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| 28 | Before subscribing to toxic ideologies to get what you want, you should see what being an amazing person gets you firstcomfortable fantasy for those who the system already rewards. "being an amazing person" is not a strategy, it's a vague platitude, the entire premise of the "toxic ideologies" you dismiss is that the social and sexual marketplace does not operate on a meritocracy of character, it operates on harsh, often superficial hierarchies. Your advice to "avoid toxic environments" is the ultimate privilege, for the man born at the bottom of those hierarchies short, ugly, neurodivergent, the entire world is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/25 06:01 PM |
| – | I want to learn more about a taboo topic -- manipulative women, its pervasiveness, and lack of accountability -- but it is hard to find bc people think all women are angelsI mean you're right that low self awareness and reflexive rationalization are human traits, not strictly gendered, but imo the core of the red pill argument, however, isn't that the mechanism is different, but that the expression and social tolerance for it are highly gendered due to biological and social imperatives. I mean the +13% male SD in cognitive traits likely extends to traits like systemizing vs empathizing, leading to a different flavor of manipulation, so if I had to guess male manip… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/25 02:40 PM |
| – | I want to learn more about a taboo topic -- manipulative women, its pervasiveness, and lack of accountability -- but it is hard to find bc people think all women are angelsLook into cluster B personality disorders, specifically, look into female presentation of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD), the behaviors (lack of empathy, manipulation, perceived victimhood) map closely to what you're describing. Covert Aggression, this is a key term, psychologist George K. Simon's book "In Sheep's Clothing" is a classic on this topic, discussing how people use manipulation and a facade of vulnerability to control others. Relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/25 02:22 PM |
| 1 | Female double standards regarding insecuritySo you're attempting to muddy the waters with emotional anecdotes, but the core logic remains untouched.. You're confusing social stigma with fundamental sexual market value, a woman labeled "damaged" or a "liar" still exists within the category of "woman" she can still find a partner, even if it's a man who gets off on her trauma, the option for sexual pairing and commitment remains on the table, this is a quantifiable reality. A man deemed sexually undesirable due to his height or frame is oft… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/25 02:04 PM |
| 3 | Female double standards regarding insecurityA double standard implies inconsistent rules, this is a consistent, brutal hierarchy of value. His insecurity lowers his value, hers does not, it's that simple. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Female double standards regarding insecuritySo the social fallout from trauma and the calculation of sexual market value, they are not the same. You're right that a woman can be socially stigmatized for her trauma, people may gossip, some men may label her "damaged goods," and she may face victim blaminh, this is a real and ugly social penalty. However, this does not equate to a loss of fundamental sexual value, that value is rooted in your biology and your capacity for pair bonding from this point forward. A man who commits to a trauma s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 03:26 PM |
| 8 | State-sponsored prostitutionHonestly this is just a logical conclusion for a society that has successfully medicalized and bureaucratized every other human need, yet leaves the sexual market to the brutal, unregulated whims of a hyper competitive hierarchy. You're correct that the "sex isn't a need" argument is a moral, not a logical, stance, we subsidize housing, food, and healthcare all framed as necessities for a stable society, if a significant portion of the male population is chronically sexless, isolated, and devoid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 03:17 PM |
| 1 | Female double standards regarding insecurityad hominem have a nice day | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 01:12 AM |
| 5 | Female double standards regarding insecurityending up alone isn't the bad part, the bad part is being socially and biologically failed for lacking a trait you can't change. It's not about using THEIR bodies.. it's about being systematically excluded from a fundamental human experience (like srsly do u hear yourself) for existing outside a narrow genetic bracket. ending this here, im not continuing this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:46 AM |
| 8 | Female double standards regarding insecurityCorrect, that's the entire point. "valuing your peace" is the rational choice when you realize the cost of admission, accepting BS for a chance at validation is higher than the prize is worth. It's not about getting what you want, but no longer wanting what you can't get on respectable terms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:41 AM |
| 7 | Female double standards regarding insecurity"Options" are the prerequisite for "self respect." a man with no options who imposes strict standards ends up alone, which society frames as his failure, not his principled stand. Your self respect is a product of your leverage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:31 AM |
| 9 | Female double standards regarding insecurityyou know what you're doing.. confusing symptom and cause. desperation isn't a choice, it's the market price for a man exceeding his value. Women are blamed not for having standards, but for the hypocrisy of denying the hypergamous hierarchy they enforce, raising standards is a luxury of those who have options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Female double standards regarding insecurityYou're missing the point, it's not about you personally. I'm describing a systemic reality, not your individual soul, you denying it doesn't make it less true. The dehumanization goes both ways, you feel objectified by an ideology, men feel objectified by the same system that ideology describes. You not sympathizing is your right, it just proves the initial argument, male suffering is often seen as a character flaw, not a human wound. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:22 AM |
| 9 | Female double standards regarding insecurityThe power to "not put up with it" depends on your options, the man with abundant choices can enforce that boundary, the one without them faces a choice, tolerate the insecurity or face solitude only the market dictates who can afford to be principled. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:18 AM |
| 10 | Female double standards regarding insecurityFair point, but the market's response to that annoyance isn't equal. A woman's insecurity is often managed, a man's is often discarded, not working on it is self sabotage, but pretending the playing field is level is a bigger cope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/25 12:04 AM |
| 8 | Female double standards regarding insecurityeh hypocritical standards are just the logical boundaries people build once they stop accepting a losing hand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/25 11:51 PM |
| 11 | Female double standards regarding insecurityKinda predictable IMO, LIKE THIS REPRESENTS THE DISCONNECT.. so you've listed a series of genuinely horrific experiences, acts of criminal violence and bullying and then you use them to dismiss a man's experience of systemic social and sexual rejection as weakness, this says, you view male suffering through a lens of utility. Your trauma is treated as a narrative of survival, you are the protagonist who overcame, a man's trauma from repeated social humiliation is treated as a whiny lack of chara… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/25 11:46 PM |
| 61 | Female double standards regarding insecuritySo the issue isn't the double standard, but in the difference of the perceived value of male and female emotional states. A woman's insecurity is seen as a vulnerability to be managed and protected. It's a call to action for a man to provide, to shield, to be a rock her fear of driving after a crash is met with offers to drive her, to go to therapy with her, to be patient. A man's insecurity, however, is seen as a fundamental failure of his utility. It is a defect, his fear of driving is met wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/25 11:33 PM |
| – | Men are perceived as "overrating" themselves because women have a lesser tolerance for biodiversity in men, ie, height, hair color, eye color, physiquecorrectly identified a symptom but diagnosed it with fantasy. The trend you celebrate, women entering 'ai-resistant' fields while men remain in automatable ones, isn't a path to matriarchy, it's a path to a more efficient serfdom. You will own the 'human connection' jobs, therapy, social work, HR, these are roles of management, curation, and emotional regulation, you will be the administrators of the human spirit. The men who survive the AI purge in STEM won't be the coders, they will be the arc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 09:39 AM |
| 43 | Women frame their own toxic behaviors as harmless while condemning men’sExpecting a woman to be a bangmaid is a transactional demand. Expecting a man to be tall, rich, and protective is also a transactional demand, it's just socially sanctioned. One is dehumanizing labor, the other is dehumanizing utility, both reduce a person to a function. The difference is that one is openly criticized while the other is romanticized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/25 07:37 PM |
| – | Theres no point being with a man if youre over 35 as a womenIt's not about men "settling" A woman over 35 is competing against biology, not just younger women, male desire is visually triggered and favors youth and fertility. This isn't a moral failing, it's a biological imperative. The "point" of being with a man after 35 isn't about being his peak object of desire, it's about offering something a 21 year old can't stability, companionship, shared history, and maturity. It's a different value proposition. The men who choose older women aren't always doi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/25 10:39 AM |
| 23 | We need to stop comparing sex with money, these are not great trade offs to begin with.The classic "if you loved me, you'd pay for my lifestyle" argument, because nothing says genuine respect like transactional intimacy. You're right men should be thrilled to provide unconditional financial support in exchange for the privilege of your company, it's not like respect is a two way street or anything. How silly of us to want mutual investment instead of a subscription service for affection, mb yall | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 05:18 PM |
| 2 | On OLD women definitely privilege the "alpha male" type of guy☝️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Other then sex, there’s you get in a relationship that you cant get in a friendship.little spoon? bold claim... guess we’ll just have to test cuddle compatibility 🤔 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 02:37 PM |
| 9 | Other then sex, there’s you get in a relationship that you cant get in a friendship.facts... cuddling your homies is like drinking decaf coffee, it looks right, but the soul's not in it. ...wanna cuddle? 👀 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 01:28 PM |
| 1 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityYou're not being obtuse, you're just applying moral logic to an amoral system. The risks are asymmetrical, her upheaval is social and financial, his is genetic raising another man's child, destroying his lineage, both are brutal, but one is a biological failure on a primal level. The point for those men isn't happiness, it's fulfillment of a base instinct to reproduce and provide, even in a flawed arrangement. For many, a transactional relationship is the only way to avoid total reproductive obl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 01:17 PM |
| 1 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityYou're not wrong, but the risks are asymmetrical, her drama is emotional, his is existential. The point of a cold pragmatic relationship is that for some men, it's the only type they can secure. It's not about what's desirable it's about what's possible. and you're right about the last part. If money is all you offer, don't be surprised when you're valued only for your money, the red pill's real lesson is to never be a one trick pony in a market that demands more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 01:01 PM |
| 1 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityyou're right that women can cheat for variety too, boredom is a universal temptation, but the risk is different, her pool boy fling can still lead to paternity fraud or resource diversion. His affair is less likely to fundamentally alter her life's trajectory. The provider mindset isn't "I pay, so she must stay." It's "My resources are my primary form of value in this transaction, so I must ensure they secure the loyalty I cannot command through attraction alone" it's just a cold, pragmatic calc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 12:44 PM |
| 1 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityhonestly men cheat for variety and women cheat for upgrade, both are self interested, but the motivations and consequences are kinda different uk red pill content creators often generalize from their own limited, often toxic experiences. They attract and are attracted to a certain type of woman, creating a feedback loop that confirms their bias, it’s not that “all women are like that” it’s that those who move in those circles often are. The leverage isn’t about control, it’s about mutual investm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 12:39 PM |
| 1 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityMost red pill content creators are grifters selling rage and cope to lonely men, they monetize anger by focusing on female "accountability" because it's easier to sell than the real, bleak core of the pill.. you cannot change female nature, you can only adapt to it. the core red pill message isn't about shaming women, it's about accepting that the sexual marketplace is amoral and asymmetric. Women optimize for hypergamy, men optimize for access. Accountability is irrelevant, strategy is everythi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 12:33 PM |
| 1 | I think the red pill enables women to take less accountabilityYou're misunderstanding the purpose of the red pill, it's really not a moral framework, it's more of a pragmatic one, it doesn't exist to assign blame or demand accountability from women, it exists to describe their behavior so men can navigate it effectively. "Women are inherently hypergamous" isn't an excuse for their behaviour, it's a warning to men... your commitment is only as secure as your options are limited. It's not about absolving women, it's about reminding men that female nature is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 12:14 PM |
| 19 | Other then sex, there’s you get in a relationship that you cant get in a friendship.You're looking at it from the outside, and I get that, but for a lot of people, it's not about devaluing friendship. It's about the ache of wanting to be chosen not just supported. like ik friends are amazing, they're the family you pick, but they don't look at you the way a lover does, they don't make you feel desired and that’s the piece that’s missing. It’s NOT just about sex, it's about feeling wanted in that specific, irreplaceable way that says "Out of everyone, I pick you." When a guy say… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/25 10:51 AM |
| 4 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated onthe same old "but men do bad things too" deflection. So because some men abandon their kids, we should dismiss the unique horror of raising another man's child unknowingly for 18 years? Whataboutism isn't an argument, it's a concession. You've got no real response, so you're just changing the subject.. You win. i'm done, im getting off this sub for real. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 02:07 PM |
| 2 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated on"Paternity fraud isn't unique to men." Okay. Sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:56 PM |
| 5 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).stop baking a philosophical pretzel man so a man is only "genuinely good" if his kindness is an immutable, inherent trait that persists even in the face of perpetual negative reinforcement and zero reciprocity, essentially, he must be a moral robot, incapable of learning from experience or reacting to his environment. meanwhile, a woman's preference for attractive assholes is just her authentic desire, and therefore beyond critique... you've created a perfect system where male virtue is only val… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:40 PM |
| 8 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).but the thing is correlation isn't causation. You're seeing the end result, not the starting point. It's not "He's a misogynist, that's why he's alone." It's "He was alone, repeatedly rejected for reasons he couldn't control, and that bitterness curdled into misogyny." The Nice Guy™ isn't born he's made. He starts out genuinely believing in kindness, gets zero results while watching assholes succeed, and eventually concludes that honesty and respect are worthless, his misogyny is a symptom of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:38 PM |
| 7 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).So let me get this straight if a man is lonely and wants intimacy, and he tries to be a good person in the hope of finding it, he's a covert asshole, but if he's hot and openly an asshole, he's just being authentic. The goal isn't to be good, it's to be already desirable so your flaws are charming instead of creepy. What a profoundly cynical view of human nature... No wonder everyone's miserable. im done here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:34 PM |
| 4 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated on"Pushing back on the need for fairness" is the most telling part of your entire argument. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue where only one side of suffering is acknowledged, enjoy the echo chamber. im done here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:31 PM |
| 8 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).this is the most galaxy brained take imaginable, so if a man is kind and gets rejected, he was only performatively kind but if he's an asshole and gets laid, he's authentically an asshole. Therefore, the only way to prove you're "genuinely good" is to be good and never, ever receive a single positive social or romantic reward for it, essentially becoming a moral martyr. What a convenient, unfalsifiable way to dismiss male frustration, the goalposts aren't just moving they're in another dimension… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:17 PM |
| 7 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).So the only true "good man" is one who remains kind and optimistic despite a lifetime of rejection and isolation, with no hope of reciprocation? Cool, cool so sainthood is the baseline requirement for basic human companionship now. Got it.... meanwhile, the hot asshole just has to exist, what a perfectly balanced and not at all insane system... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 01:15 PM |
| 12 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).my guy... "if he's unattractive and bitter, it's because he's secretly a misogynist, but if he's hot and bitter, it's just a spicy personality flaw" take. The mental gymnastics here could qualify for the olympics. The "unattractive good man" usually tried being genuinely good, got nowhere, and then got bitter about it, the attractive misogynist was always an asshole but never had to change because his looks let him get away with it. One is a reaction TO rejection, the other is a cause of it, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 12:54 PM |
| 5 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).because even in the dystopian hellscape of dating, the rules of supermarket sweep still apply if you're gonna grab a toxic bag of chips, you might as well get the one in the prettiest packaging. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 12:52 PM |
| 16 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).😭 You're right my bad. I forgot that the only two options are "broke and lonely" or "billionaire and still an asshole." there's definitely no middle ground where decent, average looking guys with okay social skills get completely overlooked. Nope. That never happens, it's definitely a flawless system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 12:21 PM |
| 14 | The problem is not being likable AND not having good looks (and being broke).the same "it's your personality (unless you're hot or rich)" argument, so basically if a guy is struggling, he's an asshole. If he's successful, he's just confident. Got it. The goalposts are on wheels and powered by vibes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated onHe didn't say one has it "worse" in a grand, total sense, he outlined specific, additional harms that men face in the context of cheating. You're the one turning a comparison of specific risks into an oppression contest. The lack of comprehension is yours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 09:50 AM |
| 2 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated onwhy are you deliberately missing the point here just to win? He's talking about systemic risks and societal biases, not individual anecdotes. Paternity fraud is a unique risk to men, just as financial ruin in divorce is a unique risk to women. Acknowledging one doesn't minimize the other. Dismissing the argument as "Oppression Olympics" is a cheap way to avoid engaging with the uncomfortable reality that some harms are gendered. Your refusal to acknowledge this isn't nuance, it's cowardice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 08:25 AM |
| 2 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated onwhy are ice cream sandwiches so mid | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 08:24 AM |
| 0 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated on"Usually." "Probably." "Perception." a lot of qualifiers to dress up a prejudice. The CDC's own NISVS data shows women initiate domestic violence at near equal rates, and that men make up a significant portion of severe injury cases, but sure, let's just go with "men are more violent." It's easier than dealing with messy, complex reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 08:14 AM |
| 7 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated ondamn the same "men are more violent" generalization. So if a woman cheats, it's an individual act, but if a man is violent, it's a collective male trait. The mental gymnastics are impressive. Keep that same energy when discussing female on male abuse stats that get swept under the rug. Your selective outrage is noted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:59 AM |
| -1 | Cheating is equally immoral no matter who does it, BUT men stand to suffer more when cheated onThe point flew so far over your head it's in orbit. He's not saying men are the only ones harmed by cheating, he's just outlining the unique additional risks men face when it happens like paternity fraud and greater social stigma that women do not. Acknowledging asymmetric harm in one area doesn't negate the existence of asymmetric harm in another. Your refusal to engage with the actual argument and instead resort to emotional grandstanding is exactly the kind of bad faith nonsense that makes th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:56 AM |
| 3 | Treating Most Women Good will end up being a failed relationshipnot wrong about the brainfrying part ngl, the constant analysis is a defense mechanism, not a way to live. But you're missing the core point here, for many men, "normal" relationships and "normal feelings" were never an option. They weren't the guys who learned dating through trial and error in high school, they were the ones who never got to play the game at all. The red pill and the blackpill aren't the cause of the dysfunction, they're the symptom, they're just the desperate attempt to revers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:38 AM |
| 1 | Treating Most Women Good will end up being a failed relationshipForgetting birthdays is a failure of basic thoughtfulness and effort, it signals a lack of investment. The "treating her well" that backfires is different. It's the dynamic where he becomes a satellite orbiting her planet, that kills attraction because it demonstrates he has no higher value than her approval. "Continue to date her" is good advice. It means maintain the chase, the mystery, and the fun but it only works if you actually have a life and identity outside of her to maintain. If your e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 07:28 AM |
| 2 | Treating Most Women Good will end up being a failed relationshipThat's not a strategy, it's a cope. A truly high value man doesn't need to enforce subservience. His value is self evident, and his respect is earned, not demanded. If she leaves despite being treated well, she was never truly yours to begin with she was just waiting for a better option. The goal isn't to make her stay through fear, it's to be the best option. If you can't be that, no amount of mind games will work for long. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/25 02:10 AM |
| 7 | Treating Most Women Good will end up being a failed relationshipYou're not entirely wrong uk The issue isn't that treating a woman well causes her to leave, the issue is that attraction isn't moral, and it often isn't logical, for many women, especially those with options, comfort and safety can feel like boredom. The "spark" fades, this isn't a female flaw, it's a human one. People tend to take stable things for granted. The red pill solution treating her as second is a crude attempt to simulate the one thing that maintains attraction in a comfortable, long… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 09:25 PM |
| 0 | A theory on why some men are sexist - because they need womenHitler needed art school. See how that turned out for everyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?You're right that the intensity of the angst is teenage. But the substance of the blackpill the data on height, facial aesthetics, and dating app disparities isn't a hormone fueled delusion. It's a documented social hierarchy. The pro-ana ideal was a physical impossibility for most. The blackpill "ideal" is just being a 6'0" guy with a good jawline, which is a real thing that real women prefer. The difference is the enemy. For pro-ana, the enemy was their own body. For the blackpiller, the enemy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 01:42 PM |
| 3 | A theory on why some men are sexist - because they need womenHatred is a confession of need. The man who truly doesn't care doesn't waste the energy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 01:07 PM |
| 1 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?That's a dangerously simplistic comparison. Pro ana forums were about achieving an impossible physical ideal through self-destruction. The blackpill isn't about achieving an ideal, it's about accepting a perceived biological caste system. One is a disorder, the other is a worldview built on observed data. And sure, many grow out of it. But "growing out of it" usually means one of two things, either their circumstances improve (they get taller, their face matures, they find a niche), or they lear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 08:00 AM |
| – | I think discussions about x sex(which don't involve a single person from x sex) are fueling sexism and hate.You've perfectly described the modern empathy death spiral. It's not about understanding the other side anymore, it's about building a consensus within your own tribe. These spaces aren't for debate they're for validation. Women in those subs aren't trying to figure out what men actually think, they're reinforcing what they've decided men think, which is always the least charitable interpretation possible. It's the same thing incels do they decide all women are hypergamous, duplicitous, and shal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/25 07:35 AM |
| 5 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.It benefits him more than he'll ever truly understand or admit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 09:28 PM |
| 7 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.You're not wrong, Game is a skill. It can be learned but let's not pretend it's a magic bullet. You can develop all the rizz in the world, but if you're a 5'4" guy starting from zero social confidence, you're trying to win a Formula 1 race with a go-kart you built in your garage. Sure, you might eventually get better than you were, and maybe you'll even find one person who appreciates your specific, hard won charm. But you're never going to be competing with the natural born drivers. The "higher… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 09:20 PM |
| 14 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.Of course I'd love a female version of myself. She'd understand my weird obsessions, never complain about the hours I spend painting tiny orcs, and we could sit in comfortable silence for days. It's the dream. The market doesn't reward authenticity, it rewards conformity to a very specific, extroverted ideal. The algorithm is broken. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.😍 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 08:38 PM |
| 0 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.🤯🤯🤯 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 08:29 PM |
| 6 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.You are my raw data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 08:26 PM |
| 51 | Before lamenting that you aren't getting hookups you should make sure that you are indeed hookup material.You're not wrong. But this is the brutal catch-22 of the modern dating market. The advice "make sure you're hookup material" is like telling a homeless person to "make sure you have a down payment." It's technically true, but it ignores the entire systemic reality. like fr what makes a hookup material? Genetics: Height, frame, facial symmetry. Vibe: A specific kind of unearned, natural social confidence that is either bred into you through a life of positive reinforcement or faked with immense e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 07:53 PM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceYou're just conflating two different strategies. The high value man who marries young and stays is a different archetype than the one who plays the field into his 40s. The former is a provider, the latter is a player. A woman who locks down a provider early gets security. A woman who waits is trying to secure a player after his retirement, which is a fundamentally different and far riskier proposition. The point isn't that all high value men are loyal, it's that the loyal ones are taken early, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 07:22 PM |
| 3 | Accountability and MenYou did. You said the world is delusional for not letting you say you're afraid of minorities without repercussion, but you clearly feel entitled to say it about men. That's the definition of a double standard. You want the right to generalize based on statistics for your safety, but you don't want to grant that same right to others when it might negatively impact you. It's inconsistent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:40 PM |
| 13 | Accountability and MenNo, I expect women to have a functional prefrontal cortex capable of understanding that 4 billion people aren't a monolith. But if you'd prefer to keep the tribal mindset, that's your choice. Enjoy the fear. I'll be over here, sitting on my ass, not harassing anyone. Wild concept, I know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:29 PM |
| 9 | Accountability and Men"Do something about the men who are bad" is a meaningless platitude. What exactly am I, as an individual man, supposed to do about a random harasser on the street? Fight him? That's how you get stabbed. Report him? Most harassment isn't a crime, just shitty behavior. The expectation that "good men" are responsible for policing all male behavior is as logical as holding you accountable for every toxic woman. This is just a way to shift the burden of addressing systemic issues onto individuals who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:21 PM |
| 4 | Accountability and MenYou're right that prejudice is a survival heuristic. The issue isn't that you're wary, it's that society applauds your prejudice against men while condemning the same logic applied to any other group. You're advocating for a double standard and calling it pragmatism. You can't have it both ways. Either all statistical prejudice is acceptable, or none of it is. Pick one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:20 PM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceThe entire conversation is about high value dynamics. No one's discussing the average guy. The "rare guy" is the entire point. He's the one setting the market rate. You're changing the subject because the actual topic proves your narrative wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 03:12 PM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceMost men are average at any age. The point isn't that every 45 year old is a king. It's that the few who aren't average have vastly more options than the few non average 45 year old women. The dynamic exists at the top, not the median. But sure, focus on the average guy if it helps the narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 02:18 PM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceUm but how is this related to calling a man who prefers a 25 year old at 35 a borderline pedo..... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 02:16 PM |
| 2 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?Fair point. The internet does blur the lines between single and married perspectives. Your stance makes sense for a long term partnership where mutual comfort is the priority, not individual opportunity. The strip club comparison is a solid one it's the same principle of active participation versus passive fantasy. Thanks for actually understanding the reciprocity of the issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?definitely | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 01:11 PM |
| -1 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?The number of people in the room is irrelevant. The end product is what matters a hyper realistic simulation of sex for public consumption. The technicalities of how it's filmed don't change the final result his eyes see and his brain processes. And you're right, he can leave. That's the entire point. The consequence of her choice is the potential loss of the relationship. That's the boundary. Makes me remember of Tom Holland, I remember he got called a cuck like a year or two ago because he pub… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 01:08 PM |
| 1 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?No. I'm saying every choice has a consequence. A woman is free to do what she wants. A man is free to find her choices incompatible with a relationship. That's not a demand, it's a boundary. The freedom to choose works both ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 01:03 PM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceI don't know everything. I just know what I see. And what I see is a generation of older men and women who are miserable, alone, and full of regret because they followed the advice of people like you. I'm analyzing her strategy, not writing my autobiography. She's advocating for women to wait until their 30s to commit. I'm pointing out the obvious risk the high value men she wants will have already been taken by women who didn't wait. My plan isn't to "wait until my 30s. I plan to finish law sch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:55 AM |
| 0 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?You're right. There is an empathy gap. From my side, it looks like women want the freedom to sexually express themselves however they choose, but also want to invalidate the natural, primal discomfort that creates for the men who are expected to commit to them. You can have the freedom, or you can have his unwavering comfort. You rarely get to demand both. Call it "me man, her body belongs to me" all you want. It's a cheap way to dismiss a biological reality you don't want to acknowledge. But ke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:39 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceI think like you irl, I can kinda relate to a degree | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:34 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceai told me to take more showers | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:33 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceCall it whatever you need to. The smart men will continue to make the rational choice, and the smart women will understand the game and plan accordingly. The rest will write think pieces on misogyny while wondering why they're alone. The market doesn't care about your labels. It only cares about value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:26 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst advice"Normal people." Right. Because we all know the key to a successful life is doing what "normal people" do. Enjoy the puddle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:23 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceThat's a very sweet, optimistic way to look at it. And for a certain segment of the population people who prioritize partnership over personal maximization it might even work. But you're talking about building a life together. The modern dating market incentivizes the opposite, trading up, maximizing options, and prioritizing self. The "potential" you see in a young guy is a risk. He might build that life with you, or he might build it and then trade you in for a newer model once his value peaks… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:20 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceIn an emotional vacuum, you're right. People have inherent worth. But in the dating market, which is a brutal, transactional reality, they absolutely are assets. Their value is determined by supply, demand, and desirability. A 45 year old man with wealth and status is an appreciating asset. A 45 year old woman, no matter how wonderful, is fighting an uphill battle against biology and the preferences of the very men she wants. You can hate the game, but you don't get to pretend it isn't being pla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:16 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceCalling a man who prefers a 25 year old at 35 a "borderline pedo" is the most predictable, pathetic cope in the world. It's the verbal equivalent of flipping the monopoly board because you're losing. And for the record, I'm 18. I'm watching all this from the sidelines, learning exactly what not to do. So thanks for the lesson. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:15 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceYou're blaming the wrong group. The "hookups these women provide" are provided to someone. The men are just as complicit. They're the ones choosing to participate in a disposable dating culture instead of seeking commitment. The problem isn't that men are "spoiled." It's that the market rewards their behavior. Why would a high value man settle down early when he can enjoy a constant stream of options well into his 30s and 40s? He has no incentive to commit until he's ready to cash out, and even … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:13 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceFilter away. The men you're trying to attract at 35 are doing the exact same calculation. They're filtering for the best combination of looks, youth, and fertility they can get. Your strategy of filtering for a man who ignores his own biological imperatives is a great way to end up with a low value, low testosterone man who has no other options. You call it misogyny. High value men call it standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:10 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceYou're not toxic. You're just describing the cold reality of modern dating. It's a market. People trade their best assets for the best deal they can get. For women, that's often youth and beauty. For men, it's often resources and stability. Waiting until your 30s to get serious is a valid strategy, but it's a gamble. You're betting that your maturity and career will be more attractive than the next wave of 23 year olds. Sometimes that bet pays off. Often, it doesn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:07 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceYou're right. The good ones get taken early. The dating pool after 30 isn't a pool, it's a puddle of water that's been stepped in, evaporated, and left a ring of residue. Waiting means you're shopping from the clearance rack where everything is damaged, used, or just plain weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:06 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceThe point isn't that menopause happens. The point is the value exchange. A man who marries a woman in her youth gets to enjoy that youth. A man who marries her at 40 does not. He is accepting a depreciated asset while providing the same commitment. It's a bad deal, which is why the smart ones avoid it. And yes, a 40 year old woman has more options than the average man. But her options are the leftover men she rejected in her 20s. The high value men she wants are with the younger versions of her.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:04 AM |
| – | Locking a man down in your 20s is the worst adviceCool story. You've just described the modern female strategy, maximize hypergamous options in your 20s, then attempt to secure commitment from a top tier man you passed over a decade ago when your value was higher. It's a calculated risk. It works for some. For many, it leads to the very outcome you're trying to avoid, a transactional relationship where you're bringing diminished assets to the negotiating table. But hey, you do you. Just don't be surprised when the high value men in their 30s, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 11:02 AM |
| 2 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?This isn't about boobs or random dudes. It's about active participation. There's a universe of difference between a stranger's private fantasy and a man watching his wife professionally simulate sex for a camera. You're not a passive object of fantasy, you're an active participant in creating sexual content for mass consumption. You frame this as his insecurity. He likely frames it as a fundamental breach of intimacy and a violation of the relationship's private nature. You see an amazing opport… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 07:37 AM |
| 1 | Women, would you agree to do sex scenes/nudity in movies if you were a famous actress, and would that answer change if you had a boyfriend/husband?This is a perfect example of the empathy gap between male and female perspectives on sexuality. You're framing this as a simple issue of 'social programming' and personal values. From a male perspective, it's about something far more visceral: territoriality and respect. You're right that a famous actress will be sexualized regardless. But there's a monumental difference between a fan's private fantasy and a woman actively participating in the creation of hyper realistic sexual content for mass … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/25 07:32 AM |
| 1 | Men don’t have low standards; women are just hotter than themseparated it with "and" mb ig | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 05:55 PM |
| 18 | A lot of men who women otherwise love as friends, but never see them “that way”This isn't a contradiction. The "nice guy" and the "fuccboi" are not being evaluated on the same scale. Women are not a monolith, but they are human, and humans are wired for attraction first, logistics second. The "fuccboi" wins on the attraction scale. He triggers visceral, often subconscious cues of genetic fitness, social dominance, and sexual confidence even if it's a facade. This is the Halo Effect in its rawest form: when one positive trait (looks, vibe, confidence) bleeds over to paint e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?You're absolutely right that the toxic voices dominate and poison the conversation. Condemning that rhetoric is necessary. But condemnation alone is not a strategy. It's a reaction. If you want to actually reduce the toxicity, you have to understand its source. You can't cure a disease just by treating the most visible symptom. The angry, reductionist online rhetoric is a symptom of the deeper despair. Dismissing the symptom without addressing the cause is how you get more of the symptom. These … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?You're right to point out the toxic, transactional language often used. That's a fair critique of the manosphere's worst rhetoric. But you're conflating two things: the crude demand of angry online voices with the fundamental desire of lonely men. The former is a toxic distortion of the latter. The lonely man doesn't crave a transaction; he craves mutual connection. He wants to be wanted. He wants to provide pleasure and have it reciprocated. His failure is his inability to become a man who insp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?This is where the argument collapses entirely. You're comparing a movement founded on the pursuit of legal personhood, bodily autonomy, and fundamental rights (feminism) to a subculture defined by its despair over a lack of consensual intimate partners (incels). One is a political struggle for agency. The other is a crisis of individual connection. There is no 'war' to win because no one is withholding rights. There is no oppressor to defeat. The 'enemy' is a brutal, impersonal dating market and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 04:17 PM |
| 2 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?This is a deliberate and grotesque misrepresentation of the issue, and you know it. No one is arguing that the "cure for loneliness requires the sacrifice of a woman's body." This inflammatory language frames male desire for intimacy as a violent act of consumption, which is utterly dishonest. The "basic need" being discussed is not just sex, it's intimacy, connection, validation, and belonging. These are universally recognized psychological needs, fundamental to human well being. The World Heal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 03:30 PM |
| 2 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?The language is just the metric, and the doomerism is a cancer for a developing mind. I'm not defending the hatred, I'm explaining its origin. The solution isn't to argue with the ones who are already lost. It's to provide an alternative framework for the ones who are still looking for answers one that acknowledges the harsh realities of dating without surrendering to misogynistic nihilism. We need to be able to say "Yes, physical attraction is brutally important, and the dating market is unfair… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 03:14 PM |
| 3 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?I understand that perspective, but it's from the outside looking in. You see the jargon as the start of the problem. For many of us, it was the conclusion. I found the blackpill at 16. I didn't go looking for a hateful ideology. I was a lonely, confused kid who was failing at the one thing every other guy seemed to understand instinctively. I was collecting data: the rejections, the laughter, the way girls would talk to my friends but not me. When I stumbled onto those forums, I didn't find a ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 03:01 PM |
| 2 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?profound misunderstanding of both celibacy and involuntary celibacy. Voluntary celibacy, as practiced by monks and sages, is a chosen path of spiritual discipline and transcendence. It is a rejection of worldly desires from a position of strength and self mastery. Involuntary celibacy is a state of profound loneliness, rejection, and social failure. It is not a chosen path of enlightenment; it is a pit of despair that men fall into because they are denied the basic human connection and validatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 02:41 PM |
| 11 | Do you ever feel bad seeing how some people talk about struggling guys or even incls?This is a fair and humane take, and I mostly agree. The immediate dismissal of lonely men as morally deficient is a cheap, unproductive shot. However, you draw the line at the jargon "Chad," "hypergamy," etc. and that's where I'd push back. Those terms aren't the problem, they are a symptom. They are the best framework these men have stumbled upon to describe the brutal, impersonal market forces they experience every day. Dismissing their language while acknowledging their pain is like acknowled… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 02:38 PM |
| 7 | You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in datingThis is a painfully simplistic take that confuses "average" with "unaffected by market forces." "Average" is a statistical measure, not a guarantee of success. In the current dating market, being an "average" man median income, median looks, median height is a significant disadvantage, not a neutral baseline. This is due to a simple supply and demand problem on apps, where women, who are more selective by nature, have their pick of the top tiers of men. An average woman has options. An average m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 02:31 PM |
| 2 | Going dutch on dates is the best way to weed out women with a parasitic mentality.The same way. Stop doing it for him. Stop planning, stop managing, stop being his mommy maid. A man who sees a partner, not a servant, will step up without being asked. One who doesn't, will reveal himself immediately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 02:12 PM |
| 4 | Men's love is highly conditionalThis is a spectacularly bad faith take that confuses basic standards of partnership with conditional love. "Love" and "Tolerating Mismanagement" are not the same thing. Weight Gain / Aging: There's a vast difference between aging naturally and completely letting oneself go. Love isn't a suicide pact. It's not conditional to expect a partner to maintain a basic level of health and self-respect. No one is obligated to be attracted to profound physical neglect. Drop in Libido / Post-Pregnancy: This… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/25 07:50 AM |
| 1 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Let's be precise, since you're being deliberately imprecise. Didn't even knew this was a "Question For Women" Disagreement is not harassment. I engaged with the text of public comments on a debate forum. You are reframing criticism as abuse to avoid the criticism itself. It's a transparent tactic. The sub is for discussion, which includes critique. If you only want unchallenged opinions, you're in the wrong place. Your admission that you intentionally circumvented privacy expectations to dig up … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 06:25 PM |
| 0 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?the subs name has "debate" in it , what am i supposed to do here? and the fact you decided to stalk me is still pretty pathetic ngl | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 06:13 PM |
| 0 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Sure ig, but the fact you had to resort to a post i made about a month ago in a vulnerable state against getting out of that toxic state says a lot about you but it dosen't bother me because well nobody cares | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 06:08 PM |
| 1 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?I just take the truth's from bp and rp ngl though I wonder how he found my post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 06:01 PM |
| -1 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Personal Attack... I mean you called me chronically online but you're literally stalking me I was actually not even blaming women about my insecurities not gonna lie | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 05:59 PM |
| 3 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?You've created a full accounting system where his value is a calculation of what he provides for you, minus the cost of his existence. His needs are literally 'burdens' that subtract from his worth. Your love is not a gift, it's a line item he must earn by maintaining a positive balance. You say he can leave if his desires aren't met, but that's the trap. His one desire in your model is the privilege of continuing to serve you without becoming too costly. He's not a partner, he's a vendor on a p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 05:17 PM |
| 10 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?You're describing a market, not a relationship. And in any market, not all assets are equally valued. Her 'net benefit' requires his performance as a utility: a rock, a entertainer, a therapist, a lover. His 'net benefit' is typically fulfilled by her mere presence and intimacy. The demands are not symmetrical. You're right, he can leave. But the entire premise is that he's competing to be the chosen utility in her economy, where his human needs are liabilities. He can opt out of that game entir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 05:11 PM |
| 0 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?You can't hold her to the same standard' because you are not the standard setter. The entire framework is built on her calculation of her net benefit. Your needs are, by her own definition, a 'burden' and a 'chore.' The moment you attempt to enforce reciprocity the moment you try to make your needs part of the equation you automatically become a net negative. You have failed the one test that matters'he makes my life harder.' I bet not all women are like this though | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 05:08 PM |
| 3 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Gladly. Here is the exact text, with the operative phrases highlighted, The Core, One Way Metric: "he should make my life more pleasant that it is without him." This is the foundational principle. His value is contingent solely on the net positive he provides to her. The Definition of "Burden" (His Needs Are a Problem): "I'm out if he makes my life harder, meaning if i need to serve him in some way, if he starts to trow a tantrums or manipulating me into changing." Note the language: she must "s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:58 PM |
| 4 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?You've perfectly described the problem, the question itself frames male desirability as a one way performance review. But no functional adult enters a relationship just to be reviewed. They ask 'what's in it for me?' for both parties. By only answering half of that unspoken question what she gets her reply implicitly defines the entire dynamic. The omission isn't neutral, it's diagnostic. She was asked 'what do you want?' and her answer was a list of what she wants to receive. The fact that what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:51 PM |
| 2 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Rule 5 No Race-Baiting or Racially Charged Content Rule 3 No Contentless Rhetoric I would be banned by now.. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:46 PM |
| 4 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?No one is arguing for a 'net negative.' The argument is about the definition of 'net.' Your calculation only includes your costs and your benefits. A partner's needs or bad days are framed as a cost ('if he makes my life harder'). A reciprocal 'net positive' includes his emotional state and burdens in the equation and asks what you do to offset them. You defined the entire relationship by its utility to you. That's not honor, it's a transaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:45 PM |
| 11 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?The question was about being desirable to women. Her answer perfectly illustrated the modern dynamic desirability is a one way performance review based on what he provides to her. She detailed his required contributions to her peace and her pleasure. The complete absence of what she provides in return isn't an oversight, it's the entire point. The burden of performance is solely on him. His desirability is conditional on his utility. You're calling it 'nuance.' I call it a calculated omission. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:43 PM |
| 1 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Back I'll quote it. She defined the entire relationship by a single metric: 'he should make my life more pleasant than it is without him.' She then listed the ways he could fail this metric if he needs service, has emotions she finds burdensome ('tantrums'), or has sexual needs that feel like an obligation ('have to'). The entire post is a list of his duties and her dealbreakers. The concept of his needs, his bad days, or his desire to be cared for is absent. It's not a 'given' because in a mutu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:41 PM |
| 8 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?I'm observing the words you chose to type and publish. The transaction is right there in the text. You require, he performs. He is a net positive utility or he is discarded. You've built a market, not a relationship. The observation is complete. my comments are duplicating for some reason anyway | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:16 PM |
| 4 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?You're right, it's not deep. It's simple math. His value = (Her peace + Her enjoyment) - (His needs + His burdens). She stated the terms clearly. I just read them. You're the one adding a whole chapter of reciprocity she never wrote. That's not projection, that's literacy. Calling a one sided dynamic 'reasonable' is the real cope. But hey, if 'log off' is the best counter argument you've got, it's clear which one of us is triggered by the truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:11 PM |
| 7 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Not assumptions, observations. Your entire framework is transactional, it's about his performance adding value to your life without reciprocity. You've just confirmed it. Good luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:07 PM |
| 5 | Men don’t have low standards; women are just hotter than themReality is men are judged on their unchangeable height and income. Women are judged on a curated illusion they can paint on every morning. The effort gap exists because the standards aren't the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 04:04 PM |
| 5 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?"Men didn't become the women they wanted to marry' because they never stopped being the utility you're describing you still expect provision now it's just emotional labor instead of a paycheck. the role never changed, you just added more items to the shopping list. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 03:59 PM |
| 11 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Of course women can and should have boundaries and expectations. The critique isn't against having standards; it's about the specific nature of those standards when they become entirely self centered and transactional. There's a fundamental difference between: A mutual partnership: We both add to each other's lives. We support each other through good times and bad. We are a team where the goal is the well-being of us, even when that requires temporary sacrifice from one individual. A one-sided c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 03:52 PM |
| 11 | Men don’t have low standards; women are just hotter than themwhy are you confusing effort with value. Women are not inherently "hotter" they just put infinitely more effort into their appearance. Makeup, filters, curated social media, a multi billion dollar industry dedicated solely to female aesthetics this creates the illusion you're describing. The average man rolls out of bed and goes to work. The average woman spends an hour crafting a presentation. Of course one looks more "finished." But take away the makeup, the angles, the outfits, and the baseli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 03:49 PM |
| 25 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?probably going to get me downvoted to oblivion First, the "I'm an outlier" thing. With all due respect, this isn't an outlier opinion. This is the standard operating manual for a huge portion of the dating pool, especially on apps. It's the dominant mindset. Saying you're an outlier just makes it sound more reasonable than it is. "he should make my life more pleasant than it is without him." On the surface, who wouldn't want that? But in practice, this is a one way street. It frames the man as a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 03:30 PM |
| 11 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Yes, “desirable broke men” exist, but they’re an exception, not the rule and usually it’s not because of any intrinsic value beyond surface level traits. In populations where poverty is normalized and upward mobility is limited, women often recalibrate their standards because everyone’s in the same boat. That doesn’t mean attraction is fully decoupled from resources it just shifts relative to context. Looks, charisma, and the halo effect still matter massively. A physically attractive man with c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 03:22 PM |
| 5 | How can men be desirable to women under late-stage capitalism?Look, I get what you’re saying, but let’s not sugarcoat it emotional intelligence and “being a team player” are nice to haves, not replacements for hard resources in a late stage capitalist world. Women say they want emotional growth, vulnerability, humor, etc., and yes, that helps but for most women, that doesn’t compete with financial security or social status when choosing a partner. If a man is living paycheck to paycheck, emotional intelligence alone will rarely make him a high value mate i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 03:19 PM |
| – | Men had a harder time finding a mate before feminism.You’re right that historically tons of men never reproduced, but reproduction isn’t the same as sexual access or dating opportunities. In the past, mating was tied to survival, family alliances, and resources. A poor farmer might still get a wife because marriage was more about economics than romance. Today, relationships are based on attraction, personal choice, and sexual market dynamics. That shift means average men can get completely filtered out if they don’t meet women’s standards. Yes, mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/25 11:28 AM |
| 13 | The real reason why some women hate passport bros and whoremaxxersthe eternal saga of average dudes discovering the magic of cheaper beachfront property and 7/10s willing to smile for $50. Look, let’s just call it what it is humans are opportunistic. Women aren’t sitting around sipping kombucha plotting against passport bros. They’re just annoyed that the universe occasionally hands some dudes a cheat code instead of the usual grind. Looksmaxxing doesn’t level the playing field, it just ratchets up expectations on both sides. Everyone’s in a constant beauty ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/25 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Autism is the biggest barrier to dating and social growth and highly prevalent online. Most PPD content misleads this proportion of men to focus on the wrong things.I think the data in that Substack is real, but the framing is off. Autism clearly makes dating harder relationship and fertility rates are lower, and social signaling deficits get punished. But calling it the black pill is too deterministic. First, most of those stats come from clinical or self identified incel samples. That overrepresents the guys who are struggling most. Autistic men who do adapt and succeed aren’t usually showing up in these surveys, so the picture skews bleak. Second, autism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 10:11 AM |
| 1 | Men choose to have half their stuff taken in divorce"You Can Just Break Up If She Stops Working" is Naive and Logistically Suicidal. This is where your argument completely divorces from reality. Year 1: They marry. Both work. Year 3: Kid #1 is born. "Mutual decision" for her to stay home. It's what's best for the kid, it's often cheaper than daycare. This is a joint family decision. Year 5: Kid #2. She's been out of the workforce for 4 years. Her earning potential has cratered. You're saying at Year 5, if he's unhappy, he should just "break up wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 09:13 AM |
| 4 | Men choose to have half their stuff taken in divorceYou're missing the reality of why men make these "choices" and why the outcome feels like a betrayal. This isn't about legal consent, it's about the fundamental disconnect between the romantic contract and the legal one. The Bait and Switch of the Romantic vs. Legal Contract. A man doesn't get married thinking, "I can't wait to give this woman half my shit in 7 years." He enters a romantic and social contract based on implied terms: partnership, mutual support, building a life together. The "for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/25 09:13 AM |
| 9 | Men and Women need to start settling for the average personHappy ≠ Passionate, Many relationships are stable and functional, not fireworks and romance. People rationalize their choices. Nobody wants to admit they settled, so they convince themselves they’re happy. Survivorship bias, The truly miserable ones divorce. The ones left? Yeah, they’re fine. though I do agree with you on some extent If you're alone waiting for perfect, you’ll die alone. Good enough is often… good enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 10:38 PM |
| 12 | Men and Women need to start settling for the average personDoesn’t mean they’re happy. Plenty of people "settle" into miserable relationships because they were afraid of being alone. That’s not a win that’s desperation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 10:25 PM |
| – | Sex is a need, and men are losing today because they are not needed, which is a result of the Industrial Revolution.Oh, so we’re doing the "Lonely men? Just a marketing scam, bro!" angle now? "This is not new. This is marketing." No shit, Sherlock. Human suffering isn’t "new," but that doesn’t make it irrelevant. The Black Death wasn’t "new" either still killed a third of Europe. Just because lonely men existed in the 1670s doesn’t mean their pain is a fucking grift. Yes, the manosphere monetizes male insecurity. So does the beauty industry for women. But dismissing the entire issue as just marketing is like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 10:17 PM |
| – | Sex is a need, and men are losing today because they are not needed, which is a result of the Industrial Revolution.You’re mostly right, but you’re also strawmanning a bit. OP isn’t literally saying "women should be forced to have sex," but he is implying that male suffering deserves systemic intervention the way female suffering does. And that’s where it gets messy. Yes, male loneliness is a real issue, but the solution isn’t government mandated girlfriends. It’s societal shifts (better male support networks, less toxic masculinity, better mental health resources). You’re correct that OP’s framing invites ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/25 10:14 PM |
| 2 | The types of men who would be successful dating 100 years ago are not the same as those successful todayThe pit bull types didn’t suddenly become unattractive the environment that rewarded them just got paved over. In 1925, security, provision, and decisiveness were tangible survival traits. In 2025, they’re abstracted into a paycheck, a verified badge, or how well you can navigate social nuance. The golden retriever works now because the stakes are lower and people think they’re safer. But comfort based mate choice only works until life stops being comfortable at which point everyone remembers wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 06:22 PM |
| 6 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in menmb text tone strikes again... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 05:48 PM |
| 55 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in men"Men are just insecure” is the tiktok diagnosis. The real story is incentives and dynamics. A promotion changes three things fast: Time (less for the relationship) Stress (more at home) Options (her dating market value rises via status/peers) If the relationship already had hairline cracks, that combo snaps it. Also, the role flip matters, if his value was framed as primary leader or provider, and overnight he’s the lower status, lower time partner, attraction can bleed on both sides. Call it po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 05:30 PM |
| 13 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in menExactly broke guys can “do okay” as long as they stay in the broke lane. Which is literally my point: the progressive women OP’s talking about aren’t in that lane. They’re swimming in a pool where broke guys aren’t even on the invite list, no matter how “woke” their politics are. Saying “broke guys can date broke girls” is like saying “minor league players can still play baseball.” Sure.... but don’t pretend they’re getting called up to the majors. lmfao | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 05:16 PM |
| 12 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in menLower income neighborhoods have relationships, sure because everyone in that dating pool is lower income. The point isn’t “no broke man ever dates,” it’s that when you climb into the circles where progressive, degree holding, career focused women operate, the filter changes. In their pond, status and earning power matter a lot more because they’ve got options who check those boxes. It’s easy to “see couples everywhere” when you’re looking at people pairing within their own tier. Try being the br… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 05:09 PM |
| 59 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in menYou’re basically describing why “marrying up” is socially acceptable for women but turns into a minefield for men. When men adapt upward, they’re often seen as losing their own identity or worse, being “kept.” That rubs against the exact masculinity traits women still subconsciously want: confidence, independence, and not needing to orbit someone else’s world. The catch is, if a man doesn’t adapt, he gets labeled low class or embarrassing… and if he does adapt, he risks losing the very masculine… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 05:06 PM |
| 23 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in men“Lower class” doesn’t mean “unemployed bum” it means guys working retail, trades, delivery, or other honest jobs that don’t meet the “Instagram boyfriend” lifestyle test. The irony is that many women say “I just want someone stable” but define stability at a lifestyle level above their own. That’s why a man making $40–50k is “secure” when she makes $30k… but “not enough" when she makes $70k. It’s not about survival. It’s about status and status is political, whether people like to admit it or no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 05:02 PM |
| 22 | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in menSure, there are broke dudes in relationships just like there are lottery winners. They’re the exception, not the rule. Your wife making more than you doesn’t disprove the broader trend; it just means you lucked into a woman who either values something else above status or already saw you as high-value in other ways. The average “progressive queen” still filters men by earning power, stability, and social proof whether she admits it or not. The difference is, she frames it as “standards” instead … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 04:59 PM |
| – | Breasts are the reason everyone is unhappy, especially womenThe "BOOBS ARE EVIL" premise is kinda upside down here Breasts aren’t the reason for gender conflict they’re just one of nature’s more flamboyant billboards in the mating market. Men see the sign, assume it’s advertising a certain “product,” and then reality walks in holding a tax bill. Disappointment ensues. imo here's what i think is the real sequence: Signal- Secondary sexual characteristics (breasts, hips, face) are evolved to indicate fertility & health. Interpretation- Men’s brains are fin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 03:04 PM |
| – | Ironically, progressive women are still obsessed with status in menIt’s not “ironic,” it’s biology wearing a Che Guevara tee. Status preference isn’t a conservative bug it’s a human feature. Progressive, trad, goth, crypto women still sort by competence, resources, and social proof. The rhetoric changes, the selector doesn’t. It kinda looks like this out in the wild: “Smash the patriarchy” on the feed, marry the senior product manager in real life. “Money doesn’t matter”… until rent, vacations, and future kids do. “Date for values” = status by another name (edu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 02:50 PM |
| – | What are some secrets men dont tell women?Yes, men are more attracted to women in their early 20s on average. That’s biology, not a conspiracy. Yes, some men would cheat if they knew they’d never be caught just like some women would monkey branch if they knew they’d never be judged. The actual secret is this: Most men filter themselves around women because honesty usually gets punished. We learn early that saying, “I’d prefer you without makeup” or “I don’t want to date a girl with 10+ past partners” will get you shamed, labeled insecur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 02:41 PM |
| – | Dating in your 20s is impossible if you want true loveYou’re not mourning “true love,” you’re mourning innocence. When you’re both teenagers, nobody has bills, rent, careers, or a dating history full of disappointments. A walk in the park feels like a movie date because neither of you are measuring each other against a mental spreadsheet of “value.” By your mid 20s? Life’s scoreboard is on the wall. People have standards some fair, some shallow because they’ve had time to decide what they want and what they’ll tolerate. For a lot of women, that inc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 02:37 PM |
| 1 | Men are much better at manipulation than womenMen don’t get played? Tell that to the guy raising another man’s kid thinking it’s his, the dude drained for years in a dead bedroom before she bounces, or the simp bankrolling her “finding herself” phase. Getting sex in return doesn’t erase manipulation if anything, it’s the bait. “Men are much better at manipulation than women.” That’s an interesting framing, but it ignores scale and impact Yes some men lie for sex. But the “relationship under false pretenses” knife cuts both ways. Men also ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/25 02:32 PM |
| 54 | The Second She Feels Safe, She Leaves You.Cool manifesto, Socrates, but you basically just described “be an interesting, independent man with a life” and wrapped it in an edgy doomsday package. Half of this could fit in a Hallmark card if you swapped “validation control” for “keep the spark alive.” The rest is just overcomplicating common sense so guys feel like they’re cracking some ancient female code instead of just… not being clingy. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/08/25 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Most of us are here because we're shallowWelcome to human nature... You’re kinda late to the party ngl i mean basically everyone’s shallow to some degree, it’s not breaking news. however the real question is what you do with that. so you can either complain about it, or grind or cope on r/PurplePillDebate like me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 06:56 PM |
| 18 | Most alpha/sigma grindset guys or dating coaches are really just normie/attractive men subconsciously preying on the undesirableTrue but Elon also entered with billions in the bank, a resume that bends governments, and a literal rocket company. Charisma can be optional when you’re playing life on God Mode..... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 04:26 PM |
| 28 | Most alpha/sigma grindset guys or dating coaches are really just normie/attractive men subconsciously preying on the undesirableYou’re half right, but you’re missing the broader picture. Most so called “dating coaches” are simply mid-tier men who discovered that desperation is profitable. Hamza, Tate, and the rest aren’t mentors they’re marketers. Lines like “just be confident” are safe, low effort platitudes designed to sell subscriptions, not transform your reality. Self improvement isn’t bad advice it’s just incomplete. Physical presentation (gym, style, grooming) is non-negotiable. Status (career, social proof) is ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 04:20 PM |
| 6 | economy profits from male loneliness and benefits when men stay singleYou're trapped in a false dichotomy either "steroids and hair plugs" or "eternal loneliness." Her Options ≠ Your Problem. Female hypergamy is a biological constant like gravity. You don't rage at gravity; you build a better aircraft. "Mr. Perfect" is a Myth. She's chasing tingles, not a person. When he ghosts her (he will), she'll rationalize it as "chemistry." Your Flawed Compensation Strategy..... Gym? Necessary, but insufficient alone. Steroids? Stupid. You'll look slightly better and feel mu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 03:55 PM |
| 4 | economy profits from male loneliness and benefits when men stay singleYeah, “in shape, funny, and nice” is what girls say they want in the same way people say they value personality when house hunting. Sure, the quirky floor plan is cute, but they still check the square footage first. You’re not being passed over because the universe is unfair you’re being passed over because she can. Options are a cheat code, and you’re not her first pick. The fix? Stop being the safe, emotionally available practice run for women who are using you to pass the time until their rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 03:31 PM |
| -2 | economy profits from male loneliness and benefits when men stay singleYeah, it’s a casino. But come on you didn’t just get dragged in off the street. You saw the lights, the noise, maybe thought, “Eh, who knows? I might get lucky.” The house always wins, sure. But they’re not twisting anyone’s arm to buy more chips. The dating app boosts, the “signature scent” that costs as much as rent in some towns, the “alpha male” course run by a dude whose only six-pack is in his fridge people fork over money because they want to believe there’s a shortcut. Women have their o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 03:23 PM |
| – | Women are Hypocritical in Every Dating AspectYou’re not wrong about the double standards they exist, they’re cultural, and they get excused because it benefits women in the current dating market. But here’s the thing: ranting about it changes NOTHING. You can either keep cataloging every hypocrisy and get angrier, or you can accept that the game’s rigged and play accordingly. That means: stop expecting fairness, stop trying to “convince” women of the hypocrisy, and build your life so you’re not dependent on their approval. Women aren’t goi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/25 10:10 AM |
| 2 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menBtw I am kinda new to reddit, but how is my comment top level, i dont even think it has the most upvotes? Am I wrong? Also Fair. I came in hot. I’ll own that. But if my tone was off, it wasn’t about you it was frustration aimed at a system your post described with clinical detachment. I read the structure, not the sentiment. That’s on me. I’m not here to paint you as the villain. You’re clearly sharp and willing to engage. So I’ll try to meet that with better tone going forward if the space stil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 03:07 PM |
| 6 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menNot mad. Just noticed that when men categorize, it’s called misogyny. When women do it, it’s “OG wisdom.” When men react, it’s “uncivil.” When women assert, it’s “shared humanity.” I’m not tone policing, I’m mirroring. And you’re right, the Red Pill framing is the problem. That’s why I’m here. To unpack it. Not to uphold it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 02:53 PM |
| 3 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menAppreciate the compliment, though my goal is dissection. The red pill had valuable observations buried under layers of bitterness and prescriptive fatalism. The trick isn’t to swallow it or spit it out. It’s to digest what holds up under scrutiny and discard the rest. "What I find interesting is all these anti red pill women using nothing but red pill terminology. They believe in it while trying to distance themselves." Because frameworks survive longer than ideologies. Language persists because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 02:30 PM |
| 7 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menThat comparison only works if the “exercise” is actually available. But when it comes to loneliness or romantic rejection, many men do go outside. They lift. They read. They try therapy. They “improve.” And still face the same quiet invisibility not for lack of movement, but because attraction isn’t transactional. It’s selective, often arbitrary. So when you say “just think about something else,” it feels less like care and more like, “please stop talking about this in front of me.” “I'm referri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 02:18 PM |
| 6 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menVery emotional rant going on about things that I never said nor implied... If my response was emotional, it was in response to a system that affects millions, your post just happened to give that system a name and a spreadsheet. If it wasn’t your exact phrasing, fine. But the logic of your taxonomy stands, men are sorted into categories based on how they feel to you, and how useful they are after that. I just described the implications. “I love how you act as though men aren’t feelings and emoti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 02:04 PM |
| 10 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menYou started with “presuming all of this,” then dismissed the implications of that presumption that’s not moving the convo forward, it’s hedging. “Being less picky requires dating a person you don’t want to date. Being less frustrated requires just… thinking about something else.” You just distilled male suffering into “have a hobby.” That’s not empathy. That’s deflection. Frustration isn’t solved by distraction any more than loneliness is solved by Sudoku. If someone said, “I can’t find a partne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:53 PM |
| 13 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menExactly. The irony is that women simultaneously complain about men being "emotionally unavailable," "afraid of commitment," and "just looking for fun" while funneling 80% of their attention toward the small subset of men who check every box except long-term interest. So you end up with 80% of men never even getting the chance to fail a vibe check. 20% of men juggling attention they never asked for but won't say no to. And a chorus of "men are trash" echoing from the wreckage. Then when guys poin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:43 PM |
| 14 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menSo you admit the system's real, shrug at the fallout, then flip the blame onto the men it excludes. "If the women wanted to be less picky, they'd be less picky." Cool, and if men wanted to be less frustrated, they'd be less frustrated. But only one of those gets called entitlement, the other gets called empowerment. "Why would that woman feel safe around that man?" The majority of these “unsafe” men are just… invisible. Not dangerous. Not aggressive. Just ignored. You're projecting menace where … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:37 PM |
| 2 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of men"Bad faith" is just what people say when they can't address the content. I criticized an argument with structure. You replied with tone policing and emojis. If that’s your bar for “irrational,” no wonder the vetting process looks like a Buzzfeed quiz. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:28 PM |
| 0 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menI never disputed your citations.... My entire profile is filled with it lmfao , should i open it up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:23 PM |
| 2 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menThe difference is, I made a structured point and watched you orbit it emotionally ,calling it a "screed" while still quoting it line by line. You’ve replied five times to a comment you claim didn’t warrant a response. That’s not a counter. That’s narrative damage control. I’m flattered you needed a tag team just to keep pace. I’m done here. :D | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:20 PM |
| 1 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menOne of you brings citations I never disputed. The other accuses me of denying male emotions because I mocked retroactive logic. Neither of you engaged with the point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:18 PM |
| 3 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menYou didn’t counter. You reacted. There’s a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:13 PM |
| 1 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menSo even your DNA swipes left. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menYou keep calling it emotional rage. I keep watching you reply first. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 01:04 PM |
| 2 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menCool, you just proved my point in one sentence flat. I made a structured argument, you replied with a shrug and emojis. 'Feelings-based vetting' in action. Thanks for the demo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 12:59 PM |
| 28 | Women’s vetting does filter out the majority of menThe sacred taxonomy of Male Worth™ as administered by the arbiter of vetting wisdom. Let me see if I’ve got this right 🟩 Acceptable humans (30%) 🟡 Tolerable utility men (30%) ❌ Sexy demons (20%) 🚮 Biological litter (20%) And of course all of this is totally rational, based on feelings, and subject to change, except when it isn’t. Got it. You basically took every PUA acronym from 2006, added emojis, sprinkled in some modern Reddit feminism, and called it a vetting strategy. What you’ve created is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 12:43 PM |
| 3 | Would you be better than women at vetting guys?No, I think women vet perfectly, just for different outcomes. Women aren’t bad at vetting. They’re great at it, when it comes to filtering for emotionally stimulating men, not reliably good partners. Most women aren’t subconsciously selecting for stability. They’re selecting for feelings: “He makes my heart race.” “He’s mysterious.” “It just feels different with him.” That’s not a defect. That’s design. The error is pretending they’re aiming for loyalty and choosing the most loyal sounding liar,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/25 12:03 PM |
| 18 | Everyone is incentivized to demonize the nice guy.This is 90% correct, wrapped in 300% too many words. The demonization of "nice guys" isn't about morality it's about narrative management. Women need to protect two illusions at all costs: That they are victims of male manipulation, not agents of their own attraction. That their poor dating outcomes are due to deception, not preference. So the "nice guy" becomes the scapegoat. He's not dangerous, but he’s safe to hate. He becomes a stand in for the guilt women feel for chasing men who don’t trea… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/08/25 11:46 AM |
| 1 | If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculatedYou’re saying this because it makes you feel morally superior for misunderstanding evolutionary psychology. Contempt: "I despise you for being beneath me." (Your M-W definition) Hypergamy: "I prefer partners who offer more resources/status." (Buss & Schmitt, 1993) Hypergamy ≠ Hatred. Preferring higher-status men doesn’t require "despising" lower-status ones, it just means not dating them. Rejection isn’t the same as contempt. You’re offended by indifference. “Women don’t believe they are dumb pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 07:08 PM |
| 1 | If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculatedHypergamy ≠ Contempt Women preferring higher-status men is just a biological fact (studies confirm). Men feeling "settled for" when dating down: Insecurity, yes but rooted in evolutionary mating strategies, not malice. The Double Standards exists for both genders. Women: "I want a man who outclasses me!" (hypergamy) Men: "I don’t want to be her last resort!" (insecurity) Both are valid. Neither is "evil." Men who brag about dating down? Losers compensating. Women who deny hypergamy? Liars coping… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/25 04:58 PM |
| 3 | There is a reason why guys like anime, but hate romance novels and Hallmark moviesOhhh, so that’s why anime dudes are out here collecting waifus while Hallmark Chads are busy chopping firewood with their perfect jawlines. Anime (Male Copium): "Look, it’s just a regular guy scrawny, kinda awkward, maybe even a little depressed but somehow, against all odds, a cute girl loves him for… existing?" Why men love it: It’s the ultimate "I don’t have to change!" fantasy. No gym, no status, no game just vibes and a girl who magically overlooks reality. Hallmark/Romance Novels (Female D… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 06:32 PM |
| 1 | If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculatedhypergamy and male ego are two drunk guys fighting over the last slice of pizza neither actually wants. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 06:13 PM |
| 0 | If you hate women nagging about cleanliness, just date slobs.You’re 90% right but missing the final 10% that makes it click. "Why not just date slobs?" Because slobs aren’t hot. Men tolerate "nagging clean freaks" because they’re often attractive enough to be worth the tradeoff. No guy dreams of dating a crusty goblin just to avoid a sock lecture. This isn’t about hygiene, it’s about sexual market value (SMV): Hot + Clean freak = tolerable if she’s feminine otherwise Ugly + Clean freak = intolerable Hot + Slob = fantasy but rare (and still probably chaoti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 02:29 PM |
| 1 | If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculatedYou're conflating hypergamy with contempt they're not the same. Hypergamy is just women naturally preferring men who outclass them (biology). Contempt is just Men openly disrespecting partners who "date down" (ego). Women do chase up (studies prove this). Men do resent being "settled for" (hence the insecurity). The only solution.. Men: Improve instead of whining. Women: Own your preferences instead of moralizing them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 02:15 PM |
| -2 | If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculatedThe Male Contradiction Men claim they want women to "lower standards," but: When a woman actually dates down (e.g., a 6/10 woman with a 5/10 man), the man often: Feels unworthy ("Why is she with me?") Assumes she’s desperate ("She can’t do better") Loses respect for her ("She’s too easy") Men’s real issue is that they want exclusivity without effort, a fantasy. Men don’t actually want equality, they want to feel like they earned a woman’s desire. The Female Hypocrisy Women say they want "equalit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 11:07 AM |
| 4 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedScale changes nothing only visibility. Bar (50 people): Top 2-3 guys get attention. App (50,000 people): Top 500 get attention. Same ratio. Same losers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 09:18 AM |
| 2 | How likely/unlikely is it to find love as a man?fair point confidence and charisma are looks multipliers. A 5/10 with chad level frame becomes a functional 7/10 in her eyes Frame can bump you up a tier, but only if you’re not visually repulsive. Glad you like the summaries, I aim to distill redpill into small shots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 08:50 AM |
| 4 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedYour "few dozen people at a bar" fantasy is copium. Pre apps: Top 10% men still dominated attention just in smaller ponds. Now? Same 10% dominate bigger ponds (apps). Outcome unchanged. Visibility ≠ Success. Average men were always invisible, apps just exposed it. Stay delusional. The data won’t. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 08:36 AM |
| 1 | How likely/unlikely is it to find love as a man?Your nitpicks are valid.. I was just trying to sound a little less cold uk Attraction is earned, not negotiated Basically, Improve or cope You're mostly correct, but let's tighten ts even more Pickup Lines ≠ Game Yes, they’re training wheels for social calibration. But: Rely on them too long and you’ll sound like a yt tutorial. Upgrade to: Improv > Scripts "Attraction Grows Over Time" Correction: Behavior can sustain attraction, but it rarely creates it. Example: A 5/10 with dominant frame > 7/1… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 08:34 AM |
| 3 | We are looking at the gay man analogy wrongThe "gay man analogy" is a flawed but useful heuristic it exposes the asymmetry of attraction, not the impossibility of success. The 10% Attraction Threshold Empirical Fact: Female selectivity is hyperbolic, not linear. Tinder data: Women swipe right on ~10% of men. IRL: This relaxes to ~20-30% due to social context. What I am saying?, even "Chads" face rejection just less often. There's a lot of variance in Female Preference Blessing: A man rejected by 90% may still be ideal for 10%. Curse: The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 07:46 AM |
| 2 | How likely/unlikely is it to find love as a man?You're asking the right questions early good. The Lust vs. Love Equation Lust (initial attraction) requires looks/status. This is non-negotiable. Love (long term bonding) can develop without top tier genetics if you bring other value. Odds for an Average Guy Dating apps? Brutal. 80% of men are invisible (OKCupid data). IRL? Better. Social circles, shared interests, and demonstrated value (humor, competence, stability) can override looks. Marriage stats? ~60% of men marry (Pew Research). Most are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 07:32 AM |
| 6 | The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removedBanning dating apps won’t fix the root issue it’ll just delay the inevitable. The "Local Market" Fantasy Pre apps: Women still chased the top 10% locally (high-status guys in their town/college). Now? The top 10% just have more options but the selection bias remains the same. Result: Even without apps, average men lose because women naturally hypergamous. The Attention Economy Problem Apps didn’t create female selectivity they amplified it. Offline? Women still prioritize status/looks they just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 07:25 AM |
| 9 | You don’t get to claim you’re lonely if you’re unwilling to reciprocate.Kinda conflating loneliness with entitlement and you’re mostly right. The "Lonely" vs. The "Self-Sabotaging" Legit Lonely: People putting in effort but struggling socially (social anxiety, lack of opportunities, etc.). Self-Sabotaging "Victims": Ghost friends, then cry "No one cares!" Expect emotional labor but never reciprocate. Want attention but won’t give energy. The Dating Parallel Same guys who: Complain about being "invisible" to women but refuse to looksmaxx , gymmaxx, groom, or approach… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/25 07:18 AM |
| 4 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards."Most men aren’t incels" because they settle for less, not because women suddenly value personality over looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards.Ah yes, the "I diagnose mental illness through poorly-lit selfies" approach. "Awkward pose = awkward person" Congrats, you just bullied every neurodivergent man off dating apps. Meanwhile, Chad’s dead eyed bathroom selfie gets swiped right because JAWLINE "Crazy eyes = mental issues" Actual psychologists: Require years of training. You: "LOL this guy’s pupils are 0.5mm too wide > blocked! The Hypocrisy You: "Don’t stigmatize mental health!" Also you: "Ew, his smile is weird probably a school sho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 05:41 PM |
| 4 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards.A "glimpse" of personality from photos is meaningless when, 80% of men get auto-rejected before a single word is exchanged Looks filter comes first, "personality vibes" are just post-hoc justification | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 05:31 PM |
| 6 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards.You're dodging the core argument because you know it's true. Dating app photos ≠ real-life interaction. They’re curated, staged, and manipulated not candid glimpses of "personality." If non-verbal cues were that reliable: Catfishing wouldn’t exist. Divorce rates wouldn’t be 50%+ (people misjudge partners constantly). Women wouldn’t complain about "he seemed nice online but was awful in person." On To The Hypocrisy: You swipe left on 80% of men based on looks first, then retroactively justify it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 05:23 PM |
| 6 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards.Oh wow, you can totally assess someone’s entire personality from a carefully curated Instagram photo? Let me guess Guy with a dog? "He’s kind!" (Never mind if he stole the dog for clout.) Guy in a suit? "He’s ambitious!" (Could be a broke intern playing dress-up.) Guy hiking? "He’s adventurous!" (Or just trying to hide his receding hairline in nature lighting.) Non-verbal cues? Sure, they exist but dating apps are highlight reels, not documentaries. Women swipe left on 80% of men because they’re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 05:04 PM |
| 3 | What if Trp is the path to world peaceHmm my view on this hypothesis would be.. The Core Flaw in the Theory You’re assuming female desire is malleable it’s not. Hypergamy is hardwired, not socialized. Women don’t learn to like tall/dominant men, they’re born with that preference. Even in a world of "bad boys," kindness won’t trigger tingles it’ll just make you a useful outlier. The Feedback Loop Doesn’t Work That Way Current System: Women reward toxicity < men become toxic < women complain but still sleep with toxics. TRP "Overcorre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 04:49 PM |
| 1 | Men want women to have LOW standards, not consistent standards.Let's cut through the mental gymnastics this isn't about "consistency," it's HEAVILY about male frustration with the sexual marketplace. The "Double Standard" Men Actually Hate Women: "Personality matters!" (while swiping left on 80% of men based on looks) Reality: Both genders care about looks + status first, personality second. The difference? Women can afford to be picky (supply/demand). The Ugly Truth About "Nice Guys" "Women should lower standards!" is a Code for "I want access to women out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 04:35 PM |
| 1 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutYou’re confusing public shaming with private behavior. "Sugar Babies Aren’t Praised!" Publicly? Sure, people claim to disapprove. Privately? Women envy the lifestyle, men envy the access. Proof: Sugar dating sites have millions of users. The Hypocrisy is in the Execution Young woman + old rich man: Her friends: "Get that bag, queen!" Society: "She’s empowered!" Young man + old rich woman: His friends: "Ew, golddigger!" Society: "He’s pathetic!" Women: Maximize hypergamy (resources for youth). Me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 01:50 PM |
| 1 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'You're confusing romantic idealism with dating market realities. "Build What Value?" Physical: Gym, grooming, style. Financial: Skills, career, stability. Social: Charisma, emotional control, leadership. "Valuable to whom?" To women whether they admit it or not. "Just Be Nice and Understood!" Cope. Women say they want "nice guys," but swipe right on 6’2" guys with sharp jawlines. Data: 80% of men are invisible on apps (OKCupid). 72% of divorces are filed by women (Rosenfeld). "Nice" is the basel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 01:38 PM |
| 1 | 'Tea App' rage just proves men cannot handle being treated like women."Women Avoid Bad Men" False. Women chase "bad boys" (tingles) and settle for "good men" (stability). The Tea App just outs the guys who won’t commit not the ones women actually reject. Proof? Look at who women swipe right on vs. who they marry. "Women Want Attractive + Monogamous" Biology says pick one: Alpha = excitement (but rarely monogamous). Beta = stability (but rarely desired). You can’t have both. The Tea App won’t change that. "Female Promiscuity = Giving Up on Good Men" Cope. Women sle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 01:34 PM |
| 2 | Women care even when undesirable men are going thier own waysYou're confusing political rhetoric with actual concern fr Women don’t care about you they care about control Trump voters? Not hated for being men hated for disrupting the narrative. "Men leaving workforce"? Panic over lost tax revenue/social stability, not male wellbeing. Abortion bans? Weaponized to guilt men into protecting a system that despises them. The "Invisible Man" paradox is real Women claim: "Low-value men don’t matter!" Yet when those men act? Suddenly, they’re "ruining society." T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 12:47 PM |
| 1 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutThis isn't about "good vs bad" The Shannon Sharpe example proves one thing: Hypergamy works both ways young women trade youth for resources, older men trade resources for youth No one's calling women "BAD" , we're pointing out the transactional nature of these relationships "All men would be pedos" is emotional cope The legal age exists for a reason A 20 year old woman is an adult making adult decisions The real issue is why society condemns the male fantasy but celebrates the female reality The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 11:53 AM |
| 2 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutYou're missing the forest for the trees. Men swipe 50% = Biology. Men are wired to maximize opportunities (quantity). Women are wired to filter aggressively (quality). This isn't opinion it's evolutionary psychology. "Settling" isn't about lying it's about timing. At 25: She dates the 6'2" bartender with no job. At 35: She "chooses" the 5'8" accountant. This isn't preference it's market correction. Hypergamy 101: Women always date as high as possible (looks + status). If she "lowers standards," … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 10:59 AM |
| 2 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know about"Incel" was weaponized by feminists first now both sides use it. Don't pretend redpill owns it. Beta/Simp describe real behaviors , men who trade dignity for scraps of female attention. You're not offended by the terms, but by the truth they reveal that male loneliness/dependence is a choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 10:47 AM |
| 1 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutlmfao Briffault observed animal behavior but human relationships operate on the same principles, just with extra steps. Briffault’s Caveat Doesn’t Invalidate the Pattern Yes, humans have "more complexity" but biology underpins it all. Tinder? Female selectivity mirrors mate choice in nature. Divorce courts? Women file 72% of splits (hypergamy in action). Your "Gotcha" is a Non-Sequitur "Briffault said humans are complex!" ≠ "Hypergamy doesn’t exist." Women still determine relationship terms whet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 10:42 AM |
| 2 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutBriffault's Law is an observation, not a manifesto and it explains exactly why your arguments fail. Basically.. "The female determines the conditions of the relationship" = Women always optimize for hypergamy. Western women? Demand commitment after riding the carousel. Passport bros? Escape to cultures where women still value mutual exchange. You Can’t Refute Biology Women control access to sex. Men control access to commitment. This isn’t "redpill theory" it’s primate behavior (see: The Red Que… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 10:33 AM |
| 0 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutLemme dismantle this selective skepticism piece by piece.... "80/20 is Debunked! Women Don’t Swipe the Same 20%!" Irrelevant. The point was never "all women want identical men" it’s that female selectivity concentrates on top-tier traits (height, income, status). Tinder Study (2018): Women swipe right on 10% of men; men swipe right on 50% of women. Hinge Data (2022): Top 10% of men get 58% of all likes. Your cope? "But it’s not the same guys!" False. Overlap in preferences is well-documented (Br… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 10:01 AM |
| 1 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'No, us being a teenager doesn’t change reality but it gives us a massive advantage if you act now. We’re young. Most guys wake up to these truths at a later age, after their prime is wasted. You see the game early. That means you can build value before the wall hits women and desperation hits men. Build something valuable , so your prime lasts decades. Also you won’t magically become Chad, but you can outwork him where it matters Ignore the ‘bitter incel’ cope. The data doesn’t lie: Women chase … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 09:41 AM |
| 0 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'You’re proving the exact problem with modern dating women want "masculinity," but punish men who actually display it. "Why Are Men So Weak?" Because women reward weakness. Confident, direct men? Called "toxic." Passive, agreeable men? Called "safe" (until you’re bored of them). You say you want masculinity but how many assertive, dominant men have you actually committed to? "They Act Like Top 10% Men!" Of course they do. Society tells men: "Be vulnerable!" (Then women call them "needy.") "Be con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 08:43 AM |
| -1 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutYou're still missing the point I don't hate women, I hate the game. And I hate myself for not being good enough yet. That's why I grind. Passport Bros vs. Hypergamy Passport bros "opting into hypergamy"? No they're escaping Western female entitlement for cultures where mutual exchange is still valued. Poorer countries? Women there appreciate provision because they need it unlike Western women who expect it and resent you for it. "Red Pill Data is Debunked!" Funny how "debunked" studies still pre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 08:33 AM |
| 0 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutYou’re mad that redpill exposes the game instead of virtue-signaling. Reality doesn’t care about your moral grandstanding. "Redpillers Hate Transactional Relationships But Pursue Them" False. Redpill acknowledges that relationships are transactional women trade youth/beauty for resources, men trade resources for youth/beauty. Passport bros? They’re opting out of Western hypergamy, not denying it. "How Do You Know Old Men/Young Women Relationships Exist If They’re Hidden?" Same way we know unrepo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 07:39 AM |
| 2 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessPolyandry isn’t a "solution" it’s a female power trip that ignores male psychology. Men compete, women select. Always has been, always will be. "Men Only Want Sex"? False. Men want both sex and connection but sex is the gateway to emotional investment for most. Women control access to relationships; men control commitment. Both sides optimize. Polyandry = Female Fantasy, Male Nightmare Women: "I want multiple men devoted to me!" Reality: Men don’t share unless they’re desperate or cucked. "Just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 07:28 AM |
| – | Does the “victim” in a break up really glow up the mostYou're right breakups reveal character, not destiny. Your approach (introspection + action) is how people should process pain. Others wallow or cope so they stay stuck. I can relate to the covid part | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 07:21 AM |
| – | Does the “victim” in a break up really glow up the mostThe "glow up" theory is kinda half-true, half-cope The "Victim" glows ip because they had to ngl Dumped/cheated on? Pain fuels improvement. No one grinds harder than someone with a point to prove. The dumper? Often already checked out, so their "glow up" is just continuing what they were doing. Support systems do matter but so soes accountability Good friends help? Sure. But if you were the problem, no amount of hype will fix your face or personality (Sadly).The real glow-ups come from self-awar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessLet’s cut the delusion polyandry doesn’t "include" average men, it just formalizes their exclusion. "She Only Picks Attractive Men" = NO Solution for Loneliness if her harem is only Chads, then nothing changes 80% of men are still invisible. "Minimum requirement"? Copium. Women’s "minimum" is still top 20% the rest get nothing. Polyandry Just Means More Competition Before it was competeing against all men for one woman. After this it will be compete against more Chads for less of her attention. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 07:09 AM |
| 1 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessYou're describing a fantasy, not reality. Here's why polyandry actually plays out: "Equal Affection" is a Lie Women don’t equally crave multiple men they prioritize. One guy gets passion (tingles). The rest get obligation (attention scraps). "Minimum requirement" = You’re replaceable. The second a better option appears, you’re demoted or dropped. Monogamy Forces Investment Polyandry: She never has to fully commit. You’re a placeholder. Monogamy: She must choose meaning your flaws get weighed aga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 06:40 AM |
| 7 | The Shannon Sharpe situation proves that theres a significant proportion of older man-young woman relationships that are kept out of public eye and we don't know aboutYou’re confusing access with attraction. Just because high status older men can pull young women doesn’t mean those women actually want them long-term. The Shannon Sharpe Example Proves Nothing New Money/status = temporary desire. A 20 year old isn’t with a 57 year old because she prefers him she’s there for resources, clout, or daddy issues. Marriage stats don’t lie. If young women loved older men, they’d marry them. They don’t. They trade time for perks, then leave. Leo’s "Pedo" Backlash Isn’t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 06:36 AM |
| 7 | 'Tea App' rage just proves men cannot handle being treated like women.You’re conflating accountability with hypocrisy let’s separate facts from feminist fanfiction. "Men Can’t Handle Reputation Damage"? False equivalence. Women’s reputations are tied to perceived purity; men’s are tied to perceived status. A woman called a "slut" loses social value. A man called a "cheater" loses access because women control who gets laid. Just move on? Easy to say when your dating pool isn’t nuked by unverified gossip. The Tea App Isn’t "Justice" It’s a Weapon Women do share men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 06:31 AM |
| 1 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessYou’re missing the point polyandry doesn’t make you desired, it makes you convenient. "Minimum requirement"? Congrats, you’re the participation trophy in her harem. "Cancelling out cuckoldry"? No you’re just sharing leftovers while she chases the men she actually craves. Monogamy forces choice. Polyandry lets her keep you around for utility while she fucks the guys who excite her. If you’re okay being Plan B, C, or D, then sure polyandry works. But don’t pretend it’s anything but settling with e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 06:02 AM |
| 2 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessYou’re romanticizing a past that never existed for most men. "Traditional values worked"? For who? 50 kids with hot wives? That’s poverty and lack of options, not some virtuous system. Church enforced monogamy? It just masked hypergamy women still preferred the top men (landowners, warriors, clergy). Feminism didn’t "break" society it exposed the game. Before: Women had to marry for survival. Now: They choose and they’ll always optimize for the best available. "Group together"? For what? No amou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 05:58 AM |
| 1 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessPolyandry doesn't fix mediocrity it just formalizes your place as a cuck. Women don’t settle for average men in polyandry they tolerate them while still chasing the top-tier guys for excitement. You’re not a "partner," you’re a utility emotional/financial support while she fucks the men she actually desires. Monogamy forces women to choose. Polyandry lets them keep their cake and eat yours too. If you’re not top-tier, polyandry just means you’re one of many backups/the guy paying her bills ,whil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/25 05:52 AM |
| 2 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'Funny how your teenage ignorance is supposed to invalidate observable reality. You admit you fell for ‘dumb shit’ meaning you lacked discernment, not that the patterns don’t exist. Women’s behaviour isn’t a ‘phase’ it’s biology. Just because you ignored it doesn’t mean it’s not real. The world wouldn't care about my ‘I was naive once’ anecdotes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:58 PM |
| 2 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'"‘Most don’t meet on apps’? Irrelevant. Dating apps just expose what’s always been true: IRL or online, women chase the same top men the hot, charismatic, or high-status. ‘Similar’ partners? Sure after her looks fade and Hades ghosts. That’s not love, it’s damage control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Polyandry is the answer to male loneliness"Organize as a group"? For what? Women don’t need to respond they already hold the power in the sexual marketplace. Collective action works when you have leverage. Men have none. Women choose who gets access; men compete for it. History? Men "organized" when society forced women into dependency. That world is gone. Your ‘solution’? Copium. No amount of male unity changes hypergamy. Women won’t fuck you out of pity. Actual Solution: Accept the hierarchy. Climb it. Or stay irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:52 PM |
| 2 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'the classic ‘you’re bitter’ deflection when facts hit too hard. Funny how ‘too young’ never applies to women screeching about ‘male mediocrity.’ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:50 PM |
| 5 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'You're twisting semantics to avoid the truth. Let’s break it down: "Women Don’t Get Used" Semantic cope. If a woman wastes years on a toxic guy who cheats/abuses her, then jumps to a stable guy after her value drops yes, she got used. Biology doesn’t care about your dictionary. Pair-bonding ability does degrade with high partner counts (Study: Kaufmann et al., 2023). You Admit Hypergamy, Then Deny It You: "Women chase toxic men, men chase youth!" Also you: "We’re not superficial!" Reality: Women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:46 PM |
| 4 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'You're free to disprove me with valid points. Until then Cope Harder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:36 PM |
| 4 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'You're confusing desperation with desire. Yes, women eventually pick average guys after riding the carousel but let's not pretend it's some grand romance. It's settling, plain and simple. Toxic men get play? Of course lust isn't logical. But those women still wish Hades was loyal. They're not happy, just addicted. You think being 'chosen' after she’s been used up is a win? Congrats, you’re the backup plan the guy she settles for when her looks fade and Hades won’t commit. Women chase tingles (ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:17 PM |
| 3 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'The "Similar" Lie Studies measure eventual partners, not preferred ones. OKCupid data shows women rate 80% of men as "below average" but message the top 20% [(OKCupid, 2009)](). "Settling" happens later when options dry up. Yale/Harvard research: Women’s attraction peaks for high-testosterone men (aggressive, dominant) in their 20s, then shifts to high-resource men (stable, boring) by 30. Not "similar" opposite. This aligns with dual mating strategy theory [(Haselton et al., 2007)](). Buss & Sch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:13 PM |
| 5 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'Yes, women "settle" for stable providers after their looks decline or they get burned. This isn't loyalty it's damage control. The "attention-starved" women you describe? They're still fantasizing about the hot loser while tolerating you. Congrats, you're the consolation prize. Men compete for access. Women compete for commitment. Both sides lose when they play the wrong game. You're right that women chase attention but from who? Hint: It's not ugly guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'"Angry about not fucking a teenager?" Laughable pivot. I am a teenager , this isn’t about my access, it’s about observing what actually happens. Women do chase toxic hot guys early, then panic-settle later unless they do lock in Hades (almost never happens).Deny it all you want; we all see it happen. Stop pretending you don’t trade lust for stability later. Men should just stop crying and outwork the competition to the best of their abilities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 09:02 PM |
| 3 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'Women do chase losers but only hot, charismatic losers. A 6'2" deadbeat gets worshipped while a 5'7" accountant gets ghosted. Top 10% rule? Mostly true for casual dating. Long-term? Women do settle but only after their looks fade and Hades won’t commit. If you’re not top-tier, your window opens later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 08:34 PM |
| 10 | Men are seen and treated as the 'Prize'Women are desperate but only for the top 10% of men (looks, status, money). The rest get treated like "options" because most women would rather share a high-value man than settle for an average one. Men aren’t "the prize" the top tier ones are. The rest are just placeholders until Hades shows up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 08:07 PM |
| 0 | Women would have less trouble finding partners if more women had personalitiesWomen don’t need deep personalities to get partners men reward looks over intellect every time.The same guys complaining about "boring women" still swipe on IG models, not philosophers. If men truly valued personality, the "nerdy, passionate" guys wouldn’t be invisible. But they are. Because attraction isn't fair Women optimize for what works. Men do too. Stop pretending this is about "depth" it’s about leverage | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 08:03 PM |
| 23 | Polyandry is the answer to male lonelinessPolyandry won’t fix male loneliness it’ll just turn men into optional extras in women’s lives. If women barely want one average guy now, why would they suddenly crave multiple? Dating apps are a hierarchy, not a commune. Women chase the top men; the rest get scraps. No amount of mental gymnastics changes that. Solution? Grind or accept the game. Loneliness isn’t solved by begging for table scraps, it’s solved by becoming someone worth pursuing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 07:59 PM |
| 7 | Men who are desperate to find a woman are actually desperate for something else. A meaning to their lives.Men don’t need to "share power" to find meaning they need purpose. Weak men blame capitalism, feminism, or "society" because they lack the grit to adapt. No one owes you a wife, a legacy, or fulfillment really. The past’s "patriarchal deal" is dead. Build something worth following or rot | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 07:38 PM |
| 18 | Why do so many men in relationships lust after women online?Exactly. People men and women love eye candy. The only difference is society shames men for being open about it while women get a pass. But at the end of the day, biology doesn’t care about double standards. Hot is hot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 07:26 PM |
| – | Yes women are attracted to hot men, just as much as men are attracted to hot women, stop being hypocrites.Men & Women Both Chase "Up" , But Only One Succeeds Men shoot for hotter women? Obviously. Just like women shoot for richer/taller/more dominant men. Difference? Women actually land above their league because men prioritize looks over status (initially). Men fail upwards? Rare. Unless you’re rich/famous, no 5’6” janitor is pulling a 9/10 model. The Market is Brutal & Unfair. Top 20%" isn’t just looks. It’s status, confidence, game, and resources. Women have more options? True. But most still end… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 07:17 PM |
| – | Yes women are attracted to hot men, just as much as men are attracted to hot women, stop being hypocrites.No amount of "charisma" overrides being 5’6" with an average face in the eyes of female hypergamy. Women notice dominance, but they lust for genetics. You can’t "charisma" your way past hard dealbreakers (height, weak jaw). True dominance requires leverage (status, money, power), not just vibes. Women want controlled neuroticism. Pure stoicism works in movies not in long-term relationships. Being fearless is useless without having anything to back it up. Building real power is the way with using… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/25 07:03 PM |
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