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Pretty sure women would have done just fine if men weren't around. They'd have been able to develop tools to help them when needed. Hell, tech development might have been faster because they couldn't rely on brute strength so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 10:56 PM
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I don't agree that the obligation exists. But my post wasn't about whether or not it exists, it was about whether the poster held that belief or not and whether it was consistent with the rest of their ideology. So by saying that, the intention was to highlight the presupposition and expose that they believe the obligation exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:06 PM
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Does your equation presume a single-factor pipeline? Only one condition has to be met to get laid? No. It's based on previous posts by this OP to highlight their inconsistent ideology. Why does this statement presume being good creates an want-fulfilling obligation in another party who did not enter into any sort of agreement in the first place? Because that's the presupposition I wanted to expose.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:51 PM
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not how men experience dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:48 PM
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This is dumb. Women prefer their own age. If a man is seeking a woman between 18-30, that man is going to struggle if he's over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:02 PM
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Not sure what you're getting at here. There are some biological realities about abortion that a paper abotion cannot replicate. This feels like you're gunning for a kind of equality that doesn't exist, more as a misguided kind of retribution than anything else. Say, if you wanted every guy who decided on a paper abortion to get a kick in the nuts (at a minimum) as a part of that deal "for equality", are you also for the idea that men should get equal romantic attention as women do, "for equality…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 07:23 PM
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she's a big boy now, I like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:41 PM
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Don't have to focus on casual sex. Should be using preventatives in all contexts. If the pregnancy is accidental, I assume she has considered her own abortion too? In which case I still don't see what the problem is? If she decides to go to term that is her decision still. The fact that abortion is being attacked as an option is another topic and one I will defend you on. Abortion should be made accessible and safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:28 PM
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Your interpretation relies on adding words that aren't there though? So I don't know why it should be considered?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:26 PM
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They dispute the interpretation, not the logic. You are also free to dispute my interpretation, but first you have to accept the logic. At the moment, you're point-blank refusing to see my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:01 PM
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What she says literally doesn't make sense without that assumption about her beliefs. Don't know how clearer it can really be tbh, it very much is real. If it isn't then show me how you can say what she said, without needing to believe what she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:00 PM
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Projection and a refusal to take accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:51 PM
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Didn't correct me...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:51 PM
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They didn't correct me lol??? Projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:51 PM
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What assumption? Okay, I've clearly communicated the inference and she has the opportunity to correct it or propose an alternative interpretation that will make equal sense. It's not like I wouldn't budge, but there needs to be an acknowledgement of the inference before that can start. My perception is based on the words being used. They are in tandem, not seperate, one cannot be more important than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:49 PM
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I have. The other person understood. You haven't. You have chosen not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:42 PM
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I have plenty of proof, you're just refusing to acknowledge it. Because you have motivated reasoning. Others have seen my logic and they do not dispute it; just you. Take your bad faith elsewhere please, I have no use for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:41 PM
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Inference is the basis of communication. If you infer a thing, you communicate a thing. A thing does not need to be explicitly said for it to be understood. If that inference is incorrect once it has been exposed, she has the opportunity to correct it. So far, she has refused to acknowledge the inference - which just tells me that she is acting in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:38 PM
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I'm sorry I can't make the inference more granular, I've broken down the steps as far as I can. This is a breakdown in communication. I will continue to believe you are inconsistent in your beliefs and just hate men, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:36 PM
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it says that people seeing you being an asshole will prevent it. that's not what she said. She said: he was still being an asshole There's no perception from others implied. If she meant something different, then she has the opportunity to clarify, but this is still a report of what she said to another man, so it's still an example of a woman telling a man that being a good person will get them laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:26 PM
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With no evidence that I did. We've been talking about the evidence that I've given. Wow, I don't think I can talk to you anymore, it's like talking to a goldfish. Where did you see me say “being a good person gets la men laid”? I’m still waiting for you to show me where I said this. You implied it. It is a necessary belief to have for your statement to make sense. Are you actually reading what I'm saying or what??? I'm being ragebaited or what? Because women arent seeing how you took our words a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:17 PM
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Men also risk STIs, men also risk being responsible for a child, men also risk shit sex, reputational damage in some contexts and cultures. If you're talking about risk of pregnancy: I'm pretty sure I directly addressed those risks in the first thing I said. Condoms. Non-PIV sex. birth control. All three. Hopefully, soon, male contraceptive. Those women who want to fuck using those preventative measures, will continue to fuck using those preventative measures. Risk of pregnancy has already been …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:05 PM
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No that's not what I said. I said you have stated that you believe you don't need to be a good person to get laid. You have stated this belief because you're annoyed that men keep saying women tell them that being a good person will get them laid. I have pointed out that this frustration is unreasonable because you tell men that being a good person will get them laid. I have evidenced that you say this by reference to the inference from your post. What you said was: For example, a guy was tellin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:01 PM
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Nope. You're motivated right now because you've been caught out with an inconsistent ideology and rather than confront that cognitive dissonance you'd rather point fingers and shout about "motivated reasoning". Otherwise, you'd explain how what you said is congruent with your stated beliefs. You've made no such attempt. Because they are not congruent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:56 PM
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nope. we can comment here. I'm not interested in going into another thread. I want to keep the context of what you have said available in this comment chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:50 PM
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I really don't like that "giving it up" terminology. Sex isn't a thing that women have to give to men. It's a joint experience between two people. Yeah, sure, I agree with you. I just don't think it'll change much from how it is right now. Fewer babies, probably, because women will want to be more certain of the relationship. But women who want casual sex will have casual sex at basicaly the same rate because those couples are already doing the things they need to do to be safe anyway. The ven d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:43 PM
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I struggle to believe that risk of pregnancy is a deciding factor in getting laid because mitigations are available, effective, and popular. So I doubt that paper abortion would have much impact. Like, if women really wanted to have sex, they'd make it happen lol - the risks can be mitigated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:35 PM
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That response is not congruent with the beleif that being an asshole is not associated with getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:31 PM
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that's fair, go queen :) get yours
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:20 PM
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Because if you believed assholes can get laid, you would not have said: he was still being an asshole because he was trying to use doing charity as a way to get laid as a reason for him not being able to get laid. Because that would not make sense. Him being an asshole should be irrelevant. I can't get more granular than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:17 PM
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If you beleived you can be an asshole and get laid, why would you tell him that being an asshole is stopping him from getting laid? The only logical reason I can see, is that you actually believe that being an asshole is stopping him from getting laid, and he needs to do things that are not asshole-like in order to get laid. In this case, that non-asshole behaviour is doing a good thing like working for charity without ulterior motive. If you believed you didn't need to be a good person to get l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:11 PM
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oh, they're just misogynist then. and biphobic lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:04 PM
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For example, a guy was telling me that telling women he worked for a charity didn’t work, so it showed that women don’t care about men being good. He didn’t seem to comprehend when I explained to him that he was still being an asshole because he was trying to use doing charity as a way to get laid. The implication being: If he did charity work because he was a good person, and not to get laid, then he would be a good person, and being a good person would get him laid. But the truth being: you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:03 PM
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Women have never told men that. You have literally tried to tell me that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:59 PM
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Sure. Doesn't mean you need to be a good person to get laid tho. You don't even need to be a good person to have friends. You said in previous posts that you were annoyed at men saying that they were told they needed to be good people to get laid. But here, you're trying to tell men that they need to be good people to get laid. All I'm doing is pointing out your inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:16 PM
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Yes. Lol, fucking women is how I made most of my friends. But I'm a special case with CPTSD. I don't really understand what you're trying to say tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:11 PM
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Wait, do you mean double up as in birth control + condom, or two condoms?? Because two condoms is a no no!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:04 PM
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You're moralising sex again. You don't have to be a good person to get laid. I thought you were annoyed that men were told that you have to be a good person to get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 02:02 PM
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You can respect current and former sex workers and support their rights without wanting to date a sex worker and not be a SWERF. Sure. But it would make you a hipocrit and prejudice, probably. Depending on the reason. You can not want to date an asexual person without being acephobic. Depending on the structure of the relationship you're negotating, it could be acephobic. With bisexuality, a woman may [objectively] view the attraction to men as a "feminine" quality (overwhelmingly observed in wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:52 PM
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I say that because every time people bring up being agreeable, emotionally stable, and being genuinely good, the manosphere immediately complain thats weakness and being a doormat. Wait, is being likeable associated with being a good person or not? Because if you're trying to say you need to be a good person to be likable, and that you need to be likable to get laid, then you're telling men they need to be good people to get laid. Which is something you've said is not true before. And I think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:42 PM
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Keep on with the condom, it's safer because it will protect you from STIs too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:16 PM
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Wear a condom. Have oral. You don't have to have sex that leads to babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:12 PM
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I don't think these risks are actually being considered when women are looking at men, because their mitigations are readily available and very efficient. Everyone should be using condoms. Everyone should be considering forms of sex other than penis in vagina. So, no, I don't accept that risk of pregnancy is the primary inhibitor to women dating men when mitigations of that risk are available, effective, and equally sought after by both men and women. I am very much looking forward to male contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:08 PM
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Fair cop 'guvna. I don't buy it though. Sorry I've gotten a little tired of this discussion tbh, I've been at it for too long. I might come back tomorrow, probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 08:11 PM
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Okay, then feminists need to encode biology into their system for understanding the world. At the moment, one key tenet of feminism is a complete rejection of any bioessentialism. If they want to keep some bioessentials, then they'll have to explain how it fits. Because otherwise, they'll have to say no, actually, women's implicit bias against feminine traits is culturaly learned, not biological. Currently, I'm not on any side of the fence regarding that debate - there's not enough evidence eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:54 PM
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I'll be honest, I do have an agenda when I use charged language. But it's not what you think! It's because I want to shed a light on the flakey attitude a lot of so-called progressives have with specifially male sexuality. I want societies idea of masculinity to expand, and this topic is a perfect way to expose that implicit bias against male presentation of feminine traits. Literally don't care who they fuck. Just want them to confront their own bigotry. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:42 PM
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Agreed. And yes. Although I will admit to prejudice where it comes to bisexual women, I do have those threesome fantasies. Hey, something for me to work on too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:39 PM
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Apologies, this stuff is confusing sometimes. I hope the gist of what I was trying to say got across and not any malice, I was focused on the sexual attraction because I think that's the point of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:57 PM
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You're putting words in my mouth again, please stop. you would be fine if they said they find male sexuality disgusting generally as long as they fuck men who wear dresses Nope. They can fuck whoever they like. You know I think that because I fucking said it. You're ignoring what I'm saying. I'm exiting the conversation because you're not listening. I've got a fat blue haired barista to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:42 PM
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I think you still think I'm trying to cooerce women into dating bisexual men by calling them bigoted. I'm really really not trying to do that. They can fuck who they like, I don't give a shit. I am not a bisexual man and bisexual men are not crying about not being able to fuck a bigot. What I am trying to do is put a light on how some progressive women are fake. I want to show how some lefty progressives are fake and I want their ideas of who a man can be to change. Some people are bigots becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:30 PM
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No I don't understand. The topic is around straight women dating bisexual men. If a woman is disgusted by male sexuality then they are not straight. If they are not straight then they are not the subject of discussion. I'm not sure what the blue haired fat barista has got to do with anything, is she the straight woman? But I thought you were saying women were asexual, not straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:16 PM
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Ah! Yes I wasn't clear. I was working with the thread in context but yes. I agree with you there will be some reasons that are not bigoted, when those reasons are not associated with their bisexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:02 PM
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I think you're responding to the wrong person. I'm in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:56 PM
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Yes, I would also say that is irrelevant. Also probably not true? I know at least one bisexual man who isn't fucking a blue haired fat woman at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:55 PM
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Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:53 PM
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Why would they not be able to do this with a bisexual man?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:45 PM
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Well, we're not talking about "at some time" we're talking about "at all times". That's what asexuality is, and I don't think asexual women are even relevant here so I'm not sure what the point of the post was.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:43 PM
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Plenty! I'm very hesistant when it comes to dating black women because it doesn't fit with my vision of myself, but I've been with black women and honestly they're just as flawed as everyone else. I find long faces unattractive, overbites, big noses, things like that. I prefer wide set eyes and round faces. I'm not a fan of tall women or pear-shaped women. Like, I'll make exceptions and I won't let these prejudices get the better of me and quite often I've had my prejudices challenged and found …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:40 PM
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It's a homophobic preference though. By definition. If they don't like that they're being called out on it, don't speak on it. Nobody is implying you are forcing women to like bisexual men, They literally are though. It's not even an implication, they're straight up saying it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:36 PM
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How good or bad it is is up for debate. I never made any assertions. The degree of bad it is is unrelated to whether or not it is homophobic. Whether or not a thing is homophobic is a category classification that does not rely on degree of badness. Homophobia, biphobia, and misogyny, are classifications of prejudice that are defined by the root notions of their prejudice. Something is homophobic if the reason for the prejudice is rooted in a hatred of homosexuals (born of fear of difference, hen…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:34 PM
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Yeah. I mean. It's dissapointing we're stuck in this loop of people thinking I'm like forcing women to like bisexual men. There's a really good conversation to have about performative women in leftist spaces and about how crap "choice" feminism is. I'm not even bisexual. But I wouldn't date a woman who wouldn't date a bixual man. Because they're bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:28 PM
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Ok, so this woman we're talking about doesn't want to have sex with men in general then? Okay, that's not homophobic. This was the second part of my original answer: I assume the only answer is that women are disgusted by men and only have sex with men because they feel like they have to. That would be a plausable, non-bigoted, reason for being disgusted by bisexual men - it's actually all men they're disgusted by. If that's the case, they're not heterosexual - they're probably asexual - and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:25 PM
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Why? Because that's how humans form their worldviews. No one is immune to creating prejudice out of all sorts of things. Just because it is a preference doesn't mean it is not a preference rooted in prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:23 PM
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I've made an assumption. If there's another reason for the exclusion of bisexual men then I'm willing to listen, but I can't think of a reason that doesn't include disgust rooted in either biphobia, homophobia, or misogyny at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:21 PM
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Does me saying no to overweight people make me bigoted? It is if you hate fat people. Does me saying no to women who don’t have hair on their head make me bigoted? It is indicative of your prejudice towards bald women. I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't be prejudice. Unless they have cancer or something and you don't want to be stuck looking after them? That wouldn't be prejudice. Or maybe they have a mental health condition that you don't want to work through with them. That wouldn't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:19 PM
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It is both. Preferences can be homophobic. You can't wave your magic wand and make a homophobic thing not homophobic by calling it a preference. Is it transphobic if I don't want to date a trans woman? Not necessarily. If your reason for not dating a trans woman is not transphobic then it is not transphobic for not wanting to date transwomen. An example of a reason for not wanting to date a transwoman that is not transphobic is that you don't like penises (if they have not had bottom surgery) fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:15 PM
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They don't bring "gay male sexuality" to women. They are bisexual. Not sure what you mean by anyone benefitting from anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:10 PM
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I didn't understand that sorry, could you rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:09 PM
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No one has to give a reason for not wanting to date a bisexual or homosexual man as a woman. No one is forcing you to give a reason. But any reason you do give will be homophobic, by definition. too pushy about trying to make everyone around you gender fluid Yeah, you're confused again. No one is telling you to do anything, I'm just accurately describing things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:07 PM
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You're confused. I never said anyone is forced to do anything. So I'm not bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:05 PM
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No is a good enough response. But the reason for the no will always be bigoted. Like, definitionally. There is no debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:03 PM
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If you want to say it isn't homophobic then you're going to have to give a reason for the disgust towards homosexual relationships that isn't homophobic. If you're trying to say it isn't homosexual sex they're disgusted by but male sexuality, then why are these women looking to date any man, if they are disgusted by men? That's doesn't make any sense. I assume the only answer is that women are disgusted by men and only have sex with men because they feel like they have to. That would be a plausa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:00 PM
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That's not quite what I'm saying. I'm saying there's a difference between what men are told about their inner lives and what their inner lives actually are. The former isn't the insight into men's lives that you're presenting it as. So women's perspectives into men's inner lives is just as flawed as men's own perspectives into their own inner lives if we're relying on media alone. Cultivation theory doesn't give evidence of women taking masculine perspectives, which is what I think you were tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:06 PM
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The point is that you're being invited to inhabit his grief and understand his internal experience through the narrative. Yeah, no see this is what I mean by the difference between being told what the masculine story is and what is actually is. The story is not just being invited to inhabit grief. Men are being told that the way to express that grief is through anger after emotional suppression. That is not necessarily how they want to express that grief, but it is how they are told.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 03:04 PM
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Great points. However, just because it is in the media doesn't mean it is an accurate reflection of masculine perspectives. It is a great insight for women into what men are told, not what they think. This is a nuance that is often missed because I'll very often see generalisations from women about masculine wants and needs that lack empathy; probably because they've internalised messages that 1) weren't for them, and 2) weren't nuanced enough, and 3) support the existing structure of patriarchy…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:58 PM
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