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That sounds lovely! I can't understand how people can see that scenario as just being friends. Sex doesn't equal relationship either, plenty of people just do it casually too. In my opinion what really makes a relationship is the kind of stuff you mentioned. It's the type of connection you have together that matters the most. That's how relationships can last until old age, despite health issues and tough times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 01:03 AM

Is sex the only thing that you do with a partner that you don't do with friends? Do you go on romantic dates with your friends? Do you kiss your friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:19 AM

People saying that being in a relationship without sex is like just being friends must have some really romantic friendships or unromantic relationships. It's okay to say that you want a relationship that includes sex but there's no need to shit on relationships you don't understand or want yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:15 AM

When have I been discouraging anyone? I literally said I want women to be able to choose what they want in life. If that includes having kids, that's not my business. You overestimate my influence. Even if I was discouraging other women from having children, so what? If they follow that advice it means that they didn't really want children in the first place. People who truly want children will have them regardless if they think it's difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:01 PM
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That sounds so healthy and mutual, it made me happy to read your comment! Yeah that makes sense. Even if a guy seems to like me I can't shake the worry that he only wants my body. My issues with trusting men affect my view of relationships quite a lot unfortunately. I'm going to keep your comment in mind to remind myself that it's possible!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:24 AM
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That's how it should be, so I see where you're coming from! By earning it I mean earning my trust and attraction. If that's not earned, it feels invasive if a man wants to have sex with me. If he's making assumptions that I may be willing to be that vulnerable with him without any indication from me, it feels like he wants to use me instead of it being a mutual thing :/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:33 AM
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I should have been clearer, it's repulsive to me. I can't be 100% certain for everyone else. You're oversimplifying it a bit though because historically lots of women have been having sex due to pressure and expectations. Not saying women can't enjoy sex of course, just that your example conveniently leaves out some details.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 02:28 AM
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You can use words to communicate your differences first. If you don't have chemistry to begin with, it's not gonna magically appear during sex. Anyways, there's no problem as long as you're being honest about it before having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:53 AM
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Yes. That makes the overwhelming desire for sex repulsive. They also know that being honest about just wanting sex would ruin their chances, so they try to hide it until they've gotten what they wanted. The ability to know what he wants, think clearly and not be controlled by lust is required for me to be interested in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:48 AM
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That's an assumption on the man's end unless they have talked about it and are on the same page. The invasiveness is what's most offensive to me. It's not necessarily invasive when trust is built, but that doesn't happen on the first or even the fifth date for many people!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:40 AM
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I don't get surprised anymore but I feel offended because he wants the privilege of doing something vulnerable and intimate with me without having earned it. What makes him think I want to get naked for him? Why does he think I want him to touch me? It feels extremely invasive from someone I'm not in a relationship with. If it's in a relationship it's a different issue because I have a low libido so it's easy to feel like sex is all I'm good for if he wants it all the time and I want to do other…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:45 AM
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No. I've known I didn't want children since I was a child myself. I'm not particularly vocal about it unless the topic comes up, which it unfortunately often does at my age. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything just by existing as the person I am. There's no shame in either wanting or not wanting children and I didn't imply that anywhere, so I'm not sure what you're so pressed about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:04 AM
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Letting someone know that they are free to choose their life instead of following expectations of family, men or the government isn't manipulation though. No one is forcing anyone to be child free, quite the opposite. You seem worried that less women are able to choose what they want in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:00 AM
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You're allowed want children, but there's no reason to push your views on other people. I would be suffering if I were to have children, so it's not the right choice for me. Is it that hard to understand that people want different things in life? Why do you want people to want kids so bad? I don't go around saying to people that their existence is sad because they chose to have children instead of pets even if I feel that way, because it's not my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:54 PM
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Shhh let me dream that there are child free men out there that are responsible and self aware </3 If what you're saying is true, then neither men who want or don't want children aren't for me. I think most women would agree with me that it's better to be single in that case. I still think that having children doesn't mean you're responsible and have good morals. Not having children doesn't mean that you can't be responsible in ways other than parenting. For example: many people also prefer takin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 09:29 PM
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And what if being dead beats being in a relationship with someone like you? You're putting the responsibility of your own mental wellbeing on other people. Living your own life and finding purpose does not mean forcing others to do what you want them to do. Women not wanting to date you isn't cruel, it's the default. You aren't guaranteed a partner in life and if you want one you have to be someone worth their time, that goes for everyone no matter your gender. I think you know this deep down, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:05 PM
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Being single is better than being with someone that despises you. There would be no affection in that "relationship". Why do you want to date so badly that even someone that hates you will do?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:46 PM
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That's horrible. Why would a man want to date a woman that feels forced or manipulated into being with him? Isn't being single better than something fake and cruel? Do you hear how selfish you sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:33 PM
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Are you saying that if too few women will want to date men, men will take it by force and violence so we should do as they say? That's horrible and makes me want to date even less. Why would dating be someone's entire checklist? I don't want to be that...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:10 AM
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:07 AM
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Of course! But it depends on his reasons. Wanting children doesn't mean someone will be good at taking care of them. Being able to admit that having kids is not for them shows that they're self aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:00 AM
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I think it's sad that they feel like they need to date to have a purpose. There's so much more to life. By that I mean that I don't want to date a man that treats dating me as something to check off his list to feel accomplished. It's better to date someone because you really like them and not just to fill a void.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:46 AM
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. Do you think one is better than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:43 AM
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I'm not sure if I understood the question correctly, but I want to live for myself and those I care about, not men in general. It's kind of outrageous to even think about living for another gender's sake... If some people think it's destructive to not want to date, so be it. We only have one life and if someone has better things to do than date it's only fair that they get to spend their lives how they want, don't you think? I don't feel flattered, no. It doesn't make sense to want to be with so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:37 AM
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Hard disagree. As someone that doesn't want children, a man that wants kids is not "high value" to me no matter how many other good qualities he has. He will be more valued by a woman that also wants children. Wanting children doesn't make you a better or more accomplished person at all. The thing is that people who either want kids or are on the fence are more common than people who have made up their mind about never having children, so that makes it harder to find someone like minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:00 PM
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While I don't fully disagree with what you're saying, my ego isn't big enough to think a man is interested in me if he doesn't even try to talk to me. The dilemma is that it's possible that he actually cares, because he's afraid of rejection. I can't know that, but the risk is higher than the possible reward when I'm content being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:39 PM
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You're probably right, but the uncertainty is just so strong. I would feel that way if a man approached me too, but in that case he already put some amount of effort in which makes it very slightly more likely that he could be genuinely interested. Or he's just playing the numbers game because he's desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:53 PM
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It's a genuine fear of mine and that's why I don't approach. If a man is afraid of being taken advantage of and that fear outweighs his wish for a partner it's okay for him to not date too! I'm just saying that in many cases, women don't approach because the fear is stronger than the want. I'm sure men are afraid too but for different reasons. At least you're physically stronger, can't get pregnant and aren't the one being penetrated so sex feels less vulnerable, a lot of men take that for grant…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:31 PM

What you describe as a "high value man" is the kind of man I find the most repulsive and would never think about dating. I think the reason that men have "access" to fewer women is more because women are more likely to be content with being single over just dating whoever. This is just my point of view and I don't speak for every woman, but I believe my mindset is more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:29 AM

Women aren't a resource to be hoarded. They should be able to choose who they want because they're the ones risking getting pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:19 AM

If you're going to use nature related terms like mate and such, can't you also say that this is just natural selection?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:50 AM
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No, people who act out are repulsive to be around. With school shooters there have often been signs beforehand that something wasn't right with them. A guy doesn't just become a school shooter because he's not popular with women even if he lists that as a reason for doing it, it's something wrong deep down that makes people avoid him in the first place. I think it's unfair and even damaging to compare guys who aren't popular with school shooters though. Most guys who aren't popular are just goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:02 AM
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I don't fully disagree, it just depends on a lot. I think a man with many options can be just as if not more mentally unhealthy in a different way. Like commitment issues due to trauma and trying to fill a void with women's attention/sex, needing a lot of validation, lack of discipline. Some people are also better at hiding things, but that doesn't mean that they're not struggling mentally. It just appears that way to people who don't know them very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:38 AM
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Like many of the other commenters here, I don't see the benefit of approaching men. If a woman approaches a man he will think that she's desperate for sex and not just interested in getting to know someone. Also there's a good chance he's not truly interested in her, but he's gonna say yes regardless because he'd rather have a woman he isn't fully interested in to sleep with than be alone. Why would I risk putting myself in that situation when I can be in peace on my own?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:25 AM
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Personally, I think it's better not to be approached at all than to be approached only to realize it meant nothing to the other person. The excitement you felt wasn't based on genuine interest. To them, it was just another Friday night. This part really resonated with me. I agree so much with your post OP, you put it into words very well! Some men on here like to say that being cold approached is a compliment when it's really not. All attention is good to them for some reason. I wish they could …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:20 PM
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Maybe, that depends on the reason. I prefer introverted men because I'm introverted. If you're introverted and don't put yourself out there you will have less options but it doesn't mean that something is wrong that you need treatment for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:11 PM
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That depends on if rolling the dice will affect my mental health over time. Getting involved with the wrong people can wear you down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:30 PM
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Some women have high sex drives, they're the ones having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:33 PM
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That's reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:06 PM
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"American spotted" hahahhaa
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:13 AM
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What do you think about cases where a woman only feels attraction to someone she vibes with? Sure, his looks need to be at least neutral and not a deterrent (unkempt, features remind her of someone else she doesn't see that way, too young or old), but you'd be surprised at how far a good connection will get you. I think that people who settle for someone they aren't content with are just afraid of ending up alone and shouldn't let that affect honest people who want to find their person. It's bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:10 AM
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I'm from scandinavia. Most people of all ages wear shorts during hot weather. Did you forget we exist or did you think that it snows all year here so it doesn't matter? Pfft...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:53 AM
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But how do you know that? Men have sex with women they aren't genuinely physically attracted to, so what's to say women don't feel that way too? Is it because we are generally pickier so the rarity makes it feel more valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:38 AM
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Wrong, but why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:31 AM
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I can see how you've come to this conclusion based on your points. I'm coming from a woman's point of view where sexual attraction means very little to me compared to romantic attraction because men feel sexual attraction so easily. Men on here have even admitted that they would have sex with women they're not even attracted to if they have the lights off. That feels more like an insult than a compliment. If being used and objectified wasn't an option, I'd probably see it as a compliment too! If…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:30 AM
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Well duh, everyone wants to be liked. But isn't it better to be genuinely liked as a whole package and not just for your body? More options doesn't equal good options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:19 AM
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Are these even the same women? It seems strange to me that the same person would have casual sex with several men and avoid having sex with someone they actually like more as a person. That leads me to believe she doesn't actually like the "good" guy. I'm not a casual sex haver, but if I was I would obviously focus on the men that I had a level of chemistry and trust with. But why not just date at that point? Fear of commitment or some sort of mismatch on either side probably. Delaying sex may a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:17 AM
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If a woman says nice things to a man and then goes to be with someone else, she simply likes the other guy more. The nice things she said were probably just to let him down easy. Also if this is on an app, it creates an unhealthy environment where people are chasing someone "perfect" for them while keeping others on the backburner. Like shopping on an app. No one wants to be the second (or third, fourth and so on...) choice. The way I see it is that if someone keeps me as a backup, they don't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:19 AM
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Yeah, it's wild. Some of the things I've read on this subreddit (and other places where you can be more or less anonymous) has honestly confirmed some of my worries and made me more cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:56 AM
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Why do you see being viewed as a good long term partner as worse than just a casual sex partner or one night stand? Is it because you only value sex in a relationship? I'm not trying to be crass, I've just seen this viewpoint before and I can't wrap my head around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:36 AM
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It depends. He will only appear desperate to me if he's a stranger and is approaching with sexual intent. It's possible to misread the situation too, some people just have more open body language and may be interested in talking but not sex etc I may be wrong, but I think OP means that men that try to cast such a wide net make the majority of women more guarded because most women find a stranger approaching for sexual reasons uncomfortable. This hurts men that don't want to cause discomfort's ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:29 AM
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I agree so much. The men that do this don't understand that they're not welcome because of their intentions. I've been disappointed several times by guys turning the conversation sexual when we barely know each other. Why do they do this? Do they just assume everyone is as desperate as they are? If a random man went up to me and just asked for directions I would be delighted! He thought I looked trustworthy enough to ask and didn't disrespect me and my privacy in the process. I would probably th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:12 AM
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When you are a woman that doesn't like desperate men, you will automatically be on guard in situations like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:57 AM
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I've never had any particular thoughts about shorts... they're just normal clothes. Thinking a man is less attractive for wearing normal shorts sounds very strange. Personally I'm not a fan of speedos, they look gross and uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:20 AM
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Technically you're right and I do agree that it has to do with the person's values and trustworthiness and not whether he is bi or straight. There may be some prejudices towards bi and gay men (that they're very promiscuous). But so are straight men, it's just that they're limited by us women being more cautious about sex, especially with people we don't know. I'm speaking very generally of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:23 PM
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I think it's just that many women don't trust that men are able to control their lust around other women, so adding men doubles it. If your partner is trustworthy and loyal, it shouldn't matter. It really depends on the man tbh, if he's lusting after everyone it's slightly more offputting than if he's restricted to one gender. If he's not like that, it's a plus that he cares about the person before the gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:07 PM

I prefer being around people with similar values and priorities. If someone is extremely good at something I'm not really interested in it almost feels like a waste, like of course I'm happy for them but someone else would be able to share that happiness more deeply. Despite this, the most important thing is their soul y'know?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:34 PM

There's a middle ground between a well adjusted person and a predator where I think most men are. Someone posted the pyramid image in the comments here which sums it up well. For example: an otherwise well adjusted guy complains about "blue balls" when his girlfriend isn't in the mood and gets weird and quiet when she says no. Maybe he tries to undress and touch her anyways in the hopes that her mood will change WITHOUT getting permission. Maybe he starts commenting on other women to make her fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:05 PM
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I guess you'll have to look for the exceptions then like the rest of us. It's hard to find someone suitable for everyone because people are so different. I also think that the women that date more casually are the ones more likely to feel that way. Changing partners often to feel less safe which they confuse with a lack of spark. So the ones without this issue are either already in relationships or happy being single because casual dating is too stressful. No one said finding the right partner w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:08 PM
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I don't think it's a good idea to focus on women who struggle with their nervous systems. If they need to feel anxious to feel something, that's not your fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:55 PM
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Did you watch the full reel? This scenario happens because of a nervous system issue confusing anxiety with butterflies (to be fair, it can feel similar...) I hate inconsistent men that make me unsure. What she described sounds like my nightmare because I don't associate anxiousness with "sparks". Sparks to me is when you have a special connection with someone I don't have with anyone else, that can only grow from consistency and safety. What described in the reel may be relatively common for pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:39 PM
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I don't date because I know men lie to get sex. It's too exhausting to be worried about if a guy is lying just to get access to your body. I think it's unfair to say that women reward liars, because how will they know until it's revealed? Someone who acts like a piece of shit from the beginning is insufferable to be around, and someone who seems good can be a liar. Are you saying all women should be distrustful and abstain from dating like me?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:28 PM
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Yes? No one would be attracted to anyone that tells them things they find awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:21 PM
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Not an option, you know what I mean and you're being disgusting on purpose. What makes you special? Why would anyone choose a man like you? You have nothing to offer any woman. If you want to be chosen, act like someone worth choosing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:18 PM
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You're avoiding my point. What if they were twins?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:14 PM
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Hmm... so you prioritize boob size over if you'll get along well? What about if both women had the same breast size? Edit: It also makes sense why she chose the other guy then, because women don't like men that see us as just body parts. It's dehumanizing and objectifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:12 PM
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Let's say you get along well with two women you think are equally nice, pretty and compatible. Aren't you going to choose the one that seems to like being around you more? Personally I don't notice a man that seems uninterested in me. If he's uninterested he's not an option. I can't know if he's uninterested or just shy, and I don't think it's worth it to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:04 PM
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Ahhh makes sense!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:34 PM
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Oops, my bad. Do I delete it? edit: deleted now!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:31 PM
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You put my thoughts into the perfect words! What is there to gain from lying? Would the consent be withdrawn if they included the "informed" part? Too many men treat women like a game, "just do this sequence of events to make the sex event happen. Don't inform her of certain important details because that won't progress the story to the sex part! Click the right dialogue options to get the ending you want!". It's truly dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:21 PM
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Speak for yourself. Saying that "everyone does" something immoral is just to make yourself feel less like an asshole for hurting others. If you have to lie to get consent, they're not consenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:09 PM

Completely agree. I thought this was common sense until reading posts and comments on this subreddit. Lots of men think it's fair to lie and/or pressure to get consent they otherwise wouldn't have. A lot of my past experiences make sense after knowing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:56 PM
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I'm just gonna have to disagree, we are not getting the same out of it. It's delusional to think women in general are using men to scratch an itch like men do to women. The risks of casual sex outweigh the benefits so massively that if a woman can't find a casual partner she trusts/is attracted to/that respects her, she can just get the job done herself without the help of a man. No man is better than an unsuitable man, unlike for men where a unsuitable woman is better than no woman. I'm general…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:32 AM
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Having unwavering self confidence and never expressing insecurity or self doubt feels off and fake to me. I prefer being around people with more depth. Of course, someone who is only expressing negative feelings can get draining to be around often. I agree that it's only natural and even good to second guess yourself sometimes.(Not all the time though!) I know I don't speak for every woman but it doesn't seem right that delusional and unnaturally confident men are more attractive... maybe they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:26 AM
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This is not my experience as a woman, nor my female friends. I don't know what studies you're referring to but I can say with full honesty that it's an unfair generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:13 AM
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For women, casual sex usually comes with more risks than benefits, so we usually have a different mindset about casual sex than men. In that case, a fictional scenario is more appealing than trying to fulfill them in real life. Fiction is usually more abstract and vibes based so it's harder to find a man that can help fulfill that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:27 PM
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I don't think most women would like being around the fictional men they read about in real life. I certainly wouldn't want to be around the guy in 50 Shades. Do men want to date porn stars or are they just there to fulfill a specific fictional scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:56 PM
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The men that get laid the most are the ones that show interest. They also get the most rejections though. I can only speak for myself but I don't think fantasy settings reflect real life desires most of the time. Do you want most of the fictional settings you consume to be real?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:29 PM
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I don't think my views are particularly uncommon! I think everyone can appreciate healthy confidence no matter the gender. I don't see why someone would specifially seek out someone with no confidence and very low self esteem. Either the person seeking that out is cruel and looking for someone to use or they have a "I can fix them" mentality which isn't healthy for either of them. I think that as humans, some people don't feel secure on their own and subconsciously feel attracted to guidance. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:36 PM
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I agree. Humble and empathetic guys are way more pleasant to be around. People who appear too confident seem shallow to me, like they're not being genuine or trying too hard to hide their insecurities. Some confidence in yourself is healthy of course. I have a question though, what types of women reward this kind of behavior and in what ways? Maybe those men are just shooting their shot more often because they're more outgoing and confident, leading women to believe those are the only guys that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:15 PM
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If that information would change the relationship if he knew, he deserves to know so that he can make an informed decision if he wants to be vulnerable and share his body with her or not. If he doesn't care, that's fine too, but people hiding information to get access to other people's bodies scare and disgust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:10 PM
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"Stuff like that" being? Everyone should share details that would make a difference to the relationship if it were known, especially early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:53 PM
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That's why I don't trust men in general. They don't share the parts that matter the most to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:34 PM
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It matters to me and lots of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:47 PM
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I agree with what you have written here. I think it's psychotic to make an effort to have sex with women you think are "uggos" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:18 PM
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You are using someone if you're being deceptive to get something you otherwise wouldn't if you were honest. What you're saying is that even if a man is treating you well, they're not to be trusted if you are someone that's looking for a genuine and mutual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:48 PM
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My impression is that they pick and choose how to feel about the same statement depending on if it's viewed in a bad or good light.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:43 PM
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I can only speak for myself, but I don't think my view is particularly uncommon. Maybe do a poll?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:34 PM
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I respectfully disagree because I think being used for your body is slightly worse than being used for your money. Both are obviously bad though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:33 PM
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In that case the women that demand experience aren't a good match. People who have a similar amount of experience are usually a better match for each other anyways so it's not a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:24 PM
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That's why I think it's important for women to learn about how men think about us and view us so that we can make informed decisions. Some women naively believe that if a man is making an effort to pursue her, he thinks she's attractive. I think that's why many women want men to approach and even pay for dates because it proves he's being genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:00 PM
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If she's fully aware of how she's viewed and that the guy is lowering his standards for her and still gets something positive out of it, sure. I agree with the men that find it detestable though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:32 PM
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I'm just clarifying because you asked. You can agree or disagree with my reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:49 PM
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How do you view the word "uggos"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:43 PM
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No active plans, but I'm not excluding the possibility that I end up in a situation where I meet someone I click with in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:43 PM
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I said: I don't date but if I did I would date with serious intentions. I think it's a misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:28 PM
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Why? It doesn't mean I have never dated someone or that I'm never gonna date for the rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:23 PM
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To me, calling someone only attractive for sex is basically calling them an object. He also called them "uggos" which is obviously not attractive in any way. He's just looking for someone to use so he will gain sexual experience. Is this healthy and harmless behavior to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:22 PM
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I don't date, but if I did I would only date with serious intentions yes. I have mixed feelings about marriage itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:19 PM
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I'm the kind of person that doesn't feel attracted to strangers (I can see if they fit the beauty standards or not but I don't feel anything more). So it's kind of hard for me to imagine just going up to someone not even knowing their name or age. If you ask me, there's no point in going for someone if you don't currently find anything attractive about them. Maybe you just don't know them well enough, or maybe they're just not your type. Maybe time will tell!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:16 PM
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Okay but let's say you meet a woman and you both say you're looking for something serious. If you change your mind you have to tell her, because how will she know that it's only casual to you? I think it's completely reasonable and responsible to be honest. That's the only way you can both know if it's serious or casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:06 PM
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That's possible and wouldn't surprise me. I think people should be upfront about what they're looking for in the beginning (before sex!!!) regardless of what it is. Some young women are still naive and think sex is as meaningful to men as it is to them and haven't had the chance to learn otherwise yet. Be upfront and let them have a chance to leave and there is no issue!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:30 PM
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I think they just think that way because it's validating for them (somehow ...), so obviously it must be validating for women too. It's not validating or a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:26 PM
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Yeah, it's sad to see. I get that impression too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:20 PM
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I didn't imply that. I think I've come across you before on this sub because this is all you comment. I think you'd agree that sending mixed signals to someone to make them stay with you and have sex with you for longer than they otherwise would have is deceptive and self-serving behavior though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:17 PM
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I think the whole "league" thing is dehumanizing and objectifying. I'm not denying beauty standards exist, but beauty is also subjective. Someone who doesn't fit the current beauty standards isn't guaranteed to like another person just because they don't fit them either. It's a very oversimplified way of viewing things. In my opinion, no one should go for people they don't find attractive. That doesn't mean they shouldn't go for someone they personally find attractive that doesn't fit the beauty…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:57 PM
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If the women you speak about were aware of how men like you view them, they wouldn't want to have sex with them. It's not women's job to be used to help men get back into the groove. Sex is not a game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:50 PM
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What's in it for the women you're talking about though? What do they get out of it? Also what do men get out of sleeping with women they're not attracted to? Isn't it humiliating to you that you're actively seeking out women you find unattractive to sleep with because the ones you find attractive don't want you? It's very desperate and unappealing. It's also really childish to call someone "uggos" and it leads me to believe that you're just sexually frustrated and want to ragebait people for att…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:58 PM
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Mmm I don't know why you're speaking about entitlement. The problem here is acting in a way that suggests that they care more than they really do just to not lose access to sex. If you're hiding something that would make the other person end the relationship if they found out, you're being deceptive and cruel. In a perfect world everyone would be honest as early as possible to avoid wasting other people's time just to get what they want. edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:50 AM
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Personally I would feel like a situation like that was a huge waste... Being lied to really ruins the image of that person and all the good memories can turn into bad ones because the person that caused trouble for you is so integrated in those memories. I'm someone that feels a lot of anger towards people who do me dirty when it could have been avoided because I don't trust easily in the first place. Absolutely agree with the rest!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:18 PM
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Exactly. The issue is more that a lot of time was wasted because no one expects commitment to happen immediately so it's reasonable to give someone a chance that acts like they want something long term. Situations like these can be avoided if the guy is upfront about just doing it for sex, but that would filter out a lot of women. Maybe they get a kick out of using women that are looking for something serious instead of going for the women that also just want sex only?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:08 PM
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I don't have any strong feelings about the concept of Vtubing itself, in the beginning I even thought it was kind of neat that they could animate custom characters in real time. My issue is with it is that I find the fans (especially the male fans/"gooners") and the general community the Vtubers encourage repulsive. It almost always turns into encouraging sexualization and objectification of women. I've seen it first hand and it does bleed into real life, how these fans treat and think about wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:06 PM
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You can be biased against women despite being a woman yourself. We're all biased in one way or another depending on what experiences we've had in the past. You have to admit that to yourself before trying to become less biased. There are plenty of women that are biased against their own gender due to their upbringing and/or internalized misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:02 PM
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I guess...? I don't accept white lies in other situations though. I added it because some people see being honest all the time as an excuse to make people uncomfortable. I don't understand why you're getting hung up on that instead of seeing the bigger picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:04 AM
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Read my whole comment please. The context is the most important part!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:27 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:40 PM
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I don't expect anyone to be okay with me lying to them, so why would I be okay with it the other way around? If you have to lie about something in the first place, I wouldn't want to be with you. The only exception would be white lies in situations where telling the truth would be socially unacceptable. Like talking loudly about something private or potentially embarrassing about me in public. Some people who pride themselves in being honest are like that and it's exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:18 PM
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Never do that please. Maybe this is just me, but if you have to convince someone to like you, they're only giving you a chance to shut you up while they think about how to get out of the situation unscathed. Being guilted into something you don't truly want leaves lasting mental damage. All you care about is getting some, not how you get it. I know, I know... "just stand up for yourself and say no clearly". What if it's a friend that's closely integrated in your friend group? What if it's someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:38 AM
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I think it should be allowed to complain about something that's actively affecting you. Sometimes you try to remove yourself from whatever is affecting you, but if it follows you everywhere and forces itself upon you it's fair to complain and talk about it. It sounds like you just want women to shut up and not complain when men's actions affect them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:15 AM
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Too many men think there's some sort of cheat code to be liked by most women, forgetting that we are just as individual as you guys are. A lot of you treat women like you treat video games. "If I just do this sequence of actions, she will be attracted to me!" A woman could honestly tell you her experience and what she likes and dislikes and you would discredit it because it doesn't follow the "rules" you have convinced yourself of. It's like if you say your favorite color is blue and I were to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:41 PM
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Couldn't have said it better myself! This mindset makes me and probably most women even more picky. Imagine choosing someone just because they were the closest available candidate and not because of who you are. It's just as shallow-minded as having standards that are too high and unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 AM

This happened to me too! Like what do you mean "nooo", now you're free to do it whenever with whoever! Don't just complain about me and try to mold me into something I can't be if you don't want me to leave!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:57 AM

Absolutely agree based both on what I've seen irl and read online. I think a lot of men think they're owed a certain amount of sex when in a relationship, otherwise they wouldn't be in one. If it truly was just about the "needs" they could just jerk off, but I think sex is one of the few ways men feel like they're desired. Even if they pressure or manipulate her, because if she let herself get pressured it's surely because she's secretly into him and can't resist and not because of fear/fawn res…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:43 AM
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I've only dated one man and he hid his extreme libido until I let my guard down. Extreme even by reddit standards. I am more regular than you think. Lots of women endure sex they don't want because most men have higher libidos than women on average. The ones with the lower libidos are always seen as more "wrong" or "broken" and it's bordering on misogynistic. Transgender people are a great example of this, testosterone increases libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:30 PM
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I think we're all seen as utilities more than people regardless of gender, just different kinds of utilities. I'd rather be alone than with someone that makes me feel like shit. If we choose ourselves instead of relying on other people that don't care, we will be healthier and happier. We can't make shallow minded people care about how they affect others. It's a mental deficit they have. We can only choose not to engage with them, even if that means being alone. It's frustrating but I can't real…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:59 PM
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Being truly confident means being able to be vulnerable at times. Forcing a fake confidence is not brave at all, you're hiding from your own emotions instead of bravely facing them. Admitting weakness is a strength because you're progressing forward and learning how to handle difficult situations more effectively than someone who represses and hides from their emotions. People who see being vulnerable as bad are not mature enough for serious relationships or even close friendships. Why even take…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:26 PM
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In my personal opinion it's the other way around. The liar is more repulsive, but I wouldn't feel attracted to either of them. A virgin is better than both, a lack of experience can be fixed but in the other cases what's done is done. EDIT to add because you mentioned body count being considered a positive for men: As someone that has only slept with one person and only in a committed relationship, I definitely prefer being with someone in the same boat over someone that has casually slept with …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:03 AM
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People can interpret the same word in many different ways. What I mean by confidence is someone who knows who they are, doesn't blame anyone else for their own shortcomings and can admit when they're not sure about something instead of forcing fake confidence. Basically a mature and honest person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:54 AM
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This is my experience too. What my intuition told me turned out to be real and even though it's not all men, it's enough of them for dating not to be worth the risk for me. It's not even about choosing the wrong men or whatever they say, few people start out that way. It generally gets revealed after you've wasted enough time and energy and leaving is at it's most difficult. Feeling a bit lonely or bored sometimes isn't so bad when thinking about the risks. I don't feel insulted or worried when …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:07 PM
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It's not very helpful to tell women to choose better men. It's not like most abusive people show it in the beginning, they wait for you to let your guard down and let it out little by little. I don't understand how becoming a manipulative boundary breaker is helping you attract women. Those men are the most disgusting of all! I don't see those traits being encouraged by women anywhere, only by other men really. I feel like many men's sex drives control them more than they control it. It's really…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:20 AM
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Your view of the topic is positive and light hearted, I'm envious. I think I feel the way I do because the sexual situations I've been in has been due to pressure and expectations. It makes me more and more averse the more I feel pressured by society and individual men. It's painful and impossible for me to do it the way men want to because of a medical condition and I'm also incredibly self conscious and a huge germaphobe. It feels like I'm suffering and being at my most vulnerable for their sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:50 PM
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I'm speaking from a woman's point of view, and you're speaking from a man's point of view. Of course we're gonna view it differently. It wouldn't be meaningful for a woman to pay someone for sex because the person doesn't like you. As a woman you would be paying to be degraded (some enjoy it as a trauma response, but it's not coming from a healthy mind). It's a paid service to play pretend that you're sexually attractive to someone. At that point I'd rather do it myself. Men, on the other hand, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:48 PM
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Lol, no. Is that the only explanation you can come up with for my views? I'm genuinely asking but it seems like it's embarrassing for people to answer honestly so you just call me socially stupid instead. If the difference between masturbating and an escort/one night stand is connecting with another person you're delusional to think a hookup is more meaningful. It's just an outlet, nothing more. Second part I absolutely agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:24 PM
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I can't feel a sense of wellness from sex because it doesn't feel good to be so vulnerable in front of someone that can overpower me and make me pregnant and say cruel things about my naked body. Maybe if I really trusted and loved someone I'd feel different but it's impossible for me to trust someone that can use my vulnerability against me so easily. It's impossible to get in the mood with these things on your mind. Most men don't feel vulnerable when it comes to sex (unless it comes to penis …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:37 AM
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I see. Thank you for your in-depth explanation. I wonder why there isn't a cure for extremely high sex drives yet, because that sounds debilitating as hell. If it's to the point of interfering with daily activities and causing depression it should be taken more seriously by doctors and scientists. A high sex drive is generally overlooked as just healthy and normal, but how can something be healthy if it causes so much pain? The social and ego benefits are understandable, especially with how virg…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:40 AM
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Dude just call me a slur or broken or a mentally diseased prude at this point...any of the usual stuff will do. All I did was ask and you get all high and mighty and pretend you're somehow above me because I don't know. It comes across as defensive and petty. Is it embarrassing to admit that you're dependent on sex or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:17 AM
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I have, but all I've read is that they get a higher libido and that it can be really annoying. Not that they need to take it out on other people...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:55 AM
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This subreddit is a place to try to convey and understand different views, isn't it? I'm genuinely asking! What do men who really want to have sex get out of it? Not just physically, because that can be solved on your own. There must be something more than just the physical act that makes them feel so intensely about the topic. That's what I hope to understand. People have sex with people they're not attracted to all the time. Men also go to escorts or try to sleep with lots of women they don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:48 AM
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People have sex with people they don't love or find attractive all the time. If it's the act of sex that's so special and not love and attraction, why does a lack of it make people so heated?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:24 AM
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Yes. What's different from masturbating and going to an escort/one night stand? People here talk about sex as if the act is so important and special just by itself, my opinion that it's the bond and love that makes it special is more uncommon. People love hookups and they love sex just by itself and I wish I could understand it. People willingly have sex with people they don't even find attractive too, which is the most baffling part to me. That makes me believe it's not the act itself that is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:22 AM
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That's true. I'm not disputing that at all! I'm just curious about how a lack of sex with another person alone can affect someone so much. I can understand why people who want children would get depressed about not being able to have them, and I can understand feeling lonely. What I don't understand is how a biological urge that doesn't kill if not fulfilled can make someone resentful, frustrated and depressed. The urge can be solved by yourself, so does that mean that sex means something more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:08 PM
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So it's useless for me to even ask? It's possible to understand experiences you haven't had yourself if you're slightly open minded and curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:59 PM
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I feel like I'm the one getting trolled... no one wants to tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:22 PM
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I'm asexual-adjacent, but I'm still human like you. That's why I'm trying to understand though. It's not really helpful to hear that I wouldn't understand anyway when I'm genuinely trying to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:19 PM
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Why does a lack of sex feel like punishment for some people? I'm genuinely trying to see the other perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:34 AM
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I wasn't asking in bad faith, but somehow you got defensive without answering my question...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:32 AM
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I think sex has a different level of importance to different people. I don't understand why a lack of sex could be so debilitating to someone when they can just scratch that itch on their own. What makes someone view sex as something so important that it's placed on the same level as air? I don't think it's realistic for every person in the world to find someone to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:10 AM
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Sex is not a need but a want. No one will die from lust. Sure, men often (but not always) want sex more than women do. It's just a biological urge to have children that doesn't need to be fulfilled every time it happens. I don't know what "needs" women have that men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:58 AM
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Of course it can be important to you, I'm just confused as to why people say it's a need for them like you did initially instead of a strong want. A need like hunger implies something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:32 PM
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I find it repulsive and it makes me lose respect for him. It's such a teenager trait to have. This seems like a joke question because it's so obvious, but I have seen guys do this when women are around to impress them so maybe not. Sometimes it's good that immature and emotionally unintelligent people reveal themselves instead of hiding it though, it makes it easier to filter them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:56 PM
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I have never been able to understand why some people call lust a "need". Lust is not a need the same way hunger is, it's more of a want/an urge. You don't need to have sex to live. You can't die of lust. Besides, you can just go jerk off and the urge is solved for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:45 PM
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Sure, realistic expectations are important, we're all just human after all. A partner should add to your life though, not take away from it. It's important to have some expectations so that the relationship doesn't sour over time due to too many differences. I also think traditional gender roles and expectations are stupid and a hindrance. It's hard to change quickly though, and as social animals most of us are scared to be the one to do something different first. One example is approaching some…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:33 AM

I don't fit in romantically either and it is genuinely tough sometimes! Socializing doesn't have to be sexual or romantic for it to be meaningful though. I have accepted that the chance that I will find a man that is a good fit for me is so low that I'm focusing on my family and friendships when it comes to socializing and support. Sure, sometimes I wish I had that one person to do relationship stuff with, but it's just not in the cards for everyone. Why can't these isolated manosphere followers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:06 PM

I hear you and agree for the most part. Isolated men that already have had bad experiences with women are an easy target. But how could these series of events that led up to this really have been avoided? I don't think women forcing themselves to be with men would have solved anything. A healthier and more fair option would be to help men find their purpose and worth outside of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:06 PM

I'm not denying that there are big issues in society both in the past and today. Gendered expectations are a burden for everyone and will take a long time to change. My point is more that women are already alarmed, concerned and worried. It doesn't make us more likely to want to be in relationships and/or have sex with men. Women not getting more involved with men on a personal level isn't the cause of these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:32 PM

But what is there for women to do? What men wish to do with our bodies have more to do with them than us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:47 PM

I think it's really unreasonable and petty to react with voting against human rights because women don't want to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:51 PM
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It could be either a plus or a minus depending on the reason in my opinion. Genuinely questioning because you don't fit the super masculine standards is totally fine. A plus even. If the reason is because of watching too much porn, anime etc and thinking women have it easier then it's a red flag. It's hard to know which one it is and the latter group probably wouldn't admit to it so I'd be wary. When it comes to dating, I think the risks outweigh the reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:18 AM
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That's true. I can logically understand why someone would want to have sex with someone they have romantic feelings for. There's definitely an overlap. However I do think that some people(mostly men) think sexual and romantic are the same things, and don't really experience the genuine connection and emotion beyond just the physical. They date mainly for easier access to sex. Everything would be better if these people realized more about themselves and were upfront from the beginning so that no …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:36 AM
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I don't know what you think romantic love is, but I think we view it differently. I'm not thinking about buying flowers or doing the classic "gentlemanly" stuff. What I mean by romantic love is genuinely loving the other person and feeling genuinely attracted to them more than anyone else. Sex comes as a consequence of those things for me, not the other way around. As a woman with a very low sex drive, I can still feel romantic love, but sex is a chore when your body doesn't cooperate. People un…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:51 PM
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My point is what they want, their goals, not what they are actually able to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:39 AM
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I don't need someone else to orgasm though? Since you don't understand the point of romantic love as it's own thing, maybe you're aromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:37 AM
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I'm not sure which one of us has the most common experience, but either way you're really lucky to feel that way! The burden of wanting romantic love that isn't dependent on sex is huge. From what I've seen and heard, there's more women than men that feel similarly to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:12 AM
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To be honest it depends on what he's being vulnerable about. Some things you find out make you realize you're not as compatible as you initially thought. The issue isn't that he was vulnerable, it was just that more info meant less connection/attraction. Example: Bf opens up about porn addiction or that he's not over his ex. That will cause loss of attraction (personally). If he opens up about a traumatic life event, I have nothing but respect and it will bring us closer because he trusted me wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:26 AM
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People who understand the struggle won't mind or judge your character. Of course it depends on the person. Some people don't work because they never grew up mentally and would rather sit and play video games and jerk off all day and some can't due to health issues or because it's genuinely hard to find a job. My ex was jealous of my health issues because it meant I could "sit at home and play video games all day". That's the kind of unemployed person that's unlikeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:18 AM
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I think you're both right. In very generalized terms, men desire sex and women desire romantic love. We can't give eachother what the other truly wants in an honest way so there's not much point in relationships unless you're rare outliers. Maybe I'll feel differently someday. I wish I could think like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:33 PM
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I think that's because society is still "in progress" if that makes sense. Some norms are easier to shed and some are more ingrained. A woman could choose to propose to her boyfriend, but that can more easily backfire than the other way around because the man might feel emasculated or pressured. But if both the man and the woman have talked about gender roles in that scenario beforehand and are open minded, it could work. Personally, I would prefer that the man proposes to me because that means …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:42 AM
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In theory there's nothing wrong with it, but it's difficult to do something that contradicts the current gender roles and feel secure about it/like you made the right choice. Even if it's old fashioned, there's still remnants of the old "men pursue women and not the other way around" rule. Because the unwritten rule is that the man proposes, then it needs to be talked about first because it's not the norm. Otherwise the woman would just think "he hasn't proposed, so that means he doesn't want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:49 AM
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Be yourself but within reason. Don't play a role that isn't you just to please others but don't make people uncomfortable on purpose, if you want to keep your friends that is. Being seen as a friend only feels wrong if you were hoping for something else. Having friends isn't a bad thing, you can find what you're looking for elsewhere. Every woman doesn't need to be attracted to you for you to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:12 PM
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Can you really call it a friendship if you don't like when she treats you like a friend? That just makes it seem like you were only friends with her because you wanted her to be attracted to you. Cutting off a whole friendship because she brings up a topic you don't like seems overkill too, unless you were hoping for something more with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:06 PM
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You're right, someone can do all of the things you say and they're still only looking to be friends. It's all about what perspective you're coming from. If you're looking to date you'll subconsciously (or consciously) be looking for signs that she's interested. You just have to accept that you can't know 100% until you've actually talked about the topic together. There's no foolproof way to predict if you will be rejected or not. No one likes being rejected, but it's a part of life when you're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 08:47 PM
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and what if someone's purpose is just to live a happy life with someone they care about? not everyone wants children, no matter what you personally think about it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:24 AM
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yea... maybe that's what needed to happen for progress. but now that you know you can make a better choice!
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 09:11 PM
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people who are miserable want to drag you down with them. life isn't a competition of who has it worse. you did something healthy? good for you! you have every right to feel positive about that
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 09:05 PM
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