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And now you're doing it to me. Jesus. Blocked. That is to say, you're insinuating paedophilia this time, instead of homophobia.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:49 AM
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I don't think I need to explain, but let's continue this charade: Homophobia can also be insinuating someone's sexuality is homosexual in order to make them feel bad. Because it perpetuates that there is something wrong with it.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:41 AM
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I didn't really have a complaint with you in this thread. Just adding that toxic femininity wasn't really a term until maybe a few years ago, and that feminists used other, more helpful, terms prior to that.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:39 AM
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I think people can read.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:36 AM
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Of course, where did I imply otherwise?
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:30 AM
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Out comes the homophobia. Nice.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:29 AM
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Sorry, I was trying to be too subtle. When I said, "In the case of Toxic Masculinity, they seem to have been pretty damned clear about how toxic it is to women too", my implication was that, if TM is supposed to be bad for men themselves, that message hasn't cut through in the mainstream. It's become just another way to blame men for hurting women.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:25 AM
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Not sure if you missed my point.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:14 AM
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Oh yeah, I think there's a lot of parents trying to do it for the wrong reasons, which is also what makes it so dangerous.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:06 AM
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I guess, if I'm being charitable, I'd say unisex childrearing would be allowing the child to always be able to choose between traditional "boys" things and traditional "girls" things: trucks and dolls, blue and pink, horseplay and tea parties. I wouldn't trust any fallible human parent to actually be able to do it with any consistency or integrity though, so I agree it's dangerous.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 06:04 AM
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Sure, but they called it "internalised misogyny", which targets the system and declares victims as victims. Oh, and an alternative is "benevolent sexism". EDIT: One other thought: most feminisms were pretty damned clear about how toxic it is to women. In the case of Toxic Masculinity, they seem to have been pretty damned clear about how toxic it is to women too.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 05:58 AM
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If parents are denying their kids healthy horseplay then they're not really raising them as "unisex", but just in too limited a way, regardless of gender.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 05:56 AM
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This is something that every single feminist I have read about and met want to dismantle... Don't force anyone into boxes and call out all forms of sexual abuse. You might want to consider why these messages are not coming across clearer, because I think most people here would agree with both of them. Just a suggestion, but the feminist vocabulary you used in your comment is probably unhelpful on a forum like this. "Toxic Masculinity" is a term associated with blame of men, not liberation of men…
/r/MensRights24/04/22 05:49 AM
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We don't need to employ such binary thinking. Some aspects and expressions of traditional femininities can be unhealthy for women, just as some aspects and expressions of traditional masculinities can be unhealthy for men. But feminists weren't stupid enough to give problems with traditional femininities the name "toxic femininity", because they knew that they needed to get other women on board with challenging them instead of off-side.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 05:36 AM
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I probably should have said, "not to demonise women as a group", but I thought that was inherent in the word "demonise".
/r/MensRights22/04/22 06:43 AM
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I had a fairly abstract insight related to this recently. If we see gender roles / expectations as part of a self-maintaining system, then men's part in reinforcing that system has been declining rapidly, especially in the last 50 years. Men's hard power has declined (especially in areas like education), but men's soft power has almost flatlined - whether we look at fatherhood or the disappearance of male social groups. The fabled "locker room talk" that maintains the patriarchy is not a thing f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 06:42 AM
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It's why there's no equivalent to slut that hurts men's feelings. Virgin. Incel.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 05:07 AM
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Yeah, I was going to say that humanism is more of a Renaissance philosophy about centring the world around humans (though not necessarily with a view to dismantling the divine - that came later).
/r/MensRights22/04/22 05:04 AM
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You're getting a range of different advice here, and it will depend on what works for you. I'd echo others that finding social outlets is key, especially ones that are centred around a shared activity or interest, whether that's fitness, the outdoors, or board games. In my experience, you don't have to get blind stinking drunk to be able to go out with friends who are drinking, but if you have good reason to be concerned that you will experience a problem with addiction then it is best to avoid …
/r/MensRights22/04/22 04:49 AM
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You still aren't understanding anything I've said, or you're a troll. Just forget it. Blocked.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 04:32 AM
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So anyway moral is, don’t assume being gay is emasculating That's not the moral here, because both of us already knew that, didn't we?
/r/MensRights22/04/22 04:23 AM
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No, I surmised that you hoped that he would assume that being gay would emasculate him. Since you won't let this go, let me quote back to you what you said: "And if you think this terribly about women, have you thought about the fact you might be gay? Try a man. See how that goes hunny" You could have just said, "It sounds like you maybe aren't interested in women." Instead, you tied homosexuality with him thinking "terribly" about women (as a rule, gay men do not think "terribly" about women). …
/r/MensRights22/04/22 04:08 AM
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I'll accept that you're not being deliberately obtuse about this or playing innocent.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 04:02 AM
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We're obviously talking past eachother. There's nothing emasculating about being gay, of course. But traditional standards of masculinity say that there is, and people still employ them when they want to "take down" someone who is male.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 02:03 AM
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"Accusing" a man of being gay is a time-honoured toxic attempt to emasculate him. It shouldn't be (of course), but it is. As a gay man, I've experienced that sort of "humour" from women several times in my life, usually before they realise that I am actually gay.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:58 AM
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If the U.S. or Western Europe ever has to go back to serious conscription, women will be inducted, too. It’s already being discussed in fact. Of course, many things are discussed, but what happened in Ukraine (men not permitted to leave) actually happened. Anyway, I don't see the point in debating this. We both agree that male-only conscription isn't a feminist conspiracy.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:54 AM
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They won't if it's gender neutral, no.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:38 AM
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Yeah, I didn't think you'd own up to it.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:37 AM
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If Ukraine tells us anything, it is that the world is changing. The European peninsula is well on the way to returning to its historically normative state - an assortment of bellicose nations constantly at war with eachother. The US is no more than a couple of elections away from another strongman, this time with more intelligence and autocratic ambition than Trump ever had. You and I inhabit other parts of the world that may avoid these outcomes, but the trend away from conscription worldwide i…
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:35 AM
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So why did you advise him to consider that he might be gay, unless you were (gasp) employing toxic gender expectations on a man (which have often been linked to homophobia) to embarrass him?
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:27 AM
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Usually by guys whose closet proximity to military service has been playing Call of Duty. Not sure what that has to do with it. The boys thrown into the meat grinder in WWI also had no experience with military service. Anyway, it seems like you want me to agree with your critique, even though you've got no reason to think I'd disagree. So here it is: Yes, you're right. Some of the people on this sub want to attribute everything, including conscription, to a great feminist conspiracy to oppress m…
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:24 AM
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Isn’t something like 23% of Ukraine’s armed forces women? And that’s without conscription. Assuming that's true, none of those women have to do it, so it's not conscription. You introduced the topic of conscription to this conversation.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:12 AM
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Yeah, I'm not giving them that much credit. The ad was just a monumental blunder that totally misread how to appeal to men. FWIW, I think Movember does some great stuff. It's probably not perfect, but it brings a lot of attention to issues like men's suicide and mental health in my country.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:09 AM
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Gay men don't "think terribly about women". I'm also literally gay.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:07 AM
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The biggest mistake people make about the infamous Gillette ad is that it was for men. It wasn't. It was cynically cashing in on the rise of #metoo, but it backfired because it did it so hamfistedly and with such relentless negativity. It was designed to appeal to women and to a subset of men who see themselves as more evolved and progressive than the rest, but it even managed to turn some of those men against them because companies doing PSAs are viewed with much more scepticism now than in the…
/r/MensRights21/04/22 10:57 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It sounds really rough, and the person you were interacting with clearly had little understanding and sympathy. Is there any government support or social housing that you can access for your mental health and accommodation? A free counselling service? Mental health is still poorly addressed for everyone, but I think it can be particularly bad for men because we're expected to have it all together all the time.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 10:23 PM
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And if you think this terribly about women, have you thought about the fact you might be gay? Try a man. See how that goes hunny Hmm, and homophobia. Gay men think terribly about women?
/r/MensRights21/04/22 10:18 PM
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This case definitely didn't open up any eyes. You might have missed it, but a lot of people like to portray almost all intimate partner violence and domestic violence as entirely one-way and gendered (male perpetrator + female victim). It has been gradually improving, but this case is a good reminder for those who are still in denial.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 10:14 PM
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When [your] big oppression is something that isn’t happening You've been seeing a lot of posts about conscription lately because it's topical (Ukraine). When it comes to the draft and abortion, a country like the USA demonstrates both sides of gender-based control. It still has a draft sign-up for men - and those who think it would be difficult to activate it are kidding themselves - and it still tries to control women's reproduction more than many other developed nations. They mirror eachother.…
/r/MensRights21/04/22 09:13 PM
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Don’t move the goal posts, now! That's right dammit! First rule of Reddit is that it's more important to be gotcha'd in a rhetorical fight than to engage in real conversation.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 06:38 AM
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you are a fanatic who believes that a uniaxial analysis will account for everything we see in the social world I never said anything about analysis. We were talking about "supporting" and "doing shit". Nothing proves better than Occupy Wall Street that you can effectively destroy a nascient movement by making it about every other subissue than the main one that launched it. That’s not “Nirvana”, friend: that’s the common reality here. You're aware that more countries than ever are actually consi…
/r/MensRights21/04/22 05:09 AM
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They don't really understand what they're saying. They know that the prospect of a large, unattached and socially isolated population of men is dangerous for society, but they can't put it together that the solution might need to address systemic problems too. The solution given at the end is laughable in its naivety.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 04:36 AM
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Holy shit. Is this for real? This is basically "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". So fucking progressive... EDIT: Yeah, I want to say more. This is sadly typical of the entire Conversation our culture always has about masculinity. We're slowly getting more and more admissions of how men are falling behind, etc. but then it's just the same old "just get out there and fix yourself" advice. Men have all the agency, everything gets served to us on a silver platter, so if things suck for us obvio…
/r/MensRights21/04/22 04:24 AM
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I don’t see them doing shit on gay men’s issues, though. I think some of this is owing to a suspicion of intersectionality as an approach. I've noted a common view that narrowing the focus to subgroups (black men, gay men, trans men) etc. will dilute and weaken the movement rather than strengthen it. It's one of the common critiques of menslib here, for example "every second post is about trans issues". Which is ironic, seeing how so many guys here apparently think it’s feminism’s job to stop co…
/r/MensRights21/04/22 02:06 AM
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Most MRAs and men adjacent to the movement reject pretty much anything to do with homosexuality except for purely rhetorical reasons. I'm not sure about that. My observation on this sub and LWMA is that gay men's perspectives are quite valued (as are the perspectives of trans men and women), except by the resident tradcon subset. If MRAs have come up with anything in the field of ideas other than “We are oppressed as men and women are in fact the dominant sex,” I haven’t seen it. I tend to see i…
/r/MensRights21/04/22 12:49 AM
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Feminism is a very squishy thing, which makes it hard to oppose or even support actually. This is very true. I think you're being downvoted because accepting this would mean accepting that feminism as a whole can't serve as the primary antagonist in the narrative of men's fight for wellbeing that some people here want it to be. It should, instead, be viewed as an old library filled with poisonous ideas and some OK ideas. The latter have to be carefully selected for further development and applic…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 11:58 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm not making excuses for anyone.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 11:45 PM
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That's a very positive development. I understand that Germany is also currently considering a re-introduction of military draft. Is it expected to be completely gender neutral?
/r/MensRights20/04/22 10:51 PM
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One positive outcome of all this is that it is bringing very public attention to intimate partner violence situations where men are victims and women are perpetrators, or at the very least, that many intimate partner violence situations contain both dynamics. (And yes, I know there'll be some people who will still take Heard's side only.) This is not to demonise women, but to challenge the status quo for domestic violence policy in many countries, deliberately gendered approaches that have the e…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 10:41 PM
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Feminism isn’t a club or ideology Perhaps it doesn't have to be, but it clearly is an ideology for some people. There are people who regularly pop in here to declare that if you don't identify as a feminist, you are against equality. Do I think there is some value in feminist perspectives? Sure. I've read Bell Hooks and I'm perfectly capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff. When you mention "Age, race, gender, social status, economic status, physical ability, height, looks, emotional intelli…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 09:12 PM
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The answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Until the industrial age, gangs (broadly defined as social groups organised around a productive purpose, eg. a work gang) were an important part of male social life. In the 150 years since then, men found other ways to replace that need, such as lodges, sports teams, choruses, bands and interest clubs. I think the current disappearance of this particular form of male socialising explains why a proportion of men today experience profound isolation a…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 07:17 AM
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This is a one-night event. It is not a long-running business. This is a good point. Individual events can face less problems than an ongoing policy, when it comes to charges of discrimination.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 06:03 AM
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OK, so you have what I would call a restricted definition of patriarchy - that it describes positions of government, religious, etc. authority being held by men. I wouldn't go as far as to say that "men have defined and control our destiny", since government power is only one form of influence, particularly when it comes to gender expectations. If you'll indulge me, do you see feminism as being something for women, primarily for women, or for both men and women? In interacting with feminists, I'…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 05:09 AM
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How do you define the patriarchy? I consider myself a moderate whose views are probably feminist-compatible in most respects, but I choose not to identify as a feminist, and I have issues with concepts like "patriarchy" depending on how they are defined.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:38 AM
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Any club is legally free to decide who they shall take in. Not at all true when it comes to general nightclubs. A gay bar in Melbourne, Australia famously received an exemption to Victoria's Equal Opportunity Act in 2007 to be allowed to refuse entry to women. Their grounds was that the presence of large hen's parties had essentially destroyed the ability for the place to be safe for gay men. That exemption was highly unusual and attracted a lot of criticism. There's almost no chance a male-only…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 12:50 AM
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Right now, I agree that things would be better if we had more obvious, positive messages specifically for boys and men, whether in schools, media, etc. especially right now when they are most needed to balance out the negative messages. I'm not just talking about role models, but explicit messages to tell boys that they are good, that their sexuality is not dirty/bad, that they can do good things with their lives, and especially that they don't have to get all their esteem from women. Also expli…
/r/MensRights19/04/22 10:26 PM
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We're their enemy, but they don't have to be ours. We should, instead, ignore them. Most women and most men in the world see them as whackjobs, so playing in the mud with them makes us the same.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 10:02 PM
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This. The only thing I can agree with in OP's post is the observation that everyone except men seems to be criticising or demanding what masculinity should, or should not, be. Many men feel frustrated and blamed by terms like "toxic masculinity" because we're not leading changes ourselves. We didn't keep the conversation going so it died by the 90s, and now feminists want to push it on us.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 09:32 PM
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Clearly he's appealing to the zeitgeist, and our culture is having a "men suck amirite" moment. There's no need for consistency or logic. We should be more worried about the inevitable counterswing of the pendulum, when people start marching behind a charismatic strongman so that they can have a strong daddy in the house again.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 05:46 AM
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So good to see this point of view challenged in a considered, non-dismissive way. I absolutely understand how frustration and pain can lead to a desire to say "to hell with it". It says something about where society is at that the phenomenon is pronounced enough to have a name and movement behind it. I don't have a solution to offer, but I know taking your toys and going home is going to hurt some men down the line (kind of like how certain messages from feminists have hurt some women down the l…
/r/MensRights19/04/22 05:34 AM
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Ideologies that emerge from Western culture almost always show hallmarks of the religions that influenced that culture's development. Communism's coming "paradise of the working man" mirrors Christian eschatology, but with all supernatural elements removed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 05:19 AM
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Who's blaming women here? The post seems to be about pointing out how biased and incorrect it is to claim that women experience "the worst of war" (from the article). Whichever gender set up the situation we now have isn't relevant to that point.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 05:13 AM
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When posting a video, it can be helpful to summarise the contents.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 04:53 AM
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Hey, I noticed you had no replies so I thought I'd do one. I wish I could agree with you that "toxic masculinity" is still a term intended for our liberation. I wish we could turn back the clock to the 1980s and make it a real weapon against male gender expectations. But we're not living in that time anymore. I believe the term is irredeemably tainted and does more harm than good. While I will try to furnish someone with the right definition if they seem confused, I refuse to use it myself becau…
/r/MensRights19/04/22 04:51 AM
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