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Its was just stirring the pot :P
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:44 AM
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If he was still paying rent? Yes. If he stopped paying rent? No. Kicking someone out for not paying rent is fair enough. If a wife pays her husband rent in sex, she isnt a wife she is a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:43 AM
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I really hope you never have a daughter OR SON who is in an abusive relationship, because your lack of compassion or understanding for their situation will hurt almost as much as the abuse itself. I do not show empathy to those who had a choice and folded it because of their own stupidity. Then you are a monster with no sense of proportionality, understanding of psychology, or even of basic human nature. You sound like someone with a personality disorder. You are LITERALLY saying that "if you ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 06:45 PM
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blah blah, pyschology of a victim, victim blaming" essentially removing her culpability in this. No-one is ever culpable for someone elses attacks on them because they didnt escape when they could have. This moral principle is so fundamental its actually enshrined in law in almost every jurisdiction. You are obviously victim blaming (perhaps you assert that there is nothing wrong with this?), and also showing a complete lack of empathy OR (lacking that) scientific understanding of the psychology…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 06:06 PM
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point taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 02:00 PM
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Although I agree RP's advice in this situation would be "she isnt worth the hassle", the not-taking-no-for-an-answer, and "youre so cute when your mad" and "men and women cant be just friends" shit is right out of the red pill playbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 01:45 PM
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Here's another red pill implementation story on the front page of /r/relationships at the moment: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2p26jr/my_19f_brother_21m_went_red_pill_and_just_got/ Classic :P
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 01:42 PM
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RP doesnt so much misunderstand evolutionary psychology, so much as complete ignore all the scientific literature and thinking on it as a topic and spout its own brand of "pop evolutionary psychology" as if it represented scientific fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 01:41 PM
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You cant actually believe that's an accurate summary of how the law is enforced
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 12:20 PM
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You cant actually believe that's an accurate summary of the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:36 PM
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Its an internet discussion forum, of course you have to say you are, you cant exactly demonstrate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:35 PM
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The other way of putting that is that the left wing believes things are capable of getting better so we need to try even at cost to ourselves, while the right believes things will keep getting worse in a race to the bottom so we might as well get there first and profit from it. I prefer the left ideology, realistic or not. Hope is a better emotion than cynicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:34 PM
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Shit, yesterday I found myself apologising (kind of) to HHL for overstating her racism. The world truly is an odd place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:32 PM
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There are lots of cool good men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 09:11 PM
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In your opinion. Anyway, my point is made, she said "all of them" not "just the bad ones". If you think the examples she gave are just the bad ones I am sorry you feel that its impossible to be cool and still be a good guy, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:58 PM
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I'm a motherfucking unicorn ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:57 PM
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I appreciate your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:56 PM
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Is this the default status for people, or is it a matter of society and learned behavior? I think its a fairly common consequence of four factors: firstly, poor relationship role models. Its scientifically accepted that people's expectations and actions in a relationship are very massively influenced by what they observed of their parents. If their dad hit their mum and she stayed with him, they are VASTLY more likely to be abusive (as a guy) or to seek out and stay with abusers (as a girl). If …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:53 PM
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In what sense are "cool guys" "bad". You have no idea what my standards are, all I know is I get complimented on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:14 PM
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Standard pre-screening includes "will she sleep with me almost immediately? If not, move on", which I think kills any chance with anyone decent. Also a true high value good girl won't tolerate dating a guy with other plates, much less sleeping with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:13 PM
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Being a young, angry, cynical misogynist is not a requirement for being a Red Piller... ... but it helps, amirite? Hopefully, they start to accept that the world is the way the world is, and begin working with reality at some point. This is the theory, but I havent seen much evidence that the "average" red piller grows out of his misogyny, and the daily top topics in /trp are usually misogynistic. The older "wiser" supposedly less angry guys dont call out this misogyny, they backslap it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:30 PM
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Look dude its a joke that you keep arguing this, look again in the words you quoted yourself: my advice to women is date all of them all of them all Not "only the bad ones". You are just strawmanning your ass off. That's subjective, maybe you're really good looking? In a photo I'd probably get a 6/10 on a good day. In person? Much higher, but thats nothing to do with being good looking and everything to do with personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:28 PM
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No, she is literally saying "date whoever you find attractive but choose carefully who you marry". Its LITERALLY the same advice red pill gives men I'm a dependable guy and I always have been. I got laid loads. What's your excuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:22 PM
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That's a very interesting thing to say. Why do you think this is true? I dont believe most people have the mental hygeine and self-awareness to "give" enough to have a truly good relationship. Many do, but I think a good half or so dont. Expectations and presumptions Experience. And actually, less likely to have presumptions if they have multiple past partners as any presumptions will have been challenged by the variety of their relationships. A virgin has far more presumptions, basing her expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 04:57 PM
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She is saying "date whoever you want but marry someone who will treat you right". As a good guy who has always been successful with women and is now marrying a particularly good one, I dont see the issue with this. She isnt looking for someone to take care of her - she is a multi millionaire in her own right and her entire book is about being self-reliant and successful as a woman. You are looking at this through the red pill prism of "women are only marriage material if they havent had many par…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 04:51 PM
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I dont follow your argument, I agree with Sheryl.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:13 PM
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What is your point? I agree with Sheryl.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:13 PM
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The vast majority of TRPers are primarily interested in casual sex, as supported by the various threads asking this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:12 PM
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TRP regularly uses "people pleasing" as a criticism of beta behaviour (and women). People pleasing is just a another way of saying validation-seeking. Also you are one of the more reasonable and less misogynistic red pillers, so no surprises you deviate from the archetype.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:11 PM
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Shitty people are shitty, regardless of gender. Be a unicorn, attract a unicorn, live happily ever after.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:07 PM
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TRPers hate and look down on what you think of as "sluts", while loving fucking them. You can say you dont but the language you use conclusively proves otherwise. TRPers treat male promiscuity with high SMV women as the single greatest measure of life success. A man who fucks 20 8/10s is held above a man who is in a LTR with a single 9/10. There is a sidebar article in TRP equating women with teenagers. MANY TRPers even in PPD will happily admit that they believe women to have less agency than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:05 PM
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Bet you know a lot of shitty people. I didnt mean people dont want sex, I mean people dont equate ONSs with validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 02:01 PM
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And as a result of views like this you are not most women's definition of a good man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:59 PM
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100% agree with you for once. I would add that a lot of RPers looking for "good women" are nevertheless using pre-screening criteria that makes meeting one much less likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:58 PM
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You define worthwhile as (among other things) virginal and obediant. I dont value these qualities. The subset of women I think of as worthwhile is growing, not dwindling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:57 PM
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Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on capability differences between racial populations (or indeed, any other non-arbitrary subset of humanity). I've actually read quite a lot of what you linked to, and I understand the intellectual position. I do not rule out that it is possible to believe HBD and be entirely undiscriminatory, unbiased and not racist. In fact, I've enjoyed this reading and have been persuaded to be more open-minded on the topic. What I am highly suspicious o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:54 PM
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Anger is the result of failing to get what you feel entitled to. TRP claims to be about self-improvement, taking responsibility and recognising reality for what it is, but almost no-one practices what they preach. Bitterness and anger are the prevelant emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:47 PM
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Well over half of people aren't capable of a healthy, respectful relationship, regardless of the experience or understanding of their SO. Having a past isnt baggage. Baggage is having issues. These two things are not the same thing. jealousy of past relationships Thats your problem, one you should address in therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:46 PM
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What is the purpose of HBD, discussion of HBD, investigation of HBD? You and most or all of the bloggers involved in HBD do not appear to be scientists, psychologists etc, so what is "the HBD community"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:35 PM
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Because one 3 year relationship isnt enough experience to understand human differences, and 24 is too young and inexperienced to sensibly get married (and too young for me, at 29)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:31 PM
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edit: its really frustrating when you say one thing, I reply, then later you go back and edit it to say something quite different. Boring even.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:08 PM
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People who value sex as much as red pill people tend to are usually psychologically broken from teenage rejection into equating sex with validation and success. People who had balanced, mentally healthy teenage years dont tend to feel that way about sex. Most red pillers would be better off with a course of behavioural therapy than red pill. This completely precludes the idea that I could love somebody who is handicapped. Which is patently false. I said "and" not "therefore".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:07 PM
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in ideal scenario No, in a completely made up and statistically improbable scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:05 PM
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I'm saying the former, but I'm not in the mood for the discussion ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 05:14 PM
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Accepting human difference is one thing, claiming a person's attributes are limited by his or her race is quite another.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 05:14 PM
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Having children is shitty without a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:24 PM
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The middle one. Handling a relationship is a skill that improves with practice and only one of your 5 examples actually has any relationship experience. I'm guessing this isnt aimed at us BPers though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:22 PM
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TRP actually defines alpha as "behaviour other TRP males find attractive"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:21 PM
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Or from dominating other mouth-breathing losers in bars for that matter
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:19 PM
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What Is Flawed About The Red Pill Model of Attracting Women It only works on the kind of women that TRP teaches you to hate. It teaches you to value sex above everything else in life. It teaches you women are inferior and fundamentally undermines your ability to have true emotionally intimate partnerships that are basically the single best thing in life. What Do You Suggest Instead? Embrace self-improvement (lifting included, if you like) not to "get sex" but for its own sake. Become a better pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:16 PM
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A man who implements red pill strategies is abiding by red pill truths - effectively "accepting them and implementing the rational conclusions".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:15 PM
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Because the colour of your idols doesnt tell us anything about you as a racist. Your beliefs on the topic of race do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 04:14 PM
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Do you mean Steve Sailer? What is the PURPOSE of the study/obsession with identifying ways in which some people are purportedly genetically disadvantaged, if not to discriminate against them? Find me some black advocates of HBD if it isnt about supremacy and discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 03:14 PM
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If your empathy doesnt exert any influence on any decision or action you make, you dont really have empathy at all, you just have understanding. If it exerts influence, that decision or action is inherently less transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 02:35 PM
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Human Biodiversity aka "Race Realism" is an offshoot of the white power movement given a pretified name, and pretty much all its proponents are white. Its no different from the racial determinism of the 16-17th century. Reading into this, HBD appears to believe black people will never be intelligent enough to successfully govern themselves - that the problems of Africa as a continent are not caused fundamentally by poverty, colonial exploitation, historical accident or geography but because blac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 02:29 PM
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The problem with Kanin is his methodology, not him as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 02:05 PM
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Spews page after page of hate day after day Says feminism is a problem as a religion of hatred. Doesnt see irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:58 PM
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That doesnt make his numbers any more believable or his methodology any less flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:57 PM
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Jesus... I'm not saying they falsified anything, I'm saying they arent objective and Kanin's numbers are just a measure of how many police officers ticked "false report" in their crime log.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:56 PM
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You still dont seem to get it. He didnt have "credible sounding confessions" supporting his numbers, he had a police form for each incident in which the officer had ticked "false report". The department policy was you should tick that box if you had an actual confession. The police guys however applied their own judgement. The Study did not review the actual cases and confirm that the police conclusion was based on an actual legit confession, or just the police officers opinion. There is no acco…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:53 PM
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quite
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:51 PM
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Women who are more liberal are more likely to try to escape a marriage in which they are unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:50 PM
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Dubai mall has "real" snow ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:49 PM
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I've lived in Japan. Its actually very progressive in many ways. It certainly doesnt have a "man in charge" marriage dynamic, its actually typically the opposite (wife makes all household decisions and can override husband)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:49 PM
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In another thread you said something about "every TRPer needs to admit that TRP has its origins inextricably linked with [name of some kind of scientific racism doctrine I cant remember]". I cant find the exact post but I wikipedia'd the doctrine and it is essentially a fringe extremist "scientific" apology and justification for institutionalised and political racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:47 PM
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This doesnt mean what you think it means. It also doesnt reflect actual reality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:44 PM
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what? what are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:43 PM
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Remember the red pill demographic. You are being far far too cultured for them to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:42 PM
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People like you are why I am so cynical about humanity. I dont like to bandy the word "evil" around, but I think you are coming pretty close.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:44 AM
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Ok, then the question is - what would a society look like where everyone was aware of and abided by the "truths" that red pill teaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:42 AM
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What does this have to do with anything? PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION - what methodology did Kanin use if it wasnt to "assume that the record of the reporting police officer's judgement as to whether the claim was false is objectively accurate" as we have asserted. Hint: Go read any of Kanin's three studies. He not only admits this was his methodology, he even makes an offhand admission this may impact the results!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:41 AM
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You cant read.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:39 AM
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You still dont seem to understand. They dont need to be lying. They merely need to not be objective. AND THEY ARENT COMPUTERS SO THEY ARENT OBJECTIVE. No-one knows whether those three studies were in different locations (he kept them a secret and no-one was allowed to verify), and in any case it would be no suprise if the bias of police officers was consistent across different locations. Do you honestly think police officers lack bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:36 AM
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When estimating something, taking the minimum guaranteed number as your lower bound isnt just reasonable, its essential for your range to be accurate. Its sad that you arent statistically literate enough to realise this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:35 AM
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??? That is literally exactly what cuittler's criticism of Kanin is saying. Kanin assumes that all police officers opinion of whether a claim is false is accurate. Specifically he makes two assumptions: 1) that all police officers follow deparment policy on determining whether a claim is false (this assumption is proven false in other research) 2) that department policy on determining whether a claim is false is objectively accurate. Either you agree with the guy you claim is citing liars (and y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:04 PM
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You believe there is a scientific case for racial discrimination as I understand it. Feel free to elucidate on what you actually believe, I dont want or need to put words in your mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:00 PM
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TRP doesnt hate women? lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:59 PM
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Haha. Remember I'm from the UK. The democrats are a centre-right party.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:59 PM
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Any statistical backing for this? This is an EASILY measurable phenomena so surely you must have some evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:58 PM
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Please can you cite ANY evidence of the methodology of Kanin's studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:55 PM
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Not if the research is properly designed, and at least any bias can be clearly seen from the study parameters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:54 PM
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Then why does red pill say women with high partner counts are poor LTR prospects (but men with high partner counts are good LTR prospects)?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:50 PM
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I would never say to a woman, "you have to behave this way" Even your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:48 PM
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And what are you citing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:47 PM
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I am not asking about historical origins of TRP I am asking whether TRP sees what it likes in modern Qatari/Dubai culture, and if not, why not? There are no warlords in Dubai and Qatar. Rule of clans is no different from the USA Finance, Industry and Political dynastys (Rothschilds, Van der Bilts, Kennedys etc), and CERTAINLY no different than ancient rome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:44 PM
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No. Because I've treated women well my entire life and been very successful, and so have all my friends. I literally dont know any guy friend of mine (late 20s) who hasnt had many girlfriends and sexual partners at this point. The whole "20% 80%" thing is bullshit. It might, just about, apply in American highschools. It definitely doesnt apply at college or university. ANYONE can get laid at college unless they are in the ~10% of total introvert losers who dont even try
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:34 PM
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A lot of rpers just happen to be conservative. That is merely correlative. Its not "merely correlative" - a LOT of TRPs views, particularly about masculinity, gender roles and family dynamics ARE inherently conservative. None of what you just wrote answers my question. I didnt make a criticism. I haven't made any statement as to the "goodness" of Dubai or Qatar. I wasnt asking about cause or effect. You are opposing statements I've never made. I am asking for your opinion on Dubai and Qatar as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:30 PM
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TBP isnt a SJW space. What makes you say that? Its a space for people who like ridiculing TRP. You are just defining anyone who disagrees with TRPs narrow gender traditionalism as a SJW.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:27 PM
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I stand by my original comment. A sociopath is someone with purely transactional relationships. I would say that any "depth" or emotional intimacy in a relationship is a departure from it being transactional. I would further say that "pure" selfless love is by definition entirely non-transactional. My claim is thus that transactional = superficial and lacking in emotional intimacy and love. The more depth, intimacy and selflessness a relationship has, the less transactional it is. People who thu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:17 PM
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How do you guys explain the huge number of high SMV men who identify with or otherwise embrace feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:11 PM
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Ask her about her views on racial determination or non-violent marital rape
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:09 PM
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why would TRP hate anyone else for doing what TRP believes they are genetically and inescapably programmed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:08 PM
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2% is the absolute minimum provided no false accusations are successful and none go undetected. 8% is the statistical estimate of the upper bound including false accusations and undetected withdrawals. You dismiss his sources for bias/advocacy and cite Eugene Kanin in the same breadth! Finally you realise Eugene Kanin counts as a false report: "Any report which the reporting police officer, off the record and in secret to Kanin, deduced to be false". And the sample size was sub 100. So it is lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 06:57 PM
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They explicitly detail how they account for exactly those factors in reaching their 2-8% figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 06:44 PM
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One explanation is that either we had a significant increase of rape against men (by women) I wouldnt be surprised if this were true. We also have no direct knowledge of how many of the male "forced penetration" victims (lets call it rape, I think of it as rape), how many of the male rape victims were raped by men (as in, a man forced them to penetrate him).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 06:21 PM
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I don't consider relevant. why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:47 PM
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He blames you as a gender for not giving him sex throughout his adolescence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:46 PM
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That was literally his entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:45 PM
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Same people posting same vitriol against women in /r/TRP after several years
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:43 PM
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I posted the CDC report page reference (iirc its 18 or 19) that shows it is 4:1 rapes to made-to-penetrate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:37 PM
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It is impossible to have a relationship (romantic or friendship) with someone that is both entirely transactional and anything other than shallow. I'd argue that arent even IN a relationship if it is 100% transactional to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:37 PM
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Go back two years, its the same names posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:35 PM
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You can use transactional analysis on anything - its just an analytic framework - my point was that it is not a HEALTHY way to view a relationship with other people. The archetype of a truly transactional person is the sociopath - other people are viewed merely as transactional means to the sociopaths ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 04:23 PM
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I originally thought RPW was a harmless support group for middle aged women who wanted a more assertive husband. Then I reviewed the posting of HHL here and noted how revered she is there and realised its much, much more fucked up than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 04:01 PM
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And why do so few TRPers ever seem to recover from this and lose the anger? Even many-year TRPs and self-professed alphas still seem angry and disdainful of women. This is what the "its just the shock of realisation" or "its just anger at their old beta selves" argument falls down on. If it were true, then theyd get over it. They dont seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:59 PM
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I dont think most TRPers recognise that their anger and disdain for women is driven by rejection, I think they tend to rationalise it as women being inferior. "all women" arent anything, kinda like "all men". Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:57 PM
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Women dont feel ashamed/embarrassed to be raped? Men stopped raping women in the 17 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:43 PM
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http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf Page 18 and 19 have the tables on them showing that women are raped by men 4 times more often as men are forced to penetrate by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:43 PM
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Ok heres the original figures saying the exact same thing. http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf Page 18 and 19 have the tables on them showing the bolded numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:42 PM
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liar
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:40 PM
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No. those stastics include made to penetrate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:39 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:39 PM
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Yes they do. Women CAN do the exact same thing. You are making a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:38 PM
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Pro tip - in the UK the courts have held that the level of "intoxication" necessary to obviate consent is the level at which, had both parties been that intoxicated, sex could not have actually occured. Thus your hypothetical is impossible - if they actually had sex, ipso facto one or both of them was sober enough to consent. False rape police accusations are very uncommon. Please cite statistics showing otherwise. And no, withdrawn accusations or cases dropped by the prosecutor as lacking evide…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:37 PM
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I'm an SJW and I dont equate those things or expand the definition of rape. Rape is having sex with someone who doesnt consent when you dont have a reasonable belief in their consent (UK legal definition and one I think is morally defensible.) You are angry at a straw man, or at best a view held by a tiny tiny tiny handful of extremists. Its the equivalent of me hating you because other men are unrepentant rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:34 PM
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Should RAPE LIARS be prosecuted for filing FALSE REPORTS? Yes - if they report to the police false details, that is a crime. They are often prosecuted you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:31 PM
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Then should the UVA rape liar be thrown in jail? If she named names to the police and filed a report, yes. For the media circus? No, that's not a crime. Should the Duke Lacrosse rape liar be thrown in jail? Yes, and she was!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:31 PM
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This is fantastic and perfectly captures my views on the whole thing. Its not wrong so much as misguided and sad. As for the social genesis of these views, I think the "archetypal" red piller has the following characteristics: mostly school age to early 20s with a sprinkling in their 30s (and even smaller few slightly older). Bad parental rolemodels (yet to find a committed TRPer who had a loving, supportive nuclear family - most are from broken homes) History of poor interaction with women (eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:16 PM
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I disagree. Amongst TRPers I think it is the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:03 PM
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First six paragraphs - up-own-arse meta discussion of what is to follow Middle 4 paragraphs - what is autism? Final few paragraphs - Why are we worrying about autism when WOMEN ARE SO MUCH WORSE AND LITERALLY CAUSES IT
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:02 PM
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Literally 6 paragraphs of self-inflating bullshit introduction before you actually got to the point??? (And what is that point? That we should forget about Autism because THOSE HORRIBLE WOMEN are the real problem?)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 02:57 PM
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Among "average" people? Maybe 300+ years ago? And they were poorly observed even then. Is it the reason for the generation of incels that have exploded in recent years? The number of "Incels" hasnt changed, its just the internet allows them to be more vocal and act as a semi-cohesive group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 02:53 PM
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Its basically viewing women solely as a gatekeeper of sex and sex solely as a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 02:51 PM
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Then why are so many TRPers so angry at women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 02:50 PM
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Yes. TRP is the angry reaction low SMV guys who have failed with women have to that failure. They blame women for "fucking them over". Its one of the many ("meny" geddit??) hypocrisys of TRP - they preach self-responsibility while blaming women/feminists/SJWs/Society for all their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 02:48 PM
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The "standard" part of "double standard" implies its reasonable to hold women to a higher standard. Why? Why does it being easier for a woman to have lots of sex make it BAD for a woman to have lots of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:05 PM
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I am a lawyer. The standard of evidence is "beyond a reasonable doubt" and assuming equal credibility, if the only evidence is what they both say happened that doesnt even reach the "on the balance of probabilities" standard of evidence, lets alone "beyond a reasonable doubt". People ignorant of how trials work in practice seem to think its just the subjective opinion of the judge and jury. It isnt in any way. In a case with just he said she said evidence the judge would HAVE to direct the jury …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:04 PM
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LEgally maybe not, but ethically, I'm not going to be friends with someone who goes near the gray area, whether or not they actually can be proven to have crossed the line. There are no absolutes. There are, however, strong risk factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:02 PM
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Street harassment isnt an accusation of doing something immoral and illegal - the analogy doesnt work in any way. There is nothing wrong with wearing sexually revealing clothes. There is everything wrong with being a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:00 PM
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Same thing applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 12:59 PM
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How do these arguments not equally apply to TRP's feminist/SJW boogeyman...? I'm not a victim of red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 12:58 PM
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If people keep accusing you of rape... maybe, just maybe, your choice of sexual partners and/or your sexual practices are fucked up. I've slept with a lot of women and I've NEVER been accused of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 06:03 PM
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Its living in fantasy land to believe that in falsely reported rape cases where the girl partakes in drunken sex by her own choice, that the court will ever give the man the benefit of the doubt. The man raped her, by default. She says it, he did it. This couldnt be a greater pile of steaming bullshit. The courts ALWAYS give the man the benefit of the doubt. "He said she said" trials always end in acquittal for the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:58 PM
1

Dan Bilzerian is the punchline to a joke about crassness
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:57 PM
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Are you honestly trying to claim TRP doesnt slut shame?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:54 PM
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How does this in ANY WAY justify slut shaming? Who cares if it is easier?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:53 PM
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you know disagreeing with "women get away with everything" does not mean I believe "women get away with nothing", right? He literally does not know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:51 PM
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Yes of course - the negative behaviour Red Pill derides in women, like the attitudes BP derides in Red Pill men, are common among a specific subset of broken people. I just hang out with the other 75% of people who arent like that, in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:49 PM
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Right, so the only lifelong bachelors are the guys too obnoxious or shallow to form emotionally intimate partnerships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:35 PM
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You should be ashamed. Nothing wrong with shaming people for their deliberate shittyness as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:34 PM
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I think if someone buys into TRP as a philosophy they arent a practicing good person, yes. If you cherry pick just the generic self-improvement advice and ignore all the misogyny, historical revisionism and conservative politics then you arent TRP in any meaningful sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:33 PM
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An interesting hypothetical, but in practice every guy knows which of his friends get a bit handsy, take advantage of drunk girls, demeans women a lot etc. Most rapists dont think of themselves as rapists. They arent ashamed of their actions because they dont think of them as wrong. Some will go so far as to actively boast to their friends about fucking dumb drunk bitches who are passed out at a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:27 PM
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If it doesnt matter then why does RP put so much emphasis on what you do and how you behave? Their whole shtick is almost anyone can become an alpha (or at least sexually successful) with the right effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:24 PM
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Almost any mainstream media account of what happened, and there are many, some with far more detail and precision than Totalbiscuit went into, would answer all of your questions. For example: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/ http://recode.net/2014/10/09/what-is-gamergate-and-why-is-intel-so-afraid-of-it/ http://www.newsweek.com/gamergate-about-media-ethics-or-harassing-women-harassment-data-show-279736
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:15 PM
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Quite possibly, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:14 PM
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His account was comprehensively disproven - literally no one gave her a positive review having slept (or anything else inappropriate) with her. She has received literally hundreds of death and rape threats. People like you are the reason media jumped all over this. People who assume the accusations are true because "FUCK FEMINISM AND FUCK WOMEN WHO SPEAK UP".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 01:04 PM
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...from the perspective of one of the misogynist trolls, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 01:03 PM
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You realise at least 5 prominant female games journalists/industry pros who spoke out about this issue got a raft of death and rape threats right? You literally oppose this solely because social justice is on the other side. It doesnt matter what the facts are to you - the feminists are on the other side so this MUST be bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 01:02 PM
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TRP's view of woman is WoW's view of mounts. They are an accessory to a man's character with a few useful abilities, not another player.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:55 PM
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Patrick Stewart is a noted feminist so this is a particularly inappropriate analogy. Marriages dont need a single leader. This is a red pill myth. The best marriages are collaborative and equal in decision making. The "man as sole provider" gender stereotype is dead in Western Europe. Parts of the USA cling desperately on to it but its time has come.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:53 PM
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I mean what human doesn't want someone who looks like Miranda Kerr, cooks like Paula Deen, homemakes like Martha, childrears like Mary Poppins, all the while fucking like Rihanna? Oral everyday... food on the stove at 5 PM... house looking like the cover of Architectural Digest... don't have to worry about the kids bugging me, my wife handled that... doesn't speak out of turn ... the works. I need me one of them. Now I understand why you RP guys are so pressed. That. sounds. amazing. Personally …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:51 PM
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important qualifier - if you are red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:43 PM
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It doesnt feel empty for you because you've never been "full" basically. If there is one thing consistently in common across the men who embrace TRP, its a lack of past emotional intimacy with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:14 PM
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Most male celebrities are serial monogamists. There are a few who cheat. There are very very few that stay single. And even then its a self-selecting group for men who seek external validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:11 PM
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Anyone with money can get laid (not prostitution, merely dressing expensively and going to the right kind of bars). Yet most guys with money are in monogamous relationships....
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:11 PM
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Men are most fullfilled with spinning plates, women are most fullfilled through serial monogamy I've always wondered what evidence TRP has for this claim? specifically, the "fulfilled" part. All the most impressive men I've ever come across (both personally and in the public sphere) are serial monogamists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:09 PM
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The thing is, all that guy's male friends will know he is sketchy and will never call him out. You may not be a rapist (or maybe you are, I dont know you), but you sure as hell probably enable one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:08 PM
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Step 1 - reject red pill and learn to be a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 12:07 PM
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And you think all women should be rounded up in camps and gassed to death. See! We can both talk utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:38 AM
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The only people who "cant get a relationship" are people who are too low value to be attractive to anyone. Since about 2/3 of personal value is in the hands of the individual to improve, this isnt anyone's fault but the relationship-less guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:38 AM
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Defensiveness is strong in this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 10:35 AM
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The innate variance between men and women is one of a few percentage points degree. Its not significant enough that any useful general generalisations can be drawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 06:59 PM
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Dude read the whole thing: Okay, so what are the similarities and differences between the sexes? There certainly are many similarities. Men and women show no differences in general intelligence or g — on average, they are exactly the same, right on the money. Also, when it comes to the basic categories of cognition — how we negotiate the world and live our lives; our concept of objects, of numbers, of people, of living things, and so on — there are no differences. Indeed, in cases where there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 06:47 PM
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self-proclaimed "nice guys", while obviously guys, are rarely actually nice. Its a label used by people who tend to believe that if they just do X acts of service or kindness to a girl then she will in return give them sex, who then get very angry or bitter when this proves false.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:55 PM
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You can be against the subreddit "thebluepill" but I dont see how you can be against BP itself without being RP or ignorant of the pills. BP is just rejection of RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:54 PM
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Gay culture (e.g. flaming) is largely a reaction to homophobia in the 20th century. Again, its social and cultural more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:53 PM
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I'm just interested how far you think men and women are identical in every way; I cant tell if you dont read my posts, or if this is an attempt at trolling, or you are just an idiot. I have NEVER said men and women are identical in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:52 PM
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Red pill considers cheating "having a soft harem" and something to aspire to, not a sign of failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:51 PM
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Thats not true at all, you just consistently failed to understand what this means: There is vastly more variance withing each gender than there is between the averages of each gender
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:49 PM
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I've already posted it. This debate summarises all the scientific evidence on this topic (with sourcing): http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:48 PM
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Both sides of this debate support my position and both include extensive sourcing. Try reading before you dismiss out of hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:47 PM
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Because until very recently, might made right and men are physically stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:46 PM
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Please stop contributing your lack of reading comprehension to this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:45 PM
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From a BP perspective you very much do choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:44 PM
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No, thats an inaccurate generalisation. Its the SPECIFIC opinions that you hold that upset me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:33 PM
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http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:32 PM
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There is vastly more varience within each gender than there is between the averages of each gender. There are no mental capacities where the difference in average ability between the genders is more than a few %. Men and women do not think in fundamentally different ways - there have been tonnes of studies of this. We are motivated similarly, our psychology works similarly. Any differences are minor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:31 PM
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You misunderstood me. I'm merely saying that you claim "RPW techniques" have improved your marriage, but those "RPW techniques" are just common sense relationship advice that even I, an avowed BPer, already practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 03:30 PM
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We've reached the end of this discussion. Its obvious from your description that your relationship functions much the same as mine. You ascribe your success to red pill-specific dynamics, I ascribe mine to common sense healthy relationship techniques. Unless you are claiming I am lying about my relationship or secretly practicing red pill techniques I dont really know how we can reconcile these positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 03:10 PM
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I dont know you. You write cogently which marks you above the average. Hence moderately intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:34 PM
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Red pillers arent in touch with their own emotions enough to actively want emotional affection so a definite no from that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:33 PM
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3) - Feminist outlets in the current mainstream tend to be third-wave gender feminists like Jezabel which offer fairly extreme, reactionary views that can easily slip over the line into outright intolerance. They have turned into an echo chamber where the original message is lost among self-referential circlejerking leading to an ever more extreme (and oh so snarky) position. Its not healthy. I say this as a Feminist myself. Getting too sucked into any closed-environment circlejerk is bad for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:31 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex Men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased prostitutes. Men with this complex desire a sexual partner who has been degraded (the whore) while they cannot desire the respected partner (the Madonna). You value Madonnas as LTRs but desire debasing women as Whores. Its essentially like walking into a fruit shop, biting into an apple and then putting it back because you dont want one with a bitemark in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:21 PM
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Sorry, but noting the title of one of the few articles explicitly chosen by the Admins to represent basic reading for the sub in the side bar is NOT "Cherry picking".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:18 PM
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How would the man know your reason for not wanting sex if you dont explain it? If a good man will take you explaining your reason as a no, how is that different from just saying no? Obviously withholding sex as a punishment / manipulation is ridiculously unhealthy, but not doing that isnt a red pill trait, its a trait of all healthy relationships. I guess I still fundamentally dont get why you feel RPW offers you something that mainstream relationship advice misses? edit: Just noticed you arent …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:17 PM
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I wasnt calling you a rapist, I was saying your definition of harem encompasses a serial rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 02:14 PM
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Yes, I have a rare disorder that makes me reply to foreveralone gimps on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 12:21 PM
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In that case I'd bet so much money you are a early to mid-20s virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 12:09 PM
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I'm talking about BP, not /r/thebluepill Saying TRP doesnt view women as inferior is laughable given there is a sidebar article entitled "Women, the most responsible teenager in the house".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 12:00 PM
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What defines RPW? HHH describes herself as RPW and she advocates things so extreme (racist, misogynist, abusive) that you couldnt admit publicly without losing your job, children, and possibly liberty. 2) and 3) are common sense advice and good practice for everyone, as I've said I contest your view of supporting 4), so really it is only 1) that distinguishes you from my relationship. I feel like feeling obligated to have sex every time your husband asks isnt healthy. If you'd said "I don't refu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 11:59 AM
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I dont have anger issues. I've literally never lost my temper in my life and virtually never raise my voice. Nice try though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 11:51 AM
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Yes I did, but what I wrote still applies. No, the captain can not always override the FO. That's not how it works. I have a good man. I have a smart, wonderful, good man. There are things that I take care of, there are things that he takes care of. Sometimes, there is conflict, and if I defer to him, it's because I choose to do so. He does not override me What you are describing is NOT a captain/FO relationship. Do you defer to your husband on areas that you take care of? Having different but e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 11:08 AM
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Getting married to a unicorn in a few months time, thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 11:02 AM
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I've got the pretty standard set of "intellectually arrogant" non-PC views: I believe fat people are usually lazy and weakwilled, and if they cared enough they would lose weight. I believe a LOT (but not all, lets say 2/3) of depressed people are depressed because they are lazy and ashamed of their lack of achievement as a result of being lazy, and this develops into a fear of trying because they might fail. I believe it is possible to dislike a culture that is mainstream for a particular racial…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:56 AM
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And this is probably the main point of disagreement between reality and red pill. They genuinely believe their personal experience is representative, with all the selection bias that implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:53 AM
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Again I think this is an extreme mental contortion that you go through so that you, an intelligent, indpedendant woman can continue to buy into RPW. The ENTIRE CORE POINT of a captain/FO relationship is hierarchy. Its why the terminology of captain/FO is used. The captain can ALWAYS override the FO. It is inherently unequal. In order to call Captian/FO a relationship of equals you either have to use an animal farm / 1984 esque definition of equal or else an inverted definition of Captain/FO (the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:48 AM
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I dont think TRP claims to want those kind of women. I think the TRP view is that they dont exist or are so rare as to be impossible to count on
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:46 AM
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I wouldnt say your opinions offend me so much as upset me. It upsets me that there are moderately intelligent, articulate human beings who hold such racist, misogynist, abuse-endorsing views and believe them rationally justified. I'm probably guilty of attacking you for that sometimes. I somehow live with the guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:45 AM
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TRP sociopaths-in-training dont feel guilt so this is unlikely to be a productive topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:32 AM
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Also very probable. A TRP male and an independant, self-aware woman are not compatible in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:31 AM
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Because the idea of women as inferior, illogical, responsibility-less children whose psychology is inherently qualitatively different from men is both ethically repulsive and comprehensively scientifically disproven. And because BP is fundamentally the rejection of RP as wrong - If you understand but dont buy RP (presumably because you arent a bitter foreveralone who hates women), you are BP by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:31 AM
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TRPers are just waiting for lifelike sex robots at which time they will all become MGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:29 AM
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They do. Some/many just go through mental contortions in order to avoid having to define it as inferior. "Woman are better are nurturing and making men feel good" "men are better at leadership, decision making, planning, control, providing, organising, teamwork, etc etc". A Captain / FO relationship is NOT a relationship of equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:27 AM
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I dont think its because they are rare, I think you are right however that they would be nexted before you realised it. Red pill cant distinguish between "independent, doesnt put up with disrespect" and "hamstering, not going to put out", so the former gets nexted as if it were the latter. Its why the women red pillers end up with are always the same kind of insecure, validation-seeking, shallow and from a less wealthy (or more wealthy but unproductive and spoilt) background. Its the group RP te…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:24 AM
2

What is the difference between the kind of men and women you are talking about and traditional conservatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:23 AM
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As a late teenager I once failed to break up with a girl I was unhappy with for 6 months despite (pathetic) attempts. I ended up doing it in public so she wouldnt lose her shit and I could get away quickly. Cowardly bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:21 AM
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In what sense are you BP? You sound totally RP
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:19 AM
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Respect and attraction are factors in compatibility (you arent sexually compatible with someone you arent attracted to, you arent intellectually compatible with someone you dont respect), but only factors not the whole thing. Personally I think if both partners have got their shit together then compatibility is all you need for a perfect relationship. Any weakeness on one partners' part is met by a complimenting strength or mitigation on the others. Short temper on one is met by patience on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:12 AM
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Athol Kay has disclaimed red pill so not a great example. Again, TRP subscribers /= the core of Red Pill. If not there then where?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:06 AM
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How would un-socialised infants (i.e couple months old tops) survive? A 3 year old already has a TONNE of social conditioning. The "nurture" part of your personality develops long before your ability to function independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:05 AM
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Common law is common law. Prosecutors cant do shit if the Judge disagrees with their interpretation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:04 AM
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The men who are self proclaimed "nice guys" you refer to dont meet ANY objective or normative standard of niceness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:03 AM
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What you are describing isnt a monogamous relationship, its a form of recurrant sexual service contract
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:02 AM
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ITT I learned serial rapists have harems
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 10:01 AM
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Only in the USA where homophobia is absolutely rampant and "faggot" is still a commonly used insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 09:59 AM
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Yes, I am. I put a tiny, tiny amount of thought and effort into reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 09:58 AM
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Forced? Its going to be much worse than that. It will be done in accordance with FASHIONs. "Oh butch was so last season daaahling". Say we make ZERO changes to the human body, including the currently available hormone treatments. So only through social engineering, both genders will be indistinguishable in the future? In what sense? Physically one will still have a penis the other ovaries. One will produce more testosterone and thus more muscle, etc. In the sense of performance, on average, acro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 05:58 PM
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If by "discourse" you mean "reddit shitposting" your are using a meaningless metric. Reddit isn't playing for keeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 05:56 PM
2

I'd be willing to give 20% influence to biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:59 AM
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Personally, from the guys I know who are like this, I think its attachment and/or validation issues stemming from shitty childhood. I dont know anyone with a loving nuclear family and who had girlfriends in high school who is like this as a mid-20s or older adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:39 AM
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"Women arent capable of friendship" is my favourite one. Its literally talking about them as if they are sub-human.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:37 AM
3

This thread just reinforces what a lot of BP have always strongly suspected - TRPers are often broken, drama and validation-seeking guys whose childhood fucked up their ability to handle emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:07 AM
5

Coolidge effect occurs in women too so TRPers obsession with it doesnt actually hold up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:05 AM
4

Your childhood issues broke you, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:04 AM
2

Most red pill men, maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:03 AM
1

Using words like "foolish" doesnt somehow explain it, it merely judges it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:03 AM
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More like Groucho Marx effect. TRPers' validation issues are such that they arent interested in any woman who actually appears to WANT them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:02 AM
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The way I read this - broken people are attracted to other broken people. Relationship drama is exciting for people without other exciting things going on in their lives, who need a distraction from their shitty reality, or who are conditioned to equate emotional upset with love (because, e.g. thats what their parents were like to each other). People who have their shit together and are mentally healthy arent interested in this nonsense. If they want excitement, they take it in some healthy cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 11:00 AM
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TRP doesnt care about women, so it doesnt need to justify this phenomenon. Men should do whatever men want. Women should also do whatever men want. If Men dont do what women want, TRP doesnt care. I'm sure if backed into a corner they will say you werent as "good" as you think you were.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:44 AM
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I was also being entirely serious in the post to which you are responding, and this post is not at all sarcastic, no siree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:43 AM
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When I find one I'll let him know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:05 AM
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I was being entirely serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:05 AM
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Hahaha I am an international lawyer. Today I'm working on a power deal in Germany. Guess what law governs the documents? English. Last week I was working on an Ivory Coast natural gas deal. English law. I have Japanese clients. English law I have French clients. English law International deals use English law (or, sometimes, New York Law), including in all of the places you listed. Domestic deals use (unbelievably), domestic law.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:03 AM
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Tolerance of intolerance isnt tolerance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:01 AM
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All dogs have four legs... Someone not wanting to fuck you does not mean they arent attracted to you. For normal people a shitload more goes into the equation than mere attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 10:01 AM
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Common law is rarely if ever precise. Thats kinda the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:59 AM
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All laws work like this. Literally all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:59 AM
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Mine duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:59 AM
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Let's just ignore the fact that people can't change one of their chromosomes. I believe they will be able to. Let's also say, however unlikely, we ban all medical/technological experimentation in the future. The USA might, and will then get left behind. There's no way there will be a universal ban across the developed world, china, india etc. Do you still believe that men and women will be completely indistinguishable in the future? Yes. Even if you cant change sex at will, you'll still be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:58 AM
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There is a compulsory interview round at the very top universities following the LNAT, which fundamentally determines who gets in. The differences are fascinating, but its widely accepted that the top UK universities have far more demanding undergrad than US universities. I had 3 one-on-one or one-on-two tutorials with my professors each week, having to present (orally) an essay for each one. That was a shit tonne of work compared to the US "multiple choice mid-term" model.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:53 AM
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Wanting to be alone is self-absorbed. Loving being the "sole person I have to worry about" is inherently selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:50 AM
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LTRs/Marriage are strongly frowned upon by 4/5 of the TRP community so that's hardly disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:49 AM
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"Has a girlfriend and cheats on her without her knowledge" is a "harem"?? hahahah how fucking Pathetic! You are welcome to your own preferences, what you are not welcome to do is to pretend they are universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 09:48 AM
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Do you think men and women are completely identical in every way, physiologically and psychologically? Physiologically No, but looking only at the average men and women Yes with a precision of +/- 5% for most differences, with a very small number of larger differences. Psychologically No, but the bulk differences are socially conditioned. Do you think that a few centuries from now, men and women will be indistinguishable from one other? Yes, but that will partly be the result of deliberate medic…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 08:04 PM
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FWIW that "precise" wording is the reason litigation and law in general is so expensive in the US. "PRecision" of the kind you are describing (an attempt to be exhaustive) inherently creates loopholes (as being truly exhaustive is literally impossible, there be infinite possible distinctions), which in turn lead to legal disputes. Precise, overly explanatory wording is against the entire spirit of common law - why not just switch to codified law if thats the approach you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 07:59 PM
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US state laws on sexual offences are NOT based on English common law, which has always been consent-based. British law seems very vague English law is the gold standard. It is used worldwide for the bulk of international transactions, and is the model for all common law jurisdictions. The kind of literary precision you are describing actually leads to less precise law as it creates loopholes. In a common law jurisdiction law isnt just statute, its the body of law including precedent. Taken as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 07:57 PM
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putting women on a pedestal? Is there any risk whatsoever anyone in TRP could be accused of that? You treat them like sub-humans, about on par with a particularly unloved pet dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 04:55 PM
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Laws are almost always broad and imprecise in common law jurisdictions. It's the judges and precedents' job to provide the fine detail of application. Just look at the definition of assault. Shouting "BOO" behind someone is within the statutory definition. This isnt some shocking abuse of jurisprudence, its how law has always worked in common law jurisdictions for literally multiple hundreds of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 04:52 PM
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Its fine because I use my powers for good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 02:38 PM
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You care enough to type it all day but not enough to say it? Its the same amount of caring
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 02:37 PM
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Where? And what evidence it was false?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 02:36 PM
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Sexual Offences Act 1956 S3
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 02:36 PM
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Everyone looks like a "leftist and SJW" to your typical red piller - its a matter of perspective. You lot are hard-right misogynists, most are outward racists too (hi HHH). From that perspective even moderate right wing people look like "leftish SJWs"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 01:01 PM
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You youself use the word "slut" on reddit constantly but admit you wouldnt use it IRL. Why not? Don't have the courage of your convictions? Pretend to be tough on the internet but cant back it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 01:00 PM
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Pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 12:28 PM
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you really cannot talk with people who disagree with you without mocking or insulting them in some way. you have no reading comprehension or ability to reason rationally Quality quote-chain right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:38 AM
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Why would I cross the line when I'm currently happy, successful, a leader and a winner? What possible benefit that I dont already have would I gain by selling out my ethical principles? I've achieved everything I could possibly want to date without compromising my BP moral position and ethical standards. RP has nothing to offer me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:37 AM
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Its funny, for a philsophy that is supposedly morally neutral there is a HELL OF A LOT OF INVECTIVE spewn in your average thread...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:35 AM
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Surely whether it goes too far or not will depend on how the police and courts apply it? Its technically illegal to surprise someone (its assault), doesnt mean anything in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:31 AM
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exchanging money for sex isnt actually illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:27 AM
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Find me one!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:27 AM
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Personally as a BPer I dont see a problem with this law. For red pillers - I know this will make it much much much harder for you to get laid, but imagine the hilarity of a woman giving evidence that she "only slept with him because she thought he was rich". In practice this is only going to be used in extreme cases. FYI there has been a law like this on the books in the UK for about 50 years and there havent been any abuses of it. The handfull of times it has been relevant have been situations …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:26 AM
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The reason institutions do this is to reputation-manage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:22 AM
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A battle-island to which they are all deported along with an assortment of different weapons to fight to the death, televised for the enjoyment of better-adjusted people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:19 AM
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BP does have those tools, its actually Red pill that lacks them. Look at the (typically great) BP advice given on /r/relationships. How did those BP people get those kinds of insights (particularly, when to dump someone and when to fight for them), if BP doesnt have the tools? Red pill on the other hand explicitly tells you to dump and move on from a girl who isnt "giving you what you need" (aka sex whenever you want it). This rules out most women, leaving only the very rare high-libedo women an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:16 AM
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/13/european-union-immigration-survey http://www.pewglobal.org/2011/11/17/the-american-western-european-values-gap/ http://www.whyiseurope.com/2013/04/europe-liberal-world-values-map.html http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSContents.jsp
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:03 AM
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main sub has a sidebar describing women as well-behaved teenagers claims red pill isnt misogynistic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:01 AM
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Were going to end up with a world where all the attractive women fuck the top .1% of men, those men keep harems around. This can happen because biologically a man can fuck multiple women, but a woman usually do not have multiple men. Once women become unattractive by age, they marry the rich nerd. Except this hasnt happened and wont happen. Even the most attractive and successful "playboy" alphas (say, Jude Law) dont have harems, they are STILL serial monogamists (who occasionally cheat). Once w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:56 AM
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You are definining self-absorbed selfishness and then claiming I'm small minded for looking down on that? I'll take that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:51 AM
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More or less yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:49 AM
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This sentiment occasionally comes up academically by certain people in PPD but its not the way "alpha" and "beta" are used conversationally in /r/theredpill or in many of the sidebar articles
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:48 AM
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Here's the strategy I use, and everyone else successful I know uses: Confidence, like yourself first and foremost, give and expect respect in equal measure, follow and expect high standards of behaviour, choose to find the small shit amusing rather than annoying. Take compatibility over every other reason for dating someone. Sleep is for pussies get out there and do new stuff. Its worked spectacularly for me both in love and in life so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:25 AM
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BINGO
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:22 AM
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You are the only red pill person who has replied to this sentiment with that view.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:21 AM
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What's the difference? Jesus christ sometimes I think TRP is just a bunch of elite liberal intellectuals trolling the rest of us. Are you seriously asking me what the difference is between being attracted to someone and being willing to sleep with someone? In either case, someone's relationship needs aren't being met, and why should someone stay in a relationship with someone who isn't willing or able to meet their needs? When your needs are "sex, how I like it, whenever I want it, and fuck your…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:19 AM
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Its literally defined by being against RP. How is this even arguable?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:16 AM
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Sucks that you are a middle-aged failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:15 AM
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that doesnt even make sense as a response
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:15 AM
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The very fact that you post so much to RP shows that your consider your sexual strategy much more important than those other areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:27 PM
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Any good advice helps. If you credit red pill with such generic advice the downside is all the toxic misogynistic bullshit red pill also peddles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:18 PM
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Mind telling me of these rights that women are not being granted? The only things that strings to mind to me are the laws saying men have no right to not be a father. I was thinking of stuff like men not being entitled to largely the same paternity leave as women are to maternity leave, some residual unfairness against men in custody proceedings, sentencing for "non consensual sex" not being equal across the genders etc. Mostly areas in which men lose out. Women mostly have full legal equality n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:58 PM
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My libedo has, if anything, increased. I haven't just changed, I've become a vastly better, more mature, rounded, fulfilled and accomplished person. I just like the rush of having sex with a new person and prefer being alone the rest of the time. Yes, like most RPers you arent capable of deep emotional connections with others (yet? one hopes!) Some people just don't find happiness through relations and connections with other people. Correct - broken people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:56 PM
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All BP is is the the rejection of RP. Thats it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:55 PM
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Oh its an internet hardman act is it? You hide behind anonymity to make arguments and claims you never would in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:54 PM
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You had your shit together despite being a total doormat?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:54 PM
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Heres the thing. TRP is the belief that AWALT and thus theres no reason for you NOT to pump and dump her. BP is the knowledge that only a VERY SMALL SUBSET of women are like that, and thus the advice would be the opposite - steer well clear and find a decent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:52 PM
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Me too, what is your point? You dont need RP advice to stopo being a doormat, literally anyone who gives good advice could tell you that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:49 PM
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TRP is a mix of common knowledge / obvious self-improvement advice and toxic narcissism/misogyny aimed at people who were rejected sexless losers in their younger years who resent women and yearn for shallow sexual validation at any cost to "show those bitches". Also for some reason theres also a pinch of right wing political rhetoric thrown in for good measure, not really sure of the link there except I guess misogyny and enforcing traditional gender roles tends to attract the right wingers?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:15 PM
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I think the reverse will be the case. RP will die over the next 20-40 years. Traditional gender-role conservatives will die off as a movement. The social differences between men and women will continue to narrow, as they have done consistently for the last thousand years, but at an ever increasing pace. Legal rights will become equal across the board and as the older generation dies off, social attitudes will coalesce around a new gender-neutral norm. Being a misogynist will become increasingly …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:14 PM
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I say that valuing 1 thing is morally equivalent to valuing 100 things, and my opinion is just as valid as yours. Thats fine and if this were a debate about morality I'd have to refute this somehow. But its not, its a debate about whether this is an accurate description of TRP's view of women: a woman is just the thing attached to a cunt that keeps you from fucking it. And saying this: Sex is one of the most important things, that's true, and it's the thing we have to expend the most effort to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:08 PM
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Thats not "red pill" advice that's just general good advice. Do you think BP advice is "be a doormat, pander to her crazy irrational bullshit, apologise when you arent at fault and escalate arguments"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:04 PM
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Yes I did have my "shit together" but the power dynamic in the couple was all one sided. These two things are mutually exclusive. Having your shit together means being assertive, standing up for yourself, not being pushed around (among many other things).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:03 PM
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Interesting, start a thread telling us your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:33 PM
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So what does that have to do with red pill? he didn't have to use manipulation/dread and emotional infidelity at all So what red pill techniques that arent just basic "good advice as agreed by everyone" did he use? Try to follow the debate
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:32 PM
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I had it in my early 20s then I grew up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:31 PM
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Actually that was a general statement about why TRP seemed to work, not intended to be personal. I have no idea who you are and dont recognise your username from previous discussions (if we had any), so it wasnt intended to be personal. Was I correct that prior to your TRP conversion you didnt "have your shit together"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:30 PM
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Your argument was just "not true" when I posted that, and thus I was just mocking you. You realise anyone reading this can see the edit history right? Anyway Western Europe is statistically much less socially conservative than the USA, this should be pretty unarguable. Caring about women's sexual history is a conservative trait that is heavily frowned upon in liberal circles. Stop pretending to know how all men think. "Charming" is a quality only attractive to a small subset of disillusioned wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:29 PM
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nuh-uh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:29 PM
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I would be willing to bet almost any amount of money that your wife's frigidity was due to you being a fat lazy asshole and not as a power tool, and once you got your shit together she became more attracted to you. The manipulation wasnt necessary, the self-improvement was.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:20 PM
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I wouldnt describe that as "complying", its just "not resisting". Here's the UK law commission report on your premise: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228746/0167.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:07 PM
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You use the world "slut" all the time. No-one I know IRL does
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:03 PM
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doesnt even make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:02 PM
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Using manipulation, dread and emotional infidelity to control your partner isnt my idea of an "improved" marriage (and all the other changes are just generic "stop being a loser" advice) but whatever floats your boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:02 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/1okn7p/update_just_found_out_a_few_hours_ago_that_my/ Top comment Also "learn to play guitar" comes up in RP from time to time, and also falls within the category of "get interesting hobbies"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:57 PM
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My view is that the elements of that advice that improved your marriage are common, not exclusive to red pill. The bits that are exclusive didnt improve your marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:33 PM
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The number of TRPers looking for a LTR is very low and many many people in the TRP community think LTRs are a waste of time. Even in the red pill married community, 90% of the posts are about getting more and better sex. Its really not untrue to say red pill is obsessed with sex as the main goal in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:17 PM
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You've picked a post from 6 months ago with only TWO top level replies and the "top voted" comment has THREE upvotes. How is that in any way representative of a sub with frontpage posts with multiple hundred replies and upvotes? Even then, look at the next line: Make yourself a more interesting person: learn a musical instrument, participate in a school play, join the swimming team, visit the gym. Give dating a shot. Be confident, and don't expect to get along well with all the girls. Also, find…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:12 PM
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To me none of what you have said is different from "normal, non-TRP" advice. Go on /r/relationships, where red pill people get downvoted to oblivion, and you'll see: ""Wake up. Get your shit together. Understand social and sexual dynamics. Retain your independance" as advice given to both genders nearly every time. The only bit that might be different is what "social and sexual dynamics" you believe exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:10 PM
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As I've said before I work in finance in a global hub. I dont know anyone who uses the word "slut" (unironically anyway) let alone exhibits the bias you are describing. I dont think the world of finance is usually considered a "bunch of weird BP assholes or SJWs".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:09 PM
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Please do explain how it is possible to be using "dread game" if the person you are supposedly using it on doesnt know about your actions. The WHOLE POINT of dread game is for them to know you have other options so they try harder. Literally the whole point. If they dont know, its not dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:06 PM
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Thats just telling her not to hang all her hope on this one guy she isn't exclusive with. It explicitly IS NOT telling her to do these things in front of him to make him jealous. Nice comprehension yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:26 AM
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bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:06 AM
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How is: You should talk to him and figure out where you stand. Dread game, or in ANY WAY compatible with being red pill at all? Red pill would describe "talking about your feelings" as anathema
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:06 AM
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I love that your responded to a straw man accusation with an even dumber straw man
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:05 AM
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Um, no. On /r/relationships, which is about as BP as it gets (go there and try posting some RP advice and see how that works out for you), it is the ubiquitous response to a breakup: delete facebook, hit the gym, reconnect with friends and hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:04 AM
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The parts of TRP that arent just "universal good advice anyone could give you", work but only on a self-selecting subset of damaged women. It wouldnt work on any of the women I have dated or in my friendship group. How do I know this? Because I've seen it tried many, many times over the years and watched the TRPers get shot down, and I know who my friends date. You also have no idea what a "BP response is". "Hit the gym" or "Wear better clothes" is BP advice as much as RP. "Just be yourself" is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:02 AM
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TRP glorifies women's cunts, mouths and assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:00 AM
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You built your life around your sexual strategy, there are other options, many of which include tonnes of great sex as a byproduct.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:00 AM
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And this is yet another example of TRP thinking that assumes EVERYONE is just as shallow, narcissistic and sex-obsessed as they are. Dude, the reason you are like this is you didnt get sex as a teenager, got rejected a lot and now equate sex to proving your worthyness, AKA validation. Most guys dont feel this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:59 AM
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You basically are just quibbling and agreed with everything he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:58 AM
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The reason your argument and analogy is false is that that woman's subreddit will talk about valuing 100 different things, of which financial stability is just one. Access to sex is literally the only reason TRP is interested in women. "Men want sex, women want commitment", "emotional intimacy is beta", etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:56 AM
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A+ would analogy again
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:55 AM
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Amazing that you'd be willing to admit to this view of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:54 AM
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Sometimes, in more lucid moments, they even are willing to acknowledge that this is all about validation and healing unhealable wounds caused by rejection in their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:54 AM
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I hear rape allegations against a powerful politician in the late 1970s are likely to have ended really well for the victim
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:53 AM
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They generally dont. I dont advocate doxxing (its evil), but it would be so interesting to see what proportion of red pillers are ACTUALLY successful with women and what proportion want to be but arent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:50 AM
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Definitely. TRPers get together with women who share their low opinion of women. BPers get together with other egalitarians. The difference is TRPers think their experience (and more specifically, prejudices) are universal (but BPers are just deluded). BPers KNOW their's are not because they have observed red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:49 AM
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I think its the people you hang out with, to be honest. I dont know anyone who feels the way TRPers do about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:48 AM
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Why do you call yourself RedPillDad when this and many of your other posts dispute basic Red Pill axioms? You know confidence, working out, being assertive, etc are not unique red pill advice right? They are literally universal dating/life advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:43 AM
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100% agree OP, good post. TRP thought states axioms like: Women find commitment valuable, but men find sex valuable but never proves this. A HUGE amount of scientific studies have looked at male and female sexual/partnering motivatiosn and found no statistically significant differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:42 AM
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she complied with her body What the hell do you even mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:37 AM
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I don't get emotionally attached Which is why, to me, TRP is so sad and shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:31 AM
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Not true. RP is inherently and openly expressly misogynistic. Whatever prejudice you may have against BP, you have to accept that the outward expression of feeling on cheating is that it is not tolerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:30 AM
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Thats pretty much two sides of the same coin, your statement being the general case and my statement merely being the more specific case of entitlement in interpersonal relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:29 AM
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"Lack of sexual partners" as a quality in women is only attractive to a certain subset of conservative men. This subset is reasonably large in USA but fairly tiny in western europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:28 AM
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try reading the intros and see if it hooks you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:27 AM
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Thanks for letting me know bro.
/r/MarriedRedPill24/11/14 10:26 AM
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When I say "we" I certainly dont include RP in that, I meant BP. RP literally does teach guys to treat women as near-interchangable walking vaginas/validation machines/status symbols. Not meeting your demands? Find another interchangeable replacement!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:26 AM
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Mainstream feminism is pretty openly in support of fair treatment for men who want to pursue traditionally female roles in society (parenting, nursing, etc etc). MRA is unsuccessful for the same reason that anti-immigration movements are unsuccessful. For every well reasoned argument there are 5 "FUCK THOSE BITCHES" nutters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:24 AM
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we'd have a lot more rape happening A lot more? Most women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime as it is. I forgot that among its many other delightful contradictions, Redpill simultaneously downplays women's right to not-consent AND the prevelance of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:21 AM
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None of what you just wrote explains any conceptual reasons for being in favour of non-whites leaving the USA (as Gigglef and other white supremacists advocate), other than basic racial hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:20 AM
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Whole of US statistics: http://www.statisticbrain.com/adoption-statistics/ 5.5% of all adoptions and 19% of single parent adoptions are single men. These statistics are growing enormously each year. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-14-foster_n.htm The main barrier to single male adoption? Lack of single men who want to adopt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:18 AM
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You're literally saying the equivalent of "If you remove the negative consequences an action, then more people will do that action". No fucking way! hahaahaha. No. It shouldnt surprise me after all this time, but its always a slight eye-opener to be reminded that people like you cant conceive that other people arent all just as selfish, narcissistic and amoral as you are. There is this thing called "empathy" and closely related concept of "morality" which would prevent a decent majority (includi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:10 AM
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It never ceases to amaze me that people think of "being a warrior for social justice" is an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:00 AM
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Blue pill means "knowing about red pill and rejecting it".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:59 AM
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No, by definition blue pill is the rejection of red pill. Most people arent either red or blue pill as they arent aware of the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:58 AM
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Red pill thinks men only really care about sex (or at least, sex first and foremost). Blue pill disputes this fundamentally. Waiting until a third date for sex is not "clearly not attracted". This and other replies to me from red pillers demonstrate another flaw of red pill thought - red pillers assume blue pillers are just like them before they took the red pill. NOT CORRECT. Red pillers were (mostly) Nice Guys before they took the red pill. Blue pillers are a third point in the triangle. Peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:54 AM
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Because non-red pill guys dont see women as interchangeable cum dumpsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:52 AM
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So if a man starts having sex with his wife, with zero show of force or intent of force, and she physically complies while saying the words "no no no", is there a threat implied there? Yes. Which is why the law in most developed countries treats that as rape. Is he a threat just by dint of being male? Its simply by dint of clearly ignoring her express lack of consent. This seem slike impossible territory here, not to mention super unlikely Its neither. This situation is more common than violent …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:52 AM
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Disagree with final line.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 08:22 PM
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A blue pill guy accepts that some girls dont want to have sex on the second date. Some want to take things slow, and that doesnt rule them out as good potential partners. Blue pill is literally the opposite of feeling entitlement. The guys you are describing arnt blue pill, they are "pre-pill" Nice Guys - and in fact they are EXACTLY the kinds of guys who go on to take the red pill when they discover it. Blue pill is knowing of the red pill and rejecting it. You are conflating it with "Nice Guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 08:21 PM
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Threat is implied. I promise you the law would treat this as robbery.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 08:19 PM
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Your opinions are also distorted by your own prejudice. That mean that if the girl is not attracted to YOU move on and stop wasting your time This isnt correct. TRP states that if the girl is NOT WILLING TO FUCK YOU, you move on and stop wasting your time. Its nothing to do with attraction, its purely whether you can get your desired outcome out of it. If you fully buy into TRP thinking and discard the opinions of those who are BP as prejudiced, why did you post this here and not in TRP or RPM?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:48 PM
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Not entitled. Entitlement is the believe that someone is wronging you by not treating you in a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:47 PM
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Battery requires intent to inflict injury or cause fear of injury in most jurisdictions. Do you believe a "justice" system should just automatically believe a wife when she says "I was saying no no no no please stop i dont want this no voer and over and he refused to stop" with zero evidence she actually resisted him and convict a man of felony rape and send him to jail? God no. I believe you presume innocence and need evidence beyond all reasonable doubt before conviction. I of course believe e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:42 PM
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Women love charming people. Most sociopaths are charming. A charming non-sociopath will have just as much success, or more, than a charming sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:39 PM
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Obviously the title will get a lot of redpill guys worked up and there will be lots of sarcastic responses. What you are effectively asking, however, is how do you teach your sons to respect women and their right to consent or not consent to sex. Having your relationship with your partner exhibit a high degree of respect will also help. Expect them to respect themselves and others, to be considerate and not to be selfish, and this wont be an issue. Explaining the basics of consent and in particu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:24 PM
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Henry is romantically successful with only broken victims of prior abuse. The Author does not hit on broken abuse victims. Henry would not succeed with the kind of women the author wants to date Yes, but again its not "success" its preselection for other broken people. Possible yes. It depends whether that "deserve" thought manifests as "women ought to like me more" or as "a good universe would be one where positive qualities lead to positive outcomes, I wish this were a good universe". The form…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:04 PM
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Thanks for the links. Fascinating if, to me, somewhat alarming. As you've seen the UK laws you understand what I am advocating. It seems incredible to me that there can be states in which a person can be saying "please no, stop" etc, crying, begging, making it absolutely clear they do not want to proceed and its still not rape provided it is not physically forced, but I take your point. EDIT: Actually look at (18 Pa. C.S. § 3101): "Forcible Compulsion" – Compulsion by use of physical, intellectu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 05:03 PM
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Please could you identify your state, or if youd prefer not to, another state with similar lack of focus on consent, so I can look up the statutes. I'm not aware of US states which do not use consent as the basis of sexual crimes. Do you live in the third world? I'd assumed you lived in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:20 PM
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZ4jcl2LrA Terry Crewes is one of my favourite feminists too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:16 PM
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He isnt a "conceptual felon" - he is someone who has committed a felony. He may well be prosecuted, it entirely depends on the evidence. Many many many convictions for non-violent spousal rape have occured. I've already answered your other questions - IT DEPENDS ON THE EXACT FACTS OF THE CASE. To give an example of non-forcible rape, a man asks his wife if she will have sex, she says "no, please dont" but then doesnt physically resist him out of fear of the repurcussions except to say "please st…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:11 PM
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The difference between the chances of a single man and a single women are not materially different. 10 times as many women APPLY than men though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:08 PM
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She pretty obviously is not. Have you read what she posts? She is a racist, sexist, hate-filled crazy pining for the biblical era only with less brown people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:43 PM
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You dont need to assault and batter someone to rape them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:40 PM
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How is what I am doing "cherry picking" but what you are doing not? Jesus was a healer preaching forgiveness and peace Its funny when christian people say this with one breath and then call for the opposite with the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:37 PM
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Germany allows single men to adopt. Section 1741 of the civil code. Its a HUGE HUGE HUGE backpedal from "its basically impossible" to "its more difficult".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:36 PM
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Are you really relying on the law in backward third world countries in an argument of how progressive western democracies would react to a new legal situation? Its self-evidently true that is is not "close to 100% impossible or illegal" for a man to adopt as a single parent in western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 01:42 PM
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source for any of these claims? The IRA targetted civilians for not being catholic. Abortion bombers are overwhelmingly fundamentalist christians. There are christian terrorist groups in India, Lebanon and many african countries all of which target civilidans. There are tonnes of quote from the bible NT endorsing slaughtering people. The bible (new testament even) endorses death for apostasy (see e.g. Romans 1:20-32 or Matthew 15:1-9
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 01:33 PM
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he said: "Close to 100%" truth says: "most" "many countries" generally means religious and third world countries. I assure you western countries do not have that policy (and it would be actively illegal in Europe to do so)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 01:29 PM
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What evidence do you have that Christianity is no longer a death cult?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 01:06 PM
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So your response to Mistress Natalie was false
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 01:06 PM
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You need to distinguish between "biologically feminine" behaviours like nurturing and "socially feminine" behaviours like being submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:06 PM
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They already did this experiment. THe BP guy is called "Ralph", the red pill guy is called "Jack". The report of this experiment is informally referred to as "Lord of the flies"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:04 PM
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She looks in a mirror, mostly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:02 PM
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Why doesnt your husband dump you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:02 PM
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For the same reason there are childfree couples already? Because an emotionally satisfying mutually supportive LTR is literally the best thing ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:01 PM
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last resort of a lost argument
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:01 PM
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You got schooled and your only response is "na na na I'm right your wrong"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 12:00 PM
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You are quoting MRA sources to evidence what FEMINISTS think? That Andrea Dworkin quote is hyperbole about forcibly removing womens wombs so you can use them independently, it has NOTHING TO DO with the technology in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:59 AM
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Bullshit. Feminists are all in favour of this, for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:58 AM
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Except you can adopt a child as a single man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:57 AM
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This isnt true at all. Men getting fair treatment for child visitation, not being discriminated against for nursing jobs etc are all gender politics issues that, if pursued, benefit men. True "MRAs" and true "feminists" actually want the same thing - fair and equal treatment by society regardless of sex, but both sides have so many toxic sex-supremacists that they will never be reconciled.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:57 AM
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The government wont do this. The government lets single men adopt already
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:55 AM
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Liar U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, 33% of children adoption from Foster Care is by a single parent (U.S. DHHS, 2000).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:54 AM
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BP here - looks great for everyone and will further diminish the need or desire for traditional gender roles and the sexism and bullshit that goes with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:53 AM
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Meh I wasnt a jock (or bullied) at school, I have a fucking amazing life now. I know lots of "jocks" who are now in your position. Sorry your life choices sucked but its nothing to do with your HS status and everything to do with all the decisions and effort made since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:52 AM
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I havent heard the expression. Presumably its self-imposed sexism to your own detriment, like being a man and bottling up your emotions because its the "manly" thing to do, or being a woman and not standing up for yourself or being assertive because you want to be more "feminine"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:48 AM
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There are and have been christian extremists, christian genocides, christian murders and ethnic cleansing and bombings Christianity has a hell of a lot of blood on its hands. Why doesnt this make Christianity a religion of death too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:38 AM
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Face it - you dont hate immigrants, you hate brown people. I bet you dont have the same objections to australian immigrants.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:15 AM
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Being given a "get out of crime free card" for something you are physically capable of imposing is effectively an entitlement. Your claim to have legal training is clearly false as you repeatedly fail to distinguish between evidentiary issues and actual actus reus/mens rea which makes up the criminal act. Lack of conclusive evidence, or even lack of the possibility of conclusive evidence, does not cause a crime to fail to be constituted nor should it. If a man says to his own wife "have sex with…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:11 AM
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What makes this statement any more true than saying the same thing about Christianity?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:04 AM
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There are mentally ill and disaffected people in every population. IRA, Animal Rights, Basque sepratist, Abortion clinic bombings. There have been plenty of white terrorist groups filled with a mix of true believers and angry revenge-seekers. Some people do literally just want to watch the world burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 11:04 AM
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Are you missing the bit in this chain where we were talking about this: desperately trying to fill the hole in their soul left from childhood rejection with validation from meaningless sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:09 PM
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Why on earth would I let my relationship get to the point of not having any sexual intimacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:08 PM
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Based on the evidence. The expression "case by case basis" is never more appropriate. It would entirely depend on the evidence that rape has occured. I dont understand what you are trying to get at here at all. Many many many people have been convicted for rape of their SO or spouse. Each case is completely different. The standard of proof is "beyond all reasonable doubt", like any other criminal charge, and you'd prove it in much the same way. There is no generic answer to "how would you prove …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:02 PM
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dont value =/= value less
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:00 PM
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No, its true at current GNIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:57 PM
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I'm a lawyer and my fiance has been raped, I know exactly how serious it is. He should be prosecuted for it. Every time. The problem is meeting a standard of proof that is inherently unmeetable in most of the common iterations. This doesnt mean it shouldnt be illegal, and conflating the two just shows a lack of understanding of jurisprudence. You are muddling evidentiary issues with the question of whether behaviour should be illegal in the first place. Now the prosecution wont be sufficient to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:39 PM
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Anyone with even vague understanding of statistical measures of income (i.e. what defines poverty) would understand what "at parity" means. What I meant (and indeed, said) was that at PPP being in the bottom 10% in Italy gave a better standard of living than being in the bottom 10% in the USA due to socialised healthcare etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:33 PM
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Presumably the irony of this one-liner from you is lost on you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:03 PM
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This gets even better. Do you believe in "rape without violence"? I'm not asking about evidentiary issues, I'm talking about conceptually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:02 PM
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madonna-whore complex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:02 PM
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I dont believe a few % immigration a year has a negative impact on the local culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:00 PM
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Surely in any assessment of whether it is subjectively better to be poor in country X or country Y, only purchasing power parity measures of income are relevant as far as income measures go?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 04:58 PM
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Should all non-indians leave the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 04:14 PM
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I mean if the cost of living was the same
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 04:12 PM
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That is literally the same thing, the only difference being what you label the act. Most rapes dont involve violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 04:12 PM
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Again, zero connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 04:10 PM
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I am a feminist and SJW, both strongly. I take everything on the evidence and specific context. I dont let my leanings override my judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:23 PM
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Doesnt change anything. Your claim that " Americans have the tendency to strongly overrate the impact of the welfare state on people's non work-related life decisions" is counterfactual. 10.6 million americans are in medical poverty, for a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:21 PM
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But cant you see your mindset on this is just the result of the harm you suffered in your youth, and if you were better adjusted you wouldnt feel this need in the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:11 PM
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You can also read it as there is a full transcript. Enjoy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:10 PM
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I am European. You have no idea how different it is here. I read a lot of what Americans have to say on topics like healthcare, consumer rights, education rights, employee rights. Americans have no idea how much better life could be. If anything most americans massively UNDERRATE how much having stuff like guaranteed free healthcare can make to your (mental) health and happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:10 PM
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name calling? ITs the definition of wanting people of other races to leave your country. Classic fallacy of believing an unreasonable opinion delivered in a reasonable tone is somehow rendered reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:08 PM
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Since the government doesnt deliberately do that, what does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:07 PM
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The Married Women's Property Act 1870 begs to differ. Also worth reading: John Stuart Mill (heard of him?), 1869 in The Subjection of Women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 03:06 PM
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I agree with you, but where we would disagree is on what constitutes a lef-wing radical. I dont believe the bulk of feminists and other "SJWs" fall within this term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:59 PM
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Looking at your comment history I wouldnt be surprised if you've always been RP and have never had a gf and this is just rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:56 PM
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Every developed nation, literally every single one, has a greater social welfare state than the USA. Even Japan, which is saying something as thats a hyper conservative culture if ever there was one. I would not bet on say South Italy, that it is much better to be poor than in the USA, or Portugal. This is just ignorant. At Parity its much better to be in the bottom 10% of poor in South Italy than in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:50 PM
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Again this ignores the fact that all of these gendered pronouns can be reversed and it is still accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:47 PM
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The fact that you know a tonne of scumbag women doesnt make you any less of a scumbag.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:00 PM
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Then explain your comment. You are practically blaming other people's opposition for your own toxic views
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:00 PM
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It really is
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:58 AM
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Your posts show you to be a misogynist "Nice Guy". I doubt you even leave your basement let alone know any RL feminists. Your post history is very very consistently anti-feminist, right wing conservative bullshit. There is zero chance you were ever a left wing feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:53 AM
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Tumblr Feminism is about 30 people in total in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:52 AM
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Calling bullshit. Unless by "met" you mean "seen memes about". Where have you met all these militant feminists? In what context did you get into this discussion? Cheating is catagorically wrong regardless. Sometimes it is somewhat excusable, but it is NEVER justified. Whenever anyone says "Lots of feminists have told me" I just roll my eyes. I refuse to believe you even KNOW "lots of feminists" IRL, let alone have had indepth conversations like this with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:52 AM
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No it fucking isnt. Where are you getting this from? I've never met ANYONE in my life who thinks cheating is socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:50 AM
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He isnt dating "hot independent women" he is dating "literally anyone who will have him, please"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:49 AM
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Sounds like your needyness, low self-esteem and lack of selection are the issues then
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:49 AM
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Anyone who has sex with someone and then looks down on the other person for having done it has a peculiarly twisted and sociopathic approach to life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:47 AM
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And what penalties fell on men for the same crimes? Also none
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:45 AM
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Alternatively, so many people seem to value sexual frequency and variety less than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:43 AM
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I'd rather have sex once a month and an otherwise perfect LT relationship with the love of my life than have 10 good plates and nothing but superficial emotional connections. Luckily I have both a good sex life AND the LTR, but still..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:42 AM
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They dont think men have material emotional needs, basically, because they are a bunch of closed off broken toys desperately trying to fill the hole in their soul left from childhood rejection with validation from meaningless sex..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:41 AM
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In many non-US developed countries women do not seem to be as drawn to the USA "alpha male" stereotype, or indeed even providers, as they are in the US. The US has a unique "sink or swim" culture that encourages peopel to prioritise survival (which is a given in a social welfare state), which leads to the odd "beta bux" syndrome you dont get so much in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:38 AM
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Proud racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:35 AM
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TRP is a particulalry toxic mix of narcissism, lack of empathy and sex-validation seeking behaviour that can kinda be summed up as "Self-supremacy". When put like that its not surprising it goes hand it hand with hating different races.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:35 AM
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I think we can guess
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:32 AM
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10-25% you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:32 AM
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Its always still the other person (either gender) fault for cheating but yes, its obvious that she is attracted to douchebags and only she can change that. Their fault, her responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:32 AM
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BOOM!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:30 AM
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This just sounds made up. Who did this "anti-slut shaming rhetoric"? It sounds to me like either you are making this up completely or you actually mean "After she cheated I went on a misogynistic rant against all women and people called me out". "Blue pill types?" Blue pill just means you are aware of red pill and disagree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:29 AM
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All of them cheated, all of them were excused because it's wrong to slut shame and I got my as chewed pretty hard for apparently trying to control a woman's sexuality. I dont believe you. You are lying. BP doesnt tolerate cheating. If one or two of your girlfriends cheated on you, thats because there is something wrong with them. If all 7 of your girlfriends cheated on you, thats because there is somethign wrong with you. This whole OP just screams troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:28 AM
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sexual validation isnt its own category of validation. Validation is just validation. If I am validated by non-sexual things, then I am validated, full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:35 AM
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This sounds like a particularly lonely kind of RL trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:34 AM
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Um hate to break this to you, but many animals have completely different attitudes among sexual interaction to humans. Many animals can be socialised into new attitudes. Heck, sexual attitudes 2000 years ago were completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:33 AM
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http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:29 AM
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I actually feel kinda sad for you, that all of your relationships are driven by a need for validation, rather than any more meaningful connection. I am friends with people because I find them fun to be around, they've got my back when I need it, and I've got there's. Not because it flatters my ego to be liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:29 AM
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THOSE COPS AND THEIR FEMINIST AGENDA!!! Seriously?? You seriously believe this? You think cops are biased against men because feminists made them be? Rather than because they have old-fashioned sexist views that violence by a woman against a man is less serious than the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:25 AM
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The difference between average male and female ability at any given mental task is less than 5%. You can completely control for this difference and the mistreatment of women doesnt go away. Most women don't even want to do stem and why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:23 AM
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How often do you see men specifically going after financially secure or high-status women? Or after creative/geek/whetever types? Extremely frequently, at least among high-status people here. I dont live in the USA so the "conservative frat boy SAHM WASP" culture doesnt apply. For example, men who are attracted to financially successful or smart women will self-identify as financially successful or smart themselves I agree. I also think this applies to women attracted to those traits, at least i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:22 AM
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I'm just making the point that this truism is the core of all mainstream advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:18 AM
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Well it will depend on your subjective view of "worth", for example if you have a moral or ethical system (i.e. are not a sociopath) then that system will assign worth to things, for example charity, compassion, empathy, good deeds, knowledge, learning, culture, mind-broadening, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:17 AM
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I'm saying that the probability of successful fertilization after any sexual encounter will vary depending on the quality and quantity of the guy's sperm. There is absolutely nothing connecting the "quality of a man's Genes" and "the swimming speed of his sperm"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:15 AM
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I love how your TRPers spout this pseudo scientific bullshit like its actual science.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:14 AM
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The friend zone doesnt exist in any world. Its just a bad excuse for pathetic indirect passive creepers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:12 AM
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I agree but TRP theory posits their observations are universal biological/evolutionary psychology driven truths (AWALT), when this is laughable to anyone outside of the USA "Look how fucking expensive my car is dude" fratboy culture (which by the way, is considered vulgar in the extreme over here)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:07 AM
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I can agree with that view of the SMP. Many of the things TRP describes are accurate and do exist, however very few if any are universal or inherent. As I've always said, I think TRP works on, and pre-filters for, a particular subset of not-particularly-mentally-stable-or-intelligent women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 10:04 AM
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Guys if any Purple or blue pill people were looking for absolute proof that TRP is a bunch of toxic misogyny for dinosaurs who treat women as property, this is it right here. PS: I'm a lawyer. No-one "owns" anyone else's sexual or reproductive autonomy nor is it POSSIBLE to grant any kind of ones autonomy to another, literally by definition. A parent is legally responsible for a child, and a child may in some circumstances not have legal autonomy, but that doesnt mean the parent "owns the childs…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:59 AM
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This makes sense for LTRs, but what about NSA FWBs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:12 PM
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It has no inherent worth. External validation is, inherently, not inherent!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:11 PM
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How about the effort, energy, time and resources you expend doing it, when you could get the same payoff from a single phonecall to an existing FWB?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:45 PM
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No. My cohort are all young finance professionals dating other young finance professionals. Most are in multi year LTRs, a few are married or engaged. Very few are single. A couple have very young kids. None are divorced. Unlike in the US, here "wife as SAHM" isnt really socially accepted among social elites anymore. 1-2 years off then back to high-flying career is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:43 PM
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But why? Why would someone prefer sex with a stranger to sex with a FWB? What is it about novelty that improves the experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:41 PM
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I dont think the "zen state" is "not needing external validation", I think it is "defining what gives you external validation" and then picking something you think has some inherent worth. Clocking up notches on a headboard aint it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:41 PM
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you can explain any other feature of human sexuality with reason. The person may not act rationally but you can give a rational explanation for their irrationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:40 PM
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Neither of these explanations explains why people dont go back to past "conquests" for further sex, which is surely easier and quicker than finding a new partner. I should have said "FWB" instead of LTR in the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:24 PM
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External validation-seeking is a psychological flaw or failing, not something to be proud of or aim for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:21 PM
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If you think that's good stuff, you should read some mainstream feminist dating advice for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:20 PM
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Whats easier? Trying to pick up a new girl who may not be interested, or calling up a repeat FWB? Obviously the latter. I dont buy "easiness" as the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:45 PM
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It sounds like an almost satirical criticism of redpill philosophy. Kudos to you for that degree of self-knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:44 PM
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Most people would enjoy sex more than once a year. What dissauaded you from calling him up again for more sex a week or two later?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:39 PM
3

Why is upping your n-count desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:37 PM
1

I'm interested in whether there is a "rational" explanation. Thrill of the hunt describes the phenomenon but not the reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:39 PM
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Damn right
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:29 PM
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I'm BP. I like helping people. I like people who take responsibility for their own problems and take steps to fix them. Anyone willing to put the work in to stop being an average chump deserves the success that comes with that, as far as I'm concerned. There's no way "most men" will ever do it, because most men, women, people, are lazy and/or lack the self-awareness needed to realise their flaws and work on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:26 PM
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How do you know this though?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:15 PM
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Yeah theres no misogyny or discrimination in male dominated engineering and STEM jobs. No sireee. A tshirt is all theyd have to put up with. Not literally having their peer-reviewed papers criticised on the basis of their gender alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:11 PM
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Counterpoint: the best cuisine in the world (french) is butter heavy ;P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:10 PM
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No, its a truism everyone would agree with and is absolutely core to BP relationship advice too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:07 PM
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You can use economics as a model to describe or predict general trends of behaviour. Treating sex on an individual level as transactional is pure objectification, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:05 PM
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. There are also higher-value guys who have lost interest in shallow young things and want a better quality woman This statement puts you at odds with the majority of the TRP community who equate quality primarily with youth, looks, sex-appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:04 PM
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MissP you have stumbled across one of the fundamental self-fulfilling features of TRP (albeit in reverse). People who practice TRP behaviours subconsciously (or consciously) filter out strong independent women (like you) who aren't amenable to TRP manipulation. They then observe that all the women they date/fuck/try to fuck follow a particular pattern. They then conclude that therefore AWALT. What is actually happening is a particular subset of broken men is attracted to TRP, and TRP causes subc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:02 PM
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I love how you dont accept the third possibility, that you are wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:57 PM
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You cant use a TRP a priori assumption to "prove" another TRP a priori assumption. You are just begging the question. I dont agree that men are more jealous, that men have different relationship goals from women as an inherent gender feature (as opposed to a consequence of social attitudes), that men usually ask for commitment, that men are more interested in sexual intimacy or that women are less likely to seek out help. These are all just TRP maxims repeated as fact
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:56 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:53 PM
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If you had read any evolutionary psychology you would be struck by how incredibly similar all humans are, and how little a difference gender makes to psychology (the differences are measured by few percentage of degree, and are not at all qualitative). edit: I'll make this easier for you. Here's a debate on gender differences between two collosus of evolutionary psychology: http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:52 PM
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TRP is not supported (and is indeed in many cases directly contradicted) by academic consensus among evolutionary psychologists. ... but I presume by "evolutionary psychology" you actually mean "pop evolutionary psychology as espoused by non-exports with no formal training"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:50 PM
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Many of your assumptions are false. Pretty much every guy or at least really a lot are working on it. Gym membership became universal, reading dating advice books became universal Uh... no. A tiny tiny tiny subset of men read TRP and other dating advice. Way less than 10%. Similarly, only a minority subset of men keep in shape, let alone put on muscle in the gym through lifting. In 100 randomly selected men your own age, the chances of there being more than 4 or 5 weight lifting "TRP theorists" …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:44 PM
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Because more rapes are reported in Sweden per head than in almost any other country. Its not my opinion, its a statistical fact. You are the one drawing un-evidenced conclusions. How do you know more reported rapes = more rapes?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 02:00 PM
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It doesnt, it has the highest level of rape reporting in Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 01:58 PM
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This is an unusually self-reflective post from a RPer.. I enjoyed reading it. ITs weird that this makes you fantasize about becoming an equally monstrous person your self.... You dont need "absolute unattachment" to be detached. The later is a mindset or filter you can turn on and off as needed, the former is becoming the monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:42 PM
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sexist cops is a symptom of sexism throughout society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:36 PM
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I'm late 20s and I have also never had any of these problems nor do I know any men of any age that HAVE
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:35 PM
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Fuck religion tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:33 PM
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"I dont believe in things which are scientifically unquestionable ". Well that is fairly controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:32 PM
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I lold. "A man cant commit rape of his wife because he owns her body" is an HHL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:31 PM
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Same goes for a woman in the same situation
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:25 PM
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God that IS controversial. I disagree on literally every point except men being physically stronger and your Relationships claims (which I agree with wholeheartedly).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:24 PM
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Great article providing signficant evidence that a world of underperforming women and only male genius is not only not inevitable, but easily avoidable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:48 AM
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If thats the lifestyle they want, then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:23 AM
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I strongly disagree. This may be true for you and your "mostly RP" buddies, but it isnt for me and my "mostly BP" ones. I could not be in a relationship or even fully respect a SO who didnt have a high powered career and the ambitions to go with it. Sure in the future when we have kids we will have to make compromises in order to be involved parents, but at least we see them as that, rather than an attractive first choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:09 AM
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BP here. Tbh I wouldnt even notice it, let alone have a view on it. I find the whole "up/down" thing kinda distasteful, provided the partners are intellectually and emotionally compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:07 AM
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A man is a captain of his own destiny, but a woman isnt? Come on this is just the same old paternalistic "women are children/property" bullshit that has been on its way out for hundreds of years. Your posts are a combination of US bumper-sticker "wisdom", inherent and unstated TRP assumptions that 90% of the western world disagrees with, and bullshit. What "facts" am I redefining? You are claiming a Captain/FO relationship is a direct parallel of that of a coach/athlete, which is just so complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 10:08 AM
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You are the one making blanket statements about men's needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 06:23 PM
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Lol. Yet another TRP presumption that no-one non TRP would agree with... This is true of shallow douchebags. Its not true of guys capable of a deeper emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 06:05 PM
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Yes, its a dinosaurs idea of woman as chattels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:28 AM
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....and yet there are millions of very healthy, successful, lifelong relationships that somehow do without that kind of negative manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:15 AM
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This is a very small minority view in TRP. I'd also question whether how I define "healthy" would accord with a TRPers "healthy".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:14 AM
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implying men dont have emotional needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:13 AM
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Its literally impossible to be a feminist and a TRPer. The views are directly contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:12 AM
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Your coach athlete example is completely different - the relationship is a mentoring one, its paternal and ultimately its complex because the coach is nothing without an athlete. Its not used by TRP to describe marriage so it is completely irrelevant. I ignored it because it has literally no impact on either of our arguments. Its a different example in a different context that has very little in common with a Captain/FO role where the FO is literally second in command at the same job as the capt…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 10:40 AM
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Not every partnership with agreed upon roles demands a hierarchy. I agree, but Captain/First Officer as a partnership paradigm inherently does imply a hierarchy. Thats literally the whole point. What would your reaction be if I said that my approach is that I (a man) am 100% responsible for the success of my marriage? 100%, nothing less. I would say you are deluded, because a marriage is a partnership and both partners have to work at it for it to succeed. And as the guy who started the latest t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 07:10 PM
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Deliberately making someone insecure for your own benefit is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 07:09 PM
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The idea of a relationship as a transaction with the man giving commitment in exchange for the woman giving sex is a UNIQUELY redpill view of a relationship. Not only do I disagree I think people who think like that are pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 07:07 PM
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Responding to a bid is "acting BP". It is deliberately catering to your partners emotional need.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 07:06 PM
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I agree with everything you've said. And I still think the optimal red pill strategy for a woman trapped in a marriage with an INCREDIBLY beta man who IS NOT IMPROVING HIMSELF, is to hyperagamy the fuck out of there, not treat him like an alpha and hope this somehow makes him less pathetic.
/r/MarriedRedPill17/11/14 07:05 PM
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Sure, but recongising when your view of something comes from empirical evidence or rational analysis and when it comes from damage-induced bias is the key.
/r/MarriedRedPill17/11/14 11:32 AM
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I struggle to imagine a captain/FO paradigm that doesnt involve any hierarchy. In fact, I think that is an oxymoron as co-captain would be the term for a non-hierarchical structure. The terminology presupposes that the husband is the final arbiter. Your argument therefore comes across as hand-wavey apologism, like when TRPers claim "Dread game" isnt actually about dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 11:30 AM
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The red pill advice would be to dump this chump and look for someone with higher value. But TRP advice is only ever applied when it benefits men.
/r/MarriedRedPill17/11/14 11:27 AM
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George W. Bush was a useful beta patsy for other alpha males.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/14 11:25 AM
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Thats not what TRP is proposing as a "good relationship" though. TRP is about man = captain, woman = FO. Theres no option to negotiate shared captaincy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 06:38 PM
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This is hilarious. This is such confirmation bias I dont even know what to say. Anyone living in the UK think of Prince Charles as a moronic, bumbling buffoon. He is about as much a leader of men as a reality TV star.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 05:53 PM
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Prince Charles is an alpha male? Also I'm not aware of Bill Clinton having "an extensive list of mistresses", can you back that up? Arguably she is using him for her own career in any case, not because of his SMV - there are no divorced presidents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 05:04 PM
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I think there are a lot of young folks around TRP who haven't achieved this zen level of not giving a fuck about external validation The thing that worries me most isnt those young folks (though I completely agree with what you are saying about them), its the older more jaded ones who genuinely DONT give a fuck about anything, not stopping at validation, except themselves... ...and that extends to ethics, morality, empathy, literally anything. I.e. have trained themselves to become narcissistic …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 11:30 AM
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I live in a country with ban on all handguns and that makes owning a rifle or shotgun extremely difficult and onerous and I wouldnt under any circumstances advocate changing those laws or training people to handle and shoot guns effectively, so you chose a shitty example. Which will be his mistake, and something that will probably hurt both his relationship and he himself (sometimes badly), and from which he will hopefully learn. That this doesn't happen as much as it should is part of the miser…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 11:21 AM
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Yeah so in my example I'm saying 2 guys with equal attributes other than kindness. Your view is the mean guy would have higher SMV solely as a consequence of being unavailable and mean. I disagree, I think he would have lower SMV provided the kind guy didnt have any other negative traits. You can be funny and cool without being an asshole. Its actually a lot more effective if you aren't being an asshole because then people WANT you succeed and WANT to like you, rather than doing so despite thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 11:15 AM
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I have specifically designated the term soft harem to mean having multiple re-occurring sexual partners at once. I can't be any less ambiguous. If they arent all aware of each other and monogamous to you its not a harem, soft or otherwise, its bog standard dating. All of the prominent 'alpha' men I mentioned before are guilty of having main wives/girlfriends, but also find sex on the side. Sometimes they have side sex with the same person over and over. Sometimes they have one night stands. None…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 10:52 AM
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I havent read the draft so I'm not sure this will hold up in the full length book, but I would guess from what you've written so far that you overuse terminology and state axioms or TRP's view of behaviours without necessarily explaining it all from first principles.
/r/MarriedRedPill14/11/14 10:48 AM
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Thanks. I am happy to have flair identifying me as a BP fem, as I am a BP fem and not trying to pretend not to be. I am more interested in engaging and have considerably more appetite and interest for gleaning actual useful information/observation from TRP than 99% of anyone on /TBP. For the record though, I very much still think most of you guys are damaged goods and your attitudes towards women and relationships are largely reactions to that damage. I understand what will get me banned here, a…
/r/MarriedRedPill14/11/14 10:46 AM
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The thing is most of TRP take that concept very narrowly. They will say upfront "I'm not interested in anything more than casual sex" or whatever, and then disclaimer deployed, all bets are off and they are free to lead the girl on with the faint and unexpressed promise of something more commited as much as they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 07:45 PM
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The thing is, very few if any of the men applying TRP are rational and objective enough to recognise when its THEM who is being illegitmate, irrational or unfair. Under TRP's philsophy where the man is final arbiter of all disputes, when that man is a dick, he will mistreat the woman even when her concerns are legitimate. TRP has this tacit assumption that people men wont abuse the power it insists they take, but TRP also attracts the most broken and selfish of people who are MOST LIKELY to abus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 07:43 PM
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being unkind and an asshole increases a man's market value This is the bit I dont believe and have never seen replicated in reality. Take two guys of equivalent SMV, OTHER THAN one is considerate and kind and the other is an asshole. Girls will take the first guy every time. The problem is there arent that many high SMV guys who are considerate and kind. Having high SMV often makes you conceited, selfish and arrogant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 07:41 PM
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Your "soft harem" just means "anyone who cheats on their monogamous partner or is single" Its wholly irrelevant to the discussion we were having. You claimed the ultimate alpha was not in a monog LTR, but rather had a harem, I asked for RL, modern day examples and you had none. You then redefined harem into "a guy who cheats or is single", i.e. anyone not monogamous but still has sex, by adding the word "soft" in front of it. The term is completely meaningless. As I said before - take any obviou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 07:35 PM
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This is literally an instruction for her to pretend her husband is an alpha while he acts like the worst kind of beta. Why the fuck should she do that?
/r/MarriedRedPill13/11/14 07:31 PM
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Examples include: Bill Clinton, Tiger Woods, Jude Law, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Woody Allen, Ashton Kutcher… There is such a thing as a soft harem where the women more freely flow in and out of the relationship (if one is even defined, which it almost never is). Picture one guy sleeping around with a bunch of women, many of which are repeat customers. "soft harem"? Its not a harem if each one dumps you when they find out about the next one, thats just being a seriel cheater. A Harem EXPLICITLY req…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 04:58 PM
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The problem is you're preaching to the choir. The people who are sufficiently enlodged into the community to appreciate the perspective you are offering are already sufficiently knowledgeable of its tenets to not need your book. If your target audience is a TRP newbie, you need to cut out the circlejerk and self-referencing.
/r/MarriedRedPill13/11/14 04:49 PM
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Happy is always relative. A breakup is sometimes (actually, often) the happiest outcome when no kids are involved. If the advice achieves the best possible outcome, it was good advice, self-evidently. Substitute "BP" for "Modern, Liberal, Left leaning, Egalitarian" if you like. The opposite of Red Pills "Traditional, Conservative, Right leaning, Gender-adversarial" mode of thought. because in some cases rp has good advice like 'if she is cheating on you, she isnt worth your time. Move out and mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 04:43 PM
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Most /r/relationships updates (which I often read) are positive "Well I did it, dumped him/her, hit the gym and am working on myself" (at least the final updates are). The panic is in the FIRST post, not the update. The advice is classic BP - which can be summarised in a sentence as: "respect yourself, respect your partner, if you cant or shouldnt do either than end your relationship." RP responses get downvoted to oblivion and the vast majority of people who follow the consensus advice get posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 10:59 AM
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And what is this buy your own ignorance supporting your own confirmation bias? ignorance is bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 10:57 AM
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Sell the ipad, buy second hand laptop
/r/MarriedRedPill13/11/14 10:57 AM
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Top tip - if you want this book to appeal to ANYONE outside the TRP/PUA community, you need to replace the word "Dread" with something with less negative connotations. "Dread" is not something most people want to instil. Maybe something like "High Value Man - Level 1" Also a book that tells you to read 4 other books on the same subject just to get to "level 1" is an inherent flop. Having each level require further self-help book reading? Whats the point of having your book at all? And making che…
/r/MarriedRedPill13/11/14 10:37 AM
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Sounds horribly unhealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 10:32 AM
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This reinforces my view that TRP is most appealing to those who have no positive relationship rolemodels in their lives, who have normalised adversarial relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 10:29 AM
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Also ROFL at calling Erin Pizzey a feminist. She HATES feminism! In her own words: [I have] "never been a feminist, because, having experienced my mother's violence, I always knew that women can be as vicious and irresponsible as men". "I loathe feminism... and believe it will ultimately destroy the family"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 10:28 AM
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This is such a ridiculous doublestandard. So when a woman "exploits" a man solely for her own benefit, thats wrong (agreed!), but when a man exploits a number of women for sex with the false promise of commitment, thats awesome (um...fuck off!). This is literally saying "All women are selfish" (inherently misogynistic statement), "so all men should be equally selfish too". Its so dumb and wrongheaded I dont even know where to begin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 09:15 AM
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I would say manipulate rather than abuse (at least at the most basic level), and any RPer who knows the company line would respond, "Everyone manipulates, there's nothing wrong with doing so" - something any decent BPer will contest. Shitty people deliberately manipulate. A good relationship is one where both parties are self-aware enough not to manipulate, but get their needs met anyway because the other partner isnt a dick. I've never claimed RP is ineffective at its goals - its amazing at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 09:09 AM
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yep I agree. Like I said: If you can find 10 examples of something on /r/theredpill without anyone calling them out or downvoting them, then that thing IS representative of theredpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 09:03 AM
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or maybe its because most TRPers are hopeless betas desperately aspiring to success they dont have
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:30 PM
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Why do they need that social image? What does "social image" mean here and why is it different to their Alpha status or SMV? IF TRP's view on this is correct, shouldnt male business partners respect their ultra high SMV and lothario ability, while female business partners will lust for them? Why would it be a disadvantage? Name a living undisputed alpha in the public eye (so no "PUA celebrity") who has a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:29 PM
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What? I dont manipulate deliberately. My SO doesnt. Quite a lot of people I am friends with do not. You dont need to deliberately manipulate (i.e. play mindgames with) people to live in harmony with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:21 PM
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Its unhealthy regardless of who is doing it. I'm fortunate to be in a non-manipulative relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:20 PM
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I implied it "proved" it when in fact it merely indicated it. You are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:19 PM
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I have no idea, I dont know you. The views you espouse venerate narcissism and egotism in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:17 PM
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counterpoint: "married dread game" which is essentially calculated withdrawal of emotional intimacy (/extension of emotional intimacy to other women), "agree and amplify" as advice to the woman vocalising any ways in which you are not meeting their needs, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:16 PM
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You added your own subtext.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:15 PM
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That being said, have you ever seen a aspie/beta/WoW fanatic as the abuser? Yes. Abusers can be charming, successful Alphas, and they can be people who you literally cannot imagine how they ever attracted a partner in the first place (e.g. disgusting hygeine, severely bad looks etc). There is no telling. My SO spent 2 years volunteering in an abuse counselling centre. Why do the same women keep walking into shelters with bruises from a new boyfriend that was just like the last one? For the reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:14 PM
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I'm a strong, vocal feminist, but I'm not a third waver "every single possible aspect of the world I dont like is down to the Patriarchy" type and I dont buy into the whole "fat positive feminism" stuff because it tends to look a heck of a lot like "ME-postive feminism" and/or "Oppression Olympics", and of course runs strongly contrary to science and medicine. I know a hell of a lot of feminists like me. I dont know anyone like the Tumblr caricatures. I have no statistical basis for this, but I …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 10:07 PM
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Its not "rarely or never" its "whenever the guy feels like it". Care to link to TRP threads talking about deliberately being beta to have a strong relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 08:21 PM
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"fake it till you make it" is fine for positive attributes. When we are talking negative side-effects of positive attributes which arent in them self beneficial to the faker, its just deliberately being a douchebag.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:13 PM
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Shitty - the conservate governments set a hard cap on immigration, meaning ultra-high skilled workers with jobs to go to in London cant get visas. Idiots. It will change when they lose the next election though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:10 PM
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Isnt this just redefining alpha to the point it ISNT the "pack leaders" its the lone wolfs? How many high profile alpha males are there that dont do LTRs? How many political leaders, Bank or Fortune500 CEOs that arent married or equivalent? The way TRP philosophy works, it seems like anytime someone does something praiseworthy, the definition of alpha is stretched to encompass it somehow, and likewise anytime someone ostensibly alpha does somethign deplorable or pathetic, somehow "no true alpha"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:05 PM
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Otherwise dummy BPers will just describe not healthy as RP because of manipulation and feels and whatnot. Correct, objectively I think. A relationship which involves deliberate manipulation of one partner by the other (and in particular, deliberately instilled jealousy and insecurity) isn't healthy. I'm sorry that I've hurt your feelings by saying a TRP LTR isnt healthy, but that's my opinion. I am not surprised that TRPers do not like "healthy" as a quality of a relationship, because TRP is any…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:02 PM
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That was his point though, we are talking about what is representative of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:59 PM
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"feminists on Tumblr" isnt a self-policing, self-contained community. /r/theredpill IS. If you can find 10 examples of something on /r/theredpill without anyone calling them out or downvoting them, then that thing IS representative of theredpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:58 PM
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If an abusive relationship didn't have some satisfactory elements to keep her involved, it wouldn't be a relationship. This shows a lack of understandign of abusive relationships. Abused spouses stay in abusive relationships because of the self-esteem trauma years of abuse instills. They think they arent worthy of any better, or they develop a form stockholm syndrome and begin equate abuse with intimacy or love. You are falsely assuming that people act rationally at all times, even when under im…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:56 PM
2

How would that skew the results, all else being equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:53 PM
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But they are measuring kindness and generousness 6 years earlier, and then seeing the effect after 6 years. They wouldnt see a correlation unless the former caused the latter, because prior happiness/kindness wouldnt predict future happiness/kindness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:52 PM
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The UK, where (like every other developed country in the world except USA) student debt poverty and/or healthcare poverty are not things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:49 PM
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No, I am saying that the measure of success is pandering to egocentricism and narcissistic tendancies of the man in the relationship being described as "successful", not because male desires are a sine qua non, but because female desires are not mentioned. There is therefore a tacit presupposition that either "dominant male getting plenty of sex" === "satisfied female partner", or else "a successful relationship is one where the male partner is satisfied, whether or not the female partner is". H…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:42 PM
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Dread game is mindgames. Pretending you are too busy for your SO and have loads of other options just to fuck them into insecure supplication isnt "mimicing natural alpha behaviour" - an Alpha acts busy because an alpha IS busy. A guy pretending to be busy when he isnt is just a manipulative asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:38 PM
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I mean that you are defining success by any metric that takes account of how the relationship is for the woman. You are pre-supposing that a "respected man getting continued sex" = "a content woman". Whereas this could easily define an abusive relationship where the woman doesnt dare disobey or leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:34 PM
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Its a diagnosis, not an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:32 PM
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Success is entirely subjective and entirely measured by the man. A successful relationship is one where the man is happy and dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:32 PM
1

Guess so. Perhaps its a function of where we live, the social group we move in etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:31 PM
1

Holding people responsible for their actions isnt writing them off, quite the opposite. Writing them off would be giving up on them, saying they arent responsible for their actions because we cant expect anything better from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:53 PM
1

You are defining relationship success solely from the perspective of an egocentric narcissistic man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:52 PM
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dread game is the opposite of emotional intimacy/support. This study showed the most emotionally intimate/supportive couples had the healthiest and longest lasting long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:50 PM
1

NYC known for unkind relationships or?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:49 PM
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Someone didnt read it. They did tests indirectly measuring people's kindness, generosity and need fulfillment. They then tracked those people for 6 years. The ones who scored highly on the tests were VASTLY more likely to still be together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:49 PM
1

TY
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:45 PM
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Really? Half the reports I've read on TRP have been using it to get your wife to have sex when she isnt otherwise in the mood. Hardly the "leading the realtionship to an end" situation, more like "give me what I want, when I want, or fuck you and I'm gone" Calling me ignorant is just a classic no true scotsman. "Ah thats not REAL red pill, REAL red pill is [some bullshit I just plucked from the air] and all those negative things you've read, posted to /r/theredpill and entirely uncalled out, are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:44 PM
0

search is failing me, presumably because its a different link. Got a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 12:23 PM
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Really? Every piece on "married game" I've ever seen says to use some form of dread game, which is the opposite of giving her kisses and flowers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 12:22 PM
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Actually my experience is the captain of the football team got some girl pregnant at 19 and is an overweight mechanic in a small town with 3 kids. The intelligent nerds move to the capital, get high powered jobs, develop socially and come back and alpha the shit out of the nobodies at high school reunions. Sure the basement losers are still basement losers. But how is that a surprise?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 11:34 AM
1

Dont care. People are always still fundamentally responsible for their own actions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 03:27 PM
1

Not for adults who have left college. Large friendship "groups" rarely stay together
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 03:26 PM
1

How do you define indigenous? How far back do you go? Should we kick all non-celts out of the UK? Presumably all white people need to leave USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, Israel etc. Where will they all go? The combined population is massively greater than that of the whole of Europe. Inb4 special pleading
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 01:32 PM
1

How can any USAfag be a National Socialist then? Are you an indian?
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 01:11 PM
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ITT neo nazis high five each other
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 12:46 PM
1

I dont get it, what kind of ghetto poor people are this impressed by a ferrari?
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 12:33 PM
2

Why is cheating so prevelant in the gay community?
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 12:32 PM
2

In the same way that people who are retarded on the internet will later claim to have been "LOL JUST TROLLING YOU" afterwards, yes.
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 12:17 PM
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This woman is a professional troll who says whatever needed to generate controversy, and therefore pageviews. She is not the posterchild you are looking for.
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 12:16 PM
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The sub and community did. The ideas it shares with HTWFAIP are superficial and truistic at best
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 11:04 AM
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IT doesnt go anywhere near far enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 06:06 PM
1

What? no. The rare part is that all my friends are also friends with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 06:05 PM
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If their disability makes them into horrific, sexist, sociopathic assholes, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 06:04 PM
1

No I think TRP originated in the PUA community
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 06:02 PM
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Source
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 04:32 PM
2

What was relevant about your previous link? It didnt refer to emotional cheating once, at any point. It was SUGGESTING using emotional supportiveness (which it called "being beta") on other plates to fuck with your SO and make her miserable. Nothing in there constituted emotional cheating. What claim of mine did you think it disproved? You don't meet a lot of people, then. I meet a lot, I dont LIKE a lot. I am very selective about who I spend time with and as a result have a large but very close…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 04:30 PM
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These guys are the broken, weird outsider creeps who never had the social skills or indeed anything to offer needed to make a real relationship with someone else who isnt as broken as they are. They are kids from broken homes with shitty parents. They dont have any rolemodels of what a healthy relationship looks like. They've never been able to emotionally rely on anyone else because their parents are shit and they dont have any real friends. Thats why TRP is so appealing to them. By contrast wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 01:17 PM
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Lol, giving that link, of all links... Do you really endorse that guy's views or actions? Men and women can’t be friends I've never met ANYONE who beleives this who wasnt a complete anti-social cunt. Women can’t be friends full stop. And who actually believes this who isnt a total raging misogynist asshole? This kind of link reminds me that TRP is incredibly toxic and filled with the worst kind of people. Thanks for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 01:08 PM
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Pursuing other options is infidelity. The fact that you dont define your own actions as infidelity is yet more (if it was needed) evidence of your own narcissism. "Wasn't about her" means "her opinion isnt relevant to my decision". Which is to say you dont care about her feelings. In a healthy relationship, partners dont have to try to bribe each other into not cheating. Your transactional view of relationships and sex is beyond troubling, its pathological. The correct solutions to a dead bedroo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 12:55 PM
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There are zero great people who embract TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 12:49 PM
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Massive, frothy backpeddling from your earlier comment: My pursuing other options was also not some kind of manipulation of her. It wasn't about her at all. It was about me, and about my unwillingness to be an incel for the rest of my life. I could either wait around, hoping and praying for a miracle in myself or my marriage partner, or I could actually just go get what I really, really desire. I am also up front about the actions I take in my marriage. I don't like sneaking around, and I feel l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 11:26 PM
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Great people dont use conscious tricks. They are naturally persuasive, commanding and leading.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 11:22 PM
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Explain it to me. She was dressed casually and 1/3 of the catcalls were around Time Square etc. How does she need to dress? What does she need to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:47 PM
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I am being sarcastic - it follows from you claiming women (alone) should change their behaviour to reduce incidence of catcalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:38 PM
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Dude you are quoting a DAILY MAIL (the single worst right wing UK tabloid and among the worst in the world - the Fox News of tabloids) article that itself is itself citing figures based on a survey by a teen gossip magazine of its readers (its the same as the one discussed earlier in this thread), and arguing that it overrides two studies by the two most famous scientific researchers (Shackleford and Bussey) on the topic of infidelity alive today. I dont even need to respond to that. Browse Shac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:28 PM
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I didnt think TRP even accepted the existence of emotional infidelity? In any case I was responding to this claim: Look in the infidelity section if you don't believe me. Women seem to get a free pass for a lot of shit they do in relationships. ...and I've disproven it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:24 PM
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Maybe women should simply be banned from large swathes of the city, or wear clothing that covers them head to toe without definition. We can call these parts of the city "Jeddah"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:21 PM
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TRP is a PUA spinoff. Every PUA trick can be couched in TRP terms. Holding frame, spinning plates, agree and amplify etc etc. TRP is about doing not being. Its a list of techniques and activities just like PUA. The goal might be "being", but in practice they are the same thing. PUA is just "how to pretend to be an Alpha". TRP is just "how to pretend to be an Alpha (and by the way that means you ARE an Alpha)". The only difference is some slight terminology and some of the background philosophy (…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:18 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:14 PM
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You are such a ridiculous narcissist that you dont consider having sex with other women while married against your wifes' express wishes to be infidelity because you tell her about it in advance. This just keeps getting better and better. Have you ANY IDEA how fucking ridiculous (not to mention abusive) you sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:13 PM
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BUT WHY DO YOU CARE? because you hate feminists (/women)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:11 PM
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How about we do both? Lets face it, this is 100% concern trolling from you are the rest of TRP. You dont give a shit about poor people, you just want to downplay concerns you view as feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 11:30 AM
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I meant your little "rape culture" rant. How dare we sympathise with the victim rather than the perpetrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 10:54 AM
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Sure Here is a study showing men commit infidelity more than women (and this is one of many, this is a generally held conclusion as you can see from the extensive references to other studies on the same point): http://www.toddkshackelford.com/downloads/Buss-Shackelford-JRP-1997.pdf Direct quote: Gender is the most consistent previously established predictor of infidelity. As the above statistics indicate, more men than women have affairs. Here is a study showing women forgive infidelity more tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 10:53 AM
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That was taken from a reader survey of a lowbrow womens magazine aimed at 20 year olds you mong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 10:41 AM
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People like you made exactly the same arguments against every previous social change in history. Slavery, Sufferage, Institutional racism, Institutional sexism, homophobia, gay marriage etc. There's always some guy not affected by those things on the sidelines screaming "its just the way things are, nothing will ever change, SO STOP TRYING you awful agitators". The thing is, if you genuinely believed that, you wouldnt be getting so worked up in opposition to it...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 10:03 AM
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This is hilarious. Equating callous infidelity with being sex positive. My sides. You genuinely think your infidelity is not only not wrong, but its actively RIGHT.... You really are a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 10:00 AM
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The thing is, the kind of (high value, highly educated, political, career) women I'm friends with and have dated know of TRP/PUA at least in concept, can spot it in action and think those guys are douchebags. None of the overt stuff would work on them and anyone even proposing to "spin plates" will get shown the door. The standard dating MO in my social group is to become monogamous or stop seeing each other after 4-5 dates. Flirty texting with other women after that would be a massive red flag …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:55 AM
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"Ignore all those millions of guys who dont use these techniques and have equal, loving relationships that last decades. Its a sham, trust us on this. They only LOOK happy but actually they are just as miserable as you are"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:49 AM
0

Howabout "most women"? 50+1%?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:47 AM
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People who are not sociopaths but deliberately teach themselves behaviours and techniques that mimic those used by sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:47 AM
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equality of opportunity for women. If you dont get the difference, you are definitely not a feminist (or an egalitarian)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:46 AM
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It seems like the second someone mentiones sexual harassment all you guys lose your shit. Bit close to the bone maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:44 AM
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Isnt this a legitimate social issue that should be addressed in and of itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 09:37 AM
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Ahh so you are going this approach: Presumably with some ultra-contrived definition of Feminist Yes, if you take a definition of feminist that no prior feminist would ever agree with, sure you can call almost anyone a feminist. Seriously that definition would apply to G.W.Bush, any republican politician, 90% of the USA population etc. Its a completely useless use of the phrase designed to undermine it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 10:43 PM
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god that's awful
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 10:41 PM
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Do you count "people who want to be, and actively train to get better at pretending to be, sociopaths"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:27 PM
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similarly narcissists are notoriously self-deluding as admitting to narcissism is an admission of weakness/failure, and thats not something a narcissist can do (excluding humblebrags).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:25 PM
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So can books on how to use sociopathic manipulation to exploit sex from people you dont even like. Quite a few of them are listed in the TRP sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:21 PM
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"All women play games. So here are some games you can use to manipulate them. Aren't women fucking bitches for making us do this to them?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:20 PM
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Out of interest, how can one be a Red Pill Feminist? Presumably with some ultra-contrived definition of Feminist/Equality/RedPill? Cos if so I'd like to introduce you to my friend Jeramiah, who by the same token is a fundamental christian feminist because he believes all people of either sex are equal before god provided they stay firmly in their god-given gender role, and in woman's case obey their huband.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:16 PM
2

"be sexist"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:15 PM
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A) I'm really bad at picking women or, B) TRP holds a lot of water. It was A). Most cheating is done by the same, small subset of men and women. Most of TRP are in that category themselves, as are most of the women their tricks work particularly well on. Selfish, validation-seeking and insecure people, basically. avoid the bullshit games women play By playing even more bullshit games themselves. Check out /r/relationships in the infidelity section if you don't believe me. Women seem to get a fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:11 PM
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I meant no-one in this thread dummy. Theres always someone, somewhere, proposing almost any stupid bullshit you can imagine
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 08:58 PM
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Thats a very very long post just to say "no true scotsman..." She asked me not to have sex with anyone else. She said she wanted to try to get our sex life working again. I said, "Great, I would like to, too, but the window of opportunity for hot, passionate sex is about to slam shut on my life, and I don't know that I want to miss it. I really like sex. It's really important to me, and I don't know if I'm willing to continue living without it, since I now have options." She said she'd really tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 07:46 PM
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Thats ridiculous too and clearly wrong. Whats your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 05:19 PM
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With great difficulty. I dont believe in "reverse sexism" or any form of "goal-oriented data skewing" like affirmative action etc. I think a decent HR person, college application assessor etc can see through a lot of the exaggeration and bullshit that self-promoters put in their resume though, and assess people against their actual objective accomplishments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 05:17 PM
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Personally I think it will be a natural consequence of a more egalitarian society anyway, as a I think "confident, assertive, outspoken, self-promoting" are socially male traits that will become less so as society gets more accepting of outspoken females.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 05:15 PM
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No, but we bear in mind this cognative bias and try to mentally compensate for blatent self-promotion not backed up by actually proven job ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 03:34 PM
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Does salesmanship of your ideas have nothing to do with job performance? Entirely depends on the job and the role. I am strongly against affirmative action or other "corrective skewing" measures. If I ran a company which wanted a meritocracy in promotions I would use objective metrics to the extent possible, and, again job dependant, subjective assessment of anonymised job output by independent third parties. If we are talking university admissions its harder - if guys generally exaggerate and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 03:34 PM
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I dont mean that specific source, I mean the body of evidence that supports the position that in a supposed meritocracy, people advance partially by merit at the job and partly by self-promition, of which there is a huge amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:56 PM
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The problem with statements like this is you take a difference that is at best one of minor degree (a few % propensity), and make it categorical. Find me ANY academic study that says "all or even most women think X while all or most men think Y". There arent any - the differences will be more realistically of the nature of: "The average man is 6% more X and 7 % less Y than the average woman". Any given man could easily still be less X or more Y than any given woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:54 PM
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Its poorly worded in the summary - if the dismissal is not for one of the reasons listed it is automatically ruled unfair, but if it is for a fair reason (and the court accepts this is not just a false pretext), the court wont assess how reasonable the specific actions of the employer surrounding that reason are. If you read the actual subsections on "Potentially fair reasons" you can see this clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:47 PM
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Its not passive aggressive, sociopathy is part of the dark triad traits expressly endorsed by TRP. You also seem to have fallen into the trap of assuming everyone (but in particular a true alpha) is entirely selfish. Just because HE has power doesnt mean he cant empathise with or care about the distribution of power across everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:18 PM
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I would say the average 35 year old woman has more to offer sexually than the average 18 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:05 PM
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Yeah but the kink scene is based on consent. The kind of "dominance" that TRP endorses isnt consent-based.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:04 PM
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People who like roleplay like roleplay of all kinds, basically, and drawing RL conclusions from that isnt necessarily sensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:03 PM
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The scale is more likely to be this one: Never (1), Very Infrequently (2), Infequently (3), Sometimes (4), Frequently (5) Very Frequently (6), Always (7)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 02:02 PM
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But how does that invalidate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:59 PM
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Then compare the job-related "power" of the men voting in either. Bet the powerful guys skew towards dominant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:58 PM
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These 48% likely aren't interested in relationships with those women. Just a sex fantasy. citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:57 PM
1

A lot of these differences dont really support TRP thought. More than half of men want to be dominated? A third of woman dont? Half of women want to dominate? How close all these percentages are tends to imply cultural not biological differences on most of these topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:56 PM
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Way to completely misunderstand both issues. The issue in the OP isnt that they want to throw out meritocracy, but rather replace FAKE meritocracies that reward male-centric skills THAT DONT IMPROVE JOB PERFORMANCE, with an actual meritocracy that only rewards job-related ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:51 PM
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I'd say, bad attitudes in women are not only more prevalent but they are of the kind where they are not self-contained. I would argue that your bias means the "bad attitudes" you identify in Woman would not be considered bad attitudes in Men with the same behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:48 PM
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The studies on this compare like with like - reviews of men and women doing the same job, so your critique doesnt really apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:47 PM
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Now we need to push for more equality to balance out women's lack of assertiveness No. Its a very simple claim - It is hard to maintain a meritocracy, and often what is intended to be and is described as a meritocracy in fact heavily relies on other characteristics that may not be relevant for the candidates merit at a job. It shouldnt be controversial AT ALL to make this claims: "A true meritocracy assesses candidates based solely on their ability to do the job, and not on abilities which do no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:43 PM
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Good response. I dont like Lena (in fact she is an awful, hypocritical shitlord), or think what she did was in any way something to joke about as harmless hijinks, but those parts are fucked up. Also a lot of people are getting the ages mixed up. "candy for kisses", playing with genitals etc was when Lena was 7-9 years old and her sister was an infant. Masturbating next to them in bed was when Lena was 17. This doesnt make it ok AT ALL, but its not quite as horrificly awful as a 17 year old mani…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:25 PM
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Actually this is something I've wanted to talk about for a while. A lot of TRP and PUA strategy is to essentially drop a girl who, for whatever reason, isn't meeting the TRPers needs, with minimal second chances ("abundance mentality", "plate spinning" etc). "NEXT" is often said. It seems inarguable that this process acts as a filter to remove any and all women on whom TRP strategies do not work from the TRPers influence sphere, potentially even before the TRPer identifies them as such. This in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 12:39 PM
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This thread seems to indicate, if representative, that TRP consists a few people like yourself (functioning sociopaths) and a large number of INTP types who embrace the theory of TRP (especially about hating feminists) but dont have the social skills or charm to put much of it into practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:55 AM
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Once "Dark Triad" entered the TRP lexicon they could hardly deny it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:53 AM
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Especially when 2/3 of how you "know women work" doesnt actually hold up to scientific scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:52 AM
0

Presumably you are joking, although this isnt an uncommon view amoung TRPers (alpha fux, beta bux)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:51 AM
0

English law. Employment Rights Act 1996 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_dismissal_in_the_United_Kingdom
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:49 AM
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You've missed my point entirely. Why has almost every single step of history been in the same direction (towards progressive social inclusion and equality)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:29 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:26 PM
0

Those are completely subjective terms. They absolutely are not - statute defines them precisely. Learn to law.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:25 PM
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Because job security in the face of unfair, arbitrary or capricious termination makes life immeasurably better for the average person. Same reason having socialised healthcare that is free at the point of delivery is a a hallmark of a civilised country. Who are you to determine what is a "legitimate " reason. I dont, the law, the courts, and the employment tribunals do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:34 PM
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My question was "Can you give some examples of major social elements that are more conservative today than...." Your response doesnt answer that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:33 PM
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Literally the first paragraph of that first link: Often reduced by critics to her sharp tongue and combative manner, Schwarzer has in recent years become a controversial figure even among feminists, many of whom say her approach has become outdated. Please do explain how this woman speaks for all BP BP =/= feminism let alone an septuagenarian german second-wave feminist collective. You accused BP of these claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:18 PM
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I find this view heinous, incredibly upsetting and I cant continue debating sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:06 PM
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Ok I see that is correct, but in your previous post you specifically referred to "rape stats" and "lots of non-rape victims will answer in the affirmative", i.e. you were talking about rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 08:59 PM
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Can you link me to some TRP material on marriage game that doesnt have "divorce clearly on the table at all times" as clear advice, with the strong implication you draw your wife's attention to that fact regularly to get your way? dread game" idea is actually meant to prevent manipulation WAR IS PEACE! FREEDOM IS SLAVERY! Is this a joke? Dread game is literally, by definition, deliberately instilling dread or anxiety in your partner by making them think you are, or easily could be and are consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 08:44 PM
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What the fuck does any of this have to do with anything? You are conflating BP with a specific radical 1970s feminist now? I mean there's crazy strawmen and then there's complete ass-pulls of epic proportions like this. I call feminism insincere and intellectually dishonest on, this is one of the reasons for it. Using "intellectual dishonesty" in a criticism based on painting an entire movement based on the non-scientific writings of a couple of controversial fringe feminist figures? Are you ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 08:43 PM
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Not in any civilised country. It is illegal to fire someone for illegitimate reasons (including no reason at all, to save money, etc) in most developed countries other than part of the US. If you want you can make their role redundant, but this includes a reasonably meaty redundancy payment to the worker and if you immediately hire someone else in the same role they can sue you. We take worker legal protections very seriously. No-one should have the spectre of arbitrary firing hanging over them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 08:34 PM
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I've been reading up on Koss methodology and it appears you are lying or misinformed. included being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for sex or showed they were unhappy; feeling pressured by being lied to, being told promises that were untrue, While this was a QUESTION in the study, it WAS NOT included in the definition of, or stastically counted towards, the incidence of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 08:29 PM
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Its not a scam. Intimidation is often non-violent. If your bunkmate rapes you every night and cut you badly the first time when you resisted, youd stop resisting. Its still rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 07:10 PM
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Can you give some examples of major social elements that are more conservative today than 100, 200, 300, 400 or 500 years ago? could have or almost did And yet none that actually did. Funny that!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:57 PM
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TRP marriage game tells you you need to have divorce on the table in every disagreement. That's not a good, stable relationship I'd want to be in. Its an extremely unequal one based on emotional blackmail through willingness to use nukes over petty border squabbles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:57 PM
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Because I like my gender differences based on actual science, not some bitter misogynists personal rantings and experience. 90% of the crap TRP believes are inherent differences in the genders dont hold up to scientific scrutiny. Also the differences aren't "strong", they are a matter of degree but there are few if any mental traits (which tend to follow a normal distribution) where the difference in mean between men and women is more than a single digit percentage. You're calling this a straw m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:52 PM
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"Concern-trolling" - one of several useful terms to come out of the SJW community
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:51 PM
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that kind of existence must be so hollow. What is wrong with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:49 PM
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Or the dark side leads to fear? Or red pill is a way for damaged people to exploit other damaged people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:47 PM
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That's called redundancy. "At will" is for almost any reason, including in order to replace you with someone doing exactly the same job slightly cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:46 PM
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the subjective well-being of European women has risen in an absolute sense
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:53 PM
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Then all these red pill men sleep with woman and harm their feelings which causes the woman to hate Men, so they become femnazi's or extreme feminist . correction, then a few of these red pill men go on to sleep with women. The majority embrace the bitterness and misogyny but somehow never pick up the seduction aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:52 PM
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TRP is fundamentally the embrace of narcissism and sociopathy as positive traits, and then applying them exclusively to male sexual politics. In some pillers its closer to egocentricism or even solipsism than narcissism, and in the leaders is largely egotistical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:46 PM
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So no true alpha is ever married?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:09 PM
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It really hasnt. No-where near enough. Among highly educated elites, sure, but not in general pop culture and the average guy on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:07 PM
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The woman in the video isnt wearing revealing clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:07 PM
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Designed to be comfortable and stylish you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:06 PM
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Them not giving a fuck doesnt change the effectiveness of raising awareness and social disapproval of what they are doing. Its not them we are targettting, its their more reasonable friends, the guy standing next to them on the street, pop culture, society as a whole. At the end of the day guys who do this kind of thing arent the brightest or they'd have a more effective strategy. They arent leaders or rebels, they are followers and cowards, and if society starts acting like this kind of thing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:05 PM
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The thing about your philosophy, is that you now see everything, including people denouncing it, as proof it is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:01 PM
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counterpoint: Demi Moore (+15 years on Ashton Cutcher) J Lo (+18 years on Casper Smart) Kathy Griffin (+19 years on Randy Bick) Sharon Stone (+28 years on Marin Mica) Madonna (+29 years on that Brahim guy) Joan Collins (+33 to Percy Gibson) Susan Sarandon (+32 to Jonathan Bricklin)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:55 PM
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Heff wasnt scandelous, he lived the mainstream male egotistical dream of the era. Oscar Wilde? What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:50 PM
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To be fair, its not JUST narcissists, but also people who only form very shallow relationships with minimal inter-dependance or emotional openness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:49 PM
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yup
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:48 PM
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Conceded, on the assumption you dont feel the same way about what the woman in the video was wearing. I also don't think that catcalling is ever justified by a woman's clothing. Looking, sure, if the clothing is designed to be provactive then that's perfectly reasonable as its the point of the design. But calling out or approaching is literally never justified by the clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:45 PM
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Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:44 PM
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You are saying its not the responsibility of people who catcall to stop catcalling, its the sole responsibility of the women who are targetted to avoid such situations somehow. This isnt a straw man, that is literally what you just said: If you want it to not happen the responsibility is on you, not other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:43 PM
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Pointing them out and shaming people for them DOES help prevent them from happening, and it does it without punishing the victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:40 PM
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Classic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:15 PM
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In many countries, rape is forceable sexual penetration of any kind, in either direction, between either gender. Women can rape men. The reason to have rape as a seperate more serious crime than, say, assault by penetration (with, e.g., a broomhandle or dildo), is because rape carries with it the additional risks of stds and arguably has a more significant emotional trauma component. but there are policy reasons not to charge him with rape. The intrinsic sexual nature of the marital relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:12 PM
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Yes. especially by acting against their expectations Also you said: I am not astounded that people disagree with me or have different worldviews, astounded means shocked and surprised. Surprise is listed in your own quote as a synonym of counfound, as is amaze, astonish etc. Confound and astound are largely synonyms, with the only distinction being that the former carries an implication of having your expectations contradicted. http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/confound
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:04 PM
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It is LITERALLY what you just said: It is shitty. But it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. If you want it to not happen the responsibility is on you, not other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:59 PM
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Yes, I want to shame people who catcall. I also want their friends to shame them, pop culture to shame them, random passers by to shame them and their parents to shame them. I ALSO advise women to take reasonable precautions. But I use "reasonable" in a much less "Wear a Burkha and stay in the Kitchen" way than you do. I have no idea why you feel so opposed to pointing out objectively unpleasant behaviour, unless you yourself are guilty of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:57 PM
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Excluding the dubious category of "marital rape", do you believe Western women outside of the lowest castes were raped in significant numbers in 1900? yes. Unless you are defining the bottom 75% of the population as "the lowest classes" which seems rather disingenuous. Also I'm curious as to how ANYONE remotely intelligent could called marital rape "dubious". Sex without consent is rape. Being married shouldn't in any way change that. I presume this isn't what you are saying and I'm just misunde…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:39 PM
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lol yup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:36 PM
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No. Please source your own claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:08 PM
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Being conservative is the opposite of being social democrat. Social democrat is a progressive, statist left wing ideology. Progressive is the political opposite of conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:04 PM
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But dont you agree men SHOULDNT randomly approach women who have shown no interest in them on the street? And if you do agree, why is it wrong to encourage men to police themselves in this regard? You constantly fall back on the argument that attempts like this wont work - but even if that is true (and evidently we BPers dont think it is), how do you go from that to "and therefore attempting it is bad"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:00 PM
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But WHY DO YOU CARE? You accept it must get tiring being approached all the time, even if the video is a gross exagerraiton. So why do you care that people want to raise awareness of this in an attempt to discourage it. Even if you believe such attempts are totally fruitless or overdone or self-defeating, WHY OPPOSE IT?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:58 PM
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It comes from their innate opposition to anything done to benefit women, or supported by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:57 PM
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The only people cherrypicking shortcomings in the video are people with a strong vested interest in opposing women's rights and feminism. Like TRPers. The point the video makes is a good one, the problem is a real one. If you had any urban-dwelling female friends who ever walk places you would already know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:55 PM
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If you think what the woman was wearing in the video is a "hookers uniform" I suggest you return to Saudi Arabia.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:53 PM
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It was entirely hidden and the woman was a paid actress so calling her explotative is just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:51 PM
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What do you mean? According to a 1999 Economist poll, only 39% of the 3,000 Swiss women interviewed said they thought that “women should have all the same rights as men,” the second lowest proportion of the 11 countries polled (after Japan).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:49 PM
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One of the Swiss Cantons only introduced the right to vote for women in the mid 1991, and at a federal level only since the early 80s. According to a 1999 Economist poll, only 39% of the 3,000 Swiss women interviewed said they thought that “women should have all the same rights as men,” the second lowest proportion of the 11 countries polled (after Japan).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:47 PM
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what's your point? Thats not what it means to "call out" people who catcall.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:46 PM
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X often happens in practice does not compute to: therefore we shouldnt oppose or criticise X
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:45 PM
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I asked you for posts criciticising non-entitled nice guys, you gave a me a lump of posts cricitising deeply entitled Nice Guys. We are back where we started. You dont accept "entitled" as a criticism, whereas I think its a compelling one. Our debate can't move past this difference in prior assumptions. it all in all is a millstone around the neck of your dating efforts Oddly I have never found this. Nor have any of my male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:45 PM
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drive to succeed, and I think this comes from genetic and biological differences. Do you have any sources that shows a) there is a difference in drive (I assume you are right, but good to source this anyway), and b) that indicates this is biological not social in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:37 PM
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Yes. But this is largely due to problems with IQ as a measure of g. IQ is heavily influenced by education and socioeconomic factors. Something as minor as going through pre-school can add half a standard deviation of difference (approx 8-9 IQ pts) to an otherwise identical cohort controlled for all other factors. (source: http://www.iqtestexperts.com/iq-education.php) In addition, IQ for a given person changes greatly over their lifetime, in direct response to how intellectually taxing their act…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:26 PM
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You are conflating much more nuanced positions here. The range of any given potentialities is normally distributed for both genders. The means are different but the distribution is the same. For any potentiality you can find men and women who share that trait to the same degree, however the proportion of them to the populaiton as a whole may vary. There are also many potentialities where the position of the mean is a social/cultural artifact, rather than a biological/evolutionary one. I've not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:06 PM
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?? This is how everyone thinks of it. The whole "BP = men and women are identical in every way" is a bullshit strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:01 PM
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Dominance has historically been a physical assertion. Men are far stronger and larger than women, and put on muscle more easily. With the advent of technology and complex modern civilisation, physical dominance has been increasingly subverted by intellectual dominance, where there is much more a level playing field. women are always looking for a man who's taller and stronger than them Studies have shown women are most attracted to men in the same percentile as themselves in terms of height. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:00 PM
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I believe widespread ethical obligations are social constructs, rather than objective/universal, but I believe that there is an expectation of a basic level of ethical conduct, known as "basic human decency" that it's reasonable to expect of anyone participating in society. I find about 80% of people live up to this standard most of the time. Very few people fail to live up to this standard at any time, and those people are sociopaths or psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:53 AM
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BPer here, I got very high on the secure diagonal
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:50 AM
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This is not and never has been what the debate is about. A guy whose only contribution to the discussion about rape who ONLY chimes in AFTER a rape to say "you shouldnt have worn that skirt" isnt interested in reducing the incidence of rape, he is interested in blaming the victim. Look at someone's motivations as well as their actions and words if you want to understand their point of view. Its no coincidence that the people giving all this "concerned advice" on how women should act seeminly onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:46 AM
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I think you deliberately choose to misunderstand our arguments on these topics. No-one is saying people are never shitty, the difference between BP and RP on these topics is: BPers think shitty people (or at least populations) are capable of change for the better over time and we should focus our effort on working towards that, whereas; RPers think that not only is this effort pointless, but it is somehow objectionable (I've never understood this bit), and instead good people who are affected by…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:43 AM
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Because there were no rapes before the sexual revolution. OH WAIT
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:39 AM
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A lot of TRPers dont understand the difference between you having a right not to be looked at (which you dont have), and them being an asshole for looking (which they are).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:38 AM
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I personally believe that just by raising awareness of how shitty it is we make it less socially acceptable and thus less common. It will never go away entirely but social attitudes can and do change and this very much will make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:37 AM
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Calling out catcallers on their shit doesn't really help Yes it does. or I imagine that issue would be cleared up by now. Why? 99% of the time no-one calls them out for fear of confrontation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:36 AM
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I think you are mixing up people saying a position is ethically wrong with people saying they have a right to the counter-position. "I have the right to not be looked at during the process." I've not seen anyone claim this, but I have certainly seen (and agree with) the claim that staring at a person breasfeeding is shitty behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:35 AM
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citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:34 AM
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confounded means to have your expectation contradicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:33 AM
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I (BP) expect a basic standard of human decency from the average person, but accept that a good portion of people fall below this standard and therefore am appropriately cautious. I'm still deeply disappointed when I see a young adult refuse to give up their seat on the metro for a pregnant lady or pensioner though. One thing I've consistently noticed about extremely selfish people, however, is that they genuinely believe everyone else is just as selfish - it is inconceivable to them that other …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:31 AM
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What do you mean? The OP is very clearly about social democrat countries. Switzerland is the opposite of a social democrat country.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 11:29 AM
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Switzerland is an ultra-conservative country that literally no-one would describe as scandanavian or nordic
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:20 AM
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"everyone in finance must be right wing fantastists"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:18 AM
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Well... yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:16 AM
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Conflating equality and tolerance with Jante's law? rofl....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:16 AM
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To be fair, I think TRP is only 70% toxic bullshit, its just the other 30% is also in-common with literally every other dating advice for men ever (e.g. get into shape, be confident, be funny, be interesting).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:12 AM
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I ultimately believe women want men with the virtues, physique and authority of the traditional alpha male but none of his misogynist trappings for obvious reasons. Hence the appeal of hot male feminists such as Ryan Gosling If you take Ryan Gosling as your achetype, what does he really have in common with TRP philosophy? He is in great shape, he is confident.... and thats it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:12 AM
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Fair point, but if you go back to my original post I asked "if this is the general case, then it disproves..."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:09 AM
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Do you have evidence the prison stats dont include non-physical coercion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:08 AM
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Those social hurdles only exist in the minds of TRPers. You've embraced them and still arnt getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 10:07 AM
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Given that there are zero real comments agreeing with the Articles' premise, that should answer that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:52 PM
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PPD isnt neutral ground, its the battleground between BP and RP
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:48 PM
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The "environment" in this sense is just a product of the overall social attitudes of the country. The reason USA has a shitty environment compared to nordic countries is shitty social attitudes. On what planet are you from? A planet which doesnt have the concept of "at will" employment contracts, evidently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:47 PM
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Sure: 1) Total number reporting rape of any kind in last 12 months: 1.6% 2) Total number of rapes constituting "completed alcohol/drug facilitated penetration": 0.7% 3) Total number of "other sexual violence": 5.6% 1) - 2) +3) = 6.5% Did you deduct the promised you something an later reneged "rapes" too. I still dont know what this means, explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:43 PM
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Look at the comments
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:40 PM
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Heavy bitterness towards women and in a relationship with someone you profess to detest. Why not break up with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:40 PM
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You need more therapy then, but maybe talk not about TRP theories but your personal view of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:39 PM
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I'm afraid I'm not Jesus Christ, however messiah like my responses may appear.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:38 PM
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Look, I deliberately deducted the completed alcohol/drug facilitated penetration number from the statistic I cited, so saying "someone who got drunk and later regretted having sex" is included is clearly false.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:37 PM
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I looked it up and remembered wrong, it was Russian: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2470310/Sexual-harrassment-okay-as-it-ensures-humans-breed-Russian-judge-rules.html
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:35 PM
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No true scotsman. What country do you live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:34 PM
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A nordic woman who has moved to America cant by her attitude get free socialised healthcare, a year of maternity leave or protection from being fired from her job for unfair reasons. Its not that her values have evaporated, its that the average social values of american society as a whole have overriden them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:34 PM
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It disproves the TRP belief that the traits TRP believes are biologically hardwired into the genders are in fact so. Is this inarguable? I think that the history of the last 1500 years has been a pretty steady progession leftwards to more a socially liberal, inclusive and equality based society. Take any political positions of either party in the USA 50 years ago and they would all seem hard-right wing by today's standards. The same is true at any scale of history. I believe that countries like …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:27 PM
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Please substantiate this claim. Where does it say that in the report? edit: Look at the table on page 18 of the report. They specifically break down the incidents and the statistic I gave EXCLUDES the "completed alcohol/drug facilitated penetration" you are talking about. For clarity, if I had INCLUDED those incidents too, the figure would have been 7.2% I also still disagree that "Koss methodology" means "sex while drunk = rape". That question specifically asks "when you were drunk AND NOT ABLE…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:18 PM
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I'm a lawyer and one of my favourite French cases involves a Judge striking down a claim of workplace sexual harassment involving a boss making his secretary sit on his lap, slapping her ass etc, with a ruling on the lines of "If this kind of behaviour was not tolerated in French workplaces, there would be no French children".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:17 PM
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But if you read the link in the OP you would see that I meant more than individual values taken from social consensus, I meant thinks that the society itself offers, like welfare, healthcare and a strong promotion of equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:15 PM
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Tbh I dont even notice your username until you later reply to me. The core of RP that is actually good advice is the stuff we have identified.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:14 PM
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A -different statistic- in that report, not the one with the methodology you are claiming undermines it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:13 PM
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Personally I think a fundamental inability to empathise with people in different situations to you is pathological. If that is what it means to be right wing then yes, you may have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:11 PM
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You are still posting here though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:09 PM
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the fact that you also used the word condemnation doesnt make what you are doing any less "condemning". You are condemning the strategy of calling people out for poor behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:09 PM
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Still entirely irrelevant to the statistic I relied upon
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:07 PM
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This commonly occurs in TRP too. In fact, it sometimes occurs here in TPB. Why not join them? Do what they do right back in response Because the second you do that you lose any claim to the high ground. You are what you hate and you are every bit as much a cause for their behaviour as they are for yours. Claiming "we only do it because you do it" is inherently laughable. That's how (the trolls and retards on) both sides feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:05 PM
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which really under any kind of moral or ethical system would be banned Wat? Nope. Under any ethical system using a rational measure of personality or being-hood, a foetus which has no higher brain function (i.e. pre 20-22 weeks or so) shouldn't be ethically as an entity distinguished from its mother. It has no more ethical agency than a brain-dead body, and turning off life support has the same ethical implications (or lack thereof) in either case. It only when you start bringing religious conce…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:03 PM
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Nah you just say some hilariously extreme things sometimes :P
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:59 PM
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I cant believe even you think this is a coherent argument "You guys made things shitty so I'm going to shit everywhere too and then blame you for it"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:58 PM
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The point is if it applies to both sides equally, your original call out was false.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:57 PM
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Do you even lift?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:56 PM
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Why are you crossposting here when you've been thoroughly debunked there?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:55 PM
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They are mixing up psychopath with narcissistic or APD
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:54 PM
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What I mean to say when boil things down everything is an transaction. This transactional way of looking at the world is inherently narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:50 PM
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As a confident, assertive and ambitious man these are the top three qualities I look for in a woman too. Valuing certain traits as indicators of a good mate isn't objectifying if you still treat them as an individual. A philosophy such as TRP which emphasises "abundance mentality", i.e. the replacability of any given self-propelled cum recepticle (sorry I mean woman) with another is inherently objectifying - what are women in this mindset but a particularly willful sexual accessory?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:47 PM
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This is a completely different CDC study to the one I cited and is entirely irrelevant to the statistic I relied upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:45 PM
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Personally I think those ailing marriages shouldnt be saved. Using manipulation to keep a disinterested spouse in the game is just papering over the cracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:44 PM
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If you spend any time on /r/relationships, which is a BASTION of TBP "genders are equal and approach relationship problems in a pretty much identical way" thought and advice, you'll see "hit the gym, lose weight improve your confidence, leave your comfort zone, be more direct, stop creeping" etc as basic, entry level advice in pretty much every situation. So this kind of advice isnt just "not exclusive to TRP", its bog standard stuff for the people that TRP consider themselves directly opposed t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:42 PM
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"being violently raped over and over" isnt what the prison statistics measure either. They measure selfreported sexual victimisation. Having your ass whipped by a towel in the shower may count. Women who got drunk and chose to have sex they otherwise wouldn't have had , is not rape. PLEASE CITE the claim that the CDC classifies this as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:39 PM
0

How do you distinguish the american "environment" from american society? Arent you just calling the latter by a different term?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:38 PM
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France is an extremely sexist country, so that doesnt really contradict the claim in the OP. I'm sure it also works well in most third world countries and asian countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:37 PM
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I disagree. Feminism is incredibly active in the nordic countries. Opposition to feminism is not, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:50 PM
2

Can you give me an example of a PUA who has had success in a nordic country? Also isnt one of the main points about TRP that being naturally physically attractive isnt that important provided you are a built alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:49 PM
-1

then you cant empathise
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:47 PM
-1

I think its fair to say most people grow out of TRP around the time of their first real LTR. Certain narcissists excepted, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:45 PM
1

Is this a joke? Successful marriages without TRP are commonplace. If you have a shitty marriage its down to you being shitty or your choice of partners being shitty, not failing to use TRP methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:43 PM
-1

I have a theory that this attitude in men correlates with religious areas even if the men arent religious, because I dont see it so much in the metropolitan financial centres I've lived in (London, NYC, Sydney).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:41 PM
1

Less than human? Maybe not. Less than men? Less than equal? Both undoubtably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:40 PM
0

Dude I've browsed /r/relationships for a long while now and women come in all the time asking "is this behaviour ok" before describing being repeatedly raped by their partner. A LOT of people in abusive situations dont realise it - the abuse itself grinds their perspective and self-belief down to the point that they think what is happening is normal. eg: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/2a18jd/me_26f_with_my_date_29_m_first_date_was_i_raped/ You are comparing that to prison rape, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:38 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that. I hope it doesnt happen again. I'm also deeply sorry that you dont think your own sexual assault is so unremarkable that it is not worth "creating drama" about and that you are inured to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:16 PM
2

I agree. Just like there will always be terrorism while there is poverty, ignorance and oppression in the middle-east and africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:11 PM
2

No, I get it. It's why "20 civilians killed in drone strike" doesn't sound as bad to our ears as "20 civilians, including women and children, killed in drone strike" (it's interesting how women and children are always lumped together). Thats also partly because for muslim terrorist groups, women and children killed in the crossfire are vastly more likely to be civilians than terrorists. The men killed may have been terrorists, the women and kids almost certainly werent, so killing them is provab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:10 PM
1

I have literally no idea what you are trying to say here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:03 PM
5

Look the other way? Society slaps them on the back and tells them they are just boys being boys
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:02 PM
1

Why not stop reading into those topics or trying to talk about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:00 PM
2

Therapists dont want to discuss TRP, because TRP is toxic bullshit and the T doesnt want to alienate you by telling you that nor validate TRP in anyway. Your posts are dripping with paranoia and conspiricy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 05:00 PM
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A single data-point (two if you count your mom) you use to justify a generalisation across all women. Any evidence you yourself wont end up abusive towards future partners? Because I strongly get that vibe from you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:58 PM
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Its unsupported pseudo-scientific misogynistic assertions like this that make TRP so incredible tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:42 PM
0

Since "attempted forced penetration" is still sexual victimisation that conflation is irrelevant as it is also present in the prison statistics. They also call having sex because someone promised something that they didn't follow through with as rape. And the include having sex while drunk that was later regretted, if the guy provided any of the intoxicants. Please directly quote the bits that back up what you are saying, I'm looking at the full report and cant find anything that indicates this …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:41 PM
4

You realise TRP is LITERALLY a guide to consciously manipulating women right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:28 PM
3

The article is satire dummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:28 PM
2

Napoleon being short was an English propeganda lie. He was actually 5ft 6" which was above average for the era.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:26 PM
1

Do you even wear lifts bro? Proalpha: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/img_dir/2012/07/30/2012073001327_0.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:25 PM
1

4.5 percent of the state and federal prisoners surveyed reported sexual victimization of some kind in the past 12 months. 1% of women reported being raped by any perpetrator in the 12 months prior to taking the survey. 5.6% of women experienced sexual violence victimization other than rape by any perpetrator in the 12 months prior to taking the survey. No they dont - the figures are for the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:20 PM
1

Then why does no-one die from lack of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:18 PM
0

Those are cdc figures, so they include non rapes and non assaults. No, I specifically extracted the figures for just rapes, and just sexual assaults, and added them. Men saying hello or whistling on the street aren't referencing rape, the same cannot be said for the prison example. I kinda agree, but rapists are by definition sexually entitled, so knowing you are at high risk of sexual assault from people who are sexually entitled quite rightly makes women nervous around men who act entitled ("s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:18 PM
1

To be fair you get banned in TRP for deviating too if the mods spot your comment before it is obliviated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:13 PM
2

If you like grapes but you hate dogshit, why would you eat grapes rolled in dogshit when you can just eat grapes, or grapes rolled in cinnamon, or with cheese, or in any other combination that doesnt involve dogshit? Does the fact that grapes are awesome in any way validate grapes-in-dogshit as a foodstuff? There's the issue with TRP. The core good stuff isnt anything new, and the fringe "new" stuff is patently false, unpleasant or hateful. Plus the average community member is a fucking idiot. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:08 PM
1

That's simply because, like any cult or theory that has gained any traction whatsoever, there are a core of appealing truisms to TRP. Confidence, directness, self-reliance and self-improvement aren't things anyone sane in the world disagrees with, and having them as a a-priori assumed necessity / first goal or you dont get to play makes TRP like it might be "truth" to anyone who doesnt default to those positions naturally. Its kinda like how if you are a fat weakling, you can make muscle gains A…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:07 PM
1

All true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:03 PM
0

You may find THIS interesting (warning: scientists talking science): http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:02 PM
1

What? Bill O'Reilly isnt a moderate middle-grounder.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:01 PM
1

/signed for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 04:00 PM
1

Me too on the blue pill side. This sub has helped me understand why some reasonable, intelligent people associate with TRP despite the preponderance of frothing, bitter misogynists over there (answer: they pretend those people arent "true" TRPers)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:58 PM
0

I dont think the fact that TRP has a few truisms to do with confidence and self-responsibility and improvement at its core in any way makes all the sexist pseudo-science and conservative social mythology any more palatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:57 PM
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Yes. Does that make it ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:56 PM
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alfalfas
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:54 PM
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because at an individual level it isnt necessary at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:32 PM
1

The whole point of Maslow's bottom tier of physiological needs is they HAVE to be filled in the very near term or the entity dies. The third tier is the lowest tier than is non-essential. The second is medium-long term essential needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:15 PM
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"X will always be a problem, so there is no point trying to reduce its magnitude" is just so self-evidently bullshit I dont think even you believe it. Compare racism or sexism now to the 1980s. We have VASTLY improved things in that time. The idea now is the arbitrary point at which improvement is no longer possible has absolutely zero logic or evidence to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:14 PM
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Basically you are part of the problem and condemn attempting to find solutions as "silly". People like you are almost worse than the people actually doing these things. Its people like you that act as the block to improving the world. Luckily the tide of history has never been on the side of you or your kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:51 PM
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In prison there is a clear and present threat of rape and many of those winks and whistles are actually making unspoken references to violent, prison rape WRONG and demonstrating the fundamental lack of understanding of the TRP position. A man in prison has a lower statistical chance of being assaulted than a women in the world at large. 4.5% of prisoners have been sexually assaulted or raped in the last 12 months: http://www.hrw.org/news/2007/12/15/us-federal-statistics-show-widespread-prison-r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:49 PM
1

How can an individual fundamentally "need" spreading one's genes when a large portion of the population never does?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:40 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:38 PM
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No, I mean NAMALT and NAWALT as ironic put downs to someone claiming a posited general rule isnt true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:38 PM
1

Can you give me an example of a potential or set of potentials for either men or women that is not also a potential for the other gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:37 PM
1

I'm from London. If anyone spat in the street here everyone within viewing distance would glare at them, and a passing police officer would have words. Maybe its different in shitsville nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:36 PM
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meaningless bs
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:34 PM
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Thats what people said about civil rights, the environment, women's vote, and indeed, fuck, any social movement in the history of man. "Fuck trying to change things, this is just how things are"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:34 PM
0

I have no idea if you are low quality, but if you are high quality then you presumably have the means and talent to make a life elsewhere, so why dont you leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:33 PM
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Again, incredibly easy to say when a) you dont have to experience it and b) you arent half the weight and strength of the people catcalling at you and c) you dont have a 1 in 4 chance of being sexually assaulted at some point in your life and d) the catcalls never descend into aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:32 PM
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I personally dont believe this is a widespread thing. 10 minutes on google fails to uncover any well trafficed blog or site calling for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 02:30 PM
1

I wouldnt touch 90% of the women most RPers would sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:55 PM
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Blue pill is more broad but basically it's talking to women like they're your friend. "How was your day? Do you like to read? I had a great trip up north recently, can I buy you a drink? Etc" No it isnt. Blue pill is just NOT being a sexist "women are teenagers" arrogance=highest quality, disdainful dickhead. Confidence, teasing and directness are absolutely things I, an avowed feminist BPer, would advocate in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:55 PM
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a redpill man with a sweeping negative generalisation of women? HOLD THE FUCKING PRESSES!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:52 PM
1

incompetent lesbians are the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:50 PM
1

Thats not dating advice, that advice on how to have random sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:49 PM
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What many Feminists have told me When and where have many feminists told you personally this? I am a feminist. All my friends are feminists or sympathise. I dont know anyone who feels this way. I'm not being disingenous - I havent seen ANYONE outside of a single fringe activist group with no pull and a few oddballs on the tumblr-nuttrsphere who believes that catcalling should be more illegal than it already is. Please provide some justification for your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:38 PM
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I agree, I dont oppose discussion and I'm willing to concede there are points on both sides. But I'm sure as hell going to keep agitating for the side that OPPOSES as opposed to APOLOGISES for street harassment. Why is all your personal focus on the flaws in the "women's" side of this issue? Why dont you engage with the other side too? Shouldnt your attention be divided between those issues in accordance with their importance? Do you really believe "problems in the methods used to complain about…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:35 PM
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I wasnt asking if it technically works. If you want to get laid, date rape technically works. I also wasnt asking if it was good for the guy. My shits are given on an individual, case-by-case basis. Thats a way of saying you dont believe in social change (i.e. change that isnt at the level of specific individuals) as an aim.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:33 PM
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They dont collect data on alimony any more because it doesnt exist in most states. Its a strawman problem
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:31 PM
1

Someone on the street makes an opener to you once every six minutes? Bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:30 PM
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We dont, we want to change society to bring the behaviour of the lowest common denominator up as much as possible. Why do RPers oppose that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 05:29 PM
1

The standard "bar scene" and "bar sluts" that seems to be the backbround for almost all US-based PUAistry doesn't resonate at all with me living in central london, at least not at the mid-high socioeconomic level. Neither really seems to exist unless you are what we British charmingly call "a chav". I'd be interested to hear from a London based TRPer as to how they think things are different over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 04:20 PM
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Yes, the video is about the impact of each single event in isolation and isnt in ANY WAY about the sheer volume and unceasingness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 04:18 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 04:17 PM
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There's no way you actually believe this. No-one genuinely thinks feminism and greater sexual equality means more violence against women. Its entirely down to reporting. Women in shitty violent and sexist cultures will not consider the stuff that happens to them and all their friends in daily life to be unusual and so wont report it in surveys. Slapped me? You mean when it wasnt appropriate right? And only hard enough to knock me to the floor? Not just a love-tap to the face. Burned me? Oh yeah …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 04:15 PM
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but not in case of rape. Thats not true at all. Feminists tell women all the time how to avoid rape. The problem isnt with telling women this. Its with YOU and other right wing assholes telling women this, and in particular telling women whove JUST BEEN RAPED this, aka victim blaming, to shift the focus away from tackling rapists and a society that discourages victims from going to the police, and towards forcing women to live limited lives. It is literally the same sentiment that drives laws th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 04:06 PM
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Theres tonnes of answers. We all agree with this ruling. Presumption of innocence is an essential feature of criminal justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 04:03 PM
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Ok so follow up question. A lot of the PUA teachings TRP evolved out of, if not ALL of them, suggest approaching women constantly, including on the street. "Play the numbers" and similar are oft-used expressions. Do you support that, oppose that, or not give a shit at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:55 PM
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Who said this? Its literally the premise of a huge proportion of TRP threads. "look what the feminists said now" followed by derrisive sneering and sniping. I'm going to start using MWALT and MMALT. Most women arent like that. Most Feminists arent like that would also be useful. Because a lot of AWALT claims seem to be based on Tumblr or a particular kind of low socio-economic small-town class of person. MWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:52 PM
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We agree - NAMALT is just as dumb and unreasonable as NAWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:50 PM
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I agree with everything you've said bar the last half sentence. I think even bad activism is good for democracy. I'd rather have people who care pulling the consensus in either direction than for inertia to keep things from changing. Even activists on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me are worthwhile if they promote conversation and get people taking a stance. Social change is a laudable goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:49 PM
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Dont the needs of the child depend on their lifestyle before the divorce? Should a kid really be forced to move to a poorer area and a shittier school because his dad doesnt want to pay anymore? Isnt protecting kids more important than protecting the wallets of the adults who caused the divorce? And child support is paid from women to men too you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:45 PM
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Also thats 89, I bet the numbers for alimony are VASTLY lower now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:44 PM
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"even" child support? You think that child support, that is to say, the cost of upkeep for a child caught in the crossfire of a divorce, is not particularly important?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:42 PM
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They are shitty arguments when used ironically by either side.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:41 PM
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Stop living in a shithole then. and if you live there, presumably you are in a similar quality bracket
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:38 PM
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If that were the case then anything AWALT is also AMALT There are no behavioural potentials within women that are not potentials within men. The distribution of degree is different, the average may be different, but if we are just talking potentials then its identical. If I'm wrong give me an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:37 PM
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And NAWALT is a term of derision on TRP, i.e. a true RPer doesnt believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:36 PM
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So why is it offensive when feminists make gross generalisations about men, but ok when TRP/manosphere make equally gross generalisations about women? Most feminists, even some of the most misandrist ones, at least concede that there are many male exceptions to their (bullshit) generalisations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:34 PM
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NAWALT is used on theredpill the same way "unicorn" is - dismissively as if it isnt true, and in fact AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:32 PM
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Sorry I dont quite follow. You said: the video makers themselves later admitted that they left out the parts where she interacted with people from wealthier areas What made you say that? I saw that post before it was deleted and it didnt say anything of the sort. It was talking about race, and having to cut out some catcalls by white guys for various reasons. Wealth wasnt mentioned. The overall message of the comment was "people of all stripes catcalled, even if the video doesnt show it".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:30 PM
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Exhaustion is the part of it that prevents you wanting to reply or be friendly. But the other half of the experience is anxiety and fear. IS one of these guys the "angry" kind of catcaller. Or the kind that wont take no for an answer? Or the kind that follows you (can you honestly tell me this, which happened in the video at least once, is not frightening?).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:21 PM
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Every man in this thread please can you take a second to imagine being weakly built and walking along a prison balcony, with each massive inmate you pass winking at you and saying something sexual, asking you to come into their cell for a minute, or getting angry that you dont respond to their greeting. Tell me that isnt terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:19 PM
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Could you please tell me a bit more about your priority list, specifically issues that benefit women primarily?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:10 PM
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Social attitudes do not exist in a vacuum. It doesnt matter if no-one who catcalls sees the video (but a lot will because people who know them but dont approve will send it to them), provided the average view across society shifts towards not tolerating catcalls.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:09 PM
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The guy skilled at computers isnt going to be assaulted for not responding to that attention though is he? I find arguments like yours pretty unconvincing - what exactly are all these worthy causes you claim to prioritise? "Its not a problem because there are worse problems" is NEVER a good argument. Responding to problems isnt a zero sum game - society can adapt to make an infinite number of problematic behaviours socially unacceptable simultaneously. To put it in a sentence - raising awareness…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:04 PM
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Its very easy to claim something is no big deal when it doesnt ever happen to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:02 PM
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If their agenda is "to change social attudes so that this behaviour is not considered acceptable by non-scumbags", would you disagree? I get the impression you guys are inventing additional agenda as an excuse not to support what should be a universally supportable agenda, simply because its about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 03:01 PM
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ITs both. 50 years ago spitting in the street and littering was legit for everyone, even upstanding citizens who considered themselves socially conscious. Now it is not. Social attitudes CAN be changed. Why are you so invested with not even trying? If you agree catcalling is unpleasant, why are you so resistant to trying to do anything about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:58 PM
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Your argument is that women should adapt rather than society I dont want to live in your world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:56 PM
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Like how republicans criticise obamacare, attacking the messanger or the method is all just a massive misdirection to prevent anyone tackling the problem. Get some proportionality! Why is it more important to criticise the approach to this problem than to raise awareness about the problem itself? If it ISNT then why are you so wrapped up in finding things to criticise here? Why not spend even 1/5 of the wordcount you have devoted to denouncing whatever feminist agenda you are convinced is manipu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:55 PM
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Maybe it IS society's responsibility to help them. Its not even this claim we are making - its that it is society's responsibility not to encourage threatening behaviour towards them. Its not a call for positive help, its just a call not to hold a social attitude that catcalling and street approaches are legitimate behaviour for non-scumbags. Right now, if you did a poll in TRP, most people would say street approaches are completely fair enough. Thats the problem. Thats the point of videos like …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:52 PM
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Its funny how people like you use "feminists" interchangeably with "non-right wing women". Note that the video makers themselves later admitted that they left out the parts where she interacted with people from wealthier areas (whiter, wealthier, and less intimidating areas, of course). Apparently, those edited-out parts didn't help their message. Can you cite this claim. I havent seen that in any of the interviews? I reconginse upper east side in some of the video, and there are plenty of middl…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:47 PM
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How is it a strawman? What are you basing that on? I know LOADS of people who have had exactly this experience, in fact I dont have any female friends who HAVENT complained of this. If a woman gets approached 100 times in 10 hours, or even if this is a special one off and the correct figure is 20 times (massive stretch), if even one in 20 men DO react that way (and it seems it is a fair few more) that means you everage woman will experience being called a bitch by a random stranger on the street…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:46 PM
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Any argument based on empathy is going to fail pretty hard to gain traction in TRP tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:43 PM
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Social attitudes are what lets this happen. You change social attitudes by inspiring exactly this kind of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:42 PM
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she isnt, she is an actress. The non-profit dedicated to fighting catcalling and street-harassment who commissioned the film is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:39 PM
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This is one of the few problems where "raising awareness" does help fix the issue. Most of those guys will have NO IDEA how often a woman gets approached. Maybe some of the more reasonable ones, seeing this video and the discussion around it (or talking to someone who has), might reconsider their actions. As cultural attitudes change, this kind of thing will get less common. A good example of this in action is spitting in the street. 50 years ago, and in China and other countries today, hawking …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:37 PM
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Thats just it. By talking about it and reaching a consensus that the kind of behaviour in the video is not ok, some people who might have done it, or have friends who might have done it, who see that consensus, now might stop doing it or call their friends out more. Its about changing social attitudes to this kind of thing. This is one of the few problems where "raising awareness" does help fix the issue. Most of those guys will have NO IDEA how often a woman gets approached. Maybe some of the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 02:36 PM
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I dont think you understand the concept of a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 03:57 PM
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Semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 03:55 PM
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The problem is, the misogynist and junk-science believers seem to be a majority of TRPers, and the consequence of being stupid and believing something like "mentally, women think and act like well-behaved teenagers", which is nonsense, scientifically (find me one study that even hints at this in any relevant psychological field (I can find plenty of studies that show no, or negligable differences between the sexes in their approach and attitude to many tasks, dilemmas and scenarios)), are being …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 10:16 AM
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So the reason for your decision isnt based on the fact that a human life ends?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 10:01 AM
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That link works, thanks. Will read edit: Ok II) completely misses the point. Abusers like Henry dont pick up random girls in bars. They pick up broken victims of prior abuse, whose mental illnesses or personality disorders make them ripe for the kind of manipulation a violent abuser uses to keep them on the hook. 5 minutes in google can prove the science behind this - abuse victims go back to their abusers because after a long period with the abusers the abuse is the only validation they really …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 09:26 AM
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This is a reverse no true scotsman argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 09:23 AM
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Right so you've never had a problem with that basic need. Your basic needs are met in Maslow's hierarchy, or else you'd be dead. I dont think you understand the concept of the hierarchy here. The bottom layer of Maslow's hierarchy is things that you will die without, aka physiological needs. For an individual, sexual intimacy is in the thierd "tier" of the hierarchy, being "love/belonging" or "social" needs, above safety needs. There is a way to include sex as a basic need, and thats if you look…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 04:29 PM
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Both?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 03:50 PM
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Got to work, but may do another day. Cheers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 03:49 PM
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I take your point. An alpha will likely be respected, but being respected doesnt make you an alpha. The Rational Male article is interesting, describing Alpha as a mindset, not just accomplishments and characteristics. Isnt that simply defining Alpha as arrogance? Few random questions: Is Barack Obama an alpha? Is Hilary Clinton? Would she be if she was president? How does TRP theory account for women who possess similar traits and accomplishments to men they consider alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 02:23 PM
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Lots of people in this sub get pretty defensive, no worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 02:21 PM
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Unfortunately something about that website freezes my (ancient, work) browser requiring me to end process, so I could only read the first page that fits on the screen when it first loads. If you want me to read it, please could you copy paste it into a message or pm. If you dont care enough to bother, thats fine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 02:03 PM
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I guess you could define alpha as "the guy people respect the most" I guess that encompasses most of the alternate things you listed. Alpha implies being self-evidently "better" than those around you. What better measure of that than respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 01:52 PM
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Alpha is like porn. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. Three guys of equal perceived status jobs, confidence, competence and physically, one treats his GF with respect even when she (like any human) makes a minor mistake or bad mood, the other is dismissive and rude to her, and maybe calls a few old flings when she isn't "pleasing" him, the third breaks up with her over it and moves on. Which is more Alpha? The guy who has to resort to pettiness and passive-aggressive mindgames (del…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 01:43 PM
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This guys problems are not the result of being "too nice", they are the result of having only minimum wage jobs and mental health issues in a country which has a shitty welfare safety net and public education system (as well as race issues) preventing him improving this position himself. And as an analogy it is AWFUL: You keep whining about how “unfair” it is that you can’t get a good job. “But I’m such a hard worker.” No, actual hard workers don’t feel like they’re entitled to other people’s mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 01:40 PM
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I dont believe those are inherently beta or even feminine traits, any more than I believe assertiveness is an inherently masculine trait. I've read a lot of evolutionary psychology and I see a lot of claims made by TRPers about "inherent" characteristics in men and women that don't hold up to scrutiny (though there also are many that do). Here is an excellent debate from two scientists with differing views on this point: http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html. I tend to lean to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 12:44 PM
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I believe its possible to combine all the positive aspects of a TRP Alpha male with most of the positive aspects of a feminist New Man and this is actually a vastly better person than either constituant part. I think TRP's views are just as off-base to one side as the feminists who promoted new Men in the 90s. Can you give me a link to a nice guy who hasnt exhibitted unpleasant misogyny, bitterness (blaming women) or entitlement who has been "nice guy shamed", because I browse /r/relationships e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 11:36 AM
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But why cant a man be both? Why is it not possible to be a weight lifting assertive alpha male provider with lots of other options who is faithful, loving, empathic, respectful, non-sexist and reasonable? Hint: it is. This is a description a true natural alpha. If being respectful, supportive of empathic loses you your alpha mantle, it wasnt very firmly secured in the first place. You are saying your options are arsehole or doormat, but none of the positive qualities of either extreme are actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 11:32 AM
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Magic. Not relevant to the question. Some ethically neutral, untraceable source, and if you dont get it it just goes to waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 11:27 AM
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Women in skandanavian countries, which have actually come pretty close to gender equality, are vastly happier than americans: http://www.economywatch.com/economy-business-and-finance-news/gender-equality-key-to-wealth-and-happiness-in-nordic-countries.27-03.html Women in the middle east, with the polar opposite to gender equality, are the LEAST happy. http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/11111111115 Your claims are nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 11:19 AM
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No, I know (or rather, used to know, when I was at university) lots of people like you IRL, and this obsession with the victims actions isn't in any way limited to academic discussion forums like this one. Heck, pick up any right wing tabloid and you get the same thing. Coverage of a rape? 2 paragraphs on what she was wearing and what had been drinking and a sentence on the rapist. I agree some feminists have a vested interest in identifying rape culture. But that doesnt mean it is wrong! PS: Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 11:11 AM
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Dread is anti-commitment, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 11:08 AM
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They dont. The reason not to fuck a married women when you are single is: a) I personally dont fuck someone I dont respect, and who respects a cheating married person? Your mileage may vary but personally I think having sex with someone you look down on is kinda sad; b) Drama; c) if they have kids. Those kids didnt choose to have a cheating parent. Even if the parent will cheat anyway, why be party to something that fucks some innocent kids over? I was talking about cheating when you yourself ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 10:59 AM
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It's what people are calling "acquaintance rapes" where women don't want to resist because they'll upset the perpetrator, who is generally someone close to her. It's a different animal. You realise that physical intimidation is by and large one the biggest reason they want to avoid upsetting the perpetrator? They dont want to get (more) hurt. Mm, smells like a false dichotomy. I have 0 control over the actions of others, and 100% control over whether I go to a party and get shitfaced. I'm lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 10:54 AM
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Thats a reasonable answer to my question so I shall give you one in return. I am a confirmed and avowed TBPer and an equity feminist/gender egalitarian. Yet I agree with many of the self-help and even evolutionary psychology tenets of TRP. I draw some lines, in certain cases very strong ones, but I think I can defend them. I find the TRP -community- as opposed to the majority of the beliefs/techniques themselves to be what puts me firmly in the TBP camp. The completely legitimate criticisms thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 10:39 AM
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I dont disagree with this at all, but you dont meet unicorns in clubs, and they do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 10:34 AM
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No I dont want a response, it isnt relevant, I found your debating interesting and informative and happened to read that today and thought someone like you with an interest in such topics would also enjoy it. No need to be hostile
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 10:30 AM
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deal, provided you read this: http://edge.org/3rd_culture/debate05/debate05_index.html
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 10:36 PM
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TRP characterises itself as amoral, I thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 10:25 PM
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I agree with all your criticisms of the reporting generally but even with the lower numbers the point still stands. Thats a heck of a lot of female-breadwinner families.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 10:23 PM
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Thats a very different point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 10:09 PM
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Dude "rapists" are just fairly normal guys. You wouldnt be able to pick them out of a crowd. They certainly arent all mentally ill, loners or sociopaths. The difference between a frat guy rapist and a frat guy non-rapist is NOT a fundamental difference in mentality, ethics or outlook. like rapists being overwhelmingly student athletes with poor academics from unprivileged backgrounds This doesnt surprise me. Sexual entitlement is the root of a lot of rape and who is more sexually entitled that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 10:09 PM
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So you wouldnt sleep with a married woman then, all else being equal, because the benefit to you (minor - easily replaceable sexual enjoyment) doesnt exceed the impact on her husband, marriage, kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 08:42 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:49 PM
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You've met a nice guy, we are talking about Nice Guys, which are anything but nice in reality. The name comes from the fact that they usually describe themselves as such openly before decrying that stupid bitches dont like nice guys. Now the nice guy you have in mind, why do you think he is failing? What is it about him you personally find unattractive? I'm not asking you "what changes should he make to become an alpha male", because after all most betas still get girls some of the time and he i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:48 PM
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yeah cant really say I'm horribly bothered about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:46 PM
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Yeah I admit I have only used kill it with kindness on superiors, to end up basically managing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:43 PM
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In some ways, replying to me with logical arguments is failing a shit test ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:42 PM
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I understand the point you are making now. If one believes that feminism's drive for equality will actually lead to women being paid more for the same work than men, and you believe that women will not be in a couple with a man who is lower power than themselves, and you believe that these attitudes are not changeable in a realistic time frame, then yes, I can see why you would oppose feminism. You are also correct my assertion was a straw man given that you are describing other people not your …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:32 PM
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No, I dont understand what consequences you are referring to that are neither mystical nor selfish in their implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:19 PM
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Does your nihilism extend to ethics? How far do you take your "better off cooperating" concept? Does it extend to sacrifice? to what degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:17 PM
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History will exist regardless. Zealous protection of specific culture? Massively overrated. Variety will exist through genetic variation and subculture regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:16 PM
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Nice Guys are never upfront. Their inability to be direct is what led to their relationship failure in the first place. The one single change that would make them have a chance of success is being direct and upfront. There are exactly zero Nice Guys who have those triats - its a defining feature that they are indirect and passive. This guy is a Nice Guy: http://xkcd.com/513/ I'm talking about the guy who is always up front and honest. The guy who does the right thing yet is rejected at every tur…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:12 PM
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My (extensive) experience is that a (to use your terminology) 10 who knows my body as well as her own that I care about deeply, gets me off in a vastly more (mutually) satisfying way than a fumble with another, random 10. Emotional connection improves sex. Familiarity improves sex (at least, if you are both good at it and good partners). I used to have a lot of ONSs. I grew out of it by my mid 20s, and tbh the girls who have a lot of ONSs don't tend to be very high value anyway. As I hit my stri…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:08 PM
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TRP is amoral. Its isnt a set of moral pinciples its a set of tools. A gun isnt moral. I accept that, but, just as with guns, its illuminating to see what kind of people flock to use those tools and how they use them, which of course IS open to moral and ethical judgment. It is not immoral to put a woman in competition with other women, that is natural, if she wants to win commitment she needs to prove herself. This is a naturalistic fallacy. it is immoral to break a vow A lot of TRPs advocate c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:04 PM
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And how has that worked out for you to date? I ask because some of the most intractable interpersonal problems (mostly in my professional life) I've come across have not only been solved but vastly improved my perceived status, by situational use of the "kill it with kindness" approach that your credo necessarily rejects. Entirely situationally, I should emphasise - not being a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 07:01 PM
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I am happy to defer to any definition of dread game that has ever been previously posted to TRP. If you can cite such a definition we can discuss it in that context. Obviously me making up my own definition isnt illuminative. I'm also happy to discuss this in the context of ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 06:59 PM
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I dont understand your argument. Who is pushing for giving up mate selection? I'm talking about redefining the characteristics that signify a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:39 PM
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Ok thanks - enjoyed discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:36 PM
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Its funny that you see sex as a need on par with food, water, air and sleep. People cant survive without the latter 4 but many do survive without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:35 PM
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Interesting response, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:34 PM
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I dont believe in the supremacy of free speech. Free speech as a fundamental right is a peculiarly american concept - it isn't anywhere near as important in european human rights. I've always thought free speech uber alles was a republican/conservative position. TBP isnt mad TRP bans us. It makes sense. Most of you dont want your worldview questioned, and the ones that do come here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:33 PM
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I dont follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:30 PM
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I was assuming you were like most children and teenagers, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:29 PM
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What if killing them just gave you great wealth at zero risk of being caught. All you do is press a button on your phone and they die of what looks like natural causes and you become very wealthy? The person is a random stranger you've met once.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 05:29 PM
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I dont think I'm being unreasonable by claiming that "real" feminism is about equality - thats common to every single definition I've ever seen of it. Equality also means a lot more than equal rights. Equality also means equal treatment, which we are far from obtaining in the west despite many advances. IMO Equality DOES NOT however, mean equal outcomes. Fact is, the moderate feminists who pick their battles and make sensible points are not interesting to the media, because they don't make big h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 04:05 PM
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Why do you think ideological moderation is wrong when you do it as well? Do you think larger subs should be subject to a higher standard? You say it is hypocritical, but who from BP is saying that moderation in TRP should be biased? Where is the hypocracy? I dont have a problem with censorship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 04:02 PM
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By that conception, what else is there other than internal, "self" concerns like rational self interest, and the mystical? Presumably nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 04:01 PM
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No, any external morality. That doesnt require god or mysticism. Humanism is a good example. I suppose any external creed might be described as idealism though. If you reject all idealism isnt that just another way of saying you don't believe in morality? What is morality if not the most quintissential of idealisms?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:27 PM
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I think being a bitter misogynist is understandable in those circumstances in the same way being a child molester is understandable if you spent all your childhood being sexually abused. It doest absolve responsibility or mean pity should override judgment. Plenty of people go through those same experiences and dont become assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:26 PM
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Would you be benevolent at a net cost to yourself (i.e. against rational self-interest)? Would you kill someone if it gave you a signficant net-benefit, all factors considered?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:24 PM
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I dont think its fair to lump them together - the ideologies are opposed, not just "an extreme form of the other".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:23 PM
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You did it again - you abstracted then generalised based on the abstraction! Is it wrong to deliberately make someone anxious for your own benefit? Not "is it wrong to do something which as a byproduct makes someone else anxious". The whole point of "Dread game" is to use anxiety as a weapon. Its not "doing something good that as a mostly irrelevant side effect causes anxiety". The anxiety is the main point! I think you realise that this is ethically dubious which is why you arent able to give m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:21 PM
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Ok but who did you listen to and believe? Your peers or random adults/parents? The Nice Guy concept not only exists - if you browse /r/relationships you see them all the time asking for advice. There's also a fantastic tumblr called "NiceGuys of OKCupid" which may now be dead but basically was a collection of self-described Nice Guy profiles with quotations showing they were, in fact, bitter assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:09 PM
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Brigading is when you link to another sub or post with the intent that other people agitate for or against it. The rule against it doesnt shut up the link or the discussion, merely the agitation. If there was no rule about brigadign TRP couldnt exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 03:01 PM
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I was hoping by my language to keep concepts of shame a guilt removed from the equation entirely - I agree the points you raised are very interesting, but they arent what I'm getting at with my line of questioning. Lets posit an imaginary scenario where shame, guilt and external accountability do not exist. Then re-ask the question. Is there anything other than "rational self interest" that should be weighed up when determining one's actions in response to the scenarios above? I'm aware with suf…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:58 PM
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appropriate quote is appropriate
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:54 PM
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I agree you havent committed a fallacy here, I'm just interested in discussing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:54 PM
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what determines those guidelines? For example: "pure rational self-interest" or "the do-no-harm principle"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:52 PM
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I guess, but most people accept that the fundamental principle behind feminism is equality, whereas rad fems are expressly arguing for inequality with women on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:51 PM
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You just linked to an active call for brigading. How do you think mods should react to brigading?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:49 PM
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Thats an obfuscation. You just abstracted to the point that the underlying detail was lost and then generalised based on the abstract. Please answer directly: Do you honestly not see any moral issue with deliberately making an otherwise-innocent person anxious for your own benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:47 PM
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radfems are not feminists. They are radical feminists. Its not a subcategory.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:40 PM
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please keep posting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:38 PM
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Heres a few: Telling a partner in a monogamous relationship that you have cheated on them. Giving money to charity anonymously and in secret. Returning money given to you in error by a colleague or friend. Not having sex with a girl because she is too drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:37 PM
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Nothing in my opinion. Provided you both did just want a ONS and no-strings sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:35 PM
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Rad Fem is to feminism what being a neonazi is to being a conservative. Its not "the same ideology but more so" its completely different. Its not even equivalent to the difference between radical islam and islam - the fundamental tenets of radical feminism are incompatible with the fundamental tenets of feminism and vice versa. Judging feminism by radical feminism is completely unreasonable when mainstream feminism actively disclaims and disagrees with Rad Fem propositions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:33 PM
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Ok, evidence of any kind that you or another TRPer didnt just make that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:31 PM
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congrats
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:30 PM
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So is rational self interest "immorality"? No how does that follow at all from what I said? Rational self interest is presumably the default driver of behaviour in a logical person, absent any other external factors (such as, possibly, morality in our debate). Maybe rather than framing my question in morality I should instead ask: Should one ever act contrary to one's rational self-interest? If it is in my rational self-interest to cause the death of an innocent person, why shouldn't I do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:27 PM
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Maybe I misunderstand the purpose of this sub. Could you explain why a TRPer would benefit from or desire to post here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:24 PM
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You arent using someone if it is an eyes open, rational transaction of exchange. You are exchanging their services for your money. "use" implies no quid pro quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:23 PM
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Dread game. Making an otherwise stable woman anxious about your fidelity/interest in order to make her make more effort to satisfy your needs. Lets say the woman hasnt done anything negative to you other than being roughly as indifferent to your attention as you are to hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:22 PM
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Ok, but isnt this thread of comments about whether it is wrong to attempt to change social attitudes to gender roles? And isnt the basic premise of TRP that gender roles are genetic and therefore shouldnt be objected to? And isnt THAT a naturalistic fallacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:21 PM
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I think that if morality does not require one to act against the other elements of self-interest then morality doesnt exist, only self-interest does. You could call self-interest itself morality but it stretches the common meaning of morality too far for that to be useful. I think its more helpful to say "I live by a code of rational self-interest" than to say "I live by a code of morality, being rational self-interest". I think its more useful to see morality as a reason to do something that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:14 PM
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Hahahaha and vice versa - every time you reply its because my comment got to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:13 PM
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Alan Alpha is perceived as a grounded, progressive and educated man of the world. Sure, Alan Alpha has zero respect for her and regards her as merely a cum dumpster to the masses I dont quite follow this. If you accept that the "false" perception Alpha is giving of by being tolerant of her behaviour is "grounded, progressive and educated", are you saying that true Alphas are none of these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:13 PM
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In /r/relationships, many 1000 word topics are deleted daily simply because the OP left out a tl;dr or didnt include the ages of the subjects in the title. Its not nitpicking, its the rules, and they are applied consistently. Other posters did submit "uneditorialized" versions and were immediately removed for "brigading". At this point, it's pretty clear no version of this study will ever make it to /r/TIL, whatever title is used. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:03 PM
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I dont understand you point - I of course know what rational self-interest is. I am asking whether you believe in any moral code that overrides the other elements of self interest (i.e. self-interest absent that moral code).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 02:00 PM
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Firstly I strongly disagree with Dakru and anyone else who posits that "women like nice guys" is mainstream advice given to most growing up. The trope of "women only like assholes" is so much more widely known. I dont remember ANYONE EVER telling me being nice to women was how to attract them. I remember vividly being told "treat em mean to keep em keen" in the playground long before I even really knew what that meant. Secondly, when Dakru says this: But are all/most of these guys entitled? No w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:56 PM
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It would illuminate a completely different point, and not the one I'm interested in. I want to know if RPers believe in adherence to a moral code that overrides self-interest in some scenarios. It doesnt matter if that moral code is absolute, personal, posited or whatever. The key and only important part is whether it overrides self-interest, and if so, what the criteria are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:53 PM
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Answer my point. Do you honestly think it is not at all morally iffy to instil deliberate anxiety in someone for your own power gain? Doubled down if this is someone you are in a LTR with and profess to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:49 PM
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Everything is social engineering. Sex ed in schools is social engineering. The "5 a day" fruit and veg slogan is social engineering. Acceptance of gay marriage is the result of many many many different acts of social engineering. All activism or "raising awareness" of all kinds is social engineering. Of course its not inherently bad and your ridiculous rhetoric isnt worth addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:48 PM
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The title implied the whole finding was from a report published by them, when it wasnt. It was clear editorialising.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:45 PM
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I think they do but there are very few subreddits where that would be how mods reacted. Deletion is the norm. For example in /r/relationships you could write a perfect 1000 word post but if you leave the ages of the participants out of the title, the whole thing gets deleted even if the ages are in the first sentence. Mods dont have time to fix your fuckups, and doing so encourages people not to bother getting it right themselves. You can resubmit with this corrected, but presumably so could the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:44 PM
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Do you believe deliberately hurting (emotionally or physically) someone is in general (i.e. excluding special cases) morally wrong, even if on aggregate balance you do more good than harm to that person in the long run?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 01:40 PM
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People do a lot of horrible things all the time. Doesn't mean I should.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:44 PM
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Sex and the city as third wave feminism in action? Is this a joke? Feminists HATE sex and the city, it is literally everything that third wave feminists stand against - women as vacuous, sex and shopping obsessed bimbos.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:44 PM
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I guess we are saying we dont value meaningless sex as highly as TRPers do. Or even that we barely value it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:43 PM
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TRP invents a feminist strawman and uses it as justification for outrageous sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:41 PM
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Aren't most TRPers ex-Nice Guys? Arent we basically describing the same person here, just at different points on his development into sexist, shallow egomania?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:41 PM
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As you'll have seen from my other response to you, I dont have a problem with men who want to be dominant. I'll shut them down and laugh at them, but I dont think they are doing anything creepy or morally suspect. I dont consider chooseing to outwardly project a particular characteristic to be manipulation. It isnt. Its the bullshit mindgames (dreadgame, negging, reminding girls of your many other female options) that I consider manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:40 PM
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It needs to be taken one step further. The Nice Guy beleives women are morally obliged to react "fairly" to his romantic propositions, aka be attracted to him because he is nice to them. And that's actually just as misogynistic and objectifying a view as anything TRPers believe. Basically both are unpleasant people you dont want around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:37 PM
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What about in a subreddit set up specifically for that purpose by RPrs?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:35 PM
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Hahaha what is the subreddit if not a direct refutation of your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:35 PM
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Nice Guys, but only because its easier to keep TRPers out of your circle of friends, business, etc. Also if they aren't bitter I dont mind them, only pity them. I don't allow either to infiltrate my friendship group or workplace if I can avoid it, which I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:32 PM
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No, I dont have an objection to "overt domaninance", I am talking about things like "Dread game" and more covert deliberate manipulation that creates a non-obvious outcome. I dont expect you to agree with me, because according to TRP logic as I understand it, being controlling isnt a bad thing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:28 PM
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No, its not covert so it isnt manipulation. No-one mistakes an naturally attractive girl with heavy makeup for a naturally attractive girl with no makeup. The makeup itself makes her more attractive but it doesnt trick people into thinking she isnt wearing makeup. See also: being well dressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:16 PM
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It makes them emphasised secondary sex characteristics. I dont follow your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 12:15 PM
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