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CMVFlyingResearcher/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 03:07 PM
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https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/ https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/yes-dear-henpecked-husbands-and-one-sided-relationship-dynamics/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 05:51 PM
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Women spend more money and make most of the spending decisions for married couples. This is true for everything from groceries to home remodeling projects (which men usually complete -- women are simply the ones who nag and dictate what they want to happen). Something like 80% of every dollar spent in the United States is spent by women, and a large chunk of the last 20% is spent by men for women (ie for things that women want). As a result, most companies and advertisers cater to women. Men sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 05:26 PM
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A friend of mine is MGTOW. Another friend is a blue pilled feminist. They both post on Reddit. Watching them talk to each other is kind of funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 05:09 PM
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Idk I'm sure it's some combination of 50% of joint marital wealth + 100% of non marital wealth, which comes out to 60%. In fairness women are in charge of most marriages and most marital decisions. Like when a husband and a wife disagree about something, the wife gets her way some 80+% of the time, so that 60% figure might actually be an underrepresentation, just in theory of who has most of the power in most marriages ("ball and chain" is actually a real, scientifically valid concept). It's als…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 04:42 PM
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Corporations cater to women more than they do to men, and they are also, in theory, owned primarily by women. 60% of all financial assets -- cash, stocks, bonds, real estate, etc, are owned by women. So assuming that female investors don't have an aversions to equity markets, most companies are technically owned by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 03:15 PM
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Like my medical friends loved "Scrubs", it is what it is. No not even close, and that's basically what my point is. Still pushed that 'evil jock, good nerd' bullshit. No it points out how a lot of nerds are hypocritical, overconfident assholes. Only one of the guys on the show is ever shown in a positive light, especially in relation to women, but even he gets made fun of for generally being "gross" / ugly looking and having asthma. I mean they also make fun of the jocks, but that's beside the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 03:06 PM
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But that movie pushed the "Geeks are great, jocks evil" Narrative See I disagree with you. I think the movie made fun of nerds, but in a way that wasn't derectly offencive to them. I mean at the end of the movie an actual "fat nerd" hooks up with a video game character, with the joke being that he couldn't hook up with a real woman. So I don't really think it's as pro-nerd as what you think it is. The same can said for the big bang theory, and I'll even point out, as evidence, that there are act…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 02:15 PM
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What if the voters are women, the lobbyists are women, the largest special interest groups are for women, but the senators and delegates are like 70% men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 02:03 PM
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How do you feel about Pixels orThe Big Bang Theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:41 PM
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Unless he's talking about that movie with the giant pacman. But it's not like the nerds were being celebrated in the movie. As a whole it made fun of them more than it did anything else. That one guy even ends up marying a video game character at the end (because he couldn't get a human girlfriend). Kind of like how the big bang theory makes fun of nerds, even though nerds also seem to like the show. Or how conservatives liked Stephen Colbert despite his show obviously making fun of them and cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:32 PM
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I know older women into boy bands and things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:24 PM
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It was associated with status, not beauty. That's one of those "myths" of history that we were all told when we were younger, but that's not completely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:21 PM
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high fatty foods foods with added sugars Fixed that for you. It's all about the glycemic index, and it's mostly related to added sugars in soda, snack foods, processes foods, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:05 PM
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Same here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:03 PM
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Mom is going to be trying not to piss herself during a cough or a sneeze for a lot longer than that You've mentioned this a couple of times but most women I know where this happens mostly see it as a mild inconvenience, and something to laugh about when it happens. Like I know you think some of the men here are glossing over the physical effects of pregnancy, and it's possible that some of them are (or that they're just ignorant), but let's try not to exaggerate this, or pretend that the things …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 08:23 PM
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You have seen one childbirth and didn't think it was that bad I've seen two, and I don't think it "wasn't that bad". It was just considerably less bad than what I had been told my entire life that it would be (which is itself a form of sexism -- women harp on and exaggerate child birth as a way to shame male opinions and deny men any kind of rights here). It was relatively painless, did not last that long, and overall wasn't too terrible. And this is according to the mother. During the first one…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 07:13 PM
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What we were discussing yesterday, and what we're discussing today, are two completely separate things. Yes I alluded to a point that is related to something that I said yesterday, but again, that is only one small part of what my argument is, and really my argument is in no way dependent on it anyway. You can throw out the one or two sentences at the end of my post that are on that topic, and it changes nothing (think of it like being the cherry on top of a milkshake -- you can argue about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:27 PM
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And? I'm very well aware of how welfare works. I often make these very same arguments against people who don't support it. That doesn't make my point any less true though. I'm not arguing that we should get rid of welfare, and trying to turn it into that argument won't win you any points here. Politically, that's pretty much opposite of where I stand. But that doesn't mean that I can't admit that there are people who take advantage of it (which is itself only a small part of the argument that I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:09 PM
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Pregnancy is about the only valid point that OP made, but I honestly think 18+ years of forced slavery is worse then 9 months of pregnancy, especially since the woman has a choice, and the man doesn't (due to blatant sexism against men). I've actually been in the delivery room before, including after a botched epidural, and the 2 or so hours that it took wasn't actually that bad (for some women it's worse, of course, but that's not the norm). Many women choose to go through with it, on purpose, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 05:57 PM
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There's no reason to believe people in a LTR have more sex than people with several strings of STRs. There is plenty of research showing that this is the case, especially if you look at married partners in place of LTRs. The stereotype is that bachelors have sex all the time, and that married couples don't, but the reality is completely opposite from this. Edit -- figured I'd do a quick Google search. https://flowingdata.com/2017/07/03/married-people-sex/ Younger people have more sex, and younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 04:27 PM
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Everything you listed also effects men, including pregnancy, since men are expected to pay for the child. Men also face the risk of false rape accusations from women. In a lot of ways women are protected, and it's actually men who shoulder most of the risks here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 04:10 PM
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I think rpm and rpw probably get along in the real world. They both want the same thing. Rpm behave the way they do because there aren't very many rpw out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 11:50 AM
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I don't think RPM are against marriage as a concept, they're just against the institution as it exists today. I'd like to say their primary reasons are unfair / sexist divorce and child custody laws, but I think a big one is a lack of "proper behavior" from women, ie having too much premarital sex. So red pillers basically say, if you can't beat them, join them. Red pill women, on the other hand, are usually part of the "no / little sex before marriage" population of women, which are the types o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 11:48 AM
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A lot of men remain traped in abusive and unhappy marriages due to active gaslighting from the wife, the threat of divorce rape, and the threat of losing access to your kids. There's actually a statistic out there that indicates how bad of a problem this is (I think it takes men something like 9 years to leave an unhappy marriage, vs like 2 years for women).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 11:41 AM
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I don't know what the percentages look like but there are never married single fathers out there. I actually know one myself. The mother was a party girl and didn't want a kid interfering with that lifestyle. So the father pays her ransom every month -- child support, for a child that she doesn't take care of -- and he keeps de facto custody of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 11:46 PM
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Women on average do not earn enough money to pay for the degrees that they get. Usually it's men -- fathers, husbands, misguided investors ready to get caught in the next big debt bubble -- who pick up the tab here. This proves either that women don't understand opportunity cost (and aren't able to make smart financial decisions), or that it really is just a proxy for class (ie, what kind of a man they want to marry).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 11:30 PM
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Men used to actually do better in school than women did. What happened is we reformed our school system to be more friendly to girls, which had the effect of creating a hostile environment for boys. In the process of trying to make things better for girls, we essentially went too far, and made things worse for boys. Of course the fact that, when it effected girls, we turned our education system upside down to fix it, but we won't do the same thing for boys, is pretty telling of how society treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 10:53 PM
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I literally just had to tell you like 5 times to stay on point No, you just don't like my point, and this is your way of deflecting it. You’ve turned a post about women being slut-shamed into your own personal platform to talk about your own feelings of male oppression. This is what your strawman is. Discrimination -- against minorites, against men -- and the type of shaming that they experience, is an example of something that it is really an issue. A woman complaining about slut shaming though…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 10:39 PM
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I think most of these guys are just 'losers' and geeks. That's fine. But again you seem to agree with them. Your entire rant about being bullied and all that pretty much didn't address this at all. So you hate them. You don't like them. Whatever. But you actually sound pretty red pilled, and not liking other red pillers doesn't make you not a red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 10:12 PM
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It also depends on how you define feminism. Gender feminism isn't very popular among average women, but it is popular in academia and Hollywood. Equity feminism isn't very popular among the "establishment" but it is fairly popular among women, and even among men (a man pretty much can't be a gender feminist due to the fact that it is blatantly discriminatory and bigoted against men).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 10:06 PM
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This is just a big straw man. I simply do not think that slut shaming is a widespread or systematic issue, like what you might see with discrimination against men or against minorites (or against minority men). And this is exactly what a lot of people try to pretend that it is (and why I'm arguing against it). It is not a competition. One is simply not on the same level as the other. It would be a bit like talking about poverty in the United States. Like sure it's kind of an issue in some places…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 09:50 PM
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The point of OP was that slut shaming doesn’t exist but it does. This is an impossible standard though. The point is more along the lines of it not being a big deal. Like I'm sure racism against white people exists. But I do not think that it is widespread or systematic. Discrimination against men, however, is. So is discrimination against minorities. Granted "slut shaming" doesn't even really count as "discrimination", but I do think it is possible that slut shaming is simply not an issue anymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 08:20 PM
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It's been a while since I've taken any of the tests but even the negatives here are going to be somewhat flattering, and are probably things you can identify with or find quirky (like use as an excuse for obvious character flaws). I'm sure the research is legitimate but the online tests definitely romanticize it a bit. And even if that wasn't true, I still think it's kind of vain to look yourself up and take a test like this. It's no better then those harry potter tests ("what house do you fall …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 08:00 PM
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1 / 10 single parents are men. Most of them work full time jobs. Most sngle mothers do not. These are facts. And that's all I really know about it off hand. I didn't personally go ask a bunch of single fathers how it is that they wound up with their kids. I do have a friend who has de facto sole custody of his kid though and in his case the mother basically just didn't want the kid. She's a party girl and didn't want to be a mother, so he takes care of the kid. He also pays child support. Which …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 07:41 PM
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Reading some of your other posts, you sound pretty red piled to me. In what ways do you actually disagree with the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 07:29 PM
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She gets a stipend, he pays off her student loans (she owed like 40K), she keeps the money for rent in private account she gives to him, if they divorce, she gets that, and half equity on the house. That's it. "That's it"? That's a lot. She doesn't deserve all that. I have a prenup with my wife and she literally gets close to nothing (basically half of our joint accounts, and she could sue for equity in the house, but I took out a mortgage before we got married so she wouldn't get a whole lot fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 06:50 PM
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This seems like a leading question to me and is probably against the rules here. That said, I would venture to agree that a decent number of these guys are "losers". But I can also tell you that having a certain amount of money does turn you away from marriage. Divorce rape is real, and not all women want to sign prenups. So I can see why a lot of legitimately successful men would shy away from wanting to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 06:30 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/dctkqk/comment/f2bphre
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 06:14 PM
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I'll have to go find it. Someone posted it here a couple days ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:59 PM
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Most single fathers are gainfully employed. Most single mothers are not. That's because they'd rather be lazy, and having a kid is a good excuse to live that kind of lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:57 PM
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Nobody would ever do this to a woman. Maybe to a man, but not a woman. Women are protected like that in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:54 PM
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Wouldn't everyone else in the group just beat up the guy who moved you? Especially if you're a woman there's no way anybody would ever get away with that. In fact it likely wouldn't ever happen to begin with. That's what you might call "female privilege". Being automatically protected and defended by everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:42 PM
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"He doesn't want to marry me so I guess I'll go off the pill to change his mind".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:35 PM
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They're basically horoscopes though and play into people's nature by giving them compliments. I'm an ETPV and because I'm an ETPV I'm special in this way, I'm special in that way, I'm smart about this type of stuff, I'm extra compassionate, I would make a good CEO, etc etc. It's basically a way to say that you're awesome or special because some online test said that you were. Hence why I think it's vain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:25 PM
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There is an actual "where are all the good men [who want to marry me]" sub for women on Reddit, ironically enough. I wonder if they ban people who post in the satire sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:19 PM
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Women who don't want to work for a living, who are also poor as a result. Women use children as an excuse to not have to live and work in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:10 PM
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Having a baby is literally just an escape from having to live in the real world as a responsible, functioning adult. Did you know the vast majority of single fathers have full-time jobs and are equally good at raising children compared to single mothers (in fact by some metrics they do better)? Did you know only 16% or so of single mothers have full time jobs? Most of them live off welfare, child support, and other people's (men's) generosity. They'd rather sit at home and be lazy than support t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:07 PM
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At least people care about it when it happens to women. Misandry, and discrimination against men in general, is arguably a much worse problem than misogyny, but it is culturally accepted, and even encouraged (often by many of the same feminists and SJW people who speak out against things like slut shaming). Like at least a woman can wear a bikini and 99% of the time won't run into problems because of it. The second a man puts on a speedo though, women will walk around staring at him and calling …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:54 PM
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Or they just try to stay on her good side. I like hr where I work though. They are "overweight" and I'm sure a lot of them are closet misandrists / feminists but they're otherwise not bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:41 PM
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Normal swimware for men is only normal because men have already been shamed into wearing that kind of clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 02:43 PM
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A better distinction being used now is equity feminism and gender feminism. I guess it's all part of third wave or forth wave feminism, but equity / gender feminism specifically draws a line between pro-equality feminism and the other misandrist / female supremacy brands of feminism that are popular today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 02:33 PM
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There is some backlash over what's being called "gender feminism" and it's been happening since like the 90s. Originally it was other feminists ("equity feminists") who started it but now we have an entire men's rights movement on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 02:12 PM
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Men do get crap (and a lot of stares) for wearing speedos and banana hammocks and things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 02:04 PM
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It's always been women slut shaming other women. In fact that Twitter study showed that not only are most sexist comments against women posted by other women, but most sexist comments against men are also posted by women. It's almost like maybe women are the ones who need to be educated about this kind of stuff, and not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 02:01 PM
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I took it when I was younger. I think it's a product of vanity. Why / how are you a special little snowflake. As an adult I don't care to take the tests but when I was younger I remember being very interested in it, especially in all the ways that it told me I was special in comparison to other people...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 01:14 PM
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I don't know. If you're making a point though you can go ahead and make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 10:18 PM
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Again this doesn't jive with economic theory. All it takes is one company to hire women instead of men and then either their competition catches on, or their competition goes bankrupt, until every company out their preferencially hires women over men. And you can't tell me every major company out there hasn't already looked at doing this, especially with all the noise around this issue (and with their willingness to put profits above everything else). It's not like nobody has ever thought of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 09:54 PM
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A marriage contact would not even be legal if it weren't for all the special (and usually misandrist) laws that apply to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 08:09 PM
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Most men who dislike traditional gender roles for men also dislike traditional gender roles for women. In reality what that is, is equality. I would argue that both the man and the woman conforming to traditional gender roles is also a form of equality. But in the modern world where men are expected to conform to traditional gender roles, and women aren't, what you have is blatant discrimination against men. And that's what a lot of men don't like. The men who dislike traditional gender roles fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 07:57 PM
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Most of the time the attraction is something physical I guess you could just a easily argue that some women are obsessed with celebrities specifically because they're good looking. Ie, basically the opposite of what OP is arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 07:31 PM
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No that is pretty standard logic from economics. If you have an identical product, or at least another product that is a sufficient substitute, and it's cheaper, then demand for that product will go up, thus increasing prices, and creating a surplus for the other product (which then causes it's price to go down, until they meet in the middle). The idea that women could make less money despite producing the same value, is not, in theory, possible from an economics standpoint. And the fact that bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 07:15 PM
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The actual pool of men who want to get married is smaller, and continues to get smaller. That's what the biggest factor is here. Most women want to get married, they just also want to get married to a specific type guy. The problem is that guy, in increasingly larger and larger numbers, doesn't want to get married at all, not even to the "right girl" if he were to find her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 07:06 PM
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And what does this say about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 06:56 PM
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Or for virtue signaling. Women have always tried to peg men as the bad gender when it comes to attraction and sex, with men portrayed as animals, and women being portrayed as "complicated" or more "interesting". It also implies that if a man wants to have sex, he has to "put out" in other ways for women. Because let's face it, this emotionality stuff is just a front for buying dinner and taking her out to interesting places so that she can have fun through his time, effort, and money. It's a win…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 06:44 PM
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That's what it turned into though. The term blue pill, as a description of a "nice guy" or a simp / beta applies to a lot of men (or at least, a lot of men understand that they are the ones who the red pillers are talking about), and those men decided to "own" the term and double down on their way of thinking instead of adopting the red pill. The same thing I'm sure applies to women as well, with red pilled women on one side, and blue pilled women on the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 06:35 PM
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Women initiate divorces more often than men. Because men are afraid of being divorced and losing everything to their wife. That's what the actual data shows. Women simply don't face the same consequences that men do so it's not as big of a deal to them. After all men break up with women equally as often as the reverse. The only thing that changes after getting married is the threat of getting divorce raped. Men literally are traped staying in unhealthy and abusive relationships because they're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 06:15 PM
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The trend has been for men to opt out of marriage, not women. Women very often just can't find men who are interested, and give up. Granted a big part of that is because our marriage, divorce, child custody, and child support laws are incredibly misandrist and discriminatory against men. But part of it is the very real, and scientifically supported notion of a "ball and chain". Ie being nagged constantly, treated like a slave around the house, used for your money, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 06:10 PM
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men are perceived as a more valuable worker Or the free market has simply decided this is the case. When you account for differences in life decisions between men and women, the wage gap essentially disappears. And in some cases women are actually paid more for doing the same or even less work compared to men (See: Google and most of the tech industry).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 06:03 PM
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Actual data from places like Pew tend to show men doing more of the work, especially when both spouses work. I know I share an equal, if not greater amount of work at home compared to my wife (especially during the summer), and I actually work an extra 20 hours a week compared to her. That's obviously just me, but the data suggests that this is fairly common. Women on average have more time to themselves for hobbies, self care, sleeping, napping, etc, compared to men. And when children aren't in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:58 PM
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He doesn't want me to fix it, he wants dinner and a smile. I'm not discounting your experience or intuition here, but men are, far more than women, concerned with results more than anything else. We don't care who's fault it was, or how difficult it was, or what caused it, but the actual final result of it being done. The stereotype is that women complain about things, men fix them, and then women still aren't happy because what they actually wanted was a shoulder to cry on (ie, "emotional suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:50 PM
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women also have other outlets for it, which means each individual is carrying less of her emotional weight Here's a question though: do women have more emotional baggage than men? Men might have fewer outlets because they actually need it less than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:44 PM
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Most men, at least biologicaly, if not from social conditioning, tend to go out of their way to make women happy. And maybe it's not "sexy". I'm sure the red pill has a theory about that. But it's not like some men are and other men aren't, like it's not an alpha / beta thing. It's just part of most men's biological / social conditioning to be extra nice and respectful of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 05:39 PM
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On the flip side we have stereotypes about men being whipped and bossed around by women. A lot of men do legitimately care about how their wives / girlfriends feel, to the point that said wives and girlfriends can easily manipulate and take advantage of them. And often times you don't even have to be in a relationship for a man to go out of his way to help a woman. If women are "people pleasers" then men are definitely "women pleasers", and have been socialized just as much to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 02:50 PM
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What do you think you're giving and what do you think you're getting in return? I guess this could differ from person to person but I'm curious what you think you're exchanging. Bonus question: What would you rather it look like instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 02:33 PM
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You obviously shouldn't bully someone for being fat though, which I think was actually a problem that needed addresses at one point. What's happened here is probably like what's happened in a lot of other areas of society (like with feminism and how men are now treated in society as a result). The pendulum has swung way too far in the other direction instead of stopping in the middle where it belongs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 01:34 PM
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A lot of women do try to trade their love / sex for a man's money / resources / labor (having someone earn money for you and also having a house slave to boss and nag at). Many people here try to defend this setup but I don't think it's really fair. Ideally you should trade love for love, commitment for commitment, sex for sex, etc. Any women trying to use love or sex to get anything else besides love and sex in return (including "commitment"), is essentially a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 01:19 PM
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You also see it from people who do get what they want and expect to continue getting what they want. A lot of women fall in this camp, whereas a lot of men are more like what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 01:12 PM
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A lot of people here aren't blue piled or red pilled, and honestly I think the real world is probably in between the two, which is probably the best outcome for women, and the worst outcome for men. I think there are two fair options here: the traditionalist approach, which has women giving up some of their autonoy for the obvious privilege of not having any real responsibilities in life. Or something more progressive than what we see even from the blue pills, where men are given all the same ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 01:02 PM
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Most men have essentially been gaslighted by society. I'm pretty sure that's the entire reason people call the red pill, the red pill (ie, the obvious matrix reference). Not an endorsement of the red pill btw it just makes sense from that perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 08:20 PM
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And yet the vast majority of women do not support themselves on their own merits, and live off the money and labor that they extract from men (or indirectly, from the government). Women are a net sink in the economy; consuming on average more goods and resources than what they produce in exchange. My guess is that the few women out there who are capable of living on their own are also the same women who stay single. The rest get married because life is too hard for them on their own. Oh and men …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:58 PM
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You might just need to be more casual and laid back. Part of it could be learning to be more comfortable with yourself, also.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:48 PM
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I would call dancing a hobby. It's also a skill, which most hobbies also are. It could also be a career if you were paid to do it. Which again is also true for most hobbies, and probably goes a long way in defining why certain things are hobbies and other things aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:42 PM
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The thing is, responding to mistakes with more mistakes will not make anything better. That's what petty people do to "get back at each other", and all it does is cause fights and arguments. This is true regardless of how you characterize the two parties. He could be the laziest person on the planet, and what I said will still be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:26 PM
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You literally personally insulted me by name you just think it’s okay for you to do I can still see my post. It was about the types of characteristics that some women have, and the types of men that those characteristics might attract. Which is the same discussion that other people are having elsewhere, including at least one top level comment with quite a few replies to it. My comment was not about you or even directed towards you. You weren't even in the comment chain yet. Your comment though …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:28 PM
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I remember when I was in grade school this kid, who I could have easily beat up, wanted to fight me for some dumb reason. And instead of fighting him I "did the right thing" and went to the teacher because I didn't want to get in trouble for it. Well both of us got detention even though he was unilaterally at fault. And when I asked the teacher why both of us got detention, she basically told me that it was to appease the other kid, because if only he got detention, he might be mad or something.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:15 PM
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Neither of us insulted you. You attacked Aaren directly with a strait up ad hominen and that's why your post was removed. I still have it in my clipboard if you want to disagree with me on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:01 PM
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"I went to the store and bought groceries but I only bought things that I know you don't like and won't eat." You're basically just escalating things and turning it into some kind of battle or power play instead of addressing whatever issue might be bothering you. Like that's how you make things worse, not better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:54 PM
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*femininity I'm calling it a feminine trait that society defends and encourages instead of calling it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:26 PM
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An "adult husband" probably knows better then to put up with someone like her to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:16 PM
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The problem is she might legitimately not be able to do this. Part of her might not even want it to be true. She'll find excuses for everything won't ever let him "win" because she's already pissed about something else, and can't entertain the idea that her anger isn't legitimate and that she's the one who's in the wring, not him. That's why they say women are always right, especially when they're wrong. She's angry, therefore he's done something wrong. End of story. Some people might even call …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:12 PM
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It is true that we tend to judge men by how well they behave like women. Husbands are expected to behave like wives, fathers are expected to behave like mother, and young boys are expected to behave like girls (lest they get punished and medicated into submission). Our entire society is focused on women and judges people by women's standards. And that is incredible toxic and usually turns out bad for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 05:00 PM
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This sounds incredibly childish and petty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 04:53 PM
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Most people, most men anyway, do the best that they're capable of. It's rare that people are actually lazy. Usually they're just tired, or forgetful, or have things scheduled / planned differently from how you have them (like maybe he does certain chores right before bed instead of when he gets home or when you wake up... You think he's lazy because he sleeps in or sits on the couch after work, when he might just not be a morning person and might be extra tired right after work. And then when he…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 04:47 PM
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Over 50% of all new marriages end in divorce, and there's actually a relation where higher socioeconomic class leads to fewer divorces. It's actually entirely possible that the divorce rate for men who later become rich is substantially lower than it is for the same cohort of men who don't become rich. In fact, I'd say it is highly probable that this is true, since most divorces are caused by women (and they probably want to stay with a rich man, figuring they can't marry up from what they have)…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 08:08 PM
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The courts are sexist and anyone who supports this is also sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 08:04 PM
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We're talking about your first real job making real money, not what you did over the summer during college or highschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 08:03 PM
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Money was never part of my priorities, I just don't want a partner who's a lazy leech. This is pretty much how most men look at it (except it's almost impossible to find a woman who isn't a leach). If we abolished palimony and child support and unfair custody laws, maybe both genders could stop caring as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 07:49 PM
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Was that his first wife? You know she also gave him crap for running his businesses and everything. She thought they were rich enough and that he should give up his dreams and stay home and have a family with her. She was actively holding him back and now she just sits around like a lazy POS living off money that she didn't earn and that she doesn't deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 07:24 PM
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Elon has always been kind of a player, even before he was as rich as he is today. And his first wife was actively holding him back and actually gave him an ultimatum that he refused, which is what led to the divorce (she wanted him home more to start a family, he wanted to pursue his dreams, and his wife didn't let him... It's actually better for everyone that they broke up, seeing what he's accomplished since then). The Jeff Bezos thing came out of nowhere but it was his wife that wanted the di…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 07:19 PM
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being the main bread winner helps me feel in control Are you really in control though? Like did you ever really have a choice at any point in your life to do this? I think whatever control you think you have is largely an illusion. Most men are coerced, either directly by women, or by sexist social standards, into being the main breadwinner. Essentially you're just a slave for your wife or girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 06:47 PM
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In theory, if you ignore welfare and our sexist marriage laws concerning palimony, alimony, child support, and child custody, then this is absolutely true. The woman still has things better though, and that's what the topic of this discussion is about. Not to mention that most of your concerns don't apply in the real world, due to the factors that I mentioned above. Society simply doesn't let women fail, at least not in the way it does for men. When women fail they end up poor with subsidized ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 05:48 PM
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I think it's more about men just not thinking it's fair. If anything it's women who are bitter at men for not letting them do this anymore, with OP probably being one of these people herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 05:16 PM
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It's the man who has to struggle and work twice as hard though to remain employed, not the woman. To give you an analogy: would you rather learn how to fly a plane and deal with flight control and the stress of landing a plane every time you wanted to go somewhere? Or would you rather somebody else put in all that effort and let them take care of it for you? Sure you might worry some if the plane starts shaking, and maybe it might suck not having any "control" when the happens, but it's still a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 05:13 PM
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If it's sexist then simply don't marry women who make less money than you. Lol. Women are the ones who defend the status quo. They take easier, lower paying jobs under the assumption that they can subsidize their incomes by taking advantage of men (and if you don't believe me, not only have there been entire books written on this subject, but there is a woman right now on PPD who started a thread about this, not to mention an entire subreddit full of women looking for "dating advice" who are cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:49 PM
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It's different if you live with them full time. I clean up after my wife all the time. She won't admit to it, of course, but it's really not that big of a deal. Just the other day I bleached our bathroom because it was cool out and I could open the windows. I did it because I like to have a really clean bathroom, and just happened to be in the mood to clean it. Never did I think, "well that stain is hers so I won't clean it" or anything like that. If you have a problem with this type of stuff th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:29 PM
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and if the guy doesn't have money, she'll likely not receive any alimony. She shouldn't receive alimony, period. It is incredibly sexist and unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:19 PM
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Ok sorry about that. Wasn't it a CMV? Or at least, couldn't you have posted it the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:15 PM
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What happened to your last thread? Why did you delete it? Are you planning on deleting this one like you did your last one?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:13 PM
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Most SAHWs have the option of working if they want to. Many of them don't, some of them do. The modern economy actually gives SAHWs plenty of options for gainful employment though part time flexible hours and gig work. Now they might not be paying all the bills with that money, but they can go out shopping, eat out, buy a new purse, etc. Like yeah it would suck if I didn't have my own money at all and had to go through someone every time I wanted to buy something. But that's not what usually hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:11 PM
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I've never had a LTR or gotten married to a woman who didn't put out fairly early. It almost always starts out casual. Then you eventually realize you like her enough to keep her around a bit longer. And that's pretty much predicated on how emotionally mature and needy she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 03:19 PM
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Not eating whatever you want has health benefit and should be a discipline everyone accepts for their own benefit. At a certain point it's just a matter of self control. Like it's really not that hard. Women are just used to having everything handed to them in life so they're not used to having to put in that kind of effort for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 03:10 PM
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Here's the link: https://archive.is/NHC61 You can find all of the sources in the link I posted at the bottom: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main The fact is men, and especially masculinity, tend to be portrayed negatively in the media. You can argue about how women are portrayed or sexualized all you want, but it doesn't stop the fact that this is happening to men and that it's having a negative effect on how men and boys see themselves. Especially when you combine that with the feminizati…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 03:00 PM
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They are portrayed positively. I could name dozens of popular movies just from the last As an actual, published scientific fact, 69% of all media portrayals of men are negative, with less than 12% being positive (and the rest being neutral). And even when men are portrayed positively, it's usually because they're being celebrated for showing their feminine side, not because of their masculine traits. It's considered progressive for men to adopt positive female characteristics, and for masculine …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 02:11 PM
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As about child custody, women get custody more often because WOMEN SPEND MORE TIME ON PARENTING Because their wives guilt them into working more so they can stay at home secure their position as the primary caretaker. It is a really big privilege to be able to spend more time at home and do what you want to do, and women have shaped our social standards and written our laws in ways to protect this privilege. Men should be given equal custody as a legal default, with zero child support to subsidi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:58 PM
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5. Negative portrayals of men in media/culture Overview: The issue of how women are portrayed in media/culture is currently a hot topic, but it's important to be critical of how men are portrayed as well. As a society we're questioning the predominance of men in hero roles, but we're not questioning the predominance of men in villain roles. Examples/evidence: Jim Macnamara did his PhD research at the University of Western Sydney on men's portrayal in the media [1]. He looked at over 2,000 media …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:35 PM
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This is basically what I was going to say. Boys are treated like they were defective girls. Daycare workers, teachers, and even parents (even male parents) often don't know how to raise boys, or simply aren't interested in it. The proper behavior for a child is strongly associated with the natural way that girls behave, and anything that deviates from this norm is deemed to be bad. That's why young boys are increasingly medicated and seen as defective. Entire generations of men are being left be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:21 PM
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This is just sexist, ignorant thinking right here. Crime is usually comited out of desperation, not because you're a man. Men are not animals. More men commit crime in large part because life is much more difficult for men than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:16 PM
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If you spend your whole life doing nothing but watching TV then the guy who travels the world or paints for a living or likes to go out to bars or go kayaking or eat interesting food, might not appeal to you as much. But I would argue that all of these people are very interesting to be around, and you're the one who would be a bore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:12 PM
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You're more than welcome to educate yourself as well. Look up Who Stole Feminism and The War Against Boys. That should give you a good introduction on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 12:35 PM
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Feminism has NEVER been about men’s rights. It’s in the linguistic root of the word, FFS This is exactly my point. If you care about equality, you can't be a feminist. Maybe they tried to lie about that and convince people it was true (with all that BS about feminism helping men). And maybe at one point feminism did stand for equality. But nowadays it's just a movement for bigots and misandrists. It's all about taking rights away from men, giving everything to women, and maybe enslaving the enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 12:56 AM
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Oh, good lord, Christina Hoff Sommers is not a first wave feminist She is an equity feminists and has been a widely celebrated feminist probably since before you were born. The fact that modern day feminists, third wave, forth wave, whatever, all hate her, speaks a lot about where feminism is and what it stands for. For all the talk about equality, very few feminists actuality support true gender equality anymore. You even see excuses from feminists who say things like, "why would we care about …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 08:44 PM
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Some people have a full time job and also do interesting things with their lives. Other people have full time jobs do jack shit except watch TV and listen to music all the time. These are also the same people who know the most about what's happening in TV and music. You're trying to act like the first group is full of boring losers and the second group is full of enlightened and well informed people though. And I think this is completely wrong to the point of literally being ass backwards from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 08:24 PM
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There are very few equality feminists anymore, to the point that actual first wave equality feminists are betated by other feminists (see: Christina Hoff Sommers). Most actual feminists pretty much admit that the movement has already met most of its goals, and some have come full circle and are already on board with the men's rights movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 07:30 PM
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Just like Jerry Springer and Maury (sp?) and all of those types of shows. My respect for someone goes out the window if they admit to liking those types of shows. Fyi parent is talking about a different sub of mostly women who are legitimately upset that they can't find someone, not the sub that makes fun of those types of people... Not sure if you got that or not based on what your response was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 07:16 PM
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It's been around for a while. There's a nice guys version of this sub too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 07:01 PM
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Do you mean gendercide? Fun fact: gendercide has only ever targeted men. In the entire history of the planet we have never tried to systematically slaughter women because of their gender. We have, however, targeted men. Several times. There have even been movements to do this inside the United States (by feminists).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 06:44 PM
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Well that's basically what I said. A woman wants to have sex but we act like she's being raped. A man wants to have sex and we act like he's a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 06:09 PM
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Yeah that's basically my point. If this were a woman, that's the discussion we would be having right now. But instead we're asking whether or not we can preemptively treat him like a rapist, which I think shows the kind of discrimination and prejudices that most men face in society. I mean if anyone ever suggested we ban a woman from trying to date someone, all the REEES would come out of the woodwork screaming and hollering about sexism and the patriarchy and everything. But when it happens to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:44 PM
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Usually your physical appearance is binary, in that you either meet someone's minimal standards, or you don't. Their personality comes after that. And women aren't unique here, either. Most men out there are looking for women who are decently attractive and who aren't bitchy or crazy. Men might look for things like humor and kindness a little less than women do, but we definitely judge your mental stability and whether or not you nag too much or are too needy. Those count as personality traits a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:24 PM
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Yeah it’s a massive privilege to stay at home AND do what you want to do The implication is that staying at home and spending more time with your kids (not to mention pursuing your hobbies, decorating the house, watching TV, and things like that) is something that most people, men and women both, want to do. But only women are granted that privilege. I'm not sure if capitalizing the word "and" was to somehow imply something different, so I'm being extra specific here. I agree that remote work is…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:43 PM
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I'm surprised that someone would even suggest that we should legally limit his rights here. It's clearly an example of blatant bigotry against men and the disabled. I guarantee if this was a women, she would have had sex with someone, and we'd be questioning whether or not to charge that someone with rape (and whether or not he "took advantage of her"), even though she clearly just really wanted to have sex with someone. But when the genders are reversed we quickly look at this with an eye of cy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:20 PM
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If he is cognizant enough to get his clothes off and stick his dick in, but she is so drunk she can't do anything, then he is not nearly as affected by alcohol as her, and could be guilty of raping her. If she is cognizant enough to get her clothes off and ride his face or dick, but he is so drunk he can't move, then she is not nearly as affected by alcohol as he is, and could be guilty of raping him. Sure, but this isn't how things work in the real world. What should be, and what is, are not on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:08 PM
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Employment statistics don't lie on this one. Men literally work themselves to death, dying on average several years younger than women, and making up the vast majority of occupational related illnesses and deaths. And that's even before you look at who has jobs, how long they work, and how difficult those jobs are. With women it is almost always optional. With men your only option is being homeless, or maybe doing the "go your own way" thing and working the same easy jobs that women do, just not…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 02:26 PM
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You get it by knowing the right people. Hard work is occasionally rewarded. But the fact is, most people work hard. And if that's all there was to it, then everyone would be doing it, and everyone would be millionaires. It takes hard work plus luck and knowing the right people. And sometimes the hard work part of this is optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 02:03 PM
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It is for men, not for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:56 PM
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It's more correct to say that women have a choice, and men don't. mothers end up wanting to spend more time with their babies relative to men Speaking from experience here: a lot of men behave this way because that is what's expected of them, not because that is what they actually want. Many men feel guilty trying to take time with the kid away from the mother, even if that is what should be fair. We excuse women for working less, but men are shamed as "deadbeat" if they do the same thing (often…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:46 PM
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I've babysit kids who had "firsts" with me and my wife watching them. The mom didn't seem too upset though. Which I guess is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:42 PM
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Most women do, but then they complain about being paid less. Most men would also like this option. But our sexist anti-male society forces men to work much harder than what women do (in part because men are expected to subsidize women financially).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:38 PM
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It's only hard if you're lazy. People assume they can come home and do nothing but watch TV, and that's just not the case with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:32 PM
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An autistic women would throw herself on random strangers trying to get laid, and the first man who consented would be charged with rape. It's interesting how when it's a man, the question we ask is whether or not we can charge him with rape, not whether or not he can be raped. Kind of like how when a man and a woman are both drunk, it's the man who gets charged with rape, not the woman, even though they should both be equally culpable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:27 PM
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They shouldn't, but that doesn't stop bigots and misandrists from trying to reach that far.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:19 PM
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I think she's implying that this is far less likely to happen. Especially in this context because she would already know what she's signing up for and can expect that he might be hard to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:17 PM
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What really happened is some nasty, anti-male bigots didn't like the idea of a man with autism trying to date women. Someone actually had the nerve to try and step on his rights as human being over this. And the courts rightly said that no, you can't do that. It's not moral. It's not ethical. It's not legal. And then some more nasty, anti-male bigots saw this story and tried to spin it like he was given the right to rape someone. But no matter how much they would love to be indignant and complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 12:41 PM
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I mean that's kind of like where you can get in trouble for drunk driving but they still say you're not cognizant enough to consent to sex. Or how men are deemed to be rapists for having sex with a woman who's drunk, but women aren't held to the same standard. There are all kinds of these "double standards" in society (really it amounts to sexism and bigotry against men... calling it a double standard is just a nice way of saying that).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 12:16 PM
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A lot of women don't understand it either. In fact a lot of women probably have a false sense of confidence that leads them to push boundaries in ways that most men don't. I mean men are raped surprisingly often (literally equally as often as women are) we just don't talk about it as much in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 11:59 AM
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That's not what this is saying though. He doesn't have a license to rape anyone. He is just legally allowed to "pursue happiness", wich I imagine is something like a constitutional right in Britain.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 11:55 AM
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He would still be put in jail. The insanity plea, even if it could be pursued here, just sends you to a different type of jail. It doesn't get you out scott free.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 11:53 AM
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It's mostly just show. Part of the fun, basically. Except for international soccer / football. But there's a strong nationalistic element to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 09:02 PM
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It goes both ways. There are a lot of people who suck at life but they can tell you all the latest gossip happening in Hollywood. It's like some sort of wierd perverse escape from the real world. In fact most people who have anything going for them can't be bothered to care about that kind of stuff in the first place (unless they're actually in the industry).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 08:56 PM
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He’s someone with a job and pay taxes and doesnt do crime I've heard variants of this from more women than I can count. It's usually, "has a job and a car" and it's sometimes, "has a good job", but this is what you hear all the time from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 08:22 PM
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Me and my wife both got married under the assumption of gender equality. She works. We signed a prenup (this is a big one if you want true gender equality -- our marriage laws are incredibly sexist against men). I was adamant about doing an equal amount of household chores. And for the most part this is what happened. She definitely spends some of my money though, and most of our chores have ended up being split down gender lines. I still cook and clean some and she'll get the garbage if I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 08:05 PM
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Most indications are that men pick up more of the household chores when their wife / ltr works. Sure some men don't but that's not the norm. Men have always statistically worked more than women, even back when we had housewives. And the difference here has actually gotten larger over the years, coinciding with women entering the workforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 07:52 PM
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effeminate men are busy caring about their appearance Some of these guys are pretty successful with women. I like to call it the boy band look.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 07:35 PM
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You should have lead with this ;) Outside the party / club scene this does seem accurate to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 07:32 PM
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Poetry has traditionally been dominated by men. Women read it more, but men are the ones who write it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 07:04 PM
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Society these days has more impact on making people transgender than it does holding people back from it. I agree with most of what you're saying, but this is compete and utter bullshit. The single most discriminated group in the United States are transgendered women (men who turn into women), followed closely, I'm sure, by transgendered men. People in society actively hunt them down and murder them in cold blood. Like it's pretty brutal what's happening right now. I don't understand transgender…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 06:51 PM
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It really doesn't dude. Like you might be right. I'm not saying you're wrong. But the study you posted does not back up what you're saying at all. Like it's not even relevant. And like the other poster said, if you disagree, quote the specific part of the study you think supports your argument! Like it's really not that hard...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 06:30 PM
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More men are capable of learning how to cook than there are women who are capable of learning and doing the work that men tend to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:55 PM
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Let's do your experiment; let's take 100 men and women from birth and teach them the same skill sets and then separate them and see who survives. There have actually been wilderness survival shows where they separated the men and the women, and the women on these shows basically can't cut it by themselves. And these are professional survivalists who basically do this for a living. Like sure maybe when they were 5 years old they weren't out living in the woods (neither were the guys), but I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:44 PM
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Only because of sexist laws and social standards that discriminate against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:40 PM
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I'm not denying that this is what most people do. It may in fact be what we're evolved, as a species to do. But that doesn't mean that it's not a form of manipulation and that it shouldn't be criticised as a toxic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:34 PM
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Obviously it is not prostitution. But it is a form of manipulation and is a toxic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:27 PM
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Men might learn the tasks women do more easily, but women can learn to do the tasks men do and do them, so they don't need them. My argument is that for a substantially large number of women, over the entire gambit of things that men do this isn't actually true (and not just for working on cars, but things like plumbing, electrical work, even things like mowing... A substantialy large number of women can't even physically handle yardwork).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:51 PM
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Here's some of the research if you want to look at it. It's an article about father's day but the statistic about who does how much work is in there with a nice graph and everything for you to look at: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/fathers-day-facts/ I mean there's a lot more to keeping a house than cleaning it, and I'm including both regular and irregular tasks. Like hopefully you empty your trash at least every other day, and that's one that men tend to do, not women. Also, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:47 PM
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Clearly you've never done much yard work. In terms of total hours though, men tend to do more work than women do. Like this is an actual statistic that gets linked to a lot around here. And that only looks at hours worked, not how difficult the work is, which is far more relevant to the discussion here (my wife would never trade chores with me, but I'd happily do hers in exchange for mine). After all, single women hire men all the time to do things around the house. Men, on the other hand, rarel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:20 PM
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Only rich people can consistently afford maids amd nannies. I'm not going to squable over socioeconomic status here, but we hire a lady to clean our house usually once or twice a year, and she charges us less then minimum wage. And a teenager will watch your kid for like $20 if you let her use your internet and television... What unpaid labor men perform more? It's pretty typical for male labor to be unrecognized and underappreciated like this. But I'll start you off with home maintenance and ya…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:01 PM
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if they are capable of learning how to do it (no matter how difficult) then they don't need a man to do, they want a man to do it Just because you know how to do something, doesn't mean you actually can. I know how to lift a dumbbell with 400 pounds on it. I know how to run a marathon. I understand the theory of music and what differentiates a good symphony from a bad one. That doesn't mean that I can actually do any of those things, especially not well. Parent was harping on the intellectual si…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:43 PM
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Most of society is already tailored and geared towards women. Maybe this isn't the case when it comes to factory work, but this could largely be because women typically don't want to do this kind of work, which is essentially what my point was. I know that makes it a "chicken and the egg" situation but obviously there's nothing stopping women from actually entering the industry if they want to. And I guarantee men would bend over backwards to accommodate women in the most absurd and illogical of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:20 PM
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I've troubleshooted and fixed plenty of problems in the past. I'm not a mechanic but people have a way of bringing their cars to me and expecting me to fix them. And there are plenty of simple, everyday maintenance tasks and troubleshooting that are very easy to do. Changing spark plugs, replacing filters, breaks, bulbs, headlights, things like that. And while I'm sure you'll agree with me here, my point mainly is that tasks like that are often done by the husband / boyfriend / father, if it's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:00 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? I mean as an actual concept it's flawed for the fact that women are usually "paid" far more then what an equivalent maid or nanny would be paid. And the fact that men perform more paid / unpaid labor in comparison to women, making it a moot point anyway. Women on average have more time to themselves for hobbies and self care and things like that in comparison to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 06:31 PM
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learning how to fix cars The issue isn't about "learning" to fix a car, no matter how fixated on this you strangely appear to be. It's about actually doing it. I'm looking for results. Not "I know how to do it, but didn't". It's, "did you put in the labor and effort to do it yourself?" Are women equally capable of fixing cars as men are? And if so, why do they always ask their husbands and boyfriends to do it? We've already automated most of the complicated or tedious household chores, like clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 06:24 PM
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In the case of fixing a car, I'm guessing that physical strength is a much more important factor. Learning how to fix a car is easy. There are step by step howtos for everything, and even if you've never worked on a car, you can still follow instructions (the same is oddly true for cooking... cooking just requires far less labor, which is a fantastic point for in favor of my argument). Plenty of men who are first time car owners figure this stuff out completely on their own without any prior rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:16 PM
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If you ask me to fix your car for you, I'm going to assume that you either don't know how, or that you do know, but you need extra help. The only other logical conclusion is that you're lazy; you simply don't want to do it, even though you actually could if you chose to. That's it. And this is what's happening over and over again throughout society between men and women. Now maybe I like fixing cars and I don't mind helping you out because you're a good friend. But again, this is still basically…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:39 PM
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I think that's a fair point. Strength and endurance play a bigger factor than you might think though (have you ever worked on a car, for example?). The roles that men play in society are usually the things that women leave to men to do, not the thinga that men would rather do if given a choice. And the things that men do are usually harder. So are women equally capable of doing these things, but they're lazy and / or think too highly of themselves to do it? Or are they actually just less capable…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:21 PM
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I think men are more likely to want to be with a women for sincere reasons like wanting a companion or a lover. Women are more likely to want to be with a man for things like free labor, money, a nice house, a nice car, etc. And I think this is because, at least in history, women were far more dependent on men then the other way around. A man dated a woman because he liked her, maybe because she looked fertile. But a woman dated a man because he was big and strong and able to build her a house a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:52 PM
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This is twice you've made this sort of comment but I think you're missing the point. Do you not think it is easier for a man to do things like cooking or taking care of the laundry than it is for a woman to fix things and perform home maintenance? Sure you can hire someone to do those things (which is what most single women do) but you can also hire someone to do the former, if you really have to (which most single men don't need to), and for a lot less money at that. This is only one aspect of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:39 PM
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This is a really weird way of dehumanizing both sides. It's your argument, not mine. I'm merely pointing out why I don't like it, with this being one of those reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:24 PM
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Literally no research shows that women somehow give men more wealth or happiness through marriage. It does heavily imply that women are more likely to marry men who are healthier and have more money, and that women who are less capable of supporting themselves are more likely to want to get married. But saying that married women somehow generate health and happiness for men is just bad science and breaks one of the most fundamental rules for interpreting research: correlation does not imply caus…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:20 PM
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This was basically my thought on the issue. Men are perfectly happy with having a companion and a lover. Women on the other hand want both of these things AND a whole lot more. And I think this represents differences in needs (or at least "wants") between genders. If women didn't need as much from men then they would be less demanding and you would see less nagging and things like that. They would get the things that they want in life without asking or tricking a man to get those things for them…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:13 PM
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I appreciate this kind of argument but I have a problem with it. Sex is supposed to be a mutually enjoyable activity that both people want to do. Asking for anything extra besides sex, in exchange for sex, is essentially just prostitution. This is true whether it happens implicitly or through social norms or whatever else. It is a form of manipulation and I think it is a toxic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:54 PM
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The societal reasons are going away. The biological reasons will never. I definitely think this is happening in the modern world, but outside of sex there is very little that women do for men, that men can't do themselves. The reverse, on the other hand, isn't nearly as true. There are far more women out there who can't (or won't) run a lawn mower than there are men who can't operate a washing machine, just as one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:44 PM
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Most men carry their own weight and generally provide more for society than what they take in return. With women though it is exactly the opposite. For that end they tend to rely on men, and take whatever excess that men already produce for themselves. This happens either directly through dating (free food and entertainment), marriage (free rent and paid bills), and even divorce (palimony, alimony, and child support, if applicable). Naturally this has, at least in the past, been offset by childc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:36 PM
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Ok well sorry for being snappy earlier. I put a lot of work into that post (and what was going to be my response). I actually thought my other post was more leading, but that's just because it's hard to word it neutrally without the title sounding strange. I have it set up as a discussion now not a Q4 whatever. Just an fyi if you're modding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:01 PM
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Ok well just a quick question. I was starting two threads today and I'm curious if you think this is leading. "Q4All: Do women need men more than men need women?" I can reverse the genders but the order is not necessarily implied to be leading.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:47 PM
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The premise is factual, not leading. The question is literally just why. For which I have a guess / answer that was going in the comments that I wanted to discuss. If it were a leading question, my answer would have been implied in the OP, not something distinct and separate from the original post. Do you not agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:38 PM
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Which question specifically? I think I addressed "how women, despite being weaker, can still rape a man" just fine. Weapons, alcohol, age differences, and coercion all play a part. Not to mention many women can in fact overpower a man just fine. In particular, more then 50% of college aged men admit to being coerced by a woman to have sex against their will at some point in their life. This is something that's even happened to me as an adult. It's not very uncommon. Men just don't talk about it …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 02:32 PM
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The paper I linked actually talks about that. The idea that a woman can't rape a man is a myth, and is something that you might liken to a "rape culture". Many women don't actually view their actions as wrong or predatory when they do it. This is especially true for older women, like teachers, who rape and abuse young boys. Female perpetrators reportedly bit, slapped, and hit male victims. In some cases female college students got on top of aroused men and forced the men to penetrate them. One m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 12:45 PM
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It actual hasn't. Some people just don't like to believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 12:30 PM
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Overall, female perpetrators only made up 20% of the perpetrators in this study Not quite. The paper literally never says that, you just made it up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24100409/ The paper found that female attackers tend to start at a later age then male attackers. So if you look at juveniles, it is higher among men, but the numbers even out when you hit 18 or 19 years old. Also, if you look at the paper I linked originally, it includes CDC and BJS numbers as well, and both st…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 12:28 PM
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Men are raped equally as often as women are, so it's not just a matter of severity. The question about butt grabbing is just hypothetical and would point to much larger issues besides just butt grabbing (like if it applies there, it probably applies equivalently across the entire spectrum of sexual harassment). I've had sex numerous times under questionable circumstances (where I didn't want to but felt that I had to) including one time when a woman threatened to accuse me of raping her if I did…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 10:54 PM
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Clearly the idea that men always want sex is a myth, and saying that encourages and empowers female attackers. There's a reason we keep hearing about teachers and social workers molesting young boys, and there's a reason many female rapists don't view their actions as wrong or predatory. "Clearly he wanted it... Clearly he was asking for it. Men always want sex, right?". That's what women tell themselves to justify their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:28 PM
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The profiling part is affected by race more so than gender You're confused. Gender and race definitely intersect here. But actual studies that look at court biases show that the bias against men is 6 times higher than it is against minorities. "Many men's issues interact with issues for racial minorities. The result is that minority men are doing the worst of any race/gender combination in numerous areas (including homelessness, life expectancy, and incarceration)." The DV rate for women is much…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:52 PM
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I think it's definitely decreased over the years. Modern CDC data that tracks yearly reports of rape and sexual assault actually shows near gender parity (48% of active rapists are women, and men are raped equally as often as women) but the lifetime prevalence of rape is still higher for women, because that includes years from previous decades where it was probably higher. I wonder to what extent this carries over into sexual harassment. Already the official numbers of 1 / 4 women and 1 / 6 men …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:11 PM
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Actual data shows that men are less likely to report or even know that they were raped. Data from the CDC for example shows that men are raped identically as often as women are, but very few would ever believe it without looking at the numbers (see here). I wonder to what extent this carries over into sexual harassment. Like I know the common statistic is that it effects 1 / 4 women and 1 / 6 men. But that's a small enough difference that it could actually be explained by women being more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:55 PM
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The exact same number of women admit to raping men. If you think awareness about sexual abuse against women is low, it's even worse when you look at men. By some metrics men are targeted equally as often as women are, but very few people will believe this even when you show it to them. Like at least we believe it when women talk about it, even if people assume it's less common than what it is. When it comes to men though, people assume it simply doesn't happen at all, which couldn't be farther f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:37 PM
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If you ask 1000 men on an anonymous survey, about 50 to 100 of them will claim to have penetrated a woman against her wishes or when she was incapacitated. If you ask women the same thing in reverse, you actually get a very similar number that you get from asking men. All the focus is on men who rape women, but the reverse is surprisingly common and you almost never hear anything about it. The fact that our rape laws tend to define rape as something that a man does to a woman, and not the revers…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:29 PM
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I'm a guy and I've had my butt grabbed and things like that on numerous occasions in bars and clubs. That's just kind of normal. My guess is women simply report it more because they are told that they are constantly targeted, and therefore they believe it. Like if someone touched your butt in an elevator, would you assume they did it on purpose? Ask this question to 100 men and 100 women and you'll start to see very clearly why women talk about this, and why men don't. Women are not assaulted at…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:23 PM
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When it comes to rape, statistics don't actually show much of a difference between men and women. The biggest differences are that men are less likely to report it than women, and are more likely to be stigmatized and suffer from emotional problems than women. Women who rape men also tend to be more violent and are more likely to use force than the reverse. 48% of all rapists are women, but significantly fewer of them go to jail than men, in part because many laws define rape as something that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:13 PM
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Plenty of data shows that men are raped equally as often as the reverse. Some 50% of college aged men admit to being coerced by a woman into having sex, for example, and other data shows that men tend to underreport this type of thing, especially when the perpetrator is female (meaning it is likely much higher than 50%). The only "rape culture" is the one where we assume men can't be raped, or that young boys must necessarily want to have sex with older women, like their teachers. Which is why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:05 PM
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I think women were already in charge back then. Sure they had to listen to men on occasion, but I think nagging and henpecking and things like that have always been a problem. Women didn't work not because they were being oppressed, but because they simply didn't want to. They instead had a man do it for them. Their "slave" as it were. And they only started working once automation and technology started making the work day easier in comparison to what it was back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:41 PM
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Men face the exact same hurdle of getting into a relationship that women do. Men just also face multiple hurdles before they even get to that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:28 PM
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Well as one example you're less likely to be profiled, arrested, or beaten / shot by the police. You're also more likely to receive help from other people, and there are more services available to women than there are for men. Examples include homeless shelters and domestic violence shelters (which, if you didn't know, effects men equally as it does women, even though men receive less help for it... And the fact that many people aren't aware of that, is another example of privilege that women ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:09 PM
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For a man sex is definitely one of the first major hurtles to getting a relationship (obviously getting a date comes first, but sex is probably the next major hurdle after that). Maybe because those first couple of steps come so easy to women, you guys just don't see it that way. But then that's kind of what the point of the OP was. You describe having "one hurdle" but I've just listed three hurdles that men have to cross just in order to get to the same place as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:53 PM
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I just don't see where the discussion goes from here That's a good point. I think OP is saying that a lot of women are openly hostile towards men and their problems because it comes so much easier to them. Granted I still don't know where you take it from there. At a legal level there are things we could do to fix some of the issues that men have (like better divorce and child custody laws, and parental rights for men like we already have for women). But when it comes to dating I'm not sure that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:48 PM
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Sex is the first hurdle in like 99% of relationships. Before then you're really just friends. That's what turns it into to an actual relationship. And whether or not you go steady or make it official is usually up to the woman. Some guys won't, but most will if the sex is good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:29 PM
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Female privilege is a thing. Yes it's related to attractiveness, in that less attractive women have less privilege, but that doesn't mean that they don't have any privilege at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:08 PM
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Well obviously it must be a man's fault. This is a universal truth in our misandrist, gynocentric society. The question is, why is it a man's fault? Do you think you can expand on that point a little? Because while I know and agree that it absolutely is a man's fault, I don't quite see how just yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:00 PM
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There is a lot of intersectionality between men's rights and minority rights. Many men's issues interact with issues for racial minorities. The result is that minority men are doing the worst of any race/gender combination in numerous areas (including homelessness, life expectancy, and incarceration). Also this is a CMV. Your post will end up being deleted if you don't repost it under the automod. Just a heads up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:53 PM
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Leave it to a woman to find a way to pin the blame on a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:50 PM
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Even if the cards are stacked against you, you can still win. Like yeah it's unfair, but what are you going to do about it? At the very least you can work to change the status quo or educate other people about some of these problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:46 PM
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Women still do better in comparison to men even when things are reversed. And when a sufficiently large number of women end up paying men for divorces, the laws will finally get changed anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:42 PM
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If they meant own, then why not use that word? Because the bank that did this study had a certain audience in mind when they published it, and that audience did not include uninformed and stuborn reddit users who don't know anything about academic level financial terminology. If a couple has only shared assets but the wife makes most of their financial decisions, then she controls more wealth than he does despite owning the same amount. No they both control an equal amount of wealth, she just us…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 08:07 PM
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Not necessarily a virtue signal but well played ;) I honestly don't blame women for taking advantage of any of this stuff. I'm sure men would do the same thing if they could. But there is a certain amount of hypocrisy and denialism around the topic. And of course it would be nice if we fixed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 07:17 PM
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How do you figure? At a certain point women weren't physically / biologically capable of doing what men did. Working 12 hour shifts in a coal mine without all the modem machinery that we have today wasn't just something women didn't want to do. At a certain point, they weren't even capable of doing the work even if they wanted to. It was only after technology made things a whole lot easier that women started dipping their toes in the workforce. And even today women tend to monopolize all the eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 05:56 PM
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I respect people who care about fairness and doing what's right, but that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 05:48 PM
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The second point might just be a matter of opinion but you can expand on why you feel that way if you want. Obviously it's better to have your own money. But if you still have your own money and you didn't have to work for it, I don't see how that is any worse, except maybe that you might feel guilty about it. Most money in society is spent on women; more money in total is spent on things that women want in comparison to things for children, and things that men want (it goes in that order: women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 05:29 PM
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We also need to work on legislation around divorce. Men will stay in unhappy and often abusive relationships largely because they're afraid of the financial and custodial consequences of getting divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 05:23 PM
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Maybe she cares about gender equality. Marriage is a sexist institution that systematically disenfranchises men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 05:21 PM
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Question: What is FSM? That's a new one to me that I've seen thrown around a lot recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:51 PM
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How do you figure? By getting married she would be taking advantage of a sexist and discriminatory institution that is designed to take advantage of men. By not getting married, the relationship is much more balanced and equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:39 PM
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How is he taking advantage of her? She would be taking advantage of him if she married him. By not getting married, the relationship is far more fair and equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:35 PM
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Women are respected far more then men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:32 PM
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Women tend to have better bargaining power than men though. Usually the man does what the woman wants, not the other way around. This is even true on a societal level, and is why women are treated better than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:31 PM
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I’d like to see the research that shows it is equal in numbers and severity. I don't have all the links and sources that some other posters have, but this has been discussed here at length in the past. Women are victims more often than men largely because lesbian relationships tend to be far more violent then gay male and heterosexual relationships. I think there's also research showering that girls are more likely to be abused by their mothers in comparison to sons, and that mothers make up som…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:13 PM
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Yeah I don't get that. Like maybe there are differences in our biology that would make traditional gender roles make sense. But if we're talking about equality, and especially the kind of equality championed by feminists, then I think it's about time women started ponying up and keeping their end of the bargain. Which obviously includes working and supporting yourself on your own merits, not taking advantage of and mooching off men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:53 PM
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Men also had things worse back then than what we have now. I didn't live back then so I can only offer speculation about who had it worse, but it honestly doesn't matter when things were shitty for everyone, men and women included. In the modern world though there's really no competition though. Women have things better hands down and it's almost an exercise in denialism to claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:40 PM
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It's not the same thing in this case though. Women have successfully championed for more privileges off the backs of men who suffer because of it. And they're done this through powerful lobying efforts and by making up 56% of the voting public.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:37 PM
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I mean getting laid really isn't a problem for me. Except during shark week maybe. I honestly get more than what I want / need.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:34 PM
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Try reading my post again, and maybe try responding to it. I think you're doing a lot of posters a disservice here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:57 PM
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What negatives are we talking about? Domestic violence is rare, and has strong gender parity (meaning women are equally as abusive to men as the reverse, and by some metrics are even worse). Palimony / alimony / child support / subsidized rent / food stamps are a thing nowadays. So being economically dependent isn't really a thing. If anything, men are beholden to, and economically dependent, to their wives. If she gets pissed off and leaves you in a fit if rage, it's your financial independence…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:55 PM
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The key word there is maybe. And it's not like women don't also have this choice if they don't like their husband (although you'd think they would have figured that out before they got married).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:48 PM
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Definitely not. You don't need a piece of paper to prove that you love someone. In fact I think that kind of love is stronger than what you find in marriage because it is actually your choice to continue to be together, not something that is forced on you because of something you signed 10 years ago. I might also assume that she's being progressive and that she actually cares about men and / or gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:42 PM
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I think that argument amounts to victim blaming. It was really feminists who came up with it in order to try and deflect some of the criticisms they were getting from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:38 PM
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Which we don't get credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:56 PM
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Plenty of academic research strongly disagrees with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:55 PM
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Do you think women are just completely innocent victims to men? Especially in the modern world I think the pendulum has swung heavily against men, if it even ever was in their favor to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:42 PM
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Too bad these kinds of women are a vanishingly small minority. My wife works but it's obvious her main strategy in life was to find a man, not to build her career. If I didn't make it clear that I expected her to continue working, she would have probably quit her job and insisted on being a housewife. Studies show that this is the case for a solid 80% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:38 PM
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If we had fair child custody laws and social norms that treated men equally to women, then I don't think this would be a problem. If a man can work full time and take care of a family, then so can a woman. Especially if we're talking about 50/50 custody. The reason we support women and their children is because they're too lazy to do that themselves. And instead of telling them to "woman up", we encourage and accept this kind of toxic behavior from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:33 PM
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That's probably just the judge at the local courthouse that will give her most of the man's money, both at present, and long into the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:31 PM
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In the US you get welfare, food stamps, child support, free cellphones, and subsidized rent (where the government pays part / all of your rent). Not sure if it's the same thing in France but don't underestimate the kind of life you can live with all this. I also don't think it's necessary bad that we have some of these things, but that is beside the point. Men make up the vast majority of chronically homeless, but women refuse to acknowledge this as a form of discrimination (against men) or priv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:27 PM
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Tell me where these easy 20 hour a week jobs that pay a living wage are. It's usually just one bad alternative vs another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:22 PM
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I don't think anybody is doing this when they say SAHWs are privileged. If anything people like OP are refusing to look at the whole picture, meaning more than just the potential (and nowadays rare) negatives of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:20 PM
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Maybe depending on context. But the study is literally talking about owned assets like real estate, stocks, bonds, cash, cash equivilants, etc. The word control is often used in a financial sense in exactly this manner. And I think this article, if you read it, makes that pretty clear to anyone not well versed in economics (Jeff Bezos doesn't own Amazon, he controls it, and his controlling interest is worth billions of dollars in real terms... You also don't own whatever money you have at a bank…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:15 PM
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I don't care about SAHMs. Being a SAHM doesn't mean you're a traditionalist. If you don't care about them then why are you talking about them so much? I think you'll find that most men understand that being a SAHM has some give and take to it. Most men just understand that it is a much better deal than the alternative, which is something that you refuse to discuss or acknowledge. Also your other thread has a bunch of unanswered comments from people, myself included. I know you got a lot of respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:10 PM
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That is usually what happens. Women statistically do not earn enough money to pay off the cost of their education. Usually it's men (or indirectly, the government) who pick up the tab here. Educated women tend to attracted men who are even more educated than they are, so that's really what a lot of this is about. Minus the 20% of women who actually do something with their careers, that is (I mean it's good to be fair / honest about this... some women aren't like that, but it certainly is a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:52 PM
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More freedom is generally better than less freedom The point is that libertarianism, at least in how it is commonly interpreted, does not lead to "more freedom", at least in comparison to other ideologies, such as liberalism. up until it becomes freedom to oppress others. This is exactly what happens in libertarianism. Most libertarians will argue that the rights of a single business owner are more important than the rights of millions and millions of employees, consumers, and even the rights of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 11:46 AM
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What I mean is power tends to centralize. Like if you impose a state of anarchy, a centralized power, like a government, will eventually form. And you see the same thing in capitalism with the free market. Eventually you get monopolies, oligarchies, etc, and your choices (and often your rights) get artificially restricted. You especially see this with labor, and that's why you have labor parties around the world protecting the rights of employees. Like imagine there's only one or two companies t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 07:52 PM
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See: George Orwell's 1984 Our fight against "communism" turned into a fight against "terrorism".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 06:36 PM
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Libertarianisms does appeal to certain high IQ individuals. I don't think that makes it correct though. It really just takes advantage of certain biases that intelligent people tend to have (mainly having to do with arrogance). I used to be a libertarian but I figure it's flawed for many of the same reasons anarchy is flawed. A large company can exert power and influence just the same way that government can, and they are equally capable of taking your rights away. This is true both in theory, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 06:25 PM
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Women make a majority of purchases, period, in large part because most money / wealth is owned by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 06:04 PM
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This is just pure ignorance and bigotry on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 05:27 PM
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Not to bash on women but some of those "survival" / nature shows have split people up by gender, and showed that women pretty much can't survive on their own without men. Women in these shows, many of them trained survivalists, mostly just sit around and bicker with each other instead of getting up and doing something to help everyone out. The men, however, still manage to build their campsites. And some are so successful that they even start fermenting alcohol and things like that once all the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 05:18 PM
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It's just a reaction to feminism and the discrimination and misandry that men now face because of it. Ie men's rights, the red pill (to an extent), maybe even some of the stuff you see from radical right wingers and tradcons (men's rights really should be a liberal / progressive issue, at least in theory, but recently you've seen a lot of it coming from the right).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 04:46 PM
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Throw in all the sexists divorce and child custody laws that were championed by women (especially by housewives) and you end up with this: https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/71AE1D7C-367C-11E7-8F9B-E711D5D35B3E Women are on track to owning two thirds of all wealth in the United States, despite only earning, through their own hard work and labor, barely a fraction of it (79 cents on the dollar if I remember correctly). Anyone who doesn't understand how privileged women are, and why we nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 04:36 PM
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When you add in how many hours men work in comparison to women, women are the ones who have more time to themselves outside of work / chores. A lot of women conveniently ignore this and it's really not that honest to do so. Men have always worked more than women, even back in 1965, but the gap has gotten larger over the years, and continues to get bigger, in part because more and more women are entering the workforce. See here for more information about that: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 04:19 PM
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Society is a lot harder on men. That's why you see that sort of thing. If it was socially acceptable to be a deadbeat and not work, like it is for women, then you would see a lot less of that kind of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 04:12 PM
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I don't know but I think most people agree that this is the case. There's actually a very old religious belief about who gets reincarnated into which gender based on personality traits like being more active / passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 04:09 PM
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"working jobs that pay less" While not universally true, it is very often true that jobs that pay less are easier and offer a better work-life balance. And actual research about the wage gap pretty much shows that this is the case. Men work longer hours, with less paid time off, and fewer befits (like health insurance) in comparison to women. And this plays directly into how often men go to the doctor, which was my point originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:57 PM
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For the most part, that didn't happen, unfortunately. Research from Pew shows that the more the wife works, the more work around the house men tend to do. I've linked this study several times and I'm sure I've had this discussion with you in the past. Men on average do more work supporting a family than women do. It is admittedly a small difference, on the order of a few hours per week, but it is absolutely not true that women are somehow getting the short end of the stick here. This is especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:38 PM
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They probably prefer it because women are passive and never ask men out or move things along the way men do. If women pursued men the way men pursued women, I'm sure a lot of guys would change their tune here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:32 PM
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Very few gender roles benefit men anymore. And the few that do come with serious downfalls that outweigh anything positive from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:30 PM
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If we addressed toxic female behaviors like nagging, or hypergamy, or feigned helplessness and things like that, I'm sure a lot more men would be open to the reverse. I'm sure you'd see a lot of women who were equally as offended and opposed to this narrative as you see from men, also. Right now it's very much one sided and I think that's where you see a lot of resentment and pushback from men coming from. Women / feminists simply aren't being honest and genuine, and men are slowly waking up to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:28 PM
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Men are often forced to be career driven by women though. We don't have the same options in life that women have, and that's because most women, and especially most feminists, have double standards about this. Like sure I might technically have that option of working easier jobs and making less money. But then I also wouldn't have a wife, or probably even any kind of dating life. So we might have similar goals on the surface, but in the real world, men are simply never going to receive the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:14 PM
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You don't think men are cashiers? I mean I agree with you but the only area this is really true is for things like daycare and primary education. You'd also have to address common gender dynamics like hypergamy and women expecting men to be providers. Men don't necessarily want to work the jobs that they do. They just have to because that is what women expect out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:00 PM
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You'd probably see it along a spectrum, like an equal number of stay at home husbands as there are stay at home wives. But in theory you'd see a lot of families where everything was 50/50 also.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:48 PM
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Like someone else said, tradcons probably just think it's fair that if men aren't given the same rights and privileges that women have, that women should be forced to hold up "their end of the deal", which usually refers to traditional gender roles. For example, if I'm still expected to be a provider, mow the lawn, and put up with toxic female behaviors like nagging, then she should still be expected to cook dinner and clean the house. I'm not a tradcon and I don't support traditional gender rol…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:46 PM
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women are more likely to report their symptoms and seek help Women are more likely to have the flexibility from working easier jobs (or just not working at all) in order to go to a doctor, and are also more likely to work jobs that have benefits like health insurance (or be on public assistance that gives you insurance) in order to pay for a doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:35 PM
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The kid I paid $10 was my 9 year old. Whom you also pay room and board for, which I'm sure comes out to a lot more than $10. Try hiring your neighbor's kid or a professional lawn service and see how much it would cost. That’s how hard it is to mow a lawn. The same can be said about laundry. And if we let the free market tell us anything about this, laundry is a whole hell of a lot easier than mowing than lawn. I’d like to see research showing that “men do more work than women do.” I posted a lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:16 PM
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If both parents have equal custody then neither patent should have to pay child support. That's what fairness and equality looks like, and that's what a world where we don't discriminate against people based on gender looks like. All it does is encourage both parents to work less which is overall a detriment to the child. And mothers do disproportionately work less (and often not at all) in comparison to fathers because they take advantage of this sexist and bigoted money transfer system.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:11 PM
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And this is where you, and most feminists, are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:04 PM
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This is just pure ignorance. You seriously need to educate yourself a little about this. Just look up mens rights groups, like in the real world, and see what all it is that they do. They often not only push for legislation to fix some of these issues, but offer a helping hand to men (and especially to fathers and recently divorced men) who find themselves receiving the short end of the stick here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:03 PM
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Yes, I'm sure they encourage their sons and daughters to consider a career in waste hauling, right? Garbage collector is a pretty good, although sometimes overlooked, career choice. Same thing with construction and things like that. Because we know that men never try to lift stuff beyond their abilities and end up hurting their backs and going on worker's comp which costs the company money. Right? Yeah and a lot of these kinds of guys are the ones who go on and on about hard work and paying your…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:57 PM
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Just like how feminism doesn't care about what's good for men. Not that the red pill is a good comparison here; there is an actual men's rights movement, but that's beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:49 PM
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Feminists want men to be liberated from gender roles too According to actual men's rights advocates, many of whom support abolishing traditional gender roles, this is patently false.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:46 PM
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Feminists want to liberate men from the gender roles too. You and I both know this isn't true. First wave feminism might have looked something like that, but modern feminism is very much about pushing the notion of female superiority and things like that. There is a men's rights movement but for the most part they're very much anti-feminist because many people feel that feminism is directly responsibe for the discrimination and misandry that many men face today.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:43 PM
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In fairness most of these drugs do have other uses. One big one is for headaches and migraines, which is something that a lot of women suffer from.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:37 PM
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Even when it comes to being a housewife, the actual example that OP gave, this is still true. Women still want the option to not have to work and to be a housewife. And they still generally expect to be able to spend a man's money and have a man "provide" for them. They just also want the option to be able to work when / if it's convenient for them. Many women on PPD are openly bitter towards men because a lot of men won't let a woman stay at home and be a housewife anymore. A very large number …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:30 PM
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Men are treated like literal slaves by women. Maybe during the 1950s things were different, but per the above link, there's really no evidence of that, either. Likely the only thing that's happened is women have gotten more bossy / naggy over the years. I doubt it was ever the opposite way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure universities and colleges positively discriminate in favour of male students to, though I've seen no proof of this. God no, this can't be further from the truth. Women make up something like 70% of university students and 100% of all affirmative action and gender based scholarships to get into college. Men should be the ones getting affirmative action here but instead women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:16 PM
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They put limits on how heavy your garbage can be so that women can lift it. And a lot of men do like these jobs. It's really only women who look down on people like this. Most men understand the these kinds of jobs need to be done, and give those workers the respect they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:14 PM
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Definitely a minority though. And then you run into this kind of crap: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/d5w8mu/comment/f0oig3t
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:10 PM
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A friend of mine had a date where the woman "insisted" to pay her half of the dinner. He then "insisted" to pay, and then they both played this game of who's going to pay. Well eventully his date paid for her half. Afterwards though she texted him, angry, in all caps, the he wasn't good enough for her because he let her pay her half of the dinner. Even after he insisted that he wanted to pay, and even though she was the one who argued with him to let her pay. It's shit like this that men have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:07 PM
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Sounds like you need to clean your house a little better lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 08:28 PM
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And here I was expecting to find some humble bragging. "My only flaw is that I'm too honest" Or, "My only flaw is that I'm so pretty people hate me for it" But nope, you just went strait to bragging ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 08:18 PM
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Since when are incels red pilled by default? I thought most were "nice guys" and therefore blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 07:52 PM
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If you're only having sex and both people want to have sex then I don't see what the big deal is. It's women who take advantage of men, usually for their money, time, and labor. Just because a younger women is less able to use sex to take advantage of a man, does not make the man "predatory". It just makes younger woman less predatory than older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 07:49 PM
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In a sense it is true that humans "haven't evolved" to consume the type, magnitude, and form of sugars that are found in many of our foods. As logical as it might sound at first glance, being chemically the same does not mean that the body processes it in the same way. Natural sugars are usually surrounded by fiber, which slows down how readily they are absorbed. I'm sure you can show this pretty conclusively by measuring glucose spikes between different foods, and whether the sugars in those fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 07:24 PM
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I know you and Aaren are discussing this already, but the short answer is that it's the amount, and form, of the sugars that are the problem. Added sugars in particular tend to be more readily absorbed and lead to higher glucose spikes, even in comparison to natural foods that have high levels of sugars (the reason here being that they're usually surrounded by fiber, so even if they are chemically the same, they end up being digested differently).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 06:40 PM
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They used to have a sub and actually just complained about men never wanting to commit. Like they clearly still wanted a man, they just couldn't get or keep one, and were angry about it. Most men mgotws seem to have a rather different attitude about it. Like basically that it's not worth it, especially to get married, because of underlying problems with society (and the law) that need to be addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:42 PM
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It's easier to complain about something than it is to fix it yourself...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:34 PM
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I have a theory that even in women who can orgasm without it, it's still the indirect simulation of the clitoris through vaginal sex that does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:30 PM
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Put it in and rub her clit. Works 99% of the time. Maybe the actual technique of simulating her clitoris could be confusing (I've heard a lot of guys are too vigorous with it). But at that point, just have the girl show you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:28 PM
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I've never had a problem finding women who can orgasm. And I can tell so I don't want to hear that BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:20 PM
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Apparently the science is pretty conclusive at this point that it is people's diets, and not their (lack of) exercise, that is causing them to be overweight. In particular, simple sugars are pretty bad for you, and not just because they make you fat. They also lead to several kinds of cancers, cardiovascular problems, and are apparently worse than the effects of smoking cigarettes in terms of healthcare costs and number of deaths per years. Not saying that exercise doesn't help, but the amount o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:08 PM
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I actually think a lot of our traditional gender roles started breaking down not because of any kind of social movement (like feminism) but because housewives became obsolete. All of our modern appliances from vacuum cleaners, dishwashers, clotheswashers, hot water heaters, plumbing, ovens, toasters, microwaves, etc, essentially made it possibly to perform all of the typical tasks of a housewife in a couple of hours or less after work. SAHWs have a lot of free time on their hands and actually co…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 04:43 PM
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It takes a half hour a week. When I didn’t have time, I’d pay a kid $10 to do it. So you live in a third world country. Why is that relevant to any of this? It would cost me at least $75 just for the front yard, and yes it would probably take about half an hour to do. But that's only mowing, not weed eating and raking and everything else (which would probably bump it to $100, and again, still just for the front yard). Do you know what it costs for someone to do a load of laundry? Around $4 for c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 04:29 PM
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Also, you are happy to acknowledge that women "simply need a vagina and to be pretty".. yes, and what does this tell you exactly about the men's values, priorities, strength of character, etc? Doesn't that say quite a lot about men that this is where their sense of value is when it comes to women? Your argument could easily be interpreted as saying much more about men than women:Men value - vagina, prettiness > so women work on looks.Women value - personality, character, humor, etc > so men work…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 04:15 PM
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Oh gosh I really hope you aren't implying that generally men overwhelmingly have these qualities in higher quantities than women. When it comes to the dating market, I think this is obviously true. Men have to present value to women. Money, humor, personality, work ethic, those sorts of things. Women simply need a vagina and to be pretty, and these are the things that women tend to work on in lieu of most of the qualities that men tend to work on. The experience most females live from ages rough…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 07:39 PM
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Most women are dating men who can not support them financially And yet they spend his money and treat him like a slave, bossing him around (aka nagging) to do all the difficult chores that she is either incapable of doing, or too lazy to do herself. Women do all the domestic chores in the house despite working full time Men spend more total time supporting their families than women do, a fact that I already cited in the OP. The work that men do is also much more difficult than the work that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 07:24 PM
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That doesn’t say that women are spending their husbands money mostly on just themselves. No it just means that women are gaming the system to the tune of hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars per year. I'm sure all the divorced men out there who are writing checks to their ex-wives are willing consenters and enjoy writing those checks equally as much as their ex-wives enjoy cashing them in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 07:12 PM
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White men (and I guess maybe a few women) with short haircuts. "Ethnic" hair can easily take that long to style, but usually you can style it once and go a few days before you have to style it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:22 PM
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I wouldn't say anything like that. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think about men, we're not all robots with the same opinions about everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:17 PM
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The problem is when you start trying to use sex to get something extra out of someone besides sex in return. Men aren't walking around using sex to get money and resources out of women. It is almost universally the other way around. The only game that men play is to try and reduce the extent that they get taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:09 PM
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I'm saying woman suffer through more There's plenty of data that questions this, starting with the fact that men commit suicide at something like 8 times the rate as women. Women may have gotten the short straw when it comes to biology, but they more than make up for it at a societal level with extra rights and privileges that men don't have. manage to be as or more productive There are probably fewer female scientists and inventors and things like that because many of the women who could have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:41 PM
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I guess you missed the fact that women are on track to control two thirds of all assets in the United States, and already control more than half. Not directly relevant to what we're talking about, since this is related to things like biased divorce laws, and especially as they apply to wealthy men who mary and divorce several times over their lives, but it is clearly more than just "who swipes the card". Most consumer spending, whether by a man or a woman, is on goods and services that women wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:14 PM
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Some of these laws need rewritten. 50/50 custody with no child support should be the legal default, and it should be difficult for one party to change this (let's be honest, it would be women who would seek to gain custody / child support, so they're the ones who would be targeted by the law, even if it would be written to be gender neutral).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:00 PM
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I just like to think about things. I'm happily married and at this point wouldn't trade it for anything. But that doesn't mean that I don't ever think about anything. Hell, once you reach a certain age, it's almost impossible not to. You'll understand when you get older. Or not ;). Maybe if you're a woman and enjoy all the rights and privileges that come with being a woman, you'll never question it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:50 PM
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So you support removing all the laws about child support, alimony, and division of assets?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:44 PM
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again, not "the most important thing" Literally "the most important thing for most women". At a certain point I'm going to start questioning your reading comprehension and your ability to understand basic concepts. Or can we move past this now since what we have are studies that say pretty much exactly what everyone would assume to be true anyway? Not to mention that it's a pretty moot point that wouldn't have gotten you anywhere if it were true anyway (IIRC I had three points, out of which you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:41 PM
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Women now consist of more college graduates and in most indicators of success like homeownership women are pulling ahead. This is not only happening in the west but in a lot of developing countries. This is because women are incredibly privileged and men are discriminated against in almost every aspect of life. And if you don't think women take advantage of this, on average, as a gender, how do you explain women owning nearly two thirds of all wealth despite only earning something like 79 cents …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:33 PM
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Please provide a source that says this. Mostly personal anecdote but you see it a lot. The way I see it, most married couples have joint finances are not keeping tabs on exactly whose money gets spent on what. Which is very convenient for women who on average spend more money, on themselves, than men do. There's a reason most consumer spending is for things that women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:26 PM
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Why is the man at fault here though? I could easily claim that women need to suck it up and stop bothering people with problems that they ought to be fixing themselves, but here we all. Like always the man is wrong and the woman is right. And we're not honest enough as a society to label that as "toxic femininity".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:23 PM
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Same here. That's why I don't really mind that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:21 PM
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You have a point that men help enable this behavior. But it's also true that the gullible victim of a phone scam also helped enable the scammer by answering the phone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:20 PM
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More like something like this: https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/72632931/ Women want rich men. Men want beautiful women. And these stereotypes hold true for rich and poor, young and old, high school dropouts and university graduates, and even those who think they're hot and those who think they're not, according to new research published in the peer-reviewed academic journal Personality and Individual Differences. Wealthier women do care more, just like attractive men care more about at…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:16 PM
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There are some women who are a little more progressive here. Even a lot of women who care about gender equality (and actual gender equality, not the BS that feminists came up with) still end to taking advantage of men, even if they don't realize it. And honestly I don't really blame them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:02 PM
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Women who out-earn their husbands still tend to spend most of their husband's money. It's very rare that a man spends his wife's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:48 PM
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"What's the most important thing you look for in a man"? How much money he has. Pretty much that's what it boils down to. The rest is semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:45 PM
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Men complain quietly and hopelessly to themselves. Women complain loudly, and usually to great effect, to anybody and everybody who will listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:43 PM
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This could be because women who can't support themselves (and are likely less healthy) are more likely to want to get married. I mean do you not think women use sex to get things besides sex out of men? At the very least a free meal or a free drink is usually involved. Like you can't deny this completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:42 PM
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I think things work out in real life. Like I'm not against giving more than I get back, like it has to be 100% fair all the time. Nor do I think that you can even really measure everything inside of a relationship like that. But I do disagree with some of the arguments and rhetoric and things like that around this topic (like a man who has sex, and nothing more, is "taking advantage of a woman"). Men and male labor and male contributions to families are often ignored and not respected the way we…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:36 PM
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She actually doesn't do any gardening or anything like that outside. I didn't list it because that is something that a lot of women do though. It's a fun, relaxing, creative activity, so lots of women like to do it. Unlike all the dull grunt work that men are usually forced to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:30 PM
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questionable necessity This is a whole other topic and might come down to men and women having different priorities. I've often made the argument that a lot of the things women do and complain about, aren't necessary. I guess the difference is, men often don't complain about things the way women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:26 PM
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and i think women are interested in more than just mooching men for their resources What else do you think they care about? I did actually list other things besides resources -- companionship, a sense of humor, etc -- but I'm curious what all you think is included here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:23 PM
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It was a study that was reported on MarketWatch and then posted here a couple years ago. There's plenty of stuff out there saying that women care more about money and that men care more about looks though. Like it's not even all the surprising of a finding.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:21 PM
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What are your chores that women would be so reluctant to do? Just off the top of my head, garbage, litter, home maintenance, mowing, edging, cleaning the outside of the house, trimming the bushes, cleaning / staining the porch / patio, killing hornets and wasps... Like idk I don't really pay attention to everything, but I do think most of what I do is harder, and often more time consuming, than cooking and cleaning. Not that I don't also cook and clean as well. And...okay? Your friend and his wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:15 PM
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Women still spend most of your money even when they make more than you. I still think men and women can get along and have healthy relationships though. I just think we need to be a little more honest about this is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:02 PM
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I've actually offered to swap chores at home with my wife. She's never taken me up on my offer and I doubt very many women would. Obviously men can't give birth, but clearly a lot of women think it's worth the trouble in order to get child support and welfare, or at least to stay at home and not work. A friend of mine just got divorced a couple years ago because his wife literally told him, with no ambiguity, that she wanted to quit her job, get pregnant, and stay as home raising the kids. He di…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:01 PM
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your stats are pulled from a feel good fluff piece about fathers day The data is in the article and it clearly shows that men spend more overall time supporting their families than women do. I would also argue that the work that men do is more difficult in general, not just more time consuming, but that's an argument that really doesn't need to be made in order to support my point. half the shit women do to be sexually attractive What you're referring to is self care and women do this because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:56 PM
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There's actually research from Britain showing that in LTRs, women desire sex more frequently than men do. The fact that women start out in a relationship barely having sex with you at all, but then get kinky and demanding about sex later, just shows how dishonest they are about their desires. The name of the game is artificial scarcity so that they can extract additional resources from you. They want to have sex. They just also want to milk you for everything you have in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:43 PM
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Why do one-third of wives earn more money than their husbands? In addition to what /u/NalkaNalka said, there is a big difference in the magnitude of earnings between female "breadwinners" (as a statistical distinction) and male breadwinners. Very few women -- far less than one third -- out-earn their husbands by a very large amount of money. Not in the way that men often do in reverse. Women who out-earn their husbands also still tend to spend most of their husband's money. A majority of all spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:39 PM
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Apparently in Japan those types of jobs are respected and pay well. A lot of the people who work those jobs are also educated and more "cultured".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:22 PM
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True, but these dudes did not intend to have relationships, that's my message. I don't think that's true at all. They just haven't found the right woman yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 08:00 PM
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Subsidized daycares would go a long way for both mothers and fathers. I think it's a flaw (and really pretty sexist) to only look at this from the standpoint of mothers. I mean raising a kid isn't that hard. It's just expensive. And by that logic, what we need are more women working, especially the difficult, longer hours that men typically work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 07:31 PM
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Or our future is just going to naturally look something like that, and there's not a whole lot we can do about it. I don't think anyone thinks that killing poor people would solve anything. Especially since a lot of the poor perform jobs that are basically the foundation of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 07:19 PM
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You do know science has nothing to do with atheism and religion, right? This is your second comment where you tried to make that association so I figured I had to point that out to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 06:35 PM
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The biggest movements AFAIK are father's rights organizations. There are a few non profits and civil rights organizations around that. Men's rights as a concept certainly exists, and maybe there are organizations out there for that, but I don't really know a whole lot about any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 06:20 PM
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Maybe it's because we, as a society, have become overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 03:27 PM
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Of course there's give and take. But you'd be surprised how many serious issues there are that effect men. See here just for a few examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main The fact that we don't recognize any of this, or work to fix it, is in fact just another reason why women have things easier. We fix things when they effect women. But we ignore them when they effect men. Hell, we laugh about it, and even call people misogynistic for bringing it up. That's the biggest difference that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 03:23 PM
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Having things easier does not mean that things are easy. Life is hard for a lot of people. It just so happens that it's usually harder for men than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 03:19 PM
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I guess you don't know about rape and domestic violence statistics that paint quite a different picture. Here are a couple sources for you to peruse at your leisure: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/ http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf Female perpetrators reportedly bit, slapped, and hit male victims. In some cases female college students got on top of arouse…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 03:13 PM
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And are tricked into sex by these guys How so? They wanted to have sex. And they found someone who wanted to have sex with them in exchange. Now maybe they wanted something extra -- a free meal, some money, male labor, or a "relationship". And indeed maybe they tried to use sex in order to trick a man into giving that to them. But the fact that they didn't get it just means that they failed to take advantage of a man, not that they themselves were taken advantage. Just because your scam to use s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 01:58 PM
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If the majority are idiots the politicians will pander for their votes. See: The 2016 United States presidential election as one good example. In actual seriousness, regardless if you think Trump is stupid or not, he did pander to less intelligent people in the election. He used easier words, easier grammatical structure, less intelligent talking points, etc, and it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 01:41 PM
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Intelligence is strongly genetic. Environmental factors (like a lack of nutrition) can lower intelligence, but your "potential" is largely genetic. That's not an argument for eugenics, it's just basically the point of this thread (and the movie we're talking about). Adopt those kids if you want though. I mean they deserve love and an opportunity just like anyone else does. That's just kind of beside the point of what we're talking about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 12:55 PM
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It's still easier work than what men did at the time. It certainly had it's drawbacks, like a lack of independence, but it was a much better alternative to having to support yourself (granted I don't know if you can claim men were independent since they were beholden unto their wives). The fact that we can't be honest about this as a society is pretty telling IMO. Male labor is simply not recognized or appreciated the way female labor is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:43 AM
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Feminist lobbies have an incredible amount of power in the western world today. In fact, in the US, the feminist lobbies power is second only to the military industrial complex (which is an institution that by definition considers men as being 100% disposable). In other countries (e.g. Canada) there is literally not a single political lobby that is as powerful as the feminist lobby. I'm curious if you have any literature or sources about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:39 AM
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If you're interested, there is a lot of information here about this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main Feminism has shaped popular opinion over the last few decades to the point that suggesting that men deserve to have equal rights is often seen as "sexist" / misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:29 AM
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And who do you think is giving birth to the kids that you're adopting / fostering? Unless you're adopting Asian kids from out of the country, you're probably adopting kids born to less intelligent, trashy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:23 AM
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And yet you think it's "popular" to agree with science? People honestly hate having to learn, they hate not being able to understand things, so they revolt against the concept and make it "cool" to be dumb or go against what the "elitist" scientists / teachers tell them. That's what's actually happening in reality. And those people are the ones who won't think for themselves or go against the grain. Even if you're not smart enough to understand or appreciate something, you can still be humble en…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:21 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but it is absolutely not true that higher IQ people are less likely to think for themselves or go against the grain. Those qualities are actually pretty good predictors of intelligence, and what sets apart some of the greatest thinkers of all time. Also dumber people disagree with science (and learning in general) in large part because it is actually cool / popular to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 10:57 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAI61z4eV4
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 08:46 PM
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I mean it wasn't just biological. It included things like forced relocation, the reservations we put them on, forced assimilation -- language, culture, education, religion, etc, and of course outright slaughter (often when they wouldn't comply with any of the above).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 08:43 PM
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I mean the analogy itself isn't important. It's just illustrating a point. You left out widespread genocide from your little summary though ;). People have a tendency to whitewash a lot of that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 08:05 PM
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Idk honestly. I think there are a lot of issues. Like you alluded to the issue of custody, and implied that a lot of men still wouldn't take custody if they were treated fairly. And I think this might be true, at least to an extent, and especially for younger men (older men are pretty good about wanting custody). But I also think part of the problem is that modern society puts too much on the shoulders of men. So many may just not think that they can take care of a kid (by the same token, I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 07:41 PM
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Wouldn't you agree that women are by and large overwhelmingly the primary caregivers of children? Only because of sexist social institutions that discriminate against men. Besides, if we were to simply talk about what was fair, or right, or ethical, this entire point becomes moot. The only reason it's relevant is as an explanation for why these tendencies exist. We have similar discussions about obesity end addiction and things like that. Nobody says that we should all do drugs and consume sugar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 07:19 PM
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Dumpster babies are just one aspect of this. I mean there are videos on social media going around of women giving up their children in order to go for a ride in a lamborghini. I actually think men are much more likely to be selfless and give to their children than women are. Many of these assumptions that you're making are simply not true in the modem world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 06:32 PM
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If guys didn't fall for it, women wouldn't have as many resources available to them for their own lives. Don't act like women are selfless and only think about their kids. Especially when prom / dumpster babies are still a thing (there's literally a woman going to prison for this right now). Children are often used as weapons, by women, against men, and it has nothing to do with their future. It's all about making sure mommy is happy, even if it means that her children will suffer because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 05:54 PM
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You can trace all female selfish behavior to benefits for children, though. What's interesting to me is that you won't say the same thing about men. My only point though is that we don't live in caves and jungles anymore. What's optimal for society is not necessarily what used to be optimal back when these things were ingrained in our biology. It is not true in the modern world that women do things primarily to benefit children. And the consequence of this is the world we see in front of us: one…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 05:48 PM
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Even from an evolutionary standpoint it is also to gain resources to help themselves, in part because they can't support themselves in nature without help from men. Of course by living longer and better lives, it gives them more total years to reproduce, so ultimately it does comes back to reproduction. The same thing is also true on the male side as well though. It is also technically true that everything men do is to help their children, including things like being providers for women, or even…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 04:55 PM
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The only reason the British took land from the Native Americans is because they were stupid and didn't understand land ownership or the value of European goods. Just because you wield power doesn't mean you have to be abusive and evil with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 04:38 PM
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It's just that biology and the way society developed tends to favor women over men. Obviously there is a certain amount of give and take on both sides, but don't count out the privilege that comes with having someone literally take care of and provide everything for you. Like yeah it sucks to have to give birth, but at least you're not stuck working 16 hour shifts at the local lumber mill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 04:24 PM
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Sounds interesting. I might have to read it at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 04:21 PM
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most [women] don't even perceive their behavior as selfish they are just taking advantage of what nature gives to them. This thread is a good example of that. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/d354gt/as_a_woman_whats_your_opinion_on_softbois/ I pointed out how it's really the man who gets taken advantage of, and that women simply get upset when men find ways to not be taken advantage of. Like the conversion is so far jaded in favor of women, and in favor of women using men for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 04:15 PM
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I was wearing one of those clocks she describe You mean like a Seiko? What are you talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 04:03 PM
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In the modem world what helps children does conveniently tend to help women, and a lot of women hide behind this excuse to further their own goals. A lot of this evolutionary stuff isn't relevant anymore, but I guess we can't exactly snap our fingers and remove this from our biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 03:59 PM
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there is no grand Luminati conspiracy from the entire female gender acting as reptilian parasites as Esther Vilar Claims The idea is that it's either biological or the result of longstanding social norms. Ie, it might not have been something calculated that women set out to do on purpose, but it does happen to benefit them at the expense of men. Granted I've never read the book so I don't know if maybe she was implying there was some sort of conspiracy, but I don't think you need one for some ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 03:56 PM
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There's a certain amount of entitlement from women who expect to get a relationship from someone in exchange for having sex with them. Essentially it looks like prostitution -- they want something in addition besides sex in exchange for having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 03:44 PM
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They would probably be in a relationship if it was with the right woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 02:20 PM
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Some people call that pump and dump. I'm not sure if it's a red pill thing or where it comes from, but I guess a lot of guys do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 02:18 PM
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Did you not read my post? It's just a reaction to women using sex to exploit and take advantage of men. They trick you into thinking that they'll let you take advantage of them, but then they don't. They offer a fair exchange, they get a fair exchange, and they protect themselves from being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:59 PM
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I know a guy like this...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:57 PM
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If you want commitment, you need the right qualities for someone to want to commit to you. Using sex to get commitment is just dishonest IMO. All you're doing is using people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:32 PM
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Isn't the woman the one who's being dishonest though? The man is exchanging sex, for sex. The woman on the other hand is trying to use sex in order to get something extra out of the man. And then she gets mad and acts entitled when men rightly don't want to play this game. If you want commitment, you have to give commitment in exchange. And you need the right qualities for someone to want to commit to you. And no, having a vagina and having sex with someone, is not one of those qualities that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:30 PM
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It used to be called pump and dump lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:25 PM
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Why is it that women feel entitled to commitment just because they're having sex with someone? Can't you just have sex in exchange for sex, and not something else? Don't you realize that all you're doing is using people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:24 PM
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Women just want the attention, the wedding, the honeymoon, and the status. Not to mention the free money and free labor that comes from having a slave a husband. Actual research shows that younger women are more likely to be fickle and initiate divorces than older women are. If you're a guy, you're better off marrying an older woman than a younger one. If you're a woman though, it doesn't much matter what age the guy is (except that older men usually have more money, which let's be honest, is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 01:12 PM
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More common than you'd think though. Maybe they just all get married or committed in LTRs, leaving all the prude girls single in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 12:58 PM
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Considering there are actual laws that are overtly sexist and discriminatory against men, I don't see how it's that hard to believe. After all, who do you think put those laws on the books? Obama, if I remember correctly, ran on a platform of feminism and pay equality. He carried a huge majority of the female vote, which like I said makes up 56% of the electorate. A fun side note is that in 2009, Obama commissioned what was (and still might be) one of the largest studies on the pay gap. It found…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 12:44 AM
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I originally saw it here but I think this is a better source. There is another study that quotes it at 51% (and growing) but even using 51% puts my guestimate somewhere around $2 trillion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 12:05 AM
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You mean significantly more stable with longer lasting relationships and less domestic violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 11:37 PM
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It seems to me that, for women, this means 3 to 5 years older though. I don't think there's an equal distribution towards guys 3 to 5 years younger as there is to older guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 10:39 PM
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Why three years older? Why not your same age, or 3 years younger? We keep having this debate about whether or not a large number of women go for older guys, like 10 years+ older, and the counter is an argument that women only like guys their own age. My experience though from like middle school to today has always been that women preferred older guys. The middleschool girls wanted high school boys. The highschool girls wanted college boys. And so on. I remember being jealous of older guys and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 10:22 PM
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I've noticed something similar but I've always pinned it on jealousy. You see the same kind of thing targeting blonds and beautiful women in general, usually from less attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 09:17 PM
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I still don’t think there’s some sort of collective intent here for these older women to try to get these young women out of the way so they don’t have to compete with them for men It could just be jealousy. They might not think it will help them out personally, but they're still jealous towards younger women dating men who they think should belong to them / their dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 09:11 PM
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Hell, Elon Musk did just because the girl he's dating looked young. IIRC she's around 30 but looks like a 16 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 09:08 PM
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The amount of money men have to spend on consequences of feminist laws (essentially, a reparation men pay to women who hate them) is in the realm of hundreds of billions in the US alone. I was thinking about this, and while this is a pretty terrible way to calculate this number, it might give us an idea of what the ballpark is. So, just for the US, GDP is $19.39 trillion. Women own 60% of that, or $11.63 trillion. Women only generate 79 cents on the dollar though, so they only produced 0.79 / 2 …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:59 PM
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I have close to 20 plates at home, maybe 50 or 60 if you include paper plates. I mean what woman wants to eat food out of her lap or strait off a table?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:18 PM
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Maybe your age + 1/2 your age - 7. So 1.5 times age - 7. Puts you at 56. And in general puts your upper limit the same number away from your lower limit (so 42 +/- 14 in your case). Edit: I guess another way to look at it is your age divided by 2 minus 7. Then +/- your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:08 PM
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I don't know that there is any data here. But I've literally never seen anything like this happen to guy friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 06:32 PM
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I will say this. Divorce rates are directly correlated with the age at which the woman gets married, but not the man. It starts dropping off in their late 20s and early 30s. This could be due to women being less mature at that age, but there is a long-standing theory (since like the 1990s) that when women are still attractive, they are more likely to get divorced and try to find someone better. Once their looks start declining, they end up settling for whoever they have at the time, and therefor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 06:08 PM
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I'm actually curious what about this you find so incredulous, especially after the points that /u/abaxeron brought up in response to your post (which you responded to with just a smiley face). I'll take a step back on the rhetoric and listen to what you have to say here, because I'm honestly kind of curious where it is you're coming from, what life experiences you might have that challenge this, and what kind of common ground we can find on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 05:32 PM
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If you want references, I have references. I hope that the Federal Reserve System of the United States of America is a good enough reference for you though, seeing how you're not very fond of peer reviewed research published by major universities in academic journals...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 05:07 PM
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Women make up 56% of the electorate and control huge lobbying groups under the guise of feminism. Not to mention the fact that women are on average much wealthier then men and therefore have more money to throw at political campaigns and lobbying efforts than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 04:57 PM
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Plenty of men talk about things like double standards and "political correctness" (usually referring to feminists). Regular men with careers and families do this. Often it's spoken in jest, and as a form of "disapproval" (like how you talk about a child, if that makes sense), but a lot of men are aware of this to one degree or another. Donald Trump was likely elected in part from a growing sentiment (among both men and women) that feminism has gone too far at this point. As an abject misogynist …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 04:49 PM
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You do know women are the ones who control the political system in the United States and many other Western nations, right? Many of the marriage, divorce, and child custody laws that we have now were actually championed by stay at home moms back when women were less likely to work, and were afraid of being divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 04:38 PM
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Being patient is probably a big part of it. It's interesting because I've never really thought of it as a skill before. It's just something you expect most people to be able to do in a professional environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:59 PM
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If that's what emotional labor is then I'm actually pretty good at it. I don't work that kind of job because I actually have an education and a marketable skill set. But every now and then I have to handle outside calls that get escalated through the organization, and I've always considered calming these people down something of a forte of mine. "So I understand you're having a problem with XYZ. I do apologise for that but this is something that I can help you out with..." I guarantee I'm every …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:16 PM
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Emotional labor is putting up with the bullshit of being forced to sign thank you cards and then getting yelled out because you said that the thank you cards are pointless and that you have more important things to be doing. If you think they're important then that's fine, but the real problem is that you feel entitled to be able to force a man against his will to do the work for you, when you're the only one who actually cares about it. Women expect men to put in 50% of the effort for things th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:57 PM
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I've actually witnesses female friendships fall apart in the nastiest kinds of ways, including friends who were bffs since grade school. And I remember thinking at the time that guys would never do that kind of stuff. Now we might grow distant, move away, and eventually forget about each other. In that aspect, women might actually be better at keeping in touch and things like that. But guys don't argue, or get catty, or purposefully isolate each other, or spread gossip the way women do. We don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:32 PM
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This might be due to sexisism / misogyny, but it's common in society for guys like that to be called bitchy or gay or girly. It's almost like negative friendship qualities are inherently associated with women and (toxic) female behaviors. I actually have a friend kind of like this, and he argues and behaves like a woman to the point that other women point it out and shame him for "creating drama" and "being worse than a girl". I think I'm on the fence about the overall topic here, but it is inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:08 PM
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Look it's a document (not a "sidebar") literally full of references that are not editorials and that are more recent then 1998. And the second link is an investigational documentary put together by a journalist who is very well regarded in the industry. So you can take it or leave it at this point. I don't argue with climate change deniers, or anti-vaxers, or moon landing conspiracy theorists, or any kind of anti-science denialists, so I'm not going to argue with someone who simply buries their …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:00 AM
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Sure: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main See Section 3.3: Legal, governmental, or institutional policies and practices -- Discrimination in divorce/family courts More recent research actually shows this bias extending past family court and into civil and criminal court as well (the court bias against men is 6 times greater than it is even against minorites, a fact that should be referrenced in one of the other sections of that link I posted). CNN also ran a special about this (not sure if …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 10:40 PM
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Joint custody is the default. There are no custody laws that inherently favour women over men, so I have no idea what you're talking about. During the 2016 election there were something like 20 states that had ballot initiatives to make joint custody a legal default (but still nothing to fix child support). I don't know how many of those initiatives passed or how many states were left out, but it is absolutely not a legal default. Mothers tend to have more custody than men do because men don't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 10:18 PM
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That's not actually true, but to start with, men shouldn't even have to hire lawyers and pay court fees and fight for custody to begin with. It should be a legal default, along with no child support (presuming 50/50 custody). Anything less is blatantly sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 09:54 PM
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Wow what a nice, well thought out argument you have there. I'm glad you're a respectable person who can have an honest discussion with people you disagree with, and not one of those trolls who wastes people's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 09:21 PM
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It is not something I want at all— you’ve misread me entirely. I am deeply grateful that I am not forced by men and society to be the servile wife so many men demanded in the past The reality is that the invention of the vacuum cleaner, dishwasher, clotheswasher, hot water heater, plumbing, ovens, toasters, microwaves, and all of our other modern appliances made the housewife essentially obsolete. SAHWs have a lot of free time on their hands, and actually complain about being bored because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 08:54 PM
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stuff you think is completely worthless Except I didn't say this. You did. And you're pretending that other people do as well, which I think is dishonest. women [who don't work] are just lazy freeloaders Excuse me for feeling this way but men aren't going to bend over backwards in order for you to have an idyllic home life with your children and no responsibilites besides playing housewife as an adult. Having someone at home was important back before we had dishwashers and things like that, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:57 PM
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You're literally looking at an example of it right now. And the fact that it isn't widely recognized is itself part of the problem. Granted I think most men are aware if it, we just call it by other names, sometimes referring to it as a double standard, or as entitlement (basically the same thing as privilege), or we talk about the ball and chain. I guarantee like 99% of men IRL can discuss some of these topics at length.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:04 PM
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Women nowadays will actually travel pretty far to meet a guy, especially if the guy pays for it. On the flip side there are a lot of men willing to spend a lot of money on plane tickets and stuff just to get a girl there. Always begs the question of why they can't date locally but I guess the obvious answer is desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 05:51 PM
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Maybe so but it's rooted in deeper forms of sexism / misandry that are pervasive throughout society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 05:48 PM
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I remember back probably five years ago when feminists were trying to push the idea that the Internet was sexist against women. Which of course got shot down real fast, sometimes by studies that feminists themselves were funding. Like had any of them every been on the Internet? It's actually pretty hilarious that they ever thought that would stick. Like there are guys who pretend to be girls in video games just to get free gear and stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 05:40 PM
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They're always short flings, usually girls looking for sugar daddies. I've always been able to date substantially younger than myself, in part because I actually look younger than I am, but I don't think it's normal to see substantial age gaps like what some people try to imply.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 04:52 PM
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Men get less picky as they age though. Like I know I used to date primarily on attractiveness, but when I got older I started caring a lot more about (and no offence) how "crazy" she is. It became less about sex and more about having someone in my life as I got older. Granted my wife is still pretty attractive, and people confuse her for being a lot younger than me, but that wasn't something I was actually looking for when I found her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 04:46 PM
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That's good lol. I guess other people haven't noticed the same thing. I just know I recognize guys I used to know a lot more than girls. Like it's a much more dramatic change from what I've seen. Obviously it doesn't happen to everyone though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 04:39 PM
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There are a few studies that look at this from different angles. Some of them piggyback off single parent statistics (since single moms are more common than the reverse) but they do generally agree here. One aspect is that single fathers are more likely to work a full time job, and single mothers are more likely to be unemployed, so families raised by single fathers do better financially, which brings with it all the benefits of having a higher income (educational attainment, health outcomes, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 04:07 PM
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Right but I mean after college. Like when you get into your thirties or later. That trend is pretty common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 03:32 PM
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Age could also be a factor. Most married people are older so it could just be a coincidence of people dating in their own age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 03:31 PM
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Women change a lot as they get older. There are a lot of girls I knew in highschool or college that I met later in life and almost didn't even recognize (usually they got overweight and puffy looking). Men don't change as much, and even if they put on weight, it's usually just their stomach area. So their face, arms, body (minus the stomach) usually look the same. I definitely sympathize with women here but I'm glad you don't feel that bad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:33 PM
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Research shows that most people automatically side with women regardless of what the issue is. The effect is stronger for other women (it's called an in-group bias, and in practice looks a lot like sexism / bigotry), but men still tend to side with women as well, either because of biology, or because of social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:02 PM
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*Faux News, the original "fake news".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 01:53 PM
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Research actually shows that children do worse without a father than they do without a mother. Unfortunately our anti-male court biases often create more fatherless families than motherless ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 01:41 PM
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A friend of ours is divorced and has her son every other week. And he definitely takes after his mom, at least when we see him. I remember one time she was being passive / grumpy towards her boyfriend that she lives with, and then the kid was doing the same female bitchy type stuff to her. Well she went off on him but apparently she doesn't realize that he acts that way largely because of her and how she treats people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 01:35 PM
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In fairness there is a substantial difference in attractiveness between a 25 year old and a 30 year old woman (a lot of it just being fitness / weight). Now maybe 35 to 40 isn't as dramatic, but I could see late twenties, early thirties women complaining about this. It is something of a sore spot for a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 01:29 PM
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The problem is the other way around in my opinion. I grew up with a stay at home mom, and was often at home when we had days off from school, so I know what she did, especially in comparison to my father. I'm also married and as much as I hate to admit it, I do think women are better than men at some of these sorts of things. But I think it's dishonest, especially in modern times, to pretend that being a stay at home wife is not an insane privilege, and one that men rarely have the option for in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 12:07 PM
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The people benefiting here are clearly women. And really children if you think about it, though I wouldn't refer to that situation as a "double standard". It's really only a double standard because women have set everything up in their favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 12:32 AM
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most men can’t afford to support a stay at home wife The expensive part is the free rent, bills, food, and entertainment. Not the value of the minimum wage (and in many cases sub-minimum wage) labor that the SAHW would do. Many families actually pay for those services while both parents work... The problem is that most men don't like the idea of having a lazy freeloader laying around the house watching soap operas all the day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 12:08 AM
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Women aren't trying to con "Billy Beta", a guy they don't want to fuck, into a relationship to get free dinners while spending the next few months awkwardly trying to make excuses to have as little sex as possible. I mean some women do, and probably more than you want to admit to. They're trying to con an actually attractive guy into a relationship by pretending they're not slutty and by weeding out guys who are just fishing for hookups. In other words she expects something extra from the man in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:24 PM
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And that's worse than expecting the other person to shell out money and resources how, exactly? Sex is a mutually enjoyable activity and should be given up freely between two consenting adults who want to have sex with each other. Expecting anything besides sex, in exchange for sex, is plain reprehensible IMO. Nobody wants to be used but that's what ends up happening to 99% of men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:16 PM
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I contend that the reason you feel this way is because you are worried about what women think. Besides there being actual facts / data / research indicating that what I'm saying is true, I don't really feel this way. I'm happily married and more and more don't even think about women that much (except my wife of course). they just turn to their friends and do it. No, they expect (and got) men to jump on board. There are entire social movements and widespread gaslighting to this effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 08:54 PM
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Old men do get extra sympathy and respect that they never got when they were younger, so maybe it is something that levels out when you get older. But it is still true that across most of your life, people respect women more than they do men. Maybe it's strongest in your twenties and comes close to equal for seniors, but that disparity still exists for most (if not all) of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 08:49 PM
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I mean I'm in the boat of not really caring but it is an established fact at this point. The politics are past me. Caring about it is past me. But the facts are pretty strait forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 08:45 PM
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"I really like him so I'm going to make him wait." Maybe it's a form of sadism or something, like how young boys are often mean towards girls they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 08:42 PM
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On average there are far more men sacrificing themselves for their wives / girlfriends than the reverse. Now that might, in part, have to do with men being more capable than women in some of these areas, but it is something to think about. Like I doubt women get shamed nearly to the same extent that men do, and I feel like far more men would stay with their woman after that kind of situation than the reverse. Just another double standard is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 08:20 PM
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I mean I'm sure I wouldn't take it very seriously IRL. But I do have the social awareness to be critical of it in a more serious setting. Granted I didn't actually see the video so I'm just guessing how it was said. Maybe it was a joke, maybe it was a bit harsh, I don't really know. But the sentiment itself isn't really all that rare in society, which is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 08:09 PM
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I think your reading way to far into this, it's just a joke to top off a fluffy news piece. Maybe so, but it is still part of a wider social narrative that men simply aren't good enough anymore. The fact that we joke about it may be more of a reflection of this fact than anything else, but that doesn't really excuse it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:58 PM
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Ok thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:52 PM
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Women might have drawn the short straw when it comes to biology, but they more than make up for it when you start looking at the numerous social privileges that they enjoy. I would almost expect a man to help out a woman in that situation. But seeing how poorly men are treated and disrespected nowadays, I don't really blame him. That social contract is burned and broken as far as I'm concerned, and I feel like more and more men are going to start waking up to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:52 PM
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...and perhaps breaking up today!! You don't see how implying that he's literally not good enough for her is disparaging? You see this kind of thing a lot actually, and it's almost always in the context of a man not being good enough for a woman, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:31 PM
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Women might have drawn the short straw when it comes to biology, but they more than make up for it when you start looking at the numerous social privileges that they enjoy. I would almost expect a man to help out a woman in that situation, but seeing how poorly men are treated and disrespected nowadays, I don't really blame him. That social contract is burned and broken as far as I'm concerned, and I feel like more and more men are going to start waking up to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:26 PM
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Hey, I have a bridge in Alaska I want to sell you. I also have special vaccines you can purchase that don't cause autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:06 PM
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I would say most women don't view it that way period. Just your crazy feminist types and maybe women looking for attention / validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 06:58 PM
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Your first example is fictional and your second example doesn't really make any sense... Your entire post also lacks any kind of cohesive point to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 06:51 PM
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How rare do you think rape or domestic violence is? How many male victims do you think there are in comparison to female victims? I know we're talking about sexual harassment, but we have near gender parity when it comes to the other two issues. In some cases women are statically worse than what men are, so any discrepancy in sexual harassment numbers might just come down to how many men and women are people's bosses or superiors. I know I've felt uncomfortable at work and was even hit on by an …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 06:28 PM
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What's ironic is if they hadn't have made as big of a deal out of it, it would have actually looked better for women and female accomplishments. When you get ten times the recognition for something, your work ends up seeming ten times less valuable than what it actually is. Neil DeGrasse Tyson has talked about this before as a famous scientist who is a poc. He doesn't want to be known as "a black astrophysicist", he wants to be known as "an astrophysicist who just happens to be black". It is kin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 06:11 PM
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You don't think old women are respected and valued more than old men are? Research shows that as a gender, across age ranges, women are valued more than men are. We even have fancy, academic terms to describe this phenomenon. And while I'm not sure if there is any research looking specifically at the elderly, I doubt that trend changes once you reach that age. It certainly doesn't seem to in my personal experience. I actually just saw a movie last weekend where an elderly woman was used as a vic…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 05:43 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone can technically be boring. Like maybe to certain people you can seem boring, but I doubt anyone is so dull that they don't have things they're interested in or enjoy doing. Maybe people who binge watch Netflix and YouTube could be boring, but I don't know that I've ever met anyone where that was the only thing they ever did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 05:33 PM
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On the free market where prostitution is legal it's actually not worth all that much. A lot of men don't want to pay for sex because it's degrading to think that you're not valuable enough as a human being to get it. And then on the other side there are a lot of women who are interested in making easy money this way, so supply and demand tends to drive the value of sex into the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 05:25 PM
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You've gone off on a crazy tangent here. I'm talking about society and the way society treats men and women on this topic. Go back and look at parent's post and then the first thing I said to you afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:51 PM
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Men support men in the same way On occasion. Men also support women, and do so at a disproportionate rate. This has actually been studied academically and is not controversial. On the one hand you have the women are wonderful effect (where men are more likely to help women and see them more positively than they do other men), and on the other hand you have a much larger in-group bias among women than you do among men. Women side with other women because of their gender. Men, on the other hand, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:33 PM
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I never really paid attention but I'm not sure that's it's changed all that much in terms of red vs blue (though I think there are more purple pill posters). The general opinions of the sub have changed over time, but I think it's gone in both directions depending on what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:09 PM
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It's probably better than the rest of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 04:06 PM
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My wife has orbiters. They're all single men though, and guys I don't know very well. I don't think any of my married friends do that. Some of my single friends routinely get taken advantage of by women this way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:59 PM
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It's usually more than just that. I can't say I've ever been fuck zoned before (whatever that actually is) but most girls I've had "casual" relationships with weren't just strings of booty calls. Actually I think those relationships were pretty healthy. Less drama and things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:44 PM
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Who isn't "allowing" men to complain about dissatisfaction? Men complain to one another as often as women complain to one another. Bitching about relationships is like 60% of all social interactions, man or woman. Women give sympathy to other women, men give sympathy to other men, because they are the ones "on their side" of the "gender war". Everyone commiserates with their friends. Sure men complain about it, but there is an obvious difference in how male issues are treated in comparison to fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:39 PM
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You can argue that men only being seen for their money is equally degrading.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:30 PM
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I think there's a degree of intersectionality between the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:25 PM
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The cops didn't find any kind of gun on him. Maybe some people mistook him for having a gun, but that doesn't justify what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:19 PM
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It's funny because people are accusing me of leaving out the detail about the gun (he didn't actually have a gun, some people just thought he did), but there's actually some indications that the cop in this case wanted to murder someone to see what it felt like. He even had his gun engraved with the word "killer" or something like that (this just goes to show how much people actually read these articles completely through, instead of just finding something quick to nitpick about). Not saying the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:17 PM
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He wasn't wielding a weapon though. That's just what the police came up with in the aftermath of the shooting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:09 PM
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Women are the primary source of creep shaming and that's what the topic is about. Incidentally, women are also the primary source of slut shaming as well, but that doesn't stop people from getting onto men about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:08 PM
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You mean the part where he didn't have a gun? If you read my post, I pointed this out. I think it's an important detail that he was actual unarmed and was simply doing his job. The excuse that the police gave doesn't somehow make it ok in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:06 PM
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This is just why you're seeing these comments. I'm speculating that there might be reasons besides women being less likely to help, or more likely to need help (or less likely to be able to give help), but the reality is that it's probably a combination of all of the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:01 PM
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He didn't actually have a gun. That's just standard police rhetoric whenever something like this happens. People are skimming the article and not reading it all the way through.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:58 PM
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The gender aspect is likely a bigger factor than the racial aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:56 PM
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He was pointing his gun out of the window! Except he actually wasn't. He was completely unarmed and didn't have a gun on him. That's just the excuse that the police came up with after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:54 PM
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What he was doing was literally just his job. Cops have shot children because they thought they were brandishing guns. I don't think that's a very good excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:53 PM
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Except he didn't have a gun. They only thought he had a gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:50 PM
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I might have grabbed the wrong article but it was a woman staying at the hotel who called the police. The point isn't so much about women as it as is about men being discriminated against in this way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:31 PM
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Women are far more likely to ask for help than they are to give help. This might be because men simply ask less than women do, but it is a very real dynamic. Most women would ask for a ride instead of an uber because there's an assumption the ride will be given for free, whereas an uber costs money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:04 PM
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Is this what you've actually found in real life though? I value my female friends and they definitely add something (like a unique perspective) that my male friends don't, but it's really more of a yen / yang thing. In general I find a lot more loyalty / help / compassion from my male friends. Like I hate to point this out, but have you not noticed how most women talk about guy friends as being better than their female friends? Like most of their female friends are "fake" and "create drama" wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 02:00 PM
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He was unarmed and didn't break the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:35 PM
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There's research showing that it effects men and minorities far more often than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:34 PM
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Men can be just as sexist as women. I'm sure plenty of guys call other guys creeps just like women do (just like women call each other sluts), but it is something that you typically see across gender lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:33 PM
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It happens all the time. Do you not pay attention to the news? Police brutality and profiling against predominantly male victims is a huge issues, and has sparked numerous protests against the police over the last few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:31 PM
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That is a whole other problem with a lot of research behind it. Men who are abused by their wives / girlfriends are often arrested on the spot despite the fact that women seriously injure and hospitalize men more often than reverse (when you include nonphysical domestic abuse, the numbers start looking even worse, but we still assume men are more likely to be guilty).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:29 PM
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That's what the law is in most places but it's actually incredibly sexist and enables female perpetrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:24 PM
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Do men truly perceive sexual assault the same way women do? Research suggests that they don't. There are many studies where women report being more traumatized by sexual assault. Dude research literally shows that men are more likely to be traumatized and face emotional problems than women are. A lot of what you're saying actually falls under common myths and stereotypes that people have about male rape victims, like the myth that men can't be raped, because they must somehow enjoy it. As a resu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:21 PM
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The amount of "privilege" that women get might be related to some of those things, but we still respect and help out frail old ladies much more than we do old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 01:03 PM
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I've known people who really needed to take a break from dating for a while. They never do, but I'm sure it would do them a lot of good. Maybe OP can try heeding this advice. If you do, let us know how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 12:58 PM
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Being a responsible adult is boring. That's why we call it being grown up. The time to be wild and out of control is when you're a kid, not an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:44 PM
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Abortion can be banned. And it will be. Realistically I doubt it. I think the backlash we've seen the last couple years is just the last bits of fight that the anti-abortion people have. Like the zebra that wrangles around after the lion chomps down on it's neck. The next move will probably be more legalization, like more months before you can't do it, more accessibility for people who want them, things like that. Not making a political argument for or against it, just stating my observations of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:31 PM
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You're making this personal which is against the rules here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:20 PM
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How common is this really? And how many of those men didn't want the baby in the first place, but were unfairly forced against their will for a few years before giving up? I think any man who wants a kid and finds the right woman and has that discussion with her is going to stick with it. And if they don't, after having previously consented to having a child, then they should have to pay child support. I just honestly think that's going to be very rare -- it would probably be similar in magnitud…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:18 PM
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“almost in was it in not really?” I didn't quite follow that part. I really liked your story I'm just curious what that was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 06:13 PM
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Except that men don't, whereas women apparently do. There's a very apt and relevant racial analogy that applies here but I'm not sure that I can make it without breaking the board rules. Just safe to say that if we were talking about race, it would very obviously be racist. But since we're talking about discrimination against men, it goes over a lot of people's heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 06:06 PM
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even-keeled and temperate I do think this is better than being off the rails and emotional. Not that I think it's good for attracting women. It's only good if you want to be an upstanding, functional and well behaved adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:59 PM
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I've never been like this but my sample size is just me so I have no reason to assume that a lot of guys aren't like that. It really does seem stupid though. The only time I ever don't use a condom is after dating for a while and knowing that she was clean from STD and was on birth control. And even then I still pull out. And of course I ask. Like I honestly just think it's the polite thing to do, like asking to take your shoes off in someone's house lol. I guess that movie where all the stupid …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:45 PM
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Ok I see what you're saying. And if you really think about it, if men got sex, it would stand to reason they'd want more sex. Not just be content with what the currently have. I personally get more than enough from my wife. I might also be an outlier, but I guess you already agreed that equivalent outliers exist for women and resources. And if there are enough outliers, then I'm sure that could be one the drivers behind that statistic. Granted I've already made this "trade" to get here. One adva…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:31 PM
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Maybe, but it is something I've seen in real life, even with women I've dated in the past. Not necessarily to the extent of actively disparaging men / dads. But a lot of women who don't have much going for them tend to emphasis their status as a "good homemaker" or "would make a good mother". And honestly I can sympathize with that. As a man I might not have any inherent biological value the way women do, but I'm not interested in taking that away from women, either. Some women (and maybe just f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:15 PM
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At this point you're really just backing up research showing that women are more likely to be sexist or biased compared to men. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4h51st/are_women_more_likely_to_be_sexist_biased_than_men/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:09 PM
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If you say so. I'm not the only guy here who disagrees with you though. It's literally the exact same thing that minorites face on a day to day basis, and I've never seen a white guy say that minorites are upset about it because of an unconscious desire that they have to hang out with white people. In fact, if some asshole ever said something like that, he would be labeled a racist. Just like how I think women who act this way are sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:57 PM
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You might want a sarcasm tag then. It didn't read that way to me ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:49 PM
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I gave my reply. The only one I've seen so far though that backs up what you're saying is a bisexual man who prefers having female friends over male friends. Not to discredit his feelings or anything, but I don't think most strait men are walking around thinking, "if only women weren't so fearful, maybe I could get laid more often".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:48 PM
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Except this is not true, and the same could be said about the reverse; men are raped equally as often as women are. What you are displaying is nothing more then blatant sexism and bigotry. See: Female perpetrators reportedly bit, slapped, and hit male victims. In some cases female college students got on top of aroused men and forced the men to penetrate them. One male victim wrote, “Alcohol was involved. She undressed me, tried to arouse me by touching my genitals, oral sex, and trying to force…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:43 PM
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Women might fear this sort of thing but I do want to point out that men are actually raped at identical rates as women. Female perpetrators reportedly bit, slapped, and hit male victims. In some cases female college students got on top of aroused men and forced the men to penetrate them. One male victim wrote, “Alcohol was involved. She undressed me, tried to arouse me by touching my genitals, oral sex, and trying to force me inside of her” (Struckman-Johnson, Struckman-Johnson, & Anderson, 2003…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:36 PM
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This is exactly the type of sexism and bigotry that men usually talk about in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:21 PM
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men are mad we are cautious bc it makes it harder for them to have sex. This is your assumption. And since you keep throwing the word protection around, this is probably just projection on your part as well. I've seen no evidence that this is true, and you have failed to provide any.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:19 PM
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The percentage of middle easterners who are terrorists is vanishingly small. You're actually more likely to be shot by a police officer than you are to be killed by a terrorist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:16 PM
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Men only commit an extra 0.01% of violent crimes compared to women though. So if you're not also crossing the street for women, it doesn't make sense to cross the street for men, either. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cr7jsp/comment/ex2flbo And I'm not the first person to make this comparison. SJWs (and indeed a good number of feminists) make the exact same argument about racial discrimination all the time. And while I agree with them, I also think it applies to gender a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:13 PM
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As I explained to planejane not long ago, per year, the number of males who commit violent crime in the US is 0.02% of the male population, The women's rate is 0.01%. Yes, the difference is big between sexes. But not if you compare the rates with overall population, 0.01%. Women get away with crimes much more often than men do as well. For example, there are an almost equal number of female rapists as there are male rapists, but women only make up between 0.8% and 3% of the sex offenders registe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 03:33 PM
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It might depend on the context and how it's brought up. Women are factually less likely to be harmed than men in almost every context of modern society. And there is a flavor of misandry that you often see in society around this. Like if you cross the street because you see a man coming your way, I don't think you're being cautious; I think you're being sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 03:20 PM
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I'm honestly torn on the question of responsibility when it's an accident. Sure I believe men should have the right to opt out -- a so-called financial abortion, but it is still pretty shitty to the woman if she winds up stuck with a baby by accident. This is a big can of worms though and there are a lot of angles to look at here, including the obvious abuse from women who purposefully lie to the man about trying to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 03:06 PM
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Do you really think it's equivalent to sex? I know the two are often traded for each other. But I've always just seen it as a mild form of desperation from women who often don't want to / can't work as hard as a man can. Sex is just their bargaining chip into a better, easier life. I could be wrong here but I've always assumed something at least similar to this was going on. I mean it would even explain cases where women make more. If a woman is able to earn enough money in her own, she no longe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 02:52 PM
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To a lot of women this is actually a very important part of their self identity. Maybe they suck at athletics and dropped the ball career wise, but at least they can still be a loving, nurturing parent (if only those evil, nasty men would step up and share their money with her). The social attitude that "moms are better than dads" comes mainly from these types of people. Dad might be better than mom at pretty much every other aspect of life, so mom holds on desperately to the title of "better pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 02:30 PM
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a sub full of ultra conservative men I'm not sure how true that is. At least a couple male posters who I always assumed were conservative have come out as being fairly liberal here recently. Your argument is probably spot on for some of the tradcon types though. I'd like to see one of their responses to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 02:24 PM
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Women who are single even later in life also tend to out earn men. I think there are a couple of factors here (one being a biased school system that disenfranchises men) but it would be easy to support the idea that "women care more about money then men" just on those statistics alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 02:18 PM
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Are you saying that most cases of women out earning their husbands are temporary?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 02:11 PM
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You're acting like mom and dad are going to have vastly different opinions. And only because dad is reluctant to "admit" to something that really isn't even that big of a deal to "admit" to. I'm not going to read too far in to what you said or implied by that comment, but like the other commenter said, I really don't see why mom's opinion is going to be more important than dad's opinion. Especially where I feel like their opinions are going to be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 02:08 PM
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Maybe. My experience has always been women wanting open relationships more often, but I don't know if there are any actual tends here. The difference though is literally just the marriage papers though. Men break up with women just as readily and as often as the reverse, so long as they don't have to go through a divorce, fight for custody, and lose all their money and assets. Here's what actual scientific research has to say about it: Margaret Brinig and Douglas Allen...conducted a large study …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 08:50 PM
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And the thing is, your stats do not show that men do more housework than women, they show that they do less. The claim was about "more total overall work". Like you can't expect a guy putting in 60 hours of work to do an equal amount of housework as a woman working 20. You'd have to at least work a more difficult job to bring in more money so that the man could work an easier job and have more time / energy at home. decided that I probably just don't recognize the work he does because of "statis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 08:35 PM
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Please see my other two comments on the issue. I think the biggest thing to consider here is that outside of marriage, men and women break up with each other at the same rate: roughly 50 / 50. It's only after the legal papers are signed and the threat of divorce becomes real that it becomes 70 / 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 08:27 PM
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The topic was about "investment" in a relationship, and how it effects attractiveness (where women play hard to get, men always make the first move, that sort of thing). Apparently a sizeable number of women don't like it if the man isn't somehow more invested in the relationship then she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 08:20 PM
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I could see it if it was only just before bed, or right after you eat, or right when you wake up, but I'd still expect there be exceptions to it. If it's all evening long, every single evening, after work, then it seems a bit excessive. Granted she could have a crazy long and stressful workday or have some health problems or something like that. So there are exceptions. But if she seems fine and has energy and then she never breaks the "rule" for you, then I'd say there might be something wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 07:10 PM
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I'd give it more than a day, but I agree with your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 07:04 PM
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Doesn't the man generally give more than what he gets back though? We've had this discussion here and women actually admit that they expect their boyfriends to do more than what they do in return. I think most men can relate to this as well. I mean I don't think most men care that much (if anything it plays into how "manly" they are), but it's kind of like an unwritten fact of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:59 PM
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So you're mad that I quoted a study that quite literally says men, on average, do more work than women do? I'd have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure I conceded that you might very well do more than your boyfriend, it's just not what the norm is around the country. I'm really not seeing what the big deal is here except that you don't like being told that you're wrong. I mean it is a debate sub after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:45 PM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:40 PM
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Careful this kind of comment is against the rules here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:40 PM
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but the same study also shows that men are more likely to cheat in a marriage Research is pretty clear that this is not a major factor for women initiating more divorces. Child custody and other complications that men disproportionately face in comparison to women is the main reason. At least two major studies support this specific claim, and several other studies (like studies about suicide in men after divorce, and men staying in abusive relationships for fear of divorce) support this. Margare…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:22 PM
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Men are afraid to get divorced, not to get married. There is quite a bit of research here though if you want to look at it: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main See sections 3.3 "Discrimination in divorce/family courts". I'm aware of a couple other studies (including one showing that married men stay in abusive and unhappy marriages longer than women primarily because they are afraid of being divorced) but I don't really have the time to fish them out right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 06:06 PM
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But lots of dads... will admit Do you not think most parents talk to each other and make jokes about this kind of stuff? Like are you a parent yourself? Were / are you married? Because most married couples aren't going to behave that way. If you ask the mother this question she'll tell you one thing, and then the father will more than likely tell you something very similar, because they probably talk to each other about it. And if there is a difference in opinion, both will probably say as much.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:39 PM
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In me and my wife's experience it is usually the girl, but our sample size is like n=5 (between ours and some of our friend's kids). At first I thought you were going to have an actual study to back that up which would have been interesting to read, and now I'm kind of disappointed that no such study exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:33 PM
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There's quite a bit of research showing that it's a little more than just the woman being the one to "fill out the paperwork". That's actually not something that has ever been supported by any kind of research. It's just something that a few people came up with around here to justify the behavior. Actual studies of married men show that the idea of divorce plainly terrifies them in ways that married women never consider. That, and the fact that men who are recently divorced are more than twice a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 05:09 PM
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I actually had quite a few of my beliefs changed when I discovered the red pill / blue pill and started doing research about it. It provoked quite a bit of thought and research that actually quite dramatically changed some of my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 04:57 PM
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One major problem with trying to use "studies" in a conversation like this seems to be that, aside from very general statistics, it's pretty gosh darn difficult to devise research that achieves real objectivity about topics such as human attraction and sexuality. There are so many variables and those variables are not at all easy to quantify. That's the sort of thing you're supposed to discuss and back up with your own argument though. Just because some research might miss the mark, doesn't mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 04:47 PM
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I throw around studies all the time here. A lot of stuff people talk about can't really be quantified though. Actually I see people posting fewer studies than what I used to see in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 04:34 PM
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Technically twice, but point taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 01:12 AM
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This exact story is frighteningly common. See if you can find this CNN episode about it. They had several people on the program with almost identical stories. https://www.cnn.com/shows/this-is-life-with-lisa-ling
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 12:54 AM
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I'm sorry, but you are her are wrong about that. Even /u/poppy_blu has admitted as much in the past. I'm sure not every father out there goes through this "hellscape", but it is true that discrimination against men is widespread, and that mother's can and do abuse the system quite often. CNN even had a special about this not too long ago, and there are bills being presented in over 20 states right now to help fix this situation. 3. Discrimination in divorce/family courts Overview: It's hard to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 12:51 AM
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No you've reiterated several times that you don't think it matters because some percentage claimed it was consensual. The study I posted went out of its way to explain how this is a misconception though, and how many male rape victims will initially make that claim, only to suffer from emotional trauma afterwards. It does not somehow invalidate that female staff members were 9 times as likely to molest / rape / whatever young kids than male staff members. And sure, that doesn't apply to "all wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 12:25 AM
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This is from the study I posted, word for exact word (I only added the emphasis). That is what the source is. You can look at it yourself if you want. I mean, supposedly you already did, because you claimed that it said, "men were the perpetrators by a significant majority" (your words). Really, though, the study says, exactly, word for word, this: "women and men reported a nearly equal prevalence of nonconsensual sex in a 12-month period...most male victims reported female perpetrators...self-r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 11:50 PM
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I literally could not find any sources that suggested women sexually molested children at a rate even close to men, and I have been looking. It has been rising in recent years but even then most studies put women at less than 20% of offenders. I thought we were talking about rape in general, for which the data suggests there is gender parity with. I'm unaware of any studies that really look at this specially for children (and adjust the numbers based on reporting trends, where women tend to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 11:43 PM
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How? Please show me what I have said that communicates this. You are perpetuating a culture of denial that, ironically, the article I posted even talks about (see section 6 "Professionals & a culture of denial"). And again, Slate and Scientific American both have long articles about people being "slow" to accept this as true (and you're exactly the type of person they're talking about!). But for any single one of the claims you have attempted to make in this thread, I absolutely disagree - the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 10:56 PM
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Then Google it. That is exactly what I already did. You're the one who doesn't want to accept the actual facts for what they are. Firstly they almost all say men are still the perpetrators by a long shot. If by a "long shot" you mean 10% to 2%, then sure. And you get that men have actually become better behaved due to feminism, right? To account for the almost definite lowering of male rates. Have you tried convincing men Attila and his forces the Hun didn't rape and pillage? The Vikings? We're …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 10:24 PM
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I'm actually fucking cracking up at this point. No you're incredulous and bigoted against men and male rape victims. Ironicaly, the study I posted has an entire section dedicated to this phenomenon. Many people simply do not want to accept that it's a thing, despite the data clearly showing that it is. Slate (which pulled from older CDC data) and Scientific American both have long articles about this phenomenon. This isn't about pedophilia at all. You cherry-pick articles and come up with wild a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 09:54 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if, over the last century, men were more likely to be perpetrators. But with women being more and more likely to be in positions of power, and data from the BJS indicating that women are more likely to abuse these positions of power, the rate today is likely much different than what it was back in 1965. Also keep in mind that female rapists are less likely to be reported, and more likely to get away with their crime. In most states, women cannot even be legally prosected …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 09:05 PM
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Oh come now that's a pretty weak defense and I think you know that. You cannot extrapolate that data set to all women everywhere and the way you worded it most definitely implied you meant to. No other data that I'm aware of shows anything different, and both data points have a similar order of magnitude, which I don't think is a coincidence. If women are 9 times more likely to molest a child in one context, and 8 times more likely in another context, then I think it should at least raise some e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 08:17 PM
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You need to recognize the sample is incredibly specific I mean yeah that's why I had two data points and two different contexts for that data. Both data points are fairly specific, neither apply to "all women", but both show the same trend. I mean the way I worded it should have made this fairly obvious (I made a general statement, and then provided two specific data points to support that statement). And it's really not about establishing that women are dangerous or are pedophiles, as much as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 07:43 PM
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Me and my wife have considered fostering foreign exchange students. I hope that doesn't make us look like bad people according to the OP lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 07:23 PM
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Can you please explain, specifically, what you have an issue with here? My claim is that pedophilia among men is not as big of a problem as people think, at least not in comparison to women. My evidence is a study showing that female staff members in juvenile centers are more likely to molest children than male staff members are. The reason I think this counts as evidence is because, if pedophilia really was a bigger problem among men than among women, this study would have most likely found dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 07:09 PM
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Well the other commenter has at least partially conceded here. I mean I really don't see how, "More than nine in ten juveniles who reported staff sexual victimization were abused by a woman" differs substantially from, "women are more likely to molest young children [by a factor of 9]", especially within the context of it applying to those staff members, which I made in the first post. You can argue about prevalence or importance or something like that, but to claim that it's simply false or mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:52 PM
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Sure I do. It was just one example though, admittedly only out of two, but AFAIK it's the only data that looks at anything like that. The point isn't so much to establish that women are all pedophiles, as it is to counter the claim that pedophilia is some kind of rampant problem among men (a claim that women make without any kind of source whatsoever). If you do any kind of research, you'll find that those two pieces of data are really all we have (at least AFAIK -- I have seen the claim that fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:47 PM
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Please point out exactly where you think this is the case. Here is the original: "More than nine in ten juveniles who reported staff sexual victimization were abused by a woman." And here is mine: women are more likely to molest young children [by a factor of 9] So please explain how my version is something "different completely" from what the original is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:22 PM
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You're the only person I've ever had problems with. In the other thread I literally copy pasted and bolded the parts from the study I was talking about, and the only thing I got back from you was denialism on the level of climate change deniers and flat earthers. Like I'm sorry, but I don't appreciate your hateful comments against me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:17 PM
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It's becoming less and less of a stigma by the day. They're even being accepted by conservatives, and there are conservative gay people who try to take the "T" out of LGBT (it's not gays as much as it is trans people that conservatives hate nowadays). I can appreciate your argument, and some of the other points people are making, but really it might just be that women are more timid and more likely to suffer from anxiety, especially in situations where there might not be that larger of a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:00 PM
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I don't think I'd feel threatened by a larger gay dude. Rape and sexual violence is pretty rare, especially between strangers, and society is overall pretty safe. Remember men are raped at literal identical rates as women. It's not something that disproportionately effects women, despite what the media, and the sexist #MeToo movement would have you believe (why was there never a #HimToo to raise awareness for male rape victims?). Even things like domestic violence have pretty fair gender parity,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 05:32 PM
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Most of my bullet points come from here. The rest, like young boys paying child support to their adult rapists, are easily found on Google. I've had this discussion before and have posted verbatim quotes from the PDF to back up those points on multiple occations (see below for the first couple bullet points). If you want to burry your head in the sand and ignore reality though, that's on you. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), for example, found that women and men reported a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:58 PM
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Nope, it shouldn't really matter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:47 PM
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I guess I have to say, I'm sorry that she's concerned about her husband and his porn habits, and I hope she figures it out. There is a relationship advice sub though. Instead of attacking men as a gender for what is likely a misunderstanding she's having with her husband, she should maybe go have an honest, non-confrontational (ie, don't yell) discussion with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:46 PM
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https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pornhub-categories-1544638903.png?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=768:* Haven't looked at it myself because I'm at work. Another poster said PornHub reports that milf and lesbian porn are their two most popular categories. You can ctrl+f for pornhub to see that one, although they didn't post a source for it (I assume you can Google it though).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:34 PM
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Yeah it's amazing how immature a lot of 30 and 40 year old women are. I actually wonder if some people ever really grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:21 PM
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Nope, not at all. It's mostly a political thing, and sometimes the most homophobic people are actually gay themselves, and are in denial. Actual anti-gay conservative politicians have been caught having sex with gay men. One guy actually got in trouble in a gay bar soliciting prostitution in the bathroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:17 PM
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Guys get hit on by girls who they're not attracted to. Like maybe it's awkward because you don't want to hurt their feelings, but it's honestly not that big of a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:11 PM
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I know gay guys who are both ways, including one guy who's into like "leather" I think is the term (it's something strait people do also). Maybe it's kind of weird but I try not to judge people lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:08 PM
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I have a couple gay friends. I honestly don't see it as that big of a deal. I've even pissed in non-partitioned urinals right beside a guy I know at work who's gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:06 PM
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Maybe if you put words into my mouth, but that's not what I said. The idea that women might know more about penises than men, and men might know more about vaginas than women, is not that uncommon of a claim. After all, most men have only ever really seen their own penis, and must women have only ever seen their own parts as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:52 PM
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This is according to BJS and CDC statistics, which have recently started counting "made to insert" as a form of rape. A lot of older data only considered forced insertion as rape, which basically excluded the vast majority of rapes committed by women. When you include that in that data though, the picture changes dramatically: Men are raped at identical rates as women (according to the CDC). 79% of men who are raped, are raped by women (again according to the CDC). As many as 48% of all rapists …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:47 PM
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Another poster found data showing that milf is the most commonly watched porn category, not "teen".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:39 PM
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I know a guy turned on by round pregnant women with large prego breasts. He has hentai of that stuff that is way exaggerated compared to what you can find in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:37 PM
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Sure but it's not the only piece of data showing this trend. Female family members are 8 times as likely to molest a child as a male family member (and even four times at likely to murder a child). And it's not like young girls don't often fantasize about older men, either, which is a common double standard applied to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:32 PM
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Neither is teen porn though. Asian, pregnant, busty / chubby, and interracial are all "common" categories as well probably up there with "teen".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 02:28 PM
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Even if he finds younger girls more attractive, I doubt he'd want to be married to one, since she wouldn't be able to contribute as much as you (most likely) can.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 02:23 PM
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If she had said 17 or 18 she might have gotten a little farther with her argument (and at 17 she would have still gotten her anti-male, misandrist shock value from it, since 17 is commonly considered underage). You still need to have boobs and an ass for men to find you attractive, and that's something most 15 year olds don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 02:15 PM
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It's pretty well known that people used to get married in their early teenage years during the middle ages. It was still teenage men marrying teenage women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 02:10 PM
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I think this changes with age (of the viewer) and medium. A printed image of a girl is different from seeing her in real life. I'd be interested to know if there was any difference in how men rate attractiveness in real life vs in print or on a screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 02:07 PM
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You most be crazy if you think "loli hentai" is the most common porn category, if even a common one at all. And even if it were, it doesn't automatically reflect into real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:55 PM
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fap to porn of 'hot teens'. Sexual attractiveness is probably different online then it is in real life. If a camera adds 10 pounds of body weight to someone, maybe it also changes other factors as well. I'm also not sure that teen porn is necessary the most popular form of porn, either. Plus most of the actresses aren't even technically teenagers...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:53 PM
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That or she simply misinterpreted the situation. We hear "hit on" and assume he was making moves or something. Maybe all he did was glance in her direction and simply made assumptions about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:51 PM
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Teenage girls are a lot more annoying than adult women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:40 PM
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Let's say the women were identical apart from their ages and signs of ageing. If weight and body fat are the same I doubt this would be true. I actually have a theory that men like younger women mainly because they tend to weigh less more than anything else. FWIW, women are more likely to molest young children -- like actual kids -- by a factor of 8 (for family members, per CDC data) and 9 (for social workers who deal with kids, per BJS data).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:37 PM
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I don't know the distinctions for those different terms but here is BJS data showing this for juvenile centers: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svjfry12.pdf And then here's some information about sexual assault: http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:25 PM
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rape Women rape men at similar rates as the reverse. It's also pretty rare for both genders in general. Many women get turned on by the idea of rape though, which is not normally a thing for men. young girls Women actually display higher levels of pedophilia then men do. Unless by "young girls" you mean late teens / early 20s. When it comes to actual kids, it definitely leans towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:21 PM
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Lots of women actually believe that. Like you'd be surprised. I've actually had to explain this before (some women think that you can pee semen out of your vagina and that it's an effective form of birth control). And while I'm not presumptuous about those sorts of things, I've probably seen more vaginas than the average woman has, so I do at least think I know most of the basics here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:14 PM
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Violence Women hit men and put more men in the hospital than the reverse. Lesbian relationships are orders of magnitude more violent than gay male and heterosexual relationships (with gay men being the least violent). Rape Women rape men at similar rates as the reverse. Pedophilia Women display higher levels of pedophilia then men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:07 PM
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Supposedly pit bulls are actually safer than like 90% of other dog species. I still don't like them but I've seen the graphs before with pit bulls close to the bottom in terms of how dangerous they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:04 PM
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Male sexuality is simply shamed more by our pro-female, anti-male society. Women actually rape men at similar rates as the reverse and women display higher levels of pedophilia then men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:03 PM
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I think going bald is pretty equivalent to being overweight for a woman. Obligatory: "one is controllable through diet and exercise, the other isn't".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 01:00 PM
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I agree with you, but most women aren't just a couple extra pounds overeight. And the ones that are will eventually put on more as they get older. I actually have a theory about men liking younger women being more related to their weight than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 12:58 PM
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At last admit to being bigoted if you're going to say something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 12:53 PM
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There might be that one guy out there who stuck his dick in a tailpipe, but women have been known to use things like broomsticks and watermelons. Honestly all the kinky stuff at sex stores tend to be for women also.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 12:52 PM
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I wonder how she explains CDC data showing that women rape men at similar rates as the reverse. Or other data from places like the BJS showing higher rates of pedophilia among women than among men (by a factor of 9 -- it's s pretty large difference). See: http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svjfry12.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 12:48 PM
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Women actually rape men at similar rates as the reverse in the United States. I don't know if it was always like that, but the most recent data from places like the CDC is pretty clear about this being the case. Women are also more likely to exhibit traits of pedophilia than men, by a factor of 8 (for family members) and 9 (for social workers who deal with kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 12:46 PM
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Look up your out of pocket maximum. That's the important number IMO, and what you should have money in the bank for. People fret over deductables and things like that, but in a truly catastrophic situation, after your deductable, and your percentage match after that, and all your copays and whatever else, that's the amount that you'll end up paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 08:11 PM
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Some of those mail order brides just scam men for elaborate honeymoons and weddings that turn out to not be legally binding. On the other hand, plenty of women in general get married primarily for the promise of an elaborate honeymoon and wedding...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:49 PM
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Money for just insulting guys Isn't that just what a girlfriend is? I guess minus having to touch him but that's kind of given online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:45 PM
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A male friend of mine grew up without a father and I think it's obvious in some ways how it effected him. But there are actual statiatics for like teenage pregnancy, grades in school, occupational success, and things like that, showing that girls do much worse without a father than they do without a mother. Now how it effects them emotionally and things like that might be a whole other issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:35 PM
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Which is funny because in the Bible, a baby isn't considered part of the community and worthy of baptism for an entire week after birth. We even have holidays based on this custom around Jesus's birth (that's why the new year starts one week after Christmas). I think a lot of Jews and Muslims still practice this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:24 PM
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What about financial autonomy, which is really an extension of bodily autonomy, like if you're forced to work harder jobs and more hours in order to afford child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:20 PM
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The idea that the father should have to consent is really just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:14 PM
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They say it's actually daughters who suffer the most from not having a father in their life, at least in terms of how they turn out as adults. It's actually worse than not having a mother. Whereas a son suffers about equally without either the mother or the father, a daughter suffers a lot more without a father than without a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:06 PM
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A friend of mine with a kid married someone who also has a kid. She's abusive to him though and her child is abusive towards his child. He's currently working on getting out of that situation and just staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:00 PM
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I agree with you that insurance is terrible. I have lab work every year, required by my insurance to prove I'm healthy enough to get a cheaper rate, and I pay out of pocket for it. Like my doctor wouldn't normally order it. And it is for something that should be illegal (basically searching for pre-existing conditions through a proxy). So the least they should do is pay for it lol. To answer your question though insurance is really supposed to be for things like having a heart attack and needing…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 05:51 PM
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Still seems like pocket change if I'm being completely honest. And by the sound of it you have better insurance than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 05:34 PM
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If you think $1,000 is a lot of money then you're clearly not UMC.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 05:09 PM
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I mean I'm not really making that argument. I do think someone lacking in moral character will display those tendencies regardless of class though. Just look at Donald Trump as an admitedly controversial example. You've got the guy mugging people at the bottom, the guy ripping off clients in the middle, and then the guy scamming investors at the top. And in fairness, they do all probably have arm candy wives. I'd have to see some data to fully support that kind of argument, but I guess I can see…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 04:37 PM
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Look up on the wealth of nations, the book that basically popularized the idea of capitalism and the free market. Taxing wealth was a pretty core components of our early ideas about capitalism, and used to be commonplace in most capitalist nations, including the United States, as recently as the 50s and 60s. Also common was preventing anti-competitive behavior from companies. Laws concerning this are still on the books but rarely enforced in the United States anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 03:27 PM
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If you want to call your boyfriend / husband lazy then that's on you. But actual research, which I've already posted, and which you've conveniently ignored, pretty clearly demonstrates the magnitude of this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 03:16 PM
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Because you don't want to entertain other perspectives, Like entertaining the idea that the mountains of evidence showing that men are discriminated against in family court was somehow made up and planted in a giant conspiracy theory? Kind of like how climate change deniers think all of the world's scientists have been paid off by Al Gore to lie to everyone? If you think the research is wrong, at least provide an argument for why you think that's the case. Don't just burry your head on the sand …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 02:40 PM
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Feminists are already doing a pretty good job of it. Being born a man is essentially a crime at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 02:35 PM
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So are all of the things that I just mentioned. Also many men don't go because they don't work the same cushy jobs that women have which pay benefits, like having good health insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 02:33 PM
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Meh maybe your bad boy is the guy who throws other people under the bus at work to get raises. Same basic behavior, just a different, more socially acceptable context.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 02:24 PM
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It is commonly cited as one of the single largest factors though, along with losing your children, losing your job, and becoming homeless (or a combination thereof -- all of these often happen together for a lot of men).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 12:13 AM
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The actual problem is the shit that's actually making the a man unhappy Which could be related to fundamental structural issues with society and the rampant disenfranchisement caused by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 11:35 PM
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Do you believe in adoption and safe haven sites? It's the same concept, just post birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 11:32 PM
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"Can't the police just not shoot us?" It's a moot point anyway. Are you going to address my post, or at least admit that you were factually wrong about child custody and divorce laws?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 09:12 PM
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the fact that if men actually take the time and effort fight for custody they generally get 50/50. This isn't true though, not even close. See: http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php https://www.cnn.com/shows/this-is-life-with-lisa-ling https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main I also really just get frustrated with this MRA talking point that all these problems would magically disappear if we did away with CS/alimony altogether. There's very little information to back it up…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 09:03 PM
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Yeah she can be pretty dead set on being wrong sometimes. I'm not sure if we're allowed to talk about other members like that, but it is something I've noticed before lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 08:03 PM
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I don't know if I ever used those words specifically, but it was a common sentiment in my friend group at the time. It was like a coping mechanism, especially when you got dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 07:39 PM
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It could be. It's not a "theory" though. I actually read it in one of those popular science books, and this was long before the red pill and all that (they tend to base their theories on this sort of stuff, although they may or may not misinterpret things along the way).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 07:34 PM
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Neither is treating men like they're inherently disfunctional and need to fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 07:30 PM
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What are you talking about? Not rhetorical I just don't understand what it is you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 07:16 PM
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Women have a much stronger in-group bias and are much more likely to treat people differently because of their gender. This translates into higher levels of sexism in women than in men and also explains how feminism has been able to push an anti-male agenda under the guise of "gender equality". So yeah if men were biased and sexist at the same levels that women are, then maybe men would be much farther along in society. But I wouldn't really consider this to be a good thing. Instead I would argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 07:01 PM
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The solution is to treat men as if they were defective women. The way women behave is correct and civilized. Men are simply degenerate, and their maleness needs to be beaten out of them in order for us to move on as a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 06:53 PM
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It is a common cause of suicide. I know it's a lot of text but about half of it is talking about suicide trends and what causes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 06:42 PM
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If you fix child custody and divorce laws it would lead to a lot fewer suicides. When everything you've built through your own labor and effort is taken away from you, and you have no money to live on (because of alimony / child support), suicide starts looking a lot better to a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 06:39 PM
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The woman should be forced to work a job just the same as the man. Why is only the man expected to work more difficult jobs with extra hours but the woman is free to sit on her ass and do nothing if she wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:36 PM
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custody See: http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php https://www.cnn.com/shows/this-is-life-with-lisa-ling https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main Whether you want to admit to it or not, men are discriminated against when it comes to custody decisions. Even the laws in most states (and probably most countries) are blatantly sexist against men, before you even start to look at the court bias. This level of discrimination is severe enough that your average feminist would prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:33 PM
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I don't know if it's a majority but it is a big factor. 3. Discrimination in divorce/family courts Overview: It's hard to underestimate how scary divorce can be for men. This includes financial consequences (the chance of unreasonably high child support or alimony payments) and the personal/emotional consequences (the likelihood that you'll see your children much less, and the possibility that you'll hardly see them at all). This is not to say that divorce is always a nightmare for men or sunshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:25 PM
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Men spend more overall time supporting their families between childcare, household chores, and work, than women do. It is actually worse for dual income families because men are picking up a larger and larger portion of the work in those setups.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:10 PM
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I've presented this to you in a factual, academic context, in another thread we're talking in. You and I both know that your characterization is a blatant hyperbole and not anywhere close to the truth. If you want to talk about sacrificing yourself for society though, how about we talk about who built society, who built the technology that you're using to post these comments, the building that you're probably in, or the roads that you probably utilize on a daily basis. Why not discuss the occupa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:00 PM
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I mean yeah I don't know either but clearly the researchers here know what they're talking about (check the source link they may even have examples). Women do get a lot more help from governments and non-profits though. If society cared about men as much as we cared about women, I'm sure that would go a long ways towards fixing it. Instead of blaming the men who kill themselves for the problem, we should instead address the fundamental structural problems and discrimination that men face in soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 03:46 PM
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I absolutely think that women should work more in order to help alleviate the financial burdens that men are forced to carry in society. The fact that women on average have more time to spend with their kids simply reflects how much privilege most women have, and how deep this form of discrimination goes. One aspect of it goes all the way back to female hypergamy. Men are the ones who have to pay for dates and otherwise spend money on the woman, a situation that women are very slow in wanting to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 02:55 PM
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Did you not look at any of the links I gave you? It is not simply a case of men being less involved. To begin with, men spend more overall time supporting their families between childcare, household chores, and work, than women do. The fact that people like you don't want to acknowledge this is part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 02:33 PM
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The problem is actual research disagrees with what you're saying. Men are not defective women, and making men behave more like women is not a solution. The Samaritans report says most people have no idea what they can do to combat male suicide. Too many they say, simply “ 'upbraid' men for being 'resistant to help-seeking' or 'not talking about their feelings.' ”. Mental-health specialists especially, says the Samaritans report, “need to move from ‘blaming men for not being like women,’ ” to des…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 02:20 PM
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Ironically its actually feminists who think that men should act a certain way. There's a lot of low key sexism / misandry where men are basically treated like defective women who need to be fixed. All the advice is for men to be more like women, and there's no shortage of shaming language and arguments that basically amount to that. You, yourself, are even guilty of this. Especially your comments about custody and suicide, which reflect this line of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 01:51 PM
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I don't doubt that there may have been some unfair cases when it comes to custody battles. But the point is that such cases are still mainly caused by gendered expectations and stereotypes, which are things that progressives are trying to get rid of. Which is why our divorce and child custody / child support laws are in dire need of being reformed. Do you not support gender equality on these issues? Fixing some of these laws would be a big step in the right direction. Manosphereans on the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 01:42 PM
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Men spend more overall time supporting the family though. While Mom is inside having fun and playing with her kids, dad is outside mowing the lawn, or at work earning money to pay the mortgage. And at the end of the day, mom has more time to herself to relax, have fun, take naps, etc, than dad has. The problem is that the male contribution is simply not valued as much by our sexist, pro-female, anti-male society. The bigotry and hated that you're demonstrating in your posts is actually part of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 01:35 PM
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makes them die younger since they refuse to see a doctor One of the main factors that cause this are occupational trends. Men work much more dangerous / stressful jobs than women do, with longer hours, and fewer benefits. This is the flip side of the wage gap issue; women really do work easier jobs than men, in part because women can simply marry men who work harder and earn more money than them. Men also tend to do most of the dangerous / dirty household chores like mowing the lawn and performi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 01:29 PM
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Ironically, your attitude on this topic, which basically amounts to victim blaming, is one of the main contributing factors of male suicide. Overview: Like drug/alcohol addiction, there are many women who commit suicide but the fact is that men still kill themselves at disproportionately high rates. One study reports that although rates of fatal suicide behaviour are higher among men, rates of nonfatal suicide behaviour are higher among women. It says that women have higher rates of suicidal tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 01:13 PM
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Don't underestimate the extent that public policy and cultural norms benefit women either. Divorce laws that hand women most of the guy's money were actually championed by women who were afraid of being divorced and homeless back in the early 1900s. Back then women didn't work, and our social norms and safety nets were different, so it was a real problem that women faced. But today I feel like many of these laws are outdated and should be rolled back. You won't ever hear women supporting gender …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 01:08 PM
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Maybe if you admit that it's also caused by male disenfranchisement and the fact that men usually have much more difficult lives than women. Most men who commit suicide for example do so after things like losing their job or winding up homeless, which are situations that effect men much more negatively than women, regardless of how it is handled emotionally (a man can't marry his way into a good life, a man has to build said life, and then share it with a woman). When you have people like the Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 12:57 PM
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I'm sure that's a thing honestly. It's been a while since I've dated and been single, but I think I remember certain things that I would only ever talk about with a girlfriend. I can't remember specifics at this point, but I think I was more open / honest in general with SOs than even with my own parents (I can't say I ever dated in order to have an "outlet" though, it was just something that happened). Just curious but what are your thoughts on "that time of the month"? My wife definitely gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 12:38 AM
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Supposedly they used mri machines to show that men and women were equally emotional. Men and women also behave the same in private to emotional stimuli, with men still behaving the same in public, but women being far more expressive when in public. Someone posted a couple studies here as an OP a while back that were really interesting (showed this among other things), but I don't have the links.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 12:11 AM
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Didn't feminists at one point encourage men to be more emotional? Like men were somehow broken or degenerate for not behaving the way women do, and had to be encouraged to adopt the superior, more civilized female way of doing things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 11:57 PM
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There's an evolutionary reason for this though. Women naturally receive the sympathy and help of men, and shedding tears is a good way to elicit this behavior. Kind of like how the specific pitch of a baby's cry ilicits certain responses from parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 11:49 PM
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I remember being younger saying things like I'm only dating her to fuck her. It was never true. A lot of women on the other hand are very open nowadays about just wanting to get laid. They have "penis appointments" and things like that, often with blatantly misandrist overtones. Makes me wonder why we just can't be honest about things as a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 11:45 PM
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Idk maybe I'm just not one of those guys who are like that. I've known a lot of women with a lot of emotional baggage though. Like leaps and bounds more than what I or any guy I know could ever come up with. When that term "emotional labor" started coming around, my first thought was that guys are always dealing with women's emotional problems, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 11:36 PM
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He doesn't know what he's talking about. Conservatives might agree with some of the free market parts of the ideology, but even when it comes to the economic aspects of it, I bet they stop short with the anticompetitive / antimonopoly stuff, as well as the circular motion of capital (where taxation is used to move money that accumulates at the top back to the bottom).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 10:52 PM
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There was a pair of studies showing that men and women are about equally emotional, but that women are more expressive when in public. When in private women react about the same way that men do, but in public put on more of a show (men react about the same way in public as they do in private).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 09:09 PM
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Maybe not. We definitely burden other people with our emotions a lot less than women do though, for better or for worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 09:07 PM
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I think my wife spills her emotions onto me much more often than the reverse. In fact, isn't it a common stereotype that women always want to talk about their day, and men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 09:05 PM
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Like being followed around in a home goods store because obviously I might steel something. Suspicious looks from people in a girls novelty store at the beach (where everyone else was either a woman or a young girl). Being expected to make the first move and pay for everything in a relationship. Not being taken seriously when an ex used to throw things and yell at me. Fear of being arrested if I were to report it. And of course the implication that somehow it was my fault. I've had women joke ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 08:50 PM
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I think men get over things faster and generally deal with their emotions better than women. We might both be equally as emotional to an extent, but whereas men try to fix things, women instead put on displayes for other people to fix for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:57 PM
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Statistically speaking, men do more total work than women do between a job, chores, and childrearing. If you guys don't have kids, chances are he does a lot more than you, because the biggest contribution women make is during the first couple years of raising a child. Now maybe you're dating a slob or have neurotic standards, but this pattern of women not acknowledging what men do around the house is incredibly common. It is part of a wider pattern of sexism and abuse in society where the male c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:52 PM
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maybe overall it is getting better According to who? It's getting worse for men, and has always been worse compared to women. The male contribution to the household has historically not been acknowledged or recognized by our society due to decades of hatred and bigotry against men / fathers / husbands. mental work You mean like keeping an emotional woman from going off the deep end? I think men suffer from just as much, if not more emotional / mental "labor" as women do. Most of the work is actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:36 PM
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Haven't you heard? All women everywhere are oppressed. Even privileged, middle class white girls who will never know a hard days work their entire lives are oppressed. Apparently a lack of hard work denies them the ability to grow and mature into decent human beings, so they feel oppressed as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:14 PM
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Usually the seeds for much more radical forms of bigotry though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:05 PM
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Ultra left wing men tend to be sexist against men also. Granted, the same could be said for all the right-wing, Trump voting women out there too. Or the Uncle Toms voting Republican lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:03 PM
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Maybe for men. Women rarely stay there though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:00 PM
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Remember the word "trigger"? I'm all for mental health awareness and things like that, but if it didn't work for the word retard, it was never going to work for the word triggered. It used to be a lot of people were so upset they would basically get triggered anytime anyone tried to use the word lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 06:55 PM
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Sounds like most women and most of society in general. Men are shamed and berated in public, in private, and everywhere in between. And instead of being seen as sexist or bigoted, it's seen as ok, and even encouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 06:43 PM
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Maybe if you don't have any moral integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 02:29 PM
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Ours is one of those flat stovetops. Pretty easy to clean. I see your pain though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 11:40 PM
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One of my mates met a girl like that, except it was cat shit. I don't think I've ever known a man who was that messy. Usually with men it's things like leaving the clothes on the floor instead of a hamper, or not dusting because they never notice the dust. Some women though live in actual filth. Like I don't understand it. With women they either live in filth, or they have vain, spotless neuroticisms about their surroundings. Men are usually in the middle somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 11:34 PM
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Laundry is like the easiest chore to do lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 11:31 PM
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I don't think he has cleaned the bathroom once since we've moved in together. I'm sure there are things that he does, that you take for granted, or don't even realize, that you've never done once since you've moved in with him. Like that's a problem I've had with my wife in the past. She'd start listing everything she'd done in the past month like she thinks she does everything (and has the nerve to keep score), and I had to remind her that I did XYZ, and "how do you think ABC got done, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 11:26 PM
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It's still gold digging if you're doing that though. Like I don't know what kind of logic you have telling you that it isn't lol. "He's not making a lot of money now, but in ten years he will be, and I'm going to snag him before other women realize that." Like if that isn't underhanded / hypergamous / whatever, then I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 11:10 PM
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Or the men who kept a clean house until you moved in to do it fir them. Sometimes that's because the woman is a lot messier and less organized than she realizes. My house definitely got messier after my wife moved in, but most of it was honestly her, not me. We spend about an equal amount of time cleaning, but she creates a disproportionate amount of clutter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 11:07 PM
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Make bacon, your stovetop is wrecked and needs a half an hour to get perfect again. I agree with your post but I make bacon and eggs almost daily for breakfast for my family and I always keep it clean. It could be the pan to an extent, but all I do is run it under the sink while still hot and scrub it with paper towels. That almost always gets everything off the pan and only takes like 30 seconds. My wife is far more messy in the kitchen because she always waits a couple days before cleaning up …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 10:54 PM
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We work full time just as our partners but most of the household chores still fall unto us and our partners have to be explicitly asked to help. Again, research does not back this up. The share of work that men do has actually increased over time, and is highest for couples where both partners work. All indications are that when women work a job, men step in for a larger portion of the housework and childrearing. This is in addition to the traditional male roles that women have never done, like …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 10:13 PM
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Not according to actual research from places like Pew. Women might complain more, but mothers actually have more total time for leisure, napping, having fun, etc, than fathers do. I actually think it's a bit unfair to men / fathes that this "stereotype" exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 05:22 PM
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Actual research from places like Pew show men putting in more total overall work between a job, housework, and raising kids. It's true that women spend more time with kids (a lot of it being play / fun, not really "work"), but men still put in more overall time and work than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 05:20 PM
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Its funny, because she usually wraps it around a "I feel bad" because she feels useless I think this is why women exaggerate how much they do around the house. When my wife first moved in she was literally looking for excuses to do things and would get mad when I cooked or cleaned up (but would also get mad when I didn't lol, which I think was just her way of saying, "look at everything I've done for you"). Part of it was I bought the house and spent like 60 hours a week at work, whereas she had…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:51 PM
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The same research shows men putting in more total time combined between childrearing, household chores, and work. Maybe some of that "heavy lifting" that parent is talking about is things like keeping the house and yard functional for mom / kid to hang out and do their thing in (not to mention paying the mortgage / rent on said property). The problem is that the male contribution is simply not valued as much by our sexist, pro-female, anti-male society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:40 PM
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I'll give you pregnancy but men still do more overall work than women do. And most of the extra work that women put in to children is only for a few years. Total lifetime investment in chores / work / childrearing skews heavily against men due to the early childrearing part spanning so few total years for most couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:32 PM
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That's mostly only true during the first few years. And men still do more overall work in total between household chores, their job (where they usually work more and harder hours), and childrearing. This is according to Pew research. Lifetime investment in chores / work / childrearing skews heavily towards men due to the early childrearing part spanning so few total years for most couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:28 PM
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As a man I think this is highly accurate. I look for excuses to get my wife out of the house so I can look after the kids lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:14 PM
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They're honestly kind of fun at that age. You just have to be patient with them is all. The only real negative is diaper changes. So long as you give them the right amount of attention and discipline, something that basically amounts to playing with them, which is supposed to be fun, then they're honestly pretty easy to deal with. If you ignore them though that's when they start behaving badly. Crying in stores, staying up all night, pretty much all the "bad" behaviors that people associate with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:01 PM
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I honestly think men deal with kids better than women do. At least, women seem to freak out and overreact a lot more than men do. Raising a kid is pretty of easy about 90% of the time, which makes me think a lot of people who complain about it are being dishonest (or maybe they're just not mature / calm enough to raise one).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 03:52 PM
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Being "stable" means he has a lot of money and can give her the type of life that she wants (and without her actually having to work for it herself).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 03:39 PM
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Male suicide rates vs female...cuz men get no support. Men have harder lives just in general. It's not just about how much support men get, but how much stress they have, what all they have to put on their shoulders, and what the consequences of failure look like for a man vs a woman. Most women will never know the kinds of burdens that men are forced to carry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 06:09 PM
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They also cry more when people are watching them. Parents can actually influence how much a child cries just by their responses to them. If the child thinks that it should be in pain, or that it should be crying, then it will. They actually gauge their parents response before they decide what they're going to do, and if you look concerned, they'll start crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 05:44 PM
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There are actually more male to female conversions than the other way around. Things like drag queens and "human dolls" and things like that are more common for men pretending to be women than the other way around also. Many guys reportedly do it specifically because of the social privileges that are gained by being a woman compared to being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 05:38 PM
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A big book she made with pictures from our dates and reasons why she loved me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 05:18 PM
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Men and women cry, shout, wince, smile, laugh, etc, at roughly the same rate and magnitude when it private. I think crying was the biggest difference they found, but it wasn't a very big difference like you might expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 05:11 PM
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There are some differences between men and women, with the largest being related to crying, but across a broad range of emotional stimulants, including fear, pain, happiness, etc, men and women respond almost the same way when in private. It's only in public where men and women behave differently, and it veers towards women responding more than it does towards men responding less. Of course this is in the United States where the studies were done.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 05:08 PM
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Men arguably have things worse than women when it comes to rape and sexual violence, if for no other reason than people don't recognize that men can ever be raped. Fact is, men are raped at literal identical rates as women, usually by women, and research shows that male victims are more strongly stigmatized by it, and suffer greater rates of emotional trauma,. This is in part because men have fewer resources to turn to, and usually aren't believed the way female rape victims are. https://www.sci…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 04:53 PM
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Women definitely have things better though. Rape is actually as common against men as it is against women, and contrary to OPs implication, most men are raped by women outside of prison. Female rapists are significantly more likely to get away with rape than male rapists, and they usually don't have to register as sex offenders like men do. Male victims of rape have fewer resources to go to than female victims, are less likely to be believed by other people, and are more likely to suffer from em…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 04:44 PM
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not worrying about rape (if you can stay out of prison) This isn't true as all. Men are raped at equal rates as women, and 79% of men who are raped, are raped by women, not men. Prison sexual abuse is a problem, but you have just as much to fear from female security guards as you do from your fellow inmates. This is especially true if you are a minor, where women are some 9 times as likely to rape a young child as a man is. This idea that most male rape victims are raped in prison is a myth base…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 04:27 PM
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Sexual assault against men is equally as common as it is against women, yet we really only seem to care about women who are raped, not men. In many areas women who rape men can't even be prosecuted as rapists because of misandrist, matriarchal legal standards. As a result, female rapists get away with their crimes much more often than male rapists do. Other studies show that men are disproportionately the targets of crime, and that women, for nothing other than their gender, are considerably saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 04:16 PM
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This is a really touching story. I think it belongs on /r/bestof .
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 03:04 PM
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Not all is great in the world of men: a reference book of men's issues There has been enormous public outcry over the issue of "missing and murdered Aboriginal women" in Canada [1]. Aboriginal people do get murdered and go missing at disproportionate rates, but it's the men, not the women, who are victimized more. Aboriginal men are murdered more than twice as often in Canada [2], and 4-5 times more of them have gone missing in the Northwest Territories and the province of Ontario [3]. Despite t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:27 PM
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That's a good question. I know a few gay people well enough to think that maybe this isn't the case lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:09 PM
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This reminds me of a friend's house we helped paint earlier this year. We were already good friends but I noticed most of the women in our lives, including my wife, his fiance, and his sister, didn't really help a lot with the actual work of painting. They would spit ideas at us, play Pandora, and make drinks, but they mostly just stood around and talked / hung out whereas we were doing most of the painting. I wonder if women overemphasize the importance of "talking" because they're lazy and wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 01:56 PM
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What makes you such an expert lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 01:39 PM
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I definitely have guy friends who would listen and help with those sorts of things. We actually have a friend of ours who keeps dating crazy, sometimes suicidal women, and I've been the guy to come talk to them and help the girl out in those situations (including giving her a place to keep her stuff after her admittedly crazy / racist family kicked her out for dating said friend). I had a cousin kill himself when I was younger so this is actually something that I care a lot about. I do admit tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 01:27 PM
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I think we confuse what amounts to emotional maturity in men with "not caring enough" or "suppressing things". Likewise I think we confuse emotional immaturity in women with "being open" and things like that. Like I'm all for supporting someone in need. In fact I think that's what a "man" should do. But at a certain point you really do need to take responsibility for yourself and your actions and not expect to be able to cry your way out of everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 01:21 PM
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Needing alone time = "he doesn't want to be with me" = "he doesn't love me" / "he must be cheating on me" Honestly I've found that it's actually your SO who gives you the most problems from "opening up". Most of my guy friends are fairly supportive. It's always women who cause problems when you come to them with things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 01:13 PM
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This reminds be of that book where a feminist pretended to be a man for a year. She found out that men are actually more caring than her female friends, and that male friendships tend to be stronger than what women usually have. There's actually some recent research questioning these assumptions about men and emotions as well. I don't have the links handy (they were actually posted here some months back by someone else) but they basically found that, contrary to the assumption that men "hold thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 01:02 PM
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Women do this shit even when death isn't a factor. They'll date a guy for a couple of years, worry that she won't ever "get anything out of the relationship", as if fun times and fond memories together aren't worth anything, and then will desire a kid from him because, "at least I'll have that in common with him if we ever break up". It's pretty crazy how some women think about things...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 12:48 PM
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Women engage in sex tourism and are applauded for it though. There's actually a girl online who makes a living from a blog where she travels the world and has sex with guys. Switch genders though and all hell breaks lose...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 12:42 PM
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Where is this chance though? Most of my single friends keep dating women who have kids. One guy who's engaged is engaged to a woman who already has a kid. And I have a coworker who, literally this week, is officially "adopting" his wife's kids from a previous man. To me this all just seems incredibly unfortunately. All of these guys are decent, hard-working, upstanding individuals (and even good looking), but none of them seem to be able to find a decent women who really seems worthy of their lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 08:14 PM
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There are plenty of men who do the right things in life but then live in a world where women haven't. They were likely lied to when they were growing up and only find out later what the truth is (hence the term "red pill"). Like if I go to college, make good grades, get a good job, work hard, and stay out of trouble, I think I absolutely do deserve to be able to have a family, and it shouldn't have to be with some slut who has two children and baby daddy issues already. But that's the world we l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 07:57 PM
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We are expected to be the first generation of men without families of our own. You know I've never really thought about that before, but it is true when you look around at what's happening. I know a lot of men without children dating, and sometimes marrying women, who do. If you don't plan on staying with the guy you're with, then don't keep the kid, or at least use contraceptives. It really is unfair. It's unfair to the kid who will grow up without a father. Its unfair to the baby daddy who doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 07:15 PM
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I forget the exact number but some 90%+ of women rate wealth as the single most important factor when dating a guy. We like to sugar coat it and say things like "he has to have a good job" or that she needs "financial security", but that's all that really means. Like at what point does a woman become a gold digger, and does it really matter when 90%+ of women self admit to caring primarily about money? Now in fairness the same survey showed that some large percentage of men rated looks as the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:57 PM
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I've always seen it discussed in the UK like it was something happening over there. That's why I said I assume it's happening in the US though also.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:34 PM
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Any boat over 205 mph you literally can't buy yourself. You have to custom build it. I imagine any boat approaching even 100 is going to be expensive, and maybe not very practical. But yeah I'm not contradicting what you said. Just sharing what I saw recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:29 PM
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And? Lots of men go in to debt to make women happy. That's basically how the world works. Women want things. Men provide those things. And when he no longer can, she leaves him and finds another man who will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:24 PM
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Are you talking about the tendency for men to be marginalized and portrayed negatively in the media? I'm sure it has an effect on people. Everyone is afraid of criminals, and everyone assumes that men are criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:16 PM
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You're probably not going to want to date a woman who has $100,000+ worth of student loans and credit card debt, regardless of how hot she is. Funny you say this because statistically most women pay off their student debt with their husband's / boyfriend's money. Most women actually can't pay off their student debt unless someone else does it for them. On average they spend more money on their degree than what they get back in their careers from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:08 PM
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I mean I wouldn't... Most men statistically prefer cute girls over "hot" / sexy girls. Plus most guys aren't looking to upgrade unless there's actually something wrong with the girl they have. Being marginally prettier isn't going to do anything. Women on the other hand usually lump having a man with having a home, kids, and other nice / expensive things in life. It's never just about the man, it's about everything that comes with the man. Even if she sees herself contributing, it's usually the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 06:05 PM
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The world record for a propeller driven boat is 205 miles per hour. Anything faster than that is custom built and likely uses jet propulsion or something exotic like that. I was just at the marina not too long ago and the guy acted like this Yamaha jet ski with a top speed of 75 was the fastest boat he had, but I guess he could have meant acceleration instead of top speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:45 PM
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Women definitely do it more. Men actually tend to respect other men who are above them. Women on the other hand will try to tear them down. That's what the difference is. Like there are a couple guys where I work where pretty much everyone complains about them, but that's because they're objectively incompetent and make things harder for everyone else. They don't even have that high of a position, they're just not very good employees. On the other hand, there are combinations of women who you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:28 PM
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we don't need the boat that does 100 What boat will do 100? The fastest, most expensive jet skis only do like 75.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:17 PM
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It's not just teachers. I think most of society realizes this. Especially when you're out somewhere and there are misbehaving children because their parents are too lazy to do anything about it. Like are you really going to blame anyone besides their parents in that situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:15 PM
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We're both probably childish in our own ways. Women just tend to be a little more hypocritical about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:11 PM
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Maybe in a girl's fantasy lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:07 PM
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I think it goes both ways. Parent is definitely trying to sugar coat it a bit but I think there is some truth there. One thing to consider is that it's usually men who have to do everything, regardless of who wanted it. It's real easy for a women to nag or complain about something, when she's not the person who's responsible for fixing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:06 PM
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A friend of mines dad is dating someone younger than he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 05:01 PM
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I agree that it's not actually better because of the higher cost of living and higher work hours required Just FYI this is what the term real wages refers to, where the word "real" refers to "adjusted for inflation". Obviously things have gotten better since the Bush era economic disaster, but by a lot of metrics we are still no better than we were during the late 90s, and in some cases things are actually worse. I don't know to what extent this effects what we're talking about, but certainly a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 04:02 PM
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I think the issue that is worrying people is the so called "underemployment" problem. A lot of men work dangerous, stressful, high paying jobs mainly to have a wife and a family. If men start opting out of this lifestyle it could have wide ranging effects on society and the economy. Of course a little sympathy for the bleak plight that most men face on a day to day basis might make you think twice as well. Suicide and homelessness aren't really problems that you can easily sweep under a rug.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 02:45 PM
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The economy may have improved but most of the gains were disproportionately in favor of the ultra rich. Real wages for the middle class haven't increased since the late 90s. And things like home ownership are becoming increasingly rare as REITs and other investment companies buy up real estate and refuse to sell it back to their tenants (I say this as someone who owns rental property myself... I recognize it as a problem, but it is a lucrative business to get into).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 02:37 PM
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They would be if men started opting out of them. In Iceland they had a day where women decided to protest and not work (including at home and at work), and life pretty much went on like normal. A few dads had to take their kids to school or make breakfast, whereas normally the mother had done that, but that's pretty much all that happened. I guarantee if men had done the same thing though, society would have come to a screeching halt. Like I'm not going to talk about women and say that they're n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 02:10 PM
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In the US at the very least.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:52 PM
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It is an active area of research with plenty of facts and data to show that it's real. In fact the research probably came out before guys started complaining about it, seeing how some of the trends stretch back for decades. I think you can argue over how widespread it is, and whether or not you want to call it a "crisis", but you can't say that it's not real. Like at a certain point you're just going to be "arguing" with facts, something known as denialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:51 PM
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Yeah I forgot to mention MGTOW. Herbivore men aren't unique to Japan though. It happens in Britain as well (they're called NEETs) and I'm sure in the United States too. It's not just dating though that has done this. I'd say equally as large of a problem is the economy. People are working more hours and getting less for it, so of course there are going to be some people who "opt out" or work easier jobs, living cheaper lifestyles, etc. That's what happens in a free market economy; it's called su…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:42 PM
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There have been entire books written about this (Men on Strike is one that comes to mind but it spans into things like lower homeownership rates and things like that). I said earlier that I don't think it's a true "crisis" but it is a widely recognized phenomenon that does appear to be getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:29 PM
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The last few years there has been in increase in crime rates in general. Over a longer period of time the trend has been down, but recently it's ticked up some.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:25 PM
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Women do statically produce fewer goods and resources than what they consume.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:23 PM
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What do you mean by "your people"? You mean white people? Are you one of those people who are afraid that white people are going to go extinct or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:19 PM
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I remember when tinder was like a godsend for men. Netflix and chill was like the greatest thing to ever happen, but now it sounds like girls are asking guys for money just to go on dates or to see pics of their boobs lol. I haven't been on it in forever but it's crazy how much it's changed since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:13 PM
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Look at cases like Gypsy Rose. The main factor that finally broke her was a desire to be intimate with a man. She literally murdered her own mother to get some penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:01 PM
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The same thing started happening in Japan probably 10+ years ago and their culture has adapted with things like love hotels. If you can't have sex at home with your parents there, then you can drive to a love hotel. Most of them don't even have staff at the front desk (they're automated) so it's less awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 12:56 PM
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Other statistics in the United States, Japan, and Britain have been showing similar trends in terms of marriage, relationships, and related phenomenon like Britain's NEETs, Japan's hikikimori, and general mental health in the United States. I wouldn't call it a crisis and I wouldn't say it's happening the entire world over, but I think it is indicative of interesting changes happening in the developed world. Some of it certainly relates to technology and social media, but it also has to do with …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 12:47 PM
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More "fan fiction" for you: https://people.com/crime/brittany-zamora-smiles-reporting-to-prison-sex-abuse/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/teacher-jailed-20-years-having-144000464.html Not trying to demonize teachers or anything, just putting things into perspective. Society usually assumes that rape is a problem that disproportionately effects women, and that men are usually the perpetrators. This has the effect of unfairly stigmatizing men, spreading bigotry and hated towards men, while empowering …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 08:34 PM
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The paper itself is a summary of a bunch of other papers, but the numbers I was referring to actually came from the CDC. I recommend giving it a good read if you're interested in the topic. A few interesting notes: Men are raped at identical rates as women (according to the CDC). 79% of men who are raped are raped by women (again according to the CDC). As many as 48% of all rapists could be women. Other metrics, including BJS numbers, put it a bit lower, but still over 40% (CDC numbers put it at…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 08:18 PM
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Is it safe to say you love your child more than your husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 07:22 PM
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It's called Poe's law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 06:55 PM
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Usenet was self moderated back in the day. People used to actually be polite and speak intelligently about things. It was only after it started getting easier and easier to access by dumb people that things started turning into what you see today.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 06:52 PM
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Yep I think this is one of the biggest things that needs to be fixed when it comes to gender equality. I've always felt like less than an equal to women, pretty much since when I was a kid, which is when a lot of this stuff starts. You're told as a guy that you have to do everything, prove yourself, pay for everything, etc, which to me just seems sexist. Like shouldn't women have to do the same thing? Women walk around calling themselves princesses and how they're "worth it" or otherwise better …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 05:46 PM
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Seems pretty par the course. I remember thinking women had things better back then specifically because of this attitude that women were good enough to not have to do anything (and / or make the man do everything). That goes a really long way to devaluing men when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 04:52 PM
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And yet they think the government is too intrusive. Well maybe it wouldn't be so intrusive if you guys weren't passing laws about what women are allowed to do with their bodies. Not to mention who's allowed to use what bathrooms, what science topics are allowed to be taught in schools, which sexual orientation you have to be in order to get married, whether or not people have to stand during the national anthem, what countries are allowed to produce which goods and services.. Like stop getting o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 04:27 PM
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Some people would even call that a "rape culture". I remember this one story came out where this teacher had been abusing her students for decades. Well another teacher found out, and instead of telling on her, she blackmailed her to let her in on it. They both got caught eventually but I'm sure plenty of people thought their victims were somehow "lucky" for getting to bone their teachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 03:50 PM
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Most people can be predatory. I mean rape statistics show that women rape men at similar rates as the reverse. We just often trust women more than we trust men. Which probably explains why female family members are technically more dangerous than male family members. You might keep your child away from men -- uncles, cousins, etc, who you might worry about being rapists or something, but then you give female relatives full access to your kids. Then we're surprised when female family members rape…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 03:14 PM
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Any amount of drugs or alcohol, even prescribed drugs, could invalidate a contract that you signed. A notary could even lose their license under those circumstances. I think this is a case where that app recording two people consenting could be useful though. It might not be legally binding and might not protect you from a false accusation, but hey, at least you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 03:03 PM
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I didn't and still don't subscribe to the idea of "the one" and I don't think I've ever been 100% sure about anything. I don't think you need to be sure. Like I figure there's probably a woman out there better for me, but I already have the girl that I have, we have a lot of memories together, and we've both learned how to live together and be happy together. So I'm not too concerned that I've missed something. I think people who fret over those sorts of things will never find happiness, even ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 02:50 PM
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IDK I won't say what my age is, but I've accomplished most of what I wanted to accomplish in life, and I'm not really that old yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 02:44 PM
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Too bad the men in those relationships usually don't have much of a say in it. I have a co-worker in that boat because his wife literally decided she wanted to have a kid and went off birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 02:41 PM
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You can at least work during the summer. Depending on your course load it can be difficult to work and to go to school at the same time. Most people who manage that have really easy majors like business or civil engineering. I worked full time over the summers and always managed to save enough money to last me through the year.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 01:13 PM
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I went to one of the top colleges in my state and between internships and scholarships only ended up needing something like $10k, which I paid off within the first year of graduating. A friend of mine went to the same school and he still has student debt from it. He had a job too so I'm not really sure what happened to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 01:10 PM
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Gender parity in domestic violence has long been established. There's plenty of research to back that up, including research showing that men are more likely to be severely injured and hospitalized than the reverse. Women are victimized more often then men, but that's only because lesbian relationships are more violent then heterosexual and gay male relationships. Sexual assault statistics on the other hand usually downplay male victims because in most places, women cannot legally rape men. When…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 05:50 PM
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Conservative people tend to be more attractive. All that says is that conservative people are more vain, and probably less likely to care or even understand the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 05:27 PM
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But seeing as women are, statistically, victims of domestic violence and sexual harassment more than men. Young girls are often raped and abused by men closest to them; uncles, brothers, grandfather, etc. This actually isn't true at all. Women abuse men at far higher rates than the reverse, and even when you look at just physical violence, women still assault men, and put men in to hospitals, more often than the reverse. Men are raped at the same rate as women, and most male victims of rape are …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 05:01 PM
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Declining health might have something to do with it at that age. You'd be surprised how common of a motivator that is, especially for men who are usually expected to be work and be healthy. If you can't work and you're a man then you're basically a nobody. And if you can't get disability pay, you're going to wind up homeless. These are problems that women basically never have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:43 PM
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If you isolate only gender and keep everything else the same then it's obviously a lot easier to be a girl than to be a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:39 PM
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How is this a conflicting message at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:32 PM
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most rapes So you're leaving out the 50% of rapes the happen to men, of which a majority are perpetrated by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:29 PM
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Men have been doing it for thousands of years so I don't really see what the issue is. Of course it could be that women don't really care about equality and carrying their own weight in society... "I have a vagina. I shouldn't have to do difficult work or carry any kind of responsibility in life."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:27 PM
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I've been mugged or intimidated into giving groups of beggars money more than once. That just sounds crazy to me. Are you sure they weren't like thugs or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:06 PM
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Most beggars are harmless, especially if they're actually homeless. What you have to watch out for are people who aren't actually homeless or otherwise down on their luck. Not because they're dangerous or anything, but because they're out abusing people's kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 04:05 PM
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Steven King... Like I guess you probably don't read a lot, but most people have at least seen the movie adaptations of his books.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 02:36 PM
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Yes it's definitely his fault. Even though this is the statistical norm across the country. The school system is incredibly sexist, not just against boys, but against male teachers as well. It might be different in college, but you can't blame OP for this. It is a systemic social problem that will likely never be addressed because of our society's preference for women over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 02:19 PM
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I've always heard the opposite. Statically women prefer circumcised penises, at least in America. It is of course a form of child abuse and should be banned. Our anti-male, gynocentric society will never do that though. Society will always side with women, even if it means literal child abuse against young boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 02:13 PM
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I think this topic is stupid. But this comment belongs under the automod. Read the rules in the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 02:05 PM
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Especially when we see more and more tax cuts and loopholes for the ultra rich. And damn near half the country tricked into supporting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 02:01 PM
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It's still like 40%+ for first time marriages, afaik.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 08:23 PM
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A friend of mine is a contract lawyer who used to practice family law. He actually helped draft my prenup and recommended a couple of lawyers to go through for that. But I remember asking him about divorce settlements, and his response was basically, "It depends on which judge you get". He could actually name all the local judges and how they tended to side on things. I asked him if I could just chose which judge I wanted to use. Which of course you can't (lol). But it just seemed dumb to me tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 07:12 PM
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Marital homes are not necessarily excluded from prenuptial agreements I have no idea why you keep harping on that one point to try and make your entire argument for you. But go ahead and give me your case cites if you want. Since it’s so very important to you. My legal strategy was to mortgage my home because we couldn't guarantee that I would be able to keep it after a divorce. So... I don't know what to tell you but it is a thing. Same thing if your wife starts driving a car that you bought. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:53 PM
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Apparently she'd be giving out bad legal advice. Like I actually have a prenup so I know what all goes in to one. Parent here appears to be fairly ignorant (and / or dishonest) about it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:32 PM
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Your nonsensical response was about these people giving up 70% of assets and income THEY DON’T HAVE. Which is why a lot of these people wind up in jail, some of them even killing themselves because they can't afford day to day expenses on top of their alimony and child support payments. 70% of your post-tax income is actually fairly common. There's a guy here who lives in Ohio who is in this situation. Britain is even worse. We had a lawyer explain how the system gets gamed over there, and why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:19 PM
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I'll let you find the statistics if you think this is the case. Divorce rates and home ownership rates are probably a good place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:08 PM
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It’s not a fucking loophole unless you call all law “loopholes” And again, it doesn't matter what you want to call it. It is a problem with the way the law is written that needs to fixed if you ever want to call it fair. Like I think it's funny that I brought up an actual legal argument that pokes a gaping hole through what you were saying, and your only response is to argue with me over semantics, not the practical aspect of what it means (that I can't protect my house in a divorce). Sexist lol…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:00 PM
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There’s no loopholes lol this isn’t “legal technicality” In what world is this not a loophole? I tell you that I want to sign a document that states "my stuff is my stuff, her stuff is her stuff", and then you come back and tell me, "I can do that, except for your home. Half of your home, that belongs to you, will have to belong to your wife. The best thing you can do is mortgage it." Like what do you call this, if not a "loophole"? And how does changing what you refer to it as, change anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 05:36 PM
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I think what I typed earlier is fair. It's pretty simple. And I think most people would see it as fair. In fact, when you say "prenup", I assume this is what most people think of. And I can guarantee all these people who you've claimed to talk to about this, have all had a very similar assumption in mind as well. "I keep my stuff. She keeps hers. We split the kids with no child support or alimony." What about this do you not think is fair? The way I see it, this is how marriage should be, by def…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 05:04 PM
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These people who you claim to have talked to probably just aren't aware of all the legal technicalities behind it. You can try to talk circles around them with legal jargon all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the system is fundamentally unfair. And I think dodging around this, trying to imply that it is fair because of some legal definition, is dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 04:30 PM
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Divorce can still get expensive if one or the other partner wants to cause problems. I mean most men know at least one person who was screwed over by an ex wife. Like it's not all the uncommon. And if you don't think men think about these sorts of things, then you're sorely mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 04:17 PM
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Maybe people who have money and decent incomes? Like sorry you can't sympathize or relate to that at all... Besides, there are plenty of poor people who wind up in jail because they can't afford the child support and alimony payments. Hell, some guy in Canada actually killed himself recently because he couldn't keep up with his payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 03:51 PM
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I'd say a lot of people are concerned with things like alimony, child support, and child custody. And even when it comes to division of assets, the issue of the marital home being excluded from that in a prenup is another issue. Saying "this is how prenups are used" is just circular / tautological. The only reason they are used that way, is because that's what the law specifies. Many people think that the problem is actually the way the law is written, and your point basically ignores that, if n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 03:39 PM
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It takes a lot for a prenup to be valid. You can't just draft something like, "I keep my stuff. She keeps hers. We split the kids with no child support or alimony." Like you're a lawyer. I'm sure you can spot at least three glaring issues with my "prenup", before even looking at all the technicalities of dual counsel and things like that. In almost every state (if not literally every state), it is actually impossibly to draft this into a document that a judge would uphold in court. Yet this is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 02:18 PM
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Are you accounting for the cost of divorce? A lot of men can afford a wedding. Being able to afford a lawyer and to lose 70%+ of your assets and income is another thing though...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 01:30 PM
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This is a statistical outlier though. Like I think I have a pretty good marriage, but I also recognize that I'm lucky in this regard. The idealistic life of a happy, married couple living in a house together, is actually pretty rare, especially for younger people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 01:23 PM
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Sure they do. Maybe not all of them. Maybe it's less socially acceptable as it is for men. But women absolutely do this. There are even memes on like Facebook groups about it talking about superman and other movie stars that women find attractive. Hell I've caught women staring at me in the past, looking down awkwardly when they get caught. I'm not like Jonny Dep or anything, not trying to brag, but it definitely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 08:46 PM
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Basically, a woman can get wet without her being mentally turned on. A man can have an erection without being mentally turned on. Hell, the exact opposite of that is possible, too (women suffer from the same problem with "dry vaginas", whatever the technical term is called).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 08:27 PM
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I think (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a man) that men will see these images and then desire to have sex. That's not how it works with me, yes, I might be turned on, but I do not necessarily want to have sex. Men are the same way. I think there are a lot of assumptions that women make about male sexuality, especially how women are different, that really aren't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 08:22 PM
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Gun related deaths would probably go up quite a bit. You're actually more likely to shoot yourself than you are an attacker (mainly because of how rare violent crime actually is). I'm not anti-gun or anything like that, this just stood out to me. If everyone owned a gun to prevent themselves from being raped, we'd actually have a whole slew of other problems to deal with, like how can we build enough hospitals for all the idiots who are going to shoot themselves lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 06:22 PM
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the line between flirting and harassment is SO difficult to discern It can be, and women very often have this same problem. Men just tend to be more forgiving than the other way around. Plus society tends to shame men a lot more than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 06:04 PM
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When my fiance is mowing the lawn, I suffer guilt from not doing my share. So i have to do something. Even if all the work I do, doesn't entail lifting and sweating. Does it even out? No, it doesn't. Does it have to? Probably not. But the inequality will cause insecurity on the womans part - constantly worried if she really does nothing because her fiance/man sees his work as inherently more superior. Catch my drift? I understand this. My view is literally just from the other side of this, if ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 05:43 PM
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Go back and read my original response to you. I didn't argue with you about any of it. Maybe it wasn't obvious to you (I guess sarcasm is another issue for you?), but that's what my whole contention about you coming back in a combative, disagreeable manner, was about. A lot of women are frankly guilty of this. Especially women who use that kind of rhetoric and language about emotional / mental labor. They're the ones who worry about who does what in a relationship, what's fair, how their 10 minu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 05:30 PM
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You were combative with parent over something that he said in sarcasm. Hell, by the looks of it, you're still arguing with him about it. And all it is, is an argument about semantics lol. Now if you want to acknowledge or say anything about what I wrote, then feel free to. Otherwise, learn when to stop commenting. It's frankly kind of rude to ignore someone's post -- the entire body and point of what they wrote -- only to come back with some kind of snide little comment like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 05:12 PM
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The dishes are not anyone's hobby. Don't assume that because you don't like something, nobody else does either. A few people here have already said they enjoy doing dishes. Hell I enjoy doing dishes. I've never really understood what the fuss about doing them was all about. Also just because you enjoy doing something, doesn't mean it doesn't count as work, or isn't as difficult as something else. Your entire post is basically a non-squitur, and doesn't really have anything to do with what I said…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 05:03 PM
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This is where you and I differ I think, you see the two people in the relationship as competitive adversaries, and I dont. This is stereotypically how women see things, not men. That's why you see all this talk about emotional labor and things like that. Men for the most part don't care, at least not until they start getting nagged or harassed to death. Trust me, I've been in these types of relationships. I know what they entail. I don't really care though if my wife or partner does as much as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 04:57 PM
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Well yeah that kind of work is important. And I'm sure there are households where it falls on one partner because the other isn't interested in doing it. But it is objectively easier then the alternative. "Calling the cleaning lady was so much work. You have things sooo easy when you're the one that cleans and you don't have to worry about getting someone else to do it for you" -- said nobody ever. Also fwiw physical energy necessarily require mental energy. If you're physically tired, you're al…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 02:49 PM
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You think calling someone on the phone and then hanging out at home while you wait on them to show up is difficult? We all get mad at the cable guy who schedules an 8:00-12:00 appointment and then shows up at 2:00, but that's nothing compared to actually doing something around the house...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:58 PM
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I do more of the outdoor work, she does more of the indoor work. We both do a little bit of both. I'd say during the summer I do more work then her, but during the winter she probably does a little more than me. We hire a cleaning lady about once a year for spring cleaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:46 PM
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Some women use sex as a weapon to get their husband to do more work around the house. The assumption is that men do less work than women, and some of those women get fed up with it. That is of course not true: men on average do more work than women do. But it is something I've seen discussed around here. People call it "chore play".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:39 PM
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I fully reject the comparison that inside work is as dangerous or as difficult as outside work. What you're comparing is mowing the lawn vs landscaping, fertilizing the lawn, weed eating, cleaning the gutters, re-staining the deck, replacing the fence, killing a hornets nest, etc. Yes every now and then a house needs a good cleaning and that can take a good amount of time. But outdoor work has similar comparisons. And in both cases, I think outdoor work takes it in terms of difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:34 PM
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I mean, I'd have a lot more sex if I didn't have to work too. Pew consistently shows that men do more total work then women do, and the amount of work that men are doing has gotten larger over the years as women have started working and pushed more of the housework on men. Well now we have marriages where men get more then enough sex, and woman are the ones who want more. In fact, it is now the statical norm. I know in my marriage if I'm too tired, I don't want to have sex. I'm also the one who …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:23 PM
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Exactly. It can be hard to tell if a woman is into you for your money, or because she actually likes you. Nothing causes my blood to boil more then a woman who casually asks you to buy her something like a car or a house. Like I'll get you flowers. But you have to be out of your mind if you think it's ok to ask me to buy you a new car...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:11 PM
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What kind of advice do you have for women then? Women rape men at similar rates as the reverse and some 40%~50% of college age men are sexually molested by a woman be the time they graduate. Women in positions of power, especially involving young children, are some 9 times more likely to rape or molest someone than a man is. Women get away with it far most often than men though, and men are more strongly stigmatised and blamed for it than female victims. Yet nobody wants to talk about what women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 12:54 PM
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Clearly I wasn't talking about you in my post then was I? I believe in personal responsibility and all of that. I just can't help but notice the hypocrisy you see from some of those people, especially people who blame the government for everything. There is actually a sizeable number of people who are like this. You'd have to be blind to not know what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 12:41 PM
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I've seen most of these studies before. If there's a specific one that you think is relevant, feel free to post it. Otherwise I'm calling bs on your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 12:34 PM
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I'm talking about support in a practical and financial sense. Do you need errands run? Is something in your house broken? Do you need your rent covered for a month? Do you need a new cellphone you can't afford? A lot of this emotional support stuff is just made up. Besides, it's woman who are the ones who usually bring their problems to other people, not men. At least in my marriage, I'm always the one keeping my wife half way sane, telling her she looks pretty, to not to worry about that asshol…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 08:30 PM
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Good thing rape is actually as common of an occurrence for men as it is for women. A slightly larger percentage of men rape people compared to women, but it's within literally a couple of percentage points. Men are raped by women at essentially the same rate as the reverse. He might be a little old for a good portion of female rapists though... And also potentially not attractive enough, by his own logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 08:12 PM
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It's actually uglier women who get raped more often. "Lust" is not a common motivator for rape like you're implying. It's usually things like hatred, anger, or dominance that motivate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 08:05 PM
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Not to mention a man losses a whole hell of a lot more in a divorce than the woman does. He might lose, His children His friends His reputation His home His car Most of his belongings Decades worth of savings and retirement A significant portion of his future income His financial and bodily autonomy He might even wind up in jail Etc etc And what has the woman lost? At that point she probably doesn't even like the guy, and likely has no empathy for the destruction that she's created. And with all…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:49 PM
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Most women are being supported, usually by men to one degrees or another. Men on the other hand are expected to support themselves, and have enough excess to support other people, especially other women. That's just how things work. Women never have to worry about wasting their time and money (something that is necessary for survival as a man, but is simply a perk for a woman) on a relationship that doesn't go anywhere. So of course women care less about relationships and breakups than men do. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:43 PM
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Actually your study says nothing of the sort. A breakup is not the same thing as being rejected. And of course men take breakups worse than women. Men are the ones who put in all the work, invest all their time, energy and money, and are the ones who have the most to lose from a breakup. Women are there mostly for the ride and the free food, so they don't care as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:31 PM
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Pretty much. Women try acting like men for an evening, realize how much it sucks, and then quickly give up, going back to the easy, privileged life that they're used to. Like it takes a bit of work. I know that's something that's difficult for a lot of women (and probably something they don't even realize, given how poorly most women empathize with men). But if you actually put in a fraction of the amount of work that most men do, then it would probably have gotten you somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:23 PM
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Then when you ask a girl who has done it before what her experience is, more often than not it's largely negative. If you ask a man the same thing, his response is going to be the same. All she's done is gotten a glimpse into what it's like to be a man. And, rather predictably, she didn't like it. So she goes back to her sheltered, easy / privileged life as a woman, where she doesn't have to experience those sorts of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 06:58 PM
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That's pretty much the impression I get from the "less government" crowd. Like I doubt your personal failings in life were caused by excess regulations or anything like that. But if that's what you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night, then more power to you I guess. That is until they wake up the next day and expect the government to get involved in everyone's personal lives about which bathrooms they can use, who's allowed to get married, how many weeks a woman is allowed to get an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 06:26 PM
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Just curious, but where are you from? I see racism where I live (which is almost exclusively against minorities), as well as sexism that can obviously go both ways. But I gather it must be worse where you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 09:15 PM
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Regarding your research, it simply seems to suggest that men are no longer the heads of households? The research I linked shows that women actively control men in relationships. The point was that if, at some point in the past, men were ever the "head of household" (something that is itself questionable), that dynamic has now shifted 180 degrees towards women. We don't have equality. What we have now are women who are the "head of household" in most relationships. And I don't agree with either s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 08:49 PM
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Bro, for the average guy relationships are a chore. I mean yeah this is true. And it has its own drawbacks. I think it beats the alternative though, or is at least easier. Like I can have sex pretty much whenever I want, without any kind of effort at all. I don't have to plan dates. I don't have to impress her. I don't have to figure out how to get her to like me or want to sex with me. She just already wants to have sex, and will initiate it herself if we go long enough without it. Now it is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 07:51 PM
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Perhaps these pill spaces fill up with higher drive men who are thirsty/horny/plate-spinning and we're over estimating the average male sex drive That's the impression I get around here. It seems like we have a lot of college age kids (maybe even people younger than that) at ages where men are encouraged to have sex, and women are encouraged to try and hold out. At a certain point though, women start "loosening up", and men start caring a lot less about sex. Part of it I'm sure is hormonal, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 07:04 PM
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I didn’t realize how deep the issue ran. Do you live in a western nation? The statistic I posted earlier is a real number (well really it's rounded). I got it from a study referenced in this article, section 2.2: https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/yes-dear-henpecked-husbands-and-one-sided-relationship-dynamics/ A common response from women is that it's just you, or the people in your life, or something like that. But that ignores the ingrained social attitudes that are pervasive thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 06:28 PM
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Well thanks I appreciate it. Now if only we could get more women to own up to the problem and do the right things in life. "Toxic feminism" might be an apt term to start throwing around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 05:13 PM
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You go around calling girls sluts coz they don’t sleep with? That's not what I said. Nice try though. Sorry that those are the kinds of women you’re surrounded with. Considering a solid 85%+ of women are like this, it's really not surprising that any given man would be surrounded by those types of women. Like I said it is a rampant social problem that has deep roots in our misandrist, gynocentric society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 03:48 PM
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They don't call it "the plantation" for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 03:43 PM
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She's an equality feminist, which represents a pretty large portion of the feminist movement. They're also the ones who say that feminism is supposed to help men as well as women (something that you appear to be uneducated about). If anything, you're the one who's being critical of feminism here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 03:16 PM
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Yes there are other people who like to pretend this is true. You're the one who actually pointed that out originally, if you remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 03:14 PM
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And a slut is someone who uses a man for his time, money, and resources (so basically most women on the planet -- it is a rampant problem stemming from unfettered bigotry against men and ingrained misandry at a social / cultural level). What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 03:03 PM
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My understanding is that this is a lot more expensive than sex. You can draw your own conclusions from that if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 03:01 PM
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That's what a "good relationship" is supposed to be though. Hell, you could probably argue if that wasn't what relationships were, that if it didn't amount to a woman taking advantage of a man, using his time, using his money, and sometimes walking away with it, that many women wouldn't want to be in that kind of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 02:38 PM
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How so? Do men prefer to beat the meat than to fuck women? That's just what the study shows. Part of it might have to do with age though. Men tend to lose part of their sex drives as they age, while women tend to become more horny as they age. And the study is about LTRs, with a good percentage being married couples, which to me points to a slightly older cohort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 02:35 PM
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Women are actually more likely to go without their desired amount of sex in a relationship then men are. There's a study I've posted here before that shows that in 50% to 60% of relationships, the woman wants sex more often than the man does. My theory is that regular sex might decrease sex drive in men, and increase it in women. Like when I was dating, I always felt like the woman was, at the very least, holding out, even if she wanted to have sex. But in LTRs, I've found exactly the opposite. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 02:20 PM
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Do you disagree? Because everything else you could think of can be accomplished from a simple friendship. Friends with benefits get sex as a bonus. And friends in relationships get time and resources transferred from one person to the other, sometimes even without the added benefit of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 02:06 PM
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Women also desire sex. It is, after all, a mutually enjoyably activity for both people. Trying to get anything extra out of a man because you're having sex with him is just vain manipulation and plain immoral. Like you might as well just be a prostitute at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 02:01 PM
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There is something far more constructive about building a relationship and a life together than about 30 mins of sweaty gyrating. Sex is a mutually enjoyable activity between two people. Most relationships, on the other hand, amount to men being bossed around and used for their money. Women may try to pretend otherwise. Some may even believe it. But most of it is a form of gaslighting that hides what actually happens in 85%+ of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:56 PM
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Idk dating / chasing women does become a chore after a while. Even if all you care about is sex, there is something to be said about simply having someone you can fuck / goof around with pretty much whenever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:52 PM
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You could even say female entitlement here goes much farther than just wanting a relationship. They also want all your money, all your stuff, and they want to use all of your time and energy on things that they want. Basically, most women are just looking for a male servant to boss around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:47 PM
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I expect a girl to be able to work and support herself (in addition to being educated, but that has more to do with class than money). Women very rarely provide anything for men, even if they can afford to, so relative wealth was of very little importance to me while dating. I just think it's unfair / sexist to expect a man to work and to pay for everything while the woman stays at home and lives off his money, so that was pretty much the standard I went by when looking for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:32 PM
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Everything from the census, the federal reserve, several major financial institutions, as well as academic studies about nagging / henpecking and advertising / marketing. Here are a couple references (or at least basic reading on the topic), both of which cite quite a few primary sources: https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/ https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/yes-dear-henpecked-husbands-and-one-sided-relationship-dynamics/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:26 PM
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Where did I imply it was either identical, or it was zero? Dead you even read or understand what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:19 PM
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Feminists grasping on straws, "how could Trump have won the female vote during the last election?". Is it elitism? Or is it because feminists have simply lost touch with reality? https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-feminism-patriarchy-working-class-women-20161208-story.html
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:14 PM
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Logically it only requires a small difference in biological drive for this to come out. Social stigmas against women, and social pressures towards men also contribute to it though. There's also the argument that men are simply more active and goal oriented than women are. Even if our sex drives were exactly identical, this difference in passivity would likely cause these patterns in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:11 PM
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What is your theory on why it is not reflected in the crime statistics? There is no "theory". It is well documented at this point that the legal definition for rape is incredibly sexist and bigoted towards men. The link that the other guy here posted discussed that, for example (which you clearly were too lazy to bother reading). In many states, women cannot even legally rape men, and female rapists are not required to register as sex offenders. Female rapists are also significantly more likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:05 PM
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This is just ignorant on your part. Black men have things a whole hell of a lot worse than black women do. Research has been indicating this for a very long time, and now even organizations like the ACLU are starting to wake to up it. Feminists have gaslighted this issue for a very long time and have created far more problems for minority men than they ever solved for monitory women. There are even some aspects where minority women have things better than white men do. The black lives matter mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 12:53 PM
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They do not. See here for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main Many men's issues interact with issues for racial minorities. The result is that minority men are doing the worst of any race/gender combination in numerous areas (including homelessness, life expectancy, and incarceration).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 12:44 PM
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Yep this has been studied academically. It's called in-group and out-group biases. Women are far more likely to be biased towards other women than men are to other men. Men mostly don't care about gender. For women though, their entire world basically revolves around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 08:40 PM
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Old news at this point but I posted references several other times in the comments here. Just look around and you'll find it. It's hard to miss given how many times I posted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 08:02 PM
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If there's a man taller than you, she'll leave you and go after him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:55 PM
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The one where we act like women don't ever want to have sex, and every time she does, she's being raped? Yeah that one is a big talking point around here. Stick around a few days and you'll see what I mean. No amount of facts and statistics will ever change their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:51 PM
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So... Dallas, Texas?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:37 PM
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Then what is so confusing here for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:26 PM
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Women expect men to do everything for them. They are selfish and want to be treated like princesses. Why would you expect anything different from a feminist on a larger scale than what you see out of women as individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:26 PM
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Are you even aware of what intersectionality means?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:09 PM
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Some feminists are honest on occasion and recognize the disproportionate inequalities that men face.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:08 PM
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Many groups like this actually "team up" on occasion and are at least sympathetic to each other. A lot of issues that effect black people also effect Asians and other minorities, and on occasional men as well, like when it comes to police brutality and profiling. There are actually some civil rights groups that have recognized examples of discrimination that effect both men and minorities and therefore work together to help minority men as a group. It's nothing but a drop in the bucket at this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 07:06 PM
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Why do some people think that there are people who believe that feminism is about dating advice? Like what kind of deep end have we fallen off here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 06:55 PM
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Yeah that counts as being tall. A lot of girls prefer taller though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 06:53 PM
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It doesn't. I'm not the guy you were responding to though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 06:52 PM
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Don't you love it when they have an attitude and refuse to tell you what's wrong? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 06:51 PM
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People who ride the bus in general are kind of weird. I rode one for close to five years so I know first-hand how awkward some people can be. Most are generally nice / good people and wouldn't ever harm anyone, but that doesn't mean they can't be weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 05:33 PM
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If he's being nice he might say something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:51 PM
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You're at a bus stop. People who ride to bus are usually kind of akward.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:46 PM
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I've dated older women, on purpose, to try an get away from it. As far as I can tell though, most women keep doing these things their entire lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:37 PM
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His height. Make yourself taller and you'll be more desirable. Second to that maybe your facial structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:33 PM
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I had a girl show me dickpicks of previous boyfriends once. Just thinking about it, I've probably had my dick shown to other guys by her at this point lol. She asked for mine and I sent it to her. I feel like it was kind of like a collection to her. "Look at all these dicks I have on my phone".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:29 PM
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By the same token almost every woman has sexually harassed a man. There is a line that you're not supposed to cross but that line is different for everyone (and often different depending on context / circumstance) and sometimes you don't know where it is until you've crossed it. It's really only a problem if you keep pushing once you've found it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:26 PM
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Hardly any girl is going to ask you to send her a dick pic. Every dick pick I've ever sent was "solicited". Your girlfriend will eventually ask for one if you don't send it on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:02 PM
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Modern society showers us with this idea that women are perfect and men are pigs. Even if you've seen counterexamples in real life, the sheer amount of hatred against men that we're exposed to on a daily basis is enough to change your opinions pretty quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:54 PM
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I like how everyone is blaming men for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:50 PM
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You're also underestimating confirmation bias. When you assume every man who talks to you wants to have sex, you're going to see evidence for it everywhere no matter if it's true or not. Kind of like that girl talking about a guy looking at her necklace. Like he might have actually just been looking at her necklace. But she immediately assumes he was looking at her tits. And if she goes around judging men this way her whole life then of course she's going to assume 99% of men just want to have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:38 PM
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Age knocks it off quite a bit. Most studies that look at this show only a small difference in sex drive between men and women. Some even show that in older, more established couples, women sometimes have higher sex drive than their partners. Drugs like Viagra exist for a reason, and have saved more marriages than you probably realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:34 PM
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So, He saw your necklace and was curious about it You're conceited enough to assume he was looking at your tits You answer his question, satisfying his curiosity, so he doesn't say anything else to you I mean maybe he was hitting on you. But maybe he was just being nice or establishing a certain amount of friendliness while waiting on the bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:29 PM
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Women actually control something like 60% of all wealth in the United States directly, and a much larger portion indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:21 PM
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Women actually have more power and control more resources than men do in most Western countries. Women have more money, more assets, more votes, more political power, more economic influence, more cultural / social influence, as well as more influence over households and families than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:18 PM
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Black men have been accused of raping white women for centuries. This is a case where racism and sexism both work against you. Minority men tend to face quite a bit more discrimination than white men and minority women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 04:11 PM
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People who get shot must be doing something wrong If you have the wrong gender (ie, if you're male) or if you have the wrong skin color (ie, if you're not white), then you are in fact more likely to be shot by a rogue police officer. What you might find interesting though is that gender is a more important factor here than race. Men are some 6 times more likely to be harassed by the police, in comparison to women, then minorities are, in comparison to white people. This means that white men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 04:09 PM
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Are you familiar with the role that women historically played and continue to play in promoting the narrative that most men are violent and are potential rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 03:36 PM
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In at least one study, up to 72% of all cases of abuse involved a woman who had a co-offender that was either a man or a woman, with a majority of those cases specifically involving women who co-offended with other women. However a majority of 13 studies in total show a lower number than this. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), for example, found that women and men reported a nearly equal prevalence of nonconsensual sex in a 12-month period (Stemple & Meyer, 2014). Because mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 03:31 PM
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You’re going to need sources for that, because I’m pretty sure neither are true. You don't think it's true because you live in a sexist society that discriminates against and spreads hatred and bigotry towards men. Here is my source though: http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemple-SexualVictimizationPerpetratedFinal.pdf I assume it’s something that disproportionately affects women because that’s what the evidence I have indicates. Only if you look at biases, misandrist sources t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 02:51 PM
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I wonder if they’ve actually ever talked to real women who have experienced sexual assault or abuse. Have you ever talked to real men who have experienced sexual assault or abuse? Men are raped at equal rates as women, and most male victims of rape are raped by women. Why do you assume this is something that disproportionately effects women? Male victims of rape are more strongly stigmatized by it than female victims, and female attackers are more likely to get away with it. In fact, in many pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 02:24 PM
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It could only be higher. 8% are known beyond a reasonable doubt to be false. Some other percentage is known to be true. The actual rate of true and false rape accusations is somewhere in between those two numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 02:08 PM
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The conviction rate for men The conviction rate for women charged with rape is even lower. In fact, in many countries, women usually cannot be legally charged with rape. This is despite the fact that men get raped at equal rates as women, and as many as 48% of rapists are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 02:06 PM
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False rape accusations are higher than false accusations for other crimes though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 02:01 PM
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8% is kind of like the minimum percentage that are false. The actual rate is likely much higher than this, but it's difficult to prove exactly how high.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 02:00 PM
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I wonder what the rate of false accusations against women is. Men are raped at equal rates as women, and most male victims of rape are raped by women. So if false accusations are somehow "accidental" or otherwise a problem associated with the real crime, then false accusations against women should be similarly common as false accusations against men. I don't get the impression that this is the case though, which to me is fairly telling about how honest both genders are about the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 01:54 PM
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Black men have been accused of raping white women for centuries. This is a case where racism and sexism both work against you. Minority men tend to face quite a bit more discrimination than white men and minority women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 01:49 PM
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The FBI statistics for provable false accusations (where the acuser had a motive, and did it knowingly and on purpose) put most crimes at 2%. False, purposeful rape accusations make up 8% of all cases though. So the rate of false accusations for rape is at least 4 times higher than it is for other categories of crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 01:42 PM
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If we spent half as many resources helping men as we did women, the homelessness problem would be solved overnight. It is absolutely the result of a society that cares more about women than it does men. And I guarantee if the problem was reversed, women would be shouting discrimination and patriarchy left and right until we solved it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 07:54 PM
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The man didn't choose to be born in a society that grants privilege to women and discriminates against men though. Your logic is akin to blaming a black person for having a higher mortgage rate on his home ("you didn't have to buy a house"). Domestic violence by women against men is as common as the reverse, including domestic violence that results in serious injuries, and men are raped equally as often as women, with most men being raped by female attackers. And yet the conversation is about wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 07:25 PM
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I'm sure it's hit or miss. The cops are notoriously useless in general, but women are usually treated better than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 06:52 PM
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When men are victims of violence its usually by men Not in the context of rape and domestic violence. Most male victims of rape and domestic violence have female attackers. And the rate of domestic violence and rape against men is as high as it is against women (by some metrics it is even higher). Men are more strongly stigmatized by it though, and female attackers are more likely to get away with it. In fact, in many places, women cannot be legally prosecuted for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 06:46 PM
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Have you ever been hit over the head by a lamp or a brick? I don't care if you're stronger or weaker than the person hitting you, if they get the first strike in, they're going to win the fight. Many studies actually show a greater incidence of men being seriously injured by women than the reverse. Maybe some of it comes from men not initially defending themselves (in 70% of nonreciprocal cases, the perpetrator is female) but it's clearly an issue and not one to be taken lightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:32 PM
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I still think both sexes should be treated equally in the eyes of the law. Absolutely. Unfortunately many male victims of domestic violence actually end up getting arrested when they ask for help, and as a result many men fail to seek help over fears that people will believe the woman and not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:23 PM
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I don't think it's quite that simple. Men wind up severely injured at the hands of angry girlfriends and wives on a daily basis. This kind of rhetoric does nothing but downplay the severity of domestic violence, and is why men have very few resources to turn to when they are abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:03 PM
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The study specifically said that women in juvenile centers are 9 times as likely to rape underage children as male staff. What you're probably looking at is a staff or sample size that is 44% female.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:30 PM
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Maybe not. But how often do you hear about boys being raped by older women? The data doesn't lie. Many victims, including young boys, even end up owing, and going to prison, over child support that they are ordered to pay to their attackers. And it's not like society is completely oblivious to it. We openly laugh about it, and call the boys "lucky" for getting action from older women. You might even call it a "rape culture".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 03:49 PM
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The problem is that men are unfairly profiled and targeted by the police. And most people, especially women, have bigoted views towards men when it comes to rape and violence. Fact: Men are raped at equal rates as women, and most male victims of rape are raped by women. Fact: Women report an equal willingness and desire to rape people as men do. Fact: In positions of power, especially in positions of power over young children, women are more likely to rape people than men are. Fact: Female rapis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 03:21 PM
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It's still clearly an issue that needs to be fixed. Yes you can protect yourself from it, but the fact that it's an issue to begin with is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 03:03 PM
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Why are you assuming that this is an issue that disproportionately affects women? Men are raped at equal rates as women, and most male victims of rape are raped by women. In juvenile prisons, female prison staff are 9 times as likely to assult or rape an underage child than a man is. Meaning that when it comes to children, it is likely that women are more predatorial than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 03:00 PM
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48% of rapists in the United States are women. Men are raped at equivalent rates as women, and most men who are raped are raped by women. Adult women report an equal willingness and desire as men to rape people. Male victims of rape, especially male victims of female rapists, are a grossly underreported and underrepresented cohort due to decades of misandrist legal definitions over what "counts" as rape. This includes myths about male rape victims actually wanting to be raped, and unfair police …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:49 PM
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"Was what he did wrong?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:42 PM
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Cops actually take threats and crimes against women very seriously. They're pretty well useless if you have something stolen from you, but if you report a stalker they'll come and investigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:36 PM
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Male homelessness is a huge issue around the world. Men living in Western countries don't have the same rights and privileges that most women have, so unfortunately a lot of men end up being left behind by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:31 PM
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1) Have you ever seen a woman hit at home or in your friends/family? Did she "deserve" it and why? 2) Were the cops involved? How did it resolve? Was it repeated? No and no. 3) Have you ever seen a woman hit in public? Did you pull out your hero cape and jump in? Did someone else who wasn't required to (bouncer, cop, etc) and appeared to be a stranger to the parties intervene? I saw a woman being punched by another woman. She was pregnant and was getting punched in her stomach. By the time I rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:17 PM
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Rapists don't commit their crimes because they are horny or lustful. That is a myth that was debunked a long time ago. In fact, unattractive women are target at greater rates than attractive women, which wouldn't be the case if this were true. Most men actually want their woman to enjoy and want to have sex with them. That is a big part of the male ego and is why we talk about starfishing and why men are always concerned with whether their partner came or not. I highly doubt raping someone would…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 01:43 PM
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Do women sexually assault people in the same numbers that men do? 48% of all rapists are women. There are a lot more female teachers than there are male teachers. Who commits the majority of sexual abuse or assault of students? By some indicators your child is more likely to be assaulted by a female school teacher than a male school teacher. Data on this topic is lacking, as is indicated by the sources that I posted, that you obviously didn't bother to read. But yes women appear to be just as da…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 01:32 PM
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Yes rape is hilarious. Famous words from Atlas.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 01:26 PM
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This study actually goes over consensual or coerced sex vs non-consensual rape in prisons if you want to look at it. And it's not just women raping men in male prisons. Women also rape other women in female prisons, and they in fact do so at a higher rate than the male prison guards at those same female prisons (meaning if you're a woman who is in prison, it's the female prison guards you need to watch out for more than the male prison guards). The rate isn't quite a factor of 9 in those circums…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 09:34 PM
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This study has absolutely nothing to do with the armed forces That's what my point is. We don't actually know that male soldiers are more likely to rape people than female soldiers. Many people assume this is the case because of a preconceived bigotry against men (bigotry that you yourself appear to be guilty of), but data from other areas indicates that it's likely not true and that female soldiers would have been just as bad as male soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 09:21 PM
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Official numbers have been off for decades because of sexist and biased legal definitions for rape. When you define rape for what it actually is in the real world, not the misandrist government definition, it turns out that female rapists are just as common as male rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 09:17 PM
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Had women been in the military at the same rate as men, you would have likely seen the same thing. Women are quick to abuse power when they are given it. And now that we're finally accepting that a woman who forces a man to penetrate her is a rapist (something that we've denied as a society because of decades of biased, anti-male legal language when it comes to the definition of rape), we're coming very close to gender parity in official government numbers concerning incidences of rape. So would…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:52 PM
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It's very possible. Especially once you throw POWs into the mix. After all, female prison staff are more likely to rape inmates than male prison staff are. The difference in propensity seems to be one of capability moreso then it does any kind of difference in desire to want to rape. In fact, among adults, women report a willingness or desire to rape at equal rates that men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:42 PM
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I disagree with what you're saying so I'm going to cover my ears and pretend you don't have valid points. Well ok then. I appreciate your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:39 PM
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If women had been in the military at the same rate as men, you would have likely seen the exact same thing though. In fact, by some indicators, women are actually worse than men when it comes to sexually abusing or raping other people. This is especially true when women are put into positions of power and authority, like what you might see in the military. When it comes to prison guards abusing their inmates, for example, women are some 9 times more likely than men to rape or sexually abuse an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:19 PM
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So just because a soldier has sex with someone he's necessarily a rapist? Women in Iraq and Afghanistan actually walk up to military bases and put their butts up along the fences to have sex with American soldiers. I guess you think they were somehow forced to do that though. And I guess you think female rapists either don't exist, or are incredibly rare, even though 48% of all rapists are likely women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:01 PM
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I wonder what the response would be if asked the other way around. Some women are afraid of being raped but apparently men are equally likely to be raped as women, and a majority of those men report being raped by women. In fact, 48% of all rapists are likely female. Female perpetrators reportedly bit, slapped, and hit male victims. In some cases female college students got on top of aroused men and forced the men to penetrate them. One male victim wrote, “Alcohol was involved. She undressed me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 07:47 PM
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When put into a position of power and authority, women are more likely to abuse that power, even to rape someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 07:33 PM
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In the real world you might be cautious, but it is dishonest, and like I said, sexist, to pretend that men are violent and want to hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 07:32 PM
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I guess you didn't read it? In juvenile corrections facilities, female staff are also a much more significant threat than male staff; more than nine in ten juveniles who reported staff sexual victimization were abused by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 06:47 PM
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It's sexist to pretend that most men would hurt you if given a chance to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 06:44 PM
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Sure. The tldr is that our conceptions about rapists are based on biased, misandrist definitions of rape, that exclude most female rapists on a legal level. When you broaden the definition of rape to include "made to penetrate", the numbers start looking a whole lot different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 06:22 PM
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Women are more likely to rape someone than men are, when put into positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 06:12 PM
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The motivation behind rape is not, "she's pretty so I want to have sex with her". In fact, uglier, less desirable women are more likely to be raped than attractive women. I'm not sure what the psychology behind it is (something to do with "power" or "anger"), but what you're talking about is known to be false. Also on the topic, the number of women believed to have raped someone is almost as high as the number of men who have done the same. Male rapists usually wind up with a bunch of victims an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 05:47 PM
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Women, when put in positions of power, do tend to be a little worse than men in those same positions. Now some of that might have to do with the history of power on this planet, but it does prove that woman aren't inherently any better than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 05:33 PM
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Apparently she's just incredibly sexist and not capable of having an honest discussion around here...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 05:26 PM
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Pretty much. You might as well say, 100% of women would hurt a man given the right circumstances. It's like people just aren't interested in answering the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 05:22 PM
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The guy you're responding to (Mr_Smoogs, the one who's username is blue) is the one who asked the question originally. You're either framing your answer wrong, or you just don't like his question. Either way it's not an issue of him framing his question wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 05:17 PM
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I remember when I first tried online dating I got a bunch of "hits" and started talking to a bunch of women whom I wanted to set up dates with. My conundrum was, do I set up multiple dates with multiple people, and would a girl that I liked see that a "cheating"? Mind you this was like 10 years ago. But the response I got from everyone was, "she'll see it as cheating if you do it to her, but if she does it to you, she won't see it as cheating". I know a lot of women might argue that it's fair ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:53 PM
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The questions: "How can morality be applied to dating?" People's answers: Various responses about dating and ethics. The OP: "LOL I got ya! It's trick question! Morality isn't a real thing! You guys are all stupid for thinking otherwise!" Take this one to /r/iamverysmart
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:18 PM
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Certainly you see the logical problems with your posts, or do you not believe that logic is a real thing either? Your question is basically, "how can morality be applied to dating?" And your answer is, "lol I got ya! It's trick question! Morality isn't a real thing!" Like I appreciate that you have a strong philosophical position about morality, but you're being a bit disingenuous in how you're presenting that opinion. FWIW I have no strong opinions about ethics either. But I can still discuss i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:13 PM
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Many non religious people accept the idea of ethical standards, and many religious people do not (in fact I think Buddhism specially argues that good and bad are an illusion). I don't see how any of this is relevant here though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:39 PM
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Is this a CMV all the sudden? All I'm saying is that "being an ass" is unethical in how most people interpret ethics. Whether or not you believe in ethics is a whole other issue and is honestly something that's not really a topic for this board. Try /r/philosophy if that's what you're interested in talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:36 PM
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If you're not going to engage with people in an honest manner then don't post anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:23 PM
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I'd say being an ass to someone is unethical. I won't get into philosophy or say that it is universally true (in fact I'm sure they're are cases where it isn't) or that everyone necessarily believes it. But in a general sense I think you know what we're talking about, regardless of the technicalities or pedantics of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:19 PM
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Do you not believe in being a good person?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:15 PM
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I've met plenty of cops who were good people. Sure there are some bad eggs in the police. I'll even give you that there are probably more bad eggs in the police than the general public. But there are also more police in total who are good people then otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 02:38 PM
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Yeah especially how you don't understand what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 02:29 PM
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I'm not really sure what your housework point is? If I'm living with a man and we both work and we both pay for things, no shit I expect him to do an equal amount of work? Where's the expectation that women do an equal amount of work as men? By and large, men do a hell of a lot more than women do. I can tell you this as a matter of a fact, as a married man, and the stats from places like Pew Research back me up 100% on this. The amount of hypocrisy that you hear from women about this is absolute…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 02:12 PM
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Maybe. It's not just advertising though. If you're a guy and want to buy something, there's a good chance that it's been designed more for a woman than it has for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 09:50 PM
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I guess to add to the car thing, have you never heard that most of the commercial industry in general focuses on women? It's not just fashion, or men's underwear, it's basically everything. Women have more money and assets than men, whether single or married, and when married they tend to control most of the purchasing decisions. Husbands hand over or otherwise spend billions of dollars every year to keep their wives happy. See: https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/ T…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 09:28 PM
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I'd have to do some research but I could see the test dummy thing. The auto market is very much becoming centered around women though. There has been a lot of noise about that in the industry recently, especially after the driving ban in Saudi Arabia was lifted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 09:02 PM
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For instance, I only just discovered that women experiencing heart attacks can often have very differing symptoms to the men. But most advice, most warnings signs etc are pointed to the pain in arm and chest. And that can be damaging to women and potentially life threatening cause they don’t know signs to look for. I already knew that and I'm a guy. I think I saw it on a TV "show" at the doctor's office. I'm curious about the car design thing though. Is it a size issue or what? A lot of cars now…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 08:45 PM
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I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that that first comment wasn’t condescending. I'm not. I can see why it could come across that way though. As for the rest, then I may have been wrong in the calorie counter aspect. As I said, if there’s evidence to refute it then I’m open to it. I already posted references showing this. You can also look it up yourself on Google. They overestimate women by as much as 30% and underestimate men by as much as 30%. I still believe there’s a hidden gender data…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 07:59 PM
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I'll give you kudos for reading a book. And the study may or may not be perfect. The authors are pretty open about that. But the studies that they use are not biased towards men. The averages they use are, if anything, slightly biased towards woman. But that's just because the research ages as the population gets larger. Depending on the activity, they use average weights anywhere between 150 and 160 pounds, which is slightly lower than the actual average for 2019, and is actually closer to wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 07:36 PM
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I have zero expectations of men believing a word I say Well you shouldn't because what you're saying is demonstrably false. It took me less than 5 minutes on Google to see if what you were saying was true or not. Like why would you expect people to side with you in this case? I’m sure when you read a book, you take notes of every single study mentioned though. Kudos to you. If it's a reputable book then maybe not, but if I'm arguing something on a debate sub, I'm going to look for references tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 07:21 PM
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It's impossible to accurately measure things like calories burned just from the spinning of a treadmill. It's more of a baseline saying "this is burning more calories" "this is burning less" For anybody who's curious and doesn't want to spend 5 minutes on Google, the standard that workout machines use is roughly in between the average for men and women, meaning it overestimates how many calories are burned for women, and underestimates how many are burned for men. The latest standards can be fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 07:15 PM
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Well I looked it up myself. Something you could have easily done if you weren't being so dismissive about the whole thing. The standard that these machines use come from this group: https://sites.google.com/site/compendiumofphysicalactivities/home The latest standards can be found here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10993420 They use a standard weight somewhere between 150 and 160 pounds with a BMI roughly in between the average man and average woman. This means they tend to underestimate c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 07:05 PM
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You need an actual, factual reference, from a reputable journal. Something like a university or government study. Basically you need the source that your book used, assuming that the author didn't just make it up. Which is entirely possible given the book that you're quoting from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 06:51 PM
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Well I don't know if this is another "mistake" in your numbers but the average weight of an adult in North America is 177 pounds, more than the 160 pounds you posted earlier, which would actually mean that they cater to women, not men. Either way you're going to need some kind of factual reference to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 06:47 PM
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Well, I think you're missing my point then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 06:44 PM
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The average man isn't even 6 foot tall so this really doesn't make any kind of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 06:32 PM
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I don't think this is "catering to men". It's just easier and more practical to give too much food than not enough. If you give too much, you can just eat less (easier said than done, I know.... I agree with the OP on this point). But if you have guests leaving hungry, people will complain, and they won't come back. So it's not a conspiracy so much as it is an unintended consequence of the way things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 06:28 PM
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Do you really think any woman wanted to be a man's unicorn? If it meant living the idyllic, carefree, privileged lifestyle of a 1950s housewife then they probably did.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 06:00 PM
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To add to this, some research does show consistent advantages to women. Like when it comes to memory and recall, women appear to have a small advantage. But of course the opposite is true for other things, like when it comes to mathematical aptitude, for example. And it's not just the shape of the bell curve. The averages for men do tend to be slightly higher than they are for women. Of course the average differences are small, and in-group variations are larger than the differences between grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 05:48 PM
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You think I'm not aware of any of this? This is standard feminist rhetoric that is repeated over and over again. Rhetoric that everyone knows about and that everyone is generally working towards fixing. Again, the difference is that male issues are unacknowledged and largely ignored. I guarantee that every man, woman, and child knows the problems that women complain about. But I guarantee you couldn't list a fraction of the problems that men face without looking it up first. If you really believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 02:49 PM
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I really don't get what your point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 08:13 PM
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I think it's ridiculous that men are the ones who are expected to put in all the work to begin with. Like at a certain point you'd think women would look around and realize how selfish they are and how unfairly they treat the men in their lives, but most seemingly don't ever look at the world outside of their own little bubble to ever consider something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 08:12 PM
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The difference is that most of the inequalities that women face are either being addressed (many having already been fixed), are grossly exaggerated, or are simply not true. Meanwhile there are actual laws that overtly discriminate against men in ways that feminists would probably start WW3 over. And for the most part, they're either ignored, denied altogether, or are seen as a form of retribution against men. Things might not be perfect for either gender, but women are far more privileged than …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 07:56 PM
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Do you have a point or anything to back up what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 07:43 PM
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There's that study showing that women divorce more often when they're younger than when they're older, which has been widely interpreted to mean that younger women are more confident in their ability to "marry up". Male divorce trends don't show anything like that IIRC.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:27 PM
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In fairness I'm a guy and I've never been to a strip club. It's trendy nowadays for women to go though. The guys who go, go a lot, but there are probably more women total who have been at least once than there are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:10 PM
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This is what we're responding to. They got a similar line in animal farm. Some are more equal than others. Yfw Orwell got to all the best doublethink phrases first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:04 PM
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You've obviously never been a parent before.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:02 PM
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Yeah but this has been around a lot longer than the incel stuff. It's also usually just a way for women to make fun of men ("no such thing as nice guys", etc). There are more women using it as a outlet for misandry than there are men who actually believe that kind of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:01 PM
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I think it's a kind of escape from their regular, less than ideal lives. It gets them thinking about something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 04:32 PM
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Because society acts like women are perfect and men are defective. And because women are the better sex, they aren't supposed to care about looks the way men do. Many women actually repeat this narrative. And a lot of men are none the wiser about it. After having been shamed their entire lives for being born as the wrong gender, most men just assume that it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 04:28 PM
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I doubt it is the same kind of feeling but I understand that you have days where you do not think it many times a day. Most men cannot remember those days. There's actually a classic study that you learn about in psychology where this professor got a bunch of college students and asked them how often they thought about sex. And of course all the young college boys who were surrounded by revealing, slutty looking women all day long, reported thinking about sex every couple of minutes or something…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 04:24 PM
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It’s basically “so what do you do?” and not in the context of friendly conversation but with the motive of judging your means to provide the life she is unwilling to provide herself. Couldn't have said it better myself. Men weren't put on this planet to be their slaves. For women to not "understand" this just shows how conceited and self-important so many of them are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 04:13 PM
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Probably every woman I know would go to one, and some have even suggested it before. Some even like going to regular strip clubs. One girl I know brags about going to one and touching the strippers inappropriately.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 03:21 PM
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To add to this: has noone ever gone to those meme groups on Facebook full of women posting shit about pulling their hair or smacking their butts? IRL women are incredibly thirsty, especially as they get older. Most of the women I know probably have a higher sex drive than me. It just doesn't show as often in society because women are passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 03:15 PM
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Maybe not explicitly. But this is a very common pattern among women that goes back close to 100 years now. Women want all of the things that men have, but don't want to put in any of the work or accept any of the downsides or responsibilities that go along with it...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 03:02 PM
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Men are more likely to be targeted and victimized than women are. I'm not saying that women aren't irrationally fearful, or that men aren't irrationally confident, but factually speaking you have a lot less to worry about than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:56 PM
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People are just pointing out wide spread hypocrisy / double standards that are put out in mass by women against men. You just happen to be the messenger at this point. Whether or not you're one of the women and are actually hypocritical yourself, people are going to direct it towards you for pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:54 PM
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There was that book written by a feminist where she pretend to be a man for several months. She ended up being incredibly sympathetic to men while becoming less sympathetic towards women as a result of her experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:32 PM
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Yeah it's insane how sexist our society is. On the one hand we have a bunch of privileged white women pretending to be victims, and on the other hand we have actual laws and actual social discrimination against men. Not this made to stuff that feminists like to pretend is real, but actual, written-into-law, anti-male social standards that you can see all around you on a day to day basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:23 PM
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I know a guy who's unemployed and has had a girl taking care of him for at least three years now. He also cheats on her. And she knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:19 PM
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I actually know a guy like this IRL. I'm not sure if he's really charming or if his girlfriend is just desperate but it is something that happens. He has two kids with her and plays video games all day long while she works. He does technically take care of the kids but that's nothing compared to working a full time job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:15 PM
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Op actually said that though earlier. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/c24k25/comment/erhl3um
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:10 PM
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Honestly this guy exists at parties and he's usually pretty popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 02:07 PM
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You forgot your /sarcasm tag. Some people here might take that comment seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 01:50 PM
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Speaking of related terms, since when is "nice guy" an incel term?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 01:47 PM
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You mean how subs like r/killingpeople, r/eatingpeople, r/killingbabies, etc, all exist on Reddit? Not sure if those are the right addresses but they all have communities here. Look up a list of crazy / deranged things on Reddit. Incels don't even get an honorable mention lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 01:45 PM
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and in the case that one partner starts acting in a way that hurts or makes the other partner uncomfortable they later decide that they don't like the person they can revoke that consent Fixed that for you. The point of the app was to normalize asking for consent while making it fun and socially acceptable to do. The fact that feminists are against that idea is incredibly hypocritical. It's like they want to perpetuate this myth of a "rape culture" while actively snuffing out anything that would…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:43 PM
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There is an app you can download that records both partners consenting to have sex. The idea behind it was to help prevent false rape accusations. Well wouldn't you know it that a lot of women, and feminists in general, protested against the app. So of course it's counterintuitive. But that's literally what the problem is, and is what a lot of men are complaining about when they say that, "women aren't reasonable".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:15 PM
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The link has stats as to how many companies ban it outright. It's been increasing over the years but it's still a minority of business. Nothing personal or anything like that though. I know it's common, and the stats show that it's common. I still can’t see why any company would have affirmative consent as part of any employee training, anti fraternization policy or not I've never been to any kind of anti-harrasment seminar or anything like that in my entire career. Usually you just sign a piece…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 07:57 PM
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generally speaking most corporate policies do have some sort of anti fraternization policy This might be true between bosses and employees, but I don't think it usually applies to everyone. Fwiw, the second most common place that people meet each other is though work. 22% of married couples met at work, vs 33% who met online. https://www.bamboohr.com/blog/8-workplace-romance-facts-need-know-right-now/ According to the link, most companies have policies about office romance concerning things like…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 07:27 PM
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I was thinking of your general corporate employee policy and culture In the US there a lot of companies that have contractors and people like that who kind of work for the company, but don't get benefits and things like that. Either way, saying that "most" companies have policies against dating co-workers is a bit of a stretch. That usually only applies to bosses dating their employees. And even when that happens, they usually just move people around after the fact to comply with the rule. I act…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 06:43 PM
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Most Some workplaces have anti fraternization policies. It's common but so too are workplaces that don't have them. And then you have to factor in contractors, "temp" workers, that guy who's here all the time but technically only works for the marketing agency, etc. I forget what the exact statistic is, but it's something like, "most married couples met each other at work".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 04:23 PM
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Go back and read the op it's a question for x post. Most people answered correctly. Yours on the other hand belongs under the automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 01:04 AM
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I don't know who has the higher standard dude. I buy the argument about height vs diet (men can't make themselves taller), but frankly I'm just happy I don't have to wear makeup. But then neither does my wife most of the time lol. She actually doesn't need it. It has something to do with the type of skin she has.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 12:20 AM
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Yes! You’ve got it! It’s a small messed up minority of women just like the small messed up minority of men who willfully distort female attraction to make it more cartoonish and distorted than it is. Buff Hollywood movie stars do represent that ideal though. It is not a distortion. Like maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger or Dwayn Johnson take it too far, but most actors that women go crazy for are muscular. Also women who starve themselves into a skeleton know that men don't like that. It's a mental di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 11:23 PM
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I don't know I think it's a given that men don't like skeletons, and I doubt very many women are taking it this far, or are even successful enough to get that far. Are there some poor messed up anorexic girls out there? Sure. But it's a small minority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 08:41 PM
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You're not even making any sense right now honestly. I just know you're trying to say that skinny guys, some of whom might be famous, are somehow more attractive than muscular guys. And I'm here to tell you that you're wrong. The existence of skinny famous people does not disprove this. There are famous fat women out there but you don't see anybody here arguing that being fat is what the female beauty standard is. Like seriously just go out to the movies, bring some chicks, some female friends i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 08:08 PM
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My point was that the dehydrated uber cut gym look is not female driven, So you think it's driven by a small percentage of gay people? Like I'm not here to complain. I know that beauty standards are pretty crazy regardless of gender. But to say that these guys somehow aren't representative of what women find attractive is insane. It's almost like you've never met a woman before, or maybe you don't even know what a woman is (they're those people walking around who have boobs). That's how deluded …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 07:49 PM
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Depends on how skinny. I'd say muscular > fit / skinny > overweight. Like yeah girls like skinny guys but it's not like being skinny is the pinnacle of male attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 07:39 PM
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Nah sweetie. Those guys are purely for gay men and aspirational gym steroid cases. Women like a more natural, but still impressive physique. Women go crazy in movie theatres when some of those actors take their shirts off. Some go to the movies just for those scenes specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 07:33 PM
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I'm arguing against this idea that relationships shouldn't take work, and that if they do, it somehow counts as "slavery". Seems like a pretty big double standard to me and just not realistic to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 07:21 PM
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It's not a hard science. Well, there are a lot of people who plain don't know that it counts as science at all. But yeah I know what you mean about people only caring about "hard sciences".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 07:19 PM
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I mean, if you work just at the PC and get 6 figure from that, it'll help attract mostly golddiggers. The difference between a golddigger and a woman who wants "stability" or a "provider" is really just semantics. Finding someone completely outside of that spectrum is going to be difficult no matter what kind of strategy you use.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:08 PM
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I definitely used to get a lot of attention or "SMV" (before I was married) because of my career. It was mainly the money or the association with money, which was kind of hard to hide (working late hours, showing up on dates with a suite / tie, etc). Women were always impressed though, and they would show me off to their friends. I remember this one girl I was dating set up a series of circumstances, on purpose, where I had to pick her up from a friends house still driving a company car. And of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:09 PM
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Automod
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:50 PM
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This belongs under the automod. You're not directly addressing the OP's question, you're just making a comment about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:49 PM
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Are we? Parent is the one who posted this topic. That's why his username is blue. It's his / her choice what we're talking about here. And if he's saying that you're wrong about what we're taking about, then you're wrong, end of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:31 PM
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Since when is STEM dominated by conservatives? Most stem fields are actually fairly progressive and liberal. That's why they're always looking to add women, and it probably helps explain why women working for tech companies tend to make more money than their male counterparts (years of "fixing the wage gap" at these companies have made it flip completely around against men). Maybe your civil engineers fall on the right, or your two year community college auto / mechanical people, but most proper…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:22 PM
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History is actually a science and many historians will vehemently defend that statement. It's not just a collection of dates and facts but is an evolving field that generates models and predictions and tries verify those predictions. Same thing with medicine and a few other fields that we generally don't associate with science.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:18 PM
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Excuse me? I laid out my argument. I think it's a pretty good argument. If you have nothing productive to add or respond with, then you have no business saying anything to me about it. Just admit that you were wrong, that you've lost the debate, and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:03 PM
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Are you a woman? Because what you're saying would, quite ironically, be proof of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 03:49 PM
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Common sense and factual evidence both contradict this. Women tend to be extremely controlling and generally expect to get their way all the time. I don't think it's fair that men get treated this way but unfortunately society cares more about women than it does about men, so women never get called out on this obviously sexist and abusive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 03:18 PM
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Women who take advantage of men are clearly not doing the right thing and I think it's fair to question their moral integrity. A man having sex with an attractive or "easy" women is not on any level similar to this. We're talking about vain manipulation on the one hand, and consensual, mutually enjoyable sex on the other. Just because the attractive or easy woman wasn't able to use sex to manipulate and take advantage of an otherwise decent, hard working man, does not mean that said man has done…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 12:07 PM
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Just trying to help is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 12:03 PM
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Relationships take work. I feel like this is something that a lot of women don't understand. They expect the man to do everything and to be responsible for her happiness. The real world isn't like this though and frankly it's kind of ridiculous to expect this out of a man. Men don't expect anything like this out of women. Why is it that women feel entitled to expect it out of a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 11:56 AM
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Considering that women are usually the more demanding gender that nags and hassles instead of letting things go, there is actually a much better argument to be made that men are the ones who are turning into slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:05 PM
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That mentality is probably why you're single. If all you care is about is how much work you're doing vs how much work your partner is doing, then you're going to end up overestimating how much you're doing, and underestimating how much your partner is doing. Sometimes you just have to do what you think needs done, let your partner do what he / she thinks needs done, and then forget about who's doing more or less. It's a lot less stressful and leads to a lot less resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:59 PM
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I'm sure it happens to some people. Maybe it even happened to you. If it did, I'm sorry, because that is pretty shitty. But the data on this is clear. That is not normal. Men still spend more time working than women do. That means longer shifts, more overtime, and less time off. That applies even to couples where they both work: Full time work for a woman is still less then what full time work for a man is. And that extra time, on average, tends to be more than any amount of extra time that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:10 PM
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What I am calling “slavery” is when the woman carried the kids, scarified her cute body doing so, spends more time raising them, spends more time homemaking, makes the same or more as him, works the same hours or more as him... that is why I was referring to as the short end of the daily labors stick. This does not happen though. Even when both the man and the women work, men on average still spend more time working and doing chores than women do. The old days where men worked a job and women di…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:01 PM
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The UK study did not, and I repeat, DID NOT include shift lengths, time off, and overtime in the study. Men work considerably longer hours than women do, across the board, and these extra hours more than offset the amount of time that women spend doing laundry and things like that. This is a FACT and you cannot weasel your way out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 07:48 PM
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Ok, and the pew study showed mostly the same thing. Where are the hours that men spend doing longer shifts at work and extra overtime in comparison to women though? And where are the hours spent doing yardwork and home maintenance in the UK study? The latter might not be as much of a thing in the UK with their flat apartments / low maintenance townhouses and a lack of yard space, but in the US that definitely adds up. When you include everything, not just the "unpaid" portion, men put in more ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 07:30 PM
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