FightingForCollins Archive

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1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner Just like there are a bunch of not-diagnosed men also (probably more undiagnosed men than undiagnosed women since men open up less about their feelings in general). Yet I'm not hearing you say men are never satisfied.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 09:19 PM
0	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner and a lot means a lot, but when someone says a lot of companies are not profitable I still want to know what he means by a lot. So you're just going to ignore the fact that you can't give me statistics either when you say that women in general aren't satisfied with their lives no matter what? "Approximately 24% of women in the U.S. currently live with depression." Which means that 76% of women don't (from what we know). And there's no proof that women's depression is due to them never being happ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 08:30 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner Of course there are no traits that every single person finds desireable but there are traits that most people find desirable. "Do you want kids" is a question that most people have very differing opinions on. "Do you want your partner to be tall, hot, brave, kind, charismatic, funny, generous, successful" however is a question where the overwhelming majority of people would answer yes because there's literally no disadvantage tied to being any of these things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 08:05 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner What things that are "supposed to make their voices being heard" are you talking about? How have these things make them "targets for wide spread propaganda" ? How does that make their issues "unlikeley to ever be addressed"? You are saying a lot of words that have no concrete meaning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 08:01 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner This post is absolutely right and it perfectly answers the question that many redpill men ask which is "if it's okay for women to want men to be masculine, why is it not equally okay when men tell women to be feminine?" One benefits everyone and one only benefits the romantic partner. Thank you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:40 PM
3	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner "Men on the other hand can have a woman with 10 flaws, if she is nice and loving to him, he will love her back." Desperate men think like that, normal men don't. If your only criteria for loving someone is that they love you, you're probably desperate and you need to realize most people aren't like you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:39 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner Plenty means plenty. I don't have official statistics for you, but neither do you have statistics of the number of women who are dissatisfied with life no matter what you do. Not really, go see the followed ideologies of each group and the result of such and you'll see the ideology men follow as a group provide the results desired. Again, you need to mention what ideologies and results you're talking about otherwise you're just babbling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:33 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner What ideologies and what outcomes are opposites?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:31 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner A lot of what you said pretty much falls into the "kind" category. Someone who lets you do all the domestic labor and doesn't support your goals and doesn't want to take care of you when you're sick is not very kind. The only question that does not fall into that category is "does he want kids" which there is no good answer to, even in the eyes of society, some people would prefer a "no" due to overpopulation and others a "yes" because they want more people like him running around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:18 PM
2	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner You have it the other way around. Women like the man because society and everyone else likes him. Do you really think most women would turn down a gorgeous rich funny intelligent man just because people don't like him? I don't think people liking the guy influences women's opinions as much as you think	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:02 PM
-1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner Hard to say. How is he as a partner? What do you mean? She described him already, so clearly as a partner he would be tall, hot, brave, kind, charismatic, funny, generous, successful man... Why are you acting like a man like that would not be like that with his partner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 06:57 PM
2	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner This is something that can only happen if you really know what you want, what means that from the female pov is an impossibility. What's your proof that women don't know what they want?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 06:52 PM
2	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner you could give woman X a good family with children well raised to take care of them until they pass away peacefully surrounded by people that loved her and they would still say that is not a great outcome because she did not "experience herself" or some other shit. There are plenty of men who blow up their families when they reach a mid-life crisis and decide to cheat with the pretty young girl to "experience" something else, the idea that your happiness is not just based on random people liking…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 06:52 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner The average woman would obviously pick Hemsworth. The amount of times I've seen women praise him and drool over him does not compare even a little to the amount of attention Hiddleston gets.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 06:42 PM
1	Society upholds women’s standards of men more than men’s standards of women, because women’s ideal man is someone broadly admired and socially successful, while men’s ideal woman is someone valued almost exclusively by her romantic partner Um, Loki is an asshole criminal, asshole criminal men do not represent the female ideal	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 06:38 PM
–	What do women think when men say "women don't take accountability"? You can talk about both topics at the same time. The people you responded to talked about both topics at the same time by saying that men and women both do it. They are agreeing that there are women who lack accountability AND adding that there are men who lack it too. That's not a deflection.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 08:24 AM
–	What do women think when men say "women don't take accountability"? "Bringing up a mistake of the other party to deflect from the current topic." It's not a deflection from the current topic, it's an addition to the current topic. Yes, there are women who don't take accountability. And there are also men who don't take accountability. When you say "women don't take accountability" there's an implication that men take more accountability, otherwise you would say "people don't take accountability". You can't make a profoundly unflattering generalization about a sp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:27 AM
–	What do women think when men say "women don't take accountability"? Nobody has said anything remotely to the effect of: "I can understand why men would feel that way. It's true that a lot of women don't take accountability. Although, I don't think this is an issue that is unique to women. People don't like taking responsibility." Um, the comment above yours literally says " It isn't so much the observation of the behavior that I think is wrong - since I've no doubt you have encountered it countless times, as have I - just the attributing it to one gender specifi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 07:22 AM
3	Most High Value Men will cheat, and if your Husband doesnt cheat, hes most likely not High Value, and u claiming he is doesnt change the fact that he isnt. Man, you're really working overtime to spread your propaganda, is someone paying you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 12:29 AM
2	Most High Value Men will cheat, and if your Husband doesnt cheat, hes most likely not High Value, and u claiming he is doesnt change the fact that he isnt. Why do you never hear off a Women that in 25 years Marriage had sex with 50 Men but never left? Why would you hear of that? It's not like the women who do that would tell you. Most men would not be okay with their woman admitting something like that to the world, even if it's true, it's just not a good look for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 12:19 AM
3	Most High Value Men will cheat, and if your Husband doesnt cheat, hes most likely not High Value, and u claiming he is doesnt change the fact that he isnt. There is no proof that women only care about cheating because they were "conditioned". It could also be an innate, natural response. And it would make sense if it were a natural response because physical cheating comes with the risk of getting another woman pregnant and then your wife is stuck having to share you with another lady for life and be around a kid that reminds her of her humiliation for life. News Flash, there is By the way Women that accept PHYSICAL cheating off theyre Husband. And …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 12:15 AM
3	Most High Value Men will cheat, and if your Husband doesnt cheat, hes most likely not High Value, and u claiming he is doesnt change the fact that he isnt. If they're all your friends and they're all cheaters, don't forget that like attracts like... just because your friendgroup cheats doesn't mean every group of rich people is like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/25 12:07 AM
–	As men we have to face the reality that we are being hypocritical and delusional sometimes when calling out women's standards! If your mom had chosen the criminal, you might have had a father who beat you and caused you to be traumatized or injured for life because of it. Not to mention all the crimes this criminal would commit towards other people in society which he might not have committed if he was too busy feeling depressed from not having a woman in his life. Truth is, overly masculine guys and insufficiently masculine guys are both a terrible choice, women should aim for the guy who is a healthy balance first and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 11:57 PM
1	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing Of course it applies to platonic friendship as well, nobody said the opposite... We're not talking about not wanting someone in our lives "because they don't improve our social lives", we're talking about not wanting someone because they are a net negative ie they are selfish, rude, boring and other negative personality traits	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/25 08:48 AM
1	Looks are not the most important aspect of women, confidence is "Yes like I said before, an older woman that grows old with her man and does right by him, shouldn't have issues. Also it isnt used to bring down their self esteem it is just speaking reality." How do you not see that this is contradictory? If women can get old with a man of means and not have any issues, then it is not "speaking reality" when you say that youth is the "only" thing that matters for men of means. We're not talking about women who "take anything" we're talking about women with men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/25 08:43 AM
1	Women don't want the end goal of feminism. Bonnie Blue is the living proof. What popular male porn stars have done that without getting any flak? Most porn stars are not "popular", Bonnie Blue is popular because she did a crazy stunt otherwise nobody would know who she is either. It's just obviously not true that a man would not get backlash for doing the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/25 08:38 AM
1	Looks are not the most important aspect of women, confidence is We are talking about most would like to get one that is younger if possible. No we are talking about youth and looks being the "only" things that matter, which is what OP said. If men really don't mind growing old with their women then youth isn't the only thing that matters. Plenty of women manage to keep their man at an older age even without bringing fame and fortune to the relationship too. Too many redpillers say that women offer nothing but looks and youth to bring down women's self-esteem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 11:10 PM
2	Looks are not the most important aspect of women, confidence is If these women are bringing unspeakable value to the relationship despite not being the best looking and not being the youngest, it means that youth and looks isn't the only thing that matters in a woman, unlike the OP said. Lots of non-celebrity men stay with their wives past their physical prime too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 10:43 PM
2	Looks are not the most important aspect of women, confidence is Literally every male celebrity who is married to a woman who isn't "young" (which is a lot) contradicts your theory. If looks and youth were all that mattered, they would all trade in their wives for a younger model. Anyone not insane cares about personality too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 10:07 PM
9	Looks are not the most important aspect of women, confidence is Nahh, he would. When you're that good-looking your shyness becomes "cute" and "quirky".	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 10:05 PM
5	Women don't want the end goal of feminism. Bonnie Blue is the living proof. Because feminists spent sixty years screaming that women have an inalienable, shame proof right to fuck whoever, whenever, however many, in whatever hole, for whatever reason (or no reason at all). Full stop. Um no, feminists have not been screaming that women should have an inalienable proof to sleep with absolutely whoever including other women's husbands (and barely legal kids), no. You're lying. Feminists have however been fighting for women's right to not be forced to have sex they don't wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 09:50 PM
1	Women don't want the end goal of feminism. Bonnie Blue is the living proof. Oh sorry nevermind then	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 08:19 PM
1	Women don't want the end goal of feminism. Bonnie Blue is the living proof. "she would happily… say… do a podcast with Andrew Tate and agree with him if it got her views." She actually did do an interview with him on youtube and it did get views lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 08:06 PM
2	Women don't want the end goal of feminism. Bonnie Blue is the living proof. Bonnie Blue gets a ton of public shaming because she openly admits to targetting young boys, people don't get up in arms about pornsites the same way to do over Bonnie because porn sites don't have a face, it's not one single individual proudly declaring that they're targetting barely legals. Do you really think that if a famous man admitted to only targetting 18 year old girls for sex and filming it and uploading it, he would not get any flak? And also most people don't know Bonnie Blue and don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 07:59 PM
4	Women don't want the end goal of feminism. Bonnie Blue is the living proof. Why would feminists be on her side when she holds beliefs like "it's okay for men to cheat if their wife isn't constantly sexually available, look I can do it so these wives are selfish"? She is a terrible person, not because of her body count but because she promotes the idea that there's something wrong with women who aren't like her. If you actually watch her interviews you'll see that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 07:50 PM
5	Men, could you go without love if all other traditional desires were met? Do you think the same about your mom, your grandma, sister ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 07:35 PM
1	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing You can't have fun sharing your life experiences with just anyone. If you're not compatible with someone and you try to share your whole life with them, there are instances where you'll experience so much boredom, friction, conflict etc that you're going to feel like you're better off alone. Saying that does not mean you're "business minded", it means you're a normal human who has experience with socializing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/25 06:59 PM
1	Is your partner meeting your standards for the house chores, cooking and cleaning Why the sink, how is that practical Do you have a special sink that's really low or does he like climb on top of it to do his business	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:17 PM
1	QFW: Do you think it’s a bad thing that women are generally perceived and/or expected to be more “nurturing” and “caring”? Do you think it’s something men can learn from? Delusional. A cop, or soldier, or businessman will absolutely not be seen positively for being "capable of violence". Throw that on your resume and see what that does for you. Are you seriously arguing that being capable of violence is not a positive trait in a cop? But I'm the one who is emotional and lacks logic? Okay, here's a thought experiment : which cop do you want to protect you, the cop who will shoot the armed murderer who is chasing you down if he has to (ie the cop who is capable of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 07:14 PM
–	The stats on growing ideological divide between men and women shows men's ideals have relatively remained the same yet women are increasingly becoming radical, yet all the discussion is about "young men being radicalized"... exposes a clear agenda pushed by society Gosh, I feel the exact same way about my gf. She's the complete opposite of the women on this subreddit. Even saying or thinking the shit that the women on here do would be antithetical to her worldview. So grateful. I seriously doubt she's grateful for how entitled you feel to her body, but sure	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 11:04 PM
1	Why does it seem that women's feelings override any normal relationship boundaries? Yep, there are shitty people of both genders. OP is claiming it's mostly a woman thing though. Said he didn't experience that with men. That's when it becomes more likely that the problem is mostly the way he picks people. Otherwise he would also have shitty experiences with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 10:07 PM
1	QFW: Do you think it’s a bad thing that women are generally perceived and/or expected to be more “nurturing” and “caring”? Do you think it’s something men can learn from? Humans have no idea how to run a functional society that competes well with others based on treating every man and woman as a non-gendered individual with no a priori expectations. Ideal or not, this is simply beyond our ability. Why do you think this? Aren't most countries in the West functional and yet the closest to non-gendered compared to the rest of the world?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:54 PM
0	QFW: Do you think it’s a bad thing that women are generally perceived and/or expected to be more “nurturing” and “caring”? Do you think it’s something men can learn from? People keep mentioning this study in here, but it's an extremely vague one that doesn't seem very credible to me. How did they measure who people liked more? What kind of questions did they ask? They say that people "preferred women" but in what areas exactly? In the summary of the study they mention people associating the male gender with violence like it's wrong but the majority of violent crimes are committed by men, so what's the issue? Just because you know that men tend to be more violent …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:48 PM
1	Why does it seem that women's feelings override any normal relationship boundaries? "If you have to do work to not attract certain types of people, it sort of implies that what you're looking for is more rare than it is common." It depends. Maybe he attracts plenty of people who aren't like this but he doesn't pick these people. Maybe the women he picks show early signs of being overbearing that he finds attractive because it's familiar, until the overbearingness becomes extreme and then he wonders how he ended up there. In that case, it doesn't mean overbearing women are more …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 08:53 PM
–	The stats on growing ideological divide between men and women shows men's ideals have relatively remained the same yet women are increasingly becoming radical, yet all the discussion is about "young men being radicalized"... exposes a clear agenda pushed by society There are different levels to being a conservative. If you were a normal conservative who ideally wanted a chaste wife who doesn't work but you were flexible and ready to tolerate her having a part-time job and 3-4 past partners, then you listened to Andrew Tate or whatever and now you're a far-right conservative who believes women shouldn't be able to vote or to work at all and they lose all value if they're not a virgin at marriage, you did not "remain ideologically stable" even if you called …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 07:42 PM
1	Would You Take a Man's Treatment Without Becoming One? What words did I twist? That guy complained about having to prove himself to the people HE cares about and I'm just saying women have to prove themselves to the people they care about too. Most women also need to learn social skills to make friends, and get an education to make a living, it's not like they go around having love and money handed to them without working for it at all. Having value to society requires hard work for men. Most men are expendable to most women, while most men will dro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 07:26 PM
7	Would You Take a Man's Treatment Without Becoming One? Everyone has to prove themselves to the people they care about, why are you acting like that's just a man thing	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 05:23 PM
2	Even if a research proved tomorrow that women's standards are 110% delusional they are still entitled to it Good point. It's not bad to give some a wakeup call, as long as it's done humanely and not full of bitterness and aggression	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:30 PM
–	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". You can be at the bottom in one way and not in another way, everybody sucks at something, women are capable of still being attracted to a man who's genuinely at the bottom of one hierarchy, especially if these women are on the bottom themselves or if the man sucks at this one thing but is good at something else. I see your point but I'm trying to add some nuance because you're speaking in very black and white terms, implying that some men are in a hopeless situation even when they're not, and sp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 12:51 PM
–	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". Women will never, ever not dry up around a man crying about not being treated fairly, no matter how good his arguments or legitimate his grievances Non-white men cry about being discriminated by racism all the time and they still attract women, your post is very hyperbolic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 09:58 AM
6	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". Women are more risk-averse. The reason women avoid starting a startup isn't because they don't care about the freedom that comes with it if it's successful, it's because they care about the lack of freedom that comes with it if it's not. You're overly glamourazing entrepreneurial life, a lot of entrepreneurs work extremely long hours relentlessly chasing clients just to keep the company afloat. If you have to work grueling hours and people-please constantly otherwise your life will explode, you'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 09:44 AM
22	What's something you wish the opposite sex understood more about your experiences? Yes, also being the penetrated party during sex is often associated with degradation/insults, which makes sex a more mentally vulnerable/risky experience for women than for (straight) men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/25 08:11 PM
3	Once females become adults it’s probably too late to learn relationship skills Women are taught to respect people in general, men included. Everything you've said men are told to do in a relationship with their partner, women are taught to do with men too. It's gender-neutral. Yet you're the one talking about how there should be a "female equivalent" to these things, that's why you're the one who is supposed to explain what you mean. You're the one complaining but you can't explain explicitely what you're complaining about?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/25 06:05 PM
2	Once females become adults it’s probably too late to learn relationship skills What do you suggest the female equivalent should be?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/25 09:18 AM
–	Women’s advice to men hurt women more than it helps women Who says "don't approach women"? I hear redpillers complaining about these imaginary people who lead men astray, but I never see these people. Most people don't say it's bad to approach women, as long as you do it in the right context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 05:31 PM
–	Women’s advice to men hurt women more than it helps women Those men are not gonna listen to that “advice”. I've heard this so many times before, but how do you know that? How do you know there aren't men who were gonna be pushy who heard this advice and changed their minds? I'm not a fan of black-and-white thinking, and thinking that the only outcome of this advice is either a guy ignoring it fully or a guy taking it to heart and going to the other extreme is very black and white. Also, I've never heard a woman advise men to just "don't go up to women"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 05:30 PM
6	As Gender Equality Grows, So Does Women's Prison Population Umm leaving the door wide open when people can see you naked is very gross and you deserve to be called out on it if you do that... if a woman got naked then ordered food and left the door wide open, that would also be a problem. If the door is closed, then you can be as naked as you want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 05:02 PM
4	As Gender Equality Grows, So Does Women's Prison Population People struggle with the doordash girl because she said in her initial tiktok that the door was wide open when she arrived. Most people don't know that she opened the door herself. And why wouldnt the female imprisonement rate go up? People who commit crimes don't commit them because they don't understand that there are consequences, they do so because they like taking risks and they have bad impulse control. Of course the imprisonment rate would go up the more people view women as humans capabl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 04:39 PM
15	As Gender Equality Grows, So Does Women's Prison Population "Women need to prepare" lol, most women ARE already held responsible for what they do. Most adults, male or female, understand that if they do something wrong there will be consequences. But thanks for this warning I guess. Not sure what the point of your post is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 03:51 PM
5	Schopenhauer proves that even when society bends over backwards to privilege men, they just can't help but resent women Hmmm. Didn't know Schopenhauer was gay. Interesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 03:46 PM
0	Male hyper and polygamy Nope. But you're trying to say women divorce men, women bad And i'm trying to say it's a lot more nuanced than that. Of course sometimes it's the woman's fault that the marriage ended, but sometimes it's not, even when she's the one who left first	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 03:01 PM
0	Male hyper and polygamy Yeah no, or at least not before the men end the marriage first by getting addicted to things, cheating or not properly helping out with the kids and chores	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/25 11:34 AM
2	Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities. That's just your misogynistic opinion. Plenty of people believe it's special even outside of marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 04:54 PM
2	Why do women think that men have it easy compared to them? Not really, since a lot of women's issues are biological, like the fact that their fertility has a limited time frame which (together with men's preference for youthful features and innocence) puts them under pressure to settle down faster and makes them worry more than men about their partner staying attracted even past a certain age. And the fact that pregnancy diminishes their physical attractiveness but not men's + hinders their career in a way it doesnt men's, thus creating a trend where th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 11:19 AM
4	Why do women think that men have it easy compared to them? With that attitude... have fun dying alone I guess	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 10:57 AM
0	Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities. with a woman who views me as a second best option. I never said that woman sees you a second best option, you're making that up in your head. Why would the sex be more special if you wait? Why do you think a relationship lasts longer if you wait for sex? Because sex can be very weird and awkward and if you care about what the guy thinks of you that can make the act embarrassing? Would you rather embarass yourself in front of someone you'll only see once and never again or in front of someone you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 08:41 AM
3	Why do women think that men have it easy compared to them? It's not a hard concept, but it's entirely made up. There's no proof for it. Even if those men are not universally at the top, that still does not explain how the average man gets someone if all women are excluding 80% of the guys they are around. What's average "universally" and what's average regionally tends to not be very different. So even with the caveat of "who they are around" that scenario would lead to a higher concentration of men who don't get women. Why is it so hard to believe that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 08:30 AM
1	Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities. Oh you're right, what's the incentive for men to be respectable to a woman who's slept around in the past and makes him wait? To get to be in a long term relationship with her instead of being used as a casual fling and then thrown away by her. Again, not looking good for the guy you're making wait. You're not horny for him because.....? It's not that you're not horny for him. It's that, just like the OP said: "Wanting to get to know a guy before sleeping with him is trying to build intimacy so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 08:07 AM
2	Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities. You're telling me that you respect him enough to fuck him. No all it means is that you're horny enough to sleep with him and that he didn't creep you out. You don't have to respect a dude to sleep with him. Life is risky and people take risks to have fun all the time. Let's just say its true and you have sex with men you dont respect. Do you think that's more charitable to women? Men sleep with women they don't respect too. Is that an uncharitable thing to say about men? And what's the incentive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 02:45 AM
–	The societal expectation for men to be the protectors should be removed It's already gone none expects a man to intervene in situations where they wouldn't expect a woman to intervene too	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 12:07 AM
4	Why do women think that men have it easy compared to them? Still wrong. No matter where you are, if you can't get the 20% you're going to go for what is lower and most women can't get the top 20% that they're around. Top 20% guys date the top 20% girls that they're around too. People get with who they can get and if a woman can't get a top guy she'll go for an average one just like guys go for average girls if they can't get the top ones, that's how the average person ends up finding a match even if she or he isn't "top" anything. You guy's obsession wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 11:59 PM
4	Male hyper and polygamy It has to do with male polygamy though, ie the fact that men are more likely to still feel the urge to get some strange even when everything is fine with their spouse (and probably even more after she ages) just for the novelty/variety	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 09:34 PM
5	Why do women think that men have it easy compared to them? Plenty of women recognize average men as well. The average guy gets married, that's what the statistics show. This idea that women only see 20% is nonsense. There are a lot of men that women don't see, sure (and a lot of women that men don't see either), but it's not 80%, that's overdramatic and obviously factually incorrect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 08:41 PM
2	Male hyper and polygamy Lmfao so now promising to your wife at 25 during marriage that you'll be with her forever only to toss her aside for another 25 year old once she's 40 because she's no longer young and hot is "not that bad"? Yikes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 08:37 PM
5	Male hyper and polygamy When people say men are more loyal, they refer to the second. It's not "they don't feel the impulse to", but "they don't act on it" And I'm saying that this idea that men are less likely to act on their impulse is a falsehood, plenty of men don't resist the urge and do cheat, even though redpill propaganda says that that's mostly a woman thing	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 06:57 PM
9	Why do women think that men have it easy compared to them? Because way more than 20% of men have success in dating (most men have lost their virginity by 25 years old), even though people here campaign to make it look like inceldom is the average male's experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 06:24 PM
5	Male hyper and polygamy I don't just want to argue, this is what most people mean when they speak about polygamy, it's also literally the definition that's written in the Original Post. Are you really trying to argue that a man who is married and cheats with a hooker is being monogamous? If he's not being monogamous, what is he being? It looks like you're arguing over semantics because you're not capable of arguing against the actual point, but okay.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 06:07 PM
6	Male hyper and polygamy No not really. Most men cheat with a woman they want nothing relationship wise from. It's like calling it polygamous to sleep with a hooker. It is polygamous to sleep with a hooker while having a wife, yes. Polygamy is one man sleeping with multiple women in the same time period. Normal regular guys cannot do this. But when they can do it, they do it. And there are men who do this who aren't super rich either. You don't need to be Leonardo to break up with your wife and get a younger one. Some g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 05:34 PM
1	Pick Me Girls are not respected by men. Women are not jealous of them. It's not the same as a poor person asking a wealthy person to stop showing wealth because there's no downside to being wealthy, there's a downside to being a pickme though: a lot of them end up exhausted and underappreciated and regretful of their choices, or they shame other women who aren't pickmes and spread misinformation that being a pickme is the only way to be happy. You'll never be able to convince people that wealth isn't cool so it's kind of futile to keep the wealthy from showing off,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 05:23 PM
8	Male hyper and polygamy Men cheating has nothing to do with hypergamy most of them time. For majority of cases men's cheating is a simple in the moment decision. It's not good but there is often no she is better than my gf/wife evaluation. Often women complain that they cheat with women worse than she is. Ok, then they cheat for polygamous reasons. That's still just as bad. And sometimes men also outright leave because she is younger and hotter. And that's also bad, that's just like a woman leaving for a guy that's ric…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 04:58 PM
3	Pick Me Girls are not respected by men. Women are not jealous of them. Fact of the matter is, if something is normalized, people start expecting it more and it becomes more of an issue, period. If pickmes are normalizing toxic behavior and women don't want to have to deal with the men they want expecting that behavior from them, it is fair for women to call out pickme behavior.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 04:54 PM
7	Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities. Exactly, that's the part that they don't get	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 04:13 PM
8	Male hyper and polygamy Or when the man gets that 15 year itch and decides he wants a younger woman after taking all of his current's wife's youth... or if he's simply not content with his one wife and decides that he'd rather dump her to go play the field again. Then you have a broken home and broken marriage, so yes it certainly can be a nuisance to family life, obviously	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 04:08 PM
14	Male hyper and polygamy Some redpillers do downplay men's disloyalty though, they complain about how women are always ready to monkey branch to some other dude whereas guys are supposedly easily content with their wife forever. They downplay how many guys try to satisfy their polygamous urges by cheating on their wife even when if the wife did nothing wrong or how many will trade their wife in for a younger/prettier model if they can. They'll go on and on about how men are so loyal and it's women who are fickle when in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 04:02 PM
2	Pick Me Girls are not respected by men. Women are not jealous of them. It's not that pickmes make normal women "look bad", it's that they normalize desperate low self-esteem behavior, which causes men to start expecting women to have low self-esteem/give away all their goods for free, and causes men to put other women under pressure to act like that too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 11:35 AM
5	Why do men want a trad wife. And because back when they could rely on their man's single income, doing that led to some of them getting abused and battered	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 11:20 AM
3	Holding women back and beating them down, won't do anything to calm down hypergamy A lot of these men don't care about a woman's career because they don't care about their own career either... they're not a prize	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 11:10 AM
6	Holding women back and beating them down, won't do anything to calm down hypergamy They LOVE to pretend that feminists just started demonizing the traditional family structure out of nowhere and all the abuse the came from women being so financially dependent on their husband has nothing to do with it	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/25 11:10 AM
2	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf Dude, you have nothing to say clearly, so just say nothing. Shoo. Bye.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 09:34 PM
-1	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf LPS should be allowed in cases of deception. It's very hard to prove deception though, but if the woman lied that she was on birth control she should not be entitled to support from the man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 09:23 PM
3	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf Lmfao you clearly care or you wouldn't be here. The laws also care, and they're not in men's favor, so there. And I'm not "rationalizing" I'm giving a very logical, fair explanation as to why the laws are what they are. You might not like it but facts don't care about your feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 09:15 PM
2	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf Plan B is not painless. But yeah if the paper abortion was established before pregnancy then sure, that's fair.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 01:42 PM
0	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf If she lies about being on birth control, she's in the wrong. You want to avoid that, wear a condom. Easy. It still does not justify this idea of a male parental abortion. If you both choose to sleep together, you're both EQUALLY at risk of being lied to and suffering the consequences. Once the woman is pregnant, the consequences are no longer EQUALLY devided, she feels the pregnancy and he does not. It's not fair no matter which way you slice it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 01:39 PM
1	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf Ok, and before marriage ? Also even after, the man could still change his mind. You dont want a kid? Don't sleep with someone. And don't trust anything she says about "yeah im going to have an abortion". Easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/25 01:34 PM
4	Feminist opposition to legal paternal surrender/paper abortion is clearly not actually about the best interests of the child, since it disappears the moment that a woman is exercising paternal surrender on the man's behalf Okay, what is going to stop men from telling women "I'm gonna be there for the child" before sex and then bail when the woman gets pregnant, if "paternal surrender" is allowed? What? Do you realize that, if the woman is pregnant, in the time frame where men get to decide whether they want to be dads or not, sitting on their ass and feeling no consequence, the woman deals with morning sickness and all the negative sides of being pregnant? How is it fair that the man gets to not feel any side effe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 08:35 PM
1	Expecting your date to state their ultimate intentions with you on day 1 is WILDLY unrealistic. If women have called you a player even after you've made it clear what you were looking for; these women are dumb and you should ignore them. However, these women are not an excuse for you to actually play women and then be like "well, women call you a player no matter what you do" as an excuse for you to lie by omission and be an asshole. If a woman told you explicitely that she's looking for an LTR and you know that and you find out halfway that you're not looking for that with her, it is your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 11:01 AM
1	Expecting your date to state their ultimate intentions with you on day 1 is WILDLY unrealistic. That's not a "fantasy scenario", every player will do at least one of these things while not wanting anything serious with the girl at all. That's "being a player 101"...	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 10:55 AM
3	Expecting your date to state their ultimate intentions with you on day 1 is WILDLY unrealistic. The "widely understood" definition of "casual relationship" is "a relationship with no future". That's the definition for most people. You are the one who is changing definitions to suit your interest. Can you really look a woman in the eyes and tell her "I see no future with you, but this is not a casual relationship"? No? Well then you agree. Deep inside, you know very well what a "casual relationship" is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 10:53 AM
1	If women want men to be honest about their intentions then they should stop having different standards for casual vs a relationship. Sexual incompatibility can certainly be worked on. Sometimes your partner won't do something for you because he or she doesnt understand how important it is for you or because their skills are just bad at it, but they can work on it of they really want to. There are non-negociable things in sexuality and if you guys aren't compatible on these things then there's no way out, but there are malleable things too. I'm talking about the malleable things, so my post does make sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 10:36 AM
3	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. And you hit the critical point that exposes your delusion : most women give men leeway. Most women are not trying to be cool and "savage". Most women know that if they don't give men leeway, they will end up alone. Most women are not stupid so they do what it takes to not end up alone. The idea that most women don't tolerate ANY insecurity from their man is a redpill paranoid delusion because if women acted like that, they would end up alone and most women don't want to be alone. Also, most wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 10:22 AM
3	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. There is no double standard and I criticize woment too when they are in the wrong. Just because you spent ages debating hypocrites it doesn't mean I'm one of them. Maybe you should filter the places where you debate things more... Don't tell me what I would do if the roles were reversed because you have no idea, you're just inventing shit because of past bad experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 10:10 AM
21	Expecting your date to state their ultimate intentions with you on day 1 is WILDLY unrealistic. The question is "what are you looking for" in general, not "what are you looking for with me?" because that obviously wouldn't make any sense. /End thread	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 05:37 PM
–	If the chore gap is noteworthy, the income gap should be too. The one that works the least should do the most chores.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 05:32 PM
2	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. Insecurities are vulnerable moments. And plenty of men who show insecurities have loving partners too. Everyone has insecurities and most women are not so dumb that they don't understand that and make no room for it. If women really didn't tolerate ANY insecurity ever, they would all be alone, period. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I'm "trying to be a contrarian", lol. But anyway, if you want to keep believing this ridiculous idea that women have zero mercy towards men with weakn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 04:04 PM
1	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. Okay, and? Men don't get what they want, they walk. Okay then walk. Nobody's telling you that you can't. This isn't just a lie when it comes to women - it's gaslighting. Women never, ever deal with men's baggage. "I'm not your therapist", remember? It's not gaslighting, you need to get off the internet. Women tend to complain about men using them as therapists when the man trauma dumps/opens up in inappropriate ways or he doesn't reciprocate the emotional support, not when he's just normally sha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 11:38 AM
6	If women want men to be honest about their intentions then they should stop having different standards for casual vs a relationship. Most often than not, those were his intentions from the very beginning (not having a relationship and just have sex with her) And being pumped and dumped like that hurts more when you're actually into the guy compared to when you just have physical attraction and nothing else, so it's a reason to take more time before sleeping with a guy that you want for a relationship compared to a mere hookup, just to see if he's truly there for something serious No man, who isn't a virgin or isn't expecting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 10:54 AM
6	If women want men to be honest about their intentions then they should stop having different standards for casual vs a relationship. If you have casual sex, but judge a guy you actually want to get into a relationship with harsher than the guys you have casual sex with, then are you really attracted to him?.. Well yes. Sleeping with someone too soon can make him lose interest in getting to know you more and seeing if you're compatible for a relationship, so it makes sense to sleep with a guy faster when you know that the relationship won't go anywhere and there's nothing to lose. Just because you make the guy you want a relat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 10:24 AM
-4	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. Such bullshit. Self-respecting men don't run after women who make no effort to appeal to them. Y'all live on another planet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 09:53 AM
5	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. And that's part of what's driving men away. They're sick of this. Sick of what... Sick that the advantage of being stronger comes with a cost? You're complaining that you don't get to have the benefits for free? If that's not also "entitled" I don't know what is... Men are physically scarier by default, all you've got to do is smile and not be too pushy to keep her from thinking you're going to murder her, it's not hard and it's not a big deal. Most men succeed at this just fine. Plus, women don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 09:41 AM
5	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. Why did you ignore everything I said before that sentence... Most men are not confidence Gods and they still get women, most women will give you leeway is what I said, that's not an "out"	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 08:33 AM
21	Women fail to understand the sheer scale of emotional labor men perform for women. A lot of women's responses aren't due to what "a dude in the past" did, they're just normal responses people have when they're still learning to trust someone. Yes, trust is earned and in any relationship you're going to have to deal with being compassionate and understanding of someone in order to show that you're trustworthy. Women also deal with men's baggage, people deal with people's baggage, it's not something only men need to do for women. It's not that hard to show to someone that you're…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 12:12 AM
1	Would you as a woman swap women's dating app problems with men's? That's not true, there are average men who have success on dating apps, it's just not the same success that women have. If you don't want any of the girls you meet on the dating apps maybe the issue is your standards are too high, not the fact that you're a man	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 09:41 PM
9	Women's Dating Rules Are Impossible and often Hypocritical “Men should never approach me unless he’s my type.” you've never actually heard a woman say that, you guys are inventing shit. Most women perfectly understand that a man is free to shoot his shot even if he's not perfect, they just won't necessarily respond positively to it, which is their right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 09:35 PM
–	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. It's not a "large cohort" it's a small minority of women who are terminally online... no woman in real life says "kill all men"	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 09:32 PM
–	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. I seriously doubt that the women you hear about say "men should NEVER apprach because it's aggressive"... that sounds like you're not properly listening to what these women are saying or you're strawmanning their position. No sane woman will have an issue with a male friend telling her "hey, how about we go grab a coffee next Thursday?" and that's approaching too. There are plenty of ways to approach that aren't too aggressive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 09:23 PM
1	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. Then how come there are average looking people who find their looksmatches on dating apps and date them? Just like you're saying I'm in fantasy land, I think you're also exaggerating, you're on the other extreme acting like there is "no way" an average guy could've gotten a chance. You can say there was a smaller chance, but to say there was "no way" is extremist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 07:10 PM
2	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. Yall kill me with this being for sex like y’all don’t like sex lol Most women like sex when they know that's not the only thing they're being valued for. Once they know that's the guy is in for this changes. Especially when it's with some average dude. So yeah, you're acting like there's anything contradictory there but there really isn't. And if you approach someone there's a higher chance that you like them than if you don't so women will keep caring about guys approaching whether you like it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 07:05 PM
4	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. Thank you for being honest about this, jeez, finally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 05:10 PM
1	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. her first choice would have been the best looking, most popular guy in the place. But since he wasn't realistically available I came in second I guess. Never would have happened if she had been looking at dating apps. That's such a leap. Even women on dating apps know what their league is. Chad also rejects women on dating apps, chad also goes for the most attractive girls, not just for all the girls. There's defintely a chance that this woman would have given you a chance on a dating app despit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 05:08 PM
2	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. Lmfao men don't have to worry about being used for sex like women do so they have less of a reason to be worried about who approaches who, but if as a man you're such a worrywart that you still can't be with a girl unless she proves that she truly likes you by approaching you first, sure, good luck to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:49 PM
3	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. It's not about protecting herself from being used, it's very much about imposing a gender role on men while using "protecting herself" as an excuse. I'm telling you that the protecting herself thing is not an excuse. All the women here are telling you so. You're choosing to believe it's an excuse out of nowhere, just because you don't like it. Well this is not about your feelings or what you like or don't like. Just because you don't like the truth, doesn't mean it's not true. It is a valid way …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:39 PM
3	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. This part. Women approach men they know all the time. They're just less likely to approach someone they don't really know	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:26 PM
2	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. Plenty of men who approach women aren't aggressive and dangerous. It's you guys spreading this idea that they are, but there is no proof for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:24 PM
2	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. She won't be single, she just won't be with a dude who doesn't like her enough to ask her out lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:23 PM
1	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. It's the excuse they use to not pursue women! "Men dont pursue women because they don't want to bother them" well pursue them in a way that's not bothersome then? They love to pretend there is no classy, respectful way for a man to ask a woman out because then they have an excuse not to do it... They'll still ask the woman to do it though	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:13 PM
2	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. Respecting women will not get you laid. Plenty of women who would have slept with you will decide not to once they notice that you don't respect them, so yes, respecting women does get you laid, you just won't get laid by JUST doing that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:10 PM
3	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. Yes, well, that's even more of a reason for women not to approach, it weeds out the guys who don't approach because they think you're "just not worth it"	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:07 PM
7	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. It's not about mixing and matching to keep all the privileges, it's about dealing with the inescapable biological fact that men have higher libidos and lower standards for who they're sexually attracted to. Just because a woman wants a man to do what it takes to show to her that he's actually interested in her and not just using her for sex, it doesn't mean she has to be a "submissive" woman in return (whatever the fuck that means, like are you looking for a girlfriend or a dog??). When she want…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 03:59 PM
1	The single solution for women’s dating problems is being more active and asking men out. It's harder to invest in multiple women then to not do so, so requiring investment is a good method to screen the guys that are just trying to use you for sex. I just think there’s better indicators to look for to see if a guy is really interested or not Like what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 03:50 PM
-1	Starting to believe that the man needs to love the woman more It affects people's behavior, but i don't think it affects it as much as red pillers make it out to. The idea that unattractive men treat women much better is... very questionable. Many people are never happy with what they have, even when it's scarce, even when it's valuable, simply because they weren't raised right or they are delusional. Telling women that the antidote to getting treated wrong is finding an unattractive man is just overly simplistic because of that. A lot of unattractive men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 03:24 PM
2	Men should NOT be so forthcoming or honest about their intentions despite how much women claim they should Because some people get put off if you're too blunt. As long as you're getting the message across, it's okay I think. "We'll see where it goes" gets the message across that you're not certainly looking for something serious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 10:46 PM
10	Starting to believe that the man needs to love the woman more If women chose, a man with fewer choices then they would be much more likely to be treated well. I notice that in my circle, women with handsome guys are treated much worse than those with less desirable men. Ehh, plenty of unattractive men cheat and are assholes too. I'm not sure this theory works out in real life. It's not just how many options a person has that makes a difference, it's their character/personality as well. It's plenty of attractive people who don't act like assholes out there …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 06:56 PM
1	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. It's very unlikely that someone would endure bad company just to get a free meal. If women didn't have access to their own money, they might have a big incentive to do that and I would understand your fear, but women have their own money and sitting through 1-2 hours of awkward silence or annoying conversation with someone just to get a free burger is just not something most of them are going to do. Women can get dinner without a man, but a man can't get sex without a woman, men have more of an …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 06:45 PM
11	Men should NOT be so forthcoming or honest about their intentions despite how much women claim they should Yeah, walking up to someone and saying "i want nsa sex" is crass, don't lie that you want something serious though. If you're trying to be non-commital without being gross The typical "hmm, not sure what i'm looking for, we'll see where it goes" does the trick	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 05:56 PM
1	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. Are you trying to imply it’s easier for men to get dates or something? No, i'm implying it's easier for men not to get lied to and used and discarded by someone who just wanted sex from them. No one wants to date some obnoxious spoiled entitled girl who thinks she deserves the world If you think that protecting yourself from having your time wasted by users is being entitled and spoiled, I don't know what to tell you. It's not. Making sure the man actually invests something in you to keep him fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 05:29 PM
–	Speed dating events are as big as scams as dating apps Nah, during a speed dating event you get to see the person in person, that's better than looking at a profile online	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 03:18 PM
2	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. What should she provide in return? Things are fair enough when men pay. Women are less likely to waste a man's time lying to him to try to get in his pants, so if men didn't have to pay, they would be at a serious advantage. Nothing would stop them from going on as many dates as possible, even with women they don't like, just to get a shot at getting laid. Involving money puts a cap on the number of women men will try to use and discard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 03:17 PM
2	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. This means nothing because they are the extreme minority that most women won't come across. There are more men like this than you make it out to be and women absolutely do come across them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:40 PM
0	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. Most men pay. Okay, cool. Never said the opposite. There are men who don't and the point is to weed those ones out, so... the method works. Imagine being so vapid and shallow that you weed out men based on payment. That's so sad and embarrassing for women. I personally dont pay to weed out the prostitutes who require payment. Imagine being so entitled and childish that you need to cry on the internet about buying a simple drink lmfao, good luck to you because you'll need it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:31 PM
–	Speed dating events are as big as scams as dating apps This is such a lazy take, going speed dating doesn't necessarily equal desperation, getting a partner is a number's game and it makes sense to try to put the numbers on your side by going out there and intentionally looking for one. There's no need to be a loser to be intentional about finding a mate. Plenty of attractive people struggle with finding a mate too, a lot of it is luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:28 PM
6	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. Plenty of men don't even want to pay, so at least these ones get weeded out and paying certainly means something, even if it doesn't mean everything. And women don't ask for payment out of shallowness, it's for reassurance. But I get that you're very bitter and it might be very hard for you to see that :/	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:20 PM
9	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. He doesn't want to not sound misogynistic, dunking on women and trying to appear superior is the main point of his ridiculous post	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:12 PM
5	Men are easily blinded when it comes to women. Wanting a man to pay for the date doesn't mean depending on the man... These women just want to make sure the guy is actually invested and isn't just trying to waste their time	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 02:04 PM
2	Men being sexual predators, ladies men, and losers is all a part of the same source. And society perpetuates this. Why work 10x for someone thats not even going to be attracted to them for real. That person will be less attracted to you than they would be if you were hot, but they're still going to be attracted to you for real. Just because it's not the highest form of attraction it doesn't mean it's not there. It's like saying "why should I work if i'm not going to be a millionnaire"... you work because you don't need a million dollars to be happy, most people find happiness with less. Most people will neve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 10:05 AM
2	Men being sexual predators, ladies men, and losers is all a part of the same source. And society perpetuates this. You're like a breath of fresh air, you have common sense that so many of the people in this sub lack, jeez.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 09:57 AM
1	Men being sexual predators, ladies men, and losers is all a part of the same source. And society perpetuates this. No, ugly and awkward men are not predators just for appraching but they need to develop self-awareness and approach in ways that work for them aka less aggressive ways. Same for ugly women, you're not gonna attract men by wearing a sexy dress like the pretty girl would, but you develop other skills to attract, you learn how to be subtle and charming. But when redpillers hear you're going to have to work harder if you're not less hot, they decide they need to just give up because all people want …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 09:43 AM
4	Men being sexual predators, ladies men, and losers is all a part of the same source. And society perpetuates this. Women describe themselves in abstract rules all the time, it's just not the same rules that the red pill teaches sometimes because the red pill isn't always right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 09:36 AM
–	Where does this idea that looks don't matter really come from? "Obviously the answer is (money/status/land)," ...Or the answer is that they like each other's personalities. That's what normal people think. You guys are obsessed with painting women as heartless golddiggers when sometimes the answer is simply that people get together because they enjoy each other's company. Everyone gets old and "ugly" are all old people in relationships manipulative and just mining for ressources?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 09:28 AM
–	Where does this idea that looks don't matter really come from? Why are you saying this like surgery isn't risky and crazy expensive	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 09:20 AM
1	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact So what if they don't want to do these jobs? There are feminine jobs that men don't want to do either and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to having their own interests. The original subject was the way men and women act in relationships, not in the professional world. It does not make sense to say you refuse to take on feminine roles in relationships because women refuse to take on masculine jobs in the professional world, these are two completely different domains. The fact is that women are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 09:17 PM
0	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact They still want men to do those. What women are clamoring for only men to do these jobs? Most women don't give a crap who does it. If a woman decides to do that job, she is perfectly free to do so. In fact taking care of kids and the elderly gets physically taxing and "dirty" too and it's mostly women who do that, so clearly women don't think they're above dirty taxing jobs. Most men aren't in blue collar jobs in the west and men are absolutely free to not do these jobs if they don't want to. Me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 06:45 PM
10	Telling people to be single is a form of mate suppression Being as happy as possible certainly is the end goal of life for most people. In fact wanting to reproduce even when it makes you miserable and your progeny is going to be miserable too is actually pretty weird.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 06:11 PM
–	Why so many men suddenly became undesirable? Stay at home wives are really rare, stay at home mothers aren't and they are providing value, childrearing is value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 06:01 PM
4	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact Then these same men complain about women "being too masculine", like it's a crime for a woman to be awesome? Women should just want to be lame? Lmfao what a load of crap	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 05:53 PM
-1	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact women don't want to be a balance of masculine and feminine in a relationship. It seems like they want to stick to the feminine role. So according to you women aren't taking on part of the masculine role women decided they didn't need that and wanted to be independent from men. You see it all the time on this sub. So women DO take on part of the masculine role (working and independence) You're contradicting yourself. You just sound bitter that women want self-reliance like a normal functional adu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 05:50 PM
1	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact Lmfao the bitterness... but do you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 05:44 PM
2	Men need to be a compilation of masculine and feminine traits in order to be successful in relationships and they are having trouble grasping that fact Women did not "took on some men's roles" they stole the best parts of it What male roles do you think women "stole" and need to give back?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 05:42 PM
0	It's not going to get better You don't seem willing to have an honest conversation about women's behavior either since you avoid saying what that "behavior that needs regulating" is so badly...	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 02:23 PM
0	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? It is also extremist when you're shoving marginal and corner cases to try to explain away the rule and the norm. How do you know those are "marginal and corner cases"? You don't. You believe it because of anecdotal evidence and because it allows you to victimize yourself. You have no proof yet state your own belief as fact. You're exactly what you criticize. The vast majority of divorces are initiated by women because women want that. And you have no idea of why they want that... maybe in many c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 07:27 AM
-1	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? That's what so many women have you believe the game is. Not all, but like, a whoooooole lot. It's mostly terminally online women though. Or women from third world countries who objectify men financially as a compensation for being objectified physically for their youth and beauty themselves	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 07:21 AM
–	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? No, they look down on the usage of slave labor by companies. Doesn't stop us from making the purchase. There are no phone companies that don't use slave labor so customers don't really have an alternative to go to if they want a phone. If they had an alternative, they would go there. It is arguably still hypocritical to buy from these slave labor companies because we could all choose to simply not buy phones at all in protest, but that would come at a huge cost to us, hence why we keep buying fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 07:16 AM
-3	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? Except it is true. The vast majority of divorces are about money. And nearly all divorces are initiated by women. You don't need to be super smart to put two and two together. This is incredibly simplistic logic. Just because women initiate most divorces doesn't mean that they're the ones that wanted the divorce more, men are more likely to abandon the marriage without divorcing and put their partner in the position where she has to file for divorce even if it originally wasn't her idea (a succe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 06:14 AM
1	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? It's not just a "minority of ideal cases" where women care about things other than income and fall for a guy with less income. Especially wealthy women (like the ones described in the OP), since they have such a hard time finding a man that is wealthier, are probably more likely to settle (although it's hard to find statistics around that). It's extreme to think that wealthy women would be more likely to choose to die alone and let humanity go extinct than simply pair up with a guy who makes les…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 11:36 PM
2	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? In a world as described where most women are wealthier than men and it's hard to find a man wealthier than her, I think a woman would be open to a man that doesn't raise her status, it surely beats being alone forever and women want companionship and love too. Status is attractive, but not having it is not the death sentence that redpillers make it out to be. There's multiple examples of celebrity women that married a lower-status man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 11:02 PM
1	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? That's a super broad definition of hypergamy that makes every relationship hypergamous because there are no relationships where one of the partners isn't "better than the other at something in particular"... No two people are identical. I struggle to think of a relationship where a guy got together with a woman who was below him in every particular way (and I doubt you can point out one), does that mean men are hypergamous too? (And there's plenty of relationships where the woman earns more than…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:52 PM
3	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? Yes they are though, especially in a guy who also has an interesting personality. I don't know why you think women are so much more different than men in that regard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:16 PM
3	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? It's really sad how much people here believe that income determines a man's entire worth... Do you really think women would not still get with men simply because they fell in love? Do you really think that if you lose your income you automatically lose your wife? That's so untrue lol. There are other factors that play a role in women's attraction, like similar values and interests and physical attraction. This sub gets so extremist about the idea that relationships are all 100% built on shallow …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:12 PM
1	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? Would you be in a loyal long term relationship with a man who earns less than you though	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:09 PM
1	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? "which a younger/pretty boy cannot because again, looks are not enough to warrant female attraction" Looks are definitely enough to warrant female attraction, why do you think redpillers are constantly complaining about Chad getting all the girls	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:06 PM
1	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? There's plenty of examples of women not being hypergamous, starting with all the relationships that currently exist where the woman is the breadwinner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:05 PM
0	How would dates and marriages work If the average woman was much wealthier than the average man? Why would they cheat on that Chad? She has money and a hot dude, what more is there to want? She would probably stay and be loyal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:02 PM
4	The blue pill gives you a better shot at happiness, for less cost, than the red pill. "Women will provably pick an above average guy who is a serial cheater over an average loyal guy" that's a little extreme. Most people end up running away from cheaters, male and female, even if the cheater is hot. The only exception I see is if the man is rich and she doesn't have her own money maybe, and even then...	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 07:23 PM
2	The blue pill gives you a better shot at happiness, for less cost, than the red pill. A lot of women want masculinity not "toxic masculinity".	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 07:21 PM
1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? You said they learned it from women, that's blaming women. In any case, your original statement was a lie.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 03:48 PM
2	Men’s Dating Struggles Dont Get Taken As Seriously Because Many People Are Simply Uncomfortable With Criticism of Women According to the research behind the women are wonderful effect, women were only rated higher on communal/pro-social traits, they're not necessarily viewed as more wonderful in other areas like competence and leadership. The way this study is framed is really misleading, no, it's not true that people find women more wonderful in every area and there are certain domains where people ARE very open to acknowledging that women aren't that great and can hear criticism about it. Notice how that wikipe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 03:45 PM
0	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? So men do care. You can blame women for it all you want if it makes you happy but it's a lie that "men generally don't care".	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 03:07 PM
1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? " If you don't think being an assembly worker is a good career, how cone you use power tools" This is not the same. You can like doing something but not like it enough to make a career out of it. "If you have a problem with slave labor, how come you have a phone?" It's not the same situation at all. People who have phones don't LOOK DOWN on slaves. "If you think working at McDonalds is a dead end job, why are you still eating there?" Thinking mcdonalds is a dead end job is not the same as lookin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 02:18 PM
4	Andrew Wilson's Force Doctrine: Men have a monopoly on force. Thus, the patriarchy will always exist, because women must ALWAYS appeal to men for their rights. "Women thinking they don't have equal rights at this point in society places the blame for this lack of equal rights on men. " No it doesn't, there's plenty of sexist women out there too	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 08:03 AM
2	Andrew Wilson's Force Doctrine: Men have a monopoly on force. Thus, the patriarchy will always exist, because women must ALWAYS appeal to men for their rights. "recognize and respect" that how? Not being physically abusive is the bare minimum. Do you recognize and respect that a woman with a gun could kill you but doesn't	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 08:02 AM
20	Andrew Wilson's Force Doctrine: Men have a monopoly on force. Thus, the patriarchy will always exist, because women must ALWAYS appeal to men for their rights. How do they not contradict each other... if you know your rights can get taken away at any time, naturally you're going to be constantly afraid even without it being "deception"	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 07:56 AM
0	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? If men "dont care" why do they call these women degrading names like "whore" and "slut"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 07:45 AM
-1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? What names do they call them? Is there a specific word to designate betabuxx men just like there is for "whores, sluts, hoes, etc"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 07:44 AM
7	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? Such a lie.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:26 PM
0	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? They dont have zero respect for them they're just not attracted to them, it's not the same. They dont call these men degrading names like men do with sex workers	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:20 PM
3	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? The pro sex work women are not the same women who do the shaming. But the same men who look at porn allso call the women in there "whores" and other degrading names	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:16 PM
–	The only way to successfully flirt is to be physically attractive How attractive the woman finds you makes a difference, sure, but also being suave and socially skilled does. Are you witty? Do you have things in common with her that you can banter about? That's a big part of it. From what you said it doesn't seem like you did anything wrong (2 phone numbers is not nothing!) but cold approaches like this also mostly depend on what context you do them in. Are you approaching these women at social functions where approaching is the norm (like a bar)? Or doing so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 07:18 PM
0	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. That's not true. I just asked chatGPT and it says : Tinder Stats Some Tinder statistics sources say men get 1 match per 40 likes on average. thedatingring.com+2ROAST+2 According to a Tinder-usage site, 52% of men get less than one match per day. ROAST Another source claims the “average number of Tinder matches a guy receives per day is 1–2.” Put effort into adding a proper bio and good pictures and you should match with at least some people. A lot of men online are exaggerating how hard men have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 06:12 PM
–	Help me understand the "not girlfriend material" phenomenon Women only hate body count discussions because they're almost always going to have more bodies than the men they're trying to date. Yeah no, they hate it because there's always someone who's gonna pop up talking about locks and keys and how women who sleep around are sluts but men who do are studs, despite what the data says	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 06:01 PM
1	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy "Just get good? Either way when the guy finds out there is nothing there past occasional sex, don’t blame him." Just get good at what? There's nothing you can do to make a guy stay with you if he doesn't like what you have to offer. You can be "good" at many things and still get rejected by the guy because he just doesn't care about the things that you're good at. Compatibility is something that is there or isn't, you don't "get good" at being compatible with someone, you get lucky. Plenty of me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 04:40 PM
2	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. OLD makes things easier, it gives you access to people you would've never met otherwise. I think you're stuck on the idea that men get a low number of matches on OLD when really it's normal to not get a ton of matches on OLD because most people are not compatible with you for a LTR so it wouldn't make sense for an average man to get many matches. Women's number of matches is highly inflated by the number of men who swipe right on everyone and men who swipe on women they hope to sleep with but wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 04:36 PM
1	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. "These top-tier dudes are the only ones getting multiple chances because they got the first chance which the average dude never gets " That's a lie. Most men get married and have kids. The average dude definitely gets a girlfriend at some point. The average dude gets multiple chances.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 03:56 PM
4	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. So if you make the same mistake over and over and over she's supposed to just let it slide? Mentioning what happened 5 years ago is just a way of expressing that "it's been going on for so long, I don't think it's going to change".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 03:54 PM
-1	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. "The only guys that are getting multiple chances are the top-tier dudes. " Wrong. You get multiple choices from someone if that person likes you. You don't have to be a top-tier dude to be a liked, you just have to be compatible with her. This idea that most men are just scared little innocent angel jumping through hoops to make their girlfriends happy without ever pushing back because they treasure her so much is so out of touch with reality, plenty of men take their girlfriend for granted, esp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 03:26 PM
4	People do give men a bunch of chances before giving up on them. If she breaks of with you over you forgetting your relationship anniversary 5 years ago, you most likely forgot other important things since then and that thing 5 years ago is just one item on a long list. If you keep making mistakes over and over, it's not "random" a lot for people to mention the moment you started making them to highlight how long it's been going on. It's not about holding a grudge, it's about showing that there's a pattern.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 03:20 PM
5	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy "If you ask too many questions it will turn men off." It will turn the wrong men off. Men who are looking for something serious certainly understands that most women don't want to put out without getting committment in return. So If your goal is to bag a high quality man that wants committment, asking questions before having sex is definitely the best strategy. The men who run off because you asked questions would have run off after sex anyway even if you didn't ask questions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 11:31 AM
4	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy "But most of my exs have come from first night lays those women captivated me from the start. It’s a power not all women have but they all think they do." Women hear about how guys only want them "for one thing" their entire lives, they know very well that captivating a man's attention beyond sex is not something easy. "I think having sex early is actually the better strategy since the guy won’t be under a spell so to speak and he will be actually there mentally and emotionally." Yeah, and she'l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 09:57 AM
2	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy 'most women aren’t that cool to be around without sex." Aka you don't like her you just want to sleep with her. Thanks for confirming that the OP is in the wrong (when it comes to you).	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 09:53 AM
5	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy Because they want to marry a chaste woman but also have tons of sex with other "non-marriageable" women they call sluts. They want their cake and to eat it too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 09:52 AM
9	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy women tend not to become cool, funny or interesting because you don’t need to. Such bullshit. You certainly need to become cool, funny, interesting if you want to have serious long term relationships with interesting people, which is what most women look for and work towards. You guys are so delulu talking about a reality where women get picked by quality men just because they have a vagina.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 09:48 AM
7	"Does he like you or does he just wanna sleep with you?" - The false dichotomy You never have to play it cool, always look out for your own interest, ask early on if he wants something serious, even if he tries to make it out like you're crazy or too clingy, that's just him trying to silence you he's not actually making any sense	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 09:43 AM
1	Women should compete for the Provider Position If they feel Men Have It Easier. A man cant overpower a group of men but can overpower one or two men, so yes it still has relevance Lesbian couples should exist otherwise they cant be in a relationship where theyre attracted to their partner, which would also be a problem	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 09:04 AM
0	Women should compete for the Provider Position If they feel Men Have It Easier. Because women are still the physically weaker gender who bear most of the reproductive burden. It makes sense to look for a man who can protect them when they're vulnerable, even if you are a feminist and you generally believe in equality in every other domain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/11/25 09:49 PM
14	Women should compete for the Provider Position If they feel Men Have It Easier. They choose the support role because if they take on the provider role, they're taking on 2 roles (providing + making babies) whereas male providers only take on 1 role (providing), since they don't get pregnant. If there were artificial wombs, you'd probably see a lot more of them choosing the provider role.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/11/25 09:39 PM
5	Women are more attracted to social status than social skills. Again, you're mostly talking about women who don't really like you. Would you really want a woman who thinks you're boring as fuck but stays with you because she knows you have connections to people in the White House? Then when people ask her why she likes you she doesn't say "he's fun to be around, I care about the stuff he talks about" but instead she says "a lot of people like him and I might need help from these people one day"? Do you think a woman who says the latter is a woman that actua…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 01:25 PM
2	Women are more attracted to social status than social skills. women don't like to judge their own feelings Jesus, such bullshit. And your entire post is based on that bullshit premise. Psychology is more popular among women than men. Why would that be true if women don't like to be in touch with their own feelings? Analyzing their feelings is what any mature adult does, women included. The simplest way to put it is that women pretty much only care about what you make them feel, and not what you mean, How you make them feel depends on what you mean though. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 10:20 AM
1	Women are more attracted to social status than social skills. I think you understand what I was trying to say the best. I just feel like it takes one whiff that you're a loser that doesn't get women for any smooth talk to go out the window. lol Not if the girl cares about having a long term relationship with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 10:14 AM
3	Women are more attracted to social status than social skills. This is not true, most of people in a relationship spend a lot of time alone together, how is status going to help you when you're all alone with your girl? Status means being able to command respect from other people, but having respect is a pretty basic thing, it doesn't do much to entertain or make you interesting. Social skills actually make you interesting, it means you know how to have a fun conversation, not make her feel insecure or uncomfortable, make her laugh, keep her entertained whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 10:12 AM
1	Women Don't "Mature" faster than men They measured how honest men and women are. Testosterone affects mens honesty greatly. It's one reason the high T jaw is such a strong attractor. Who measured "how honest men and women are" and proved that testosterone makes people more honest? In what study? You posted no link, no proof, no anything. Do you really expect me to believe it just because chocobolamo says it? Lmfao, who do you think you are? Like don't blame the messenger and get all triggered. It's totally insecure. This is reddit.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 09:57 AM
–	Women expanded their gender role to include what women traditionally do and what men traditionally do. A lot of men are rejected by society because they dont want to do anything In 2025 in first world countries it's very unlikely that "there aren't other jobs around him", there were other jobs he just choose that job anyway because the pay was good and he felt like he was capable of doing it. And even when the wife cannot work, he could still pick another job with a low barrier of entry like customer service or retail or fast food, but these men choose blue collar because they'd rather do blue collar, that's all. They can always say "no", most women would understand it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 09:48 AM
2	Women Don't "Mature" faster than men It's not a claim? it's literally just true. That's how testosterone works. Put away your fembot triggers and be rational and look it up yourself. You are embarrassing yourself. Testosterone makes you care more about justice? Where is your proof for that? I'm not being "trigger and irrational" lol, I'm just not believing something just because some random redditor said it with no evidence to back it up whatsoever. You made that claim, so the burden of proof is on you. I don't need to go research …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 09:36 AM
2	Women Don't "Mature" faster than men What does that have to do with you claiming that boys care about justice pore than girls?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 06:56 AM
6	Women Don't "Mature" faster than men And girls don't care about justice? Lmao. I seriously doubt that everytime boys are disruptive, it's because they're "fighting against injustice" or that girls don't speak up when there's actually somethin unjust going on. Kids in general are disruptive even when there's nothing "unjust", they just like testing a teacher to see if the teacher has a backbone and can survive harassment	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 10:39 PM
5	Women Don't "Mature" faster than men Huh? How are these similar? There's nothing immature about praising a person for doing something good that is productive (like sitting quietly, and thus not bothering others doing their job and having the self-control to not be disruptive).	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 10:32 PM
–	Women expanded their gender role to include what women traditionally do and what men traditionally do. A lot of men are rejected by society because they dont want to do anything Men don't do these jobs because of gender roles, they do these jobs because they want to make money, that's all. You guys need to drop that narrative that men are doing dangerous jobs purely out of self-sacrifice for society, no, they do it for the money and because testosterone makes people less risk-averse. Nobody's forcing men to do these jobs, they do it out of their own volition. And most women still become mothers, so women are still doing their gender role in that sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:49 PM
–	Women expanded their gender role to include what women traditionally do and what men traditionally do. A lot of men are rejected by society because they dont want to do anything http://pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Most people (male and female) marry someone in the same socio-economic circle. Women do marry men who work the same job. There are studies that show that women tend to be with men who make more than them, but I'd wager that's because women work less in general, since they tend to stay home to take care of the kids more. So if you marry a girl that doe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:47 PM
–	Women expanded their gender role to include what women traditionally do and what men traditionally do. A lot of men are rejected by society because they dont want to do anything Exactly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:40 PM
6	Q4M: what makes a woman not marriage material? Marriage is your only goal in life? So if you don't get married, what are you gonna do with your life?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:35 PM
2	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? If your physique is really that nice, congratulations for all the work you put in in the gym! Wear that shirt that shows of your shape when you can, but at social functions it's important to follow the dress code. If it's a really formal dress code and you pop up with just a shirt on just to show off your body, you'll come across as vain for example. If you're going to go for the shirt, pic something with interesting patterns on it sometimes, don't just wear the same all white/all black one. Als…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:30 PM
3	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Maybe you're surrounded by the wrong people lol. I see lots of guys wearing sweaters and nice overshirts and pants that fit (not those ones that are too big) and it's nice to look at. Nicer to look at than the ones wearing shirts with cartoons/anime drawings on them and old washed out jeans that look dirty (many guys dress like this too).	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:21 PM
3	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? If you're trying to be charming to more people, wearing better clothing is a good solution. If you don't care what other people think then sure, wear whatever you want, wear a trash bag even, but then you shouldn't be surprised that people aren't attracted to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:17 PM
6	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Not much but it has something to do with this man saying that not being fat is the only effort a woman needs to put into her appearance. Also I never told you to dress like a waiter lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 08:02 PM
3	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Yes, clothing is part of the problem. Yes, extremely attractive people (male or female) get a pass on dressing badly sometimes, but most people aren't extremely attractive. For a non-extremely-attractive person clothing certainly is very often the problem. I told this guy to "wear that shirt" if he's so in shape, but I'm realizing even then some people might think he's underdressed and that's a problem. Less people will think that than if he wasn't in shape put but it's still a problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:56 PM
1	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Didn't realize it was a man, I found it by googling ugly woman. Anyway, my point is that there certainly are women who aren't deformed that aren't pretty. That's a fact that most people know, only redpillers like to pretend that it doesn't exist because they can't handle that it contradicts their idea that women live life on easy mode.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:50 PM
2	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? If you have a body worth showing off then sure, wear that shirt, but most men are not in shape so they wear that shirt without having a body that's worth showing off. Also if you're really, really in shape, it's going to show even in a dress shirt, as long as you don't pick a size that's too big. But you can also wear a regular shirt with an overshirt on top so as to show off your pecs and abs while also wearing something more interesting than just a shirt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:44 PM
2	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Good luck with that lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:13 PM
–	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative That's such bullshit. Biologically speaking, men are the gender that provides physical security to their offspring. Sometimes they provide that security by fighting to death, sure, but in times where there is no war (like right now, and the past decades), men are simply expected to specialize in something, anything, that makes money and then they won't be disposable. Like, do you really think that if people in a small village had to choose between saving the life of an uneducated woman or the li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:13 PM
4	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? What example	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 06:57 PM
4	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Because it's boring af and it shows that you don't care about giving people an interesting experience with you. Unless there's something really cool about the shirt, which, most of the time there isn't. Same for the pants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 06:16 PM
1	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Men do care. Would you date this non-deformed, non-accidental face : https://imageresizer.com/nl/meme-generator/bewerken/ugly-face	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 06:14 PM
9	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? Because it matters. Would you be fine with a girl who doesn't shave her unibrow? Or her armpits? With bad acne that she doesn't try to fight? And missing teeth that she refuses to go to the dentist for? And a ridiculous haircut? And who wears clothes that don't fit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 06:12 PM
12	Would you prefer if men put as much effort into their looks as women, or if women put as little as men? When you say professional, but comfortable, are you considering any clothing that would create visibility of butt cheeks, or outlines of butt cheeks? r/oddlyspecific	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 06:07 PM
2	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? I want honesty and I also want to be able to respond honestly to what you say when you're being honest. Both are not mutually exclusive. We should both get to be honest. Kudos for you for being honest. You said "but it goes against what most women are looking for" without explaining why it goes against what women look for, so I simply completed your statement for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 05:54 PM
1	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. Even if it's rare for women to meet guys that are strongly opposed to their ncount, it still happens and for these women, they are indeed impacted by their ncount for the rest of their lifetime, which is what the OP posited. I still don't think it's that rare. I think you minimize the discipline that goes into having a low n count, especially when you live in an area that has a lot of attractive men or manipulative men who make you think they love you just to sleep with you. 4 is just an average…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 04:40 PM
1	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? The "bare minimum" costs more for women than men, that's why so many women ask for more : having sex comes with more risk of STD, pregnancy and reputational damage for women, being around men comes with more risk of assault for women, having kids comes with huge physical labor for women that men don't have to do and investing your time in one man also comes with more stress for women because their attractiveness has a shorter shelf life, why shouldn't women ask for more when they invest more?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 04:12 PM
–	Women want to date confident charismatic alpha males but think that men who listen to alpha male stuff are misogynist. The ability to study and learn and apply concepts that didn't come naturally to you is also a desirable genetic trait. A man who improves his social skills from a podcast has that trait, so it's a good thing. I don't think women are keeping men from improving themselves because they only want the naturals at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 10:12 PM
–	Women want to date confident charismatic alpha males but think that men who listen to alpha male stuff are misogynist. Fresh & Fit are very disrespectful to their guests, sometimes they kick out someone if she says something they don't like to hear, no woman that respects herself wants to put herself in a position to be treated this way, so it attracts airheads more, it's not a representative sample of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 10:07 PM
–	Women want to date confident charismatic alpha males but think that men who listen to alpha male stuff are misogynist. Plenty of men push back against discourses about unflattering aspects of men, it's not true that men are always so comfortable with being called out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 10:04 PM
–	Women want to date confident charismatic alpha males but think that men who listen to alpha male stuff are misogynist. That "underclass" theory is projection, it's men that have a madonna-whore complex where they want an underclass of sluts and a separate class of chaste women worthy of marriage. That way they can have lots of sexual variety while also having a loyal chaste woman to settle down with. Women don't gain anything from having an underclass of lonely men, especially since these men are more likely to turn bitter and violent towards women. The more men learn to be charming and successful and socially s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 10:00 PM
–	Women want to date confident charismatic alpha males but think that men who listen to alpha male stuff are misogynist. Podcasts teaching confidence are not bad, podcasts teaching misogyny are bad and oftentimes these two overlap. Nobody thinks it's bad for a man to listen to a podcast about being successful and confidence if the podcast doesnt have misogyny in it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 09:52 PM
2	Is this sub basically a Women's echo chamber Now ? The only problem is that one side is objectively right, and the other is objectively evil Are you saying that the men's side is always objectively right and the women's is always objectively evil? Lmfao...	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 09:23 PM
2	Simps are the problem. The 18 people who upvoted seem to agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 08:53 PM
1	Most men are not interested in romance. They just like to have a woman around and have sex with her. Thoughts? When the domestic and emotional labor is equal, you can see that women are still passive Someone who is doing emotional and domestic labor is not "passive", they're clearly doing something... And women have a great time in that environment too. And women don't want sex as much as men, yes that's a fact, but they still want it in most cases. (I guess you meant "lots of sex" instead of "lots of death"?)	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 08:50 PM
5	What do you think of dating or having relationships with muscular guys? This is such an oddly specific question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 06:56 PM
6	Men have been gaslit into believing all jealousy is toxic, and women are reaping the rewards This.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 06:43 PM
3	Simps are the problem. Plenty of non-sociopathic people have short term relationdships for fun, that's not a problem as long as everyone is honest, but go off my dude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 06:40 PM
5	Simps are the problem. Being dumb has nothing to do with it and I never said all women do it. This is about women who have short term relationships. Just because a guy doesn't want a long term relationship it doesn't mean he's a "bad" guy. I meant "not reciprocate her feelings" by "break her heart", not that he would play her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 06:15 PM
6	if men dislike high maintenance women then how come they are still pursuing them? Men say they want low maintenance but if you're too low maintenance they start taking you for granted and getting bored	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 05:37 PM
7	Simps are the problem. If a girl wants to sleep with someone and she knows he's going to break her heart and leave afterwards, she might as well ask for him to provide to make the heartache worth it, why would she do that for free if the point is to have a serious relationship based on non-shallow traits though then it's different	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 05:35 PM
7	Women can't keep blaming men for poor household behavior if they're the ones raising them that way. My parent's generation was fine with men's contribution to the household. Your friends are seriously letting their sons do whatever but telling their daughters only to do domestic labor?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 04:50 PM
0	Women Don't Actually Put More Effort Into Dating. Yes, sure, as if you would date a woman who sits and does nothing. You know very well men want more than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 04:46 PM
-2	Women Don't Actually Put More Effort Into Dating. dating is stupid easy for women. And it isn't because they put in more effort It's because dating is like ordering a Pizza to them. But the Pizza is free and will be delivered to their house anytime they want. Dating is easy for none if you're looking for a serious partner to spend your life with. The overwhelming majority of people are not compatible with you to be able to have a successful LTR whether you're male or female, so everybody has to put themselves out there and fail a lot before the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 04:45 PM
32	Women can't keep blaming men for poor household behavior if they're the ones raising them that way. those men were raised by a past generation, the women who are complaining aren't the same women who did the raising. I doubt that the women who are complaining today will be raising their boys to not do domestic labor and to think it's a female job	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 04:40 PM
1	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? Yes money is attractive, I'm not denying that, I just don't think it can turn "some interest all the way up" like you said. These women want men who have money AND who are also very interesting in other ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 01:32 PM
0	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? AWALT just means most women are hypergamous and prefer masculine men, it doesn't mean all women have the same values and interests.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:52 PM
1	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. The woman would not want such a man from her side of things and wouldn't come into the situation of having to lie to get that man to commit to her. Since most men care about partner count, it's actually not statistically unlikely for a woman to end up in a situation where she wants to be with a man who cares about partner count. Keeping n count low requires discipline and being disciplined is not easy. A promiscuous woman can end up wanting a man who cares about n counts the same way women who s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:50 PM
1	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? For me the "bare" is stuff like... treating me and others with respect and kindness, being able to regulate your emotions, being (mostly) responsible with money, living a (mostly) healthy lifestyle, and sitting on the same side of the isle as me politically. Yes, that + having some hobbies or topics that they're passionate about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:23 PM
2	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? Um no, especially not with women who have their own money. Most people who can afford not to will not commit their entire lives to being with someone they only have "some" interest for, doing that is very boring and draining.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:21 PM
7	Q4W: What qualities do you look for in men that you don't consider "bare minimum"? They don't put in the effort to vet their partners, aren't honest about what they're looking for, then they blame the woman they're with for not being what they're looking for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:16 PM
20	Simps are the problem. Red pill men : "women bring nothing to the table except sex and beauty" Beautiful sexual woman : if I'm not gonna be valued for anything else, I'll value men for how much they provide then. Provider man : gives beautiful sexual women what they want as a fair exchange Red pillers : "what a sIMp!! He's the problem!!" ...okay. Don't be surprised that women don't improve their personalities if they're constantly being told that it doesn't matter. I don't think you guys realize how much of that femal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:08 PM
2	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. Having to lie to your lifelong partner about something they care about a lot is definitely a big impact to anyone who has a conscience, yes. Maybe you personally are morally bankrupt and you don't mind being a liar, but it's not just "uncomfortable" it's something that profoundly nags at a person mentally and creates a shitload of cognitive dissonance if they're a halfway decent person. It's not fair to minimize lying like you do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 11:47 AM
8	For men, it isn't truly about sex. Having social proof helps but not having it is not a death sentence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 03:30 AM
4	For men, it isn't truly about sex. It's what I experienced firsthand throughout middle school and high school. Movies just confirmed what I already knew. Everyone is an asshole in high school. Those boys were young and immature. Once you grow up it changes. Sorry you had to go through that though. You mean to tell me you wouldn't be wondering why, if he's so great, has no woman wanted ever wanted to fuck him? Maybe he's not as great as you thought he was? Nah because I know that sex and dating is a number's game, it's not easy. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:34 AM
2	For men, it isn't truly about sex. At best, his friends will stop respecting him and treat him like a kid brother they have to babysit. Would you treat a guy like that if you found out he was a virgin? No? So why do you assume other people will? Most people would act just like you and they wouldn't care, dude. Have you actually seen men treat each other like this in real life or is your view all based on what you see in movies? Movies exaggerate and fabricate things to be entertaining, they don't reflect real life. Losing all res…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:17 AM
2	For men, it isn't truly about sex. Of course they would spend time getting to know the guy to find out what's up with that. If you had an awesome date with a woman and you're attracted to her and there's serious chemistry with her then you find out she's 30 and she's never been in a long term relationship, would you really just instantly reject her and never look back because of that red flag? Or would you push through because you know that finding someone you have great chemistry with is very rare and if you take chance on her t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 12:09 AM
6	For men, it isn't truly about sex. I don't think they care that much about the past. If you're off-putting physically or behaviorally, they won't suddenly find you attractive because they find out you managed to sleep with 20 girls. And if you're handsome or likeable, they won't suddenly not want you anymore because they found out you're a virgin. They'll wonder why you're still a virgin because it's unusual at 30, but if you spend enough time together and you're charming and it's obvious that you're a virgin because you were sim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 11:33 PM
2	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. You can choose to reveal it or not to reveal it. If you don't reveal it, the guy will most likely default to assuming it's high and lose respect for you, though. And not everyone is comfortable with lying, so yeah, it does impact her for a lifetime.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 10:57 PM
2	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. Yes they do. You're not wrong about that in some cases, I don't know why everyone is acting like it's never true. Here's an example right here : https://www.np.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/1e0dgb5/madonna_whore_complex/	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 10:55 PM
2	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. Nobody argues that sex with themselves degrades the woman they commit to. Some men certainly do. Here's an example: https://www.np.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/1e0dgb5/madonna_whore_complex/ However I don't know how widespread that phenomenon is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 10:54 PM
1	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. When I said "sharp" I meant it as a compliment, lol, but have a nice day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 10:53 PM
1	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. I don't think that's actually implied. Like, I think you're overreading the text. Gay men say it about men, lesbians say it about women, women say it about men, all usually with no regard for who even performed which sex act. "Fucking" is overwhelming used to talk about the act of the one who is not the receipient during sex, ie the man. There are exceptions but there's a non-negligeable trend there... Add to it that "fuck you" is also an insult and it makes sense to conclude that people general…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 10:51 PM
2	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. The problem with this is that it covers the man's spam of time within that relationship while for women it covers the span of their lifetime. A woman sleeping with a new man forever reduces her chances of finding another man to be with if it doesn't work out with that man (because it "stains" her in the eyes of other men), but a woman not sleeping with anyone most likely completely destroys her chances of finding any man to be with forever too (because almost no man will commit to a woman who re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 10:20 PM
2	If sex with Men degrades Women according to some Men ,then they should be ok with Women not having sex with men at all. Your responses were very sharp and the truth is that he doesn't have an answer to your question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 09:26 PM
1	For men, it isn't truly about sex. Nah, it's because it gives you access to money & relationships. Most of society will never have sex with you, they don't care what you do sexually, but most do care who your connections are and how much money you make because that's something they could benefit from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 08:45 PM
1	For men, it isn't truly about sex. This. It's not the virginity that's the problem, it's the reason behind it. Women don't reject perfectly normal, attractive, likeable men just because they happen to be virgins.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 08:29 PM
3	For men, it isn't truly about sex. The solution is to decouple the idea that a woman's lust is what fundamentally creates value in you as a man. You need to present convincing alternatives to their world view and perspectives that sufficiently explains their pain and grievances The alternatives are pretty obvious though, does a man lose his job or lose his friends once people find out he's a virgin? No, I mean clearly employers and friends still value men regardless of their sexual experience so men have value fundamentally even …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 08:26 PM
-4	For men, it isn't truly about sex. Why would a woman glorify that? There's nothing glorious about that, but it doesn't mean she thinks you're "not a real man" if you've not had sex. Most women don't give a crap whether you've had sex or not. They might make a joke about it if they're immature, but most just don't care because why would they? They have their own lives to worry about and whether you've had sex has no influence on their lives whatsoever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 08:02 PM
2	What are the advantages and the drawbacks of marriages/relationships when the woman outearn the man? What if you and the man are both very wealthy, would you still feel that way if you earned 500k and him 300k a year for example? What if a man is ideal in every way and earning less than you is his only "flaw", would you still not want him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 07:55 PM
–	Women do care about men’s issues….. when it’s not sex related. Stimulant medication is addictive and should not be doled out easily. It needs to be a last resort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 06:24 PM
1	The manosphere will gloat about men having traits that they themselves don’t even possess. Alright, if your life is so sad that you need to mock women and babble about how superior men are behind your little keyboard on reddit to feel better, go ahead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 03:25 PM
1	The manosphere will gloat about men having traits that they themselves don’t even possess. Everything you said can also be explained by women simply being less interested in these fields. Just because you're not interested in doing STEM or being the best in your field it doesn't mean that you lack discipline and accountability, nothing proves that women don't have discipline and accountability and logic in domains that they are actually interested in. Becoming a billionnaire is also easier when you're not the primary caregiver of your kids, which women are more likely to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 01:58 PM
5	Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare state So? These kids become men who will forever benefit from having had a well-adjusted financially stable childhood. And women don't stay on wellfare forever. They tend to fall below the poverty line specifically when they have kids and the dad is a deadbeat, it's a very specific type of woman not just "women" in general that benefit so much from wellfare. It's a complex issue and you guys are trying to shoehorn simplicity into it just to make men look like victims and women like predators.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 12:21 PM
2	Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare state They don't just want "men" providing via taxes, they want PEOPLE providing via taxes. You guys need to stop acting like men are the only ones paying taxes (even if they're the majority), most women pay taxes too and the women on wellfare generally don't stay on wellfare all their lives. Also the men who contribute to taxes get to do that because they have women primarily raising their kids which is unpaid labor that men benefit from, so it makes sense for moms to be compensated for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 12:13 PM
6	Most feminists say they want equal rights, but also vote for the welfare state Why are you pretend there are no men with children on wellfare	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 12:05 PM
0	Most men are not interested in romance. They just like to have a woman around and have sex with her. Thoughts? Women DO find it valuable and enjoyable to just "chill" with their partners. They just Also think you're sexier when you go the extra mile to please them from tome to time. That extra mile can be going out of your way to entertain them but it also can be other things like buying them something they really need or helping with an important task. It doesn't have to be something sparkly and bombastic like the things children like. There's nothing childish about wanting a partner who "wants to do th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 10:59 PM
2	Most men are not interested in romance. They just like to have a woman around and have sex with her. Thoughts? Are you really complaining that someone wants to have entertaining moments with their partner? That's basically the reason why most people get a partner, it's to share fun experiences with them. Men can also get tired of being with a partner who doesn't want to do anything entertaining. They'll still sleep with her but want to replace her with someone else who they can sleep with who is Also fun if they get the chance. Women just want romance (quality time and acts of service) that reassures the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 10:42 PM
1	Are you afraid of being alone in your twilight years? What are you thinking about when you say "extremely accomodating"...	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 02:09 PM
2	Are you afraid of being alone in your twilight years? What are you thinking about when you say "extremely accomodating"...	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 02:08 PM
3	Men will absolutely do things that do not benefit them. The gym selfies are fine, show off your muscles but the bugatti is a bad idea, you'll attract golddiggers	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 01:57 PM
7	Men will absolutely do things that do not benefit them. Women (and people in general) only respond with dry texts if they're not interested, they absolutely do put in effort into conversations when they are	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 01:42 PM
1	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend Crazy certainly can be evil. Some men definitely also marry evil women if they're hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 06:19 AM
2	Most men are not interested in romance. They just like to have a woman around and have sex with her. Thoughts? How is it different? What does it look like?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 05:30 PM
3	Most men are not interested in romance. They just like to have a woman around and have sex with her. Thoughts? It's not unilateral. If you like a girl, you probably like her because she's pretty, interesting, kind, sexually available and does some form of emotional and domestic labor for you, there's work that goes in that too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 05:29 PM
1	You're Replaceable At 43:49 specifically, it addresses the fact that women file for most divorces and why.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 05:27 PM
2	Most men are not interested in romance. They just like to have a woman around and have sex with her. Thoughts? I don't think women need the man to be entertaining so much as they want entertaining things to do that they can share with that man. Like he said, you can go try new food together or go to a concert, the man doesnn't have to be the one making the new food or giving the concert, that would be too much pressure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 05:22 PM
0	You're Replaceable Exactly. Red pillers keep repeating the idea that it's just men over and over, it's like they get off to it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 04:45 PM
0	You're Replaceable You are spot on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 04:44 PM
-1	You're Replaceable Those statistics between gay men and lesbians could also mean that men are more likely to stay in bad relationships (out of desperation) whereas women actually take the leap of faith and leave when both people in the relationship are unhappy. You have no idea what the quality of those gay male relationships that don't break up are. As for the SSRIs, just because women take them more, it doesn't mean they're unhappier than men, it can simply mean that depressed men are less likely to look for tre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 04:36 PM
-1	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend Wow. You're hella triggered and saying that I "twisted your words" but you can't even point out where. You said "women are fine with evil". "Evil" includes extreme evil. If that's not what you mean, it's on you to point that out. And if you're gonna call me a "fucker" and threaten to block me over something so insignificant like a whiny little wimp you can go ahead and block me now instead of wasting both of our time, Jesus. Grow thicker skin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 03:11 PM
2	Men will use the “women just hate male sexuality” excuse when criticized displaying for selfish behavior. Breaking down and crying is inappropriate for any adult. People tolerate that more in women, but even then they'll only tolerate it once or twice. The healthy way to show emotion is to not break down and dump everything all at once, it's to slowly open up about little things and checking if the person on the receiving end is capable of handling it, which is what men are being advised to do instead of bottling it up and then breaking down in a spectacular, overwhelming way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 09:54 AM
2	Men will use the “women just hate male sexuality” excuse when criticized displaying for selfish behavior. What older forms of "active play" or active learning was scrapped in today's education? Education in the past was actually very rigid and authoritarian.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 09:50 AM
2	Men will use the “women just hate male sexuality” excuse when criticized displaying for selfish behavior. Why do you believe teachers grade girls more softly than boys? I've never heard that. Where is the proof?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 09:48 AM
1	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend Men also marry crazy women who are hot, it certainly does apply in romantic contexts too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 07:31 AM
0	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend Yes, because if a few women are deranged that means "women are deranged". Some men are serial killers (more men than women) does that mean I get to say "men are serial killers" ? You guys are so intellectually lazy. There are women who put up wiith extreme evil but they're the exceeption not the rule.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 07:29 AM
3	Do women realize that many adult men just don't have people they consider friends? Okay, so you don't have proof that women don't take accountability indeed. You keep repeating that women blame all their problems on men because "that's what you see", well I don't see that. Misogyny is a real thing and calling it out is not lacking accountability, just like calling out racism isn't lacking accountability. Also, blaming misogyny is not the same as "blaming men". Women can be sexist/misogynistic against other women too and they're called out for it too, they get called pickmes. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 07:27 AM
2	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend I only said something extreme to make my point clear. Just like a person who tortures kittens is gross, a lot of women would also be grossed out by a hot guy who is unnecessarily rude to waitstaff or has immoral political leanings. So yes, being "evil" certainly does matter to a lot of people. "evil" means "evil" not just "edgy". It also might differ by sex because men are more attracted to nurturing caring women. Normal women are also more attracted to caring men. There are certainly women who …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 10:15 PM
6	Do women realize that many adult men just don't have people they consider friends? any behavior or information you don't like to hear about women I didn't say that "any" negative info about women is prejudice, I just said that specifically the "women struggle more with accountability" one is. Basically, you have no proof that it's true that women struggle more with accountability, you're just pulling that shit out of your ass (probably because it's convenient). There's plenty of men out there that don't take accountability either and plenty of women who do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 10:06 PM
8	“Personally” is not a synonym for “nice meek pushover” Nah, you can be an extrovert in other ways. Cold approaches generally just don't work because more often than not the woman being approached is in the middle of doing something else and not interested in social contact with a stranger in that moment (unless you approach her at a bar or another social function).	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 09:16 PM
8	Do women realize that many adult men just don't have people they consider friends? There is a reason why women get the “lack accountability” label. Yes, sure because all the labels that people come up with are warranted, it's not like humanity has a long history of being unjustly prejudiced against groups of people. It's plenty of women out there who take accountability and plenty of men who don't. But if demonizing women makes you feel powerful in some way, go on being delusional I guess.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 09:06 PM
6	Women Keep Changing the Meaning of Psychology Terms to Avoid Self-Reflection ...Or maybe there actually are gaslighters and narcissists and emotionally unintelligent people out there. Nobody calls a man a narcissist just because he "disagreed with a woman", you're just making shit up. Sometimes people use these terms wrong, yes, but that's not a woman thing, it's a human thing. I once mentioned that making a list for shared chores can help avoid conflict, and someone said that was “treating your partner like a child.” That kind of thinking turns accountability into oppre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 08:57 PM
8	Do women realize that many adult men just don't have people they consider friends? You aren’t a woman to be blaming everyone else and the world for your problems; Yes, because that's what women do, sure. The casual misogyny is ridiculous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 08:48 PM
1	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend If you saw a hot woman brutally torture a kitten for fun would no part of you be less inclined to sleep with her afterwards? The normal answer to this question is "yes", evil people are just gross, I don't want them to touch me even if they're hot. That doesn't make me a moral puritanical enlightened guru, it's just a normal feeling that a lot of people share.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 08:44 PM
1	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend Not being evil isn't a factor for simply getting a girlfriend. Yes it is if you want short term relationships with people who have a moral compass, which a lot of people have. A lot of people get physically repulsed by a person after seeing them act like a douchebag.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 07:28 PM
1	Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women? On the planet that we live on. Women are disparaged for being "weak" and "childish" and "catty" and "overly dramatic" all the time (and that leads to certain people preferring male companionship). I have a hard time believing that you've actually never seen this phenomenon. And it's established that men have no in-group bias where? Most groups have an in-group bias, it's a natural human tendency. Don't you yourself gravitate more towards men than women in your life? This idea that men all hate a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 10:54 AM
0	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend "He can be a jerk and that will be cool too" No, not in the eyes of people who have a moral compass. Of course there are people who don't have that and they will forgive anything but that is not the norm. Just take a sincere look around you and the people you know, do you really believe the people you have around you would let someone get away with anything just because that person is hot?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 10:11 AM
2	Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women? Men are more likely to be viewed as a threat but people are also more likely to want to be around men because men have a reputation of being more competent, more useful for protection and "less dramatic/overly emotional". There are so many women out there who say they prefer to be friends with men than women because "men are less drama". Men also have advantages when it comes to connecting with others, not just disadvantages. The advantages and disadvantages even each other out. And men are most…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 10:07 AM
6	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend Yes, everyone, men included, let things slide more if someone is high status or wealthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 09:54 AM
3	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend And if they were tall confident handsome AND not evil, they would have access to even more women. So it's not true that "being evil is not a factor in getting a girlfriend".	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 08:46 AM
3	Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women? EVERYBODY struggles with being vulnerable, it's part of the human experience. Men only shoot themselves in the foot by convincing themselves and each other that it's a special problem that only they have. If you accept that it's something everyone struggles with you'll spend less time wallowing in victimhood and more time doing something about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 08:36 AM
3	Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women? So what if these women only work until they're 28? They still wanted to work and got to do so and now they have experience in the job market that they can use to re-enter th job market in case of a divorce or in case their husband's income is not sufficient. Having access to a job gives women SECURITY which is why it's a good thing and not a scam. Also the "women you know" don't represent all women. You can keep repeating that women should just stay home because it's "their iMpeRatiVe" until you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 08:32 AM
–	Confidence is something you are born with Plenty of women get mocked for being weak and shy. Those are traits that tend to make you less attractive whether you're a man or a woman. And, no, ugly women can not easily find a man who treats them well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 07:29 AM
5	Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women? It's not harder for men to make friends, just put yourself out there and practice your social skills just like women do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 07:20 AM
9	Do you believe relationships are riskier for men or women? A lot of women don't want to be teachers though. Women weren't "scammed" into entering corporate, they did it because they wanted to. Believe it or not, some women shockingly enjoy working outside the home in non-traditionally feminine jobs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 07:15 AM
-2	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative When women are ahead, the response isnt generally that men need to put in more effort, for the most part the answer is "I didn't know that women were ahead in these things". Most people don't know thàt women outnumber men to that extent in college for example. Red pillers love this narrative that people dont care about men's struggles, but most people don't even know that men are struggling at all, it's not that they don't care. When it comes to relationships though, from what I've seen, it trul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 12:06 AM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative One is more valued in that sense and the other one is more valued in another sense like how men are valued for being physically stronger... and valued for being the ones who can have kids WITHOUT having to get pregnant (employers like that).	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:27 PM
1	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative It doesn't matter whether a woman wants the breadwinner status for her kids or herself or her man, the fact is that she can actually like a man more because he's willing to support her in that. Also there's no proof that men don't also like being the breadwinner because they like the status for themselves first and foremost, too. The idea that women don't care about their partners who take paternity leave is something else you pulled out of your ass. Women are perfectly capable of caring about t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:24 PM
-1	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative The obvious response to your comment is that nobody cares if someone says "there are women who say [insert a crazy tweet]". People care if someone says that "women say [insert crazy tweet]" because, no, "women", in general, don't actually say that. Red pillers love to highlight crazy things a few women said and pass that off ass "female nature" and "this is how most women think" and that's wrong. And that's also why people talk about red pillers being socially challenged in some way and it matte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 11:10 PM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative They see "female counterparts pulling ahead" where? And people putting their finger on the scale for women where? You talked about no concrete example so what you said is not very meaningful. Sometimes women "pull ahead" because they're actually putting in more effort (like when it comes to the "male loneliness epidemic" that's probably due to men not putting as much effort into their relationships as women) and in these cases, yes it does make sense to be upset at men "tuning you out" if these …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 10:11 PM
1	Social skills are not actually advantageous in dating When people are aware of this in advance, they usually try telling me that being funny isn't actually a social skill. Who are these people who tell you this? Ask anywhere and most people certainly agree that being funny is a social skill. I mean, it's a skill, because not everyone can do it, and it's social, because someone else has to laugh at what you did. That's the basic definition of a social skill. The only way it would make sense for people to tell you it's not a skill is if your way of b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 06:10 PM
2	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative The bigger issue here, aside from it being subjective, is that women tend to follow their hearts, how they feel in the moment, and vibes over logic. Meaning it doesn't matter what she says, if you do something and she gets turned off by it or loses respect for the guy, it doesn't matter if it contradicts what she claimed earlier. No amount of logic is going to regain her attraction You guys are too obsessed with this idea that "women aren't logical" and you jump on any occasion to spread that pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 05:28 PM
1	Social skills are not actually advantageous in dating If you're drunk, most often, people can tell.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 05:02 PM
1	Social skills are not actually advantageous in dating Most people meet their partners at school or at work. Cold approaches don't generally work (unless you're extremely attractive probably) so it's absolutely normal that you got rejected 98 times in that context. Also, you don't explain other social skills biter had to make up for that. You say that people's answers when it came to that were "nebulous", but I seriously doubt so. Maybe they just gave you an answer you don't like? What did these people say exactly? Because a person can absolutely ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 05:02 PM
2	Are there any places on the internet you pretend to be a guy to get better advice or better treatment? Clocked, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 04:42 PM
-1	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative However, you could argue RP exaggerates things by focusing on women who fit the agenda at best. Yes, I could say that and I will because that is exactly what's happening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 04:31 PM
5	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative I didn't say men and women are the same, I said they are of equal value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 04:27 PM
1	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative It can be attractive to women depending on which women we're talking about. I'm sure there's plenty of women who love their job who are happy that paternity leave is a thing and they can go to their job without worrying about their partner losing theirs. And men love to say that "men are not soft like women, etc etc" then in the same breath they turn around and say that "men need more softness and emotional support (like women) and they don't have that right now that's why they kill themselves m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 03:43 PM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative I don't think all these stories are wrong (although some are probably exaggerated and in some stories the guy was rejected for other bad behavior but he blames it all on the fact that he cried openly that one time), but if these guys are so scared of opening up to their female partner, they should open up to their male friends or a therapist and a lot of men don't want to do that either. This ends with women being stuck dealing with a man who is stuck with his problems because he accepts help fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 03:24 PM
-5	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative There seems to be a male loneliness epidemic that is probably caused by the male gender role and a lack of skill from men when it comes to building and nurturing relationships. People in general seem to be lonelier though because of technology, not just men. "Men are trash" is mostly said as a reaction to misogyny and the fact that men commit most of the violent crimes, it's rarely said outside of these contexts. "Kill all men" is stupid and nobody says that offline. "Believe all women" is stupi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 03:05 PM
1	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative "When their boyfriend cries from getting laid off or other depressing events" See, that is another instance where red pillers take things to the extreme. Yes, women might tend towards prefering stoicism in a guy as a group but that doesn't mean they get the ick from guys crying about perfectly understandably sad events that are reasonable to be upset about like losing your job. It's more like crying over insignificant things like losing at a game or somebody irrelevant saying something kinda mea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 02:55 PM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative The emotional labor complaints that women make are usually aimed at men who don't open up and act out in immature ways instead of honestly expressing what the problem is, not the ones who open up too much. The complaint is about all the mental energy it takes to try multiple strategies to communicate with someone who doesn't want to put in the effort it takes to make themselves vulnerable even though the woman makes the effort. And the ones that open up too much generally get complains not just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 01:13 PM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative Yes. And even then most feminists don't spout hatred towards men, even implicitely. A lot of the stuff that they say is twisted to make them look like they hate men though, that I agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 01:01 PM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative Oh please. You know very well that a lot of redpillers don't just believe that "women are equally good/bad people", they believe that "women are worse people" and spread bullshit misinformation that women are incapable of rational thought, don't mentally mature past the age of 18, are incapable of love but men are etc. It is absolutely fair of feminists to push past these misogynistic ideas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 12:59 PM
-6	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative They are anomalies, yup. Most feminists are just regular people living their lives and looking for love with a man, too. Ask the ones on r/askfeminists if they hate men. Asks the women around you who call themselves feminists if they hate men. You'll have your answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 12:55 PM
5	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing But maybe they would pump and dump me if given a chance. Yes. You're jumping the gun if you say these men were "good" but you never got very far with them. You can't tell how "good" someone is if you don't know them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 10:34 AM
1	Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward men Why do I think what is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 10:31 AM
22	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative This question is misguidede because feminism and the red pill are not opposites. You can believe in red pill princisples and be feminists at the same time. Ther red pill explains what men and women find attractive. Feminism says that men and women are of equal value. These are two different subject.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 10:30 AM
0	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative The reasons feminists have given men are in the OP (even if the OP ridicules them). Those "empty platitudes about how men are allowed to cry" are not empty. Men should be allowed to cry. Feminists are the ones defending this notion, and it's something that benefits men. Just like the feminist idea that men should be able to be stay at home dads or do other traditionally feminine things if they want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 10:24 AM
10	Blue Pillers are feminists need to offer men a decent alternative Yes, they should. It's like saying "well, anti-racism mostly benefits Black people so so people shouldn't be surprised that White people don't care about being good allies"... If you're not an asshole you're going to be a good ally because it's the right thing to do. Or are you fine with White people opposing anti-racism just because it doesn't benefit them for example?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 10:19 AM
1	Why are you blue piller? What's the difference between blue pill and white pill?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 07:56 AM
1	Why are you blue piller? That's the positive feedback loop straight people don't have. Straight men have sex as an ultimate goal because it's so hard to achieve, and this causes extreme amounts of stress. Sex is not hard to get, it's literally something people can do with themselves... It seems like it's less about wanting sex and more about wanting validation from someone else and that's what's causing all this stress. As a straight person you can get platonic validation from your own gender and diminish the stress aro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 07:46 AM
2	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing Rampant sexism in the traditional sense is not necessary to get a society where a man can have a family and dedicate himself to it, so there's still no "irony" in feminism relying on a high trust developed society. Feminism/equality is not against having a normal family, it's not against one parent staying home taking care of the kids and one being the breadwinner, it's just against the idea that the one doing the former has to be the woman and the latter has to be the man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/25 07:32 AM
1	Men would rather roleplay as sigmas than bother cultivating social bonds. Are the parts of your appearance that cause you to get rejected immutable? If not, maybe you should look into changing them..	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 04:23 PM
1	Men would rather roleplay as sigmas than bother cultivating social bonds. It's not, though. Most people expect men to have social lives and at least have healthy friendships and they understand that emotional support from friends matters for everyone, including men. The red pill just likes to exaggerate how much people expect men to be hyperindependent superhumans, that's just not what anyone healthy expects from any human.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 02:33 PM
1	Men would rather roleplay as sigmas than bother cultivating social bonds. So someone literally told you your appearance is the problem? What did they say was wrong with your appearance? For anyone who dresses normally and has good hygene, it's very rare that they're gonna get rejected for platonic relationships because of the way they look.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 02:30 PM
1	Men would rather roleplay as sigmas than bother cultivating social bonds. What male only clubs have feminists banned? You can go ahead and create a male only club right now... Sounds like you're spreading misinformation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 02:27 PM
1	Women hurt themselves with their extremely high standards, not just the men. You don't want him to have manosphere beliefs? But you're pink pill, doesn't that mean you have manosphere beliefs yourself?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 02:03 PM
4	Dating market is monopolised by women and the infinite choice they've. Men will mold themselves to suit women and most men being jerk narrative is fake. Where are you getting this idea that most women find 90% of men too short? Just because they prefer men over 6 feet doesn't mean that they don't date anyone who is below that. Most people settle despite their preference. Plenty of men under 6 ft get into relationships, especially if they focus on only chasing girls that are shorter than them (which most girls are).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 01:44 PM
1	Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward men Or because women tend to be more charming because they are socialized to worry about what other people think and how to please them. Everybody is loved for what they offer and not just "who they are", women included.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 01:14 PM
5	Single moms are a negative for a man, and only widows should get an exemption. Never said they weren't. You chose to say "single moms" and not "single parent". It's fair to check if whatever you said about women applies to men too. It's pretty clear. If you don't want to engage, don't. Just don't mewl about it. I wanted to engage and I did. You don't have to mewl about what I said either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 01:08 PM
6	Why are you blue piller? Yes, a lot of redpill is an exaggeration of the truth that is presented in a way that is unnecessarily misogynistic. It makes sense that people don't want to associate with that. Like, even bluepillers mostly know that women generally prefer tall men, but when redpillers/blackpillers take that fact and decide that it means that shorter guys have absolutely no chance of finding a good partner and women are demons for having that preference, that's just taking it too far and it makes you not want …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:59 AM
7	Single moms are a negative for a man, and only widows should get an exemption. And single fathers are a negative for a woman. What's your point? What are you trying to achieve with this post?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:53 AM
1	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing The irony is that the entire possibility for feminism/equality etc. to exist is dependent on the stable, high trust society that evolved due to traditional western family values A stable, high trust That developed due to a lack of war and economic prosperity, you mean. Rampant traditional sexism isn't needed to achieve that society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:40 AM
5	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing No, they are not. Performative mainstream media does not reflect actual society. In the real world, women still have pressure to be pretty and sweet and accomodating and ladylike to avoid being called bitches and sluts. The reason why the media are so pro-women is to counteract mainstream sexism that is still very much alive. You probably don't interact with a lot of real women, hence why you're ignorant of this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:37 AM
3	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing Why on earth would you go out with someone who isn't charming? It's like you guys don't hear yourselves... Well, there's not enough charming and confident men to account for all the women who desire those traits. Well then the non-charming men need to work on becoming that instead of demonizing women for not wanting them. And men actually do care about a woman being charming actually, women are constantly reminded that they need to be charming aka "ladylike" and most of them work to be that and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:18 AM
27	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing Most men won't actively improve a woman's life. Exactly, these men act like just being in a relationship, any relationship, is a net positive even though it's obviously not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:14 AM
2	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing This take is such a good way to show that you have no idea how to build meaningful relationships with people, because if you did, you would've realized by now that most women get a lot of propositions from random men but they don't get a lot of propositions from compatible men aka committment-minded men with similar values and interests. You know, the non-superficial things that actually make a relationship worth it... But you're probably so shallow and unexperienced that you don't understand ho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 11:04 AM
2	What experiences or factors do you think drive some men to become incels ? When I tell woman after a first date that I like her a lot and want to see her more, ad early as possible - she doesn’t get the tension she needs and gets an ick instead. That's not just a woman thing, telling someone you like them is always risky whether that person is a man or a woman. It's just a very delicate thing to say because it puts the other person under pressure when they know that someone is observing them intently and if you tell it too soon it's odd because it makes you look desper…	/r/ExRedPill	04/11/25 10:48 AM
1	If older women keep complaining about men dating young Girls why they don't date younger men too ? Whether the advantages I listed outweigh the ones you outlined depends on the woman's tastes. There are absolutely older women who would value the things I listed more than what you listed. There are absolutely women who would go for a handsome lower status younger dude with less money over an old high status wealthy man with ED and baggage. These women would, most of them just can't.	/r/RedPillWomen	25/06/25 10:56 AM
1	In order for men to be successful in dating, they must transform into a commodity "difficult to do" and "excessive planning"? Huh? Not being indiscriminate about who you date, cultivating an interesting personality and appealing to people who are interested in your personality is basic dating strategy. That's what anyone who wants a genuine, deep connection does. If the basics are "excessive" and "difficult" for you, life is going to be a struggle for you, buddy... you need to get used to making a little bit of effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/25 06:02 AM
3	Misogynist young adults get more sex The study even says that misogynistic men are more likely to have PAID for sex, which means the women they slept with weren't even necessarily attracted to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/25 05:52 AM
1	When men face any problems disproportionally, It's framed as being their own fault. Whereas with women, it's always "systemic" Just because someone is ignorant of something, it doesn't mean that they don't care. Nobody knows everything. Everyone needs to be educated by someone. There's nothing wrong with you having to educate feminists sometimes, there's only an issue if you prove your facts and the feminist still denies it or says she doesn't care. For example, I can see why feminists struggle to believe that men are half the rape victims. The simple fact that it's easier for a man to overpower a woman than the opposit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/25 05:46 AM
2	How can I be more emotionally open and vulnerable when it comes to dating? Are you sure you actually like those men you're dating? Maybe you're afraid to be vulnerable because you don't like them enough to put in the effort of being vulnerable? Making yourself vulnerable is not easy and it shouldn't be done with just anyone. Also maybe these guys are bad at making you feel at ease enough to be vulnerable. The problem is not necessarily you, it could be them, especially if you have no issues being vulnerable with your friends. But if the problem is you, you need to deep…	/r/RedPillWomen	09/06/25 05:34 PM
5	Real Talk: What I’ve Learned About “High-Value” Men After Dating One (Or So I Thought) This. Besides, it's a red flag that he even knows the red pill at all. I'd rather be with a man that was socially skilled and perceptive enough to understand female nature by himself without having to have it spelled out for him on reddit.	/r/RedPillWomen	09/06/25 05:14 PM
1	Does a woman career matters? It matters in so far as it makes you a more interesting, cultured person with interesting experiences to talk about. It doesn't matter because the guy expects you to provide for him with your money, just like women expect of men.	/r/RedPillWomen	09/06/25 08:07 AM
8	If older women keep complaining about men dating young Girls why they don't date younger men too ? Younger guys are also more handsome with less baggage, less ED and they can more easily be molded to fit your taste. I think a lot of older women would date a younger guy if they could. The issue is that they can't because younger guys are generally not interested in seriously dating an older woman.	/r/RedPillWomen	09/06/25 07:50 AM
5	If older women keep complaining about men dating young Girls why they don't date younger men too ? Because there aren't actually plenty of young guys looking to seriously date an older woman.	/r/RedPillWomen	09/06/25 07:46 AM
3	How do I detach and take someone off of a pedestal? First of all, imagine him without the money. I think that might do a lot to take him off the pedestal. Money makes a guy so attractive that sometimes it makes you ignore red flags. At the end of the day, he's just a guy, who sucks at certain things and makes mistakes like everyone else. You're 19 so you think you'll never get that connection with someone else, but remind yourself that the future is long and you actually can find that connection elsewere, with a guy that will actually be availabl…	/r/RedPillWomen	09/06/25 07:40 AM
3	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? I think a lot of men “fall” into RP because they’re angry at the dating world, but even with dating the way it is nowadays many women fall into good enough relationships by age 30, 35 and don’t go searching for advice like this. I think that believing this is a mistake, and that's why the RP gets so much flak. I think that a lot of women get into relationships by age 30, but I dont think that most women necessarily go into good relationships by 30. A lot of women are panicking**, just like men,\…	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 06:16 PM
2	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? Men can tell when a woman is a gold digger abs will treat her like one. No, every man can't. Just like every woman can't always tell if a man is using her for sex or for real love. Everybody struggles with knowing what other people's intentions are. People need to stop this fake idea that men are psychics who can sniff all your intentions because when you look at how many men are blindsided by a divorce, this idea is clearly false. Dating around with a bunch of men will get you a negative reputa…	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 05:56 PM
-1	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? What about them? If your goal is to get as much sex as you can, that's not really hard to do as a woman. Do you really need someone to tell you how to get on Tinder and order up a man for sex? The information in there in the wiki and could be used to manipulate men or find sex. That's not what women who come here are asking questions about though. As I said, I was speaking about the female equivalent, which is not to get sex, it's to get a bunch of relationships then ditch these relationships wh…	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 05:48 PM
0	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? You're right, but do you really want a man who has sidechicks?	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 05:32 PM
-1	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? When you factor in actual human nature it’s extremely unlikely you’ll find that by using men to get to “better” men. Why do you believe that? Why wouldn't it work to use certain men to get to better men? Because that sounds like a very efficient (but immoral) strategy to me? And RP men use certain women to get to better women all the time. Thats what they do when they spin plates and sleep around with a bunch of women then use everything they learn from gaming other women to snatch the chaste hi…	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 05:29 PM
0	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? >RP men are using RP a different way because they have different goals So what about RP women who have the same goal as men? The ones who believe in all the RP principles but want to use it 100% to their own advantage, just like the men on the RP forum do? So, just like RP men who use women for sex, RP women that want to use men for temporary relationships then ditch them? A LOT of women want to do that, and yet it seems like there's no space for them to express that, whereas men have plenty of …	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 04:30 PM
0	If red pill is an amoral strategy why is it wrong with promoting gold digging, hypergamy, monkey branching and dating multiple men at the initial stage? I'm going to respond to some of these points, because I think that the points I'm going to raise is going to be exactly how OP thinks, so this might help OP make up her mind on where she wants to go from here. >you are encouraged to pick the best man you can get. If he’s a winner, you have to have the highest SMV & RMV. There are a few women on here who have the stereotypical HVM partner. But women on here are realistic and know that those men are rare and hard to catch, so it’s not a good idea …	/r/RedPillWomen	08/06/25 04:06 PM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. But isn't this also a generalization in itself? Yes, it's a generalization. Generalizations aren't always bad, they just have to be correct. If he can confidently approach, then he likely has more experience and may actually be more likely to just cut and run. Just because he approaches, it doesn't mean he's going to do it "confidently". Confidence is a sign that he has a lot of experience, but simply approaching isn't much of a sign I think. Most guys know that they're supposed to approach, so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 03:20 PM
–	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women I understand that it's not the most convenient thins, but you need to learn to say "no", you got the easy part, trust me. It's not about "learning to say no", I know perfectly how to say "no" in normal situations, but if I'm being cornered by a male stranger who seems to have problems with understanding social cues, I might not say "no" not because I "don't know how", but rather because I'm wondering whether the guy will flip out or not if I say no, and I decide not to say "no" to keep myself sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 10:57 AM
2	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. Most dudes aren't going to stick around if you time-gate the bedroom. Especially if they only 'sort of' like you. They'll move on quickly enough. At least, that's how I feel. Yeah, I think that's just how you feel and you shouldn't generalize that to most men. Don't underestimate how desperate certain men are. There's enough stories out there of women getting pumped and dumped even after making the guy wait a long time before anything sexual happened. Women are better off not approaching men and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 07:07 AM
2	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. Why would that not be true? If one guy has to run ten miles to be able to eat a piece of chocolate while another guy can get the chocolate delivered to him for free, which guy is more likely to eat the chocolate? The second guy, right? Why? Because it's easier for him right? So if a guy has to approach girls and risk humiliation to get to string a girl along and another guy doesn't have to risk anything because the girl approaches him first, which guy is more likely to string the girl along? Peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 08:42 PM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. That's true regardless of whether he's approaching But if a guy has to approach girls, it lowers the chance that he'll get into relationships with girls just to use them, compared to if the girls approach him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 07:32 PM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. The women can still make her boundaries present by saying I don't want sex. Um, that's very naive of you to say because a lot of guys wouldn't be stopped by a girl saying "I don't want sex". Many guys would still stick around just in case she changes her mind, even if they didn't like her. Guys aren't "always" in a better position to take advantage of women, but they have a higher chance of doing so because they're more desperate for sex than women are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:54 PM
2	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women women just want many if not most men to self-select out But that's not a woman thing. People in general don't want to be randomly approached by people who have nothing interesting to offer them, male or female. Married men also wouldn't enjoy carrying an "approach me" sign because they already have a woman at home, so there's nothing random people approaching them could offer them. You need to stop trying to make it a woman thing because it just reinforces a self-victimizing mentality in you as …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:49 PM
-1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. That is not the equivalent of what I said. I said guys are less selective. They still like you that just aren't as picky You're speaking about the good side of men's selectiveness (men are less likely to humiliate a woman who approached them by rejecting her on the spot, that's a good thing) and I'm telling you that men's lower selectiveness can be something bad too because it also makes guys more likely to string along women that they don't really like just to use them for sex. So no, it's not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 03:25 PM
-1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. So it's easy and unhealthy, "Because it's unhealthy" is not the reason why women get shamed for it, because sleeping around is unhealthy for men too and men don't get shamed for it. It's purely because of misogyny, that's it, there's no way around it. So, do you want to understand why, or do you want to be outraged? I can do both. Misogyny is a proper answer. If you say that people condemn women who have casual sex out of misogyny, it means people condemn it purely out of a disdain for women tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 03:14 PM
3	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women Someone asked why women don't wear some sign to show they are interested in being approached... why don't they do that? Well, because most men that approach would not be the men they like, so that is why they don't do it. Okay, that doesn't prove that women are making approaching hard on purpose to weed out the ugly guys. They are not. If a woman had an "approach me" sign, many of the guys who would approach her wouldn't be the type of guys that she liked for reason other than looks as well, so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 02:27 PM
3	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women Exactly. Notice how many guys here don't know that it's a socially inept thing to do. It's very clear what kind of people the red pill groups attract.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 01:36 PM
2	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women Then deal with it. Women DO deal with it. They deal with it by reporting creepy guys like the girl in the OP did. And yet you guys are still complaining.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 01:35 PM
2	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women The reason the rate for men is so much lower is because men get murdered a lot outside the house whereas women don’t. What? That's clearly not the reason. These men are getting murdered by other men, not by their partner or any other woman, and you know it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 01:17 PM
3	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women This is the answer. I wish I could give you gold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 01:13 PM
3	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women Women only want to be approached in certain ways at certain times by certain men, and they just expect men to instinctively know which is which. They don't "just expect men to know instinctively", they expect men to use common sense and figure out when they should approach or not simply by having empathy and asking themselves if they would like to be approached the same way that they are approaching women. The woman in OP's story did not expect the guy to read her mind, OP said that she was visi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 01:08 PM
4	Women discomfort to reject men seems to parallel the discomfort men have to approach women I think the strategy of most women is for most men to, hopefully, give up on approaching by making it harder and harder, creating endless contradictory rules, white knights, etc. so hopefully only attractive men dare to approach, and for those men there are really no rules. That obsession you guys have with believing that women are conspiring to destroy unattractive men and only letting the attractive ones live... it's ridiculous. There is no conspiracy. Women are not making up contradictory rul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 01:01 PM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. You sound lovely, don't listen to the other guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 12:31 PM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. Women who complain that men are too thirsty are usually complaining about men who approach them in inappropriate ways. They don't want to initiate anything themselves and they don't mind men approaching them, but they mind men approaching them all the time, including in inappropriate contexts (like a boss commenting on his employee's looks at work for example). It's not complicated if you stop thinking in black and white and understand that there are grey areas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 12:28 PM
1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. because it's easy for them. It's not because it's easy that they get shamed. Drinking water is easy, do you get shamed for drinking water? Clapping your hands is easy, do you get shamed for clapping your hands? Blinking is easy, do you get shamed for blinking? No? So how come the answer to "having casual sex is easy, do women get shamed for having casual sex" is yes? It's because "it's easy" is not the reason why women get shamed for casual sex. Women get shamed for having casual sex because of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 12:20 PM
-1	The society we want where women making the first moves and approaching men is the norm will never happen. We know that men are generally less selective than women, so more men would give an enthusiastic yes to women than vice versa. Why is it so hard for you guys to see that this is the problem? Men are more likely to say "yes" to a woman even if they don't actually like her and just want to use her, and women don't want to be with men who don't really like them and just want to use them. Women are better off letting the man approach because if he approaches it's a sign that he's truly interested in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 12:11 PM
1	How to avoid being 'boring' to ladies? You avoid being boring to women the same way you avoid being boring to men: be funny, have things that you're passionate about, do a lot of things so that you have experiences you can tell people about, spend time with people who have similar values and interests as you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 11:47 AM
1	Why do you think so many women are sexually attracted to K-pop male stars ? Yes, these men are really not that effeminate. The only thing "effeminate" about them are small things like makeup and nail polish that they wear. Other than that they have typically masculine traits like being tall, having a shap jawline and acting very assertive and confident.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 11:21 AM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? Im being a bit hyperbolic here Yeah, you are. You are focusing on the extremists, that's why you're confused. Yes there are probably some extremist people out there who say that you shouldn't ever approach women anywhere, but if you're honest, you'll see that most people who support the movement don't say extreme things like that. Most people understand that if it's very late at night and you're at a bar and you walk up to a girl you find cute and tell her politely that you'd like to buy her a d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 01:01 PM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? From what I've seen I don't think that's true. You're way more likely to become charismatic through practice and educating yourself than to win the lottery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 06:03 AM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? Just because the majority is from online apps, it doesn't mean that everyone has to be online. The last statistics I saw said that 40% of couples met through online dating, so there's still a huge 60% that meet somewhere else. We just went through a whole social movement based around "dont approach me, Im just out having fun, im not here for you" Literally had songs about it and thats fine but you cant also tell people to go out and do that at the same time. That movement is against men who hit …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 05:49 AM
1	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men I am talking about a couple being non-blackout drunk, but still considerably drunk having consensual sex that night. Because that, too, is now legally rape i.e. sex without informed consent which can be prosecuted as such. Except that it's not. It's only rape if the person is VERY intoxicated (blackout, vomiting, passing out). No man is going to jail for sleeping with a girl who only had two, three glasses of wine. Men are not in as much danger as you make it out to be. You need to look things u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 08:57 PM
0	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men What? So for you it's normal to have sex with a person who is black out drunk and can barely move or speak? I'm pretty sure that my parents and grandparents have never done that to each other actually, no. You really think everybody does that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 08:10 PM
0	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men #Metoo is about calling out people who commit sexual assault. Your idea that it has devolved into attacking all men just for being men is just wrong. What regular, normal man has been targetted by metoo? You're demonizing metoo even though it's a good movement that keeps victims of sexual assault safe and you're making normal men paranoid by saying that metoo is out to get them even though it's not true. It indeed led to extra laws and as I mentioned in my post, And non-predatory, non-powerful m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 04:52 PM
3	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men #metoo is directed at all predatory men regardless of status. And it hasn't let to any laws that only affect normal men and don't stop the bad ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:40 PM
7	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. My point is, what's too many for a woman is the same number that would be too many for a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:36 PM
6	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men Once you start talking about how women are uniquely not held accountable for such things, about how many women and men don't perceive your rape as rape, about the sexist academics who create definitions that exclude male victims, about the lack of funding and support, about the feminists with power who have changed the laws so your perpetrator will be punished less than you would have been, who push for sexist police policy, and who write disgustingly sexist papers where the contempt for male vi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:35 PM
1	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men .	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:33 PM
7	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. This is the problem with bluepill thinking. You assume that patterns of human behaviors are a “blank slate”, and simply refuse to acknowledge that we are innately disposed towards certain behavior due to evolutionary biology. I've never said we're not innately disposed towards any behavior, I said we aren't innately disposed towards that specific behavior you mentioned i.e. treating women like they are inherently more valuable. Just because women reproduced more than men, it doesn't mean that th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:22 PM
5	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. I wouldn't care if she had a lot of experience, I would care if she had 100 partners because that's a very extreme number. If it's a lot but it's within the bounds of what's normal, if it's a lot but you wouldn't judge a guy who had that number, then yeah, that would be a sign that you're insecure to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:59 PM
5	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men I see a lot of women speak up and correct the vocal minority often. So many women even go so far as to say they're "not a feminist" because they "don't hate men".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:54 PM
5	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men For every opportunity that you lost because someone was suspicious of you, there's probably a woman who experienced sexual assault because she wasn't suspicious enough. You have to look at the big picture and remember the stakes when you lose an opportunity as a man because the women feel unsafe. Normally if you keep things in perspective, you won't grow resentful, because I'm sure you'd rather lose a job opportunity than be assaulted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:46 PM
7	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men So what do you suggest? That women throw caution out the window and are just as relaxed around a strange man in a dark alley at night as they would around a strange woman in a dark alley at night? If you had a daughter and she was trying to get home at night and she had to pick between a route where she would mostly pass by a lot of strange men and a route where she'd mostly cross paths with strange women, which road would you tell her to take? Would you feel equally as much anxiety no matter wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:40 PM
20	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men Yeah! If a guy freaks out over the innocent things that women do to keep themselves safe, he's probably a creepy guy that you need to stay away from anyway. A normal guy wouldn't care because he knows he's not going to harm the woman so it doesn't change anything for him if she's cautious or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:30 PM
11	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men But almost no one else extends the same empathy you're giving us here men who have been abused by women. Then literally just talking about your experience gets you labeled misogynistic. This isn't true. If a guy said he was raped by a woman, do you really think most people's reaction would be "Don't say that, that's misogynistic!"? Have you ever seen someone react like that? That's clearly not true. Women demand that of men way more, women quite often think they are entitled to a man's trust bef…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:26 PM
13	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men What is unreasonable is the paranoid delusion most women operate under that says all men are dangerous and have no good will towards women Most women don't think that at all. You guys just assume that they do whenever a woman is a bit cautious around a man. You need to check your own assumption because how many women have you actually heard say that most men are dangerous? Probably not most of the women you know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:17 PM
17	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men Most women don't think like the women you had a conversation with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:15 PM
4	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men This barrier ends up making innocent interactions unnecessarily challenging, creating an environment where even the most well intentioned guys can be seen as creeps and potential rapists/murderers BEFORE they've even said a word. It's not "unnecessarily" challenging, it's challenging for a reason. Most women will be suspicious when they interact with you if they don't know you well because they're trying to keep themselves safe, it's completely justified. You just have to accept that, as a man, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 02:12 PM
9	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. 100 partners is the sign of a mental problem, I don't think anyone wants that in a partner, but most women don't have that many even the ones who are "experienced"	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 01:56 PM
–	The problem isn't high standards for men, its high entry standards. Why would you think that? Most people who are successful on dating apps don't have actor headshots on their dating profiles. They just have normal pictures where they look clean, well-dressed and not creepy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 01:54 PM
17	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. This is because of evolutionary biology and sexual selection; where sperm is cheap and plenty whereas eggs are expensive and scarce. Throughout human history, most men died sexless whereas most women reproduced. So if you found out that one of your friends was infertile, you would care about them less? No, you wouldn't. This evolutionary biology theory is total bullshit. Nobody treats people differently based on whether they can reproduce or not, not in this modern day and age. Neither eggs nor …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 01:51 PM
–	The problem isn't high standards for men, its high entry standards. I'm no longer thing there is a decent woman there for me, or I find it unlikely, thanks to Apps I know it. How can you know there's none out there for you just based on an app? You can't let such a fatalistic view depend on the outcomes you had on some random apps that don't even work for most men. Most men don't get a lot of matches but most men do get married in their lifetime, so clearly the apps are the problem. Maybe there's something off about your profile and you don't realize it so now y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 01:19 PM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? You have to be a really big outlier to try to socialize consistently and still fail with everyone. Like, you'd have to be horribly deformed to repulse everyone like that just because of your looks. And I guess you're not deformed so, are you sure that you've got good conversation skills? If you had to have a conversation with someone like yourself, would you be entertained?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 01:07 PM
15	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. Everybody is treated as disposable (unless there's something exceptional about them). Please stop pretending that it's just a man thing, you're just making yourself miserable for no reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 12:58 PM
10	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. Personally, I don’t believe any man actually likes super experienced women. I’m sure I’ll get a tonne saying “Im the one that gets the benefits of what she’s learned 😋”, but that’s honestly cuck bullshit. Are you a 15-year-old boy? Or are you just a very insecure adult? Because going around calling other men cucks all willy-nilly looks insecure and childish as hell. Literally who cares if she has a lot of experience, women tolerate men with a lot of experience all the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 12:55 PM
–	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men I know almost noone in RL (and I really know a lot of people), that met their partner through a hobby, almost everyone just met from school, university, hanging out with social circle, going to parties (private/clubs). Yeah, but here we're talking about men who claim to be so ugly they fail to even "get their foot in the door". If most of your friends met simply through school and parties, you probably know a lot of normal people, but we're talking about the abnormal people who get overlooked in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:25 AM
–	The problem isn't high standards for men, its high entry standards. You don't need to go to the studio, you just need to take more spontaneous photos in real life, like when you're hanging out with friends or doing a cool activity	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:20 AM
–	The problem isn't high standards for men, its high entry standards. They don't give you a chance because, like you said, they don't work. And they do cost you something, they cost you your mental health because not getting any matches harms your self-esteem and they cost you your time because all the time you spend swiping is time you could've spent working on yourself, picking up an interesting hobby, watching an cool documentary, putting yourself out there	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:19 AM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? You can't just try a few times and then give up, you have to be persistent. You'd be surprised if you knew how hard many people work to grow their social network.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:04 AM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? If they don't initiate the small talk then you make the small talk. Some people are shallow and won't give you a chance, true, but there's many other people who will, especially if you know how to make conversation and especially if they see that you have other friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:02 AM
-1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? People will interact with you if you socialize. Go to parties with your friends and approach people together with your friends, nobody is going to say "you're too ugly, you need to go, but your friends can stay". Join clubs or classes so you can do activities with people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 11:07 PM
-1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? Unless you're approaching the girl through online dating, you'll have the opportunity to show your personality. You just gotta go outside and socialize with real people face to face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 10:15 PM
1	Male Creepiness is about context most of the time but a few times it’s it’s about attraction. This is both scary and disappointing. It's also very wrong, most women don't have such violent thoughts about unattractive men. If an unattractive man tries to get their attention, most women cut the interaction short and then they forget about him, they're not imagining him dying a horrifying death. I know that being called creepy just for being ugly is frustrating but it's not a reason to exaggerate and demonize women in this manner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 09:49 PM
2	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? They are blackpilled about themselves, but hate the male perspective. But it makes them feel uneasy when guys are sad about being too short, too small, too skinny, not having a jaw line, because a complaining guy is not very attractive. Women don't hate the male perspective, there's just nothing they can do about it. And many men speak about the male perspective in a very misogynistic way ("these shallow bitches dont want me because they only want a 6ft guy!") and that's what makes women uncomfo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 08:37 PM
4	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? No it's plenty of men doing it too. Just because you're a man and you personally don't care, it doesn't mean that other men don't care either. That's the point she's making.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 08:17 PM
9	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? Yeah! Imagine feeling shocked and "radicalized" at the age of 20 because you just realized that your looks matter (like so many red pill men). Meanwhile women have been dealing with that realization since they were like 5 years old. That's wild lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 08:15 PM
–	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men I didn't say the hobbies had to be feminine, I said they had to get you naturally in contact with the opposite sex. If painting is "too feminine" for you, join a hiking club then or take a class in Greek history, or something else, whatever. If you're going to build a long term relationship with a woman, you'll probably have some activities that you and her both like to do and that activity will bond you. I'm saying go do that activity already in a group setting even when you're single and then …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 07:49 PM
16	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? The reason why we speak more about female beauty standards is because men can make up for not fitting their beauty standard by being charismatic or having high status, whereas men are more likely to friendzone a girl if she doesn't look that good, even if she's charismatic or has status (according to popular belief anyway) So yes, male beauty standards exist and they can be oppressive, but they don't matter as much. Spend years of your life following a strict diet and consistently working out so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 07:33 PM
11	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? The women you cited are all young with high cheekbones and hourglass figures, they do look pretty similar. They look just as similar to each other as male sex symbols do, they just have different skin and hair colors and ethnicities, that's it. Male sex symbols have different skin and hair colors too (Idris Elba, Brad Pitt, Harry Styles, male K-pop stars, etc.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 07:17 PM
2	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Huh? Are you really laughing at the idea of having a social hobby? No wonder finding a girlfriend is a struggle if going outside is a joke to you... I suggested hobbies off the top of my head, it doesn't have to be the ones I mentioned, it can be anything that you like that you do regularly with people of the opposite sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 06:53 PM
2	How do the women who are always aloof and dismissive towards men’s approaches expect to meet someone? Just because a woman doesn't like cold approaches, it doesn't mean that they "don't put any effort into getting into relationships". They're aloof to the random guy who hits on them on the street or in the club because they're not looking for someone right now or they'd rather date a friend of a friend over some random guy at the club probably. I'm just saying, that doesn't mean that they "aren't stressed" because they will "drift into a partner no matter".	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 06:48 PM
1	CMV : Women don’t like men who have to approach because the men they want are the sort of guys who don’t have to approach Yes, approaching groups with one of your friends by your side is certainly a good idea. It's easier to start a conversation with the group if you have someone by your side because then at least you know that your friend has your back if you say or do something that you find embarassing or regrettable. This also applies if you're trying to approach girls at a party or other places. You will look more trustworthy if you have a friend by your side because it shows that you're normal enough to be li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 06:07 PM
3	Women shouldn’t be demonized for doing sex work but they should understand why guys are jealous and bitter about it. Who cares if it's sex with their orientation of choice, it's sex with extremely unattractive people. If I'm forced to sleep with someone for money trying to survive, I'll be just as disgusted no matter whether it's the same sex or the opposite one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 05:58 PM
1	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Exactly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 05:35 PM
0	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Getting your foot in the door isn't that hard if you have a social life. So many of the men who complain about "not getting their foot in the door" aren't even doing what it takes to try to get your foot in the door, they're sitting around at home scrolling on dating apps and playing video games, that's why they're not getting anywhere. You're supposed to go out and do hobbies that attract both sexes (like a book club, foreign language class, painting class, etc whatever you like) and then you'l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 05:29 PM
0	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men There's no proof that men generally date down in looks, that's just nonsense. Men regularly date down in social status and money maybe, but not in looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 05:12 PM
3	Women shouldn’t be demonized for doing sex work but they should understand why guys are jealous and bitter about it. This take is ridiculous, the kind of men who would stop pursuing a relationship if they could get a prostitute are the kind of guys that shouldn't be in relationships anyway. No woman wants a long term relationship with a guy who is only dating her because of the sex and no other reason. I really couldn't care less about the guys who go to sex workers instead of seeking a relationship, but I do care about the girls who get exploited, trafficked into it or groomed into doing it. Anti-sex work act…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 04:09 PM
6	Women shouldn’t be demonized for doing sex work but they should understand why guys are jealous and bitter about it. You're way more likely to find a gay male john than to win the lottery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 03:50 PM
1	Women shouldn’t be demonized for doing sex work but they should understand why guys are jealous and bitter about it. Yup. That's the answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 03:49 PM
5	Women shouldn’t be demonized for doing sex work but they should understand why guys are jealous and bitter about it. a straight man having sex with another man is about 50x more disgusting for him then a for woman to have sex with an ugly man. And how do you know that? Both are extremely disgusting. How disgusting it is depends on the individual person's sensitivity. I think you underestimate how repulsive sex workers find their clients.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 03:45 PM
3	CMV : Women don’t like men who have to approach because the men they want are the sort of guys who don’t have to approach I think you should really focus on approaching groups of boys rather than groups with mostly girls. Because for a group of girls it can be a little weird if a guy all by himself comes to sit at their table, some groups of girls might give you awkward or suspicious looks because they're wondering what your intentions are and why you picked a table of girls intead of a table of guys even though you're a guy. And if you get these looks from the girls, you might take it personally and it might worse…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 03:30 PM
10	CMV : Women don’t like men who have to approach because the men they want are the sort of guys who don’t have to approach The men women find attractive still have to approach, they just have to approach in a less obvious way. If a girl has a crush on a classmate, she's going to appreciate him approaching her by asking her if she's okay and helping her out when she seems like she needs help and then having a conversation about whatever he's helping her with. That's also approaching and it doesn't indicate scarcity because you're not approaching just for a relationship, you're approaching and being useful at the same…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 03:16 PM
6	CMV : Women don’t like men who have to approach because the men they want are the sort of guys who don’t have to approach Wow, tt's good that you're putting yourself out there and trying to work on yourself! Why don't you ask to sit next to guys at lunch though? Does that stress you out too? If you sit next to guys at lunch, you're more likely to have positive experiences where the people are friendly to you and include you into their conversation and maybe become your friends. These are the kind of positive experiences you need to develop enough confidence to approach girls later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 03:06 PM
15	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Not necessarily. If the girl prefers tall guys she won't have an immediate crush on the average-sized guy, but she could still develop feelings for him over time and pick him over the tall guy after getting to know him better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:55 PM
5	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Men who have options also fuck women below their looksmatch/status… I'm not talking about casual hookups, I'm talking about serious relationships. Most men absolutely have requirements for a serious relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:51 PM
5	How do the women who are always aloof and dismissive towards men’s approaches expect to meet someone? Also, women are women. They will drift into a partner no matter what. It's not stressful for them. This is incel mentality. People of both sexes stress about getting a relationship, it's a universal human problem. No need to make it seem like it's only a guy problem and all women's romantic lives are all sunshine and rainbows.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:41 PM
6	How do the women who are always aloof and dismissive towards men’s approaches expect to meet someone? On a dating app it's different. The guy is a stranger there as well, but you can block him if he starts being annoying or threatening, so it feels safer. You also have more time to think about what you want to say etc so you're less likely to be shy. If it's a random guy off the street who tries to talk to you, you have the added stress of being caught off guard, having to answer right away and not knowing whether the guy can start harassing/stalking/harming you if you do or say something he doe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:32 PM
2	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Women don't just get called shallow, they get called a bitch, they get called a slut, and all types of other things when they say the truth. Men are just called shallow but most people just laugh it off and move on. Women have a harder time being honest because women face a lot more backlash than men when they are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:23 PM
7	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men If someone is more picky, their attraction is more complex than the attraction of someone who isn't. It's the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:21 PM
2	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men And a lot of men think that about women too, they're the men who get offended and aggressive towards women that tell the truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:19 PM
24	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men It may be all it takes to catch her attention initially, but it won't be all it takes for a long term relationship. Also a lot of women are joking when they say things like "omg do I really like him or he is just tall ?". Then guys take these jokes at face value because it's such a sensitive topic for them and their emotions are getting in the way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:18 PM
12	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Everything you say only applies to desperate men with very little options, the men who do have options absolutely do have requirements, just like women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:04 PM
9	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men (i'm a man)I think you don't need to listen to what women see as attractive because most of them don't want to appear shallow so they'll say the usual shit(smile,smell...). But this doesn't mean we can't know what they find attractive you just have to look at famous attractive people, male characters from romcoms and the guys that slay on tinder to know what women find attractive on a men. This is a good answer. If you ask people a really personal, sensitive question like what they're attracted …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 01:57 PM
5	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Exactly lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 01:44 PM
3	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men In general, I’d say women are less likely to compromise on looks because they actually do get attention from men that meet their looks standards. Women rarely get serious attention from men who are out of their league though. They get short term hookups and strung along, but you're probably vastly underestimating the number of women who catch on to the fact that they're better off going for someone in their own league too. Especially the women who don't sleep around a lot probably don't strugg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 01:42 PM
-1	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men He'll probably say that obesity is not the same because "it's something that can be changed"... as if it's easy to change... plenty of women try to lose weight but just don't manage to. Most of the ones who easily manage to lose weight probably don't become obese in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 01:32 PM