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A real world example of how misandry can harm men. Are we supposed to believe that the men she dislikes are receiving adequate care?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/26 04:04 AM
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New Statesman did the poll, but it’s behind a paywall. Results were something like 25% of women under 30 strongly dislike men and another 15% somewhat dislike men. Recalling from memory based on a podcast I heard a few weeks ago, so my numbers are probably a bit off. But it was a minority (under 30%) who actually had a positive opinion of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/26 11:41 PM
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I advocate that we start treating masculinity as a spectrum and stop harassing men who don’t perform masculinity in the right way. Samwise Gamgee, Aragorn and Fred Rogers are all good examples of healthy masculinity, but very different from each other. There’s no need for a single archetypal man to serve as the prototype of positive masculinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/26 04:26 PM
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Male family members are all dead now. Friends are either dead or across the country. Only in my 50s, but men die younger, so that’s how it goes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/26 10:17 PM
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The fact that the Man Cave is a trope tells you all you need to know. In many households, men are granted a designated area where they can make decisions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/26 08:30 PM
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It’s always been difficult to get emotional support, but with all of the emphasis on unfair emotional labor, “mankeeping” and criticism of men “using their partners as therapists”, it feels like there’s a new level of cultural shaming being layered on top. Seeking support from women is feeling more and more performative now, like it’s to be done in just the right amount to demonstrate an emotional obligation. It’s a ritual in service of providing satisfaction to someone else, not for our own wel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/26 03:09 AM
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I would guess that a good portion is related to being chained to a desk (or whatever tool set) for 40 years and then being released. For many men, their entire social life is wrapped up in work and then that just gets yanked away. It’s even worse if they are married to someone who doesn’t particularly want them around and they have nowhere to go.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/26 01:28 AM
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I’ve been thinking more about misandry and the retort that “it isn’t systemic and only hurts feelings.” But there actually is room for systemic misandry to be doing real harm. When we have a situation where 25% of women under 30(?) have outright hostile feelings about men and also dominate education, medicine, mental health and are beginning to dominate in law… Men already have poorer outcomes in ALL of those domains. What happens when nurses and doctors just fundamentally dislike male patients …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 06:49 PM
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I was looking at US stats recently (apologies for not having the link handy) and saw that males are victims of homicide at a higher rate in every age band (from birth to death). More frequent victims of infanticide, more boys than girls are murdered by caretakers, and it goes on. So the excuse that men are murdered at a higher rate because gangs falls flat. It’s femicide and a social crisis when females are murdered and “suck to be you” for males.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 06:38 PM
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The best take I’ve heard on this is that he’s using therapy-speak to essentially say “I just want sex, not a relationship.” It’s the appropriation of therapy-speak that’s really infuriating women. The correct response from any woman here is to just say this is an unsettling way to ask for sex and not see him again. That’s it. There’s no coercion or threat. They aren’t even in a long term relationship, so it’s hard to understand how “ultimatum” would even apply. It’s like me walking up to a rando…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/26 04:51 PM
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I’ve experienced a lot of men invalidating, but often in the form of “it would have been a lot worse if you were a woman.” So basically that men have no right to have the same feelings of violation that a woman would have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/26 08:55 PM
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I’m outside of your target age range, but when I was younger and going through that my general feeling was that no one would care, if I was even believed at all. The best case was being ignored and being accused of being the real abuser was the more likely outcome.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/26 04:39 PM
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I just move on. They can blame patriarchy for problems if that makes them feel better, but it isn’t an actionable explanation for specific problems. If we’re going to lower suicide rates, for example, we need real scientific evidence about causes and potential interventions. A plan has to be built around the problem and immediate causes, not an abstraction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/26 05:53 PM
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I think a lot of it comes down to a psychological need to maintain the uniqueness of women’s victimhood experience. Yes, men can be raped but it must be a smaller problem to maintain the uniqueness of women’s experience. You see the same thing with violence. Men are at far more risk of being homicide victims in every category except intimate partner violence. And even in that category the difference isn’t huge in the US. But pointing that out “invalidates womens’ experiences” and is only brought…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/26 07:40 PM
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Asking about sex more than once in what context and in what time frame? Separate dates? Different months? Rapid fire begging all at once? And talking about sex doesn’t automatically mean nonconsensual or harmful. These seem like questions designed for a particular answer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 10:14 PM
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Need to negotiate consent to ask for consent. Then get consent signed and notarized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 09:21 PM
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Let’s see… repeatedly asking, removing clothing when I’m not ready, saying you know you want it, continuing to touch or kiss. All things that women have done to me. I don’t regard it as rapey as long as those specific behaviors stop on request.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 08:28 PM
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“Add the higher healthcare costs women face over time and the wage gap between men and women, and rough financial times are likely ahead for Gen Z and millennial females.” The article is pushing contradictory narratives. On the one hand, young women are making more than men and can’t find suitable marriage partners because too many men are living in poverty. On the other hand, women are at long term risk because they still don’t earn as much as men?? This is bonkers. Women are coming out as vict…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 05:45 PM
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Why would we assume that patriarchy is the cause? More importantly, what is the evidence for one cause vs another? I’m interested in evidence so we can solve the actual problem, not hot takes based on a philosophical worldview.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 03:52 AM
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Even that “explanation” makes no sense. When there are two demographics going through the same educational system and virtually everything about them is identical (same economic background, same families, same neighborhoods), if one has significantly worse outcomes we should have some curiosity about why that is. Even if they appear to self-sabotage, why should they do that more often than women? We’re talking about study habits that were learned by children, not fully formed adults, so the “cho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/26 04:32 PM
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This exactly. The ruling class (be it political, religious or economic) created a token hierarchy to maintain order and facilitate the exploitation of the populace for the benefit of the elites. “Patriarchy” as an institution is a tool, not the source of oppression.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/26 06:38 PM
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Is this a future world where selective breeding has eliminated male babies or men are just rounded up and slaughtered outright? Maybe keep a few around in captivity to use as living sperm banks out of biological necessity? I’m interested in what conditions would lead to the fantasy world without men and how horrific that process would actually be. The implicit argument behind the fantasy is that coercively preventing the existence of males is a moral good. Removing the right of women to determin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 07:16 PM
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The left, generally, has an extremely conservative attitude toward men and boys in society. Anything going wrong with men, be it loneliness, mental illness, suicide, substance abuse, poverty, is “brought on themselves.” They outdo the extreme right wing with moral judgment for failure to adhere to social norms in many ways. A large part of the left is also happy to generalize the actions of some men as a moral deficiency with all men (or young men, rural men, etc), and declare that they all dese…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 03:22 PM
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The strangest thing with that entire thread was the repeated suggestion that the topic needs to be “studied.” Say that they find that X percent of male suicides are motivated by misogyny. What are they going to do with that result? The motivation is clearly not to reduce suicide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 07:35 AM
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If I recall correctly, there’s also a lot of difficulty distinguishing between life threatening self-harm and an actual suicide attempt for survivors. People aren’t always truthful about their actual motivations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 07:05 AM
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They want women who present as traditional men. People who will act like traditional men when it’s convenient and then behave as women when that’s convenient to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 04:04 AM
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Sounds like a shitpost to me, but entertaining the possibility that it could be real, raising a kid deliberately to have an inflated sense of self is a recipe for a brutal crash out. And what’s she going to do when she gets out in the world assuming that men are incompetent idiots? What if she’s in an ER and the only available doctor is a man, who she is certain is a moron? Likely the same thing that happens to men who assume women doctors are morons and end up dead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 02:53 AM
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Women can be doctors, pharmacists, judges, teachers. There are any number of situations where women can be in positions of power over individual men and have the opportunity to do harm. If a doctor has a hatred for her patient that she believes is justified, will he receive proper treatment? Even if she believes she’s going to treat him the same way, she might be less inclined to believe his symptoms or ignore diagnostic tests. Just the same as misogynists do to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 08:08 PM
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It’s still cruel framing when presented to someone suffering from severe depression. “You feel this way because you’re toxic.” People who are dealing with suicidal ideation are already primed to hear every statement about them in the most uncharitable way possible. Not to mention it’s a gross generalization that doesn’t account for things like bipolar or other disorders. Saying that men have a high suicide rate because of toxic masculinity demonstrates a complete lack of empathy. The same messag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 12:35 AM
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I’ve heard both responses as separate statements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 12:04 AM
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I see them yelling at men who say some feminists are misandrists. I haven’t seen a single instance of a feminist calling out a woman who is an open misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 09:10 PM
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“That’s result of toxic masculinity. Men bring it on themselves.” All victim blaming all the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 09:05 PM
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Her statement “So when I say I am a misandrist, I am not announcing a plan of action. I am announcing a perspective. The thought exists in my head. It does not have to translate into action, and frankly, it shouldn't have to, because that is exactly the difference.” Is fundamentally dishonest. When a hatred persists, it will translate to action. That’s the lesson of history, including men and women. The truth is that she doesn’t care if her actions hurt men because she doesn’t think men matter. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 09:00 PM
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I don’t think they reject gender norms for men whatsoever. They want different gender norms for men but they don’t want men to be free to be as they are. They also have an enormous lack of self awareness of their role in producing the current crop of male dysfunction. There have been a lot of social changes as a result of feminism that really didn’t account for the impact on men (again, the male norm is to just figure it out independently and be resilient). And a large number of young men who ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:55 PM
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Men can’t always stop it though. They can be coerced or threatened so fighting is unsafe. Or they could be disabled and physically weaker than the woman. We also don’t classify rape as less harmful to women if they don’t resist sufficiently, so why should that standard be applied to men? That smacks of “it wasn’t consensual but if he didn’t like it he would have stopped it.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:40 PM
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Statistically, you likely do know men who were abused. They just don’t speak about it because of social stigma. The dominant narrative is that abused men are either weak or somehow responsible for women losing control. Who wants to speak up in that environment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/26 10:06 PM
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I’ve found that many self proclaimed feminists don’t have nearly as much empathy as they believe they do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/26 02:19 AM
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Helping people. The number of times I’ve been struggling with something and some random guy will ask if I need help with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 10:25 PM
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As long as the first question is “what did he do to provoke it?” nothing is going to change. There’s a persistent attitude that men in relationships are harming women by default and anything the woman does must be in reaction to long term harm (abuse) by the man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 10:18 PM
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First of all, you need to separate the philosophy of feminism from the ideological movement of feminism. Most casual feminists might have read a book or two but are not well versed in the actual philosophy. The philosophy of feminism is incredibly broad and runs the gamut from advocating for true equality to post-modern anti-science woo. Some of it is inclusive of men and some is explicitly misandrist despite what modern feminists will claim. You can almost certainly find feminist scholarship th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 10:04 PM
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You’re agreeing with Goldman
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 01:32 AM
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It’s a description of classist oppression with an analysis of how it affects men and women differently. She also argued that liberation of women was a necessary first step before men could be liberated. Patriarchy can be real without being the fundamental source of social oppression and that’s where she her philosophy was different from modern feminism. Feminists now treat all forms of oppression or social injustice as a manifestation of patriarchy no matter how many logical hoops they have to j…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 12:04 AM
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Read some Emma Goldman if you want an example of an early feminist who was actually advocating for equality that would benefit men and women. She conceived of patriarchy as one tool that the economic and political elite used to oppress the majority, not an institution that all men participated in and benefited from. In Marriage and Love she argued that women were oppressed in part to satisfy the needs of the economic elites’ access to male labor and bodies: “The defenders of authority dread the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 07:44 PM
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Notice that women’s expectation is that men just not react to these insults. We’re supposed to ignore it, not express frustration or call it out, not show hurt feelings (which is a sign of weakness). “I hate all men” is essentially a means of enforcing masculine gender norms. Being a good man doesn’t mean being healthy in this context, it means having enough control over one’s emotional expression so as to never cause a woman discomfort.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 12:40 AM
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Male on male violence is relatively common in mammals. Why should it be any different for the world’s apex predators?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 12:44 AM
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Not being afraid to walk alone at night is the one that gets me. There are places I absolutely do not go at night and even in relatively “safe” areas I’m on alert. But this is something that seems to make women angry, to the point of suggesting that I’m overreacting or making things up because no one would ever consider harming an isolated man in the dark.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 04:26 PM
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A feminist enforcing gender roles by mocking female-coded emotional reactions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 03:46 PM
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“She said while 'I hate men' is a phrase that at best hurts men's feelings, 'I hate women' leads to systematic problems and instances of assault & violence.” This seems like a narrow line to be walking. Deliberately hurting other people’s feelings is usually regarded as a toxic behavior and we have quite a few social norms that exist just to avoid hurting feelings. And where do you draw the line between hurt feelings and bullying? If your kid starts calling someone the R word nonstop are you jus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 09:21 PM
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I’m tall but relatively weak because of injuries (and don’t know how to fight). I would stand no chance if I were attacked. But I’ve heard women say that men are “basically on an even playing field” as one reason men don’t have to be afraid. Or that male on male violence is almost always because of gangs, which I don’t think is true. And also weird that violence suddenly doesn’t matter if a gang is involved. Regardless, I’ve been afraid of men in the middle of a roid rage meltdown more times tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 12:01 AM
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Took 20 years of chronic tendon pain for me to be diagnosed with hEDS. Only for another doctor to immediately declare that the rheumatologist was incorrect. But sure, doctors never ignored me saying “I think chronic tendon pain all over my body is related” because I’m a man. Doctors always take men seriously, goddamit! Also, I’ve never been ripped off by a car mechanic, never had a sales person try to swindle me, never been talked down to, because those things don’t happen to men. Men just don’t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 08:25 PM
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Compared to what was going on 50 years ago, none of this is extreme. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia executed somewhere around 2 million people. We had breakouts of terrorism and hijackings all over the world. War-induced mass famines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 06:17 PM
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In the US at least (where a lot of these claims originate), violent crime has been declining significantly over the past 50 years. There was a post-Covid bump which seems to have evened out. So no, there is not an “epidemic.” Source: our world in data since it provides nice charts, but you can find the same stats in numerous locations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 06:09 PM
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Next up: Bears Needed, But Struggling to be Left Alone in Woods
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 04:32 PM
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People who track every moment of their lives to log what kind of “labor” they’re performing and put thought into how to make that labor transactional with the people around them are pathological. Women are being instructed to pathologize the most mundane aspects of their lives and insist on participation of everyone else. Who wants to be around that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 01:47 AM
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I wasn’t in special needs classes, but I’m pretty sure I would have been punched less in school if I had been able to mask better. Is that what they mean by “coddled”? Getting punched and having a knife held to my neck by bigger kids threatening to kill me? And getting SA’d by a girl in high school. Can’t leave that out. I never knew I had it so easy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 10:55 PM
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“Fifty-five per cent think young women in their country today will have a better life than women of their parents’ generation. Only 40% think young men will have a better life than men of their parents’ age.” Most relevant bit because it goes straight to quality of life. The majority believe QOL is improving for women and getting worse for men despite the other numbers. Of course, the response is always “that’s men’s fault.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/26 01:17 AM
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Elite members of society, generally those with enormous wealth, treat normal people as expendable playthings just as they have for thousands of years. The only surprising part is how many people were bamboozled into believing that didn’t happen in the modern world. You don’t need patriarchy, biology essentialism or any other complex explanation for rich people being disgusting assholes who operate beyond the law. Maybe find one of the few who behaves like a normal moral person and figure out wha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/26 01:06 AM
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My primary criticism of modern feminism is the assumption/assertion that all harmful power structures are a manifestation of “the patriarchy.” Hence the need to call out the vast majority of men as being harmed by the patriarchy, because there’s no other option for them to explain how guys get screwed over in society. I just don’t see any reason to believe that everything is explained by patriarchy unless that’s just a label that we’ve decided to attach to bad things. There are all kinds of harm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 01:47 AM
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There should really be a clarification with these studies that there’s a lower rate of physical injury, but not necessarily a lower rate of emotional injury. This type of IPV is often part of a pattern of behaviors to control and dominate the partner and should be viewed in that context. When a woman demonstrates over time that she can physically control a man and dictate his actions despite being smaller, that is damaging even if he doesn’t have cuts and broken bones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 05:03 PM
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One of the most interesting things here is the realization that my model for masculinity was a man who suffered extreme war trauma and managed to be successful in life anyway. I can’t think of a single day before my father died when he didn’t mention Vietnam in some way. Some of the stuff he described was absolutely horrific and I don’t think he ever spoke about the worst. So… my skills for coping with stress are modeled on skills developed by someone with severe PTSD who managed to integrate ba…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 02:17 AM
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A lot of the male on male violence is assumed to be associated with gangs, drugs, involvement with criminal activity, existing in bad neighborhoods, etc. There’s a racist/classist dismissal of that violence because it affects people who don’t have value in society. It’s kind of a Victorian idea of maleness that men of good character are immune from violence, so they have nothing to worry about. If they do have real threats, it’s a moral problem, not a public safety problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 10:13 PM
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Attempted suicide 30 years ago and survived it. I immediately started trying to come up with an alternate method. Ended up getting help just because of the discomfort with people finding my body and knowing it would be partially decomposed by then. It isn’t always as straightforward as you believe when you’re actually in the process.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 05:36 AM
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I’m autistic (male) with an autistic daughter. Wife has ADHD. Sister has OCD. It is not easier for women and they are not exaggerating for attention. Being neurodivergent is fucking hard for everyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/25 08:31 AM
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My rule is that I don’t follow stupid rules and I don’t invest mental energy into deciphering unnecessary riddles. If someone wants to communicate with me, they can use their words and say exactly what they want. If that’s too much work for them, or if speaking clearly makes them uncomfortable, or whatever, screw them. I decided long ago that making abled people comfortable is not my job.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/25 08:15 AM
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Autism is a perfect example. I’m autistic with a mood disorder (neither diagnosed in childhood) and it took a lot of work after being properly medicated and learning about mood instability before I could get myself under control. I was never abusive to other people (more focused on self-harm), but having access to care and being able to develop self-regulation skills earlier in life would have been much better. Autism isn’t an excuse to abuse people, but mood instability is incredibly difficult …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 04:06 AM
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Agree with all of this. With respect to violence against women, one of the things that just baffles me about feminists is their resistance to addressing this issue in a serious way. The answer always seems to be “punish men more” rather than trying to get at the root of the problem and helping men change. There’s also a hostile attitude towards men who want to help them address this problem. They need men to change to meet their goals, but have washed their hands of the task and also get irate i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 01:58 AM
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Lip service would have been not filling briefs. That’s standard practice for organizations that support each other’s causes. Are they supposed to saunter into the court and do a dance or something?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 09:37 AM
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We have defense treaties. NATO comes to mind. Or Japan. Or S Korea. There’s a decent chance of us being dragged into a major war in the next decade because of a treaty obligation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 09:34 AM
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Women can be soldiers. That’s already a thing. How is it relevant to billionaires?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 09:30 AM
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I’m not anti feminist. I just don’t think feminism will as successful for men as feminists believe it will. I don’t think it’s the death knell for men either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 11:46 PM
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Amicus briefs. I think an article on the status of the suit was posted here last week. If you look it up, you can see that the aclu and a number of feminist organizations filed briefs in support. There’s also been an effort to update the selective service act in Congress. I didn’t look to see who does or does not support that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 09:31 PM
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On your second question, billionaires shouldn’t exist. That’s the statement. It doesn’t require qualifiers or conditions. I don’t see how having a small number of women participating in the highest tier of a profoundly exploitative and oppressive economic system can be viewed as progress. You may as well demand more women serial killers so we can have gender equality in that demographic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 09:22 PM
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I know that I have a limited understanding of women is the difference. There are know-it-all men as well, but most don’t claim to know women better than women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:29 PM
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This is addressed by intersectionality in feminism, although I don’t think they treat it as seriously as they should. Very few men are just archetypal men in isolation. They can be disabled, have mental illness, be economically or socially disadvantaged, etc. They also have life experiences like trauma or abuse. You can’t just say someone is oppressed by being disabled for example, but the male part of that doesn’t factor in. I’ll give you an example. Men and women can both be autistic, but the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:23 PM
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The complaint is feminism (the most common current variant) claiming that it will largely resolve men’s issues while also excluding action on men’s issues. I support feminists working for women, but I think there needs to be an honest recognition of its limitations and a willingness to work with men in parallel toward a common goal. I also reject the idea that focusing on men is ignoring issues that directly affect women. By working to improve access to male mental health, change social norms th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:06 PM
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This is a big part of my problem. I’m fine with feminism focusing on women and I can even see how there can be ancillary benefits to men in some cases. Some feminists leave it at that, but others have introduced the conjecture that eliminating patriarchy (often ill-defined), will address men’s problems as well. They also expect men to get on board with the project and fix their own issues somehow in support of feminism, but insist that must be done from a feminist perspective. So it’s a movement…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:37 PM
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In the US at least, feminist organizations have supported a lawsuit filed by a men’s rights group to overturn the male-only draft.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:23 PM
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That mindset is rampant with women feminists. I don’t know how many times I’ve said something about how men work and have been told I’m incorrect. That’s the reason that I think feminism is self-limiting as a movement in its current form. Its success really depends on a substantial number of men changing their behavior, but feminists are resistant to listening to men who have insight about how to make that happen. At least that’s been my experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 04:29 PM
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I never read bell hooks, other than a few snippets. Most of the serious feminist reading I did was over 30 years ago. Emma Goldman is one of my favorites though. She practically called out the problem with white feminism before it existed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:10 AM
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Thank you for caring, first of all. It’s just a weird time for us to be simultaneously treated as the apex predators of women, pulling all of the strings of society and also completely inept buffoons who are barely able to dress ourselves without help from women. The cognitive dissonance is kind of overwhelming. I don’t feel like women need to fix our problems for us, but just listening to what we experience without telling us we’re wrong would be a huge help (for any other women who may be read…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 05:53 AM
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There’s an ableism problem with the online left in general that people don’t want to admit to. If I have to say “please just give me a straight answer without putting me on blast because I’m autistic,” that’s ableism. I shouldn’t have to announce my disability to be treated with respect, but that’s how it often is. Some groups are far worse than others though (cough, cough, feminists). Applies to stuff other than autism as well, btw. The “be friendly to the disabled” switch is often left off if …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 06:34 PM
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I’m not sure what people think the alternative to online discourse is before there’s a larger social movement. Are we supposed to just sit alone and collectively will it into existence? There has to be a stage when people talk and form ideas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 06:22 PM
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This is a form of objectification that’s really under-explored in my opinion. So many men aren’t seen as having value beyond their utility to other people. Boys are even raised to think that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 01:48 AM
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It’s mentally exhausting. I spend as much time as possible alone now just so I don’t have to keep up the act.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 07:44 PM
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There are two big problems I have with the way the concept of Mankeeping is framed. One is breaking everything in a relationship down in terms of labor. Normal things that partners do to care for each other are framed as transactional activities, as if an invoice will be presented at the end of the month so both parties can balance the books. I don’t want to be in a relationship with anyone who’s mentally tracking each and every action as “labor” and watching me to make sure I’m doing equivalent…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 07:33 PM
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I don’t understand how anyone thinks that mocking someone for crying is ever acceptable. That’s just straight up bullying and if an intimate partner is doing that, I think it actually reveals their own discomfort with having to support another person. Men who are mocked or criticized for crying once will likely never do it in front of their partner again. It’s a good way to remove emotional depth from a relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 07:14 PM
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Absolute emotional self control is required, but also the ability to produce the right emotions on demand. I know many women will mock this and deny that men have to do this. This is something that we autistic people have to learn to do in public when we mask our autistic traits to fit in with the neurotypicals. That includes masking emotional dysfunction if that’s something we deal with. It’s widely recognized that masking is psychologically harmful also. This is exactly the behavior I see typi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 07:01 PM
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You could also argue that it’s avoidant behavior in response to emotional abuse in some cases. There’s a lot of recognition that when men control the finances of women or control when they can leave the house and who they can see, that’s abuse. But there isn’t the same recognition about women trying to control the emotional lives of men or micromanage how they do household chores. Shaming for weaponized incompetence essentially takes the place of beatings from a controlling husband. Less violent…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 06:46 PM
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I doubt I would. I don’t think it’s possible to just be a normal person in the world these days and also date. Some sort of performance has to be going on and I just don’t have the patience for that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/25 11:42 PM
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I’m not convinced that women are actually pickier. I think that’s the story they tell themselves. The reality is that a significant number of men have just stopped approaching women either because they lack confidence or they listened to women who demanded that men stop approaching. Now women are choosing between a smaller group of maladjusted men and men who are confident enough that they know they will be successful when approaching. This gives women the perception of pickiness and high standa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/25 10:08 PM
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The NYT has complained about an insufficient number of men dating before. See, women refuse to date men because they’re dangerous, lazy scumbags, but when men aren’t available to be rejected, they to be called out for not stepping up. Anyway, I would bet that the actual Ukrainian women are more upset about the deaths than a poor dating scene. This is likely media trash that doesn’t reflect reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 01:33 AM
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My father didn’t go a day without mentioning Vietnam until he died a few years ago. Once in a while he would talk about witnessing something that was horrific nightmare material. That’s what he had to live with every day for 55 years. Worrying at home doesn’t compare.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 01:19 AM
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Men getting killed- women most affected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 01:11 AM
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Men do use more violent methods, but are also more successful even when using less violent methods. Studies of survivors have shown that men have higher suicidal intent scores. Once they decide, they’re more committed to following through. I think the selection of more violent methods is more of an indicator of intent than a result of men just being violent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 06:36 AM
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It isn’t an issue distinct to men, but the fact that men are dying at a much higher rate is extremely concerning and indicates that current treatments and/or interventions are not as effective for men as they are for women. Regardless of the number of attempted suicides in women, you can’t ignore the fact that men are just more successful. They are actually dying at a much higher rate. Also, looking at just attempts can be somewhat misleading because a single person who attempts multiple times b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 04:32 AM
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I’m not defending the rest of the post. It’s a little over the top. I’m just tired of the talking point that men killing themselves, overdosing on drugs, drinking themselves to death or dying early from other causes because they just don’t see themselves as having value isn’t a big deal because woman have problems. What’s a worse outcome than death?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 03:35 AM
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Normally with a health condition, we would be extremely concerned if one gender has four times the fatalities even if the other has a higher rate of diagnosed cases. That’s a huge disparity in poor outcomes for disease progression. It seems like women are being successfully treated at a higher rate, hence not dying as often.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 03:06 AM
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It just astonishes me that half the population goes through puberty and young adulthood as males, yet significant numbers of women still don’t believe that unwanted erections are a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 04:07 AM
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That men are not actually looking out for each other, like some society of bros that some women believe exists That we are afraid of other men, especially the ones we know are unstable and will send us to the hospital without a second thought. That being alone in public with your own child can be incredibly stressful if they have a tantrum because of people who assume that a guy with a screaming child is a pedophile (speaking from experience here - someone actually threatened to call the police …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 11:33 PM
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After thinking a little, I believe the difference is because men are answering the questions based on a personal self-image (would they enjoy SA) and women are basing answers on how they believe men work. I have noticed in conversations that a lot of women don’t understand men as well as they think they do and are often incredulous when told otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 09:01 PM
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I have no idea. It’s a surprising result. I hope someone has been doing some research on that since 2019.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 07:24 PM
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But the cultural assumption seems to be moving in the opposite direction for men and women. What’s up with that? I’ve seen a lot of content over the past decade criticizing that trope, but nothing I can think of that defends it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/25 06:19 PM
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Something that’s often missing from these statistics (and conversations) is that the victims are much more likely to be members of a vulnerable group, like disabled or mentally ill. Women aren’t just victimizing men at random for the most part, they target men who are less able to defend themselves. The public perception might change substantially if anyone was mentioning women deliberately coercing neurodivergent or mentally ill men into sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/25 11:28 PM
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As an autistic man, there’s a long list of mistreatment in my past from both from both men and women for having autistic traits. I guess the only part of that that’s unique to being a man is that women interpret a lot of autistic traits as creepy, so autistic women at least don’t get the extra creep bonus that men get. Also was super underweight when I was a teenager into early 20’s and the body shaming over that was unbelievable. People (strangers) have no problem just telling you at random tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/25 04:16 AM
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The idea that my value as a man is tied to my ability to provide an income for a family and protect women from danger is a value derived from social tradition, not biological necessity. Men who choose not to have families (and are thus not providers) or earn less than their wives (diminishing their provider role) should not be treated as less valuable humans. Being physically strong is biologically determined, being a provider for a family is not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 11:55 PM
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There are always going to be occupations or other things that are tilted more towards men or women due to biology, but things like the expectation that a man needs to be a provider for a family, protect women from danger, be the leaders of families, be the primary earners, women should primarily be caretakers and so on… those are definitely roles constructed by society. They may have had utility at one point in the far past, but they aren’t biologically determined. Occupations that require a lot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 03:21 PM
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Advocating that feminism will allow men to be more authentic and emotionally open, for example. That might be possible with older men, but it’s often not possible with younger men without putting women at risk because of the influence of testosterone. The biology of men can drive aggression, but feminists (not all) often treat that as a socially constructed masculine trait despite the biology. We need to do something about it because it’s maladaptive in modern society and biological evolution wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/25 04:54 AM
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I always return to “which feminism?” People throw around feminism like it’s a single, cohesive philosophy, but it isn’t. Neoliberal feminism’s goals are fundamentally different than anti-capitalist feminism. I’m not aligned with feminists who just want to give women equal access to power structures that are bad for society in the first place. They really don’t have a problem with patriarchy as long as they get to be oppressors as well. We should be working together to get rid of those structures…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 11:46 PM
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I’m not sure why they would be surprised that such a comment would be get them banned in a space dedicated to men answer questions about being men. Regardless of whether or not it even has merit, it isn’t the appropriate forum. If you deliberately troll a sub, of course you get banned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 11:37 PM
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It’s a bizarre Sins of the Father kind of argument. Some men, in the past, shaped our society. I certainly didn’t do it personally and telling a 17 year old kid with no life experience that he’s responsible for the problems of the world because “men created it” is obscene. People have been making arguments like this since the beginning of time. What’s disturbing to me is that both women and men on the left have really latched on to it in this context and actively encourage it. It’s really frustr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 06:44 PM
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I personally agree with feminist goals with respect to removing systemic bias against women. If we’re talking about Feminism as a philosophy though, I have to ask which Feminism? Postmodern? White/neoliberal? Anti-capitalist? 4th wave? It’s never clear when speaking to someone. Postmodernist feminism comes with all of the postmodernist baggage and rejection of science. Neoliberal feminism is horrific to anyone who isn’t a middle/upper class western white woman. It’s actively harmful to women in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 06:20 PM
1

South Korea has social issues going on that don’t apply to the US currently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 05:56 PM
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This, and I don’t see why the success of feminism would lead to a collapse in reproduction anyway. People aren’t reproducing right now because of economic issues primarily, and that will hopefully be a short term problem. If it isn’t, that can’t be blamed on feminists. Even in the most extreme form of feminism, where men lose all political power and most civil rights (which I think is somewhat outlandish), you don’t need that many males to sustain a healthy breeding population. If future women w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 04:12 AM
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I keep hearing stuff like women want men to set themselves free, but women also play a huge role in enforcing male gender roles. Or at least enforcing that there is a gender role even if they can’t say exactly what it is. I might be an outlier (probably am), but I learned to repress emotions because of pressure from women, not men, despite what feminists say about men being the ones responsible for that behavior. Women, even feminists, can be strict enforcers of male stereotypes when they feel l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 12:29 AM
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Need them for what? I’m a paycheck backed by a life insurance policy who can fix stuff and will listen patiently to venting about the evils of men. Needed and valued are different verbs and it seems that only one applies in the modern world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/25 07:00 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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