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FairInvestigator/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:11 PM
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The rest of it explained why things thought up by humans are not always individualistic. It's clear you're feeling a need to criticise and insult because you're threatened by my intellect. I'm listening to lectures regarding ethics by a female lecturer at Oxford University, I don't have time for your unreferenced drivel, unfortunately. I'm finished here. I shouldn't have lowered myself to your level for as long as I have. I've achieved more in my lifetime than you ever will in yours. There was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 04:12 PM
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Definitely not. See proving that you are stupid again. I also notice that you cut off the rest of my paragraph here, why was that? My inference is that you bring out the idea of stupidity as soon as it's clear that I've destroyed your silly ideas. Are you capable of having a discussion that doesn't include insulting the opposition due to fear of your own nonsense being exposed?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:20 PM
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You're hilarious. I've already explained to you how just because something is man-made does not mean it is individualistic. A Reddit user who is well-versed in Philosophy has explained that Kantian ethics are universally accepted. I'm continuing to study on the topic as it's really interesting to me but in the meantime I think it's pertinent to point out that you are resorting to picking at technicalities of words within my claim that the sex industry is unethical and too much time is being spen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:23 AM
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an invention of humans which then means it is individualistic. Definitely not. Society, civilisation, and racism were all invented by humans and they are not individualistic. They were started by a small number perhaps but due to a funny thing called language and communication these ideas spread and become structural systems. Which then denote norms, within those systems and society at large. Groups like ISIS who kill in the name of God are thought by the majority to be morally corrupt. They pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:26 PM
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It's not 'BS' at all, most people have an understanding of what is right and wrong and it is similar. E.g. not harming other people, not killing, stealing, lying etc. There are more similarities in ideas about morals between cultures, than differences. As you can see I've begun looking into ethics and this topic in depth (listening to ethics lectures from Oxford Uni at the moment). As opposed to you that just seems to be writing weak sentences and negating centuries held beliefs with simply your…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:50 PM
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They weren't circular at all. The question is whether ethics are relative to the situation, the culture, or the religion etc. (Moral relativism) or whether there are universal ethics - of which there are, a universally accepted moral framework developed by Kant. As I mentioned before. It's never a question of whether a person can make their own ethics up lol. Ethics are a concept of externally understood morals. They're derived from elsewhere, not sheer personal opinion. It's universally accepte…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:15 PM
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There is not a lot of discussion on the philosophy post however it does explain that moral relativism tends not to be the modal school of thought and that there are actually a set of objective and universally respected (Kantian) ethics (of which I've been reading about on and off today). So it turns out ethics aren't just something that the individual decides,... which I knew already. The discussion there is from people who are well versed on the subject of ethics and it negates anything you've …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 05:08 PM
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I didn't say it needs a derivative branch of ethics, I was referring to those creating pornographic organisations which they are labeling 'ethical'. Those that I've heard about are referring to treating the women equally and not creating scenes which are violent and degrading towards women. There's a lot of other information in the above links that discuss ethics and pornography. To say that there are unethical practices goes against your idea about ethics being a personal choice. I went over to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 09:18 AM
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Whether it's a person is not an ethical debate in itself. If it's deemed a person then one can say harm (or murder) occurs to the person which is unethical. But it first has to either be classified as a person or not. Causing harm to a human is deemed unethical. https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/dxhlua/porn_and_ethics/ This thread has some interesting comments. There are generally understood ethical values such as https://leadingincontext.com/2015/06/17/ethical-values/ And these (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 09:18 PM
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Source: https://human.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Philosophy/Introduction_to_Ethics_(Levin_et_al.)/03%3A_Persons_Autonomy_the_Environment_and_Rights/3.05%3A_The_Ethics_of_Pornography-_Deliberating_on_a_Modern_Harm_(Eduardo_Salazar) 17 The Ethics of Pornography: Deliberating on a Modern Harm Eduardo Salaza Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/philosophical/introduction.shtml Within the abortion debate, it is not the ethics themselves that are being debated, it's whether harm to a human (s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:13 PM
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https://www.thecrimson.com/column/democracy-of-the-dead/article/2011/3/28/porn-pornography-moral-doeful/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 06:38 PM
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I haven't admitted I was wrong because I don't believe I was. I just lost interest but I still stand by my ideas regarding ethics. They aren't a personal choice, by definition they are moral guidelines: Ethics can provide a moral map Most moral issues get us pretty worked up - think of abortion and euthanasia for starters. Because these are such emotional issues we often let our hearts do the arguing while our brains just go with the flow. But there's another way of tackling these issues, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:23 PM
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Some of them I've read whilst there have been other quite long comments that I haven't read at all. No frustration here, you'll be disappointed to hear. As I've said consistently throughout, the issue itself was and always will be what I'm concerned with. Not internet discourse on Reddit. Being disrespected bothered me momentarily because I'm not used to it and because it was uncalled for and the specific insult obviously untrue. What you're doing here is viewing my responses through your own le…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:29 PM
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Of course you can fake emotions, it's called acting! That and the fact they've taken drugs, so nothing you're seeing is genuine. Like I explained, they're out of their heads on drugs as it's the only way to cope. Let me know what you think of the videos I shared in the previous comment. It's extremely difficult to get a normal job after being in the sex industry. And it's definitely not easy. The female body wasn't designed to have sex 10+ times a day and engage in painful degrading acts that ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:20 PM
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Really the only thing here that's correct is that women take drugs in order to be able to cope with performing. They aren't enjoying it, they're disassociated. There are a lot of women in porn who are trafficked in. The producers prey on women who are in financial distress. Employing someone should not mean that their preferences are ignored and they're forced to do things don't want to, abused and degraded, physically harmed. It's not the same as a gang at all. I would suggest starting here htt…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:36 PM
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You're fooling no one fatty :) Regarding value and the fact I continue to reply. I just find it funny. You will reply regardless of what I throw at you and the fact that I clearly haven't read a word of what you've said most of the time doesn't appear to make a difference. All that angst gone to waste. It'd be like throwing paper darts at someone with a severe learning disability in RL, only I'm not that cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:21 PM
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Yeah so that's not quite true. A lot of people in the sex industry are trafficked against their will. As well as this it is common for women to be made to do things that they have opted out of in their initial contract. A worryingly large proportion of porn depicts violence and abuse of women. Yeah, so that's not quite true. A lot of people in the sex industry are trafficked against their will. As well as this it is common for women to be made to do things that they have opted out of in their in…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:17 PM
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Great! Maybe one day you'll be happy, but you'll always be ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:11 PM
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As I've hinted at before, you take what occurs on Reddit way too seriously. Thankfully I don't, so as I've mentioned before - no value at all placed on anything you say. You clearly aren't a person who is happy in yourself as you feel the need to criticise people continuously. You're just another incel that seems to think the world owes them something for nothing. Festering away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:01 PM
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Nevermind. There's no point trying to have a conversation with you when you're so argumentative for no valid reason. Some of it has been entertaining but on the whole you're just unpleasant. I don't need to read information about ethics in research. We have our own guidelines that we follow from the British Psychological Society. Thanks anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:47 AM
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I wasn't that interested that I counted, so no not really. So what do you do for work? Unemployed? Regarding ethics in psychological studies, I work in the field and have carried out studies which like all studies have had to pass ethics - hence mentioning it. You were partially correct about the reasons we do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:27 AM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:40 AM
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I keep seeing you make this mistake: weather noun the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc. a strong wind or storm or strong winds and storms collectively: We've had some real weather this spring. ​ whether conjunction (used to introduce the first of two or more alternatives, and sometimes repeated before the second or later alternative, usually with the correlative or): It matters little whether we go or stay. Whether we go or whether we…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:13 AM
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Agreed. And it's difficult to find accurate numbers because of the underground nature of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:08 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:43 PM
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https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/scary-evil-clown-in-the-woods-picture-id858719160?k=20&m=858719160&s=612x612&w=0&h=8w22kmXIFpuSFooHgIHCC6Dfvvz8qog9aOt_8kXN9Ck=
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:36 PM
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What about those that are not in the industry by choice? I.e. those trafficked in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:19 PM
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https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.607816393.7682/poster,504x498,f8f8f8-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u2.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:48 PM
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​ https://www.pngitem.com/pimgs/m/302-3028738_forever-alone-clipart-troll-forever-alone-meme-face.png
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:44 PM
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/109/590/butthurtdwellerexplained.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:34 PM
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Good!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:28 PM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:13 PM
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Doesn't surprise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:10 PM
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I'm glad to hear you haven't been mistreated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:09 PM
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Yeah I saw that. Though I don't have any anger to let off thankfully. Maybe as an angsty teen a couple of decades ago, but after seeing the state of most of the replies to this post I'm just disheartened TBH. Thanks for the offer though! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:05 PM
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Don't worry about it :) Why are all the users in this sub so stroppy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:34 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:26 PM
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Do you have a source for this info, and the changes specifically? I'd be interested to read on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:22 PM
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My post here is about women in the sex industry and I'm unsure why people keep bringing up men's issues as an effort to distract from the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 08:20 PM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:35 PM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:26 PM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 07:02 PM
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As I've explained I have not been reading your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:55 PM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:51 PM
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So you have a preoccupation with being right. That was my assumption and why I quickly lost interest in this convo as you are more interested in that than the issue we were discussing. Which is incredibly narcissistic if you ask me. You appear incredibly sheltered and as if you don't have anything occurring in your life outside Reddit this is apparent to numerous other users. You aren't going to see me at any point losing belief in what I'm saying so you're wasting your time. I don't mind if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:40 PM
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If you think verbal insults are the peak of maltreatment in the sex industry then you're sorely misinformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:34 PM
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I don't read your comments because I'm not interested in what you have to say. I was done round about the time you called me stupid and an idiot. If you don't give a person respect you won't receive it. Why you're still replying I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:33 PM
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For obvious reasons an exact percentage hasn't been calculated because it's an underground trade. I did say that in the other comment. The other info was vaguley relevant and the article on the whole I found interesting. So thank you for asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:22 PM
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Treating someone badly is unethical. Plus, it doesn't matter what I do and do not omit from the question. It's my post and I don't have to relate it to my initial convo here if I don't want to. It's you that clung on to those 2 points, not me. Get a life, honestly. And I can't remember their username it was just someone asking what you were talking about or something and telling you you spend too much time online. You'll find it if you look at your profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:18 PM
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I won't argue due to such an idea as 'pick your battles'. Because you're talking absolute rubbish and I have better things to do quite frankly. You don't exactly strike me as a mind that could make much difference to the world either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 06:02 PM
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Good for you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:58 PM
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So you've cherry picked some policies but that doesn't negate other inequalities. You do you. It doesn't really affect me what your views are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:57 PM
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I think you'll find that's because women who are interested in rights have enough to be getting on with, with their own. Of course women appear not to care about men's, because the imbalance is so stark that they appear absurd. Gender pay gap, objectification, violence and abuse, lack of presence in leadership roles. What have you read that's brought you to your views? Or who have you been influenced by? If you haven't read anything I'd strongly suggest you start.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:50 PM
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I'm asking you to detail specifically how men have 'less rights'. What information have you digested to arrive at this view? What are your sources, your influences etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:46 PM
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What I moreso meant was what books did you read, who do you follow, what are your influences. That sentence is just made up nonsense, I'm sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:44 PM
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Yeah that's not a proper answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:42 PM
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How did you arrive at that stance?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:41 PM
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I was referring to the replies to this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:40 PM
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What a bizarre response.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:39 PM
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What do you mean by less rights? Numerically?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:39 PM
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Well yeah I mean I'm sure it looks pretty ridiculous given the work that needs doing for women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:37 PM
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So what's your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:36 PM
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TBH I haven't at any point told them to shutup. But have you seen the state of what they've been saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:35 PM
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What is?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:34 PM
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What do you mean? Most of the men here have used whataboutism to talk about men's issues that they deem women not to care about. Is that different?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:33 PM
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Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/07/29/12-trafficking-statistics-enormity-global-sex-trade/1755192001/ It's difficult to determine a percentage as it's underground trade. I.e. unregulated. However: There are an estimated 9,000 illicit massage parlors across the U.S. Polaris estimates that more than 9,000 illicit spas operate across America. In a 2017 report, the nonprofit found that illicit parlors are in business in every state – in suburban strip malls as well as …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:31 PM
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Asking for a friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:28 PM
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I'm aware about other forms of slave labour. However, in order to enact change we need to focus on seperate industries. Especially as the systemic issues occur differently in each one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:28 PM
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Patriarchy is a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property.[1][2][3] Some patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. Patriarchy is associated with a set of ideas, a patriarchal ideology that acts to explain and justify this dominance and attributes it to inherent natural differences between men and women. Sociologists h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:26 PM
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Imagine being this unaware.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:20 PM
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Do you not think the maltreatment of women and girls in the sex industry affects them for life?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:19 PM
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Exactly! Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:18 PM
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Why do you keep relying on whataboutism? Trying distract with different issues. This thread is focusing on mistreatment of women and girls in the sex industry. Is it so difficult for you to stay on topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:18 PM
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No. But my view originally comes from a public figure with a PhD in male violence against women and girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:15 PM
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What are your views on the patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:13 PM
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Yes and about time too! What do you think we've been putting up with thus far?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:12 PM
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Yet.. You haven't divorce raped a man YET and that's most likely to do with the fact that you can't get a man to marry you... I mean... With an ounce of that atitude IRL you'd be an instant "NOPE", Attitude? Have you seen yourself? Please stop behaving as if you have a choice with women. It's embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:07 PM
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It's not switching. I have brought up sex trafficking also, because it is included. My original post mentioned the sex industry. A lot of that involves women and children who have been trafficked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:46 PM
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Who do you think you're talking to? This sub is an absolute circus of neckbeards. There's absolutely no reason to use that sort of language towards anyone just because you disagree with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:44 PM
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Not from anyone credible :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:41 PM
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This is classic whataboutism. Why can't you focus on the issue which has been brought up here? I'm not saying that the divorce issue doesn't matter but you are minimising this by trying to distract with a different issue. There is space to discuss the divorce issue elsewhere but that's not what we are talking about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:30 PM
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I don't think you understand. Women are told there is an opportunity e.g. for waitressing, they travel with the people who have promised this job opportunity, to another country then they are kidnapped and taken to a flat where other girls are. They're beaten until their spirit is broken and then pimped out to men 10s of times a day. They're trapped in the situation. There's a lot of people on this thread that don't understand the situation whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:29 PM
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Misandry doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:12 PM
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Trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:10 PM
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Exactly and like attracts like. Toxicity attracts toxicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:08 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:05 PM
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Women in financial desperation are lured into the sex trade by promises of other types of work. Also, do all the children in the sex industry also have autonomy about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:59 PM
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Given the fact far more men are mistreated in family courts than women are in the sex industry Do you have a source for this? This is classic whataboutism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:58 PM
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I can completely empathise with the frustration - it's just horrible. I'm really disheartened by the replies I've seen so far. It's a combination of not understanding how and why women end up in the industry and a severe lack of respect or consideration for other humans. Empathy, like you say. Shocking considering quite how badly these women are treated and what they go through at the hands of men. Hopefully they all remain single as no woman deserves to be with a 'man' that has these views.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:57 PM
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I'm starting to realize why so many of yall are single. My thoughts exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:45 PM
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Very well said!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:33 PM
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Cool! :) I've now thrown the question out to the entire sub as you're boring me to tears. I was reassured to see I'm not the only one who has called you out on your bullshit recently. I hope you've managed to take that walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:12 PM
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You really need to be using sources to support what you are saying. The question about what ethical porn is, is looking at what porn would be like if it was ethical. That really should not have been difficult to understand. Ethics are what I quoted above. For what reason are you expecting me to take your nonsense seriously when you are simply sat there making things up? I haven't at any point said that not understanding the unethical nature of porn makes someone 'bad.' It simply means they are u…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 12:00 PM
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No worries! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:23 AM
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I know what ethics is. They are well-founded standards as opposed personal views. Hence psychological studies go through a process of checking that they meet ethical standards. Source: https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/what-is-ethics/ What, then, is ethics? Ethics is two things. First, ethics refers to well-founded standards of right and wrong that prescribe what humans ought to do, usually in terms of rights, obligations, benefits to society, fairness, or speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:20 AM
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I know it is, perhaps you have misunderstood my comment. Ableist?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:10 AM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:09 AM
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Oh trust me, I work in the field, so I know it isn't simple by any stretch of the imagination - but the nuance doesn't present how you have described, which ironically was a crude and oversimplified idea. Autistic Spectrum Condition presents differently in each Autistic individual. There are people who go through their entire lives without they or anyone they know realising they have it. While there are others who need assistance with daily living because of it. You have conflated Autism with ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:28 AM
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With regard to your ideas about ethics, are you suggesting that the entire movement which accepts pornography in its current state as unethical and questions whether ethical porn is even possible, also incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:22 AM
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'Debilitating autism' and 'neurodivergence in some way' are opposite ends of the scale. Most people suffer with some sort of mental health issue at some time in their life and the idea that someone with a neurodiverse condition is not fit for a relationship just doesn't make sense. Autism, dyslexia, dyscalculia etc. does not negate someone's ability to be in a relationship. You have some strange ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:50 PM
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LVM/NVM are a-plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:47 PM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:47 PM
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One of its members, and a spokesman, was Douglas Fox, who has been active in the Conservative party and Amnesty UK, and co-owner of a large escort agency. He proposed a motion for blanket decriminalisation of the sex trade at the Amnesty International annual general meeting in 2008. Seven years later, this became Amnesty policy. So it's obvious why Amnesty International had this idea lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:55 PM
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As you mentioned before, this is a public forum - if I have a thought that is related to the topic overall but not necessarily directly to this part of the conversation there's nothing wrong with sharing it. I think one of the main underlying motivations for a man defending the continuation of the sex industry and a woman not, is that the man requires it to continue while the woman doesn't. Or that particular man requires it, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:46 PM
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I think you'll find it's women who are usually prosecuted for soliciting sex. Plus the fact that underage females are referred to as 'child prostitutes' as opposed the men who use their services, rapists. Decriminalization is not synonymous with legalization. If you think it's acceptable to pick apart the idea of what is ethical i.e. generally understood as moral then I will do the same with your terminology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:31 PM
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Decriminalization is not the same as legalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 07:21 PM
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I seem to remember you saying you think legalisation would be helpful. This article opposes that idea: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/11/prostitution-legalised-sex-trade-pimps-women And this one talks about how sex work should not exist in the first place: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/30/new-zealand-sex-work-prostitution-migrants-julie-bindel You clearly need educating. I'm no longer interested in the idea of proving that most women are not treated prope…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:35 PM
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The debate isn't important to me, especially in the context of the issue of treatment of women in the sex industry. Male violence towards women and girls is a very serious worldwide issue that is evident in the sex industry. I've been told throughout life in education, work, and my personal life that I'm a very intelligent woman and my understanding of that obviously isn't going to change based on a random Reddit user's opinion. However, what I don't think is necessary or helpful is to use perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:10 PM
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The 'debate' isn't important, but I won't be spoken to in that way. I have received far more insults from you than given. I have looked over your comment history and see you have a general habit of grading people on their intelligence which just isn't necessary or something you have the right to judge. If you were intelligent you wouldn't spend all your time in incel and MRA subreddits. I hazard a guess that you're quite an unhappy person. A happy person would not feel the need to say the sorts …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:00 PM
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You sound like such a twat. Have a good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:49 PM
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Hold up! I'll give you the government but Psychiatry?? Thankfully it's not up to you to 'give' or not give either. Yes, psychiatry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:28 PM
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The only way you can prove your point would be by using peer-reviewed studies as that is what you requested from me. Until then your ideas have no more validity than mine within this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:24 PM
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Yes, Because if the evidence existed that that was true then organizations like the one you like to link would be shouting it from the roof tops. Also, more porn is amateur than professional, and so more women are doing it off their own backs than are being forced. Why would they be shouting it from the rooftops? I'm not sure what you mean by this. There are a number of corrupt systems that control the world and the fact that they continue to get away with it does not suggest it isn't happening.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:55 PM
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Can you prove that it isn't most women suffering or there because they have no other option due to financial difficulty? A documentary I watched recently explained that when a number of women were asked if they would leave the industry if they felt they could, 100% said they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:31 PM
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It's a good sign when there are multiple points of view supported within a community. I haven't pushed anything, it was you who answered my comment initially. I've sourced a lot of lived experience reports from people have worked in pornography. I'm, again, sorry that for some reason you refuse to face the truth of what happens within that corrupt industry. Most of us cottoned quite some time ago and share the opinion of it being 'bad.'
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:24 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/rtfi9j/why_is_society_ignoring_how_extreme_violent_and/ I recommend following this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 11:58 AM
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It is backed by the church of latter day saints. Where did you read this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:41 AM
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The website I've been using today has nothing to do with religion and is not run by religious people. I love how you've now decided that ethics is based on the individual in light of the above article. You've decided to move the goalposts because your ideas are flaky and wholly unsupported. Trying to have a pop at my intelligence level just goes to show that you now need to resort to personal insults because you have nothing substantial to say about the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:27 AM
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Fight the New Drug is a non-religious and non-legislative organization that exists to provide individuals the opportunity to make an informed decision regarding pornography by raising awareness on its harmful effects using only science, facts, and personal accounts. https://fightthenewdrug.org/about/ How Ethical Is “Ethical Porn,” Really? It’s becoming less of a secret that the mainstream porn industry has a history of exploitation. For that reason, many people argue in favor of so-called “ethic…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:17 AM
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You're so deluded. I'm sorry that you can't understand the truth about the pornography industry despite all the evidence and further sources I have directed you to. It's clear that you have no plan to change your ideas even though they are incorrect. There are a plethora of studies and research articles on the Fight The New Drug website which I would advise you look into. It appears that your only interest here is to continue with baseless strawman arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 10:08 AM
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https://fightthenewdrug.org/about/ I would recommend this organisation: Fight the New Drug is a non-religious and non-legislative organization that exists to provide individuals the opportunity to make an informed decision regarding pornography by raising awareness on its harmful effects using only science, facts, and personal accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:55 AM
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Source: https://fightthenewdrug.org/how-watching-porn-erodes-views-of-women/ How Porn Is More Violently Dehumanizing And Sexually Objectifying To Women Than Ever Pornography has become more popular than ever before in our digital day and age. We are the first generation to have constant access to a world of information on a device that fits into our pockets. With this technological power comes pros and cons. Because porn is now totally affordable, always accessible, and completely anonymous, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:54 AM
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I'd recommend you read my other comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:49 AM
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Source: https://verilymag.com/2015/08/porn-industry-playboy-mansion-sex-trafficking-belle-knox-rashida-jones-holly-madison Say what you will about these women being willing participants in their sex-based careers. What’s clear from the stories surfacing is that this is an industry with a lot of manipulation and very little regulation. That’s exactly what Madison’s book is trying to do. Sure, Madison became famous from her connections to Playboy. But did you know that she wasn’t paid for the enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:48 AM
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Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/pornography-and-degradation/53CE5EA96EEC140224B6ECCBE4F91EA8 Abstract I have taken a Kantian approach to the issue of pornography and degradation. My thesis is that by perpetuating derogatory myths about womankind, for the sake of financial gain, the pornography industry treats the class of women as a means only, and not as composed of individuals who are ends in themselves. It thus de-grades all women, as members of this class,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:37 AM
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The sources that I copied and pasted during this conversation are not what shaped my current understanding of the exploitation in the sex industry. I already knew about it based on e.g. following psychologists with PhDs in the field of violence against women and girls. Documentaries, reading books on related subjects etc. The sources I used here were just Google searches that took seconds as I knew the content would be readily available. I'm not about to sit here and do a proper literature searc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:46 AM
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I would suggest at this point that if you're so sure of your views on this, throw it out as a question in its own post. As you haven't come up with anything substantial to counter the unethical nature of the porn industry and until you've done some proper research on the topic yourself and got up to speed on the truth of the situation it's pointless continuing to talk about it. Aside this, my personal views on the porn industry would not negate the exploitation / abuse present in it whether they…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:23 AM
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As I have said, because of the words you use and how you talk about it, it is clear you want it not to exist. You need to be more specific. I haven't said I want it banned at any point. Am I vehemently against the degrading, and extremely abusive treatment of women and female children? Well yes of course! And any 'shameful' rhetoric you perceive in what I'm saying points to unethical behaviour towards women in this trade. That's putting it lightly. Happy New Year. Perhaps you could endeavour to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 12:08 AM
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I'm unsure where you've got the idea that I want the sex industry to be 'banned'? I'm sorry that you're too naive to understand the gravitas of exploitation and abuse present in the porn industry and sex industry overall. I'm unsure why you are so adamant about defending it and that's probably something you should reflect over yourself. Especially as you claim not to engage in any of its services. It's a generally known fact that the majority of women in the sex industry are mistreated. So perha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:52 PM
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Source: https://fightthenewdrug.org/by-the-numbers-porn-sex-trafficking-connected/ What’s the research? Sex trafficking is, by nature, an underground issue, which means that accurate statistics can be difficult to come by. If anything, the numbers reflecting sex trafficking’s pervasiveness are likely higher than reports indicate. Regardless of the exact numbers, it’s important to remember that one person trafficked is one too many. Based on the research and reports available, here are a few impo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:13 PM
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It's not just 'some' who are abused / exploited, it's the majority. I'm also unsure why you think the exploitation alone is not enough to find the entire industry abhorrent, as if it's not a good enough reason? That's a wild presumption. No, I can confirm that it is the mistreatment of women that motivates my feelings about the porn industry. Especially as a women myself. Thanks for trotting off now you've realised you have no evidence to support your claims in the face of what I've provided thu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:53 PM
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The performers who make up the porn industry are also at risk, in ways that affect them as well as members of the broader public. Aside from frequent claims of sexual violence and harassment, film sets are often flush with sexually transmitted infections. In a 2012 study that examined 168 sex industry performers (67 percent were female and 33 percent were male), 28 percent were suffering from one of 96 infections. Even more troubling, according to the authors, was that the porn industry’s protoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:31 PM
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Yeah so you haven't actually asked me which aspect of pornography I deem unethical exactly and that's the recruitment and treatment of its employees. And no, you don't 'get it' at all. I don't hate 'sex work' in itself. There isn't actually any 'hate' from me on this topic at all. I'm deeply concerned and unhappy about how women and underage girls are treated in the sex industry. It really is very very grim and I think it's rather telling that you haven't expressed an iota of empathy or understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:31 PM
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Source: https://fightthenewdrug.org/why-its-not-possible-to-produce-ethical-porn/ ​ Producing “Ethical Porn” Is Impossible, Here’s Why It’s harder than ever to deny that pornography use, given its addictive, misogynistic, and violent nature, has a range of negative impacts on consumers. Would violence-free, non-misogynist, and fairly-paid porn be possible? Would the porn be ethical, or are there other concerns? It’s hard to separate violence and sex in lots of today’s internet pornography. Easil…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:10 PM
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The majority are exploited and made to do really vulgar, degrading, painful, and terrible things. And that's enough for the porn industry to be generally understood as unethical. Whether you think that's the case or not. Watch the videos I shared in the link in my other comment. You obviously don't know enough about the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:06 PM
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I didn't realise you weren't already aware. See here: https://www.youtube.com/c/AntiPornographyOrg
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:57 PM
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The porn industry? It's objectively unethical, due to its treatment of participants. Didn't think that needed elaboration.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:55 PM
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Not that it's your place to be telling anyone what to do, but it is concern as opposed moral judgement that my views come from. And if you perceived moral judgement then you might as well have been having this conversation with someone else as you've misunderstood my stance entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:45 PM
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​ Just as many overweight men as there are women it seems. https://www.worldobesity.org/about/about-obesity/prevalence-of-obesity According to the World Health Organisation (2016), there are around 2 billion adults overweight, of those 650 million are considered to be affected by obesity (BMI ≥30 kg/m²). That equates to 39% (39% of men and 40% of women) of adults aged 18 or over who were overweight, with 13% obese. The worldwide prevalence of obesity nearly tripled between 1975 and 2016. It is e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 09:42 PM
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Sorry but you're talking some right nonsense. I'm perfectly aware that it won't be reduced to nothing. Please don't behave like you have something to tell me that I don't already know. One of the most effective practices I have found is to discourage use of porn whenever it is mentioned. It's an incredibly unethical activity once you understand enough about its production. This isn't an argument as far as I'm concerned. There's nothing you can say that is going to leave me coming away from the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 07:25 PM
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For me it's more important to focus on those being exploited. If a man wants to know what he can do to contribute positively then promoting respect of women and looking after any female in their immediate or extended family as neglect can be a risk factor for girls in the UK also when it comes to trafficking. It certainly wouldn't be the end of the world if that minority weren't able to continue if all those who are being exploited were no longer. So I'm not really interested in them either way.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 07:15 PM
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I didn't say it was all women. Neither did I suggest that you personally, do anything. Not engaging in anything produced by that industry is a start - including pornography. Also raising awareness to the abuse and pedophilia etc. instead of harping on about a tiny minority who willingly engage in providing a related service as if it is a representation of anything meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 07:07 PM
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It's legalized in Amsterdam but the women behind those windows don't want to be there either. And also get treated terribly. Eastern European women especially are exploited with promises of a job of another kind, initially. Economic difficulty drives many into the sex industry. you will never get rid of all the shitty things that go on on this planet Attitudes like this aren't helpful. Educating yourself properly on injustices within the world and how you can play an active part in a change is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 06:10 PM
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Legalisation brings with it the ability to regulate but it wouldn't omit an illegal market for it completely. There would still be child sex trafficking and use in pornography. I also don't know why you used the word 'except' as I didn't mention legalisation either way. My concern is how the women and girls are treated, not whether it's legal or not. The entire industry is just dire either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:48 PM
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Yeah it doesn't really concern me whether these few people claim to 'enjoy' it etc. That alone doesn't mean that the majority of the sex trade including (especially) prostitution isn't a system of exploitation of which many many girls and women are beaten, raped, abused, neglected, and sometimes killed. And that's the problem. Generally speaking women should not be seen as people who will willingly accept being used for sex as a service to men. And especially not for minimum wage. The physical a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:41 PM
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Okay, yeah I guess I can kinda understand that. If the men have particularly low self-esteem and confidence in themselves. Sad really. But then I guess both people are getting something out of the interaction. *shrugs*
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:34 PM
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What is it that you are trying to prove?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:31 PM
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Yeah I'm not necessarily expecting it to be healthy, I'm just trying to understand the thought process. An escort would cost money.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:29 PM
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Validation despite the woman being unnattractive and not worthy of respect in their view? The warm wet hole can be replicated without needing another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:16 PM
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I'm not going to 'tell' anyone anything. But I would be interested to know their story. While they may not be forced via trafficking, that is not the only route into this work. I would imagine they are in a very difficult financial situation, or unable to attain other work for some reason. I'd also be interested in their history with regard to experience of abuse etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:09 PM
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I find it difficult to believe that someone would have sex with someone they didn't find at all attractive (unless it's rape in which power is the goal). Why would this be preferred over just staying at home and masturbating?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:07 PM
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Sex is a basic need, it falls at the lowest level of the hierarchy. People can certainly manage without it, but they won't be at their best. My view is that women need sex just as much as men do but men are far weaker in their ability to contain that need when it is not available within a healthy relationship. It takes seconds to Google the hierarchy of needs to confirm the above here: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9cdxyL6oh_c/TMoMMBntHLI/AAAAAAAAAqo/uHj4f3MS3qQ/s1600/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs.png
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 05:00 PM
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It goes both ways regardless of gender that attraction towards a potential partner is based on perceived willingness and capacity of them to enable one to achieve their goals. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1088868313501887 We describe a model for understanding interpersonal attraction in which attraction can be understood as a product of the initial evaluations we make about others. The model posits that targets are evaluated on two basic dimensions, capacity and willingness, such tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:57 PM
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Also, why would they engage in this behavior if they knew the truth? Seems kind of gross and dehumanizing to have sex with someone who may not even respect you and find you attractive and just wants a warm hole. It's kinda gross that men would sleep with someone they didn't find attractive just because they're so rabidly unable to control their sexual desires. The truth is, your explanation isn't completely true. Not all men are so desperate for sex that they will literally sleep with any woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:53 PM
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Yes it is and if you aren't aware of that and the reasons women end up in those situations then it's something you need to educate yourself on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:49 PM
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Women who work in the sex trade are never there by choice and the idea that you think they should go through what it takes to work in a brothel, for minimum wage, is atrocious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:38 PM
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The patriarchal one we're all living in!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:54 PM
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You're welcome! The text in that comment is all directly quoted from Dr Jessica Taylor's article on her Victim Focus website. Awesome psychologist, well worth following. Victim Focus - Founded in 2017 by Dr Jessica Taylor, VictimFocus is now an established and growing team of passionate professionals who work together to challenge, change and influence the world to treat victims of trauma, abuse and violence with respect. VictimFocus achieves these aims by developing accredited training courses,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 10:18 PM
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Yeah it's not that women 'become' lesbians it's that they allow themselves to be what they were all along. Society expects people to be heterosexual by default so it can take some time before a lesbian discovers their own sexuality as they will follow societal norms either because they haven't realised their true sexuality or are actively suppressing it because of worry about perceptions. There are men who marry women and then later in life come out as gay also. Even after having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 06:03 PM
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Can't believe what I'm reading. Is this satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 05:57 PM
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Oh gosh. How tragic! I've had a read through of the other replies and am glad to see that most understand, as I do, that your OP is nonsense. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:52 PM
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Sweaty? sweaty adjective UK /ˈswet.i/ US /ˈswet̬.i/ covered in sweat or smelling of sweat:
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:43 PM
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No, you aren't. You're asking a question with an answer which is obvious to most people regardless of their profession, which doesn't bear any relevance to anything I have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:38 PM
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How is this relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:32 PM
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Yeah that's not really a proper answer is it. I work in the field of psychology and know quite a bit about personality disorders and how they are attributed to people (significantly more often, women) who have been through trauma instead of addressing the trauma (which statistically was far more likely to have been inflicted by a man than a woman). All personality disorders are 'terrible'. For the person with the PD. The same as all individuals with an 'MH illness' are having a terrible time. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 04:25 PM
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BPD is not a disease, it is just a label used for changes in behaviour, mood, self image etc. that happen to people after they've been through trauma in life. BPD is a made up phenomena, like many psychiatric diagnoses. How much do you actually know about BPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:05 PM
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Borderline personality disorder (or EUPD) is misogynistic twaddle Along with the racism and classism in the psychiatric systems, there is the harrowing misogyny. In 2019, women and girls are 7 times more likely to be diagnosed with BPD or EUPD than boys and men showing the same symptoms. Again, the origins of this oppression hark back to hundreds of years ago. From the 18th century, ‘hysteria’ was classed as a women’s disease, linked to femininity and the female form. ‘Hysteria is the woman’s na…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:22 PM
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It's actually a lot simpler than that and it also is dependent on the individual, rather than a list that can be applied to everyone. Attractiveness of mate is dependent on their perceived capacity and willingness to meet needs and goals. Montoya and Horton (2013). https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1088868313501887
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:13 PM
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There is no one-size-fits-all answer to this. It really depends on the 2 people involved and the situation. In the long run I don't think it makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 04:03 PM
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Not at all. There's a great comment written by a therapist further down. I work in the wider field myself (Assistant Psychologist).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 09:29 PM
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Not everyone who goes to therapy has been traumatised.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 09:04 PM
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OP didn't say anything about depression? The majority of people have had a period of depression in their lives. Plus, going to therapy does not necessarily mean a person has a mental illness. The majority of people would benefit from a period of therapy at some point in their life. Due to difficult events, relationships, trauma, etc. I would worry more about the person that didn't believe they had anything to work on. I'm surprised at seeing such an antiquated and stigmatising understanding of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 09:02 PM
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Exactly. And it's Wetherspoons.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy17/03/21 10:45 PM
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Haha!
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