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I do t think cheating presents the same concern for a woman that it does for a man , it's why "emotional cheating" is a thing for women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 04:31 PM
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men and women do behave differently. You can't seriously believe they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 03:00 AM
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Actually I think that would be covered under the traditional reasons, but I can't recall the specific legal reasoning. Again as I said above, the traditional reasons were a bit too strict and I'll admit they created problems in the courts, but "anything goes" seems to make it meaningless. I don't know how to resolve that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 02:46 AM
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How would you get the divorce? I have trouble believing the court would just grant it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 02:05 AM
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This is interesting -- you have these different competing periods of evolutionary history: on one hand you have the time long ago (article says millions of years ago and maybe before monkeys and apes even split) where it was kill or be killed, and aggressive males who fought now and asked questions later would generally be the ones to survive and reproduce. On the other hand, you got the time more like the current day where males had to check these instincts and check their aggression in order t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 12:48 AM
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That's what I don't get about the people who say "what will you have in common with that age gap?" It's not like we sit around reminiscing about the past all day, when we look at media we generally are discovering what's new and current. IMO compatible personality is way more important than common media that you grew up with maybe I should ask the people who have dated outside their age group and had big problems with it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 12:31 AM
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See I'm not talking about just leaving a relationship, I'm talking about ending a marriage. Those used to be different things, it seems like they are becoming one and the same
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 11:58 PM
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Sometimes I use sweeping language that is not intended literally , but you're right , it is good to avoid that in internet debates to some extent
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:45 PM
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No, the traditional reasons in for divorce were sufficient, maybe there could be a little more leeway somehow. Or maybe restricting rights such that a party filing for divorce without cause cannot receive alimony. I don't have all the answers, that's why I'm discussing it. Do you support people being able to leave for any reason , and get paid out in alimony for that? It seems unfair, and it creates a terrible incentive to divorce successful people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:43 PM
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I don't like the option existing at all, it makes the promise meaningless
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:19 PM
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The incentive structure = all people The personal cases where I've seen it happen = two specific women I don't know the exact numbers, how would I
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:18 PM
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Some people treat it very casually, I don't support that being an option
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:16 PM
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If you commit to marriage , you should structure your life to support that, from there on out. You would agree that there are certain ways to live that will increase the chances of the marriage succeeding or failing, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:16 PM
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I don't know what is going to be sufficient proof for you , I personally know two women who have divorced spouses very trivially, like they're breaking up an LTR. I'm not saying there was literally no effort or thought, that is impossible for example they had to go to court and pay the divorce fees etc. It isn't like they just snapped their fingers and divorce. There's a lot of ground between literally no effort and exhausted the reasonable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 10:06 PM
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promise something live in such a way that your promise becomes inexpedient break promise Its a tough sell that these people are very committed to their promise
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 09:58 PM
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It's not my opinion, that is what the legal structure was. If you were married you could not leave except for specific reasons, if you didn't like it your options were either to work on it or accept it. Now we have introduced another option, "leave for any reason whatsoever," and people are doing exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 09:52 PM
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It's clear that they didn't mean it, or they wouldn't be taking back their promise
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 09:44 PM
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That is what it has become now, a neutered shadow of tradition
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 09:40 PM
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The problem is that people do not even try to fix their problems, they just end the marriage. If ending it so easily were not an option, they would at least have to try and work it out. As it is now, they can run for the greener grass at the first sign of trouble
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 09:38 PM
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It makes the concept of a lifetime commitment meaningless if you can just back out on a whim
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 05:05 PM
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So you think the "fuckzone" or being a plate / fuckbuddy is the better comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 04:20 PM
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That's a good point, women spend so much effort on trying to look hot, trying to boost their SMV; it doesn't make sense if they suddenly say "oh yeah i don't get any validation from being seen as hot."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 04:13 PM
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Is this part of it hard as you get older? I'm in my early 30s and am very much a part of the millennial generation, so I don't really feel a gap when I date women 10 years younger than me. I'd imagine that changes a bit with age
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:55 PM
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Right I mean I guess if I was an orbiter to like Beyoncé or whoever, I might have some status from that , these are extreme cases though , I don't think being an orbiter to the hottest girl at my local bar really gets me anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:39 PM
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Speaking generally I think women often have to balance their desire for a man who will be good to them with their attraction to men who are aggressive and powerful. Whereas men tend to see niceness as an attractive quality in itself and don't really respond to power as much
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:36 PM
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It's just a set of general guidelines for how women behave differently from men , it isn't supposed to be super specific
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:32 PM
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What is the flaw in my argument? I don't think I'm backpedaling, I think you're misunderstanding an RP concept
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 04:27 AM
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Yeah this is the difference between trying to apply it and trying to critique it. With one you have to find the nuance, with the other you more or less ignore it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 04:25 AM
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I'm not backpedaling, where do I contradict myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 04:14 AM
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All women are like that, but some are more like that than others
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:43 AM
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You are reading the word "all" absolutely where it is not used that way
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:41 AM
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I just don't think she's a particularly AWALTy woman, look at her
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:33 AM
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That's my judgment based on her appearance, i seriously doubt she is super AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:23 AM
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you are reading things into my writing that are not there, I am not claiming that masculinity makes them "biologically men", that does not even make sense as manhood or masculinity is a concept different from biological maleness I am saying this: womanness is basically being able to have kids, and manliness is masculinity as exhibited by behavioral traits , and accordingly it is much easier to mimic manliness since the behaviors can be adopted whereas the ability to bear children cannot
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 03:20 AM
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Women who act masculine are acting like men, yes, and males who don't act masculine are acting like little boys
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 02:29 AM
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Woah that's a super loaded questiin Let me try and restate: The defining feature of a woman is that she is able to bear children. That is what a woman is: a sexually mature female, a potential mother. That is her socially defined role. The defining features of men aren't just being grown boys; they are defined by what they do, their socially defined role is defined by things like: taking action, leading, working, providing (yah i know), taking risk, etc In part, this is why a woman can emulate m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 02:15 AM
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AWALT is not meant to be taken literally It's more like this: all women are like that, but some are more like that and some are less like that. All women have a female nature, but to varying degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 02:08 AM
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is that a thing? Outside of media Look I don't have general rules for every specific situation ever
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 01:43 AM
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Being an orbiter is low status, it's like being proud of being pumped and dumped , nobody would be proud of that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 01:40 AM
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Those show RP--she isn't attracted to good men, she's attracted to strong hard men who don't give a fuck. Those are more what I think of as AWALT women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 01:37 AM
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Yeah , exactly. I think a lot of RP readers even take it to mean literally ALL women are EXACTLY like that, that's how I read it when I first saw it. Whereas really it's much more nuanced than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 01:35 AM
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that woman is not what people are thinking of when they describe AWALT women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 01:17 AM
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Great argument , I'm convinced
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 01:15 AM
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Right I don't think it's 100% that way but it's definitely a factor
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 09:29 PM
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I don't know if I'd consider it "good sex," but I would still want to do it often, if that makes sense. Sex short of orgasm still feels super great If I had the option to effortlessly do this orgasmless sex with strangers all the time, id be all over it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 08:21 PM
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Yeah I really have no idea how people treat ftm , frankly it seems more understandable to me because I love being a man, the idea of becoming a woman is not appealing at all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 08:17 PM
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I don't understand, if the hug/kiss/grope that gives her an orgasm became the only sex act we ever did, then of course I wouldn't want to do it. But if on a random Tuesday afternoon she said , "hey grope me, it'll be fun but you won't get an orgasm" I'd still enjoy doing it, in fact I do this all the time with no expectation of orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 08:09 PM
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Not really, but still a closer approximation than the mtf
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 08:05 PM
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If she got orgasms from us making out , I'd be happy for her. It doesn't diminish what I got out of it. It would only be an issue if she now only wanted to make out bc she's taken care of. But I don't think anyone is really that selfish , or if they are I wouldn't spend time with them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 07:48 PM
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I think what is looked down upon is being "too concerned" with making her have an orgasm, it gets back to the whole "it's cooler if you don't try" effect
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 05:59 PM
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I agree, it is very important for making an LTR last
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 05:57 PM
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I've never understood the whole "sex sucks for women because no orgasm" argument. Like I enjoy plenty of things short of orgasm, I enjoy a hug or a kiss or a grope, none of those will ever make me orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 05:43 PM
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Women are born. Woman-ness is basically a biological state. A woman doesn't have to do anything to be a woman , she is, that is her nature. Men are made. Being a man is an accomplishment, it is not simply being male, rather it is more the fact that you exhibit masculine behaviors. When someone who is not female wants to be a woman, it is a weird contradiction of what "being a woman" is. When someone who is not male wants to be a man, it isn't the same sort of contradiction, because "being a man"…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 05:11 PM
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Red flag , why don't they have friends? How does someone not make friends? Will this affect me in some way? In particular I cannot stand when a romantic partner wants to latch on to my friend circle like a month into us dating, get your own fcking friends Ultimately if we're just banging, whatever nbd, but for a relationship I'd pass
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 02:06 AM
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Yeah I'm not sold on it being super attractive to all women, but I do agree with TRP that women generally view high N more positively than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:47 AM
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Psh there is nothing wrong with wanting someone with similar background as yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:55 PM
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This is a small disagreement but I don't think the thing about cheating at the end is true. Disgust from her previous partners is different from disgust from cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:53 PM
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nobody is cheering for rape
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:40 PM
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fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:58 PM
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Ok that might be a good start but at some point you'll need to apply it in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:33 PM
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Because feminists say that, and some people taken them at their word
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:29 PM
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LOL that is exactly what feminists want
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:28 PM
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Bro, do you even lift? This sounds so ignorant I could lift religiously for years and I'm not going to have significantly more muscle than a pro footballer. Hell, most of them have probably lifted religiously for years, plus perfect diet, training, PEDs, etc etc Basically what you're saying is "be like this guy who lifts" except you don't think he lifts
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:11 PM
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Yeah, I see the point of imputed income as well, it is just so so ripe for abuse there really should be some kind of restriction on it. Not everyone can earn te median salary for their job and education, it seems silly to assume that everyone can do that. And it blows my mind that in so many other instances where someone is entrusted with money for another, they must account for that money; here, we just say "screw it, I'm sure you spend it properly."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:36 PM
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It's hilarious how women have so much trouble being frank. I commented to my girl the other day that I bulked too long and I'm overfat. It was like it was impossible for her to agree with that, she had excuses left and right for me, if I didn't know better I would have taken it at face value and kept bulking. As it is I know I've got a few pounds to lose, regardless of the excuses she'll make for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:28 PM
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I'm torn on this; I took a look at CA's child support law and it seems fair except for imputed income. Ultimately I'm basing this off a few cases I've seen personally where the courts use imputed income to assess more child support than the guy can actually earn, and they're stuck paying for mom by way of "child support" payments that go way beyond what the kids need. In one of the cases I'm thinking of, the child support was more than I earn in a month, because of the guys imputed income, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:07 PM
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I agree that may be a better practice environments if you're just starting, but it seems like the number of conversions would be super low, like maybe one per month in a lucky month
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:01 PM
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How are you going to learn if your reads are right or wrong from just observing people? How are you going to use this in your own life? You need to go out and apply it where there is actually something on the line. You'll know when your read was wrong because people will respond negatively to that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:00 PM
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This is a pretty good writeup, but I still think cold approach pickup is a good way to learn to read these type of emotions in a relatively short time frame. I don't know how else you're going to get enough real world experience to get good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:24 PM
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There are two beds referred to as a "king." California: longer eastern: wider I specifically wanted an eastern king bc extra footspace doesn't really help me, i had to seek it out, nobody carries it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:37 PM
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Right , that's my bad. Typo--the point stands, post-breakup, she is not left with nothing. Child support generally will maintain her sufficiently. Of course she still has to go out and get a job, or some education, or something, she doesn't just get to be a permanent mom on dad's dime
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:30 PM
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A lot of people have moral objections to the red pill reading, it is still a rejection of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:21 PM
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I've seen these enough to know that "mom is left with nothing but expensive kids after the divorce" isn't typical either
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:17 PM
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Right , and there is a common theme to the reading list. To identify as red pill is to acknowledge that the "red pill reading" is generally correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:12 PM
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You're redefining "red pill," it is more than acknowledging the existence of an SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:02 PM
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Right--most people with hsv-1 have zero or one outbreak in their lifetime. And then, it was usually as a kid when they don't remember it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:59 PM
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Child support is for the child in theory, but that isn't how it is actually awarded. The awards are large enough that the child can maintain his lifestyle, which generally means that caretaker mom gets to maintain her lifestyle as well. There is almost never an accounting required , so she can spend it however she wants. The typical example is mom and three kids stay in their nice apartment, while dad has to move to some ghetto shithole to pay for it. I've seen it in the courts too; dad can bare…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:56 PM
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I just posted almost the same, I agree with your general range
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:44 PM
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Low: <10 Mid: 10-30 Probably too high: 50+ I'm ignoring the actual stats, they count all kinda of Low n people like kids who got married in high school or just after.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:42 PM
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I'm just spitballing here, but what prevents you from just lying and making up some story about the kids mother, or even just refusing to discuss it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:37 PM
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You act like child support is not a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:35 PM
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I think the point is that the process looks something like this: Don't understand sexual dynamics at all --> become aware and over analyze --> calibrate, overanalyze a bit less --> put it in the back of your mind and not worry about it too much If you look at TRP you see lots of people in the middle stages, a lot of them will move past that , this is how people learn social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 03:55 PM
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Sounds familiar. I was busting ass in school thinking that is what made me an attractive partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 03:42 PM
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It seems like bad advice regardless. Hot people can date anyone they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 03:39 PM
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I've never met anyone that admits they have HSV-1. I think most people are in the "I probably have it, but I never confirmed it" category
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 03:21 PM
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And she comes across as absolutely crazy to men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:13 AM
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Why do you flair as red tbp?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:12 AM
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Sure, I mean growing sufficient muscle to support a bouncing 5-lb or 10-lb weight is a very different thing. But it helps! It might not make it perfect but it'll definitely help.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:03 AM
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Thanks for the heads up. It is never pleasant to think about this stuff when we're running wild out there. But I really do think I'm taking enough caution
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 02:57 AM
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See also: "real men"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 12:59 AM
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Yeah! It's much more fun than cardio, an hour on the treadmill feels like a lifetime, I'm not evangelical about many things but lifting really does it for me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 11:58 PM
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That's a good point but I do think the risk is pretty remote , and thus I'm not too terribly concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 11:55 PM
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My friends and I mock each other all the time. What is friendship without givin each other shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 07:57 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure marriage and kids are gonna change things in ways I haven't dreamed of Thanks for the heads up :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 07:55 PM
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Good god, that sounds awful. We had some drama early on where one of my friends started white knighting her, she shut that down. We're both pretty anti drama, we both have a good handle on avoiding those kinds of situations, I think having a strong sense of personal boundaries helps a lot in that area. It sounds like this couple in your social circle had some serious boundary issues!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 07:32 PM
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Because OP is set up like "if he cheats, can she then branch swing?" It doesn't seem like they're connected like that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 07:00 PM
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Of course, the vast majority of my friends and people I date are blue pill type people. I did date a girl once who was suspiciously RPW in her ways, but it didn't work out. I never specifically asked tho
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:25 PM
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I think that's it, but the point here is that she can do that whether he cheats or not
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:22 PM
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Yup. ultimately we'd push for an abortion, i don't think that's a big deal, also we keep "plan b" around just in case
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:49 PM
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that or stds
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:36 PM
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I know, I was being smartass
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:33 PM
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I am pretty good about not busting a nut inside random girls, it seems like a lot of guys have terrible self control wrt that It's a real risk though, and it depends on the girl, I don't have any rights in this area
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:27 PM
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With a committed partner? 1-2x a day regularly, sometimes 3-5x a day. With new partners? If there were no work or drama involved like in your scenario maybe like one new partner a day. With practical constraints, more like one new partner per month. Generally when I meet a new partner we have sex 2-3 times per meeting if we are new to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:17 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:47 PM
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Right - there is no penalty to her branch swinging My personal views on the morality of it mean nothing in terms of what she can and cannot do, it's just my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:37 PM
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Within her rights? Her rights are prescribed by law. There is no law against branch swinging. If you're asking for a personal moral judgment, I think it's dishonest to make a deal (i.e., you can chase, but I won't) and then secretly decide you're not going to stick with it. I don't think bio imperatives are a good basis for judging people's behavior, they're better for explaining why people behave in a certain way without assigning values to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:29 PM
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Lifting helps! My girlfriend used to complain of back problems, a few months of barbell/dumbbell work and that is a thing of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:20 PM
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I'm with you on this one, she isn't perfect but she isn't disgusting either. She is a little fatter than I'd typically be after but not obese or anything
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:13 PM
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That could also be the case for either of us, it is hard to tell in this type of situation
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 03:14 PM
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Yeah we do threesomes -- but after we had a few, we don't chase them as much as we used to, they sorta fall into our laps every now and then. I'm not super handsome or anything, but I am fit. When I met her I was going out and trying to pick up girls all the time, she found out and thought that was really fun, and we took it from there. I agree this sort of thing is hard to find. What blows my mind is that she's otherwise super down to earth, stereotypes would have told me that a girl like this …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 03:13 PM
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Yup, that all sounds very familiar
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:16 AM
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We don't hide it from friends, but we will dodge questions if they get too serious. We generally don't bang our friends, but some of them have been out with us while we are out on the town chasing ass. For us that means going out to bars and getting flirty, dancing, being sexual. Nothing explicit happens at the bar, I host afterparties often. Other than that, I meet people from tinder. She isn't into other guys, she has met a couple other girls, mostly fun girls that neither of us want to spend …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:02 AM
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We don't really talk about it in detail--I speak about it very frankly here. To our social circle we are mostly monogamous. Close friends may have a vague idea of it, but we both think discussing too many details is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:25 AM
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"Redneck" checking in
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:32 PM
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Yup that's true, although I guess it's still somewhat secretive because she prefers only to hear about it on her terms--I'm better off to keep it discrete unless she brings it up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:27 PM
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I read OP as being able to fit into both categories -- pre-commitment women generally aren't informed about my other dating activity, and in my experience they don't respond well if they somehow find out
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:26 PM
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Blue pill men are generally on both sides -- very attractive men who are naturals and unattractive men who are clueless
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:22 PM
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Or, as with plates, its pre-commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:55 PM
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My girlfriend is ok with me banging other girls, so long as it doesn't get serious. Basically I just need to not fall in love with them, which isn't a problem. I have gotten some feels before but if that happens I can just shut the feelings down, it isn't difficult. Before this relationship I've always cheated. I've cheated on everyone I've ever been with. I don't like doing that, but I know me, I like being with new women. I like how the chase keeps me sharp and social. Ultimately I think our "…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:51 PM
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Drugs are bad, mmkay :P
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 09:10 PM
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Those examples are just there as illustrations, but in my experience it seems like many, many people have been involved in at least one relationship like that. It isn't the most common thing, but it is familiar
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 09:05 PM
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It depends on the relationship. Imagine some virginal guy dating a former escort partygirl type. Or some lifelong player dating some innocent schoolgirl. There's a huge power imbalance there, comparable to that in a professional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 08:41 PM
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The power element is there in dating too, some people just ignore it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 08:33 PM
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Yeah I agree but if you cant get past te anxiety any other way, maybe it's worth considering taking it and not drinking? At least discuss with a doctor and figure out what works
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 08:29 PM
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Teaching, really most bureaucratic jobs. Most labor jobs. I know that's anethema to the city folk who make up PPD , but millions of women do that type work Anything entrepreneurial
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 06:11 PM
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Yeah I mean I can think of several middle class jobs where a woman can drop out for a few years and get back to it, it's not a big deal like the poster above seems to think
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 06:05 PM
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Right, she works with her hands and creates stuff, not the typical corporate ladder, so in her case it's mostly that she'll need to be driven to actually do the work rather than convincing some HR person to hire her back Still, that's a classic middle class job, we aren't "the global elite" ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 05:58 PM
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Maybe you just see it once you tune in to it. I run around with feminists, some of them are the most AWALTy women I can think of
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 05:54 PM
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Likely not, but we'd like to have a few, she might have young children in the home for 5-10 years. That's not exactly a short time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 05:31 PM
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I think the way you call it "an unhealthy obsession with looks" mischaracterizes it. If my first 20 years or so had been all about training me to put looks first, I'd be a different person. There's no way around that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:56 PM
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Oh please I'm middle class and my woman will be a SAHM, partly because childcare costs about as much as she could even earn
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:44 PM
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Yeah, I'd rather suffer in youth and have my status rise than get a privileged youth and have everything go downhill from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:42 PM
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It's easier to be a woman. It's better to be a man. I'm happy to be a man bc my life is what I make it, and I've done a damn good job of making it up til now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:24 PM
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It's pretty important, but I tend to chase hippie/raver girls, girls that go camping, etc. I don't mind getting back to nature for a week or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:17 PM
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Maybe get prescribed a benzodiazepine if your anxiety is that severe. Learn meditation. Exercise is a huge help in this area. Or don't, ultimately everyone has to decide for themselves whether it's worth it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:14 PM
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Meninism is a satirical "movement" , it isn't real
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 02:27 AM
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Man, people get trolled so easily these days
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 02:07 AM
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If you don't do anything illegal , you should be fine When I was learning "game", one of my biggest problems was my own belief that I was going to make some kind of faux pas that really hurt me socially. I had to take it on faith that people at bars and clubs don't really give a fuck about anyone, and they'd probably not remember me in a week or a month, and definitely not in a year, but for me (again taken on faith) I'd be much better with women in a year, so it really was a no brainer. Are ome…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 01:54 AM
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Yeah , that's a good one -- how you express your creative side. My SO and I have a similar thing going-- we each have our own specialty that the other appreciates but isn't much at themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 11:36 PM
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I'm happy when I'm thriving, to that end we both support each other on fitness, exercise goals. We are both active, we both go out a lot to socialize, we both like traveling a lot. Those things sound like fun but it does take some effort to keep it going with some intensity. I think if one of us starts slipping in those areas we feel pretty free to call the other one out on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 11:24 PM
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I think those go hand in hand. Attraction was new to me and that was my reaction to it. Now, I've dated around a bit and become desensitized to those feelings, so I don't act that way any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 10:18 PM
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I was more attracted to my first couple girlfriends. I worshipped them, I was head over heels for them. And women generally don't appreciate that, so I had to learn how to stop doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 10:09 PM
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Wow everyone really thinks $100k is a lot in this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 09:19 PM
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I don't enter my income, I think that is a little crass If she cant figure it out based on my photos and writing style, she's not smart enough/socially attuned enough for LTR anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 09:14 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 09:10 PM
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It's because you have a flowery, poetic writing style that waffles back and forth leaves a ton of ambiguity about what you're saying
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 08:16 PM
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It is a huge red flag that someone doesn't have much dating experience--they don't know what they are looking for, so instead they fixate on extremely specific superficial features
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:16 PM
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Women get as much as they like; their objection is generally to quality. Whereas most guys would happily bang more ugly chicks and/or fatties if they had the chance
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:08 PM
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I would be absolutely shocked if 80% of men were getting laid as much as they liked
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 04:40 PM
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What is your basis for believing this style attracts a certain type of woman? You should link it up logically rather than just assert, "it is so." Anyway, my cmv is as follows: no, they don't, "game" works on a wide range of women, from party girls to sweet wholesome girls. It really depends more which girls a guy chases rather than style of game.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 02:53 AM
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Right I feel the same way in my personal life, but apparently the trends are there for society at large
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 09:21 AM
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If she joined with others in the same socioeconomic class, they'd all prosper together, as of right now they get robbed while they fight each other
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 09:00 AM
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Nope. That's not my business.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:33 AM
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The two sides of the left you describe are at odds with each other, ultimately identity politics are a distraction from class struggle. It's classic divide and conquer. See Stayin alive by Jefferson Cowie, the 70s really were the end of such class politics, the identity bullshit won out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 02:08 AM
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The option is there, if a woman chooses not to use it for whatever reason, that's her choice. This isn't personal for me, I use condoms, I agree that is the best option for a man
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 12:30 AM
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The last line of defense is abortion. I'm calling it "the last line of defense" because it is the last option to prevent motherhood after the other preventative options have failed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 11:55 PM
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Because it's inside a woman's body, and women have bodily autonomy The manosphere discusses alternatives like financial abortion which would make a big difference , but that will never happen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 11:47 PM
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I agree, but it's just how people think. Since she had the ultimate choice people are going to assign more responsibility to her, right or wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 11:45 PM
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Right I agree , but a woman controls the "last line of defense" so to speak
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 10:45 PM
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It's because her choice is final. There are lots of opportunities to prevent motherhood, but the ultimate choice is whether the mother decides to carry the baby to term
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 08:37 PM
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