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Success helps get you through the failures. I’ll be honest, it does get easier even if you consistently fail but it doesn’t get that much easier… it never gets easy. It only gets a lot better when you actually have some certainty that it could workout. Which comes from having successes and remembering all the times it worked. The sarging approach with recklessness is just immature and insecure imo.
/r/seduction09/07/24 02:05 AM
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Almost all the OF/influencer girls I’ve met are expecting the man to shower them not just with dinners/dates/etc but also gifts and compliments. It’s like they need everything given to the max. Obviously all of them are super insecure and seek validation constantly. I think they view men as piggy banks and as a means to providing for themselves. Their view is either warped from the beginning (and thus why they get into OF/influencing) or it’s warped by their time in the industry - I’m not sure w…
/r/seduction08/07/24 12:26 PM
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Coping from people who have no clue and don't go out. A lot of idiotic opinions get upvoted to infinity here. The guy I replied to, for instance, doesn't even talk to anyone who isn't super nerdy or asian. He mostly does dating apps and doesn't do cold approach with a variety of women. So, of course he has no fucking clue.
/r/seduction08/07/24 12:21 AM
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I meet more women than 99% of users in this sub. I'm out in NYC everyday and talking to new women everyday. They all feel the same about tech workers. This guy is literally only going after super nerdy girls. That's an extreme niche that isn't even 10% of women out there. The vast majority of women absolutely hate tech workers.
/r/seduction07/07/24 03:53 PM
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I think you’ve got huge selection bias. Women at large fucking hate tech and tech workers. They hate Elon, Zuckerberg, etc. These guys are looked at as fucking lame ass autistic spergs. They’re not socially competent or seen as anything good. Elon is literally on the spectrum and Zuck is compared to a robot all the time. Think about it more dude.
/r/seduction07/07/24 02:28 PM
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I have lived in SF, Seattle, NYC, and others. All of them were very low status. I’m not sure how long ago you were in SF but it was low social status there as well. People took working in tech as a necessary sin but viewed it as low status. Women would gladly prefer to date in med/law/finance. This still rings true in every other city I’ve been in but since tech isn’t as big in any other place as SF (still huge in Seattle tbh) - people will completely avoid tech workers. Just do some simple TikT…
/r/seduction07/07/24 02:11 PM
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You’re in Europe. In the USA, it is an extremely low social status job. I’ve had so many women immediately leave the conversation as soon as I’ve said I work in tech. It doesn’t matter that they were having a great time before - they will immediately leave. In the US, it’s very very different.
/r/seduction07/07/24 01:34 PM
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Yes - western society is different due to women having their own means to self-sufficiency. This is almost entirely what causes so many of the dating problems we’re seeing. Add on that it’s just too hard to be a single provider as well and women see less value in men.
/r/seduction06/07/24 05:37 PM
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Women being on social media and dating apps too much has made them delusional about what to expect from men. See stupid shit like the sprinkle sprinkle woman - that’s in the mainstream consciousness now for many young women.
/r/seduction06/07/24 05:36 PM
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I don’t see this IRL at all.
/r/seduction06/07/24 03:21 PM
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I have never seen it for any kind of LTR. Maybe there are men that you think are mediocre but I've never seen men who are considered mediocre by the supermajority of women that are pulling baddies regularly.
/r/seduction06/07/24 03:05 PM
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Dude, it's a numbers game. They're approaching a lot. Girl is immediately unreceptive? Move on and go to the next. They won't even waste more than 15 seconds on a gal. The other thing is that some of these dudes are also well above average physically attractive. The ayo kiss guy is tall, handsome, great smile/teeth, and has a good physique that isn't intimidating. That's some top 1% shit. His experience in life is going to be wildly different than any normie.
/r/seduction06/07/24 02:34 PM
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This is a lame ass libbed up bluepill take. Hot girls do mostly date hot guys. Idk what world you guys live in but at least in the states - most couples are looks matched. If you want to be with a more attractive partner, you have to work on yourself heavily. Gain LBM, lose BF %, Botox, microneedling, tret, fin+min, etc. There’s a reason all that shit is exploding in popularity with men - it’s the only way to stay competitive. That said, you want to date a fuggo land whale then whatever. Women a…
/r/seduction06/07/24 02:19 PM
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Where the hell do you live? I can’t even imagine any women show up then.
/r/seduction06/07/24 01:05 PM
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This community has some idiots but almost no one here except the most mega of copers will say that looks don’t matter. If anything, blackpill mentality here is very alive and well. Looks definitely matter and are almost entirely what opens the door for you when it comes to meeting women. You have to meet a threshold to even hold a conversation. There will be different thresholds for every kind of interaction. Maybe she’d talk to you but would she make out with you five minutes into the conversat…
/r/seduction06/07/24 01:10 AM
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Let ϵ > 0.
/r/seduction03/07/24 10:50 PM
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Move on. They’re not interested. It couldn’t be anymore in your face and yet you ignore it. Work on yourself so that women want to talk to you. This usually means work on your physical appearance. You’re probably lacking like 95%+ of guys here.
/r/seduction03/07/24 03:19 PM
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Depends on your goals. If you want to just sleep around, it's probably fine. But in the same way that men look at women who post thirst traps all the time in a bad way for an LTR - women do too.
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:49 AM
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It's 100% that you actually have a shit face or shit physique. I mean, besides the bad mentality you clearly got going. There's no good reason an 5'11" Indian dude shouldn't be getting action. Tons of women here in NYC fetishize the shit out of Indian dudes. I have a friend who's slept with dozens of women and he's a 5'8" Indian guy. Most of them white btw.
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:31 PM
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I'm not saying Indian dudes are the Dutch or South Sudanese but the average height of a young Indian born male is about 5'9" now. That's near the average height of a young white American.
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:17 PM
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Some say to this day I never did. Honestly, my success has had a much more stronger correlation with improving my physical attractiveness than anything I ever did socially. Work on your looks is my suggestion. A lot of women won't comment on shit until they're already in bed with you. I slept with a woman this weekend that I have known for a couple months. We've only seen each other in person a few times. Met at a party of a mutual, invited her to one of my parties, and then invited her out to a…
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:15 PM
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A lot of brown guys think it's cause they're brown that they're "inferior." No, dude, it's cause you're either short, ugly, or have some other typical trait that is associated with unattractive men. I'm rarely hearing from 6'4" Indian dudes that they're having such a hard time cause they're "brown"/Indian. It's always some guy who's average or below height, facially ugly, and/or poor physique. Stop race blaming. I see a ton of Indian/brown dudes in NYC sleeping with tons of chicks. Newsflash - i…
/r/seduction30/06/24 04:06 PM
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Most of the advice is about moving on because it’s statistically super unlikely you’re going to be able to “win” someone over. Either they want you as you are or they don’t. The “maybe” response where great game can win someone over is very small and most men are overconfident and assume a lot of “no”s are maybes. Maybes are rare. Men just bad at judging women’s intentions. Anyway, it’s more effective and worthwhile to pursue other women and to build yourself. Trying to win over individual women…
/r/seduction30/06/24 10:35 AM
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Lmao. Definitely ugly. The fact you're struggling at all speaks volumes...
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:32 AM
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If you’re struggling anywhere else on the west coast - probably not very physically attractive. Physical attractiveness is paramount for LA. I wouldn’t bother.
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:02 AM
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🙄 another larper
/r/seduction30/06/24 12:01 AM
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I’d leave Seattle - and the west coast overall. It’s what I did. The gender ratio is really bad on the west coast. There’s at least two cities on the east coast where the gender ratio is decent (Philly and NYC). Downside, it’s still very competitive due to the sheer amount of people in these areas.
/r/seduction29/06/24 11:33 PM
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You must be a shitty host then? I invite over a lot of people to that degree as well. Being a good host means you’ll basically never get any significant 1:1 time with girls. You’re helping out your friends. As a host - you’re not gonna be able to get even depth with people.
/r/seduction29/06/24 11:30 PM
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I agree generally but my guess is that if you’re going through all this effort for the photo selection/taking, you’re very likely to be okay on those other fronts. Obviously, developing a serious physique isn’t something everyone can/will do. If you’re not fat, it’s then really on your face. Being really thin or skinny fat isn’t great but it shouldn’t be a complete barrier to entry for online dating if you’re otherwise good looking in the face. If you’ve got an ugly face (I do) then you’re going…
/r/seduction28/06/24 01:33 PM
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If you've done all these and it's still not working: Congrats, you're ugly. Please stop using dating apps.
/r/seduction28/06/24 12:06 PM
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I see hot dudes make this happen all the time. But, that is also their thing: They're hot.
/r/seduction28/06/24 12:04 PM
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Social hobby where gender balance is almost enforced by default. That’s the only one I ever met that worked out for any period of time. I’ve met a couple gals for sex at my gym (an unusually social and high end gym - I am not fit either btw) but everything else came from social hobby. It’s pretty hard everywhere if you’re fugly. There’s no solution.
/r/seduction27/06/24 03:24 PM
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I don't think I ever thought of them as "the one". I had listened to a lot of Dan Savage - and his phrase of, "There is no the one. There's only a bunch of people you round up to the one" had really sunk in for me. It doesn't mean I didn't get obsessive about a woman and too focused in. I remember being out at a park with a girl and I was just head over heels for some other woman. Objectively, the woman I was spending time with in the park right at that moment was more physically attractive. But…
/r/seduction26/06/24 02:32 PM
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Your reason is actually looked upon very well. I've been in the same position when I was 30 and most women found it very endearing. They thought, "Holy shit, this dude is actually quality and not a manwhore like everyone else I've met." If it was 1 because it was a one-time hookup in college then it would be different. You had a serious LTR and look to be very dedicated and not superficial/shallow/conquest oriented like many here.
/r/seduction26/06/24 02:24 PM
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I've done way more than what you're talking about. What you listed is a joke in terms of things to do. I exercise everyday, I track every meal down to the gram, I emphasize good sleep habits, I get my hormones checked regularly, and so on... Do I even look remotely jacked? Nope. Not all of us have genetics that lead to good looking bodies. Same with everything else. You're talking to one of the few guys on this sub who has done probably more than anyone you've ever met. It does not guarantee any…
/r/seduction19/06/24 11:55 PM
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I think a lot of us are looking for some perfect solution that will finally resolve all our problems. Another aspect of this is that I think we're all looking for a sense of agency. We want to have control and power over our outcomes. If you've gone to a good college, gotten a good job, etc. or have been on such a path - you're used to having agency. The reason you get the grade you get is because you studied hard, you worked hard, and you did your best on exams. If you didn't get the grade you …
/r/seduction19/06/24 04:45 PM
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Go on a cut, do some weight lifting during, eat lots of protein, and lose the fat. Just be skinny until the winter and then bulk up. You don’t want to have any kind of fat during the summer.
/r/seduction14/06/24 04:20 PM
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Almost all the women that I’ve slept with or had relations with were significantly attracted to me from the get go. There wasn’t some kind of, “mm, she doesn’t really like me.” It was almost always very clear eyes looking at me and so on. I generally agree that there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of action that you can do to affect results - other than fucking it up. The main thing I’ve noticed is guys not being forward enough with a woman who obviously likes them or saying really stuff the…
/r/seduction13/06/24 03:25 AM
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without a lot less life worries/stressors that those in the workforce had. This is the part where it varies a lot on your college. My college experience was 10x more stressful than my work experience. I've gotten acquired by FAANG, taken a company public, and dealt with startups that were completely on fire and tanking into the ground. All of that shit was easy compared to the Hunger Games that I endured in college. That said: If you' were social and outgoing, had various friends/groups, did var…
/r/seduction11/06/24 07:25 PM
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You have to actively work harder to make your own social group. A lot of jobs are inherently anti-social due to anti-labor movements of management. (Easier to keep your wages low when you won’t collaborate together and it’s every man for himself) Dating apps really only work for the top 10% of men and if you weren’t getting any in college from apps and you’re out there now and haven’t changed much… it won’t be different. Overall, I’d say it’s worse for the overwhelming majority. It’s why a lot o…
/r/seduction11/06/24 02:23 PM
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A lot of women are awkward around new people. Regardless of their beauty or likability or whatnot. It’s not super common for women to be extremely socially competent around men every time. We act like women can do no wrong but they fuck up a ton. We’re just very forgiving.
/r/seduction06/06/24 03:21 AM
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It won’t save you. Such a weird post. 90%+ of guys are not built for cold approach on the street. I get this is a niche sub and will cater to that <10% more often but cold approach isn’t it. Neither is online dating obviously. Warm approach is where 90%+ of guys will be better off. Friends of friends. Hobbies. Parties. College. Somewhere you share something in common.
/r/seduction05/06/24 07:58 PM
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You’re looking to be a leech. People in these circles fucking hate this type of person. Bring yourself up first. Stop looking for handouts.
/r/seduction31/05/24 03:24 PM
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I don’t know any guys who started out fat with even modestly attractive girlfriends. This Reddit mainstream bullshit needs to stop. 90%+ of couples are looks matched when they met and the remaining few aren’t that big of a difference. Certainly not ugly fat dude and hot girl. Post these couples when they first met or stop saying it. Celebrities don’t count either.
/r/seduction31/05/24 04:04 AM
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More competitive is my guess. You went from a place where women aren’t evaluating you too hard to a place where women are. It’s all about the meme of being the hottest guy in the room. You just joined a much bigger room. You’re not gonna be the hottest guy anymore. That’s my guess. I see that kind of stuff happen to dudes all the time in places like NYC or wherever. They’re used to having an easy time in smaller venues then join a major city and realize that their charms and looks are incredibly…
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:28 PM
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Work on your looks. The problem almost entirely has to do with your looks. Get better haircuts, clothes, and religiously workout with weightlifting. Gain some serious muscle. The reason you’re not getting any traction is cause you’re ugly in some way and you need to address that first and foremost. Hot idiots with no social skills still get laid. Ugly ones don’t.
/r/seduction27/05/24 04:16 PM
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Most women on apps aren’t looking for dates or anything at all. They’re just there to collect matches and messages like Pokémon. This is the majority of women on apps who will match with you. So, ultimately, what you need to do is just put in low effort. Message something but don’t spend more than thirty seconds on it. If you can’t think of anything, come up with a line that you can use across multiple women and is generic and just save that for bland profiles that have nothing to go off of. Ult…
/r/seduction27/05/24 04:14 PM
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No one knows. You’re basically doing all there is. Social dancing these days is pretty whack as well. The crowd that goes dancing now is very different from pre-Covid and it’s pretty hard to find attractive women there, even in a place like NYC.
/r/seduction26/05/24 09:01 AM
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You can do some of these steps in parallel. For most men, tangible physique differences will take 2-3 years. Looking like you actually lift regularly will take 5+. There are always shortcuts (testosterone, freak genetics, starting fat and losing weight) but the guidelines are there. I’ve been working out pretty hard for 18 months and I can barely tell a difference. My dexascan basically just says I’m fat and all I’m seeing is fat on top of muscle which makes me appear more muscular than I am. Fo…
/r/seduction24/05/24 02:20 PM
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Idk man. I’ve met a lot of Indian women who shame their other Indian friends. It’s a thing here. Maybe it seems like it shouldn’t be but a lot of the culture comes over. A lot of it. Very few men I’ve ever met have dated an Indian woman because of it.
/r/seduction25/04/24 08:51 PM
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Im talking about women in the US though. The women living in India aren’t the same as ones that come over and live here.
/r/seduction25/04/24 07:17 PM
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Idk man. I’m just speaking from real world experience and having met a decent amount of Indian women. Most don’t do the clubbing and bar hopping thing and meeting men in random public spaces. I don’t even see that many dating outside their own race either.
/r/seduction25/04/24 03:41 PM
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South Asian girls are almost impossible to find in the wild alone. Anytime I go out, they’re in big groups with other Indian men. My assumption is that they’re all dating. I’ve talked to some Indian men that I know and they say it’s going to be impossible to meet an Indian woman irl at a bar or whatnot. It’s just too culturally frowned upon for an Indian woman to go out alone and actually talk to men at bars and such. I’ll agree that Indian gals tend to have better careers but it’s only going to…
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:49 PM
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Most nurses don’t make that much money. Most aren’t even getting near $150k and will need to live with roommates to get by in a place like nyc. There’s no women in tech. Women in finance I don’t ever meet irl. I’ve heard of them but I’ve never met any single ones while here in nyc. Most guys I know talk about their finance jobs mostly being a bunch of bros too.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:43 PM
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I don’t want to make it sound like women don’t care about looks at all in person. They definitely care and I’d still rank it as the most important factor. It’s just that online - that’s all you have to go off of. In real life, there’s more going on. Also, some people such as myself are obscenely unphotogenic. The common thing I get told is that in every photo of me people think I look like a different person and that I’m ugly in all of them. This is with professional photographers even. It’s kin…
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:41 PM
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It’s not a very social atmosphere from my experience. Been to a few dozen and at least at the places I’ve gone to - it’s very much show up and leave vibes. I’m sure it’d be different if I went to a yoga retreat or something but I’m not that into yoga. Imagine spending a week at a yoga camp just in hopes that you’d meet a single high income woman who is attractive and single - and you don’t even meet one or can’t connect with any cause it’s just not a match at all. Rough deal if you don’t even li…
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:37 PM
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I’m better at talking than 99% of men. It is not foolproof though. I’m not like some of the simpletons here who believe if you just traverse a dialogue tree perfectly then you’ll win over every woman in existence. There are some women out there who will have sex with men they don’t find that physically attractive every once in a while. They’re super rare but if there was someone to find them, it’s me. I’m out in the world a lot and meet a ton of people.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:17 PM
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Sometimes. You take what you can get. Beggars can’t be choosers. I’d love to meet women who I find attractive without a single repulsion and who were into me too but that’s like asking for the lottery at this point. Like I said, I’ve got a pretty ugly mug.
/r/seduction25/04/24 01:59 PM
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I’ve already had surgery. It really didn’t move the needle in my circumstance. I’m unfortunate in that my facial ugliness is just not something any surgeon out there can really fix. There’s a list of issues with it but it’s not really clear that any more surgery will “fix” it. If I go any further, I risk looking really bogged out and I don’t want that.
/r/seduction25/04/24 01:52 PM
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Already do this. It doesn’t help. It’s just more and more guys. Most of the guys have only met higher income women through their work (not the same field as me) or through dating apps.
/r/seduction25/04/24 01:48 PM
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I’ve done a ton of solo travel (year+). Rare to meet single long term oriented women, in my experience. I wouldn’t recommend it. I’ve been all over the world and found it very unfulfilling from a romantic perspective.
/r/seduction25/04/24 04:30 AM
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It's pretty hard to hide how much money you make. If someone tells me what they do for a living and how old they are, I usually have an idea of how much they make (or could make). I'm not meeting single women who have jobs like "lawyer", "doctor", "banker" etc. They just don't show up anywhere I've been.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:16 AM
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Tech. It's abhorrent.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:13 AM
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It really has no effect. The difference of doing a ton of lifting and going from 120lb to 170lb has made no difference in my dating life. Most women I've met care way more about face than they do about your body.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:12 AM
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I've considered going to things like Young Donors club for the Met and whatnot but I've heard from friends who go that it's not really single women who make their own money... it's mostly family money or sugar babies. I'm not interested in the strings attached to either of those. I'll consider going with one of my friends but - honestly - the guys I know don't go for women but literally for business deals and meeting future clients. It's a part of their sales pipeline but I don't do any sales.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:10 AM
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Only single women I can meet IRL are gold diggers. I know cause I meet them everyday. A ton are at my gym and have had sex with me in their pursuits of said endeavors. I'm just facially ugly. Most people assume I haven't had any work cause I'm still ugly, lol.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:05 AM
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I'm facially ugly. This is why I said it's a non-starter. I can manage something IRL but most women say I am physically repulsive in every photo they've ever seen of me. This is literally coming from women who have had sex with me and been in relationships with me. I've had professional photographers give up on me because they know it's an impossible ask. I'm just an uggo.
/r/seduction25/04/24 02:04 AM
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It really doesn’t. It has 50% more single men than single women according to census data. Check Table B12002.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:41 AM
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Doesn’t really help given my situation.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:41 AM
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Already there. I haven’t been able to meet them IRL. Every high income woman I’ve met here is married and usually am meeting them through their spouse. I do all the usual things like bars, parties, etc. I’ve got a lot of friends here in nyc.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:36 AM
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Zero show up in my profession. It’s entirely men. Wish I was kidding.
/r/seduction25/04/24 12:32 AM
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I’ve done plenty… I’m speaking from experience here.
/r/seduction14/04/24 08:19 PM
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Cold approach on the street barely works. I think it’s important to differentiate by types of “cold” approach. Meeting in a bar when you’re both out with friends is totally plausible. Meeting doing a hobby you’re both into or at the cold plunge at your gym - it’s still cold approach but now you have something in common other than being on the same planet. But the usual stuff where you’re browsing through a store, you hit on a woman, and it leads to everlasting love is a fairy tale. It might happ…
/r/seduction14/04/24 02:04 PM
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God damn terrible list. Improving your looks and getting into more social situations is all you should be doing. Everything else is entirely pointless to work on assuming you are not living with your parents and have stable employment/education. Apps, porn, etc. are all red herrings that people trying to sell you shit say all the time. Men who get laid a lot still watch a lot of porn. Apps are entirely looks based and unless you’re in the top 10% naturally - there’s no reason to use apps. Focusi…
/r/seduction11/04/24 08:44 PM
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I don’t find apps to be great. I don’t find clubs or bars to be great either. It’s like real life tinder. Maybe it works great if you’re a complete stud but I’m ugly in the face and short. Two things you can’t fix. Meeting people in social spaces where there’s some forced interaction is what I prefer but the numbers involved is extremely depressing (super super low turnover and definitely hard to find attractive singles). I’d love to approach in clubs or bars or whatever but I’ve never had a sin…
/r/seduction25/03/24 12:36 AM
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Three a day is pretty tough unless you’re going out every night and you know there’s gonna be fresh people at every place you go to. At that point, you’re going to be giving up something else in your life. Either you’re not focusing on your job, your health, your friends, or other commitments. You can’t have a demanding job, be building a physique, and keep in touch with your friends while doing that. Something has to give unless you are able to constantly meet people doing one of those other th…
/r/seduction22/03/24 02:44 PM
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