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DiscussionFogofit24/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:26 AM
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Wholeheartedly agree. As soon as Kamala became the nominee, the slut jokes began…on mainstream TV. While Trump has said the most sexually vulgar things I have heard from a candidate and it did not affect him, it may have even helped him. The sexism is structural too. Male teachers will sleep with kids and the absolute correct thing happens…they go to prison. Female teachers…crapshoot. Last news I saw, a teacher slept with her student, got pregnant and the judge did not give her a day in jail. Sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:07 AM
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Well church has pressure in it's environment AND it's frowned upon to be aiming for casual sex there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:13 PM
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Way too simplistic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:04 PM
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Never? Really? I get if you have not seen it a lot depending on where you are looking. But as a short man, I see it in dating apps and in real life. I know many female friends who either have this opinion or had it before turning 35. I have had to tell female friends to watch how they talk about short dudes in front of me. Women have matched with me, asked my height and then unmatched. Some have told me to my face. One of the Hinge execs openly pleaded for women to stop filtering for height. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:23 AM
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I have seen varies results. Friends who have casual sex who are happy doing so. Friends who get in LTRs that are not happy and need therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:17 AM
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I respect your belief. But yeah, it's a belief. And people have a right to demand whatever they want out of others, they are simply not entitled to it. There are men and women with partners who are WAY LESSER in some ways ..and it works for them. And there are others who cannot get what they demand so they gotta adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:14 AM
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You shouldn't argue with the willingly dumb, it's exhausting
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:10 AM
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Ding ding ding. Lol the answer to OP's question is not that hard. Men are rewarded for high body counts...which is why they're high.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:07 AM
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I believe in conditional love. Happy that my parents never sold me on the dream of unconditional love, at least early on in a marriage. I believe in finding someone who cares about me given that I provide them reasons they can see themselves with me long term. Things like stable career and/or hard worker, emotional intelligence, physically capable, etc. Then I hope we appreciate each other so much that there's less conditions. The US is kinda crazy right now with the dating discourse resembling …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:09 PM
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I mean I get that reddit/twitter/online discourse is very reactionary, dumb and often not made on good faith. But IRL convos about these subjects, the judgment is fast as well. I often have to remind people to let me finish my sentences before they disagree with me because we might actually end up agreeing. We usually do. So I push bac that offline people are just patiently listening and coming back with thorough responses
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:02 PM
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Oh hell naw lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:29 PM
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Online dating is just another example of what happens when America sees something in the human condition as a market opportunity. They don't make money from resolving the issue, the make money from giving you false hope. In this case, you give men false hope and they stay on as users with enough of them paying to get a better shake, or so they think, from the algorithm. From the women's perspective, OLD is exhaustive and the dudes who have the most success are usually very attractive or are real…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:22 PM
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Did he? In the example, men could be the hornets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:13 PM
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Lol the first paragraph sounds like women saying "where are all the good men". So maybe men are aslicky as women when it comes to relationships. Don't know for sure. I am lucky because it tooke one bad relationship to be more stringent
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:10 PM
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Nah everyone has to do the work. The amount of work differs from person to person but for what you want in a relationship, you gotta do internal and external work. Anyone of same mind agrees with this. Body positivity is a nice concept...until women want a fit man and then they gotta do some physical work. Have a female friend who blames her lack of dating success on there being too many loser men. If you have listened at all to recent studies about males, we are indeed struggling. She is in sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 06:50 PM
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I got rejected by a friend and took time to myself. We are still close friends. So just cus guys take time to process OR just don't continue the friendship doesn't mean they were in if for sex or a relationship all along. And it's kind of crazy how tonally different those two comments are. But whatever version works.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 09:19 PM
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Like I make more money than both of my friends. One is an architect. The other a junior dev. Arguably, I could keep making more money than the over time. They have more status than me because of their titles. Hell there's electricians and tradesmen who make more than all of us and they have less status than the three of us. People who have status amongst women are linked to money because women make this link, not because they actually know what they're talking about. This comes from my convos wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:57 PM
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I can see why you say this. I think sexually active men get a lot out of women liking them for their looks, status, etc. Sex, more status as a man having sex with attractive women, fun weekends, power. Also consistent sex. But if you are abstaining, then they're just annoying and a complete waste of time. But nice to hear this perspective of women's obvious shallowness if people just pay attention
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:55 PM
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Oh I thought status could equal money but not necessarily. I think a guy can have status off his looks. Or his standing amongst a group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:50 PM
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Cus it's fun brooosskkiiiiii, I know you ain't looking for rationality in PPD lol I had a discussion with a woman who advocated so much for marriage and kids you woulda thought she was down for government enforced arranged marriage. She told me men and women aren't forming friendships because they're afraid their friends will steal their spouses due to the sexual revolution 🤣🤣🤣 just enjoy the ride
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:47 PM
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This is one of the most unaware posts I have read in a while lol. Congrats on being in a happy relationship, but shit testing a friend who shows romantic interest in you is immature and actually disrespectful. You are saying that you were intentionally dishonest and intentionally hurt him for a test. That's called a game. It's great that you're happy and great that you are off the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:42 PM
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Nah we got standards for sure, so they at least exist lol. We have lower standards for sex which is why you'll see attractive BDs. They COULD have restrained themselves but the amount of women coming their way plus testosterone plus women get really risky with Chads ..some of them get caught and cum inside. If you ask them would you have liked those women to be the mother of your child, they'd say no. So low sex standards, higher standards for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:44 AM
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But ppl do in general too. Republican voters hated Obamacare but will shout down their state politician if they get rid of the ACA. It's the same shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:17 AM
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Thanks for this quick reply. I can't sleep so I'm here lol. Nah, I don't think women are too picky given the risk. But of course there are inconsistencies or at the very least bad cost-benefit analysis. It's not like women are mostly fucking great guys out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:13 AM
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I love the Rock. I was talking to a friend about male role models and I brought him up as a good one. And then I said I'm not sure. He plays the game right so he's a good model in that regard. But he doesn't really share opinions. He just preaches about working out, supporting the troops and the values of hard work. Women in media get to say whatever they want and they are praised as good role models in general or of something. But men who are praised, usually work out a lot, are demonstrably ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:10 AM
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Wait does sex = attraction? I'm willing to ask this stupid question lol. Like I have to be attracted enough to have sex with a woman but that doesn't mean I want to have anything to with them beyond that. I know women usually need to be very attracted to a man for this to happen. But men, I would say time and effort is indicative more so that sex. Fucking a hot stranger approaching us is just an opportunity to our dumb asses. There's a lot of context in that decision actually. Also on dating app…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:01 AM
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If I am going off my female friends and family, this is somewhat true but inconsistent. Or maybe the word is confusing. I agree that women need context to feel attraction to most men. So I've seen them get turned on by an attractive man walking by them, but maybe they would not find him attractive if they just saw a picture. But there a few things that guys don't get, including myself. I'm friends with many attractive guys who get may matches and get looks on the street. On the street, women eye…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:56 AM
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You got a point. My friend tried to hook me up with this girl who said she was interested. She asked why, I said not my type out of kindness. She asked me what do I mean, bc she is great, nice, blah.. then I said it's because she is too overweight. And she started saying I should not say that and that fat women deserve love too, blah. Mind you she talks about men however she wants and her female friends back her up. This is a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:01 PM
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She does not want to be confined to tradition but wants her man to be lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 10:52 AM
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Oh for sure. And at that time, aside from my folks, I was not a high priority to my friends. All at the same time they were in coding school and one was a single father basically while his wife dealt with back issues for a long time. That was temporary but it did make me reflect how tough it is as an American and a man to get some social momentum. Friendships are hard work and men are bad at it and women are justifiably wary of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:05 PM
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Nah this is the average man's life. I moved back to my home state where I got friends and fam. and found that everyone is busy with their own thing. And for any type of social support or interaction, I had to make it happen. It was rare for ppl to reach out. I dance salsa so that helped a lot. But women are just more sought after in general or can drum up some momentum easily, whether they like to means or not. You get tired of socializing from scratch all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:37 AM
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Condoms, IUDs, female condoms, vasectomies, BC, enough options for both
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:32 AM
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We all just gotta accept that having sex is entering risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:30 AM
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Tough. It's great advice but I don't see myself having a child with many women, but still gotta have sex. I have seen too many women switch up after getting into a relationship to trust my own very biased projection of what it would be like to have a child with them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:29 AM
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Yeah, you are right. Both are taking risks. My friend has two kids with two women and I shrugged at him bc I told him to use the condom. Now his first BM, said she would have gotten an abortion if she knew they wouldn't be in a relationship. Which he always made clear that is a FWB situation. After saying, she wouldn't get an abortion because she is Catholic. His second BM and her family blames him...even though they were both having sex without condoms. They took risks and then lost. The only w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:25 AM
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This. Lol we want people to empathize with this. Many reasons why my lesbian friends and I relate so much because they are active and not passive and they get this. My hetero female friends don't even attempt to empathize at this level because they are solely focused on their experience. Having the option of getting attention, even if its not exactly the attention you want, is a privilege they will not acknowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:17 AM
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Hmm. Stats are always tough to square with real life for me. Most of my female friends are interested in casual sex and have it regularly. Only two that I know of are not and they're both black women who are saving it for marriage or deep into monogamy. It's working out for one of them at least. I liked the links you provided. The first one was interesting because it seems like all young people are not interested in casual sex. I was surprised because I thought dudes would be interested. Cus I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:03 PM
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What is non-grad? Like did not graduate college? Anyway, I agree with this. I like casual sex and cannot judge others if they enjoy the same. Judging is bad practice anyway. I don't think it's hypocritical to want a low n count woman however, just critical to criticize. Preferences in and of themselves are not hypocritical, it's just what you are attracted to in a variety of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:15 PM
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Never understood how that works lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:28 AM
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Well the second link does say many men enjoyed the hedonistic pleasure of sex and then never addressed that again lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:23 AM
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What are you smokin? Lol you got some points but go over the top quite a bit on this one
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:10 PM
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That's a great point. I am friends with many lesbians and bi women. Don't ask me how this happened. But I live their perspective. We complain about women together. They validated that it wasn't just me or just men that just don't understand what's going on when courting women, lesbians and bi women struggle with it too lol. I agree that civil discussions are hampered by not even attempting to exercise any rational or emotional empathy. As far as journals and stats goes...when it comes to relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:40 PM
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Yeah the second to last sentence is where the disagreement is for us and probably where internal bias exists. Like in my experience, women are concerned how something makes the feel on a personal level and cannot see beyond it in regards to men. In your example, you used you with your women friends.but we talking about respect for each other's anecdotes for the opposite gender. And when I bring upy shitty experiences with women, women say ohhh thats youurrr women. Which is what men say. And that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:02 PM
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Um I'm still unclear on something,so much so I think I am not specifying enough. The men who says their dating life is harder And violence against women does not exist or is minimal is not who I am referring to. So we agree that those dudes are ignorant, lying, being obtuse or all of the above. I am talking about when a man shares personal anecdotes to confirm something does happen and women just accuse them of lying. There's a commented here who says she is tired of men complaining about women …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:50 PM
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That isn't the only type of lived experience that men share in this subreddit. And saying "this isn't what happens" as if it doesn't even happen minimally is disengenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:36 PM
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I agree. I just find it easy to see comments where women tell men they're lying about their experience and then go ok to criticize that man's personal choices and attitude based on their belief that man is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:23 PM
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I think that's his point. It's ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:20 PM
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Well women do the same about the male experience and go so far as to repeat what their male counterparts say in response. There's a healthy amount of ppl who do it on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:18 PM
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Depends on the standards. Like you said, a lot of guys will flex on looks for a better personality. However, I don't think standards for men are that high for LTRs. It's usually stuff like weight, attitude, agreeableness, and don't be a thot. Those are very attainable and things women can change (aside from body count). Yo, we THINK they are more attainable than they are. For example, my top two values are accountability and awareness. Do you know how difficult that is to find in people? I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:31 PM
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I care a little, not as much as women. My female friends care about guy's careers because of money and stability in varying degrees. One friend make over $200k and considers a ma making $100k, broke. Just to paint a picture. Same friend would not date a mutual friend because he didn't go to college ...but he owns his own real estate developer business and has more money. And she wants a guy to have a hobby because she has one and she thinks he'd be less likely to cheat ,🙄 I think it's cool if a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:00 PM
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As a millennial who caught the tail enld of the club era ..it is man..it is. It's rare I feel anything for decent women because who the hell is excited about interview style dates. Even the active ones, I am "fielding" questions
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:11 PM
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Depending on how they look, those women absolutely get play
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:06 PM
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Depends. For marriage, guys have lowered their standards on looks. We learn early on that beauty does not mean the relationship is eve better. So we just check if we are strongly attracted which is more open-ended But I think our standards are pretty high for LTRs and marriage. I have a lot of successful female friends who don't make it work with dudes who are not playing the field. One of them just got friendzoned and said: Well he has nothing going on. Why does he just not date me and see wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:49 PM
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Oh I misunderstood then lol. I don't ever go that extent in my crushes. A baby just ruins it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 07:29 PM
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Many. Most of the women I have had crushes on have been average, well physically. Some were overweight. Some had beautiful faces but were bean poles. Some tall and nothing stood about them looks wise. Few athletic ones in the mix. My crushes tend to happen when I've had a good vibing convo with the girl. Have I seen above average women and lusted after them? Sure, but that's like for 2 minutes and then I forget I ever saw them specifically. But most of my crushes have been with average women you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 07:19 PM
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Could not agree more. We are living with norms on top of norms, most of which have little to do with the current generation but we gotta deal with it. People come in with very strong opinions here on how things must be to have a successful dating, sex, or relationship life and it's sad how reductive it can be. Even comments I agree with come in too strong for my taste. The people who I think are young come in with some inexperienced and sad opinions. The older people I see come in with some bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 03:52 PM
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As a 5'6 average guy who gets dates, there is some nuance there. Like quality of women, do they have kids, what's the age gap etc. Me and another guy were talking about how many new single moms pop up out of nowhere for dudes they previously did no give the time of day. So while I have dated attractive women and been in relationships, the nuances are important here. Dating and flirting is one thing. Dating women you see as your level and they see you then same is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:19 PM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 11:48 PM
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That's the craziest I have heard man lol. So blatant. Women in this thread do not acknowledge this VERY COMMON behavior for some reason. I agree with women that life and dating is harder for them, but they do not care to acknowledge the ways they make us insecure about their behavior towards us. I see women on this thread defend single mothers and NEVER call the sheisty ones on their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:52 PM
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"Why am I taking over where some schlub left off anyway (would she even date me if she didn't have kids)?" This right here is important to highlight. I don't like how hard red pill goes on single mothers, but I will say after dating a few for the sake of being open, it's not a reassuring experience at all. You usually get the gist that she is dating you because you look nice, responsible and that you would treat her well. And that you could help out with the kids. Not because she is attracted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:35 PM
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I am single no kids. And it's off the table for me until I get old enough to where it becomes impractical. I cannot relate to single parents, I want more of their time, my life wouldn't make sense at this point to date one and I don't see being a stepdad in my near future. Nothing against them, but the math does not math.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:30 PM
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Romanticism is just a scam. It is performative and not indicative of a good LTR in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 10:47 AM
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I did not move the goal post. I asked a question. We even agree that it's not approaching. But what is approaching to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 10:05 AM
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Wait what? Men and women tell men in the same situation as your friend to do something about it. Work out, make more money, approach women, something. But now you are just like well my friends are too plain so...it mens fault for not wanting them. And men want me because I am awesome but men are too busy looking for awesome women, just look for plain janes and they will be ok. LOL get real and actually TRY to hold women accountable for their situation instead of just saying men should date women…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:55 PM
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...me and my friend don't use red pill tactics. We are not red pill. Why are you bringing those tactics up? Also, can you be more specific on the type of woman you are describing? Like five an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:36 PM
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Lol you know nothing about us. But I guess who cares about curiosity in this thread. I'll bit. What's a bad woman? If that explains everything and all complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:07 PM
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I am not red pill and I find it annoying, but there is some truth to it and that's why so many men get hooked initially. However, if you know nothing about dating then I can see how it looks very awful. Before my friend got back into dating, he would be alarmed at my complaints and think I was being too harsh on women and unreasonable. Then he got back into it ...lol and now he sounds like me. He is over 6 feet tall, badass musician, developer and just a cool guy and STILL has the same complaint…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:51 AM
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You can, I can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:25 AM
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I did not say your opinion is weird. I said I found it weird to be so strong. Others have expressed your same opinion but just as their preference. You stated it as it was natural law and judged me in the process. Which is fine cus I don't care lol but just observing. Your way is not my way and it's not some other's way on this thread. Some approach sex my way and have long-term relationships. Others do it your way to the same end. Your comment seemed to imply that you way is the "right" way. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 02:40 AM
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I respect your experience and opinion. But that's not true for me. And actually it's weird your opinion is so strong, cus there are a few posts that refute wat you just said from other women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:08 PM
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...Isn't that what this thread is in part? People use their anecdotal experience either as reflective of society as a whole or ask if their anecdotal experience is reflective of society as a whole? Your question is based probably off of some anecdotal experience whether it be yours or friends or friends of friends. Idk if your use of guys is general or being used to say men, but everyone does this. The common phrase: "You guys are all the same!" is in fact someone, usually a woman, taking their …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:15 PM
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In my experience, women who even try to date men that they're not initially attracted to much are usually desperate and trying to try something different
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:11 PM
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Ohhh got it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:05 PM
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Plz report back when you review your findings lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:57 PM
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Whats the theory on losing attraction to the FWBs?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:46 PM
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Thanks for this!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:22 PM
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Not asking either directly tbh. Those are possible interpretations. I was seeing if there was more meat on the bone of her comment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:01 PM
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You don't have to do anything, it's your choice lol. She said too many guys thing that casual sex is their gain, your loss. Could mean that guys see it as a zero-sum game. Could mean she thinks guys think about casual sex in the wrong manner because of the way she wrote the sentence. But I was asking her, but your frustration is fun too 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:54 AM
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Sucks you had to go through it but happy you are not repeating mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:52 AM
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But also their loss? The gain and loss are the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:50 AM
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Damn, sorry man that SUCKS, how old are you btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:49 AM
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But wouldn't that be to the guy's gain? So what is he losing if he got what he came for? That's what I am missing from her comment in her own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:48 AM
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Lol they do not suck. It's like romantic relationships, some suck and some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:16 AM
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Sorry, I do not understand. What do you mean by our loss?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:09 AM
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You mean the same show where women are clearly being used as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:12 AM
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LOL...this has invalidated the post. Especially the word plenty. Easy is relative so do you, but to most guys the fact that you used the word plenty means that it is easy ENOUGH.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:10 AM
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So...mid women do hook up enough with more attractive women? Cus OP is saying it does not happen often enough and that all they guys are wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:08 AM
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You make that sounds like a lot. Most dudes are not getting a quarter as many matches as women. So we are not even filtering a lot lol as trust me they are all around the same level
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:04 AM
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Nah we don't lol. Even the ugly girls who "like" me first on apps, it isn't even that many. Like it's not double digits. Is that a lot to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:01 AM
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Lol what is hit on to you? Women make moves all the time. Getting close to you, eye contact, bumping in to you, just because it ain't a cold approach exactly don't mean they ain't doing shit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:55 AM
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How do you determine if you are average or not? That rating always makes this question confusing. My average female friends get pumped and dumped by hot guys, or guys she considers hot, frequently. And she doesn't really go for anyone else. So they ARE paying attention to her and find her attractive enough to have sex. Which does not surprise me. My Chad friends have bedded many attractive and average women. They like it, like the game and probably find the variance in women they attract validat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:48 AM
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I mean idk...dudes been having second families for years. And that's when people were going to church and fostering community.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:14 AM
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You onto something though. If you are an avg man, active, in shape, have hobbies and a good job it is tough to find Women that you vibe with AND attracted to. Friends Will try to match you with a cool fat girl. Thad what happened to me ad I'm like...am I a joke to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:40 PM
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You onto something though. If you are an avg man, active, in shape, have hobbies and a good job it is tough to find Women that you vibe with AND attracted to. Friends Will try to match you with a cool fat girl. Thad what happened to me ad I'm like...am I a joke to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:39 PM
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From most people, that be confident advice is useless. From women it is usually lacking empathy in my experience. They usually do not put themselves out there in the dating world because, like most people, when the norms fit them they will defend them. So they are comfy telling men to simply be confident without a second thought. They do not care about the hindrances and the current environment that men face and how that could affect confidence because the will never put themselves into that pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:06 PM
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I think it's the completely part that is up for debate here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:23 PM
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Spot on. Went on a few dates with a doctor in her 30s. Thought she was cool but felt she held back too much. We became friends and she was awesome lol. I said...if I saw this side of you we would probably still be dating. She was much more relaxed, funnier, generous and just a vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:02 AM
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Having dated older women as a younger man...they are not as much a catch as the ladies would say they are. Women in their 30s can put a lot of pressure on dates resulting in a bad vibe, it's a crapshoot of they will put forth any effort in early dating and who knows if they're mental health is in good shape. Do older women go for bs as much as younger? No. Are they harder to get dates with? No Is it harder to get into a relationship with? No, actually they tend to want it too soon, that or exclu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:20 AM
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Hasn't this been studied? Women do receive more compliments last time I checked. And as a man, each time I get a compliment I can't remember the last time I got one. Some nuance to this is what someone personally values. Many beautiful women, anything from the 5 to 10, get compliments on their looks a lot. I am sure it gets old fast and you want something more fulfilling. So if a very attractive man or women in general compliment you, that might actually resonate. For mw, most compliments from f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:44 PM
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I gotta look up some research cus again don't know much about cohabitation. But...do we know that these people who cohabitate have these issues because they cohabitate or are they just unstable and have financial issues and thus don't get married for whatever reason? And if the value of the contract is to compel couples to stay together, happiness aside ad if ANYTHING changes both of you are hit hard...again, whats the point? Even with kids thile upside is dubious
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:22 PM
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Well this strengthens the argument against marriage in general because men do get fucked by divorce but if women get hit even harder then...what are we doing to ourselves by getting legally married in the US? Also, I am not sure what problem you are alluding to. Is it that males suck at friendships so being a unmarried man usually sucks? Is it isolation culture of the US that has made friendships harder across the board? As a man who has been in great and bad relationships, a big reason why I am…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 01:24 PM
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Definitely been in one. It is not a myth. It is not all women. But it definitely happens a lot from my experience and my friends
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:40 AM
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It seems so. When I see stuff like FMLA and the ability to pass stuff on to your family made easier because of marriage..I am like why don't single people have these same benefits. If marriage gives us a little more, I am fine with that. if there is a tax on cohabitation and it makes legal/financial sense to get married...we should question that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:29 PM
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Hmm. So for those touting the legal benefits of marriage...why don't we get those outside of marriage? Like some of this seems so silly not to get outside of marriage especially if other countries are already doing it...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:54 PM
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The institution fucks everyone over, not just men. I don't know much about cohabitation. Makes sense that marriage would keep couples together longer. The 8 percentage points difference is not a ringing endorsement however. Nor is the anecdotal evidence we all must have of those miserable couples who stay together for the kids. However, I think it is disingenuous to say it's mens choices that fuck us over, not the institution. I would rather not get married legally because the facts/stories of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:39 PM
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Isn’t this the point of red pill but poorly executed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 04:12 PM
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Isn’t this the point of red pill but poorly executed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 04:12 PM
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Isn’t this the point of red pill but poorly executed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 04:11 PM
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I should have responded to one of the comments actually instead of a standalone reply lol my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:23 PM
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It's funny that the flow gets a bad rep here when that is exactly what is needed in dating these days. Stop trying to control the flow, set your boundaries and then let everything flow from there. Men and women are not only setting boundaries these days but trying to control how each phase happens and are planning years ahead before having met a serious contender yet. So now flow just looks like a scheme instead of: Yo I don't know you. Lets see how and where this goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:44 PM
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Nice. Thats healthy. Interesting that the inquiry had to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:53 PM
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Ok I have to pushback here even tho i agree with your post. Im friends with many women. They are great and until they’ve hit their 30s they were clueless about how they would liked to be approached outside of vagaries like be nice, take me out, etc. I am talking specific values that could be backed up by their actual choices in life. Also, I have seen in dating apps and real life…women have no idea how to approach either short of the… you’re so hot line. So logic may not be the word, maybe ppl a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:14 PM
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I like this advice a lot. Its about talking to alot of people with a positive, upbeat tone and letting things develop. I would not call number 3 a cold approach personally since the context seems so familiar, even tho its a good opportunity. 4 is a good tried and true example. A core issue, which has nothing to do with this good advice, is fit and cute in the US is tough im spite of the young part. Im friends with multiple fit and cute women in their 30s. Half are delusional about what they “des…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:58 PM
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As a participant, I believe it is a small minority for various reasons. I don’t believe that men who are unable to get in on the fun would be “happy” if it didn’t exist because…who doesn’t like to mess around for some phase in their lives? Lol some just wanna do it forever. Other try it and move on. Its best to experience it if you feel the urge and then go on to have the relationship you want after you’ve explored the HC
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:20 PM
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Sounds awesome. Not my experience and probably not that of the women I have been with so thats probably why that hasn’t been my “buildup” phase…ever really. Lol i am usually ready just being patient while she feels me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:40 AM
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Well that last sentence is a comparison. What if it were a huge discrepancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:08 AM
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My bad missed that. But is it necessarily gendered?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:07 AM
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Yes and no. The blocker is values. I attract conservative, traditional women, as far as dating goes at least. I am looking for someone who lets things flow and is more of a participant in early dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:50 AM
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Damn. Aint that some shit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:46 AM
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Is it crazy? The 3 date thing has been around for a long time. Both men and women have told me if it aint happening from 3-5, move on
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:37 AM
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Nah most men don’t actually. The stats are crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:35 AM
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Insee what you are saying but the comparison part is not weird. Very normal. God forbid a woman find out you spoiled your exes and now you aren’t spoiling her for whatever reason…my friends have been frustrated by this exact scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:34 AM
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If you really want to mitigate the risk…then just go all the way. No sex until marriage. Just tell guys that. And as we see on the sub, women create pretty shitty dating realities too so lets not make this too one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:27 AM
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Yikes seconded
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:17 AM
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To you. Which is great you know that, but others may not feel the same
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:16 AM
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Umm I probably would but that doesn’t mean I think it’s a bad approach. I get put off by arbitrary rules and only have so much tolerance. So if we feel like having sex before 3 months have passed, I’m like let’s just do it. If we are not there yet, then cool. If I can tell the vibe is there but I am just waiting then…we are not right for each other
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:15 AM
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Idk. I have never been in a relationship with women I have approached. Good dates. Sex. Friendships. But my relationships have come from social circle. I agree with the sentiment, but for me the social circle approach is less of shooting in the dark. But I do think approaching is good practice
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:08 AM
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I mean men and women do this. This can’t be too hard to understand if its not only one gender doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:58 AM
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Somewhat agree. Lol I am not doing myself any favors, but I cannot control it. If could change it at this point, I would. But its all about compatibility and mental health. Friend just called me actually about this type of stuff. On one hand she wanted to have sex with this guy. On the other she felt it would be bad for her anxiety. I said sounds like you know the answer and mentally you should just chill for a while. Everyone has their way of going about it. I could say women who make/follow ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 01:40 AM
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Its not my analysis, it was a welfare fraud prevention study. But its been a long time since I have read it and I cannot find the link. So i take the L on that Im not one of those men who do anything for sex. I have not entered into a relationship with a few women because diff opinions on sex being one of the reasons. After becoming friends with one, other reasons became very apparent. I am not disagreeing with you or other women who choose to wait for whatever reason. But men who want sex early…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 09:49 PM
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Ohhh good point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 06:44 PM
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Lol idk why they bye at the end. I don’t disagree with you. It is a personal thing. So everything you just said makes sense for you and probably a lot of women. For me, i like to feel convicted and enthusiastic going into a relationship. All of my relationships, i have had sex before and I was all in. I don’t want a half asses attitude going in so I make decisions accordingly. Plus too many women have switched up their attitudes post sex in my life for me to trust they are who they say they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 03:43 PM
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But i didn’t even say waiting doesn’t make sense. And personally from experience, I am wary of having sex early on. But again, i have seen my female friends go through the gamut with guys who they’ve made wait and others they don’t. By itself, it’s not a great indicator of what is going to happen. For example, lately I have been in multiple situations where I stopped dating girls and one of the reasons, amongst others is that they don’t have sex outside of a committed relationship. And thats coo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 03:38 PM
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Yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:55 PM
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Someone else posted a stat on casual sex and it was very low. I think it was 9 percent of women have it. I doubt that that’s actually the case give my personal experience. But 80 percent sounds crazy as well. I do think making a man wait for the sake of it is a trick. The more hurdles you set up, the more you filter for motivated fraudsters to jump them. This happens with welfare programs all the time actually. They add more paperwork to the process, and the fraudsters are the ones filling it ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:46 PM
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I agree with the premise but the article left me wanting. It says 42% of users are committed..not that 42% of Tinder men are in a relationship. Most of them being men makes sense because more men are on dating apps. There is no one problem with dating. Bisexual and lesbian experiences show that. And hypergamy is indeed an issue along with male promiscuity. Putting the blame on one side is just an immature understanding. If a man who makes $200,000/yr is six foot, has an awesome hobby, is charism…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:59 AM
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Idk. I am a man and I am simple. Women in my life are and have said they are more complex than men. I am not representative and maybe they are not either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:58 PM
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On ownership, i did not say or imply that he owns her. If a guy goes on six dates with a girl and loses interest because he thinks that she is not interested bc they haven’t had sex at that point, then thats just how he sees it. Could he be wrong? Sure. Would I blame him for thinking that ? Nah. And maybe their views are so different that this is a sign that they weren’t compatible anyway. Is this proof that he thinks he owns her? No. He just thinks that she’s not into it. I know the example is …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:42 PM
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If she changed her views on sex, then I think what they did sounds reasonable. If they’re both sexually active, then it’s reasonable to question interest of there’s no sex. Having female friends has not helped me in this regard because they’ll go on a date and then fuck another dude the same night on the regular. Usually a FWB. So I can see how some men feel cheated. In the end, just depends on clear communication and respect. Both lacking in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:05 PM
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Largely agree but if you’re a sexually active guy with a sexually active girl then I don’t think it’s entitled to desire yo have sex with her before marriage. And it’s reasonable, while flawed, to use is as a gauge of interest if both are sexually active and fuck ppl they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:01 PM
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Oh that was an interesting read. The two articles together don’t imply that women are not hypergamous. To me at least. There’s a lot of room for interpretation. Just cus a woman wants a hung attractive billionaire man doesn’t mean it’s reasonable to think she will get with one, which is just an extreme example. I interpret the tragedy of hypergamy as looking for the “best” fit as oppose to the “right” fit. And if everyone is looking for the best most of the time, its a Chad party.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:48 PM
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Thx for the link. Why do you think black women select black men most of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:11 PM
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Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:41 PM
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Lol love this post. Insulting maybe. But great topic. If women are so hypergamous then why are black women dating black dudes? 🤣 But I guess the point is that hypergamy isn’t the end all be all but probably happens within a context as oppose to in spite of any context.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:40 PM
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Comment and reply here is tops!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:14 PM
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Well thats the key difference here. Femmes are who I am assuming most men are referring to in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:22 PM
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Agreed. The intent of my original comment was to point out that we are both doing a lot here. Well most of us. I am friends with a few “Chads”. What they think of as a lot is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:06 PM
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Love your username. My lesbian friends make all the same conplaints/frustrations that men make. This comment is a good summary of the complaints my friend make. You might just be awesome so great job!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:29 PM
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Oh great point. There must be a lot of misinterpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:19 AM
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I guess I would understand this if I were whining but I am not. I am pointing out that men do in fact put in work to get women and that minimum amount requires differs depending on the individual. And from there, i think it’s at least up for debate who works more. But it’s a stupid debate. The real point is having empathy for the opposite sex’s dating woes and maybe even being less harsh on them. A while ago I had some female friends make fun of my “game”. I said cool hit on a woman I point out …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:18 AM
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But like I guess what I am saying is that if they weren’t in relationships…they would be having casual sex like they were before. And like my current singles friends are now. None of my single male friends are dating and having sex after a relationship. They are having sex outside of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:39 AM
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A few are and a few aren’t. The ones who got int relationships had sex with their now girlfriends and wives before it turned into that. The ones that aren’t, like myself, date and have causal sex and see where it goes. Its rate flr me to commit to a woman when we haven’t had sex before.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:27 AM
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Sigh. So your experience is the exception or the rule? Your post indicates it is the former. So if you are using empathy, why would you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:05 AM
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This sub is lovely and weird. If I were Stacy, i would do the same shit. But I don’t hear women reasoning that if they were guys, they would most likely have the same attitudes that most men have. Cus that’s how humanity works. You get plopped into a circumstance and you adopt certain beliefs and attitudes because of your experiences. My friend just got back into dating this year after a long hiatus. He thought my opinions and advice were pretty jaded. After a year of dating with some toxic ship…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:29 AM
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Its tough because it is difficult to square stats with our actual reality. I am surprised by that 9% figure because ALL of my female friends have casual sex. ALL of my male friends have casual sex with women they go on dates with and may or may not get into relationships with including myselF. ALL of my male friends see casual sex as a step to gauging if a relationship is probable with a woman they like. ALL of my female friends have sex with FWBs while dating. And they will have sex with FWBs w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:17 AM
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Lol what he said was incredibly insulting to everyone in his comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:00 AM
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That is disingenuous if I am understanding your point correctly. Women do spend more effort “getting ready” for dates. Men usually spend more time getting the dates and initiating in the first place. Hell, since I am a very average man I have spent years just learning to get dates consistently, how to date, how to escalate and etc. and Now that in my 30s it feels easier because of years of practice. And learning that many women are just not going to expend a lot of effort in early dating, as the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:59 AM
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Good list. 1. I would say it’s tough to ascertain where you rank in the market for women because attractive guys come at them as much as unattractive guys for sex, especially on the apps. I think it’s hard to say..convince…a woman who fucks 9s and 10s that the guys she will date are 5s and 6s. Especially since most women find most men slightly unattractive to ugly anyway. 4. Personality and standards I would say. I know men and women who could get into a relationship tmw. But they wouldn’t be te…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:29 PM
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And women love the idea of settling? Maybe I am confused. Are you talkin settling down or settling for a partner bc you thought you could do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:23 PM
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Plot twist: this is the same guy lol. Theres a lot of guys who, mistakenly, focus on women in their 20s and learn some hard lessons. Then they think about what matters to them and move into scenario B. But the lessons from A probably contribute to the implied successful relationship in scenario B. Especially if you were still figuring out what you wanted in A. Also, with the highly selective criteria and “ick” of women, guys will need some practice dating and being in long-term relationships mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:55 PM
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Meh. I am not disagreeing but I think getting some women may be low effort. But I think there’s women who are justifiably cynical do things to make things difficult for these men while doing so unknowingly plays them into these guys hands. The cheating men are positioned and motivated to clear these hurdles because the situation has been gamified. I know women who put them through whatever vetting process, requires expensive dinner dates…only to discover the guy is partnered. And to me keeping a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:58 PM
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I have to take your word for it. When I am in a busy time in my life, i just want a lot of casual sex bc I got stuff to do and I would rather just have someone to meet each other’s needs. When i have had that, its been lovely. Lol. When I am in a good place, i want a ship and just like be really into my partner because cheating the way dudes do it is a A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY and like…I like being in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:38 PM
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I think that’s why most men lie and cheat. My woman friend has told me that like the elite of the elite of guys can have sex as much as they want while honestly having casual intentions. The rest either have to work unreasonably hard to do so, lie to women and say we want a relationship when at that time we don’t or just plain cheat. Most guys don’t or don’t know how to control their sexual destiny so they resort to these underhanded methods. And the sad kicker is that because they know they hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:29 PM
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Last point is an underrated insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:20 PM
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A 6 in looks and 8 in intelligence. Sixes are not bad. I require a face I like to look at. Need a partner I can work with so 8 is a good start. But if they’re not aware and accountable, smarts do not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:28 AM
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Most frustrations can be summarized in two words: feedback failure. As myself acting as I would consider my normal self, I can tell you tat I have gotten one night stands, LTRs, ghosted, stood up and friendzoned on multiple occasions. One or two of those actually worked out great cus those women are kickass friends. However, others have either admitted/or I have observed that they were aware that they were leading me or other guys on because women just really like attention and when these partic…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:19 AM
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Nowadays I think i have stopped putting my energy toward any one who was not considerate of my time/energy. But I would say some small things I have noticed. Women don’t open doors for me and now they’re not even saying thank you when i hold the door open. I dont expect women to open doors for me..but now that we are in modern times…why not?! Lol Women are not great with compliments in my experience. And when i was younger there were a few times that some women who were friends of friends went t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:26 AM
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In my dating life, women do not reciprocate much if at all. I initiate flirting, dates, deep convos and even breakup convos. I feel like I am initiating to break up with myself lol. One woman decided to ghost me, i texted her to call her out on it and then we were good. I told her she could just tell me and that would be the mature thing to do. Also, she outright said that guys should do everything in the frontend. Well why would I continue in hopes of this miraculous day of when you decide to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:24 AM
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You did a good job bro lol. If there were not general trends amongst gender, usually referred to as gender norms, then we would not be able to commiserate our heterosexual dating woes. For example, men can drink then bitch about how most women they date don’t reciprocate in early dating phases but men most of the time are initiate. As if women are making the space for the man expected to initiate. Which would lead to men thinking OH maybe she wants me to take the lead. Maybe she wants that out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:28 AM
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