 AM
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Who cares about bandwagon morals? Because unless you have all day, it's much easier to make a moral argument based of a person's existing moral values than it is to convince them of different set of values. But just because an ideology exists doesn't suddenly turn it into something objective. It remains a subjective, but widely shared, belief. My morality is no more correct than anyone else's, because it's all belief, and therefore is irrelevant. That's not my point. I'm not nor have I argued fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:07 AM
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ciroan said ligotti I didn't know others shared my views. I've always been told I'm an edgy teenager who will change when I get older. What writers and books do you recommend?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:59 AM
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Or is a child the same to you as a fetus? Because I can explain the difference, if you're confused. Where do you draw the line? Why would painlessly killing a 1 day old baby be wrong, but aborting a 23 week old fetus is not wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:57 AM
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That's besides the point. On a personal level: I support abortion, euthanization, and a person's right to suicide. I'm just saying there is a logical basis for anti-abortion outside of punishing women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:50 AM
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Read my response below. Hate to break it to you but everything we do every day has posible negative outcomes for somebody and it happens without their consent. Every action you take has the potential to créate unforseen consecuences. Yes. You can find a relationship between all human actions. However humans generally think there is a difference between: A driver staring at a runner and getting into an accident. A laser pointer being pointed at a driver and the driver gets into an accident. Would…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:49 AM
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I'm not making a comprehensive moral argument. I took a moral principle that is generally held by people which contradicts peoples decisions to have kids. It is immoral to make decisions that potentially harm others without consulting them. Am I wrong to assume that this is a common moral view? Morality is subjective. I'm assuming you hold certain moral values or beliefs, I can use to make my argument. I don't get why anyone would complain about the nature of life. That is a very short-sighted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:45 AM
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Using a person for sex implies sex under a false pretense (promise of a relationship for example). Here are a few possibilities: My understanding of "using someone" is flawed. Two people having sex are not in the same position. People can be used during consensual sex. The 2nd possibility contradicts a lot of the ideas around sex positivity. Having sex with someone and using someone for sex are two different concepts. How are people used for sex? Ignoring nonconsenual sex. When two people consen…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:38 AM
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Do you think a contract should be honored if the signatory is under duress or is not able to make a rational decision (intoxication, underage, etc.)? If you do, then you cannot argue that people are able to rationally decide whether or not to kill themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:33 AM
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In every other faucet of life: if there is a chance that someone could be harmed by an action, even if the action has a chance of benefiting them, it is immoral to act unless you have their consent. Child birth is no different. Just because there are positive outcomes doesn't mean it is a moral action. The [1] chance of a negative outcome and [2] not having consent, are what make it immoral. I'm glad I was born and I'm very glad that many of the people in my life were born. Yes. But if you were …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:30 AM
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It's an askreddit thread not the dialogues of Plato. I think I'll be fine if I miss out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:17 AM
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Their own fault. Is it your own fault that you want: water, food, sex, or social interaction? Unless you coded your own DNA and genes it is hardly their fault. Their own fault. Don't blame the parents for following their own biological imperative. As a virtue of being human, they legitimately cannot make an unbiased decision to commit suicide. They're not starting from 0 and going to 100. They're starting from -100 and need to go to 100. This is why contracts signed when drunk or intoxicated are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:16 AM
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I didn't see the update. the way are a mod? Nope. Just someone who doesn't feel like skimming a large thread. Readers are lazy; writers need to make things interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:11 AM
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Not exactly. In a practical sense: it's difficult to find a painless solution. From a biological perspective: humans have a self-defense mechanism; violating that mechanism is very very difficult. There are many absolutely miserable people that would struggle to kill themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:09 AM
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When starting a thread, you should initiate a discussion: select quotes, raise a question, challenge a viewpoint, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:07 AM
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I take the position that it is never ethical, even if the child's life may turn out well. I can agree with that. Just because an unethical decision has positive affects, doesn't mean the initial decision is ethical. There is no guarantee that your child will be happy or have a successful life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:59 AM
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Abortion is a gender issue, because it really only affects the health of one gender. To prove it's a gender issue, you must isolate gender as the reason for people's disagreement with abortion. Examples of gender issues: women cannot drive a car women cannot leave home without a chaperone women cannot vote Those are all because of gender. They claim it's murder, but they don't do much to help the kid once they're born. Face it, it's about punishing women for sex, for the most part. You are assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:58 AM
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for their sake, stop fucking them. Regardless of whether or not they say that they want sex? I would Doesn't the idea of using someone for sex conflict sex positivity? Assuming two things: [1] both parties want sex, [2] no party has implied or promised commitment. How is any party using the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:49 AM
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And there are women who really question that whole vaccination thing. But vaccination is not viewed as women's or men's issue. It's not viewed as misandry or sexism. Abortion is commonly viewed as a women's issue and sexism. Women who disagree with vaccination are a minory. A large percentage of women disagree with abortion. These aren't scientific studies but they do push back against the statement that abortion is gender issue: http://www.lifenews.com/2011/09/15/cnn-poll-62-want-all-or-most-ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:39 AM
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I'm a redpiller and I agree with you. There is nothing special about childbirth. Short of taking a life, having children is the most selfish thing a person can do. You are creating a person that will have thoughts, feelings, wants, and desires for decades. They will feel immense pain and immense pleasure. As someone who had an alienating and depressing childhood, I would rather not have been born. The only circumstances where I could see myself having a kid are if I can increase the human's chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:33 AM
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Their response or argument is basically that OP's FWB doesn't have agency... He can agree with me because of feels and still be right. He can also agree with me because of feels and be wrong. The question is whether or not he agrees with a truth that makes him feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:27 AM
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Continuing a platonic relationship with someone is not "leading them on". Do you think continuing a sexual relationship with someone is leading on? Especially when you have explicitly said a relationship will never occur? This guy[1] got the I don't think people said that that guy was being abused or used by a woman did they? If a woman made a thread about an fwb who had feelings for her and said that she told him no relationship would occur. Would people still say she is using him for sex?Or wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:24 AM
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Like when we closed down all those abortion clinics? Societal/ethical issue not a women's issues. Many women are opposed to abortions Here is an example of a women's health vs. men's health issue. Is that why jobs where women excel vs men, such as working with children, and emotional/mental health support are underfunded, How is that specifically targetting women? It's a job where women excel at, but how are women's interests being ignored? This is a case of supply/demand and consumer choice. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:19 AM
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I don't think it's conscious sexism, but a manifestation of the "women are wonderful" effect. I agree, but some of those comments (made by women) are shocking. Women are removing agency from other women. They are literally saying: Women do not know what they want; women don't know themselves. Women cannot enjoy a sexual relationship with someone they have feelings for whilst logically understanding that no relationship will occcur. Women cannot make decisions for themselves. OP should stop seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:14 AM
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what's the difference? Feelings have no effect on the truth. You can feel good or bad about a statement, but that does not effect the epistemic value of the statement. It's possible to feel bad about a truth, but recognize it as true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:09 AM
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shit fight The title is clickbait. I don't want to insult or fight people, but I definitely want a debate. Look at it this way, if men made the sames comments in a different topic women would be (justifiably) very angry. It's very sexist and removes agency from women. Only difference is that sexism, in this context, benefits women. Look at this comment: she's not OK with it. She's telling you that because if she told you that she wasn't, you'd probably break things off. Now imagine a man saying:…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:07 AM
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A paddle that leaves bruises is definitely kink/fetish territory, is not. That was my exact point... Choking, like spanking or hairpulling, is not inherently a kink. There is strangling and there is lightly pressing. In a discussion about dating and the general population which is most likely: I'm saying that women enjoy being heavily choked. Women like dominance and light choking. Similarly if someone said women like spanking do they mean: Women like being spanked until their bruised A firm sla…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 01:19 AM
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Your advice is just bad. Make yourself look attractive This is preliminary. It's a given; most people do this. Don't be overweight. Workout. Cut your hair. And dress well. Bonus points: learn charisma This is what I have repeatedly ask you to speak about. All you're saying is "learn to be charming". That's equivalent to Picasso saying "learn to draw well" rather than giving specific steps and instruction. Find girls who are giving you signals Find girls that are already attracted to you... This …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 12:27 AM
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I'm considering disregarding your posts. Yep. We're discussing a fetish (domination) Is kissing on the neck and collarbones a fetish? Is hair pulling a fetish? You understood my words in the worst way possible. Choking alone is not a fetish any more than spanking is a fetish. There is light choking (just having your hands around a neck) and there is suffocating someone. There is slapping an ass and there is taking out a paddle. I was not talking about the kink scene. A majority of people aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 12:23 AM
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So your dating advice is essentially this: only talk to women that are already attracted you there is nothing you can do to create attraction You're doing a poor job of arguing against acting asshole... This is why TRP strongly advises against taking dating advice from women. Women do not have to sell themselves. They do not have to approach. They can (and often do) have a healthy and full dating life by just dressing up, twirling their hair, and waiting for men to come. no amount of "game" will…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 12:15 AM
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Many, many men enjoy that (if not significantly more men than women it's at least an even number)- ask anyone in the kink scene. more men than women like to be dominated? and your source is the kink scene rather than regular sexual experiences with a normal population compared to people specifically interested in sex or in a fetish? Many, many men enjoy that Which doesn't mean much. It's all about proportions. Statistically what amount of men enjoy being dominated? What proportion of women enjoy…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 12:08 AM
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so basically approach girls that are already interested in you... that's not very useful and is rather pointless. if a girl is staring at you, playing with her hair, etc. Game is not required. Just don't mess it up. Go up to her, be confident, and talk. Approaching women that are already interested in you isn't the point of game... What I'm asking is how you talk to a girl that isn't giving you overt signs. What do you say, what actions do you take?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 12:00 AM
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Answer my question. How would you approach a woman at a house party, bar, club, whatever? Give me your non-dickish, non tryhard approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:50 PM
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people who are attractive and in demand, can do whatever they want. they can walk up to a girl and say "hi, how are you?" and the girl will be interested in them. fact of the matter is not everyone is attractive and in-demand. actually talking to women will be a step closer to getting laid. because he wasn't talking to women before? this is a poor point. When was the last time you approached women at a party or club environment? Seriously give me specific words or actions that you would do if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:44 PM
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how is it dickish? give me some specific actions or results that make it dickish. it's a great metaphor for male/female relationships; where the norm is that men are dominant and lead, whilst women are submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:42 PM
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what actions would the treatment entail? on another level, men =/= women. i don't like being choked or slapped, but i know many women that do. treating women like children is about leading and dealing with shit tests. it's a great metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:37 PM
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Treat her like a child Toxic TRP How is that toxic? Do you think people treat children badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:32 PM
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It's not simply about being horrible people. it's about giving people the tools to pursue their wants, their desires and letting them decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong. I don't cheat or lie about commitment/interest. I couldn't enjoy my life if did that. Some redpillers think sleeping with committed women is wrong. I don't care at all and don't avoid committed women; I actually tend to try harder with them just see how faithful people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:31 PM
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no it doesn't work. If it doesn't work why would men advocate it? If being an asshole led to going home alone, the advice wouldn't be repeated. For casual sex, being an asshole has better results than being nice or normal. Women like to be challenged and teased. It's all about a joking tone and body language. Don't insult them, but do not be nice to women. Example? Talking to a girl at a party or bar: "I like your sweater. My grandma has one like that" "I have something very important to tell yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:20 PM
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How does TRP advocate being horrible? What are some specific comments or suggestions?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:08 PM
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they're such common comments, they don't need to be individually linked. this thread isn't about common comments. it's about trp and comments/threads made in trp subreddit. Looking at the advice, there is some truth in the first quote "be an asshole to girls and you'll get laid lol" This definitely works. It's not my game, but I wouldn't blame a guy who struggles to get laid deciding to try it and being successful. Women encourage this type of behavior, by sleeping with guys who do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 11:05 PM
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-"Manipulate her with promises of commitment" -"Manipulate him with promises of sex" -"Threaten to leave her/him not because you plan to, but just to scare them into doing things for you. Haha, what a loser" -"Go out of your way to treat women like shit! They really get off on that!" (Reality: some might put up with it, because you're out of their league.) -"Go ahead and treat men like dogs/ATM's, they just looove cold bitches!" (Reality: some might put up with it, because you're out of their le…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 10:30 PM
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This is why you don't do steroids when you're 17. Stop cycling. Stop smoking. Go see a psychiatrist. Tell your parents about your anxiety and depression. College will not change things. Where ever you go, your mind will still be there. Just because you're surrounded by people doesn't mean you'll feel like going out or doing anything.
/r/TheRedPill15/08/15 04:01 AM
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Great story OP. If the Russian storybook is like this, I can understand why Russians are so masculine.
/r/TheRedPill15/08/15 03:55 AM
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"I'm not a slut. It's not my fault if we sleep together." It's just like a girl saying "We're not having sex tonight." or "I never do this." You can have sex that night; and this is the 100th time she has done it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 03:35 AM
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have you read his philosophy or his literature?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 01:12 AM
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is your name a reference to the philosopher or are you lucky enough to be named sartre?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 12:56 AM
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Ehh with 120,000 subscribers I'm surprised we don't have more posts like this. Everyone will comes across some fucked up shit once in a while. That's life.
/r/TheRedPill14/08/15 09:56 PM
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concern troll Before you use a buzzword, make sure you understand it. Concern trolling involves creating a thread; not commenting on a horrible thread. You and I know both know if you created this thread on TRP, it would be reported and deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:29 PM
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That's the funny thing, I actually agree with you. Feminism doesn't help men. I'm also a redpiller. It's just this is a really shitty way to start a discussion and challenge someone's views. Doesn't sound like you're here to debate; you're just here to sling mud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:20 PM
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You're just circle jerking at this point. You're in a debate forum. Post something substantive or go circlejerk elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:18 PM
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How can you expect anyone to respond seriously with such an aggressive tone? It's not that hard. You could've literally just wrote: "I don't think feminism helps men. How has feminism directly helped men?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:15 PM
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even though the husband has many things Chad doesn't. Such as what? Marriage, kids, and a relationship? Those are things that a majority of men can get. These things simply have the benefits and costs. Hubby has a wife and kids to go to, but his movement is limited. His kids and wife must come first. If not he'll face alimony, child support, and loss of assets. Chad is the best Chad is the best though. He has access to one of the most pleasurable parts of the husband's relationship without any o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:13 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 07:27 PM
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forcing Not in the slightest. I've said to all posters "this is my opinion let's agree to disagree." Personally, I see people devaluing themselves. Selling themselves for less than they're worth. But hey everybody has their own perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 07:17 PM
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I must hang around all Alphas. Either they're going after low hanging fruit (5s and 6s) or their game is crazy. Sleeping with 10% of every woman they talk to? He's getting a constant wife, mother of his kids, AND the option to stick his penis wherever he wants. Nothing is special about that. These are my individual beliefs, but he has simply not realized his value. A quality man's time and commitment is more valuable than a womans. There are more women who want to commit to Chad, than there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 07:06 PM
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I'm not saying she is ugly. I'm saying alphas have many options and high standards. I would bet good money she doesn't look as good at 27 as she did when she was 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 06:50 PM
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My point was never that guys do not pull nor that husbands will have trouble getting laid in an open relationship. He may be approaching 100 women and choosing 10. If he's sleeping with 10% of the women he approaches, he is either looks like a model or is one the best pick up artists in the world. This is assuming he is only approaching attractive women and not going after fat women, older women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 06:44 PM
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Husband is still having fun fucking around though. He's essentially doing the same thing Chad is. Chad's wife isn't going to leave and take half of his stuff. You know why? Chad has no wife. This is why I said I can understand swinging* when it's with a boyfriend/girlfriend or a man/plate. Why do you think that? If your wife in this scenario is bisexual then she may very well end up falling in love with Nancy. Possibility =/= Probability. We'll just have to agree to disagree here. It's possible …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 06:15 PM
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Bribe her away.. The guy tried ultimatums, love confessions, and then offered to take her to France for a year.. all expenses paid. He is a beta without game. He did the equivalent of buying flowers and writing letters. Surely from your understanding of redpill, it's no surprise why she didn't leave with him. She wasn't attracted to him. Be honest with yourself. If the hedge fund manager actually had game and was masculine, your wife would be in France. She'd rather be with me and polyamorous, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 06:12 PM
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Well yeah no shit. But at the end if they're both fucking other people how has the husband "lost" "All I said was the wife is getting more out of this than the husband is. Wife has a beta that pays the bills (hubby) and wife has an alpha male that fucks her silly (chad)." Husband = cash cow and emotional support Chad = alpha fucks The only person winning is Chad. He comes over, pumps your wife full of semen, and goes home to watch netflix. This is my point. But I feel compelled to ask, why would…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:46 PM
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Read my posts again. Where did I say the husband wasn't having sex? All I said was the wife is getting more out of this than the husband is. Wife has a beta that pays the bills (hubby) and wife has an alpha male that fucks her silly (chad). The wife can fuck more men and hotter men with less effort. Comparative to the husband who even though he has game, must still put in the work. This point is what you're not responding to. I did not say husbands do not have sex in open relationships I am sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:32 PM
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Yes you are hamstering. Notice how you never actually addressed my points? You just did some subtle shaming and said "if you have game it doesn't matter whether or not your wife sucks every dick on the block". Dude there is no way around this. Women can go to the grocery store, walk up to an attractive man, and say "let's have sex." 40% of men will say yes. No amount of game will beat this. Women open their legs. Men go out and pull. This is why women are considered sluts, men are considered stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:24 PM
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You're hamstering right now.You simply cannot compete with women when it comes to average sex. If you are married and in an open relationship, your wife getting more out of the arrangement than you are. She will have an easier time getting this guy to fuck her. Than you will getting this girl to look at you. There is no way around this. No matter how much you hamster it, there's no way to get over the fact that someone else is plowing your wife. are just afraid of competition and don't believe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:43 PM
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When she gets a new boyfriend, then I get a new drinking buddy. Not trying to shame you, but that sounds exactly like what a cuckold would say. There're many different ways to make friends without having them plow your wife; although i'm guessing that's a side effect rather than a goal. As a "silly traditionalist" I'm curious what's the point of having a wife if she is fucking other people? This is all subjective, but here is my perspective: The reason for a LTRs or marriage is that you find a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:36 PM
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Galileo was a fanatic for believing that they earth is round. Accusing someone of fanaticism is just a way to avoid actual criticism and discussion of their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 11:24 PM
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their nature is to hurt you. That is not the message of AWALT. It's not that women are out to hurt men. It's that women look out for their interests. Certain things make a large amount of women very aroused. If you are not making your girlfriend feel a certain way, and someone else does, she will no longer be your girlfriend. You lose the ability to truly connect, trust, and build a life in partnership model There are happily married male and female redpillers that disagree with you. The end res…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 11:18 PM
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Shaming instead of addressing the biotruths? Rather than saying x, y, z, biotruths are wrong, you compare it to racism? This is fallacious at best. "Biotruths" are subjective. They're anecdotes, the result of a person's experiences with men, women, and society as whole. Shared anecdotes, things that a lot of people can relate to, are useful for understanding the world and human interaction. edit: It looks like I'm not the only one who has noticed this trend. Charge of Fanaticism More shaming tac…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 10:57 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 10:53 PM
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Roosh is awkward and not very personable so it's not all that difficult to see why someone might assume a guy like him actually is speaking in earnest. He travels around the world hitting on women and sleeping with women. He's been on many talk shows and teaches game. You may not like him, but saying he's awkward? His whole business and life is about being social.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 10:18 PM
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Satire is determined by an author's background rather than tone and writing style? Although satire is usually meant to be humorous, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit to draw attention to both particular and wider issues in society. A feature of satire is strong irony or sarcasm—"in satire, irony is militant"[2]—but parody, burlesque, exaggeration,[3] juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 10:16 PM
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That is an incredibly fucked up, but beautiful scene; on multiple levels. Bobby walks the line and the line is very blurred. Viewers are almost in the same position as Lula: Is Bobby going to rape Lula? \ "Is Bobby going to rape me?" Does Lula want Bobby? \ "Do I want Bobby?" This scene is horrible; no more\ "Bobby leave" I kind of want to see what happens though\ [no response to yes/no] Almost reminds me of Bukowski's stories. What other oldies (although this isn't that old) have you seen?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 10:13 PM
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Do you think Deckard and Rachel get away from the police? Does Rachel age out? How about Deckard? One of the reasons I love the ending is how ambiguous it is. Deckard finishes his mission, but he's not finished. The police are certainly going to hunt him and Rachel down. It makes sense when you see that Gaff gave Deckard his gun back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 10:02 PM
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What are your thoughts? Is Deckard a replicant? What do you think Gaff means when he says: "it's too bad she won't live"? I almost feel like Gaff is making fun of Deckard in that scene: Gaff: You've done a man's job, sir. I guess you're through, huh? Deckard: Finished. Gaff: It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:45 PM
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"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain." That is great scene. Not a lot happens in Blade Runner, but the film is expressive. How did your viewing end? Did Deckard dream of unicorns?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:38 PM
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No I haven't seen James Cameron's movies. I saw Pan's Labyrinth when I 5 or 6 years ago. I think I was too young to really get it. There is a lot that I haven't seen. I haven't seen: the godfather movies, inception, titanic, avatar, star wars, etc. I mostly just cherry pick movies and watch things that seem fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:30 PM
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If you've seen Blade Runner then that's the type of film I like. Blade Runner is weak on plot, but the artwork and feeling of watching the film (soundtrack, pictures) leads to a great experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:28 PM
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I really enjoyed that. It's a good april fool's article, right on the border between being believable and a joke. /u/ianiemasns summary is on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:27 PM
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Something like that. I just like stories that me emotional. This could be a comedy, murder mystery, etc. It's usually art house films. Thin Red Line Blue Velvet - stop watching this trailer at 1:00minute possible spoiler.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 09:22 PM
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Roosh's article A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift It's a satire
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:32 PM
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Sex is an acquired drive. Unless you've had this since you were born. I really should've stopped right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:31 PM
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Yeah I should've stopped much earlier. Look at the discussion I had with this lady: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3gq5ob/mgtow_and_what_blue_piller_can_gleam_from_it/cu0omat
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:27 PM
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Mixed feelings. I can enjoy MCU movies, but I've been spoiled by film. Most of what I watch is film. I rarely watch blockbusters or hero movies. I want to be taken on a journey. I want to feel like there's chance Lois Lane could die, maybe even have that happen. I want to see Ironman or Batman used to explore the idea of an Ubermensch or self-actualized man. Or Directors can have no analysis, no philosophical themes, but make the pictures and movie watching experience very pleasurable. Have you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:26 PM
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Everyone seems interested in people who are similar to them. Why do some women seek after a higher status guy? I hate to be so cliche, but I want to say they are shallow, and many will grow out of it. Well my point is that a larger amount of women seek a higher status guy than vice-versa. A bald and short professional bowler who goes to the olympics and ends up on CNN is going to have more women interested in him than an unattractive, but succesfull female ping-pong player is going to have men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:13 PM
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Well Donny is just a shitty (depending on who you ask then) person then. He doesn't hate women, he hates PC culture and is trying to garner attention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcxiVyXPbY https://youtu.be/hqnn_e3Fivg?t=62 (Rand Paul has a hearing aid)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:08 PM
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Mixed feelings. When it comes to hero films, I'm pretty particular. There are two routes directors can go: comic book style or realism. Action comic hero's also deserve a mention. The problem with recent superhero films is that they try to appeal to everyone; they try to do it all. After moments of realism, there is a cheesy joke or catchphrase. Characters are often one-dimensional. Movies like this can certainly be enjoyable, but there is a lot of wasted potential. I don't go to theatres. I jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:58 PM
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That sounds like lyme disease or very bad fatigue. I agree we could all do with more empathy. Although period jokes will always be funny. Just like joking about groin/genital injuries. It's crass, but funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:49 PM
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I'm 19. Nolan's Batman movies. Well I'm not a guru nor do I claim to be. If I'm full of shit downvote me. TRP is probably bi-modal. 18-22 year olds and older posters (30-40). There's always posts from older men with careers or men commenting about their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:37 PM
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It's a good thing women aren't expected to work the mines, build bridges, or do any of the groundwork for society then. Being serious, does it really feel that bad? Doesn't birth control moderate periods?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:34 PM
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I'm a college student about to finish summer. Mornings are spent working out and playing soccer. Nights are getting drunk. Atm my friends are watching a shitty movie and I'm on the couch with headphones. My SMV is questionable. Doubt it's improving or dropping atm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:28 PM
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Well the study and okcupid study do not paint a definitive picture. There is no scientific truth, but it does strongly imply that women find less men attractive than vice versa. If you're interested, here is a separate times blog posts that discusses something similar: Is There Anything Good About Men? The basic idea of hypergamy is that women's standards are much higher than men's. For women only a minority of men are attractive. Do you think this idea is TRP myth, there is some truth to it, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:10 PM
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Well I'm done. You either don't understand what degrade means or you have a definition that differs from the dictionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:49 PM
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You haven't responded to his point nor have you criticized Donny boy. You've just said: "supporters of him are silent racists". How is that relevant? At best it's subtle shaming. Discussions are about ideas not people's character.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:47 PM
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Ok. Tell me I'll listen. Why do assumptions degrade people?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:44 PM
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Why are your problems with England? Is it cultural? Economic? Can you find a better solution at a country in Europe instead of going to America? Think of America like Europe. America is not homogeneous. Certain parts of America have infant mortality rates equivalent to a 3rd world nation. Any tips on the big move or words of encouragement or facts or prime location? For the economics of the move ask a subreddit of american lawyers. Law is a tough and saturated field. If you can find a European c…
/r/askTRP13/08/15 06:43 PM
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Do you think gun owners truly believe every gun is loaded? Yet they routinely tell each other "every gun is loaded." Think abstractly. How is AWALT any different? You haven't told me how assumptions about people degrade them. It's just a heuristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:40 PM
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Too many pills made me sick I don't think you're taking the right pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:21 PM
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Let me say it again. Does the gunowner truly believe all guns are loaded? If my daughter believed all men were sex crazed she wouldn't talk to men at all would she? But this belief exists so that she can talk to men and sort the good (people who care about her personality and thoughts) from the bad (people who see a walking hole). degrading Here is the meaning of degrading: treat or regard (someone) with contempt or disrespect. How does my daughter's belief degrade men? Remember she does not go …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:17 PM
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Are they redpillers or just slightly assholish guys? Long before the redpill people like the guys you know have existed. I'm asking how can you seperate a redpiller from an average person. What harmful words or actions would they do to women that lets you know "this guy is a redpiller."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:12 PM
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If they found my daughter beautiful isn't it fair to assume that they would "truly try to connect with [her] on a personal and emotional level." Now tell me how believing men are sex obsessed is demeaning. You've made a claim, support it. You don't need to cite a study or length argument, I just want to know why it's demeaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:10 PM
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Explain it to me like I'm 5. Why is it wrong to believe that men are sex obsessed creeps? I do not tell men about my beliefs. Men are not harmed or shamed by my beliefs My beliefs help me find good men. Unless you disagree with the definition of demeaning: that demeans; debasing; degrading: You can't just say: "this is true. i don't understand how you don't see that. are you being obtuse".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:07 PM
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thinks rape should be fucking legal. Not at all. Look at the tone of that article. Have you read Swift's satire? Roosh's article greatly mirrors his tone. treating women like children and all sorts of [RES ignored duplicate link] bullshit. In behavioral terms how is this harmful? At a crowded bar or party how would you separate a RPer that is treating women like children from a guy joking and laughing with women? Do you think you could identify a RPer? If RP and RPers are as harmful as you claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:05 PM
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You honestly don't understand how generalizing all men as sex obsessed creeps is demeaning to all men? No I do not. Here is the definition of demeaning: that demeans; debasing; degrading: I would like to know how are men demeaned by my daughter's beliefs. My daughter does not go out and tell men "you're all sex crazed and abusive"? Let me say it again. Do gunowners really think every gun is loaded? Which guys? The ones in my sphere? I would assume they would connect with her. Yes. So how would t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:01 PM
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Yes, as do women with nefarious goals. That doesn't mean AWALT or AMALT. Go back to the guns analogy. Is there truly a bullet in every gun? What if my daughter wasn't so careful with choosing men. She went out with a guy that was dating other women, he slept with her, and he left. She would be very hurt? You still haven't answered my question. How is demeaning to men in your family or your male friends? If those guys like my daughter, they're going to try to connect with her right? How is my dau…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:52 PM
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anybody who's going to TRP is just a poor man being screwed by society. 90% of them—hell, 99% of them—only had themselves to blame. so every single person that tried to play it fair and considerate can only blame themselves? they were never truly being fair or nice? they were probably being manipulative or they had some fatal flaw that lead to negative social interactions? abusive rapist How does TRP create abusive rapists or advocate rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:44 PM
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Yes. The men I call family or friends are not some sex obsessed creep. But sex obsessed creeps do exist. Why is it demeaning to the men you know? If they found my daughter beautiful isn't it fair to assume that they would "truly try to connect with you on a personal and emotional level." I would say those are accurate descriptions of how business works. Businesses and business leaders do not primarily look out for their own interests and shareholder interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:42 PM
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Well here are a few: example 1: My daughter is a teenager in highschool and she is very beautiful. She is approached by many men, flirted with fairly often, etc. I tell her to assume that "all men don't care about you. they just care about your body and your face. men will agree with you and lie to sleep with you." Only pay attention to the men that truly try to connect with you on a personal and emotional level. These men should only be flirting with you. If they're talking to other pretty girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:36 PM
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broad negative generalization of women is demeaning Do you think a broad generalization of people in general is demeaning? What if that generalization is useful for minimizing risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:28 PM
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Do you really not see the difference in treating inanimate objects (literally created to cause damage) as dangerous and treating a human being the same way? In this scenario whether it's an object or person doesn't matter. The focus is on potential danger to oneself and minimizing that danger. If I wake up on the streets in a bad part of town, I'm going to assume anyone who talks to me or approaches me is trying to harm me. I'll walk quickly, avoid people, and find a taxi or train. The motive do…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:13 PM
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Why do you think this is such a rare scenario? If you don't negotiate salaries and constantly assess* your worth, you are going to get underpaid. The company is looking out for the company; not for you. This is one of the reasons why women are paid less. They do not negotiate salaries as often as men. edit: grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:09 PM
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Do gunowners truly think every single gun on earth is loaded? Further, RPers tend to point to a documented behavior and assign a completely subjective motive to that behavior. Sure I can concede with this. The motive really doesn't matter. What matters is that the behavior exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:43 PM
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It's something that has been experienced with women outside of clubs. Nothing is wrong with being shallow or looks oriented; that's not the message of AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:18 PM
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Also, the OKC models are barely out of college. I'd guesstimate late 20s at most. Do you think women's desires changes outside of college age? They know longer rate average men as below average? Or do you think women's goals (marriage instead of sex) and their ability to date up is what changes after colleges?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:16 PM
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Yes. The actions of people can harm you. The actions of people are also predictable when you look at certain variables. If I wanted to increase my chances of finding a criminal or drug addict, I would choose a lower income and look for single parent households. The point isn't about objects or people. It's about risk assessment and useful assumptions that reduce risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:11 PM
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All Guns Are Loaded? This is clearly not true. Do you understand why it may be a useful belief to hold?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:05 PM
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I realise it's a strawman, but can we consider that many young men at TRP are applying a "high school never ends" fallacy where the girls they were attracted to mostly did seek out 'alphas', and they ignored all outliers to that AF model, right into their early adulthood where the confirmation bias became so strong they took it for granted? My comments from another post: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man Okcupid survey: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:50 PM
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Yes. Before can decide whether something is true or false. We must agree on definitions. No universal comments that can be made about sex/romantic relationships. Example: All women hate violently being punched and kicked. There is a big problem with this statement though. Out of the 157 million women in America, several thousand are going to be attracted to physical abuse. So can our definition of true/false be: true = accurate for a sizeable (equal to or above 10%) amount false = accurate for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:12 AM
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Is there anything I can say to convince you that TRP is true? Or that TRP is helpful in a sizeable proportion of interactions?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:00 AM
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Not sure how that is considered to just be comedy; it's basically a lecture.
/r/TheRedPill13/08/15 05:06 AM
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Here is an article about the study I mentioned: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man Okcupid survey: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ Question Do you consider these signs that hypergamy may exist. Or do you find them both flawed?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:55 AM
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I disagree with the idea that women tend to "date up" How do you respond to the fact that women are more likely to pass on their genes? Let me dig up the stats, but the I remember reading a study of prior generation which found 80% of women reproduce whilst 40% of men reproduced. that there is even an objective "up" that is observed by most women. Well it's never going to be viewed as up: An average college guy may find 6/10 women around him attractive; he would sleep with them given the opportu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:48 AM
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or hypergamy You disagree that men find more women attractive than vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:31 AM
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What aspects of TRP do you disagree with? Not morally, not health wise. But aspects that you think are just false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:30 AM
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Dread game is not required in every relationship. Being specific: Active dread (emotional absence, befriending attractive women) is not always necessary and is rarely present. Passive dread (an attractive, sociable, and interesting partner) is present in most relationships. is that it ignores the success of those who don't "swallow the pill" and still manage to find relationship and sexual success. Well what is the strategy of non-TRPers who find stable relationships? There is no consensus. I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:53 AM
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I have seen it many times that alpha widows are common and the source of much marital strife. Not a textbook case of alpha widows, but married women thinking about former lovers? Married women settling for guys that simply do not arouse them? I'd say that occurs in 1/7 or 1/8 of relationships. Maybe more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:38 AM
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Biological drives are only life sustaining. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:36 AM
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Most of the criticisms of TRP are: Not understanding TRP Moralizing ("How can you treat women like this?" "You're only hurting yourself") Downplaying ("This only works on 1 out of 20 women") Anecdotes ("I've never seen this, so it's not true) I've never seen someone actually go point by point and address TRP. Never seen someone say dread game doesn't work because of x, y z. And for TRPers specifically, has anything suggested to you that this claim is based on reality? The fact that people so rar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:35 AM
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Funny how life works. Over 30s, women that know these guys are "hunting", are usually not the prime targets of said guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 12:42 AM
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all over this sub That's a question about the age of consent rather than attraction to "14 year olds is normal". Age of consent =/= Age people prefer. Responses from that thread lined up with actual aoc in the world. Your original words were redpillers believe being attracted to 14 year olds is normal. Not red pillers believe 14 year olds can consent to sex. Tell me, why were all the wives in Mad Max in their late 20s with the exception of one? The studio could've hired all 18 year olds easily. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 11:54 PM
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Alphas are having lots of sex (possibly all of it) No not all of it. That's just implausible. A majority? Yes. A woman that has sex with an Alpha who dumps her= alpha widow Not necessarily. Depends on the relationship. Sleeping with a jock you met at party doesn't make a woman an alpha wido.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 11:29 PM
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Fertility may be the biological basis for looks, but it's irreverent. A low fertility woman or post-menopausal woman who is pretty, is attractive regardless of her ability to have kids. 14 year olds is normal, after all. Where have women that young been discussed? Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with rp beliefs? Perhaps. Can you give show me a discussion or comment where people advocate dating 14 year olds? Again, yes, it is weird that a 30 year old would want to date an 18 year old. Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 11:27 PM
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Women have dualistic mating strategies. while Alphas are scarce, they're the ones getting all the girls? For sex. Alphas have a sexual monopoly. Relationship wise, most men are monogamous. Alphas pick a woman, and the rest of his plates settle for someone else or find an alpha of their own. Also, Alpha Widow doesn't require commitment just that she was with him enough to get hooked. Right? Like you can be an alpha's "plate" and be alpha widowed. You can, but I think that's unlikely. Although pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 11:15 PM
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Very few women will get commitment from an alpha male. Alpha males are also a minority. So yes alpha widows is only going to describe a small set of experiences. RPers seem to reference it as though it happens to the majority of women (or at least any woman that dated or had sex before her current partner.) Depends on the sex and the dating. Not all sex is equal. Not all dating is equal. Not many women receive commitment from alphas, but a fair amount of women can sleep with alphas. When looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:48 PM
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Well replace the supermodel with an 8 that loves sex and cooking. And the current girlfriend is a 6 that likes sex and occasionally cooks for her boyfriend. Is that still an outlandish example? Alpha widow does not describe all past relationships. It does not even describe a majority of relationships. As alpha males are scarce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:39 PM
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There is no evidence. Just a belief from my experiences and perception of humans. Technically, I'm sure there are cases of people loving equally. Ex. A mother with newborn twins. On a practical level (probable rather than possible), people generally don't love equally. Feelings for past partners don't match up to current/future partners. Or feelings for current partner doesn't match up to the past. Rarely are things equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:35 PM
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I'm just trying to explain the idea of alpha widow. It's not just the idea that women fantasize about their exes. It doesn't apply to every breakup. Put simply: alpha males are scarce and attractive. a woman who once dated an alpha male, may compare her future partners to the alpha male. it's possible to love multiple people, but love is not binary. not everyone is loved equally. damn near perfect in every way and the relationship ended on good/mutual terms? Physical attraction, sexual compatibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:27 PM
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I watched it live and it was crazy. The back to back free kick goals felt unreal. Almost like a video game. It feels amazing to watch a living legend. I stopped watching after the first half when it was (3-1). Came back at 70' when it's 4-4. And promptly had my heart broken by Pedro. I'm not a Sevilla or Barca fan, but there's something about an underdog story that is very appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:19 PM
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Well yeah....because he would then be a totally different person. I mean..wth? Apart from intelligence, honesty and personality (cold/distant vs. warm/vibrant) are actions that people choose. If Karl goes to a female cashier at a store she may be happy and excited to see him. When Steve goes there she may not be so excited. so it's odd to then still consider her to be an alpha widow because you can't give her some of the things he did Alpha widows does not describe all breakups or all of the fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:16 PM
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He's in a lower league on a mid level teams; think Leeds or Nottingham. That's all I can say. If you were him, I'd protect your privacy too. If I heard this story, I would also want to know Did you watch Barca and Sevilla?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:07 PM
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Financially? No. Emotionally? Why not? That depends. If the guy was just a piggy bank and had no personality, then yes I could. But people are rarely so one dimensional. Your ex is more alpha than your current boyfriend. He is more valuable (in the economic sense) than your current boyfriend. More women want what he selling than women want what your boyfriend is selling. That does not mean your ex-boyfriend is more valuable to you. there is no competition. That is because your ex disqualified hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:48 PM
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This is a question but not THE question. i am suggesting that a woman (or a man) becomes unhappy for whatever reason and then start fantasizing about a previous fling's good times. I agree that this does happen. Alpha widow does not represent the entirety of women's experiences. It does not represent every woman that thinks about a previous partner. People get bored and if they don't focus their energy on their relationships, they can fall out of love even if they married a charming doctor. I ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:40 PM
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I'm not sure if you're trolling, being obtuse, or don't understand the difference between physiological drives and conditioned drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:37 PM
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Sex is an acquired drive. Unless you've had this since you were born. Which a majority of humans acquire. A drive which is linked to puberty and sexual development. A drive which is present to that people create kids and the human race continues to exist.. Sex drive = part of genetic code Alcohol drive = conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:31 PM
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People are able to love more than one person. Yes but not equally. Love is not binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:28 PM
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The long-term relationship that most people end up in is usually the best one that they can get. Correction*
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:24 PM
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It is to those with an addiction. I've never seen anyone go through withdrawal from Sex, happens with drugs all the time. No it is not. Alcohol is conditioned drive; an acquired drive. Alcohol or certain drugs can be biological (Ex. crack baby), but they are not a drive that is inherent to being human. 1/1. But that's what sex is. What did you learn sex was? Get it in, get it off and get out? No need to be rude. If I stayed up all night having multiple sessions, I wouldn't say "I had sex for 6 h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:23 PM
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Here's the thing though, memories don't have sock drawers. Quick relationships don't have emergency room bills. Even if your current partner is objectively better, a romanticized version of an ex wins out over the reality. Most people eventually settle down. The question is whether or not they would choose the same person if they had more options. This is why the mantra of:" work out, work on your career, and marry a younger woman" is repeated. Younger women are prettier and generally have more …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:06 PM
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An individual MRA can be a PUA, MGTOW, or a redpiller. But the men's right movement itself, what MRAs want to achieve, is seperate from the philosophy of TRP or MGTOW. Men's right is about equal legal, judicial, and government representation. Equal rights for all. An example would be: immediate shared custody rather than a preference for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:59 PM
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I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist so I don't know how addiction is defined. I'll say this though. Sex is a biological drive. Where do you draw the line between a sex drive being addiction and a sex drive that is natural? Your words could be applied to anyone with a moderate sex drive: And if you replace 'sex' with 'alcohol' or any other drug and say it how you do it sounds like you have an addiction. If you "can't" have your needs met without having sex 4-5 times a year it's no different th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:55 PM
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Not many people think it matters for short term relationships. But for a long term relationship (or what you consider a long-term short-term relationship) it does matter. Partner count has been linked to behavior. No one wants to be cheated on, deal with a negative behavior, or telegony.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:42 PM
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Married relationship duties cannot be compared to the date in 3 month relationship. No matter who you married there would still be a sock drawer to clean out. The question is would you rather clean out your husband's sock drawer or the guy from the 3 month relationship? Here are my earlier comments: Alpha widows comes from two ideas: 1. Not all partners are equal. 2. What people want =/= what people are able to get The woman that marries the balding mailman may think back to her days dating the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:39 PM
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Kind of. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem just dating a wealthy girl as I feel like there is something unique I can bring to the table. Something that separates me from her prior boyfriends. But the wow factor of dating someone who is world famous for being one of the best at their job? I don't think I can compete with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:33 PM
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Well disregard water and replace it with a nonessential good which first world people take for granted. House with a roof, faucets instead of wells, microwaves and fridges, etc. My point still stands. How long do you take to have sex? Nobody has time for that. This is exactly the difference between us. Your response is "that's too time consuming" instead of "my needs are being met." I'm not trying to shame you. I'm not saying a high sex drive is good or bad. I'm just saying our lives are very di…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:27 PM
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I understand your points and I agree with you. Good surgeons aren't going to have much time to keep up with film, literature, and culture. Judging people is completely subjective. There are janitors and mailmen that are more fun to hangout with because they are sociable and can make the people around them feel very good. I'd rather spend the night drinking beer in a dingy couch with a cool person, than eating caviar with a slightly egotistic surgeon. But on a more pragmatic level, that surgeon's…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:20 PM
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I still wouldn't date her. My ideas of romantic dates involve tossing frisbees in the park, hiking and picnics, museums, etc. I can't compete with a guy that could legitimately rent a restaurant for the night or pay an artist to create a mural for his girl. There's enough women around, that it's much easier for me to start anew and find a different woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:15 PM
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Correction for MRA: Men are treated unfairly and we should change that. Let's form a more equal, egalitarian society. MGTOW and TRP have both swallowed the red pill. MRAs have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:11 PM
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Take 20 random employed people, and a surgeon would be in the top 5%. Only 1 or 2 people are going to be as knowledgable (in their own fields) or earn as much as he is. Take 100 random employed people and a surgeon is in the top 10. It's unlikely that there would be someone else who earns as much or knows as much about their field as the surgeon does. Seriously just walking through the grocery store, (or anywhere that's not a hospital) these people are: smarter, wealthier, more hardworking than …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:08 PM
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People have different sex drives People have different abilities to get sex It's that simple. I don't think sex is not special, but I have a decent sex drive. In my ideal relationship we'd have sex twice a day, sometimes thrice. With a low sex drive or easy access to sex, it's hard to understand why sex is mentioned so much. Your comments are equivalent of a first world citizen saying: it's just water, relax. Well that first world person has access to a large amount of water. Take him to a deser…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:00 PM
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Competing in the sense that I'm not her top pick. I'm what she can get. If she had the option of still being with Brady, I would not be in the picture. I doubt she will forget about her time with Tom Brady. This is not logical, but it's how a lot of men are. We're competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:55 PM
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Definitely. But I'm not really focused on men. I'm focused on dating women. If there was a female redpill subreddit, they'd probably mention something similar. The general advice is to avoid alpha widows. If I found out a girl dated Tom Brady for a few years, I'm going to leave. There's no way I'm competing with that .
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:46 PM
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bad example of a highly date-able man Well that's besides the point. Replace the surgeon with the dermatologist or dentist that works 9-5 and makes 400k. Surgeons are massive cocks. They do have a right to be. They're the best of the best: intelligent, hardworking, and successful. Medical school admissions are low; surgical specialties are the hardest to get into. And surgical residencies are insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:44 PM
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Well it's not just projection. Alpha widows comes from two ideas: Not all partners are equal. What people want =/= what people are able to get The woman that marries the balding mailman may think back to her days dating the surgeon and wish he hadn't broken up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:26 PM
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I wouldn't say they're ruined, it's just that it's very unlikely they will ever find a man that is equal to or better than their past lover. Let me offer an example: Man dates a supermodel for several years. She performs oral sex on him several times day, loves to cook for him, and is very personable/pleasing to be around. She eventually leaves him. And the Man later dates you. Would you feel comfortable in that relationship? Comfortable that the Man doesn't go to bed thinking about the supermod…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:15 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYT6qlyIws That guy is a really good example of my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:07 PM
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It's funny how not good the world is. As a child, the lessons are: be fair, don't judge by looks (it's whats on the inside that counts), etc. Now once you open up your eyes, you realize that the world is not a fair place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:01 PM
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while women are most fertile in their late 20s. False. Doing some quick googling: 19-26 year olds = 50% chance of conceiving 2 days before ovulation 27-34 year olds = 40% chance of conception 2 days before ovulation But that's besides the point. Biological fertility really doesn't matter; it's not what we're interesting in. What matters is looks and behavior. So the preference for young, young girls--since it is decidedly not based on biology--garners that reaction. Read above. Either way it's f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:53 PM
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Old friend from highschool. He's now playing soccer in Europe. One of the view "dark triads" I've met. Let's call him James. When it comes to women James is borderline sociopathic; he has 3-4 girlfriends, lies to women, sleeps with his girlfriend's family and friends, etc. And women cannot get enough of James. He's a liar and a cheat, but he will die a happy man. Befriending him and seeing how he treats women is one of the few things that led to me taking the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:39 PM
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Sara's (Bill's wife) cheating is the ultimate source of Bill's suffering. But until Bill knows, Bill does not suffer. From Bill's perspective he is in a loving, healthy relationship. Sara's cheating = potential suffering. Informing bill => Bill suffering Telling Bill the truth to would cause him suffering, but is it necessary? Bill believes that he is in a happy relationship, why should I pull him out? What if Bill prefers a happy dream over a sad reality? That was my most basic attempt at a mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:23 PM
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Electronics and sleep There's a correlation between late night use of electronics and insomnia.
/r/askTRP12/08/15 01:14 AM
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Ride the lightning. You know the truth. Humans are animals. Decide what you'll do with your life. Get your career in order, lose weight and get fit, start to talk to women, make new friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 01:08 AM
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The Red Pill =/= Applications of Red Pill The Red Pill: Beliefs about men and women, attraction, mating strategies, and social dynamics. When people say TRP is amoral this what they are referring to. Spinning plates, dread game, etc. Those are not an inherent part of the red pill. They are applications of it. TRP can refer to [1] the series of beliefs about social interaction [2] TRP the subreddit, how those redditors apply beliefs about social interaction. For the sake of discussion, let's defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 12:59 AM
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It's a dumb term and doesn't require a name. I disagree. There is a small group of people who are primarily attracted to intelligence. These people would happily choose a very intelligent 4 to an average intelligence 9. For these people sapiosexual is an accurate term. The looks threshold is very low; basically clean and hygienic. What matters most is intelligence. Outside of that select group of people, sapiosexual is not the correct word. Most people who use sapiosexual are people who want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 11:01 PM
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A "sapiosexual" will prefer to be with a 7 who is hilarious, interesting, and fascinating to be around than a mind-numbingly boring 9 That is a very liberal definition of sapiosexual. In this example intelligence and personality isn't primary reason the person chooses the 7. The 7 and 9 aren't too far away in looks (7 isn't ugly) and the 9 is a bore. Your comparison is horribly skewed. A fairer comparison would be a 7 who is very well read and intelligent. Vs. A 9 who is average intelligence, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 09:31 PM
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When I think of fairness I think of egalitarianism. Here are definitions I found of fairness. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: treating people in a way that does not favor some over others It is fair that the words of the accused carry the same weight as the injured party. It is fair that evidence is what influences the decision of guilty/not guilty. in some cases it can't be proven doesn't mean then it is a 'fair' outcome. There is also the moral meaning of fair. Which is used with reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 09:37 AM
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I've had a similar mindset and it's led to serious depression that I'm just beginning to address. I strongly recommend you work through this book: Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy by David D. Burns Purchase a physical copy. Read through this pdf version until your copy arrives. It's a very logical approach to depression. What does Burns say? Depression is a positive feedback loop. We feel an emotion, say sadness, assign words to that emotion, and our words lead to that emotion arising again. H…
/r/askTRP11/08/15 04:50 AM
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Pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 03:56 AM
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That is what I find most amusing and sad. The fact that this happening at universities. A place that emphasizes logic and reason. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510 what is known as "a preponderance of the evidence." What this means, in plain English, is that all my son's accuser needed to establish before a campus tribunal is that the allegations were "more likely than not" to have occurred by a margin of proof that can be as slim as 50.1% to 49.9%. This is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 11:28 PM
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My plan is to act like nothing out of the ordinary happened and try again to initiate a conversation with the man next time I see them. No. Leave him alone. Say hi and let him be.
/r/askTRP10/08/15 11:22 PM
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Yes. Is it unfair you can ruin a woman's life through this and for the man to suffer little repercussion? Well actually no it's not. This comes from burden of proof. The basic fact that when you are accused of a crime, you are not sent straight to prison. The injured party needs evidence; they need to prove that something actually happened. This is troublesome some for both male and female victims of rape. It's not something that is "unfair" to just women. How do you separate consensual sex from…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 11:06 PM
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Where did anyone say height has a direct, linear relationship with masculinity? All anyone has said or implied is that height plays a key role in a masculine image. This is undeniable. Control for looks, body language, whatever, and a man who is 6' looks more masculine than a man who is 5'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 10:14 PM
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Feminism means women want equal opportunities, not to be absolutely equal to men. Many feminists disagree with you. Look at the gender pay gap. The strong push for women in STEM. For a large amount of feminists: gender differences are due to socialization and equality means equality of outcome. Rather than women just having the opportunity to join that field, half of software developers should be women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 09:07 PM
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It's not that unbelievable. People are more likely to post about their experiences getting lucky with an 8 or 9 than they are picking up a slutty 6. I feel like most of the people saying they are fucking or dating 7's and up are bull shitting themselves. Where do you live? It's all regional. Liberal college town on the beach where the guy girl ratio is 2:3? Then 7s are easy.
/r/askTRP10/08/15 08:35 PM
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It's basically selective bias. Nothing special about picking up a 6; no reason to write a field report. When you do pick up an 8 or 9, that's something to talk about. Subreddit of 120k people and there are a few reports of 8s or 9s? That's believable.
/r/askTRP10/08/15 08:31 PM
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Yes height means nothing. Image does not matter. Masculinity is all about confidence and "being yourself."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 08:17 PM
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Once you're on the other side. When you finally experience what it's like to be a girl's Chad, the fact that they'll do almost anything sexually, you can never look at women the same way. I'm not even attractive and I've had a few of those experiences; I can only imagine what it's like for the tall, broad shouldered, deep voiced, classically handsome men. Personally I'd rather die alone, than settle for a woman that spent her 20s swallowing Chad's load.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 05:45 PM
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This is not a complete post. This is a diary entry. Look at the the thread format requirements.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 05:33 PM
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They trashed his accomplishments in science because they did not like his alleged views. The sad part is Tim Hunt is not actually sexist. The whole crisis began from an individual woman taking his comments out of context. Here are his words: “Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. ‘Three things happen when they are in the lab. You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticise them, they cry.” He said that during a speech he was giving to women in science. Here …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 05:26 PM
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I think a woman dressed in any way goes into a frat house full of drunk young college men is looking for trouble, and any man that attempts to rape her is a piece of shit. Use your imagination and reverse the sexes to a similar scenario, my opinion stays the same. Then we're in agreement. It's just that for a lot of people, this type of causal analysis does not and should not apply to sexual misconduct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 12:58 AM
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This is a horrible way to start a discussion. You're just espousing views. I probably agree with you, but this is debate/discussion forum. With your tone and statements you're just going to: rile people who support social justice have people who agree with you nodding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 12:11 AM
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Back to Roosh. That dumb ass traveled to a place where he is known and despised, he insulted a woman, to women his existence is already an insult. Considering his views, I'm not surprised. What surprises me is that he didn't get slashed with a broken bottle. And no, that wouldn't be okay either, humans can be terrible. We know this. The woman traveled to a frat house where she knows women are groped and treated horribly. She wore a short dress, got drunk, and flirted with several men. I'm not su…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 12:05 AM
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I've never done or said anything that angers enough people to warrant a death threat. And neither have most women. Now a man saying that videogames should have less blood, arguing that videogames lead to real life violence, or calling for bans on games? There are probably people who would be angered enough to send death threats. Is it low skilled males being hostile to woman or to people in general? Anyone that's better than them. I'm on a train right now, I'll look at the study in a bit. "Thick…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 11:48 PM
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Your continuously ignoring my point; either willfully or from poor explanation on my part. Should I explain my position again? How do you respond to the fact the logical product of your comments about drink spilling is considered false/rape culture/rape apologia when applied to sexual misconduct? Don't you think it's misandry to think men don't have the agency to control themselves? Where did I imply that in my comments? That is an entirely different discussion. My examples about clothing and se…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 11:15 PM
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No it doesn't support masculinity being attractive, but the more general idea that what women say is attractive is not always what actually attracts women. No they're not relevant to your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 11:08 PM
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Is it wrong that I don't so much think Magua is being sexist as he is telling the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 10:03 PM
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This is where a lot of the support for AWALT (with regards to masculinity being most attractive) come from. Individual experiences of success with women who say one thing, but do another. General advice is: women don't know what they're attracted to; they don't know what they want. Don't take advice from women. Look at the men that they sleep with. Learn from the fisherman not the fish. Not fully relevant, but I just wanted to provide RP perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 09:55 PM
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When you post an article at least summarize it or quote sections for discussion: The men, on average, responded genitally in what Chivers terms “category specific” ways. Males who identified themselves as straight swelled while gazing at heterosexual or lesbian sex and while watching the masturbating and exercising women. They were mostly unmoved when the screen displayed only men. Gay males were aroused in the opposite categorical pattern. Any expectation that the animal sex would speak to some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 09:52 PM
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Well it's not even about the drink. I'm not saying you think spilling a drink is ok.Here is the logical statement that comes from your drink spilling statement: If x is true, y may occur. y is not ok. that if you're not a douche you're less likely to suffer the consequences of acting like one. You even agree to it here. An individual's actions can be linked to the behavior of others. It does not excuse that behavior. It's logically consistent to believe that this applies to groping. Here is anot…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 09:18 PM
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And women tend to cite misogyny when they are treated like men. Videogames in general has always been a hotbed of vitriol. For men that is simply part of the environment. For women that is because they are women and its because men are sexist. Men tend to have thick skins in general. Women are more sensitive. This can go back to simple scenarios like an athletic coach criticizing his male team vs. female team. Which team is more likely to cry and think that the coach is personally attacking them…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 09:08 PM
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no Then our discussion about this topic is over. Apathy is not the same as saying "i applaud anyone who punches him". someone who knowingly walks by without helping as you bleed to death is probably not as bad as the person who stabbed you (but both are responsible for your death to some degree), but they are not a good person. This scenario is not logically consistent to the death threat letter scenario. A vocal majority speaking out against death threat emails or doxxing would not prevent a mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:48 PM
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That is not what I'm saying and I'm pretty sure you know it. I'm not talking about the actions, but your comments on them: if you say negatives, people might hit you. violence is not ok though. . if you dress scantily, people might grope you. assault is not ok though. These two comments are logically consistent. Here is your position: If x is true, y may occur. y is not ok. ex.1 If short skirt, groping may occur. groping is not ok. ex.2 If asshole, drinks may spill. drink spilling is not ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:42 PM
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Do you believe apathy is the same as explicit support? Yes or no. if a female you cared about got a death/rape threat with her address in it, would that bother you? what would that make you think about the red piller comments / tone in the thread i linked to? can you admit that red pillers anger towards women skews their ability to sympathize with women in a normal, sane way? That is an entirely different discussion. I will be happy to talk to you about that once we finish what we originally beg…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:35 PM
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People who regularly browse stormfront make up a small proportion of the general population. Racist posts on stormfront is preaching to the choir. It mostly effects people who go to that website. You don't Racist speech in a public park or street corner is not the same as stormfront. I have never been to stormfront and I will never accidentally wind up there or browse a racist article. I do however walk the streets, go to parks, and could overhear racist speech. Medium is very very important. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:32 PM
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We're going around in circles. Support =/= apathy (lack of concern, interest, or concern) There is no way around this. Support is: verbal ("i will applaud anyone who punches him") ideological ("his actions were right and justified") monetary but on the rape/death thread, no one felt the need to take a position on it being wrong, just on how it was fake, it's normal in the gaming community, etc.. why do you think that is? That is an entirely different discussion. I'd be happy to discuss that with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:23 PM
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Roosh's material is still harmful and humiliating to certain people. People are offended The medium isn't particularly relevant, only the motivation and effect. You're saying there is no difference between racists publishing an article on stormfront and racists going out in public and talking to people? but I also don't think it's necessarily wrong to give someone a taste of their own medicine That is exactly the thing! Giving Roosh a taste of his own medicine would be: writing about him, making…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:06 PM
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it's a convenient way to discredit, deny wrongdoing happened. is not saying something is wrong tacit support? at best, it's being neutral on sending death/rape threats to women. are you cool with that? You're changing the discussion. You're redefining a word to suit your argument. Expanding the meaning of the word support so that "TRP supports violence" is true. Look at my original words: "It's hard to find an example of TRP or any manosphere group in general supporting violence " Here is the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:01 PM
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Maybe it is. But this was posted in sex/relationship section and the author advertises her book at the bottom of the article, so I doubt it's just satire. Those advertisements are from the 50s, women born during the advertisements are in their 60s. Women who were teenagers during the ads are in their 70s. Women who were married are in their 80s. The target audience of the article most likely didn't experience those ads.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 07:48 PM
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Someone who has made inflammatory comments gets a drink poured on them: It pays to not be a douche, although I agree physically harming someone is overboard. Someone who has worn revealing clothing gets sexually assaulted: It pays to not wear short skirts, although I agree physically harming someone is overboard ... Explain how they're logically consistent In the first circumstance, you say that drink throwing isn't random, but is linked to the victim's words and actions. In the second circumsta…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 07:40 PM
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And words can never be harmful...? I never said that. Roosh writes. Does he go out to feminist rallies and yell at women? Does he even speak about his beliefs in public?He writes and posts videos. No, but he has humiliated many girls in the past. Unless you think that the girl was trying to drown him you don't really have a point here. How has he humiliated women? Has he gotten into women's face and started to yell about false rape claims? Roosh sticks to articles and videos. Nothing he does is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 07:32 PM
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That is not an extreme example though. It was published in a fairly large and popular news source. It's not saying that is what all bluepillers believe, but it's shows the different unequal treatment of men and women. The point is that such a thing would not and could not be published if the genders were reversed: "Put your woman in the doghouse." Journalists would be fired. People would be sued. And feminists would take to the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 07:17 PM
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supporting violence against Does disbelief constitute support? Does not caring constitute support? i read that she made it up, that it's normal stuff in the gaming community, etc.. How is any of that support? I skimmed through that thread and I found no one saying that "she deserves it because she is a feminist". Comments where: she made it up, video gamers in general are loud and brutish, and we should just ignore it. Whereas in this thread about liberals supporting violence against opposition:…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 07:09 PM
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A woman is as mature as her actions and speech convey. Same deal for men. No she is not. That is the ideal; it's egalitarian, but it not what happens. When a drunk man punches another man, hitting him is self-defense. When a drunk woman punches a woman, hitting her is assault. There was a case 2 months ago where a college football player hit a drunk girl who punched him. The college football player was arrested and suspended from his deep. The bar and law enforcement had a video of the woman hit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:57 PM
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It pays to not be a douche It pays to not wear short skirts, although I agree rape is wrong. Is that what you believe^ ? It is logically consistent with your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:53 PM
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RPers whining and claiming that liberals think it's okay to cause bodily harm to another person because they don't like them or disagree with them are being ridiculous. It's just hyperbole. Your response and /u/SkinnySweaty are an example of this. I'm cool with it. This guy is a rape apologist who routinely humiliates people he disagrees with all the time. They're pretty much just giving him a taste of his own medicine. Has Roosh ever poured a drink on a girl's face, gotten a group of friends, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:51 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxZgylpz8jk The main difference is it's hard to find an example of TRP or any manosphere group in general supporting violence against people with different beliefs. Also going off line, you will regularly see violent and aggressive feminists. These aren't just a few individuals, but rather hundreds of people that make signs and march.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:47 PM
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TRP is not a collective. He spoke out against the subreddit, had a few criticisms, and advertised his books/site. Personally, I don't care. Roosh is a champ.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:41 PM
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What I'm saying is progeny means absolutely nothing. Your progeny will be like a single grain of sand at the beach. If you are like your hero (father 600 kids), it'll be a few grains of sand at the beach. How often do you think about your grandfather? How often do you think your grandfather's grandfather? Look at Attila the Hun, there's millions of people related to him. How often do you think about him? He's more famous for his military actions than having kids. And even then, once you finish h…
/r/TheRedPill09/08/15 12:54 AM
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I agree with that. There is "taller than me" and there is "tall man". I just think the advice for short men should be "be a man and deal with rejection. get over it" rather than "not many women cared". I'm 5'7 and I was recently in Netherlands. Walking around in the supermarket I saw groups teenage girls that are 6ft and elementary school kids that are taller than me. Only way to deal with such an environment is get over it; develop a dgaf attitude and act.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/15 12:31 AM
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"Nothing is true, everything is permitted" It's a scary idea. Imagine if everyone was that individualistic and sought only to please themselves? How could society function?Altruism, love, etc. are the noble lies of our society. Without it, who would be comfortable delivering the mail, driving a truck, or working 80hrs/week at a hospital? Really thinking about, I agree with both of your quotes. All we have is our human experiences, our feelings, thoughts, and emotions. The goal is to maximize hap…
/r/TheRedPill09/08/15 12:25 AM
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You're right. Poor logic on my part.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/15 12:14 AM
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Reproduction legitimately means nothing. Anyone can get a woman pregnant. It's an ego trip. No skill or greatness is required. Mozart, Plato, Alexander, these are men that have achieved something. They are not remembered for their offspring, but for achieving something that no men had done before. I'm always a little surprised by the amount of guys who are dedicated to being alpha, but not interested in reproducing. Reproduction means nothing. The thought of people carrying my genetics or lookin…
/r/TheRedPill09/08/15 12:11 AM
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Interesting how no one actually criticized the meaning of your quote, but they just said "you're quoting a fictional character who is crazy".
/r/TheRedPill08/08/15 11:59 PM
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You just contradicted yourself. "Thats not to say that tall males don't have it a bit easier" "There are just as many women who don't care about height " Either you're delusional or being intentional dishonest. No one is saying short men can't get women. The difference is the 6'2 man may have to approach five 8s, the 5'5 man probably needs to speak to ten 8s. There is real and present difference. Short men need to accept that and get over it. Giving them false platitudes does not help them when …
/r/TheRedPill08/08/15 11:45 PM
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Men these days are spoiled. No. Quality men are spoiled. 1/5 of guys have it really good. The rest are starving. I should know, I've been on both sides of the fence. The average male 6 raised by a feminist mom and nice guy dad is going to struggle to hook up with a female 6; and if he gets into a relationship with a 5 or 6 he'll be boring and dumped. Our average male struggles to find sex. And he's going to struggle to find a relationship with. Even a lot of 5s act entitled although I could find…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 05:38 PM
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Never said I was. I was just providing the perspective of my more attractive friends. Although it's true for all levels of looks. A male 8 may choose the easy 7 over the female 8 that requires work. A male 6 may choose the easy 5 over the female 8 that requires work. And so on. Sex positivity has changed the market and made things easier for men. Sex doesn't mean you're a slut. There are more 7s, 8s, and 9s willing to fuck without a relationship; less effort is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 04:55 PM
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I agree it is hard, but not putting in that effort when you're younger (prettier) and possibly sleeping around (decreasing your perceived value) is much harder. Most attractive guys are players and cheaters in my experience. Women find a small set of men attractive. Women have a group imposed price floor that creates a shortage of valuable men. Once you are in that minority (either through genetics or behavior), you are a rare commodity. You want to sell yourself at the highest price point. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 04:51 PM
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At some point, these women were probably very much attracted to the men they married and probably wanting to fuck them every day. Not necessarily, it's very possible to just find a nice guy that meets the minimum attractive threshold, but is a great provider (surgeon, engineer, lawyer, etc.). while simultaneously "fucking down" constantly and to the point where ugly - average women suddenly don't know their actual level of attractiveness. It's not that men are fucking down. It's that often times…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 04:34 PM
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Start looking where? That's more of a question for women who found a good partner, but here are my initial thoughts. There are alpha males (confident, dominant, masculine, etc.) who are 6s, alpha male 7s, and so on. Usually there's two routes to go: social game and online. With social game ask yourself this: what type of places would your potential husband be? Business club? Pre-med club? Or is he at intramural sports? Join a club, make friends, and meet guys that way. Online requires more work …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 04:29 PM
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In real life? What responses have you gotten? I know Chomsky is sometimes called a self-hating jew for his comments about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 04:14 PM
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Well all women have the option to date (fuck) or look for a relationship. In today's time being sex positive means, dating, playing the field, and struggling to find a husband before your 30s. If more women were told honestly: loads of attractive guys will fuck you because you're there, but that doesn't mean they want to date you. If you want the best husband possible(attractive and providing) start looking now. Women would be much happier than they are now. They could make an early decision bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 04:04 PM
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Offtopic. Go to a politics subreddit.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/15 04:01 PM
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Don't mess with Jews Finance, media, you name it. I wish people could seriously talk about this without being called an anti-semite or nazi. Once you open your eyes, it really is interesting. I doubt there is some conspiracy, but Jews are definitely shaping the world. They are smart, resourceful, and definitely have an in-group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:53 PM
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Many of the deep red pill leadership have disdain for the subreddit because of the userbase. Yes. And almost all of those leaders are endorsed and were once active on the subreddit. The problem being the subreddit has gained a huge influx of members and the message/tone has been diluted quite a bit. Illimitablemen is a user and endorsed contributor on the redpill subreddit. that red pill is a series of blogs in the manosphere there is the redpill message and there is the redpill subreddit. In th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:48 AM
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I imagined him walking from room to room, progressively getting more distraught, so I thought all the women were separate. And the last room was just a single mother. If the first is him delivering and the last is him bringing the baby, then I can see it playing into black criminal absent father stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:42 AM
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I didn't see that possibility. At first I just saw a single mother and absent father. If there was a black father in the frame it would definitely be racist. But it's too ambigious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:30 AM
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so Redpill Comic is a prominent member of the community Those comics aren't part of the subreddit redpill. They're made by puahate guys. Redpill refers to: the subreddit the generally term for disillusionment, becoming self-aware If you check the sidebar and search the subreddit you won't find any links to redpill comics. Those comics refer to the 2nd definition of redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:28 AM
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I was referring to the comics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:26 AM
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For it to be clearly racist, you'd need a black father in that frame. In which case the doctor's problem is a mixed baby. Single mother alone is too vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:25 AM
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Well it's a single mom without a father. Possibilities: woman is cheating ergo no present boyfriend or lover/ this is what doctor finds bad absent father in general/ this is what doctor finds bad When I first saw it I just thought of cheating, but I guess I can kind of see it being a comment on "racemixing".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:22 AM
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Interesting. I'm exactly the opposite. I don't think feelings or words are very important. I find that actions and habits reveal desires and are more telling. If my hypothetical girlfriend slept with someone else, I would leave without any doubt. If my girlfriend only kissed a guy, I would probably leave. I wouldn't immediately feel threatened by a man who shared feelings and dreams with my girlfriend. I would probably consider him friendzoned. It's only if he gets physical with my girlfriend th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:06 AM
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Genuinely curious. How is that racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:01 AM
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How is that racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 03:01 AM
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Another Poll: How much sex would you want in a relationship? Men's preferred sex Women's preferred sex Answer 1 poll: man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 11:49 PM
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Oh I hated the audience. The politicians are just playing the game. Audience members who clap and allow the politicians to dodge questions are what make the game possible.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 11:10 PM
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This for asktrp. I think it's a mix of comfort and shit test. I can´t be myself with you as you probably expect someone to fill your needs". I would've looked away at her during her speech. Sarcastically smiled and said "Are you done?". Then responded with something like: "We're going out on Friday. I'm going to pick you up at 8". And probably a kiss. Be less serious. Be more an asshole; tease and joke with her.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 11:08 PM
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People in general are pretty stupid. Won't really make much of difference. Patriarchal societies still start stupid wars, elect dishonest leaders, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 06:56 PM
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Politicians have always been politicians, but outspoken demagoguery is a new thing in America. The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. … When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. I can't think of an Ameri…
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 06:22 PM
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It's good. Look past the homosexuality and you'll find that the main advice (social dynamics and the importance of dominance) rings true. Whether it's a romantic, platonic, or business relationship.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 05:52 PM
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Also, a lot of these women are happy with this arrangement, because they are less worried about the man going off and cheating. Well there you go. Men of equal or higher attraction have more options and are less likely to commit than men of lower attraction. This is due to: Some women preferring less attractive partners Money and status being preferred over looks (in a LTR) Low supply of quality men interested in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 05:18 PM
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Oh please, that is female projection. Every study that has been done on the subject has "surprisingly" found men are loyal. Nope not all. People are only as loyal as their options. 90% of men do not travel for work and do not have the option of sleeping with beautiful foreign woman. When your average man wants to cheat, it's going to be with a 5 or 6.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 05:14 PM
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Intellectually the debates are a joke. They're the equivalent of a comedy central roast. Socially there is a lot to learn. Maintaining frame Dodging questions Winning people over It was great.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 04:49 AM
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Still, sometimes I just want to be treated like an object and I don't know how to convey it to him. Would you guys please be able to make any suggestions on how or even if I can inspire my man to be more like alpha without making him feel bad about himself? Maybe I shouldn't try, I don't fucking know at this point. RedpillWomen will give you the best answers. No one here has dated men. No one has been submissive in a relationship with a man. We cannot give you good advice. We can only tell you w…
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 04:42 AM
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I'm honestly surprised more people aren't telling me "Dude stop it, youre not a woman, act like a man" That's because no one knows what you're feeling. If you put on mass, started to fuck a group of women, and found a great group of friends would you still want to transition? The answer to that should determine your actions.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 04:39 AM
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Am I a good candidate for TRP, and are trannies even accepted here? This is not an election. You're not trying out for a team. Does TRP ring true to you? Yes or no. That's about it. Individual views of transsexuals vary; it's not part of TRP code. The essence of TRP is removing PC culture, removing thoughts about good/bad, and looking at what is true. Trends in behavior. The true motivations of people. You're a transwoman who wants an alpha male: What does any woman have to do to get an alpha ma…
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 03:19 AM
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did you fill out the polls?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:01 AM
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Both are equally horrible So none of them is worse? If your wife was having an affair it wouldn't matter whether or not she was sleeping with a man or writing love letters?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:42 PM
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Responses and Results Everyone: Gender Ages Men: Preferred count Ages Emotional vs. Physical affairs Sexual history Women: Preferred count Ages Emotional vs. Physical affairs Sexual history
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:25 PM
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You're seriously bringing that up? If you said "women don't like to be hit" and I responded with "You have obviously never been to a bdsm dungeon" you'd point out how silly my response is. Asia is a different world, different culture, and different rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:13 PM
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This is one of the cases where I somewhat agree with feminists. No one likes criticism, but Men are taught to deal with it. Having a thick skin and being able to take harsh language is part of being a man. Women never grow up learning to deal with critcism. They cry and people don't tell them to "toughen up". When they cry, people apologize and are sensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:09 PM
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Also. If another woman came up to me and said I made your husband cum like he's never before in his life. Well no not that's a different circumstance. That's her saying i pleased your husband more than you did. What I described is just her saying "I fucked your husband years ago". Doesn't even have to be good sex. Her past doesn't automatically mean she isn't emotionally, sexually, mentally satisfied in the relationship. If I used to have caviar for breakfast, would I be satisfied by eggs and ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:17 PM
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An example would be harsh criticism. Women are not treated equally. Managers and coaches can't just criticize women and point out their faults. Women tend to take criticism more personally (he's attacking my personality) rather than objectively. If men started to treat women as simply as they do men, loads of women would cite sexism, misogyny, or just hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:01 PM
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I don't think women can handle harsh criticism the way men can. Examples of positive sexism would probably be in work or sports. Managers and coaches have to be more sensitive when criticizing women. They can't just say "you're not making the cut. you need to improve x".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:58 PM
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Well staying together only means that they are staying together. Doesn't mean that both parties are emotionally and physically satisfied. Part of the reason for avoiding high counts has to do with fear of physical infidelity, sexual dissatisfaction ("she spent college fucking Fabio and now she's with me"), and negative experiences with high count women. I think it's male projection and them placing emphasis on sex and what it means that doesn't exactly translate to women. This is what TRP means …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:45 PM
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I think when TRP brings up "sluts" and "pair bonding" they are just hamstering the fact that he has a problem with the idea that his future wife has been with other men. Do you not think past actions are the best indicators of future behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:31 PM
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Recent discussion thread on AWALT: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3ahzi2/awalt/ "3: It is a defense mechanism/heuristic." I'll find more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:14 PM
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That is a different discussion entirely. How the request will be interpreted is a question of language and her emotions. The current discussion is on willingness to try sex acts previously done. As I described above, anal=/=pain. You really can start with something as small as lubricated pinky finger or something much smaller. Personally, I don't think woman should be forced to anything. I don't think they should be forced to even try anal if they did it with a previous partner. Willingness to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:01 PM
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You're deliberately misconstruing his point. Even if he wants to "pound you hard in the ass," no one is arguing that you should deal with the pain. Look at his earlier words: You'll experiment. And stop as soon as it becomes painful. With regards to anal this means a pinkie finger covered in lubricant. Maybe after a few weeks try the index finger and lubricant, etc. If an index finger causes great pain and makes you want to die, then oh well. Anal won't work. The point isn't that you must like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 04:46 PM
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I wouldn't have any qualms about it. Only question would be how many other guy's she has eaten out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:27 AM
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None at all. I had a slut eat my ass out and I'd prefer my girlfriend wasn't into that type of thing. I don't mind the experience inasmuch as I think it's trashy and would feel like every time I'm kissing my girlfriend, I'm kissing the ass of a guy she previously ate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:52 AM
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Also, I am half Samoan, half Russian, am I white? Or not? phenotype is more important than genotype in determining whether someone is white or not. It is pretty hard for a white guy to be incel. Yet there's hordes of white guys who are incel. Do you think they're simply fucking up or they have some challenges they need to overccome? Everyone's got their own issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:46 AM
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No diagnosis. Haven't seen a physician in 12 years so I could be be fucked up for all I know. Childhood: mostly normal. Minor bullying at 7 years old. Circle of friends as I got older. Failure with women until around age 16/17. Mood changes happen over a couple of hours. If I'm mindful I can notice them happening. Usually a result of negative thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:18 AM
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Media shows what people want. Not tell them what they want. At some point they're two sides of the same coin. This is essentially nature vs. nurture. Does media solely describe nature? Or does it nurture our desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:19 AM
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My point is that a lot of active dread game aligns with self improvement and actions that men in a deadbedroom relationship might naturally do. Whether or not you're trying to make your partner jealous. Leaving them alone, being less responsive, and spending your time on your hobbies is going to elicit the same response. The man who naturally talks to women is going to have as much dread game as the red piller who decides to do that to make his wife jealous. This is different from our prior disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:16 AM
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Remove the dread game label and simply look at actions: man pays less attention to a woman, spends more time reading, working out, and playing guitar. man also hangs out with friends and talks to more women. This is going to be viewed as man getting bored in a poor relationship and deciding to focus on himself rather than emotional abuse. Are you saying it's hard to believe that in such a scenario, the women could pay more attention to her husband's physical needs, and the relationship could rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:04 AM
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men are allowed to introduce the same "evidence" as women. Yet evidence from men is not carried in the same weight. From a political perspective, I strongly doubt a judge who favors women is going to get loads of backlash. He or she will be cited as progressive and feminist. Critics of he/she would be misogynist. think it happens a lot in a custody battle that women get someone to punch them in the eye and blame it on the husband? No. I have not commented on how often this happens. All I have sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:58 AM
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"He hit me, look I have a bruise" "He goes out late and comes home drunk every night." You're saying comments like those would not carry weight and would not affect custody decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:23 AM
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"> quoted text" quoted text Like that. ultimate goal is to make women happy I didn't say that nor was that my attention. In the extended examples of post-dread I simply wanted to provide an example of stable loving relationshio after dread. Specifically address the idea that dread always leads to fucked up relationships not replace that idea with the notiin that dread is a panacea. popularity of this game in deadbedrooms I meant in TRP and marriedTRP subreddits. I thought you did make it out Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:22 AM
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I don't agree with heartiste, but he's a mastermind. If i ever needed a lawyer or just personal advice I'd go to him. Better to have someone without a moral filter give you all the possibilities to reach your endgoal than receive 1 or 2 lousy suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:09 AM
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I'm not making a statement about all men. All I'm saying is: family courts are not egalitarian women are prefered custodians men have a higher chance of being fucked over than women do I'm not making any statements about the proportion of men that actually are fucked over. All I'm saying is usually when a person without a criminal history, a stable job, no mental health problems, etc. struggles to see their kids it is more often a man than a woman. Joint custody should be the automatic decision …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:06 AM
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I'm a fantastic man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:41 AM
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You've seen women with jobs and no history of violence lose custody of their kids? Possibly based on men telling stories of abuse? You've seen this happen to women as often as it does? Meaning you've seen men immediately gain custody as often as women do? I hope I don't catty. The way my questions are phrased might imply that I'm trying to be aggressive. I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:38 AM
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I don't see a situation where active dread game, the way you e described it, is ever necessary, healthy, or appropriate. In a philosophical sense no actions are necessary. So I'm not arguing about necessity, health, or appropriate. I'm just saying for some men their options are: dead bedroom/no desire or risking a bad divorce and never seeing kids. I just want to provide a perspective and move your views from something like "these men get off on hurting women" to "these are men are doing somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:35 AM
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I don't think the law is necessarily as stacked up against the losing party as you believe. Please please watch the first 4 minutes of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxNRtObt8no Do it for just another perspective. I'm not saying all divorces are this bad for men I'm not blaming women or even making a comment about women. I just want to show you that depending on: Your state or country's divorce laws How judges tend to interpret those laws How judges value personal testimony Divorce …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:21 AM
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It's random and predictable, Was this a typo? Did you mean unpredictable? Well with the low self esteem girl and the good looking girl, there are physical (or mental) differences in both girls that certainly affect their behavior and people's treatment of them. What's your response to the question that certain personality traits (low self esteem vs. confident, good looking, etc.) can affect behavior/treatment, but do not make a person more likely to have done certain actions? I'll present one mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:03 AM
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Well I'm not trying to moralize or say that dread is good. I'm not saying men have no choice. I just want to present the motivations of men and hopefully have your understand them. The hypothetical I gave you didn't require many far fetched assumptions. It just required these: Talking about sex hasn't made his wife genuinely want sex or be interested in sex. 10% divorces are very damaging for men. And we want to avoid being part of the 10%. Given our assumptions. These are the possible options a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 11:50 PM
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I don't have actual statistics (SRS, sample group, etc). This all anecdotal and based on a person's interesting with women. I'm just curious about your experiences and views. As I said before, discussions require that we give people the benefit the doubt. I believe you, but it just sounds so very alien to me. Interesting how people can have such antithetical beliefs. I disagree with you on almost every count, but it's been fun picking your brain. I know just as many Type A women that have cheate…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 11:37 PM
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Honestly you're speaking to someone with a count of over 300 who is head over heels with her husband. People change all the time. I've seen the biggest "free spirits" turn into the most domestic house wives and the sweetest virgins or girls with low partner counts fuck their partners over for someone completely random. Yes I'm speaking to a person. But I'm talking about statistical proportions. There are individualwomen whose experiences affirm and reject any/all ideas in dating and social dynam…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 11:29 PM
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Well the divorce laws are another discussion. Give me the benefit of the doubt and say that in 10% of cases men are badly fucked over. And we're trying to avoid being part of the 10%. All you're doing is putting your own frustration/resentment/blame on the other party to the marriage. Well what other routes do we have? We've established that sex can be as important as women needing to feel loved and valued. We've also established that talking doesn't create attraction. So what options does our m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 11:21 PM
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Well it's not just about his sex life. It's about the inherent risk in relationships; the information asymmetry I brought up. Can I assume this? Women can have a variety of reasons or motivations for being with a man and getting married. You don't want your son to be hurt, mislead, or lied to by someone that he deeply loves. The question isn't about safe sex or sex in general, but the risk that relationship brings. Your son falls in love with someone and truly, deeply loves them. Do you think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 11:11 PM
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Even if you would struggle to see your kids? Your husband gets custody and you can only see them for 10-15 hours a week? You pay tens of thousands of dollars in attorney fees just for visitation/partial custody; the right to see your kids twice a week? You now have have to pay maybe 1000-2000 dollars a month in combined alimony/child support? Your friends and family all turn against you and call you heartless bastard for "only wanting sex" out of your wife. Other options: 2.) Stay in sexless rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 11:08 PM
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Well I am of the opinion that if you are no longer attracted to someone, it's time to move on I'm talking about a man who is very attracted to his wife. And a wife who no longer thinks about sex and feels disgusted at the thought of her husband wanting to have sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 10:52 PM
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Hmm. I find a lot of your experience extremely foreign, almost alien. For a conversation to happen we have to give people a certain benefit of the doubt. So I'm going to believe you. I just want to present my side of things. The main risk of a relationship is information asymmetry. You can never know how your partner feels. You can never know that they feel as strongly about you as you do about them. The actions and traits that make a person a good prostitute also make them great at lying to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 10:49 PM
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that the best way to handle it is to address it head on and honestly. That was my attitude and the attitude of many redpillers, but we've come across a shared truth: attraction cannot be negotiated. You can't talk your wife into wanting to have sex with you or initiating sex. At the very best you can talk your wife into laying flat and star fishing, but who wants that? That's no fun. For a lot of men sex and being desired is a fun way to connect. The very action of mutual desire and spending an …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 10:28 PM
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I mean as in they pay you for sex, but are they deluded in the sense that you could really enjoy it if they put effort in? Like giving you oral or massages and thinking "wow, I am a great guy. I think about her pleasure, too"? I feel like a lot of her clients are that beta. There's probably some lads who tell themselves "she actually likes me" or "she's attracted to me". Some lads who pay to go down on her, etc. I'm sure attraction does happen, but her main job is being pleasant and welcoming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 10:12 PM
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How would I best avoid hooking up with a former prostitute or promiscuous woman. Is your relationship open? How does your husband feel about your work? Why marriage at such an early age? Do you think your marriage will last? Do you think your work and large amount of relationships has affected your ability to be intimate? If you spend work sleeping with a client, does having sex with your husband feel like an intimate shared experience or is it like doing the dishes? If you're upper middle class…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 10:10 PM
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Like /u/Reginleifer said the difference is intent. When a person is naturally talkative, talks to strangers, and talks to girls. There is no dread or manipulation. When TRP tells you to always talk to people, always talk to women, and keep yourself sharp, it is manipulative. Game appear to be the active kind you are referring to. I, personally, would never stay with someone who thought that would be a good way of keeping me around. There are a lot of married men with dead bedrooms that are effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 09:57 PM
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That's not being prude, that's being uncomfortable discussing sex with a woman. All it takes is one comment and a woman can label you as misogynist, woman hater, whatever. Doesn't matter what actually happened. Her words will have more weight than yours. There's also the fact that most men don't want to hear about how you'd like to go down on a guy or how cute a hairy guy is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 09:39 PM
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Why is it trollish behavior for this woman to call herself a Blue Pill Strong Independent Feminist Woman Social Justice Warrior? Because many people who call themselves SJWs or feminists focus on very silly subjects. Recent examples would be the scientist Tim Hunt (falsely accused of sexism) or the workplace A/C fiasco. When you say you're a feminist or SJW, this is what I imagine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxY-5ISEHPg&feature=iv&src_vid=iARHCxAM…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 09:26 PM
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Dread game is just a tool in the arsenal. There is passive dread. I'm a fit, confident, and interesting person; if she doesn't put effort into the relationship I'll find someone else. Similarly she's beautiful and fun to be around, If I don't put in the work there are many other men who will. Then there is active dread game. This has its own categories. The highest form of active dread game is flirting with her friends, withdrawing attention/emotional validation, and focusing on oneself. Passive…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 09:01 PM
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For me, dread game is just a tool in the arsenal; both the first type and second type. There is passive dread. I'm a fit, confident, and interesting person; if she doesn't put effort into the relationship I'll find someone else. Similarly she's beautiful and fun to be around, If I don't put in the work there are many men who will. Then there is active dread game. This has its own categories. The highest form of active dread game is what you mentioned; flirting with her friends, withdrawing atten…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 08:58 PM
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I agree if his injury requires 6-8 months of rest from upper body exercises, he won't lose that much upper body mass as long as he continues lower body lifts and high protein consumption.
/r/TheRedPill05/08/15 08:44 PM
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Farmers walks, towel pull ups, and wrist curls. Forearms are hard to grow, but not as bad as calves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 07:39 PM
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Sexuality in marriage is very different than sexuality in a lustful relationship. Are you telling me that married women are sexual aroused by provider characteristics? Why is that married women who cheat on their husbands don't cheat on them with intelligent, honest, or confident men (traits that women often cite as most attractive)? Lust is not fleeting. I'm not talking about building a marriage based on lust. I'm talking about the fact that women say x is most attractive, yet they spend a majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 07:37 PM
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Only if you assume that all people are interested in the same things. An intelligent person would realize that the intelligence they find interesting may be meaningless in a woman. A woman might value height, looks, and confidence as much as our man values intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 07:34 PM
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The attacks aren't specifically against TRP. Look at the early attacks against /r/seduction. Seddit is honestly just about game and picking up women; little discussion on women's nature or whatever. But it in it's early days seddit received the same vitriol and claims of misogyny that TRP now receives. How do you respond to this? The common theme among both seddit and TRP is enabling men; turning betas into alphas. This is not what women want. Women only want naturals. It's why TRP and the "mano…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 02:44 PM
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Marriage and kids = thousands of workers. Remove kids and couples only need to work enough for rent and food. Rest of their time can be spent dancing, reading, doing whatever. That benefits people, but hurts labor supply, and employers. The very people who fund politicians and allow them to keep their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 02:41 PM
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Romance and sexually go together they aren't separate. They are related, but not one and the same. There are two types of attraction: sexual and romantic. At my church, I know a lot of women who talk about how much they love their husbands and are attracted to their honesty, intelligence, ambition, etc. I'm sure these women are being honest, but their words are very misleading. I strongly doubt that their panties are soaked when they think about their husbands doing the dishes or reading a book …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 02:37 PM
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Attraction is not obligatory. White women (or women in general) don't need to give anyone the time of day. Look at it this way: you can't be interested in a woman because of her looks, and feel shocked that she's not interested in you because of your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 02:30 PM
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He doesn't need to plate her.
/r/TheRedPill05/08/15 11:42 AM
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Everyday is legday. Start cutting. When you can lift, you'll be starting from a lower bodyfat.
/r/TheRedPill04/08/15 07:21 PM
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Then what's your response to the higher amount of marriage breakups among promiscuous women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:19 PM
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80/20 is just a general idea of the men who have the most sex and most interested in women. Let's use the 80/20 rule as an example though: My sister finds 1/5 men attractive. 1/5 of attractive men she meets are interested in a relationship. 1/5 of attractive relationship oriented men she meets have similar personalities, chemistry with her, and find my sister attractive. So that's 1/125 until she finds an alpha with a similar personality who wants a relationship. 32 weeks per academic year 4 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:18 PM
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My point is that AF is what leads to divorces and resentment in BB marriages. We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:10 PM
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I'm not saying there are countless alphas going around. I'm saying there is a low supply of good relationship material women: low count, good personality, and varied interests.If she enters that set of woman, she will eventually find her guy. Like I said most alpha men will leave or fuck around on her and then tell her she's the one. Well what do you mean by most? 7/10 alphas will do this? 8/10? The solution really is to go on a search and find the alpha with family goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:00 PM
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I'm not saying that women don't enjoy sex with alphas. I'm saying that sex doesn't exist in a bubble. There is a strong correlation between promiscuity and marriage failure Well how hard do you think it is to find? Do you think it's likely that a 6 spends her college days 18-22 trying to find a confident and masculine male 6 is going to fail? Or is there a decent chance of her finding a suitable guy? And if she fails, is it in her best interests to: devalue herself to the guys she's trying to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:58 PM
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Not all. There are as many alphas struggling to find non-whores as there are women struggling to find confident men who want a relationship. Most "alpha men" well leave her if she's not having sex. This is where she has to qualify herself beyond her looks. Why is my sister more than a hole for an alpha to rest his dick? This where I'll tell my sister to read books, play an instrument, have varied interests, and generally be an interesting woman. My p.e. teacher in grade school was probably the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:52 PM
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AFBB is literally the next best option for her. Have you seen the studies about promiscuity and marriage failure? The best option is for her to get pumped and dumped by a circle of bros and eventually marry an office worker who she is not attracted to? And at which point does she decide to quit the search for an alpha husband and just fuck around? You're assuming that it's really difficult to find an alpha male. In every intramural sports club, business leaders of tomorrow meeting, etc. There ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:47 PM
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Well it's bullshit: Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier. When you are youngest and most attractive fuck the bad boys and the cool boys. When you are older marry the egalitarian. He is really sexy, those bad boys you fucked in your 20s are not sexier than him. No one has a problem with her detailing AF/BB. Her advice is just shitty. Assuming most women want a relationship with an al…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:36 PM
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No hate. I just think it's poor advice. For women who want casual sex without a relationship, it's good advice; but they don't really need it, they know what to do. For women who want long-term relationships with a quality, playing the field is poor advice. Sleeping around, fucking on the first date, etc. devalue you to the quality guy you're trying to attract. You're probably going to end up with a boring, unattractive husband that you give monthly duty sex to. Maybe I'm making a lot of poor as…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:32 PM
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You might fight this amusing: Tupac goes from a nice guy to a pimp
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 07:16 PM
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Well poly is a different scenario. He's not a 9-5 engineer trying to marry and have kids with you I imagine. I'm guessing you both started out as poly, or he is as interested in it as you are? These are just my feelings by the way. I think with certain subjects like poly, open relationship, swinging, etc., if a relationship starts out monogamous and the girl suggests an open relationship or poly, that's a horrible sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 05:07 PM
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Did any of those religious guys know about your sexual history? I'm not trying to be a cunt, but my opinion is that the only men who would accept a high count girl are effeminate, low confident men, without a lot of options. Especially if I was religious, I'd prefer the girl who had been religious her whole life and focused on work instead of dating. Rather than the girl who had loads of flings, a sudden conversion, and decides that she wants marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 04:50 PM
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no sex before marriage thing This is every guys nightmare. Dating a girl who's had loads of fun, adventurous sex with fwbs or minor flings, but decides to wrap things up for marriage. Drives men insane. The female equivalent is a guy who buys his girlfriends, flowers, takes her out to 5 star restaurants, etc. But with his new girlfriend, possible fiancee, he takes her out to diner once a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 04:32 PM
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sex that are less physically attractive than you that hit on you / were interested in you, have you turned down, rejected Better question would be what percent of the opposite sex you're interested in. For short-term dating most people aren't going to bat in the minor leagues. People go for their levels or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 11:11 PM
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Now that I didn't know. Is he a meme like Ainsley or is he just teased like Piers Morgan?
/r/TheRedPill02/08/15 10:58 PM
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I saw that ad whilst watching a Bayern match and loved it. British humor is always refreshing.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/15 07:03 PM
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I would've imagined all the men are outside playing soccer or snorting coke. Both keep people pretty thin.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 06:17 PM
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1 doesn't that bad. Anyone falls in love with you after getting to know them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 06:02 PM
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Easily 1. More important things in life than casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 05:59 PM
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Not at all. I've gone to catholic school all of my life: Kissing and dating was ok No pressure to marry early Friends and family don't ditch you for losing faith (numerous atheists in my catholic high school) Hell I even had a deacon tell me that and some boys that the physical sensation of masturbation is ok, but lusting after women is not. I'm pretty sure that was his opinion rather than church doctrine, but nevertheless there was no strong pressure to repress sexual urges. The only pressure w…
/r/TheRedPill02/08/15 03:53 AM
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You are not women. You are a woman. If the generalization doesn't fit you, that does not mean it's false. I believe your story. I just offered my experiences and those of many many men on TRP. When asking women about what they like, saying "tall, handsome, and dominant" is rarely the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 03:34 AM
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Video ads can be fun. Pictures, posters, and branding is tiring. Brit ad Much better than the "childrens education" bullshit America spouts with ours.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/15 03:22 AM
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which is probably one of the reasons I find Red Pill talk of plate spinning so distasteful. Don't knock it until you try it. All it takes is a bit more testosterone and you'd get your own plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 02:18 AM
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It takes a certain amount of discipline for a man to turn down the advances of a woman who is interested in him and to stay celibate by choice just because he feels she isn't good enough for him. It takes a low sex drive or a very crazy woman. Not hard to reject a relationship and proceed to sleep with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 02:00 AM
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Your tone is heated, divisive, and alienates your opposition. Best to start off with a question and a short argument with the vido as an example. Saying 100% redpill is not going to make bluepillers seriously consider your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 11:50 PM
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This is a horrible thread. Not how you start a debate or discussion. I actually agree with you, but come on...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 11:42 PM
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Lol I know 7s and above who do all of those. I also know some 7s who do nothing. Comparing the 7s and above to average people, I'd say they are no less likely to work hard or make something of themselves. Most of history's giants are 5s or 6s because that's the average. You also have to account for the fact that 7s and aboves are less common than 5s and 6s. One 9 being in a group is probably equivalent to four or five 6s. What is a 7 to you OP? Post a picture of a male 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 11:17 PM
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What do you mean by take you seriously? For any discussion to occur you have to listen to someone and give them the benefit of the doubt in certain things (their personal anecdotes). Examples of not taking women seriously in PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 10:56 PM
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Could we not replace Russell Brand with a very attractive and seductive woman and achieve the same result? I suppose this could easily justify many of their comments but a question still has to be asked, why do they frame this as a uniquely female behavior? Sure you could, but you have to look at several things: the history of most red pillers, the audience of TRP, and the general advice or comments women make about attraction vs. men's comments. Most TRPers are former nice guys. They're shading…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 10:54 PM
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Just my personal experiences with them. Many people will say that they are different or marriage material, but they're just like western women (often times worse): loud, demanding, boring, materialistic, etc. If I meet a great African, I'll get into a relationship with her. But I'm not really looking at or actively considering Africans. Be sure to read this post from another African: TheRedPill/comments/3bn9s6/fr_my_story_she_is_not_who_you_think_she_is_15/ edit: TRP bot removed my full link
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 07:28 PM
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Joining the challenge. Sleep needs to be improved.
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 07:16 PM
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who believe it as an absolute truth. It's easier to blur the lines. When I come across men like Russell Brand, true alpha males, and see how women respond to them it's hard not believe that women go crazy for an alpha male. Example 1 Example 2 Example 3 Example 4 These aren't starstruck fans. They're minor to major celebrities, who've met loads of famous people, and probably have successful boyfriends. Women young and old. Yet if you watch the videos and look into their eyes you just know Brand …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 06:59 PM
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I'm African and I vehemently oppose the idea of you marrying, especially Africans. You have to realize that you are the prize. Focus on school and your career. Workout daily, socialize, and maybe party once a month. But keep your eyes on the prize. When you're a single 30 year old man making 90k£/year what do you want your life to be like? Do you want to spend your weekends traveling to Ibiza, Prague, Luxembourg? Visiting friends on their boat, climbing mountains? Or do you want a wife that bitc…
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 06:43 PM
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There is no proof. It's essentially like your Dad sitting you down and telling you how to deal with girls. The general process of how TRP ideas were formed is similar to this: Behaviors/actions in society that often elicit the same response. Behaviors/actions of successful men vs. unsuccessful men. Common behaviors of women TRP is shared anecdotes. Take what is useful, disregard what isn't. If it helps you reach your goals and improves your life then it's useful; doesn't really matter whether or…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 06:18 PM
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Just curious what's wrong with females?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 06:11 PM
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I don't know enough about economics to answer workforce technology questions. I do know that virtual reality will change everything. Maybe not now, but 30-40 years down the line? Whether it's romance: Her or even videogames. Men don't like war, but the idea of war, first-person shooters, army games. If technology ever gets good enough for video games to be as immersive as the matrix I'm not sure if I would be able to resist reliving Band of Brothers. Of course women will have their own fantasies…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 06:09 PM
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Well you guys did come up with εὐδαιμονία. Alimony is often treated as a way to maintain living status rather than provide support until the wife (possibly a housewife) can reeducate herself and enter the workforce. Regardless of income, alimony should be no more than $30,000 a year. Older women receive it for 8-9 years; enough time to educate themselves and find a job. Younger women receive it for 4-5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 06:00 PM
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Aggressive post titles like yours will just limit your responses and reduce discussion. Use more open ended, less inflammatory titles. For example: "CMV Marriage is a bad idea for younger men" I agree with you btw. Bill Burr put things best.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 05:56 PM
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Exactly. And if it happened to him, loyalty is not to be expected. So it makes sense for the man not to be loyal as well. That's a pre-emptive action. Sounds more like rationalization and less like realizing that your partner wouldn't do the same for you. Ideally: before marriage there are going to be times when a man is vulnerable (emotionally, physically, loses confidence, etc.) and his woman has the choice to leave or withdraw vs. help support the man. Actions towards a wife or girlfriend sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 05:52 PM
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Anytime. I'm curious do you think preselection true or false? Do you think it occurs in a majority of women or just a small minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 05:43 PM
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What I meant was there are experiences that reaffirm and contradict every idea in romance and dating. Example: Women love to be punched in the face and beaten with a belt. I'm sure out of the 157,000,000 women in America, there are women who love that. Why this idea isn't repeated? Because those women are rare minority maybe 1 out of 100,000. From what I said above, the correct response when looking at dating idea is not really determining whether not it occurs, but how common it is. I don't car…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 05:29 PM
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I, I, me, I, me It's about statistical proportions not individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 04:39 AM
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The important lesson here is to understand the girl. This is why you are an endorsed poster.
/r/TheRedPill31/07/15 11:51 PM
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How do stable, enduring lesbian relationships without a male to keep his frame and be the captain fit within this paradigm? One of the women is dominant? some relationships have no dominant person Redpill is a model; loose representation of reality focused on application rather than theory. There are relationships, men, and women that disagree with every idea in RP. There are relationships, men, and women that disagree with every idea or comment about sex/romance in general. What matters is what…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 11:47 PM
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Well hello to you too. I think you're supposed to pay me to use that name.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:54 PM
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Most times when AWALT is brought up it's shit like having less intelligence That is not part of AWALT. Mean intelligence of men and women is around the same. However more men at the higher and lower percentiles. Women are as intelligent as men they are simply more emotional. That is part of AWALT. not capable of STEM fields, Not listed in AWALT. At best AWALT says that women are less interested in STEM. being unable to "love like a man", being unable to fight some sort of neanderthal base instin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:54 PM
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it was still completely obvious that all men, even decent ones, care about physical appearance. Maybe I'm just less trusting, IDK. Men don't hide their sexual preferences. Begining at middle school you'll always overhear guys talking about attractive women. Attractive actors in the latest blockbuster, attractive math teachers, etc. what men say they are attracted to = what men are attracted to. Women are very vague and only reveal selective elements of what they find attractive. Often times thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:34 PM
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"if you want what you've never had you must do what you've never done" i obviously wasn't doing things right so i abandoned every belief and started from scratch.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:21 PM
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The idea of "most responsible teenager" is that she can be a surgeon, lawyer, whatever. There will still be moments when she acts emotionally and you'll have to remain unresponsive and keep her grounded. In my family the most successful people are women. My Mom's a pharmacist and my aunt's an oncologist. They're both more educated than me and older than me, but I'd say I'm more grounded. When there's an emergency from small to big: someone's about to miss a flight, kids are late to a doctor's ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:12 PM
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I'm not sure how many would or would not be amused by it. I just said that it's a masculine tendency that a lot of women could be annoyed buy. I say masculine, because they're not many female comedians that would do the same thing. It's very rare to see women that have the same stage presence of great male comedians.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:07 PM
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How much does he sleep around? Fairly often. He's usually seeing a new girl every week. Does he ever have relationships? No he doesn't. He just casually dates until things fizzle out. What is the quality of the relationship? He hangs out and has sex with these women for a few weeks to months. They want a relationship, he's not interested, and things end. If he sees her only when it's convenient for him but she wants more, that's a flag. Yes mostly. He doesn't worry about her or think about her a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:05 PM
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Perhaps your personality meshes better with men, maybe mine meshes better with women (no shocker there) but that in no way proves men are more interesting, or women are more interesting. This could definitely be it. Maybe a lot of what I find interesting or engaging about men is due to me being a man. There are lots of interesting moments or events that I find to mostly occur with men. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu-CN2C-nJI That's a moment from comedian's stand up gig. He's telling a story,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:54 PM
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There are moments when it's useful moments when it falls through. When looking at the value of men and women in casual sex vs. relationships, supply/demand is a useful aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:50 PM
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You haven't fully understood the idea. It's not saying that every women is an emotion. It is that women are given more leeway to be emotional or irrational, and because of that leeway they are often more emotional/irrational than men (who don't have such leeway). The idea isn't simply that women are more unintelligent than men or that they are all failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:47 PM
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honestly, the idea of apply economic principles to dating and social dynamics was an amazing idea. it's explained so much of the world around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:43 PM
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Sucessful goal-oriented people are more likely to interact with succesful goal-oriented people. This isn't about individuals, but populations and general trends. The true ratio of interesting women:interesting men is unknown. All we have is the sum of our individual experiences. As I said above, there is no objectivity; this is not scientific. I'm not closed to interesting women. As I meet them I acknowledge it. If I move to an area where men are boring bums, I'll acknowledge that. There is defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:41 PM
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Women want to be desired by the best men with the most options. For men, sex = desire and validation. For women, relation w/ alpha = validation
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:30 PM
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I think most people are pretty boring and lead standard lives. I just think that the average guy with a 9-5 has a higher chance of having a giant model train set in his basement that he stays up at night building, than the average girl does of having a closet full of clothes that she knits or binder of drawings. What's stopping me from saying "The women I know love traveling, cooking, art, fiction writing, entrepreneurship! (which is actually true) Meanwhile, all men like is sitting around watch…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:29 PM
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good catch I missed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:20 PM
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Ok then I'll rephrase it. How would a redpiller act in a social circle? What actions would he do so that you can tell he's a redpiller and ignore/remove him from your social group?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:19 PM
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There is no objectivity; this is not scientific. I believe men are more interesting because I meet more men with obscure or unknown interests than I do women. Look at things like: music, art, writing, film, kayaking, etc. Most of the really successful people in those fields are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:18 PM
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An alpha is the only man. Men who aren't alpha don't exist; they're not on the radar. So I guess only 1/5 men have something to offer to women. Look at all the "where have all the good men gone" articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:14 PM
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Relationships: I think the nature of social and sexual dynamics lend itself to this. Men go out, approach, and sell themselves. Whilst women get approached and have to be won over. There are outliers though handsome, physically masculine men can often act very stoic, women build a persona around them, and be viewed as very attractive. Friendships: My male friends almost always have an interesting hobby or interest. One of my friends does guns and offroading. There's my friends from soccer, my fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:12 PM
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Validation. Confident, assertive men usually have lots of options. When they decide to stop seeing other women and focus on one girl that's a very fulfilling thing. These men can receive sex from other women, sometimes more attractive, but there is something about one girl that makes him burn his phone book and commit to her. I imagine that's a very powerful feeling for a girl to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:06 PM
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That's more of a question for women. I think women generally need relationships and emotional validation more than men do. Whilst most men are comfortable with sex alone and sexual needs are more important. Actually answering your question, Men are more engaging and have more varied interests than women. Women are often just along for the ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:02 PM
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By honest discussion, I mean an exchange of ideas. You tell me problems that you have with TRP and I respond to them. I may be wrong, but comments like: Well since all women are shit testers and I am a woman I will act the way you think all women do and not tell and just say, "wow he does not get it". Lead me to think you're exaggerating TRP ideas, you don't quite understand them, or they seem very far fetched. Remove the word honest if you prefer. My main point is that we aren't going to get an…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:56 PM
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Loser, winner, those are labels; not relevant to our discussion. We're talking about change. Imagine the hypothetical scenario of a virgin beta changing his actions, beliefs, and becoming more successful with women. I don't understand how understand how discussion of ideas online would negate this change? Assume he even pays people to tell him his ideas are 100% right. That does not negate the change in his romantic/sexual life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:51 PM
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I agree with most of it. Women don't have secret clubs, they just know it instinctively. This is much scarier.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:46 PM
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Are you here to have an honest discussion or trade one liners? I'm not trying to be abrasive. There are many people that criticize RP ideas before understanding them. Once those ideas are explained the discussion often moves from "this never happens; redpillers are delusional" to "this rarely happens".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:41 PM
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1.) Intention Intention is hard, almost impossible at times, to prove. Proving intention usually requires access to a persons thoughts or certain assumptions about the rationale of an action. Discussions about intention will probably boil down to anecdotes: TRP: negative anecdotes TBP/Purple: positive anecdotes Anecdotes are useful only when they help us come to a conclusion about the true proportion. If most anecdotes about x are positive, then it's fair to assume x is positive; this of course …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:38 PM
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I am in on the shit test conspiracy Do you intentionally misunderstand TRP ideas or do you not understand them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:25 PM
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