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Not really. Plenty of taxes we pay are not part of a "contract" with society. I never agreed to pay taxes for illegal migrants or to pay for Ukranian war, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 01:04 PM
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I've heard that argument, but just as the state distributes money for poor or mentally challenged people instead leaving the burden to the individual, the state should not throw men under the bus just to save some taxes. Men pay the most taxes and yet they are also required to put their own lives at risk, fight for their countries, provide, etc. It makes no sense in a society that claims to want equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:41 PM
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Just pointing out women have way more options. Observe how you are giving men the same options most pro-lifers want to give women. Women don't control gestation either, it is the body which handles it naturally. We don't "create" babies either, our bodies conceive and gestate them. But the points of control are way more in favor of women. Now, blame biology for women getting pregnant after rape, but for the same reason men should have more concessions such as Paper abortion or at least default p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:55 PM
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I disagree that women are punished harder, except maybe for stuff such adultery (probably because for most of history we could never know if the kid was the father's), but men are often killed or even tortured for rape, for example. Not to mention that the law in every country is often applied harder on men, even when we are supposed to be equal and the crime is the same. If a family commits or hides a crime, usually the men is hold responsible way more than anyone else. Just pointing out that j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:00 PM
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Men have social expectations and legal requirements in patriarchal countries, and they are policed and punished harshier for breaking such rules. If women consider traditional family or even staying at home as oppression, even when the woman desires such thing, then I can also consider oppression such requirements on men, which are harshier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:48 PM
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If religion was mostly negative than positive, it would probably have long disappeared. Religion, for instance, unified Arabs and also unified European countries after the fall of Rome. Religion still is useful moral and cultural guideline, and lifestyle. Studies consistently say that religious people are generally healthier and happier, regardless of religion being true or not. What should not exist is marxism, which killed more people than all religions put together, but since "smart intellect…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:11 PM
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Actually, Patriarchal cultures put a lot of requirements on men to take care of their kids, woman, etc. Imagine having to earn not just for you, but also for your woman and kids. Not to mention it is required for men to be ready to fight for the government, their families, etc. It does seem that feminists see that as "privilege" for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:08 PM
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They are not complaining about lack of those freedoms as women claim, while the truth is that women in the West have more rights than men in some aspects (they can abort the baby, men have to suck it up).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:57 PM
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So... no taxes? Good
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:56 PM
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You know, using shocking labels such as nazi or rapist is not working anymore. No wonder why you are losing. Read the cry wolf story.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:55 PM
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Women have many options: most anticonceptive methods, abortion, and adoption. Men just have one option: Condoms or not cum. It's not so hard to understand why some men are justified to not liking the kids they were forced to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:53 PM
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paper abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:52 PM
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They are not complaining about relationships for those freedoms as women claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:52 PM
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The dumbest people I know are "educated". Just think about the many graduated students with 50k in debt that still cannot get a job. They specialize in their bubble and yet forget to learn any other useful skill, so they get hurt the most when they get fired. Ironically, uneducated people have to learn to rely on others and make connections, and learn secondary skills, so they are way more independent and can make a quick buck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:49 PM
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I just see disadvantages, not for having a woman friend, but from being of different genders. Issues with the partners, rumors, differences in how society sees you and her, etc. I'm not implying women are worse friends, just that different gender friendships add additional obstacles and are more unstable for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 08:20 PM
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What unique advantage female relationships have over male relationships if there is no sex or chance to date? I would say nothing at all, in fact it is a liability because when you or her get a partner there will be jelously. That is why both men and women, wisely, prefer friends of their own gender. Why do some women insist otherwise? No idea, I guess it is to have options around or free boyfriend labor. In any case, not the man's benefit anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:17 PM
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A lot of western countries also have huge unemployment for migrants and refugees, such as Syrians in Germany. No matter what the state does, they just don't want to work, and yet they benefit off the state. So migration is not always a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:36 PM
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What an idiot to pay bills for an ex.. for what? Sex sometimes? Just hire a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:34 PM
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You are understanding it right. Women don't need male friends, and men don't need women friends. It is also pointless because it is over if one of you get into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:32 PM
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Friends are not entitled to your free labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:31 PM
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Being a friend is way more than being nice, and women expect the friendship to always be active, pay for stuff or be their free security... while male friends can just stand by and they return to each other as if no time passed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:29 PM
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What's wrong with wanting to fuck your friends? Friends with benefits is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:27 PM
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Women are terrible wingwomen. They propose you their fattest ugliest friend as potential partner. That is how low they see men who befriend them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:26 PM
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That is asking for too much. Why would a healthy man get from a female friend that he does not get from a male friend? He will probably be abused by her using him to move stuff. Not to mention how odd it is to get into a relationship and then she asks you to drop any female friends you may have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:23 PM
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You being disingenuous is, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:21 PM
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Canada and Switzerland are already on that. I think most countries will follow in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:37 PM
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Well, guess what, if men marry single moms they will have to deal with other men's kids all the time, and also with the ex's. So yeah, the older women are, the greatest the baggage. For men too, but men know women would leave if they share the load, so they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:27 PM
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Women expect way more from men, that is the minimal they can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:17 PM
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The sad thing is that such collapse would hurt common people more than the elites living in their bunkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:41 PM
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It is not only about economy, though. Many people have a community and extended families, and they may be poor but family helps. This is now seen as bad in USA, but that was the idea of raising kids in a tribe. That is why often religious communities have more kids and they are usually raised well unless it is a cult or something. At some point it may be only religious people having kids, such as the Orthodox Jews in Israel or the Amish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:38 PM
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It is not only about economy, though. Many people have a community and extended families, and they may be poor but family helps. This is now seen as bad in USA, but that was the idea of raising kids in a tribe. That is why often religious communities have more kids and they are usually raised well unless it is a cult or something. At some point it may be only religious people having kids, such as the Orthodox Jews in Israel or the Amish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:38 PM
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If Trump gets elected and manages to deport a couple million people, we will be hurting then as so many citizens are aging and we don't have enough workers even now. Ironically that would probably help the unemployed men in USA, who are on the millions, so we would probably adapt. But yes, the process will likely be painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:35 PM
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Absolute numbers do not matter, but the proportion of workers for retirees. There may be as well be 100 people in USA but if 90 of them are retired or too old to work, those 10 young people will be burdened and unable to have their own kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:33 PM
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Downsizing the healthy and young population is the worst you can do, because as we get older we are less useful and rely more on healthcare and youth's labor. The only way to downsize is to either stabilize birth rates or somehow accelerate the death of the elder... both imply violating individual rights at some level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:30 PM
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Money or not, if there is no one doing those jobs then only rich people will be able to afford services. They will probably see retired and old people like us as a burden, unless we work until death (which is how it was for 99% of history anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:28 PM
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Working age migrants bring their own elders, who depend on the system. They also stop having kids just as the local population does. It is also selfish to expect other countries to give their best for the continuation of the suicidal demographics of the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:27 PM
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Yeah, it will be a problem and I'm concerned about 10% young working population taking care of their own children and a 70% retirees. They will probably want us gone... But at the end, it is what it is, and individuals have to take their own choices accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:26 PM
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Start with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:24 PM
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If they has the high libido and desire to date, they would at least try. They don't, so what is the problem? Let people live their lives and face the consequences of their decisions. Having a partner is also not free of consequences and bad outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:24 PM
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We all have emotional baggage. The problem I see is that women expect their men to deal with it, even if that came from old relationships. Meanwhile, men cannot really rely on women for emotional support without it being considered "emotional labor". Yeah, women really think they are doing you a favor by just doing the basic of what a partner is supposed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:17 PM
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"At the end it must be always men's fault"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:14 PM
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RP is ensuring that women face the consequences of their choice True, but the fact that we have to have a movement for treat women as adults (which, btw, they hate to have any responsibility) is kind of disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:53 PM
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We are not that social.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:51 PM
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Women have this holier-than-thou attitude and they are oblivious about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:51 PM
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Sure, but those women should not expect protection from authorities and other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:50 PM
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Not happening. Women want to hurt the chances other women have with better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 06:16 PM
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Don't forget the many women that just want to be approached as an ego boost... they don't care about the man. That is why they humblebrag about "harassment" for a guy asking them a question or saying hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 06:15 PM
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I get that is not comfortable for most women, but in the right context (and if the guy is attractive enough) it may work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:46 PM
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* my treasure hole, my hoooole!!! *
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:36 PM
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So? Don't date. So far it seems women with little children are dating, putting their children in risk. If women don't need to date, and they put their children at risk, well, they are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:33 PM
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Why would men approach women other than the possibility of dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:27 PM
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Why do men have to "fight" for custody in the first place? Shared custody should be the default. In any case, if women can "choose" to kill the unborn baby or have it, regardless of the opinion of the father, then why should men be as eager as women to take care of kids they did not want?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:22 PM
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Sure, lady, just opening your legs and getting pregnant is inventing stuff /s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:20 PM
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But that direction is also directly correlated to high poverty rates. Good to ask which is correlation and which is causalisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:20 PM
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I don't get why it is OK to point out crime patterns by sex / gender, but not by race or ethnicity. If one is allowed, so should be the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:15 PM
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Cameras invented by men, of course, as almost all tech that makes everyone safe, life longer and more comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:14 PM
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In my opinion it is one of these: An unique favorable combination of traits you mentioned. For example, short men that may be very sociable and non fat may win over an autistic boring tall man. They don't believe it is worth the effort. I think I'm on this camp. Not saying I don't want a family and a woman, but I don't see it important enough to do more than what I'm already doing. I may come from work too tired or I don't have any hobbies, so the chances become null. My pills also killed my lib…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 07:51 PM
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There are too many simps, but yeah, men shall not care for random women... women don't care even about closer men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:14 PM
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In theory I agree with the blue pill that you shall be happy in your own way, but they say it because it benefits society... Ideally I want to be happy and NOT contribute to a society that hates me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:12 PM
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There is a disconnection between income and attraction since nerds took over.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:12 PM
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It may help, and for most of history sex work was de facto legal, even when society was deeply religious. Now, will it be enough? Probably not, as most men want meaningful family and relationships, but it may help a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:09 PM
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Monogamy in the West is performative and ceremonial. Most people are lineally polygamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:06 PM
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Polygamy is a good strategy if you lose many men and women still rely on men to survive, which is common in the deserts. Monogamy is still the best strategy if genders are more or less balanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:06 PM
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plus unless you're famous, legacy is a shite concept. If biological and family legacy is "shit", imagine how worse is legacy and contribution on a society that does not care about you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:04 PM
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It seems sex/marriage/legacy is the main way to get men at large to buy into society. After all why would men care about contributing to a project that they nor their progeny will reap the benefits of? This is the Key. Men are very nitty gritty and they don't invest in stuff if they don't have to. Men save money and create stuff for themselves and their families, and that benefits society. If they don't have much of a future nor family, there is also no benefit for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:02 PM
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It would be if they believed, but even religious men today think the world is lost or on an apocalyptic stage. Yes, even religious people are kind of nihilistic now. It is quite sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:01 PM
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In theory, no, just as there is nothing wrong with women not being desirable or not being able to have kids. But social pressures and expectations are always there, and relationships are a door to a wider range of experiences that people may want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:55 PM
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I strongly disagree. Men are far more likely to assault, rape and kill than women - when other factors (aggressive urges ) are combined with a mental health diagnosis. It seems it is only expected, since Men are multiple times stronger than women, and some cultures don't respect women at all. I don't think that has anything to do with mental health, though. You can be totally mentally healthy and be evil, or you can be depressed and mentally ill and don't fuck with other people. Besides, as some…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:24 PM
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Yes and no. I remember reading about that female astronaut that got mad at space because she felt isolated. I realized women get, by default, a lot of attention from men and women just for being women. They only notice the lack of it in very isolating situations, so they may have abundance of attention but that does not make them more self-reliable if they lose it. Men, on the other hand, don't get such attention by default, so they develop solo hobbits and projects that help them cope in usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 01:41 PM
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It is disabling, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 01:37 PM
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Selective about zero options?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:36 PM
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True, but you at least can practice to be nice, say thank you, look at the eyes, etc. But I agree, no romantic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:34 PM
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No fun to go to a club in which you are and never will be really part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:33 PM
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have chlamydia I read that's only in Australia, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:32 PM
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You can do that in the comfort of your home, 10x cheaper, safer and no lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:31 PM
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Most men have no problems communicating with female classmates, bosses, clients, coworkers, etc. Exactly. I never had any problem talking to people, men or women, for appropriate topics and in appropriate environments. The issue is when it comes to personal relationships, dating, sex, love, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:30 PM
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Shitty men impressing even shittier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:28 PM
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Your tips are not bad for neurotypical guys, but if you are even slightly autistic, it is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:24 PM
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People go to those places with friends from High School or college, and many of us don't have any of that. I don't go to parties and clubs because I don't have any friends, so it would be awkward for me to go there. Sure, I may make some friends there eventually, but if I don't have any friends now, it is likely I'm not social enough to develop deep relationships in such environment in the first place. I have been going to the gym for years and I never developed any deep friendship there either,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:24 PM
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If your partner says no sex and you say yes sex then you just need to break up and find someone compatible who agrees with your position. No need to argue about who has what boundary or who is controlling whom.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:11 PM
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I've read that single fathers actually do pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:07 PM
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I also would like to be a father, but I want my child to be genetically mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:05 PM
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Ironic you can get them if you change your gender, but to improve yourself it is illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:04 PM
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Well, it does not have to. But filters are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:00 PM
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I guess it is in common ephemeral groups such as parties or birthdays.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:51 PM
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The idea of Equality as a whole has been very damaging and hypocritical for our civilization. The irony is that many of the people who push for it are atheist or agnostic, and yet the idea of equality is as false and unachievable as any other idealistic doctrine. Observe that this idea of equality is not natural. People are diverse, and life itself seeks to diversify itself and feel niches. Equality undermines this natural trend. Equality may kill the oppressor (although you need oppression to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:05 PM
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They can easily get relationships BUT they are seen as practice gfs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:57 PM
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Women have always been valued. Read some history books. Only when they are fertile and young. After it they are only valuable if they help raising kids of other women. Still, women were a liability for fathers, that is why they even paid money to get rid of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:56 PM
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Women are generally more valued in any society because they are able to produce babies. You can kill 95% percent men in another stupid war, and then quickly restore population if you have women. Population? Yes, it can be restored, but if you study Eastern Europe you see that the death of many men almost a century ago has been an economic disaster that created a lot of poverty and lower life quality for those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:54 PM
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It is women who want men to stay in the past when convenient, such as paying for expensive dates and commit blindly to them, while also enjoying the freedom of no commitment with top 20% men. The hell many women are living today while dating is self made.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:52 PM
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Exactly. Women are cheap for top men, who are the most likely to invest the least and care the least about them... but they have status, so women melt for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:49 PM
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If it is not your boss, there is nothing wrong with it. Ideal if you don't work in the same department.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:46 PM
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If you are very attractive, dating apps are OK. If you are average, then school, college and work may help you meet new people. If you are ugly, you may be do well dating even uglier or fatter women. In any case, as someone mentioned, mutual friends are a good way to meet new people if you are social.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 06:36 PM
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Not bad advice... just incomplete and it misses the point. Your motivation to improve shall not be women, women are just a cherry on the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:22 PM
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Because most women don't like men's hobbies. Great way to blame men for women's choices, I appreciate the effort. So? Men don't like women's hobbies either. Again, my point that men prefer to have time with other men in hobbies and projects they share. I'm not blaming men or women for their preferences, nor shaming them. In what way do women put their partner first? Sure, there are many exceptions, but for example women are more likely to vote conservative if their men are conservative. Same for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 05:51 PM
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Most hobbies, projects, interests, etc. are shared among men, rather than men with women. Of course both men and women put their partner first, but in most cases it seems both genders have a bias for their own. I do agree that women have stronger bonds with other women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 04:03 PM
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Yes, but that is a gender thing. Men do the same. Heterosexual Men also value male company more for everything but sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:40 PM
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For me I couldn't fathom having sex with a conservative. Ignoring the rest of the views I disagree with, what if he gets me pregnant? It's not a risk I'm willing to take. Good for you, but plenty of women don't care unless they have to commit or something. Same on how conservative men may have sexual fun with liberal women, but would never consider her a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:38 PM
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I'm not promoting anything, BTW. Last time I checked, apathy is not illegal. Even in countries where you are forced to vote, such as Australia, you can just vote for no one. Men are already checking out of society, though. That is their cope, but the denial of this is also cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:36 PM
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It is a terrible filter for men and indeed it only filters out men who respect limits in the first place. I guess that is how men have gotten better and worse for women. Men generally are adopting more woman-friendly values in general, but terrible men are the only ones nor respecting limits, so women make men "better" but only get the "worse" men... if it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:26 PM
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Yes, all of Venezuela, Sudan and Haiti are running their economies with Cryptocurrency I never claimed that, I'm speculating based on this. Still more realistic than The Handmaid's Tale sexual fantasy so many women have. Men don't need to spend money on medicine and clothes? Naked incels? Homeless incels? food? no? that's not something you need money for? It's easy to "check out from society" when mom and dad pay for everything Sure, just work barely enough for yourself, and not to spend extras …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:24 PM
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Well, there are men who are a threat when they feel disenfranchised, but I don't think this will be the case. Just as for most of history, people just walked away. Men don't really get much from being violent either, they are easily shut down, so they rather defunct the system. In falling Rome, slaves walked away to create decentralized villages. In Medieval times, people walked away from their lords and formed new modern states and free markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:23 PM
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Most men are not approaching women anyway, nor they are having women approaching them. Many men already have partners or don't really want to take the risk of being creeps. How many men do you see approaching women? I see at most one a month, outside of "acceptable" environments such as clubs. Most men meet women organically at work, or by friends of friends, etc. Men also have video games, dating apps, porn, etc. Women are needed for family and stuff, but to be fair, many men don't want or don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:21 PM
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You seem to have a very specific definition of checking out of society. It is clearly not moving to the forest, if that is what you mean. For many people it just giving the bare minimum and taking the most from society. Apathy. People believe that empires die by chaos, but they don't. They are carefully deconstructed and its assets are distributed to smaller entities or individuals. It is basically a planned demolishment, since even decaying empires still have valuable stuff to take over.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:18 PM
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So far Germany has not been able to make Syrians work, tho: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/15/germany-jobs-migrants-asylum-seekers/ The only people who benefit off migrant labor are those companies that rely on cheap labor and don't want to pay fair wages. Nothing to do with race.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:15 PM
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Cryptocurrency 😂😂😂 in a collapsing society 😂😂😂 sure buddy, this tells me you have no idea what economic crisis are. Ironically it is countries with collapsed or depressed economy that are using Bitcoin, but yeah, I'm not sure it will be the future, yet who knows. rent? food? medicine? internet? clothes? lmao You think economic crisis is your mom not bringing you lunch to your room 😂 Incels often live with their parents, tho. Men don't spend money on shit like traveling or new clothes as women do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:12 PM
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No, I get your point, and I think that men shall help women in their families too. I just think that it is way more complicated than people assume. Both men and women seems to be unhappy in different circumstances, ages, and jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:18 PM
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So no more salary to be able to pay for graphic cards and rent? Do you really see men who don't go outside leaving the comfy office or the home office job? lmao You may not be related to the term "under the table". It is basically paying for a job without notifying the government about it, using cash or some other form of exchange. I also expect new developments such as cryptocurrency to take over some transactions, but I'm still not sure that will be the case. Technology made it easier to track…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:16 PM
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No one is forcing women to do house work or marry an abusive husband either, nor staying there... but somehow we have to care about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:48 PM
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I would agree with you if that was not the case that governments and agencies are caring so much about microagresion, sexism, etc. and yet not about men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:47 PM
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That is assuming those migrants will produce. If a migrant brings his retired grandma and uncle, his contribution will be basically null. Not to mention that in Germany, for example, half Syrian refugees are not even working or seeking to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:47 PM
8

It seems women are being used to police men by the state, but women themselves are not aware of it, nor I expect them to be empathic enough to even care.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:45 PM
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You are right. Ideally, most men will shift to an under-the-table exchange economy of services and products. Countries such as Greece already have most population not paying taxes, so I expect a similar development. Women? They will probably do sex work, as they do in Venezuela and Ukraine now. Raising the age of retirement is extremely unpopular, but at the end it means nothing if the people start dying in their jobs, going only to sleep... basically already retired de facto, because older peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:44 PM
0

That is not the point. I may become independent and have my own land and never depend on the state, but I don't want others to suffer either. Besides, most men checking out of society are actually taking entitlements and unemployment money, so they are not independent to what happens to society either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:41 PM
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Basically the end of democracy. For first time in history the receivers of tax money will be way more than the producers, and the resentment will be huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:40 PM
3

I understand the intention of Peterson, but those things are already over. The social values that valued those habits are dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:39 PM
2

If you read about most philosophies and religions, happiness was never the point. In a sense, the happiest people are junkies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:38 PM
2

did what
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:30 PM
6

More men commit suicide than women, does this mean they are unhappier? Only because women don't know how to do it: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4009420-more-women-attempt-suicide-more-men-die-by-suicide/ On assisted suicide, the split seems to be 50/50. Imagine being a woman... having all social and moral support, stronger social bonds, and political pondering, not being seen as a threat, and men interested in helping you... and still find a way to hate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:25 PM
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Usually comfort includes safety. Men are more likely to suffer violent attacks and yet they are not bitching about safety all time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:01 PM
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The irony is that the men who actually get p*ssy don't care shit about what women expect politically or morally from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:51 PM
1

Those things are usually revealed slowly down the line. A lot of women would rather continue the relationship with the attractive man and just don't agree with his ideas. Women make exceptions even for criminals, so plenty would make exceptions for pro-life or conservative men, in fact those men get more sex because they usually are more masculine or at least are not shamed about it. Besides, women often ask for contradictory stuff in men: They want them to be socialist left wing, but also someh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:50 PM
2

Sure, many women also find some SA criminals attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:46 PM
1

I always wonder why atheists and secular people even marry... some of them even have open relationships. Marriage means nothing, and only add some obsolete responsibilities with virtually no benefits you cannot get elsewhere. Is it just a status symbol? Just playing pretend? It is so stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:45 PM
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Women should not complain men don't want to protect them. They are not entitled to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:44 PM
1

Women love their sexual freedom when they are young, but hate when men have leverage and can do the same later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:43 PM
2

IFS is just quoting a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:40 PM
2

I think you can learn to have peace, but happiness is more like a temporal high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:39 PM
2

To be fair, there are reasonable ways to cope... but yes, if your goal is to have a partner and family, obviously you will feel incomplete if you don't have that, and it is not empathic to just say "just be happy".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:38 PM
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Should everyone learn ways to be happy even alone? Of course. Women should also learn to be happy in a sexist world because there will always be risks... but that does not sound that good, right? Apparently society has to be responsible for women's comfort but not for men's
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:37 PM
1

Exactly, this is why top 10% men don't really need to settle. Women eggs rot waiting for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:35 PM
2

In an ideal world where men care about the pleasure of women and many men aren't violent and misogynistic I believe women might actually enjoy having consensual casual fun with someone they find attractive every now and then. In an ideal world locks would not have to exist either! Ironically I think if men enjoyed being single they would become more confident, their mental health would improve thereby actually increasing the odds of finding someone True, but if your intention is to have a family…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:34 PM
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They will probably criticize the source, but CDC confirms women are the most eager to use antidepressants: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:33 PM
2

I guess you can show me a study that replicates evidence for the existence of God? Says the idiot that probably believes there are 400+ genders, and it is OK to transition children just because it gives them brown points.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:33 PM
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Still more accurate than feminist "expert" claiming single women are the happiest, with no statistical evidence. Besides, other studies confirm women are very unhappy: From 2009–2010 through 2017–2018, the percentage of adults who used antidepressants increased among women, but not men. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:32 PM
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If you observe carefully, men have more hobbies and projects and activities alone and with each other than women do. For them, relationships are a prize, an extra. See how many scientists and amazing engineers never married or never really put women on a pedestal. Women are the ones obsessed with relationships, friendships, etc. which is OK and totally fine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:29 PM
3

Same but 32, here. It never gets better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:15 PM
1

It is fixable, but at some point it is perfectly reasonable to give up on this shit if you never really got any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:15 PM
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Basically the social space has been turned hyper-neurotypical... and that explains why Internet is so autistic now, since all autists are terminally online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:11 PM
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Notice how elites (especially on the west coast) are trying to normalize polyamory now. In the past, lords had many women, but officially they had one. Many men died in wars, so many women were alone and available. The workers still paid for those women by taxes and fees. Elites today may get that harem, but I doubt they can really establish it in consistent way as in the past. There are still too many men (maybe that is why they push for wars?) and they don't really have slaves directly (they n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:09 PM
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Women approaching men 'they like' are either going to turn into harem girls or 'forever girlfriends', pretty much guaranteed, because those men have options (Woah, that guy is tall, handsome, has a great job, is outgoing? I'm sure this will work out for me and he doesn't have other women pining for him!). Yeah, hypergamy is the kind of thing that killed almost all empathy I would have for female-specific issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:06 PM
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Those are my three reasons, and I would add: most women are not approachable. they are in groups or never look at you you can get the same level of fun staying home, watching porn or playing video games, and saving a lot of money. sure, sex and relationships would beat it all, but if you cannot get it, next best thing is staying home, saving money, investing in crypto, etc. you can already meet a lot of women in school and work, and old friends. no need to approach strangers. if you are attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:03 PM
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That's a good point. It is also a good strategy because they deprive other women of feeling the high of being approached, kind of how women suggest ugly hairstyles to other women, or shit talk her boyfriend. It is jealously and competition against other women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:00 PM
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It's a shit test, and observe most women saying that either have a husband, boyfriend or they are lesbians. They say it because it hurts both men and single women, but they don't care because they are not single anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:58 PM
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The medium of " approach all the time" is "approach sometimes", and the medium of " sit around and wait" is just sometimes putting yourself out there and sometimes being active. You are mixing two different strategies, so there is no "medium" there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:51 PM
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As opposed to your solution of “jUsT SiT aRoUnD aNd WaiT bRo!!!”? Or just focus on other stuff rather than trying to ponder to people who lie and despise you. After all, most couples today meet online, at work or at school... so yes, you can wait there and you don't have to play idiot by following contradictory stupid games of random resentful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:49 PM
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I swear this universe exists in multiple contradictory states all at once. It's people with no principles, like those women calling Lizzo beautiful but getting mad if you compare them to Lizzo. They love lies, they love gaslighting others, and they love to look empathic and good, without actually dealing with reality and honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:46 PM
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They’re the exact same as the pushy men they despise. It's all projection. The difference may be that they are not dangerous as much as men can be, but just as annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:31 PM
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It's either women claiming they cannot go to the supermarket because they get approached everywhere, or women complaining men are not initiating or approaching. I get women are different, so different experiences, but why are the differences so deep? It makes no sense. Someone must be exaggerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:29 PM
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Sure, I believe everyone deserves some basic respect... I just don't believe women deserve any special treatment or consideration just for being women, specially if you are not getting anything from them or they scorn you. Just as women protest sexism by avoiding interaction with many men, those men can also avoid bad times trying to interact with women. Everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:39 PM
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True, but I don't see the point. Women treat those men as boring at best, and they have female friends that understand them better. If men step further, they are seen as manipulative for wanting "to get into her pants" or some shit. So it is a loss loss for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:38 PM
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But the logic applies here, because porn is inherently sexual. No, I would not like women in my family doing porn, but it would be their choice. I would also not want them working in a dead end job forever, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:02 PM
2

How is it dehumanizing if sex is very human?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:55 PM
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no one would like to see their mom, sister or daughter in it. Terrible argument. I don't want to fuck women in my family, but that does not mean it is bad to want to fuck a woman that is the mom, sister or daughter or someone else. Otherwise we would not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:54 PM
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You don't lose anything with porn if you don't have nothing to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:53 PM
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Feminists love these kind of contradictory arguments, such as saying that tradwives are just privileged people with a lifestyle we cannot sadly afford, but also domestic slaves at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:52 PM
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Honestly I would not even pay taxes if I was that kind of man, and I would actively try to undermine society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:48 PM
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No my case, but yes, we should not encourage these men to "respect women" just for being women, nor sell them false hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:47 PM
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Or just focus on porn, drugs and video games, and drop the idea of dating or making a family in this corpse of society. Why feed the ego of random women that will probably never give them a chance anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:33 PM
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It's a catch-22: You can only speak normally to women if you practice, but if you practice you find that you can be labelled a creep and expelled out of the bar, be shamed in social networks or groups of friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:14 PM
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Women are very classist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:13 PM
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The crazy thing is women saying they are treated as second class citizens while this happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:10 PM
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Would you eat skittles if there was one poisoned pebble in 2% of cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:08 PM
3

Who pays single women for domestic labor they do for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:06 PM
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But even many women who are sex work positive oppose it being a career for younger women to look for. I wonder why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:05 PM
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Call me prude, but I prefer it that way, specially with coworkers and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:03 PM
1

I'm pretty sure single and lonely men earn way more than single women. Socially, both childless single old women and childless single old men are less valuable, but it seems men do better economically, which means less stress and less poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:54 PM
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Tits
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:52 PM
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Richer women today are even less useful, even marrying richer men. They just hire a nanny or an illegal migrant to work in the garden.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:52 PM
1

I honestly don't have a solution to this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:50 PM
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Statistically, single women are happier than women in relationships. They also use the most antidepressants. I guess that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:49 PM
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They love shame. They don't get that men that have little or nothing to lose don't care about shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:46 PM
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Why should I inflate the ego of less-than-average attractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:46 PM
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I think these social shifts are just the result of fast technology. Unless technology somehow is set back, which is very unlikely, we will have to adapt to this. I suspect that in a few decades very few people will reproduce and we will have a huge problem of retirement and healthcare being unpaid. Many will die childless but consume a lot of resources before that, creating resentment on the tiny minority of workers. That tiny minority of workers will either die off or somehow spin off and adopt…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:43 PM
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I'm sure those childless people will not be seen positively by the tiny minority of workers that will be taxed to death to keep them barely alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:40 PM
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France, meanwhile, has been worried about low fertility for 150 years and, last time I checked, there’s still tens of millions of French people running around! The West has been relying on cheap Asian labor for that long, and will rely on it for a while more, but now those countries are also getting rich or having their own demographic depression. France, and other European countries, are relying on migrants and free market to stay afloat. Having "millions of French people" will only make the pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:39 PM
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I don't think civilization will be screwed totally, but those childless people will if somehow people with families avoid contributing to their retirement or labor. Imagine the pressure of being the only niece of 4 childless aunties. In the past often lonely old and sick people were seen negatively and as a social load... hence the old witch archetype. I expect that attitude to return.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:37 PM
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If you feel bad about what stranger think about your decisions, maybe you are not so sure about them. Yes, having a preference to not date childfree or infertile women is as valid as any other. I want a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:34 PM
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Being an unwanted child is the biggest predictor of becoming some sort of criminal or social drain. The biggest financial drain in history will be the demographic wave of retied childless people who will be maintained by overtaxing tiny working minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:33 PM
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So? Happiest people are junkies during a High. Happiness is just a feeling. I prefer values such as safety, purpose, company, etc. over a superficial subjective emotion such as happiness, which is not even an end objective in most philosophies and religions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:31 PM
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Why do you care about the "meaning" others give to you? Leave that to your own loved ones and God. Others are irrelevant. But yes, if I want to have children, I obviously will consider childfree or infertile women as a less desirable option. That does not make them less human... I just want a family, and that is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:29 PM
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That's because mostly religious and conservative people are marrying, while secular people just live together, change partners, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:27 PM
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I don't think the age limit is just about fertility, but also baggage, such as ex's, children from other men, and more wrinkles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:26 PM
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Exactly, and you don't have to be a loser in other aspects. Plenty of wealthy professionals are autistic or lack social skills, but they are successful financially or academically or even as gamers. So sad we had to put sex in the center of everything, when precisely going beyond that is what makes us human and not just dumb animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:20 PM
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Nothing. It is not up to individual men or women. These are social and cultural shifts. It is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:16 PM
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You can get expelled of a bar, lose a job, get punched by a white knight, etc. It is not always about the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:15 PM
1

That is OK. Same for most women who are so fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:13 PM
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Good point. You are feeding her already fat ego and making yourself smaller for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:12 PM
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I think she is trans?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:08 PM
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Women do enjoy the ego boost, tho. I'm not feeding the egos of average-at-best women I see every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:07 PM
1

You say it as a joke, but some women actually want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:06 PM
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Who does not take rejection personally? Psychopaths. Which men women end up with? Psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:05 PM
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True, but usually women are less horny and may not want sex while they are in menstruation or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:03 PM
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based. There is no reason to respect women outside your family and friends or potential partners. Rest of women are irrelevant, just as they see most men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:57 PM
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Is not that a good point for porn being an alternative to sex for undesirable men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:56 PM
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They don't even become addicted, not more than normal partnered men are addicted to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:55 PM
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Men have always had it harder in dating ever since internet even existed (when women had an option to choose, ofc).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:53 PM
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Sure, but it is an easy way to get an orgasm, which may be more than enough for sexually frustrated men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:51 PM
2

True, but also most men in relationships watch porn anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:51 PM
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Yeah, it is extremely cruel and unemphatic, dehumanizing. It reminds me of the nurse that was having fun with male babies having circumcisions because "males deserve the pain they get" or some shit. Imagine having zero chances and women and somehow also not being able to watch porn because some made up feminist law or abstract damage that does not really affect women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:50 PM
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And telling men with no luck to avoid porn because they somehow owe it to women to not engage with that is unreasonable. It is also extremely cruel and unemphatic to men who are neurodivergent or shy and will never get a woman. What is the point of that beside make those men even more miserable? My guess is that women still expect those men to simp for them? Or rather they care more about a made up stupid moral rule rather than the happiness of those men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:48 PM
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Yeah, it also causes ED to see your woman is a blob of fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:45 PM
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Do you want little girls growing up and seeing “hey these girls get rich doing this! I want to be a OF model too!” Wait... I thought sex work was work as important as any other? Now sex work is good enough to be legal but not good enough to be a realistic option for younger women? Make your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:43 PM
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Porn is not ever going away. It is a new normal vice, just as coffee or alcohol or Tabaco. Some form of porn has always existed, as societies had statues of genitals and nude women. Technology just made porn widely available and more real than ever. Sure, it may be produced sometimes exploiting others, but it is the work of the authorities to check on that, not us. Same for any other product that may or may not be ethically produced. Why blame the customers? Why ban the product? Just keep an eye…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:41 PM
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I guess it depends a lot on the culture. Many films show women talking freely about their sexual lives, I wonder if that reflects the culture of some places in the West? Certainly not in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:34 PM
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The most "sexual" thing men talk is jokes about sex, but rarely about sex with specific women or experiences because men don't want to be judged either by other men. But I agree, it is mostly just about stuff, such as world news, games, cars, machines, even history. Contrast it to women's talk centered around people: relationships, looks, and gossip.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:33 PM
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Which is fine, because not everyone is neurotypical. Also all men watch porn anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:31 PM
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No, you didn't, but a lot of autistic or shy men use alcohol that way. Other prescribed drugs also help, but it is not always realistic to suggest that. It just proves that some small changes in personality, even temporal, can be the key for those men to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:49 PM
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Nothing wrong with admitting that some men are unattractive by personality or looks. Men always rate women too. The problem is the gaslighting. Women claiming that "those men don't get dates because they secretly hate women" while women repeatedly date men who openly hate women, etc. This also explains the Lizzo challenge... women who say Lizzo is beautiful but hate when someone compares them to her. The double standards, layers of hypocrisy and pretention, etc. Men also have that in other aspec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:47 PM
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In a sense I can understand these women... they want excitement and something different, drama. Besides, following the rules blindly does not always means a better world. Women want men with agency, and criminals need agency to even exist, while good men can just mindless follow the rules. Of course, this means that some women end up with terrible men. To be fair, those criminal men usually treat them well... until they don't. Then they want the state to rescue them using tax money and labor fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:12 PM
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That is what those women do... they date good men until finally their criminal ex is release from jail, and they go back.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:06 PM
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I'd argue the opposite. Toxic men don't want toxic women... they want women with no drama for relationships, and toxic women usually don't respect their dork husband or boyfriend anyway and just use them for money. Toxic people are parasitic. They need a victim. But yes, those innocent women need to take responsibility and override sexual desire for their own mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:06 PM
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Sorry, but that is a terrible comparison. Plenty of women love their husbands but don't have libido, usually because hormones. I suspect that men being unable to get hard is also a similar problem... but usually it is not because you choose "bad people" as partners. Love can die off. Libido can go lower and lower or even disappear, etc. It is not always abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:04 PM
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Even at the risk of their own safety, which makes the "bear vs men" a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:02 PM
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There are very good women who just love to love criminals. IDK why, I guess it is daddy issues, but usually they are great moms, great people... they just fall in love with monsters. Sure, we can argue that that is not moral, but usually we regard emotional matters as unconscious. Not defending those women either, they should still take responsibility of their terrible decisions, but I don't think it is 100% their fault they just desire a bad boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:01 PM
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The bluepill is right about personality being very important. It is wrong about we being able to change it, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:59 PM
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Alcohol does help some men to flirt and women to be more available (relax). But you cannot be drunk all the time, it is not sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:58 PM
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I think everyone knows that attraction is not about morality or criminal behavior. The problem is the gaslighting and the women who then expect society to rescue them from their own choices, or expect other men to police the men that THEY choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:57 PM
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In the past there were important institutions for single men, such as Monks and some professions. They had key important place in society. They felt important, society got the benefits too. Today, we basically left no institutions for these men. We basically created a global social club for neurotypical people, shaming or ghosting everyone who cannot even fit. Considering that more and more autistic people are being born, I don't think this is sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:56 PM
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A lot of generalizations about thousands of years of history. It would be like someone 10,000 years in the future saying that Christian countries loved gay cultures because Europeans and Americans likes them now. I'm sure a lot of values and customs evolved in those centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:56 PM
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Sure, a lot of diverse native cultures died off, but on terms of numbers European agriculture actually helped them to multiply... at least the few who survived. They are also not fighting each other as they did before. So that is a plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:53 PM
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Is the idea here that men don't offer/feel care or support for people who don't share their language or values? People naturally are less eager to help people who don't have the same culture. That is why you and me don't sell all we have to help Africans or Ukranians, but most of us would probably make sacrifices to help family or friends. A lot of those cultures find acceptable to beat women. It is terrible, but you cannot help those women, because people in those cultures will turn against you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:35 PM
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Most was because they were not used to Afro-euro-asian pathogens. They were mostly isolated for centuries from most of the world population. Sadly, that would happen soon or later. Even if Europeans respected their countries and societies, even if the Chinese came first, it would happen soon or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:32 PM
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They are just normal men expecting women to do their part. There is nothing wrong with expecting women to do their part in a relationship, beyond just status and "emotional support" or whatever. A relationship is about mutual help. There is no need for gender roles, but somehow you have to distribute those roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:30 PM
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The fertile crescent was just that... it wasn't just some giant desert wasteland. In fact the climate has changed a lot over the last couple thousand years. True, the desertification of the zone is relatively new, but still farms and agriculture relied a lot on manual labor, which was best done by men. Only societies that seem somehow "equal" in the past were very small tribal societies in forests, because usually they don't have large scale production in which men will dominate, but even they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:24 PM
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Infanticide was common in the past. We did not have the resources to care for people with disabilities. But honestly I don't think that was a religious thing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:25 PM
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I wonder why women are not libertarians. It is basically the best of the right, constitutional rights, self defense and fewer taxes, with liberal values of the Left such as LGBT issues and so. Sure, many libertarians do support bringing migrants, but usually it is for utilitarian reasons such as skilled workers, not for "humanitarian" reasons bringing men who hate women. On abortion, I think the case was weak and it was about to fail soon or later. Democrats had like 50 years to make it federal …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:08 PM
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We live in a very low trust society, and people protect and defend people they know. Most men would help coworkers, friends, family, etc. but the fact is that we don't know people as much anymore. Most people we find in public are strangers, many of them don't even speak our language nor share our values. We move multiple times in our life for a new job, marriage or just lower taxes to find ourselves in social ground zero again. We work, live and go to gym in totally different places of the city…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:06 PM
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Based. They also vote for politicians who bring men from cultures that treat women as trash. I cannot have much sympathy for women if they keep voting and pushing policy that makes them unsafe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:57 PM
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Remember this guy tried to help and ended up in jail: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:56 PM
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I would help, truly, but I don't want to be stabbed. If I had a gun I would probably intervene, but if I remind well women love to vote for anti-gun laws too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:55 PM
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What society? Society is dead except in some tight religious and ethnic communities. We now have just a bunch of institutions, corporations and public employees interacting with each other and citizens are just in between. Clearly an unsafe and chaotic society is way riskier for women than for men, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:53 PM
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That is a perfectly reasonable view. I also would love people to help me when I'm in trouble, but obviously at the end it is our responsibility to deal with it, and that of the authorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:52 PM
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At some point women will truly have to make a choice in here. Public spaces in big western cities are now unbearable for average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:51 PM
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The sad thing is that not even the police is obligated to help you. It is so crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:47 PM
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Not so fake: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/17/daniel-penny-new-york-subway-chokehold-death-court-appearance/72097114007/ You also see often in public how boyfriends treat their girlfriends as trash. Should we do something? I doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:45 PM
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This is very accurate. Besides, we go less to social events such as church, we sometimes even work from home, so we meet fewer and fewer closer people. Some people have all friends in other states or countries thanks to the internet, so they don't have to socialize. These are weird times. In a sense we still have a community, but it is so widespread and diluted that it feels like eating a half baked cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:45 PM
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It is just a case of a low trust society. When you go out, most people you see are strangers you have never seen before. If we lived in smaller towns and tight communities, we would know who is who, who is dangerous, who is safe, who knows who, etc. Even in the past big cities were high trust because you frequented the same businesses, lived in the same hood since ever, etc. Today, we move multiple times for a new job or after getting married, so such trust is not formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:43 PM
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It makes perfect sense. That is why I suggest women to have pepper spray or tizers. Sadly, they are also being made illegal in some countries because apparently you have to allow criminals to hurt you or take your property.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:41 PM
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I agree that getting stabbed is a huge risk. Besides, often women side with the abusers. and men like this one got into jail because he attacked a man who was bothering passengers and the man died. Sorry, but I do believe that getting killed or stabbed is worse than being raped. I understand many women disagree and prefer death, though, but that is just matter of perspective. If I have to choose between defending a random woman being raped or me being stabbed, I will not be stabbed. Women are mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:40 PM
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No one is denying those atrocities either. Just pointing out that Native Americans were not more innocent just for being technologically limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:36 PM
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Yes, they are traditionally matrilineal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish, but if your father is Jewish you are only partially Jewish and you must convert. On sexism, I think almost all Middle East cultures were somewhat sexist, probably because the harshness of the desert that relied heavily on male labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:35 PM
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Smaller tribes sided with the Spanish. Imagine how evil Aztecs had to be for them to side with totally alien people who did not care about them. Archeological evidence also supports the facts that Aztecs were way more cruel than just greedy Europeans: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535613480/aztec-tower-of-skulls-reveals-women-children-were-sacrificed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:50 PM
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archeologically you'd expect to find hundreds of thousands of skulls and bones from all that sacrificing, wouldn't you agree? https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535613480/aztec-tower-of-skulls-reveals-women-children-were-sacrificed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:48 PM
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More whataboutism. Europeans doing terrible things does not undermines the fact that Native Americans were not any better. Yes, some Native tribes even bought black slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:47 PM
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OT God demanded sacrifice and bet Job’s faith with the devil, while methodically killing and removing Job’s entire family. OT God also sent a couple bears to maul boys to death for teasing a bald man. And also all the male animals and firstborn, then EVERY LIVING BEING except Noah and his implausible collection of critters including the mosquitos and fleas. Neither Judaism nor Christianity required any ritual frequent sacrifice of people, though. Even other pagan cultures such as Greek and Roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:45 PM
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The irony is that most tribes sided with the Spanish because they were less cruel than the Aztecs, and now we are here hating the Spanish as the worse, even when they were seen as heroes by a lot of oppressed tribes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:42 PM
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Jewish people are also matrilineal, yet you can read in ancient texts that they did not treat women very well either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:41 PM
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Usually "egalitarian" societies were just loosely related tribes working together, but families and customs were as sexist and oppressive to women as in any other civilization. The "noble savage" theory has been proven wrong, and most women's rights were only implemented because the equalization that technology brought, and most tech came from the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:41 PM
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I've read there are more Native Americans today than ever, thanks to European technology, medicine, etc. Sure, they have problem with drugs and addiction, but by no means they are worse than when they had no pure water and no electricity and no medicine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:40 PM
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Some men realized that the male paradise of the 50’s that they imagine existed never was and never will be. Projection from women, who are the ones expecting men to behave traditionally, by providing, protecting and still initiating marriage and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:37 PM
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Yes. Most cultures are actually sexist but not necessarily mysogynistic. They see women as having fixed social roles, but they don't necessarily want to hurt women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:57 PM
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Most Redditors don't have much sense of meaning beyond masturbation and drugs. They are often nihilistic, atheistic and materialistic... so their only source of happiness is just hedonism, which gets old quick. They don't have or seek any meaning in life because they don't have a sense of transcendence. Of course they blame everyone else of their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:51 PM
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It’s why I think heterosexual men should be discouraged from seeking a partner. I mean, they are not being discouraged from taking single moms as partners, which makes perfect sense because that kind of women just see them as second options or wallets.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:50 PM
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I heard that single women are happier than single men, but not happier than married women. In any case, what does it matter what makes most people happier? My job would probably not make most people happy, but it makes me happy. Same if you choose the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:47 PM
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Redditors are indeed mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:47 PM
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I don't see much benefit of "mixed" friendships unless you want to add drama with their partners and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:30 PM
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Well maybe old people should have thought about that before they more than tripled the world population and turned property into "investment opportunities" So far only people pushing for more entitlements and tax expenditure are childless progressives and liberals. They hate children but love to tax everyone else's children. A Ponzi scheme is not sustainable, meanwhile there are empires that have had a sustainable population for centuries, such as the Byzantine empire which lasted 1000 years. My…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:14 PM
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If 99% of humans die out, and the remaining 1% continue to have sub-replacement birth rates, guess what… the 1% will die out too. Maybe or maybe not. After wars and mass die offs there is usually a baby boom, such as baby boomers after WWIII and cold war.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:12 PM
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Colleges already have more women than men, and college women prefer educated men, so these trends can be observed in its microcosm. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-gender-ourselves/201403/the-hookup-culture-hurts-women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:13 PM
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I also thing that these gender imbalances would be bad for both men and women, but I just included that because it seems most negative scenarios are when there are more men than women, and yet when there are more women some other issues may get worse, such as unstable families (no need for minority of men to commit) and less stable families.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:36 PM
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There are other factors, such as women not saving any money because they expect men to take care of them, and women being hired for equality points... which means they are fired first when shit hits the fan. It seems many, if not most women prefer to invest in keeping themselves beautiful or attractive to get or keep an economically reliable man, so in a sense women are still investing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:34 PM
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Crime is done by a minority of men motivated by it. If there are fewer men, then there will be a lot of power imbalances in favor of those men, who may not choose commitment and raising kids. Hook up culture hurts women way more than men, and that is what is happening in college where men are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:31 PM
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They are usually divorced men who don't like the process of dating and seduction that much anymore. Let's be honest: getting women is the messiest and most frustrating part of the process. If you can pay some money to skip it, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:28 PM
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It's not that women are evil, is that many of them fail to see the big picture. Of course fewer men would be a sexual benefit for those men, as there would be more women, but that does not mean that the safe space created by civilization would be possible with such a small population working on basic infrastructure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:44 PM
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I guess that is why many societies developed institutions such as monks, which were still very important to society. They also kept prostitution legal. The worst assumption is that unmarried men have no value... it is as bad as thinking that infertile old women have no value. Both groups can have a role, such as being intellectuals or caring for kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:41 PM
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Population reduction does not mean always genocide, it may be fewer people of one gender being born. But yes, nature indeed created just a little more men just to compensate and reach a 50/50. Societies trying to control such proportion is very arrogant, since this proportion is naturally regulated. Yes, even after a war far more men are born just to compensate. During a chemical disaster also more women are born... we don't know why, but I guess it is to create more healthy wombs if some of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:39 PM
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Fewer men means more unmarried women, which means almost always more poverty for women. This is obvious just after a war, when many men are gone and a lot of women rely on the government, creating an economic crisis. This is what happened because WWI in Germany, which ironically caused WWII.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:37 PM
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Although sexually it would probably be a benefit for men, I don't see any country in which a higher female population would prosper, since men do the essential work that would keep those women in a safe and stable environment. Sure, fewer sexual abuse and so on, but also more power imbalance in relationships that would benefit the minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:34 PM
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Usually countries recover quickly after men die, but not economically... the economic hole continues for up to a century. It is way worse if more women than men die, but that is rare (China is the closest example because the one child policy).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:31 PM
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That is just a slippery slope fallacy. Sure there are people against birth control, but it is like saying that all environmentalists are vegans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:29 PM
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LOL never going to happen. First because those poor countries benefit economically off it, and second because Western countries are full of politicians and leaders that love sex tourism. No revenge fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:28 PM
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I mean, usually you need to work hard to get the money to afford such vacations. Being a degenerate does not contradict anyone being hardworking, in fact I would argue that people with higher libido have more motivation to build stuff... maybe that is why almost all celebrities are pervs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:26 PM
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The same women who "want to be left alone" also want the men to initiate conversations, dating, etc. Just because you don't want most men to approach you it does not mean you are taking their role, in fact women resent men for "not treating them as human" because men ignore them to avoid problems, and yet they also push for the same shit that caused this issue in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:24 PM
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I don't get how religious extremism would increase birth rates by itself, there must be other variables because such thing is not universal. In any case, even Africa is having fewer kids compared to, say, 10 years ago. That is the most shocking thing of the demographic collapse: It is happening everywhere, in very different systems and cultures, at the same time... and we don't know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:23 PM
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Exactly, men and women are different, even in the same species. Different social expectations, different priorities, etc. Gender specialization happens in almost every species.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:36 PM
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so... ban prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:28 PM
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For the nth time... it is not the number of people. There may as well be only 100 people in the world, but if 90 of them are old and dependent you will have a huge problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:27 PM
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Making people who don't want kids have them anyway "for society" does not support "a working system." I'm not suggesting "making" people do anything, but that includes not making other people kids pay for childless dead ends. Why it is not OK to have kids to take care of you but it is ok to force other people's kids to pay for your healthcare and lifestyle? It just creates more neglect, abuse, and criminals. That chaotic demographic often comes after war or a crisis, when there is a scarcity of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:25 PM
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Women's value is based on their genetic heritage, just like men's btw. Difference is that women can make it work with less while most men can't which is why most "contributors" in this sub reddit are men. It's self-explanatory really. That is why women often developed a double strategy: Chad fucks and beta bucks. Because men are needed to both provide good genetics and good parenting, and not all men have both. Women just need need to exist and be fertile. The downside is that this fertility win…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:21 PM
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i would prefer to have my own kids, or at least kids my own color
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:55 PM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:54 PM
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Old prostitutes are not that profitable, though. In fact they cost more money to defend, so they are retired. Men also don't rely as much on attraction and social validation as women, in fact men often find stuff such as social network as too intrusive. Women only need that social status to be worthy of the basic contribution of men. Women's value is mostly sexual. Men's value is on virtually everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:54 PM
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I get your point, but this attitude only makes sense if you are independent or rely on a tight community like the Amish or even Mormons do. Those groups probably will not need a state to be around, just as Catholicism continued after Rome fell. Otherwise you are just shooting yourself on the foot. Personally I just contribute the minimal, enough to be independent on myself but not enough to make the system more powerful over me. I don't hate the system so much, I just think it is flawed and doom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:51 PM
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Women are far more shallow than men. Always have been, always will be. Maybe as shallow of men, but women are way more dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:36 PM
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Not only lied to, but gaslighted in real time. It is quite crazy, but that explains the Lizzo challenge... women will say Lizzo is attractive but hate to be compared to her. Why? Because women say a thing and do another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:35 PM
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Most people are monogamous, so if men struggle that means that some women will either have to give up on dating or share men. But for women it is more a commitment issue, for men it is more like a lack of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:33 PM
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The comparison is between men and women. Women will always be considered more valuable. But I would say it is way more traumatic to lose your sexual power so quickly in just a decade, which matches losing fertility. At least men never had it or lose it very slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:30 PM
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This is why contributing to society is such a scam. No man with no women shall contribute any surplus to such system.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:29 PM
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You know it does not work that way. No may who invested in you almost a decade will just get rid of you. The problem is when men date women who were dating other men, having their kids, having crazy exs around, etc. Too much baggage. Women also reject men for baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:28 PM
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Not nice to raise other men's kids, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:26 PM
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There are obviously good women at that age, but they are almost always taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:25 PM
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Well, when you carry children from other men, crazy exs around, etc. it is hard to trust those women, and yet they are as entitled as younger available women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:24 PM
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Pro-life argument is explicitly against abortion, not contraception. Sure, maybe some very conservative also oppose contraception, but they don't define such movement. BTW, most pro-choicers don't support unrestricted abortion at 9th month either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:20 PM
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We also need a healthy stable population to pay for the entitlements that ironically anti-child Progressive people support the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:18 PM
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People simply don't want to have children. I don't want to pay taxes either, but I know that we need taxes to have a working system. We also need a healthy stable population to pay for the entitlements that ironically anti-child Progressive people support the most. But still, most couples still want children... they just assume they can wait, even when that means infertility. It is kind of sad that you finally find the money and the home, yet now you are infertile. All those properties will go t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:17 PM
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There is more than that: Even poor countries are having way less children. People from communist countries such as North Korea or ultracapitalist countries such as USA and South Korea... same problem. Religion? Italy and Latin America are going the same way. Only exception seems to be Nigeria. Although religious people have more kids, it is not by a lot, and their birth rates are just a few decades behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:16 PM
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rollingstone To the trash
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:14 PM
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Humans will not go away, even if 99% of them die, if there is enough genetic diversity the species will continue on. Humans have also adapted to many environments and have good technology. The problem is that the state does relies on people to tax. Have you noticed that the same people who hate Children also want more taxes and entitlements? Why? Because they believe the state makes wealth and labor out of thin air, ignorant about the fact that we need a younger working population for a state to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:12 PM
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People on the top will be the last to starve, tho. Less population means less infrastructure and less security for everyone. It always was that way... tribes with no children die off. We are just acting as a giant worldwide tribe now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:10 PM
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I think you are just cherry picking arguments. Sure, there are natalists that may use those insults, but there are also antinatalists who call unborn babies "parasites", for example. You find stupid arguments and insult in every side.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:09 PM
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Are they? I thought they were just against abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:07 PM
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Revenge would imply someone doing something against them. They do it themselves, so why shall the customers pay for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:42 PM
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Those men did not force those women either. It is consent. Very sad that blue collar men are so hated for just wanting to find love. Why are women so classist?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:40 PM
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Sure, but they don't know if the prostitute was on a pill or something or if they were honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:33 PM
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Is the topic STDs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:32 PM
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The leeches are those women trying to use their own kids to manipulate honest hardworking men that just wanted to have some fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:31 PM
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I guess most of those men don't even kno0w they have offspring there. Wonder how many of them even had sex with their own kids without knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:24 PM
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All our systems are founded on oppression of workers elsewhere. First, Europeans banned slavery in their lands but allowed it in America. Then America banned it but they moved industries to Asia and poor Latin American countries where they can still exploit workers. It is quite sad... people don't hate oppression, they just hate to have to look at the eyes of the oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:24 PM
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I don't think those men even know that they have kids there, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:22 PM
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...but it also discourages sex tourism which brings STD's back to their home countries. These are a burden on the healthcare system so should be harshly dischouraged. Some would say that about the LGBT community and STDs, but that would be considered hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:19 PM
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Exactly. Countries rarely share genetic information for this purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:18 PM
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eta: pro choice btw. Abortion is a personal choice, a medical decision. If someone wants an abortion , that’s their prerogative. Same as if they don’t want one - their prerogative. Agreed. That is why the baby is also their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:55 PM
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I get that you fantasize about leaving a sex worker in a poor country with a child as punishment for being a sex worker, but I also get that you will never do this in real life. Why do yo make it personal? I'm gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:40 PM
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So... suddenly conception is important as prolifers claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:38 PM
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If you choose to have sex, you choose to have a chance on children. Funny... when prolifers use that argument against abortion, they are bigots.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:37 PM
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I'm not a NEET, but I don't find asian women attractive (eww).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:31 PM
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Yes, it is sad, but it is still more a moral issue than legality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:30 PM
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Thailand. Philippines, etc. are usually hot spots for sex tourism for western men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:26 PM
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Hard to talk about "moral responsibility" when they open legs in exchange for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:20 PM
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In most of the world there is a huge overlap on that, but I agree, it is not the same. I should have been more clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:19 PM
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Sure, but some men have no problem taking that risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:18 PM
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It is like the stuff we buy from Temu. It is probably made by child slaves, just as our smart phones. That's sad but it is not our battle to fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:18 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn1-j8AizuU
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:17 PM
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They are relatively poor compared to the West, but these women can make in a night what men in their countries make in a month working in the mines and losing their health there... but somehow "sex work is more abusive" or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:16 PM
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The penis sensation is better without a condom. If I pay even $100 dollars for that, why would I decrease the quality of my experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:14 PM
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Me neither, but that is their prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:14 PM
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Because many women rely on thirsty men to simp for them, and if those men get what they want without giving much in exchange, that takes away power from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:56 PM
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The same women that buy clothes and devices made by asian slaves also complain about "power imbalance" or shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:55 PM
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Agreed. These prostitutes are not poor, they can make hundreds in a night, and pay for their birth control or whatever. They don't, they want to baby trap men that pay for their service.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:54 PM
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Yes, but people still use social networks such as Instagram and texting for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:29 PM
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Actually, I would argue that beautiful women are treated the best by men and never seen as "gold diggers" because their beauty is their value. They enrich your social and sexual life by just being there. Only gold diggers I see are often average women who are mentally ill, single moms, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:19 PM
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They still expect the guy to pay the restaurant bills, and resent him otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:10 PM
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Yes, all women are gold diggers to an extend, but beautiful baggage-free women give value by just existing, so men don't see it as unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:09 PM
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It does not feel unfair for the man to pay a premium for a relationship with such a beautiful woman, whose beauty enriches his life. It only feels unfair when the woman is average, clearly desperate for money and stability rather than love, as she is not adding much but baggage to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:09 PM
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We put Youth on a pedestal because we put sex and the Fertile Female on a pedestal. Not long ago, we had social archetypes for the Mother, the Grandmother, the Wise Librarian Aunt, the Sister, etc. Now we only have sexual archetypes for beauty and social appreciation. Old women are thrown into a Nursing Home, seen as useless. Grandma no longer help raises the kids, they rather pay $1000 a month to a stranger to raise our kids, etc. On men it happened too, but I would argue to a lesser extend, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:03 PM
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Stay at home moms can be despised or loved, just as any man or woman in any kind of relationship. Besides, today most SAH moms still find jobs while their kids are at school, sell stuff online, etc. They are not helpless women locked in their homes. I would feel way less loved living with my partner who treat me as just a room mate, but that is on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:59 PM
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Men don't say women are worthless at 30. In fact, women of every age get more attention than men... sure, not exactly the men they want, but clearly men don't think women over X age are worthless. But if a successful richer man can pick younger women, with no crazy exs and step children, why should not the?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:56 PM
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Not having money or not having a stable job is enough for most women to not even consider those men. Some stereotypes of professional men such as doctors follow this pattern: they spend all those years studying, so now they want to have fun and marry a young woman. Besides, schools and colleges often discourage "teen sex" or scare us about pregnancy and STDs (although usually it is just an underlying moral panic), so many people, specially men, never really get to experience sex with people the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:54 PM
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It does not matter if 90% of Chads settle down eventually. The 10% of them will keep playing the field, creating single moms and women who now despise their less-than-ideal husband by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:50 PM
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Resentment implies you want revenge, but these guys are not trying to hurt anyone. They just want to compensate, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's just FOMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:48 PM
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Yeah, the same women of our generation that dated men 10 or 20 years older than them, to get sex and money, are now calling out men in their generation for dating younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:46 PM
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Not revenge, because when you get to the happier state you want usually there is no resentment left. But indeed, if you survived into your 30s without meaningful relationships and sex, it makes sense you may want to live the experience you did not live before. Why should successful pick the fat single moms of your own generation, if now they can pick younger girls with way less baggage? Those women also had their fun choosing the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:45 PM
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Real world dating is not going back, ever. We have to adapt to online dating or die off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:43 PM
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Those women are mostly limiting themselves, as men are way thirstier for that than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:42 PM
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The whole idea of an "other half", or "soulmate" is based on old pagan surerstition. Yeah, New Age trash. For most of history, marriage was more about a contract to have kids and care for each other, kind of like the lord-serf contract, but more common and a little more egalitarian in exchange. Love either naturally came from that union or never came, but love was never the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:38 PM
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Agreed, but if you had a family in your plans, not having it (while so many people have it) may be a rough adaptation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 05:49 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, just adding that it seems irrational for women to be pickier if they have even more options, and yet that happens probably because we evolved by the assumption that in most cases there is an excess of women rather than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 03:15 PM
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Well, it is a very real possibility, for both men and women, to end up alone and miserable. But we can just go general: It usually happens if your expectations that are not met. If you expected to make a career and you believe being a mother stopped that, then you will feel miserable. In the same way, if you dream of having kids and yet you are found to be too old to have them, you may also feel miserable. Observe that most of those "miserable housewives" don't necessarily dream of anything else…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 03:14 PM
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During our evolution, in most cases men died and most women survived, going with the winners. It is very unnatural for a society to have a huge excess of men, which is probably what makes women act crazy when that is the case. Our sociology simply did not evolve to handle such situation. Meanwhile, literally 90% of men in a country could die (see Ukraine) and yet if most women are alive it is unlikely to cause a huge demographic issues (although the economic hole of so many dead men will be huge…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:10 PM
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I would say men can use commitment as leverage, not necessarily in a manipulative way, but women usually put commitment first. In any case, just as sex, commitment does not mean much anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:06 PM
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True, but some men are so horny that they indeed are manipulated that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:05 PM
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I don't get it. Do you say you are virgin in the first date? Do you put it in your profile or anything? I'm sure most men would not care, and some men would even appreciate that you are virgin, specially if they are not promiscuous themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:03 PM
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Because those men did not choose such thing, while most of those women had it 10x easier and still can get a partner if they want, but they don't. Would you be more empathic with someone who got bad luck or someone who made and is still making terrible decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:01 PM
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It kind of sucks to be a single average fat woman... you say you will be happy in your own, but that means spending what you would spend on children, but on many hours of therapy and antidepressants. You believe your best friends will be there for your forever, but they get married and they don't even invite you to their wedding, so you now have no vacation partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:00 PM
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Actually it is the opposite... the most options women have, the pickier they get. See the "leftover" women of China, there are plenty of videos, who are women that were born in the generation of an excess of men because the state enforced "one child policy". Those are the most entitled and delusional women, way worse than in the West, and that is saying a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:58 PM
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Exactly. Who is to blame the most when things go to shit? The person with the most power. Who is generally the people with most power in dating and relationships? Women and a minority of highly valuable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:56 PM
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The sad thing is that they never will admit it is at least part their own fault, and the older they get the less likely they are to change. It is basically outsourcing your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:55 PM
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If you have expectations you cannot meet, say having kids but not being able to find a partner or having kids and never realizing even part of your professional needs, you are creating an environment to be miserable anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:53 PM
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Single people are seen as "incomplete" in virtually every society, probably because every tribe needed people to be born. So yes, it sucks for single people like us, but it is for a good reason it sucks: Otherwise we would probably go extinct, we would have to work without retirement, and the system would collapse. It does not matter if you are an "independent woman", those expectations get to you soon or later. That is why a lot of those "independent and successful" women are on pills or therap…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:52 PM
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To be fair to women, it may be hormones to blame for messing up with emotions and so on. Sure, men also have hormones, but the period and physical changes of women are more radical.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:27 PM
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True, but this is probably more due to women fearing being physically and sexually assaulted by a stranger. Who is more likely to commit a violent crime that can harm you? Men You can use the same physical difference to say that is why men seem to be more violent: They just are stronger. Lesbian relationships are way more violent than straight relationships, and there is no man to blame. It seems men just have a broader capacity to help but also to harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:42 PM
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Who is most likely to help me if I get a flat tire? Almost always some man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:32 PM
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As long as I don't get what others get for just existing (partner, friends, etc.) I will not serve society more than it deserves. I will not pay or promote a system that disenfranchises me. I only pay taxes because I have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:31 PM
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It does not matter if you are served 100% well in a nice restaurant some shit, it is still shit. Being nice to women will not change women seeing you as shit, even if that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:29 PM
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Plenty of women date men who treat them as trash, even criminals and violent thugs. If title was true, those men would be sexless and single forever. Clearly, sexual attraction has nothing to do with being a gentleman or treating women X or Y way, at least not the bulk of it. You can be a very nice fat nerd guy, but that will not get you any girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:28 PM
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61% of bisexual women and 44% of lesbian women surveyed in 2013 reported some type of intimate partner violence (IPV) compared to 35% of straight women. https://www.standffov.org/tdvam/abuse-in-lesbian-relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:03 PM
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Women already know that. They just also love to play victim, so they reap the benefits of privilege and also the comfort of being cared for as a "victim".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:02 PM
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What is flattering to women is the power they have over men just for being sexually desirable. Of course they may use that to make female friends jealous. On men having sex with things... Women may also use a dildo, so your point is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:59 PM
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Compared to what? The disaster violent relationships that lesbians have?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:56 PM
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Yes, and women often see men as potential income, or a potential relationship and future father of their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:53 PM
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Sure, and prioritizing a relationship is not always a path to sex. But if you want a complete romantic relationship you will need both the sexual and platonic aspects. Men and women prioritize both in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:52 PM
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Who does not like a good penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:25 PM
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Agreed, but plastic surgeries are way more expensive and rare than sterilizations. That is why Plastic surgeons are heavily specialized. I'm not saying women shall not have the right to find a provider that sterilizes them, I'm just pointing out that the doctor's reasons are usually not ill-intended toward women, but rather rooted on their own self interest as professionals. Besides, as a doctor you only need one bad experience to have enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:24 PM
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It's nothing autistic to recognize that sex and relationships can go together but they don't have to go together. I kind of agree, it is just another philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:21 PM
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Sex feels good, it is important for reproduction and bonding, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:47 PM
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It really does not matter if they can win or not, that can be very expensive and time intensive for the provider, besides that those people can damage the image of the provider. It does not matter if only 2% of women want to change their minds, that can be enough to make their career hell. Ironically, feminists also use this argument for discouraging women from marrying in their late teens or early 20s. I guess it is also the case for other kind of life-changing surgeries, such as those of sex c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:45 PM
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You may argue that it also does not benefit men to give emotional support and resources without sex in exchange. Both things are very important, and women often downplay the contribution of fathers and men, and yet that safety and stability net that men are motivated to keep is what also allows a healthy emotional environment. I don't get why some women hate male sexuality so much, as if it was not required for us to be born.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:25 PM
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Men also appreciate relationships, they just prioritize the steps in reverse. Men put sex and attraction first and then invest emotionally. Women do the opposite, invest emotionally and then open to sex. This dynamic makes perfect sense as it creates a middle point where both men and women can find each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 06:48 PM
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I do want kids, but I understand why some people don't want to. Most redditors who don't want kids seem to be dysgenic mentally ill people on antidepressants, so it is kind of a self-selecting mechanism. They pretend to be "childfree" but in fact they never really had such choice as genetics and their autism / inceldom will never allow them to. Of course, it does not work for everyone because plenty of people have kids they don't care about so much. The irony is that if no one has kids, life wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:26 PM
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I get that women obviously are not treated the same, but that does not mean they are not treated as people. We don't treat everyone equal... we may fear some people, like others, ignore most, etc. Besides, women already have wider and stronger social relationships. Why are they asking for even more without even being clear about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:25 PM
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I'm sure you can generalize that to anything... "Why even use locks, if thieves are not supposed to steal?" We have so many ways to defend ourselves now... just as power tools allow women to do bluecollar jobs too without being as strong, women can also defend themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:22 PM
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I cannot comprehend people needing to “earn” my respect in order to be treated with kindness and compassion Valuable things in life such as trust are often earned by time and closeness. Most men would make trust bonds with women they work with, even shy and autistic men, with no issues. Giving that for free is off... like it had no value. No matter what, you cannot treat everyone as a friend without devaluing friendship. Women still have better and wider relationship circles than men... Why the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:19 PM
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So probably you can u derstand why some men are scared of women, not because you are like aliens, but because you have the power to ruin us if you want to. Exactly. The fear of on the force of the authority that uses women as their spies and agents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:15 PM
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The idea is that you shouldn't be afraid to talk to women. If some women overact to men even talking to them, is not that a reasonable fear to have for some men? Specially for men who already had a bad experience that way. Beside, just because men may not be interested in talking to you, or any stranger, it does not mean they hate you or fear you. They may be shy or just disinterested. You may as well also start a conversation and make a good friend if you wish, and I'm sure many shy men will ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:12 PM
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But that requirement is not very clear. What it means for men to treat women as human beings? To ignore them as they ignore men? Approach them and then give the ick? At this point is just seems women are just asking for reality to be like they wish, and yet women themselves don't agree on how men should do that, or even why should men behave as women wish in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:09 PM
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How is that dehumanizing? There are people you like, people you don't, people to fear... that has nothing to do with humanization. Most women also prefer that, in the sense they don't want most men approaching or talking to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:04 PM
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A few points for women: You being sexually desired does not make you "less human" or "less valuable". Most women ignore most men, way more than men ignore women or each other. That is way more dehumanizing. Women are free to join most hobbies men have and men can join many traditionally female hobbies, they don't, so obviously men don't have much to talk about each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:02 PM
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Doctors don't want to be sued by women who change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:15 PM
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Most redditors are dysgenic and chronically online people. They will probably never even have to make that choice as life did it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:14 PM
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men being willing to fuck anyone does not make women feel valuable. Women have no problem using such leverage to get power and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:08 PM
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Sure, men have such a need to fuck fruits /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:58 PM
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Dude there is zero value in sex. Men fuck fruit. This is a stupid argument, as Women also fuck vibrators. Women value sex as a source of their power. Sex is the only significant leverage women have on men, and that is why they exploit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:55 PM
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Men in USA still have to register in the reserve in case of war, yet women have the same say in politics. It is stupid and insane. No wonder why no one wants to die for this corpse of a country.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:25 PM
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I'm sure that if rapists are going to take the risk to rape, they will not go for old or ugly girls, unless they are on drugs or there is no other opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:23 PM
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Usually those are famous girls. There are not nearby as much many hot guys as there are fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:22 PM
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I mean, if they have no other option, they probably will choose the fat girl, but yeah... personally I would rather masturbate, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:10 PM
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Sometimes people cheat to get more personal relationship or sex, while they enjoy the benefits of commitment with the person they married.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 03:09 PM
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Typical motivation for women in very narcissistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DTf8LVWTAs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:02 PM
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According to r/ ForeverAloneWomen, they do but the men unmatch them (as they just swift right for everyone but pick later), or ghost after they send pics, or never invite them out for dates, etc. It makes sense that most men in those apps are the most socially inept, so the problem now becomes empty conversations rather than no conversations or hits in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:00 PM
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So what fantasy is it when men say “men would fuck anything?” I guess it is just a negative avatar of the phrase "You are a queen and valuable for what you are, regardless of how old or fat you are". Only way for women to accept that, knowing that not all women are ideal, is to accept that men would fuck everything... still better than accepting not all women deserve shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:58 PM
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Yeah, "men only want one thing"... maybe because that is the thing you easily give them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:57 PM
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Yeah, drugs indeed play a huge rules, for women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:54 PM
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Yeah, and they get away with it in bars and public spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:53 PM
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Of course your friends aren’t going to go for the fat and ugly girls in public. They keep it private because they aren’t proud of it. That's a good point I have not considered. After all, those same women get plenty of messages in apps, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:52 PM
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Women assume they are always sexually valuable, which may have some truth, but they exaggerate that to feel better with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:50 PM
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Yeah, I get it as humble bragging. Beside, they claim a guy "hit" them even when they asked them a genuine question or wanted them to move away. This explains why average and ugly women are more likely to be the ones claiming this stuff about harassment. Not saying it does not happen, but they do give it more importance than beautiful women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:10 PM
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The key is them feeling valuable no matter what. That is why they use phrases such as "You are a queen" and "you deserve better" even when clearly not all women deserve better nor are "queens" nor are desirable. At least the delusion of having more sexual leverage than they actually have may help cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:08 PM
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Fruits
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:55 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:55 PM
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Some women are more social and don't treat men as trash, so men like them back. My aunt is like that, even into her 60s and 70s, even security guards insist to accompany her and so on... and yet most women (young and old) I know are not as close to being that attractive. I guess women are right on something: personality also matters to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:18 PM
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The claim "women would fuck anything" is just women saying "I'm sexually valuable no matter what", which has some truth, but not necessarily from the men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:15 PM
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I've only seen that on girls that are social and have stuff such as onlyfans, which allows them to exploit the fetishes of some men (few in percent, but many in numbers). So far almost all fat women I know also have fat husbands / boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:05 PM
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I don't think humans are truly monogamous, and I don't have any interest in wasting more time and money pretending that they are. I would say men are polygamous and women are hypergamous, so monogamy is kind of a middle point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:03 PM
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It's OK to accept when you are less than ideal and recognize that. Better than being delusional about what you are not and others using such delusion to manipulate you. All of us are less than ideal in a category or another. As long as you are good in at least some niche, you can attach your self-stem to that even if you fair in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:02 PM
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It is a reasonable concern in these times where commitment means close to nothing. Even if you do value commitment, what guarantees you that your partner will always value it? There are also not real legal or social or moral consequences anymore. Demons won.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:01 PM
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I mean, even if 99% of men had higher standards, only the 1% attracted to you would still bother you, so... it does not matter. Typical poisoned well problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:55 PM
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they are lowering our values 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:55 PM
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Alcohol and drugs make miracles for fat undesirable ladies. In that sense, the standard seems to be numbers just to compare. "I fucked 50 women", even if they are just toothless addicts with STDs on the streets of Los Angeles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:53 PM
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I was reading the experience of ugly women in apps, and apparently they are often ghosted or asked for pictures but rarely get sex from the guys they want. Men have wider range of taste and they are lazier, so they swipe right to every profile and then pick later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:43 PM
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I mean, it seems you are right their tastes are wider, and it makes sense because they don't have the risk of pregnancy that makes women be pickier (which is perfectly reasonable). I would add that men are probably pickier in other aspects, such as relationships and sharing their resources, unless that is the only way they can get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:42 PM
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Good point. Same women probably find their boyfriend watching porn as "cheating".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:40 PM
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I also don’t see at all how thinking that men fck anything makes us women feel more attractive/better about ourselves. It makes women feel they have more leverage than they really have ("Queen, you are such a goddess!! Perfect as you are. PREACH")), which is why fat women are often so entitled to attractive and high quality men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:38 PM
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Yeah, short term... obviously. Like alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:27 PM
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Men are not hyper-horny, they are hornier than women for sure, but it is female fantasy that men would fuck anything... otherwise women would put no effort to look good for their men, for example. Personally I would rather masturbate than fuck an obese woman. Not even incels choose prostitutes, no matter how horny they are, because they want something more than just sex. In a sense, Erectile Disfunction is just men losing interest for a women. If you have access to an attractive younger woman, E…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:14 PM
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It's a female fantasy for them to feel more desirable than they really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:12 PM
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Exactly. Most fat women cause me disgust. I NEVER would even consider fucking them, no matter how desperate or virgin I would be... but I can imagine some men are way hornier than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:12 PM
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Most women are not whores or prudes, but something in between. It makes sense most women use shame for more promiscuous women and sexual encouragement for more "prude" women. Yeh less loneliness less depression , better shape , bondings etc etc.. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5184218/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:08 PM
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I don't care about random single moms either, but I have to pay extra tax to pay for their bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:05 PM
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Yeah, good point. The sad thing is that the state will bail them out anyway, so they will not suffer the extend of the consequences of treating the other gender as inferior slaves. Only hope is men contributing the least to the system as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:03 PM
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Of course, this is a bubble. There are not enough desirable men for all women and women are desirable and fertile for way less years than those men. Top men they choose will dump them in a few years, that is how they get like 5 children from different guys. Maybe child support is all they wanted after all, LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:50 PM
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Seriously, approx 95% of discussions boil down to: -You not attractive?Stfu it's your fault Except if the uggo is a woman. If that is the case, no matter how morbid obese and disgusting she is, she is a "queen".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:48 PM
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At best you may lose your self steem, as you die a little with every rejection that confirms your undesirability. At worse she may make it a huge issue that may put you in problems with the law or her boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:48 PM
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Men know this. Women only encourage or claim to like this because they want an ego boost. Of course they will reject you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:46 PM
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Good point. Slut shaming is like the equivalent of women judging men for their money or (in)ability to provide. The issue in the West is that women still have that right while men are discouraged or even punished for their preferences on this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:45 PM
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Women with high counts get married and date with no issue. Some studies say that such relationships are more unstable, and that may explain why they are less happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:43 PM
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That is not the only reason to shame women. For instance, plenty of people (men or women, ugly or not) shame women for taking strangers to have sex while their little children are in the other room. Or people who have children and come drunk every night, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:41 PM
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Slut shaming works, and is important to regulate sexuality, which has huge health, social and demographic consequences that everyone has to handle. Besides, slut shaming comes mostly from other women because it basically takes away *men and quality men from women as a group. Men focus on other forms of shaming other men, such as men who don't contribute or are pervs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:38 PM
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The notion of "mutual social control" or "goodness for most people" is universal, in fact for most of history it made no sense because you prioritized your own over other tribes or foreigners. Today we have the luxury to at least pretend that is not the case, because technology improved our lives and because we outsource any human right violations and slave labor to Asia... but that is another topic. At the end, we are just "comfortable" because we are sandboxed in a civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:36 PM
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They are still moral. There is no fundamental logical reason to say that, for example, killing others is bad. It is convention.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:40 PM
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In the West, all laws, human rights, etc. have a moral core based on secularized Christian morality from the Enlightenment. In the East, the equivalent is based on secular interpretation of Hinduism and Buddhism or philosophies such as Confucianism. So, trying to sell your position as amoral or post-moral is not very wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:44 PM
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Most arguments against sex work are emotional and moral, but very powerful, even among people who supposedly support sex work. Would you support sex worker recruiters talking to High School girls, as you would for any other job? Ironically most pro-sex work parents would never support encouraging or supporting their daughter to that job, but why not if it is like any other job?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:49 PM
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Men are not scared of those women. as much as they know those women have standards that are too high to fulfil. That is why most of those women end up alone. Nothing wrong with that... they just choose that over choosing men lower than them, and there are not enough men more successful than them to pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:33 PM
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The "men are trash" or "men are pervs" claims are common, while any criticism of women is seen as mysogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:17 PM
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Typical chicken first or egg first problem, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:11 PM
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Women feel very entitled to not be "offended" by posts here, tho socially it is acceptable to trash on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:03 PM
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I good argument they seem to have is emotional... no one would want their daughter or mother to work as a sex worker, even if they want to or they live in a country where it is legal. Sex is also seen as a bonding between humans that shall be fully voluntary and not just imperative because a need for money. Not saying those are good arguments, but think about it: Would you support sex worker recruiters talking to your daughter in High School? I mean, we would accept any other job (maybe not as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:02 PM
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a virgin dude who's nice and everyone love him who just haven't found the right girl yet is not seen as a loser. In a sense they are seen as bigger losers, because those men can make friends yet not get a partner. They are in a worse hell in which they see people marry and date while they stay alone. At least shy single men can hide away from facing that and are seen as autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:55 PM
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I would not be so happy, tho. I expect it will get worse for childless people in the future (voluntary or not), as they will seen as a load to to society by younger people (other people's children), who will resent paying taxes childless old people. I'm involuntarily childless, but I'll be seen as selfish too. Maybe they will put us to sleep or take away some benefits for not keeping the population pyramid sustainable... and honestly I get it, because how can a 5x smaller younger generation take…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:51 PM
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The backslash is from those women, though. If the government criticized games, they would also get a backslash from gamers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:49 PM
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Maybe you are right, but only for commitment. Men have no problem with promiscuous women for fun... and those women can make good money that way too, so it is not as bad as for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:47 PM
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Exactly. If other people criticize your lifestyle based on their own assumptions, whatever they are right or not, they are probably either trying to manipulate you into doing something or trying to push you down because they see you as a threat or a load. In any case, you* shall not care.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:45 PM
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There are many pressures for men to find a partner: Most social settings only invite partnered men. The government wants men to have a reason to make a profit and pay more taxes. That is why they are freaking out about people not having many kids (to be fair, it is a valid reason to freak out if the whole system relies on younger labor). Sexual individual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:44 PM
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I don't see men denying that, tho. Meanwhile women claim that X men would be more likable if they "respected" women or shit like that, while their actions prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:16 PM
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Nothing wrong with porn. Porn is enough for most men once in a while. If you have low libido like me they can even replace sex in many cases. Sure, porn is not as good as sex but it is FREE ORGASM. Women hate porn for no rational reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:50 PM
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Why you don't get that sexual attractiveness being unrelated to character is not saying that poor character = attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:49 PM
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It is more likely for those men to associate feminists with fat women, old cat ladies, etc. Not saying that image is accurate or truth, but clearly those misogynist men still fall for the halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:48 PM
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In that context, you need to know yourself to out who is not part of your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:47 PM
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That view seems to be more common among feminists judging men. Using images of muscular men as examples of "toxic masculinity" or "chuds". Only recently they started to prefer the incel memes, yet they still associate traits such as strength or gym culture with poor character or lack of morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:46 PM
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Sure, just pointing out that those men don't necessarily associate beauty with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:43 PM
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So you don't agree that sexual attraction has nothing to do with the morality of the person? I believe that the fact that so many women are hurt by men, and yet they return to those men, proves that such attraction is not attached to morality of the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:38 PM
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This experiment proves women don't really understand men as much as they claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:36 PM
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They don't believe beautiful women are bad, in fact they see feminists as ugly and disgusting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:30 PM
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A lot of men who struggle with dating need to believe that popular men are bad people, and women who find popular men attractive are being mistreated or cheated on. That is true, yet that does not dismiss the fact that women have no problem dating bad men as long as they are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:30 PM
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I agree that being happy in your own skin is very attractive, but let's be honest: that will not make you a chad nor automatically make you more attractive than, say, the men women actually date. My issue here is that people keep trying to shift blame on the personality of the guy, when the personality may as well be a development on rejection received.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:28 PM
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To be fair, men don't need as much a safety net as women. Most of society is made to protect and help women and children, no one cares about male homelessness or addiction, so it makes sense for men to not be so reliant on a social net that is not for them anyway. Taking such risk of investing in one person is necessary for men to get a partner, as women don't expect any less from men putting most attention and resources on them. In any case, women are complaining for men doing exactly what wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:09 PM
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It seems women rely way more on an infrastructure and system than men do, also on a social life, to compensate for relying less on a husband or family. Nothing wrong with that, tho. It is better for women to rely on a system than on one man or family. I'm just saying that such independence seems to be a tradeoff. For men it seems the better side of the stick is to rely one one main relationship. Such thing may fail, but they can usually get another partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:02 PM
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My understanding is that successful women expect to marry even more successful men, but those are low supply and those men rather choose younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:51 PM
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Agreed, but that seems to be a compensation for relying too much on men. Same as supporting local businesses because we buy too much on Walmart. No one boycotts products that no one uses anyway. But who knows, maybe you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:50 PM
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I'm just pointing out that the solo life is often compensated by a social and economic infrastructure to compensate for it, and that structure depends on the other gender too. Just as a retiree relies on the state even being independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:39 PM
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Sexually? I agree women need men less. On almost everything else? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:37 PM
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Men have often no problem with cohabitation or long term gf, though. It is often women who ask for a useless contract between them. https://relationshipsinamerica.com/why-women-want-to-get-married-more-than-men/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:36 PM
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Hint: Your mind is probably damaged anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:30 PM
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Why dismiss morality so selectively? Clearly if you dismiss morality for a thing then you can for another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:29 PM
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My claim is based on the fact that women claim men put women on a pedestal by watching porn or relying on prostitutes, so you can generalize that to other jobs (sex work is work as any other) and see that women still rely on men as a class too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:25 PM
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My point is that such thing would probably never be given to women, even women who have same struggles because trauma or being extremely obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:24 PM
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If they are so desperate for sex, then sex will override morality I'm sure some rapist used that shitty excuse somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:20 PM
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I mean, you can as well suggest the same for older undesirable women and rap*ed women, but you will be hated for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:18 PM
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You are still assuming it is a fault of the personality rather than just bad luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:18 PM
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So far it seems only women push for shit like marriage, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:17 PM
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Sexually and romantically women are interested in fewer men but they still are. In any case, most women are very interested in what men can provide to the point they marry men they don't like, so in a sense women are needy on resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:16 PM
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Porn is also good enough for men with low libido like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:15 PM
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The problem with Elliot is that he actually cared too much about women. The key here is for those men to really care zero about women if women are not interested in them. This is a perfectly reasonable response to any group that oppresses you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:13 PM
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People may get mad at this, but it is a reasonable conclusion. Women also want to punish all men for what a few do, so it makes sense for men to do the same to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:13 PM
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There are certain things the brain needs to be happy, due to the way male social structures are set up, they're not getting the level of connection they'd need outside of romantic relationships. Men just don't give that to one another. It won't change. Not long ago, gentlemen and male only clubs were common, but women fought to dismantle them. They also used some rumors of "rape" excuse to dismantle them in many colleges. Women also complain that men play videogames, and yet that is a very valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:11 PM
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Realistically, what else can you do though? This is the real question. People who make these posts don't really give any alternative. There are ways to accept your reality and be somehow in peace with it, even if it is way less than ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:09 PM
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To be fair, women are told the same to "decentralize men" or some shit, even when they know very well they need eventually to call a plumber that is almost certainly a male, proving they still rely on men by proxy. It is even funnier when women rather load their father or friends with tasks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:07 PM
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Pay the least taxes you can, be as independent of society as possible (we are aware we cannot be 100% isolationists) or better even rely on welfare, don't work if you don't have to, don't support any form of activism (as you are not included in any protected group either), work under the table if you can, etc. No need to do anything criminal. In fact you don't have to be a load to your family, as you can still help them and clean after yourself. But don't create any kind of surplus for the state…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:05 PM
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Well, they can always choose to play the white knight feminist sex-positive redditor. They will not get any relationships either anyway, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:01 PM
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Empathy and caring is natural in humans, but so is hate and resentment and transgression. Human can be selfish and when they go to work every day they do it for mostly selfish reasons, not for "good will" to society. BTW, being selfish does not mean intentionally hurting others either. Women complain that "men don't form social connections with other men" and yet hate when their husbands play video games with friends, or they invade male spaces or even use the law to discourage them in colleges.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:58 PM
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I agree it is a coping mechanism, but it is not always from fear, but it may also be from genuine lacking of social capacity, such as being autistic or having deep trauma, or a terrible socialization that at some point it is too costly to change. There is nothing wrong with cope as long as the cope is not avoidance, but I'm sure most people who rely on those mechanisms have a good reason to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:52 PM
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That is a way to see it, probably rooted in Christian culture of service (even though it is now a moral attitude)... but most people are not that empathic, specially if others get for existing what they cannot get by even trying 10x harder. It makes sense some people, especially men, grow to be resentful as they are expected to give and almost nothing is given back to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:23 PM
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I kind of agree with that. The only chances I had to get close to a woman were when I was not even thinking about relationships. But I admit I have it easier because my libido is low.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:57 PM
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I disagree. Women naturally must be picky because pregnancy is a high investment. I don't judge women for being too picky, I do condemn many of their delusional expectations, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:56 PM
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Why should anyone look for the well being of society by producing a surplus, if there is no investment from them? You may as well go full selfish and let society rot (as they did not give you a chance and they will let you rot in a nursing home anyway). That can be a satisfying revenge to go ahead and do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:46 PM
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But if that option is not available, does it really make sense to keep trying?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:44 PM
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In theory I agree, but it is way harder than people assume. Not everyone can become a monk or be happy without a partner and family, as it is a core goal for many, even many who don't recognize it as such. I now get why people use drugs and unalive themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:44 PM
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No - “being happy alone” means convincing yourself that the grapes are sour and you don’t really want them. Only if you are bluepilled, but you may as well recognize your social position and focus on something else to be happy or at least in peace. Easy? No, but that is not denying reality, but executing a contingency plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:41 PM
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If it does not apply to them, why do they care what men say about single moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:40 PM
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It is not that people hate single moms for being single moms, it is the implications: They are often looking for a daddy for their children, even when they do have a dad. They may be dating new guys while children are toddlers, which is dangerous. They often choose terrible men as fathers of their children and then expect a "good man" to take care of them. Single mom still have plenty of options for men at their level, yet they feel entitled to men without children, rich, and handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:33 PM
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Not saying that can be fixed, but you may want to try mushrooms or some antipsychotics. I know it is not legal in most of US, but it may be worth give them a chance as they are not addictive. Who knows, maybe you can at least taste how it is like to be more neurotypical. Alcohol also helps some people on that. In any case, the best you (and anyone) can do is find a way to reduce importance to what we lack and set our worth on stuff we do have. There is no other fair way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:23 PM
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Maybe? Dating is a very emotional topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:19 PM
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Not all issues can be worked out, though. As mentioned, you may have trauma or unchangable personality traits that are not favored by the dating culture. Now, you can make a mask and maybe get some success, but it is really worth it to sell yourself as someone you are not? Ironically, being fat can be "worked out" yet men are often shamed or criticized for not wanting fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:36 PM
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Maybe it is autism? I have a similar experience but not as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:34 PM
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They are victims of circumstances, and you are denying their experience or shifting responsibility to them even if it is caused by traits or trauma that they cannot control. Same as blaming someone of a disability. Sure, not as fundamental as that, but being unloved and hated for how you look or act, without you even choosing any of that, can affect your quality of life, chances at work, etc. So yes, it is victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:31 PM
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I agree it is an overused term, but it is true women are claiming delusional things about the sexuality and attractive of men, and trying to deny their experience and struggles, denying reality (hence, gaslighting). Why do women do this? I guess it is victim blaming. Not different from men telling women to smile or dress better or talk to them, but men are actually called out for it even in pop songs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:28 PM
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It's a tradeoff. The least attractive you are, the more social skills you need to compensate, and vice versa. Attractive guys do get attention and women make it easier for them, but they have to get the signs and if they don't they miss. If you are socially inept, then you will not get the sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:19 PM
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Asking women out makes me feel like a beggar. I seriously would rather masturbate than humiliate myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:17 PM
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Agreed. They shall enjoy what women and attractive men got for just existing. Those men also should enjoy younger partners if they can get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:14 PM
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They also want the state to pay and intervene, and other men to rescue them from the hell they have chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:12 PM
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Most men want to be treated like a normal person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:10 PM
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If they are social pariah for a thing, it makes sense they don't have much to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:06 PM
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Emotional awareness =/= emotional intelligence In fact, during emergencies or harsh times it makes more sense to be more rational than emotional, and men are great on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:05 PM
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Men are emotionally intelligent in the sense they don't let emotions take over reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:05 PM
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Many women think like you, but they are labeled "pick me girls" if they say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:04 PM
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I'm not sure why incels try to recover. They want incels to keep paying taxes by pursuing a delusion. Sorry, but if I cannot get the partner I want and the life quality I want, I will sabotage the system for that and rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:47 PM
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You are right, you are not gaslighting as much as victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:44 PM
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short men, bald men, fat men, poor men find success by just being fun and interesting and social Nah, they usually just started dating in High School and created a social inertia that continues even after divorce. After HS or college, it is unlikely for that kind of men to get any partner even at their looks level. Women love to gaslight men about this, but women are just as visual as men and way pickier. Beside, you just not "become social". Personality traits such as Neuroticism cannot be chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:43 PM
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Reasonably view and reality-based. God bless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:40 PM
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Agreed, in fact some would argue that you can be happy without a partner but not without some friends. In any case, in most environments, friends are probably more easier to make than getting the right partner, so it is a good and reasonable cope if you are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:24 PM
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Because I don't want to raise a child from a random drug addict. I want a child with my DNA, that looks like me, and is connected to my family. I don't want a pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:21 PM
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Gold-diggers are glorified prostitutes, not women who expect men to contribute their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:20 PM
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That still does not invalidate wanting a legacy. I don't want to raise the child taken away from a drug addict, I want my own, with my DNA and traits. There is nothing wrong with that. Obviously you will find your child more important personally than any random human in the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:19 PM
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Just because fathers often care about kids in a different way that mothers do, it does not mean their contribution is any less important. Fathers often have to do very hard works or work way more hours just for their family to have quality of life, and this is not new or unique to any economic system. All those things you mentioned require an income and an environment that men are encouraged to pay for and care for, and men show their love and care that way. This dynamic is more obvious in birds…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:26 PM
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If that is the case I would say it is not by much, and women have stronger opinions on pregnancy and kids, probably because they take the most risks physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:23 PM
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What's wrong with wanting a legacy? You don't need rational reasons to want to be a parent, just as you don't need rational reasons to do what you love, choose a weird career or hobby, etc. Ironic that the same generation that push people to "follow their passion" is so eager to invalidate the desire of people to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:21 PM
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Just as women, men way or may not want children, but there is a key difference: Most Men don't really have strong opinions about it. Why? I guess it is because women romanticize parenthood more than men, men have more time than women, and men have no risks in pregnancy as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:20 PM
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Men are more free to exist outside traditional gender norms than at any other time in history. That is a direct result of feminism fighting for that for women. That is not necessarily positive, except for a minority that is not comfortable with gender roles associated to their gender. In any case, it is technology that made sexes less relevant because women can use machinery or power tools too, so body strength is not as relevant anymore, but this development seems to be more organic than the pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:13 PM
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Do women not give their lives in war? Not by close, and yet they vote for policy and politicians who do want even to force men to die for their wars. Think about how unfair it is if it was about race, if it was white politicians sending every other person to war or at least ask them to be available for such thing (selective service) and yet you get no leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:45 PM
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Do you ever have conversations with people? Have you ever liked anything about women other than their appearance? What conversation can men have with most women that they cannot get with male friends? Most men don't ignore women, while women do ignore guys way more. Truth is that most topics women prefer are boring for most men, and that is OK, most women also don't like stuff men like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:43 PM
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I mean, most incels don't get anything from admitting it. What? Sympathy? Clearly not. Love? Nah, just petty and worse reputation. If there is something worse than zero reputation it is negative reputation (creep). Women always tell men to express their emotions and yet that serves men on absolutely nothing. It changes everything at best and at worse it may actually make you look even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:40 PM
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It is ideal to have someone you desire and also love and likes you, but it may not be an option for many men, so they have to find love in other ways (friends, family) and sex in others (sex workers). The sex workers also get benefit, they get money and they have their own partners. You can be very likable and yet that does not make you a sexual option for women, although if you are attractive it may actually multiply your options. Beside, there are people who don't need to feel "liked" just to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:37 PM
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Only case I would imagine is if the guy is literally autistic or is in drugs / drunk. But yes, fat women can get an average looking man if they want for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:35 PM
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Most fat women you find in the streets already have less-than-attractive men. Unattractive people obviously find each other eventually, if they are rational and keep lowering standards just enough to not be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:34 PM
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It is not just good looks, but think about how hard it is for men to have sex with someone that weights more than the woman, and yet she expects you to handle the activity and move her around. Not easy, not fun... unless he has a fetisch. I would not be rude to fat women, but truth is that women are very rude even for men who are not the right race or height, and yet women can control their weight and men cannot control those characteristics. Nothing wrong with preferences from any side, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:32 PM
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Why is it men's job to pay excess of taxes and even give their own lives in war to protect women? Kind of unfair if we have equal voting power and yet men are forced to do that shit and men benefit less of the system they pay for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:26 PM
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Usually people who claim "being single is great" are women, and they are not necessarily happy if they need to promote it so hard. Like, ok, who asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:25 PM
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I honestly doubt it. I sure get the movements of workers and unions and regulations and new tools, which usually is also allied with feminism and progressivism and safety, but feminism? Feminism also seems to have its own divisions, such as pro-porn feminists, anti-porn feminists, terfs, pro-prostitution, anti-prostitution, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:24 PM
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They still care more than the government and women, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:28 PM
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What if it is porn made legally with professionals?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:28 PM
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That is what women seek, as proven by their preferences in apps, reasons to marry and divorce, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:33 PM
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SA by female teachers is less likely to be reported or taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:43 PM
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Maybe it is for the best. Those who choose natural will continue on. Hopefully their children will not be forced to pay taxes for terminally online old childless porn addicts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:37 PM
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Porn is entertainment, though. It will never go away, no matter if it is used to abuse people, just as we buy trash from Asian countries made by slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:36 PM
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Women are more likely to watch violent porn and ask for it too. Women don't realize how little men need to be happy in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:34 PM
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Row v. Wade was never a solid case to start with. Congress had literally over half a century, and Democrats had full power in those years, to make federal law on Abortion. They didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:33 PM
1

So true and sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:31 PM
2

Redditors are just repeating stuff about Project 2025 without even reading it to fact check.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:31 PM
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Trump never favored Project 2025 and Porn bans have been proposed by both the Right (religious) and the Left (feminists) since ever. AI porn will finally bury any natural beauty standards forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:29 PM
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Not only bodyguards, but handymen and higher earners. Most common cause of women starting a divorce is men losing jobs or earning way less than them, and yet outside of that they want "equality", which is kind of inconsistent and unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:23 PM
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Sadly, usually the same conservative traits those men have is what makes them more attractive to the bulk of women. Those values are not really imposed... they raise because that is what women value in men. Sure, a violent man may beat them, and yet he may also be able to defend her better. A morally questionable man may make side money with a shady business, and yet more money means higher quality of life, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:28 PM
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In the West usually men are seen as the carriers of the Last Name and family leaders. Even women prefer men that would take that role. But there is a price: Men have to earn it, pay all dating, take all final legal and moral responsibility, etc. Even in "egalitarian" societies men still cannot choose paper abortion or give to adoption, but women can. So yes, men get a preferential treatment but it is quickly taken away and turned against them if they don't follow those roles and responsibilities…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:15 PM
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That is very sad, but generalizing and demonizing half the population is just a form of cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:12 PM
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Children are not yet socialized so the tend to naturally respect stronger people who they find authoritative. Complain to God.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:10 PM
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It is a weird dynamic. It does seem that many moms do love sons more (see "boys mom" trend) and precisely that is why they ask more for them, such as masculine stereotypes as "not crying".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:08 PM
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I think the issue is also that many people assume men are pervs and don't want them around children. So far it is mostly female teachers abusing children, but if a male teacher does it it is no longer a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:05 PM
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I mean, no matter how slutty a woman is, she can still get a partner... just not the kind of guy that causes envy to other girls, but she still can. So no sympathy for them, as men have it way worse, zero options and having to put all effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:22 PM
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You need both genders, but for different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:20 PM
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Mix gendered groups are inherently unstable. Couples form, jealously, people moving on, etc. They only make sense in college or in clubs or so. Ideally the social center of your life must be family.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:19 PM
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I'm just using your same flawed logic on something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:17 PM
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Agreed, but women often moralize it. "You are undesired because you think women are trash" or "you don't deserve sex because you hate women" or stuff like that. All that is a moralization, given the fact many of those men are simps and put women on a pedestal, they don't hate them. Meanwhile plenty of men who date and have partners treat them as trash and yet they still get sex and relationships. So I agree it shall not be a moral issue, but women often moralize it to not look shallow. Men are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:07 PM
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What bothers me the most is that then a new war in Ukraine or Israel starts and then men are now expected to be patriotic and masculine again to the point we force them to register for selective service... after telling them that all that was toxic and evil, that all violence and masculinity is bad, etc. Suddenly both biological genders exist again LOL. It pisses me off that society is so entitled to male labor after discouraging maleness and masculinity and taking away all incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:32 PM
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Women who lose dignity are not less desirable sexually, just not as partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:18 PM
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I never claimed you were, but generally. Almost half people in America are obese or overwheight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:16 PM
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I mean generally, not specifically what you say. Women need to justify those men being less desirable as just "being bad" or "stupid" or "evil" because otherwise they look shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:15 PM
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You need to open legs to get pregnant. Don't pretend it is only men causing the problem, if women are willing to have sex and birth children of irresponsible men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:14 PM
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It does not matter how bad those men treat those women, those women still get dick anyway. They are just asking for not being called out for their terrible dating decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:11 PM
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"If women were really scared about SA, they would not go outside"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:10 PM
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Friendships need time and resource as a relationship, and yet only a limited return from what you get from actually dating. Also dating someone in your friend circle is risky. You can lose a friend or make some enemies just by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:09 PM
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Ok, but what men get from female friendship they don't get from male friendship? Certainly not sex, and certainly female friends expect men often to pay or defend them for what? Just they majesty of their female presence? On women introducing men to single friends, they rather present their fat ugly male hating friend as a viable romantic option. Not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:07 PM
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It is not low cost to invest all time and resources in women that are not that into you anyway. In fact, you are reducing your resources and time in women that will choose other men, and you are breeding resentment in you. But women already know this. Sure, there are simps and gay friends, but most actual heterosexual men know it is a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:05 PM
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Then women complain why do men don't want actual friendships with them. Because men are expected to give everything and pay stuff as if they were a boyfriend, yet they get nothing back. That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:03 PM
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Except for religious communities, what is a social group today? Some random people with just two or more activities or topics in common?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:02 PM
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Men are individually disposable, but collectively they are way more important than women for civilization to exist. A society needs a X amount of men working and caring for women to function, but individually they are replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:00 PM
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Women pretend to be indifferent to men to not look needy or slutty, but when the opportunity arises they have no empathy for the friend they stole the husband from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:58 PM
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Most of my suffering disappear when I started taking Zoloft. It did not make me happier but killed my libido, so at least I'm free from biology in that aspect, and from people who use that need to manipulate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:55 PM
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That is the problem: We all need love and social acceptance, but we are not entitled to it. I understand the need but I also understand you cannot force people to love or accept others, so we are stuck. Imagine living in a society that puts sex and social credit on a pedestal and you are treated as subhuman for not getting any of that. That is the life of most single men and some very shy women. Even if you are selfish and don't care about them at all, remember: These people will have no moral o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:54 PM
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OnlyFans is a saturated market. 90% of women don't make any significant money there, and actually lose dignity in the process, making them being less attractive to valuable men. Women are complaining that men don't put much effort anymore. I wonder if the reason is porn... sure, men want relationships and love, but they can get an orgasm easily with porn. That kills romance because they are not as desperate short term (although they are desperate long term, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:50 PM
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You are probably being sarcastic, but let's be fair: If you get nothing trying, why keep trying? You are only feeding their ego. Men who are attractive also don't even have to try that much, so only losers are giving women attention and favors for free. If you are not getting anything from that anyway, why even try? Let women call the men they fuck for help or their fathers or exs, or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:47 PM
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And I agree, men should avoid that along with simping, orbiting or pretending to be friends while hiding further motives. Starve the beast and reserve your attention for those worthy, never let anyone tread on your dignity. Most sexless men are kind of like that already. They are not simps and know it is pointless to do that just be be friendzoned. That is the complain women have that men are no longer "gentlemen" or "seeking" even when they are open to relationships, men feel humiliated by just…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:46 PM
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Fake orgasms are a thing, and men can be too focused on their own pleasure. Beside, women may enjoy it or not depending on their "days" or "hormones" or some shit. Women love to talk about cOmMunICaTiOn and yet don't communicate their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:22 PM
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Men aren't generally just having sex once then getting dumped because they suck. Many of them are not even getting dates to begin with. This advice is pointless. This victim blaming is a justification women make for their own privilege. Otherwise they would have to admit they are privileged. Same when they say that men make a "big deal" about this, and yet they get very angry when men also express their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:18 PM
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Women often expect men to read their minds. Men cannot know if you are fully enjoying the kind of sex both are having. Just tell them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:17 PM
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It's a tradeoff and it feel too... niche. I want her to fuck me, cook, clean and do my bed. Somehow that is a bad requirement, and yet it is simpler than all those things you ask. Edit: A lot of women that like male stuff are also too manly, unattractive or desperate for approval of the guy. That is not always a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:14 PM
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I need someone come cycle, run, hike, climb, swim, ski, camp with me I need someone able to talk art, music, history, poetry, sciences, politics and a lot more I need someone to do rough traveling with me Just get a bro. You are asking for too much from a partner, and they will resent you for it. God bless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:11 PM
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Devout Christians even find partners earlier than others and have more children than average, so yes, they fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:09 PM
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That "ambition" thing is just a capitalistic indoctrination to get productive citizens that can be easily be replaced in like a week. There is nothing wrong with being perfectly fine and happy in your own home, your own family and a simple but stable job. In fact, I would say that is the most stable form of life we can have in the West still. On obesity, well, they all get fat anyway, with children or not, in the city or the country. It is the sad reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:03 PM
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I never even suggested leftists are the only ones with double standards. Both parties exist precisely because they are alliances between upper and lower classes. Republicans are not just conservatives, there are libertarians, centrists and pro-capitalists. Democrats also are not just leftists, almost all minorities that democrats put on a pedestal are culturally conservative: older black people, Catholic Hispanics, etc. while whites there are supposed to be Progressive. That is why I usually don…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 05:35 PM
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Poverty measured by income has its merits, but having assets such as your own home or land can compensate for lower income. I mention inequality because women often date richer men, not men their level or lower, so richer men in cities have leverage over women. On poverty and politics, Progressives believe in Schrödinger conservatives: Somehow they are more privileged, and also they are poorer. Considering that also the poorest and most criminal and minorities blacks and Hispanic minorities vote…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:47 PM
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Not sexually, but most women are not dating material, and that is OK! Most men are not either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:13 PM
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I can think of a few reasons why do so many men hate single moms: Many single moms are not just looking for a partner, but also for a father for their kids. This is terrible as those kids have their own father and this is unfair to men they date. Many single moms never admit they did a mistake with having a kid with terrible or irresponsible men. They rather blame men as a whole than take at least half of the responsibility. Single moms usually date for what men can give rather than love or care…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:11 PM
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Cities have way more economic inequality, so you may have an advantage if you are in a High or Middle class, but honestly I don't see it if most of your salary is spent on rent. Beside, that may motivate people to only find a relationship for financial reasons, which may be problematic for the relationship, and having to live with roommates or family may also not be beneficial for romantic life. My point is that if you are attractive you can be the most attractive man a few miles around in a sma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:06 PM
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I wonder if the idea of transgender people still holds in these studies. Do they really have a brain of the other gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:44 PM
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Yet women also claim that men help their cheating male friends. Are men really empathic to each other or not? I only read contradictory statements from women here. Most likely answer is that men are empathic to other men but not in the same way women are. I would say women are more emotionally empathic to other women, but men are more socially empathic to men. At the end, who is most likely to help me if the car breaks down? If you are a woman, mostly men. If you are a man, almost always will me…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:43 PM
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Yeah, less competition in small towns, but to be fair there are also way fewer options. I guess these factors balance each other. Maybe people born in cities will do better there and people born in towns will do better in local towns because they are naturalized there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:39 PM
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Pro-choicers and childfree creeps love to call a fetus a parasite, and yet they vote for progressive policy that relies of sucking resources from other people's families by taxes and supposedly fighting their privilege or some shit. All the systems and entitlements Progressives supports are indeed paid by healthy population and younger people being born. So yes, I'm using the word parasite because people like you started using it. Of course, it is a projection of your own parasitism. In the past…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:38 PM
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Yeah, it is not easy to integrate to a smaller community. I guess you have to live a good amount of years in a community, or marry someone there, to start being considered part of it, so it is not as easy as just moving to one. I'm not exactly White, I'm hispanic, but I pass as white and I have slightly conservative views, so I may enjoy some of their privileges and superficially understand their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:30 PM
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There is an interesting dynamic of Europe that when a threshold of low population is reached, everyone leaves. That is why we have some overwhelmed Italian cities, and yet some abandoned towns. Americans are more individualistic in this aspect and don't care about living in small towns, but that strategy also has its own disadvantages... imagine having all your community you love in town, but not close access to hospitals and clinical labs as you get old and dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:27 PM
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Considering that so many things are subsidized in the West, from useless college degrees to dying industries, and pointless Ukranian or Middle East Israeli wars, I would not use that argument against suburbia. Not to mention that richest tax paying people have actually moved to rich suburbia and cities are almost exclusively economic centers and abandoned buildings by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:25 PM
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Agreed. I would add that also helps to be part of a subculture or minority in the city. You get the benefit of the city but with the social support and cultural identity of your group. No wonder why Hispanic, Hasidic Jews, Hindus. and other minorities often do better in big cities than majorities, having more kids and family businesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:22 PM
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I don't experience competition. I date men I like (I'm not exclusive without a talk). If he's dating other women that's not a concern of mine. I am not competing for him. His company is either enjoyable to me or not. I was talking from a more male perspective, but let's be fair: women have it easier everywhere anyway. Men you date dating other women may not be your concern, but if there is an expectation of exclusivity, as most people eventually want, that can be an issue. But yes, "advantages" …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:14 PM
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Usually there are tradeoffs. Sure, more options, but also way more competition and higher expectations. More money but also more expenses, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:10 PM
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😭
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:08 PM
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People sometimes like diversity, and honestly I don't think city women are any better on gossip, but yeah, leaving the small town can be a fresh start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 02:07 PM
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I get your point, but also cities may have more competition for those men. There is more supply in cities, but also more demand. My main concern about cities is the obfuscation and opacity of background information of some people. Sure, a person living in the country may have a double life, but in the cities it is way easier to live such life with no consequences. You can cheat, be abusive, etc. and yet find another person at the other side of the city and repeat the cycle enough. This is the pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:29 PM
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It makes sense. No need to meet your partner's family or friends if you already knew them since childhood anyway. I guess that accelerates the dating process or eases the background check.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:24 PM
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I guess women in cities who want a partner have to be like that, because they have way more options, so they can be picky. I also suspect men in those cities will also get "practice gfs" because if they are attractive enough they can easily get another woman in the city with few social and moral consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:22 PM
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That is true, but considering that women are so privileged and put on a pedestal in society, and considering that they can easily get sex, a partner and have children... and yet they find a way to be miserable anyway, says a lot about women. On failed men, they don't have much issues ending their lives and they don't see it as a tragedy more than their own sad lives. Taking pills is just an escape from the reality they live and honestly there is not much point of keeping such life around.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:17 PM
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I mean, not everyone is dating for a relationship, sometimes it is just for sex and fun, so you are right... those disadvantages may be advantages for some people. Not for me, but for many people just having sex with strangers and taking the risk is exciting enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:15 PM
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IDK about suburbs, but many of our parents meet their partners and raised a family in suburbs. Maybe suburbs are not good anymore, probably because jobs becoming more and more urban and people have fewer kids overall (so less social engagement with other parents and families). My guess is that suburbs can easily switch from good to bad with quickly, with few demographic changes, but I may be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:14 PM
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I also wonder if there is an "ideal" population for a city to be balanced in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:11 PM
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I don't need to make it personal for lack of argument, as you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:42 PM
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Do they? Usually high value men spend more time in business or working to make the good money that got them to be high value in the first place. Other attractive men may also have children with other women, which means less time for each child compared to women. Just because they don't spend as much time with children it does not mean they don't care about them. They do, just in different ways to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:39 PM
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how’s it going for you? women lining up to have your baby, I presume..? We can start with not taxing family people to take care of old single parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:34 PM
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Height is partially genetics. We know for sure that Black Americans are way taller than Black Africans, and that South Koreans are taller than North Koreans, even when genetics may be similar or the same in those comparisons. People are also fatter today than when our parents were growing up. The excess of carbs and protein boost height, but also it may boost obesity and diabetes. Not to mention that today children may be treated with Height Growth hormone if they are not growing as expected, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:09 PM
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I guess that it is a natural response to "you don't deserve to reproduce with me". I mean, it sucks, so I understand it even it being illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:04 PM
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Environmental fearmongering is just a form of arrogance. If humans are not special for good they are not special for the bad either. No, Earth is not going away. Even if humans destroy 90% of species, Earth will go on as it did after other mass extinctions, and in this case humans are likely to survive as we thrived in deserts, savannah, forests, etc. I find it quite ironic and hypocritical that the anti-birth people also love taxes and progressive policy, which requires people to pay taxes to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:54 PM
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Height is affected by way more than genetics. Humans are way taller today not because sexual selection, but because better diet and hormonal treatments. Humans don't evolve that fast. I read somewhere that Lead may also make people taller, as experiments show it makes some animals taller. We don't know why, but it may be because it affect brain glands that produce hormones. The point is that height is way more than genetics. Observe that you only mentioned sexual selection traits, but those trai…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:49 PM
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Genetic diversity is already dangerously low in humans after the Ice Age depopulation. It is not just about genetic quality, but also genetic diversity. Beside, your wording may as well be used to justify genocide or forced sterilizations, so not cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:31 PM
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in my experience, single / childless women are much more at peace with their circumstances than men https://www.npwomenshealthcare.com/older-women-use-the-most-antidepressants-survey-finds/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:30 PM
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Why do you talk about "mean to be" as if it was about destiny or something? Sure, some people are too autistic, too insecure, too ugly to date, and yet there are exceptions to any of that. At the end we may just have bad luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:29 PM
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Top 20% men are criticized for having too high standards for relationships, but they can because they have options. Bottom 80% men are criticized for having too low standards for sex, but they can't have higher standards because they would have NO options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:16 PM
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I'm not judging blindly. I'm a software developer, we are like 6 programmers and only one have one child. About half of them are in relationships, though being single is very common for software developers I know. Meanwhile, 90% of women in the company have children and also most men outside of the department. Why is my department so different? It seems a correlation between computer jobs or engineering with usually some kind of autism or social awkwardness. Not enough to make your life socially…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:45 PM
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"I am the table" 🥴
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:33 PM
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Sure, women add drama to a man's life in exchange for a hole. Every other need, such as company or friendship, men can get elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:17 PM
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What again average women offer except drama and a hole?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:15 PM
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I disagree. Men are more "agnostic" about the idea of having kids. They usually don't have strong opinions of either having or not having them as women do, which makes sense because women take the most physical risk. Only exception is when you put the government there and make kids a legal / financial issue that the man has to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:00 PM
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Nerds usually don't have kids. A lot of those professionals have autistic traits that don't motivate them to have a family as most people, which is OK. Still, that does not make them socially valuable, in fact a lot of those careers you mentioned require them to sacrifice too much social time they could enjoy meeting higher quality people, improving themselves, etc. Personally I don't get the point of working so hard for just leaving all my wealth to the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:56 PM
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Isn't it a good thing that actually HVM are having kids? I think it is wonderful. Why would a HVM leave his heritage and contribution to no one? Why work so hard and do so many things to just be child free? In any case, such men would just work enough for themselves. Let's be honest... most "childfree" redditors are nerd losers, same as many of the "poly" trash people having sex with other trash people. If people can choose one one or very few high quality partners, they will... not just have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:54 PM
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Most men are OK with immature young women as long as they are hot. They can learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:50 PM
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If men have even slightly higher standards, most populations would be extinct by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:48 PM
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