FlyingSwords Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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6	More excellent work by the so called 'equality' movement. I take issue to the fact that not only can all-men’s schools not exist without getting harassed into oblivion by feminists In the US, there are 66 men's colleges. Most of the colleges are Jewish, and are in New York City, so that really boosts the numbers. Some Christian colleges too.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	14/02/21 01:44 AM
2	Why "moderate" feminists need to speak up and fight the misandry in their ranks. And then I link to two thousand five hundred examples of feminists doing exactly that And then I find two thousand five hundred more examples of the most prominent and well-respected feminists around saying exactly the same thing, Do you have these lists? I wanna see them!	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	05/02/21 06:02 PM
0	Anyone who uses instagram here should really check this page out. It touches the nerve with my problem with terms like 'toxic masculinity' The post is claiming that there is a common disparity in the way the gender-related issues of two groups (women and men) are presented and discussed, including via the common terminology used. Of course that's the claim, but there was no evidence presented so I don't know what to do with that. I can only engage with the argument. I'm assuming you disagree that this is so. I'm skeptical that it is so, and these Instagram presentations only push me to be more so. Both social phenomena work on both…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/02/21 10:13 PM
9	Anyone who uses instagram here should really check this page out. It touches the nerve with my problem with terms like 'toxic masculinity' When "society is at fault", isn't that millions of cases of "individuals are at fault"? When a lot of "individuals are at fault", aren't a lot of individuals living together... society? What they've done here is they chose one zoom level to look at one social phenomenon and a different zoom level to look at another. You can prove whatever you like using this fallacy: Steve is addicted to cigarettes, society is to blame because Steve felt pressure from his peers to start smoking. Tom is addicted …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/02/21 06:54 PM
0	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing As for TM, I deliberately said that TM was incubated, not developed, within feminist discourse. You used both words. We'll never know what might have happened if a men's movement had steered the discussion and evolved the use of the term. It means the same thing today than it did then, hardly an evolution. It was during the rise of #metoo and increasing attention to male sexual harassers and female victims. Yeah! They used the language that was already there. Made it big. But it wasn't coined by…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/01/21 03:57 AM
0	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing You're giving them too much credit for coming up with this master plan. "Don't forget to only repeat these terms that already exist that reinforce our view of a villain male and innocent female, and don't use these terms that don't exist so there's no reason to use them anyway?"	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/01/21 03:41 AM
1	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing Again, you're giving Feminism too much credit. The idea of "internalized misogyny" is ancient and long pre-dates any Feminist. The term TM was invented by a men's movement in the 80s or 90s and took off. Neither term was "developed" by Feminism, they study them and use them, but the terms aren't theirs, they're just using the language that's already around them. You know, like how all people do. Realising this is the case is not a victimhood narrative, Reading the comment I was replying to would…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/01/21 03:21 AM
2	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing I think you're giving feminism too much credit. I don't think anyone planned it this way. It makes for a lovely victimhood narrative, but given what I know about how phrases actually come about etymologically, it's more likely that these were invented by entirely different people at different times and they gained traction independently. Even if the person who invented TM also invented TF, there's no guarantee they'd both take off and get adopted into the lexicon. People just don't control langu…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/01/21 02:17 AM
1	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing No, they're socio-economic and I never implied otherwise. This tactic of "You said black are a racial group that exist of people IMPLYING their problems are genetic" is transparently bad faith.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/01/21 01:38 AM
-1	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing "Masculinity" is not the same as "blackness" because masculinity is a social construct while black is a race, so it's a social critique rather than a critique based on gender.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/01/21 12:36 AM
-3	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing I can imagine lots of contexts where "talking about gang culture" isn't racist so this comparison doesn't work.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/01/21 10:44 PM
1	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing When TM is involved it's always the latter.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/01/21 10:38 PM
-6	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing The issue is when there is a semantic slide. The only place I see that happening is people in subreddits like these who don't want it to happen. And btw we never talk about toxic feminity. Coincidence? I don't think so. We do, we just don't generally use that term. Why not calling toxic gender norm or something like this which do not generalize the bad aspect to the healthy part? If I could snap my fingers and make that so I would, if for no other reason than to stop making male advocates lookin…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/01/21 10:37 PM
-6	Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thing or because masculinity has harmful or toxic elements to it. Genuine question: Do you see the phrases "toxic parenting" and "toxic workplace" to be an attack on all forms of parenting and all kinds of workplaces? When people say "Toxic masculinity" they're referring to a subset of masculinity that you might imagine a stereotypical TV jock bully would have, not the kind of masculinity most of us (I would hope) have, and when people see this basic misunderstanding for the 150th time, it makes them …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/01/21 07:32 PM
10	Call it what it is. I've given you some criticism lately, but this was a genuinely good post. Simple and to the point.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/01/21 07:34 PM
1	More equality, more freedom to be ourselves. "Let's address and reduce toxic social expectations." ≠ "Let's change strategies about how we recruit women into STEM."	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/01/21 05:28 PM
1	More equality, more freedom to be ourselves. “It’s important to take into account that girls are choosing not to study STEM for what they feel are valid reasons, so campaigns that target all girls may be a waste of energy and resources. If you cut off the quote here then the keyword in that sentence would appear to be "girls", as in "let's not target girls with our campaigns, we should widen our scope," but the quote continues: “If governments want to increase women’s participation in STEM, a more effective strategy might be to target the …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	21/01/21 07:01 AM
0	Suffrage was primarily a class issue, not a gender one. The reason they're campaigning for women only in the UK, as far I can see in a few minutes research, is because there was already a universal suffrage movement, but this ill-named "universal" suffrage applied to men only (This fact is the 2nd sentence on the Wikipedia article on Universal Sufferage.) This lexical quirk, as far as I can tell, is because of the Chartists' work in the previous century who campaigned for male suffrage, but not women's suffrage, because they felt that would delay the…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/01/21 07:19 PM
1	Why I am not a Feminist. Skepticism is holding off on accepting an idea until more evidence is presented. This isn't that, this is rejection of all ideas. This argument is presented in a way you're finding favorable now, but you need to be skeptical. If it can be applied to all sets of ideas, then that includes yours too.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	18/01/21 11:49 PM
-2	Why I am not a Feminist. "I'm not a Thing Believer, because to do so would be to believe a thing. I'm not arguing against the thing itself, I'm arguing against believing a thing... any thing. Because, as we all know, once you believe a thing, you cannot truly change your mind about the thing, because Thing Believer is who you are now. You are like a Young Earth creationist, bending over backwards to justify your thing. Let's talk about it." So anti-feminist that you end up some kind of an epistemological nihilist? I adm…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	18/01/21 06:21 PM