Forgotten_Son Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
79	Excellent BBC documentary dispelling the myth that fathers in the past were abusive tyrants		Forgotten_Son	/r/MensRights	07/10/13 12:07 AM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
61	A random woman is the street asks a random man to stop a fight.. Gets denied Tips fedora	/r/PussyPassDenied	11/07/16 11:09 AM
6	Cenk Uygur Butts Heads With Men's Rights Activist Karen Straughan Historical revisionism isn't a bad thing, in fact it's the foundation of the discipline. If "detail detail detail" contradict previous understanding of a period, event etc, as in this case, then that's just good history.	/r/MensRights	04/02/15 05:43 PM
8	I saw this on the 'banbossy' website. I'd love to see the evidence for that. I came here to post this. It's really depressing that a "study" debunked back in 1994 is still being trotted out as fact. It's like they're actively trying to prove Sommers thesis.	/r/MensRights	16/03/14 04:18 AM
1	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members I really don't have the energy to read garish suggestions of sexual violence in immature chatter. Jesus Christ, I've been threatened with death in person and have raised less of a stink about it than this. "Oh no! I saw a private conversation in which a bunch of frat boys joked that they wanted to fuck me. Help!" Even if they did say they wanted to rape her this would be worth no more attention than a 13 year old X-Box player telling his opponents to suck his dick.	/r/MensRights	04/03/14 12:20 AM
1	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members You're reading a lot into a few sentences that basically amount to "I dislike her and want to have sex with her". Even of all these elements were spelled out in their conversation, they still aren't synonyms for holding someone down and fucking them against their will.	/r/MensRights	04/03/14 12:05 AM
1	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members You have yet to demonstrate that they were discussing rape. Are you even familiar with the term "hate fuck"? What have I missed here, because if your only reason for thinking they were talking about rape is the fact that she was a political opponent and someone used the word "punish" then you have a staggeringly unnuanced view of human relationships.	/r/MensRights	03/03/14 11:53 PM
-1	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members If it was indeed a private conversation then it's entirely reasonable to expect it to remain so. I know I wouldn't be at all comfortable for my private correspondence being made available to the public.	/r/MensRights	03/03/14 11:34 PM
1	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members Human sexuality is really quite diverse, including consentual acts far more extreme than "punishing someone with their shaft". Following your logic, discussing any sexual fantasy that's even the slightest bit rough or that has a dominant/submissive dynamic is discussing rape. This is a ridiculously prudish stance to take.	/r/MensRights	03/03/14 11:30 PM
3	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members Is it grossly offensive? Yes it is. It's not the way people should talk about anyone, and if a group of women were referring to man like that we'd be the first to call them out. Maybe if they were sending her these messages unsolicited. They weren't though, so I really don't see a problem with a group of friends, male or female, chatting about how they really want to have sex with someone. The only complaint I'd raise would be when such conversations between men are condemned as rapey and misogy…	/r/MensRights	03/03/14 03:04 PM
5	This is apparently what constitutes a "rape threat" these days, a private tongue-in-cheek conversation between student union board members It could make all the difference. I'm not a native French speaker, but I see that phrase as nothing more than your run-of-the-mill idle sexual fantasising, much like someone would say "I would do wicked things to [insert name]". Only the most over-sensitive person in the world would construe that as rape, let alone a genuine threat of rape.	/r/MensRights	03/03/14 03:00 PM
2	Feminist Forces /r/science to Change Its Banner From One With Fair Distribution of Sexes to One Of All Women Because you can't control for the myriad variables, therefore taking a scientific approach is pointless. Hell studying human society whatsoever is completely pointless until such time as it can be crammed into a test tube in a sterile lab /s	/r/MensRights	03/11/13 05:32 AM
1	10 reasons German Socialist wants Europe to ban male circumcision…. The parties I chiefly had in mind when I entered this discussion was thinking of the UK Labour Party, the SDAP, which absolutely did identify as Marxist. The evolution of these political groups is quite messy, and I was doubtlessly oversimplifying things. However, for all intents and purposes, modern Social Democracy remains distinct from Democratic Socialism, be it Marxist or otherwise. To refer to Social Democracy as "socialist" is undermine the fundamental meaning of the latter term, which is…	/r/MensRights	02/11/13 04:55 AM
1	10 reasons German Socialist wants Europe to ban male circumcision…. Of course one doesn't have to be a Marxist to be a socialist, I didn't mean to imply that was the case. What I was arguing was that, while these parties started off socialist (traditional Marxist to be specific) they have since dropped the Marxism and with it their socialism. Some members of Social Democratic parties might still consider themselves socialist, but really they're just pushing for a stronger welfare state than an economy based on worker ownership of the means of production.	/r/MensRights	02/11/13 04:11 AM
1	10 reasons German Socialist wants Europe to ban male circumcision…. Social Democratic parties started out as Marxists who believed a communist society would be ushered in through filling the seats of European parliaments. In the last 150 years or so, they have dropped the Marxism, instead preferring a "mixed" economy. I.e. a capitalist economy with a strong social safety net. EDIT: Removed the quote that decided to appear when I posted from my phone.	/r/MensRights	02/11/13 03:09 AM
1	You know how the leftoids love to say that privilege is invisible to those who have it? OK, so we're pretty much done here. You've now reduced distinct political ideologies to synonyms of governance, rendering any use of such terms redundant.	/r/MensRights	29/10/13 12:35 AM
1	You know how the leftoids love to say that privilege is invisible to those who have it? The Nazi Party started with a nominally socialist wing designed to draw support from a population that was largely in favour of Socialism. In the early days the SA even took the side of labour during strikes and disputes, though they also used violence and intimidation against left wing parties. This wing was thoroughly purged during the Night of the Long Knives however. You are correct that Fascism is the marriage of Government and Corportate interests. This is what makes it right wing in my vi…	/r/MensRights	27/10/13 12:13 AM
1	You know how the leftoids love to say that privilege is invisible to those who have it? You're moving the goal posts here. If you're only going to consider popular conceptions of what is left and right, then I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept that both political wings have people who are A-OK with statism so long as its power is used to push for things they want. People on the left want a welfare state, people on the right want a strong military. Furthermore, most people consider Nazism as the extreme right, so you're assertion that the Nazis were left wing is also wron…	/r/MensRights	25/10/13 11:12 PM
1	You know how the leftoids love to say that privilege is invisible to those who have it? Council Communism, Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Synidcalism, Mutualism, Collectivism, Individualist Anarchism etc are all anti-statist philosophies. They are all also left wing philosophies. In fact, prior to the rise of Lenin - who incidentally used a lot of Anarchist and Council Communist rhetoric to gain popular support e.g. "all power to the soviets" - Bolshevism was considered to be on the right wing of the radical left. It wasn't a mistake when Lenin referred to Council Communists like Rosa …	/r/MensRights	25/10/13 10:28 PM
4	You know how the leftoids love to say that privilege is invisible to those who have it? Not this politically illiterate nonsense again. Statist isn't a synonym for left wing.	/r/MensRights	23/10/13 11:56 PM
14	"Take the Unearned Male Privilege Quiz" As a South African I have to say that this crap is relatively new to my homeland... I can be pretty sure that when I walk down the street, nobody will yell at me about my body or tell me what they want to do to me sexually. No, I've experienced this before. I also note that it limits verbal harassment to sexual comments, as though other, perhaps more threatening taunts and jeers are somehow less of an issue. I've had strangers threaten me with death while I was going about my normal business, so the idea that comments about attractiveness are somehow the be all and end all of s…	/r/MensRights	14/10/13 10:35 AM
9	Any news from Toronto? Says the guy whining like a spoilt child.	/r/MensRights	29/09/13 01:46 AM
14	IAmA: Policy Debate coach in East Texas who wants to write a debate case on Male Disposibility Nonsense. Debates, while often fun, seldom hinge on fact but on who can make their arguments appeal to the most people.	/r/MensRights	04/09/13 10:34 AM
0	Blurred Lines Feminist Parody Vomit Inducing! That's the only thing I found vaguely amusing about this "parody", and it's clear that it was entirely unintentional. If one watches videos by any number of female pop acts, scantily dressed men appear frequently. The video for "Blurred Lines", by comparison, is quite tongue in cheek.	/r/MensRights	02/09/13 12:43 PM
3	Media devalues men's lives in recent frontpage post: "The mass killing of the villagers -- mostly women and children -- is the worst case..." the media has a textbook feminist agenda which, as we know, includes the painting of women as victims and the avoidance of ever painting men as victims. No. People have always been concerned over the deaths of women and children more than men, media coverage reflects that. That feminism uses this old, paternalist norm does not mean it's the cause.	/r/MensRights	25/08/13 04:03 AM
2	"Feminists" want to ban Page 3 breasts? Viewing breasts so good for men's health, the models should be volunteering - in a celebration of nudity (not prostitution) One has to wonder about their priorities if they think a model with her tits out on page 3 is the most objectionable, campaign-worthy aspect of The Sun. Never mind the rampant xenophobia, there are women being paid to pose topless, something must be done! Prudish imbeciles.	/r/MensRights	18/08/13 02:21 AM
2	Remember the "Tropes vs. Women" videos? Well here's a parody that had me laughing. Tropes vs. Men. Worth a Watch for the sillyness alone. Essays rather than video, but The Males of Games does a pretty good job on this front.	/r/MensRights	17/08/13 07:52 PM
3	Rachel Marsden dismantles two bitter feminists. One Woman + Logic vs. Two Women - Logic = Win for Woman + Logic There was an almost complete lack of logic in both sides of this debate. From the way OP described it, I was expecting Marsden to take each of her opponents vacuous arguments head on, rather than relying on anecdotal evidence as a counter. A real shame given the easily refutable nonsense Horwath was spouting.	/r/MensRights	06/08/13 10:28 PM
3	Sexually explicit novel about female sex offender divides critics Yeah, I totally get that. Jezebel would never publish an interview without some lip service to their brand of feminism. Nevertheless I do worry that some of the positives resulting from this book will be mitigated as a result of this viewpoint.	/r/MensRights	03/08/13 04:44 PM
9	Sexually explicit novel about female sex offender divides critics “There’s a sense of, ‘adult men would want to have sex with this woman, so she’s incapable of committing a sexual crime.’ This perpetuates the harmful patriarchal stereotype that female sexuality can’t be violent—that it’s simply there for male use with no agency of its own, that it doesn’t hold power,” she told Jezebel Odd then that so many feminists, denizens of Jezebel included, that downplay female sex offenders. It's almost as if they're supportive of "patriarchy" when it suits their needs.…	/r/MensRights	03/08/13 04:24 PM
4	Damsel in Distress: Part 3 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games The problem here isn't that she used other people's clips - I'm fairly sure that would be considered fair use - but that she didn't credit the Youtubers that provided that content and, more importantly, that she requested thousands of dollars to do so: "Creating these videos take a lot of time and money to produce. I will be researching and playing hundreds of titles from across the gaming industry (including some truly awful games that I wouldn’t wish upon anyone!). Your support will go towards…	/r/MensRights	02/08/13 01:32 PM
1	Male rights activist jumps off bridge committing suicide-Media filmed him, did not help. I don't know why you were downvoted, because this is absolutely true.	/r/MensRights	28/07/13 10:59 PM
2	Welp, time to stop visiting IGN I re-read her post, and maybe I was being a little harsh. However the sentence, "As I said it seems to underlyingly govern a near totality of the activist / critical social movements in the western world (see Tumblr activism), not realising that the metaphysics of this are generally responsible for the poor current state of the social fabric they are combating / trying to raise awareness about" directly after name dropping all the Universities she's been to, and before name dropping a handful of…	/r/MensRights	01/06/13 10:55 PM
8	Welp, time to stop visiting IGN I loathe Anita Sarkeesian, but really that comment was substance-less verbiage.	/r/MensRights	01/06/13 01:17 AM
30	A single hypersensitive person could declare herself sexually harassed because she considers ‘unwelcome’ a classroom lecture on the novel Lolita By who? It's a useful tool, one that's subject to revision. A lot of the complaints I hear about the "soft sciences" are problems intrinsic to studying human behaviour (the sheer number of variables). No shit it's easier to apply the scientific method to phsyics, chemistry, biology etc, but that doesn't mean studying human behaviour on the macro and micro scale is a worthless endeavour. To suggest otherwise is damaging, anti-intellectual horse shit.	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 05:19 PM
5	Richard Dawkins calls out Feminist scapegoating white men, and gets monstered by the Online Wimmin Mob. ~storify I think it's a little harsh to refer to academics who have genuine fear for their reputations and livelihood as "enablers who cover for radicals". Denouncing someone for not standing up to something is all very easy when you're not confronted with the same pressures.	/r/MensRights	24/05/13 11:49 PM
4	Woman who tortured her son to death freed from mental hospital after 3 years Where is the evidence that her release is motivated by her gender. Could it not be that she was suffering from paranoid delusions and that with proper treatment she's been rehabilitated? The information provided here is scant at best.	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 02:22 PM
7	Arizona State law professor says feminists violated free speech rights when they tore down A Voice For Men signs Wilfully ignorant they may be, but I believe this stems from emotion rather than a calculated manipulation. They genuinely believe the shit they say and ignore anything that doesn't fit with their warped world view.	/r/MensRights	12/03/13 01:05 AM
1	For the International Women's Day: The Suffragettes: One person, one vote. Lets keep it that way. I certainly don't. I'm a mutualist myself, which is a different form of socialism - though Marx did crib a fair amount of his economic analysis from Proudhon's What is Property? I'm criticising you for deflecting criticism of socialism by switching terms, rather than rebutting the thrust of the argument. The Labour parties of most Western countries were historically Marxist, so you claiming otherwise is appeasement of someone ignorant of socialism, or ignorance of socialism on your own part.	/r/MensRights	10/03/13 07:05 AM
1	For the International Women's Day: The Suffragettes: One person, one vote. Lets keep it that way. What ideology do you think caused some Socialist ideals to be adopted by Western states? Spoilers: it was Marxism. This binary, Cold War-throwback thinking really doesn't help anyone.	/r/MensRights	10/03/13 04:37 AM
6	Arkansas Boy tasered, beaten up and arrested for walking with his mother "As it is, there simply isn't enough information given about the incident to make an objective judgement about what happened." Yet peculiarly that didn't stop you from telling us all what "likely" happened.	/r/MensRights	06/03/13 01:20 AM
0	Jezebel: Fuck You Men's Rights Activists. Calling someone a rude name, even a supposedly* gendered slur, is not automatically misogyny so I'm not sure how useful control-find is in revealing actual examples. *I use both words semi-frequently against all sorts of people/animals/inanimate objects.	/r/MensRights	14/12/12 11:36 AM
8	Ahhh women...... Dividing by two really isn't that taxing.	/r/MensRights	10/12/12 12:16 PM
2	In what society is this an appropriate joke, to the point where grandma would forward it to you? He was blow drying his genitals. The "breakfast" he was heating was his penis. It would have been a decent joke if it hadn't been attached to this unpleasant image. Not that I'm averse to dark humour, but the two don't gel at all.	/r/MensRights	22/10/12 02:38 PM
3	Prostitute proves provocation and is only convicted of manslaughter after murdering a client. what was accepted as provocation is ridiculous. An analysis by a Deakin University criminologist, Kate Fitz-Gibbon, shows that only three of the 18 defendants who have successfully used the defence since 2005 were women. Sure thats why this law is stupid. Because nasty men use it as a defence more than poor victimised women /s	/r/MensRights	19/10/12 01:52 PM
1	I got banned from SRSGaming for pointing out violence against men is not ok.(someone told a story about a girl at a gaming session hitting a guy and the guy been thrown out of the building by a big black guy) I would wholeheartedly agree if they didn't spread their stupid all over the rest of Reddit. It does apply in this instance though. SRS is, for the most part, made up of trolls and delusional people. I don't know why OP thought he'd be treated any differently from how he was.	/r/MensRights	19/10/12 01:41 PM
1	“bitch is a gendered insult that demeans ALL women” lets just consult the rules of this forum... -atheismplus (feminist/atheist forum) I've yet to hear a better insult than "crotch pheasant" or "cock badger".	/r/MensRights	12/10/12 09:31 PM
0	Middlesbrough man hounded despite being cleared of rape That's not what MechPlasma was saying. Any decent criminal justice system relies on the concepts that the accused is innocent until proven guilty and that for the accused to be convicted of a crime it must be proven beyond reasonable doubt. The fact that this man was acquitted of rape is not sufficient evidence in the eyes of the law that his accuser is guilty of making a false rape accusation.	/r/MensRights	08/10/12 10:34 PM
6	Like femimisim itself the splc has moved from a force for change to something quite ......... wrong Pamela fucking Gellar? Seriously? The woman is one of the most paranoid bigots I've ever seen.	/r/MensRights	30/09/12 09:57 PM
2	Question from a divorced father new to mens rights: where are the non-misogynistic mens rights blogs? Feminist Critics is a particular favourite of mine.	/r/MensRights	05/09/12 09:43 PM
8	Mother sets fire to her daughter's gloating rapist. I'm not sure how this should be treated How does that follow? Sympathy doesn't have to be either/or. You can be sympathetic to neither party. Both people seem pretty unpleasant to me based on that article.	/r/MensRights	04/09/12 12:51 AM
19	Obama: Rape is rape. (except when we do it). Rape is Rape ... Except When You're a Female Detainee Or indeed a male detainee. This would have been an excellent article if Waggaman didn't focus on female victims even after mentioning cases where males were the victims.	/r/MensRights	01/09/12 06:51 PM
1	The Irony of White Knights Devaluing feminism. This may seem nitpicky, but to quote Joseph Labadie, "all anarchists are socialists, but not all socialists are anarchists." A better term to use would be authoritarian, depending upon the mechanisms with which she tries to instill her chosen values in other people.	/r/MensRights	31/08/12 12:07 AM
9	Why MRAs Should Be Pro-Choice: If only rape victims are allowed abortions, false accusations will skyrocket. This is immensely dangerous. Automatically charging someone for not giving a strong enough case for a crime that's unique in its difficulty to prove is a recipe for deterring genuine rape victims from seeking justice.	/r/MensRights	28/08/12 10:03 PM
4	Yet another male feminist attempts, and fails, to appease Radfems by degrading himself and his fellow men. I have a strong mental image of this article's author dressed in a hair shirt, whipping himself with a flail.	/r/MensRights	23/08/12 01:18 AM
4	"Pedophile Policies on Airplanes May Insult Men, But So What" This is why MRA's are needed. As a concerned non-parent, I think a safer policy would be to keep all children locked up in cages in the baggage compartment. As any man on the plane is a likely child molester, one can't be too careful. Better throw a couple of lions or tigers in there too, just in case those dirty male baggage handlers try anything.	/r/MensRights	14/08/12 11:38 PM
5	Female with a question about alliance-building around gender equality I can't up-vote you enough.	/r/MensRights	01/08/12 10:58 PM
5	Circumcision for non-medical reasons is wrong. Male Genital Mutilation should require consent. That's leaving a lot to genetic chance. Why limit yourself to tissue that's probably not going to be present on your offspring? Earlobes are pretty useless, so they're a prime candidate to surgically remove if you're not satisfied with removing penile tissue. You shouldn't limit yourself man. When it comes to mutilating babies there are plenty of other options most people completely miss.	/r/MensRights	27/07/12 03:25 AM
14	Circumcision for non-medical reasons is wrong. Male Genital Mutilation should require consent. Are you gonna snip any other bits off your children, or are you going to limit the butchery to sex organs?	/r/MensRights	27/07/12 02:46 AM
3	Feminist: Don't let men who sacrifice their lives fool you into thinking there's anything good about masculinity. I partially agree with this article. Particularly this paragraph: I’ve been thinking a lot in recent days, too, about Jamie Rohrs, who left his child and girlfriend behind in the theater, got into his car, and drove away. He’s been getting a lot of flack for not behaving in the most noble of ways. Who knows how any of us would have reacted in that scenario? I would like to think that I would not have behaved as he did. And yet I feel bad for him too — he did, in my opinion, the wrong thing by le…	/r/MensRights	26/07/12 04:57 AM
1	Even among my friends.... (I unfriended her) ((I'm the one not painted over)) [facebook screen] Silly socialists and their sense of entitlement to the fruits of their labour.	/r/MensRights	22/07/12 06:08 PM
9	Code Contains Phrase 'Big Boobs.' Opinions? You just don't understand man, "It's sexist in EFFECT". Apparently women are so weak-willed that seeing the words "big boobs" transliterated into a line of code prevents them from pursuing a career in software development. What a silly, storm-in-a-teacup article.	/r/MensRights	21/07/12 02:18 AM
5	"Court decision outlawing religious circumcision is worst attack on Jewish life since the Holocaust" (European conference of rabbis & its president Pinchas Goldschmidt). It is a sign that Jews have to leave Germany. German court had valued child's right to self determination above religious freedom From the WHO website "Female genital mutilation (FGM) includes procedures that intentionally alter or cause injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons. The procedure has no health benefits for girls and women." And just down the page: "Other: all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g. pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area."	/r/MensRights	16/07/12 03:29 AM
2	"Court decision outlawing religious circumcision is worst attack on Jewish life since the Holocaust" (European conference of rabbis & its president Pinchas Goldschmidt). It is a sign that Jews have to leave Germany. German court had valued child's right to self determination above religious freedom So your objection is semantic, not that the statement is hyperbole - which it isn't.	/r/MensRights	16/07/12 03:24 AM
27	Tumblr Feminism Some were, some weren't. Just as some men were happy working themselves to death to support their family and some reluctantly complied. Differences of outlook and experience like this are exactly why the idea of sexism = prejudice + power is so wrong. It assumes that all men had power over all women as groups because a small minority of men had political control. This ignores the complex class structures of past societies - the lady of a wealthy, landowning family unquestionably had more power t…	/r/MensRights	09/07/12 01:52 AM
1	Smirking thug with 51 convictions walks free despite attacking two men with a champagne bottle… after judge says she’s a ‘caring mother’ Precisely. Given than "more than 70% of the prison population has two or more mental health disorders" including a number of non-violent offenders it's not as though poor mental health is much of a barrier to custodial sentences anyway. I don't necessarily disagree with judges handing out non-custodial sentences when taking into consideration the impact custodial sentences would have on the children of the convicted. However the same allowances need to be made for fathers as are made for mothers…	/r/MensRights	09/07/12 01:30 AM
1	Dear Feminism: Stop Fucking Shit Up \| Frivology Feminism isn't necessarily an anti-statist ideology, so the actions of the Suffragettes should probably be considered in similar terms to other non-violent resistance like the Civil Rights Movement in the US and Gandhi's civil disobedience in British-ruled India. The word "fighting" in the context of political activism does not always been literally attacking people. Interestingly Anarchist women did fight during the Spanish Civil War, though I'm not sure whether they'd have self-identified as f…	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 02:27 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Assuming that Goldberg's contentions are true and feminism, nay all progressives, are significantly related to fascists and thus Nazis - despite his apparent distinction between Nazism and fascism generally. So what? Most political ideologies are rooted in other systems and share some common ideas. This does not give the comparisons any real merit beyond an academic discussion. You could make an even more valid claim that Social Democracy and Stalinism are related, given that both are influenced…	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 01:59 AM
1	Dear Feminism: Stop Fucking Shit Up \| Frivology What she's describing is a trend that runs deep through modern feminism. It's a bit difficult to claim "not all feminists are like that" without relying on some extreme outliers, as pretty much all modern feminist discourse relies heavily on the idea of collective victim-hood and this is clearly evident from even momentary perusal of mainstream feminist sites. As I understand it the claim "not all feminists are like that" comes out most often when they're accused of misandry akin to that of Sola…	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 01:45 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights It's a central tenant of most people that giving birth to a child you can't afford to care for is a bad idea. This has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with economic practicality. So we're done then. You've proved by argument for me. If everyone is a eugenicist, and feminists are like Nazis because both are eugenicists, everyone is like the Nazis. The statement "Feminism is like Nazism" becomes little different to "everyone who owns a pet is like Hitler, because Hitler owned a pe…	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 01:37 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights They support birth control for the reasons they give repeatedly in books, articles, pamphlets, talks etc. They support state provision of birth control, particularly for the poor because they don't have equal access due to having less money. You're even arguing against the information provided by your own link in support of the existence of second wave eugenics.	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 01:30 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights We're talking about individual people. "I can't afford to have a child so I will use birth control" is not a eugenic statement. If it is then pretty much everyone is a eugenicist and your shady conspiracy encompasses almost everyone. Lectures against teen pregnancy? Eugenics. Handing out free condoms to parts of Africa with high AIDS rates? Eugenics. Provision of abortions for any reason? Eugenics. This raises an obvious question. If, as you define the term, most people are active or ignorant su…	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 01:20 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights It's not irrelevant what "follower feminists" are arguing for, as they're feminists themselves. If your comparison of feminism to Nazism relies on excluding the vast majority of feminists it's even more unsound. Birth control is "couched in and marketed as sexual liberation, rights and health services" because that's what most of the people arguing in favour of birth control want. "A function of eugenics is negating economic difficulties and ensuring that as many children are possible are born i…	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 01:10 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Economic and personal reasons for abortion are not eugenics. "I'm too poor, this child is unplanned I'm getting an abortion" is not eugenics unless the person getting the abortion thinks they have a poverty gene and want to remove it from the gene pool. You're getting closer to the mark with, "My doctor screened for defects and found some, now I'm going to abort" but this still doesn't automatically qualify as eugenics. For that to be eugenics the thinking would have to be "my kid has a genetic …	/r/MensRights	07/07/12 12:56 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights No I'm not. I'm recognising that the central idea of eugenics as it is defined, that is "the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics". Whether this takes the form of of forced sterilization or people volunteering to use contraception and have abortions if they conceive it is eugenics. Arguing for contraception and abortions for reasons that aren't the "increase[d] occurrence of desirable heritable characteri…	/r/MensRights	06/07/12 11:52 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights So you ARE ignoring the genetic component of eugenics. Because the reason poor people are provided with birth control is because they're not as likely to be economically able to provide sufficient care for the child and it costs the state less in the long run, not because they think poor people are genetically inferior. EDIT: Furthermore, Feminists advocate for birth control for themselves as much, if not more, than for poor people. Are you suggesting that they believe their own genes are inferi…	/r/MensRights	06/07/12 10:03 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Thanks for the link. I shall check it out when I've finished reading the more recent Song of Ice and Fire novels. EDIT: From reading this Wiki you seem to have committed the same mistake that Goldberg calls out. He seems to be arguing that the American left has roots in the Italian form of fascism, something that he distinguishes from Nazism. This separating Nazism from fascism is actually pretty common amongst scholars, as the former is a pretty unique historical phenomenon.	/r/MensRights	06/07/12 09:25 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you seemed to be suggesting that because people in the past favoured birth control for eugenic ends - that is removing perceived faulty genes from the gene pool - that somehow this means that other uses of birth control for non-genetic, social advances also constitute eugenics. Eugenics was near universally abandoned however, so even though certain organisations provided birth control for eugenic reasons in the past it doesn't hold that that's their reason…	/r/MensRights	06/07/12 09:25 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Accusing you of quote mining was a little harsh, I apologise. However if I say Feminism is progressive and Nazism is regressive, to ignore the latter in your quoting of me is poor form, even if you disagree. I'll say again, Nazism was revolutionary/reactionary not progressive. They sought a radical shake up of society, restructuring things based on an idealised view of an "Aryan" past. This is quite different from progressivism, which seeks to progress society through gradual reform. You continu…	/r/MensRights	06/07/12 03:25 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights OK, now I am getting a little annoyed. You have flatly refused to engage with me on anything substantial, instead preferring me to follow a unspecified trail even after I addressed the information you provided to back up your assertion,. If feminism is this Nazi-like scourge of mankind you think it is, one would think that it would be important to you to point out the danger to someone who didn't see it. But no, apparently it's not worth your effort to actually provide evidence for your claims w…	/r/MensRights	06/07/12 12:12 AM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Eugenics is all about genetics. Feminism views abortion rights as important because they want to be able to choose when or when not to give birth. Deciding not to have a child because you don't have the resources to care for it effectively, or simply because you don't want a child at that point in time, is greatly different from saying poor people shouldn't give birth because doing so would negatively impact the gene pool. Your next two paragraphs don't imply that feminists support eugenics in t…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 11:49 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights How is reading arguments and listing reasons for disagreeing with them dismissing them out of hand? If I am guilty of dismissing the comparisons between feminism and Nazism out of hand, how are you not dismissing the comparisons between the Republican Party and the Nazi Party out of hand? It's not that such comparisons sound outlandish, it's that they are outlandish. You can see this in my Republicans are like Nazis analogy, but not when it comes to feminism. I find this odd given the reasons yo…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 11:08 PM
1	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights You haven't demonstrated that eugenics is an important aspect of feminism. Tacking the word "social" onto the front of eugenics doesn't instantly change the terms meaning to include anything involving social or behavioral change. Do a majority, or even a significant minority, advocate for improving society by eliminating "undesirable" genes within the population? No. Ergo feminists do not support eugenics programs. The notion that the Nazis were on the whole progressive is contradicted in large …	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 11:03 PM
0	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights So your argument for feminists supporting eugenics and being like Nazis basically amounts to "because they do/are"?	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 02:02 PM
0	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights I still haven't seen credible information that feminists widely support anything like eugenics. You might as well tell me that Republicans don't wear Swastika arm-bands like Feminists. There's a strong difference between feminists notions of patriarchy and the Nazi claims about "International Jewry". The former is deeply flawed mode of institutional and social analysis, the latter claims an actual conspiracy. Many Republicans feel that they're the victims of the gay agenda, some to the extent th…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 01:07 PM
2	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights But your argumentational form does render your argument invalid. If we applied to other groups pretty much everyone would be like a Nazi, so the comparison is utterly useless. Are Republicans like Nazis? Are Democrats like Nazis? I've seen arguments advanced for both propositions that are really quite similar to yours. If true that would make a staggering chunk of America like Nazis. While coming with the counter-examples I posted earlier I found many shitty articles claiming Muslims are like Na…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 04:08 AM
3	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights Who are you "guys"? I'm not making any demands for a dissertation on your part, just pointing out why what you linked to doesn't support the idea that a comparison between Nazism and Feminism is useful or justified. It's just a brief, selective history of euthanasia and German women in the Nazi party and Nazi society, followed by a vague, Beckian exhortation to join the dots. The comments underneath are equally confusing, talking about feminist belief in eugenics something I've haven't seen from…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 03:42 AM
2	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make in your first paragraph. Care to elucidate? As for Kosovo, we're veering massively off-topic here, but from what I can gather from you're post your understanding of the conflict is quite flawed, perhaps you're confusing it with earlier Yugoslav wars. People didn't refuse to believe "it could happen", they were all too eager to believe it could happen as they spoke and wrote about it in detail despite it NOT happening. The mainstream media were…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 03:13 AM
2	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights I'd already read that article and drawn my own conclusions that haven't changed upon re-reading it. Those conclusions are that people really shouldn't be so quick to make Nazi comparisons. "What i will do, however, is say with unmitigated conviction that this sort of thing most definitely CAN happen again…and now, and here. It happened again in Europe barely 50 years after WW2 in Bosnia (see Adam Jones’ “Effacing the Male”)" I found this passage particularly ironic, given that it was Nazi compar…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 02:03 AM
3	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights What part of my previous responses to you show that I'm not understanding your arguments. You claim that feminism can be compared to Nazism and list five points in support of that claim. I point out that those points can be applied to another political group, demonstrating that these similarities are not a good reason for Nazi comparisons. I am literally making the comparison between feminists and republicans using your examples for why the former should be compared to Nazis. I wasn't playing ma…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 01:47 AM
5	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights You can pretty much substitute "feminists" and "men" with any perceived oppressor and victim. "I'm saying Republicans are like nazis because: They scapegoat an 'other'(homosexuals) as responsible for 'oppression' they can't show, but KNOW exists. They utilize phrases like 'for the good of the children' to cover highly prejudicial, and lopsided legislation and policy. They have engaged in a 50 year long anti-homosexual propaganda campaign, and have hidden or ignored realities that don't mesh with…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 12:53 AM
5	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights It was you and klonozopanour that originally made the assertions without evidence, not I. Nevertheless, in the spirit of advancing the discussion beyond "It is" vs "no it isn't", I shall explain why I disagree with Nazi comparisons in almost all instances. Pretty much anything can be compared to Nazism. However, as an ideology that has so many extremely negative connotations, the vast majority of comparisons are useless to anyone but the most shallow propagandist. If feminists had started intern…	/r/MensRights	05/07/12 12:22 AM
2	Most people have the impression that Mens Rights equals Anti Womens Rights It's not apt at all, it's extreme hyperbole.	/r/MensRights	04/07/12 10:18 PM