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Right but it doesn't make it any less gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:23 AM
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No, this is a good example - the link you provided makes a claim, but when you follow the Massachusetts study, there's not data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:15 PM
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Both my parents worked full time. Cool, my mom stayed home, but my dad was still a better parent. It's not about the time spent, it's about do you actually love your kids. If my parents had split up when I was a kid as opposed to when I was grown I should have 100% gone with my dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:12 PM
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Pointing out hypocrisy is not whataboutism. It points out that their motives are not as they say they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:11 PM
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Weird it worked when another poster posted the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:11 PM
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They aren't there. They aren't showing their data, they aren't showing their error, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:54 PM
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Because that partner declined to participate in their upbringing. If you think being a father who works full time is "declining to participate in their upbringing" I have to wonder what the fuck your family life was like growing up. And it's not a matter of declining; as I mentioned, very often mothers will demand the primacy of being the primary caregiver for that exact reason. A couple I knew who was going through an amicable divorce had the wife get a bunch of messages saying to not let her h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:53 PM
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That's what I followed. The Massachusetts study doesn't have data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:49 PM
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Most women aren't actually looking for a male partner who makes them feel physically safe - they're looking for a male partner who makes them feel socially safe. i.e. do their female peers approve of him, etc. Much of the time they will use a feeling of physical insecurity to make what they're actually feeling (social insecurity) and pretend their situation is more dire than it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:36 PM
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Data is factual Cool, where's the actual data? Because it's not shown in those links, they just make claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:34 PM
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They are working fine for everyone else. OP's links don't work. Most men do not seek full custody or even 50/50. The scant few who do, usually win. No, the source provided has no data for that claim. It is not a credible source. $3,500 per year wouldn't provide rice for a child in a developing country. That amount is irrelevant to the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:32 PM
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Women abuse their male partners just as much. I don't understand what your point is. And I don't believe those kind of rape/DV statistics. One of them called any guy who "choked" a partner a domestic abuser - without asking if the choking was consensual! If that was the case I've abused most of my sex partners, nevermind they asked me to put my hands on their throat because they're into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:30 PM
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OP and others like them are perfectly find using womens' feelings as justification for anything; the message is "mens' feelings don't matter, womens' do."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:29 PM
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No, it's enough to discredit your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:25 PM
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There isn’t any other interpretation of “most cases don’t require a lawyer or go before a judge”. Then that claim you're making isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:25 PM
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It actually doesn't. It doesn't really cite its sources, just makes a claim. Even the supposed study in Massachusetts doesn't show its numbers or data. It's very suspect. From that study: "It is not possible to calculate exactly the percentage of cases in which fathers sought custody." Oh really? Then why are they making claims. I don't see any room for statistical error in their numbers. It's all bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:21 PM
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OP I'm getting errors with the custody statistics you've posted, the links don't seem to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:19 PM
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The stats are in the OP, and I've posted them again elsewhere in the thread. Do you have another source? They're returning errors when I try to click on them. Men don't want their kids Nope, incorrect. they want to be part time fathers and leave the majority of the upbringing to their wives Incorrect, it's just their only option because women demand they be provider drones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:18 PM
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Kids with wealthy parents are entitled to whatever lifestyle provided to them. It doesn't matter if a handful of angry men believes that Costner's kids should suffer since his wife left, chances are pretty high that he doesn't want to significantly lower their quality of life. Well, what if their parents want to pull them out of private school? Oh yeah, this paradigm supposes that only the mother has the right to make that call. What if the male partner wants to work less to spend more time with…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:16 PM
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Most men don't even want their kids half the time, so they definitely aren't going into battle. Most of those who do go to bat for their kids win. Stats on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:14 PM
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I suspect most TRP men are in no position to guess the cost of private schools, hobbies, and security. Private schools are a luxury across much of the US. Nobody's entitled to that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:08 PM
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Why should the kids quality of life suffer? Good question. Why should they be taken away from the partner who can support them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:07 PM
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That deflection is addressed in the very same quote you provided. No it's not. Every time these statistics get quoted they show that men are disadvantaged in custody proceedings, but then there are articles written claiming the opposite. Something's fishy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:06 PM
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Nah. There's drugs that fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 04:50 PM
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As someone who worked service, plenty of women were creepy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 04:49 PM
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Women leave relationships and marriages all the time because their partner is emotionally unavailable. Given Brené Brown's work, that seems unlikely. Now, it seems likely that women would say that, but women react with hostility towards men who are open and vulnerable, in most cases, not with love. In fact being vulnerable can be a prelude to the loss of love and affection. If "emotional availability" is code for "anticipates my emotional needs and satisfies them, while not demanding any emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:49 AM
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Usually only when men impose it onto women. No, also when men are just doing their own thing but it's not what feminists want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:45 AM
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Dude you think we're living in a matriarchy since 2008? No. That's not what a matriarchy is. I mean what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:45 AM
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I didn't say they did. I said that most women want to live with a guy who doesn't have emotional needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:13 AM
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Brené Brown's talked a lot about this with her work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:12 AM
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I'm not the other poster. Second, "emotional vulnerability is sexy" is not misleading, it's outright contrary and opposite to the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 11:32 PM
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It's not for some people and that's okay. That's fine, but I'm not talking about casual sex here. Feminism is also generally incredibly hostile towards male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:47 PM
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Aight, you're not being coherent. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:02 PM
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If a woman touches my butt or something "unwanted" then I have to pretend like nothing happened. You're not being coherent. Are you saying this is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:49 PM
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Did you read it? What in it do you think is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:47 PM
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More recent research shows that the genetic component is very, very important, and explains at least 60% of the body weight of people who are obese..) And yet you pull it off, because while hormone balance can certainly make it more challenging, you can't defy physics I'm guessing you're not understanding the point because you don't even have a cursory understanding of biology. CICO is always applicable, but people with certain genetics will feel more hungry, or will put more of their calorie in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:46 PM
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Which I believe is a little misleading It's entirely misleading. Emotional invulnerability is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:40 PM
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No, this is incorrect. Brené Brown's work showed that it's not about trauma dumping, it's that women want their male partner's inner emotional life to center around her and react with hostility when they don't. Women don't like emotional vulnerability in men. They like emotional openness, when a man is open and has his defenses down but still can't be hurt. They like emotional invulnerability. Obviously this is a generalization and not all women are like that, especially not all of the time. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:40 PM
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Male sexuality isn't any more gross than female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:37 PM
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"Weight set point" is absolute garbage science, it's not even science You didn't really make an argument in your post. Some people have different hormone balances to where their body tells them they're always hungry. I get it to where my stomach is so full its uncomfortable but my body is still hungry. I have to put a lot more work in to stay at a healthy weight than most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:34 PM
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A female friend explained it as, "many men view a woman being unattractive as a moral failing" and that is reinforced every day on this sub. Women are more prone to the halo effect than men, so women are more likely to think being unattractive is a moral failing than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:32 PM
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This study and men themselves have admitted ugly women make them feel annoyed, angry and other emotions that aren't positive. What study? And I'm sure there are men who feel like you described, but they're less common than the equivalent for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:31 PM
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Male sexuality is gross Get out of here with that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:26 PM
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The patriarchy in most countries is dictated by male norms for behavior. Not in the West. Women have only just begun to have a public voice In the US the female voice has been dominant in the public sphere since 2008 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:23 PM
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Less sex negative and more consent positive. No, it's not really "consent positive." Most women find giving enthusiastic consent to be a turnoff; it's this weird impossible standard where everyone says that affirmative consent is the standard in public, but with individual women if you check for consent you're likely to be kicked out of bed. They want a guy who "just knows."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:20 PM
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Basically, feminism is becoming much more sex negative. Yup, feminism got presented with the dilemma that being sex-positive would mean being positive about male sexuality. In the face of that, it decided to abandon sex positivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:18 PM
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They are more likely to place more value on a man who is mutually invested in their satisfaction Hasn't been my experience. Has more to do with status and if their female peers approve of her partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:15 PM
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You aren’t “telling” anything, but that you blame women for your short comings. "No u" isn't an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 12:52 AM
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All your comment is doing is proving my point trying to blame women yet again as well as making remarks trying to “neg.” It doesn’t work on us like it does on you lol. Negging was brought to the forefront because it worked on women. I'm just telling the truth, you can think what you want. Stop worrying about us. We’re living our best lives thriving while you’re wallowing in yours still waiting for things to be “handed to you” due to male privilege which isn’t “it” anymore. Female rates of antide…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:32 PM
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Nothing about feminists shutting down male domestic violence shelters. Google again, it's what drove her out of domestic violence advocacy. Where did she demonstrate that "most" men will lose their female partner's respect if they show vulnerability? That study hasn't been done and won't be done, because if it reflects badly on women it will be considered forbidden. Regardless, she showed that many women think they are receptive to male emotional openness but react with hostility when it turns o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:31 PM
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That never happened, though. Google Erin Pizzey. No. Google Brené Brown.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:32 PM
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Giving your female partner compliments is not gentleman game, that's just normal. Not gonna argue about your overall point, though I think you're tilting at windmills.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:16 PM
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Women can be friends with men too, so it's not an "only men can solve" kind of problem. I think you just think lonely men are unworthy and are trying to come up with reasons they should be ostracized and invalidated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:15 PM
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Must we infantilize these guys? To the same degree we "infantilize" women in similar situations. For guys it's difficult because the societal messaging is constantly "women can't abuse men, and if you think she's abusing you, suck it up and do what she wants. Your job is to provide for her." There are other scripts for women but the way men and women have to deal with abuse is different, typically.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:14 PM
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It has been flipped for literally CENTURIES & we turned it around for ourselves. It’s still a work in progress, but we’ve come a long way. Not really, no. Women are failing at living genuine lives, for the most part. It’s all just “woe is me” & “but women will call us names” when we suggest they make a movement for themselves to say “be able to show emotions without backlash, etc.” Feminists attack movements men make for themselves. Feminists got male domestic violence shelters shut down; their …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:02 PM
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That’s not completely true because some older women say that they love not getting attention from strangers. I think they're only comfortable with this because they're getting attention somewhere else. If they were getting literally none they would not be down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:56 PM
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Tell that to all the women who demand that their male partner listen to their hour-long vent session about work after every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:41 PM
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I’m saying men should focus on living rather than solely focusing on finding someone to live for. Women seem to hate what men do when they aren't thinking about women. I don't think you mean this genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:40 PM
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it’s still unfortunate to see someone be so desperate especially when they keep saying that you’re the solution but you don’t want them The problem is you're invalidating rather than trying to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:40 PM
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Most women have bigger goals than being in a relationship and it’s unfortunate that men can’t think of a good life without one. Most women are not happy without regular romantic attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:39 PM
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If he had done that his wife would have left him. I've seen this before.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:34 PM
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Even if he's only attractive to a very small percentage of women he's still going to do better than the guy who gets all hung up on shit sitting at home worrying who never attracts anyone. That's more of a failing on womens' part rather than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:33 PM
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Why on Earth would a man put up with this sort of attitude? Because it's either that or be alone. And if he does, whose fault is that? The fault of the women emotionally abusing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:31 PM
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You might think so but it's not going to come off that way to the people who interact with you. That's on them. They can be rotten-hearted and have bad judgment if they want. You are emotional, you just hide from every interaction that may bring up emotions. Is this a weird tangent? I didn't say I'm not emotional. Regardless, you can't put yourself in danger to satisfy a drug fix and then call yourself strong. You're weak, giving in to an urge. If women think that guys is "confident" then women …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:37 PM
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You aren't emotionally strong if you lack confidence in yourself socially and constantly worry about what you should say next to the woman you are chatting up. Maybe not, but you're stronger than a drug addict who's putting themselves in danger to score.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:17 PM
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But that’s not what I’m doing. I'm not convinced. You were very quick to deflect responsibility to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:27 PM
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There's a number of behaviors, but the most noticeable is acting like women have inherent value but men are inherently worthless unless they make themselves useful to women. Like how men have to "work on themselves" before they're worthy of a relationship, but women deserve a partner to help them through their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:26 PM
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A drug addict with confidence to go into high crime areas to get drugs will likely end up attracting more women than a guy who had a decent job in a cubicle who over thinks every word that comes out of his mouth. Maybe, but the drug addict doesn't have emotional strength or strength of character compared to the cubicle worker, so your point in your earlier post isn't correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:17 PM
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And if you had no male attention you'd be desperately hunting that validation. That's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:16 PM
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I agree that we should blame shitty parents which includes shitty mothers but if a full grown adult man isn’t putting in the work to overcome that childhood adversity, I think we can blame him because at this point the damage done by the mother is already done. In theory you're right, but in practice it becomes "I will never blame a mother for treating her son like shit, I will instead blame the son."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:13 PM
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It's not that, it's about status. A guy can be an emotionally unstable wreck who's abusive but if he's impressive to her female peer group and good for her social standing most women will say he makes her feel "safe."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:39 PM
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No, we need to blame women who are being shitty, not just put it all on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:31 PM
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Okay. Then the dudes here can keep blaming women and then wonder why women won't fuck them. No. It's when you ask a woman what she's into in bed and she gets mad. "You should just know!" As do the men here, but they never seem to want to discuss those. Given the social norm of male hyperagency it doesn't need to be discussed. Nobody said that The women here really want to say that. You can see it on reddit in general with people who try to deflect any criticism of women away to "patriarchy."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:11 PM
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Nah. The women on this sub seem to really hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:10 PM
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There are a few shitbags in every group.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:11 PM
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There are some guys that just like to criticise because it makes them feel better about themselves Nah, it's because we were raised with every emotion we had criticized and every boundary we set trampled on. And this is borne out in adulthood, with most women being extremely hostile towards their male partner's genuine expressions of vulnerability. It's hard to provide a space for other people's vulnerability if you were never allowed to be vulnerable. It's wrong to provide a space for other peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:04 PM
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Not in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:02 PM
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If I lost icky validation I would be in trouble? I think a lot of the validation you get that you call icky isn't actually icky to you, but regardless, the segment of validation that you get that makes you feel good. I can tell you that as a woman who is now older who does not get as much attention as I did in my 20s and 30s, it's actually refreshing. Doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:55 PM
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In fact a lot of the attention we receive that men thinks is "validating" is unwanted and icky. But you get enough external validation that it keeps you afloat. If you lost that you'd be in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:49 PM
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As a woman who is baffled by anxiously attached people Imagine your mother hated you but was stuck with you. But she didn't want you to go do your own thing, she wanted you to stay around and feel her disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:41 PM
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Most women self validate No. Most women need external validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:40 PM
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I want him to make me feel I can be myself around him, I can say what I want without being criticised or threatened I've definitely met women who want this, but they haven't been willing to offer the same thing. Who wants to never be criticized? What if you're off base?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:40 PM
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Can't when you have a felony conviction in the states that work like that. That's basically what makes up the difference. It's also why women who complain about men having all the power are full of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:37 PM
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It's code for feeling socially safe - they want a male partner that their female peers won't insult them for. Most of what makes women afraid is the fear of social consequences, but they will pretend that they fear physical consequences so they're taken more seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:34 PM
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They always like to pretend that sexual orientation somehow negates their options, when the options are “mutually gratifying sex” vs “allowing someone who disgusts me to use my body to masturbate into while I lie there frustrated and humiliated”. Given that women who were terrified of COVID would break quarantine to get with tindr hookups, I don't think your description is accurate. Women wanted that attention something fierce. But those men have precisely the same chance at revolting, unsatisfy…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:27 PM
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Download Grindr and you’ll have access to all the sex with people you’re not interested in at all — who could be interested in you! Straight women are attracted to men is the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:25 PM
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Women are more likely to say they're in a relationship than men in the same circumstances. Irrelevant to the point. When most women mean single, they mean they're still getting regular sex and attention from potential partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:25 PM
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You blame women for men being bad at sex Given how many women won't communicate in the bedroom that's not on men lol also blame women for remaining single Not blaming them, just pointing out that they have responsibility for their choices. Kinda seems like you just want to blame women. Just to acknowledge that women aren't pure as the driven snow, and that there are shitty things women do to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:24 PM
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In this case it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:22 PM
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Another day, another post about how good women have it because they can get sex at any time as long as they don't care about actually enjoying it. Women seem to chase it a lot for supposedly not enjoying it. If you think that's really so great, then you can sign up for Grindr and you'll have so many options you'll be beating them off with both hands. That's not how sexual orientation works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:22 PM
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Women are doing better than men now economically, especially 20, 30, and even some 40 somethings That's because of the massive unearned advantages girls and young women have in education and socialization i.e. the institutions put a finger on the scale for their benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:20 PM
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Stop emotionally neglecting your boys. Women are more likely to emotionally neglect or emotionally distance themselves from their sons than their daughters. Stop socializing and raising boys to think they're a burden. These things together give men and boys a tendency towards avoidant attachment styles, which heighten their "loneliness." Stop treating your male partner's socializing with his male friends as something you need to police. Stop treating divorced male friends as lepers and getting m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:18 PM
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Maybe. Or maybe you could stop looking for excuses to hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:14 PM
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The male loneliness epidemic is deeply entwined with dating. A lot of has to do with women having hostility to their male partner socializing rather than earning for her. He doesn't have the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:13 PM
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However, it is womens' fault if they have no empathy for men. It is womens' fault if they sabotage men making support networks. If there are problems that men face, (like circumcision, the male draft, unfair custody etc.) men have the power to legally change them. No. Women make up a larger segment of the electorate. Men don't have power like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:12 PM
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I know plenty of women who are focused on their careers (usually school) and socializing so they currently neglect dating. All the women I know like that (I'm in academia) have regular fuckbuddies. If they actually stop getting male attention/regular sex they lose their shit. But they're "single and not looking,' but not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:09 PM
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Women tend to feel worse about their bodies after having kids. No, they specifically tend to find the father of their children unattractive after having kids. They'll cheat on him with other guys afterwards. It's not about body image - it's something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:48 AM
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No, I'm referring to the "I am the table" mindset, where entitled women don't think they have to bring any value to their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 11:52 PM
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He gets female attention from teenagers to women in their thirties, sometimes a date. But rarely a second date, because he's stiff, awkward, uncomfortable, argumentative, combative, and suffers that sense of justice people find incompatible with rapport. More likely he can't trust or build rapport with women because he was raised in a household with you. If I was raised in a household with people who hated me for breathing, it'd be traumatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 11:21 PM
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I don’t wanna hang around some dude that provides no value to me, why would I want that? You'll have to ask what men see in women, then - when asked what women bring to the table, women don't seem to have a good answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 11:19 PM
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Western men had that advantage for thousands of years and they treated women horribly. Eastern men still have that advantage and they use it to control every aspect of women’s lives. That is definitely racism. Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 11:18 PM
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I haven't seen any evidence that men and women are different in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 11:17 PM
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Not true, and irrelevant to my point. Women get pretty desperate too if they're actually denied sex. We saw that during COVID with women not being able to handle social distancing if they weren't able to meet men on the regular.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 10:52 PM
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If you're not going to take this seriously shove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 10:50 PM
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Literally swathes of women GLOBALLY are opting out by choice . Most "single" women I know are still regularly having sex with men, they just can't get men to commit so claim they aren't playing that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 10:50 PM
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If it’s interpreted negatively, that’s beyond my control. No, you could always be less stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:13 AM
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The value of a human being is not in their utility. That's basic humanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:13 AM
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Godspeed and good luck! You posting this is incredibly annoying and disrespectful. Presumably it’s a subset of masculinity. In this context, I was taught being a man is measured by Independence. Physically. Mentally and emotionally. Financially and practically. For example a strong man is physically independent. If they know how to handle themselves too, these types of men can go almost anywhere they please. Quite a luxury. Translation: he does not demand that others satisfy his needs, but is av…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:05 AM
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I guess that's one way to look at it. I wouldn't phrase it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:31 PM
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They watch it because it is at least trying to cater to them and their options are slim. Aight cool, that entirely negates your criticism of my point. Not sure what this means and I don't see why you think your idea is the correct one over mine. It means that women think of men as "lesser," and find the idea that they have to show them affection as degrading. That's why most women find giving affirmative consent a turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:46 PM
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In practical terms a lot of men have a hard time respecting an "equal" woman. Nope. Men do a great job respecting women in my experience; women think men are a burden and have to apologize for their existence by being useful or sexy. Whereas your statement is just something made up by the manosphere, you have no proof of it. If that weren't true, women wouldn't preferentially date men who make more money than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:43 PM
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It seems like women end up having to do both most of the time: work & cook, clean, etc. It's normal for women to do a slight majority of those tasks because men tend to work longer hours outside of the home. But the perception that it's very out of wack is mostly borne out of anti-male bias in perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:38 PM
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I've seen the reverse - more often nonwhite girls go for white guys, and nonwhite guys are seen as "lesser" and thus it's harder for them to date out of their race.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:11 PM
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Doesn't having an equal partner sound more relaxing or no? In theory, but in practical terms a lot of women have a hard time respecting an "equal" man, because they think they have inherent value as a woman that makes them worth more than him, all else being equal. Props to the women without this attitude though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:07 PM
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I think the "ick" on TikTok is mostly in jest. I don't think girls up and leave their boyfriend because he looks goofy swimming. I think its just humor. Like he just looks goofy? And it's okay to look goofy I don't. I think some of it is in jest, but FDS and the female posters on this sub take it seriously, and in general women are very sensitive to what their female peers think of their romantic partners. "Insult a man's woman, he might let you have it. If you insult a woman's man, she'll go ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:05 PM
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Men seem to have unrealistic physical preferences and women seem to have unrealistic emotional preferences, to around the same extent No, plenty of women have unrealistic physical preferences. Like women who think the Rock is "natural" and wonder why all men don't have that physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:55 PM
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"post nut clarity" is not disgust for women. Your entire post is fearmongering and anti-male bigotry. Par for the course.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:50 PM
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Banishing menstruating women has been the practice since pre-history. Yes, everywhere and with no exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:45 PM
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The reality is that men will fvck and casual date down a few points Why are you masking "fuck"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:45 PM
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Like you said, many women will risk their lives for a bad partner if he turns them on. That's horniness - which is separate from what percentage of men (for straight women) turn them on. The problem is that society judges men based on their ability to attract women, so men who want to step back from dating and not worry about it are shamed fiercely, and we have a culture where men have to approach women. And there's a number of other factors besides. The libido gap is not that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:42 PM
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If your a grown man why am I instructing you. Because different things get different women off. Some women like being choked, some women don't. What's he supposed to do, guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:32 PM
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Chick flicks are few and far between male interests that are represented literally everywhere and they're also often written by men, not women. No. Much of media is oriented around women. Who cares who writes chick flicks if it's women who are watching them? I think men wanting to be sexualized and romanticized more is a recent development in the collective male conciousness because they realize the old way is no longer working and they need desire from women instead of just surrender. No, back …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:32 PM
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I don't consider myself "Red Pill," but mostly for women to not think that a guy's moral worth is based on how much female attention he gets. It's the norm and it's a big problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:33 PM
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Aight, irrelevant to what I'm talking about then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:27 PM
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Oof. Bud. I've experienced it myself. It's far more common than most men will admit lmao I've experienced women making up stories about how hard they have it and how terrible men are very frequently. We don't think all men are terrible. The majority of women on here will default to "men are all terrible" rather than do some introspection. However, the fact that a lot of women are pointing out that some men just don't listen when we communicate our sexual needs and argue with us isn't painting al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:07 PM
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What the heck are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:05 PM
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It's a literal joke amongst women that men will rub the left labia over a clit and argue with you when you don't orgasm. And that joke doesn't necessarily have any basis in reality, considering women gain social clout for making "men ain't shit" comments that have no actual support. Like, most men's inability and unwillingness to communicate productively with women is just an accepted norm at this point. Only because if these women admitted that men weren't uniformly terrible they'd have to do s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:02 PM
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I disagree. Women with a lot of male friends they are addicted to attention from - red flag. But sometimes women just have jobs or hobbies that are male-dominated and have a lot of male friends. I have a friend who works on motorcycles and scooters as a hobby - she has loads of male friends because of how that community is. She isn't chasing romantic attention from them, she just wants to geek out about motorcycle engines with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:53 PM
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No, men don't need to be reminded that. But it's not about elementary instructions - women who like to be choked would prefer to not say anything and be choked, women who like dirty talk would rather their partner just starts dirty talking them exactly the way they like it instead of having to let them know what they're into, etc. It comes down to women mostly having a lot of neuroses around sex and being unwilling to take ownership of their own sexuality. Guys learn early that unless they speak…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:51 PM
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Lmao, nope! But it checks out that is what most men would assume what happens. Because it happens to us a lot. Have you tried talking to a human woman before? Lmao Yes? This is part of why most women find giving affirmative consent a turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:48 PM
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Except you yourself admitted a lot of women are complaining about it. If what you're saying was true, women wouldn't be complaining because it'd be easy to find those lovers you can never communicate with and somehow still have a great sex life. No, you need to take responsibility for your own body and sexuality. I doubt that will happen, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:46 PM
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I met his exgf. She definitely told him. He told me she told him. These men literally tell on themselves at this point lmao. She told him what? That she wasn't satisfied? Let me guess, and then she huffed and said "you should just know" when asked what she was into? Also, why would you even want to have sex with someone who isn't even enjoying it? That's creepy af A lot of guys unfortunately don't get much positive feedback from their female partners, because for those female partners giving pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:45 PM
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The funny part is my husband told me his prior partners weren't impressed and literally told him he wasn't a good sexual partner and They probably wouldn't tell him what they wanted, they just wanted to criticize. A lot of women are like this and it discourages men from trying. At that point, it's like "well, I'll get myself off because you aren't giving me enough to work with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:37 PM
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Either way, it's still an unreasonable position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:35 PM
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Most women find affirmative consent a turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:34 PM
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Well, go ahead and tell the women in this thread who are saying that guys ahouldn't communicate with their femalr partners and should "just know" how to please them in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:29 PM
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so for a woman to take a more active role, it means they are choosing between touching the man, balancing, or touching their own clit. Sounds like an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:12 PM
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I never said ignore it. Yes you did. You said not to blame others. Not blaming others when they do you wrong is ignoring it. Whining and “woe is me” is not going to change the world. Understanding how other people have screwed you over is a necessary step towards fixing oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:11 PM
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then with that woman you already lost, she already thinks you are less masculine for not knowing about female anatomy No, she already lost, she's a shit communicator who's going to have bad sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:07 PM
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I agree, but I feel sympathy for her frustration. You feel sympathy for Lori Daybell, that doesn't mean anything. So don't date her, she'll find a man who is attentive and engaged. No, she won't, because she won't communicate and is a bad partner. Her male partner, on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:01 PM
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I mean, if someone was emotionally neglected, they're a victim of neglect, and a "victim mentality" is entirely appropriate. If your take is a man who's ever been a victim of such a thing is never a real man, and he has to pretend it never happened to him because showing weakness is unmanly, then congratulations, your heart is rotten and you deserve to be unhappy. Again, the first step towards solving a problem is identifying it. Pretending it didn't happen is not going to help. You can't be res…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:58 PM
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Dude... they are communicating. A woman who's faking an orgasm is not. Or at least, not effectively. Some men are just disengaged and lazy or selfish and want to demand written instructions in triplicate so they can blame her for their inability to respond to physical cues. Some men, sure. But they're fairly rare. What's more common is a guy asking his girlfriend what gets her off and her getting huffy because she realizes if she tells him, and it doesn't get her off, that's on her. So she's stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:51 PM
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Want to tell me where and why you assume that women with shitty lovers are experiencing anxiety or neurosis instead of simply, obvious sexual frustration? Because they don't want to communicate or be open about that frustration or what's going on - they just want to skip straight to the "blame" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:48 PM
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If you go onto actual areas where people talk about this, communication (the verbal kind) is always held up as the gold standard. It's not something that men (or women) just know. The issue is that you are very neurotic and so you get anxiety when you have to communicate your needs, and blame men for your own flaws, and thus are looking for a situation where you never have to work on yourself by overcoming that anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:41 PM
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They are communicating, some men simply can't or won't pay attention and read physical cues. Nope. Like women who fake orgasms and then complain that their male partner isn't getting him off. You can't get mad if you're lying to him. There's a lot of women who want to blame men for their own anxiety/neuroses, and this is one example. It's why you should avoid relationships with neurotic women, because unlike most men, most women are not taught to take responsibility for their actions and so blam…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:39 PM
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This user made a post about how much they hate how men breathe. They are incredibly bigoted and anti-male.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:36 PM
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In my limited experience, men do just get it because they are attentive and engaged. Your experience must be really limited then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:36 PM
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We've had this discussion numerous times. Men refuse to listen and do what they want to do anyway, or worse, emulate porn. Nope, the problem of women being shitty communicators is much more prevalent. Men think they know better than women and the moment a woman says "That's the spot, keep doing that" he invariably changes up the rhythm, changes the pressure, or does something else entirely because he thinks women don't know what they want. Only if they know through experience that their current …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:33 PM
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It can be relatively pleasurable, sure, but between the average guy's length, and the fact that it takes more focus for a woman to cum than a man and now she's putting most of her focus into moving her entire body, it's not all that worth it. More excuses as to why women starfish. I don't believe it. It's just women being afraid of taking an active role in sex because of anxiety/neuroses, and coming up with backwards justifications for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:32 PM
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Huh? No. If anything it'll make them both feel better because of mutual reciprocal desire. It's that a lot of women don't want to be active in bed because they don't want responsibility; if the sex is bad they want to be able to blame their partner 100%, and not catch any of the blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:31 PM
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Most guys don’t actively complain about a woman being a starfish to her, That's because it's generally considered evil in our society for a man to criticize a woman for not getting him off well enough, whereas women are justified in judging mens' performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:25 PM
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Well a lot of women find it a turnoff if they have to tell their male partner what gets them off, so I guess a lot of women don't find it masculine either...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:25 PM
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From what I've learned, that tends to be mostly pleasureable for the guy. No, it can be very pleasurable for women too. But it requires her to take a bit of responsibility/an active role, and many women are averse to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:20 PM
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I guarantee most guys don't like that, they'd prefer an active partner. It's not coming from guys; it's coming from women who want to make the sex act his responsibility and not hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:19 PM
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Alot of men will do it in the beginning...they become complacent over time. Again, sounds like bad communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:18 PM
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They believe they know better than women and might also be averse to taking instructions from a woman, who they regard as subordinate. Considering a lot of women take the "he should just know" attitude towards male sexual performance, no, it's not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:18 PM
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while i agree communication is super important, the partner has to actually listen. Sure, but the bigger problem is that women don't communicate well on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:16 PM
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All men’s problems are actually because of a women. Nope, just this one. Regardless of your mother, you as an adult man need to fix your shit. First step towards fixing that shit is understanding what's wrong. Excuses are for losers. Be a winner. "Don't fix the problem, please. The white knights won't like it."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:03 PM
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Would you ever hold a woman responsible? Don't think so. Emotional neglect is serious, and it's unfortunately normalized in our culture against boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:05 AM
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Apparently many men are absolutely shocked that women value looks. Like what? Did you not pay attention in middle school? The popular boys were popular because they were good looking. Same thing happened with popular girls, they were popular because they looked better than most other girls. At least in the US, it was common for boys to constantly be told that girls don't value looks nearly as much, and if a girl was into a guy it wasn't because of his looks, it was because of his personality. Fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:11 PM
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Nah, they do it to blame and harass men. And then they'll hit you with "if it makes you uncomfortable you must be part of the problem and we were right to call you trash." or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:06 PM
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I've asked posters where in this sub the men saying all this horrible shit about taking womens' rights away is, and they then link other subs or even other websites. Overall it's incredibly stupid and shows a lack of ability to follow a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:05 PM
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Which woman? I'm a man but wasn't assigned a woman to lord over. Did I miss a meeting? Or is that the idea of the patriarchy just doesn't match up with reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:51 PM
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I never said I am unconcerned with women experiencing pain, otherwise I wouldn't have advocated for medication to help women deal with their sexual dysfunction and just told them to grin and bear it. But let's go back to how you think that when a woman isn't experiencing desire it's her male partner's responsibility but if a man isn't experiencing desire he's on his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:50 PM
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Yeah if people start blaming me for shit I didn't do I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:48 PM
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It's weird how even the state of being in want of a partner is offensive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:32 PM
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For example, if a guy is going through a rough patch at work and has no drive, he can still tell his partner how hot she is or offer to give her a massage. Or maybe she could offer something to him instead of him having to perform to satisfy her, if he's going through a rough patch... no wait, that'd be crazy, no man is worth that. The fact that your solution to a man being unable to perform is him having to satisfy his female partner in other ways but your reaction to a woman unable to to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:31 PM
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No, I'm saying the men who don't see anything wrong likely are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:28 PM
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I see women saying all that and worse about men, honestly. Some of the women here fucking hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:13 PM
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The issue is that guys like you don’t realize how much easier life is for us men. It's not. Men die younger, have less access to medical care, have less access to education, are more likely to be neglected by parents, etc. The nonstop complaining is a massive turnoff for women. If women are upset by the truth, that's a flaw in their hearts, not those of the people speaking the truth. You wouldn’t fuck you if you were a woman and read all the garbage you post on here. Could say the same thing exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:12 PM
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Yeah, I'm very left wing but the absolute hatred I get from women who are outspokenly feminist definitely gives me pause.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:10 PM
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You should check out the Dead Bedrooms subreddit and read about what women have to say about reactive sexuality. I've looked at that sub; most of the women in there are high libido, and despise low-libido men or men who don't actively pursue them. And to the best of my knowledge, there is no treatment for what you want to call female sexual dysfunction that is as easy and effective as a little blue pill. Maybe not quite as easy, but Addyi and Vyleesi are both a thing - and viagra does have an ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:05 PM
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Patriarchy puts every man above a woman. Given that society doesn't put every man above every woman, this means that patriarchy doesn't model our society well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:02 PM
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I appreciate the sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:01 PM
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No, it's almost always phrased as the power of men in general and used to put guilt on men, collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:01 PM
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Men generally become richer from marriage while women become poorer. Nah. Common myth. Women tend to marry men who have a higher income potential than she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:00 PM
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Some people's families suck. My mom is abusive and hates me for not being born female and the rest of my family lives out of the state
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:59 PM
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Right, because playing a game where you have to work harder than someone else to earn even less than them doesn't feel right or fair. People have a sense of fairness; sociopaths and psychopaths don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:57 PM
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Anxiety, fear and lack of self esteem. To a t all men who have trouble with women deal with it using one single strategy....AVOIDANCE. That's because boys are emotionally neglected by their mothers, and tend to be more introverted and have an avoidant attachment style. The way to solve this is to stop treating men like they're a burden just for existing and shame mothers who persist in neglecting their sons compared to their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:56 PM
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So it's offensive if he stays home, offensive if he goes out, what do you want him to do, just hang himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:55 PM
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Guys aren't problem solvers anymore. They are. They just realized the game isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:54 PM
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It isn't represented to the same level as male sexuality in art and culture so men haven't a clue. No, chick flicks are common and most guys have seen a few. They talk about it like some alien concept whereas women pretty much know what men like by the time they reach adulthood because men's interests are plastered everywhere. No, the way mens' sexuality is represented in media is not how most men are. Most men like to be desired, they don't like to be the pursuing partner all the time - but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:53 PM
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Women are more likely to have reactive sexuality than men. Sure, but if a man has reactive sexuality, it's not like his female partner is going to be understanding of that; she'll get mad at him for not making her feel desired. It's not about active/reactive. A woman's not going to have reactive sexuality if she's actually attracted to her male partner; reactive sexuality is code for "I don't find you attractive but if you stroke my ego enough by making me feel desired I may get a bit horny." He…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:49 PM
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Besides "hypergamy," I guess, there's the "boys are stupid throw rocks at them" idea - the idea that boys and men are inherently unworthy and disgusting, and can only sufficiently apologize for their inherent maleness by being sexually attractive or useful. It's very dehumanizing, and you get women who say they wish they didn't have to interact with men outside of the guy they're currently partnered with, if any. It means that male/female socializing is on the decline, because women have decided…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:45 PM
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Those things are stamped out of men at a young age, mostly by their mothers. Displaying emotions is healthy, but most women react with visceral disgust when their male partner does so. Men are healthier than women in terms of diet and exercise habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:43 PM
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Unfortunately if you ask any woman, they can tell you about a time when men harassed or abused them (usually starting as kids). The weird thing is that I've had female friends tell stories about being abused that I know aren't true, and when I ask them about it they're like "Well, it's happened to women I know, so I just say it like it happened to me." Which is a really weird thing to do and I think creates this weird culture of fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:42 PM
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I don't see that stat on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:38 PM
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No, the 42% stat is true. Where's it from?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:37 PM
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What about this completely unrelated thing huh? How dare you talk about one thing when something else exists that I care about more! The issue is that people who support the idea of patriarchy either say this never happens (I've seen it all over reddit, people saying that women don't enforce toxic gender norms), or that when they do it's just patriarchy, and patriarchy is mens' fault so it's more the fault of the man or boy she's victimizing than her herself. The point is it shows how morally ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:24 PM
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I mean, it's all over. Top of page 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:34 PM
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What claim am I making that you think you're contradicting?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:29 PM
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It's what I'm talking about - all those things that she claimed she had to do were probably not even asked for or wanted by her male partner, it's just she did them so she could demand things in return. Sounds very toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:19 PM
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I think it is. What were you talking about? Also it's much more common that a female partner controls a male partner's social life than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:15 PM
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This sub reinforced the idea that a segment of women just fucking hate men and want us to suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:44 PM
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First, yes, dating burnout is real for women too and I’m glad someone else says it!! It's often on them. They do things their partner never wanted or asked for and then get mad that they "have" to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:35 PM
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I've found the opposite in my relationships; I'm the one who puts more effort into them, and I'm a guy. Now, some of these women claimed they out more effort into it, but when you broke it down for them and showed how they didn't they'd get angry and accuse you or "keeping score" or whatever. Like they were just doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:34 PM
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Of the men you're dating. Those men are definitely out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:32 PM
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It doesn't mean men need to hold all guilt but it does suggest that men in particular will need to do some work to help break it down. Uh huh. And what does it say about women who enforce toxic gender roles on men and boys for the benefit of women? It doesn't mean all men are in power It means they believe that all men have power that women don't, and generally leads to bullshit like thinking that poor nonwhite men are entitled and have unfair advantages but wealthy white women aren't. It's freq…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:26 PM
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This doesn't disprove my point, and doesn't disprove the idea that mothers love their sons less than their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:23 PM
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Happened to one of my high school friends too. His two older sisters sat him down and said that he needed to start dating he was making them look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:22 PM
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Nah, I have some very close family friends who had that dynamic in their family. It seems pretty common.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:30 PM
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Because the same women who are afraid of men would shame them for being cowards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:29 PM
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Did you respond to the wrong comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:28 PM
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OK buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:28 PM
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I'm a guy who finds disagreeable, compassionate, brave women attractive. In my experience they are rare (especially the disagreeable part).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:18 AM
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I have seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:17 AM
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In my experience, many people, including most women, disagree, and base a man's worth on how much female companionship he gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:16 AM
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No. Butnat least they might stop treating men who don't have dating success as evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:15 AM
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It's so not accurate too. Most sisters with brothers of dating age express lots of empathy and desire to help if there's a good and healthy connection there. I don't have any sisters but I saw more abject hatred than anything else from sisters to brothers. If a brother didn't have success in dating her sister hated him for it because it reflected badly on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:13 AM
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Women are more likely to neglect their sons rather than their daughters, that's well established.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:12 AM
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Yes. It's making the person in question unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:11 AM
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Maybe you do, but a surprisingly large amount of women have a "my female relatives are important people, my male relatives are disposable." attitude. The higher rate of neglect by mothers to boys rather than girls is emblematic of that I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:09 AM
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What's a "bigger uni"? It's been the case at every school I've been to, and I've attended community college, state schools, and universities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:02 AM
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People find out, and there's a lot of socialization that goes on at these things that you'll get locked out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:00 AM
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deny patriarchy even exists Yeah, because that idea results in shitty models of the real world, like women never being responsible for enforcing toxic gender roles on men, and all of men sharing collective guilt for all of society's problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:46 AM
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Those girls are pretty close to the feminist academics I know, and it's part of why I wouldn't date an outspoken feminist. I don't want one who's going to be a shitty parent, and anybody like that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:45 AM
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Where do women go to meet men who are interested in meeting women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:43 AM
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This just....simply isn't true? I went to all these things single, there were single men when I went single. There are still single women and single men who do these things as well as couples. When was this? I've found it to be true that single men are treated like lepers. Your partnered male friends will be discouraged from interacting with you by their female partners, your family will care less about you, etc. If you don't bother to build yourself a social circle then you won't have a social …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:02 PM
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I disagree that that's most women. I think a lot of women want to give the impression that they're not receptive to that kind of pursuit, the same way a lot of guys like to pretend they're not romantic, but it's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:03 PM
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In my experience women react positively towards guys they're attracted to complimenting their body. Maybe she's an exception but I doubt it. The idea that most women dislike being complimented on their body is being pushed in this thread and it isn't true; it depends on who's doing the complimenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:45 PM
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Because if you're not attractive to her you're SOL anyway. Also, not all women find the same guys attractive. The point is to find people you are into that are into you that share similar enough values that you can have a fulfilling and lasting relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:43 PM
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You're right, but there are people on this sub saying it's a meritocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:07 PM
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Irrelevant to the point, which is that women see positive comments about their body from men they find attractive as positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:06 PM
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Right, because any given women finds most men unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:05 PM
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Do people not have social group meet ups anymore where they live? They're full of partnered people and they treat single men like lepers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:50 PM
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Stop complimenting my body first. Feeling sexualized too soon makes me think you're just like every other guy. Compliment the things I am doing instead. If a woman is attracted to a guy she wants him to compliment her body. Literally the first thing Arnold Schwarzenegger said to Maria Shriver was "that is an amazing ass."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:49 PM
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Single men showing up to dance classes are treated like lepers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:48 PM
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Irrelevant to the point. Collective guilt for an entire gender is never ok and just makes you a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:44 PM
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It's not a double standard. People talk shit about men here all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:36 PM
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Given that women are less likely to be the victim of violence than men, no, that doesn't seem correct. It's that the media sells fear, and women are buying. True Crime, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:36 PM
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Not being in a relationship is not extreme stress/trauma and you are incredibly lame if you think it is. It does make your mental health worse, though, and the causative flow is stronger in that direction than bad mental health making your relationship prospects worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:29 PM
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But you aren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:27 PM
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I've definitely seen it, and I see it more than women minimizing their problems. Absent any actual evidence I'm going to persist with the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:22 AM
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Schizophrenia has a genetic component but it can be triggered in young adulthood by episodes of extreme stress. Or heavy cannabis use. I'm sure there are other triggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:21 AM
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Women tend to underplay our romantic difficulties when talking with our female friends. Being unsuccessful with men is ridiculed by other women. Nope. Many women will get together and try to one-up each other with how hard they have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:10 AM
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Every heterosexual man I know in real life is either married or dating someone or many someones. No, you said this in your previous post. I'm guessing you're just saying stuff that has no actual bearing on your reality, just whatever you can say to play out your fantasy of demonizing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:33 AM
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Sorry, I should be more specific. The women in question can't build good social connections with men because their brains have been cooked to the point to where being around men constantly trips their atavistic response.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:05 AM
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Probably. But we're talking about women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:00 AM
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Friendships are not a substitute for romantic partners. Also, men need to spend more time building their career than women do, so there's less time for that kind of friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:11 PM
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You said it was a good thing that someone gave a "mature" response compared to everyone else in the thread. Go look through your own posts, it's in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:05 PM
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What if? If she isn’t giving you any oral then either review your hygiene or move on. If you know your hygiene is good, then probably just move on, she's lying when she says she gives a shit about you. She sees you as a provider drone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:04 PM
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Nah, they're all over this sub, saying all you need to succeed at dating is to be "clean" and "not misogynist."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:02 PM
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Ah, so you're a bigot then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:54 PM
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Bullshit. Statistically speaking, also, women find egalitarian men less attractive than sexist men. You have to do a lot more than that. There are plenty of clean, nonmisogynist men who have trouble with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:49 PM
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You can't take that seriously. Women tell hyperbolic stories about how hard they have it as a way of competing for sympathy among their female peer group.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:46 PM
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The only men who are "struggling" are struggling because of conditions they create Just world fallacy. Enough with that bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:43 PM
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That's because of the circles you move in. I know a lot of single guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:42 PM
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Professionally I’ve worked with a lot of men who struggle to form relationships, but they are mostly diagnosed with schizophrenia or another mental illness so not sure how accurate and reflection they are on the rest of the population. That kinda makes sense, since not being in a relationship causes poor mental health. But what stopped them from getting in a relationship in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:39 PM
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Because her husband happens to be 8”…twice the size of her ex…..then that means she doesn’t believe her husband is worthy of love? Eh, not really the prompt provided. What if it's blowjobs? Why would she enjoy giving them to an ex but not her current partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:38 PM
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I know it's true for some women. I worked with a few. They also spent a lot of time on reddit because were afraid to go out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:36 PM
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That's what you implied. And it fits with the idea a lot of women here have that the men they pick for long term relationships are provider drones not worthy of true love or affection, but who must provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:53 PM
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Maybe you aren't but a lot of women are. Joining new clubs or entering new social circles as a single guy is always going to be harder than as a single woman. That's why women travel so kuch when they're young compared to men, they get a warmer reception.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:04 PM
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Nah, not all of us are like that, don't paint with so broad a brush.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:43 PM
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IMO it's more that she wanted to keep the first guy more so she was willing to be more adventurous in bed to keep him interested, whereas she sees her current partner as beneath her and thus being adventurous with him is degrading to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:41 PM
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Aight. In the US, it's the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:39 PM
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If I was into MFM threesomes maybe I'd find it fun, but I'm not. They were willing to see their partner fuck someone else before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:39 PM
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Are you male or female? Where did you grow up?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:02 PM
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What do they get out of the threesome without doing it with someone they care about, though? It seems like they were more concerned with pleasing the first guy so she agreed to a threesome (MFF I assume). Whereas with her current partner he isn't worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:53 PM
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Because men are told from the time they're little boys by the female authority figures in their life (mothers etc) that that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:47 PM
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who says that the 'good men' in the friendzone are actually good? Well, some of them are. most of the time they're pedestalizing women and using being nice as a dating strategy I thought the problem was treating women as subhuman, if you just treated women like people it would work out?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:42 PM
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Was it? Regardless, then, it's wrong, because the difference between men and women in that situation isn't statistically significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:38 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was because of the study, but if it's not that's just bias, because that work was done again, properly this time, and there wasn't a statistically significant difference between men and women getting divorced in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:34 PM
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Women's hobbies tend to be more productive lmao this is absolute bull It's just because people want single women around, so they're more friendly towards them and welcome them in, and are hostile towards single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:23 PM
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Or just that the womens brains are fried on neuroticism and feminism and they can't build good social connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:21 PM
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Nope, that study was retracted. People persist in it because they really want to hate men but it was based on bad science by people who really wanted to hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:20 PM
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Men are more likely to leave their female partners when they become terminally ill. My parents were already divorced when dx-ed, but doctors give women dx-ed with cancer information about divorce. That's based on a misinformation. That study was retracted and was pushed by people who really wanted to hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:20 PM
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I need to keep the question somewhat generic otherwise I am giving you the opinion. Except you're going around in the thread saying that some people are "mature" or "correct" so it's clear that you have an opinion you think is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:16 PM
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Why don't they think they would? They don't see you as sexy? What's the reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:13 PM
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No, enough with this shit. If someone says "I see you as a nice partner for the resources you provide but you won't get real affection, unlike the people I actually care about" it's immature and insecure to stay in that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:13 PM
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No. "Assume it's something they enjoyed previously" is in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:11 PM
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Not at all. Women lose attraction to partners after cohabiting and especially having kids, often no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:02 PM
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Why can’t you just listen to what a woman is fucking saying when she says she’s not comfortable with something. If she's comfortable with doing it with other people and not with you when you're in serious relationship that's a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:01 PM
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Either way, no one should enter into a serious relationship if they are inexperienced and have fomo So what's your take, that serious relationships are not for fun sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:00 PM
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A lot of those assumptions are fairly plausible. It seems like you're trying to "gotcha" people but your premise is too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:56 PM
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He has a blog he posts on sometimes with a headshot, so it'd be quite the hustle to conceal things that much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/23 06:24 PM
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It probably applies within relationships too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:33 PM
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Just because someone doesn’t want to date you doesn’t mean they are disgusted by you. They might not want to take part in the initiation of a virgin when can come with lots of unintentional emotions/feelings. Oh sure, but virgin men also seem to be despised by most women. There's a moral component to it, not just "I don't want to get involved."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:50 PM
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My reasoning for not wanting to date single mothers has to do with seeing other guys get caught in a fucked-up relationship dynamic where they have to take responsibility for a child but have no power or authority as parents. If that wasn't the case it'd be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:13 PM
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But what good does this knowledge bring to a 165 cm tall man with no career other than depression and suicidal thoughts. It tells him that it's not all his fault; some women are just shallow, and they're judging him for things he can't control. There's a lot of toxic discourse around dating for men that says that if things aren't working it out, it's all your fault because it's entirely within your control. Accepting that some things are beyond you is both correct and psychologically healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:01 PM
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I wouldn't if there was male-only transport. The issue is that there are women who are put in danger of sexual assault, etc, but I think it's more important to punish people who commit sex crimes while maintaining the public sphere as a mixed-gender place where victimizing women (or anyone) sexually isn't acceptable. Otherwise I'm worried that it will become an increasing norm to treat men as sex criminals, functionally, until proven otherwise, and in a broader sense will inhibit the ability of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:59 PM
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Yes, I'd be a bit hesitant. But I wouldn't despise the person and think they were morally inferior. That's the difference. In my mind, being a virgin at the ages of women I date is probably a red flag, just like having a very high partner count is. But it's not a dealbreaker, it depends on what their values are and what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:21 PM
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Really? Because there's been studies with data linked on this sub showing that narcissists are seen as attractive by potential partners, especially if those partners are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:59 PM
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Then most women are low quality/trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:24 AM
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Nah, I don't think it's the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:23 AM
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Women don't always judge "virgin men." Women take issue with most men who are passive, asexual, porn-addicted, antisocial, etc. I was under the impression that antisocial behaviors (narcissism etc) were actually more attractive to most women. Regardless, while it's true that not all women judge virgin men, most women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:21 AM
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He also blocks male abuse victims and stops talking to them. He's hostile to men in general.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/23 08:29 PM
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I said nothing to that effect Bullshit, that's exactly what you were trying to say by bringing it up. That is what studies show. Which studies? Every time we go to the actual studies it seems that these articles are misrepresenting them to paint men in a bad light and women in a better one. Why is there so much lying on this topic? Are people afraid that men are going to understand how stacked the deck is against them and demand fair play?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:43 PM
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Right, but the reason he caught on was he asserted that men and boys have inherent value and it's worth cultivating. There are elements in our political and cultural sea, mostly on the left, unfortunately, but some one the right too, that hate this idea and want to stamp it out. I'm left-wing, I think by nature; I align more with left-wing politicians on issues. I think it's very telling that Trump was involved in demonizing the wrongly convicted members of one of the highest-profile rape cases …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/23 10:35 PM
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It's not just that they allow feminist theory. They ban any and all criticism of feminism. It's because they think their audience is mostly male and men don't have the right to criticize feminism, in their eyes, as they're a lower form of life than women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/23 10:21 PM
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I have never had posts deleted, been threatened with bans I have. I got banned for pointing out that negative generalizations of men were allowed on the sub, but negative generalizations of women weren't. The mods were infamously tolerant of racism against Asian men. They also brought on a guy who didn't think that female-on-male domestic abuse was worth thinking about because male victims don't matter. They are famously callous towards mens' issues and practice chivalry very hard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/23 10:21 PM
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The lowest divorce rate is among batchelor or higher educated people - the worst is poor working class so no you are wrong on that. No, I'm right. The studies you're talking about are within the same class. Also, within the college-educated class, women are nine times as likely to divorce as their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:17 PM
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Every time we actually go to the studies and statistics on this it looks like dads are getting screwed, but there are so many articles written telling dads to man up and be a good provider drone for the mother of their kids, and that all of hos problems are her fault and she's a blameless victim. Something's fishy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:13 PM
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Nope. I work in academia and I don't think a gal needs a fancy degree or a job in my field to be dateable. It's about whether our values are compatible and there's that spark of attraction. I would date that barista if she was attractive, I could have the deep conversations I care about with her, and so on. I've met plenty of women (and men) with degrees who are dumb as rocks. The diploma doesn't mean much to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:49 PM
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I don't agree. The issue is that people often date and then marry based off proximity... so people of the same education level and economic class are more likely to date and get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:46 PM
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Divorce is more likely for a man if his female partner is of the same or higher "class." A lot of times a woman's career is a net negative for her dateability. I feel this way about schoolteachers - they're always putting unpaid work in and expect you to help them support 30 kids that aren't even yours. Your needs and a healthy relationship get put on the back burner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:43 PM
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Nah, the women could be racist or otherwise bigoted, or just shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:51 PM
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Eh? Usually the fuckboi is the one who gets tired of women who get to clingy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:02 PM
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But, at the same time, there's a major orgasm gap between men and women which explains the phenomenon. It doesn't explain it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:09 AM
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Nah, women care about numbers. They want a man who's more experienced than them in bed, generally. They don't want to have to communicate around sex, for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:06 AM
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Guy A will be fine with women, but guy B will have problems. No, guy A will have problems too. It's not about confidence, it's about preselection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:03 AM
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Most women don't like fuckbois. But they're fucking them? That doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:02 AM
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Incels have a deep resentment, hatred, hostility, sexual objectification, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, a sense of entitlement to sex, blaming of women and the sexually successful for their situation. Not true for all of them. You want to believe this is true because that way you can hate them and not pity them. For the most part if someone is being called an incel, it is because they are displaying those traits. No, it's just an insult now. Like saying a guy is "just mad b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:06 AM
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The narrative you're presenting doesn't match with my observations of the behavior of (most) women. Frankly, it sounds more like people are pointing out a way that many women are shallow/prone to preconceived biases, and you're desperately trying to prove that women are as pure as the drive snow because you're ideologically opposed to the idea that women can be criticized.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:02 AM
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In my experience it is the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:00 AM
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Ok fine, OP is still right and you were wrong to disagree. Though I disagree that men have it as often.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:24 PM
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Healthy people recognize not everyone is in the same spot. You're assuming the majority of women have healthy attitudes about sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:22 PM
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There's a lot of women who say that, but they're lying, possibly to themselves. If you're accurate, you're very unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:22 PM
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I have no issue, even with a virgin, if they’re confident and have the right mindset. I think a lot of women say this but they're lying, possibly to themselves. You might be right but you're an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:21 PM
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It's not inexperience that is a turn off. It's lack of self-confidence, Bull, I don't think that's true at all. I mean, it's also true, but lack of experience is a turnoff for most women for a few reasons. You're trying to say that women aren't biased against inexperienced men, but a lot of them are, and it has nothing to do with confidence - many women want their male partner to take the lead/take responsibility for sex, and so they want a more experienced partner for that reason. Preselection …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:20 PM
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Stop looking to celebrities to have meaning for your own relationships. The way these relationships are portrayed in the media isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:55 PM
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No, it's prescriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:05 PM
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Beautiful woman The woman usually isn't that beautiful, actually. Men know nothing about emotional tension and how much that plays in a woman's attraction. We know about it, it's just actually toxic. Women who consume too much romance media like this have fried their brains, just like guys who watch too much porn and thinks sex works like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:05 PM
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His wealth is for things he, she and their kids needs. Her wealth is used for what shes awants 100% true Why do you think things should be this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:01 PM
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Which user? Which post? are you representing them faithfully?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:59 PM
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No. I am lied to sometimes but not "about everything" all the time. This is a very broad statement. True for a good amount of female partners, but not all. See above. Not all women are like this. No. There are plenty of good things about women that have nothing to do with how good they are at satisfying their male partner sexually. Of course I don't agree with that. Some women are very unreasonable people, some are very reasonable. This is a generalization. No, this is an incomplete picture. For…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:59 PM
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I dunno, /u/mrs_drgree , do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:43 PM
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Nah, if it's accurate then you need to react accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:50 PM
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Depends, I'm sure some of them do. But assuming the guy in question is already taken or otherwise not trying to influence that woman in particular to get with him, I think he's more likely to give good faith advice than another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:40 PM
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If they're working in good faith, sure. But many women try to give other women "advice" that will sabotage them as a way of practicing intra-gender competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:33 PM
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Not what that rule is actually about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:27 PM
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That's not what antisocial means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:26 PM
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This is a terrible thing to think. Inasmuch as it's accurate, why would that be?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:25 PM
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Like I’ve had people assume I’m a woman-hating incel because I say things in defence of certain men. They don't assume you're a woman-hating incel. They're not ignorant. They're just looking to tar you with that brush for daring to defend men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:25 PM
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Yup, and the mods don't do anything about it, unfortunately. There's no actual enforcement of civility or anti-trolling; people don't bother reading posts and just respond with insults because there's no cost to it. The number of posters who respond to any post with "But actually here's why men suck" in a complete non sequitur is nuts, I don't know why they aren't actioned on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:24 PM
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Eh, male characters are portrayed as either useless or villainous in these stories; the message is that they aren't as important human beings as girls/women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:44 PM
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Well, it's usually the preselection thing. Women find men who other women are attracted to attractive. If a woman is attracted she doesn't care about his n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 12:14 AM
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Porn is not real sex though. It's a performance. It's for the camera. Having actual sex is for you and your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:58 PM
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Right. Experience is not a barometer of skill, especially given the amount of women who just have starfish sex and think they're "good in bed."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:56 PM
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Glad you agree. Now go forth and be a better person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:54 PM
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The only reason it makes sense is religious No, you want to have a relationship with someone who has similar values. I find people with high sociosexuality, especially poly NRE addicts or whatever, to not share my values about relationships. It's a red flag, but it isn't a dealbreaker per se. But it's not worth it when there's other women out there who do share my values. Women with a high amount of previous partners can go find someone who matches well with them; we'll both be better off if we …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:43 PM
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There's a subtext in those movies, though, that men are worth less than women. It's not about women having stories about their own inner life, or whatever - it has to do with rejection of the need for a male unless he makes himself eminently useful. I think it's going to make things worse - they're implying that if a guy isn't "the one" he's just useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:13 PM
2

Are you some weird kind of fangirl?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:16 PM
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I disagree. A woman needs emotional intelligence to survive. Not any more than a man, really. Everyone lives in a society and has to navigate it. And no, I've met plenty of non self-aware women who think they're self aware because they're women and "intuitive." It's a meme that makes people ignore when women have low emotional intelligence and social competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:10 PM
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If you go into every interaction with the mindset of sex or relationships you aren’t seeing someone for who they are. First of all, "every" is not what that poster said, second of all, there's nothing dehumanizing about seeing someone as a romantic prospect. The idea that if a guy wants to take a gal out on a date he sees her as subhuman is not the truth; why does it keep popping up?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:06 PM
1

Ah sure. Applies to my friends too, but my roommates were the situation I had the front-row seat for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:30 AM
1

They were roommates, not friends. Stuck with them in a COVID living situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:28 AM
3

There are many ways someone can be a drag on your life, it’s not specifically a gendered thing of course, but women tend to put in more work in long-term relationships. I don't believe this. Remember "I am the table?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:45 AM
4

Consistently enough that they don’t masturbate? 2-3 times a week, while insisting their roommates not contact anyone outside the household without a mask, and flying off the handle when called out on their hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:44 AM
3

Much fewer than the amount of single men who are not having sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:44 AM
1

Most guys don’t help out without their partner asking first. That's typically because women in committed relationships insist on being the final authority on household matters, with the male partner as subordinate to her. So the men back off, thinking, fairly, that if they want all the power they can take all the responsibility. Many women, however, want their male partners to take responsibility while they retain all the power and the last word. If the woman’s standards of clean are higher how …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:44 AM
2

Many women, particularly in the 18-25 age range, would rather put-up with the drama and issues of dating a hot fuckboy, over, say, an average-looking skinny-fat shlumpy dude who gives her no grief and the relationship is smooth like clockwork. My younger roommate (A D1 athlete, tall, muscular, but chill and not a fuckboy because he comes from a conservative upbringing. Not politically conservative, just not hedonistic etc) just ended a relationship with his gf because she was complaining that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:21 PM
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i’ve not met a single woman who truly believed she was hot shit. I definitely have lmao. Couldn't say from personal experience which is more common, men like this or women like this. I wonder if people are more likely to act like they're "hot shit" with people of the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:18 PM
1

They're out there they're just less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:16 PM
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In my experience, it's more common to just get the occasional hookup. All of my "single" female friends were getting hookups, even during COVID when they were being "so careful."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:13 PM
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It's "lose," first of all. A lot of the same things that women lose, basically - a lot of time and effort while not getting anything back.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:05 PM
3

That’s why we’re ok being single. It's also because a lot of women who are "single" are still having regular sex, much more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:04 PM
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I don’t think most men realize that having a partner who doesn’t bring value beyond regular sex and shared rent is a net negative for women. How, exactly, given in your scenario you haven't described how he's a drag on her? Women overall are the ones expected to prioritize their partners’ and families’ interests over their own. Speaking as a guy, this is very much not true. Men are expected to do so too, and oftentimes more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:03 PM
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The early dating financials versus partner traits are two separate things in my book. In my book they aren't. Even in relationships, too many relationships get the shitty "My money is ours, her money is hers" dynamic going on. For the reasons that I said earlier, earnings are going to be a tougher ground for men because at a minimum, a woman is looking for her peer. It's especially tougher because, at least in the USA, post-2008 education tends to discriminate against men and boys, and most job …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:01 PM
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If he’s holistically average like average income as well then aspects of her life will get worse with no pay off. She’ll be spending more money on groceries because now there’s two people to feed and he most likely eats more than her, statistically speaking her housework load will increase, her mental load will probably increase etc. all in all it’ll be a lot more work maintaining a relationship than being single. Nah, that's generally on her. Most guys help out around the house, or with the stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:00 PM
2

Considering you refused to elaborate on your point, it's entirely warranted. And now the insults. Apologize. Now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:22 PM
5

You can repeat yourself again, you're still wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:06 PM
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Whoever wants a thing the most will do the most work for it, that’s the way it works. Even in the western world half or more women are either conservative, religious, or suffering the lifelong effects of being raised by religious conservatives and they simply don’t have the toolbox to initiate or suffer the very real fear of social repercussions of forward behavior. In my experience conservative women are the most forward (whether or not they're promiscuous). It's neurotic women who are the leas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:02 PM
1

No, that can matter very little for an individual pair of prospective partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:57 PM
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It is the same, except for the ego of the woman involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:56 PM
2

I've seen them be held by the same person. I mean, hell, the person who runs the stoprape subreddit here on reddit thinks that men don't experience real trauma so male victims of rape are not a priority. Some people are fucking rotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:05 PM
2

Multiple women have told me differently. If you think that male sexuality is inherently disgusting and unworthy, you might think that, but it makes you a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 04:09 PM
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Nah, some women are predatory like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:28 AM
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I don't think it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:22 AM
1

Not what those statistics say.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:09 AM
1

Have you listened to Martin Luther King Jr's speeches?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:08 AM
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Why is wanting to have sex with someone inherently insulting?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 11:56 PM
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