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lifetime ban from using computers or smartphones. The ban was only for the five years of the probation.
/r/MensRights19/09/15 06:23 PM
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I wish that map had /r/ainbow on it on the mainland to really drive that point home. We're a lot less ridiculous than /r/lgbt.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 12:11 AM
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They don't publicly announce that they're trolls (trolls != circlejerk), and a large portion of the members there are completely genuine. They spend inordinate amounts of time discussing their ideology on their related subreddits and IRC channel. SRS most certainly is not a joke. Well, not an intentional one anyway.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 12:53 PM
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Agreed. I'm always grossed out by wetspots on my undies that I know are pee. Sure they're better than skidmarks, but why not combat both?
/r/MensRights19/04/12 08:12 PM
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One thing I have criticized people for who don't take men's issues seriously is that they often talk about the concept of intersectionality but don't realize how maleness can play into that. Misandry and anti-black racism intersect, and you get shit like this.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 09:26 PM
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Correct. "Raises/ing the question" is the common phrasing that people are often searching for instead.
/r/MensRights17/04/12 08:51 PM
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My male piano teacher was caught growing weed, didn't have any dependents, and only got a suspended sentence. However, he had a HUGE outpouring of character witnesses/letters, the judge said more so than any case he'd ever heard, so that might have something to do with it.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 07:39 PM
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Depends on what age demographic we're talking here. Older feminists are still heavily influenced by the "second wave," which was much more extremist, whereas younger feminists are more likely to be "third wave," which is more egalitarian. Obviously, those are just trends, of course. SRS has bought into the second wave nonsense, and there are people like Wendy McElroy who, while more products of the second wave, are more third wave-like in nature.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 08:43 PM
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Ugh, it frustrates me that you were downvoted for this position. We're NOT making any progress by categorically vilifying feminists, guys. There's a spectrum, ranging from "feminazi" feminists to true egalitarians. And the egalitarians are potential MRM allies by their very nature. Yes, feminism is often bad about rebuking the extremists, but the same is true of the MRM, really.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 05:48 PM
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I agree with the general moratorium on SRS-related discussion... here. However, a lot of people with an only casual understanding of SRS don't understand how deep the rabbit hole goes. While their man subreddit is a circlejerk, most of them are absolutely serious in what they believe. You can see this in places like /r/SRSDiscussion easily. I suggest coming to /r/AntiSRS if you want to get involved in the SRS drama, and I think you'll find that we're absolutely not idiots, as Abe_Vigoda implies.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 05:35 PM
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A lot of people view rape as near-exclusively male-perpetrated, female-victimed crime and jump to conclusions when the subject is raised.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 02:35 AM
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Actually, this is an old repost. There was even a thread on here about it ~11 months ago.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 05:56 PM
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The point is to protect yourself from appearing misogynistic.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 11:24 AM
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See my edit.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:37 AM
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See my edit.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:36 AM
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Note that this same judge gave a black kid 10 years in prison for possession of a single joint of weed. Our justice system makes me sad sometimes... EDIT: Several commenters on news stories about this claimed the above so I assumed it was true, but now that I look, I cannot find any sources. I'm usually more skeptical than this, but our justice system is so fucked up that it not only seemed plausible but likely, even. That said, my Google-Fu may just be failing me. However, take the striked-out …
/r/MensRights30/03/12 04:15 AM
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Jesus. Most female statutory rape victims were "consensual" (in a non-legal sense) too. If the kid wanting it makes something okay, by that logic, we also shouldn't have laws restricting minors from things like alcohol, tobacco, etc.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 03:55 AM
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Why does someone's previous job in porn (or the fact that he's gay??) dictate whether or not he can become a teacher? As sad as it is, it's probably worse in a lot of people's eyes. Sex negativity and anti-gay bigotry at work...
/r/MensRights29/03/12 03:57 PM
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Okay, bye! -waves-
/r/MensRights23/03/12 08:05 AM
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No, I've just had these arguments too many times to count, and it's just not worth my time. Cheers.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 07:58 AM
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Cheers.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 07:54 AM
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I'm not interested in debating. I've done it a couple of dozen times before and gotten nothing out of it but frustration. No thanks.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 07:53 AM
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I make judgments more on pragmatism than principle. That's where the consistency is.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 07:22 AM
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What about, you know, the other times? I don't really think there's a magical moment when you can truly say someone has become a "human," but I think there is certainly room for nuance. The substantial majority of abortions do occur in the first trimester, and you won't get me to bat an eyelid at that. Very few occur in the third trimester, and I think that that should have some pretty big restrictions. The problem is the second trimester I feel is sort of a gray area. As I said, I think the mot…
/r/MensRights23/03/12 05:39 AM
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I specify "social," because I don't think it's right to do all sorts of things like have quotas or have high taxes to finance bloated social programs (I'm a "soft" libertarian, so I do support some things, though). In other words, when people do two-axis political graphing, I'm very far left on the "social" scale, but I'm center-right on the "economic" scale.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 05:31 AM
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Two wrongs don't make a right? Better to give rights than to take them? I don't expect you share my sentiments, but it's ridiculous to think it's some sort of position to mock.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 05:11 AM
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In my opinion, pregnancy is too big a burden and has too many potential for complications to place an undeveloped cluster of cells's interest over hers. And I bolded opinion, because I'm really not interested in having this debate again. I respect anti-abortionists, but I also have heard all of the arguments and am not going to change stances.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 05:07 AM
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And I respect your right to that opinion, just appreciate (as I think you do based off of a previous comment) that it's generally better to give rights than to take them away. Really, we could go back and forth like this for awhile, but I think we understand each other well, and I do think you are definitely one of the better active members here.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 03:59 AM
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"Equality" can be such a nebulous concept, though. Equality of rights, equality of responsibility, equality of opportunity, and equality of outcome are all fairly different concepts. I'm somewhere between a libertarian and a liberal, so I don't really favor "social engineering" as a means to reach equality. However, I think we can certainly try to write laws and push for government treatment to at least be fair. Legal Paternal Surrender and abortion may not be "equal," but at least it accomplish…
/r/MensRights23/03/12 03:52 AM
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I can respect that if you're siding more with the former, I just want to make this point clear: as a social progressive, I refuse to fight against anyone's rights in the interest of fairness. Period.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 03:41 AM
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Except this would be counterproductive. Fewer abortions means more men are subject to paying for unwanted children.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 01:44 AM
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So we should find ways to increase rights for men (i.e. through Legal Paternal Surrender), not strip rights for women.
/r/MensRights23/03/12 01:42 AM
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This was on SRSDiscussion, which is not supposed to be circlejerky and for real discussions about progressive issues among SRS members.
/r/MensRights21/03/12 06:21 AM
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No problem, and I agree. I don't especially think this is a men's issues-related thing, though it does illustrate some of the bizarre rhetoric (and to any readers, I get what it means, it just seems similar to the "real men get raped" thing) used in these issues. I wonder if the bus company experienced any decline in ridership because of this campaign.
/r/MensRights21/03/12 12:35 AM
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"Help us change the numbers: safehousecenter.org" (Link is a higher-res version of the same photo.)
/r/MensRights20/03/12 11:02 PM
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Interesting, thanks a lot for sharing. As I said, I was just being skeptical, not claiming the post was necessarily wrong.
/r/MensRights19/03/12 04:42 AM
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I had something very similar happen in college too. I'd met a girl a few days before, and we both went to a frat party together. She pressured me into getting way more hammered than I would normally, but I barely knew her, and I was a virgin at the time. She kept really crossing a line that made me uncomfortable, and I told her several times I thought she was very attractive, I just wanted to get to know her better first. Nothing horrible happened with me either, but it just goes to show that wo…
/r/MensRights19/03/12 03:46 AM
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Note: I'm not the person you responded to and I don't share their sentiments. funding to force male college students to cross-dress as part of a political indoctrination program Are they really being forced to do so? That's a legitimate question. The website linked (the official one) doesn't make it seem like there's any sort of force involved. Their photo album makes it look like most of the participants are having fun. Obviously, they're going to portray themselves in as good a light as possib…
/r/MensRights19/03/12 03:30 AM
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...but the poster literally called Obama a radical feminist.
/r/MensRights18/03/12 11:44 PM
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There's a great episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit with that very title ("Stranger Danger") that examines this very phenomenon. I think a lot of people here might enjoy watching it.
/r/MensRights18/03/12 03:07 AM
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I'm glad you posted this now. There was a controversy linked recently in SubredditDrama wherein a mod of LGBT (RobotAnna, a known misandrist) basically argued that misandry isn't a bona fide concept because, in her eyes, institutionalized prejudice against men doesn't exist. People (rightly) talked about the fact that trying to redefine the word doesn't mean that personal prejudice against men doesn't exist and that is also rightly called "misandry." However, I thought another important point we…
/r/MensRights17/03/12 09:18 AM
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Remember, she was the one primarily leading the media witchhunts against the Duke Lacrosse team (turned out to be a false accusation) and the Smart family's handyman, Richard Ricci (turned out to not have any involvement in their daughter's kidnapping).
/r/MensRights14/03/12 09:12 AM
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Well, if she also takes care of all of the domestic responsibilities, I can see it perhaps being harder than a fairly laid back can-browse-reddit-half-the-day sort of job. BUT It is still completely a choice in modern society. Except in outlier cases like parents of special needs children (and they have their own programs), there is nothing preventing women from entering the workforce like there was in the pre-feminism era. I hold no judgment against someone who decides to forgo educational and …
/r/MensRights11/03/12 08:46 AM
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Courts in general, be they criminal or family, have noted, statistical biases in favor of women. It's the same as most female privilege. Traditionalism gave men more power, yes, but it gave women more protection or, in other words, men gain more when they stand to gain, but women lose less when they stand to lose.
/r/MensRights11/03/12 08:29 AM
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Please don't generalize like that. I know plenty of women (my mom and girlfriend for two) who hate this sort of bullshit. Men are also often responsible for the "culture of helplessness" too; see: white knights. The real point is that even feminists are subject to bias from archaic stereotypes, perceptions, and roles about gender differences.
/r/MensRights11/03/12 08:17 AM
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Yeah, I get frustrated especially when that's used to undermine the legitimacy of the MRM, because, let's be honest, feminism has done little for men's issues, and men trying to bring up men's issues in feminist spaces are often accused of derailing and other such stuff. I have no problem with feminism being a women's movement, though, funny you should bring up egalitarianism: I would say I'm a gender egalitarian more than I'm an MRA or a feminist, though I tend to give men's issues more time, b…
/r/MensRights09/03/12 05:49 AM
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Paying lip service to a few men's issues doesn't really undo lots of comments that, satirical or not, are clearly meant to undermine the very legitimacy of the MRM altogether. I'm all for feminists taking more interest in men's issues, but feminism is, at it's core, more about women than gender equality as a whole. That said, I don't see anything wrong with that. Now if only this subreddit would get more interested in the true reasons why a lot is the way it is, rather than just focusing on what…
/r/MensRights09/03/12 05:30 AM
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Well, to be fair, that's based on a slight assumption, in that you generally toe the SRS party line, which is very anti-MRM, combined with the fact you love to play devil's advocate here. But then again, that's kind of your game (questioning every post and all of that).
/r/MensRights09/03/12 05:05 AM
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You're an anti-MRA... so does that make you a misandrist? I hate the vilification of feminism here, but most of it has nothing to do with contempt for women's rights, just an overly exaggerated perception of the flaws of feminism (and, ironically, these same people whine when feminists do the same thing with MRAs.)
/r/MensRights09/03/12 04:52 AM
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My wording was unclear there, my apologies. I was speaking specifically with regards to the non-misogynist anti-feminists, which are all too common in the MRM.
/r/MensRights09/03/12 04:21 AM
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"Left-libertarian" is a broad term, though. That umbrella includes people like socialist libertarians (e.g. Chomsky) as well as people who are just sort of pragmatic libertarians (like me!), who are willing to accept reasonable taxation and government programs, as well as dislike the occasionally socially conservative stance of some libertarians (i.e. being pro-life, anti-LGBT rights, etc.)
/r/MensRights09/03/12 04:03 AM
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Copypasta from another of my posts: [Y]ou have to understand that most people simply think of feminism as "concern for women's issues and rights" not "a flawed movement that has sometimes caused more harm than good." So when people hear "feminism is bad," they hear "concern for women's rights is bad," and while no misogyny actually exists behind these comments, it's easy to see how such an interpretation will be viewed as misogynistic. And we can't expect people to get a full, nuanced view of th…
/r/MensRights09/03/12 03:48 AM
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Assuming you were referencing claims of misogyny (contrary to bubble-t's response), you have to understand that most people simply think of feminism as "concern for women's issues and rights" not "a flawed movement that has sometimes caused more harm than good." So when people hear "feminism is bad," they hear "concern for women's rights is bad," and while no misogyny actually exists behind these comments, it's easy to see how such an interpretation will be viewed as misogynistic. And we can't e…
/r/MensRights09/03/12 03:46 AM
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I just had to remark that I'm elated to see this comment doing well, as much as I fear it is due from outsiders' influence, due to my own inability to get people to see this exact problem even fairly recently. Regardless, it restored some of my faith. The people who reject these arguments don't realize that most of us aren't saying that feminism doesn't sometimes cause harm, but: a) Most people will interpret "feminism is evil/bad" to mean "equality for women is evil/bad" and thus automatically …
/r/MensRights09/03/12 03:43 AM
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I see exactly where you're coming from... and still disagree entirely. Of course companies are going to do what they can to be most profitable, and that's exactly why we should be organizing a response, so that this does affect their profits. As long as misandry is profitable, corporations will be misandric. We have to affect their profits.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 06:27 AM
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And those same narcissists are the ones who "know" that vaccinating their kids will hurt them and other such cruft.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 06:21 AM
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Which would make them not "entirely free"... I don't think you comprehended his question well.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 05:08 AM
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If anyone's surprised, they don't know much about Jessica Valenti. She's the founder of Feministing, a site that has posted far too many definitively misandric articles to count. She is NOT an equity feminist, she's a gender feminist, which is the variety that has earned Feminism its negative reputation with the MRM.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 02:10 PM
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I don't think kindnessabound is saying we necessarily need more feminism to solve men's problems, just that not all feminists are enemies of the MRM. The girl in the YouTube video citing Hugo Schwyzer wasn't very reassuring, though. That guy is pretty self-loathing, clearly.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 12:44 PM
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That she is, and I think she was "ICumWhenIKillMen" (and retired the account). There's also now an admitted Something Awful user voting "Strong Delete" and continually calling the MRM misogynist. The SRS/SA troll machine is leaking...
/r/MensRights29/02/12 12:35 PM
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You do know the radfem wing there is going to use the existence of this link as an excuse to disregard results they don't like, I hope? They already are in the AfD discussion, sadly. One person even said, multiple times, " misogynists MRAs."
/r/MensRights29/02/12 12:34 PM
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As a man who was violently mugged, I'm rather there with you.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 12:14 PM
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At least /r/beatingwomen is something that should be reviled simply for its topic matter. Atheism and Men's Rights are legitimate issues. I think /r/atheism has its issues more so than ours, but, at the same time, there's only so much one can discuss about atheism.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 02:05 AM
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That's what happen when you have campaigns basically portraying men as all potential rapists or pedophiles. :(
/r/MensRights28/02/12 10:23 PM
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Unless they upvoted it a lot in the past 2 hours, you're being fooled by their custom CSS. They put a "-" before vote totals to make it look downvoted, though that means actual downvoted posts follow the "--x" format.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 08:23 PM
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They'd still likely be expelled, since Harvard uses the "preponderance of evidence" standard for deciding such things in cases of sex-related crime.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 07:44 PM
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True, I guess we can't assume "the female" was the one who reported the incident.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 03:32 AM
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Whoever reported it is still blatantly androphobic, though I'm inclined to blame society more than her.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 01:20 AM
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Actually, removal of the clitoral hood is directly analogous to removal of the foreskin. And it might not be less "functional," but it's less sensitive.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 06:27 AM
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You implied that art isn't broad in scope but should be. Art, in general, is very obviously broad in scope, so I think I rightly assumed you were talking about individual pieces of art. My point is it's a matter of art/entertainment being out of balance, not a problem of scope.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 04:40 AM
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Then, and I sincerely mean no offense, your statement was poorly worded. Art, in general, is broad in scope, and it does convey a large breadth of human experience. I think there is some merit to the claim that entertainment media is, on the whole, more catered towards men, but there is still quite a bit of female-oriented media.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 03:55 AM
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I disagree. I don't think there is anything feminine about Fabio, just specific ways in which he's not hypermasculine, which doesn't undermine the fact that he's unrealistically (for the average person) muscular in appearance. None of the attributes you list are considered feminine when on a man, and you seem caught up in rather outdated notions of masculinity and femininity. Does anyone call John Petrucci or Mike Portnoy's hair feminine? On the flipside, does anyone consider Natalie Portman or …
/r/MensRights27/02/12 03:11 AM
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Hypermasculinity is not a women fantasy Fabio and other hypermasculine men have appeared on hundreds if not thousands of covers of book whose target is primarily women. I'm not saying it's not a male fantasy too, just that it goes both ways. Likewise, there are actually a lot of women, like my bisexual girlfriend, who actually appreciate the sexualized depictions of women in media. Women don't even have to be attracted to women to appreciate it either. A lot of women simply fantasize about being…
/r/MensRights27/02/12 02:08 AM
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I disagree. Your logic could be used to criticize art that is especially intellectual or deep, since the average person won't be able to appreciate it. Mass appeal is not at all synonymous with quality.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 02:05 AM
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Wow, this was practically in my backyard. I hadn't exactly held the Cobb PD to the highest of regards, but this certainly earned them a bit more respect in my book. They're also still worlds ahead of the Dekalb PD (neighboring county). Those assholes took a neighbor's (the accuser) word over my girlfriend's in a false accusation of domestic violence, since "women always lie in these circumstances." For the record, I've never intentionally caused someone physical harm in my entire life.
/r/MensRights26/02/12 03:09 PM
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There's nothing actually about assumption in his post, just about preparing for the potential possibility.
/r/MensRights26/02/12 01:35 PM
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Notice he said some forms, as one type of female circumcision is just the removal of the clitoral hood, which is (rightly) also condemned, as well as illegal in the developed world.
/r/MensRights26/02/12 12:50 PM
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Wow, I'd somehow missed that place before. It's a shame to have a place so blatantly bigoted associated with the MRM. I know our own subreddit isn't perfect, but I think most of the people here are pretty reasonable. That place is just a shitshow. I can't believe they're openly, ideologically anti-LGBT.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 11:26 PM
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Well, it depends whether they are "sex positive" or "sex negative" feminists. This is certainly true of the latter, however.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 12:15 PM
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People are just more likely to find it funny outside of /MR, which I agree is wrong. Just look at how often people make jokes like "don't drop the soap!" to people in prison.
/r/MensRights25/02/12 12:18 AM
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Exactly. A good example is "classical liberalism," which was liberalism as it was understood in the Enlightenment era. Classical liberalism's economic/fiscal platform is, in today's spectrum, conservative.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 11:46 PM
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If you can get over the fact it was on FOX News, here's a great related read from Wendy McElroy, an "individualist feminist" who is a big critic of mainstream feminism. I was elated to see her use the term "orthodoxy" to describe the religious adherence to feminist theory, as I'd independently begun doing recently myself. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html
/r/MensRights24/02/12 12:14 PM
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That would be my guess too, and I actually work not only in mobile development, but Android development specifically, and I can confirm that they're pretty sensitive about that sort of stuff. For instance, I got a formal warning because a blackjack game of mine (that didn't use real money) was listed as acceptable for all ages, yet apparently some parents got upset because they felt that it "glorified gambling." Fortunately, that's been the only problem I've personally had, though.
/r/MensRights24/02/12 12:20 AM
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Typhonblue is, if I recall, a woman and made a similar case, but most of the anti-MRM crowd dismiss her and girlwriteswhat as just trying to "impress guys" or some bullshit like that, unfortunately.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:32 PM
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That one was on the Market too, but it was removed. I won't jump to conclusions without knowing why, but none of the likely explanations are that reassuring, in that most involve more outrage over violence directed towards women than towards men.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 11:23 PM
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Fair enough, though I think the phenomena are still rather closely related. Basically, I have little sympathy for anyone who thinks they "deserve" a relationship and/or sex because they've treated the girl in question well. There are certainly girls who lead guys on for the continued attention, but I think a lot of guys just feel entitled and thus somehow wronged if she isn't interested in them.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 03:32 AM
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Seems to be a good critique of white knighting.
/r/MensRights23/02/12 02:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic.
/r/MensRights22/02/12 10:38 PM
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It's like the DRM of the workplace.
/r/MensRights22/02/12 10:13 PM
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the standard of living the child would have enjoyed had the parents not separated. This is the part with which I have a problem. I think to a certain extent that's warranted, but that was far surpassed in this instance. I guess I just don't have much sympathy for someone who wants $100k/year to care for one person, when I partially support my girlfriend and live off of $25k.
/r/MensRights19/02/12 08:03 PM
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The obvious discussion points aside, does anyone think child support at that levels is absurdly ridiculous? You don't need that kind of money to raise a child. On the lower end of incomes, I can understand some scaling of payments to work within the bounds of what the father can pay. However, that at least is the difference between a meager and comfortable existence, not a comfortable one and a luxurious one. No one is entitled to a life of luxury on someone else's dime. Someone else said his ch…
/r/MensRights19/02/12 07:06 PM
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Hopefully, if more of us send emails, they'll be especially likely to get the picture. My email: I'm disgusted by your inclusion of a page instructing women how to get pregnant without their partner's knowledge. This encourages women to deceive the person who should be able to trust them most and makes the resultant child much more liable to grow up with an absent or uncaring father. Keeping that page up is both irresponsible and offensive.
/r/MensRights18/02/12 11:01 PM
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The woman on the other end sounded fairly unsympathetic but said that she would pass my message along. More than money, they're actually looking for used stuff (clothes, appliances, etc.), a la Goodwill, though.
/r/MensRights18/02/12 10:57 PM
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I would love to "aid battered women and children." I would also love to aid battered men. I called and told them that I was offended by how they portrayed DV as a solely male-perpetrated, female-victimed act and that I could not support a charity that perpetuates those antiquated positions. DV is a human issue, not a women's issue.
/r/MensRights18/02/12 08:05 PM
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They used to be directly owned by Conde Nast, but they spun them off into their own subsidiary under Advance Publications (Conde Nast's parent company), so Advance is now the owner.
/r/MensRights17/02/12 10:09 PM
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I don't see how that's condescending, it'd just make your post easier to read.
/r/MensRights16/02/12 04:42 AM
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Aha, my mistake. An even more frustrating explanation: our society, as backwards as it is, does legitimately seem to be more offended by nudity than violence. Look at movie ratings. You can put in a lot of violence before it gets an R rating, but any explicit sexuality is an automatic R.
/r/MensRights15/02/12 06:29 PM
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Devils advocate: networks get fined a ton when live shows show nudity, whereas there is nothing illegal about allowing people with a criminal history on. I think its ridiculous to think it's something that would happen again and therefore stupid she was banned, but remember how much these network execs care about money and consider the above.
/r/MensRights15/02/12 06:15 PM
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I hadn't heard about the history of abuse being there, though that certainly is another strike against him. I don't think what he's doing is at all defensible at all, for the record. I do think Wil meant to go further to say violence against women. I'm willing to admit it could've been benignly unintentional, but even among the most progressive people there's still a certain perception that violence against women is somehow worse.
/r/MensRights15/02/12 08:29 AM
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I can agree with both of those. I don't think we should be letting Chris Brown forget like this happened, just acting like we should write the guy off forever is ridiculously extreme. A lot of people do bad shit, especially, dare I say it, rap artists. I love rap, but a lot of them have huge maturity problems, sadly. I'm not a huge fan of Brown's work, but I actually really like Kanye's, but holy hell does that guy need a reality check. That doesn't mean he won't slowly grow out of it. Look at p…
/r/MensRights15/02/12 07:01 AM
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I agree completely that what Chris Brown did was horrible, so I think any criticism in that vein is warranted. See this comment to see what I found particularly frustrating about Wil's post.
/r/MensRights15/02/12 06:20 AM
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I should first preface by saying I think what Chris Brown did was horrible and nothing can excuse or justify it. However, this post really made me lose respect for Wil. Maybe Sheldon is onto something. The qualification of "violence against women" really bothered me. I'm a man who was mugged and violently clubbed in the head with the perp's gun. Worst experience of my life. Is that somehow less awful because I'm a man? Chris Brown should be shunned forever? Really? Alienating someone from societ…
/r/MensRights15/02/12 05:12 AM
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Some paragraphing might be handy as well.
/r/MensRights15/02/12 12:56 AM
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And you've touched upon one of the reasons I'm a big fan of libertarianism.
/r/MensRights14/02/12 08:30 AM
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Psh, you know women will get special consideration. That's already the case with most colleges and universities when it comes to this stuff.
/r/MensRights14/02/12 08:18 AM
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Depends on what you specifically want to do. These days, I'd suggest really looking at web and mobile development in greater depth, though degrees often stick to more general subjects. However, a lot of academic programming is done in Java these days, which is the language of choice for Android development. Be sure to be able to be able to wrangle with a database. Knowing SQL is obviously helpful, though a lot of the industry has begun using "NoSQL" (just a term for any non-SQL database) types l…
/r/MensRights14/02/12 03:57 AM
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No, luckily. They said they were, cuffed me, and detained me. They spoke under the assumption that I was guilty, and the entire time seemed as if they were going to take me in. It was only until my girlfriend threatened to file a formal complaint (after being told her word doesn't count several times) that they started to back off... for a couple of days. They showed up a couple of days later unannounced for a "welfare check" and flipped out about the fact that my girlfriend wasn't there at the …
/r/MensRights13/02/12 11:10 PM
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I'm in a 2.5+ year relationship that will almost definitely end in marriage. She's supportive of most reasonable MRA goals, about the only exception I can think of is banning circumcision, and I suspect that growing up Jewish had some influence on that. She always understood, but she became especially sympathetic when a neighbor falsely accused me of abusing her, and the cops took the neighbor's word for over her own. They told her that, since too many women lie in abusive situations, she simply…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 10:31 PM
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Yet, of course, no one raises an eyebrow when people turn around and make statements that imply that all men are rapists/pedos/etc. I think probably the most laughable theory touted by feminism is the whole "gender as a social construct" thing. As you say, we can't let statistics define people -- I'm all for equal rights and not being prejudiced against individuals and all that jazz, but men and women are different in more than just anatomy. Feminism loves to adhere to these "theories" that don'…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 10:17 PM
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That list seems fairly fitting in my case. I definitely think women are significantly more likely to be unreasonable in their expectations. It's like a lot of women feel entitled to a disproportionate share of the relationship's benefits -- that they deserve to be showered with gifts, to be entitled to your time whenever they please, etc. I just don't think it's fully black-and-white, but I'll completely concede that women are more likely to pull that shit.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 09:30 PM
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Well, I'd say you still learn knowledge and skills, just ones far, far lower on the totem pole of practical usefulness. My quip about student loans is just because I don't understand why people think it's a sound decision to go $50k into debt to get a theater degree. It's like the "I am the 99%" picture poster whose story was about getting a women's studies degree and winding up unable to get a job or pay off student loans. Sucks for them, but what did they expect? You can only blame so much on …
/r/MensRights13/02/12 06:39 PM
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I think it can certainly be a fun field, but when you encounter people who go into student debt for a theater degree, you just have to scratch your head a little bit.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 06:20 PM
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You're reading way too into things if you think that. Ironically, your last post was incredibly condescending, basically acting as if you should school me how to live because of a simple semantic mistake on my part.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 06:13 PM
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I won't deny that! I came from a pretty average family wealth-wise, but my grandfather used to own a small business that wrote information management software before the internet came along and killed their business model, but it got me into that stuff from a young age. My mom would do extra work there part-time to make extra money (primarily being an interior designer by trade) and take me along.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 05:42 PM
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Quite the intense response! You seemingly missed where I admitted that I was unclear, and I'm not trying to weasel my way out of anything. It's clear why my position potentially comes across as inconsistent, and I've already apologized for that. (see how nice I am, giving you the benefit of the doubt?) This made me snicker, considering the rest of your post, especially your "three things," #2-3 of which don't even apply to me (I am consistent with my stance and I did admit my mistake). As for th…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 05:36 PM
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We have a problem of definitions here, and I can see why you're confused. To me, anyway, there's a difference between being "more educated" and having a higher-level degree. My point is that I am, in subjective terms, "more educated" than a lot of people who hold higher level degrees than I do. I admit that I was somewhat unclear. My apologies.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 04:46 PM
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It certainly does to me, though I don't like viewing it through such concrete terms, which was my point in the other post. My posts are not at all contradictory.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 04:11 PM
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As a man, I certainly have plenty of expectations myself, though am fortunate enough to find someone that more than exceeds them. Women might be able to get away with such expectations more easily, but don't pretend that it's a woman-only thing for an instant. I agree that a lot of the expectations are arbitrary and silly, though. College at least makes some sense, but a lot of women expect a guy with a grad school degree these days, which is stupid. There are a lot of people (like myself) who a…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 03:31 PM
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I don't think that's wholly true. I met my current girlfriend (of over 2 years) on there, actually, and she was just trying something different. That said, I was on the site for over a year-and-a-half and went on dates with several other women before meeting her, and that trend certainly is there. The overly picky criteria are a good example of this, and a lot of it is so asinine anyway. I don't think I'll ever go to grad school, simply because I have no reason to do so, yet I'm more well-read a…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 03:24 PM
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Pretty much, though more their high school than college ones. I think another factor is the recent trend in the US to tell kids that they can accomplish anything with enough hard work and perseverance, which, even if it wasn't only a half-truth, says nothing about how much money you'll make in the process. You could see how, over a college experience, the attitude would diminish too, I just certainly witnessed a lot of people wanting to make a liberal arts education something it wasn't. I, on th…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 03:12 PM
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I have yet to meet a single man in my entire 30 years on this planet Earth who even cared about the level of education a potential mate had acquired -raises hand- I like intellectual discourse, and it's important to me that my partner be able to participate. Fortunately, my girlfriend of over 2 years fits the bill.
/r/MensRights13/02/12 03:03 PM
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That doesn't stop a lot of people getting liberal arts degrees thinking they can actually make it in that particular field. I majored philosophy and segued into software engineering (which had been a big hobby since I was a kid), and a lot of my classmates were wise enough to do similar things (though law school was the biggest target). However, there were some kids who basically thought they could pay their way through life writing philosophical treatises, which was a struggle for even folks li…
/r/MensRights13/02/12 01:46 PM
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You can still convert someone. My girlfriend was adopted and converted by Orthodox Jews. That said, I don't think it excuses what's going on here, especially since the kid himself seems opposed to the idea.
/r/MensRights12/02/12 01:27 PM
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Well, that's the divorce of concept and reality coming into play, I'd say, and I think is one of the biggest legitimate critiques of feminism in practice: it wants to take but not give. The whole bullshit villain of "patriarchy" conveniently paints women as purely victims, which I find ironically sexist.
/r/MensRights11/02/12 03:30 AM
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That's one reason I think we need to (as we slowly have) move away from this idea that feminism is a wholly evil entity to focusing on more academic criticism of it. In the conceptual sense, "feminism" just means equality for women. Someone who automatically jumps to that definition might (very incorrectly) assume more blindly hostile attacks are misogynistic.
/r/MensRights11/02/12 02:45 AM
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Porn isn't misogynistic at all. Sex negativism sucks.
/r/MensRights31/01/12 02:51 AM
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That's not financially practical for a lot of people, though.
/r/MensRights30/01/12 06:34 PM
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Clearly yamrs hasn't seen your YouTube videos.
/r/MensRights30/01/12 05:51 PM
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I suggest going to /r/antisrs to talk about this stuff instead. We even have a few active SRSers on there who seemingly appreciate how ridiculous that place has gotten and will get involved in discussions.
/r/MensRights30/01/12 01:58 PM
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Clearly not. He's gotten extremely hostile towards me in the past simply because I still consider myself a feminist too. I mean, shit, feminism is far from perfect, but the people who have this "feminism is pure evil" mentality just perpetuate our PR problem. Comes across as slightly sexist at best, outright misogynistic at worst.
/r/MensRights29/01/12 09:50 PM
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Seems to describe the worst of both movements pretty well.
/r/MensRights29/01/12 12:49 AM
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A "reasonable" feminist shouldn't have an opposing viewpoint or at least can be enlightened to not. The problem is a large percentage of feminists range from academically brainwashed to outright radical.
/r/MensRights29/01/12 12:47 AM
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Wow, thanks so much for pointing this out. That's really interesting and adds a perspective to the abortion debate I hadn't considered. I was and still am pro-choice, though.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 10:53 PM
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Factory2 dismisses and turns hostile towards anyone who shows sympathy at all for women's issues. It's sick, really.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 09:50 PM
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No, your categorical refusal to consider anything else is why. It doesn't matter if I continue to try, your mind is made up, and I have more important things to worry about than what strangers on the internet think of me.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 07:18 PM
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I'm not usually one to do things out of spite, but I'm going to go make a big plate of bacon just because of this woman's remarks. These sorts of "theories" are exactly why feminism corrupted into the mess it is today, because trying to base your actions on bullshit just makes your actions bullshit themselves.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 11:10 AM
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And it was a self-sustaining cycle. Evolution of those brains allowed us to communicate better as a group to hunt more effectively, since we lack the strength of a lot of other meat-eating species.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 11:08 AM
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"Bringing home the bacon" comes to mind.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 11:00 AM
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I'll just say this. Think of a nose ring, except, instead of a nostril, it's your urethra.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 02:05 AM
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You clearly have no grasp whatsoever on my intentions, positions, or goals. I am a MRA first and foremost, haven't been subjected to a false accusation of domestic violence. My uncle getting screwed over more royally than I could imagine in the family courts didn't help. I will not be participating in this exchange further. If you devalue my ideas wholly simply because of disagreement with one, I don't feel compelled to spend any more time discussing that fact with you. I will continue to value …
/r/MensRights27/01/12 11:03 PM
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And in all that time 'Gender' Studies courses ignore men's issues, 'good' feminists are still somehow totally ignorant about these issues...even after 15 years of educating other feminists...all they do is disappear Did you see my initial post? This plays into exactly what I've been saying, that the academization of feminism has created problems by creating an orthodoxy of what is "correct." I'm a HUGE critic of Feminist theory. What makes you such the fucking expert? Where did I claim to be an …
/r/MensRights27/01/12 10:27 PM
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Yeah, I was under the impression (at least based on what some women and gay friends have said) that even people attracted to guys don't think penises are exactly "aesthetic."
/r/MensRights27/01/12 10:13 PM
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What father should be that concerned with his child's dick? ಠ_ಠ
/r/MensRights27/01/12 10:08 PM
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Also, he ignored the fact that piercing can be done to more than just ears. Would you give a baby a Prince Albert piercing? That's even more directly comparable.
/r/MensRights27/01/12 10:06 PM
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So what if it takes away a little bit of sensation So you're okay with a parent forcing their child to derive less pleasure from sex? That's kind of messed up. cutting off foreskin does no such thing. I would say that bodily autonomy is a right.
/r/MensRights27/01/12 10:03 PM
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chunk of foreskin really doesn't Are you new around here? That isn't true at all. It also isn't a still widely respected tradition "Tradition" isn't a defense. That's just as bad as, say, denying gays the right to marry due to "tradition." Here's a great short story about the general problem of using "tradition" as a defense -- "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson.
/r/MensRights27/01/12 09:23 PM
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What if it was not his fault the first marriage failed, and his experiences turned him off to it so much he didn't want to remarry?
/r/MensRights27/01/12 09:13 PM
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If we only did things out of absolute "medical necessity," we'd probably all be dead. I think you're interpreting the phrase too literally. With surgery, I would make the differentiation at things that are considered "elective" procedures. The purpose doesn't really matter, it's consensual if the parent consents. That may be the current legal precedent, but I disagree with it. You have to draw the line somewhere, and I think it should be lower. What if parents were cutting of the tip a finger?
/r/MensRights27/01/12 09:06 PM
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I simply think that people misunderstand the beast that is feminism, and that isn't helping the MRM. Feel free that hate me if you wish, I'm don't mind getting narrow-minded disapproval from strangers.
/r/MensRights27/01/12 08:45 PM
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You obviously didn't read my post fully...
/r/MensRights27/01/12 08:40 PM
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You cannot adequately judge me from this post alone. I present to you three others I've submitted recently, all of which are definitely actively pro-MRA: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/oieku/check_your_privilege_to_me_is_one_of_the_most/ http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/os2ym/a_doublestandard_ive_noticed_with_regards_to/ http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/os84t/dae_find_the_rape_is_about_oppressing_women/ I've posted many comments too that have been similarly rec…
/r/MensRights27/01/12 12:15 PM
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Yes, non-consensual piercing is wrong too. That said, since ear piercings, when done by a trained professional, have a trivial risk of serious negative consequences, I think the age at which you should be able to consent to something like that should be fairly low.
/r/MensRights27/01/12 11:34 AM
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Complains about any proposed legislation to protect genital integrity as "governmental intrusion." I'm (mostly) a libertarian, and that's a horrible application of that complaint. The government should still be allowed to intervene in instances to protect someone from non-consensual harm. That harm can be physical (e.g. assault), mental (e.g. harassment), sexual (e.g. rape), or material (e.g. theft). Physical harm encompasses anything that causes non-trivial pain, injury, or diminishment of heal…
/r/MensRights27/01/12 10:55 AM
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A group of SRS has been trolling us since we first really got started, and we haven't banned them or deleted their posts. So no.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 04:06 PM
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A lot of that is just hostility not worth entertaining, but you clearly missed the forest for the trees. The whole premise of this post is based on the fact that feminism has caused damage to the MRM, as it seeks to deconstruct that very phenomenon. Feel free to reject my suggestions about how we should handle that, but I don't see at all how I'm displaying ignorance of the damage they've caused. You also don't understand what a non-zero sum game is. All that means is that, for one player to gai…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 02:11 PM
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I hate the "my problems are worse so yours don't matter" mentality that a lot of people have, which is an attitude often used for derailing discussions of men's issues. You might as well tell everyone who has legitimate complaints, "Really? There're starving, HIV-infected babies in Africa, and you're going to complain?" 99.9% of people are going to have legitimately shitty aspects to their life. Welcome to the human experience.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 09:40 AM
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"Our study found that children are the most important asset in a marriage and the partner who expects to get custody is by far the one most likely to file for divorce." I've long suspected this to be true. Not only do we need to end these sexist institutional prejudices against fathers getting custody, but the fact that it all basically reduces children to bargaining chips is sick.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 09:26 AM
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that is like being a "communist" in a general sense and a "Communist" in the sense of advocating "Communist theory" I think that the idea of "feminism" is more intrinsically good (even if it has become tainted, as you say). What I mean is that there's no legitimate argument against the basic concept of equality for women, whereas there are problems inherent to communism on even a conceptual level -- absolute equality reduces incentives to work hard. There are other words to describe being in fav…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 09:11 AM
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Well, I don't think the problem with most of the academic/governmental types is that they hate men, it's just that their narrow view of the world makes them hurt men. the government anti-domestic violence campaign pretends violence directed towards men doesn't exist. This is a problem in the US too, and I think that's a good reason for an "awareness" position of the MRM to be bringing light to that issue, and I do, in fact, occasionally see posts about it here.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 08:32 AM
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Feminism was never about equal rights. Never. Never ever. That simply flies in the face of history. The modern feminists are just a corrupted form of their original selves, from several decades of academic, dare I say it, brainwashing. there are no "good" feminists because none of them actually fight for fair treatment for men. Feminism, the movement, doesn't fight for fair treatment of men, but feminists, the individuals, do more often than you would think. I'm waaaayyy more active with the MRM…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 08:26 AM
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Mostly in agreement here, just some more thoughts... I generally expect people to look out for their own interests That's why I think it's understandable to be more active in movements that represent your demographics. I'm certainly a much more active MRA than I am a feminist, and I'm not going to criticize anyone who doesn't want to spend their energy on women's rights, as long as they are not against them. I tend to think is looking out more for her sons. I actually think that reflects a great…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 08:18 AM
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Rubbish There's a difference between being a "feminist" in a general sense and a "Feminist" in the sense of advocating "Feminist theory." There is a reason the Gay rights movement dumped NAMBLA, and women's rights activists need to figure that out and dump the man-haters and separatists. By saying we should try to "fix" Feminism, part of what I mean is something quite similar. I just think the "orthodoxy" problem gets in the way, so we should be criticizing (in an academic sense) Feminist theory…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 08:10 AM
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Feminists loby under the title of going for "equal rights for all" but in practice, that isn't what happens. Agreed, which is why I think we should even encourage that idea that they shouldn't be that, because it gives them a monopoly on activism. They even go so far as to go AGAINST the rights of men. Agreed, but I don't a lot of them realize the nature of their damage, because they have "orthodox feminist" blinders on, perpetuating a very narrow and close-minded worldview. because of the "patr…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 08:04 AM
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My problem with that is I just don't think feminism is going anywhere, it's just too firmly entrenched at this point. Regardless, we need to frame our perspective a little better. We're more likely to win over the "good" feminists if they don't think we think they're evil. That's why I think it's better to view them as perverted or radicalized. I don't want superior rights to women - I want equal rights to women. I'm completely with you there, though.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 07:59 AM
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I've experienced what you've experienced, and I mostly agree with what you say. feminism either stands directly opposed or the very least indifferent to men's issues. I think that it's a mix of the two, depending on which feminist you talk to, and by encouraging the idea that internal indifference is okay, we can legitimize the MRM, while avoiding dealing with the drama of whether or not we should be part of the feminist umbrella. That said, I think we need to preach the idea that one can easily…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 07:50 AM
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I agree, and that's why I think the comparison to religion is so valid -- most religious people have good intentions, but religion causes a lot of harm. Most feminists just don't make the distinction between their ideas of feminism, and the actual laws enacted etc. Right, they're caught up in a "Feminist orthodoxy" that blinds them to how their actions can be damaging.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 07:44 AM
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If feminism admitted to being a women's interest's group that lobbies for improving women's power at the expense of men - I could accept that. The "orthodoxy problem" is not only what causes this but makes them so blind to recognizing the damage they often cause. It's the pretense to be an overall gender equality movement when they are clearly not - that I find unacceptable. That opinion is certainly common, but a lot of feminists think the reverse -- that feminism isn't the place for men's issu…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 07:42 AM
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therefore you are an absolute enemy of /MR. ...despite being an ardent champion of their causes, in part due to recognizing feminism's rather glaring imperfections. Wonderful. Ah, so not one single example. Typical feminist. I'll be the first to say some feminists often try to exaggerate it and take it to unrealistic conclusions, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Note that a lot of these are TRENDS AND NOT ABSOLUTES, but that doesn't mean there aren't reasons we are lucky to be men (and that…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 06:03 AM
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Wow, if I hadn't encountered a lot of MRAs like you before, I'd think you were doing false flag operations to discredit the MRM. I have a blind hatred of anything remotely feminist. Then you hate me, despite the fact I'm a passionate and outspoken MRA. Care to give me one single example of supposed "male priviledge"? The fact that you even ask this is ridiculous. Feminism has done a lot to dismantle it, while not doing the same with female privilege (which is why the MRM absolutely must exist), …
/r/MensRights26/01/12 05:15 AM
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Yeah, I think it was a lame attempt at an insult. SRS often claims "oh, but it's all satire" as a defense (which I don't think is an excuse for the shit they pull), but Sophonax is, in reality, just as spiteful and narrow-minded as a lot people SRS calls out.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 05:11 AM
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Are you new to this sub? No, I've been here for over a year and have breathed a sigh of relief to see it, on the whole, slowly begin to transition away from blind hatred towards anything feminist. Male Privilege... Have you stopped to consider for a moment that there could be both male and female privilege? Understand that feminism is a Hate Movement. I've read that post before multiple times, and I disagree with it. I think it's identifying a certain radical but vocal subculture among feminism.…
/r/MensRights26/01/12 04:45 AM
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I think a lot of Sophonax's type think that "white knight" means a guy who has to try too hard to get laid, despite the fact the allusion to the fairy tale trope is ridiculously self-evident.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 04:33 AM
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Exactly. I was content to live and let live if they stayed in their own little bubble, but they're starting to cause problems for legitimate redditors. Ironically, they complain about MRAs invading other subreddits, when they routinely do the same. "Officially" they aren't a downvote brigade, but the evidence is overwhelmingly to the contrary.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 04:15 AM
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Even if you feel that way (I disagree -- both have a lot of problems), how does that make it wrong to be a feminist? Making those sorts of claims is why a lot of people think MRAs just don't want to lose male privilege. Labeling yourself a feminist just means you care about women's rights and issues. It doesn't mean that you don't think that capital-F Feminism has problems.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 04:12 AM
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He is even an admitted feminist! barf. This sort of stuff is the reason why the SRS trolls feel motivated to mock us. Please stop. Feminism isn't perfect, but the MRM isn't either.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:59 AM
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That post made me laugh. You clearly give a fuck if you're pulling childish antics like this.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:45 AM
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This sort of attitude is exactly why I'm so ardently opposed to SRS. I was a MRA (and a feminist) long before you trolls ever came along. You pick out the worst of our flock and use them to jump to conclusions about the MRM as a whole.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:40 AM
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Please consider subscribing to /r/antisrs to help take a stand against this group's lunacy. They're forming downvote brigades, fight hate with hate, and their politics have torn apart /r/lgbt and /r/transgender.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:37 AM
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Please consider joining the recently formed /r/antisrs to form a united front against these assholes.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:30 AM
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feminists honestly believe that there is no reason for a Men's Rights Movement to exist Please don't generalize. A lot of feminists are sympathetic to the MRM, even if a lot of them range from hostile to apathetic. I get where you're coming from, but that needless divisiveness isn't helping us.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:28 AM
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QwestionEveryPost was trolling the brand new /r/antisrs subreddit last night. He's a prime example of what's wrong with SRS.
/r/MensRights26/01/12 03:27 AM
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Great article. The perspective of this title was also refreshing and indicative that this community is moving in the right direction. When I first came here, the prevailing opinion seemed to be hostile towards all feminists and less willing to recognize the problems that Traditionalists create too. Reasonable feminists are natural allies of a reasonable MRA. Traditionalists are what ingrained the concept of male disposability and expectations of sacrifice in society. That said, even some otherwi…
/r/MensRights25/01/12 12:05 PM
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Shit, I had something roughly similar to this actually happen to me. Quite unwisely, I was out in a bad part of town around 1 AM one time, and I got mugged. One of the cops who took my police report muttered "dumbass" under his breath and asked a few questions that implied I had basically welcomed it upon myself. Victim blaming happens with far more than just rape. It's never a good thing, but portraying it as a phenomenon exclusive to rape holds back meaningful progress. A big part of it is par…
/r/MensRights25/01/12 11:15 AM
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/r/bigotryshowcase is supposed to be the alternative SRS, though it often hits the low-hanging fruit there. This is more discussion-oriented. how about /fucksrs? How many anti SRS subs are there now!? Most of them are just as bitter and reactionary as SRS itself, which accomplishes nothing. It's pathetic that so many people are buttpained by the mockery of misogyny and racism. If that's all SRS was, I'd be right there with them.
/r/MensRights25/01/12 08:50 AM
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Once again, no problem -- it bothers a lot me too! People of all kinds have a certain tendency to dehumanize individuals who they view as "enemies" as a means to avoid having to deal with empathy, especially when working a high-stress job like a guard or soldier. Mind you, it's absolutely disgusting, but certainly not a male-only phenomenon.
/r/MensRights25/01/12 03:01 AM
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No problem! I think that they probably just did all men in the prison experiment to simulate a real prison, which is generally single-sex. Obviously, that instance cannot be fully extrapolated, but it really is reflective of human behavior as a whole. Two other women were also high-profile perps in the Abu Gharib case too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Harman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Ambuhl
/r/MensRights25/01/12 02:40 AM
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Did you forget about Abu Ghraib?
/r/MensRights25/01/12 02:13 AM
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HarrietPotter makes a good point about the Stanford Prison Experiment, but here's another example you're probably familiar with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynndie_England
/r/MensRights25/01/12 02:12 AM
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Something can be both shitty and necessary. Most cancer patients probably regard chemo as both, for instance. My point is that I can sympathize with actual victims on the stand who endure that sort of questioning. I can see how it could add to their trauma.
/r/MensRights24/01/12 07:18 AM
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Women may be on the "group level" weaker than men, but that doesn't mean that a woman is incapable of being strong enough to serve militarily. I don't think we can completely ignore traditional survival pressures, but we live in a very different world now. Women are much less likely to die in childbirth, and child and infant mortality are also far lower, and obtaining food is now much easier. We're lightyears away from world peace, but we're also a lot less tribalistic than we once were. As you …
/r/MensRights24/01/12 07:01 AM
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With the understanding that these terms reflect perspective, not harm, why can't it be both? It simultaneously perpetuates the idea that men are disposable and that women are weak. Obviously, with regards to harm, it's much worse for men, though. I wholly reject the whole "women are the primary victims of war" claim, especially considering that there are also a ton of male non-combatants in war too.
/r/MensRights24/01/12 04:56 AM
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An interesting and related concept is the Just-World Hypothesis.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 11:37 PM
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While I think it should be down the list in priorities (and I say that as a guy with piercings), I do think it absolutely is. Another related form is hair-length requirements, and my school tolerated girls wearing nose studs too, yet guys weren't allowed any piercings whatsoever, and our hair had to be above the collar of our uniform shirts.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 10:41 PM
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There often isn't one, just as a life jacket isn't really going to help you in a bathtub. That doesn't change the fact that people will try to find ways to explain why something horrible happened, rape or not. See the "Just World Hypothesis" for a more general examination of this trend.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:53 PM
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I think it's probably fair to say that being raped is worse than being mugged. I'd say in most cases, including mine, that this is certainly true. I just hate when people use examples of people who have it worse to argue that your pain is invalid (and you seemingly are with me there). I'm sorry for your troubles. As they say, this too shall pass. Thanks, and it mostly has. This was actually almost two years ago, and the only real lasting effect is I get really anxious if I'm alone in an unsafe l…
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:38 PM
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the defense will probably try to argue This is a good point to bring up. Some of the biggest "victim blamers" are defense attorneys, whose job is pretty much to undermine the victim's case. It's shitty, but it's not unexpected. I agree with the rest of what you said though too, of course!
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:35 PM
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In an example of this related to other MRM issues, my uncle was screwed over by the family courts after he lost his job in the recession. The judge said he was willfully unemployed, even though he'd primarily worked in the real estate industry, which was hit particularly hard.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:33 PM
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Well, to give her(?) some credit, she actually is correct, but I'm still completely understanding of your hostility. Not only is she an SRS poster, but look at her username! I also curiously checked out her recent posting history, and, as a software engineer, this post really offended me. The computer science sector is actually mostly great people who are welcoming of others of all walks of life. For instance, Google is routinely rated among the best places for both women and LGBT people to work…
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:27 PM
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The reverse is true ("trees" predates "ents"). See my response to hardwarequestions.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:12 PM
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"Trees" is just a more common slang term, because the actual buds look a lot like trees. The point isn't exactly scientific accuracy, and a lot of regular smokers will be familiar with the term "trees." "Christmas trees" is also sometimes more specifically used, since the trichomes (little red hairs) look kind of like garlands, and the crystals look kind of like flocking.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:11 PM
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They will also categorically ignore the physical and mental impact that men face from muggings. I can't agree with you enough here. For me, that was far, far worse than what was ultimately a fairly minor loss of assets, since I don't carry much cash, and I had recently broken my smartphone and was temporarily using a very low-end prepaid phone. The whole experience was emotionally traumatizing, and he pistol-whipped me in the head hard as he ran off, to the point that, by the time I was able to …
/r/MensRights23/01/12 07:40 PM
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Wow, it's basically what SRS should be if they actually were what they claim to be. Thanks for the link.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 08:47 AM
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That place really bothers me. I know it's supposed to be somewhat ridiculous and circlejerk-y, but the fact that they basically act as an ongoing downvote brigade breaches reddiquette, and it really is pretty disgusting how shamelessly anti-male and anti-white a lot of the people there are, despite calling out people for other forms of bigotry. EDIT: I just got banned from SRS myself, and it, if anything, feels like a badge of honor. The mod even referenced this very comment. Link: http://www.re…
/r/MensRights23/01/12 05:54 AM
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Still, the amount of cognitive dissonance needed to not notice some of these blaring double standards is impressive.
/r/MensRights23/01/12 05:33 AM
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Agreed completely. The thing that bothers me most about that phenomenon is it's ironically sexist against women. Much of the female privilege is even ardently defended by feminists. One of my favorite moments from college was when a female classmate stood up and called out the date rape lecturer in my required freshman health class that had 100+ students. The lecturer, from the women's studies department, said that even if a man and woman both get drunk and have sex, then the man has committed d…
/r/MensRights23/01/12 02:36 AM
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Wow, very well said. This articulated a lot of feelings I had about the subject I had never put into concrete terms. Great contribution, thanks!
/r/MensRights23/01/12 02:11 AM
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"men are more genetically predisposed to violence and criminal behavior than women". If that's true, it's greatly and disingenuously exaggerated to a ridiculous degree. Here are some things to consider: women, on average, get much lighter sentences than men for the same crimes women more often get acquitted in trials with no material evidence women are more likely to not even be prosecuted at all (most female DV perps won't ever face charges, for instance) most gangs are only open to male member…
/r/MensRights23/01/12 02:03 AM
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I think that's certainly true to some extent. One problem common among the "PC" types is they don't separate trends from individuals. Individuals commit crimes, not demographics. Also, growing up in a lower middle class family but going to an expensive private school (on scholarship), I met so many women who were way more privileged than I ever was. I knew a girl who got three new cars in high school (after wrecking the first two), when, 6 years later, I've still never owned a car less than 12 y…
/r/MensRights23/01/12 01:49 AM
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Right, I think that's the reason why people who view the issue superficially come to the reverse conclusions, but not appreciating that teenagers do all sorts of things without thinking through the consequences. A lot of teenage boys probably also want to cut class, do drugs, etc. That doesn't mean that they won't regret those decisions later. (Note: I'm still for legalizing soft drugs for people 18+ and decriminalizing hard drugs.)
/r/MensRights22/01/12 07:06 PM
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Once again, you're pulling a "No true Scotsman," in addition to simply getting some facts wrong. GMP is absolutely not about dismantling the MRM, stated or otherwise, and their articles clearly reflect that. What you seem to dislike is any perspective which doesn't wholly reject feminism and related concepts (like the kyrarchy). This is silly. Feminism is polluted by a number of vocal misandrists who have caused a lot of harm, yes, but that doesn't mean we should completely reject anything that'…
/r/MensRights22/01/12 06:23 PM
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Agreed. It's an extension of the very flawed idea that the boys always did understand and want the sex, and the girls never do. The reality is a mix of the two, of course. Age of consent laws exist just as much to protect naive boys as it does naive girls. These sorts of double standards are wrong.
/r/MensRights21/01/12 11:55 PM
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One of Good Men Project's articles from just yesterday was about the existence of female privilege and how gender roles both hurt and help both genders. MRA blogs also don't have a monopoly on what it means to be an MRA anyway. I support almost every position of the MRM I've encountered, so even if my underlying philosophy is different than some people's here, my goals are the still the same.
/r/MensRights21/01/12 11:40 PM
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Right, I think it's easy for people today to regard gender roles as purely oppressive, because we now live in a society much, much safer than the one that existed at the dawn of civilization. For instance, during early human history, over 75% of people would die before even reaching sexual maturity, and the vast majority of people wouldn't make it past their mid-30s. This meant that women spent a much, much larger percentage of their lives pregnant, which undeniably interferes with one's ability…
/r/MensRights21/01/12 09:41 PM
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No true Scotsman.
/r/MensRights21/01/12 09:19 PM
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Oh, of course. I think a lot of our problems are actually a part of that sort of self-sustaining cycle. Regardless, the perception that gender roles are dictated from upon high from the evil "Patriarchy" is both wrong and holds back proper discussions and solutions about these issues.
/r/MensRights21/01/12 08:09 PM
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Right, in other words, the "lowercase-p patriarchy" that does exist is a product of, not the creator of gender roles (which, in turn, as you said, grew out of evolutionary processes during a time when biological differences mattered more).
/r/MensRights21/01/12 07:56 PM
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I find it laughably ironic when people fall back on this trope, because it's so divorced from the reality of my situation and doesn't touch upon my motives at all. I'm in a two-and-a-half year relationship with a beautiful and wonderful woman, and my motivations are more direct (I've been falsely charged with DV, had an uncle royally screwed by the family courts, and hate being treated like a pedophile because I'm good with kids.)
/r/MensRights21/01/12 07:34 PM
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Exactly. It ignores the fact that many women are also sexist, even against other women (just as how many men are sexist against fellow men). A lot of the advantages ascribed to being white or male really have a lot more to do with wealth, anyway. I grew up in a lower middle class family and I missed out on a lot of the supposed "white male" privilege, whereas many of my peers got preferential treatment through outreach programs for women and minorities.
/r/MensRights21/01/12 07:23 PM
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I hate the concept that only men OR women can be "privileged." Heteronormativity portrays women as weak and men as strong. Ideologically it might be sexist towards women, but pragmatically it harms both. Preaching men as strong creates both fear and respect, and that fear can be more damaging for some than benefit gained, especially outside the upper class. On that note, I think a lot of what is described as "white" or "male" privilege is really just rich privilege that most of us will never kno…
/r/MensRights21/01/12 07:15 PM
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It's like how, while I don't judge women for sleeping around, there's a reason that a guy who can sleep around is often praised -- it's much more difficult. If life were a video game with points, sleeping with a man would get you substantially less points than sleeping with a woman.
/r/MensRights18/01/12 01:06 AM
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The internet is a pretty hostile environment for some discussions, which results in a more heavy handed moderation style than may be strictly necessary. That's a good perspective behind some of the motives, though I've encountered it outside the internet several times too, but, to be fair, not with the phrase, "check your privilege." I've had to clarify for women I know who in fields like tech and medicine that they don't make a quarter less on the dollar than their male colleagues and have gott…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 09:08 AM
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You can see it as both or neither's fault (as both had a hand in developing society), but I think those of us who are informed know it isn't just men or women's fault.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 08:51 AM
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A lot of my problem with it stems from the fact it is routinely abused to dismiss legitimate, informed positions that might challenge particular ungrounded or skewed assumptions that someone with experience might claim, at least my experience. Like I see it used to dismiss people trying to point out the fact that personal female choice is a significant factor in (but by no means wholly responsible for) perpetuating the wage gap.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 08:44 AM
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they don't really substitute for one another. Which is why both are relevant in terms of giving someone perspective on a given subject. if they were expected to entertain every opinion that was offered There's a fine line between that and outright close mindedness, though, and I hate that it both implies irrelevancy of opinion and is often used to deflect against conflicting valid conflicting opinions. The specific difficulty with privilege is that a big part of it is the expectation that your p…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 08:23 AM
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"Check your privilege" is more about common experience than common knowledge That's the thing -- that implies that experience is valid in a way that knowledge is not. I'll admit that there're people without any real legitimate perspective to offer on either count, though. However, having knowledge and power are like being able to see a close-up and a wide-angle photo of a particular subject, as each can provide insights that the other might not. The person who experiences racism "close up" might…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 08:00 AM
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Interesting points to consider. Clearly there's a lot of factors at play and people lacking certain facts all around. I'll agree with you I'm potentially overestimating these factors. I think we can agree that men have a much tougher time, legally and socially, becoming a stay at home dad than a woman in the workplace. Completely. I'd say we can define the problem on a more general level: women in traditionally male roles and environments are regarded by most as bold and praise-worthy, while men…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 07:39 AM
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What makes you think any of that is against women. I think it is much rarer than a lot of feminists would make you believe, but I wouldn't be surprised if, with men still having an edge in management positions, there have been at least a few incidences of sexist men say, selecting a less qualified man for a promotion over a woman. I doubt that is a very common occurrence, though, because it's bad business. Also, it's a reason why free markets help women, because it will ensure companies are pres…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 07:00 AM
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What you're touching upon is really a symptom of people who are stuck on overly traditional and heteronormative gender roles, which are pretty much bullshit for everyone. Men and women both get their fair share of pros and cons, but the importance of them varies so wildly from person to person that it winds up pretty bad overall for people who don't fit a certain mold. I think it's fair to consider from both a men's rights and a women's rights perspective, because it's relevant to both movements…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 06:47 AM
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You're skewing my intent completely and blatantly. When you say that you're more well-read and well-educated, you are implying that you are somehow superior No, I'm saying my opinion isn't irrelevant, because first-hand experience isn't the only way to come to know stuff about a topic. You can be a victim of racism, you can witness racism, and you can read about racism. All of those will help contribute to your understanding of it, and none of them are guaranteed to give you a complete perspecti…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 06:21 AM
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I could maybe compromise at using "the majority" instead. I'm willing to ascribe some of it to women being pressured into under/unemployment, for whatever reason, as well as limited institutional sexism. But regardless, the point is a big reason women earn less is a lot of them have less pressure and/or reason to earn.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 06:07 AM
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Whoops, my bad, should've proofread better. Thanks for pointing it out.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 05:49 AM
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You make things sound very black & white Actually, I'm arguing in favor of a gray, in that I don't generalize that we can know who has the right answer simply due to their demographic. That's the point of rational discourse. racist/sexist I have displayed neither of those traits and those who know me generally describe me as quite the opposite. Your biggest problem is that you think you (or those like you) are the only one capable of rational discourse Not at all. I'm wrong about stuff plenty, a…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 05:47 AM
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The people who are telling me to "check my privilege" aren't anywhere analogous to Hawking's in their fields, and people who over-rely on personal experiences are perhaps quite the opposite, in that they might draw the incorrect conclusions from them. Hawking looks at all of the data and ponders all relevant possibilities. The people who most often use the phrase fail on both of those counts.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 05:16 AM
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That's absolutely not true at all, because the facts don't always match conclusions people draw from what they know, especially with anecdotal evidence. What matters is rational discourse is who's right, not who has it harder.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 05:10 AM
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I disagree that you have to experience something first-hand to have relative experience or knowledge about a subject. That might make you more likely to be missing something in your perspective, but, if you're trying to have a rational argument, the other person should be trying to explain what you're missing. You can come to appreciate things like more horrible prejudice than you personally faced through witnessing it and through studying it. You don't have to be the victim to appreciate the pr…
/r/MensRights16/01/12 04:33 AM
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I'm not offended by the notion of privilege, just that it makes my input less valid.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 04:16 AM
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Right, it's all about how it's most often used, as an ad hominem attack, since it's an easy to abuse response to an argue you can't beat. "You are in group x, so you your opinion doesn't matter."
/r/MensRights16/01/12 02:19 AM
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I think you're certainly right about current trends to a great extent, though having frequented this place for awhile, I think it used to be a bit worse. As our readership has grown, our perspective has moderated, since those passionate to get involved in starting communities tend to be more zealous about the subject. People aren't quick to forget, though. That said, there've always been a lot of great and sensible people here.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 01:41 AM
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So you're making the even more laughable point that there are both fickle and absolutist MRAs (not that individuals are both)? You might as well be trying to criticize feminists for being misandrists and in favor of equality. All movements contain a diversity of opinion, and the "frothing at the slash" types are usually downvoted unless raging about recent misandry, as it's understood that this is a safe space for venting about that.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 01:10 AM
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Some radical feminists' fault, some traditionalist women's fault, some white knight men's fault, etc. We need to divorce ourselves from this idea that all of feminism is the source of all of our problems. Some feminists are responsible for some of our problems, but many feminists are potential allies if you are able to rationally explain to them where men face discrimination and other sorts of institutional unfairness. For every man-hater self-described feminist, there's another who really does …
/r/MensRights16/01/12 01:05 AM
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Whoosh right back at you. "/s" means the preceding message was sarcasm. I'm the antithesis of an absolutist. People of both genders are all over the map in how sexist they are, and it's not either gender's fault that sexism against men is present. People are people more than they are their demographics, and people tend to have all sorts of positive and negative prejudices against people based off of the most meaningless of things.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 01:01 AM
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Right, because saying one utterly slanted prejudice is bullshit means I support it's polar opposite... /s
/r/MensRights16/01/12 12:42 AM
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No, a good amount of it is men's fault. It's subsets of each group causing the problems. With men, these are called "white knights," who tend to view most women as being innocent, meek, and in need of protection, and most other men as predatorial and morally inferior. Their view of gender roles, as the term suggests, is almost reminiscent of a goddamn fairy tale. We discuss them plenty here.
/r/MensRights16/01/12 12:36 AM
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Oh, wow. Big mistake there on my part. If you want to ask what I'm smoking, a friend did come by earlier with some weed, haha.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 11:48 PM
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I completely get what you're coming from in a strict sense of the term, but a big part of it is sort of "defensive" action -- protecting things like abortion rights (and I support paternal rights/responsibilities surrender as a men's alternative), access to contraception, maintaining the legitimate organizations in favor of women's justice, support, awareness (i.e. not stuff that perpetuates myths that in sexual and physical abuse, the women are always the victims, the men always the criminals),…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 11:05 PM
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That sort of generalization is about as valid as saying that feminism is all man-haters (which isn't at all true). Don't pretend like the worst people in a movement define it's validity, especially when more mainstream movements get immunity from that.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:59 PM
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It's just much less common, like Christians facing discrimination in the US (despite people like Perry claiming). Of course, it's just as illegitimate and deserves to be criticized when it happens, it's just not like an issue anywhere near men's rights.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:56 PM
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I suppose in some instances it's valid, but it's also a go-to phrase to dismiss things like men's rights outright.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:41 PM
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Don't forget the starving, HIV+ children in Africa! Just as everyone experiences life's challenges everyone to some extent, everyone has some appreciation of life's challenges, and academic and witnessing (but not suffering) things first-hand does provide perspective too. I was the editor-in-chief of my senior yearbook in high school, and that's where we did the whole "Senior Superlatives" thing, so I actually counted the votes (which the faculty sponsor also counted, the idea is he won't meddle…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:38 PM
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Heterosexuality is a unique example, because we're an estimated 89% of the population, so we're the overwhelming majority. Saying we face hardship for that is about as true as Christians like Rick Perry claiming to face hardship for their religion in the US. Women get lumped in with minorities, but they're technically a majority. Whites may be a majority, but other races have a significant presence. Also, both have also made much more strides in their civil rights pushes than gays, and so the cr…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:15 PM
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Oh, I agree completely. My father was an uninvolved, functional alcoholic through my childhood and absent altogether my teenage years because he ran off with another woman; I've been diagnosed with moderate anxiety, fibromyalgia, migraines, and IBS; I've been mugged (with nothing in my wallet) and robbed for over $2,000 worth of stuff twice... I could go on. The point is that I think a lot of people forget that, as awesome is life is, shitty stuff happens to most people. Some people might have i…
/r/MensRights15/01/12 10:06 PM
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There are always plenty of anti-MRM lurkers afoot.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 06:07 AM
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Eh, it's still ridiculous, just not as ridiculous. I also don't think these are going after violent rape, more the whole date rape-type stuff. Regardless, they still suck.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:25 PM
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Tennis – men forced to play best of 5 sets where as women play best of 3 Boxing – men must fight 12x3 minute rounds, women, only 10x2 I thought those were the weakest. Men's and women's sports often have different rules for good reason (the average woman is physically weaker, since testosterone boosts muscle growth), and, if anything, this is sexist towards women, since it implies they can handle less. Men get more in this instance.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:26 AM
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I dislike these ads for perpetuating the absolutely false concept that men are always the perpetrators and women are always the victims, but... it's not like someone who's gonna assault somebody is really going to be swayed by a picture and some words You're clearly missing their intent completely. The idea is not to sway the rapist themselves, but people who can intervene in these circumstances, like, say, other guys at a party.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 06:19 AM
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Also, Keanu is known to quite often buy lunch for the "regulars" on set of his movies and do other gender-blind gestures of kindness. He's just the kind of person who tries to be genuinely helpful.
/r/MensRights14/01/12 02:18 AM
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I don't think we should criticize chivalry when it happens, though, just criticize expectations that it be there. Keanu is an exceptionally nice guy.
/r/MensRights13/01/12 02:26 PM
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They're somewhat uncommon, and judges have also been known to toss them out the window when they're deemed "unfair" to one party (usually the woman).
/r/MensRights02/01/12 12:42 AM
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Right, I'm really just being a bit pedantic. I'm with you 100%. One of the biggest obstacles to widespread acceptance of the MRM is our tendency to come off a bit brash and angry at times. Sometimes people here like to point out that feminists are a lot less scrutinized for similar behavior, but it's not like simply appreciating that fact will change it. We have to work on our PR.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 07:05 PM
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While I agree with you, there was privacy intrusion (he broke into the girl's room while she was in there), and he was older and had an extensive (non-sex crime-related) criminal history.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 06:55 PM
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While I agree with your point, that oft-quoted metaphor is actually untrue. Flies much prefer vinegar, especially fruit flies. Vinegar is the absolute best common household ingredient to use as fruit fly bait.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 06:48 PM
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You're, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I actually find SVU to be very intellectually stimulating, absolutely light years ahead of all of the reality junk and inane sitcoms.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 06:04 PM
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Haven't seen that one yet, but I'll keep an eye out for it. On a similar note, though, I just watched yet another MRA-relevant one. The main criminal is a teenage boy, but we find out that he was psychologically damaged because he was molested by a woman when he was younger.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 05:40 PM
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If you have Hulu Plus, you can watch the whole show on Hulu too!
/r/MensRights31/12/11 03:09 PM
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Just watched yet another episode of note. A domestic violence counselor with a grudge against sexually coercive men wound up, toward the end of the episode, stabbing a guy who was scummy but had committed no actual crimes (he just had fathered children with dozens of women) with a wasp knife.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 11:58 AM
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Just watched another one that dealt with a false accusation. A black guy broke and entered a girl's apartment, and her racist father convinced her to accuse him of rape to screw him over more. The guy had priors and wound up getting 15 to life for the breaking and entering, but it ended with them arresting the girl for the false accusation!
/r/MensRights31/12/11 10:34 AM
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I'll watch it. The episode that particularly triggered this was called "Totem" (12x20), and it involved both a woman abuser and a woman rapist/murder, though it was implied the latter would be able to make an insanity plea.
/r/MensRights31/12/11 09:02 AM
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In some ways, he reminds me of Louis C.K., though with a bit less humor and a bit more sociopolitical activism.
/r/MensRights28/12/11 05:46 AM
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Also, his relevance, aside from his death, was minimal in 2011, since his role at Apple was diminished in the wake of his health problems.
/r/MensRights18/12/11 06:33 AM
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Coincidentally, one of her picks, Hillary Clinton, thinks that women are the primary victims of war, since they are the ones who actually have to deal with all of the loss of life, trivializing how horrible wartime experiences are, regardless of whether or not they die a violent, painful death thousands of miles away from loved ones.
/r/MensRights18/12/11 01:39 AM
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The victim complex of the feminist blogosphere and academia is absurd. Barack Obama won it in 2009 for doing precisely fuck-all. The worst part is he clearly doesn't deserve it now. He's proved to be somewhat warhawkish.
/r/MensRights18/12/11 01:26 AM
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Contrary to popular opinion, the "award" isn't meant to be honorific or commendatory in any way, it's simply meant to reflect the most influential person in that given year. Putin and Hitler have gotten the award in the past. Her selection of women seems to be people she feels have fought for good causes or endured hardships, but they didn't have the level of worldwide influence as a lot of people had, which is what the title is really measuring.
/r/MensRights18/12/11 01:03 AM
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In college, I once had a girl conspire to get me as drunk as possible, to the point of getting a mutual friend who was arranging a party to give me a start time an hour too early, so he could pressure me into pregaming with shots with him. Ironically, I wound up not sleeping with her primarily because, in the university's eyes, I would be the rapist. They maintain that, if both parties are drunk, the man has committed rape. On a related note, one of my favorite in-class moments in college was wh…
/r/MensRights17/12/11 10:45 PM
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"This removes a woman's ability to find a better father for her children after recognizing that their biological father is ill-equipped to provide for them."
/r/MensRights17/12/11 04:02 AM
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Oh, wow. I live in Atlanta and wasn't aware. As the busiest airport in the country (as it our only one, unlike NYC), I guess a lot of crime enters the equation.
/r/MensRights12/12/11 08:41 AM
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Regulations should be designed to keep that shit out of licensed, legal operations. Both of those articles show that both countries give a slap on the wrist to sex traffickers, with most in Germany not even getting jail time. Also, plenty of other top destinations from human trafficking haven't legalized prostitution.
/r/MensRights12/12/11 02:33 AM
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Hopefully, legalizing it would take it off the black market, allow for some reasonable regulation, and there would be fewer people doing it unwillingly and those who do it can be safer.
/r/MensRights11/12/11 08:57 PM
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As awful as all of that is, it still doesn't change morlidar's original point. In a general context, it's worse that society has those prejudices towards men as a group, but in the context of trying to get a potential ally to the MRM to listen, it's a lot more about how you, the individual, are perceived. Do what you will, but I suggest avoiding giving people a reason to dismiss you in public fora.
/r/MensRights10/12/11 08:38 PM
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I've been bitched out face-to-face once before for it. Didn't stop me at all, though. I told her the truth -- I hold doors open for anyone, because it's a small and easy way to help other people, so why not do it?
/r/MensRights10/12/11 03:01 PM
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I would also say the exact same is true of women's magazines and daughters. Of course, there's the double-standard where women are the victims with regards to their magazines, but the content of men's magazines is held against us?
/r/MensRights10/12/11 09:08 AM
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I agree, but will you be percieved as a misogynist for calling someone a cunt? That's more morildar's concern, I think.
/r/MensRights10/12/11 08:59 AM
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How is appreciation of a fairly obvious fact "deep"?
/r/MensRights07/12/11 05:48 AM
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I have a fourth theory: a lot of men recognize the police and justice system are prejudiced against men, and even simply defending himself could be enough for him to wind up being the one in handcuffs.
/r/MensRights07/12/11 01:15 AM
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Maybe he recognized that, with the inherent anti-male bias in the police assessment of violence, he could have easily wound up being the one arrested, despite just trying to defend himself.
/r/MensRights07/12/11 01:13 AM
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The BBC has a bit more journalistic integrity than most American news sources. I'm happy to see this, but I'm also not especially surprised.
/r/MensRights28/11/11 01:13 PM
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Don't you think it's extremely intellectually dishonest how so many feminists will argue against gender determinism when applied to women but perpetuate the male equivalents of those beliefs?
/r/MensRights27/11/11 03:13 AM
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One explanation may be some version of the sociological phenomenon known as the bystander effect: the idea that the larger the numbers of bystanders, the less the likelihood someone will step forward to help a victim. In short, no one handles it because everyone assumes someone else will. A more straightforward explanation might be simply that Sandusky was just another member of an Old Boys Club that always protects its members. So it's more straightforward that, rather than this being a well un…
/r/MensRights19/11/11 05:53 PM
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I don't think that it's wrong to consider the Suffragists the "foremothers," if you will, of feminism, considering they opened the door for women's rights advocacy. I do think, as you imply, that they would be appalled with modern feminism, though, especially their glorification of victimhood.
/r/MensRights18/11/11 08:01 PM
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There was a time when women did face inequality on an institutional level, you know. The 19th amendment wouldn't have happened without the rise of first-wave feminism. The problem with feminism now is a continuing delusion that there are still issues that can be tackled with laws and legislation combined with fighting anything that removes female privilege.
/r/MensRights18/11/11 07:20 PM
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I agree that it's a huge problem overall, but that's not universally true. Look at people like Wendy McElroy, who has criticized the rampant misandry in the feminist movement (despite describing herself as such). Still, mostly agreed.
/r/MensRights07/11/11 11:34 AM
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Doesn't mean that, overall, he's not still a pretty mediocre candidate.
/r/MensRights01/11/11 02:35 AM
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-1,559 comment karma? Obvious troll is obvious.
/r/MensRights21/10/11 02:57 PM
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I've always found this to be, contrary to feminist rhetoric, an internal gender thing. I don't think it's absolutely clear cut like this, but a lot of women judge other women who sleep around as sluts, and a lot of men congratulate other men who sleep around.
/r/MensRights30/09/11 01:13 AM
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Yeah, it's more easily understandable that way anyway. Really, it just gave me a chuckle more than anything.
/r/MensRights28/09/11 06:39 PM
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HuffPo is basically the left's FOX News.
/r/MensRights28/09/11 06:36 PM
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I know I'm being pedantic, but shouldn't that be GBT men? I don't know any lesbian men...
/r/MensRights28/09/11 06:26 PM
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Which is just as insulting to women as to men, really. This is true of many feminist positions, such as that women are less accountable for their actions when drunk.
/r/MensRights25/09/11 10:40 AM
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I worked at a summer camp for younger kids one year, where the majority of the staff was women. They generally let the kids do things like hug them, sit in their laps, etc. All male staff members were explicitly forbidden from doing so. What was worse was the kids had no appreciation of that rule, and I got warned a few times for it, despite not really being able to do anything about it, as the kids would routinely run up to me and hug me out of the blue. Ironically, we were paired up with anoth…
/r/MensRights22/09/11 11:25 PM
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That's exactly what I meant, I just wasn't using the technical distinction between sex and gender because that becomes confusing (for others, for the record, sex is technically your biological status and gender is your mental status). I'm by no means an expert on the subject, but wasn't there some big feminist convention or festival recently that was explicitly limited to cisgender women? I don't think it's an issue of which "wave" it is, though, but rather how radical the feminists in question …
/r/MensRights15/09/11 09:34 PM
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Agreed in the context of this article, but the radical feminist block has a long history of being anti-trans. They want to portray gender as nothing more than a social construct, so the concept of someone with a mind and body whose gender don't match kind of throws a wrench in that idea.
/r/MensRights15/09/11 08:30 PM
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I don't think you have to be a "gender centrist," as you say, because it's not a zero-sum game. Becoming more MRA doesn't make you less feminist or vice-versa, contrary to what the more impassioned members of either side will tell you. You have the important part down, it seems -- an open mind. You're showing interest in both MRM issues and trans issues, which are still ignored by the majority of people, and you're straying away from the stereotype of MRAs as being misogynistic and resistant to …
/r/MensRights08/09/11 09:31 AM
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This happened to me with /r/rights4men, despite me being passionately pro-MRA. These fringe MRA subreddits are just a bit over-Orwellian.
/r/MensRights17/08/11 05:34 PM
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Exactly. I'm normally one of the first to get behind Men's Rights causes, but look at it this way: Smart children are statistically more likely to have smart parents. Smart parents are statistically less likely to be divorced. Non-divorced fathers spend a lot more time, on average, with their kids. Therefore, smart children are more likely to have present fathers, not the other way around. EDIT: And to be clear, I think that it's of absolute importance that children spend a lot of time with thei…
/r/MensRights04/08/11 11:23 PM
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There's a chart that gets reposted around here a lot that compares these sorts of things between men and women, and under the men column is "You're fucked!" over and over. Personally, I care more about the person than where they are in life. My girlfriend doesn't have a car and lived with her parents before moving in with me, but these aren't the sort of things I stress over.
/r/MensRights02/08/11 05:31 PM
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Agreed, as long as (and I know you agree) they are not obligated to support children they don't want and make that absolutely clear soon after finding out they'll become a father.
/r/MensRights30/07/11 12:26 AM
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The only person in my real life who has criticized me for being an MRA is male.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 11:55 PM
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I figured but just wanted to expound upon it.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 04:48 AM
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While I'm glad that they state it explicitly for the reasons you list, it's still horrible that it's even necessary.
/r/MensRights28/07/11 02:00 PM
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I hate the phrase "<insert religion> baby." Every baby is an apatheist until at least a couple of years old.
/r/MensRights28/07/11 07:42 AM
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I'm actually happy with the caliber of the comments there, though obviously the article is misguided.
/r/MensRights28/07/11 06:31 AM
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What?! A higher standard of proof would violate Title IX? Bullshit! The reverse is true. The proponderance of evidence standard is what violates Title IX, since it, when put into practice, essentially removes all of the women's accountability while intoxicated while similarly not extending that benefit to men.
/r/MensRights22/07/11 12:41 AM
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Because the wage gap is caused by differing levels of qualification (due to women being more likely to go through long periods of unemployment) and more unwillingness to work overly dangerous, physically laborious, or technical jobs. In short, the wage gap is because of personal choices of women and not systemic discrimination.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:39 AM
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So much for the oft-repeated lie that all MRAs need is more feminism, if they won't even accept us.
/r/MensRights18/07/11 09:39 PM
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With the school board, it's not at all uncommon for something like this to lead to an expulsion without much chance for appeal. Campuses tend to have very Draconian policies when it comes to this. In our mandatory freshman Health 101 class, we had a guest speaker fairly early on who detailed the university's policy on date rape, which was pretty no-nonsense, with the explicit point that, if a man and a woman are both drunk, it can still be considered date rape -- perpetrated by the man only. I w…
/r/MensRights18/07/11 10:51 AM
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I'm completely against the War on Drugs. The government shouldn't have a right to tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies, and all prohibition does is fund gangs via black market sales. It doesn't fix anything either. People who want to do drugs still do.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 08:53 PM
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I hate this sentiment. Even ignoring that often erections are unwanted and uncontrolled, the most common form of male-victimed rape is anal penetration.
/r/MensRights12/06/11 02:20 PM
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Had a similar thing happen to me in a mall. Bitched out the mom for being a bad parent for not keeping up with her son and got the hell out of there as she went to, I kid you not, get mall security.
/r/MensRights12/06/11 02:11 AM
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Agreed, feminists have eroded male-only establishments, but I don't think the solution is to push the same on female-only ones. Let business owners decide rules for themselves, and any time a feminist complaints about a male-only establishment, point them to the nearest Curves, etc.
/r/MensRights11/06/11 12:58 PM
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Yup, I'm pretty firmly in the libertarian camp. Notice too that it has often been government meddling to appease the feminists that have created MRM issues. I'm definitely for consistency -- consistency that both men- and women-only institutions should be allowed to operate. The similar race issue tends to disturb a lot of people at face value, but I wouldn't want to support racist business owners (and I'm white) and in many smaller towns there are businesses that are hostile to minorities, they…
/r/MensRights11/06/11 06:44 AM
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The real argument is whether or not the government has a right to regulate who a business can serve. For me, that's all that matters. I certainly want equality, but over-legislation rarely solves problem and, in fact, often creates them.
/r/MensRights11/06/11 06:40 AM
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Because private businesses should be able to set their own rules. In every other instance, I'm right behind the principles of the MRM, but honestly, I think women-only businesses should be legal.
/r/MensRights11/06/11 04:45 AM
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But they're oh so much more entertaining (when fictional), like when Sibyl got a wish from Apollo, she grasped a hand of sand, and asked for as many years of life as grains of sand were in her hand. Of course, she forgot to ask for the eternal youth to boot...
/r/MensRights08/06/11 06:34 AM
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I do disagree. Someone who is truly concerned with self-defense probably isn't going to do something as deliberate as sever a man's penis. If he's found guilty, I would be willing to chock it up to her emotional state, but honestly, it's not something that comes across as self-defense to me at all.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 02:40 PM
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...so you're already assuming he's guilty anyway, so your little "strike" tally doesn't even matter.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 10:48 AM
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thats a strike against him as far as im concerned, with none to the woman Yeah, because cutting off someone's dick isn't a strike... /s
/r/MensRights31/05/11 08:05 AM
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Let's just throw all the unstable girls in jail and forget about'em before they get us all, amirite guys? It's not about instability, it's about the fact that willful false accusation of a crime is itself a crime. Period.
/r/MensRights27/05/11 03:11 AM
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Wow, I'm surprised that mine are still up. Perhaps it's because I pointed out something that often goes unmentioned in the feminist camp -- "financial abortions" (for lack of a better term) actually help advance the cause of women's autonomy over their own bodies, since they can't be guilted into having an abortion they don't want by the father.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 06:21 PM
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Right, I was just saying I think the downvoters may be acting out of the sentiments I expressed above though, once again, I did not vote either way.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 12:40 PM
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I didn't vote either way, but I think it's a bit naive to assume the above will happen, and the founder remarks that it was a little "evil" to do what she did... and what evil is there to selling truly abandoned stuff? This sounds like a magnet for vengeful ex-'s.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 11:53 AM
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Or he would be arrested for theft.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 10:14 AM
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As an atheist, libertarian MRA who's been mistreated by the police for no good reason who also is an Alan Moore fan, I can't upvote you enough for that reference. EDIT: And to be clear, I know it's truly referencing a Juvenal quote, but the connections to Watchmen are self-evident.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 06:32 AM
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...for some. But respect.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 10:42 AM
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See title: "A Feminist"
/r/MensRights22/05/11 10:39 AM
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It's a shame there's so much stigma involved with it, because too many people miss out. Newsflash: if it's not a penis in there, it's not gay.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 10:25 AM
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Eh, I hear mammograms hurt like a bitch. Certainly more fun to think about though, for sure.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 08:21 AM
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Because breast cancer involves boobs. I agree completely with your sentiments, but that's the reason. You can easily offload a lot of pink-colored products for breast cancer awareness.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 02:11 AM
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Not at all, and, having elected to move 500+ miles away, that means my father clearly elected for the latter. I definitely think child support would be less necessary if custody was handled more fairly, though, because fathers should have more time with their kids to spend money on them directly.
/r/MensRights21/05/11 03:14 AM
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Oh, obviously, I'm just blown away by the scope too. I at least can understand (but do not agree with) a very modest amount of spousal support, but this is just absolutely ludicrous.
/r/MensRights21/05/11 03:06 AM
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Right, part of the "a lot" of changes I would like to see is to see child support more fairly awarded, because it is done so quite improperly now. I've spoken in favor of financial abortion on here plenty of times before. However, both my brother and I were conceived with his full blessing, in wedlock, and I was 13 and my brother 7 when he moved away.
/r/MensRights21/05/11 03:03 AM
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To be clear, the "a lot" of reforms I would want would include the rights of men to "financially abort," etc. I definitely think that child support isn't awarded in a fair fashion in the slightest. However, you're essentially saying that, because my dad had a mid-life crisis, divorced my mom suddenly, and moved halfway across the country, my mom should've put me up for adoption...
/r/MensRights21/05/11 03:01 AM
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Really? I'm as big a Men's Rights supporter as the rest of us, but my parents got divorced, my dad moved halfway across the country, and my mom had been working part-time at his request to make more time to take care of my brother and I, and our quality of life would have been horrible without child support, because she simply did not make nearly enough money and no one could realistically expect her to do so.
/r/MensRights21/05/11 02:08 AM
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Meh, I think we need a lot of reforms to the system. A LOT. However, child support is certainly warranted, as a child shouldn't suffer due to their parents' issues. I agree completely about alimony, though. An adult is never entitled to something like that.
/r/MensRights21/05/11 01:44 AM
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As someone living off of $25k/YEAR, the idea that someone is entitled to almost four times that a MONTH is just absurd to me.
/r/MensRights21/05/11 01:41 AM
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We're in a similar boat, though I've actually dealt with a false accusation of domestic violence from a neighbor claiming I was hurting my girlfriend based on the fact they could hear her crying through a shared wall, because she was trying to pass a kidney stone (and the police broke into my apartment and handcuffed and harassed me, despite my girlfriend pleading with them not do do so). I'm a humanist. I'll support any activism that is merited and therefore support women's rights, but am defin…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 12:30 PM
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Then you can speak up and say just that. That's one reason I'm not afraid to speak up in my personal life -- I have a healthy relationship with an intelligent and reasonably attractive woman who will only have glowing things to say about how I treat her. I'm the antithesis of a misogynist in every real sense and consider myself a "Women's Rights Activist" too, using that term in lieu of wanting to associate myself with the misguided goals of academic feminism.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 12:21 PM
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I worry about you bringing up "social constructs" because that is a favorite of feminists who like to argue that there are no hardwired differences between men and women. Those same women tend to be scornful of transgenders for exactly that reason, however, when transgenderism actually relies on the reverse -- that gender ISN'T a social construct, IS hard-wired, but can mismatch your biological sex.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 12:18 PM
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22, software developer/engineer, and I had pre-existing support for the MRM from being a general humanist and therefore supporting all valid rights movements, but being falsely accused of domestic violence and harassed by the police as a result certainly helped cement things for me. I'm not especially afraid of any backlash, and I've openly identified myself as an MRA on Facebook. Anyone who would criticize me is probably not someone whose respect I want anyway, and I think my rhetoric on this s…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 09:21 AM
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As someone who was falsely accused of domestic violence, a police officer is the last thing I want on a shirt standing against it, because it was the incompetent assfucks in the county PD who twice broke into my apartment without a warrant, took the story of the people in an adjacent apartment over my own girlfriend, forcibly handcuffed me for no reason, and tried to coerce a false confession out of me by making bullshit claims about evidence I knew they couldn't have. The fact it looks like 90s…
/r/MensRights19/05/11 04:30 AM
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http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/2334-busting-the-myth-of-organic-food The conflicting sources all seem to be from, le gasp, pro-organic websites.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 03:42 AM
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Heh, I said nothing health-wise that contradicts with what you claim. Get some fucking organics Why, so I can increase my risk of E. coli, put added strain on the environment, and spend three times as much for products that science can't establish are actually healthier for you? EDIT: There, I switched from bold text to quote blocks with a quick find and replace, though I originally opted not to do so originally, because I think with that much back-and-forth, it's harder to read.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 02:52 AM
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I mostly agree, though I don't think it makes oral contraception a half truth in terms of a female privilege as it certainly broadens their options still. One thing, though, based on my girlfriend's experiences, is that different pills will have different side effects for different women. She recently opted to try a newer kind per her doctor's suggestion, but it was causing irregularities in her menstrual cycle, when she didn't really have problems before. Random side note: one great thing about…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 11:49 AM
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I have seen it and have very mixed feelings about it. His exploration of the failures of the lipid hypothesis interest me far more than criticizing the flaws of Super Size Me with even more disingenuous arguments and methods. So what if you can lose weight eating McDonalds if you crunch the calorie numbers and exercise 5 times a week? You can also get fat off of "healthy" foods if you binge eat and sit on your ass all day. Way to do exactly what Spurlock is trying to convince people to do -- be …
/r/MensRights18/05/11 09:40 AM
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Can you imagine asking a male applicant.. "What's this two-year gap where you weren't employed?" .. "oh I took care of the house in that time"... "uh huh.." Exactly. Hell, I've spent the last year-and-a-half self-employed (but continually actively working) with decent success, and I'm having a hard enough time with that as is. I'm applying for some jobs as a software engineer, and I get people caught up on the fact that I haven't had a boss in awhile, despite the fact I have work on over 20 diff…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 07:17 AM
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The irony, of course, is you could just as easily argue that male privilege is benevolent sexism. I would actually also argue that there's more female privilege than male privilege. Apparently one of the biggest reasons for the continued wage gap is that more women go through periods of working part-time or not at all. I would argue that that's a privilege -- the privilege for it to be socially acceptable to choose to be a more focused parent, which is generally regarded to be a more enriching e…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 07:12 AM
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(stuff about Macho Like Me) Once again, unlike you, I haven't seen the movie so cannot appropriately comment. Perhaps she did take an easy route to her desired goals, but she also picked a group that is probably most responsible for a lot of feminist misconceptions. I really don't have any other comments to make, as you could very well be right based off of your deeper knowledge of the film. But they scientifically backed that shit up. Funny, someone just pointed me to the website for Fat Head, …
/r/MensRights18/05/11 06:55 AM
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Except that guy is even more disingenuous than Spurlock. Take his "No Bologna Facts," for instance: There’s never been a single study that proves saturated fat causes heart disease. But there are plenty that link obesity and heart disease, that link fast food consumption and obesity, and obesity is verifiably on the rise. Saturated fat is only one part of the problem with fast food anyway. As heart-disease rates were skyrocketing in the mid-1900s, consumption of animal fat was going down, not up…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 06:45 AM
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That said, I don't know that the Reddit males are any more or less significant than any other group. I didn't say they were, but you said she wouldn't have said what she had if she hung out with us, and I was making the point that we aren't representative of the male population as a whole. If it ain't science, it's manipulation. That's the exact source of our disagreement. If someone does not claim to be reaching scientific conclusions, I don't hold them to scientific standards, and I'll separat…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 06:11 AM
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First, for clarification, he's not even a vegetarian due to his girlfriend's veganism, he just obviously eats less meat. However, I don't think it's manipulative, because he makes a point of saying just that -- that, due to his girlfriend's being so into health food, he hadn't eaten fast food in awhile and his stomach wasn't used to it. The puking still sends a powerful message, though: why, if you don't eat something for awhile, should it make you sick? Foods very high in saturated fats are som…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 05:08 AM
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I don't think Morgan Spurlock ever did anything disingenuous, just people took the message to the extreme. If you watch the movie, he makes it clear he eats junk food in moderation and places plenty of blame on the people themselves. The only times he really strongly criticizes McDonalds is for doing things like having salads that have more calories than their hamburgers, which is rather shady, considering salads are generally expected to be healthier. I would have to see this movie to comment o…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 04:47 AM
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It's almost as if there's a different "female privilege" that the feminists love to ignore, not appreciating how much society will allow and give simply because you're a woman. Oh wait, it's because there is.
/r/MensRights18/05/11 03:27 AM
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Feminazi? I know Nazi comparisons are overused, but many of these women seem as if they would legitimately go genocidal against men if given the opportunity.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 08:52 AM
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My girlfriend of a year-and-a-half and probable future wife was adopted and doesn't know her biological parents, nor would it matter that much anyway, as, like I said before, I want a companion for life. I know she'll grow old, but hey, that's life. I can either jump from fling to fling or develop a relationship with someone I can truly trust. I won't judge people for choosing the former, but I want the latter.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 08:43 AM
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To be fair, I don't think she looked that great in the before picture. Also, marriage isn't just about being with a hot woman. If you want to always be able to have sex with youthful women, don't get married, that's fine, but I want a companion for life.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:05 AM
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I came here to say, word for word, exactly the same thing.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 08:47 PM
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Doesn't matter what gender perpetrates it, rape is rape.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 05:46 PM
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Normally, I agree with you, but I challenge your first paragraph. This woman has breast cancer and will surely die sometime in the next few months, and this custody case means they'll move away as their mother dies. It's rather sad. I agree completely with your second paragraph, though. EDIT: To clarify, my only real beef was that AnnArchist was saying that her vaginaness was the only reason, which I think is obviously not true.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 04:13 PM
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I don't know if the people making the dress code are literally conscious of that, but I could see that being an underlying mentality and, frankly, it's one of the things that frustrates me about expecting heteronormativity. I'm a straight guy who's felt pressured my whole life to be less expressive/emotional/etc. than I would be naturally, since it's considered effeminate to do so.
/r/MensRights10/05/11 05:11 PM
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Some people may laugh at this (not especially in this subreddit, but in general), but I think this is a hugely important issue. Personal comfort is an important thing when learning, and my high school had a similar problem that was resolved through student petitions (not as dramatic, heh). We had a uniform, and the girls were given the option of wearing skirts during the warmer months, guys were given nothing. Unsurprisingly, the khakis we had to wear were a cheap material that didn't breathe we…
/r/MensRights10/05/11 03:10 PM
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I think you misunderstand how sexism works, buddy.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 04:46 PM
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If you know your girlfriend/wife well enough, you should probably know when they would actually be PMSing and, though it shouldn't at all excuse the behavior, might be a time when you should extend a bit more patience. I agree it's not an excuse for anything, though.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 10:48 PM
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As someone who also considers himself a "women's rights activist" (I dislike the associations conjured by the term "feminist"), glad to see that there are others who realize the gender equality game isn't zero-sum, and we both have complaints to bring to the table.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 12:59 AM
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I respect your right to have that opinion and to express it, but I can't respect the opinion itself, sorry. I'm against prejudice in all of its forms. Also, for all our gender's strengths, we have our weaknesses too.
/r/MensRights25/04/11 02:21 AM
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To clarify, I mean the sane person's definition of misogyny. There's a fine line between actual misogyny and the concept of "misogyny" promoted by radical feminists.
/r/MensRights25/04/11 01:55 AM
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A lot of them try to justify what they shouldn't. I've had a feminist acquaintance react a few times to me posting stuff on Facebook, and though she herself admits the wage gap is mostly due to personal choice, she says you can't fault feminists who want to do whatever it takes to end it... Uh, yes you can. And I do. The ends do not justify the means at all.
/r/MensRights25/04/11 12:18 AM
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Let's also make an effort to call out misogyny. Feminism tolerates misandry, we shouldn't do the same with misogyny.
/r/MensRights24/04/11 08:57 PM
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As I said in F7U12, the best thing you can do in these situations is not give a fuck. Some guy said, when on the actual streets, he would cross the street to put women's minds at ease. Don't do this. This only reinforces the problem. If you have every right to be where you are, to walk where you're walking, then don't sweat it. What's the worst that can happen? Cops can pull quite the bullshit sometimes, but they can't arrest you for occupying the same general space as someone who happens to pos…
/r/MensRights24/04/11 02:29 PM
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You quoted Marx initially, and I used a common term to refer to his flavor of socialism, one that cannot easily be accomplished in Social Libertarianism. That's actually exactly how I'd describe myself, but I wouldn't go around quoting Marx to support my position.
/r/MensRights24/04/11 02:05 AM
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Look up the actual definition of factoid. I hate to be "that guy," but I don't hold it against you, basically 99% of the populace gets it wrong.
/r/MensRights24/04/11 01:47 AM
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Maybe you were trying to make two different points in each of your posts, but Marxism and Socialist Libertarianism are two very different systems.
/r/MensRights24/04/11 01:46 AM
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Feminists primarily, but aren't the only ones, push this idea of socialization I've heard people argue that feminists are often very transphobic. This is probably why.
/r/MensRights09/04/11 03:25 PM
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"her" half. FTFY... even though it unintentionally makes her sound slightly transgendered...
/r/MensRights09/04/11 06:23 AM
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I wish this was the "latest reason," though my anecdote is slightly different: A guy at my high school got kicked out about 8-9 years ago after Julia Corker, eldest daughter of Senator Bob Corker, got drunk at a party and got a ride home from him. Her parents were PISSED she was drunk, so she accused him of coercively getting her drunk. The school kicked him out immediately and never gave him a chance at appeal...
/r/MensRights03/04/11 03:37 AM
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Could you imagine someone saying, "White people don't commit violent crimes," and getting away with it? I agree, the fact that rampant misandry doesn't cause most to raise an eyebrow is very sickening.
/r/MensRights03/04/11 02:18 AM
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Rep. Linda Lawson (D), a former sex-crimes investigator, shot back, "Women don't make this up!" I hate that claim, and I hope that any of you from Indiana will vote against her in the future. I mean, hell, it's not even "suspected" that it happens. The Duke Lacrosse team? HELLLOOOOO?!?!
/r/MensRights03/04/11 01:49 AM
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I'm against this, but I can easily see why you're all so gung-ho. Here're the Cliff Notes of where I'm coming from: I have libertarian problems with the Sex Offender list in general. I think it's overly diluted already with statutory rapists and streakers. I think false accusations should be punished on the same level as sex crimes but aren't sex crimes. The press should actually do its job and make sure the names of these bitches are everywhere associated with their crime.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 12:00 PM
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7 years seems fair, even generous, but I agree that mandatory minimums are usually a recipe for disaster.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 07:00 AM
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I agree. We need harsher penalties, not mandatory sentencing. Crimes aren't black and white.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 06:59 AM
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Thumbs down. Mandatory minimum sentences are never a good thing, because it treats crime as black and white. I'm all for false accusers getting 7+ years, though.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:45 AM
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Women are also far less likely to work overly technical, laborious, and dangerous jobs.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 04:25 AM
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I agree, I'm the kind of person to stand by any group's rights when they're being wronged. Hell, even though I refrain from using the term feminist, there are some bona fide women's rights issues I care about, just not the ones peddled by those who seek to undermine our gender. EDIT: I noticed some downvotes with RES enabled, and I don't care, but I encourage anyone who would downvote on the basis of what I said to re-evaluate their personal philosophy and realize we don't want to be as bad as t…
/r/MensRights27/03/11 12:25 PM
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Actually, in one of the handful of times that it has happened (admittedly, the vocally taking offense thing is fairly uncommon), I was doing just that. She then ran up to me, tapped me on the shoulder, and said (approximately but close), "I think you should know many women find it offensive when men go out of their way to help us." I just said, "I think you should know people find it offensive when you criticize them for being helpful," and walked away.
/r/MensRights23/03/11 12:28 PM
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I've had some women "take offense" to me being a little helpful, but I'm just a helpful person. I'd hold the door or help open it for anyone, guy or girl. Extremist feminism has made it wrong to be nice.
/r/MensRights23/03/11 11:18 AM
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Again, if you think that the person is so drunk that she/he might not remember next day what happened, then you shouldn't be having sex. The problem is that this so often happens when the "rapist" is also similarly intoxicated. Gender means the difference between having zero and total responsibility when you're drunk in a lot of college's eyes.
/r/MensRights20/03/11 07:49 PM
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Additionally, if both parties are too drunk to make a rational decision, I think that blurs the line to the point where automatically presuming rape is not a good idea. From my understanding, that's the norm in these cases, though. We had a speaker in our mandatory freshman health class say and clarify after questions that, in the case of a guy and girl getting drunk together, if they slept together and the girl regretted it, it was rape. I remember it vividly because it was so infuriating it ca…
/r/MensRights20/03/11 07:48 PM
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Two relevant first-hand experiences from college: 1) In our mandatory freshman health class, broken up into classes of 200+, a self-described feminist administrator from the school came out to discuss their policy before a young woman stood up and said (roughly), "I find this offensive as a woman, as it implies I'm less responsible for my actions." The class erupted in applause. 2) I was invited to a small, private frat party that a slutty girl that was into me was attending. The time I got was …
/r/MensRights20/03/11 06:46 PM
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I wonder what she would say to those of us who are Men's Rights and Women's Rights Activists (I stay away from the term Feminist because of those associated with the label).
/r/MensRights19/03/11 06:55 AM
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My theory on this is it's the differences between the sheep and the shepherds, so to speak. A lot of the big-name feminists are misandrists or otherwise really are in favor of female favoritism. These are the shepherds. Then there are the millions of women who slap the feminist label on themselves, wanting to support equal rights, without really appreciating the movement's faults. These are the sheep. So you wind up with many, less vocal feminists who truly do care about bilateral equality but d…
/r/MensRights12/03/11 01:12 PM
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/r/Libertarian subscriber. No worries!
/r/MensRights11/03/11 02:44 AM
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I'd think that they could get away with phone tip-offs as probable cause, unfortunately. The Atlanta justice system isn't known to be kind to DV suspects. I doubt they could get charges to stick without any evidence, but they probably can cover their own asses.
/r/MensRights10/03/11 06:21 PM
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I'll keep those ideas you have in mind (in both posts). I miss my old place, which wasn't a budget apartment complex (rather a decaying but nice old house). The door there had a deadbolt, a chain, and a peephole. Only have the deadbolt here.
/r/MensRights10/03/11 06:03 PM
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I'll keep that in mind in the future. Clearly, asserting your civil liberties and hoping for the best doesn't do much in the United Pseudo-Police State of America.
/r/MensRights10/03/11 06:00 PM
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My upstairs neighbor is a prick, I have a friend who turned into a giant asshole, and her parental Jews are being Jews. I'd rather tell it like it is than try to make it sound more credible... by lying. "So many" people aren't labeling me abusive. The only place she's heard that is the police. No one else would dare try to claim something so ludicrous. I'm a pretty laid back, completely non-violent person who has also only ever supported her emotionally, something that she says I do far better t…
/r/MensRights10/03/11 05:06 PM
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I plan on doing so today. When they showed up the first time, I wrote it off as a fluke. When the letter showed up, I figured it was a typical follow-up for these sorts of situations and didn't think much of it. It wasn't until early this morning that I became really freaked out about everything.
/r/MensRights10/03/11 12:14 PM
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The neighbor really is that bitter about noise. I almost got evicted when I first moved in here due to complaints. However, I'm a night owl and work from home (and mostly set my own hours), so I'm just up late more often than I'm not, and I think he's not used to any noise, but I've made a conscious effort from Day 1 to be reasonable. I always wear headphones when I listen to music at night, and I make an effort to keep the TV low. The guy has SERIOUS anger management issues, though, based on wh…
/r/MensRights10/03/11 10:58 AM
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I consider myself lucky that I'm with a down-to-earth woman who is friendly to men's rights causes more than I consider myself lucky that she wasn't pissed at me! It's disgusting how much the police will harass you with this stuff. The last time, they straight up told her that they didn't care about what she had to say, saying that DV victims always lie, and that they could still arrest me even without her consent. I don't care if someone is being abused, there's something egregiously fucked up …
/r/MensRights10/03/11 10:39 AM
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Good idea about the kidney stone. I definitely need to get more information about these officers. I noticed they started backing off when I started asking for badge numbers. They have to know they're not being lawful -- both times they used force to enter my apartment, after cracking the door and making it clear they were not welcome inside. Both times they tried to coerce me into confessing through intimidation. I have Google Voice, which I believe can record phone calls, so maybe If I can get …
/r/MensRights10/03/11 10:12 AM
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I talked to my girlfriend after the fact (she and I both barely sleep these nights, I'm too used to sharing a bed and getting some action before falling asleep, haha), and she said that her parents had long gone to sleep. I do have an ex-friend from high school who, for no reason that anyone can explain, turned into a total douchebag about a year ago, and has spent some time harassing me (and other former friends) and trying to make my life more difficult since, most people just see through the …
/r/MensRights10/03/11 10:02 AM
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Were your girlfriend's parents Orthodox? There was a story awhile back (I'll find it if you want) about Orthodox Jew parents taking a hit out on their daughter's boyfriend. Any reformed Jew (Conservative or actual Reform) is less likely to take the absolute letter of the Torah seriously, but it does speak very negatively of intermarriages, far more so than any other religion. And numerous lucky coincidences? I feel unlucky as shit. I actually wasn't even watching TV, I was just browsing reddit. …
/r/MensRights10/03/11 09:53 AM
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I'm pretty convinced you're trolling, but, for the record, serious Jews hate their children intermarrying with non-Jews. My girlfriend, who's herself an atheist like myself, once asked her father, straight up, "Would you rather me be with a stupid, abusive guy who happens to be a Jew?" He said yes. Her parents are super religious though. Her mom considers herself Orthodox and her dad Hasidic (even crazier than her mom).
/r/MensRights10/03/11 09:42 AM
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Hmm, let's change around this is a bit: "I don't mind blacks getting a little nervous [over false theft charges], it kind of balances things out." One of the reasons I tell people I support Men's Rights is because, if you were to say that, you'd be labeled a racist in a heartbeat, despite blacks committing a disproportionate number of crimes (a reason I see given for this prejudice against men being okay). If you were to say something similar about women, you'd be labeled as a misogynist. Howeve…
/r/MensRights10/03/11 01:47 AM
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My girlfriend's not as gung ho about stuff as the people here, but she's certainly an ally. There're plenty of women who see through the bullshit, and she recognizes how feminism can sometimes paint women in a bad light, such as DV paranoia to the point of not trusting the women (we have personal experience with this).
/r/MensRights02/03/11 01:43 AM
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FYI, the thing about lefties living profoundly shorter lives is an urban legend. Otherwise, I generally agree with you.
/r/MensRights01/03/11 05:48 PM
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With regards to medical insurance (and medical insurance alone), I'm in favor of them being able to charge women more (as they often do, versus the reverse with car insurance), simply because there's no male equivalent of a gynecologist. I agree the car insurance thing is bullshit, though.
/r/MensRights01/03/11 05:46 PM
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I guess I'm just not especially convinced that would end better, but a lot of cops are lying, intimidating assholes who'll break the rules if you do try to cooperate in ways that protect your rights.
/r/MensRights28/02/11 06:04 AM
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I'm no so convinced that just ignoring them would've made them go away. I could've wound up in bigger shit because they might have considered it probable cause. If you mean let them in, I didn't. They unlawfully forced their way in. I was speaking to them through a cracked door and made it clear they were not welcome in. They said they would feel more comfortable if they could speak with my girlfriend, and when she was talking to them through the crack, they forced their way in, knocking her off…
/r/MensRights28/02/11 04:45 AM
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That's downright stupid, not only for needlessly infringing on free speech, but also for pretending there's not misandry and anti-white racism... "Minorities" (in quotes since women are a majority) need those sort of protections more, but a law isn't a limited resource. Protect them all!
/r/MensRights28/02/11 12:30 AM
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The worst part of this stuff? You wind up making society so paranoid about domestic violence that we infringe on other people's rights. I made a post to /r/MR a couple of weeks ago about how I was detained by police... when my girlfriend had a kidney stone, and the neighbors (in our apartment) heard her crying. I was close to being formally charged with DV, despite her arguing on my behalf and not having the slightest bruise on her.
/r/MensRights27/02/11 10:20 PM
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It's kind of "preaching to the choir" a bit too much, but the point is that this notion that criminals are mostly men isn't so true.
/r/MensRights24/02/11 09:36 AM
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Cue San Fran's conservative/orthodox Jewish community gearing up to have this ruled unconstitutional as restricting religious freedom in 3... 2.... 1....
/r/MensRights24/02/11 01:34 AM
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I realize the importance of the issue, but no where did MDKAOD say that he thinks people should get circumcised, just that it worked for him -- no dictating anything. You're in support of this proposed law, which would, frankly, dictate something, even if it's valid to do so.
/r/MensRights24/02/11 01:24 AM
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This is a wonderful idea. Look at my uncle. The court rejected a contract he signed with his ex-wife, leaving him liable for $10k in back child support payments, and he lost his job and doesn't make as much at his new one, and the court rejected his request to lower payments... Now he can't even dream of affording a lawyer to fight off injustices that leave him teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
/r/MensRights17/02/11 04:10 PM
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If I were a journalist, I would have disparaged her remarks earlier, but included her quote as an illustration of how extreme some feminists are about this issue. Referencing their personal pain over the stigma from others is no excuse, because not only does it ignore some very obvious negatives, but the false accusation in and of itself is still a horrible thing. Additionally, there's far more than the stigma and the hurt feelings. My neighbors accused me of domestic violence (apartment, next d…
/r/MensRights15/02/11 09:12 PM
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With "nigger," you would be offended by the intent, not the definition of the word, and, once again, it is the definition of nazi that is offensive. It can be used hatefully, but it isn't a true slur, in that people are offended by the comparison of themselves with Hitler and the like. Why resort to name calling? I actually generally don't. While I can't say with 100% certainty, I'm fairly confident that our exchange is the only time that I have used the term on reddit. However, while I think it…
/r/MensRights15/02/11 08:07 PM
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Also, not to mention that other stats show that many people who abuse women are serial offenders, so there's not a 1:1 ratio. Also, not to mention that, in collecting these stats, they counted the multitudes of men who were arrested for DV then later cleared (believe me, it happens -- it almost happened to me, and it was my neighbors mistakenly calling the cops when my girlfriend was crying in pain from a kidney stone).
/r/MensRights15/02/11 07:40 PM
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You don't end violence against women. You just end violence. This. This, this, this. This and nothing else. I was mugged once and had my assailant pistol-whip me in the face and leave a serious gash. I was thinking I was meeting up with a friend after exchanging some text, but he had been beaten up far worse than I and had his phone stolen. Why is that any less important to end because my friend and I were male? I (as much as I hate the term) "manned up" and handled the situation quite well, but…
/r/MensRights15/02/11 07:29 PM
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While that's true, I'd rather just see people stop giving Palin exposure... I don't care if you're Republican, the woman is an idiotic wingnut, and the fact that she would be a 70-something's heart attack or cancer diagnosis away from the White House should have served as reason enough to not vote for McCain.
/r/MensRights15/02/11 07:23 PM
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Once again, you fail to recognize the difference between a true slur and a "pseudo-slur." Why is the person on the street offended if you call them a Nazi? Because that compares them to genocidists. However, people aren't offended by "nigger" because it compares them to black people, at least most, anyway. If someone started calling MRAs as a whole something similar, then I would take offense, as MRAs as a whole cannot be fairly compared to Nazis. However, I've never used the word "femi-nazis" t…
/r/MensRights15/02/11 07:20 PM
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The thing is there's a huge difference between calling someone a "nazi" and a "nigger." a) The first is a technical term, the second is a slur. b) The first refers to an abhorrent group, the second refers to a (mostly) innocent group. "Femi-nazi" isn't hate speak. It's a portmanteau of two technical terms that provides an apt metaphor to describe a certain subset of people, who share a similar level of downright hatred for a certain class of people.
/r/MensRights15/02/11 06:02 PM
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For me, "femi-nazi" is a term to separate the truly bad people from the hordes of women who, without much thought, slap the "feminist" label on themselves. Those women seem to view men no better than the Nazis viewed the Jews, so I don't see how it is a poor comparison. I thought that most people had similar impressions.
/r/MensRights15/02/11 05:32 PM
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Some doctors require the husband's signature for tubal ligation. I'm split on this topic, but just saying.
/r/MensRights15/02/11 12:48 AM
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My girlfriend has had a few kidney stones before (healthy otherwise, but she's prone to them), and she says that she has actually had that done before, but it's semi-invasive and only used for really large stones. She says the most they'll do for small stones is a lithotripsy, which is what some people mistake for ultrasound stuff, where they blast sonic pulses to try to break up the stones, but it's nowhere near as effective and the fragments still hurt when they pass.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 07:04 PM
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Yeah, I don't know a single man (or person, for that matter) who doesn't think rape is a very real and very serious crime.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 07:01 PM
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First of all, I don't disagree that there is still racism and sexism to this day. I never said anything to the contrary. Comins, however, is saying that it is a good thing for men to suffer false accusations, because of the kind of learning experience it is. On the topic of differences between reported sex crimes against men and women, a big issue there is reporting. You think women are ashamed to report sex crimes? Men are even worse in that regard. Women represent the majority, but not as subs…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 06:59 PM
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Elaborate? I'm not at all bothered by this, it's just annoyingly generalized. I'm curious, though -- what bothers you about it so much?
/r/MensRights14/02/11 05:49 PM
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She says that she wouldn't necessarily spare them the pain, which is enough context for me to be disgusted with her. Everyone should have a serious problem with anyone being falsely accused of a crime, even if it might teach them a lesson in the process.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 05:44 PM
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The only part of that I fell compelled to report on is I feel that main of the non-extremist feminists are at least partially guilty for letting feminism grow into the monster that it did. It's like how I detest Christians, hate most Christian leaders, and will say disdainful things about Christianity, and think many of the more moderate Christians are complicit in allowing a pseudo-theocracy to develop in America. However, I have friends and family members who are Christians who I have nothing …
/r/MensRights14/02/11 09:07 AM
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I think we're done here. For the nth time, this is a miscommunication, I have explained my thoughts on the matter, and I don't appreciate being told I lack experience or skill critical discourse, when we're arguing about something so asinine, while you continue to mischaracterize the intent of what I said. I have not decried anything more than the merits of extremist feminism (you'll notice I make a greater effort than most here to differentiate between your run-of-the-mill feminist and the extr…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 08:09 AM
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I'd say the majority of people here are pretty sensible, and I apologize if I came off a bit extreme here, but you have to admit that there are at least a very noticeable people who are on the spectrum from distrustful to misogynistic. Fortunately, many of them wind up getting downvoted.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 07:59 AM
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It's a shame you were downvoted so much, as you actually had something interesting to contribute. I don't think there's any conspiracy where all the feminists are like, "CHOICE WITHOUT RESPONSIBLITY!" However, I do think there is more than meets the eye to how feminists approach war.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 07:56 AM
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree over the implications of saying "my woman," because that simply wasn't I meant. At all. I can kind of see where you're coming from, I guess, but that was the furthest thing from my mind when I wrote that. I think that addresses #1. With #2, my previous run-ins with the police have all been needlessly negative. They've always tried to coerce me into doing stuff I shouldn't, they've always intimidated and condescended to me, and they've always treated me lik…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 07:55 AM
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Your qualms certainly are atypical for this subreddit.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 06:43 AM
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So if it's my use of "my," how is "my girlfriend" any better? If a slave owner used it, the meaning would be different, because of context. Language, especially English, is all about goddamn context. Think of the sentence, "I don't think he should take that job," just with different emphases. "I don't think you should take that job." seems to imply I'm telling an acquaintance, in disagreement with others, that he shouldn't take a particular job. "I don't think you should take that job." I'm impl…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 06:42 AM
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...but we'd test positive for pot...
/r/MensRights14/02/11 06:39 AM
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I agree that it could do us some good. Rape and DV are easy places to make the case, considering how, due to the difficulty proving a claim, the whole system is inverted. However, in an "innocent until proven guilty" justice system, you would think the accused of any crime should deserve some rights. Instead, most counties actually publish all of the mugshots they take online these days...
/r/MensRights14/02/11 05:49 AM
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I can see where you're coming from and would support action in that regard (perhaps because of my disdain for religion), but I would hope that even the dumb cops could appreciate that we couldn't be that way, considering we're unmarried (they saw our licenses), live together, and white. I agree it's hard to handle the religious cases well, but anyone who tries to use their freedom of religion to deny someone else freedom of religion is overstepping the bounds. That's hard to define, though.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 05:45 AM
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I've never been arrested, and I never want to, and I have severe problems with anxiety that could make that situation messy. Also, I should remark that they didn't even bring up the supposed murder threats until well into the discussion, which just left a sour taste in my mouth. It's almost like they came up with something to justify their incursion, as I made a point of saying that I viewed their entry as unlawful. Then they bring that up as a form of probable cause... I can somewhat understand…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 05:12 AM
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You're reading into what I wrote waaaaaaaay too much. How does "my woman" indicate ownership? Once again, I simply don't understand that. My intentions were actually the reverse, and I'm about as un-controlling as they get. We're very close and each others' best friends. She's so much more than just a girlfriend to me, and when my 11-year-old cousin talks about his girlfriend and stuff like, there's something just so "cheap" about the term to me, when her and my relationship is on a completely d…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:57 AM
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I don't really know them well, but I'm pretty sure they're Hispanic, so maybe their English isn't the greatest? Definitely something that has me on edge, though. And they do have ways to make kidney stones more bearable, but, in almost all cases, it comes down to you peeing it out, which, even with painkillers, isn't a pleasant experience.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:21 AM
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The article doesn't have to endorse the view for the attitude to be present, nor I didn't say it was a universal attitude, just an attitude. I simply wanted to highlight a point of view that a feminist was able to get published in TIME (and to be clear, I don't fault TIME, I fault the society that allowed her to be taken seriously).
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:17 AM
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1) I never said that. In fact, I remarked that I'm a long-time member of the sub-reddit in my original post, I simply had not experienced the injustices described here first hand until this happened. 2) That's fine. I didn't expect you to. I simply was remarking that I have explored my run-ins with the cops in other venues. 3) I just said to her, and I quote, "I called you 'my woman' on a reddit post. Are you, in anyway, offended or upset by the way I worded it." She was surprised I even asked. …
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:15 AM
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She actually was surprisingly calm when the first showed up, as she had just passed the stone, most of the pain was gone, etc. She really only began freaking out when they kept talking about arresting me. As for being empathetic for a cop in that position? Puh-leeze. I can understand the paranoia, but honestly, I feel like, in DV and rape cases, we've gotten to an "guilty until proven innocent" level of handling them. I was told, straight up, that the only reason I wasn't arrested was because my…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:11 AM
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Yes, Cormins seems to have the attitude of many non-moderate feminists that any man is a potential rapist. And I posted an edit recently to try to clarify -- I'm not mad at Time for this either (though I still am that they chose Zuckerberg over Assange for Person of the Year). I agree that they could have handled the quote better, though. I mistakenly led some people here to believe that TIME was misandrist, based on the comments, because I didn't really say much about the article as a whole.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:06 AM
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1) the vast majority of sexual abuse victims are women Not true. That simply is a common misconception. Plenty of victims are male, plenty of perpetrators are female. 2) incidents of sexual abuse against women overwhelmingly outnumber incidents of false accusations against men So? That doesn't make those false accusations suddenly a good thing for the victim. 3) we still live in a society in which women are discriminated against on a daily basis We still live in a society in which EVERYONE is di…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 04:02 AM
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I learned #3, but I wouldn't ever do #1 (nor would my girlfriend... the door was cracked, but they pushed their way in) and with #2, I normally would do that sort of thing, but I kind of wanted to avoid being arrested and found the whole situation ludicrous. In Georgia, it's a mandatory arrest if the cops have any suspicions that DV has occurred, even if the victim doesn't want them to be arrested, and they didn't seem keen on the idea of leaving. I honestly think it was either talk to the cops …
/r/MensRights14/02/11 03:51 AM
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This particular instance is about Men's Rights due to the DV/rape culture feminism has promoted. Domestic violence is mentioned on the sidebar! And I view it as an abuse of power issue too, and I've discussed my interactions with the police on a number of occasions in libertarian contexts. And I just say I trust her, because too many people on here, even if they aren't misogynist, seem to be somewhat distrustful of women, and I didn't want people to be like, "Oh, now the next time you get in a f…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 03:42 AM
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How so? I admit I was unclear about my feelings about TIME, but I've read plenty of other articles linked here that include misandrist quotes that weren't from misandrist sources.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 03:41 AM
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Yeah, I can imagine. And I've actually been called a misogynist for that before, actually. I took a bus to volunteer to do some canvassing for the Obama campaign (FYI, I think he gets too much flak, but I also am no longer the fan of him I once was), spent all day literally walking door-to-door, and suddenly I'm the asshole because a woman who got on at the mall stop wants my seat, to the point where I was basically shamed by the people around me into standing for the last 7-8 minutes of the tri…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 03:27 AM
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I'll add a notice to make it clear that the article, on the whole, was very sensible, but I don't see how it was unclear someone was being quoted by the author. The "get it published in TIME" thing is a bit unclear, so I'll address that, but I really meant that "she's able to say that and get people to listen." TIME wouldn't be reporting on her if she wasn't allowed to already reach a position of some relevancy.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 03:06 AM
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It's cool! I've just had some people elsewhere in the comments make the mistake I thought you made.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 02:57 AM
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It was a child support thing, and the actual ruling was late last year. It's a long story, but the key elements were that he lost his job, signed an actual contract with his ex-wife that she could live in his house for a bit (and he'd live elsewhere) in exchange for not collecting child support, and had the court later rule the contract as invalid at his ex-wife's request, so now he owes her $10,000. To make matters worse, he was criticized by the court for working too much to be a worthwhile pa…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 02:56 AM
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Welcome to the internet, where magazines exist, just like they do on paper. Did you think I wanted you to link to something physical? I didn't think you wanted me to link something physical, but I figured you expected something from something with at least a major print equivalent. I don't view reading a TIME online article as reading a magazine any more than I consider reading Reddit the same as reading a newspaper. I never mentioned Mein Kampf I mistook another redditor's post for yours in thi…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 02:51 AM
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You're correct with your example too, of course, but a report from the Department of Labor that was completely ignored by everyone (relevant; it's been posted here!) found that the primary factors in the wage gap were women working fewer hours, being willfully unemployed, and not pursuing careers in "dangerous or technical" professions.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 02:29 AM
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The thing is 20 years old, which hopefully means that opinions have changed a little since its publication. I hadn't noticed it was from 20 years ago until another redditor pointed it out (and called me retarded!) and I too hope things have changed, but many of the more current stories from this reddit, as well as things I have personally witnessed, make me wary... My uncle was ridiculously fucked over by a feminist family court judge to the point that no sane person could agree with her ruling,…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 02:23 AM
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It might be helpful to understand I'm mad at the woman for saying the quote, not at Time for publishing it. I read the whole article and mostly agreed with the author's viewpoint.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 02:19 AM
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But the point you reiterated in your first response was that this was discouraging because it was made in Time I only did so because you made such a big deal about Mein Kampf being published. The article, on the whole, I actually agree with, I just thought the juxtaposition with Mein Kampf was erroneous. I didn't request a print publication, but a current equivalent. BULLSHIT. You said, verbatim: Link to a major magazine like Time publishing a similar quote in the last couple of years. Finally, …
/r/MensRights14/02/11 01:56 AM
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I think a lot of people mistake me being angry with the author of the quote with Time for publishing it (when the article itself I mostly agree with).
/r/MensRights14/02/11 01:47 AM
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One thing I regret about the way some of my other conversations have gone is that some people seem to think I'm trying to call out Time (one person wanted me to track down a similar story in a large magazine to prove this quote's relevancy, when I wasn't as much concerned with it being in a Time article as the quote itself).
/r/MensRights14/02/11 01:38 AM
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And you're looking for something specific that would take an unrealistic amount of time to find, especially given the slow death of print media, and so I offered you a response that negated your original complaint, even if it wasn't a direct response to your request. The fact is that there are plenty of outspoken feminists who continue to not only preach favoritism towards women but downright misandry to this day, there are current examples posted on this subreddit daily, and my unwillingness to…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 01:10 AM
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Are we reading the same sub-reddit? A substantial portion of the articles here are in reaction to feminist bullshit, most of which isn't as old. Let's look at NOW, an organization not known for being especially extremist. If they're not decrying Ted Kennedy for supporting Obama over Clinton (does that mean that he would be racist for supporting Clinton?), they're preferentially supporting federal funding for programs that favor women during the recession.
/r/MensRights14/02/11 12:31 AM
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Being repeatedly threatened with arrest and saying that I would've gone to jail if my girlfriend had even the slightest bruise is not a "minor inconvenience," considering how close I was from having my life turned upside down and potentially have my reputation ruined. I think you wouldn't see it as a "minor inconvenience" you were in my shoes, especially considering how rude, condescending, and intimidating they were being. Also, I think we need to work, from a social angle, on making women more…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 12:09 AM
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If you're interested in equality why would you associate with a label that is led by wicked people and is explicitly focused on just one gender? That's what I don't understand. My self-described feminist friends usually say something to the effect of, "Well, I really care about equality as a whole. There are certainly inequities in women's favor as well." Well, then, stop associating with misandrists who have created more problems for men than they've solved! One reason I actually prefer "Men's …
/r/MensRights14/02/11 12:03 AM
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If that were the case, why don't you see more feminists who outspokenly want to end Selective Service altogether? That's another way to achieve equality. Additionally, the irony of your statement is that one of the big things that feminists fought for in the past was the right to voluntarily serve in the army. I guess they want the choice but not the responsibility.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 11:58 PM
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Yup, and not the first time it's been used misandristically. My uncle's, ex-wife's lawyer made the case that, he being usually very busy with his work, not getting much custody time would be a good lesson for him to value his relationship with his children more. My uncle is a worthwhile (but busy) parent, but his ex-wife divorced him after admitting to an affair of 3+ years and hasn't held a job since they got married. The disgusting part? When the economy tanked, he lost his job, and, as he cou…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 11:43 PM
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Certainly seems like it. The police are awful when they want to bring you in. I'm 22, and I've had a cop: ...pull me over without cause because someone in the area reported a "suspicious car" and insisted he would arrest me (though I know he couldn't legally) if I couldn't explain my reasons for being in the area. I lived literally less than a mile away, but I was a student and still had my mom's address on my license and associated with my plates. The cop wouldn't let me leave for a good 15 min…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 11:18 PM
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No, my analogy quite valid, as my intent was a juxtaposition with Christianity, where the "flock" listen to the "shepherds" enough to cause problems, but not enough to realize how much their "shepherds" are misleading them. They might ignore specific quotes like this, just as basically every Christian, even fundamentalists, ignore the more unsavory quotes of the Bible, but then they continue to support the very institution that gives these people voices. The cognitive disconnect from the "shephe…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 10:58 PM
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This is from 20 years ago. Didn't realize until now, but that doesn't change anything. I was Googling to find a much more recent story and found this in the process. The attitudes haven't changed in the past 20 years. If anything, the fact that this was 20 years ago troubles me more, because I liked to think that a lot of these problems were more recent. I think its retarded that you have to go this far back to find something to gripe about. I didn't have to at all. The many, many more recent st…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 10:10 PM
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Considering my county encompasses a large portion of the poorer and more crime-ridden parts of Atlanta (though my area is mostly okay), I would be seriously afraid of a trigger-happy cop shooting and making excuses later.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 09:43 PM
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He perhaps over-generalized, but if we separate the shepherds from the flock (i.e. the outspoken, well-known feminist authors from just every person who slaps that label on themselves), I would say that the substantial majority of the "shepherds" probably do, even if the reverse is true of the "flock." I've certainly heard enough of them say plenty of other disgustingly misandrist things...
/r/MensRights13/02/11 09:38 PM
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Hah, I just commented pretty much the same thing before refreshing and seeing this orangered. Hardcore feminists bitch about "patriarchy," then wind up advocating essentially a "matriarchy," where everyone is just as oppressed, just in a different fashion. I suspect that they are conscious of this to at least some degree, but a lot of the big names in the movement are just misandrists.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 09:36 PM
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Exactly. It's like how a lot of people will talk about supporting free speech... until they want to silence someone with a point of view that offends or disturbs them. I'm a member of the ACLU, and I've had a couple of people remark that they dislike the organization for doing things like backing a KKK chapter that was barred from peaceful assembly. The hardcore "feminists" wind up supporting patriarchal aspects of our society in such absurd ways. So many high schools and colleges, including my …
/r/MensRights13/02/11 09:33 PM
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She actually wound up thinking she got it out around the time they showed up, as the pain level went way down, but later remarked over the next few days she was having more pain occasionally and thought there might be a few fragments leftover that were coming out. Ooof. Nick Swardson once joked he "wins" if he gets through life without getting stabbed. I think I'd say the same thing about kidney stones -- looks like a pretty hellacious experience, and guys have an extra several inches of "tubing…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 09:16 PM
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While I too disagree over the use of the term "patriarchy," especially considering the number of supposed feminists who would probably support the cops' behavior, I agree with you completely. We should work, from a social perspective, to make women who are being abused to feel more comfortable reporting their parters, but the cops should NEVER operate under the assumption that people committing DV because of the number of women who won't report the crime, and if someone is actually being abused,…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 09:06 PM
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They're incredibly noisy sometimes, and I had tolerated it before because it wasn't so bad, but I'm, without a doubt, calling a noise complaint on them in a heartbeat the next time they do.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 08:58 PM
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They didn't, and I almost wish they had, because one thing that frustrated me is I figured I'd have a hard time complaining to the county PD about something that happens all the goddamn time. They still entered my apartment without consent or a search warrant, though, and I should file a formal complaint to that effect, I now realize.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 08:50 PM
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The fact that my girlfriend of a year-and-a-half has stuck with me despite my living in a crappy apartment and barely making ends meet surely has helped me trust her a lot more. Obviously, you can't easily "play poor" to separate the superficial ones out, but there is something reassuring about having your woman willingly move out of her parent's cushy, upscale home into your dingy apartment and, not only not gripe about money being tighter, but often remark how much happier she is now.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 08:48 PM
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I agree, and in other words, what you said is, "Men aren't afraid of commitment, they are really afraid of the woman herself not committing." When men lose their children, their homes, and much of their income in divorce, "commitment" to them means a whole lot more.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 08:45 PM
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Also, on top of all of that, isn't there something especially ignoble about the fact that it seems pretty clear she herself doesn't work? I would at least have a little sympathy if she was the one footing the bill, but it sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black -- she berates her husband for deciding not to go back to work, when she's entirely unwilling to do so herself.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 08:42 PM
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I've had some people, including my girlfriend, think it's funny that I've remarked that I think it's incredibly important that a mate isn't into psychics or takes horoscopes seriously, but that's exactly the kind of reason why... People who buy into that kind of shit are just as bad as the people who blindly follow religion and base decisions off of it, and if they are going to be your significant other, your life will ultimately be affected negatively in some fashion by their superstitions, eve…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 08:36 PM
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I agree completely. They had a self-described feminist woman lecture us about this topic in my college's mandatory health class, insisting that such a thing was rape, and I was so proud of the young woman who stood up (don't actually know her) and said, in front of a class of literally 200+ people, "I find that insulting and not at all feminist, as you're implying that I have less control over my actions than men." The class erupted in applause.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 06:39 PM
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This is why many MRAs advocate anonymity for the accused in these situations until proven guilty. All non-moderate feminists seem to be against it, though, under grounds it would make it "harder" for women to report rape, a claim I don't understand in the slightest. EDIT: "man" => "many"
/r/MensRights13/02/11 06:36 PM
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I could see that. An example relevant to this sub-reddit (but hurting, not helping men) is my uncle, who lost his job when the economy tanked, signed an agreement with his ex-wife that she could move into his house (and he would stay with other family) if he could cease paying child support while he was unemployed. Of course, despite signing a contract, she was later able to get the courts to rule the contract as void, as apparently custodial parents can't legally sign away their right to child …
/r/MensRights13/02/11 06:33 PM
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Clearly, yes. Just saying it's hard to withdraw consent when you're completely under. This is the case where such rules should apply. A doctor shouldn't be able to force me to continue anything I don't want to do.
/r/MensRights13/02/11 12:16 AM
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If you can withdraw consent any time during sex, you should be able to during medical procedures too, provided you're conscious enough...
/r/MensRights13/02/11 12:03 AM
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I think you're letting your experiences warp your view of reality. Find a woman who is honest, who isn't overly materialistic, who is willing to discuss what they want from the future with you, and whose ideals of the future are compatible with your own. The odds may not be good on paper, but with a ~50% divorce rate, you certainly should be able to tip the scales far in your favor if you go about it the right way. One thing I'm doing that I think is important is a long cohabitation period befor…
/r/MensRights02/02/11 12:40 AM
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...except it isn't at all like the lottery. And sometimes you just have to accept that, to get what you want, there might be some negatives. I feel for the plight of animals in industrial farming situations, but I'm a bit of a foodie and love meat, so I refuse to become vegetarian, while I still support and am outspoken about improved conditions. The hardline types scoff at you in those situations, but they fail to realize you represent a position that a large number of people -- if properly inf…
/r/MensRights01/02/11 08:58 PM
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Maybe "potential" isn't the right word, but you know what I mean. There's that underlying fear. I worked one summer at a summer day camp for younger kids, and I could see the look in some of the parents eyes. The only reason I got through it was my boss was literally the only other man employed, and he told me he would have my back in a heartbeat if any parents got crazy.
/r/MensRights01/02/11 08:25 PM
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I don't think it's at all like the lottery, not only in the improbability, but also in the luck aspect. A lot of people are just shitty judges of character. A lot of people just marry the hottest person they can woo. A lot of people enter into marriage knowing their partner is fundamentally different in the way they want to live their lives. The irony of all of this too is one of many great things about my woman is she actually is a Men's Rights advocate.
/r/MensRights01/02/11 08:16 PM
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One of the goals of Men's Rights is to move past the societal fear that all men are potential pedophiles and rapists. How do we change that? By making people acknowledge that the actions of a small minority don't represent the actions of a whole.
/r/MensRights01/02/11 08:00 PM
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It's your right to be a radical in that regard if you like, but if the Men's Rights movement wants to succeed you need the people like me, i.e. not misogynists at heart. I'm in a year-and-a-half long relationship, I intend to get married, and I intend on having kids. That might make me a "traitor" in your eyes, but I'm an outspoken proponent of everything Men's Rights is about, and want things to change so that sort of life is a less needlessly scary one for those who want it.
/r/MensRights01/02/11 07:55 PM
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Yes, because all people reflect the negative stereotypes of their gender.
/r/MensRights01/02/11 05:54 PM
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Yeah, this hit close to home for me too, I'm just lucky to live in a state where the age of consent is 16. I started dating my girlfriend when she was 17, and I was 21, and her father is totally the level of crazy to try to pull this with me if he could.
/r/MensRights01/02/11 04:53 PM
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Lifetime - Television for Idiots.
/r/MensRights03/01/11 04:00 AM
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I would think that, when 30 million is on the table, the welfare of the ex-wife and children couldn't be of concern... This is what's absurd about our legal system.
/r/MensRights30/12/10 10:12 PM
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Extremist feminism is one of the most subversive and damaging tools in the modern person's repertoire. Assange is a far higher-profile example than the Duke Lacrosse team of how attacks can be launched at someone against which there is little defense. Assange represents the power of freedom, and feminism to this degree IS justly called "feminazism," because it is one of the biggest threats to freedom we have, if anyone who fights the good fight can be attacked in such a fashion.
/r/MensRights26/12/10 11:40 PM
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Revenge isn't an ideal that I would want the Men's Rights movement to support. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind," etc.
/r/MensRights26/12/10 02:15 AM
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I'm generally on board with stuff on /r/MR, but frankly, if you owe child support money, you shouldn't be at a casino unless you're some sort of crazy math genius.
/r/MensRights24/12/10 06:39 AM
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Thank you. I hate DailyMail and don't especially trust it and, though this is something I've always suspected, I'd rather have a more reputable source.
/r/MensRights23/12/10 06:10 PM
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Came here to make sure this quote was highlighted. Someone needs to be pretty distressed to commit a substantial portion of crimes. You don't see anyone saying that we need to put murderers into therapy instead of jail, except in cases of legitimate insanity. I would say that someone would have to be even more distressed to commit murder.
/r/MensRights22/12/10 12:41 AM
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Ephebophilia is a little bit of a useless term, yeah. Youth is attractive and desirable, and it's more statutory rape laws (in the case of 16-17 year olds) and societal disapproval that discourage it more than anything. Just had to offer the "correct" term instead of pedophilia.
/r/MensRights21/12/10 11:47 PM
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Exactly. This is technically ephebophilia, which you can still regard as creepy if you want, but at 17, let's not pretend someone can't really (even if they can't legally in the jurisdiction) consent either.
/r/MensRights21/12/10 06:21 PM
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And just reproductive health in general. Most women see a gynecologist at least once a year, which tacks on a substantial amount to the near-guaranteed amount they'll cost the provider.
/r/MensRights20/12/10 02:00 AM
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I don't think gender rights are a zero sum game at all, and many positions are those of the extremists, but based on my experiences with mainstream feminism, it absolutely fights for equal pay without understanding the underlying causes and fights against rape trial reform under the guise of it deterring women from reporting. That's rewarding women unfairly and perpetuating injustice, plain and simple.
/r/MensRights19/12/10 11:59 PM
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I agree completely that there's no going back for feminism, so to speak, I just couldn't help but point out that it did start with good intentions! Of course now, their primary goals seem to be rewarding women for working less and in less technical/dangerous fields and perpetuating injustices in the legal system.
/r/MensRights19/12/10 10:02 PM
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if she promises, and has, and enjoys, actual real sex with him That's not a requisite part of a false accusation. You can just as easily ask what if she doesn't... (stuff about the legal definition of rape) I perhaps didn't word my definition well (I think rape requires penetration), but this has little to do with how we treat false accusers. We actually probably are mostly in agreement about what should be considered rape, I just wanted to point out that aggression is irrelevant -- that's the w…
/r/MensRights19/12/10 07:25 AM
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First of all, let's be clear about something. A false rape accusation that goes to trial is perjury, which is often categorized as a felony. Being a felon is far worse than being on the sex registry -- you're stripped of your rights to vote and to bear arms, finding a job is near impossible, and it's an automatic deportation for non-citizens. So you don't think someone using sex as a means to harm another ISN'T a 'sexual predator'? I don't think using a lie, even if it is about sex, is using sex…
/r/MensRights19/12/10 06:48 AM
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I think it's somehow "bad" to hold women accountable? Bullllllllshit. I want to see false rape accusations addressed just as much as you, I just don't think that it makes them a "sexual predator." The idea of the registry is to identify members of the community around whom you should be wary of your safety. I would honestly be okay making false accusations a felony, to be honest, which carries way more stigma than the registry, especially considering how diluted with sexting kids and public pee-…
/r/MensRights19/12/10 02:19 AM
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The sexting kid is a perfect example of the problem with how the list is implemented.
/r/MensRights19/12/10 01:33 AM
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you have to apply at least the same standards of proof. Anyone reasonable in supporting this beliefs should advocate that she get her own trial and be presumed innocent until proven guilty. They should get the same protections that we advocate on behalf of accused rapists, just as they should face the same potential consequences.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 12:56 AM
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I disagree. The sex offender registry already has problems with it being too "diluted," where you can get on it for anything from public urination to consensual statutory rape. The last thing we need to do is dilute it more. Put them in jail, keep this on their record, make them pay, but don't break the sex offenders registry more in the process.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 12:55 AM
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Handling "both sides" in one case wouldn't really work. The accuser should, if the accused is found not guilty, face her own trial, in which she should be considered innocent until proven guilty. That way, if it's just unclear in general about what happened, no one goes to jail.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 12:51 AM
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I would say that probably far more feminists are pro-choice than pro-life, but that's not to say you can generalize about them all. This is also in Europe, where the political climate is a bit different. I think Palin's pro-life stance was also an easy target for feminists, who generally wouldn't vote for her for issues not related to feminism, when they probably would've been better served just to point out that someone with a two-digit IQ shouldn't be a 70-something-year-old's heart attack, st…
/r/MensRights09/12/10 03:12 AM
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Exactly. I won't deny that these claims are possibly true, but make no mistake, they were hunting him down primarily for WikiLeaks, not for this.
/r/MensRights09/12/10 03:02 AM
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The Islamic Golden Age was pretty crazy. While Europe was trapped in the Dark Ages, the Middle East was a booming center of culture and science.
/r/MensRights09/12/10 01:55 AM
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Just as I would hope you would not take INTERPOL's claims that, despite spending tons of time and resources on him, they're only interested in these claims.
/r/MensRights09/12/10 01:53 AM
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There're plenty of anti-abortion feminists. It's not the typical view, but it's still pretty split. Hell, most of the people who are pro-choice still think abortion is a pretty sad thing.
/r/MensRights09/12/10 01:52 AM
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But it should be the man's responsibility to get tested, because only men are dirty sleezeballs! /s
/r/MensRights09/12/10 01:50 AM
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You can't, sadly, which is especially frustrating given that, apparently, the probability I'll make a stupid spelling/grammar error increases 10-fold when writing reddit post titles.
/r/MensRights08/12/10 09:30 PM
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Exactly. If someone wanted to flee the state, losing their license isn't going to stop them anyway. You can fly, you can take Greyhound, you can have a friend drive you, or one of a multitude of other options. Without a passport, though, you'll have a hard time getting anywhere outside of the country. EDIT: Grammar
/r/MensRights29/11/10 08:50 PM
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I don't understand why losing your driver's license should be a punishment for anything except unsafe driving. In our car-crazed culture, you wind up just making the situation worse.
/r/MensRights29/11/10 11:27 AM
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They're only superficially related in that regard. The worst and perhaps only real negative that white people have to deal with is affirmative action, which is poorly implemented (it should be economic, not racially based) but at least serves a point. Men face many inherent biases against us both socially and legally. Our group actually supports something with real weight. --A white male.
/r/MensRights28/11/10 07:43 AM
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The men's room in my college dorm was always disgusting within a couple of days of its cleaning. Mind you, I didn't see the women's, but it's no secret that some times men's rooms get disgusting fast. CleverRedditHandle went too far in his implications, but, let's be honest, we've all witnessed the horrors of a gross men's room before. -Ardent supporter of Men's Rights.
/r/MensRights27/11/10 05:53 AM
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I don't, I just think the point of view here has been misconstrued. First of all, you point out the horrible double-standard with alcohol use turning into "date rape," when the woman consented at the time. This is a serious problem on college campuses. Beyond that, we have an instance where opponents of Men's Rights pervert a message that even many feminists support. If a feminist tells a woman to be careful about being alone at night in skimpy clothing, they're an activist. Apparently, if a men…
/r/MensRights25/11/10 12:17 PM
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any of the big 3 Abrahamic Religions would have protection in our court systems What about Islam? I think there're probably just as many Islamophobic judges as "Agnostiphobic" ones. Otherwise, you're spot on.
/r/MensRights23/11/10 09:14 PM
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Christians are a majority in this country. The concept that they're persecuted was laughable from the beginning, some are just upset that we can't have a pseudo-theocracy because of freedom of religion. EDIT: Changed to clarify that I didn't mean all Christians are upset.
/r/MensRights23/11/10 09:12 PM
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Obviously, the OP is unfamiliar with /r/MensRights (unsurprising, it being a cross-post). Working at a summer day camp a few years back cemented this fear in me, and I've heard about it plenty here.
/r/MensRights17/11/10 07:47 PM
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If it doesn't matter if biologically it's your own kid, why not do maternity wards all Yankee Swap Christmas style. It'll be fun! And break racial barriers and shit. You might not come home with YOUR kid, but that doesn't matter, right?
/r/MensRights09/11/10 06:49 PM
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Anyone with half a brain, gender aside, would be opposed. My girlfriend read the article and thought it was disgusting.
/r/MensRights09/11/10 11:18 AM
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It's not even a hassle these days too. There isn't any blood testing required -- it's just a swab inside your cheek. We're talking about something that takes less than a minute of the family's time.
/r/MensRights09/11/10 11:12 AM
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Came here to make sure this was cross-posted. A relevant topic from a fantastic comic.
/r/MensRights07/11/10 11:04 PM
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Privacy on the internet is tricky, and it's better just to be able to stand by whatever you put out there, be it posts on Reddit or pictures on Facebook. I've probably missed out on some employment opportunities because of weed-related posts that can be tracked back to me, but it's an issue like Men's Rights to me -- people's lives are getting screwed for no reason, and I'd rather stand by those concerns than hide in the shadows. -- Thorne Melcher, 22-year-old Atlanta resident
/r/MensRights07/11/10 09:55 PM
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She fails to realize that some of the "sexism" may very well be true. Saying that mothers, as a whole, aren't more protective than fathers is ignoring sociological fact. It also doesn't have to be just looking for divine favor. My mother, who's essentially an atheist, just calls herself "open-minded" when people ask, as she tells me, "So that I don't anger the wrong people." I'm tempted to say that the article's author would take offense to any explanation, as anything that accounts for a differ…
/r/MensRights07/11/10 09:42 PM
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I've seen yellowmix make a big deal about "ableism" a few times recently, and I'm wondering how anyone can take her seriously. Seriously, at some point, political correctness just becomes... dare I say it... retarded!
/r/MensRights04/11/10 01:05 PM
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I don't mind the institution of engagement rings too much, but fuck DeBeers for their whole "2 months salary" thing. What a crock of shit. 1/6th of someone's annual salary is a TON of money.
/r/MensRights27/10/10 10:17 AM
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As soon as I saw that, I came to /r/MensRights immediately to make sure that this was cross-posted already. Before that edit, this was already relevant, but afterward, it's crucial that we examine this post.
/r/MensRights24/10/10 03:41 AM
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I agree, and I'm generally an outspoken proponent of /r/MensRights causes. Someone, personally, can require whatever the hell you want out of their future spouse as far as I'm concerned, as long as it isn't a legal or common societal expectation.
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:56 AM
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I do know that in the anime series Ranma ½, there are cadre of Chinese women (Shampoo being the most prominent) that require a man to best them in combat before marrying them.
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:55 AM
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"Women are the conduit for change on the planet." That quote downright disgusts me. What about Martin Luther King Jr., Mohandas Gandhi, the American Founding Fathers, Abraham Lincoln, Harvey Milk, etc. many of whom were assassinated for standing up for change.
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:38 AM
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Just know that they're a bit... err... constricting and are known to reduce sperm counts.
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:20 AM
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Imagine what would happen if it was a girl and her stepfather was so obsessed about her underwear. If she were 14 and trying to get away with wearing thongs, he'd probably be able to make the case, but otherwise, yeah, people would probably assume some bad things about him...
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:19 AM
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While I'm generally against eye for an eye-style justice (as Gandhi said, that "makes the whole world blind"), I have to say that throwing away HER underwear is a good response, just because of the uniqueness of how creepy she's being and how disposable underwear is.
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:13 AM
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Meanwhile, non-governmental places are laying off far more men...
/r/MensRights23/10/10 12:07 AM
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Ranma ½ had some characters like this, actually, if anyone else is familiar with anime.
/r/MensRights22/10/10 11:41 PM
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I always prefer an article over a video if possible, but that's a stupid reason to downvote. This is a very publicized example of female perpetrated domestic violence.
/r/MensRights22/10/10 11:31 PM
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Arousal is only wrong if it's acted upon to illegal or unscrupulous ends (a very small percentage of the time). I wish more people would understand that.
/r/MensRights21/10/10 10:03 PM
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One takes 15 minutes and is fun. One takes several weeks and sucks. (Paperwork and such aside for both.) Maybe sperm donors should be paid more, but there's a reason why egg donors will always be paid a lot more. This coming from an ardent /r/MensRights supporter.
/r/MensRights20/10/10 11:12 PM
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The misogynist MRAs don't justify the misandrist feminists, and both are equally guilty.
/r/MensRights18/10/10 10:13 PM
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Well, that hadn't happened before I submitted this post.
/r/MensRights18/10/10 08:38 PM
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Basically, pyth claimed, in various comments on the post, that it's "probably a good thing" that men are starting to get the raw end of the deal, that our strengths are "no longer valuable to society," and that men are irresponsible, lazy, and, when in power, war-mongering. I accused him of being misandrist (which I think is self-evident) and said that he was making overly generalized and extreme assertions. The best he was able to do was point to crime statistics and history, both of which I ca…
/r/MensRights18/10/10 03:08 PM
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Another way it's being watered down is with our views on date rape. In my required, first-semester college Health 101 class, they told us that if two people got drunk and had sex, if the woman later regretted it, she was raped, but the same couldn't be said of the man, because, and I quote, "only men use intoxication to coerce sex." I was proud when, in a huge lecture class of about 200, a WOMAN stood up and said to the self-described feminist guest speaker that what she was doing was insulting …
/r/MensRights17/10/10 07:32 PM
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While I'm all for being wary of the child support racket (and wouldn't be surprised if a sperm donor wound up paying child support), this article is about a girl wanting to identify her father for emotional reasons than a mother wanting child support. I realize that a discussion of child support might not have been the OP's intent, just commenting on the trend of comments.
/r/MensRights17/10/10 05:09 AM
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I won't lie: my apartment wouldn't work for kids. However -- and I was never fully disagreeing with you -- I just wanted to point out that I'm an example of someone living in a major city who did a lot better than studio in a shitty part of town for, all intents and purposes, $800.
/r/MensRights15/10/10 01:26 AM
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I live in Atlanta, and I realize the cost of living is somewhat lower in the south, but after actually shopping around (I mean spending several hours looking for the RIGHT place), I found a great apartment in a good part of town for $805/month.
/r/MensRights15/10/10 12:34 AM
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Having sex shouldn't equate with having a baby in this day in age with the multitude of contraception options available. Younger folks can be foolish, but now that we're finally turning away from abstinence-only sex ed, hopefully we can educate them better.
/r/MensRights07/10/10 09:58 PM
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I feel "uncomfortable" easily multiple times a week. It's such a non-specific claim!
/r/MensRights07/10/10 11:02 AM
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Americans who know they'll never make their fortune legitimately love to just abuse the justice system instead.
/r/MensRights07/10/10 11:01 AM
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We obviously need some protections in place to prevent unscrupulous men from taking advantage of young women, but I started dating my girlfriend of a year when she was still 17, and I was 21. The age of consent in Georgia is only 16, which I think is a more reasonable number, and, in the meantime, we're only one year more apart than my parents were. If you're mature enough to be trusted with driving a several ton steel cage on wheels, then you should be mature enough to understand sex.
/r/MensRights06/10/10 12:51 AM
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Wow, at least they had the decency to put "his or her," even though the policy itself is abhorrent. My "Health 101" lecture class required by my college taught that only men could be held liable in such instances, because only they used alcohol to prey on others. I wish I was joking.
/r/MensRights04/10/10 10:58 AM
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Not wanting to endure nine months of discomfort culminating in a painful experience is actually somewhat of an objective reason! I generally believe that a woman has a right to choose how to govern her own body, just that we need protections to minimize the unfairness of how those choices impact others, so I'd agree that it's quite unreasonable to expect an unwilling mother to carry to term.
/r/MensRights03/10/10 06:54 PM
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I don't claim that it would be simple, just doable and needed. What if a woman finds out she is pregnant too late? "Ohhhhh, so that's why I haven't had my period for 5 months!" I know it sometimes takes women a few months, but realistically, this shouldn't happen if she's at all paying attention to her body. What if a woman cannot have an abortion for a medical reason (I'm not sure there is such a thing, but if there is then it would be an issue)? Adoption? What if the abortion fails (unlikely b…
/r/MensRights03/10/10 06:13 PM
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Exactly. We just need to apply that same principle to men, as I'm sure you agree.
/r/MensRights03/10/10 05:48 PM
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I did read the article! I'm not saying it's pretty, just that it's nothing new. Teenagers making poor decisions, and some of them acting in downright self-destructive manners? That's pretty textbook. If anything might've gotten worse, it's just protection use has gone down, which I think might have something to do with the rise in popularity of abstinence-only sex education, but clearly some of the girls want kids anyway. But hey, where else is MTV going to get young folks to film for exploitati…
/r/MensRights16/09/10 02:07 PM
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Non-fear-mongering title: "An anonymous survey of more than 10,000 teenage girls and young women reveals business as usual when it comes to sex and drugs."
/r/MensRights16/09/10 12:40 PM
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I rather sincerely said that he wasn't recognizing your rather valid point that assigning arbitrary ratios to these sorts of things is a bit off. I believe in innocence until proven guilty and like that quote, but it doesn't mean you don't have a point.
/r/MensRights15/09/10 02:48 AM
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-slow clap- What an entertaining read! While I agree that trying to arbitrarily place a ratio on different miscarriages of justice, Redgiemental was correct in saying that punishing an innocent is worse than letting a guilty person free -- and there is no debate. As soon as a country's legal system forgoes that principle, enjoy having your civil liberties squashed.
/r/MensRights15/09/10 01:21 AM
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You're absolutely right. There are plenty of cases of people being wrongfully imprisoned for decades, and, of course, people wrongfully executed.
/r/MensRights15/09/10 01:15 AM
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Came into the comments to make sure this quote was posted and sufficiently upvoted. Thanks!
/r/MensRights15/09/10 01:11 AM
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A bit of research shows this is very old news but important nonetheless. The problem with the gender debate is far too many women have been brainwashed into thinking there's a widespread male conspiracy in terms of job offerings and pay. There isn't. That's not to say it doesn't occasionally happen, but, when considering confounding variables, men lead women by a couple of percent overall, which is far less than the quarter or more thrown out by these wingnuts. Also, when considering social pres…
/r/MensRights12/09/10 01:59 PM
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In the 70s, there was a sort of culture war between "anti-pornography" and "sex positive" feminism. These days, it seems that feminists are solely in the former's vein and the sex positive feminists are ostracized from the community.
/r/MensRights07/09/10 11:12 AM
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It's just there isn't a (substantial, at least) group of men complaining about it.
/r/MensRights07/09/10 02:12 AM
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I wish. My uncle's drinking a ton and panicking. I'm seriously worried.
/r/MensRights08/08/10 12:12 AM
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This was, down to the capitalization, exactly what I came here to say.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 08:33 PM
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This. The problem with many people's views on gender issues is the notion that it's a zero sum game. There are victories that can be won on both sides. A major problem still, however, is the number of people who still think the Men's Rights movement is a joke, when there are so many demonstrable issues we face.
/r/MensRights23/07/10 08:52 AM
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British Airways, among others, have instituted policies where unaccompanied minors are not seated next to men, for fear of sexual harassment. I wonder how they'll react now that it's more clear what this subreddit has said all along: women are just as capable of harassment.
/r/MensRights14/07/10 02:05 AM
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The book is decidedly "anti-feminist" in a modern perspective with the current directions of much of the movement. You could just as easily argue that a book which explored the loss of of the young female narrator's innocence was notedly feminist for the time, in the more pure, original goals of the movement. That said, the false rape dimension of the book is an extremely relevant point today, especially in the context of the Men's Rights movement.
/r/MensRights12/07/10 07:15 PM
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That's pretty sickening. We, as a society, seem to worship the all-powerful maternal instinct and throw justice and fairness to the wind.
/r/MensRights12/07/10 07:11 PM
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The Civil Rights Act (fixed -- unless you mean the Act to pay back the Japanese-Americans interred in WWII) ended active, systematic discrimination in the form of segregated schools, bathrooms, etc. This is hardly the same thing.
/r/MensRights12/07/10 06:39 PM
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However, women only account for 30% of admissions to Top 30 business schools, as many that inflate the numbers are entering sub-par programs. (http://www.emba.org/exchange/expanded_web_may_2006/feature_1.html) And if they "can't imagine" themselves in the role, that doesn't mean that we need a law to fix that. It's a social problem, not a legal one.
/r/MensRights12/07/10 03:22 PM
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Which is legitimately great, but here in the US, we have to deal with a flawed concept among some women where they think taking years off at a time to raise kids shouldn't mean they make less money... Just so we're all clear, the pay gap shrinks to a couple of percent if you account for differences in the choices between the genders.
/r/MensRights12/07/10 01:50 PM
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No clue, it's pretty sickening. More women should be getting MBAs, then maybe the "problem" would solve itself?
/r/MensRights12/07/10 01:29 PM
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However, are 50% of people who spend several years not working to take care of the kids men?
/r/MensRights12/07/10 01:27 PM
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That sounds like wife logic. EDIT: For the people who're downvoting (seems pretty split based on my addon), do you actually get my joke?
/r/MensRights11/07/10 06:12 PM
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Not to be nitpicky, but Cosgrove is 17. A good example of what a 29-year-old man with a 16-year-old girl would be like is Jason Schwartzman and Dakota Fanning.
/r/MensRights26/06/10 10:10 AM
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But I thought only men could commit sexual assault!
/r/MensRights23/06/10 05:05 AM
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I actually call myself a gender equalitist, and I don't think it precludes having discussion areas for issues specific to each gender.
/r/MensRights21/06/10 09:01 PM
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/r/MensRights realizes that gender equality exists in both directions and that it's not a zero sum game. Men's interests can be advanced in many ways without creating inequality for women.
/r/MensRights21/06/10 07:18 PM
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While appeal to authority is, on a logical front, weak, it can often be somewhat illustrative and sometimes raise important points. Women who are actually raped and fear it should want to see reform, so that their claims are able to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights20/06/10 07:03 PM
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I agree. Andy's lived with his mom since the first movie. The other girl is picked up from day care by her mom, oh, lawd today. Male villains? Welcome to 90% of all movies ever made. Before anyone starts whining about that, I'd wager about the same percentage of male protagonists. The state of American cinema is a laughable concern next to how the legal system in America works against men.
/r/MensRights20/06/10 06:59 PM
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I honestly think that there's, ironically, an ANTI-feminist slant in the kind of thinking you quoted. It suggests that women are never horny and never enjoy sex, and thus sex is all about pleasing men, which that kind of sex-negative thinking causes all sorts of societal issues for women. But, oh wait, sticking to that mindset gives a reason to rage more at men!
/r/MensRights20/06/10 06:52 PM
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