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Question for RedPillFab_Glam_Obsidiam/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:00 PM
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I agree with the idea that men approaching women is outdated and that it should be normalized for women to approach men, but I don't think that will actually fix anything. It would only be the first step. For this to work, men would have to be just as inclined to reject the women who approach them as women are to men, otherwise the woman will just get the first man she chooses, which is pretty much already what happens, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:08 PM
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Sounds like projection on your end.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 12:38 PM
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Mutual love, shared interest, etc. can also be used to bond. We are a collaborative species. There's a reason we broadly understand tribalism to be unproductive and undesirable in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:51 PM
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Probably. Wonder where those dudes are now. Hopefully they found something better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:21 PM
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I spend a lot of time in feminist spaces and we spend more time attacking each other than we do men. See JK Rowling as an example. Shes a feminist and that does not protect her from criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:42 PM
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MGTOW guys were harassing individual women constantly. That was the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:37 PM
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If it helps you protect your ego, you may pretend that you weren’t dismantled publicly. But I cannot pretend that you won an argument when you clearly didn’t. "Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king". If you want to strut around like a pigeon on a chessboard, I'm not going to stop you. I'll let the audience decide.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:28 PM
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It's a shame they don't attempt to hold the bad parts of their community accountable then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:19 PM
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They what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:17 PM
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So you don't have a defense against mgtow being a hate group. K. Again, I don't care what people do so long as they aren't hurting others. There's a reason r/MensLib doesn't have the same problems you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:16 PM
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"Even when my opponent does the right thing, they're doing it for bad reasons. Trust me bro" If you start from an unreasonable position, there's no point in trying to reason with you. You're acting in bad faith my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:13 PM
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Why do you feel entitled to be liked by people that were rejected by you? Where did I say I was? I literally do not care what these people do so long as they aren't a threat to themselves or others. They became both, because that's what hate does. Why do you care whether a random group of men can “move on” or not? Their own movement claimed that was the point. You should ask them why they lied. Women refuse to be the solution to lonely men’s problems. You aren’t a part of their life. You don’t g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:06 PM
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Hate speech is explicitly illegal in america. Sex is a protected class. Are you going to complain about how you think it's applied unequally next?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:59 PM
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Sports fans Shit talking amongst comrades with a shared love of the sport is not hatred. Political party A Disagreement is not hatred. Though one party definitely has pushed itself into hatred. It has the same problems and a lot of the same people as mgtow funnily enough. Blue pillers Don't get me wrong, I think the redpill worldview is pathetic and reactionary, but I don't hate redpillers. Again, you only care when it’s a group you consider above criticism. I think you're telling on yourself a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:57 PM
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Yeah being a hate group is pretty much forbidden everywhere. They should have found something, y'know, positive to bond over.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:53 PM
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They should form a group for that. Why did MGTOW devolve into blatant hatred? Surely you don't think men require mutual hatred to bond and support each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:46 PM
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They did not do what anyone told them to, no. I'd be thrilled if MGTOW men actually found any sense of fulfillment outside of pua and woman-hating, but they didn't. That was never their intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:45 PM
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There was a thread about this yesterday and I commented a lot there. Feminists call out each other all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:43 PM
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People are allowed to bond with others over things they dislike. Are women things? Are you fine with people bonding over their dislike of other groups of people? I don't have a problem with people bonding over mutual dislike of an individual. But when the focus is on whole groups, it turns to bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:41 PM
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How so what? That MGTOW didn't go their own way? Rather than finding personal fulfillment and a positive community of other men also pursuing personal fulfillment, the men there just started bitching about women creating a negative feedback loop.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:17 PM
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So men are only allowed to socialize with other men if they do it in a way that women approve of. What's fascinating is that you somehow derived this conclusion from what I wrote. Perhaps if resenting women wasn't the goal if these groups in the first place, they would be able to more harmoniously coexist with the rest of the world 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:14 PM
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Tbf if those groups of sad, lonely men actually kept to themselves, we wouldn't have a problem. MGTOW never actually went their own way. They banded together and went right back on the same old bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:38 PM
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Im a woman. Men are in competition with other men, yes. Often they seem to think they're in competition with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:17 PM
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Oh absolutely, but men still want women. They view dating as a competition between men and women, hence why the think women have all the advantages. In reality though, men are in competition with each other to get women. Women don't have to compete, for the reasons you lay out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 12:19 PM
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Fwiw, I think making the first move should be normalized for women. But mainly I do think the imbalance comes from men proactively casting a wide net, thus making it unnecessary for women to do so. Your competition is with other men, not women, for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:15 PM
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I don't think it's unnatural. I'm sure some people really enjoy it. To me though, it looks exhausting. I just want to have sex without there being such strict roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:23 PM
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Yes I was usually aware when a guy I was dating was trying to pull a move. Sometimes it was a turn off, other times it was endearing. I will say that I myself, and I think a lot of women, really value subtlety when it comes to this stuff. When we were still early in our relationship, my bf once successfully lured me out on a movie date with him on a night I was planning to stay in. I realized halfway to the theater that he played me like feeding bread to a duck, but I thought it was hilarious an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:45 PM
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Yeah young people do reckless things. Doesn't matter if they are a man or woman. But people mature, get different priorities, and that of course effects what they value in a partner. Normal men don't want to constantly date the same woman they dated at 19, and normal women don't want to date the same man they dated at 19 either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:25 PM
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Fancy way of saying that women are going to do things on a reckless whim without reason, and that men can't and have to endure They're literally saying the opposite and it's unclear how you could have interpreted it this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:17 PM
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I'd say my physical preferences have shifted, but in terms of character/values? not so much. Probably the biggest differences to how I would date now vs early 20s me is that I know what flaws I'm good to accept and which ones are a hard no. Before I was way too accommodating, but I think that's probably the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:13 PM
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It would be like in The Dispossessed where everyone has had experiences with homosexual and heterosexual sex, and relationship are a lot more freeform.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:58 PM
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I don't have the capacity for intimacy with more than one person. I put a lot of energy into my relationship and I don't have enough for another, nor the desire to split my energy like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:56 PM
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I'm talking about like the 16-24 year old range. They often don't have the life experience to fully process their own experience, let alone the experiences of others. So instead, they look to stereotypes of what a relationship should look like, which is toxic to both men and women. I think one should grow out of this mindset by around 25 at the latest, but I'm guessing most of the people here are under that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:46 AM
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I've seen a reasonable number of men cry/show emotion. I don't think there's anything shameful about it. I'd guess that women who do lose respect for men opening up probably aren't all that emotionally mature themselves. To me it suggests a lack of empathy. Worth noting that a lot of women who say that they don't want to see men cry are pretty young. I think that's forgivable. But it becomes a lot less flattering when a 30 or 40 year old still acts like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:48 PM
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I love this theory!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:38 PM
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I would love to see the exact rate at which the husbands killed their wives. This almost certainly doesn't exist in the detail you want. Every year further back is going to be more incomplete. You say it was very easy to collect, but we're getting into decades where cars were less common, communication technology wasn't as common or developed, and reporting in general was less common. I've been looking into city-specific data because there isn't much on a national level.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:32 PM
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Yeah, I don't think it was the sole reason, but the steady adoption of those technologies certainly helped. That's the main reason why serial killers starter to drop off after the 80s as well. Ultimately there's a ton of factors, which is why it's going to be difficult to get an answer to your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:35 PM
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It's worth noting that crime levels dropped in the mid 90s because of the passage of the Violence Against Women Act in 1994 and improvements in forensic science and DNA analysis. Whether that means the 1950s actually had the same DV rates as today is much harder to say. The term "domestic violence" itself wasn't even coined until 1973, so it's unclear what it would have been reported as prior. Interested to see where this thread goes. I'll do some digging and edit if I find anything relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:20 PM
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I'd be able to at least rationalize him cheating with a man as him getting something that I'm not able to provide. Him cheating on another woman would just be a rejection of me, so that would be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:58 PM
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Tbf public transit isn't really a great place to cold approach. She was probably going to work or going home from work. Maybe she already has a partner. I think a polite "sorry I'm not interested" would probably be better than making a face, but I get it. For a lot of men though it really is a numbers game. If you have no shame and want to have sex, asking a bunch of women is bound to produce a yes at some point. It's probably not healthy or conducive to getting a relationship, but maybe that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:38 PM
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Masculine, yes, but not hypermasculine, as the OP is suggesting. Think about the most masculine men in the world - wrestlers, survivalists, etc. - they are admired by other men, but they aren't sex icons. There's a certain point where it becomes a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:53 PM
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I think your premise is wrong. Women do not tend to be attracted to men with an extreme male manifestation of a sexually dimorphic trait. Look at Chalamet, Justin Bieber, or any other heartthrobs for women. They're all twinks or twink-adjacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:28 PM
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The sooner we can all learn to think psychologically about these things, the better for society. Masculinity is associated with power, and not having power (or having power be taken away by being emasculated) is understood to be dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:21 PM
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Are you questioning why she didn't talk about you that way? Because she probably did in other circumstances, it just didn't come up that way in the conversation you overheard. Sometimes I talk about my boyfriend being cute and funny with my friends. Sometimes we talk about sex. Sometimes the two get intermixed. It just has to match the vibe of the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:14 PM
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Not really when it comes to sex. For family planning, sure, but there's plenty of attractive men with no money in the world. Ever heard of a beach bum?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:10 PM
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Depends. If I'm already attracted to the guy, I think it's cute endearing. If I'm not already attracted to the guy, it doesn't really have an effect on me. I don't think less of them or anything but it's not the type of thing that would make me attracted to them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:07 PM
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It's really not gross provided the guy has good hygiene. Plus gay men seem to love blowing and being blown, so it isn't really gendered. Me personally? A little degradation is hot, but I mainly enjoy giving oral sex for the pleasure it gives my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:50 PM
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It's less about the issues men face not being treated as real and more about the fact that the "solutions" offered by trp seem to all involve hating women. There's plenty of left wing responses to men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:33 PM
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99% of videos like that are fake rage bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:29 PM
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While it can happen, I don't think assigning purposeful manipulation makes sense when ignorance can be an explanation. Obviously if a man indicates he wants to hook up, that's pretty easy to shoot down or encourage. But a lot of times (particularly when I was younger) if a guy was being nice to me, acting like a friend, I just assumed he was being friendly. my mind did not immediately go "oh he must want to have sex with me" even though that's apparently how mens' minds work. It's funny because …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:43 PM
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Hard disagree. It's fine and normal to have nsa sex. I am not a "human filtration system". I am a human with a libido. It's not even about certain time requirements. Sometimes you just want to fuck 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 03:00 PM
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You are factually correct, though I have to say that I don't see a compelling reason (on paper anyway) why that right couldn't be extended to men in the form of a financial abortion, considering that a major motivation for many abortions is lack of financial ability to care for a kid. In reality however such legislation would never pass because way too many men would have multiple children running around that they've opted out of having to support. At least when women abort it doesn't create a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 07:50 AM
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Some women like sex you know
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 07:38 AM
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Saturn didn't say women ard entitled to relationships. No one is. No one is entitled to sex either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 07:35 AM
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When I was clubbing a lot I mostly went to gay bars or drag shows for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:34 PM
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Is a sex bot a vibrator? He could use a vibrator on me. I can't use a sex bot on him. I wouldn't restrict a dildo or vibrator for him Tbf I wouldn't restrict a sex bot either, I just wouldn't date someone who has one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:47 PM
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You assume too much. There's a difference between masturbating and having a porn addiction. I don't have a problem with the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:35 PM
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I'm fine with men getting sex robots, for the reasons you describe. What I, and what I imagine many women think, is that I don't want my man to get a sex robot. Same as not wanting a bf with a porn addiction. It makes them worse in bed and less emotionally available. Basically porn and sexbots for people not in relationships. If you're in a relationship, drop those things. If you want to be in a relationship, drop those things. If you're good being single, great. You do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:06 PM
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Women figured this out ages ago. I for one would be happy to see more men find happiness and fulfillment in being single. That said, I don't know that this would change dating all that much. Plenty of women are completely fine with being single and I think that's a good thing. I generally think dating should be less common than not in modern society. In many ways we've developed away from traditional life commitment style relationships but I don't think dating dynamics have caught up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:59 PM
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I have a job that is frequently used in porn (nurse) and I think it would be weird if my boyfriend watched nurse-themed porn. I get that it's fantasy but my career and my intimate life are so separated, I just wouldn't be into it if he wanted to roleplay or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:59 PM
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I'm sorry you can't comprehend gilfs but you must accept that this is a yp
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:24 PM
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We would need consistent abortion rights for women, but I can see an argument for a paper abortion being fair under the right circumstances. Given the somewhat shitty stats on how many men actually make their child support payments, I'd worry about a lot of men trying to paper abort after the kid is born though. Or you'd get men trying to financially abort in states where it's much harder for a woman to physically abort. Basically I can see the argument for why it should exist, but actually impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 01:56 PM
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Let me give you the reason plainly: because it is pointless to worry about things beyond ones control.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:08 PM
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Freedom fighters, by definition, fight for freedom. Oppressed women, by definition, don't have freedom. Logically said freedom fighters should oppose the oppression of these women, and support their freedom. That's just what being a freedom fighter is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:20 PM
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In this economy it shouldn't matter. By 30 he could easily be living at home just to take care of his parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 09:16 PM
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Context clues - use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:22 PM
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I think we're talking about different things. What age limit increases have harmed the liberty of young people?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:11 PM
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I'm confused, do you disagree with the idea that we should care about weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:09 PM
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It's far more reasonable to care about weight than height. Weight can be changed. Everyone should care about weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:59 PM
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I don't know how to explain better that it isn't about the person. It's about the apps. It's sort of like putting in certain keywords on a job resume to get past the auto filter. A woman who cares about height irl will still care, but most don't. I've never cared about a man's height on the apps, but I'm 5'10" myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:44 PM
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It's not about getting her to like you. It's about getting an opportunity to give her real reasons to like you instead of getting filtered out arbitrarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:38 PM
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My point is that most women don't actually care about height, but 6' is put up as some kind of filter - probably due to social pressure. I would not blame a guy who was close saying so to skate by.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:11 PM
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I think you'd agree that's wildly rare and a huge red flag anyway. There's gradients to lying. Embellishing your height to get a foot in the door is pretty innocuous compared to, say, lying about being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:33 PM
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Protip to men: lie about your height. Are you 5'10"? Just say 6' on the app. If it gets to an in-person date, all a 5'4" woman is actually going to register is "he's taller than me". People are terrible judges of height in person beyond a vague approximation. By the time she sees you next to a person who's actually 6' she's found other reasons to like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:24 PM
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I really don't understand why you thought my initial comment was personally directed at you. That's a very unproductive way to read forum comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:16 PM
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I would fuck Madonna just to say I did lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:07 PM
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I appreciate the reasonable conclusion, but I'd argue that women can and do understand these things, and still think it's ridiculous. Some of what you say is just plain common sense - like looking at your partner's relationship history to see if they're a serial cheater or something. That applies to men and women. The part that I think is ridiculous is how much men get into their own heads at the idea of them not being their gf's 'favorite' in all ways. Men are letting themselves get eaten up in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:44 PM
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Young people are losing economic power, not liberty. It looks the same because both result in not being able to do as much, but there is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:20 PM
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I think there's subreddit rules against mentioning it, but I'm referring primarily to discrimination based on race/ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 03:19 PM
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I don't see where you're disagreeing with me. Yes there are limits placed by laws and government, and those are imperfect. You've identified imperfections, but those don't negate the liberties we do have, which are more numerous than most other points in history. Personal liberty, as I said, is not absolute freedom to do whatever, and no one is pretending otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:34 PM
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No, you can have both. You're confusing personal liberty with absolute freedom, but these are distinct. Personal liberty applies to what you can do with yourself, but not others. So I don't have the personal liberty to kill you, because doing so would infringe on your own liberty. However, I do have protection from being murdered for the same reason. Society works because we all buy into it enough to provide greater security to everyone. We have a lot more liberty than we would as wild animals b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:22 PM
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I saw this comment as well and was intrigued by it, so I'm glad someone made a post. I'm hesitant to lend my full agreement to it, because in many ways societal progress is based on action and being loud. Women's liberation itself had a mix of people who hunkered down and got to work, but also screamed from the rooftops a out the injustice women faced. The same can be said for gay rights, or civil rights. Maybe those movements would be more successful without the complaining, maybe they wouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:14 PM
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I want personal liberation and societal security. Both are possible. The only problems I see with the scenario described is that the girl's friend might be upset, and if the guy is married then he's cheating on his wife. Personal liberty doesn't entail the right to cause damages to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:45 PM
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Well you have misogynist men who will never admit to having anything in common with women, and on the other side you have manhating women who think men are a different species. The truth that no one wants to accept is the men and women are pretty much equally messy and inconsistent and blaming things on the other gender is largely a misdirection. That's why equality of the sexes is important - it's the most level playing field we can have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:38 PM
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Those can work, but they have no basis in biology, which seems to be your reasoning for men being nonmonogamous. Human birthrates wouldn't be roughly 50-50 is polygyny was the norm, it would skew way further in favor of a higher woman to man ratio. Historically, harems were only for the extremely wealthy who could afford to have multiple families.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:59 PM
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I'd hire a lawyer and deal with whatever legal issues that might come his way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:25 PM
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If we're talking about some kind of archetypical ideal for all woman, this list is pretty close. I'm not sure that it's possible for a single person to be all of these things at once, especially if we're talking about younger guy. It's obviously wrong to expect people in their 20s, 30s, hell even 40s to be icons of perfection (if they ever can be). Unfortunately social media only shows the perfection of people's lives and not the ugly bits, and that's skewed our perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:19 PM
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They are when it comes to peace of mind, which society should provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:57 PM
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Society is a mutually agreed contract for security and resources. Everyone in a society does, infact, deserve safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:52 PM
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Wrong user. I said that. Not him. I know you said that. That's why I asked you and not them. Edit: my apologies, I was answering from my inbox. It was a different user. Why not? Why can't society dictate that emotions or bodies are part of what we owe to each other? Because our society believes in individual liberty. Why can't an individual decide that, "if society does not give me what I want I am not going to give it what it wants from me"? Sovereign citizens try, but they don't believe in civ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:50 PM
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As I said, their actual problem is right there, but I'd be willing to hear you out. What hostility and scorn are you talking about? Is it similar to the hostility and scorn women receive from misogynists?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:36 PM
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Hang on, how is this relevant? You said you don't think anyone deserves to feel anything. How does that connect to you now saying that women don't contribute enough to society? When women say they owe nothing to men No one said this. The OP is talking about specific things. Everyone does actually owe everyone else something - that's what society is. But no one owes any specific person access to their emotions or bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:20 PM
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Well some men are known for their beauty too. That's why there's male OF accounts, albeit for the gays. To me that says more about male horniness (straight or gay) than it does about women. Regardless, I appreciate that you don't think looks and fertility are the only two things, but a lot of men here do. You're probably at the more reasonable end of redpill ideology. We're having two parallel conversations, but I think they've come to the same point. Perhaps the issues I see raised are coming f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:56 PM
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I don't think it's whataboutism when she's saying that both groups are in the wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:43 PM
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Do you not believe in civil society then? Social welfare? I guess the username checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:35 PM
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Everyone deserves to feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:32 PM
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And this is why voodoo is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:27 PM
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Women's competition for a particular man is arguably much fiercer than any men's competition for a particular woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:25 PM
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Hard to have empathy for a group that's dedicated itself to hating you, when their actual problem is right there in front of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:09 PM
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That's already done when entering into a committed long-term relationship. Doesn't that not involve commitment and love? Taking vows you can go back on whenever you feel like it without repercussions is pointless. So you're admitting that people just do it out of tradition. You say that like it was some secret. No, you're completely correct. That's why I don't think marriage should be very common. If you can just go back on contracts whenever you feel like it then they fundamentally become usele…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:05 PM
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Redpill complaints of hypergamy is just envy of chads, sublimated as misogyny. Always has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:48 PM
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Typically what I see rp men say is that the only things a woman brings to the relationship are looks and the ability to bear children. Logically then, once she loses those two things (which will happen) then she doesn't have anything to offer the RP man. I disagree with this argument for a variety of reasons, but that is the argument that I see here day in and day out. My question is targeted at marriage and non-married relationships. It seems, from the comments here anyway, that a number of RP …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:41 PM
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Because marriage is actually two things: a profession of love and commitment, and a business agreement. No one should be locked into a business agreement for life. The matter of love and commitment is cultural. I don't think there's a good answer for that because some people just never fall out of love and others do. In general I think marriage should be way less common than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:09 PM
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Fair enough on letting others jump in. I don't think a lot of this psychology is well studied in the first place, so there probably aren't comprehensive answers. If you don't mind another question though, do you view the lack of solidarity among men as a problem? Like, from the outside looking in, a lot of the resentment that some men hold for women looks like it's actually a form of envy at the men who are more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:04 PM
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They should be!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:52 PM
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I agree that this is the reality of relationships, and really the only fair way to structure them, but my question is more trying to understand if the redpill actually agrees with reality or if it thinks it should be something else. The answers so far are conflicting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:51 PM
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My point is that celebrity women who have their own money can and do get whatever men they want. Lana didn't just date a gator tour nobody, they're married. Madonna was fucking a bagel baker for years. These choices don't do a whole lot for their careers. It's just fun for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:37 PM
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Yes. She's like an art piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:33 PM
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The grifters appear to be a significant portion of RP posters here then. How do you think messaging could be improved? I agree personally that loyalty is important, but I have a number of people in this post arguing with me that men should be able to cheat on their women but that their women can't cheat on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:24 PM
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What organization did you want to ask men (and what men), that apparently did not. You started this claim by saying men weren't asked, so if we're being pedantic, you should name names first. To my end, literally all men (and others) can still talk about NFD. That's just free speech. Conservative politicians and pundits like Steven Crowder talk about it all the time. They seem to be the only people who don't like it (I wonder why lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:02 PM
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I haven't said what I think mens thoughts on the matter are yet. You said that no one asked men about them. I'm saying that they did, and men continue to speak their thoughts on the matter. All I've said is that NFD is better for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:27 PM
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This is what I see here. I'm trying to understand the argument, before arguing against it. If the answer turns out to be "the RP doesn't actually say this" then so be it. What I've gathered so far from this post is that RP men don't agree with each other on very much, aside from a few shared beliefs about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:25 PM
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But by pumping and dumping, they are actively making the pool of 'carosel-free' women smaller. Isn't that counterproductive both for him and for other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:23 PM
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I'm glad you don't!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:21 PM
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What is the point of reproductive success if you want nothing to do with your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:22 AM
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I see no evidence for that to be true, nor that men are necessarily non monogamous. It sounds like you just want open relationships. Is that accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:47 AM
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Right but in regards to a relationship, they are equal. That's the whole point. It's two adults with the same obligations to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:03 AM
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I'm not sure I'm following. If both men and women are non monogamous, why are you saying only men can sleep around? That is definitionally unfair yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:02 AM
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I mean, expecting that you (rp men, not you specifically, just to be clear) can be nonmonogamous but the woman you're with has to be monogamous is just a blatant double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:33 PM
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Men absolutely spoke and continue to speak their thoughts about NFD.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:16 PM
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You can be an opinionated arsehole and still be good natured and kind. Those people are typically funny and very attractive as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:12 PM
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Okay okay you hate Madonna #notallmen
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:38 PM
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Madonna does not want to be wined and dined. She can do that herself. What she wants is to eat hot young stallions alive and she can do that very well. Take Lana del Rey for a younger example. It's the same dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:33 PM
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... I mean this politely, but my comment was humorous in nature. Why did you take it seriously? Not that it changes Madonnas sex appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:27 PM
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This is actually very informative and I appreciate you taking the time to write it out, thank you. I can't say I think the worldview is particularly good, nor helpful to men or women, but I can at least see the A to B and how one might arrive at such a conclusion. I really hope they can find fulfillment in themselves. It does seem like they are committed to never being happy though. I'm not sure how we as a society can get past that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:25 PM
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I said "but surely RP men understand" You are not an RP man. We were talking about them, no? RP or not, I think men here would fuck Madonna. I mean you probably wouldn't because you're committed to your wife, but she would probably let you. She would probably also fuck Madonna.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:20 PM
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Preach!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:16 PM
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Cher has a beauty akin to Renaissance masterpieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:03 PM
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I wasn't saying you did, sorry if it sounded like I was. I saw that you weren't redpill by your flair. But it seems like that is a common sentiment for RP men. Now I'm curious how to woman feel about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:00 PM
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There is not a man on this sub who wouldn't fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:51 PM
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But surely RP men understand that the woman they end up with is going to age, just like they are. She will be 35 plus at some point. It just seems like an unreasonable thing to view negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:48 PM
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About anyone being entitled to leave anyone for any reason or for no reason at all, broadly speaking regardless of the relationship status. Men also believe this though. No fault divorce is better for both men and women. Hard disagree; well-adjusted adults actually try to work on their relationship and fix it if it starts to wobble I agree, and I never said they don't. But the guy isn't going to get younger. Entitling them not to be, is also kinda fine, but definitely not a virtue. Who in this s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:42 PM
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Grandpas are often excellent dads! But it is always because of bad circumstances that they are forced to enter that role, and I say that as someone who was raised primarily by my grandparents. My grandpa is a fantastic man, but it would have been nice if my dad wasn't a deadbeat. The redpill does not place much emphasis on family planning to my knowledge, but I agree that the older guy being a good dad would be a reason for the woman to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:37 PM
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Beautiful != Sexually hot. Cher isn't sexy, but she has a beauty unlike most other humans. Madonna has actually managed to stay pretty hot. As for older women returning to the dating market, I don't know that their success is actually all that important. By that point they already have stability, but if a 40 yo woman wants to try, is there anything wrong with attempting a milf era?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:31 PM
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I do think it's dumb for red pill men to preach this, but I'm not necessarily trying to demonstrate that. I'm trying to make sure I actually understand the position so that I can be sure my disparagement is warranted. So like, you say the red pill advises men to have a constant rotation of women to avoid commitment. That raises two new questions: 1. Don't men ultimately want fulfilling relationships? If so then there's a contradiction. 2. Then are women also encouraged to have a constant rotatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:24 PM
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Sorry, until women change their minds about what? I agree that anyone can leave a relationship at any time, but I don't think that's because women decided so. That's just how relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:05 PM
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Madonna and Cher are still beautiful and rich though. Seems like they're doing fine. Idk the others you mention. It's pretty common for people in their 30s to get into second marriages/relationships after the first major one ends. I know a lot of couples with three kids in the "his, hers, theirs" setup.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:57 PM
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I never said they got married, although that certainly could be possible in a scenario like this. I actually agree that good ass and stability is the best combo - I'm just not sure if rp does. I think it's a good lesson in the context of our current economic system. I also think our current economic system is incongruent with humanity and needs extreme reform though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:50 PM
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We (both men and women) are often explicitly told to achieve financial stability before prioritizing chasing ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:39 PM
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Is it unreasonable for a 35 year old with plenty of resources to want good dick? Or just a partner who can keep up?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:35 PM
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She got with the 35 year old because of stability. Now that she has her own stability, I'm wondering if there's a RP reason for her to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:12 PM
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If you like someone, shouldn't you compliment them? My bf and I compliment each other every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:37 PM
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It sounds like he's matured. I also don't struggle for money and still prefer humble activities, so I have no issue there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:35 PM
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Everyone should have a hoe phase. I credit gay men with figuring this one out tbh. But sadly not everyone (women or men, straight or gay or whatever) has the opportunity. I don't necessarily think this is just because of women's standards being to high. After all, it's men who paradoxically want to have lots of sexual partners, but want those partners themselves to have as few sexual partners as possible (ideally zero). It's more that being on the out sucks no matter what gender you are. Short o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:24 PM
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You can have love without marriage, but it's significantly harder to have marriage without love. Having both is amazing, but it's very rare in the world, and always a compromise. I think that's just part of being alive though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:15 PM
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I don't see that view very often. Usually it's like "oh Mike? He's fine" for the vast majority of men. Sure there's a small number with wide appeal amongst women too, but I think that's based on more than just looks. Often it's fame or ability as well (see Luigi Mangione as an example).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:05 PM
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Honestly most of the issues men bring up on this sub could be answered by linking her videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:27 PM
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No. Plenty of women voted for him as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:14 PM
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You didn't have to read it. You chose to read it, and then you chose to respond to it 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:18 PM
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Well if you're using language like that, it's unsurprising that people are reporting you to hr. Grow up dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:39 PM
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I don't understand how someone could love cats but hate cat ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:36 PM
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I don't think I've ever met a woman who had a problem with casual shit talking. That's something pretty much everyone engages in to a degree. I think some men get triggered by "misandry" (which does exist, but this isn't that) because they aren't used to hearing it. Women have always shit talked men but only recently is it common enough on social media for you guys to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:28 PM
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There's an old book called Herland about this very topic. The author was insane, but it's a fun premise and pretty short. In some ways it outlined how an all-female society could work (socially anyway. Obviously there's some sci fi hand waving when it comes to reproduction). The biggest problem is that the author had no concept of female sex drive, but that's what you get from the time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:33 PM
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I do not have countless men vying for my friendship lol. I think only famous or really popular women would have that. Mainly what I look for in a friend is shared values, humor, engaging conversation or at least them being fun to chill with. The hardest part is actually scheduling time to hang out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:20 PM
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Doesn't that also mean that women have checked out of dating due to hardly finding anyone who meets their standards? What's the problem if both parties are checked out?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:59 PM
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Trad lifestyles are always an option for those who want them. But I want from a partner the same things that I offer. That's more equal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:54 PM
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It would really depend on the specific beliefs. Some of what you list under "standard beliefs" I consider to be quite extreme, while others are non-issues. I'd probably do my best to educate him on how these ideas are inaccurate but if that didn't work I could see it being a relationship ended.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:51 PM
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Not sure on actual usage numbers, but I'm pretty certain that women abuse pills more, they just don't get caught as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:27 PM
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You really think we're that organized?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:23 AM
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This belief is why men struggle. You guys have no sense of romance. Just aimless craving.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:51 PM
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Because it also turns them into weirdos
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:50 PM
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I meant that analyzing what works and what doesn't is also how women work. Or he can learn those. As OP said being nice is not one of them, that’s a good starting point to a lot of men. There’s a lot of other things most men can learn to improve their chances. A guy can't learn how to be tall, unfortunately. He can learn how to be kind, which is a good thing to do even beyond dating. I'm not sure why you're going "what?" to the quoted text. Why would you try to apply what one woman likes (rememb…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:20 PM
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Women also operate like that. Hopefully that isn't surprising to you. However I literally said that there are a few broad appeals for women and if a guy doesn't have those things, then he's getting by on individual subjectivity. Meaning those are things that literally cannot be applied to women broadly. You don't seem to disagree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:07 PM
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I'm not anti science. Why are you treating people like things? If you like her, why would you keep trying to sleep with other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:59 PM
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But if you have sex with a woman and end up liking her, wouldn't you feel bad for treating her like a lab rat? And then if she never finds out, you're lying about how you treat her. It's a losing prospect either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:53 PM
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So it's trying different stuff on the same woman? If she's going out with you that often, then she likes you! That doesn't mean every date will end with sex, nor are there trackable reasons for why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:41 PM
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I don't know, it really doesn't seem to work. There's very few, though obvious, things that have broad appeal to women. If a guy lacks those (which anyone who is tracking stuff like this most certainly does), then he's only getting women due to meeting their subjective preferences. Those aren't actionable data points because they are unique to individual people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:30 PM
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His post history is full of every trope for this kind of guy. RP, PUA nonsense, cryptobro, trump, hilariously also Christianity, and then trying to pedal is two bit scalping website as well. It's like if the collective seething of the most pathetic people on the internet manifested itself as a sassy redditor.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:20 PM
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So the goal of dating for you is sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 08:13 PM
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Treating your potential romantic partner as a scientific experiment is certainly a choice. It in itself is a turn off though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:47 PM
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The only country that ever tried anything close to this was Paraguay. Do you think it worked out for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:44 PM
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One, don't track your dates/intimacy with percentages. It is unsexy and unhealthy. Two, I tell my boyfriend he is sweet (because he is!) and he's extremely attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:33 PM
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I pretty much completely agree with you. I was speaking about a relationship that starts off monogamous and with both partners have the same libido, but then one declines over time. In this case neither party is getting what they signed up for. Both people should still agree to open relationship if they decide to go that route, but yes I usually see them as precursors to breaking up. I've seen it play out in real time. I think it depends on whether or not it's just sex problems and everything el…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 03:40 PM
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I pretty much agree, but there is a tension between vows being supposed to last forever and the fact that people can change. I would not want to be in an open relationship, but I also have a sex drive that matches my partner's. If I didn't, I would feel like I wasn't able to fully provide him with what he needs, and that would hurt me. So I think I would at least consider it as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 03:04 PM
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Are you still able to orgasm? Obviously sterile (which would be a plus tbh) but like, is sex still enjoyable for you? If so then I wouldn't care at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:41 PM
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No. A guy flaunting money is honestly a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:38 PM
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I'm talking about what society views as manly, which ditching one's family to chase tail definitely is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:31 PM
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Generally people should get to know if they're sexually compatible before they get married. But then there are situations where one party of the marriage slows down, and you get dead bedrooms. I think the shame comes in when the man leaves the life he built with his wife (finances, kids, etc.) "just" because of sex. It is in some ways construed as running away from responsibility in order to be a Playboy - not very manly. I agree with you that sex is important, but I don't think that's the thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:04 PM
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I have to see how someone behaves and conducts themselves. Can you confirm understanding before I continue?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:02 PM
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A guy who is, how to say, having a developed enough personality to be baseline kind but to be able to switch into a more dominant mode during sex is desirable. Too often Nice Guys aren't actually nice, nor are they socially developed. They just think if they act a role then they can be rewarded with sex. Of course such fakeness is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:54 PM
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It can very much be about behaviour or conduct as well as looks. Honestly more than looks I would say. Tulsi for example is almost entirely in her conduct, although her appearance is steely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:45 PM
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And he never responds! Like, I'm all for people posting their mental illness on the Internet, but they should at least be engaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:43 PM
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It's very much a know it when you see it thing for me. I'd argue there's several different kinds of masculine women, but I don't think they have much in common with each other. In the same way that there's different kinds of feminine men. So like, Tulsi Gabbard and Adele both strike me as masculine to a degree, but they have very little in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:14 PM
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They definitely aren't for me!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:56 AM
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I think it's more like "I'm asking for a funny man, because I like to laugh". Obviously some people can make themselves laugh, but it's nice to have someone in your life who can also do it. One of my initial reasons I started liking my boyfriend is because of how easily he laughs at my jokes. But yeah listing standards should help people determine compatibility, especially for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:56 PM
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There should be less stigma in talking about open relationships. It's not for everyone but it can definitely work for some people. Just be aware that it's a two way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:16 PM
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Did you intend for this reply to go to someone else? I never said denigrated women vote conservative, nor did I mention conservative women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:30 PM
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I'd need definitions on low and high values, but I would begin by suggesting they both get into hiking and/or basketball either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 09:26 PM
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I imagine that's why women lean left to begin with. Decades of denigration from men will do that I suppose. It is funny how butthurt they are now that the shoe is finally on the other foot, but I agree that it's probably unproductive. Either we can all insult each other, or no one can insult anyone. I'd prefer the latter, but we're in the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 09:22 PM
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The view is a show run by a private company that panders to a certain audience. It's no different from the shows on the daily wire or w/e. Don't let tv shows dictate your view of politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:53 PM
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I feel for you. My mom has always had a double chin even at 110 lbs. Some people are just not blessed with looks. But yeah I think being a preteen around a lot of bald 20somethings gave me a thing about it. I'm definitely biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:28 PM
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I do think young bald guys are attractive so long as they're in good shape (idk I think it kind of makes the jawline more pronounced and I grew up around military boys, but I digress), so maybe I'm not going to be able to help. I think you probably just encountered weird people, rather than people who have a specific bp worldview. Most BP people would agree that looks matter, but personality/confidence/whatever are also important to being attractive overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:52 PM
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A lot of progressive policies. Universal healthcare (including mental and dental health), universal college education, a jobs program, etc. Obviously the whole education system needs to be reformed - I'll leave that to people smarter than me though. I agree that some kind of civilian corps would be a good thing. A big problem is that American policies prioritize profits over social welfare. I'd support something like a cap on the number of hours minors can spend online per week. It's hard to bal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:42 PM
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It's interesting how differently I value those statistics. For example I don't mind if someone doesn't have a college degree, but I would never date a picky eater. I guess that says we all of our own priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:30 PM
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That's a goal, definitely. I think both parties in a relationship should treat each other good though. And both should understand that they're both going to get old and ugly. We need to start romanticizing that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:58 PM
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Women seem to be able to find meaning in their lives without a man. I genuinely wish men could do this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:11 PM
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She's not wrong though. The amount of times I've been straightforward on this sub, only to be told "no here's what you really meant" is crazy. Women may not always give good advice but dear god there are a lot of men who are hellbent on not listening to anything we say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:50 PM
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The point of sharing a life with someone is that you both share a vision, though. If you don't want that, that's fine, at least you're honest about it, but I figure a relationship is the goal for most here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:10 PM
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Is money for money's sake fulfilling? Certainly to a point, but that life feels incomplete.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:08 PM
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Plenty of men I'm not attracted to have skills I admire. And I like men who have families, even though it's a sexual turn-off for me (not into being a homewrecker). I'm sure I could think of more things, but the question is a little vague. A lot of things that come to mind are more just things I like in people generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:52 PM
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So what is your goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:45 PM
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You call this a winning strategy, but what is the goal? It doesn't sound like you are interested in building a mutually fulfilling life with another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:21 PM
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A guy can be safe and attractive. Hell, being safe is attractive. It sounds like a weird sublimated envy of other men that gets projected on to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:14 PM
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They are, is what I'm saying. The vast majority of women in relationships are with someone who they are sexually attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:11 PM
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Capitalism doesn't even help most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:09 PM
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So do men want relationships or do they just want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 10:25 AM
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I see. Men should realize that this belief is inaccurate. The vast majority of women are going to be sexually interested in whichever man they decide to date. It should be obvious really.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 10:24 AM
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I don't think they're smoother though. Why did you ignore the rest of my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:44 PM
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Lesbian relationships have pretty high rates of divorce and domestic violence. I don't think there is any reason to think they operate smoother than straight relationships, although there might be a more common base of shared experiences to start with. The book "In the Dream House" by Carmen Machado is a pretty eye-opening read on this topic, for those interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:56 PM
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This is true, but most men would never be so honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:58 PM
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For me it's "sure if fuck him but I don't want to be around him full time" and "oh I want this man in my life and of course we'd have sex on the reg". Idk why a lot of the men here take being relationship material as some kind of insult. Isn't it clear that the women is choosing you over them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:47 PM
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Flirting with a fuckboi means I'm also not looking for anything serious. The stakes are inherently lower than if I was scoping out relationship prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:42 PM
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From some of the conversations I've had with men on this sub, it seems that it's more often the "higher status" men who dip down into the pool of lower status women. The women aren't really pursuing, but say yes when hit up by these men. Why they get mad at women instead of these other men remains a mystery to me. Me personally, I'd say standards for casual hookups are higher for women than men, but not unrealistic. We have to vet for our own safety. A hot guy might still be a psycho. Relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:33 AM
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I have never had a desire to be topless just randomly in public. Maybe if I was at a nude beach in Europe I'd consider it, but I really just don't find it all that comfortable. Really the only time I've ever thought it would be fun to be topless outside of my home was when I was drunk at parties/concerts when I was much younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:09 PM
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I would word it as "do you like to cook?" Or "what are some meals you enjoy making?" But yes, both people in a relationship should have a baseline competence in the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:41 PM
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Healthcare, and the concept of health in general, are very old. We've had some sense of social wellbeing since prehistory. Its modern form is just more advanced, but fundamentally it's the same idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:09 PM
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Yes, because healthcare can be provided to everyone without infringing on anyone. Intimacy and relationships cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:47 PM
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Why wouldn't he just marry Sara? Like, I need to know why their relationship ended before I can really give an accurate answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 08:30 PM
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I think a lot of that is rolled into what I listed. For example 'not misogynistic' fits under 'politically compatible' to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:35 PM
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Yes we can. You can TALK to people. You can MEET people IN REAL LIFE. You go to a coffee shop and strike up a conversation. Who is 'we' here? I do all these things. I have friends, relationships, a place in my society. A lot of people don't, and they seem to be utterly poisoned against trying. I want them to, the same as you, but I'm not as optimistic about their success or fulfillment. I'd love for some kind of egalitarian solar punk future, I really would, but it seems far away, and not everyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:28 PM
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My standards: *Employed *Hygiene/health conscious *Funny *Politically compatible *Decent mental health *Animal lover I feel like these are reasonable and I'm in a happy relationship with a man I love, so it worked out. These are all standards I hold myself to as well. I think people are so focused on the wrong things, and technology makes it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:08 PM
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Men aren't exactly doing better in that statistic. Everyone sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:03 PM
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We can't just provide people with human connections. Government mandated friends and relationships are not a solution. Actually fixing the problem would involve a colossal restructuring of society. I happen to believe that is the best option. However, in the context of the trajectory of society, I stand by my position. It's callous, sure, but I don't want these people killed. I want them safe, cared for, and happy in their own little worlds. The people who want friends, or want to live in the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:40 PM
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Oh yes, it's absolutely not healthy, but I'm talking about it as a last resort. We are eventually going to have people trying to restrict other people's rights in order to get what they want. Wouldn't it be better to give it to them in a way that doesn't hurt others? Obviously the routes for self improvement that already exist will continue to exist, and I hope people take them. But for those that don't want to, I want a diversion to keep them from hurting others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:04 PM
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I don't imagine it will be something women talk about. I'm more envisioning a lot of women who are already content being single getting one. A woman who wants a real bf probably wouldn't be interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:55 PM
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I am curious why you think so. Could you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:43 PM
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Those women can get an ai bf simple as. This technology will filter out shitty people of both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:33 PM
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That sounds like it's men causing the problem, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:31 PM
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That doesn't seem to have much to do with what we've been talking about. I promise you, online dating is not a "dick delivery service" for women lol. Maybe for unwanted dick pics if that's what you meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:19 PM
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Yeah that's what I said. Some women would be totally fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:18 PM
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Are you an ai? You certainly write like one. I disagree that women have inflated egos. Maybe insta hotties do, but that's a small, small portion of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:15 PM
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Because they're apparently falling for chatbots that, coincidentally, never disagree with them or get tired or talking about whatever the guy wants to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:10 PM
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I think it's a good thing. Ultimately we as a society have to contend with the idea that there's a significant number of people who do not want an equal partner, they want a sex bot that agrees with them. I say let them have it! There will be women who similarly get an ai bf as an emotional support dildo, and that's okay too. Eventually, ai and vr will be good enough that people can spend their entire lives in pods, living their own fantasies. I think that's a great outlet for negative personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:56 PM
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The only way to read that is that men are causing their own problems, which is not a popular take around here!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:48 PM
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Which is which though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:17 AM
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While I enjoy how powerful this makes women seem, if prefer if you all didn't do this 🌺🌺🌺👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:40 AM
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Hope things get better for you then 🌺🌺. Somewhere other than Portugal?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:22 PM
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Oh I see you are Brazilian. Yeah, good luck over there. Can't even blame you for your mindset..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:19 PM
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Please don't blame shitty economic realities on women. There's actually guilty parties you could focus that on. Capitalism is evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:03 PM
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I will continue to beat my drum of dating sucks for everyone, but the struggles men and women deal with aren't really comparable. I don't see much point in making an Olympic sport out of who has it harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:59 PM
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Idk probably go to McDonald's
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:19 PM
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I guess the nice thing about reddit is that there are very different communities, because I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 02:17 PM
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I think it's commonly assumed that age gap = manipulation, which I don't agree with. I remember being in my late teens, early 20s, and finding plenty of 40-50 year old men attractive. I even briefly dated a 45 year old when I was 23, although I found the differences in life experiences to be too much for a relationship to work. A bigger problem that taints age gap relationships is probably that there are a lot of manipulative older men, who were also manipulative when they were younger, who keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 02:04 PM
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I've literally never cared and none of the women I've talked to about it have cared. I had a friend in college who said she liked taking it from men, but that's about the only thing that stands out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 01:52 PM
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You have a completely unrealistic worldview my friend
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 12:07 AM
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Okay good. Well as other people have already explained, these men aren't exactly upfront about those things. But now we can leave when the mask comes off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 10:00 PM
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Define degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 07:10 PM
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Yeah we can make them exes now, that's the whole point!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:22 PM
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I think this is basically correct. I think women and men are the same levels of horny, but women's horniness manifests differently. It's more focused on a single man after the women already decides she's interested. A sniper rifle compared to mens' shotgun horniness, if you would. I don't think either approach is necessarily wrong, but I do feel like men are set up for a lot more frustration and disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:20 PM
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Preach. The women who are done with men actually went their own way. The men just pretended to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:10 PM
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Even as a straight woman, I am somewhat jealous of gay men. They're so... direct. My gay friends definitely have struggles that straight people don't deal with, but sex/dating just seems easier for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:59 PM
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If I was just looking for sex, yes I would still need game, but it's a different game for us. I don't discount that men are the ones who have to do the chasing, and I'm not going to argue with you about who has it worse. My advice was more specifically about getting into a relationship. Honesty is extremely important there. Even if you're a guy who is just looking for sex though, you should still be upfront about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:53 PM
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Technology is causing this problem. In that past, you only saw the people in your town and maybe famous actors and actresses. It was a lot easier to be average or better. Now we have a constant feed of beautiful people who use filters, makeup, or surgery to look even better, and our frame of reference for attractiveness has been fucked. A lot of the men here are only looking at insta hotties. They don't think about the fact that whoever they enter into a relationship with is going the age. Looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:46 PM
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Men should absolutely still be honest, on top of their other struggles. Starting a relationship with dishonesty is an unstable base.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:36 PM
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I don't really think relationships are "mechanical". There's no code that works every time or with every person. Humans aren't power outlets.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:33 PM
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The first step I think was being honest with myself about why I wanted to date. I was very honest and upfront with my dates about what I wanted, and I eventually met someone who more or less had the same wants. I think a lot of people get wayyyy too preoccupied with looks, both men and women. I have pretty broad taste, but really, it's a body. No one likes everything about theirs or anyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:24 PM
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I really wish I had an answer. My ex and I got married when we were both 19 and it felt like the right thing to do at the time. I'm in my late 20s now and would be comfortable getting married, but I don't feel the need to. 23-24 is probably the youngest I'd recommend women get married at. I guess you know it's right, as much as you can "know" it anyway, when you can envision how things will look later. When you both have a vision for the future. It's something you should talk about with each oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 08:51 PM
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Divorce? No. I'm not sure if we'll even need to get married. But I'm very happy as life partners with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 07:10 PM
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You don't have any evidence to the contrary either. Saying all feminists hate men is a ridiculous claim to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 07:03 PM
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Lmao. That's quite the bar you've set. I'm a feminist who doesn't hate men, though I doubt you'll believe that. Do you think redpill is about hating women too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:47 PM
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You can certainly tell women how to live their lives. They aren't obligated to listen to you, but you can say it!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:41 PM
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I mean my last relationship ended in divorce because we got married way too quickly and too young. My current relationship developed more slowly and a lot more intentionally, and I am much happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:37 PM
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I have no doubt there are individual feminists who hate men, in the same way there are redpillers who hate women. Feminism however does not hate men, and is not about hating men. I see very little contradiction between theory and action in this regard 🍁
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:31 PM
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I've never bought into the idea of hypergamy, because technology is correcting for disabilities that in the past would have reduced one's chances of reproducing. Big example is our eyesight is getting worse over time because glasses, contacts, and surgery can compensate for naturally poor vision.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:27 PM
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Who did what now?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:18 PM
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'Men's actions' is hardly quantifiable. I don't even disagree that men suffer more after divorce. That doesn't mean that they love harder. It's more likely because men are statistically more likely to be the person being divorced (most divorces are initiated by the wife), so they are going through something they don't want. The person leaving is obviously going to suffer less because they are escaping a situation they didn't want to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:32 PM
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The data between brain chemistry and real-world expression is shaky as is. There's no love equation yet and there probably never will be. An ai is simply incapable of giving a serious answer on this topic, and treating a magic mirror like an authority will only lead to disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:26 PM
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Feminism is a lot more complex than "men bad". It actually doesn't assert that men are necessarily bad at all. You might like to check out some feminist YouTubers like contrapoints or big Joel
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:24 PM
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Sometimes it do just be that way. I wish there was a more straightforward answer, but people are fickle creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:20 PM
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AI is not reliable for anything so subjective. It still struggles to accurately process raw numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:16 PM
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Hard disagree. The honeymoon is special and fun, but that's because getting to know a new person is exciting. The stability, the reliability, and the satisfaction of really knowing/accepting/being accepted by your partner is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:00 PM
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Women use logic as much as men. In the context of voting, there's plenty of examples. I voted yes on a measure to increase funding for mental health services, because those services measurably improve society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:33 PM
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I did not say they require them, no. Learn to read. I said that so long as she has a nice rack and a big ass, they don't care if she's a bad person, which remains true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:28 PM
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I don't think I'm wrong. Actually you're wrong that women require height or size, given that small dicked and short guys are still getting hitched. Women are fine with being single when they can't find their minimum standards to be met. Why aren't men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:21 PM
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Sounds like men need higher standards! And men marry hot women for their looks all the time, even if they are bad people. It's shockingly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:55 PM
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There's four of us and we were all pretty much back to back, and we're in a smaller city that our parents' families are from so it's very close-knit. Being born into an established social network is definitely a privilege that not everyone has.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:53 PM
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The average young man could very easily get sex and interest from the average young woman, they just have to be honest about where they stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:50 PM
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The giant, hard for hours dicks in porn are fake my guy. And both fake orgasms. If men put way less expectations on women, isn't that their fault then? Shouldn't they have higher standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:15 PM
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Maybe we're talking past each other. The value of women in porn comes from the fact that the majority of porn watchers are straight men. The male performer has no expectations other than to show up. The female performer has to be hot, be convincing, be more conscious of her looks - all the pressures of being the focus of the audience's attention. In dating, the value of men and women is equal - because virtually all relationships are made of one of each. Both parties have different expectations,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:56 PM
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I'm on equal level with my boyfriend I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:47 PM
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Women are not as hypergamous as you men believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:30 PM
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No, that connection is not obvious. I'm still not even sure what you are trying to say. Your original point was that male performers are paid less, but that's because very few people are watching porn for them. That has nothing to do with the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:28 PM
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With regards to the sex industry, the disproportionate treatment has more to do with the customer base. The majority of porn consumers are men who are paying to see women, so it makes sense that the women are paid more. That's just supply and demand. There's a podcast by two gay pornstars called Sorry For Asking that kind of talks about it from the other side. Sometimes they have a bi guest who has been in gay and straight porn, and they always say they're treated better on gay sets. That's beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:21 PM
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What part of it is false?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:10 PM
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It's different for men, that much I agree with. I'm just not sure that it's more difficult, or that the two are even all that comparable. Ultimately the rate of successful relations is about 50-50 for both. I think the gap is that women handle being single better, because more of us can at least fill the void with temporary attention. I'm really not sure that such superficial gratification would be all that fulfilling for men, but I do understand that it must look enviable, when the alternative …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:09 PM
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A lot of them do. Some find it easier to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:03 PM
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Every woman you pursue, you make the choice to do so. Are you vetting them at all? Like, I have seen male friends just blindly swipe right on 100s of women at once, without even looking at their profiles. I get that casting a wide net is frequent advice for men, but that's no way to find a quality partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:01 PM
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I'm at 11/15 but a lot of this stems from having a pretty large/social family, rather than any personal social privilege. So for example the parties I got invited to, I was often invited because one of my siblings was invited so I had an in. That's still a privilege, but it isn't predicated on me being a woman or attractive or w/e. My younger brother had all of the same benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:52 PM
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It's not our "only" job, but yes it is important. And yes that's exactly what I said - society is not forgiving if the woman chooses poorly. That's why we have to be cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:37 PM
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Yes that's what I said - women have to be discerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:35 PM
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It sucked for women all over. And sex before marriage is just as much men's fault if that's really something you care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:27 PM
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It's literally equal. For as much as RP men bitch about hypergamy in women, they aren't any better. Y'all treat a woman being less than a 5 like a moral failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:22 PM
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I agree, but society does not. Old, fat, ugly etc. women are flat out ignored, more than even lonely young men. Society doesn't talk about those women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:20 PM
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As it happens people often lie about who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:16 PM
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Yeah and those sucked worse. Women got hitched to shitty men and weren't able to divorce or even open their own bank accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:15 PM
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It's interesting, because luck is just as important for women when it comes to getting into a relationship, but for very different reasons. Sure we have "choice" but there's no guarantee that the man we choose is kind, or respects us, or isn't lying about his intentions, or isn't dangerous, or any other of the thousands of ways things could go wrong for us very quickly. That's why we have to be discerning. We risk a lot more and contrary to what the internet might lead men to believe, society is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:13 AM
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No. Feminism came for the workplace, but sex-segregated social clubs were a thing for a long time after women started bridging that gap. Feminists were not trying to join men's bowling leagues or fishing groups, or even things like the freemasons. Social atomization caused by capitalism caused those things to die off. Women-only groups haven't fared much better. The powers that be prefer a homogeneous customer base.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:43 AM
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Women have always had the same legal responsibilities as men, other than the draft (which should not exist at all). We just didn't have the same freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:26 AM
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That's a very sad way to look at the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:16 AM
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That is also how astrology operates. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:56 AM
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Which is not objective evidence. It's an anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:40 AM
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The only metric you've established is that many people find it relatable. Many people find their sun signs relatable. What "objective evidence" support rp? What does that even mean?!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 01:24 AM
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Popularity is a statistical term. They weren't using it like high school popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 12:30 AM
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Not at all, it's just unclear which point you're talking about and how my comment "proves" it. I disagree with the idea that being a dick brings respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 12:26 AM
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I'm not sure I understand what your point was then. I've yet to see a respected dick who couldn't also walk the walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 10:48 PM
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First, TRP isn’t made up ‘woo woo.’ Say 100,000 people read a post and think; “I can relate to that”. That then means there are enough commonalities from that post, to draw fairly reasonable conclusions. This is also true of astrology and horoscopes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 10:31 PM
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Outward behaviour is a reflection of inward behavior. That or it's constantly putting up a face, which is unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 10:23 PM
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Hmm, that bears the risk of coming across as miserable, which inspires pity instead of respect. That strategy only works when paired with competence. I still think authenticity is a better approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 09:36 PM
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I think the cultural problem that you allude to is pretty simple: there isn't enough value in being genuine. There also isn't enough introspection, because people are afraid to look in the mirror and not like what they see. Nice guys should be genuine, even if that means they aren't all that nice. They should roll with the consequences of that too. Don't act nice just actually be a nice person. Not like other girls girls should also just be authentic to who they are, even if that means they're b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:26 PM
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Look I'm not saying it's rational, but that's what they think 🤷🏼‍♀️ I've never been with an uncircumcised guy either, but I don't think I'd be a prude about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:23 PM
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Unfortunately circumcision is a cultural problem that is going it be slow to correct (it is getting better though). Every friend I have who has had boys has opted to circumcise, because they think being uncircumcised will make their dating life harder in the future. These are women who have only ever seen circumcised dicks, so there isn't a frame of reference for uncircumcised dicks being "normal". It's a negative feedback loop. It's not a problem in countries where circumcision was never the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:56 PM
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But increasing sex appeal to what end? If is just to sleep with the most women, my advice would center around going for the lowest common denominator of women. That's different than the advice I would give to someone wanting to get into a fulfilling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:43 PM
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Men absolutely have an in-group bias as well. Pretending otherwise is just ridiculous. Fraternity and brotherhood are ancient concepts. Women meanwhile were excluded from many organizations and positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:26 PM
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So then you agree, the woman can be awful but if the sex is good, men will stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:10 PM
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I'm sorry, is the point of all this to get into a successful relationship, or to just sleep with lots of women? Which one do the men here even want?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:02 PM
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I disagree that women are always looking for the guy with limitless options. Most women, just like men as you describe, find someone they really enjoy, who they don't want to live without. That's what love is. Unfortunately, the world has a tendency to jade us from giving love too freely. Many men probably feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:58 PM
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No one that Elon has been with has been stable or normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:43 PM
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I pretty much agree. There should also be less shame about "free" dates like walks and picnics. Who doesn't like a nice walk?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:04 PM
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No one honestly says that though. You might hear "find a man who treats you well" or something, but that's also pro-social advice, unless you have a completely naked double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:01 PM
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My guy are you just not active online? If you google that sentence, the first result is a massively upvoted AskReddit thread. The sentiment is even more common off reddit. What are you even trying to argue?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:59 PM
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I can't say I see those phrases demonized. The first one is super common even on reddit. My point is that this "free pass" is a figment of your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:51 PM
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Who is who dating? The average woman? A lot of them are dating people they met at work or school, or who they meet through friends. The vast majority of relationships happen within the same socioeconomic class. And don't just post a graph like it's proof. Not like self reports are all that reliable anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:49 PM
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Male solipsisms are also glorified though. How is something like "don't stick your dick in crazy", "bros before hoes", or "get back in the kitchen" any different from what you listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:37 PM
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Shouldn't men also be discerning about sleeping with a bad person?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:27 PM
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No one writes letters to modern serial killers, because no one writes letters anymore. Why are you comparing decades old cases on men to a modern one on a woman? Take another example, Elizabeth Holmes, who had men vouch for her, married a rich man while she was actively going through trial, and even had two kids with him. Both men and women are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:25 PM
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This just isn't in line with reality. The majority of women aren't Twitter hotties living in New York or LA. Most women are with men who make about as much as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:20 PM
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There's a shit ton of Amber Heard hornyposting and ai porn. She is hot. It's not hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:16 PM
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No, they really wouldn't. Men are with beautiful yet awful women all the time. Men hit them up all the time. It's incredibly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:15 PM
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But men do the same thing is my point. If a woman has a nice rack and a big ass, men won't care if she's a bad person. I'm not sure why the op is only looking at women when this is a human phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:59 PM
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I think you're starting from an incorrect premise, but your post is vague enough that I'm not sure. For clarity, what superficial demands are women making, that men aren't also making?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:12 PM
9

Older white gay with a southeast Asian/central American/Venezuelan younger guy is a very common coupling. It gets mocked in the gay community all the time, to the point of being a trope. You can't swing a dead cat in Boystown without hitting one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:55 PM
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Fantasy doesn't translate to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:59 PM
10

It already does. Better labor rights, healthcare, and free education are appealing to everyone, including young men. You saw this in the US with "Bernie Bros" that the Democrats (who are not a left wing party) drove away. Genuine leftwing policies don't struggle to get men on board.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:57 PM
-1

It's really not that hard to not sexually harass someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:58 PM
2

If that's true, then wouldn't it mean that men are more shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:35 PM
1

Everyone should love their bodies, and part of that means taking care of them and keeping them in the best position you can. This is why obesity and extreme skinniness outside of medical reasons is often viewed as a moral failing (though many people are more accurately victims of propaganda and capitalism, so I can't blame them). It sucks but we should all do our best.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:15 PM
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Treating men as dangerous to children by default is bullshit. Treating women as potential me too bombs is also bullshit. Everyone should just be respectful and keep their hands to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:11 PM
10

I'm pretty sure Nick fuentes is gay but not a virgin? Idk much about him. Pretty sure he's had sex with other men, which is fine and cool. However, I don't really believe in shaming people for things they can't control, which includes virginity. People should be shamed for their actions instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:59 PM
1

The difference between growing vegetables and playing videos is that you have something at the end. Furthermore, vegetables can be grown again and can help one find a place in the cycles of the earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:15 PM
1

Finding fulfillment is still important regardless of having a relationship. I suppose that's why stoicism is so popular with men these days, but growing vegetables seems more spiritually healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:37 PM
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Frequently! Missed connections are a real thing. When I was single and looking for a relationship, I often did not ask out guys in ex. the store or restaurants because it's kind of hard to tell if men are single when you see them out and about (same for women) and I don't want to be that guy. It was much easier to approach men in "designated" places like bars, or if I knew that they were single ahead of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:18 PM
8

You'd be surprised how good being freed from a shitty person can feel. There's more to life that material conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:24 AM
8

This person believes that feminism is a hate group. I wouldn't put much stock in their ability to interpret comments correctly or in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 09:10 PM
1

No different from any other conservative extremist group that radicalizes into naked hatred. It doesn't have a centralized hierarchy and does nothing to maintain ideological coherency. Setting aside your incorrect belief that feminism is or should be a monolithic ideology, do you see the problem with these two statements? The essence of conservativism is hierarchy, yet feminism, as you say, doesn't have any? Are you sure your judgement isn't just completely skewed here? Because you aren't being …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:26 PM
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It's an opinion piece, my dear, dear 'intellectual'. You've found an example of one feminist scholar asking a rhetorical question. This is an embarrassing display of faulty critical reading skills, frankly. Ironic considering you just accused me of being hung up on a marginal population, too. But thanks for saying you think feminism is a hate group I guess. That confirms my suspicion and is very helpful for other readers. Edit: it's also hilarious that you cited a feminist scholar in an attempt …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:54 PM
7

What do you mean by classless?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:33 PM
1

This comment only makes sense if you think feminism is about hating men. If you're that misinformed, you really don't have firm ground to complain about anti-intellectualism. Believe it or not, feminists (most anyway. Sheila Jefferies is still alive I suppose) don't resent men. We are equal to men in any economic system, it's just that the one we have now is horrible. But instead of fixing the economic system, a lot of men would rather just get rid of the competition. They're crabs in the bucket…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:28 PM
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Divorce is usually for the benefit of the person who initiates it. Women are usually the one's initiating the divorce. So it follows that men are usually the ones being divorced, which is not in their benefit. Hence why they (usually) struggle. The person who got out of the shitty marriage, regardless of their sex, is going to be thriving compared to their ex who wanted to keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:17 PM
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If we define status like this, doesn't it apply to women just as much as men? Looks, money, and "game" (I think maybe "charm" or "social skills" might be a better term) all influence how attractive we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:11 PM
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This sounds like more of a class issue than a nationality issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:06 PM
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The ruling class has a vested interest in keeping young men bitter, isolated, and resentful of half the population. The problem is capitalism in general, but rp men don't want to overturn capitalism - they're just mad women are taking an equal seat at the table. It should not surprise anyone that women are equally capable of being oppressors as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:58 PM
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Plenty of men do that themselves. The point is, I'm not sure how one could formulate that opinion, but then not realize that it's also placing the blame squarely on men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:12 PM
24

I'm sorry, are you saying that enough men not getting pussy is the reason western countries are sliding into fascism?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:59 PM
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Plenty of socialists fuck. His bigger issue is that he's a shut-in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:40 PM
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I think we're going to see a disparity of some couples having no kids and others having 3+ kids, but with fewer only having 1 or 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:17 PM
1

I don't think any normal woman or man has ever devoted a thought to either's "external locus of control". What?! The answer is to get offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:05 PM
2

Shouldn't you be into gentlemanly things like rose gardening or brandy tasting? Why are you on this subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 01:42 AM
5

It's not a strawman. You'd realize that if you actually read my posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 11:30 PM
5

Taking is a demand. They are demanding attention, effort, and care, but offering none in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:18 PM
1

I feel like I've already explained it pretty plainly. The men here have standards they don't meet themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:12 PM
1

Yeah that's not what I said at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:04 PM
2

I'm not sure that they have the the looks needed to coast. It just reads as bitter resentment to me. Like, they aren't happy people, and misery is the opposite of attractive! Unfortunately online spaces reinforce this into a negative feedback loop and that's why we have trp at all I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 08:48 PM
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"pleasant and attractive" referred to the women men here want, not the men themselves. But yeah, if a man wants that, it's fair to expect that he be pleasant and attractive himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:34 PM
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I am referring to men who do not offer attention, effort or care. Nowhere in my comment do I say anything about men's looks. I have no idea why you wrote this response when you so clearly didn't read the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:30 PM
2

What about my comment suggests I think there's anything wrong with either?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:23 PM
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And for those men, it becomes a matter of taking but not giving in return. They are doomed to be unsatisfied because they are the human equivalent of barren land. Relationships are about mutual nourishment. As I already said, then men who can actually offer that aren't here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:46 PM
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Very true. Most men here just want sex with a pleasant and attractive woman. The pleasant and attractive women have no problem getting better quality men, so there's resentment. Then the men who are actually relationship oriented aren't here at all, because they're too busy living their best lives with their partner. Women aren't always honest about what they want either, tbf, but on average I'd say women have less reason to lie, so they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:07 PM
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Ah I assumed a woman who was interested in sleeping around that much was not interested in relationships, for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:32 PM
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Setting aside the rest, what exactly is wrong with wanting to sleep with 100s of men? If she wants to and she can, I don't see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:27 PM
2

They're less equal in a material sense. The man is more established and has more resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:24 PM
1

I should insult your reading comprehension too, because nowhere did I imply that any instrument is supposed to mimic sex. Not sure where you got that from. Translation is the opposite of that, frankly. It's an art.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:56 AM
2

I don't have routine sex. My boyfriend and I probably go at it once a week, sometimes more, sometimes less, but it's always passionate. I simply wouldn't have sex if it wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:40 AM
1

Well that sounds like the claim of someone who has never coaxed a fair tune from even a recorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:32 AM
1

The way the Odonians live in The Dispossessed. Radical sexual liberty. Everyone at least tries everything, even if they settle on being straight/gay/bi. Gender isn't important. Gender roles don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:53 PM
2

The fastest I've gone from not interested to aroused by a man is learning that he's a good dancer. Edit: also if he can play an instrument. The hand skills translate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:48 PM
5

What you can't demand is for society to change its ways to make your choices easier or beneficial for you. Society's ways are not fixed. Everyone is trying to change them all the time. Men are also people and should also be able to pursue their ideals, but they equally should not expect women to change or do things for their benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:36 PM
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Everyone has their own idea of "it all" and we should all be allowed to pursue our own ideals. Success isn't guaranteed, of course, but the journey is what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:17 PM
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My actual father wasn't a good person, so no. But other father figures in my life, yes I'd say they gave good advice. My aunt and uncle have always had what I consider to be the model relationship for what I want: no kids, always going on little adventures, and make each other very happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 01:47 PM
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I empathize with men on this one, because you're right, I would be creeped out if a guy approached me on my own, but approaching a group of women is way harder than 1:1. But yes, I'd be fine with a guy coming up and introducing himself. I don't think buying a drink is necessary, but if you want, I would say offer to buy one - don't just show up with it. That's more of a security thing so the woman knows she's not getting roofied.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:32 PM
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God you're just out here spitting the truth, and they hate you for it 🙏✨☀️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:25 PM
2

By "good guy" I mean kind, has a job, reasonably competent, doesn't do anything to get arrested, hobbies/fun stuff, easygoing. I feel like those are all pretty basic. Obviously there are some things that are fine, but aren't my preference. Like I wouldn't want to date a super religious guy for example, but being religious doesn't mean he's not a good guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:22 PM
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Yes. I think a very small portion of the population might be able to go without, but for most of us intimacy and affection are needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 02:47 PM
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It's shitty to do but no I don't think it would qualify as either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 09:11 PM
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Yes the majority of women also have shit profiles, I completely agree. But the quality of their pictures, even if selfies, are better than those on men's profiles on average. The difference is that women can coast on those pictures but men cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 02:39 PM
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Yes, selfies are a major part of dating apps for both genders. The point of a selfie is often to not have distractions in the background. There are still differences in the quality of selfies, and women are on average a lot better at taking them, because they take way more of them. You already said there were other pictures of women either with friends or doing something else as well. I'm really not sure where your disagreement is at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 02:07 PM
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Are the selfies good? And yes, as I said, pictures that show a social life of some sort. I never said every picture a woman takes is a work of art, learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:56 PM
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No, not by my logic. That's your insane logic at work. All I said is that the men who put effort into their pics, tend to also put effort into their bios, making the profile better quality. I never commented on their success rate. Do you really think men on average have better profile pics than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:48 PM
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They take more pictures of themselves. More practice = better pictures, obviously. I'm not even on the apps. I've been in a relationship for years. You're so butthurt you can't even think clearly. Stop hallucinating and just read the words as written.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:43 PM
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They suck in different ways. Women will pretty much always have good pictures, both of themselves and some that show a social life of some sort. But their written bios usually suck. This is probably because women can get plenty of interaction by just coasting on pics (which, tbf, is sort of men's fault for enabling this). The men who bother to put effort into their bios, which is a minority but still, tend to have better written ones. The kind of man who puts effort into that will also tend to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 01:18 PM
1

Hell yeah pro choices 🔥😎🔥
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 11:48 AM
3

True!!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:42 PM
1

But it's because they're better able to get away with it, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:56 PM
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Women and men probably shoplift at the same rate, but women get caught less because of assumed innocence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:45 PM
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All genders have assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:43 PM
2

You started this by projecting made up fears on women about the draft. And yes, it was. Literally Ukraine's military has been training with NATO forces for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:36 PM
1

Well in this hypothetical I clearly liked him enough to have sex on the first date, so I guess we bonded over something. I'd have a second date but I'd take the lead on sex. If he wasn't okay with that, then there wouldn't be a third.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:32 PM
2

Was working on qualifying but wasn't there yet, next!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:23 PM
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Ukraine had been worried since 2014, next!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:02 PM
3

Not worried about that, next!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:57 PM
1

I would guess that being short probably contributed to his overall confidence, which is what initially attracted me, but the shortness itself wasn't a big deal. I prefer to date people roughly the same height as me. If I was into the big mommy dommy scene I could see it being hot though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:54 PM
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Idk I don't think women care that much. Most women are around 5'6" and can't actually tell the difference between 5'10" and 6'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:52 PM
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5'7". I'm slightly taller at 5'9". Honestly, it's nice not having to stand on my toes to kiss him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:08 PM
2

My bf is a hairy Italian shorty and I love him 💕💕
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:00 PM
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More? I'm not sure. But they certainly need different protections than men, mostly based on reproductive rights. Obviously things like the draft should be done away with, too. Teaching egalitarian social/gender dynamics seems like the best thing to do for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:59 PM
1

Disagree. Just look at Lana.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:52 PM
1

Something's hard, alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:52 PM
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I disagree. There are women who do find smaller dicks, or shortness attractive. Some like hairy guys, or slim guys, muscles or chubby. Women are just as complex and varied as men. Same for career.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:51 PM
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I roughly agree with you, but I'd add that every woman has her own top 20%. There isn't some objective value that applies to all of us in the same way. Men seem to have much more agreed upon standards for women (though there are still outliers).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 04:45 AM
7

They only have those rights because of women who didn't want to be trad wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 04:16 AM
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People literally just like the trad aesthetic and (some) elements of the lifestyle. Baking bread and raising kids is well and good, but no one wants to be a sex doll that can't open a bank account.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:33 PM
2

Adam sounds far more attractive and like a better fit for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:27 PM
1

Women also have common experiences that ring true, and common sayings for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 01:31 PM
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Not at all. Some men I think are perfectly morally upstanding people that I'm not attracted to: most male family members, my friends' spouses, a number of male coworkers, my town's mayor, and my neighbor, just to name a few. Conversly, there are also men that I do think are hot, but are bad people that I wouldn't associate with. I don't understand the connection you are making between morality/merit and "rizz". The two aren't connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:18 PM
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I've only ever heard men say it. Seems like the kind of phrase that was created in smoky bars over darts or on the fishing boat. Most men had wives and no need to be PC back then so that's the phrase they created. We should probably use yours or a new one these days. I've never heard a woman say it, either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:12 PM
3

Fun is important but if that's all you want then you don't need a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 04:31 PM
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I disagree but I'm willing to talk about it. Was there more context to that quote or do you have any further reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:33 PM
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You were saying he's emotionally underinvested because he has spoiled other women I literally never said this. What I said, and then also clarified in a second comment, was that the scenario implied that he was emotionally investing in streamers instead of me. If he used to emotionally invest in streamers, but doesn't anymore, then I don't care. Are you perhaps confused by the word 'invest' here? I never was talking about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:27 PM
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I don't have any context for that quote, so there's not too much I can say on it. I agree with it in a vacuum I suppose. I'd also add that plenty of women make dating miserable for themselves as well. People in general are pretty good at that sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:23 PM
2

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:13 PM
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Why do you think women are generally soulless?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:54 PM
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If he isn't doing it currently, then I basically agree with the top comment. His previous treatment of his exes wouldn't be something I care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:43 PM
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The prompt says he puts all of his emotional effort into streamers. I'm not even addressing the financial side of things yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:02 PM
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This hypothetical person sounds like he isn't emotionally invested (rather, he is emotionally invested in a streamer) in me as a partner, so no, I wouldn't want to be with him. I don't think men would want to be with a woman who is emotionally invested in another man, either. The snapewives proved that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:49 PM
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Yes yes all that sciencing about mating behavior and partner selection is very sexy. I'm sure that will get the ladies hot and bothered 🔥🥵😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:53 PM
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I think trying to apply science to every aspect of a person, man or woman or whatever, is a lost cause pursued only by soulless people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:30 PM
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Not sure, but same-ish range. 25-27 I'd say?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:07 PM
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My cousin! She is 24 and has been in a relationship with a single father for two years. She has one kid and he has two.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 12:38 PM
1

Perhaps you misunderstood me. "Lording over their men" is not a principle of feminism. I was referring to the home life and it is far more common in traditional cultures, where men rule society but women rule domestic life. Quite the opposite of feminism, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:28 AM
2

No idea why you wrote this book to me, it doesn't appear to respond to my words. But, glad you're in a happy relationship !!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:02 AM
1

Hmm, being bad in bed is fixable. So if that was the only problem we'd work on it, but I wouldn't throw the whole relationship away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:08 PM
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The women from these cultures lord over their men with an iron will idk what you're on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:04 PM
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No. When I was dating, I was horny too. Obviously I wanted to sleep with men I found attractive so I did. My boyfriend and I have been together for five years now, on track to be lifers, and we had sex on the second date. I've never seen the point in delaying it as long as possible because relationships are, for me, at least partly rooted in desire for the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 01:23 PM
10

I have never once let being woke prevent me from calling out a dumb bitch, regardless of said dumb bitch's gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:26 PM
1

Yes I'd be fine with that. My dad wasn't a good dad either. Honestly the shared understanding would be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:42 PM
1

Of this list, my only red flags are "gets into fights," "currently unemployed," and "wants kids". I want a stable partner to explore the world with. Fortunately I found that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:07 PM
2

I think my preference has shifted to having better sex less often as opposed to the frequent mid-to-bad sex of my youth, but beyond that I feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:04 PM
2

Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions when you don't know anything about someone 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 03:59 AM
4

By that logic any pragmatic decision is a ritualistic sacrifice. It would seem that "ritual" would be rendered meaningless in such a view, which is incorrect. Rituals are sacred and important.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 03:52 AM
2

I've never been on the apps hun idk how swiping works
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 03:37 AM
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I'm not sure that's a good thing tbh Expansion: kindness, obviously. Women value that too. But putting looks above charisma just seems like mixed priorities
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:27 PM
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Wouldn't that just mean that men value other qualities in women aside from charisma? I think female comedians talk about this a lot, but it seems like they care about looks more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:06 PM
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It seems very clear to me that easily being able to tell stories, or crack jokes, or portray yourself as fun will be vastly more advantageous than being kind, or empathetic, or emotionally intelligent. I would describe this as charisma. It isn't related to romance or sexual attraction, though they are closely linked. A charismatic person is simply going to have an easier time getting anyone to like them, male or female, attracted or not. They just have an easier time navigating society
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:03 PM
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Preach!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 06:38 PM
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Maybe some people mean it that way, sure. When I say "social skills" though, I mean basically what you mean. I've unfortunately met a number of men that struggle with, for example, making eye contact with a waiter while ordering food, or needing their parent to come with them while they renew their driver's license. I don't necessarily need someone to be able to charm a whole room (that might even be a turn off because I don't like attention being drawn to me), but like, a basic level of social …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 06:17 PM
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I think a lot of men would but I don't really think they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:55 PM
2

Maybe not to you 🌷
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:24 PM
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If animals naturally trust him. If he has skills that I'm lacking in. If he has a good relationship with his family. If we can make each other laugh. 🍀🪻☘️
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 01:07 PM
3

Grim ✨
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:52 PM
2

I'm pretty vanilla and I don't think I'd let a guy do something I'm put off by no matter how hot he is. He can find someone else to do freaky shit with!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:45 PM
4

I think the men-turned-women would masturbate a lot, and the women-turned-men would engage in gay sex to find out what the prostate feels like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:18 PM
2

I can't say I ever responded this way or know anyone who has. "Have we met before?" is at least reasonable, but yeah the rest seems like butchy sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:38 PM
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Do they disadvantage men, or do they bring women into alignment with the advantages men already had? Such is the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:59 PM
-1

Our perceptions of reality are completely different. That's wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:02 PM
3

Personal anecdote - my dad got every other weekend after my parents divorced, and as soon as we were old enough my brother and I stopped going. We never wanted to go and it was clear he didn't really want us there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:55 PM
0

The core of feminism is regular women who wanted equal rights. The Paglias and Dworkins of the world are fringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:45 PM
5

Feminism is an egalitarian movement and one day we might get to the point where it makes more sense to call oneself that rather than feminist, but we aren't there yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:42 PM
5

I don't even think I could say who the best sex I've ever had with was. There is good sex and bad sex and that's really the only two categories I bother to maintain. My partner and I have consistently good sex, which is really all I care about in that department.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 12:48 PM
1

It depends. When I was also in my slutty era I did not care at all, because we both knew exactly what we were doing. I don't begrudge anyone for having a slutty past. But now that I'm in a relationship, I'm very content with monogamy. My boyfriend and I know we've both had previous partners (we are both divorced so 🤷🏼‍♀️) and we just don't care. It doesn't affect us.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:50 PM
3

What if you're an average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:46 PM
2

If I had to choose between those two, I would take never married and no kids, but successful career. That's mainly because I really don't want kids. I'd take a childfree relationship though. I also would not get plastic surgery. Honestly your framing is incredibly loaded and you should look inward to address this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 02:15 PM
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Both people in a relationship get uglier as they get older. I think learning to love each other despite that is a good then. Then when you're both truly content and fulfilled in your love, you can be like "hey, remember when we were hot AF? Those were the days". But you can still be into each other and enjoy how well you know each others' bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:56 PM
2

Oh god stability and comfort 💯💯. I can bring most of the excitement myself. Passion I think can be incorporated into stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:22 PM
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This is not how statistics works. I know. That's why I explicitly prefaced it by saying it was an anecdote. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:03 PM
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I can loosely agree with the idea that women want "better than other men" when choosing a partner but I'm not sure that height is always a part of that, though I do agree that men's height is scrutinized in American culture at least. For me, my anecdotes, and I, my bf is slightly shorter than me, but the main reason I fell in love with him all had to do with his laugh and him making me laugh. So he was better than other men at that ☀️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:48 PM
2

They should be in jail. Shoulda just kept it to porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:27 AM
4

People are freaks! They're gonna do freaky shit. I'd rather they do that in a way that doesn't affect other people 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:38 AM
2

Unironically yes!! Have clinics and rehab services for those who want to get well, but keep the rest happy, content, and most importantly far away from everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:25 AM
6

I think the porn industry is predatory to both men and women, but pornography itself is neutral. And yes. In the past, horny, frustrated young men waged violent rebellions. Now they are mostly pacified with porn and video games. If they could just buy a robot gf, they would have no reason to support conservative politicians who want to restrict women's rights, because they'd already have what they want. I eventually see this as our society having a number of people who live in virtual reality po…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:16 AM
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I disagree completely. Distracting the most annoying men with passable sex robots will keep them out of politics and out of messing with real women's rights. If all they want is a hot automaton that agrees with them, I say let them have it 🤷🏼‍♀️. My opinion of that sort of life doesn't really matter, and I think it would benefit society overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:04 AM
2

I mean, yeah you are describing being manipulative and you should hate it. It's good that you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 03:14 PM
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I would say if you are in a social pool with three women, you can try to date one of them and it's normal. Everyone remembers when Eric and Steph were kind of talking, right? But then if Eric hits up Shanice after he and Steph didn't work out, things start to get a little weird. This does get better when you're old and you can rebound with each other after one or both parties are coming out of a divorce, but yeah 20s-30s hitting up all your female friends gets weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 03:06 PM
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If a women works out naked she's violating either the law or the gym's rules. Iirc ancient Greek men did work out naked and if I was transported back to ancient Greece you can bet your damn ass I'd be on the sidelines enjoying the view (before getting executed for witchcraft)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 06:14 PM
11

It's unclear what part of my comment you disagree with dude
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:55 PM
20

The opposite actually. For me any kind of kink requires a level of trust I'm not just going to give to some guy. That stuff is for relationships!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:00 PM
1

You really haven't asked me many clarifying questions. Here are some questions you've asked me: Why is it always on men to ignore how women's hatred and bias hurts us? When is it on women to show empathy? When there is a 90/10 gender gap in college admissions favoring women? But only if they discuss it by empathizing with their tormentors, right? Why should men help a movement that is dedicated to invalidating and degrading us? These are called loaded questions, because they contain assumptions …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:00 PM
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I don't know, I like male horniness, but yeah they need some kind of outlet that doesn't harm other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:36 PM
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I feel like I addressed this in my first comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:35 PM
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Perhaps you have low emotional awareness? I'm sorry if that sounds rude. I don't mean it as a personal attack. I think being aware of our emotions is very difficult, so I'm not faulting you. I'm just curious if you've considered it. I can eat food and thing "omg this is so good", yes. It is dopamine. Like I said, emotions and physical feelings are deeply intertwined. Do you never think about sex even when you're not horny? That's the reason there is stuff like nude paintings, sex scenes in movie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:12 PM
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You quoted me, and then wrote about completely different things. Rather than ask me for clarification, or trying to confirm my views, you wildly assumed and then spiraled from there. It's irrational. If you just wanna soapbox, go ahead. When you want an actual conversation, engage with me like a normal person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:04 PM
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It's not because you're a man. It's possible that you might just have shitty friends, or that you have some depression. Are you important to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:27 PM
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Having empathy is not toxic. You aren't making any sense. Nowhere did I suggest that men should ignore their mistreatment. They should absolutely be discussing it. I think you personally just hate women and it's apparently inhibited your ability to actually read comments. Everything you've written has nothing to do with what I've said so far. It's a vile mix of grievances and projection that you aren't examining objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:13 PM
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Women don't abuse men for being born.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:08 PM
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So do men!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:05 PM
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I mean, they are separate things. A physical feeling is rooted in, well, physiology. It's an internal feeling from your body that it needs something, and is satisfied by stimulation. So for example, when you are hungry, you can fix that by eating. An emotion comes from the brain. They honestly aren't as easy to understand as physical feelings, but they're essentially a state of mind. So take the emotion 'happy'. You can do something that makes you happy, or you might be able to pretend to be hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:03 PM
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The difference between a physical feeling and an emotion? Or the difference between horny and lust?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:48 PM
1

Yet it was the only part of my comment you wanted to talk about, even though I addressed the wider topic as well. Curious indeed 🤔🤔🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:42 PM
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Horny is physical, like hungry. Lust is an emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:36 PM
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Because "modesty" is arbitrary. I don't know what you think modesty is, and it doesn't matter for anyone except the individual. Dressing a certain way isn't wrong just because someone thinks it's immodest. I thought the way the queen dressed was immodest (ostentatious and garish tbh) but she wasn't wrong to dress that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:27 PM
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Oh those men get eaten alive, and they love it!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:16 PM
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I get so much from dating my boyfriend, but I think that's because we're two individuals who mutually enrich the other's life. Not much to do with gender 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:13 PM
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Imma break this up into parts -the woman is not wrong for wearing clothes that "violate modesty", whatever THAT means. -the men aren't wrong for looking. It's like art, y'know, look don't touch. Same goes for gay men who look at all the hot gym dudes. The point is one can enjoy the view in a classy way. -the woman would be wrong for taking pictures. I personally think all gyms should have a designated selfie area that doesn't show anyone else. Or just ban photography in gyms like they do in Sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:09 PM
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The suffragettes were absolutely out there fighting dying for their freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:58 PM
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I think horniness manifests in men and women very differently, to the point that the two aren't all that comparable. But yes, male horniness is easily exploitable by women in a way that female horniness is not exploitable by men. Men have an easier time exploiting womens' emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:49 PM
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Of course I'm happy to have more rights than women previously had. But, it's sort of like, remember when gay marriage was legalized and there was a joke "now gay people can be as miserable as everyone else"? It's sort of like that. I now have all the rights that allow me to have the same problems that a man does, instead of the problems that a woman of past eras had. It's a better position, but shouldn't we be working towards a world where neither men nor women have to put up with the bullshit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:37 PM
1

Yeah, it does happen. Like literally all the time. Are you joking?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:10 PM
1

Most people are easily swayed by propaganda, that isn't a woman thing. I'm also not sure what you mean by "lack of interest in 'systems inner workings'" Particularly those last three words seem to missing a fourth word. Do you mean our political system? Government? Eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:18 PM
1

Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:02 PM
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My guy, if you interpreted my comment as a 'revenge arc' then you didn't understand my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:00 PM
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You are deluded by hate. I do want equality 🌺
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:10 AM
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Then men should have the empathy to understand why women today get so defensive over what little power we've managed to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 08:26 PM
1

The OP is about applying science to love. You seemed to be defending it and used your wife's friend as evidence. Now you say that the "intelligent thing to do" is go to a psychiatrist or therapist (scientific professions), yet in your last comment you said that her psychiatrist is hot garbage and isn't helpful. Hopefully you can understand my confusion. I do agree that people need to understand themselves, and why they make the choices they do. I simply think that science in this field, while it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:47 PM
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It's the same as the "go make me a sandwich" humor that was used to put down women for like 70 years. I can't say I blame women for grasping on to the first taste of cultural dominance they've ever had, but I'd like to eventually see a change where we just... don't make jokes at the expense of others. Except the rich and powerful. They can afford it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:25 PM
1

Idk gorge it sounds like the scientific pursuit isn't working out all that well then 🤷 🍂🍁🍁🍂🍄🍁🌲🍁🥀🏵️🍂🌲🍁🍂🌼
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:19 PM
1

How is your wife's friend doing today?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 05:37 PM
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I think misogyny and the glass ceiling exist in addition to the fact that, in reality, women aren't that different from men and a woman president will do pretty much the same things as a male one. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. We just haven't had a woman become president to prove it yet. You can see this play out on a smaller stage all the time. Anyone who's worked at store or restaurant has had equally shitty or equally great managers who were both men and women. Hillary lost beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 06:21 AM
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1st: we need to keep science out of love. It's sacred and mysterious and magical and it should stay that way. Putting it under the microscope only opens the door to new forms of manipulation and fuckery. 2nd: I mostly agree. There probably is some floating limit on oxytocin bonds, just due to the finite number of those molecules in our brains at a time, but it's a limit higher than we need to worry about. 3rd: how does porn factor into this? Does it make it harder to form romantic bonds do you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:58 AM
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A certain amount of directness. Not like, slapping my ass before saying hello to me or anything, but just engage with me in a friendly manner but make it clear through context that you're hitting me up. Hate to say, but eyes/facial movements/voice tone do a lot of work here, and those are difficult to control. Especially when ya nervous. I started talking to my bf because we were in the same line at a brewery. He was with his brother and he made a joke about the names of one of the beers. It was…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:53 AM
2

This is a very Catholic solution but no, not for me. I need my man for warmth and because I enjoy is scent. And sometimes he mumbles funny things in his sleep and they amuse me. Love him 💕
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:42 PM
1

When I say it, I mean they should consider that being single is maybe better than getting hitched to crazy again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:25 AM
1

Well then hopefully they don't try to outlaw it like they are BC!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:22 AM
1

Because I contribute to society and I can't do that anymore if I'm dead. That's the only logical reason anyone needs to see value in saving someone else. Involving gender just makes it a weird sex thing when it isn't ☀️
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:19 AM
1

Agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 12:53 AM
5

And hot women will take mid men just as frequently - look at Lana's current boyfriend. And it sounds like those men are still having sex then. What is the problem? A 1 man could get a 1 woman, he just doesn't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:17 PM
5

Most women can't have sex with hot men, only the hot women can. A hot man isn't going to bang Amy Weird Face or Bethany Heavyset just because they are available. You just don't even consider any women below a 6. They are invisible to you and your ilk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:45 PM
1

In some parts of India the wife gets gold and jewels to serve as an insurance policy in case the marriage goes bad. This is a very old and good idea 💍
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:15 PM
2

Women are better at doing other things and also getting themselves off I would guess
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:12 PM
7

That's true, men do get upset that women don't automatically find them to be the perfect sex symbol, but isn't that really unrealistic to start with? I mean, I can get it because men probably think that's how it is for women (it isn't), but it just sounds lazy. Both parties need to put in work to being hot for each other. Everyone should be more hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:04 PM
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The woman accepts or rejects because she's typically the one being propositioned. There's a large portion of women that don't even get that attention (ugly, fat, old, etc) even if they would prefer to. They don't complain about lack of sexual success in the same way the men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:56 PM
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Men also have a discrepancy between sexual fantasy and "wife material". Men fantasize about a big boobed, big assed baddy, but eventually they want to marry a gentle woman who they can be emotionally vulnerable with. Obviously it's ideal for both parties to be smoking hot and emotionally compatible, but that's very rare. Most of us can have one or the other and we have to make do. That's why fantasy is popular, be it porn for men or romance novels for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:16 PM
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Those are the best times to make mistakes though!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:08 PM
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Yeah I mean not all men sure, but you gotta prioritize your own safety. It's completely possible to live your life with minimal interaction with anyone so yeah, no harm in excluding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:59 PM
1

I thought it was understood that we were working with generalizations like the OP. Everything changes if we consider individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:29 AM
1

You're mixing individuals vs groups. Obviously if an individual doesn't want to be talked about, they should set that boundary with their partner. However, straight men also don't care about other people's consent in the way you mean, clearly, because of the aforementioned locker room talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:10 PM
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Well yeah, someone being in the room during intimacy is a turn off when you don't want them there, that isn't surprising. Having a private conversation with someone else doesn't take away from intimacy though, unless the man is insecure about something. I'm not even suggesting that someone in a committed relationship shouldn't request that their partner not talk about the details - but they do need to be up front about that. It's a boundary that must be set, not taken for granted. Usually that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:04 PM
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Yeah because men still subconsciously think of women as property and he doesn't want to divulge the details of "his" woman to a potential thief (other men). He doesn't care about women he doesn't want. It's a very tired worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:58 PM
1

You could try. What are some other things that those three groups do, that straight men don't do, that would be a problem if they did?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:55 PM
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Telling someone about a hookup is not the same as recording - that is wrong. But just sharing details doesn't take away from the specialness or the intimacy. That's too emotional to come through to a third party.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:13 PM
0

Sounds like a subjective opinion 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:09 PM
1

Straight women are equally on the receiving end of locker room talk
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:08 PM
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I did not tell straight men to not be hung up over it, I said that the reason they are is a mystery since everyone else doesn't have this problem. What tact is there to, behind someones back, reveal information about them you understand that they might not want you to share with others? The language used. The environment is is discussed in. The intent behind the conversation in the first place. There is also an openness and a mutual understanding that straight men seem to not have as much of. To…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:25 PM
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They'll describe how the man fucked her, his confidence, the size of his dick, each vein on it, the taste, the damn birthmark on his ass cheek. This isn't just about a one night stand either, they'll do it when they're in a relationship with the guy! This is completely normal amongst gay men, lesbians, and straight women. Why straight men are so hung up over it is its own mystery. Locker room talk is only a professional/workplace problem, and that applies to everyone of all the genders. The sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:11 PM
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Oh, that isn't even controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 05:13 PM
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Lifting weights, sure. That's easy enough to say men are better at. But all sports? I don't think so. There's too many sports that women outperform men in to say that. And women aren't better at cooking or cleaning either. Why do you think chefs and janitors are mostly men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 05:02 PM
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I'm so lucky to have the man in my life that I have! I'm thankful every day that we met. But luck is sort of the last stretch. You gotta have everything else in place already like being a good person and having good hygiene for luck to carry you over the finish line. I think so much of have a successful relationship is already being a complete person, and then meeting another complete person you can grow with. That any of us find anything else is pure luck ✨
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:56 PM
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There are a lot of successful women who want a man who is more like a pet, yeah. Something they can think is cute and cuddle but also control. And good for them. Plenty of successful men get trophy wives for the same reasons. The people entering these relationships know what they're doing. I say let them be in peace 🕊️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:35 PM
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