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There is little I loathe more than the concept of a "safe space" (in the sense commonly used on the internet).
/r/MensRights18/06/12 04:49 PM
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Warning: triggering ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
/r/MensRights18/06/12 04:44 PM
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But seriously, if there is a concern about cheating even before the wedding day, why even bother going through the marriage?
/r/MensRights10/06/12 06:52 AM
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It will be a slow process, but I don't think it's hopeless. A few years ago I didn't understand the issues and would have been appalled at the idea of MR. Now I'm a staunch supporter. It just takes time. As society falls apart because of feminist ideology (and there's no way it can fail to do that) people will begin to understand.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 12:29 AM
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I think it's OK to have spaces that are for women only, but "womyn" are the first ones to howl when men want spaces for men only.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 10:23 PM
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I understand the marketing logic, but the depressing part is the underlying psychology that makes it work. It would seem that a great many women like to feel that they are being catered to above men -- to the degree of placing women's physical health above that of men -- and that they would favor a company that projects an image of doing so.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 04:37 PM
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Sorry. Best of luck finding better work.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 04:03 PM
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At this point in my life I have zero idealism. Even about MR. Human beings are what we are, and our behavior has been selected over a very long period of time; unless the environment changes profoundly, humans will always like this. The best you can do is adapt to a shitty situation. Best of luck finding work... My thoughts are with you.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 05:13 AM
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Sounds to me like the hypergamous would end up getting raped by bandits. Well, there's that. Anarchists (whether consciously anarchist or not) never think about the downside of dispensing with generally applied legal and moral principles.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 04:25 AM
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I understand how you feel, but I tend to be a pragmatist about this kind of thing. I'm not too tall myself, but I realize that the world is not going to change around me, it's easier to change myself in ways that I can.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 04:23 AM
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One of my best friends is 5'4" and has no trouble with employment (I realize that's just a single data point and is thus simply anecdotal). However, he has always been into martial arts and has generally kept himself extremely fit (though he's 50 now and it gets more difficult as you age). My point is that you can often make up for short stature by compensating in other ways that are perceived as masculine.
/r/MensRights08/06/12 04:29 PM
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That's OK, because a "Mad Max" world selects for qualities that we would describe as "alpha". Paradise for the hypergamous!
/r/MensRights08/06/12 01:58 PM
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Nobody's forcing you to be here.
/r/MensRights03/06/12 05:19 AM
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Ah, those were the days!
/r/MensRights02/06/12 04:06 PM
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... wife secretly buys Florida condo in foreclosure ...
/r/MensRights02/06/12 06:54 AM
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Now I feel left out, I didn't make the cut :(
/r/MensRights02/06/12 06:04 AM
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So what you're saying is that the existence of Florida essentially invalidates all pre-nups?
/r/MensRights02/06/12 04:59 AM
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The left-vs-right question is a diversion. The left/right dichotomy of the 20th Century is an anachronism. The real issue is (roughly speaking) statist vs. libertarian, where by "statist" I refer to the collusion between corporate and formal state power. While I started out in life on the far left, I find myself nowadays agreeing with the conservative right on many issues, particularly social issues. Where I part ways with them is on the issue of coercion (physical or economic). It's important t…
/r/MensRights01/06/12 03:53 PM
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women of color should be "grateful" that organizations like TWFC were fighting for "their" interests, and that the failure of women of color to join TWFC was a kind of ingratitude. ... women of color "were just not interested" in participating -- the flaw was in them and not in the organization. Hahahaha, where have we seen this attitude before?
/r/MensRights01/06/12 02:15 PM
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I see, this fine comment, deleted before I came home from work? Like any woman would want to fake-daddy you. You're suscribed to mensrights for fuck's sake. What you SHOULD be afraid of is getting raped in the ass. My dearest lady, if you know anything about me at all from my fairly regular participation in r/MR, you would know that getting fucked in the ass is something I might rather enjoy with the right man. Sorry, your wily feminine powers of homo-shaming have no effect on me.
/r/MensRights01/06/12 04:38 AM
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People have to earn my respect. Women who I know already and act respectably have my respect. Strangers, not so much. Given that I date men, not women, there's nothing to be gained by investing social energy in women I don't already know. That said, GirlWritesWhat is an example of an exception. I'd gladly hang out with women like her.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 04:28 PM
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Wow, this story reinforces some personal fears that I have, up until now, thought of as irrational. I keep clear of 25-50 year old single mothers for fear of this kind of thing (among others). I have nothing to gain hanging around women who are not connected to me professionally or are members of my family, less so single mothers.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 02:56 PM
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Florida is a police state. I would fully expect this of Florida. Really, the billboards should be saying "Do Not Live in Florida!"
/r/MensRights31/05/12 02:47 PM
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Given the three broad mating strategies you posit (and I more or less agree with your conception), the most equitable distribution of sex as a resource is the modified and regulated form of prostitution (mixed in with a little bit of peacocking) we call "marriage". Peacocking, unregulated prostitution, and rape lead to "winner-take-all" systems: alphas with harems and lots of frustrated betas. Marriage, as a system of legal restraints and social expectations that circumscribe limits on prostitut…
/r/MensRights31/05/12 07:30 AM
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Oooooh yaaah, let's see some more misandry whipped up together with some heterosexism and a heaping dollop of shaming. Please sir can I have some more? Seriously though I don't think the author of this monstrosity is a feminist, could just be a garden variety "traditionalist". And frankly male fashion-conscious-narcissism pisses me off as much as the female variety, but maybe it's because I'm just a cranky old gay dude.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 07:16 AM
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Postpartum depression and psychosis have been cited as contributing factors in several other cases in Texas in recent years in which mothers killed their children. This part just pisses me off. Nobody ever asks whether there are extenuating circumstances that might be "contributing factors" when a man behaves, ahem, badly.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 06:51 AM
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That poor woman. I wonder what terrible thing a man did to her to fill her with so much pain?
/r/MensRights31/05/12 06:47 AM
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I don't harbor the illusion that men and women are the same. Feminine qualities tend to be more suitable to the issues that come up with small children. I acknowledge that there is great variability within gender, so that you will find some women who are terrible with small children and some men who are great, but on average I think I'm right. Note that I also think the importance flips around somewhat in later childhood. The larger point - one with which I think you agree - is that parents of b…
/r/MensRights30/05/12 02:48 PM
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Gay guy here: I am philosophically against same-sex parenting, though for pragmatic reasons I support it - e.g. the number of children that need homes, the reality of existing families led by same-sex parents, etc. This comment does a good job of explaining why fathers are needed, especially for boys. In general, fathers are needed to help children who are on the adolescent cusp of becoming adults find their identities. Mothers, on the other hand, are necessary earlier in childhood, when the chi…
/r/MensRights29/05/12 10:59 PM
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I found it distracting too. But I think it's a cup of coffee or tea. Great video though, I'm in love with this woman.
/r/MensRights29/05/12 02:22 PM
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In the particular case of soy, it is not necessarily a stretch to suggest that soy is a less manly food, given that it is known to contain phytoestrogens.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 03:10 PM
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I'm just sayin' you can't argue with empiricism...
/r/MensRights19/05/12 06:44 AM
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You know what's funny is how predictive the MRM model of gender relations turns out to be. I tend to approach the world scientifically/empirically in the sense that I am willing to entertain many different models of reality, but I don't fully invest in them until I am sure that they are actually predictive, not just seemingly explanatory. I have a close friend who has been coming out as a gay guy for the past year or two. I have made certain predictions about how his close woman friend would beh…
/r/MensRights19/05/12 06:11 AM
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I try to be a macho-dude 24/7. like every guy I see. Well the cool ones anyway Because men who are not macho do not exist to her as men.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:26 AM
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She sounds mentally unstable.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:25 AM
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By existing.
/r/MensRights09/05/12 03:06 PM
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No, somebody will take it seriously and before you know it, "MRAs love the KKK" will be plastered all over Jezebel, Mantitties, and SPLC.
/r/MensRights07/05/12 04:47 AM
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Keep dreaming...
/r/MensRights06/05/12 09:02 PM
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He means he was born a man and then started seeking various forms of medical intervention to create the illusion of being a woman. "Pretendbian", in the lingo of the radical feminists, when focusing on their one and only issue with which I agree.
/r/MensRights06/05/12 05:33 PM
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I would think that you, as a transgender, would be the first to acknowledge the differences between genders. If not, why the fuck are you seeking medical intervention and chopping your dick off?
/r/MensRights06/05/12 05:14 PM
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Men can be nutcases also, I never said otherwise. I cite my ex-partner and my recent ex-boyfriend as prime examples. But, in general terms, on average, acknowledging variability, women and men are crazy in different ways.
/r/MensRights06/05/12 04:53 PM
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No: in this particular case, she really is crazy.
/r/MensRights06/05/12 04:46 PM
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Susceptibility to manipulation: Can the friend be used in order to gain greater influence over her SO? Will he spy, do legwork, serve as a bodyguard, or provide resources if cajoled? Lower ranking males are tolerated if they’re useful. Pity this puts them at risk of being placed on the chopping block if they learn “too much.” I have a friend whose wife apparently approves of me (and she doesn't approve of much). My hunch is that she believes I will act in the role of policewoman because I'm gay.…
/r/MensRights06/05/12 04:10 PM
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They needed a study to show that?
/r/MensRights04/05/12 01:36 PM
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Gay male partnerships are not founded on sex. Of course they begin that way (as do hetero relationships) but it is not uncommon for the emotional bond to be sufficiently strong that sexual fidelity eventually becomes a low priority. Most of my gay male friends are partnered. I know a number of very long-lasting gay male partnerships (> 10 years, 20+ years in one case), and in many of them, non-monogamy is not a serious issue, i.e. the non-monogamous nature of the relationship does not cause prob…
/r/MensRights04/05/12 05:35 AM
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Regarding the professor himself: According to Kyle's faculty bio, his "teaching and research interests revolve around the application of critical theories such as Critical Literary Theory, Feminism(s), Frankfurt School Critical Theory, Marxism, etc., to specific social problems and public policies." He is widely published in "academic journals ranging from Social Justice to Humanity & Society to the Journal of Primary Preventions." Source. Also: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0260137…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 03:08 PM
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This reddit, like any other, has its circlejerky moments. But I agree with you about the value of seeing all these stories in one place. I don't remember what first drew me to r/MR, but I learned a lot when I first started reading it. Chiefly, what I learned is that there are systematic difficulties faced by men (primarily straight men), even though I was aware of many anecdotal instances of (e.g.) egregious spousal support rulings. Basically, the density of information presented here allowed ma…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 02:50 PM
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Cross-sectional study. No way to prove causation, in either direction, without external data. Still, I agree with your interpretation from personal experience. In fact, I just had a phone conversation with a buddy (another gay guy), where we agreed that, outside the context of an emotional connection, kissing is much more difficult than getting off. Also, with my recent ex, I knew we were circling the drain when he began to withdraw non-sexual physical affection, even though we were still fuckin…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 05:37 AM
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I've left out gays as nobody generally objects to how gays and lesbians handle sexual objectification. I can't count how many times I've heard people talk about how gay men are sleazy and superficial. It may or may not be true, but we are typically honest about what we like and can negotiate sex with a minimum of bs.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 05:29 AM
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TL;DR: Patriarchy.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 04:01 AM
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That is a reasonable observation but there could be a deeper story here. The jobs are not exactly the same, because waiters at high-end restaurants are expected to know wines and be sufficiently educated about the menu and the ingredients that they can act as resources for customers. The salient question is whether women have an opportunity to move into such positions (if not, then it is gender-based discrimination, if so, then other factors are driving women's choices). I can't predict whether …
/r/MensRights02/05/12 02:56 AM
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I'm prepared to believe that upon stratification by profession, job description, adjusting for hours worked, in some professions, for some jobs, men are paid a higher wage than women, and that overt discrimination is the causal factor. However, the 77:100 statistic marginalizes over so many variables, is so rife with confounding, that to use it in 2012 smacks of obvious demagoguery. Repeating this very misleading statistic only weakens the feminist position. I would respect the wage gap issue mo…
/r/MensRights01/05/12 03:52 PM
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It's just campaign propaganda. That Romney, see how elitist he is, every woman should be able to stay at home and raise her children, not just rich women! It's so unfair that there are too few alpha males to go around, so let Big Nanny State take care of you. Say no to evil alpha males who make you single mothers work. Obama 2012!
/r/MensRights01/05/12 07:06 AM
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proudly pronouncing: My name's FascistOrigami and I'm a misogynist! Edit: to the MRAs who are downvoting because it "looks bad": you're never going to get anywhere if you're afraid of being labeled "misogynist". Any important MR issue will always be perceived by feminists as "misogyny", no matter how rational, no matter how real the problem is for men. It's better just to own the world and deactivate its power in your mind. To the feminists who are downvoting: carry on.
/r/MensRights01/05/12 04:52 AM
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This whole debate is a classic failure to conduct causal inference in a rigorous manner.
/r/MensRights30/04/12 07:01 AM
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Being posted to SRS is a sign of success. It is better to be feared/hated than ignored.
/r/MensRights30/04/12 05:21 AM
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No we don't. They already have enough data. They cling to their view of us because it is the only way to protect the terrible cognitive dissonance they would otherwise face. (Yes I used that term independently, it so richly applies here.)
/r/MensRights30/04/12 04:58 AM
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I view r/MR as a resource for articles and statistics that I can send to my male friends to get the word out. I have had success in convincing a number of my male friends that mens rights are important. I have learned through experience that you accomplish more by word-of-mouth than by advocacy. It's true that direct advocacy will be necessary for certain issues like family law and adjudication of sexual assault on college campus, but these efforts will not be successful until a critical mass is…
/r/MensRights30/04/12 04:44 AM
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MRA is gaining traction in society, so the opposition is redoubling its efforts to stigmatize it. Really, all of this vicious trolling is a sign of success.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 03:27 PM
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I think it would be sufficient to mandate paternity testing only when paternity is contested in cases of child support. That seems to be the most just and least awkward way of protecting men from paternity fraud.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 05:21 AM
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femibot. It would appear that this is a meta-commentary on the rote arguments proposed by feminists, of simplistic (if not dubious) logic, lacking any nuance and often unsubstantiated by trustworthy data. In other words, exactly like poorly written software. If I'm interpreting correctly, it's brilliant!
/r/MensRights28/04/12 06:01 PM
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Men don't have feelings lol.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:40 PM
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I love you, femibot, in all your Turing-ambiguity...
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:38 PM
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This is a touchy subject. We all age and our bodies change, and I think that if you love somebody the attraction becomes holistic, based on a lot of factors other than the physical. But I agree, a 300 pound weight gain is not normal, and points to casual disregard of ones health.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 04:57 PM
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My reaction to this kind of thinking is "you can't have it both ways". If women are delicate flowers who need to be handled with kid gloves but are nevertheless always right, then there is no equality and they do not belong in many places traditionally reserved for men (e.g. the battlefield, the corporate boardroom). If women seek "equality", then they need to accept the burdens along with the benefits. These days I'm uncertain about which approach is more workable. On the one hand, I'm a fan of…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 04:53 PM
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This is really an excellent idea and I applaud you for the initiative! I'm half tempted, through your inspiration, to start r/GayMRA. However, I'm not really sure it's needed. There are a few articles I might post that argue why gays should be MRAs, why by the nature of gay male life it is natural for us to support MR, and there are a few comment threads here and elsewhere where the topic has been hotly debated. But are there really enough such articles that a new subreddit would be needed? I'm …
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:00 AM
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Dogs are wonderful loyal creatures who are a great deal of fun. The only thing bad about them is that they occasionally get dirty and sometimes lick themselves at embarrassing moments.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 06:11 PM
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Which is at least one reason why I find r/MR a more compelling place than r/lgbt.
/r/MensRights26/04/12 07:26 AM
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I get pretty tired and discouraged by all the labels and fractionation. When I ponder my so-called identity as a gay man, the "man" part seems more important to me than the "gay" part. Also, I have found through experience in life, 27 years of which have been lived openly as gay, that the more I focus on the "man" part, the less important to other people the "gay" part becomes.
/r/MensRights26/04/12 06:48 AM
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Since when did r/MR start discussing organic chemistry?
/r/MensRights26/04/12 06:45 AM
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Meh, OneY is irrelevant.
/r/MensRights25/04/12 07:14 AM
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Statistics are usually estimates of central tendency. For sure, some counties experienced increases while others experienced decreases. Hard to tell whether these are actual population numbers based on registries or estimates based on some sampling paradigm, but nevertheless there is going to be random fluctuation. The article reports average changes: Life expectancy for U.S. men improved by 4.6 years on average, but only by 2.7 years for women. So it would appear that in many more counties wome…
/r/MensRights23/04/12 12:13 PM
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God do I know that. Still, I've not seen such blatant public disrespect for a statistic.
/r/MensRights23/04/12 03:44 AM
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I find it even more frightening that the author of the comment was this gentleman: Ali Mokdad, PhD, is Professor of Global Health at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington and leads the survey and surveillance activities at the Institute. Prior to joining IHME, Dr. Mokdad worked at the CDC, starting his career there in 1990. He served in numerous positions with the International Health Program; the Division of Nutrition and Physical Activity; the N…
/r/MensRights23/04/12 01:44 AM
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Have you ever been touched by a woman without giving permission? Congratulations you've been sexually victimized. That's different. Men want to be touched. All of them. All the time. By anyone bearing XX chromosomes.
/r/MensRights22/04/12 10:31 PM
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Post them in men's locker rooms and rest rooms. Some of them will still get torn down, but a higher proportion will remain. Edit: This Youtube video needs a link with a separate title. There is much more to it than just the bit about the posters. Girlwriteswhat is one of my heros!
/r/MensRights21/04/12 08:19 PM
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I learned a long time ago that what women are attracted to about tall men can be had by shorter men. It's all about triggering safety and security instincts. Dunno about women, I don't play in that sand box. But I get what you mean about triggering safety and security instincts with a more bulky physique. I have found that to be the case both as a short guy with a good physique, and also having been attracted to guys even shorter than myself who, because of the way they carry themselves, seem ex…
/r/MensRights21/04/12 08:15 PM
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This turns out to be a good argument for why women do not belong in some work environments. So if that's the logical conclusion feminists want us to draw, then, um ... OK. Certain jobs require communication styles that may be perceived as "intimidating". Conflicts arise in any human endeavor, and especially those that are perceived as having great value or being particularly arduous. To obstruct an important method of resolving conflict because it offends certain delicate flowers suggests to me …
/r/MensRights21/04/12 08:10 PM
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I no longer buy into the left/right dichotomy. Use to think of myself as belonging squarely on the left, but these days I find myself leaning rightward on a lot of issues, while still retaining some positions that are considered left/liberal. By reinforcing certain injustices and fighting to retain privilege for certain members of society, the main spokespersons for the left are eroding their moral high ground and invalidating themselves.
/r/MensRights21/04/12 08:05 PM
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Ah, the refreshing simplicity of saying "hey, let's fuck" and having the other gay guy look at you for about 4 seconds and then say, "OK"...
/r/MensRights21/04/12 07:11 AM
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Serious question, do you think there is some feminist conspiracy against men, dominating society to the point where men are being discriminated against, and oppressed? Conspiracy as it is used in political discussions is a strange word, and misses a lot of ambiguity in the real world. I personally believe that there has been a conspiracy on the order of about 50 to 100 years old to create a more docile population through the education system and advertising (see for example the works of John Tay…
/r/MensRights20/04/12 06:48 PM
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As if a man can't just go out and buy his own chocolate, circumventing the manipulative middle-man, ... er ... -woman.
/r/MensRights20/04/12 02:12 PM
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Gay MRAs: note that under the plan, women will have access to HIV counseling, men will not. Edit: I'm not usually one to bitch about downvotes, but I guess I should clarify this one: relatively speaking, HIV is a big problem in the gay male community. Yes, I'm gay, so I'm not making a bigoted statement, but rather a statistical one. Failing to provide HIV counseling to males is a big slap in the face to the gay male community.
/r/MensRights20/04/12 04:33 AM
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Yeah. I feel more comfortable here than r/lgbt. (Note: most of the regulars here know I'm a gay dude.)
/r/MensRights19/04/12 03:23 AM
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Sounds like a borderline from hell.
/r/MensRights19/04/12 01:52 AM
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I think what you're seeing is a gradual realignment that will ultimately change the political polarities to which we became accustomed in the 20th Century. Broadly speaking, people will fall along a spectrum characterized by how much central control they believe the state (manifest in both government and large corporations) should possess. In my own case, I used to self-identify as a liberal, but I think libertarian would more accurately characterize my political beliefs. While I believe that it…
/r/MensRights18/04/12 04:02 PM
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If it were left out of the title, would anybody fail to guess what his race was?
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:20 PM
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Yup, but I thought I would elaborate :)
/r/MensRights18/04/12 06:43 AM
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This is not a "safe space" nor should it be construed as such. You should be prepared to defend your ideas if you're called out on them, and anybody has a right to criticize (although a duty to do so respectfully). Unlike certain other subfora that tolerate only very restricted ideologies and no criticism whatsoever.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 06:40 AM
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For the record, as a gay man, I hate ideological "safe spaces". If you're too much of a wuss to stand up for yourself against criticism, you don't fucking belong on the internet. Edit: on reading the thread, the OP was totally reasonable in not wanting to be hit on by straight guys. I can't tell what you said because everything was deleted (which does piss me off, even if the posts were offensive).
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:47 AM
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I say this as a short guy: it's pointless to argue what people should be attracted to. People like what they like, and it's hard to control what makes you get hot and bothered in the bedroom. Now on the other hand the so-called "Napoleonic complex" just pisses me off. That's really just a code-word for "short guy who doesn't know his place", as if we're all supposed to be pussies just because we're short.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:43 AM
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I used scare quotes to indicate that by "privilege" I mean the hierarchy of privilege that feminists buy into. I do actually believe racial minorities are less privileged than whites, but that's a totally separate issue. But women less privileged than men? Only if you ignore class, and even then it's equivocal.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:29 AM
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They discovered that math teachers actually favoured black, female students in advanced math classes. This strikes me as evidence that their results are just random, since one would expect the biases to show consistent trend with relative "privilege". I'd be interested in seeing the actual statistical model and confidence intervals around the parameter estimates. In particular, I'd like to see how they handled the dependence between scores rated by different students from the same instructor. "R…
/r/MensRights17/04/12 03:48 PM
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How about: "features at least one man who reveals himself to have personal depth and humanity beyond the roles commonly expected of him, as a man, and is treated sympathetically by the cinematographer"?
/r/MensRights15/04/12 09:21 PM
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Indeed, when I read her I think "thank you Lord for making me gay". I am sure that she would consider my gay male intrusion into her online space as some kind of mind-rape. I seriously expect that she would argue that even reading a woman's online published writing without her consent constitutes rape.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 08:55 PM
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Probably not, but she's asking for statistics, which is reasonable. There is a remote possibility that if she digests the stats (and believes them) she will see that men's rights advocacy has validity.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 07:53 PM
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Yes, I read her regularly for entertainment. She is fucking batshit insane. As is her rad-fem entourage.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 07:48 PM
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And yet you are likely the type of person who, in other contexts, would deride men for "behaving like adolescents" and being "irresponsible" because they seek to avoid marriage. What you really mean is "men should be forced to give me everything I want because I'm a woman".
/r/MensRights15/04/12 07:29 PM
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I would argue from personal experience that feminism is not good for gay sons. The wholesale devaluation of the male psyche is a double-mind-fuck for the gay adolescent trying to find his own masculinity while being sexually attracted to the masculinity of others.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 04:27 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2128077/The-lazy-sex-Women-half-daily-exercise-men.html
/r/MensRights15/04/12 09:20 AM
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I don't mean to be rude about this, but it would appear that your trust was unfounded. That's really sad.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 04:09 PM
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Every boy needs a male role model. It's one of the primary reasons I have become so strongly interested in Mens Rights advocacy. This society is making it harder and harder for boys to grow up to be men. I say this as a gay guy whose first decade of sex and dating could be characterized as an attempt to find adequate male mentoring to make up for the lack of it growing up as a child.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 06:14 AM
3

I feel bad about the fact that I was left out :(
/r/MensRights14/04/12 05:43 AM
14

If your man is a jerk, it's not because he's a man. It's because he's a jerk. This.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 04:59 PM
2

The genetic risk after 35 is confined to copy number alterations (e.g. trisomy 21, which is obvious), which are self-llmiting, while the risk from inbreeding is general loss of heterozygosity (which may not be immediately obvious but nevertheless gets transfered down through the generations). In other words, inbreeding is much worse than conceiving after 35. For a particularly high-profile case that illustrates the consequences, see Chales II of Spain.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 03:37 PM
18

because men do so all the time. Oh, how I wish I could have used my sexuality to get ahead in my career.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 03:18 PM
4

Yes - not legal marriage but still ugly enough to make me think that marriage would only lower the bar.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 05:38 AM
2

Once the gender issue is stripped away, it becomes all about raw will-to-power and whatever Machiavellian tricks you think will stick.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 05:29 AM
5

I've heard of some pretty awful "steal everything" separations (on both sides of the aisle, female/female and male/male).
/r/MensRights12/04/12 05:28 AM
2

More to the point: what if one of them has more earning potential than the other.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 05:27 AM
6

Personally, I'm anti-gay-marriage. Meaning I never intend to be married. I really think marriage should exist only for the protection of children's interests. But I suppose we gay men should have an equal opportunity to fuck up our lives.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 05:26 AM
1

Because it's difficult to establish causation. Basic epidemiology. How do you know that the suspensions are effect and not cause? From an epidemiological perspective, suspension statistics are to rife with potential confounding and therefore a poor measure (unless it can be controlled for in some other way). Analysis of the activity structure of a typical school day, subjects emphasized, behaviors rewarded - these are better measures of anti-male bias.
/r/MensRights10/04/12 01:56 AM
5

Developing countries are an entirely different story. Feminism still has relevance in those places. I don't have any problem with feminists / women's studies types who advocate for women in developing countries. But in the West, there is no way anyone can make an intellectually honest claim that women are systematically disadvantaged. (Yes, I realize that sometimes individual men still do bad things to individual women, but anecdotes are different from systematic discrimination/abuse/inequality.…
/r/MensRights09/04/12 03:56 PM
1

Yes - this is a good articulation of the complexity involved. I've had occasion to observe from the sidelines how Education as an academic discipline works. Suffice to say that it is rife with extremely poor research methodology, as are most gender and ethnic studies disciplines (and I say that as somebody who is quite sympathetic to the concerns of racial minorities).
/r/MensRights09/04/12 03:51 PM
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No respected MR spokesperson (or frequent commenter at r/MR) has ever made the case that provocative dress excuses a rapist. This is a strawman that is repeated over and over again by feminists. The closest anybody has ever come to suggesting this is to suggest that when a woman expects to find herself in a strange environment, she should take precautions to avoid bad things (e.g. rape) from happening, the same way that any man would take precautions against bad things (e.g. mugging) from happen…
/r/MensRights09/04/12 03:45 PM
0

Then it may be appropriate, or it may not be. But usually when these headlines appear at r/MR, what is implied is that boys are being discriminated against. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but certainly the causes are far more complex than simply educators treating boys poorly. A case can be made that the education system has an inherent anti-male bias, but suspension statistics are not the best way to build that case.
/r/MensRights09/04/12 03:38 PM
8

I don't understand the doublethink. If you dress provocatively, what can it mean to do it "for yourself"? Presumably, if you're doing it "for yourself", you are enjoying the provocativeness, hence the provocation. In other words, the enjoyment you derive is from the sexual power you wield with the particular choice of wardrobe. In other words, there is no way to enjoy the costume without the gaze it provokes. Of course, I think the whole thing can be explained by understanding that women want th…
/r/MensRights09/04/12 03:13 PM
5

OK, but in fairness, boys probably are more defiant than girls, who tend to be focused on "getting along". Moreover, I would bet that blacks and latinos are more defiant than whites, but they also probably have reason to be. My point: the fundamental causes may be much more complicated than simply crude discrimination (though that is likely one of many causes).
/r/MensRights09/04/12 03:05 PM
2

Good point, it is rather entertaining ...
/r/MensRights09/04/12 07:25 AM
2

I think we've given this troll enough food attention for tonight. What do you think?
/r/MensRights09/04/12 07:22 AM
7

You mean like SPLC?
/r/MensRights09/04/12 07:02 AM
5

Thank you for linking this, I probably wouldn't have heard about it otherwise. I took the opportunity to also let freethoughtblog.com know of the active trading of child pornography that used to go on here but was stopped thanks to the forums at Somethingawful.com, specifically this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466025 I posted a link to that thread in the comments, hoping that someone will follow and realize what a hateful cesspool this place has become. By "…
/r/MensRights09/04/12 06:45 AM
3

Well there is that: it's easy enough to get laid if you are a gay man and not utterly repulsive (and there is no correlation with how much money you spend).
/r/MensRights09/04/12 06:14 AM
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Actually I don't think this woman is mentally stable. Really. There are a few clues: And since I missed the man-boat in my twenties as I dealt with a variety of personal tragedies and traumas, not to mention a few disconnects with reality. I don't want to make fun of a woman who's not well. Some of the other articles we've seen posted here were written by effectively sane women who just happen to be cunts assholes, but I don't think this author is in the same category.
/r/MensRights09/04/12 05:12 AM
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Not really. You find out people are people. Crazy gay-male boyfriends are still crazy. But at least I don't have to deal with the extreme legal risks.
/r/MensRights09/04/12 02:42 AM
0

or gay.
/r/MensRights09/04/12 02:13 AM
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Can't imagine. I'm about 5.9. I used to regret the inability to father children, but it sounds like such a risky deal these days that I think I may have lucked out.
/r/MensRights09/04/12 02:12 AM
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No, but from my experience there are a great number (more than you think) of bi men who are married to women but do occasionally look for dick on the side.
/r/MensRights09/04/12 02:09 AM
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I don't disagree with you in principle, but it's quite different when you're in a car, in the moment, with someone you've committed to and have been with for several years. We had a scuffle/altercation once we got home, and then it was over. So, while the breakup did not happen at that precise millisecond, it happened within 30 minutes afterwards. Anyway, it was 5 years ago, and I obviously lived to tell the story.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 10:57 PM
8

OMG, TIL I'm a rapist.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 06:11 PM
1

At the moment, it wasn't like I knew we were breaking up (although by the end of the evening I sure did). It's easy to see these things clearly in hindsight 5 years later, not so much while it's happening.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 06:09 PM
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Much like the Golden Rule, I explained if he treats girls especially nice, they will treat him kind too. I suppose that's as fair as you can get. Bwaahaaahaaahaa! That kid is in for a rude surprise when he grows up.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:09 AM
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I'm 100% gay male and MRA.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:01 AM
1

Actually, he wanted me to kick him out so that he could tell all his friends and family how horrible of a person I was that I kicked him out of the car and made him walk home. I wasn't going to fall into that trap.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 07:57 AM
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The problem isn't the slap itself, but the escalation it portends. The night my ex-partner clocked me in the head while I was driving was the last night we were a couple, even though we had been circling the drain for awhile. The sudden addition of physical violence was a new low and insured that we would only sink lower. I will say that my ex is not a monster, although I thought of him as such for a long time afterwards. However, our relationship was clearly not working and needed to end.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 08:25 PM
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Please define "at fault" in an operationally useful way, i.e. a way that is amenable to statistical analysis. Unless you have reason to believe (and support with evidence) that men are "at fault" in more than 50% of cases, the OP still suggest that women are less, ahem, "fault-tolerant" than men in the context of marriage. Then, of course, there is some evidence (though somewhat equivocal due to statistical issues) that female same-sex unions end in dissolution more often than male same-sex unio…
/r/MensRights06/04/12 06:00 PM
2

Indeed, I don't mean to be a jerk about this (and I am truly sorry for him if his gf has such callous disregard for his well-being) but with all the drama here I think the community needs to be somewhat vigilant.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:35 PM
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Dude, you may be operating in good faith here, but given all the SRS drama I am highly suspicious. The fact that your account is new and its name is inauspicious doesn't help your cause much.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:02 PM
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The reason feminism was allowed by elites to gain so much ground is that it weakens the most natural opposition to tyranny. The principal result of feminism has not been to liberate women in any meaningful sense, but rather to enmesh most men in a web of legal obligations that amount, effectively, to slavery. Of course, women are not really much better off in this system either, but they are at least entitled to harness the power of the state to force lower-ranked men to do their bidding. Howeve…
/r/MensRights06/04/12 03:36 PM
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Crying is definitely a sign of weakness, or rather, vulnerability. It is also a natural response to grief. As such, there is nothing "wrong" with crying, but it has negative social consequences if done in the wrong place at the wrong time. My personal rule is if I need to cry, to do it alone in private or only with someone very close whom I trust completely.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 03:19 PM
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Thanks. Very interesting. Despicable.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 03:10 PM
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These people are hurting their own cause. Every little game they play nudges me further away from feminism, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I grew up in a feminist household and was a believer until about a year or two ago. This shit makes it clear how crazy their worldview really is, and how unprincipled they really are.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 06:54 AM
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Really? Have a link? In what I am sure is a completely independent development, I have just been pre-emptively banned from SRS...
/r/MensRights06/04/12 06:50 AM
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Fail. She invalidates her argument with (at least) the following attempt to shame (via an implied "neckbeard" insult) The spermjacker trope is irresistible to "men's rights" activists because they believe they are perfect Darwinian examples of masculinity and as a result are irresistible to the hormonally irrational schemers that make up womankind. Narcissism and misogyny collide to make a toxic brew. She has some justification if she wants to argue that the subpopulation of r/MR posters who wer…
/r/MensRights06/04/12 01:08 AM
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Thanks. There are number of potential sources of confounding here. One is that male partners and female partners have different mean age at time of civil union (men were older, probably more mature, and with less opportunity cost to staying in the union). Also, there are issues with time (i.e. different union rates in different years) that might confound the association represented by your crude risk ratio. It would be interesting to get access to the raw data. Edit: I did some searching around …
/r/MensRights05/04/12 10:52 PM
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I'd be interested in seeing your data sources. (I'm not being combative, I just want to crunch my own numbers to see if I agree with your statistical methods.)
/r/MensRights05/04/12 09:47 PM
3

I recall reading a comment on some RadFem blog (which I sometimes read for entertainment), to the effect that the commenter was "tolerating" her miserable marriage for now, because her husband has a high-paying job, pays for everything while she stays at home and does nothing, and he looks the other way as she ignores housekeeping and neglects the children (by her own admission even though she does not use the word "neglect"). I detected no sense of irony or self-awareness in her little screed.
/r/MensRights05/04/12 06:45 PM
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And what is the probability that there will be a third?
/r/MensRights05/04/12 04:49 PM
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So much for the warm fuzzy magical understanding between women and gay men: "#MyWorstFear my brother being gay .. I'll cut off his dick"
/r/MensRights05/04/12 08:58 AM
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I don't think so. People are just selfish in general. The manifestation tends to bifurcate along gender lines, but selfishness is selfishness...
/r/MensRights04/04/12 06:53 PM
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I hate the word "bromance" because it attempts to devalue male friendships while simultaneously slurring gay men. As a gay guy, I have to say that the most rewarding relationships I have are my (nonsexual) friendships with other men, gay and straight. One of the things wrong with our culture is the way we alienate men by suggesting there is something wrong with two men being friends.
/r/MensRights02/04/12 06:44 AM
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The unifying philosophy is that men are valuable, deserving of a voice, and that our experience as male individuals is consistently denied.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 10:08 PM
3

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Creating walls based on race is counterproductive to MR, and counterproductive to efforts to end racism. Anti-male policy and law hurt all men, but they hurt men of color disproportionately. So if you want to improve life for white men, black men, hispanic men, and asian men, the most efficient way to do that is to fight for MR in general in a completely color-blind way. It's a little more subtle with gay men vs straight men, but it is my opini…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 11:13 PM
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Calm down, it's a legitimate question, given the alliance that gay rights and feminism have had historically. I think what is happening right now is a widespread realignment of interests in many different social and political arenas, not just gender politics, and it is wise to take note of that phenomenon and consider what alliances are fruitful and who might or might not be trustworthy. I agree that it is possible the guy in the video is not gay, but in my experience, he probably is: that guy s…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 11:00 PM
1

There is a lesson here about what is charmingly called the "fag hag". Not all women who befriend gay men are F-Hs, but there is a certain dynamic that we can all recognize. I find the gay-guy/F-H dynamic very detrimental to gay masculinity, and I discourage it whenever I find it creeping into a friendship I have with a woman. It's not particularly good for the female side of the equation either, in my opinion.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 10:25 PM
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In answer, to the question posed at the end of the video, "yes". I am not an activist (gay or otherwise), so I rarely if ever make public statements about social causes. However, in my personal life among gay men and straight men I routinely champion MRA causes, and when I think I can be persuasive, among women as well (although that usually involves some subtley and having to water down the message). The (presumably gay) guy in the video does not speak for all gay men. In fact, adopting a victi…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 10:10 PM
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No need.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:57 AM
1

Still trying to figure it out. I used to consider myself liberal/progressive, but I'm probably more of a left-libertarian now. However, I'm starting to understand the right's position on some social issues (although I still disagree with many of their proposed policies). Ultimately, I'm worried about the collusion between government and corporate power, the union of which I call the "state" because the separation between corporations and government is becoming increasingly meaningless. As such, …
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:32 AM
1

I'm on the fence about gay marriage. I tend to think that marriage is a basic unit for having and raising children (while I acknowledge that not all heterosexual married couples actually do have children). As such, marriages are a basic building block for communities. If we lose touch with the meaning of "marriage", we run the risk of losing touch with what "community" means (if we have not already). By making marriage less about children and more about the couple, we potentially weaken the rela…
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:25 AM
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On the fence about this. I'm kind of tired of the WBB stories, because it seems obvious to me personally that women are human, no better (or worse) as a group than men. However, one of the underlying reasons for the kind of legal and social imbalances that MRM is fighting is the assumption that women are inherently better than men. If that assumption can be demolished, then we can start to talk about how to create an even legal and social playing field.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:18 AM
3

I'm on a new anti-drama crusade, given that my careless words were kind of held up as an example of MR monstrosity.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:14 AM
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My experience of Stephen is that if you answer his questions with a reasoned response, he will ignore you. My conclusion is that he's here to mine r/MR for drama.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:07 AM
3

Stephen was the one who posted this thread to r/amr.
/r/MensRights29/07/11 05:03 AM
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Doesn't matter that StephenMurphy is operating in bad faith. Other readers deserve a reasoned response.
/r/MensRights28/07/11 07:33 AM
2

This evening I explained the whole debacle to StalinistSushi (my partner). He's one of the more sensible people I know: he understands very little about computers and the internet, preferring instead activities like gardening and construction. After I explained the whole thing, my role in it, and the various reactions, he gave me a very studied look, nodded his head, and then said, "These people really have too much time on their hands."
/r/MensRights28/07/11 04:16 AM
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Here is why: feminism has not lived up to its claims of supporting egalitarianism. If it had, then many MRAs would stand firmly behind it. Instead, the leadership of mainline feminist organizations have made it clear that they have no interest in the major men's rights issues. For example, NOW is steadfastly opposed to reforming custodial proceedings, making the specious claim that it will put women at greater risk for domestic violence and abuse, when at the same time it is clear that many lawy…
/r/MensRights27/07/11 06:22 PM
2

Salon is not a feminist website. It is, however, a "progressive" website, and feminism is a subset of urban progressive politics. I like Salon, and until relatively recently, I considered myself a "progressive". However, a number of issues such as this reveal the urban progressive movement to be fundamentally corrupt. (Note: I'm not giving a pass to right-winger tea-partiers either.) We need a new politics: one that is based on intellectual honesty, a love of justice, a respect for both personal…
/r/MensRights27/07/11 06:15 PM
3

Rejecting 'feminism' outright, or criticizing it en mass isn't at all productive unless the entirety of feminism has gone bad.... as a result causes more harm than good for the credibility of the overall MR movement. I disagree, because feminism has not lived up to its claims of supporting egalitarianism. If it had, then many MRAs would stand firmly behind it. Instead, the leadership of mainline feminist organizations have made it clear that they have no interest in the major men's rights issues…
/r/MensRights27/07/11 12:55 AM
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This is an excellent summary of gender dynamics in the human animal.
/r/MensRights26/07/11 09:49 PM
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I appreciate the desire to engage rationally. I think this part is key: Instead of "women are always victims" becoming "men are always victims," I want a space that more often than not advocates "men and women are people, and people are sometimes victims and sometimes perpetrators" Second wave feminism has argued that women are always victims and men are always perpetrators, and therefore social and legal policy should strip men of power and privilege and assign them to women. Thus, today we now…
/r/MensRights26/07/11 04:08 PM
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I kind of agree with mike_sol here. Your phrasing is needlessly provocative. Your angle has merit, but (if I'm understanding it correctly) it was not communicated as well as it could be. I have made the argument before that if women are delicate flowers that need special legal protections then they should be treated as children under the law and stripped of privileges that come with being a responsible adult. "A => B". However, I don't actually believe the antecedent A, and I do believe (along w…
/r/MensRights26/07/11 03:47 PM
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I agree. I'm a little embarrassed by my own comment, mostly because it reflects some residual anger at feminism, and I might do well to exorcise it. Still it bears repeating, just because a crazy man held certain views doesn't mean the views in question are inherently crazy. Kaczynski had some insightful views on technology and environmentalism, but most environmentalists do not advocate sending people bombs.
/r/MensRights26/07/11 07:34 AM
1

I'll just put this here.
/r/MensRights26/07/11 06:59 AM
1

And in this regard, the most recent post by the femonade chick does not disappoint!!
/r/MensRights26/07/11 05:58 AM
1

You are misunderstanding the timing here and also confusing the word "responsibility" which has two different meanings in this context. There is "responsibility" after the fact, which is more-or-less synonymous with "blame". Then there is "responsibility" before the (potential) fact, which involves taking account of your own risks and minimizing them. I come at this from the perspective of causal inference in epidemiology. No serious medical practitioner would assign "responsibility" (read "blam…
/r/MensRights25/07/11 11:50 PM
3

You are correct about the broad social phenomenon, though I still feel bad for her. Her story should serve as a warning, but unfortunately it will be mostly ignored by the very people who most need to hear it.
/r/MensRights25/07/11 04:24 PM
3

So the women in banking are not at fault then?
/r/MensRights25/07/11 12:47 PM
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Ergo all MRAs are Norwegian terrorists. See, I can haz logic too!
/r/MensRights25/07/11 06:55 AM
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I like how the woman in the comic strip is so gentle and apologetic, when a very cursory browsing of /feminism[s] (not to mention the execrable /amr and /@) reveals quite the opposite: shrill, confrontational and hysterical rantings.
/r/MensRights25/07/11 05:41 AM
1

I am a big fan of personal responsibility. No, I would not blame the victim of a mugging or rape, they are still victims, but I would advocate that would-be rape and mugging victims do what they can to minimize their chances of becoming actual rape and mugging victims. The issue here is asking women to take some responsibility for what happens to themselves. (Yes, I think men should also take some responsibility as well.) The problem, from the mainline MRA perspective, is that the legal and soci…
/r/MensRights25/07/11 05:34 AM
1

At the risk of sounding like a Scotsman, no serious MRA is a proponent of light sentencing for forcible rape. No serious MRA argues that dress is a factor in rapes. However, one major MRA point is that women need to take responsibility for their personal safety, with respect to forcible rape by strangers but also, and especially, date rape. The meaning of consent within the confines of "date rape" is the central issue. With regards to forcible rape, which everybody agrees is a bad thing: women s…
/r/MensRights25/07/11 04:53 AM
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Don't worry, the trend will reverse itself when all the cushy paper-pushing jobs are gone, and the only jobs available are those involving creating and maintaining things in the real physical world.
/r/MensRights25/07/11 04:45 AM
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Indeed, HR has very little power. It's generally regarded as a shitty job involving mostly problems and paperwork. As one (female) lawyer once said to me: "it's where women go to die".
/r/MensRights25/07/11 04:43 AM
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The beautiful thing about this post (beyond the fact that it hits all the major issues): every feminist on reddit whose bf is also on reddit will be wondering if the OP is her guy.
/r/MensRights25/07/11 04:25 AM
4

"Redditor for 2 hours". Another FJ/Pink sockpuppet.
/r/MensRights25/07/11 04:13 AM
1

From your source (which is not fully legitimate in my view, but whatever): A study conducted in Philadelphia by Dr. Menachem Amir (Patterns in Forcible Rape) indicated that 60-70% rapes are at least partially planned beforehand by the rapists. The study also shows that the victim is usually threatened with death or bodily harm if she resists. Why should a women go out of her way to be humiliated, beaten, or possibly killed? The problem with this myth is the way it takes away the criminal blame f…
/r/MensRights25/07/11 01:37 AM
3

I know. "Redditor for 30 minutes." Probably Pink or FJ with yet another sock puppet.
/r/MensRights25/07/11 12:58 AM
1

kloo2zoo: "redditor for 21 minutes". Howdy Pink!!!
/r/MensRights25/07/11 12:37 AM
3

[citation needed]
/r/MensRights25/07/11 12:35 AM
4

Nah, just downvote into the abyss...
/r/MensRights25/07/11 12:31 AM
1

Date rape isn't caused by a woman "dressing slutty", it's caused by a sick and twisted individual taking advantage of her. It's caused by neither. In a vast majority of cases, it's about miscommunication. Often, the man has assumed consent, while the woman was either giving inconsistent signals or has revoked consent during or after the fact. I'm willing to concede that we might do a better job of teaching young men and women both how to communicate clearly, and how to behave responsibly (exhort…
/r/MensRights25/07/11 12:03 AM
1

The problem is, the 'power and control' thing boils down to something exactly along the lines of 'evul menz'. I do think that violent, forcible rape of strangers is about sadistic power/control, but the feminist line of thinking likes to conflate that phenomenon with 'date rape', which is about something entirely different.
/r/MensRights24/07/11 05:26 PM
1

rape is about power and control Feminists keep saying this, but provide no evidence. I'll grant that it is probably true for forcible, violent rape (e.g. elderly women who get attacked by strangers in their homes). However, no serious person (MRA or otherwise) argues that forcible rape is OK. The battle is over what constitutes "date rape". And I would argue that situations where there is lack of clarity regarding consent are absolutely about sex and not "power and control". The man wants sex an…
/r/MensRights24/07/11 04:24 PM
5

what kind of girl would want to marry an old man anyway? One that wants to marry rich.
/r/MensRights23/07/11 10:08 PM
1

If we want a tool to protect individual marriages, and all marriages, weak and strong, then we can develop modern legislation on the interference of marital relations based on the historical causes of action known as "criminal conversation" and "alienation of affections" and on the ideas presented here. Unnecessary. This just sets us back 50-100 years. A better approach is to remove the incentives for casual divorce: make alimony, custody, paternity, and child support decrees more equitable. If …
/r/MensRights22/07/11 10:58 PM
7

Your purpose, Pink, as pretty much stated in your subreddit, is to troll and subvert. Your coy little games fool nobody. With every additional post you make, you reveal to the world your poor character.
/r/MensRights22/07/11 10:35 PM
2

Fair enough. I grew up in one of the more liberal areas of the US.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 06:11 PM
2

Difference is loss of reputation vs. incarceration/torture/death. I'm not saying that the consequences are trivial, simply that the stakes are still lower. Anyway, growing up I had to deal with all the rumors about my being a faggot. When at 16 I came out and butched up, people basically shut up and left me alone. So, I can say from personal experience that issues of reputation (about being gay) are surmountable. But I suppose it might be a problem if you were really straight and then had a toug…
/r/MensRights21/07/11 05:57 PM
3

This might not be perceived as a mainline MRA issue, but keep in mind that it is as easy to falsely accuse a man of homosexual behavior as it is to accuse a man of rape. Not a big problem in western countries, but it still needs to be stated.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 05:06 PM
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I note that the OP was made "7 hours ago" (as of my reading). It also was submitted to r/AMR "7 hours ago" by thepinkmask. He must be hitting the refresh button frequently on r/MR, or ???
/r/MensRights21/07/11 03:29 PM
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reasonablemra is a sockpuppet id probably say that its pinkmask Not unlikely. I agree that the bans were deserved, but the new site (againstAMR) was a bad idea. Was it created by a regular r/MR poster? If so, bad move. If not, then it is also not unlikely that it was created by the original againstmensrights people in order to make r/MR look bad. If that's the case, then I really do think the admins should get involved.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 02:03 PM
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Actually, there are some explicitly white nationalist articles on the inmalafide site. Some of their other articles are OK, and their mission statement seems to be to allow all discourse, including ideas that are generally thought to be offensive (and I note that there are some non-whites who comment there and oppose the WN). But, yeah, the WN leaves a bad taste, and I have avoided the site because of it.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 01:33 PM
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"/b" is 4chan.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 01:28 PM
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While I suspect reasonableMRA may be a concern troll, he/she is correct about that one. The againstAMR site was a low move and should not have happened. In my view, the correct action was to ban the mods of againstmensrights (for the hit list) and then let it be. I don't know who created againstAMR (whether it was a specific user or a mod) so it's hard to know who deserves the blame here, but if it is the action of an individual who is not a mod, it is not something the whole community need take…
/r/MensRights21/07/11 01:27 PM
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Banned from both before ever visiting them. Me too. At least I'm part of the cool club.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 04:04 AM
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Really? Over 20 aggressively petulant posts to r/MR, preemptive banning of 50+ users to (an admittedly sorry-ass) subreddit, publishing a hit-list, and now you claim victory because you've succeeded in finally getting yourself banned from r/MR? You are insane and unstable. I'm glad you can channel your insanity to the inconsequential world of an internet forum, because if you had any power in the real world you'd be dangerous.
/r/MensRights20/07/11 04:10 PM
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The mods of MRA tolerate all of your whiny, bitchy, sniveling posts, while your new little subreddit has banned and silenced 50-100 users before they have posted one word. And you're playing the victim card? Yeah, you are so oppressed. But I actually think it's kind of entertaining.
/r/MensRights20/07/11 02:55 PM
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One thing is clear from the reports: I spend too much time on Reddit. I should get a new hobby.
/r/MensRights20/07/11 02:24 PM
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The most childish action imaginable. Can you not see how this makes you look foolish and petulant? It makes it very clear you've never had a position of responsibility in the real world, and are not ready to lead anything or anybody.
/r/MensRights20/07/11 02:13 PM
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Welcome to totalitarianism. If these people were in charge of anything in the real world, have no doubt that they would leave a trail of blood. This is exactly why MRA fights against feminism.
/r/MensRights20/07/11 02:05 PM
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In terms of rape law, their rule is pretty simple (and applied equally): if the person does not consent affirmatively (either through words or actions) it is rape. A simple lack of struggle or lack of refusal is not enough to show consent. The problem is that there is a whole lot of ambiguity that comes with "consenting affirmatively" (or failing to) especially when alcohol is involved. Sexual negotiation happens primarily through body language, which is easily misread, and often meant to be amb…
/r/MensRights19/07/11 04:47 PM
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The OP: helped me realize that what had happened wasn’t my fault. Yes it was, partially, in the very same way my consenting to sex with somebody I didn't want was also partially "my fault". This pattern of thought paves the way to blaming men for everything bad that ever happens to her. Hence my larger point. Feminists want to create a society that is so "safe" for women that women never need assert any boundaries, men will always be able to mind-read exactly what they want, and if not, punished…
/r/MensRights19/07/11 04:26 PM
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I'm reacting to the more general feminist goal of chipping away at the meaning of the word "consent" to the point where all men are in a double-bind. Also, the idea that a woman need not take partial responsibility when something bad happens (but a man must always).
/r/MensRights19/07/11 04:03 PM
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On the surface, it seems like a tempest in a teapot. To some extent I agree (I mean who really cares what happens on some bullshit TV program?) But there is a larger issue here: it is OK to publicly ridicule a man who has been brutally mutilated, when if an analogous crime had been committed against a woman, society would be aghast. This very clearly points out the reflexive misandry of our culture, and attention needs to be called to it.
/r/MensRights19/07/11 03:47 PM
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Fair enough. A more careful wording would have been something like "blacks, as a group, are arrested for more crimes". The statement is implied to be stochastic about a population, not deterministic about individuals.
/r/MensRights19/07/11 03:39 PM
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This was a man the OP was dating. She very easily could have ended the relationship by saying, "No, you're pressuring me for sex, and I'm not comfortable with that." Instead, she went along with it, then later regretted her decisions. Legally, she consented. In her head she may have been ambivalent, but it is not the job of the other person to be a mind-reader. And, believe me, I know what it's like to be pressured for sex. My first meaningful sexual experience was under circumstances that were …
/r/MensRights19/07/11 03:32 PM
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I upvoted the comment because I assumed it was sarcastic.
/r/MensRights19/07/11 03:02 PM
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I'll tell you why your statement is offensive. It's true that blacks commit more crimes, but it's equally true that poor people commit more crimes, and black people are overrepresented among the poor and disenfranchised. The statement "blacks commit more crimes", while statistically true, implies that the causal link is race, when in fact it is socioeconomic status. Blacks as a group commit more crimes because they are more likely to be poor. Now, I'm not such a sniveling liberal that I excuse p…
/r/MensRights19/07/11 02:55 PM
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Really? I guess when you reveal to the world what a monster you are, it's really hard to apologize and say "Oops, I guess it was a tad insensitive to laugh about torture and mayhem." You might as well just go all the way.
/r/MensRights19/07/11 01:25 AM
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Not sure what you're saying. I think there's a missing preposition that obscures the meaning. The problem is that I am attracted to many traits that feminism says are "bad", and I also possess many masculine traits that I've tried to suppress over the years because I understood them to be "bad". It's kind of a double-mindfuck in many ways. I'm not discounting the experience of straight guys here, I'm just offering up my own experience: feminism hurts gay men as much as straight men.
/r/MensRights18/07/11 11:59 PM
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If women are so weak that they need special legal protections to counteract their inability to stand up for themselves, then I question their ability to be equal to men in a legal sense. If women are as vulnerable as children, then they should be treated as children under the law. I realize the post is not making any legal assertion, but one of the central pillars of modern feminism is the goal of chipping away at the meaning of "consent". And for the record, I am firmly in agreement that women …
/r/MensRights18/07/11 11:54 PM
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More victim blaming.
/r/MensRights18/07/11 11:42 PM
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Agreed. I grew with a feminist mother. She was by no means a leader, though she was active enough to write letters to Ms. magazine, that kind of thing. I have had to unlearn a lot of negative bs which had hampered my ability to have successful relationships with other men. If you think being a feminist straight guy is a mind-fuck, try being a feminist gay man. My sisters were basically ruined by feminism, and have made some bad choices due to the influences of that ideology. Of course I still lo…
/r/MensRights18/07/11 05:31 PM
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I know that and you know it, but new readers may not. It took me some time to shake off my feminist brainwashing, so it stands to reason others may need the same kind of evidence before they see the big picture.
/r/MensRights18/07/11 02:03 PM
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I agree with your sentiment up to a point. Mods should be able to run their own subreddits any way they want. However, there is a larger point to be made: feminism can only exist in a totalitarian setting. It does not stand up to scrutiny in the light of day. Posts such as this one provide evidence for the mindset that underlies feminism. However, beyond that, it's not worth getting butthurt about it.
/r/MensRights18/07/11 01:59 PM
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I can only speak for myself. I personally don't understand the transgender phenomenon, but I'm a gay guy and not everybody understands that either. Mostly, I evaluate people on an individual, case-by-case basis. I've met one or two MTFs I thought were freaks, and I know one FTM from working with him, and I think he's really a great guy. But, basically, I support the idea that people can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they don't impose their BS on others. Note to the downvoters (not th…
/r/MensRights18/07/11 06:56 AM
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Not to worry, they do that to everybody.
/r/MensRights18/07/11 06:44 AM
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Then why am i constantly harassed by mens rights activists I'll have to call you out on this to provide specific examples. I've been participating on r/MR for awhile and am quite open about being gay, and have had only a few unpleasant experiences that I would hardly classify as harassment. Now, I'm not saying that your experience as a trans is the same as mine as a gay man, nor am I suggesting that r/MR is representative of all MRM sites on the internet, but if you're going to accuse the MRM of…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 10:15 PM
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The biases due to the factors you mention are likely non-differential (i.e. they'd affect both men and women). I'll agree that the article is overly general. It wouldn't necessarily pass a peer-review in an academic setting, but as a very general overview of dynamics, in an introductory sense, the article is ok.
/r/MensRights16/07/11 09:53 PM
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Though imperfect, it's representative enough for this purpose, especially in comparison to men with similar characteristics. It probably generalizes to the population of women who are single (or willing to pretend that they are), looking for men, and have sufficient technical resources ($$ and computer skills) to post a profile online. Here is the original blog post. I find the comparison of preference distribution between men and women quite compelling. It is consistent with the evolutionary bi…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 08:43 PM
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I do trust her. much safer to me than a 6% chance of raising and paying for a child that is not mine The thing is, if your gf is trustrworthy, then your chances of raising and paying for a child that is not yours is 0%. The real problem is whether your trust is well-founded or not. I don't think there is a good way to bring the issue up; however, this guy managed it.
/r/MensRights16/07/11 08:36 PM
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Patriarchy, as an axiom in a faith-based ideology, is not subject to proof or even empirical evidence. It is supported by confirmation bias. In particular, feminists only recognize alpha males, so that (almost by definition) any "man" is in a position of authority over most women. Since most (by no means all) government heads and business leaders are men, and almost all alpha men are government heads or business leaders, it follows that "men" hold privilege and power over women. The "Patriarchy"…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 08:04 PM
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Non-issue. All of the gay dads I've known were fathers first, gay second.
/r/MensRights16/07/11 03:01 PM
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Damn him, he's mansplaining.
/r/MensRights16/07/11 01:39 AM
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Here are the facts: U.S. government borrowing creates interest-bearing assets. The bonds are bought with dollars, the interest on them is paid in dollars and, at maturity, the bonds are paid off in dollars. Since the U.S. government is both sovereign in its own currency and the sole issuer of dollars, it can never run out of them. How could it? How's that downgraded bond rating workin' out for ya'? Don’t think printing presses here: Federal debts are paid off by Treasury clerks making a few clic…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 01:18 AM
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There is a kernel of truth here: fatherhood is more than a "half spoonful of spunk". However, for feminists, this is only true when it's convenient for them. Basically, in their view, a father is just a wallet, not the missed holidays, birthdays, graduations, and grandchildren. The Matriarchy is happy to deny all those things to divorced fathers ... but keep them checks coming... Also, I'm told that a cuckold can be denied custody if non-paternity is proven, even though he's still on the hook fo…
/r/MensRights16/07/11 01:08 AM
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Fair enough. You are right about increasing n (numbers): even if p (probability of success) is fixed, np increases with n. But n and p are not necessarily independent quantities: it is not unlikely that the confidence that permits n to increase also potentially increases (slightly decreases?) p. "Ugly" vs. "attractive" is also quite a bit more complicated than people assume. I have been with guys who have model good-looks, but the sex was unfulfilling because "something" was missing. On the othe…
/r/MensRights15/07/11 06:13 PM
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I agree with this. I think the key insight of PUA, for me, is that women want something other (or at least more complicated) than what feminists say they want. The resulting lack of self-awareness in most modern, Western women is an easy weakness for men to exploit, if they choose. I suspect that PUA wouldn't work quite as well if women had a better understanding of what makes them tick.
/r/MensRights15/07/11 05:45 PM
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That does present a skewed view of human relationships. True. However, I do think that "manipulation" sometimes helps long-term relationships. See my recent comment. With my partner I have found it helpful to do small things that might be perceived to be manipulative, but (I hope) they make him feel better/supported/loved. And I do love him and want to support him, but not necessarily at every waking moment. Conversely, I can imagine a girlfriend or wife wanting to be directed ("dominated") beca…
/r/MensRights15/07/11 05:06 PM
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I view PUA as simply a better theoretical framework for successfully interacting with women. It need not be manipulative, or even sexual, it's simply a way to lubricate social interactions so that both parties get what they want. This is as true in a long term relationship as it is in a first meeting. I don't believe human beings want fully honest relationships. I will not lie to my partner about issues of substance (sexual fidelity, finances) but it doesn't hurt anyone if I sometimes put on a s…
/r/MensRights15/07/11 04:41 PM
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My perspective is that if a technique can be demonstrated to be effective, then it provides evidence for the theory upon which the technique is based. (All the usual caveats apply here, i.e. the theoretical model may not be exactly true, just closer to the truth than the competing model, and there may be factors that have not adequately been controlled for.) So, one can imagine an experiment where one approaches 20 women using PUA techniques, and approaches 20 other women using "nice-guy" techni…
/r/MensRights15/07/11 04:07 PM
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Well, to non-cisgendered men (Like myself; I'm trans) Cisgendered Men represent something we hate. Wow. Just wow.
/r/MensRights15/07/11 03:28 PM
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if you don't mind Of course not!
/r/MensRights15/07/11 03:00 PM
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I like the article, but I need to quibble about one thing: Women today think 80% of men are “less than average” (which is statistically absurd) Actually, it's not absurd. It would be if you replaced "average" with "median", but an extremely right-skewed distribution would have a mean equal to a very large percentile. What you are seeing is that female preference distributions are right-skewed: the long right tail represents the few alpha males that get all the girls, and the hump squished up aga…
/r/MensRights15/07/11 02:53 PM
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Great comment. Hope it doesn't get deleted.
/r/MensRights15/07/11 02:07 PM
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Sure, the tenets of PUA seduction may be unflattering to women in general. But, the engineering approach to seduction techniques is: do they work?
/r/MensRights15/07/11 02:02 PM
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I like it.
/r/MensRights14/07/11 11:35 PM
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This comment by Aavagadrro makes it clear how the state punishes cuckolds, first by stealing their money, then by breaking the non-genetically-based emotional bonds that Schwyzer is so busy promoting: My ex cheated, I now have a daughter taller than I am who looks nothing like me, and I am on the hook for support for 5 more years. She wants to come live with me but her mother wants a paternity test now after 14 years, because if I am not the biological father I cant have custody, but I still hav…
/r/MensRights14/07/11 10:51 PM
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The term “cuckold” is a very old term for a man who unknowingly raises another guy’s biological children, thanks to an unfaithful wife. (See the wiki.) It’s not an accurate term to use in my [Schwyzer's] scenario, but the fact that this is such a profound fear for some men is worth exploring. How is it not accurate in Schwyzer's situation? Oh, because the mother was not an unfaithful wife, she was merely an unmarried skank. However, my reading of the situation was that Ted was still being deceiv…
/r/MensRights14/07/11 10:43 PM
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Good for you, and good for your girlfriend for being so understanding!
/r/MensRights14/07/11 10:35 PM
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It's not the $80 that is the obstacle, it's the delicate politics of requesting a test with the consent of the mother, who (with large probability) just gave birth to your child.
/r/MensRights14/07/11 10:23 PM
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I agree with this, but one thing that men need to realize is that women evaluate themselves, and their security, based on how sexually irresistible to their man they believe themselves to be. I can relate somewhat, being a gay man. However, she's being immature, and does not understand how men really work. I'm pretty sure my partner is interested in me not primarily because I'm hot (I'm OK, but let's face it, I'm 42) but because I'm not too crazy, and the same is true the other way around as wel…
/r/MensRights14/07/11 10:16 PM
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Don't be mad at me because your lived experience contradicts my half-assed conjecture. That's an interesting one, because feminists almost always discount the experience of men. La la la la I can't hear you!! I just hear the Patriarchy spouting misogyny....
/r/MensRights14/07/11 02:59 PM
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From all I've read, they really don't like feminist men. Women eventually tire of their mangina (a term I hate) and eventually stray, hypergamously, to more exciting pastures. But I don't know, I don't have any relationship experience with women, only gay men. As an aside, if you read the feminist literature, they refer to feminist men as "Nigels", which I personally prefer to the other term, because it sounds simultaneously less crass and more emasculating.
/r/MensRights14/07/11 02:46 PM
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The lesson here is that what makes women feels unsafe are opinions that differ from their own! Indeed. Abundantly clear in the feminist subreddits.
/r/MensRights14/07/11 08:19 AM
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She wants to come live with me but her mother wants a paternity test now after 14 years, because if I am not the biological father I cant have custody, but I still have to pay the support. That is truly evil, and directly contradicts Schwyzer's argument. If the psychological bond is more important than genetics, then (genetic) paternity shouldn't matter for custody.
/r/MensRights14/07/11 07:48 AM
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Maybe I should have been more careful in the choice of my words. I have no problem with Dawkins. It's his followers that are annoying. Sound familiar?
/r/MensRights10/07/11 03:54 PM
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I find the Dawkins brand of atheism to be kind of a religion in and of itself, and this little brouhaha proves it. There is a doctrine, a set of unquestioned axiomatic assumptions, and now a moral code. For the record: I'm a scientist in the biosciences and do not question evolution. However, there are fundamental problems related to the nature of consciousness that current science does not explain, and rather than making assertions like "there is certainly no deity", I'm comfortable with the st…
/r/MensRights08/07/11 11:49 AM
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Brilliant response.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 11:43 AM
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Reading the reactions to this article makes me embarrassed to be a liberal. It's this kind of behavior that makes me an ex-liberal. I don't even believe in the liberal/conservative divide that is conventional wisdom of the Anglosphere. It is an increasingly outdated 20th century concept. As the 21st century wears on, the more important distinction will be the difference between those who want more state and corporate control and those who want less.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 11:33 AM
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I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. I suspect you are, but whatever. If you are not: good, I'm glad we can end this conversation on civil terms. If you are, well, I'm tired of being uncivil, so I'll make my ending here as civil as possible, apologize for past insults, wish you well on your subreddit and hope it's a better place for you to explore and contribute to MRM, and I'll just move on. Cheers.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 06:31 AM
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SS, I really don't care that much about r/R4M. r/MR is meeting my needs, and if you need a separate space to do your thing, it doesn't impact me in the slightest. Yeah, I'm always a little disappointed when someone makes a conscious choice to be what I think of as a bigot, especially if I've tried to reach out human-to-human. But, you know, I don't need everyone to like me, and if you need to keep your subreddit clear of teh gayz, well then, so be it. It's your subreddit after all. IRL, I've got…
/r/MensRights08/07/11 06:14 AM
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She got married and is now seeking a divorce. She seems like a know it all hipster, she has travelled a lot, seems to have mostly white friends, I saw several pics of her "objectifying" males, one of one of her male friends fake punching her in the face, a pic that is NSFW, a lot of nerdy looking people that look like many of the friends I have had, her wiki page says her blog is about critical thought but the small glance I took at it seemed lacking in anything that could be considered critical…
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:56 AM
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I'm saying that her primary complaint seems to be that she was sexually propositioned, treated like a sex object instead of the towering atheist intellect that she is. Well, except when she turns on her womanly charms, and then she's Sassy Skeptic-Chick... as long as you're tall and attractive. If you want to talk to Sassy Skeptic-Chick ... be attractive. No, no man or woman deserves to be sexually assaulted for any reason, but that's not what happened to her. She was asked out for "coffee", may…
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:49 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. You are probably right, but since I don't have all the factual details, I'm not going to conclude one way or the other. The important point is, whatever his problem was (awkwardness or horniness), her "discomfort" was not his ultimate responsibility. If he'd kept after her, then yes, his actions start to look bad. But since he went away pretty much immediately, this was at most a mildly unpleasant interaction that lasted one minute, not worthy of shrill cries of "potential sexu…
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:42 AM
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I dunno, it's just an aesthetic thing. I don't like the idea of keeping track of things down to the last dollar. I guess I figure it all evens out in the end. But whatever works for you! If that's what keeps her honest, I guess that's what you have to do.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:33 AM
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OMG, what are you saying!?? Are you saying that just because she dressed up as Wonder Woman with her boobs pushed 8 inches out with a "come-hither" look, that she deserves to get sexually assaulted!? You rape-apologist, no woman deserves to be objectified like that, I mean, treated just like a piece of meat on a stick. You are such a misogynist. You must be one of those (shudder) MRAs!
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:30 AM
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I'm actually OK with her voicing that she was uncomfortable. Those are her feelings, whatever. I started to have a problem with it when her discomfort started to get conflated with sexual assault.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:24 AM
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Also: middle-aged gay-guys who are not my type and can't be a shopping girlfriend with me, stay away. You and your boyfriend are making me "uncomfortable".
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:23 AM
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Honestly, that's kind of a grim way to live. It is likely that I will always make more money than my bf, but when it comes time for us to share finances, I'll be happy to subsidize him. The difference is that he likes working, it's just that society (at least right now) values what I do more than what he does. I'd feel a lot differently about it if he showed any signs of being a freeloader. I have no sympathy for women who want a free ride without making some contribution (homemaking, raising ch…
/r/MensRights08/07/11 12:12 AM
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Well we can start with kloo's push to make the icon "more inclusive" and go from there... I can't speak for other gay guys, but I was happy with the icon the way it was, and said so. An example I used in another post: Single men not being able to adopt children is an issue which primarily affects gay men but is an issue which affects them because they are men and as such is worthy of inclusion. That gay men can now get conjugal visits from their male married partners in NY is an issue that affec…
/r/MensRights07/07/11 11:56 PM
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Gays and transgenders tend to do the same thing to the MRM. [citation needed] The desire R4M is to focus on issues which affect men rather than issues which affect anyone who is a man. Huh? Please explain. Another big factor is that political correctness is a major problem when seeking men's rights, so we don't want to give PCism a foot in the door. No disagreement here. Also, many major gay and transgender groups use victim politics, which again is against men's rights (since men are always the…
/r/MensRights07/07/11 09:58 PM
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Yes, SS_Camaro banned me from r/R4M because of my response to his comment in r/MR. Tried to engage in an intelligent conversation, met with frustration. Oh well. I kinda feel sorry for the guy now.
/r/MensRights07/07/11 09:50 PM
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What's funny about the quote is deconstructing it. Does it mean that women are more inclined to have sex with men they think are going to rape them? Or does it mean that they are so weak-willed that they will consent to sex given just the faintest perception that the guy might be coercive? Or is this just a cheap attempt to equate coercive behavior with the male sex drive without bothering to make a statement that resembles fact or reality at all?
/r/MensRights07/07/11 08:04 PM
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Yeah, sure. I wasn't there, so it's really hard to say. We've all misread social cues and done things that ended up being poorly received. And sometimes I've been a douchebag even when I knew I was being one. The point isn't whether he was just being friendly, a smooth operator, or creepy - the point is that it is not a crime, in the utterly legal sense of the word, to be creepy.
/r/MensRights07/07/11 07:55 PM
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I actually agree with the opinion that asking someone out to coffee at 4am in an elevator might be a little tone-deaf to accepted rules for social interaction. Where I disagree is the characterization of poor judgment (or, at worst, carelessly insensitive behavior) as borderline, if not actual, sexual assault. The problem is not that guys aren't sometimes douchebags, it's the feminist black-and-white thinking that douchebag = rapist.
/r/MensRights07/07/11 03:26 PM
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they are relying on the fear of rape to grease the wheels towards getting laid. Head asplode.
/r/MensRights07/07/11 03:19 PM
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The "not listening" charge is entirely appropriate here, because you haven't responded substantially to anything I've written. Can I ask you something: why are you even responding to what I write if you've already decided that I'm a Fifth-Columnist malaria-carrier out to piss on your movement? I pretty much thought the conversation ended when you banned me from your subreddit (which was obviously a "fuck you", since I hadn't even posted there). I was surprised to then get a PM from you that, as …
/r/MensRights07/07/11 02:10 PM
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The only place in my entire posting history I've ever used the word "Fascist" is in my name, which is meant to be an absurd juxtaposition of words that don't belong together. On the "Code Yellow" alert, the fact that you think I'm charging you with cowardice reveals quite a bit more about yourself than you think. I was actually charging you with ignorance: that your opinions of gay people come from a lack of experience and knowledge (not from fear). But if fear is what it is, well then... Look, …
/r/MensRights07/07/11 01:41 PM
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You ignore the rebuttals in the same thread. You also seem to not know very many gay people, or at least the kind I hang out with. As for my MRA "credentials", I challenge you to look through my comment history to find evidence that I am somehow a fifth-columnist. (Reasonable disagreement on minor issues or stylistic issues doesn't count, I'm talking about the mainline issues, which are divorce settlements, child support, and false accusations.) Also, here's what I think is your big problem: you…
/r/MensRights07/07/11 08:20 AM
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Coming soon to a courtroom near you.
/r/MensRights07/07/11 07:10 AM
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I found this article really helpful, being a scientist and not a lawyer. Interestingly, the same principles apply. We reject the null hypothesis (H0: "innocence", rejection of which implies H1 = "guilty") only when the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt (P<0.05), but otherwise "fail to reject H0" ("not guilty") rather than "accept H0" when the evidence is weaker (P>0.05). Failing to reject does not imply that H0 is true, only that there is insufficient evidence to assert H1.
/r/MensRights06/07/11 11:28 PM
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SS, I already know what you're about, so I doubt a real conversation is possible with you. Still, (as far as I know) I'm the most vocal gay commenter in r/MR, so I am taking on the obligation to respond. First, your term "MR malarial swamps" in reference to gay MRAs is telling, because it doesn't address any material problem with gay MRAs. I'm personally OK with MRAs who are suspicious of gay marriage, because I agree that we as a society can't even come to a fucking consensus on what marriage i…
/r/MensRights06/07/11 10:53 PM
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Haha, my boyfriend ("StalinistSushi") has an longtime acquaintance whom he really likes (let's call him Jack), but really could not handle even a hint that Stal might be gay. Jack also knows "Bridget", a very close friend of Stal's who happens to be a (partnered) lesbian. Jack, Bridget, and Stal all worked together at one time, and somehow Jack got the idea that Bridget and Stal were a couple. A couple of years ago Jack finally asked Bridget, "Are you and Stal ever going to get married?" Bridget…
/r/MensRights06/07/11 09:51 PM
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Yeah, I forgot that it might not really be a great read at work or over dinner. Fixed.
/r/MensRights06/07/11 09:37 PM
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I thought that's what prostitutes were for?
/r/MensRights06/07/11 09:13 PM
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Not 100% relevant to MR (but not totally irrelevant either): Here is an interesting (and chilling) retelling of Snow White. EDIT: I forgot that this story was NSFW, maybe even NSFL, but it's still very clever.
/r/MensRights06/07/11 03:03 PM
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I'm happy with the way I look and in excellent shape for a 42-year-old, so I would say that regular aerobic and anaerobic exercise, in combination with a protein-rich diet, is a sure strategy for success!
/r/MensRights05/07/11 09:32 PM
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The theoretical underpinnings of "rape culture" ideology are that rape culture is sustained by society's "support" of rape, and that by extension, all rape supporters are actually rapists themselves. For example, you often read language along the lines, "First she was raped by the perp, then she was raped all over again by the courts!" The conclusion is that all men are rapists, which is the essential position of both Marilyn French and of Andrea Dworkin. But you know that already.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:05 PM
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No, I saw the word "potential", but I understand very clearly that in feminist ideology, "potential" = "actual". For example...
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:55 PM
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Discouraged by social pressure or discouraged by the blunt instrument of the law? There are all kinds of negative behaviors with which I disagree or that I find infinitely annoying, but it doesn't mean that I believe they should be illegal.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:52 PM
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I personally lost my empathy for women in this kind of situation when I had to deal with my 30-ish female neighbor complaining about how I (a 42 year-old gay man) was "scaring" her when I was out, in my yard, letting my dogs relieve themselves, the implication clearly being that I was a rapist or peeping Tom or something. That is simply not rational.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:49 PM
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I personally try to avoid all (especially younger) women who are not family members or close friends. It's just a false-accusation waiting to happen.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:45 PM
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When the word "sexual assault" was used.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:43 PM
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Sexual assault is a criminal offense. Therefore, the concept should not be conflated with being a douchebag. Was it an insensitive/douchebag move to proposition a woman in an enclosed space? Possibly. Sexual assault? Not so much. This is why MRA has such a problem with the feminist "rape culture" meme: it creates a slippery slope where increasingly minor annoying/repugnant behaviors are conflated with behavior that is egregious and illegal.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:38 PM
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Actually, "blow me" is a pretty common dismissive insult from one man to another. At least, in my experience outside of gay male culture. I kinda personally don't care whether Barak is male or female (he/she/it is an idiot regardless), and I understand that an online text pattern-recognition tool is a very blunt instrument, but I avoid trying to call people liars unless I have pretty solid evidence. (I admit to being a little disappointed in the Gender Genie results, as I was kind of hoping you …
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:35 PM
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Moreover, the dude was treating someone who obviously wants to be taken seriously intellectually as if her opinions were great only because they offered an opportunity for a pickup attempt. I was unaware that it is illegal to not take someone seriously.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:22 PM
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I copy-pasta'd about 5 or 10 snippet's from Barak's posting history into the Gender Genie. While the evidence was pretty evenly split male/female, the evidence was more in favor of male. But then again, a couple of your posts were the same (evenly split but favoring male). I'm just saying: if you're going to analyze someone's language to infer true gender, it's better to use a (hopefully) unbiased source. I still agree with you, however, that Barak is an idiot.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:04 PM
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All of it was minor, boring neighbor stuff. I will say that on one occasion I was in the wrong, and as soon as she pointed out why I was wrong, I reversed myself, affirmed that she was in the right, and apologized. On the other hand, she never apologized for any of the things she did that I had a legitimate right to complain about. I have noticed that men are much better than women at being able to admit it when they are wrong.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:13 PM
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The only woman I felt I could talk to in my unit had a girlfriend, and I was the only one in the unit who knew. She was awesome, still a good friend of mine. In general, lesbians are awesome. (The ones who are lesbians because they like sex with women, not the ones who are lesbians only because they hate men.)
/r/MensRights05/07/11 06:06 PM
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Maybe sucking cock AND dozens of curls every other day (Monday cock, Tuesday curls etc) That is pretty much my current workout program.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:16 PM
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No, they are mid-sized dogs, not particularly threatening unless you're wearing nice clothes and don't want muddy paws on your Sunday best. The tone of "you scared me!" was definitely "stay away, rapey man" and not "keep your vicious mutts away". She became even chillier when my boyfriend started hanging around. What's funny is, just before I left, things had gotten to the point where she would acknowledge my dogs, but not me (saying hello to the dogs, but looking through me as if I were a ghost…
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:49 AM
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I believe that Civilization, as a system of coercion that (in the West) sprouted in the Fertile Crescent about 6000 years ago, is responsible for many of the systems of domination both men and women experience, and have experienced for the last 6000 years of our history. I also believe that Civilization is an inevitable result of human nature, the natural byproduct of a process eloquently described recently in a comment by bautin. Everything is coming to a head right now because we've reached a …
/r/MensRights05/07/11 07:23 AM
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Funny... even the homely women feel it's a horrible crime for a man who doesn't even want her to exist in a place she finds inconvenient. I just moved, but until recently I had a not-exceedingly-attractive female neighbor who was constantly "scared" (code-word for "stop being rapey with me you creepy rapist-man") when running into me in the evening as I was walking my dogs. I am a short gay guy with a short gay-guy boyfriend.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:33 AM
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millions of young American men are rapists. Yes, after FFTFY
/r/MensRights05/07/11 02:21 AM
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I would suck cock for a year to get arms like that. (no homo) So would I, but then, I am a homo and I would end up with just a sore jaw and arms still the same size as today. For you hetero guys, I suspect it would be a lot less painful - and more rewarding in terms of results - if you just did dozens of curls every day for a year. I'm just sayin...
/r/MensRights04/07/11 11:21 PM
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If you look at any "anarchist" forum online, you will see that the behavior of its moderators leans far in the direction of totalitarianism. "Anarchism" inevitably means that I should be able to do whatever I want, and you should be allowed to do only what I dictate.
/r/MensRights03/07/11 05:25 PM
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Here is the 2nd response to that comment: I think that women tend to gravitate towards “fem” gay men — guys who want to be one of the girls, so to speak. The other gays, who are more “stealth” because they are “straight acting”, are no more interesting to most women than the rest of us. I think there is an opportunity to build bridges with the latter group. The former group — fem gays — is probably always going to side with the feminists, because they are themselves openly feminine. Then there i…
/r/MensRights01/07/11 03:32 AM
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Actually, it makes a victim of physical and emotional abuse.
/r/MensRights01/07/11 03:04 AM
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FTFY: Will this society implode in a nuclear civil war before the end of the decade. Yes, with very high probability.
/r/MensRights30/06/11 03:31 AM
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They lack the ability to extrapolate the current trends and logically see how they will turn out on a macro scale. This is a very general problem that touches every major issue we as a civilization now face. The extrapolation of current trends in any area that has to do with fundamental survival (energy, water, climate, food, family, etc.) leads to a very grim conclusion. Praying for a deus-ex-machina is, at this point, about the only rational strategy left. This is one of the main reasons I am …
/r/MensRights29/06/11 10:26 PM
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You're right, it does sound crazy anti-semitic.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 10:10 PM
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Women are better than men at lifting heavy objects -- you pit a man against a woman with equal muscle mass, and the woman will lift more every single time.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 10:09 PM
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Because the men are mostly dead.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 10:00 PM
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Men's rights vs. feminism is ultimately all about class. Feminism appeals to women's desire to couple with an alpha male but exploit beta males. Elite classes benefit from having a weak family be the norm for lower classes. Feminism was funded and promoted by elite classes, and the legal system advanced by second and third wave feminism enable a totalitarian police state.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 09:58 PM
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If they did this maths they'd realise that a man must face a rejection rate of around 98.5% when approaching women. I don't think the average woman cares.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 09:45 PM
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On the one hand, the article reflects true misogyny (in Asia and probably more generally the developing world). On the other, it reflects an appalling hypocrisy within the (traditionally) liberal wing of the developed world: abortion is OK, unless it leads to demographically undesirable results (fewer women). Ironically, this will lead to society placing higher value on women, and will make it more difficult for the average Asian man.
/r/MensRights28/06/11 10:03 AM
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Well, that's a real problem with the "equality" concept, isn't it? Feminists reject the idea of unequal payment for "equal work", although the concept of "equal work" is always left poorly defined. They reject even the concept of an hourly definition ($/hour = constant) because they howl when you suggest that women in salaried positions who take maternity leave, or work shorter work-weeks, might be entitled to lower annual salaries. Attempting to define a job by physical labor expended ($/pound …
/r/MensRights27/06/11 03:39 PM
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Women in garbage collection is a terrible idea. It would double the price of the service. You'd have to pay them the same amount (otherwise it's "sexism") and they'd carry half the weight and skip out for all kinds of transient physical complaints.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 02:52 PM
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Not to mention that it's unclear how much real chicken is in an order of "Chicken" McNuggets...
/r/MensRights27/06/11 02:52 AM
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I like the logo the way it is. Clean, simple, to the point. -- one gay MRA
/r/MensRights27/06/11 02:40 AM
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Seriously... How many of these outraged parents and social service workers stopped at McDonald's on the way home for an order of chicken McNuggets? The extent of hypocrisy and denial in our civilization is breathtaking.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 02:34 AM
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If I had to wager, you're one of those horrible fathers who got denied visitation, and now has nothing better to do than bitch about it on the internet. Ad hominem attack, right on cue. I was willing to suspend disbelief (in your good faith, as expressed by white_cloud), but reading down the thread confirms it. White_cloud provides the statistics you request, and you answer "you can't use percentages in this situation". You ask for citations, which are provided. You make your own inflammatory as…
/r/MensRights25/06/11 06:54 AM
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From my own experience that the women I know treat gay men in a way that reminds me of how they treated their dolls when they were seven. Basically, projecting as many overt feminine characteristics as they can, (desired or not) and then believing that this entails some sort of exceptional emotional connection. This does happen, but mostly to gay men that let it happen to them. There are a couple of other modes of gay-man/straight-woman interaction. If you are a gay men who is less obviously gay…
/r/MensRights24/06/11 02:43 AM
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Cross-sectional study based on self-report: i.e. high probability of confounding by recall and selection bias.
/r/MensRights13/06/11 05:36 PM
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“I think the real question is does the lack of a biological connection mean that you’re not the parent,” Ellen Clayton, professor of pediatrics and professor of law at Vanderbilt University said. “And what does that mean? So, ask the mother: would you be OK if your child was switched with someone else's in the maternity ward?
/r/MensRights13/06/11 05:34 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that penises are "the most beautiful thing in the universe", but they're still fun to look at or play with (my own or someone else's). On the other hand, I do think many men are quite beautiful (the whole man, not just the dangly part). Women do not have a monopoly on beauty. I agree with Eyremil that straight men are complicit in their own loss of sexual power by devaluing their own potential physical beauty.
/r/MensRights04/06/11 09:42 PM
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I understand the need to have a right of free association (the libertarian in me chafes at attempts to dictate membership rules). However, on a tactical front, I agree with AnnArchist that this is not a win. My own opinion is that gay and straight men are both better off associating with each other, and if a hetero wants to join a homo team (understanding in advance the identity of the team) then I think it's great, and gay guys should welcome their straight bros who are confident enough not to …
/r/MensRights03/06/11 08:33 PM
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If only that were true, I'd have my pick of the litter. (Well, actually, I already picked a good one, but you get my meaning....)
/r/MensRights03/06/11 08:26 PM
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In essence i'm asking for our LGBT Brosifs to have our back even once we've helped them out. I'm ambivalent about marriage after having learned about what straight men have to deal with. (And had I gotten legally married to my ex-partner, as we had discussed when it became possible, I would have been royally screwed.) But I'm happy to help the straight bros out on fixing the problems. Anyway, gay boys need male role models, so helping straight men be good fathers helps everybody.
/r/MensRights03/06/11 03:08 AM
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This is true only in degree, not kind. Gay marriage merely incentivizes one to be more manipulative than the other in working the system. I know this from personal experience, although thank god we were not legally married, so his manipulation could only go so far.
/r/MensRights30/05/11 10:05 AM
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True, but some gay men are batshit insane and might as well be women (the high-maintenence / entitled kind, not the lovely kind). I cite, as evidence, my ex-partner.
/r/MensRights29/05/11 12:39 PM
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Sorry you have to put up with that. Being gay is a complete non-issue in the northeast, at least in my professional circles. Boring, actually.
/r/MensRights29/05/11 12:36 PM
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Reasonable people can disagree. My problem with "sluts" (a category to which I belonged at an earlier point in my life) is that the dynamics usually lead to poor outcomes. People should be legally entitled to make their own decisions about sex, but that doesn't mean that the decisions are always good ones.
/r/MensRights28/05/11 03:40 PM
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Ultimately, much of "morality" comes down to pragmatism. A lot of moral dictates I thought were needlessly restrictive when I was young, I now understand (as an older man) as having a very solid practical justification. I don't believe that large amounts of meaningless sex with random strangers is "bad" because of some angry sky god (or earth goddess, for that matter) - but I do think that it leads to increased bad outcomes personally and socially. I draw the line at legal restrictions, because …
/r/MensRights28/05/11 04:07 AM
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This is what we tell feminists (re: rape), and I believe it applies to us as well (re: false rape accusations). My comments are not about blaming, they're about wisdom, exercising good judgment and avoiding situations that have high risk for a bad outcome.
/r/MensRights27/05/11 11:36 AM
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I understand what you're saying, and my comments are not about the law (which I agree is fucked in this particular matter). The issue is watching out for yourself and your own safety, regardless of what the law may or may not do to protect you. This is what we tell feminists (re: rape), and I believe it applies to us as well (re: false rape accusations). I understand what you're saying about crazy sex often being good sex. And maybe because I'm no longer a young man, but it seems clear to me tha…
/r/MensRights27/05/11 11:33 AM
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I never said it was their fault in a legal sense. But in terms of life skills, this was not a particularly shining moment of good judgment. Sure, you may get propositioned all the time by women. On your own, that's not evidence of anything other than being desirable. But seriously, if one girl propositioned you and your four best friends at the same time, wouldn't you think there was something wrong with her? That is just not normal. And re: the jealousy comment, get over yourself, I'm a gay guy…
/r/MensRights27/05/11 04:42 AM
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Propositioning 5 guys at once is pretty tightly correlated with being a psycho bitch.
/r/MensRights27/05/11 04:20 AM
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I actually agree with Goat here - this is totally analogous to the slut/dressing issue and what we (MRAs) say about women taking responsibility for not getting raped. No, these guys did not deserve to be falsely accused, at all. However, if a young girl propositions you and your 4 friends, common sense would tell you she might not be quite right in the head, and it would be better judgment to stay the fuck away. This is an issue of taking responsibility for your own safety, social reputation in …
/r/MensRights27/05/11 04:18 AM
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The racial part of the analysis is true. I'm not in favor of AA or quotas because those programs are divisive and therefore ultimately harm non-Euroamericans, but racial discrimination is still a fact. The irony is that the sun is pretty much setting on Anglo-American power, and in 50-100 years (if not sooner) the US will be subordinate to China and South America. The problem I have with feminist social policy is that it makes gender entitlements a zero-sum game. A healthy community is composed …
/r/MensRights23/05/11 11:46 AM
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I have mixed feelings about Mormons. I think their religion is batshit insane, and they have some "colorful" ideas about outsiders that creep me out. Not to mention they are really anti-gay, and I am a gay man [see note below]. However, from the tribal point of view, they are exceedingly functional, and so their survival potential is quite high. I predict they will be one of the few groups that survive the economic/environmental/social/cultural catastrophe that will befall the US in anywhere fro…
/r/MensRights23/05/11 04:39 AM
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That's a reaction to a civilization that has stacked the deck against fathers. It is a self-defense move. Most of these men would be fathers if they felt that it was safe to do so.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 04:19 AM
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That is not natural. It goes against human evolution, which optimized the human animal for tribal affiliation. It's probably what is ultimately wrong with our society: without any sense of organic tribe, it is easy for some other person or group to come in, tear apart the community, and make everyone slaves.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 04:16 AM
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That's a travesty. If there's one thing a man needs, it's one or more other men he can trust with his life no matter what.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 04:04 AM
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nothing in life is fair A true statement, and maturity of any kind is impossible without accepting that basic fact of this universe. However, just because life isn't fair doesn't mean that we are obligated to put up with every injustice, without attempting to change our lot in life. That is what a real man does.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 03:54 AM
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In my world men are strong stoic cowboys. Are you sure about that? How can you be sure that it is not an illusion they perpetuate for the benefit of their women, but in private (away from women) their lives are more nuanced and conflicted?
/r/MensRights23/05/11 03:51 AM
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"Real men" are those who take responsibility for their situation, and for changing it if it needs changing. The first step in that process is assessment, which entails a little bit of what you call "whining". "Real men" are not slaves to other men (or women), and they don't take getting kicked in the teeth just because it is socially acceptable to do so. "Real men" protect their families and their communities against abuse from unjust systems.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 03:46 AM
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I will agree that prolonged whining becomes wallowing, and prolonged wallowing becomes - I don't know, but whatever it is, it's unattractive and ineffective. However, if whining becomes anger, and anger becomes action, then the world changes (and hopefully for the better).
/r/MensRights23/05/11 03:41 AM
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My husband(former girlfriend) I'm glad you clarified!!
/r/MensRights23/05/11 03:30 AM
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Yeah, but it's expensive (and risky) to adopt, even more so to do the surrogate thing. Also, I'm 42, and my bf is 51, so it's a bit late in the game to be dealing with diapers and grammar school. And, to tell you the truth, I really do think that children need both a father and a mother (i.e. role models of both genders), but I'm probably not going to win points with my LGBT brothers & sisters in saying so. If we had healthy communities and families that accepted gays, gay people would be able t…
/r/MensRights23/05/11 12:25 AM
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Yeah, I read through his comments and realized he was MRA. I initially thought it was a feminist trying to suggest that I really wanted that ass-fucking but couldn't admit it to myself, and that's why I wasn't really traumatized. Actually, I didn't want it, but the circumstances made me think I had to. I was a really dumb 16 year-old.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 12:12 AM
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I would call the cops (or club security) on any woman who did that to me now. I guarantee that you'd end up being the one cited or arrested.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 12:10 AM
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As a gay guy, I find masculinity extremely liberating. I grew up with two sisters and a feminist single-mother (who later married a guy who was decent but didn't really care much for me). It took me until I was 40 to fully accept my masculinity and to undo the shame I felt for being a man. I am grateful to every man, straight and gay, who has helped me in this process, not the least of which is my wonderful, handy, blue-collar, down-to-earth, foul-mouthed, sometimes-douchebag boyfriend. That sai…
/r/MensRights23/05/11 12:07 AM
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Oh, is that "victim blaming" I detect? I'm sorry, I forgot that it's OK to blame male victims. It's only female "victims" that are allowed absolution from all accountability.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 11:50 PM
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Yeah, as a gay guy I've been groped by guys I didn't want, and it was annoying, but hardly traumatizing. Also: as a teenager I was coerced into getting ass-fucked by somebody I didn't really want. It was an unpleasant experience, made me feel a little dirty, but it did not come close to psychologically undoing me. I'm not arguing that rape is something casually OK that should be condoned by society, but the hysteria that feminists want to create over date-rape utterly fails to move me.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 11:29 PM
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They make the distinction that we do not support the following: Gay, bisexual and transsexual rights are Men's rights. It's true that there is no explicit platform for gay or trans rights in the sidebar, but as a gay guy I've encountered very little antigay sentiment on this subreddit, and feel very welcome here. And if you want to experience some real anti-trans vitriol, read some of the radical feminist blogs.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 04:24 PM
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Part of the problem with the profession is that it encourages wallowing. Much earlier in my life I sought counseling. I wanted specific ideas about how to solve problems in my life. Instead I was given the standard, cliche "How does that make you feel?". Excuse me, ma'am, but I already know how I feel about the situation, and it is irrelevant to solving the problem.
/r/MensRights22/05/11 03:39 PM
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I grew up in a feminist household: single mother (until she remarried) and two sisters. I'm not going to get very far with MRA with them, although I have slowly started to point out various facts. I will also contradict any feminist BS talking point on its own terms, but I haven't connected my arguments together as part of a larger message. At least not yet. Also, I have a female colleague who is receptive to some of the messages, so I'll talk about some of the individual issues with her. Intere…
/r/MensRights21/05/11 02:18 PM
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Academic bioscience. Mixture of men and women, and some of the women (not all, by any means) are very angry and bitter.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 07:13 PM
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women were baby making animals that deserved no more than to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen I don't really believe that, but it's sometimes fun to say so just to piss off a feminist who is frothing at the mouth. SCUM may be some kind of similar trolling. Anyway, there are feminists who get away with only slightly less extreme positions, and they are being entirely serious.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 12:43 PM
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Am I missing something? The first couple of articles seemed more reasonable to me than many feminist blogs I've read. I don't agree with everything she writes, but it doesn't seem at all crazy (at least what I quickly skimmed over).
/r/MensRights20/05/11 12:30 PM
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So, um, do you want me to say that I think you're right?? You've obviously thought a lot more about this than I have, but I'm not sure how you want me to respond. My only real potential disagreement with you (and I'm not sure that we actually disagree) is sympathy with WineWhine's concern that putting kids in state foster care is a bad outcome, and you haven't really made an argument against that other than the fact that it's a strong disincentive to falsely claim abuse, a point with which I agr…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 05:45 AM
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Some are sexual assault. Some are not crimes proper (e.g. 5-second rape) although it is indeed a douchebag move not to stop when someone who previously consented suddenly revokes consent. And then some are hopelessly tangled up from a legal perspective: between a drunk man and a drunk woman, who can say or remember what the level of consent was? (And, no, in case you're tempted to put words in my mouth that I'm saying it's OK to fuck a woman who is passed out and doesn't know what's going on, th…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 05:37 AM
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I've already admitted that I don't know the solution. I think we're on the same page, except (possibly) about whether state foster care would be in any child's best interest if there are other options.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 05:09 AM
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The question that prompted this discussion is whether there are degrees of rape, not whether "rape sucks for everyone that experiences it." In other words, the degree to which it sucks (so to speak). Nobody I know of in r/MR (that does not get downvoted into oblivion) would suggest that mildly unpleasant unwanted sex with a pushy douchebag is a good thing, and most would suggest that under certain circumstances (i.e. after due process) it should be met with an appropriate punishment. The problem…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 05:05 AM
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I think the objection is placing the child in state-funded foster care, which I think we can all agree is an extremely bad outcome. I don't know what the solution is: I agree that a $720 fine is hardly a disincentive, but maybe a higher fine would be.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 04:56 AM
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Have to be honest here: as much as I would like to be public about it (as I am about most other things), it would be career suicide. Gay man? No problem, I bring up my male partner whenever it's relevant to the conversation, and everybody's fine with it (or if they're not, they keep it to themselves). MRA? Instant loss of reputation. I have never before juxtaposed those two observations in my mind. It really says a lot, doesn't it?
/r/MensRights20/05/11 03:48 AM
1

Yes, somebody already beat you to it: it's the Patriarchy's fault.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 03:32 AM
1

I agree that's a better solution. And also potentially revenue-generating for the government, rather than revenue-depleting.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 03:30 AM
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I think the point is to create a strong disincentive to make false abuse claims. But I agree with the sentiment that nothing fucks up childcare like the government.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 03:20 AM
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Are you fucking serious? Did you even reread what you wrote? An unpleasant, semi-coercive sexual experience with a douchebag colleague or fellow-student in an otherwise safe environment is somehow more traumatic than being violently attacked with a lethal weapon!?! If that's the case, that's all the evidence I need to convince me that women really are insane.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 03:11 AM
1

Sorry, I was thinking of the boy with the Daphne Halloween costume.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 03:01 AM
1

From your user name, I am guessing that you must be very popular with the sperm clinics.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 02:54 AM
1

Actually, as somebody who knows a bit about the science, it's easy enough these days to get a reasonably complete risk profile simply by doing a cheap but high-density SNP array. And, incidentally, it is very easy to infer familial relationship among a set of such arrays, so that as more people have their SNPs assayed and the results archived, the easier it will be to determine paternity algorithmically.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 02:48 AM
2

Actually, if I remember the story correctly, the biggest problem the mother reported was the judgment she received from other mothers.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 02:34 AM
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I realize the author is a whacked feminist, but I'm going to point out something that needs repeating. There is something entirely circular about her list. Basically, she's redefining the word rape to mean "sex a woman doesn't like, even perhaps after retrospective consideration". Fine, if that's her definition of rape, so be it. But she would also like to preserve all of the extremely negative connotations and legal sanctions associated with the old meaning of the word, i.e. forced sexual inter…
/r/MensRights20/05/11 01:41 AM
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Yes, I have been reading and commenting here regularly for the past few months. Misandry is a real problem for gay men (whether they know it or not).
/r/MensRights20/05/11 01:26 AM
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Well, don't blame us, some of us would like to help. The reason why life has improved for gay men is precisely because of the size of the movement over the last couple of decades. That's a positive development. However, I do think it's time for gay men to look at men's rights in general, and for all of us men to work for common causes: revamping the institution of marriage so that is fair to all parties (spouses & children); proper due process in matters regarding sex offenses; and reversing the…
/r/MensRights19/05/11 02:29 PM
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Not only possible, but common. My current partner, as well as my ex, is a very different phenotype, and since we are attracted to each other we have very different types, but occasionally we agree.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 01:58 AM
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Chiming in as another gay man. Ditto. I have newfound graditude for my sexual orientation.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 01:55 AM
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AvfM is a prominent blog that has contributed much to this subreddit. I am assuming the Reddit user avoiceformen is actually Paul Elam, the owner of AvfM, but I could be wrong. (In the past, the user avoiceformen responded to one of my comments in a way that indicated he had some editorial control over the AvfM site.) While he may have erred in making this particular post, Elam is a major contributor to the MRA community and I would hardly call him a spammer. Whatever the case, I agree with him …
/r/MensRights18/05/11 12:53 AM
1

It's the patriarchy's fault.
/r/MensRights18/05/11 12:38 AM
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This editorial is filled with all kinds of wrong. While I agree that it is a mistake to hitch gay rights to the goals of second and third wave feminism, the following are hugely ignorant statements: The sexual trade union has expertly ensured that the success of gay rights is almost dependent upon the ever increasing hatred and savegary towards ‘paedophiles’, something only possible through collective amnesia towards the fact that virtually every great homosexual in history was such a ‘paedophil…
/r/MensRights17/05/11 01:32 PM
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I can't choose between two major issues: (1) due process for men accused of rape (e.g., anonymity until at least charges are levied, if not conviction); (2) fixing the broken family court system (e.g. making joint custody the default, and strict/clear guidelines that enforce fair/just formulations for alimony and child support). I prefer clear, well-defined goals. Many other more subtle cultural issues will be resolved in the process of working for either of these two goals, though clearly a lot…
/r/MensRights17/05/11 03:48 AM
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Hey Samurai: I'm really sorry to hear about what you went through. "oh jeez, is seeing that happen to her really that funny? Maybe this is why you've never been with a girl..." is a classic feminist shaming tactic, and points to some serious emotional abuse. Obviously I don't know you or her, but she sounds like a very disturbed feminist and it's terrible that she has messed you up. Along with the shaming tactic, it is a good idea for you to learn all the common feminist rhetorical strategies, a…
/r/MensRights17/05/11 02:17 AM
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I'm pointing out the stupidity of racists who claim 6000 years of civilization for northern Europeans, when in fact that 6000-year figure applies only to the very same people that North American racists love to vilify, and definitely not to northern Europeans. And, by the way, civilization is a mixed blessing anyway.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 04:20 AM
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Here's a handy flow-chart to help you navigate the wacky world of feminist hate.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 03:56 AM
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I have seven words for feminists who think all women are lovely flower children who, if given power, would reign over a peaceful world: "We think the price is worth it."
/r/MensRights16/05/11 03:29 AM
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No, you're getting his point. It totally turned me off to his essay, which had some high points, but that one was pretty low. Here's something to keep in mind: that "six thousand years" applies only to Mesopotamians, middle-easterners, known more affectionately in some circles as "sand-niggers". For northern Europeans, that figure is more like 1000 years, 1500 at best. And let's not forget that far-east Asians have been civilized for about 5000 years.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 03:20 AM
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but he can fix almost anything. This has tangible, quantifiable value. Is she factoring that into her comparison spreadsheets? My bf/partner is the same way: lower earner, but infinitely handier than I. Since I am anticipating a financial/social collapse in the next 10 years, I predict his value will be much greater than mine in the years to come. Hope he still keeps me around :)
/r/MensRights16/05/11 03:04 AM
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OK, I see your point. However, in other cultures, while warm friendships between men are encouraged, sex is very harshly discouraged. Liking sex with other men (or one other man, to be specific), I find the latter to be a big drawback. On the other hand, the deep friendship I have with my partner, and with a few other of my male friends, is much more emotionally rewarding than is the sex, so if I had to do without one or the other I'd rather do without the sex. I agree that gay and straight men …
/r/MensRights15/05/11 06:09 PM
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I agree that there is a lot more complexity to male homosexuality and bisexuality than my comment does justice to, but the fact remains that modern Western civ is on the far end of tolerance towards male-male sex in general. Romans and Greeks were tolerant of specific forms of m2m sex, but not so much all forms (especially those in reasonably egalitarian partnerships).
/r/MensRights15/05/11 03:53 PM
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I thought your link was going to lead to an interesting counterpoint based on thoughtful analysis of the dynamics of the sexual marketplace. Instead, I got the same old tired quasi-editorial bemoaning the Republicans' attempts to place legal restrictions on abortion. From which, I suppose, we are to infer that OMG women don't have control over their own bodeez!, totally ignoring the fact that women harshly control access to their babymaking parts, and, when there is issue, usually lay claim to a…
/r/MensRights15/05/11 01:04 PM
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Upvote for Four Arguments. Reading it solidified my opinion that television is inherently sinister (though, in truth, I'd already lost interest in TV). I own a TV only to watch DVDs, but it's not hooked up to anything that would permit broadcast programming. People seem perplexed/horrified when I tell them I do not have a functional TV.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:52 PM
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Curves is a woman-only gym. However, try to start a male-only gym and the feminists will screech from here to eternity. That said, gay gyms tend to be male-only. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you like that sort of thing) they also tend to come with occasional sex in the locker room.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 01:04 AM
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That's why if you had sex with a 30 year old who was older than you, when you were 15, it's not cut and dry. Yeah, I was the one who really pushed for the sex (especially with the one I thought I was "dating", although looking back on it now I see it could never have been a true relationship among equals, he was really being more of a mentor to me). So it's a very gray area. I don't have any animosity towards these guys, as they are decent people... I just wish I had properly understood the dyna…
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:58 AM
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I think we have been talking about two different things: law vs. morality. Do I think it's ethically suspect for a 30 year-old to have sex with a 15 or 16 year-old? Yes. Do I think it requires the heavy hand of the law? Probably not, at least not at the level of a felony. I agree that the legal situation is entirely fucked up right now (as I said in a different reply to one of your comments): in many cases, punishment is way out of scale compared with the severity of the offense. I also agree th…
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:43 AM
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I agree that, currently, punishments are way out of scale compared with the severity of the crime. A 30-year-old who has sex with at 16-year-old should be charged with some kind of misdemeanor offense (and I despise the concept of a sex offender registry). 14-15, I'm not quite sure, maybe it should be weighed on the evidence for the adolescent's maturity. 13 and below? Lock 'em up!
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:16 AM
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Is there anything intrinsically wrong with a 30 year old guy having sex with a 15 year old girl? I'm sorry, but I kinda think there is something wrong with it. 18-year-old guy? No. 20-year-old guy? Probably not. But the gap in levels of maturity between a 30 year-old and a 15 year-old is just too large. It has the potential to be emotionally coercive. I say this with some experience. When I was a teenager, I (a gay guy) had sex with a couple of 30-something year-olds (on separate occasions). The…
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:06 AM
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True, but it is legally inconvenient to require a medical examination, hence the reliance on calendar age.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 12:00 AM
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At the root of it all is her hatred for big guys lifting big things. That's funny, she certainly doesn't complain about it when it's time for her male friends to help her move.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 11:39 PM
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Laws require precise definitions. Consequently, some age of consent is needed. One could argue whether it should be 16 or 18. Personally, I think there should be a sliding window. Under 13 strictly off limits. 13-17 OK if the older party is within 2 or 3 years of the younger party. Above 18, no limits. That would get rid of the supremely unjust situations in which, on his 18th birthday, a boy gets slammed with a charge of statutory rape for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 11:34 PM
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There don't need to be threats of violence for hate speech to incite it. We already have laws for dealing with violence. I understand that they are not uniformly enforced when gay people are victims, but that is a problem of enforcement, not speech. That said, the problem lies with the culture of homophobia, not the symptoms. I hate phrases like "culture of homophobia" and "rape culture". WTF do they mean? Compared historically with all other civilizations, modern western civilization is the mos…
/r/MensRights14/05/11 11:25 PM
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People should have the right to dress however they want. (I support full blown nudity rights). I agree that women and men should take responsibility for their own safety.... by carrying a weapon with them. But don't give up your personal freedoms just because someone else might hurt you for it... that's terrorism. So then we agree.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 11:09 PM
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As a gay man, I find state regulation of speech more threatening than homophobic speech (as long as the latter is not accompanied by plausible threats of violence). Tell you what: let me do whatever I want in bed behind closed doors, and you can say whatever the fuck you want. Deal?
/r/MensRights14/05/11 04:51 PM
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You are confused. Nobody is saying rape is a good thing or that women who get raped deserve it. However, many men are saying that women should take responsibility - within reason - for not getting raped. For example, monitoring alcohol intake when in the company of people about whom you are uncertain. As most of us are saying (and women like you seem to be consistently ignoring) the vast majority of men are not rapists, and simply saying "rape is bad" is not going to change the behaviors of the …
/r/MensRights14/05/11 04:34 PM
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What is the expected outcome? For the police officer in question to say "I'm sorry"? I believe he already has. Otherwise, it seems that the protests have no point except to shame men in general. Nobody I know of is saying that it's OK to rape women if they are dressed inappropriately (in spite of all the shrill declarations by drama queens). What some men are saying is that women should take responsibility for their personal safety in the same way that men take responsibility for their own safet…
/r/MensRights13/05/11 09:05 PM
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I think the point he's trying to make is that the implied audience of the Slutwalk protests is all men, when in fact actual rapists are a small minority. The vast majority of men are able to contain themselves when they see a scantily clad woman. For even the small minority of men who are rapists, I doubt the modesty (or lack thereof) of his victim would be a factor. However, accessibility in general (in terms of location and isolation) is a major factor for would-be rapists, and even though mos…
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:38 PM
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I agree that M.D.'s white knight argument is a tad weak, but his analysis of police shows in general is spot-on, as well as his final comment: what are we being told by Dexter? Certainly, it couldn't be that extra-judicially murdering men is acceptable. No, it couldn't be that. What I like about M.D.'s writing is that he provides detailed evidence for how feminism and misandry are part of a larger totalitarian program. In other words, feminist social policy is an agent of totalitarianism, not ne…
/r/MensRights13/05/11 02:30 AM
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Head a'splode....
/r/MensRights12/05/11 03:23 AM
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Nope. No actual pictures. A few tables and fMRI scans. However, the pictures are named in many of the tables: "Fire", "SicKitty" (sic), "DeadMan", "Assault", "Handicapped", "Soldier", "StarvingChild", "Boxer", "Infant", "InjuredChild", "Injury", "DyingMan", "Hospital", "BabayTumor" (sic), "BurnVictim", "Mutilation", "Accident", "Toddler", "Boy", "IceSkaet" (sic), "Casino", "Street", "Man", "EroticFemale", "Family", "Couple", "ThreeMen", "Children", "Boys", "Bride", "Women". This list is not exha…
/r/MensRights10/05/11 11:52 PM
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Feminists are anti anything involving males. They'll pay lip service to supporting eunuchs, but any gay man that displays more "manly" traits will be perceived as "scary". It's interesting how women in my (very white collar) professional circle respond to my bf/partner, who is very blue collar (and middle-aged, not cougar-food/boy-toy material). There is often a mixture of puzzlement with a hint of disdain. I know exactly what they are thinking, and it kind of makes me laugh inside.
/r/MensRights10/05/11 05:00 AM
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Even though your basic hypothesis could be correct, cross-sectional statistics in no way prove it. In fact, I would not be surprised if the unadjusted statistics show the opposite of your hypothesis. A stay-at-home mother is more likely to be the spouse of an upper-middle to upper-class man, while a stay-at-home-father is going to be a middle to lower-middle-class phenomenon (guy loses his job due to the "mancession"). Thus, even if the true causal effect is null, the apparent association will s…
/r/MensRights10/05/11 02:04 AM
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Confounding by SES (or other factors) is still an issue. Only way to prove causation is to run a proper longitudinal study. You are probably right, but good luck getting funded to show that.
/r/MensRights10/05/11 01:56 AM
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"stuff" = confounding (by socioeconomic status, for example).
/r/MensRights09/05/11 11:20 PM
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But I do recognize when pro-homosexuality becomes anti-heterosexuality. When? Not anywhere in r/MR.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 05:05 AM
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This faggot isn't fooled, and hasn't been fooled for a long time. I was going to write something close to this comment, but you beat me to it. Women and gay men are not natural allies.
/r/MensRights09/05/11 04:29 AM
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Guess what: the world is not an inherently safe place. It never has been, and never will be. Biological reality, at a fundamental level, is about predation. Think about that next time you eat a hamburger. You can cry all you want about it - god knows I have in the past - but it doesn't change a single thing about the natural world. Every single living organism has to monitor the environment to avoid being victimized. There will always be thieves, killers and rapists. So, if you want to avoid bei…
/r/MensRights07/05/11 01:52 PM
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Like gay kids that were just asking for a beating. They should really just stop being faggy and hide their true selves, or those who can't control their impulses will harm them. Actually, as a middle-aged gay man, I offer the same advice to gay men of all ages: be aware of your surroundings, and attentive to what the social norms are in any environment you happen to find yourself. It's fine for me to hold my bf's hand or kiss him in San Francisco or Boston, but not some small town in the south o…
/r/MensRights07/05/11 01:35 PM
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This particular blogger isn't exactly stupid. I've spent some time reading her blog (out of a kind of sick fascination). She actually displays intelligence and wit, which means she's actually a bit more dangerous: she knows what she's trying to do. She's the kind of person with whom, if she were less ideologically blinded, you probably could have an intelligent conversation. (Unlike the "Femonade" lady, who, in spite of having been granted a doctorate, as she proudly proclaims, is just a stone c…
/r/MensRights05/05/11 05:42 PM
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A lot of what radical feminists have to say is pretty scary. Read this blogger's solution to the problem of consent.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 02:19 PM
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I can't upvote this article enough. MRAs (and, really, non-radical feminists operating in good faith) need to understand this key point: The continually escalating narrative of “protecting” women by affording them ever greater protection and privilege above and beyond the legal rights of “bad” men is designed to produce a society in which nobody has legal rights except for the members of a few banking families. Not even women will have human rights in that world, because the men who would have p…
/r/MensRights05/05/11 11:06 AM
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OK, I will bite, just so that the opinions of (at least one) MRA are not misconstrued. I will say that killing or neglecting girls is unequivocally a bad thing and reflective of real, not imagined, misogyny. However, you will note that it is not happening in a truly Western country. The issues that MRA seeks to address are really mostly about the West, and its laws and cultural norms that place huge burdens on men. Indian misogyny has no bearing on Western MRA. If anything, this serves as an exa…
/r/MensRights04/05/11 09:37 PM
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Damn you, you are oppressing me with your Patriarchal "facts" and "evidence".
/r/MensRights04/05/11 09:26 PM
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Somehow I don't think anything a man could do could make a feminist like this happy. Bingo (in regards to AM). However, in this piece she makes some valid points. My response to the issue of waiting is why doesn't the woman propose? The whole ritual is stupid, and demeans both parties.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 03:20 PM
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Inclined to agree. Much feminist thought is just crazy, childish, and divorced from anything resembling the real world. One of my favorite examples - I go here just for entertainment sometimes.
/r/MensRights02/05/11 12:45 AM
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I understand, just offering my point of view, as someone who might be perceived as a target.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 04:36 PM
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This is somewhat tangential to the OP, but you might be interested in finding out how the US has duplicitously aided and abetted the Mexican drug cartels.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 03:41 PM
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Roughly speaking, except for X and Y, men and women should carry all genes in equal proportions. On the other hand, for imprinted genes (e.g. IGF2), the male and female alleles could be expressed in markedly different proportions. So, OK, I agree with you.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 02:12 PM
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OMG he sexually assaulted her foot!!!
/r/MensRights01/05/11 02:02 PM
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What do I think about it? In truth, I don't really know. First, it is keeping with the tone of the piece, which registers righteous anger. So it may just represent a form of venting. As to the content, even that I would need to reflect upon. On the one hand, I know very many competent women, in my profession, as well as among my family members. However, many (not all) complain about things men would not complain about (I'm speaking more of averages, not absolutes). In my own life, the female bos…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 01:50 PM
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Hardly a surprise. I was raised as a feminist man, and I bought into all the lies about "equality". Once you take the red pill and see all the b.s., it's pretty hard to believe that "we could work together for the betterment of society". Society is not made better by feminism. Feminism is a tool to facilitate totalitarianism, and it cannot exist without rigorous ideological policing, as well as total detachment from the reality of biological life.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 04:08 AM
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I have to be honest: I don't really care about this issue. Kloo, I respect what you've helped to create here at r/MR, but is there really any larger purposes served by fighting over a space that doesn't even naturally belong to us? I kind of feel like they can have their echo chamber if they want it, and it makes not the slightest difference to those of us who post here. In many ways, it sends a clear message to those with ears to hear it: if you want a free, open, society, come to r/MR. If you …
/r/MensRights01/05/11 04:03 AM
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Fair enough. But if you're going to pull articles in the spirit of the mission statement, I'd err on the side of clearly egregious language. The OP doesn't come close. Personally, I've encountered some pretty "hateful" language in the comments section of one of the blogs commonly posted to r/MR (can't remember if it was AVfM or the Spearhead or somewhere else). My feeling about it is that it is an opportunity to engage with the person and try to make a connection that will motivate them to reeva…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 03:32 AM
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I think she needs to dress more conservatively until she's lost some weight.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 03:28 AM
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This is not merely language that is 'a bit harsh'. This is one of the most incredibly insulting things I've read in a long time, and smacks of male supremacy. I do not believe that anyone who writes or agrees with this has any genuine desire for gender equality. Not to mention, I don't know what kind of people you all associate with, but my life is filled with female friends and family members who have worked their asses off to become successful surgeons, architects, CPAs, engineers, scientists,…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 02:19 AM
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Fair enough, but I personally want to avoid having a language police. I realize nobody's getting banned here or anything like that, but I don't think we need to get on people's case about linguistic mistakes when no harm is intended.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 02:00 AM
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I understand, but it wasn't meant that way in this context. I read it as reclaiming the term and repurposing it for a better use, kind of like "queer".
/r/MensRights01/05/11 12:41 AM
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Language is a bit harsh, but I agree (mostly) with the sentiment. It becomes painfully obvious if you even think about it for 10 minutes that all of our vaunted "social" progress (including human rights, not just feminism) is a direct result of technological progress: in short, harnessing fossil fuels to do the dirty/dangerous work that used to be done by animals, frequently male human animals referred to as "slaves". What will happen when our access to free (and safe) energy disappears? One poi…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 12:37 AM
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I wouldn't take the language too seriously. I am not reading "man up" as an attack at all. I agree with the message: focus on what matters. Who the fuck cares what some troll does? Trolls are just attention-whores at best, and intentional saboteurs at worst. In either case, the prudent strategy is to ignore.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:53 PM
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That's not what I'm asking for, just to be clear. Even if he had made an intentionally bigoted statement, the piece still has value. Articles should not be censored simply because they may hurt somebody's feelings. But I don't think that is what the author meant at all. I think he was talking about the perception of uselessness, as you say. The point of my comment was simply to say that it made me think about my own situation, and that is hardly a bad thing. Edit: The larger point - about biolog…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:28 PM
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This was a challenging piece for me to read. I agree with much of it (though I do enjoy Carlin's work), but where I get stuck is the assertion that homosexuals are "useless", because I am currently trying to understand how my homosexuality fits into the larger cultural framework. I've been an "out" self-accepting gay man for over 25 years, and I certainly do not buy into the idea that gay men are useless. It is true that we generally do not physically reproduce. However, I have come to believe t…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 06:59 PM
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Interesting. I might have been one to disbelieve him, but his story contains sufficient corroboration by other people that I am inclined now to believe that he is telling something close to the truth. The main relevance to r/MR is a reminder that mothers and women in general can be utterly evil. I think about my own mother, who has done some pretty bad things, although I have a good relationship with her now. (At one point a few years ago, during a holiday, she told me her entire story, which he…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 06:23 PM
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Or maybe some of us who used to be more moderate are starting to get pissed off...
/r/MensRights30/04/11 06:05 PM
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When I encounter a situation where I know little, I use Bayesian reasoning, with a prior based on empirical evidence, rather than wishful thinking. In contentious divorces, women frequently use PFAs to manipulate the system (see the article I linked to). Either you know nothing about the way the world really works ("naive") or you are willfully ignoring that knowledge ("dishonest") in the hopes of scoring rhetorical points by appealing to mythical human decency that (stochastically speaking) doe…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 01:31 PM
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Right, she cares so much about the relationship between father and children that she slapped the guy with a PFA, which is the first step in manipulating the system to alienate her ex-husband from his children, his property, and his future income. You are either naive or dishonest.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:13 AM
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Notice how Abigail Williams in The Crucible behaves just like the typical borderline that frequently stars in modern day false rape accusations? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 12:45 AM
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You are not allowed to kill yourself to avoid your paternal responsibilities. That is what it is really about. "Women's groups" want a captive slave class.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:40 AM
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"Why wasn't a constable sent with [Mr. McHale]?" asked Susan McHale, his widow. "In my opinion, if [Judge Dzvonick] would've done his job, I wouldn't have had to hold a funeral for my children's father." By "father" I think she means "wallet". This story is classic, down to the outraged "women's groups". Shorter feminism: "why won't the government protect me from my own bad decisions?"
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:38 AM
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What is a "terroristic threat" in the context of a domestic dispute? Really? Domestic abuse is now terrorism? We're going to lock the wife-beaters up in Gitmo?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:19 AM
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If you examine prunella's posting history, you'll see that she is being sarcastic.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 05:01 AM
3

Oh, who, erm, um, us? Well, it, um, doesn't really concern us, erm, um, I mean, you know, most rapes go unreported and, um, like, this might encourage women who were raped to step forward, and, um, you know, false accusations never really happen, I mean, no real feminist would ever make a false accusation. What is the problem with all the misogyny on Reddit these days, I bet you wish you could beat your wife like back in the old days of the Patriarchy. I mean, the Patriarchy now. You're just a w…
/r/MensRights28/04/11 04:02 AM
0

This piece has some flaws (e.g. the one you point out) but it has the virtue of summarizing the big picture for MRA: from stats, through the dynamics of feminism, to elite disinterest (at best) or intentional social engineering (more probably).
/r/MensRights28/04/11 03:38 AM
1

Legal question: what is the liability if you are not married to her and not genetically related to the child? Is it enough for her simply to say the child is yours? Does it have to be established, via some form of evidence, that you had a sexual relationship? I am wondering, because if a woman can name a father without his having an opportunity to prove otherwise (which seems to be the case) then almost any man could be a target.
/r/MensRights27/04/11 12:29 AM
3

In general - and yes, I'm generalizing in terms of averages, not making universal statements about individuals - women care more about consensus than truth.
/r/MensRights27/04/11 12:06 AM
1

That's just a little too cynical for me :) But I'll buy into it if you include in the list of things that contribute to utility ("getting something back") the mutual enjoyment (and attendant boost in the right neurotransmitters) of just hanging out together. But, yes, you are right, it is terribly complex. For study design purposes, I'll live with just a simple psychometric instrument consisting of scales that measure various versions of "I love you", recognizing that it is a huge over-simplific…
/r/MensRights26/04/11 11:52 PM
1

I posted the comment, but it has not yet been approved (if it ever is...)
/r/MensRights26/04/11 03:41 PM
1

Even if it's peer-reviewed and "valid", there could still be a problem with reverse-causality. The epidemiology literature is chock full of cross-sectional or case-control studies where the causal direction is impossible to untangle (without additional information on mechanism). That's fine, as long as the claims made in the Discussion section of the paper are based on an intellectually honest assessment of possible weaknesses in study design. The problem is that mainstream, nonscientific media …
/r/MensRights26/04/11 12:17 PM
8

Even if the research methodology is reasonably sound (e.g. no recall bias) there is still a problem with reverse-causality and interpretation. Do men say "I love you" in order to get sex (as is implied by the headline) or does sexual intimacy create a tighter emotional bond, enabling men to feel "love"? It is impossible to get at this question without a complicated study, probably more complicated than this one (which I am taking, without having read the paper, to be cross-sectional). You would …
/r/MensRights26/04/11 11:47 AM
16

Never underestimate the power of narcissism combined with utter stupidity.
/r/MensRights25/04/11 05:13 AM
2

It must be really real, then.
/r/MensRights25/04/11 05:11 AM
4

Plenty of women in biology and medicine.
/r/MensRights23/04/11 11:41 PM
9

Funny thing is, a college degree is not really a good investment anymore. It would be hilarious if women chased men entirely off-campus, and a majority of men became skilled in trades (you know, making and fixing useful stuff) and became infinitely more valuable than the paper-pushing jobs occupied by women. (For the record, I am a professor, and am very conflicted about what I do for a living... at least I'm in a marginally useful bioscience field.)
/r/MensRights23/04/11 09:28 PM
2

I'd want to see the study, but if you are reporting it and interpreting it accurately, then this is the real problem: While I don't have published citations, informal studies suggest that to men morality = compassionate justice and to women morality is basically identifying with someone similar to them regardless of the facts. When the case was changed to make the ill person a man and the inventor a woman, then women sympathized more with her property rights than with his life. One can legitimat…
/r/MensRights23/04/11 08:47 PM
8

Honest question here: are fathers now obligated to provide support (in the form of college tuition) beyond 18 years of age? If so, that is frightening for a number of reasons! The biggest one is that I am starting to believe that college education is a bad investment. If I had a son, I would encourage him to seek out a trade, a tangible skill, rather than a meaningless college degree. I say that as a person who has a PhD and is in the business of minting out higher degrees.
/r/MensRights23/04/11 04:58 PM
2

Interesting. From the title I braced myself for something offensive, but it turned out to be stuff I mostly agree with. This part, a genderqueer person says that they are male one day and female the next (I’m not making up this example). is something that really pisses me off (a good friend dated someone who was like this, and was really controlling about it). A lot of the "queer" community is about self-indulgence of the highest order. My personal feeling is that you just be the way you want to…
/r/MensRights23/04/11 02:03 PM
7

I just wrote my own reply. Vertatim: I'm starting not to care about abortion rights. I used to, and I used to be wholeheartedly in favor of many positions that define feminism. However, the truth is that I find abortion morally repugnant on a personal level, and the lack of concern that most feminists (and women in general) demonstrably show towards specific legal issues that are important to men as a group make me, as a gay man, now totally indifferent to "pro-choice" issues. We'll see how long…
/r/MensRights23/04/11 02:24 AM
1

It's all connected.
/r/MensRights21/04/11 02:24 AM
3

I read some of her other comments, as well as the essay itself. What a sad, distorted woman. Likely traumatized from having been raped by a family member, and yet unable to heal because of her bitter hatred of all men. She will never be loved by a man, because she won't let one get close to her. It is really tragic.
/r/MensRights21/04/11 01:51 AM
1

I did my best to give the MR perspective. More than likely my response will be discarded as an outlier.
/r/MensRights19/04/11 04:42 AM
2

It is weird. I live in PhD-land (having one myself) and nobody I know insists on being called "Dr." anything except in extremely formal settings (usually formal written communications). However, for fun sometimes, I will sometimes make my partner call me "Dr" :)
/r/MensRights19/04/11 03:20 AM
16

Really? Is that what marriage has come to? We not only have to compete with each other at work, but with our spouses also? Fuck hypergamy.
/r/MensRights18/04/11 01:59 AM
2

Did you read the article? The author is an atheist. Acknowledging that Jesus is a fictional character doesn't prevent one from speculating what kind of person he would have been, had he really existed. This is a useful exercise for all kinds of fictional characters, since we are often inspired and take our cues from fiction.
/r/MensRights17/04/11 04:56 PM
2

I would think that at least one thing should be clear after surfing r/MR: Don't stick your dick in crazy!
/r/MensRights17/04/11 04:53 PM
3

Which kind of begs the question, what is the real point of campaigns such as this?
/r/MensRights17/04/11 04:50 PM
1

Trollking, I have grown to love you, please don't lose your shit!!
/r/MensRights16/04/11 11:11 PM
1

I see it as more of an iterative process. Elites (alpha men and women, if you will) seek greater control, and therefore encourage processes that both infantilize women and subjugate men. Then, already infantilized women seek greater protections, and help to infantilize society further. Rinse, repeat. It's a self-sustaining process, once it gets started, and yes I do think that wealthy elite families have been smart and far-thinking enough to have thought it through (at least somewhat). Once you …
/r/MensRights16/04/11 10:28 PM
0

My first inclination, purely out of emotion, is to agree wholeheartedly with you, but then I remember that there are a few women for whom I have great respect, and who do not act this way. So, from a more rational position, I have to disagree. What is more accurate is that this society is infantilizing women so that they behave, in ever increasing numbers, like children. I don't believe it was always so, because I still know and meet women who are worthy of respect as adults, even accomplished a…
/r/MensRights16/04/11 09:03 PM
5

I have a serious boyfriend/partner (FYI I'm a man). He's not quite as consciously political about MR as I am, but he understands the issues and thinks a lot of women are (to paraphrase the Jack Nickolson's character in As Good as it Gets) lacking in rationality and accountability. Neither of us thinks this of all women, since we have some very close female friends, but we're both kind of disgusted with the way many women feel entitled to rights and privileges over men without any responsibilitie…
/r/MensRights16/04/11 08:54 PM
3

I've spent some time over the years, as sort of a minor hobby, reading a lot of this "reptilian" (and related) material. It's interesting and entertaining if you don't get sucked into believing it in a literal sense. Two important points: (1) the alien/reptile narratives, as well as other fantasy/conspiracy narratives, are often injected into discourses about political issues that are outside accepted domains of inquiry. For example, in discussions about 9/11 (regardless of what you may actually…
/r/MensRights16/04/11 01:39 PM
2

Excellent essay. A must-read.
/r/MensRights14/04/11 03:24 PM
4

She was clearly raped. How else do you explain her subsequent history of unstable behavior? No woman would ever commit such a heinous crime unless she had been previously abused by a man. Therefore, her accusations are actually demonstrably true.
/r/MensRights14/04/11 03:13 PM
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That can't be right. The study must not take into account the inherent value of that extra special specialness in vaginal form, which surely is worth at least a 25% premium. Thus, there is a wage gap of at least 13%. Equal pay for equal work!!!
/r/MensRights12/04/11 04:02 PM
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Actually, as someone who has suffered from low-grade depression, I totally agree with #6: depression is really disguised anger. If you allow yourself to be angry, then you liberate yourself (although you will "scare" people, especially entitled women).
/r/MensRights12/04/11 03:54 PM
1

There is a risk of dehumanizing the "enemy". I do it myself, and I admit to hating all women just a little bit for a while after reading the injustices catalogued in r/MR. However, in real life I have a mother, sisters, and female friends who are all good people, even if some of them are flawed. (No wife: my partner is another man.) It's useful to remind myself that the true enemy is a very evil system that is fueled only in part by feminism. And even feminism is backed up by the mindless power …
/r/MensRights12/04/11 03:33 AM
2

I hope not, but a lot of the comments here in r/MR suggest otherwise. Anyway, it needs to be talked about more, because the men vs. women focus of a lot of the discussion is a distraction (as fun as it is).
/r/MensRights12/04/11 02:00 AM
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Unless the definition of rape is retracted back to its original meaning, i.e. forcible rape, we will be heading into a Kafka-esque nightmare where all sexually active heterosexual men are constantly at risk of arrest and conviction for "rape". It will be impossible to prove consent, because the electronic recording of a sexual act is (and will continue to be) illegal, perhaps eventually constituting a form of "rape" in its own right, according to feminist logic, and any signed contract can appar…
/r/MensRights12/04/11 01:58 AM
4

I feel bad for the goat.
/r/MensRights11/04/11 12:50 PM
4

I've noticed the same thing in gay male culture. The bitterest middle-aged queens are the ones who used to be gorgeous. The average-looking guys acquire character, which carries them through middle age.
/r/MensRights10/04/11 04:01 PM
7

"He raped me with his eyes!"
/r/MensRights10/04/11 03:55 PM
11

Funny how it's OK to discriminate against men for office jobs. The (female) chair of a department at my institution once balked at a male temp, filling in for her female administrator on maternity leave, because she didn't think a man could do the job. This same chair is a woman who talks extensively about promoting women in science, yet she green-lighted the promotion of a man who was well known (with plenty of documentation) to have sexually harassed two graduate students.
/r/MensRights09/04/11 02:43 PM
3

I wish this post had more substance on the topic (the linked article has little more than what already appears in the title of the Reddit post). This is a very central point, and one that I feel is missed entirely by many people posting here at r/MR. The problem isn't "battle of the sexes", i.e. man=good/woman=bad, but rather a very complicated situation in which our evolution towards a police state is being manifested, in part, by regressive legislation that pits middle and working class men ag…
/r/MensRights09/04/11 12:40 PM
3

That's the problem with modern feminism: having a low opinion of a woman = blaming a woman = sexual assault. All opinions and attitudes must be strictly regulated, by legislation if necessary.
/r/MensRights09/04/11 05:51 AM
2

Excellent advice in the comments: Don’t enable them [divorced women with children]. If enough guys say “No” to divorcees with kids it will eventually become painful for women to toss away the fathers of their children. The answer to many social problems is to alter the market forces so that the price of bad behavior becomes a disincentive to engage in it.
/r/MensRights08/04/11 04:07 AM
1

Indeed, very disturbing. This is the kind of story that makes me glad that I am a gay man and I am not subject to this kind of very intense evil. (Of course, the down side is I don't get to be a father...)
/r/MensRights08/04/11 02:50 AM
3

What's wrong with men's bodies? Nothing, says this gay man... I have no idea if this article is representative of straight male experience, but I can't imagine sex being good without both partners being hot for each other.
/r/MensRights13/03/11 12:15 PM
1

It has nothing to do with feminism or MRA, but I invite you to read this article. It may change the way you think about the concept of "civilization". I found it extremely thought-provoking, especially since the concept of "barbarian" is often associated with masculinity.
/r/MensRights13/03/11 11:59 AM
2

I consider myself much more left-wing than right-wing (though my political philosophy is sufficiently complicated that it defies traditional classification), but I think Harlan has a point. Self-consciously feminist outrage is a distinctly left-wing phenomenon. The problem is really reflexive, ideological posturing (which is actually just a cover for naked, narcissistic power grabs). This is something that occurs on both sides of the traditional American political spectrum. If we are ever to wak…
/r/MensRights28/02/11 01:58 PM
7

This story is an example of a dynamic I've repeatedly tried to point out: the use of feminism by elite (read: economically alpha) males to fleece and/or control lower classes. Feminism isn't exactly a source of oppression, it is really more of an agent. Look behind the curtain.
/r/MensRights28/02/11 01:48 PM
3

Boyfriend is lucky. Big fat red flag glaring at him right in the face. Hopefully he'll heed the warning....
/r/MensRights21/02/11 05:00 PM
1

Essentially, yes. It was a bit more complex than that, but that's what it boils down to.
/r/MensRights21/02/11 04:43 PM
2

I would avoid that shit. I have a friend who was forced to take depo-provera (long, sad story: priest caught looking at online pornography -- adults, not cp -- but his superior freaked out). It really has permanently fucked with his biochemistry.
/r/MensRights21/02/11 04:15 PM
2

I don't think the all-female/feminist household had anything to do with my sexual orientation, but it had a lot to do with my attitudes. See my previous comment. (And sorry for the multiple posts of previous comment, my computer was being weird until I rebooted.)
/r/MensRights20/02/11 04:15 PM
1

Re: sexual orientation. I can't really say, but most of the current research seems to suggest that it is formed at a very early age, possibly in-utero, so that it is unlikely that feminine influences had anything to do with it. As for identity/personality, I do think the mostly feminine influences in my life had a profound effect. I have an innate aggressive streak, but it always had to be sublimated because male aggression was not OK. Consequently, I tended to picture myself internally as kind …
/r/MensRights20/02/11 04:10 PM
1

Re: sexual orientation. I can't really say, but most of the current research seems to suggest that it is formed at a very early age, possibly in-utero, so that it is unlikely that feminine influences had anything to do with it. As for identity/personality, I do think the mostly feminine influences in my life had a profound effect. I have an innate aggressive streak, but it always had to be sublimated because male aggression was not OK. Consequently, I tended to picture myself internally as kind …
/r/MensRights20/02/11 07:31 AM
1

Eh, if I were straight, I would want to be a father, because fatherhood is important, and it is important to bring "good" people into this world to help build a better world. But since I'm gay (and, though comfortable, not rich) the option to have children is effectively closed to me. So, I look for other ways to contribute to a good, just, and honorable society.
/r/MensRights19/02/11 03:30 AM
1

Another anecdote, where feminism trumps the traditional liberal concerns about American imperialism.
/r/MensRights19/02/11 02:20 AM
2

Meh, objectification is objectification. I've heard plenty of straight guys saying the same thing about women's asses and boobs. It's a natural, if immature, sexual response. When I was a teenager and young adult, I salivated over male body parts just the same way any straight boy would over females, but in my middle age it takes a lot more than that to get me interested. I have eyes only for my boyfriend/partner, and he's a short, wiry 51-year "old goat" :)
/r/MensRights19/02/11 02:03 AM
1

Well, my mother and sisters were all feminists. I think they meant well, but they were misguided. My mother has mellowed over the years. However, like your ex, neither of my sisters has any clue what an adult man is like. I also had to spend half my adult life learning what it means to be a man. One sister has terrible luck with men, driven by unrealistic expectations. The other is a lesbian, and seems not to like men at all. I have a decent relationship with the former, although I have to avoid…
/r/MensRights19/02/11 01:58 AM
1

I wouldn't know of any books per se, I kind of synthesized it myself. I've read a lot about the history of social engineering on various forums (e.g. read some of John Taylor Gatto's work, as well as picking up a lot of interesting anecdotes, e.g. that Gloria Steinem was employed by the CIA). I have observed much social behavior in Ivy League academic circles as well as higher finance. The concept of hypergamy, which I had never really considered before hanging out in MR forums, kind of brought …
/r/MensRights19/02/11 01:52 AM
2

On a related point, I think the MR movement needs to be understood in a wider context. This really isn't about "men vs. women", it's about social engineering processes (whether or not by design) that have destabilized the mid and lower strata of society. The "alpha" levels of society have encouraged, or at least allowed, this destabilization by courting the hypergamy of "beta" and lower women, enlisting their support in undermining the men (and therefore families and themselves) of their own cla…
/r/MensRights19/02/11 01:29 AM
2

I tend to agree with "andybob" (the gay reader whose comment was the subject of the post). As I advance into middle age (I am 42) I have fewer and fewer female friends, and frankly most women (especially young ones) give me the willies. I have one good female friend, but she's fairly atypical: she and her husband have been married forever, she clearly married for love, not money, and she and her husband have a very respectful relationship with each other (and my boyfriend loves her husband, as t…
/r/MensRights19/02/11 01:13 AM
5

For the record, I have never, in (medical) grant review panels, seen women being discriminated against. In fact, typically, a little less than half the members of the panel are women. The one place where women might have a slight disadvantage is if their career has been slowed down by numerous leaves and gaps, the male review panel members may forget that this could be a consequence of taking time off to have children. In my experience, once the explanation is voiced, the criticism goes away (as…
/r/MensRights10/02/11 01:29 AM
10

Don't overthink the logo. Logos should be simple, spare, and to-the-point. Graphical simplicity is beautiful, even if it does not explicitly address every last possible demographic, and sacrificing it to the misguided symbolism of multiculturalism (as opposed to real inclusive content) would be committing one of the sins of totalitarian feminism. I found MRA before I knew it would be a (reasonably) gay friendly place. Gay men who are confident as men don't need to be babied.
/r/MensRights07/02/11 03:15 AM
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I want to believe that stories like this are just reddit attention trolls. Because otherwise, if they are true, then it means American society is deeply disturbed, perverted, and headed for oblivion.
/r/MensRights06/02/11 06:56 PM
2

That doesn't happen with girls. Girls are naturally good and moral. Everything nice, sugar and spice and all that.
/r/MensRights06/02/11 06:43 PM
5

…what factors determine when a gender disparity is something about which we should care? Is it a bad thing that there are so few women cab drivers? Or sanitation workers? Or floor traders on Wall Street? Or peanut vendors at baseball stadiums? Or corporate CEOs? Or congressional canidates? Or beer pong players? Or talk radio hosts? Or authors of economics textbooks? Or plumbers? Or online poker players? This point has been made before in the MR subreddit, but I'll make it again: it is interestin…
/r/MensRights06/02/11 03:32 PM
3

How is "beauty" operationally defined and measured? Are the measurements biased by the gender of the person being assessed, the gender of the person doing the assessment, or an interaction of the two? Unless these questions have solid answers that fail to undermine the methodology used in this study, I will conclude that this study is poorly conceived and just plain silly.
/r/MensRights04/02/11 03:51 AM
1

Might have if I had that cash when I was younger. Now I'm 42 and my partner is 51. A bit too old to be raising little kids. That's a young man's game :)
/r/MensRights04/02/11 02:59 AM
2

You know, I just have to get this off my chest. I used to be a little disappointed that I turned out to be gay. Not serious homophobia (came out when I was 16) but just kind of regretful that straight relationships seemed easier, that you don't have to fight the social stigma, and (most importantly) you can have children. (I might have liked to have a kid or two.) But seriously, after reading r/MR for 6 months... I'm very thankful that I don't have to deal with trying to have intimacy with women…
/r/MensRights04/02/11 01:40 AM
1

So imagine a graph. The X-axis represents F - M, where M = man's salary and W = women's salary. The Y-axis is labeled "Probability of Infidelity", and there are two curves, one for M and one for F. The implication of this article is that the M curve is convex (maybe parabolic) with a minimum near zero, while the F curve is monotonically increasing (though maybe flat on the negative end). This suggests that there is less overall probability of infidelity in the negative region. In other words, me…
/r/MensRights27/01/11 05:52 AM
1

I think it is much more complicated than that. Some of the articles that have been posted to r/MR on hypergamy and the apex fallacy help to explain what is really going on: social engineering on the part of elites to undermine the social foundations of lower classes by targeting beta males through collusion of beta females. Feminism isn't an end, it's a means to an end: a totalitarian society tightly controlled by alpha males and managed (in part) by beta females.
/r/MensRights24/01/11 04:17 AM
3

I beg to differ. I am a member of a medical school academic department that is almost entirely white and mostly male (especially at the full professor level). I agree that there are hardly any Christians, but given the idiotic stance most American Christian denominations have towards science, you can hardly blame a medical school for attracting mostly atheists and Jews. In other words, being a woman or a member of a racial or sexual minority does not seem to be any help in getting an appointment…
/r/MensRights23/01/11 09:09 PM
15

No. People have a right to live with whom they want. Anyway, you can screen people without explicitly saying so. I have a property that I would prefer not to rent to a woman, because women tend to be so much higher maintenance than men. But I would never state that in an ad.
/r/MensRights23/01/11 07:55 PM
2

Or bitter.
/r/MensRights23/01/11 05:33 PM
0

Perhaps...
/r/MensRights23/01/11 05:12 PM
7

You mean like the following? "I like my women the same way I like my coffee: ground up and in the freezer."
/r/MensRights23/01/11 01:41 PM
4

Consent to suck != consent to fuck. Even if I were generally turned on and was enjoying the sucking, I would not necessarily want to go "all the way" and get fucked.
/r/MensRights12/01/11 09:39 PM
1

Well part of the reason I have worked so hard to control my own sexuality, is that male sexuality is by its very nature cruel, sadistic, and predatory. This is a page out of Andrew Dworkin. Are you sure you're not a feminist? I guess I have two extreme views of women, on the one hand they're temptresses on the other they are innocent victims. To be honest, you might be better of seeking some form of counseling instead of joining a monastery. These two statements indicate to me that your relation…
/r/MensRights12/01/11 05:31 AM
2

I really don't know how to respond to this. I hope for your sake that you are a troll wasting all of our time. But if not: do you realize how you sound to other people? Morality and "purity" are not spiritual possessions to be had, they are ways of living that facilitate loving relationships with other beings - human, spiritual (if you lean that way), and nonhuman animal and vegetable (if you lean that way, as I do). Women are not put on this earth to test you and only you, they are on this eart…
/r/MensRights12/01/11 04:21 AM
1

His sexuality, from which he was trying to hide, woke up, and prompted him to start looking for pornography online. It was pretty tame stuff (mostly 20-somethings wearing silly underwear, i.e. not cp), but nevertheless his hierarchy freaked out. So then there was about 5 years of painful soul-searching as well as conflict with his abbot, which culminated in a mutual decision that he should leave (although the "mutuality" is debatable, he sometimes says they kicked him out). He's better off outsi…
/r/MensRights12/01/11 03:06 AM
1

I have an ex-monk friend. He chose the monastery to get away from his sexuality. It did not work out well for him, he ended up wasting several decades of his life. He is no longer a monk, yet still pretty much alone. If you have a truly spiritual calling, the monastic life may be for you. But if you're simply trying to escape from yourself, or the world, or both, I doubt very much that it will end well.
/r/MensRights12/01/11 02:40 AM
2

When I hear universal statements like "a whole generation of females is deranged", I worry that the person issuing the statement is projecting their own internal conflicts onto an external scapegoat. Sure, there is a dynamic process with a central tendency in a pathological direction, but there are always individuals who deviate substantially, in a positive way, from that central tendency. Do you want companionship? Or do you just want to get laid? Or do you just want to spitefully reject any of…
/r/MensRights12/01/11 02:30 AM
1

This piece is chock full of delicious schadenfreude, but there is a much darker dimension to the dynamic the author describes. Since I started reading r/MensRights, I've tried to promote the idea that the problem is much more complex than simply "men vs. women" or "evul feminazis". Specifically, there is a very fundamental strain of class conflict embedded in constellation of issues that MRA attempts to address. (My favorite shocking example of this is the Brown University rape case, where unive…
/r/MensRights11/01/11 02:25 PM
1

I am one such MRA. I am also amused by the logic that MRAs can't get laid.
/r/MensRights11/01/11 05:59 AM
3

I'm not sure if Gynocentrism I was already posted, but it is also a good read. What I like about this work is that it highlights the complexity involved in MRA. It is not simply about men vs. women, there is a much older dynamic involved. The dynamic is crystallized in this quote: Gynocentrism Theory exposes the divergence between demographics and interests; fundamentally, that while a small number of men may be the ones holding social and political power, this by no means implies that they do s…
/r/MensRights10/01/11 02:06 AM
1

Is her name Clare Quilty?
/r/MensRights06/01/11 02:23 AM
2

FYI, I'm not posting this article because I agree with it, but because it's an example of how some people are trying to frame this issue.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 05:22 AM
4

I don't have any hard data, but it seems like a woman is more likely to stay with an unfaithful man than a man is to stay with an unfaithful woman. In both cases there is a health issue (statistically), more so for the woman than for the man, but if the predominant issue is confidence that offspring are genetically yours, then an unfaithful woman would be a much bigger problem than an unfaithful man.
/r/MensRights15/12/10 10:58 AM
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Probably for a variety of reasons. If past behavior provides the most solid basis for predicting future behavior, then promiscuity suggests future infidelity (and therefore uncertainty about paternity). Also, potential poorer health through STIs (again affecting health of offspring). I'm not being judgmental here (please... I'm a gay guy with a less than stellar past). I'm just arguing that the so-called "rape culture" can actually be understood as a dynamical system whose structural properties …
/r/MensRights15/12/10 10:21 AM
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At a core level, men want limitless sexual opportunities with partners whose physical appearance and social reputation suggest good health, while women want limitless horizons to improve their physical security (and therefore social standing). Obviously this is a vast oversimplification, but it is true enough to explain the dynamics we see in real life. Men will seek many and varied sexual experiences, and incur no social cost to doing so because male promiscuity is a second-order consideration …
/r/MensRights15/12/10 08:32 AM
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From The Jezebel article: But what's all too common is his assumption that a woman "cheapens" herself by having group sex in a way that the men involved apparently don't. In fact, as Hess points out, women are often thought to cheapen themselves by wanting any kind of sex at all — but especially if that sex is casual, or perceived as deviant in any way. This is the flip side to hypergamy. To the extent that women try to elevate their position by marrying a man with higher social standing, a woma…
/r/MensRights15/12/10 08:23 AM
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There is really no way to know for sure. For research purposes, once can think of 5 categories: (1) proven to be a false accusation; (2) insufficient evidence to prosecute; (3) sufficient evidence to prosecute, resulting in an acquittal; (4) sufficient evidence to prosecute, resulting in a guilty plea; (5) conviction. Each of these represents a potentially "noisy" measure of the truth, with (1) and (5) being the least noisy. It is probably not terrible (for research purposes) to assume that (1) …
/r/MensRights15/12/10 07:58 AM
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This is a good idea, because it also diminishes the incentive to issue false rape accusations. Why bother, if all you get out of it is a restraining order against some schmuck who probably doesn't want much to do with you anyway?
/r/MensRights14/12/10 10:45 PM
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Would a consent form be sufficient? From what I understand, consent can be revoked at any time (see the post about the "30-second rapist"). You would need at least two forms, one signed before the act, and one signed after the act. Of course, you would also need to prove that all the manufactured acts never happened.
/r/MensRights14/12/10 10:27 PM
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Go talk about your feelings. ... draw attention to perverts? Classic shaming. You wouldn't know a rational argument if it came up and poked you from behind.
/r/MensRights01/12/10 03:49 PM
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I have grabbed a guy's crotch on a crowded subway (I'm a gay guy). But that was in San Francisco, where such things are not unheard of. Judging from his, um, reaction, I don't think he minded much.
/r/MensRights01/12/10 03:49 AM
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Can't say.... But either side seems fine to me (depending who's on the other).
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