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LogisticsExpensiveGrave/r/seduction25/04/24 12:23 AM
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Success for dating apps looks like: Be significantly physically attractive (e.g. top 3% of height, good face) Have some form of status (e.g. lucrative career) Good photos + bio Success for real life looks like: Know where to go to meet approachable single women for your situation Extremely outgoing and good at talking to strangers in random and chaotic environments Be willing to approach and get rejected a lot The problems with dating apps are that they're extremely superficial. If you're not li…
/r/seduction10/07/24 03:03 PM
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Success helps get you through the failures. I’ll be honest, it does get easier even if you consistently fail but it doesn’t get that much easier… it never gets easy. It only gets a lot better when you actually have some certainty that it could workout. Which comes from having successes and remembering all the times it worked. The sarging approach with recklessness is just immature and insecure imo.
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:05 AM
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Same arguments are made for GTA. Are children going out and sleeping with hookers in their car then running them over to get their money back? Is that a massive issue we’re experiencing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:39 PM
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Almost all the OF/influencer girls I’ve met are expecting the man to shower them not just with dinners/dates/etc but also gifts and compliments. It’s like they need everything given to the max. Obviously all of them are super insecure and seek validation constantly. I think they view men as piggy banks and as a means to providing for themselves. Their view is either warped from the beginning (and thus why they get into OF/influencing) or it’s warped by their time in the industry - I’m not sure w…
/r/seduction08/07/24 12:26 PM
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Coping from people who have no clue and don't go out. A lot of idiotic opinions get upvoted to infinity here. The guy I replied to, for instance, doesn't even talk to anyone who isn't super nerdy or asian. He mostly does dating apps and doesn't do cold approach with a variety of women. So, of course he has no fucking clue.
/r/seduction08/07/24 12:21 AM
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I meet more women than 99% of users in this sub. I'm out in NYC everyday and talking to new women everyday. They all feel the same about tech workers. This guy is literally only going after super nerdy girls. That's an extreme niche that isn't even 10% of women out there. The vast majority of women absolutely hate tech workers.
/r/seduction07/07/24 03:53 PM
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I think you’ve got huge selection bias. Women at large fucking hate tech and tech workers. They hate Elon, Zuckerberg, etc. These guys are looked at as fucking lame ass autistic spergs. They’re not socially competent or seen as anything good. Elon is literally on the spectrum and Zuck is compared to a robot all the time. Think about it more dude.
/r/seduction07/07/24 02:28 PM
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I have lived in SF, Seattle, NYC, and others. All of them were very low status. I’m not sure how long ago you were in SF but it was low social status there as well. People took working in tech as a necessary sin but viewed it as low status. Women would gladly prefer to date in med/law/finance. This still rings true in every other city I’ve been in but since tech isn’t as big in any other place as SF (still huge in Seattle tbh) - people will completely avoid tech workers. Just do some simple TikT…
/r/seduction07/07/24 02:11 PM
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You’re in Europe. In the USA, it is an extremely low social status job. I’ve had so many women immediately leave the conversation as soon as I’ve said I work in tech. It doesn’t matter that they were having a great time before - they will immediately leave. In the US, it’s very very different.
/r/seduction07/07/24 01:34 PM
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Yes - western society is different due to women having their own means to self-sufficiency. This is almost entirely what causes so many of the dating problems we’re seeing. Add on that it’s just too hard to be a single provider as well and women see less value in men.
/r/seduction06/07/24 05:37 PM
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Women being on social media and dating apps too much has made them delusional about what to expect from men. See stupid shit like the sprinkle sprinkle woman - that’s in the mainstream consciousness now for many young women.
/r/seduction06/07/24 05:36 PM
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I don’t see this IRL at all.
/r/seduction06/07/24 03:21 PM
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I have never seen it for any kind of LTR. Maybe there are men that you think are mediocre but I've never seen men who are considered mediocre by the supermajority of women that are pulling baddies regularly.
/r/seduction06/07/24 03:05 PM
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Dude, it's a numbers game. They're approaching a lot. Girl is immediately unreceptive? Move on and go to the next. They won't even waste more than 15 seconds on a gal. The other thing is that some of these dudes are also well above average physically attractive. The ayo kiss guy is tall, handsome, great smile/teeth, and has a good physique that isn't intimidating. That's some top 1% shit. His experience in life is going to be wildly different than any normie.
/r/seduction06/07/24 02:34 PM
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This is a lame ass libbed up bluepill take. Hot girls do mostly date hot guys. Idk what world you guys live in but at least in the states - most couples are looks matched. If you want to be with a more attractive partner, you have to work on yourself heavily. Gain LBM, lose BF %, Botox, microneedling, tret, fin+min, etc. There’s a reason all that shit is exploding in popularity with men - it’s the only way to stay competitive. That said, you want to date a fuggo land whale then whatever. Women a…
/r/seduction06/07/24 02:19 PM
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Where the hell do you live? I can’t even imagine any women show up then.
/r/seduction06/07/24 01:05 PM
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This community has some idiots but almost no one here except the most mega of copers will say that looks don’t matter. If anything, blackpill mentality here is very alive and well. Looks definitely matter and are almost entirely what opens the door for you when it comes to meeting women. You have to meet a threshold to even hold a conversation. There will be different thresholds for every kind of interaction. Maybe she’d talk to you but would she make out with you five minutes into the conversat…
/r/seduction06/07/24 01:10 AM
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Let ϵ > 0.
/r/seduction03/07/24 10:50 PM
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Move on. They’re not interested. It couldn’t be anymore in your face and yet you ignore it. Work on yourself so that women want to talk to you. This usually means work on your physical appearance. You’re probably lacking like 95%+ of guys here.
/r/seduction03/07/24 03:19 PM
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Depends on your goals. If you want to just sleep around, it's probably fine. But in the same way that men look at women who post thirst traps all the time in a bad way for an LTR - women do too.
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:49 AM
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I agree people go. I’m not agreeing they find long term partners. The ways I mentioned plus dating apps are the main sources. Bar and clubs is super uncommon way to get into a LTR these days. Very few people are even talking to each other at these places. Some guys are sarging and looking for an easy lay but there’s almost no one looking for a LTR in these spots.
/r/seduction01/07/24 02:53 PM
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Man pressures woman to have sex shortly after meeting. Woman stands her ground. Man ends up respecting her more. In the other scenario where they end up having sex - he doesn’t end up seeing her later cause he thinks she’s just putting out for anyone and doesn’t see her as choosing/valuing him more than others. Common shit test but it’s obviously not as simple as “oh, I’ll pay” and then you have to force her to not pay. Different games.
/r/seduction01/07/24 02:51 PM
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Social group/friends, hobbies, gym. Those are a few ways I’ve met a lot of gals.
/r/seduction01/07/24 01:17 PM
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You’d be surprised but there are other places to meet women. Bars and clubs aren’t the way I’ve seen almost any relationships form in my friend group. It’s a very uncommon way to meet among the highly educated.
/r/seduction01/07/24 12:33 PM
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I would man but I don’t think clubs, bars, and such are gonna be the way I meet my future wife. I’m not really that interested in casual stuff these days. (If I ever was)
/r/seduction01/07/24 01:51 AM
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It's 100% that you actually have a shit face or shit physique. I mean, besides the bad mentality you clearly got going. There's no good reason an 5'11" Indian dude shouldn't be getting action. Tons of women here in NYC fetishize the shit out of Indian dudes. I have a friend who's slept with dozens of women and he's a 5'8" Indian guy. Most of them white btw.
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:31 PM
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I'm not saying Indian dudes are the Dutch or South Sudanese but the average height of a young Indian born male is about 5'9" now. That's near the average height of a young white American.
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:17 PM
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Some say to this day I never did. Honestly, my success has had a much more stronger correlation with improving my physical attractiveness than anything I ever did socially. Work on your looks is my suggestion. A lot of women won't comment on shit until they're already in bed with you. I slept with a woman this weekend that I have known for a couple months. We've only seen each other in person a few times. Met at a party of a mutual, invited her to one of my parties, and then invited her out to a…
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:15 PM
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A lot of brown guys think it's cause they're brown that they're "inferior." No, dude, it's cause you're either short, ugly, or have some other typical trait that is associated with unattractive men. I'm rarely hearing from 6'4" Indian dudes that they're having such a hard time cause they're "brown"/Indian. It's always some guy who's average or below height, facially ugly, and/or poor physique. Stop race blaming. I see a ton of Indian/brown dudes in NYC sleeping with tons of chicks. Newsflash - i…
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:06 PM
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Most of the advice is about moving on because it’s statistically super unlikely you’re going to be able to “win” someone over. Either they want you as you are or they don’t. The “maybe” response where great game can win someone over is very small and most men are overconfident and assume a lot of “no”s are maybes. Maybes are rare. Men just bad at judging women’s intentions. Anyway, it’s more effective and worthwhile to pursue other women and to build yourself. Trying to win over individual women…
/r/seduction30/06/24 10:35 AM
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Lmao. Definitely ugly. The fact you're struggling at all speaks volumes...
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:32 AM
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If you’re struggling anywhere else on the west coast - probably not very physically attractive. Physical attractiveness is paramount for LA. I wouldn’t bother.
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:02 AM
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🙄 another larper
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:01 AM
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I’d leave Seattle - and the west coast overall. It’s what I did. The gender ratio is really bad on the west coast. There’s at least two cities on the east coast where the gender ratio is decent (Philly and NYC). Downside, it’s still very competitive due to the sheer amount of people in these areas.
/r/seduction29/06/24 11:33 PM
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You must be a shitty host then? I invite over a lot of people to that degree as well. Being a good host means you’ll basically never get any significant 1:1 time with girls. You’re helping out your friends. As a host - you’re not gonna be able to get even depth with people.
/r/seduction29/06/24 11:30 PM
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I agree generally but my guess is that if you’re going through all this effort for the photo selection/taking, you’re very likely to be okay on those other fronts. Obviously, developing a serious physique isn’t something everyone can/will do. If you’re not fat, it’s then really on your face. Being really thin or skinny fat isn’t great but it shouldn’t be a complete barrier to entry for online dating if you’re otherwise good looking in the face. If you’ve got an ugly face (I do) then you’re going…
/r/seduction28/06/24 01:33 PM
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If you've done all these and it's still not working: Congrats, you're ugly. Please stop using dating apps.
/r/seduction28/06/24 12:06 PM
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I see hot dudes make this happen all the time. But, that is also their thing: They're hot.
/r/seduction28/06/24 12:04 PM
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Social hobby where gender balance is almost enforced by default. That’s the only one I ever met that worked out for any period of time. I’ve met a couple gals for sex at my gym (an unusually social and high end gym - I am not fit either btw) but everything else came from social hobby. It’s pretty hard everywhere if you’re fugly. There’s no solution.
/r/seduction27/06/24 03:24 PM
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I don't think I ever thought of them as "the one". I had listened to a lot of Dan Savage - and his phrase of, "There is no the one. There's only a bunch of people you round up to the one" had really sunk in for me. It doesn't mean I didn't get obsessive about a woman and too focused in. I remember being out at a park with a girl and I was just head over heels for some other woman. Objectively, the woman I was spending time with in the park right at that moment was more physically attractive. But…
/r/seduction26/06/24 02:32 PM
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Your reason is actually looked upon very well. I've been in the same position when I was 30 and most women found it very endearing. They thought, "Holy shit, this dude is actually quality and not a manwhore like everyone else I've met." If it was 1 because it was a one-time hookup in college then it would be different. You had a serious LTR and look to be very dedicated and not superficial/shallow/conquest oriented like many here.
/r/seduction26/06/24 02:24 PM
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I've done way more than what you're talking about. What you listed is a joke in terms of things to do. I exercise everyday, I track every meal down to the gram, I emphasize good sleep habits, I get my hormones checked regularly, and so on... Do I even look remotely jacked? Nope. Not all of us have genetics that lead to good looking bodies. Same with everything else. You're talking to one of the few guys on this sub who has done probably more than anyone you've ever met. It does not guarantee any…
/r/seduction19/06/24 11:55 PM
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I think a lot of us are looking for some perfect solution that will finally resolve all our problems. Another aspect of this is that I think we're all looking for a sense of agency. We want to have control and power over our outcomes. If you've gone to a good college, gotten a good job, etc. or have been on such a path - you're used to having agency. The reason you get the grade you get is because you studied hard, you worked hard, and you did your best on exams. If you didn't get the grade you …
/r/seduction19/06/24 04:45 PM
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Go on a cut, do some weight lifting during, eat lots of protein, and lose the fat. Just be skinny until the winter and then bulk up. You don’t want to have any kind of fat during the summer.
/r/seduction14/06/24 04:20 PM
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Almost all the women that I’ve slept with or had relations with were significantly attracted to me from the get go. There wasn’t some kind of, “mm, she doesn’t really like me.” It was almost always very clear eyes looking at me and so on. I generally agree that there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of action that you can do to affect results - other than fucking it up. The main thing I’ve noticed is guys not being forward enough with a woman who obviously likes them or saying really stuff the…
/r/seduction13/06/24 03:25 AM
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It really isn't. I live in NYC and I never see couples that aren't looksmatched when they first get together. I'm not including fake relationships like sugar ones and escorts and whatnot.
/r/seduction12/06/24 02:35 AM
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without a lot less life worries/stressors that those in the workforce had. This is the part where it varies a lot on your college. My college experience was 10x more stressful than my work experience. I've gotten acquired by FAANG, taken a company public, and dealt with startups that were completely on fire and tanking into the ground. All of that shit was easy compared to the Hunger Games that I endured in college. That said: If you' were social and outgoing, had various friends/groups, did var…
/r/seduction11/06/24 07:25 PM
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You have to actively work harder to make your own social group. A lot of jobs are inherently anti-social due to anti-labor movements of management. (Easier to keep your wages low when you won’t collaborate together and it’s every man for himself) Dating apps really only work for the top 10% of men and if you weren’t getting any in college from apps and you’re out there now and haven’t changed much… it won’t be different. Overall, I’d say it’s worse for the overwhelming majority. It’s why a lot o…
/r/seduction11/06/24 02:23 PM
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I don’t know any of these. Every guy I’ve seen who’s with a hot girl is pretty hot themselves. Overwhelmingly, most couples are looksmatched. I really don’t know any where I’m left wondering how this dude got with that woman.
/r/seduction11/06/24 02:02 PM
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A lot of women are awkward around new people. Regardless of their beauty or likability or whatnot. It’s not super common for women to be extremely socially competent around men every time. We act like women can do no wrong but they fuck up a ton. We’re just very forgiving.
/r/seduction06/06/24 03:21 AM
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It won’t save you. Such a weird post. 90%+ of guys are not built for cold approach on the street. I get this is a niche sub and will cater to that <10% more often but cold approach isn’t it. Neither is online dating obviously. Warm approach is where 90%+ of guys will be better off. Friends of friends. Hobbies. Parties. College. Somewhere you share something in common.
/r/seduction05/06/24 07:58 PM
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You’re looking to be a leech. People in these circles fucking hate this type of person. Bring yourself up first. Stop looking for handouts.
/r/seduction31/05/24 03:24 PM
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I don’t know any guys who started out fat with even modestly attractive girlfriends. This Reddit mainstream bullshit needs to stop. 90%+ of couples are looks matched when they met and the remaining few aren’t that big of a difference. Certainly not ugly fat dude and hot girl. Post these couples when they first met or stop saying it. Celebrities don’t count either.
/r/seduction31/05/24 04:04 AM
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More competitive is my guess. You went from a place where women aren’t evaluating you too hard to a place where women are. It’s all about the meme of being the hottest guy in the room. You just joined a much bigger room. You’re not gonna be the hottest guy anymore. That’s my guess. I see that kind of stuff happen to dudes all the time in places like NYC or wherever. They’re used to having an easy time in smaller venues then join a major city and realize that their charms and looks are incredibly…
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:28 PM
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Work on your looks. The problem almost entirely has to do with your looks. Get better haircuts, clothes, and religiously workout with weightlifting. Gain some serious muscle. The reason you’re not getting any traction is cause you’re ugly in some way and you need to address that first and foremost. Hot idiots with no social skills still get laid. Ugly ones don’t.
/r/seduction27/05/24 04:16 PM
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Most women on apps aren’t looking for dates or anything at all. They’re just there to collect matches and messages like Pokémon. This is the majority of women on apps who will match with you. So, ultimately, what you need to do is just put in low effort. Message something but don’t spend more than thirty seconds on it. If you can’t think of anything, come up with a line that you can use across multiple women and is generic and just save that for bland profiles that have nothing to go off of. Ult…
/r/seduction27/05/24 04:14 PM
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No one knows. You’re basically doing all there is. Social dancing these days is pretty whack as well. The crowd that goes dancing now is very different from pre-Covid and it’s pretty hard to find attractive women there, even in a place like NYC.
/r/seduction26/05/24 09:01 AM
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You can do some of these steps in parallel. For most men, tangible physique differences will take 2-3 years. Looking like you actually lift regularly will take 5+. There are always shortcuts (testosterone, freak genetics, starting fat and losing weight) but the guidelines are there. I’ve been working out pretty hard for 18 months and I can barely tell a difference. My dexascan basically just says I’m fat and all I’m seeing is fat on top of muscle which makes me appear more muscular than I am. Fo…
/r/seduction24/05/24 02:20 PM
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The regulars here won’t ever stop because they’re not interested in a real relationship. They just want casual sex and low commitment. Is it surprising to know that most people who spend a lot of time being single want to be single?
/r/seduction06/05/24 09:41 PM
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Plenty of people were raised by working parents and turned out fine. It’s delusional to think that if you have a stay at home parent then the kids will turn out great. Parent involvement helps but it’s ultimately about how the parent is involved that will dictate whether the kid turns out well.
/r/seduction06/05/24 09:39 PM
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Maybe because approaching like this rarely ever leads to a relationship and many here actually want a relationship? Not all of us want to be the wojak that’s being going around twitter having sex with a fat lady.
/r/seduction06/05/24 09:35 PM
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Idk man. I’ve met a lot of Indian women who shame their other Indian friends. It’s a thing here. Maybe it seems like it shouldn’t be but a lot of the culture comes over. A lot of it. Very few men I’ve ever met have dated an Indian woman because of it.
/r/seduction25/04/24 08:51 PM
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Im talking about women in the US though. The women living in India aren’t the same as ones that come over and live here.
/r/seduction25/04/24 07:17 PM
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Idk man. I’m just speaking from real world experience and having met a decent amount of Indian women. Most don’t do the clubbing and bar hopping thing and meeting men in random public spaces. I don’t even see that many dating outside their own race either.
/r/seduction25/04/24 03:41 PM
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South Asian girls are almost impossible to find in the wild alone. Anytime I go out, they’re in big groups with other Indian men. My assumption is that they’re all dating. I’ve talked to some Indian men that I know and they say it’s going to be impossible to meet an Indian woman irl at a bar or whatnot. It’s just too culturally frowned upon for an Indian woman to go out alone and actually talk to men at bars and such. I’ll agree that Indian gals tend to have better careers but it’s only going to…
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:49 PM
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Most nurses don’t make that much money. Most aren’t even getting near $150k and will need to live with roommates to get by in a place like nyc. There’s no women in tech. Women in finance I don’t ever meet irl. I’ve heard of them but I’ve never met any single ones while here in nyc. Most guys I know talk about their finance jobs mostly being a bunch of bros too.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:43 PM
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I don’t want to make it sound like women don’t care about looks at all in person. They definitely care and I’d still rank it as the most important factor. It’s just that online - that’s all you have to go off of. In real life, there’s more going on. Also, some people such as myself are obscenely unphotogenic. The common thing I get told is that in every photo of me people think I look like a different person and that I’m ugly in all of them. This is with professional photographers even. It’s kin…
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:41 PM
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It’s not a very social atmosphere from my experience. Been to a few dozen and at least at the places I’ve gone to - it’s very much show up and leave vibes. I’m sure it’d be different if I went to a yoga retreat or something but I’m not that into yoga. Imagine spending a week at a yoga camp just in hopes that you’d meet a single high income woman who is attractive and single - and you don’t even meet one or can’t connect with any cause it’s just not a match at all. Rough deal if you don’t even li…
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:37 PM
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I’m better at talking than 99% of men. It is not foolproof though. I’m not like some of the simpletons here who believe if you just traverse a dialogue tree perfectly then you’ll win over every woman in existence. There are some women out there who will have sex with men they don’t find that physically attractive every once in a while. They’re super rare but if there was someone to find them, it’s me. I’m out in the world a lot and meet a ton of people.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:17 PM
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Sometimes. You take what you can get. Beggars can’t be choosers. I’d love to meet women who I find attractive without a single repulsion and who were into me too but that’s like asking for the lottery at this point. Like I said, I’ve got a pretty ugly mug.
/r/seduction25/04/24 01:59 PM
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I’ve already had surgery. It really didn’t move the needle in my circumstance. I’m unfortunate in that my facial ugliness is just not something any surgeon out there can really fix. There’s a list of issues with it but it’s not really clear that any more surgery will “fix” it. If I go any further, I risk looking really bogged out and I don’t want that.
/r/seduction25/04/24 01:52 PM
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Already do this. It doesn’t help. It’s just more and more guys. Most of the guys have only met higher income women through their work (not the same field as me) or through dating apps.
/r/seduction25/04/24 01:48 PM
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I’ve done a ton of solo travel (year+). Rare to meet single long term oriented women, in my experience. I wouldn’t recommend it. I’ve been all over the world and found it very unfulfilling from a romantic perspective.
/r/seduction25/04/24 04:30 AM
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It's pretty hard to hide how much money you make. If someone tells me what they do for a living and how old they are, I usually have an idea of how much they make (or could make). I'm not meeting single women who have jobs like "lawyer", "doctor", "banker" etc. They just don't show up anywhere I've been.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:16 AM
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Tech. It's abhorrent.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:13 AM
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It really has no effect. The difference of doing a ton of lifting and going from 120lb to 170lb has made no difference in my dating life. Most women I've met care way more about face than they do about your body.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:12 AM
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I've considered going to things like Young Donors club for the Met and whatnot but I've heard from friends who go that it's not really single women who make their own money... it's mostly family money or sugar babies. I'm not interested in the strings attached to either of those. I'll consider going with one of my friends but - honestly - the guys I know don't go for women but literally for business deals and meeting future clients. It's a part of their sales pipeline but I don't do any sales.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:10 AM
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Only single women I can meet IRL are gold diggers. I know cause I meet them everyday. A ton are at my gym and have had sex with me in their pursuits of said endeavors. I'm just facially ugly. Most people assume I haven't had any work cause I'm still ugly, lol.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:05 AM
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I'm facially ugly. This is why I said it's a non-starter. I can manage something IRL but most women say I am physically repulsive in every photo they've ever seen of me. This is literally coming from women who have had sex with me and been in relationships with me. I've had professional photographers give up on me because they know it's an impossible ask. I'm just an uggo.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:04 AM
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It really doesn’t. It has 50% more single men than single women according to census data. Check Table B12002.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:41 AM
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Doesn’t really help given my situation.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:41 AM
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Already there. I haven’t been able to meet them IRL. Every high income woman I’ve met here is married and usually am meeting them through their spouse. I do all the usual things like bars, parties, etc. I’ve got a lot of friends here in nyc.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:36 AM
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Zero show up in my profession. It’s entirely men. Wish I was kidding.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:32 AM
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I’ve done plenty… I’m speaking from experience here.
/r/seduction14/04/24 08:19 PM
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Cold approach on the street barely works. I think it’s important to differentiate by types of “cold” approach. Meeting in a bar when you’re both out with friends is totally plausible. Meeting doing a hobby you’re both into or at the cold plunge at your gym - it’s still cold approach but now you have something in common other than being on the same planet. But the usual stuff where you’re browsing through a store, you hit on a woman, and it leads to everlasting love is a fairy tale. It might happ…
/r/seduction14/04/24 02:04 PM
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Most of the women you'll encounter on the singles market are toxic and problematic. Same can be somewhat true for a lot of the men that get around. It's why when you go on Craigslist and look for a car - it seems like everything is an insanely overpriced POS. Why is nothing listed near blue book value and it's all in terrible condition? It's because anything that is worth having and is priced reasonably will be taken off the market same day. You're left with a bunch of lemons because everyone to…
/r/seduction12/04/24 04:34 PM
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God damn terrible list. Improving your looks and getting into more social situations is all you should be doing. Everything else is entirely pointless to work on assuming you are not living with your parents and have stable employment/education. Apps, porn, etc. are all red herrings that people trying to sell you shit say all the time. Men who get laid a lot still watch a lot of porn. Apps are entirely looks based and unless you’re in the top 10% naturally - there’s no reason to use apps. Focusi…
/r/seduction11/04/24 08:44 PM
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I don’t find apps to be great. I don’t find clubs or bars to be great either. It’s like real life tinder. Maybe it works great if you’re a complete stud but I’m ugly in the face and short. Two things you can’t fix. Meeting people in social spaces where there’s some forced interaction is what I prefer but the numbers involved is extremely depressing (super super low turnover and definitely hard to find attractive singles). I’d love to approach in clubs or bars or whatever but I’ve never had a sin…
/r/seduction25/03/24 12:36 AM
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Three a day is pretty tough unless you’re going out every night and you know there’s gonna be fresh people at every place you go to. At that point, you’re going to be giving up something else in your life. Either you’re not focusing on your job, your health, your friends, or other commitments. You can’t have a demanding job, be building a physique, and keep in touch with your friends while doing that. Something has to give unless you are able to constantly meet people doing one of those other th…
/r/seduction22/03/24 02:44 PM
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There’s specific socially focused spa/sauna clubs. NYC has a lot of these.
/r/seduction17/03/24 01:54 PM
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Not entirely… Apps attract a certain woman and form a certain mindset when using the apps. The women I know personally who have said yes to me have admitted that if they saw me on an app, they would’ve said no. They’ve seen my profiles and said they were good but that ultimately I don’t sell well in images. The mentality most women have when swiping on an app isn’t the same as real life. I’ve had to check quite a few women on this and be like, “you realize this is a human being, right? A lot of …
/r/seduction08/03/24 12:03 AM
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A lot (if not most) women on dating apps are just there for validation and to collect on their ego. It’s why all the responses you get will be at like 1am when they’re sad and feeling insecure. Women only are doing it for their ego are only going to respond late at night. Women who are serious will respond whenever because they really want to meet up. If you’re getting the usual late night responses, she’s not serious.
/r/seduction05/03/24 04:24 PM
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You’re plan B or just matching with women who are fooling around. Supposedly 50%+ of women on dating apps don’t use them to even get dates - just validation. I know a lot of women personally who do this. They feel down at night, open an app, match with guys to feel better about themselves… and never respond to anything guys say unless said guy is very attractive.
/r/seduction04/03/24 08:24 PM
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There’s no strategy. It’s just be hot. That’s all it is. Tinder and other apps were originally designed for gay men. That’s how gay men operate and we’re trying to fit hetero people into it.
/r/seduction04/03/24 03:28 AM
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If you’re not a hot guy, you’re not going to get any results out of apps. You need to focus on your looks first. People talk about photos all the time but go over to the hinge subreddit and you’ll see plenty of guys with good photos but they’re ugly. There’s nothing those men can do. They need surgery to fix their problem - not a photographer.
/r/seduction04/03/24 12:26 AM
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It’s not really accurate. I know a lot of guys who have no real direction or passions. They get laid plenty and have women interested in them. End of the day, they have status and looks working for them. So the best way to attract someone? Be good looking. You’ll find that being really into something won’t attract anyone. Women don’t approach after all. You have to approach. Bad advice, tbh. Focus on what you need to do to attract women and get them to be interested in you. Focus on status (mone…
/r/seduction04/03/24 12:22 AM
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It’s good basic reading for most folks here. It is a bit out of date though when it comes to how prevalent online dating is for those out of college. That said, it’d have literally nothing of value to add in that space. Online dating is 90% about your looks, similar to any other cold approach method. The book would need an entire section dedicated to looksmaxxing and then another section dedicated to “joining a Tibetan monastery when cosmetic surgery can’t fix your uggo face.”
/r/seduction03/03/24 05:38 PM
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You just approach anyway. You need to work on making friends with men and women though - to where you feel comfortable enough around everyone. Might want to pick up some kind of public speaking or teaching role. Outside of that, looksmaxxing is the #1 priority that basically anyone who isn’t beautiful should be working on at all times. Everything else is barely influential compared to the physical attraction barrier that most men experience.
/r/seduction01/03/24 06:23 PM
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Most men struggle in the early stages of dating. Their biggest struggle is getting matches, getting numbers, and getting dates. There are very few men who are getting lots of dates but can’t seem to land a woman. For those few men, your points matter. But those men are really quite uncommon. Most men don’t have many sexual partners. Most men don’t get many dates. Most men don’t get matches on apps. It’s entirely due to their looks. Your charisma and whatnot is entirely irrelevant because those e…
/r/seduction29/02/24 04:48 AM
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Looksmaxxing is really the only thing that ever changed anything. It’s like the key and peele skit “okay”. It’s incredible how little effort is involved once you’re considered physically attractive.
/r/seduction29/02/24 04:30 AM
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Most men aren’t really getting any sustained eye contact from women. The men here who talk about getting lots of IOI are either bullshitting (very common), incredibly good looking (very unlikely that they’d be on here), or misreading the cues and pursuing anyway (most likely). Most women I’ve ever been interested in and had a relation with basically didn’t notice that I existed until I was in their face and talking to them. Some of them still found me attractive. I remember one - who I had seen …
/r/seduction29/02/24 04:24 AM
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The “direct” approach is really saying in your first two or three lines something about the way they look. This works for a particular type of woman… I think for many it’s a big turnoff. You know absolutely nothing about the woman before you’re going up to her. IMO, this is not a great strategy because you’re hoping she’s someone who receives that type of approach well but you don’t know. You want to craft your words to fit to an individual. I’ve known some very beautiful women (actually beautif…
/r/seduction27/02/24 12:57 AM
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Overthinking it. People say you want what you can’t have. The reason people say this is because most people have endless desire and will do endless comparison. What ends up happening is that someone has kids and then they go, "gosh, I'd like to live the life of someone who is childless..." Most don't actually want to experience that (thus why they had kids). They just want something different than the mundane life that they're living. It's a dumb saying that people misunderstand all the time. It…
/r/seduction26/02/24 06:21 PM
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This is a poor explanation of it, IMO. The issue isn't that the conversation is "linear". It's that she's not engaging at all. She doesn't ask you anything back. She doesn't try to learn more about you. Et cetera. A "linear" conversation can actually be great and very exciting. A woman who is deeply passionate about something or learns a lot about your passions might really resonate with her. You have a very "linear" conversation where it's entirely about a single subject but that can be enough …
/r/seduction26/02/24 06:14 PM
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It's not about convincing girls to like you. It's about putting yourself in front of girls who will like you. This is arguably the biggest keypoint for anyone reading. You really cannot do much to convince a woman to like you. If you meet a woman and she doesn't enjoy your company (regardless of the reason) then you need to move on. In the same way that someone puts a food you don't like in front of you, you can't help it but not like it. The way to get you to eat food isn't by shoving that in y…
/r/seduction26/02/24 03:29 AM
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I've been in your shoes. Age isn't really going to be your problem unless you're only looking for younger women. (<25) The only "women" who are open to a 10+ year age gap relationship are incredibly insecure and not really good wife material, if that's your objective. If you just want to sleep around with insecure girls then go for it. If you want someone for a LTR - it does get tougher the lower you go below 30 as you enter your mid-30's but it's hardly impossible. A lot of single women in thei…
/r/seduction26/02/24 03:21 AM
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Reminds me of the cringe PUA shit dudes would do in LA for one of the hikes that’s within the city. Incredibly cringe. You’re literally making the rest of us look worse.
/r/seduction24/02/24 09:00 PM
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Lots of copium here. I’ve known women who take plenty of fitness classes and whatnot. There is no consistency with them. I know ones who go to dive bars and those who go to high end places and those who never go to either. You’re really trying to use up all the copium reserves.
/r/seduction21/02/24 06:10 PM
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They really don't do anything different. There is very little in common with women doing yoga or pilates. They're just women who are focused on taking care of their image and that's about it. I know a lot of these women and there's very little that they all have in common.
/r/seduction21/02/24 03:26 PM
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They’re just normal gals. They don’t congregate anywhere special compared to others.
/r/seduction21/02/24 02:33 PM
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This is a great way to end up single forever. I know a lot of men who followed through on this type of lifestyle and they never meet single women. You have to do other things that involve meeting women. You can’t drive sports cars and ride motorcycles and expect to meet women. Same as if you played Tarkov all day, you’ll meet tons of men and never meet a single woman. Very bad advice.
/r/seduction21/02/24 02:29 PM
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It’s generally not good. Unless you happen to step into an unusually social scene, you won’t have any natural opportunities to chat. Most folks rush in, do the class, and then rush out. They’re not there to socialize even a little. I think the only natural way to chat is with the instructor and hope that leads to some kind of interaction with someone else. Even then though, you’re really forcing it. You can just cold approach gals but it’s pretty weird tbh. Same is true with yoga. Again, you’ll …
/r/seduction21/02/24 01:38 PM
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I wouldn’t say I’m scared. I would say that often I don’t get any welcoming vibe. In certain contexts, this lack of welcoming vibe is a non-issue. Often I’ll go to bars where there’s some live jazz music playing and ask gals to dance (other people are dancing too, it wouldn’t just be us). This is an extremely easy opener. When someone refuses in a weird way such as “oh, I don’t dance” or “I don’t know how” or something, I’ll make a quip about how it doesn’t matter and it’s fine. For some gals, t…
/r/seduction21/02/24 04:13 AM
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How do you do on dating apps? Are you getting a lot of matches? Are the photos decent? It's the most obvious way to tell how attractive you are. Friends will rarely say to someone directly that they are ugly or unattractive.
/r/seduction12/02/24 05:16 PM
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IMO - if you have the social intelligence, social skills, and the looks to pull off cold approach... You should have zero issues with dating apps, meeting women in bars, meeting at hobbies (assuming gender in your favor), etc. This is why I think cold approach is pretty useless for most men. I would not recommend it for your average guy out there. This is why I think cold approaching on the street/grocery-store is kinda wack in a big city like NYC. Of course, I know guys who have gotten dates ou…
/r/seduction12/02/24 05:08 PM
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Bro, you can’t really come up to a woman and be like, “I’m reading this book, what are your thoughts on Picasso?” That’s some weird ass shit. Maybe you could do that if she was reading the book… but she isn’t. She’s got her AirPods in cause she’s on the subway and trying to ignore random dudes who would come up with such a weird approach.
/r/seduction11/02/24 04:06 PM
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You have to go to the right bars at the right time. But generally, yeah, it’s not a great environment. Most women don’t know how to make themselves approachable and do honestly live by the “it’ll happen when you least expect it” type of mentality. This sadly means that when they go out, they’re often not really considering how to act in such a way that would allow the man of their dreams to approach them. It’s not even on their mind. Anyway, the usual trope advice is take up hobbies that have wo…
/r/seduction11/02/24 03:50 PM
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My point is: it’s a looks and culture thing. Dance just creates easier opportunities to approach. You’re not getting laid in swing unless you’re very attractive and even then - it doesn’t attract people who like to sleep around. I’ll also say that - tbh - I’ve seen guys who are quite good at salsa and bachata but don’t get any action. The instagram following stuff can help but … it’s really a looks thing and just being in a crowd that is more sleezy. If we go back to one of Mark Manson’s beliefs…
/r/seduction10/02/24 03:21 PM
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I do Latin dance as a hobbie and the dance instructors get laid a lot, similar concept I suppose You don't need to be a teacher for this. You just need to be good at dancing. If you compare the looks of people in dances such as swing vs salsa - you'll notice most of the guys are pretty undesirable looking in swing. Swing dance guys don't really get laid because they look like nerds and there's not much demand for such men - even if they're incredible dancers. The dance thing really just allows y…
/r/seduction10/02/24 04:26 AM
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He has a whole action plan in it man. Like come on. You need to really reread it and take it to heart. Its target audience isn’t super experienced men. It’s way more broad than that. The whole sex section is there for men like you who have no fucking clue what they’d be doing in that scenario!!
/r/seduction09/02/24 10:18 PM
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To be clear: Gay men finding you attractive means nothing. Gay men will have sex with literally any man. It means that they at least think you look physically like a man and that's it. Get a consultation and consider surgery. There's no reason to delay. You need to change something. Read the book btw. You sound like you have social problems with women. It is somewhat uncommon that a man is purely ugly and that is all his issue is. And now that I'm actively trying to improve myself and become bet…
/r/seduction09/02/24 10:02 PM
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That's kinda where I'm stuck, I've never met a woman who considered me attractive so I don't know what the recourse is for "approach" when I'm not attractive to women. There is none. You're looking for something magical when it doesn't exist. Ugly men struggle deeply with dating and many end up alone for most of their lives. You want to hear some quick fix but there isn't one. I don't know how old you are but I'd suggest investing heavily in finding out your true attractiveness and what you can …
/r/seduction09/02/24 09:09 PM
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The $100k compensation people talk about was most popular back near 1990 as a talking point. Today, that's equivalent to about $235k when using the little inflation calculators I see online. And while yes, ideally that inflation point would account for inflation of housing too but it doesn't. Houses in a lot of big cities are way more than 2.3x more expensive than they used to be. I just grabbed a random listing off of Zillow. In SF, a house listing for $2.4m right now was sold for $150k in 1997…
/r/seduction09/02/24 09:00 PM
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Probably a good candidate for reading Models by Mark Manson. It’s a quick read and you can find the PDF for it online rather easily even if you don’t wanna go to the library. Looks are a very important factor these days but you need to find ways to get yourself near a demographic that is into you. To some extent, there is a “like attracts like” mentality. As long as you think women only go for XYZ, you’ll magically only interact with those women. It’s not entirely true but you’ll often look at i…
/r/seduction09/02/24 02:57 PM
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