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Unfortunately NATO parachuted Boris Johnson in at that point and read him the riot act, told him to fight till the last Ukrainian. At least the last Ukrainian man. Firm up this idiom a bit. What exactly played the role of the "riot act" here? What specific threat did Johnson use to force Zelenskyy to obey? Most importantly, what evidence do you have for literally any of this? Ask the people living in Crimea. Why don't you? I'd like to see you travel to Crimea to sincerely and openly solicit opin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/26 05:56 AM
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Firstly, bisexual women experience the most dv with 61% reporting it. 89.5% reported only male perpetrators. This means in the case of bisexual women they experienced more dv from men. That's bisexual women addressed, but the discussion is supposed to be about domestic violence against lesbian women, so let's turn to that. First we'll establish that 44% of lesbians reported having experienced domestic violence in their life which is higher than heterosexual women reported. Great! So we're talkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/26 04:01 AM
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they are very much the exception that proves the rule. I appreciate when people use this expression outside of the very limited context in which it isn't just bias-reaffirming nonsense (expressio unius est exclusio alterius or exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis), because it's a great signal that they aren't interested in using their brains and aren't worth listening to. Muting this. Enjoy the trenches of the gender wars.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 12:47 PM
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Women care about men as long as it doesn't require any effort Seeing braindead generalizations about women get nearly 50 upvotes on this sub is so fucking depressing. I thought the purpose of this group was to fight the stupidest aspects of contemporary feminism, not to emulate them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 11:44 PM
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Apology accepted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:53 AM
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I'm saying that you haven't provided any substance for anyone to engage with. If you want to dismiss that as "semantics," that's fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:46 AM
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I think I explained the reasons for my attitude in my (very short!) previous comment. It's a bad statement because it accommodates wildly different interpretations, from "some gay men are relatively less accepted in certain social circles" (obviously true, if not a huge understatement) to "nobody accepts gay men ever" (obviously not true), and most arguments that unfold are going to result from differences in our interpretations of the statement rather than from any disagreement on the actual su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:30 AM
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"Gay men aren't accepted" is the sort of nebulous, poorly-qualified statement that seems designed to start a (useless) argument. I would be inclined to downvote basically any claim like this on any issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:16 AM
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One of them ever since instantly makes a big show of acting uncomfortable and leaving whenever I come back in there I hope you go back in there a lot! I generally try to avoid being vindictive, but my day would be brightened a tiny bit knowing that my presence is an inconvenience to someone like this tbh. May her quads burn from how often she has to stand up to leave.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 04:52 PM
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I've seen so many posts from women on social media suggesting that Alex Pretti is a good model of positive (as opposed to toxic) masculinity because of how he sacrificed himself to protect a woman. Seriously, fire these women to Neptune. It's bad enough coming from men, but just imagine a person in any other context having the gall to say "the highest ideal to which members of another group can aspire entails being ready to die for the sake of members of my group."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 05:34 PM
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Yes, and it is subject to a lower sentencing guideline than rape except in the extreme circumstances where Category 1 harm threshold is met. Category 2 or 3 rape has a higher sentencing guideline than Category 2 or 3 CSAWC with penetration. Not sure I understand your point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 08:25 PM
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I just looked into this and the disparity in sentencing guidelines is much worse than I remembered: https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/rape https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/causing-a-person-to-engage-in-sexual-activity-without-consent/ Comparing Rape just to Causing Sexual Activity Without Consent (CSAWC) with penetration, harm categories and culpability levels are defined basically identically for both crimes, and Category 1 offences are subject to the same sentencing ranges…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 08:10 PM
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I recall that number being significantly lower than 38, but either way, the point stands that this issue of gendered rape laws isn't similar "across the western world." Many places have done better. EDIT: I just looked for secondary sources and found most all recent sources suggest the number of states with gendered rape laws is well below half. Can you provide a source for the "38" figure? And again, it's been years, but I do remember noting the broader breadth of "causing sexual activity witho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 06:31 PM
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Yes, this is what I was referring to, but as I recall, sentencing guidelines for "causing sexual activity without consent" vary slightly from those for rape in at least some circumstances. It's been a few years since I last checked, though. Also worth noting rape laws are similarly gendered across the western world This is not true. For example, Canada does not have any "rape" crime at all. It is all gender-neutral "sexual assault". I believe rape/sexual assault law is similarly non-gendered thr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 06:18 PM
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Sorry, dude. That's awful. You should know that criminal law in England and Wales (and probably in Scotland and NI as well) does also criminalize sexual assault without a penis, to a roughly similar degree as "rape by a penis" (though there are some limited circumstances where penalties available for "rape by a penis" are more severe, if I remember correctly). None of this is an excuse for their terrible legal definition of "rape" (which is still harmful, regardless of whether the penalties matc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 03:14 PM
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Very reasonable take. 5 is close to the upper limit for this excuse, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/25 01:29 AM
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Everyone knows what genocide is. Have you been online at all in the past year?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 03:37 PM
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Hey, I recognize your username from when you gave me a similar comment a while ago in a thread about Dobbs. Thanks for the moral support lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 01:38 PM
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Sorry, this comment is difficult to follow. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about "legal principles", but your first paragraph seems to concede my point, which is that acquittal on the criminal charges does not mean that the accusations were false. and also while its easy to just say "well we dont know what happened" This isn't just easy, it is correct. The criminal trial is (rightly) procedurally stacked in favour of protecting the interests of the accused, so we don't really learn enoug…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 01:19 PM
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I disagree that fairness demands symmetrical treatment of the accused and the accuser (and I think calling this a matter of "balance" is a bit of an equivocation), but I agree that the handling of the privacy and reputational interests of the accused was unfair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 09:06 PM
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When a person accuses someone else of robbing them or assaulting them, and there is no proof to substantiate the claim, wouldn't you say the claim is false? No, I would not call the claim "false" simply because it can't be substantiated (and especially not if it simply can't be substantiated to the extent necessary to discharge a burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt). This isn't a legal principle or some sort of opinion, it's just simple logic. "False" is not the logical complement of "prov…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 08:11 PM
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So you're saying that you're okay with these 5 innocent men's lives being ruined? No, obviously not. Point me to where I said that. There will always be millions of people (mostly women) that will never believe they are innocent simply because they were accused That's terrible, but it's irrelevant to determining whether her accusation was false.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 06:13 PM
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and the presumption of innocence? if there is reasonable doubt about an acussation that cant be taken as proof of anything, hence is false, thats kind of how it works, you know? No, that's not at all how this works. The presumption of innocence is a shield for the accused, not a sword to be turned against the accuser. The correct conclusion to draw here is that her accusation cannot be substantiated, but that's not the same as "false." She should also be presumed to be innocent of lying or makin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 05:03 PM
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To be fair, this Rikki Schlott can't be a "shitlib" if she isn't (and doesn't purport to be) a "lib". She literally writes for the New York Post. She's simply a shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 04:49 AM
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Agreed. Also, the naturally obvious response isn't always the best one from an advocacy standpoint.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 11:02 PM
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Upvoting you because you're right in principle that the response should be "yes and", but after years of disproportionate focus on MMIWG relative to MMIMB, it's only natural that responses will veer into "but" territory. "But" is just a more natural response than "yes and" when confronted with an absurdity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 06:23 PM
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I did a deep dive a few years ago on the 66%, 11% and 1% stats. From what I recall, some UN official was talking about the developing world and pulled those stats out of his her ass in the way that we all do from time to time, but it's been repeated in some corners as gospel ever since. EDIT: Lord, may this be the last time I ever post a link to the Washington Post. I can't read the whole thing, but Google shows the claim received "Four Pinnochios" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checke…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 10:54 PM
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Really? I just got here, and I don't see anyone else correcting your misconception about the prosecutor. Here's another new correction: I can't find any evidence that the victim's family ever said they thought he was innocent. They just didn't want him executed. If you don't want to continue this conversation, you're welcome to stop responding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/24 07:57 PM
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When the prosecutor and victim's family no longer believe so and tried to get the execution blocked... maybe you're just wrong Or maybe they are wrong? And what do you mean when you say "the prosecutor no longer believes so"? You do know you're not talking about the prosecutor who originally prosecuted him, right? You're talking about the DA (or "PA" I guess) who was elected decades after the trial, on a platform that included opposition to the death penalty. Also the state should not have the r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/24 07:50 PM
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I'm not sure I understand... what do you mean when you say that HALF of men cannot be raped? In any given jurisdiction, men can either be raped or they can't be. And in the UK, for example, ALL men can be raped. They just can't be raped by a person who doesn't have a penis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/24 03:29 AM
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Speaking of offputting, u/jessi387 basically said "I dislike how this guy contradicts himself" and you jumped down his throat with derision and weird accusations. Take a minute to read through the chain up to this point again. Do you think this was warranted? By the way, your comparison to Rosa Parks is ridiculous. Jessi's complaint had nothing to do with optics and everything to do with Reeves' message being muddled. Maybe you'd have a basis for comparison if Parks had qualified her protest wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 06:48 AM
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Rapists jumping from the bushes who have nothing better to do than stay in shadows until a lone woman passes, are the stuff of horror movies, and rare psychos. You have higher odds of getting rammed by a car on the sidewalk. See my first comment in this thread. Also, "rapists jumping from the bushes" focuses on only the most extreme examples. What about opportunistic attackers who just commit a quick assault and flee?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 11:09 PM
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is true of many male criminals, but "male criminals" aren't a monolith. Your mention of these criminals' preferred robbery targets suggests that we're not talking about the sort of criminals that these women are most concerned about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 04:53 PM
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You're actually not allowed to criticize my comment because I didn't ask you for that. I'm going to mute this now, which you also could have done 2 hours ago instead of angrily demanding that nobody express disagreement with you on a politically-oriented public forum. Have a good night.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 04:52 AM
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Damn, you'd think I killed your dog or something. Relax. You're entitled to criticize OP's post and I'm entitled to criticize your comment. If your skin is so thin that you think anybody here is "harassing" you, leave the internet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 03:30 AM
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As someone who wades into feminist spaces to correct misconceptions (politely and with mixed results), I feel a need to stay consistent and point out: One reason why women are not much more likely to be assaulted at night might be that women, on average, are more likely to view being alone at night as dangerous and are more likely to avoid it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 02:59 AM
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You cut to a bad chase, though, for all the reasons that OP and u/MelissaMiranti explained. There's obviously no way that OP was wading through the discursive trenches to call LWMAs "liars" at the ripe age of 12.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 02:58 AM
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How do you know what I saw him saying was in reference to any study and not his own clinical practice? "How do you know these hotdogs are pig ears and not squirrel shit?" This is worse. Expert opinion is at the bottom of the evidentiary pyramid for a reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 02:49 AM
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Like it's genuinely amazing to me that a clearly educated person could bring up Christianity, and question the very existence of patriarchy, in the same paragraph. The Catholic Church, for example, is proudly patriarchal. Hey, with all due respect, this is a nonsense argument, and I think the problem boils down to the vagueness of your claim that "patriarchy exists." Are you saying that our societies are broadly patriarchal, or just that you can point to one example of a patriarchy in the wild?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 04:08 AM
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They made actually decent and funny comics The only thing I knew her for was this unbelievably dumb comic, so I find this hard to believe. One commenter on that thread had her absolutely dead to rights: There are some people with a tendency to just post poorly researched rage bait to max engagement. ... The next step of the cycle is posting a 'woe is me, I got negative feedback on my political comic' comic. And lo and behold, that's exactly what she did next.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 12:08 AM
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Worst part is, one of their moderators is literally following me around Reddit constantly now, trying to force other subreddits That's just depressing, man. What a loser.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 11:56 PM
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I think the argument is that male-on-male violence doesn't demand the same focus because men are in a position of power to change the problems with masculinity that drive this pattern of disproportionately male-perpetrated violence. So when you're getting shanked in the kidney at a bus stop, just remember that you could have stopped this!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 05:24 AM
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Can you share a source for this? I'm curious to see it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 05:18 AM
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Hey, thanks!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/24 02:21 PM
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What? Why the quotes? Neither word appears at all in that post, except "respect" in the sense of "a particular aspect, point or detail." Neither word has appeared in this thread either. What are you talking about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/24 01:15 PM
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Fine, like men. Very dumb. Feminism is still (and will likely always be) necessary, it just isn't the whole answer. And there are certain causes and ideas within some popular forms of feminism that are bad. I don't know if there are some areas that need feminism more than others, but there are definitely some that need it less. Anything to do with women's educational outcomes, for one. The bottleneck on women's professional success is well downstream of education. Abortion? Yes. How to live thei…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/24 05:30 AM
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Yes. I had never seen her sexist stuff before. Just her obnoxious and cringe stuff. This is very on-brand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/24 03:33 AM
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Her comics are consistently dumb. She posted one a while ago that clearly mocked people who see value in the Canadian healthcare system, but then either couldn't admit or couldn't understand that that was what she'd done. It was baffling. Her sense of humor is about as subtle as a dump truck in a blender, but she STILL somehow fucks up the messaging.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/24 03:26 AM
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She also posted a dumb comic about the Canadian healthcare system a few months ago and genuinely struggled to understand the widespread criticism she got for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/24 03:22 AM
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As others have pointed out, I always knew as a boy that I was part of the "women and children" group, but I also knew that I would quickly age out of the group whose lives mattered, which pissed me off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/24 01:30 AM
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Honestly, this ruined the article for me. The rest of her message was generally great, but completely undercut by her suggestion that "the people who disagree with me about men having valid concerns worth hearing aren't that bad, actually." I'll take "man up" over "shut up" any fucking day of the week. EDIT: also For many boys, it can seem as though their emotions get dismissed by both sides. "It can seem" is an interesting choice of words. I'm really not seeing much reason to trust the intentio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 04:02 AM
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Can you explain where this "451%" figure comes from? Is this just a throwaway label for people who make hyperbolic claims, or do you have some particular analysis that shows certain people misrepresenting data in some way such that totals would add up to 451%?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/24 06:39 AM
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I can't name any Slovakian opera singers either, which seems just as relevant to the question of whether you should present Tate as a role model.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/24 02:36 AM
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Do we know the gender of the judges? I'd expect male judges would be more aware/sensitive to the problems male students are facing. I definitely disagree. Men, in general, don't have the sort of in-group bias that would cause this. That's not to say that women are better at looking out for men's interests. I just wouldn't be comfortable generalizing either way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/24 04:44 AM
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It might shock you but I'll let you in on a little secret - the majority of women don't base their life decisions on what men want. Not only is this not a "secret", it's basically his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:45 PM
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Yeah. There are a few instances where drawing nuanced parallels between misandry and anti-black racism is warranted, but generally, it's just weird to force a comparison to anti-black racism into any given conversation as a rhetorical point, and it's not going to convince anyone. By the way, any person who would pick a bear over a man would also pick a bear over a black man, because a black man is a man, so this little canned argument will fall apart immediately. And you won't very well be able …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 12:45 PM
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Most women cannot see the similarity because most women are completely incapable of accepting that men are human beings with human emotions. Do you really think this is true? I think this is pretty obviously both wrong and a harmful thing to say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 12:15 AM
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Out of the loop... can you share?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 09:56 PM
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Other stats, taken in isolation, prove to feminists that "women have it worse" and that men have "the upper hand in terms of social and political power", and that's all that many of them need to justify not giving a shit about men. Why can't we acknowledge that things are shit for everyone in different ways and strive to improve them without this completely unnuanced oppression Olympics? That in itself is a feminist talking point: that men are privileged to the extreme and women have no such pow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 08:09 PM
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Because they have the upper hand in terms of social and political power Are we the baddies feminists? Because we're definitely adopting one of their worst thought processes now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 05:13 PM
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In a sort of sad, utilitarian way, I think it would show more if men cared less. They're taken for granted. Two things. First, I never said anything about what would "show more," I'm talking about our moral responsibilities. Second, replace "men" with "women" and you've basically got an age-old feminist talking point. Which brings me back my point: you're just proposing a mirroring of some feminists' worst and most vindictive impulses. What I'm saying is that if men stopped doing what they were …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 06:12 AM
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Roe v. Wade was inarguably garbage, but it was important garbage. It was the crumpled soda can that held the roof up, and that soda can is now gone. Roe v. Wade is not abortion. Effectively, it was. When Roe v. Wade left, so did abortion rights in many places. I don't think anyone had any particular attachment to the RvW decision itself (in fact it was widely criticized in academic feminist circles). They were attached to the rights that it protected. But most people would have been perfectly fi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 05:57 AM
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Men are expected to care, women are not. I agree. Everyone should care, though. And trying to "flip the script" to correct a perceived imbalance is precisely the justification for feminist apathy about men's issues, misandry, etc. Why would we want to replicate that? Don't we agree that that's bad? But... they don't care even when you actively try to care... Some do. Some don't. It doesn't change whether you should care about them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 05:49 AM
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My apologies, I've argued with enough people who make the points that you're making as a matter of sincere belief that I mistook you as saying the same thing. If you just meant this as a bit of introspection about the flaws in your thinking, that's fair and I'm sorry. Without accusing you of this specifically, I will still just note that refusing to challenge these feelings, reflexive generalizations, etc. is bad. Experiences may shape our views, but they don't relieve us of our moral responsibi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 12:47 AM
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one way or another women have made me suffer for my pretty much my entire life, obviously none of them care Fantastic generalization. Take it to TRP or some shit, man. Why should I care about their problems when they don't care about mine? Why should they care about your problems when you don't care about theirs? But sure, go ahead and dig through centuries of gender grievances in search of the original sin. Spend a lifetime arguing about "who started it." Blame all women for your misogyny. Just…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 12:01 AM
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I don't think these people are necessarily "conservatives" so much as vindictive doomers. They're suffering, so they want women to suffer as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 11:17 PM
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I think he's talking more about the dismissal of women's issues than their erasure per se. I could definitely find you some examples. If you recognize my username, you'll know that some of those examples will be from your own comment history!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 11:13 PM
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I'm never going to let my ideology become so rigid it erases my empathy for others. Just wanted to emphasize this line. So well put. But, quite frankly, denying the validity of women's issues is in itself...misogynist. Yes, and anyone who excuses their misogyny due to misandry deserves to fall into a bitter, nasty, eternal fight with all the feminists who excuse their misandry due to misogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 03:13 AM
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Agreed. I hope this is still the dominant view on this sub and recently had reason to doubt that it is, so thanks for restoring a bit of my faith. Any pro-male movement that just mirrors the worst in feminist movements is not a movement that I'll have any part of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 03:01 AM
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Yeah, I had a protracted argument on this sub a few days ago with people arguing that we shouldn't give a shit about women's issues until things are better for men. Truly vindictive, childish nonsense. I thought that was a fringe position, but maybe this sub is slowly turning towards the trash. I hope not, though! I don't know any other sub with the same amount of level-headed discussion of gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 02:56 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any indication that he asked this at work or to a work colleague.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/24 08:25 PM
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you're using shaming tactics again. I'm not using "tactics" of any kind, and I certainly don't expect to "shame" you out of your view. I'm just describing what I see, and it's hard to ignore that this outlook is pretty shameful. Apathy is not a lack of compassion I disagree, but I really don't care for the semantics. If your "apathy" leads you to be unconcerned with the suffering of others (including women vis a vis their loss of bodily autonomy), that's a failure of compassion on your part. I b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 02:11 AM
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I can absolutely understand this, but I won't "respect" it. You have moral agency to do more than just stew in your resentment. And this isn't about compliance, it's about basic compassion. Do you think you deserve any more compassion than you're giving? Genuine question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 11:58 PM
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I am both frustrated and abjectly flabbergasted by these people who come here into a space dedicated to men's issues and bring up how we need to devote some of our time to women's causes. You sound confused more than anything else. I'm not the one who brought any of this up. I was responding to someone else who brought up how little they care about women's right to bodily autonomy. This is a space dedicated to men's issues, not a space dedicated to sharing shitty views about women's basic rights…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 11:47 PM
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I'm not discounting anything you're saying. I do think you're making a bit of a stretch to paint child support obligations as health/life-threatening in the same way that pregnancy is. And either way, I just think it's depraved to see the direct biological imposition of pregnancy on women and not think that lack of abortion access is an extremely pressing issue. The fact that they have the ability to screw fathers over post-birth has no bearing on how fucked it is that they've lost their right t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 08:51 PM
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Women have carte blanche to be hateful, misandrist and overall disgustingly hateful towards men and even male children, but if we are expected to be "better people" and not let ourselves fall into the same trap. Those women suck, but if you aren't a "better person" than someone who sucks, then you necessarily also suck. That's not an insult, it's just a conditional statement that flows from basic logic. There's nothing else to say. Congrats on being part of the problem and get well soon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 08:36 PM
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Me too. They'll never exist without women's abortion rights. Women's abortion rights are a logical predicate for paper/financial abortions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 03:54 AM
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This is a fantastic mirroring of misandrists' generalizations about the moral culpability of men. Well done, you deserve each other. I'll go tell my mother, girlfriend, sisters, friends, etc. about how bad they are for personally letting "toxic ideology" speak for them. Maybe if my sisters singlehandedly fix all the problems with feminism they might deserve access to abortions again!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 03:50 AM
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I don't even think it's right to have a vengeful attitude towards everyone who calls themselves a feminist. Agreed. I may not have been as consistent as I should have been, but I tried to use "misandrist" as the label for the antagonists here. But I've also become aware that even if abortion is illegal, women *still* have more reproductive rights than men. (...) If it were an issue where women were especially disadvantaged compared to men, I would be more concerned about addressing that. But it'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 03:45 AM
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You are very right that the group most supportive to these rights are incredibly hostile to men and even boys (...) Why then, do they deserve men's help in their time of need? This is exactly the fallacy that I pointed out in my last comment. The people treating us like shit are certain misandrist abortion advocates. The people who "deserve men's help in their time of need" are women. These two groups are different, even if the former defines itself by its concern for the latter, and even if the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/24 11:45 PM
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I've seen this sentiment a lot here lately, and I'm troubled by it. My concern is that this confuses abortion's most vocal advocates (feminists) with its beneficiaries (women). You're withholding support for abortion because the group most supportive of abortion rights is often hostile to men, and especially to men's reproductive rights and interests. But more than simply harming the advocacy goals of feminists, this harms the autonomy and safety of women. I hope you agree (because the alternati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/24 10:05 AM
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Scotland has the same issue. Not sure about NI.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/24 05:16 PM
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They get charged with other sexual assault offences which carry more lenient sentencing and can be suspended unlike rape sentences. This isn't entirely true. I wrote an in-depth response to this a while ago, but basically, if there is any difference, it's only through judicial discretion and in the official sentencing guide at the very very low-end, and there only when certain conditions are met (as far as I recall... though there may not be any difference in the sentencing guide at all). Otherw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/24 05:15 PM
2

I'm not American, so I"m not sure how much impact you'd expect from insurance differencs... but seems like it might be a factor. No, it can't explain the difference here, because the comparison was matched by insurance status.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/23 08:38 AM
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This is probably true to a degree, but not the whole story. Rabid religious fundamentalists also tend to have a bit of an aversion to Western education in general. Consider Boko Haram, whose name is often translated to "Western education is haram." They may translate the name differently, but it's a reasonable translation when you see their treatment of "Western" schools.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 11:14 PM
1

That sentiment, even if insincere, is one of nazi-level dehumanization. I understand what you're saying, I just wouldn't describe any sentiment as "nazi-level" if it isn't at least sincere. Nazi dehumanization was nothing if not sincere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/23 12:31 AM
0

What an upsetting development for the iconic American mainstay that is *checks notes* Butty Bizz? Busy Butz?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/23 06:00 AM
0

I agree that it's cringey and gross, even offensive, but I hope you realize that calling this "nazi-level shit" is a huge overstatement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/23 05:52 AM
2

Your reversal doesn't quite work, because I think the idea is that it's supposed to appeal to men's sub fetishes (at least on its face). That's why she opens with "you know why men love our drink? Because it's tested on men." Or something. I can't withstand the cringe necessary to replay it in order to confirm the exact wording. Either way, shitty ad. Kink-shame this shit all the way back into the bedroom.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/23 05:47 AM
6

they also experience discriminatory treatment based on their gender, in a variety of other contexts, for example, when they are coping with the enforced disappearance of their husband; when they are left to fend for themselves as widows I'll be charitable on this point - if you live in a country with widespread gender discrimination against women, widows will be particularly hard-hit. They will indeed "experience discriminatory treatment based on their gender" when "left to fend for themselves a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/23 02:18 PM
3

This is a very long comment, so apologies if I've misunderstood you, but you seem to be mistaken about the application of subsection 4(4). Yes, it could apply to a woman who penetrates a man, but it ALSO applies to a female perpetrator who forces a man to penetrate her vagina with his penis. This is captured under paragraph 4(4)(c) and she would therefore be subject to a maximum sentence of life in prison. Note that the "B" in those descriptions refers to the victim, and "a person" refers to the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/23 03:57 AM
6

Yeah. There might be a discussion to have about biases against men in how people interpret conflict in heterosexual relationships, but this meme isn't the way to launch that conversation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/23 02:44 AM
2

Ally Fogg is a dude, fyi
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 02:09 AM
1

It has happened at least once. Honestly though, great point. I had never thought of this before. It's definitely deeply gendered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 03:25 AM
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That's exactly the other commenter's point: Sounds like you agree with them more than you disagree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 11:22 PM
0

They are right that it's impossible to fully judge if we don't know what OP said. They are right that wife/daughter's response could seem mild if OP said something dumb or ignorant. They are right that your commitment to ending male advantage (which I guess you can call patriarchy if you want—I don't, but OP does, so w/e) shouldn't be contingent on the women around you being nice to you. And while I don't agree with his suggestion on how to react if his wife/daughter were being "rude", it's with…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 12:24 PM
1

Social, DOB and mom's maiden name would be a good start
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/23 11:29 PM
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First, men who are too high and too low in terms of self-value/self-esteem/confidence/etc. The former because it breeds a sense of entitlement and desire for control, and the latter because it breeds sociopathy and destructiveness. I have a theory that all these problems stem from the latter, not the former. The desire for control, and sometimes even an outward expression of narcissism and arrogance, comes from a place of insecurity and concern about what will happen if they don't exercise that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/23 04:23 PM
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Your feelings might be valid but stop being a pussy basically. I was going to give you a grudging upvote (because you were strictly right) until you swung to this deeply sexist bullshit that isn't even a good summary of your point. Why the fuck are you here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/23 04:07 PM
2

That's walking back and even light gaslighting regarding something that was clearly snark. While we're labelling stuff, this is called projection. Muting this now. Good night!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 11:48 PM
2

That is just as moot if having sex is the same as consenting to parenthood as is the case with men. No, it is not moot. I think you're confusing mootness with necessary implications or questions that you think are less dispositive. A question that is moot is a question whose answer can no longer have a bearing on the situation. "Should I let the cow out of the barn?" is moot once the cow is out of the barn. Regardless of your views on consent, "should she be allowed to terminate her pregnancy?" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 04:26 PM
3

Yea no, this sounds an awful lot like, :"Of course I don't want to force women into becoming pregnant. But after she had sex that point becomes moot as she chose to have sex and everyone knows you can become pregnant from having sex." Yes, whether she can be forced to BECOME pregnant is moot at that point because she has ALREADY BECOME pregnant. The relevant question at that point is whether she can be forced to CONTINUE being pregnant. I think the answer to both questions should be "no," but th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 03:06 PM
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Going back on what I said about replying to just make a couple of observations: Feel free to not continue the discussion. I'm not too impressed with you, either. There's no reason to get defensive or personal. I never said I wasn't "impressed" with you, I just don't think our values are sufficiently aligned to make conversation fruitful. In my view, the man should be able to request an abortion. And then, because it is her body, the woman has a right of refusal; but in that case, the man gets th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 02:59 PM
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It's the man's sperm so it should be 100% his choice on how, when and by whom that sperm can be used for procreation. I entirely agree... but once that sperm has been used, the right to control how sperm can be used is moot and certainly doesn't allow you to run roughshod over the other rights and interests that are created at that point. It's just like how abortion entails a right and ability to prevent birth, but is strictly moot after that birth has occurred. Having women make this decision f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 01:11 PM
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If men should have no say over an abortion decision, no choice at all, given how immensely important it is to their future... then it is not fair or just to say women should either. It's just too imbalanced. This sort of tit-for-tat approach to rights is wrong-headed, especially in the context of abortion where the pregnant person has such extraordinary interests at stake. Paper abortion proposals are a very reasonable attempt to give men as much control as possible over whether or not they have…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 12:53 PM
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What if they instead don't want a child because they do feel responsible for bringing a person into the world, and feel that child would have too rough a go of it? What's the solution that you'd propose for this issue, then? Are you suggesting men should ever have direct control over abortion decision-making? I don't see any other solution, and that solution is an absolute ethical non-starter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 04:57 AM
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Good point. Some women simply won't let a bit of misogyny get in the way of their misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 03:06 PM
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If men could put their dick in a hole in a tree and get even a shred of pleasure, they'd do it. It's flattering knowing men desire me. But then I remember a man would also have sex with a McChicken. So I don't let it get to my head. The silliest part of these comments is that women definitely fuck inanimate objects more often than men do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 07:14 AM
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You've bothered to comment that OC and these TwoX commenters shouldn't have bothered to comment. You're "policing" an exercise of free speech when you say that we shouldn't "police" exercises of free speech. This conversation is an intellectual wasteland. Let's not go there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 07:02 AM
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"Patriarchy" is real insofar as institutional power was held exclusively or near-exclusively by powerful men for a very long time (though social power doesn't begin and end in those institutions), and insofar as that has lingering effects in our societies today (though it certainly doesn't explain all gendered power dynamics today). "Male privilege" is real because there are many social advantages to being a man (though "female privilege" is just as real). Most of the other terms have a grain of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 05:00 AM
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Men’s workplace would be a nice subject but I don’t want to cover it. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I still have no clue what you intend to talk about. If you want to "tackle the argument of male death (in the) workplace" as you say in your original post, how do you intend to do this without talking about men's workplaces?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 03:36 AM
2

It's related, but not the same thing. What OP is describing here is a fallacy of reasoning based on a faulty assumption that the importance of an issue determines the attention given. Gamma bias is just one example that shows how this assumption doesn't hold.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/23 05:18 PM
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Godwin's Law is meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive. You don't actually have to "obey" it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:07 AM
12

If other socialist ideologies are superior to Marxism, then how come they didn’t have anywhere near the same level of success that Marxist regimes had? Well, you're singing the praises of a crumbled superpower right now, so maybe "survival of the fittest" isn't your strongest argument here. Plus they didn’t discriminate against colored people like the US did (there were quite a few Black Americans who immigrated to the USSR & found success compared to stateside). The vast majority of Soviet citi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:06 AM
2

Why wouldn't similar results be observed for race, class, etc. then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/23 12:42 AM
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Agreed. There are other studies that do a better job of demonstrating broad anti-male bias in society. Still, given that academic/activist circles that deny the existence of anti-male bias tend to hold IAT in high regard, I'm happy that this study is at least out in the aether for them to consider.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/23 12:42 AM
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It isn't hepocrisy, it's herarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/23 05:41 PM
2

A few problems: Getting paid more to do a given job is not the same as having an easier time in getting that job, or anything else that relates to "opportunities" to participate in labor. You're right that there is a (small) gender pay gap, but the research on gender discrimination in *hiring* is a lot more complicated. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, sees jury service as an "opportunity." It's assigned randomly, not through a competitive process, and more importantly, people generally look hard for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/23 11:52 PM
2

I've very familiar with the stats on pay disparities, but I don't see how that relates to being "given more opportunities", or especially being "viewed as being more suited to take social action." And I also don't understand how you expect to see this reflected in criminal court decisions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/23 10:13 PM
1

Men are given more opportunities and viewed as being more suited to take social action Can you explain what you mean by this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/23 08:07 PM
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No, they don't. That is as sexist as you claim the right is. Men can, do, and will stand up for one another but it isn't on the pure grounds of our sex as a connection. Can you explain what you're saying here? It sounds to me like you're dismissing as "sexist" the well-substantiated idea that women have a strong in-group bias and men don't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/23 06:23 PM
1

Women suffer more frequently from mental illnesses than men: they account for 15 percent of illnesses in women, compared with 13.9 percent in men. Jesus H Satan. Anyone who fucks up this sort of basic mathematical reasoning should be removed from adult society and shackled to a desk in a high school math class until they get it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/23 06:04 PM
2

When you say "the ones who creates the term," what do you mean? I don't see any evidence that OP has ever identified with the term, much less "created" it. It was created by men (actually a woman, but let's bend the facts as much as possible in favor of your point here) who are frustrated that they aren't having sex, and it's used to insult basically any man who makes anything resembling a complaint about anything vaguely feminist. There is a reason that it is applied so widely in a pejorative s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/23 05:38 PM
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Thank you for this truly incisive commentary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/23 06:20 PM
1

I disagree. Women may not hate on gay guys as overtly as some straight men do, but I doubt they're any less likely to perceive male hand-holding as same-sex-attraction, and that absolutely does shape many women's opinions of romantic suitability at the very least. Of course that's not a problem if a guy is actually gay, but I know bisexual guys who've seen their romantic success with women absolutely plummet when they signal their bisexuality in any way. I've also seen women openly admit to havi…
/r/MensRights30/12/22 02:57 PM
1

while I supported the government not controlling a woman's body...a father of that child I believe should co-sign on an abortion You just casually threw THIS into the discussion? Yeah, I can't POSSIBLY imagine why she broke the match. /s Most of the stuff you mention is legit (if sometimes a bit inartfully expressed), and then you drop an absolute bomb of "maybe women shouldn't have bodily autonomy" Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely pro-paper abortion. But giving men any direct control over actu…
/r/MensRights30/12/22 02:23 PM
1

Men are more capable of physical harm, but everyone is equally capable of violence. Yes, exactly. We need to recognize this, or else the fact that women suffer far more physical domestic violence injuries than men will continue to be used to prove that men commit much more domestic violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/22 02:57 PM
1

who can't be arsed to look after his health and exercise. I was going to say that the intended meaning of "large" here should be read in the context of the broader value judgement in the article—it's a derogatory comment, not just a neutral description of his physique. But then you sort of made my point for me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 12:41 PM
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I agree on the "red" part. He's just angry and shouty. Disagree on the "large" part.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 12:24 PM
3

Explain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 12:24 PM
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That's really not how that fallacy works. OC isn't using a "purity test" for a group in order to exclude an individual that would falsify their universal statement, they're just making a comment about the impacts of DEI and the behaviour of many of its proponents. And besides, even if they were using a purity test, political identities are so co-constructed (and political) that statements like "no true leftist would support X policy" often ring less like "no true Scotsman enjoys daisies" and mor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/22 02:59 PM
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OK, fair. Sorry if I came off as frustrated. And I can relate to your anguish about society holding men in contempt. Consider this a virtual hug.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 09:08 PM
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You haven't understood what I'm saying at all. I'm not actually making the claim that women DO, in fact, make choices based more on moral or environmental considerations. I'm simply saying that, IF they do, and if they eat less meat as a result, you could make a link between meat consumption and masculinity, regardless of whether men would directly associate their meat-eating with their masculinity. In other words, I'm just pointing out the flaw in No-Consideration6589's reasoning, not making an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 08:43 PM
0

Yes, we're talking about averages and tendency here, not universal absolutes, in the same way that the phrase "men are taller than women" doesn't mean literally every man on the planet is taller than every woman. EDIT: and we're also talking about women's dietary choices relative to men. I'm not suggesting women would generally place moral/environmental considerations above taste, I'm only saying that they may prioritize it more than men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 02:39 PM
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Not to give PETA any credit here, but this proves nothing. If women make dietary choices based more on moral or environmental considerations and less on taste preferences (at least relative to men), then meat consumption could be reasonably associated with masculinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/22 02:17 PM
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This is too long to grapple with in detail. Your views seem mostly fine, but here's the essence of the problem: - feminism does strive for an egalitarian world (even when accidentally making two steps back after a step forward) PS the duluth model sucks Your definition of "feminism" is aspirational, not observational. The Duluth model, for example, is not an "accident," and it's still widely upheld by the feminist mainstream. For what it's worth, I don't consider myself an "anti-feminist." I see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 02:34 PM
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Meanwhile, unpaid childcare (in the sense of simply supervising/playing with a child) probably is considered work. I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't be, but I know which of those two activities I would choose 9 times out of 10.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 02:10 PM
1

People have a right to exist without shit they don't want being forced into their space, be it physical or digital. I think this statement may lack a bit of nuance (which I think the other poster has acknowledged), but no, TwoX messages are not being "forced into your space"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/22 12:34 AM
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I never said otherwise. Men absolutely need to (and do) advocate for themselves, but I'll still celebrate any help we get from decent women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/22 04:48 PM
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Exhibit A for why we desperately need women to help with this shit. A woman is "very passionate and knowledgeable" (as I'm sure you are!) where a man would be mocked and dismissed. Thanks for fighting the good fight, Pink!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/22 04:27 PM
1

And 37% of people disagreeing with me is just another Friday. LMAO. Don't quote me on it, but I remember some survey suggested something like 1/4 Americans believe in angels. Not about to rearrange my worldview over it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 04:57 PM
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I disagree a bit with your 3rd point (the continuation of the US SSS signifies broad social support for male disposability, which I believe has awful effects even if they're only indirect), but I generally agree with your points and that nearly all of OP's arguments are extremely flimsy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 04:51 PM
1

Correct. I'll be honest, I don't think this is going to be fixed by any prescribed legal means. Still, vote + fuck shit up is all you can really do. EDIT: and my point is if we're looking for a method that would "stand the test of time" and "proof it against challenge" as the commenter above suggests, that would require nothing less than a constitutional amendment or a total constitutional overhaul.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/22 11:13 PM
1

I'm not sure there is a solution as neat and simple as a federal bill that will be both feasible and effective. If that's the strongest argument for the federal statutory option, it's a bad argument and a bad option. The most important thing at this point is probably just voting and various forms of resistance and social agitation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/22 02:25 AM
1

I said: I'm not sure how the weaknesses of Roe are relevant to the merits of a federal abortion rights bill. Clearly I recognize there are significant weaknesses with Roe and I'm not disagreeing with you on that or asking you to explain how Roe is weak. You keep trying to strawman me into a pro-Roe position here, when I'm just saying your proposed alternative wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on. EDIT: I also don't think your blanket description of attitudes towards judge-made law is accu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 08:48 PM
1

I'm not sure how the weaknesses of Roe are relevant to the merits of a federal abortion rights bill. And no, I'm saying, even assuming it passes constitutional muster, a decent reproductive rights bill at the federal level would have a shit shelf life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 08:38 PM
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That's not a good comparison. The ACA is an extremely complex piece of legislation, and public opinions on the ACA are far more nuanced. The GOP politically couldn't repeal the ACA without an alternative, and they couldn't agree on the preferred alternative system. Abortion is such a cliche mobilizing issue for the GOP that it's consistently been one of the 3 pillars of their campaign strategy for about half a century. I guarantee the GOP base would not press the party to propose a new bill to r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 08:25 PM
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No, it wouldn't. Even if it withstood constitutional challenge, Congress would repeal the law within 10-20 years at most. In order to "stand the test of time," you're banking on the GOP never again having simultaneous control of Congress and the White House, which they've had for 8 of the last 20 years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 08:12 PM
1

Looks like seething isn't working for you. Have you considered coping?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 05:49 PM
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I think some are just (understandably) feeling some schadenfreude because of many feminists' shitty attitudes towards men's reproductive rights. My opinion is you can sit with that schadenfreude for 3 seconds, then get serious because this is a fucking disaster and no woman deserves this bullshit (and it's also going to harm the cause of men's reproductive rights).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 05:45 PM
2

How would a "reproductive rights bill" protect abortion rights? Statutory measures can't accomplish jack. Even if it was a valid exercise of federal legislative power, Congress flips faster than the cold side of my pillow. See the Hyde Amendment for a sense of how this would go down.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 05:09 PM
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Yeah, the only consistent difference between men's and women's opinions on abortion seems to be the strength of the view. Women are just more likely to be staunchly pro-choice or staunchly pro-life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 05:07 PM
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Paper abortion ISN'T "equal protection for men in the abortion decision" though. It's equal protection from the consequences of unwanted pregnancy, but it doesn't involve decision-making power re abortion. But I agree that Roe was poorly decided (and so do many/most feminist legal academics, for what it's worth). And you're right that an equal protection basis for abortion would do more for paper abortion rights than Roe's privacy-focused analysis ever could. Still, for the foreseeable future, p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 05:02 PM
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Lemme remove any doubts rn with this: No. Exactly. Spend one minute in left-wing discourse right now and tell me the death knell of Roe and the loss of bodily autonomy for millions of American women has spurred them to think about a fairer and more gender-egalitarian model of reproductive freedom. Paper abortion is predicated on biological abortion for a reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 04:57 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but it's much more complicated than that, and the person you're replying to is definitely right to draw the distinction between "protects a right" and "often creates an outcome that one would choose if one had the right."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 04:50 PM
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You laugh, but a lot of people do think that way, and it's exactly why women can kick absolute ass at some criminal activities. I wonder if the GTA developers never made female protagonists because they didn't want to have to code an "Easy Mode."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 04:56 AM
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Eh. It bugs me, but I still do the coughing thing, cross the street to avoid women, etc. I think we can point out how this fits within a broader pattern of dehumanizing men, but I've lost the energy I once had to focus on these sorts of issues, except where they manifest in a specific incident where a man's life, livelihood or reputation is on the line. Otherwise, when I'm out at night and see a woman in my path, I focus on the fact that crossing/coughing makes women more comfortable/happy and I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 04:43 AM
2

Big hugs for you, man. I had a couple of long-term relationships over the past decade or so, but I've been single for a few years and can't imagine that changing, for basically the same reasons as you. All my female friends tell me I'd have no trouble finding a partner if I just put myself out there a bit, but I don't think they understand how uninterested I am in performing the masculine role that women seem to expect. My last girlfriend had a bad porn diet and expected aggressive sexual behavi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/22 06:59 PM
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Yeah, this reminds me of the Chibok girls story. "If this had happened to boys, the whole world would be up in arms!" Actually Boko Haram has kidnapped thousands of boys, sometimes in greater numbers than the Chibok girls, yet this is the first BH kidnapping that has ever drawn any attention, which proves exactly the opposite of your point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/22 11:39 PM
9

You don't need to worry about feeling like a hypocrite if the shoe's never on the other foot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 07:13 PM
9

I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but I think both you and the commenter above you are making a pretty weird defence of a damaging and hurtful practice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 07:00 PM
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I've never (NEVER) told any friend anything about a partner that would embarrass her, except when she was being abusive and I was about to end the relationship, and even then, I limited it to her abusive bullshit and share nothing about her sexual characteristics or stupid stuff like that. The fact any woman feels comfortable telling her friends about this stuff is wild. This sort of behavior is the province of the shittiest 0.1% of men and an alarmingly high proportion of women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 06:50 PM
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Dude, don't... don't do this. If you're curious or angry about an issue, there are productive ways of addressing that. The curiosity can be resolved by speaking to a lawyer, and the anger can be addressed by identifying a precise issue and taking it up calmly with someone who actually has decision-making power with these sorts of things. You just sound like you're itching for a confrontation. I understand the impulse (and I've definitely been there), but this won't lead to anything good. Feel fr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 03:40 PM
1

No, this isn't about compensation for wrongful conviction, it's about whether/how that conviction can even be overturned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 05:08 AM
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Yeah, the author is minimizing female criminality, but that's not even the point I'm making. Even if you accept for the sake of argument that almost NO women commit crimes in absolute terms or relative to men, the author's statement makes no sense. This isn't how the word "yet" works. "Monkeypox is extremely rare and case counts are low, yet Western governments are spending more money on it than ever before." Yes, because their number of cases suddenly went from "0" to "slightly more than 0." It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/22 03:41 PM
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"Women almost never scare us; commit random acts of serious violence; violate our sexual integrity; or form organised crime networks and yet their prisons numbers are now the highest in recorded history." What kind of absolutely chickenshit upbringing/education would lead someone to think this sentence makes any sense at all? Seriously, who teaches these people how to think? It doesn't matter if 5 women per billion commit crimes. If that number has historically been 1 woman per billion, it makes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/22 03:21 PM
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I'll point out that the Innocence Project does actually handle a LOT of rape cases, but they always involve a deceased victim or instances where the complainant and the accused were strangers and identification of the accused is at issue. I think I remember reading that they have a policy of never taking a rape case if consent is at issue rather than identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 01:08 PM
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Fantastic points. I'm curious about your point about "female-led" circumcision in the US, though. My understanding is that it's usually fathers who want it done, but you'd be correct in pointing out that it's often done to respond to a very real trend in sexual preferences among women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 03:34 PM
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I agree with both of you, though... if these catchphrases are THIS ambiguous, that's an indictment of bad advocacy. "Believe victims" is particularly bad because it's tautological.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 06:23 PM
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Kind of pathetic that this line item in a BBC News live-stream is one of the most fulsome pieces of reporting I've seen (and I've been searching HARD since the invasion began) about the particular nightmare facing men in Ukraine. You can't throw a stone through the internet without hitting articles, UN statements, op-eds by high-profile foreign ministers, Jill Biden, etc. about the issues facing women and girls there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/22 02:57 PM
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How can I feel outrage and advocate for those who don’t give the same for the rights of myself or my brothers? Again, this is exactly the kind of generalization that OP responded to when he pointed out that we're not all senators. How can women feel outrage and advocate for men when we are the ones limiting their reproductive rights? The only reasonable answer: WE AREN'T. We aren't those men. I can't call Samuel Alito and ask him to can his Hobbs opinion any more than a woman could, but my broth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/22 08:12 PM
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I've gotta disagree... we're all entitled to our opinion on abortion, and I know better than most (from being friends with lots of pro-life people, both men and women) that these beliefs can be genuine and deeply-held, but I can understand why pro-choice women get annoyed at men who disapprove of it given their proximity to the issue and the interests that are on the line right now. Though I DO think that a lot of feminists are needlessly channeling their anger into a blind rage at all men, incl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/22 07:47 PM
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Arguably a bit classist. I can only afford to get dressed in an apartment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 01:44 PM
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Yeah, I figured you probably just weren't comfortable saying this as AFAB. It's hard for anyone to advocate for their own group without appearing self-interested. And while I believe this group is much more sophisticated and reasonable than many other MRA forums, I'm sure you'll find bad apples in every orchard, so I'm more than happy to take the heat off you haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 06:42 PM
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Feminists are correct that misandry doesn't manifest in a large amount of lethal physical violence perpetrated by women against men. What many somehow can't appreciate is that this still leaves plenty of room for other types of harm from misandry that can and do wreck men's lives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 06:22 PM
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Based.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 06:16 PM
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Again, you're talking about arguing. u/reverbiscrap is talking about keeping an ear to the ground for danger.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 06:14 PM
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I agree there is still a heavy imbalance, but the vast majority of vocal abortion supporters are women, What you're missing is that the majority of ardent abortion opponents are also women. Polls suggest the only consistent difference between men's and women's opinions on abortion is that women's opinions are more strongly held.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 06:09 PM
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You make very good points, but more importantly, treating support for female bodily autonomy as a bargaining chip would be depraved, even if the cause we're advancing is no less important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 06:04 PM
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I don't think my summary was "oversimplified" at all, except on the point that, yes, the minority who found no s. `15(1) breach didn't bother with a s. 1 analysis in obiter. But the additional detail you're providing appears to be generally correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 05:42 PM
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The fact that name changes are more tightly controlled in Quebec does not indicate that they are a civil law system. A civil code could also provide that anyone can change their name at any time and for any reason by making a simple phone call. And again, what role does common law play in governing name changes elsewhere in Canada? The restrictions and requirements are provided by statute, as far as I'm aware.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/22 07:24 PM
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There are a number of reasons why this claim is nonsense, starting with the fact that other provinces also have statutory name change regimes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/22 03:06 PM
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Quebec is not using 'common law' Yes, I make that point in one of my comments lower in this thread, and this is precisely why I said "most" courts in Canada (though the governing law in Quebec does include some common law). My point is that, if you don't like the courts "inventing" their own law, this is not the case you should be mad about. just see how fun it is to change legal name (have to prove you won't fraud by giving tons of reasons for them to give it, and then wait 6 months, you also c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/22 02:35 PM
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Yeah, I won't wade too far into the US issue, because the idea of a constitutional provision that directly regulates relationships between private parties is very foreign to me. My understanding is that the 13th Amendment doesn't make slavery a "crime," but it does directly make slavery unlawful (in the same way that a constitution could, I suppose, directly provide for or proscribe "common law marriage.") And I suspect you're also right on your general point, though I know there are some consti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/22 12:30 AM
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There's no mention of murder, rape, genocide, or spitting on babies either, yet Canada is still happily a society where all of those things are illegal. I don't think any of this means that the Canadian constitution sucks. The constitution does not need to specify all the things that are bad in painstaking detail. The United States is a peculiar case because they literally fought a war to outlaw the practice. Locking that prohibition in via the 13th Amendment kind of makes sense in that context.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 11:54 PM
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Sorry, "purported husband." Yes, feminists can use constitutional remedies, as can anyone else, including men's issues activists. And they do! Though it's not a case of "reading in," here's a great example) of a unanimous Supreme Court decision that applied s. 15 equality rights to strike down a law that discriminated against fathers. The idea of "reading in" does pose some risks, but it's absolutely not a "men's issue" and you're just as likely to find a situation tomorrow where men's interests…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 11:32 PM
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With all due respect, your analysis is off: The Superior Court actually sided with the husband. It was the Court of Appeal that reversed the Superior Court's decision on appeal. The woman brought a constitutional challenge against a legislative regime that afforded certain rights to some people but not others, and the Court of Appeal responded by broadening the scope of the law to apply to the wife. This is a constitutional remedy known as "reading in," and while it wasn't awarded very often at …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 10:59 PM
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Yes, I had originally written "Ukrainian men" in my comment, but changed it for exactly that reason. Did you see the video of the woman yelling at the Russian soldier about putting sunflower seeds in his pockets? Everyone celebrated how "badass" that woman was, but the attitude and response of the Russian soldier impressed me much more to be honest. These Russian soldiers are being screwed by Putin, and I think many of them know it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 12:34 PM
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But adding women to drafts makes them much more unpalatable, and eases the burden on men. Bingo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 03:30 AM
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This study is longitudinal meaning causation is specifically what they're trying to measure No, longitudinal studies are not automatically equipped to determine causation. A longitudinal study might be able to rule out inverse causation, but what if both of your variables are determined by a third, unobserved variable?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 05:16 PM
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International courts have decided that involuntary conscription is a human rights violation. Can you provide a source for this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 05:06 PM
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You're not wrong, but perhaps you could have conveyed this by saying something like "whatever most reduces the excess risks for men"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 05:03 PM
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This is a very, very good point. Either fully gender-neutral conscription, or none at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 04:58 PM
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Everything about international law is nonsense, so don't expect any of this to matter. The rules are vague, the application is selective, and the enforcement is non-existent. But yes, fuck everything about how men are being treated during this conflict.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 04:55 PM
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...medium?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 10:44 PM
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Come on, it's just two descriptors put together. I'm sure you've never heard the words "Fijian astronaut" together but you should still be able to figure out what it means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 10:41 PM
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But honestly, it's a mix. No doubt. That's part of the reason I qualified it with "generally." I'm sure there are at least some TERF/GC types whose ideology doesn't extend any deeper than wanting to stick it to "males."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/22 04:14 AM
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No, but you can bring a human rights complaint. Gamers are a protected class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 01:22 AM
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OK, I've read the comment a few times and I suspect he meant to say it's not fair to EXPECT women to buy men's products in order to save their money (because he wouldn't do the reverse)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 01:18 AM
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To be fair, I think there are some instances of male-marketed products being marked up. But that's only the Dr. Squatch-type bullshit or those "bath grenade" bath bombs, where they're REALLY leaning into masculinity and sex appeal. Almost anywhere else, "for men" means "for people who aren't dumb with money."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 01:14 AM
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Word, I'd rather smell like a tropical fruit salad than a dentist's chair
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 01:12 AM
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True, but some of the world's most progressive social democracies also have a male-only military draft. Just because they're doing something doesn't mean it's progressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 01:08 AM
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u/MelissaMiranti is right. The spending gap between the wealthiest 20% and the poorest 20% is MUCH smaller than the income gap between those groups.... and that's before we even consider the fact that income taxes in most countries are bracketed to be progressive. In other words, even a FLAT income tax is more progressive than a sales tax.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 01:04 AM
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I don't want to get into a defence of TERFs, but I don't think they're generally opposed to men embracing so-called "feminine" traits. If anything, part of the reason they oppose trans identification is that they think it upholds and perpetuates the gendering of traits and behaviors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 12:56 AM
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especially since sometimes the *users* of those products were mocked and not just the companies that sold them Exactly. I think there's a huge difference in how we treat masculinity-adherent men and femininity-adherent women, and it all comes down to male hyperagency. "Toxic" and "fragile" masculinity discourse is always used to mock or accuse the men themselves as toxic or fragile (read: "weak," which is a great way to uphold toxic cultural expectations of male strength). But with women, the wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 12:42 AM
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Yes! Happy to hear someone else say this. I make exactly this point every time someone complains about fragile masculinity in product marketing and/or the pink tax. Each of those issues proves why the other is a stupid complaint (except where you're dealing with products that don't have male or unisex equivalents).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 12:35 AM
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It's a consistent finding in large-scale studies of American data, but I strongly suspect the same is true in any country with a population large enough to dampen the effect of random error. However, men do drive much more than women (and therefore have more accidents per person-year), and their accidents tend to be at higher speed (so generally more damaging and less likely to escape notice).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 01:23 AM
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Women actually get in more accidents per mile driven than men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/22 03:36 PM
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Holy shit, you're so right. This is a perfect recipe for the second stage in his rude awakening lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 11:15 PM
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He's also entirely ignoring the reasons why men participate in this emotional stonewalling. I'm not going to pretend it's ALL on feminism, but you also can't suggest that feminists haven't stigmatized intra-male solidarity and bonding. Basically any male-gendered spaces or social ties elicit side-eye from feminists unless they're a male feminist talking circle (and even that is no guarantee of approbation)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 11:13 PM
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This also isn't true. Women can be sent to jail for the same offences as men. They're universally less likely to be sent to jail, but that doesn't mean that they can't be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 03:54 PM
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We want to reduce the female prison population, with fewer offenders sent to custody for short periods. Easy solution: send women to jail for longer periods. (I'm most joking, but see Starr 2012)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 03:53 PM
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This is a disingenuous oversimplification. There's a difference between demanding those of greater means contribute more of their wealth to the common good, and shipping half the population off to risk being slaughtered because they have higher muscle mass and a non-rate-limiting role in reproduction. One of these practices affirms the dignity of all people, and the other does the opposite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 12:56 AM
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Putting aside that he didn't say that at all (objecting to the draft does not mean you would never enlist): What does "people" mean here? Do you mean "people" in the singular sense of a "nation," or just as the plural of person? Which persons specifically? Everyone in the country? Just the ones who aren't fighting? Just the ones who ARE fighting? And how did you determine whether those people are "his"? More importantly, what, in concrete terms, does it mean to be "abandoned" by someone dodging …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 12:53 AM
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Your life is pricelessly valuable, and you deserve to survive this invasion just as much as everyone else. Every minute you survive by asserting your human right to take humanitarian aid, avoid violence, attempt to escape the country, etc. is an act of resistance against those who think you're expendable. And fuck Putin, of course.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 04:16 PM
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I've been struggling with the same issue (though I don't have Ukrainian heritage) and totally agree with everything you've said. The way I see it, conscription is an evil measure, but the circumstances here are evil and might demand it. The sex-selective aspect of this martial law decree is a lot harder to tolerate though, especially when you see how some attempted male refugees (who usually get turned back) have been shamed by female refugees in the lines into Poland and elsewhere. It's sickeni…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 04:01 PM
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It took everything in my power to remember not to downvote your comment just because of how mad that headline makes me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 03:32 PM
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I've seen ONE. It wasn't until roughly 2 weeks into the conflict, and it was memorable because it's still the ONLY article I've seen on the topic. I think it was in the Guardian.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 03:32 PM
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What if the existence of your nation doesn't really matter to you? Worse still, what if your nation's existence is unethical? I don't entirely agree with u/WhenIsItOkayToHate, but your take is even more extreme.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 03:28 PM
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I imagine bi gals feel something similar with just not wanting to worry about how a new man views his and her roles in the social game they're in. I've read stories about the opposite: how bi women will end up on a long streak of dating only men when they're not doing well or for whatever other reason don't have the energy to deal with the stress and effort involved in dating other women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 04:48 PM
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thanks🙏
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 08:08 PM
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non-NT man Sorry, can you clarify what this means? Thanks!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 08:02 PM
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To be clear, I'm not the one who used it above, I'm just replying because I'm interested. I fully understand the problem you're describing (IE. misapplying it to dudes who are simply being decent), but I don't think eliminating the word is the solution. Literally all terms of criticism get twisted and weaponized against people to whom they really shouldn't apply. And if the phrase "Men in need of female approval" ever gains the same negative connotation that this sort of behavior deserves, it wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/22 03:38 AM
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Can you explain why we shouldn't use it? I think it's a useful term for describing certain male behavior, but I'm definitely open to hearing your perspective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/22 03:19 AM
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Any violence against an assailant that goes beyond the least severe measure possible to stop a currently ongoing attack may be considered self-"justice" at best and shall be condemned regardless of sex. Disagree, only because that imposes far too strict a standard. People being assaulted shouldn't be expected to titrate their response to perfectly match the threat. But yes, doing gratuitously more than is necessary to stop an attack should be condemned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/22 03:17 AM
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Basically "criminalize buyers, decriminalize sellers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model_approach_to_prostitution EDIT: the crazy thing is that most sex workers are vehemently opposed to the Nordic model because it doesn't protect them at all (if your buyers are "underground," you'll have to go "underground" to meet them). But that doesn't stop a bunch of pseudofeminist busy-bodies with a huge anti-male chip on their shoulder from advocating for it anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/22 11:38 PM
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Agreed. Misogyny and misandry can coexist. I will advocate on men's issues until I am blue in the face, but recognizing the issues facing women won't detract from that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/22 10:56 PM
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What are your thoughts on the sex work issue? It's hard to deny that the Nordic model is fundamentally anti-male and bad. Heck, it doesn't even successfully protect sex workers. The only motive I can see is unbridled contempt for the buyer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/22 10:50 PM
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Gross but unsurprising. Unless something has changed very recently, the UK Home Secretary does the same thing. Every time a woman kills or beats her husband, it's recorded as an instance of violence against women. ETA: sorry, it was the UK Crown Prosecution Service, not Home Office https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/07/cps-report-violence-against-women-girl-men-boys-victims-violent-crime
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 09:32 PM
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While I get your point, let's not reduce Israeli apartheid simply to imprisonment. It may be one of apartheid's worse impacts, but it's not the whole picture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/22 06:10 PM
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Criminals might be more likely to be male, not the other way around. I'm not sure I agree with what she's saying, but I think you're misinterpreting it. If 0.02% of men are abusers and 0.01% of women are abusers, then "men are more likely to be abusers than women." What would be WRONG to say is "men are more likely to be abusers than NOT abusers." And this doesn't change the fact that she's conflating identified/reported/convicted abusers with abusers in general. There are huge gender biases in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/22 07:06 PM
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Are you talking about "Heteronormative Patriarchy for Men"? I miss that blog...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 10:26 PM
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Haha, yeah, you should look up Ally Fogg. I don't find him to be perfectly aligned with my views on everything (especially on the men's issues side), but he's genuinely decent, pro-equality, and willing to call out anti-male bullshit from "feminists" when he sees it, without pretending it's all just collateral damage from patriarchy. EDIT: Didn't know any Brexiters were involved, though... yikes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 06:47 PM
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Also if by "Coalition for Men and Boys" you mean the UK-based "Men and Boys Coalition," I'm not sure why you get the impression they're right-wing. They're pretty fantastic, and their chair is a Corbynist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 06:05 PM
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Yeah, CAFE tends to be pretty good. Unfortunately Men's Issues groups are rare enough that they end up being "big tents," which means some unsavoury characters occasionally drift into the picture. But overall the organization is great and they maintain a good message.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 06:02 PM
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The irony is that the people who complain about this the most are feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 09:52 PM
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Jesus Christ, do people actually believe that? We have a cultural taboo around men being intimate with each other, and most men refrain from violating it unless that's where their romantic/sexual interests lie. Straight women, on the other hand, have been cuddling and pressing their faces together for selfies since the fucking dawn of agriculture, because they're allowed to. EDIT: also, if this harms anyone, it's MEN. It just shows how we restrict and police men's behaviour.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 05:16 PM
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Interesting... what's your gender? I'd have been inclined to guess you're a transwoman given how you say white lesbians are treating you, but I read recently that they rail against transmen too so I'm curious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 05:04 PM
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99% of feminist women's "positive" commentary on men is some version of "you're not like the other guys." I've had women say it to me outright and it makes me want to yeet myself out a goddamn window.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 02:08 PM
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Thanks for this! It looks like quite a few states do have discriminatory laws, though at least it's not a majority. And it seems Congress did ultimately pass a law that encourages states to discriminate. Complete bullshit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 06:53 PM
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Not long ago, only a minority of states acknowledged a woman could rape. I was horrified when I looked into it in 2010. Correct, and absolutely ridiculous. The UK still works this way. Their government claims this is OK because the upper bound of the sentencing guideline is the same for "rape" and its female-perpetrated counterparts, but this is bullshit because, among other things, the LOWER bound for rape in the sentencing guidelines is far higher. And that's before we even consider the extens…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 06:41 PM
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EDIT: see the replies. looks like a few states do have explicitly discriminatory laws in this area. I don't think rapists should have custody of children resulting from the rape. Feminists have laws along those lines passed in many places, including over forty American states. The problem is that all of those laws explicitly exclude female rapists. The result is that female rapists end up being paid child support by their victims. Good news: I'm not an expert on this, but I looked through the re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 10:51 AM
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Yeah, global population is falling just like we're meeting our global targets to reduce greenhouse gases. Nobody suggested global population is falling, but global birth rates are. You're confusing first and second derivatives. And for what it's worth, I am in favour of populations falling, even if it will create challenges.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/21 03:08 AM
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I don't have such a cynical view on their concern, but even if you're right, it's still fundamentally about social phenomena in Western countries, not the overall global population number.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/21 12:17 AM
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I don't necessarily disagree. I'm just pointing out that most people who worry about falling birth rates are concerned for what this says about Western social and cultural issues, not that humanity is going to go extinct or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/21 12:05 AM
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Right, but I don't think the typical framing of this concern (by the people who hold it) is that the world is going to run out of people (although global birthrates are falling). The claim is that Western birth rates are falling due to social issues particular to Western countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 11:13 PM
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"Importantly, although this report found increases in [emergency department] visits for suspected suicide attempts among adolescent females during 2020 and early 2021, this does not mean that suicide deaths have increased," the study noted. The study goes on to note there was no such increase in suicide deaths. How is this possible? Maybe our current approach to labelling "attempted suicide" inappropriately captures parasuicidal behaviour, especially among women? Maybe everyone is afraid to admi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 06:16 AM
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A gendered approach may be part of the answer. A society that's better for men may already be part of the answer. I only just don't think it's the whole answer. What would help to fix "male violence" beyond making society more decent and less hostile toward men? I don't see any other solutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/21 03:22 PM
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Let's try and reduce violence in general. Sure, but violence is a gendered phenomenon and it's not inappropriate to take a gendered approach to addressing it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/21 02:50 PM
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I totally agree. There's a huge difference between policing the use of a label for X group because of its offensive connotations and policing people in X group. If anything, they're almost directly opposite to each other. But I do think society does ignore/marginalize cis-male "femininity" in these sorts of conversations and it does piss me off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/21 05:46 PM
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Agreed, this is dangerous at worst and juvenile at best
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 12:53 PM
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Pretty sure that dirty laundry doesn’t get aired much Not sure what you mean by that... I think this gets a lot of attention. So much so that people are surprised to learn that MOST transwomen are, in fact, at LOWER risk of violence than cis men and cis women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/21 01:30 PM
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So however one seeks to classify transgenderism, be it as a psychopathology (gender dysphoria) or an elective behaviour (self-identification), social contagion is a viable model. To be very clear, I don't necessarily disagree that social contagion could play a role (at least in SOME cases, but let's not pretend all people who identify as transgender are driven by the same factors). I'm even accepting the "social contagion" hypothesis here for the sake of argument. As to agency, I think we in the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 06:54 PM
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That’s like saying talking violent women is misogynistic "Violent women" are not widely discussed as a plague on our society. Can you name any huge social ills for which women are often blamed or held responsible? And can you honestly say that progressive discourse doesn't describe that blame as misogynistic? Otherwise I agree with you on this very narrow argument you're having with reverbiscrap. But I would describe cis-male violence against trans-women itself as being, in part, an expression o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 04:12 PM
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Trans women are less likely to be the victims of assault by men than cis women iirc. This is a surprising truth in the overall stats. But note that Black and some other racialized transwomen are more likely to be killed than their cis-female (and maybe even cis-male) counterparts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 04:05 PM
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Your comment would be responsive to OP's oversimplification if OP had said "Only TERFs hate transwomen." Double-check the placement of "only" in OP's post. OP never said nobody else hates transwomen, or even that TERFs are the worst offenders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 04:00 PM
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I get your point, but even from that perspective, TERFs and others are way too quick to discount the agency of women (or people they perceive as women) in the face of social pressure/contagion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 03:57 PM
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I don't beleive there's anything in Only Fans programming to make this gendered in any way. Sex work is gendered, and now that gendered sex work is happening on OnlyFans. I don't think he's talking about algorithms designed to market female sexuality. I think he's simply saying OnlyFans overall is a very powerful means of profiting off of this male attention to female sexuality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 10:15 PM
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You haven't explained why you think that is the case. Correct. Did I suggest otherwise? My main problem with sex work—the vast majority of which involves men paying for women's services—is that it suggests men's sexuality and companionship are ultimately burdens that women suffer for a reward rather than something valuable. Sex work may not be the cause, but it does exemplify and reinforce this notion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 10:06 PM
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Yes! Thank you for bringing this up. I think sex work is wildly exploitative and degrading to men. It doesn't help that some of the more insightful sex workers admit that the simple act of receiving money from men for sex services has poisoned their attitude towards men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 08:59 PM
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Other way around https://www.circumcision-london.co.uk/nhs-circumcision/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/21 05:38 AM
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To start, iirc, stay at home husbands have some of the highest rates of divorce among couples, with the wife specifically filing. Woah, hold on.... we're talking about stay-at-home WIVES, aren't we? My whole point is that being stay-at-home reduces your financial independence and makes you more vulnerable and less able to file for divorce. The little factoid you provided is entirely consistent with that. prerogative of the judge, not a sweeping change to policy or revamped family court law. I do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 12:36 PM
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Even then, you say 'precarious social position'. How? Are housewives denied friends, loved ones other than their husband? They could be, I suppose? I said "precarious," not "poor." Money (and the ability to earn it) imparts a great deal of power in our society, and power imbalances in a relationship create vulnerability to abuse. They can also breed a sense of inadequacy. It's not uncommon for men to feel like their breadwinning wife's salary is hanging over their heads, but I'm sure women feel …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 11:17 AM
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Even if you have (which I doubt; the whole sentence smacks of a strawman), let's try not to focus on beating down the stupidest possible articulation of opposing views and instead engage critically with opposing views at their best. I'm sure you could articulate this position in a way that makes it sound far more reasonable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 10:37 AM
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Her: Wow, you don't care about my feelings at so why should I care about yours? You're a flaming misogynist incel!!! This is a really interesting discussion and definitely worth having. But, if I may, I think throwing buzzword-laden tirades into the "other side's" mouth isn't productive and is more alienating/obnoxious than anything else. You're making this hypothetical woman look like a raving idiot. Let's frame opposing views in good faith and take our discussions from there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 08:35 AM
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YMMV, but in general, the partner who makes less/no money is in a precarious social position. That's not to say there aren't benefits to being a stay-at-home spouse, or that it's truly tantamount to slavery, or that no stay-at-home wives enjoy their "role," but we can't pretend we don't understand where OP is coming from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 06:59 AM
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Echoing what u/icehalf already said. Tons of false premises here. For one, you're definitely mixing up "coerce" and "induce."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 09:58 PM
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Yes, it's absolutely important to denounce TRP. No disagreement there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/21 11:13 PM
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I may be mistaken, but I THINK at the very least TRP fans KNOW that they're being assholes. They at least have that level of self-awareness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 02:48 AM
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So true! The narrative has always been that transwomen are dangerous, and there's increasing discussion about how transmen are brainwashed and damaged victims. If you consider that they regard transwomen as men and transmen as women, it's just a classic story of "men actively create social ills, women are passively swept up in them." I would like to meet one TERF (or really any hardcore feminist) who ascribes agency to "women" before I die.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 02:44 AM
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"a lot of it is intentionally provocative, but I don't remember there being much I found particularly objectionable" How do you reconcile these two statements? It's hard to label the provocative element in Elam's work as anything other than offensive/objectionable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 12:38 PM
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