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FreitasAlan/r/askTRP27/02/20 09:51 PM
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I wasn’t talking about only existing. That’s impossible. Everyone is just existing. Sex is also VERY different from attention. I’m talking about an ugly guy approaching you and you don’t want it. Not about this guy having non consensual sex after you reject him in the interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:26 PM
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I can try again. Your argument is too good.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:59 PM
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He say “many” women in the title though. “Many” could be 10% or 90% because 10% would almost a billion people. That’s many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:58 PM
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It becomes a material thing. Non consensual physical touch is bad. But non consensual sex is 100x times as bad because sex contains intentionality other kinds of touch don’t. So non consensual sex is not only about the material violation but a violation of the mind because it disrespects the intentionality around sex. If you remove the intentionality yourself, then it becomes as bad as other things but not 100x worse. And since it’s not as bad, you’re creating an incentive to more uninvited inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:56 PM
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In fact, it does. Attention is something you bring to yourself. If you make yourself the center of attention, everyone’s going to look at you by definition. That’s what attention means. If you decide to walk naked on the street that will catch everyone’s attention. Not only from the people you want. You can’t say the logic is unfair because sex is special either, because with your actions you demonstrated you don’t associate special intentionality with sex. Good people attract other people based…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:50 PM
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You caught you guys is one thing. Saying that’s the standard opinion people have is different. It’s not. The standard opinion is pretending you’re someone you’re not is manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:45 PM
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The logic is simple. Any consistent behavior is ok. They just don’t want you to change or pretend to change your behavior for him. Because that’s manipulative. Anything else is a matter of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:44 PM
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You can’t pick up the parts that are contradictory though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:41 PM
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> When they say no makeup/surgery, I feel like they only mean the ones that are cartoonishly obvious, like Kim Kardashian When *people* say no makeup/surgery, they only mean the ones that are cartoonishly obvious, like Kim Kardashian. What makes good surgery good is that there's no way to tell. If there's no way to tell, no one is going to complain. Same for makeup. Many women wear makeup in a way that's easy to tell. It just feels like you're hiding something. Maybe they're doing it for other w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:29 PM
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He probably thinks arranged marriages are people being forced to marry other random people. In fact, it’s more about your family, with more experience and your best interests in mind, helping you to vet candidates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:31 PM
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Or the person trained so much it looks natural. If the guy has a problem socializing, the PUA stuff is probably an improvement over what he had before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:28 PM
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Where did you read that? Why would a coherent tribe allow that? Or after families became the main unit of the tribe, why would a family allow that? The incentive systems would have been broken. History wasn’t like stone cave men cartoons. That’s a caricature for comic purposes only. The cognitive revolution was 50000 years ago and monogamy with families are from 30000 years ago. The tribe would force you to have sex with only one person or you would be bringing problems to others in the tribe. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 06:40 AM
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Females make these choices in all species. Much more so in the human species.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:08 AM
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What does this new anthropology come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:14 AM
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The problem is you never know if waiting is her usual behavior. You can wait for 6 months and take another 6 months to figure it wasn’t her usual behavior. Then it’s a weird situation where you wouldn’t be with that person if you knew the truth but still painful to break up after a long time of accumulated memories. One common solution is filtering anyone who makes you wait more than a week, but then you’d filtering out a lot of good people. Another solution is self improvement, fixing a scarcit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:54 PM
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It's not something you can't do. It's just something that won't make you more attractive. It's something nice to the relationship, it could be useful in a friendship, but it's not something that justifies a _romantic_ relationship when men have their own money. At best, you're mixing the assets and having a huge headache. It's not seen as something that doesn't make you a golddigger either because it's not. You could make $X and still look for someone who makes $2X and propose a bad deal to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 12:42 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 11:12 PM
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Your point being…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 11:10 PM
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The average man is not dating. That’s just the statistic. If most men are not dating, the median men is also not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:53 PM
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You have to date your equal not right now. For now you have to work while she rides de carrousel. You’ll date your equal in ten years and pay with everything you achieved for this privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:52 PM
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To an extent, maybe yes. They’re already doing it by not marrying. But it’s hard because many women won’t marry anyway, if it all changed overnight there aren’t enough good women for all good men anyway, it’s not something we’ll see in our lifetime, and focusing too much on solutions that are not available at an individual level is unhealthy. For now, learning to be OK without a long term partner and optimizing for the rare case where a viable candidate comes along are still better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:48 PM
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Everyone can break free of gender norms at a price. Everyone who thinks they broke free are just being delusional. If you think women are more delusional, just let them. They’ll pay the price anyway in terms of loneliness or by being with a much lower value men than they could. You don’t have to save her. This doesn’t affect men at all. At worst, you would be single. But when your gender norm is to protect, provide and guide, why would you want to do all that for someone who doesn’t deserve it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:30 PM
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The incentives are still there. Men expect gender norms from women and vice versa. And they’re both right. As more and more people are delusional about these norms, and there’s skin in the game they just decide a long term relationship is not worth it, more people are lonely, fertility rates are down, more divorces happen, social security goes bankrupt, and so on. Because culture incentivizes people to be delusional and this delusion doesn’t match the reality of biological incentive systems. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:19 PM
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Not really. Men need to fulfill all of their gender norms. They have to be able to guide (smart), protect (looks + muscle), and provide (status + money). Thinking such a men wouldn’t have more success in dating is delusional. Since men don’t care as much about the same things: smart (midwit is enough), looks (not morbidly obese is enough) and money (not being a gold digger is enough), such a men is just being silly by not expecting has to return the favor by fulfilling her gender norms that woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:15 PM
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Gender norms are not going anywhere. For both men and women. You can change culture to get people angry about it and have very low fertility rates. But the incentives are not going anywhere so the norms are not going anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:04 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 06:18 PM
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The red pill doesn’t say that at all. In fact, the most common criticism of the red pill is the fact they almost claim everything can improve if you just hit the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:37 PM
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If that were true, fertility rates would be high. Whether the person also sick at an individual level is an independent issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:16 PM
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The title says “men”. Not “men who make that distinction”. It’s false.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:12 PM
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The hypocrisy argument is very weak anyway. Especially based on an assumption people said something they haven’t said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:07 AM
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I don’t think this opinion is very common. These posts just get upvoted because they’re controversial. The comments always disagree with these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 04:22 AM
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⬆️ proving the point they simply don’t want to listen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 01:03 AM
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Not how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 01:03 AM
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You don’t have to go through that. That’s a thing for men. I would also be glad if the world was different but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 10:53 PM
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So you don’t agree? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 10:52 PM
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Not true at all. They mock friends all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 10:52 PM
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It’s basically a test. Men are worth nothing if they can’t build stuff. People who get offended easily can’t build stuff and are not worth associating with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 10:51 PM
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Because men assume other men can take it and not be offended. So it’s not treating like shit. Good male friends mock each other but also help each other when they are in need. In the male mindset none of that counts as being treated like shit. In the male worldview, indifference is what’s associated with being treated like shit. Or, for friends, not being there when you need. The mocking is basically a test to see if you’ll be able to count on that person later on. Men who get offended easily ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:53 PM
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That’s true. Men see women as better, if both are providing the same thing. Not as equals. Men and women are not equals. Otherwise none of these discussions would even exist. They’re only equal in terms of dignity. They’re biologically different though. That’s why we have different words for them. I never seen in my life anyone here say they’re just around to trash women so I can’t comment on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:51 PM
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Yes. Men treat other men as equals who can defend themselves. You have to be clear about being a woman if you want to maintain the privilege of not being treated like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:23 PM
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They ask the same question almost everyday, get the same answer, and don’t accept the answer. And it’s such an obvious answer. If you think someone is a good partner long term and you found that person with whom you have a fulfilling life and a family, you obviously won’t throw that away. But they don’t accept the answer because what they want is a rationale for why it’s not worth being a good partner, which is what they want to do anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:01 PM
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Things that are strongly correlated don’t always happen together. That’s irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:09 PM
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People can do both things. It’s useful to understand the situation you’re in before starting to act on it as long as it doesn’t take forever to act on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 08:28 PM
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Yes. It doesn't say what you *have* to do. But people do have common answers when you ask them specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:10 PM
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Yes. I guess anyone of any gender or ideology would possibly leave if there's a "lack of sex or intimacy." That's not very peculiar behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:36 PM
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Fertility is not a myth, and attractive men go for desirable women even if they don't know what "the wall" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:16 PM
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I don't think any ideology would claim you can't cherry-pick some counterexamples. It refutes nothing. I strongly doubt more powerful and wealthy people behave much differently. I've seen that they use this power to get what most people want but can't—for instance, Leonardo DiCaprio. But even if the rich behave differently on an average that only includes them, this is pretty much useless information for someone who's not rich or has different goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:15 PM
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Yes, it's very different. That should apply to men and women as long as the other party is doing their due diligence. What counts is the intentionality behind your actions, not the actions per se. People care about "baggage" because it reveals how the person sees the world, especially regarding everything being transactional. If you haven't processed that "baggage," you still see things this way, making you a worse partner. If you spent this time studying and becoming a better person instead of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:11 PM
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> I see a lot of RP men here say that they are entitled to leave their equivalently aged wives for younger women after the wife loses her beauty/fertility. Never seen that in my life. Every time this comes up, they say they would stick with her because she's been loyal to him, and *others* say they're lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 07:02 PM
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The “hate” 🥱 A previous domestic abuser who’s changed and treats you like a king is better than a nice guy who treats you like you’re average. Duh. So what.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:39 PM
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The hypocrisy thing. You said that if someone slept around in the past, they can’t have different values now and they have to fuck off. That makes no sense to me. People can improve. If a woman did something bad in the past, it makes no sense to tell her she needs to look for someone who did something equally bad so she’s not a hypocrite. That makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:20 PM
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So people can’t change? Like some woman can’t have casual sex, then stop seeing things this way at some point in life, and start seeing things differently? If someone who wouldn’t be with her is now ok with it because she changed how she sees things, what’s the problem? What if some virgin man is ok with it even though he didn’t do it? What if she values the modest men because that’s what she now wishes she had done? Why do we have to keep punishing her? And now that she sees things differently,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:16 PM
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So you’re saying I’m right for as long as I’m not hypocritical. I’ll take that. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:07 PM
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Risk of getting into a romantic relationship based on a thing the other see as material and transactional and passing those values to your children. And all the usual utilitarian disadvantages everyone knows come with that. Your comment about seeing good and bad sex so materialistically proves the point perfectly. As if sex being good is about acrobatics. It’s a transactional hedonistic thing about pleasure. The other is a boring tool for pleasure. Nothing sacred about it. Any other person inves…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:02 PM
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“Secure enough” = makes no risk assessment because they’re desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:53 PM
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There’s no hypocrisy in an agreement between two people. You can either accept what the other party is offering or don’t. If both people offer the same, it’s much worse. It’s not “hypocritical” but now is nonsensical. If women cared more about modesty the way men do, men would start behaving better immediately. And they should care for their own sake. But they just don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:51 PM
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Some people care, some people don’t, and some people are ok being single so it doesn’t matter who cares and who doesn’t. In any case, it does reduce your pool of opportunities because you have whatever you would have minus the people who care.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:49 PM
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Are you going to make a second post with the argument for it, or is that it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:30 PM
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Unless you’re unbelievably stupid and can’t even talk properly, once the other person idealized you, it’s mostly up to the halo effect that comes with more concrete things. The introvert can become “mysterious”. The inconvenient one can become the “life of the party”. The boring one becomes humble. The lack of attention becomes confidence. And so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:41 AM
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To be honest, anyone can cook. I don’t even see that as a traditional female gender role. Cooking is maybe just something nice you do for your partner. And some expectation that emerges when one of the partners stays home because it’s more financially rational. I never met a man who expected that and made that part of their standards. From my experience, no one cares about that unless the partner is too lazy to work and doesn’t even want to help around the house. If both people work, you can jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:30 PM
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Maybe that’s true for some women. In my experience, if a man has his life together, is handsome (mostly correlated to health and muscles to a healthy extent), and is intelligent, he’ll have much more success with any kind of woman. To the point that denying it seems delusional. And these are just the stereotypical male gender roles, which is having the ability to guide (intelligence), provide (having his life together), and protect (handsome + muscles). Maybe you’re lucky and found the one who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:23 PM
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The whole complaint is usually that they don’t contribute with their “gender roles” and still expect the man to pay for things and all other masculine gender norms. You’re just defining things differently. But if you found people who are different, then go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:07 AM
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So no one is a hypocrite and your post makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:05 AM
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The average man does none of those things. And many are not even comparable in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:53 AM
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The median daily match rate balances out after adjusting Duh. So there’s no imbalance after adjusting for the imbalance in the exact proportion. Wow! 😮 Thanks for this valuable information.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:45 PM
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No one deserves anything. You can keep complaining. It solves zero problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 08:19 PM
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An irrelevant “no” to an irrelevant question. An irrelevant question because it screams wife material either way. An irrelevant “no” because no person is only looking for a partner worse than themselves in every possible criteria for fear of being “hypocritical”. There’s no “hypocrisy” in any relationship of complementarity. If I pay $1 for a cookie, it’s not hypocritical that the other person is giving me a cookie instead of another $1. If up to them to decide if $1 is worth a cookie. Looking f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:41 PM
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Are you or women interested in the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:04 PM
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Virginity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:58 PM
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This is misleading. Worrying too much about hobbies is what’s shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:55 PM
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Mocking and hating are entirely different, even if the mocking offends your sensibilities. You usually hate someone who bothers you. People mock losers all the time for no explicit reason. Open TikTok, and you'll see people mocking others for whatever reason. Or think of high school. That has nothing to do with any ideology or pills or whatever. Mocking may not be nice, but hate is not the same. People pretend they don't understand the difference because they expect bonus points when it's hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 11:49 PM
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So they do it for fun and badly evaluated expectation of commitment. Or for whatever other reason. Incentives still broken. OP still correct. If women are happy/unhappy with the outcome because they’re smart/not smart is irrelevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:41 AM
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What I see is the opposite. “Stop hating single moms” without the word “hate” had not been used.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:16 AM
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If they don’t care about it but do it anyway for whatever reason, the incentive system is broken anyway and OP is not refuted. Their motivation or how much they enjoy the experience makes no difference. I would say it’s even worse if they don’t enjoy the experience because then it’s pure lack of self control and morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:40 AM
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Yes. At one level of analysis, that's true. It's also true that there are clear biological motivations for women's and men's preferences, and men offer these options because casual sex is low-risk/high-reward for men and high-risk/low-reward for women. Interpreting high-risk/low-reward opportunities as some win is like celebrating losing money on the stock market because you took advantage of all the bad opportunities you have to buy terrible companies. It's also true that none of that is releva…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:41 PM
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But enough to change the incentive system for men on the other side to the point that it becomes pointless. It makes no difference if you have the ability to make it even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:53 AM
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But women still have it anyway according to their median number of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:33 AM
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Men don’t necessarily need any goal that involves women. And vice versa. If the incentive system is broken, there’s not much to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:32 AM
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You already know that? So you didn’t know it before? How did you learn? I don’t see that refuting any pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:29 AM
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That assumes women don’t ever have sex for fun and/or are great at vetting these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:23 AM
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You can make a comment about most women while still looking for a woman that’s not like most woman. No contradiction here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:20 AM
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Yes. Both things are true. Most people don’t learn at all, even if the lesson comes from their own experience. Everyone knows about the way sex is surrounded by morals issues and decide to just ignore it and accept the cognitive dissonance. Same for in other areas of life. Sad but true. They just make things harder for other people who need to vet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:30 PM
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I would said that’s not a gendered issue. But it’s not even an issue about dating. Bad experiences are useful if you can learn from them. If you learn without needing the bad experience that’s even better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:55 AM
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No problem then. These people will fail because women care a lot and will never have sex with these disgusting men. No problem at all here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:49 PM
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By women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:46 PM
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It would definitely make her less conservative. That works for men too. If you’re focusing on that, you won’t even have time to do usual conservative activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:35 PM
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There are all kinds of people out there. I wasn’t generalizing. It’s just something I’ve seen at least once.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:09 PM
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I’ve never seen this in my life. At most, I’ve seen more conservative men who accept liberal women for casual sex because they can’t find conservative women for that as easily. I find conservative women boring only in the sense that I expect it to be less drama. If that’s what boring means, I love boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:38 AM
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I see what you're trying to do, but it's a false equivalence. Even in your scenario, he's doing all these things for one woman and then the other (although less). There's no dilemma for women here. On the other hand, there would be a dilemma for men because, in the "opposite" scenario, men would also be the ones doing all these things for the woman. In that case, he now feels like a sucker because he's investing much more than he should have, while other people got a better return with zero inve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:32 AM
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I don't think a significant amount of people are saying it's not OK for women to vet people properly and, therefore, be alone in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:00 AM
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Education? (Assuming the thing is true)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:59 AM
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I saw some stats about this and it looked like it’s about 80% of women listing things related to that as a requirement. Men don’t have to do these things, but you have to be capable of doing these things anyway. In the vast majority of relationships I’ve seen in my life, the man makes at least as much and usually more than the woman makes. About the idea that women are looking for partners, there’s no reason to “accept” that because first it’s not true but second men don’t need partners in a non…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:26 AM
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Being respected for other things is kind of easy. Just vet the person without the sex. We’ve been doing that for millennia. I disagree men want to be a great sex object. I understand why a materialistic way of interpreting things can lead to this conclusion. But even when men can be the best, they still generally prefer less promiscuous women for serious relationships. The reason men tend to care about modesty in a particular way is because he already needs to meet the expectations of at least b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:40 PM
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There’s this stereotype that lesbians meet and in two weeks they’re living together. I’m not sure this would be enough to explain their high divorce rates. Between living together and marrying, there’s a ton of time to vet the other person. And the stereotype is probably an exaggeration anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:32 PM
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The post makes claims about dating and relationships. It’s in the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:24 PM
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If divorce (or breakups, before marriage) says nothing about how the relationship was going, I don’t know what does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:15 PM
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There could be a meta question about that. Why worry about people who worry about people? I think the answer is always the same: they find the topic interesting and the motivation is rarely convincing other people. People might be venting, looking for a solution, looking for evidence that could prove them wrong, they may like debating, they could be just scrolling and decide to join a discussion casually, they might be academically interested in the topic, and so on. And they might be interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:14 PM
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The problem is not so much high standards because you can't make decisions based on hypotheticals. Regardless of the standards, men and women look at their best options, and most conclude that being single is better than being with the best they can find because the best they find is not enough to improve their lives to justify the commitment. And that's the case because the incentive system is simply broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:10 PM
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Aren't their divorce rates crazy high?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:52 PM
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Are you ok being the second, third or 10th best to the person you married for the rest of your life? Whatever justify the relationship for you, you’re x-th best in that regard in their eyes? I don’t mind not being the best for casual relationships. But I don’t see how that can justify a marriage. I’m not looking for a provider. Beauty fades with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:14 AM
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It’s not that they have to be assholes. They’re just allowed to be assholes if they want to because of all the optionality. There’s also a good chance the woman will retroactively reinterpret that facts as some kind of manipulation or love bombing even if no promises were made. It’s also not that he has to be better, but it’s likely that he is because women will have much more optionality for casual sex than for commitment. And no one would pass the best option for no other reason. If she’s fort…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:36 AM
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I think they still adopted the pre-marital promiscuity from the West, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:50 AM
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But I think more traditional stable families in rich countries have better results too. Children are much more likely to succeed. In the long run, they’ll be the only ones leaving descendants. In the short run, these children are more successful and the couples are typically wealthier and happier. The comparison between countries is kind of silly because being so worried about maximizing promiscuity as a virtue is a huge deviation from the norm throughout history and among most countries to this…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:17 AM
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It depends on how you measure it (GDP or fertility rates) or how you imply causation (“trad” countries caused less quality of life or more quality of life caused less need for people to be “trad”). A good way to find an answer is to compare how people with the same quality of life decide to have traditional relationships and families or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 06:24 PM
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It could be a number of things. But not biology. If anything, biology has every incentive to eliminate that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 06:21 PM
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I think attraction in the context of incentive systems can’t be seen as a fixed concept because all relationships are trade offs rather than a binary choice between what I find perfect or not perfect for me. For instance, let’s say my main goal for marriage is having children. If the government subsidizes this is some form without me depending on a wife for that, suddenly many previously viable options become not attractive enough. The problem is not that I was being forced to be with people I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 06:20 PM
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The only data you give to compare men and women directly has a higher value of 79% for men. Also, your title is about the norm (meaning 50 percentile) but the second article is about the behavior of the 95th percentile. Of course women will have more sexual partners there. If both decide they'll have as much sex as possible, it’s just much easier for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:53 PM
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It goes both ways. If you have money, it’s much easier to become more attractive.
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/24 11:40 AM
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Beauty is still beauty. What can happen is a 9/10 is beauty is no longer a 9/10 overall because now you’re not only considering beauty. That’s independent from any ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 08:29 PM
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This hypergamy thing is becoming so ambiguous and vague I’m not even sure it still means anything. How isn’t looking for the best partner they can get? Or genes if you will. Anyway, just stop looking at women as this big prize, evaluate the trade offs, and whatever comes out of it will make your life better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:14 PM
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This might be a factor, but it's not gendered or the most critical factor. The why is often more important than the fact itself. For instance, if a man or a woman is a virgin because they tried hard to have sex but couldn't, that's one thing. If they are virgins on purpose because of the way they see the world, even though they have options, that's a different thing. You arrive at entirely different conclusions about the person. Women and females of all species have more optionality in terms of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:48 PM
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That’s not going to change. Most women, even if open to casual sex, expect something in return for doing it with that person in terms of attraction, resources, time, loyalty, etc… Even if she’s as promiscuous as one can be, she still has to choose one person to have sex with that day. Also not as misleading if you don’t want to be misled. The vetting stage is for vetting. And you can’t fake investment (I don’t mean only money here). Even faking values is hard because they don’t even know the val…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:56 PM
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On average it’s the same for both. Because every time a man is with a woman, a woman is with a man for the same kind of relationship. Because men are pursuers, what’s different is the distribution of results and not the average results. There’s much more inequality of results among men. Because learning to pursue is harder than learning to be pursued. But it’s the same on average. “Chads” are having the time of their lives. And that’s not going to chance. Even if we were in a fully monogamous so…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:47 PM
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I’m not defending anything. Anyone can do whatever they want with this information. Still, most steroids are based on but not raw testosterone. And you most people don’t need anything beyond simple testosterone to get fit. You don’t need lots of steroids for that. And adjusting your testosterone levels with a proper doctor is not unhealthy. Quite the contrary. And you still get all the other aesthetic benefits with adjusted levels.
/r/BlackPillScience20/11/24 12:53 AM
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If testosterone is low, just take it. No gym for height. Gym not affecting the face and bones is just false.
/r/BlackPillScience19/11/24 09:54 PM
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> It lowers the fat stored in your face, which may hide good or bad facial features. True. If facial features are ugly, simply revealing them is not that useful. And that's what happens when you just lose weight without gaining lean mass. But being fat _ensures_ the face looks bad. So losing weight will always make it better or at least not worse than before. But losing weight and gaining lean mass will always make it better. > It doesn't improve anything it just make it more visible. I tend to …
/r/BlackPillScience19/11/24 03:28 PM
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People underestimate how hitting the gym also affects your face though.
/r/BlackPillScience19/11/24 02:09 AM
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This is a cultural thing and most cultures don’t care that much about it. My guess is the reason they care about it in places where modern dating / polygamy is the norm is because people get hurt and end up making terrible generalizations about the other gender to justify their own bad behavior. Besides the “it’s icky” argument (people outside the relationship who find it “icky” don’t matter), the other ones are “life stages” (makes no sense because it’s not only an issue with age gaps and not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:40 AM
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“No guy”. I can disprove this theory with evidence that at least one guy would like that for a LTR. I mean, if you find this “obsession with virginity weird”, then it’s implied many men care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:24 AM
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Mostly not. Unless in the rare case where the reason she didn’t have “good” offers. Almost the same for men. Just different probabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:23 AM
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That’s valid for all men. Chad can also do better in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 01:34 PM
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If you define everything as a form of status then yes. Status is everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:27 AM
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🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:25 AM
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That’s the whole thing, really. Women don’t care and never will (they actually care about achieving the opposite). Men care and always will. And they’re both right. Basically why polygamy is self-destructive at a societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:23 AM
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It’s not true millions of would be democratic voters stayed home. In person voting was almost the same for democrats in the last 3 elections. The difference in 2020 was mostly from mail in voting if compared to 2024 and Covid is probably not coming back. And all of that aside, there’s no catering to conservative young men. Even in this sub you’ll see many of the complaints you’re associating with conservative men come from liberal men. This is Reddit. I’m pretty sure the “working class” is also …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:26 AM
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So you can get companionship without getting the government involved. Sounds good to me. I see no reason to get the government involved in your companionship if it’s not going to affect children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 04:00 AM
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I would admire this person. Whether that’s worth it, it depends on the person (or, more realistically, on the optionality the person has). In my case, I wouldn’t consider it to be worth the hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:57 AM
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Of course they are. Of course I’m speaking for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:57 PM
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I don’t mind if they care a lot about the company. I don’t see myself getting married just for the company. Maybe I could have a girlfriend or something. But I don’t see my self getting married or making any big investment. All my friends over 40 are in a similar position.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:55 PM
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The main reason to have a stable relationship is to have children in a stable relationship. I don’t even see a reason to debate whether women over 40 are interested. Discussing LTRs without the prospect of children is pointless. Not worth the hassle just for the company.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 07:53 PM
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I’m not sure about the genetics thing. I would guess at least 50% of people have genetics good enough to become top 10% if they work out and do whatever procedures they need to take care of themselves. And the top 10% genetics would be just average if they don’t they care of themselves. The problem is taking care of yourself takes money and time so that kind of means you’re rich and attractive, at which point you don’t even need a bang maid who pays 50% of the bills anymore. Also note how simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:28 PM
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I’m very active in church although I’ve never been very active at using it as a place for dating. I see lots of pros about them. But I don’t see them being bang maids who pay 50% of the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:29 AM
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Most people in church who are slightly older seem to be in this situation. They converted after that phase. To be clear, I’m not saying that’s why they converted. Maybe most slightly older people are in this situation because other people there get married early.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:28 AM
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I know women in church who married men who are not religious but not anti religion. She takes him to the most important events in church. Basically they had to settle for that because there are just too many women in church.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:26 AM
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Where do I find these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:29 PM
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I only approach anyone after she signals she wants to be approached with some eye contact. Is this waiting for women to pursue me? Or is it just normal? Am I wasting too many opportunities?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:07 AM
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Ending up in any relationship or having had sex at least once are not admirable goals men have. They want to feel loved in a way they can justify romance and therefore the relationship. Being able to achieve sex with a lot of effort and investing everything they have when no one else had to invest anything is a net negative. It’s worse than being alone. Sex by itself is very cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:45 AM
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I missed all of these clues. I saw all guys as ugly and making an effort. They would stick with whatever they got. It seems like some older more successful guys were getting most girls without effort but we never saw them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:42 AM
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The problem is when you go out and confirm the hypotheses. That’s when depression hits. Until then, you can blame it on the algorithms. There’s not much one can do. Just get used to it, hit the gym, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:36 AM
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> We're damned if we do, damned if we don't I don't think that's such a conflict. Once you assume people are different, you just have to decide if you want to please sociopaths or people without mental health issues. When looking for serious relationships, most men without mental health issues want modest women or at least won't actively value promiscuity. They're looking for a person with values. Not a promiscuous acrobat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:13 PM
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I've seen people say they don't care about modesty, although I find it rare because they usually change their minds when you ask about lower and lower levels of modesty. I've seen people who say they don't care about modesty for short-term relationships. This is obvious because the lack of modesty often allowed the relationship to happen. I've never really seen anyone who values promiscuity in a long-term relationship. It should be scarce in real life. If I ever meet such a person, I assume they…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:09 PM
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I’m not saying self-perception is disconnected from reality. The way reality has influenced a person who attached their self-esteem to that is so obvious not worth discussing. What I’m saying is 1) it was not what the original question was about and 2) attaching your self-image to that is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:40 PM
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This is already at a second dialectical level. The original question was about value. Not about self-value. You made it clear it’s only about self-value and I made a comment about it. Of course it can be about self-value. You can make anything about self-value even if it’s objectively false as a form of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:15 PM
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Yes. Even as a form of self-value instead of value, it's pretty unhealthy because now your positive self-image depends on others, which is unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:52 PM
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Attraction is much easier to see than a high body count. No one needs body counts as a proxy for attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:54 AM
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Yes. That’s reasonable. I’m answering with the assumption that “If you disagree with my definitions tell me why”. I disagree with them no matter where they come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 04:38 PM
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Yes. My understanding is that in many places, the expectation is that you'll have a hoe phase before settling down—not FOMO. But I guess her other answer made that clear by defining "levels of FOMO," so to speak. It's like small FOMO when they're young, but only if someone perfect shows up, then desperate FOMO later in life. I guess it's one way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 08:37 PM
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Oh. Ok. Thanks. So just a general desire to find someone nice. So still FOMO but not as much FOMO. Or maybe the same FOMO but not as desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:12 PM
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Interesting. I honestly don’t know much about individual states. Thank you. My understanding is that most other countries a two year relationship is usually equivalent to a marriage without a prenup if she decides to sue you. If you’re not living together, she can still do it but she needs evidence that you two had some kind of plans to form a family or had plans for the future, which is quite easy for her if the judge is pro women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:10 PM
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No. I really meant successful and dumb. lol But yes, maybe it’s easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:31 AM
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I think sometimes is the modern expectation that you have to be ok with 3, 30, or 300 that people complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:57 AM
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Never seen that in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:55 AM
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Being able to is one thing. How you use this “power” is a separate issue. I think I saw a Christian red pill thing once and they’re all celibate. And don’t know the details.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:55 AM
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I disagree with the definitions. This image of a trad wife is like some cosplay. Traditional marriage has never been like that stereotype of America in the 50s. Traditionally both men and women always worked and the housework was related to circunstancial demands. To answer the question, what I would do and what I would teach my children, regardless of their gender, is to be traditional in the way I understand it, in the sense that they should take sex, relationships, and marriages seriously and…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:52 AM
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She’s not an incel but the market is tougher. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:40 AM
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I think it would have to go below non chad. And also successful but not very smart, which is a rare combination.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:38 AM
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I think the question is kind of weird because it adds up to “what if she’s 35 and doesn’t have any of the problems people associate with it”. I guess the only possible answers are “I obviously don’t care” or “I would do more research because something’s off”. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:37 AM
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I don’t understand. What FOMO did she have way early her 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:33 AM
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I think all humans will give you the same answer for any trait you ask. Working on the problem is better than not working on the problem and worse than not having the problem. And lying about the problem is worse than all of the above because that’s now 3 times the original problem. Evaluating whether people “really changed” is emotionally consuming. Some things are more easily changed than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:32 AM
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In most countries and states you would be less financially vulnerable married with a prenuptial agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:28 AM
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“Men confuse love and lust”. LOL. No. Maybe one affects the other? Maybe. But men know the difference quite well and discuss that often among other men. You just have difficulty identifying good and bad partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:46 PM
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The whole thing could have ended in the first paragraph. If abortion is OK because it's inconvenient to one of the parents (I don't think it is, but let's assume that for the sake of argument), then the isonomy would be that any of the parents could do it. If she decides not to abort, she's making the decision and taking the responsibility for the child. There's no discussion where "its financial needs outweigh the financial rights of the parents" because it's not the child against the father. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:49 PM
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Lower IQ people usually misunderstand intelligence. Their stereotype is someone like Sheldon who only understands literal prepositional statements and can’t control emotions. Someone like Sheldon would probably just be autistic. IQ is highly correlated to health and emotional sensitivity. Better health is obviously correlated to physical attractiveness. They also tend to be able to learn social cues easier and adapt themselves to solve problems unrelated to intelligence if they noticed it’s a bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:42 AM
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There’s no “odds” to compare. Different types of approaches attract different kinds of people with different types of efforts. For instance, when you cold approach, you are already talking to the person, which in online dating would be another funnel. Also, the way you approach people and where can significantly impact the kind of people you attract. A lot less catfishing for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:02 AM
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Lying is an answer. It's a lie. But it's an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 06:26 AM
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This whole premise of "Nobody: / Men: I hate women X!". I've never seen that in my entire life. I occasionally see that here, a place meant for debates, so the opposite of "Nobody: (crickets)." This "What should be said / What is actually said" also contradicts the premise "Say your preference without insulting people." Your examples do not suggest polite and impolite ways of expressing the same preferences. They're just sentences saying different things and are often not about preferences. Of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 11:32 PM
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There’s nothing traditional about trad wives. It’s just a cringe cosplay of some people in the 50s in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:58 AM
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That's true. But they also find 50% of women to be >5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:48 AM
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Unless I had terrible moral education, I would use this value to find the best wife I could. Although I still think it would be very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 09:08 PM
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This would make sense if all men were the same person. Men are still individuals with different opinions and morals. Regardless of the morals of each individual male, females are the ones making sexual choices in all species because the risk/benefit imbalance between genders creates an asymmetry in demand between genders. For instance, if women constantly choose sociopaths (which I don’t think is the case, by the way), then society as a whole just became better for sociopaths. And if a non socio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:16 PM
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Exactly. Over 3 million would be required annually to reach replacement levels with immigrants. That's achievable only by significantly reducing the quality of the immigrants. Attracting qualified immigrants takes work, and the competition is tough. Many countries with excellent quality of life have been doing that successfully for a long time now. I'm also skeptical that frozen eggs can significantly help with a problem at this scale: at best, it's just a rare situation in which few people will…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:54 PM
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I don’t know anyone like that in real life. The only place I see people like that is this sub. If it comes up in a conversation, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:52 PM
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You conflating standards a person doesn’t meet with the standards someone else fails to meet. The conclusions for one of them don’t generalize to the other. Once this is solved, none of the problems you listed exist. Never in my life I have seen anyone complain the way you describe in the first or the second case. No one is like “their standards are realistic and logical but they’re unfair because I can’t meet them” or “I really want to care and listen without dating them but they won’t let me”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:29 AM
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The idea that they’re jealous is pure projection. They’re not saying they’re jealous. They’re expressing this shows how things are terrible. Without further evidence, we have to take that at face value. We can’t project these feelings on them. And you can’t make many generalizations about the men making these statements. There are men of all ideologies, successful and unsuccessful, with and without friends, lonely and not lonely. All along similar kinds of statements. I also don’t think all guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:29 AM
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Well... this is moving to goalposts to something else completely (body counts, etc) that has nothing to do with the story. But anyway... It's not a scenario. It's something I've seen many times. It is not very controversial at all. I find it even expected: it's just people not getting what they initially wanted because of scarcity. But you don't have to believe it. About the completely unrelated other thing, I assume you mean "4-7 average sex partners". A "lifetime partner" is something else. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:58 AM
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My definition just came from the dictionary because I don't need your stretches. The story is simple: Two men wanted the same thing: a lot of access to sex with promiscuous women for short-term relationships and a non-promiscuous woman for a long-term relationship One of them got what he wanted. Therefore, we call him successful. The other one didn't get what he wanted. Therefore, we call him unsuccessful. The one who didn't get what he wanted got a promiscuous wife instead The one who didn't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:59 PM
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So the only way to be successful is to get exactly what you want how you want and when you want? If you get more of what you want, you are more successful. Yes. If two people want the same thing (a non-promiscuous wife, a job position, or achieving a discovery) and one of them doesn't get it, the other person is more successful regarding that goal. Yes again,. You're putting forward one binary and extreme definition, considering all goals a person has in life should be considered. But you alread…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:29 PM
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If you put in much effort, you might find something reasonable. But it doesn't scale. Fertility rates will decrease until people replace the population with a different culture and start over. Unfortunately, waiting for this to happen is not an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:16 PM
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Doesn’t that mean they are actually successful?! No. Obviously. They didn't achieve what they wanted, so they were not successful. success (noun) suc·​cess sək-ˈses Synonyms of success 1a: degree or measure of succeeding b: favorable or desired outcome also : the attainment of wealth, favor, or eminence 2: one that succeeds The only way to consider them successful is to 1) ignore what they originally wanted as a measure of outcome threshold and 2) replace it with some binary measure where having…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:13 PM
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I never seen that in my life. Everyone who told me to be careful with sluts we’re quite successful with women. Unsuccessful men are fast to lower their standards and rationalize it. Every men who ever told me none of that matters at all were very feminine or thought we were talking about short term relationships. Like a Chady friend of mine who told me he doesn’t care at all but when I asked him if he would marry them he said never because he wouldn’t marry knowing what women are like. So it’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:21 PM
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Not committing in a consensual relationship is sexual abuse now 🤣 Because women are always children. Welcome to societies where resources are allocated to whoever cries the loudest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:16 PM
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There's not much to do about it. They would be more likely to commit these crimes if they were married. On the aggregate, this ship has sailed. The other alternative is stronger law enforcement. This ship also has sailed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:50 PM
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Many people come here to identify this apparent "contradiction." The answer is simple: these men express various opinions based on their unique experiences and beliefs. If person X says A, and person Y says not-A, that's not a contradiction. These are just different, equally valid opinions. I strongly doubt most Passport Bros would be Red Pill and vice-versa. My intuition is the minority of Red Pill men would see this Passport Bro thing as a good strategy for most people, and I think Passport Br…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:59 PM
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Yes. I agree things should be more like you described. Unfortunately things can’t be further from that nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:26 PM
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Exactly. And most of these explanations were made politically incorrect to ask about. So there’s no way to even ask and the only way is to avoid these people as trouble. Especially if being open is huge effort for them. You can already run. Also in the case of marriage, things get way more complex. Because getting married is a lot of sweat for both parties. It’s a huge investment. So if all kinds of things were made extremely easy to previous partners, it’s almost impossible to explain it in a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:23 PM
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Yes. The prize thing is more in the context of different criteria for different men. Most men I know are completely OK with it when they know the criteria for waiting is the same for everyone. In this case, it’s just a choice. For instance, one person wants to wait until marriage and the other doesn’t. That’s an incompatibility but nothing to worry about in terms of self esteem or being used or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:06 PM
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Exactly. It’s generally safe to assume nothing. There are three ways this problem is solved: chastity on both parts as it’s been recommended in human history until 5 minutes ago, then you wait until marriage or at least only commit a sin after there’s been a lot of clear investment from both parts; or the men makes huge investments and commitments in terms of time and resources, which is common when 80% of women say they wouldn’t date “down” and have the power to do so in terms of supply and dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:03 PM
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Yes. It probably becomes more likely in some circumstances by people who are already bad and are looking for a target. They’re wrong, it’s not their right, but it makes you slightly more likely to be a target of these wrong things by bad people when they do happen. It has nothing to do with justifying the action. The issue of likelihood of a wrong action is independent from the issue of whether their action is right or wrong. I think looking as this as the rationale to decide whether to be promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:24 AM
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Well… that’s part of the reply. You obviously have a right to not be assaulted just like you have a right to not have your house robbed. That says nothing about the meaning of your actions and whether they’re a good idea. The fact you have rights doesn’t mean not locking your house doesn’t make your house less safe and it doesn’t mean there might not be circumstances under your probability of being assaulted is higher. And none of that means good people would become bad people. It’s always the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:41 AM
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All my pictures got >9.5 on photofeeler and the experience still sucks. The incentive system is broken. People want completely different things and it often takes a lot of time to figure what they want. I’d much rather go out and meet people through my social groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:58 AM
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This last paragraph is a great way to summarize how promiscuity changes the meaning of your actions. When you accept someone, you’ll never know why that is because acceptance no longer communicates that much. And that’s not enough to convince many people to make a huge investment where two become one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:54 AM
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It’s weird that this question is even asked. The inicial part of the advice sounds like just basic common sense to me. The part that mixes rights and expectations is the only thing I would find controversial. And I assume you’re not paraphrasing her here. Of course people have to respect everyone else’s boundaries. Even “loose” women tend to not be “loose” to everyone, there’s at least some hedonistic criteria, and that’s a boundary. But making everyone wait for sex and only one person wait for …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:06 AM
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This assumes natural selection is fast and independent from the choices people make. It’s not. Different cultures create different incentives systems that are more or less successful. And culture comes from discussions. And discussions come from people’s motivations. People being angry and making decisions about it is part of natural selection. Telling people not to care because selection will work anyway doesn’t make sense because people caring and the way they care is part of the selection pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 07:30 PM
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I hear that “she only won because she’s a woman because she’s not even that good” a lot in counties that have had female leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 06:36 AM
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The idea of any person came from the combination of “men are walking away from marriage” and the obvious fact that the reason they’re walking away is they find the willing partners they find as not good enough for marriage. Otherwise, they would be married already almost by definition. The idea that they’re finding willing partners they find good enough for marriage and not marrying then is absurd because if they don’t propose in this situation, by definition, their revealed preference is that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:57 PM
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That’s true but getting married to any person won’t fix it. A bad marriage will just leave the kinds without a two-parent household. And it’s even worse because now you lose access to the children. If you can’t live on a single income, you’re unlikely to find or walk away from a partner when you find one anyway. It’s usually men who can already live on a single income who can find partners more easily and are walking away more because those are the ones for which the marriage contract becomes le…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:37 PM
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This doesn't contradict anything I said. I never said men and women don't want partners they're attracted to I never said after people commit, they "keep the narrative" (whatever that means: Thinking about it? Expressing it to their partner?) that they could do better. They obviously couldn't do better for their current goals, or they wouldn't have committed. I never said hot guys wouldn't commit to women they are attracted to. I said that if they can commit to only one person and could commit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:20 AM
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I don't see where I'm ranking anyone That's what I mean by "So you have no ranking system"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:12 AM
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Exactly. So you have no ranking system beyond some threshold. I don’t know often that happens but it’s not that uncommon either. After some threshold I also don’t make any distinction about how hot people are, especially for serious relationships. I can still see the difference after the threshold but it doesn’t affect me emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:33 PM
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That’s the most interesting answer. Any specific reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:18 PM
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The theory is not that you want to commit to a less attractive guy. By definition, not requiring things gives you more options than not requiring things. So the theory is that the less commitment you require, the more attractive guy you can get. For both men and women. So it follows that the most attractive guys will have more options than they can commit to so only a few women will get commitment from these men. Other women will only be able to find commitment from less attractive options than …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:03 PM
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“Sexually? Sure” Why this exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:28 AM
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The problem with that approach is that it pretends that there will be no bias in the 0.1% who are susceptible to this kind of approach. The reason only 0.1% respond to that has to make you question what trait they have to see value in this kind of approach where no value is provided. It’s not just a numbers game. These 0.1% see things in a way the other 99.9% don’t, and that will affect any future relationship unequally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 06:39 AM
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That’s a verbal dispute on what a “hypothesis” means. It’s completely beside the point because I didn’t assume it had to be true, whatever you want to call it, which is what you’re implying. What I said is the only reason for asking, true or not, is because you think it’s worth asking (or you wouldn’t have asked). And it’s only worth asking because you think there’s something in the hypothetical (“fictional” if you want) scenario that’s reusable to the real world. The verbal dispute on whether t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:20 PM
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Yes. I understand the hypothesis. The problem is asking the person to consider the hypothesis doesn’t change the fact that the only reason to even ask the question is because there’s an assumption that the hypothesis reflects reality in some sense, and it’s hard to agree with that unless you’re inclined to choose the first alternative anyway. If I assumed the hypothesis is valid in some alternative world I would probably choose alternative B because for romantic relationships, modesty from both …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 12:31 AM
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This is problematic because any answer assumes you kind of agree with the generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 08:15 PM
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I don’t see men saying it’s only about looks very often. That’s silly and shallow. Men don’t care about looks as much as women. Anything that looks “healthy” is good enough. It’s about behavioral expectations and their correlation with baggage. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 04:56 AM
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You don't have to wait to start anything. Also, the concept of success rate is meaningless there because not all women are the same rate of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:06 PM
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I think its more like they don't usually care. Not that they prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 04:53 PM
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You sacrifice for yourself, not for women or society. Then you let people join you if you think they deserve. Making sacrifices for yourself has nothing to do with blindly accepting bad deals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 01:07 AM
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In both scenarios you propose you'd be counting on almost pure luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 10:30 PM
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You just need a couple of reasonable dealbrakers to eliminate 90% of the people. That's why you have to be a the right places. The probability of meeting someone good randomly is very low.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 10:25 PM
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“Men don't expect any such thing from women”. I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:53 PM
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People make generalizations and project a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:05 AM
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Clearly not a minority
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:27 AM
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People can build more social circles and try to be nice to each other. That would be a good starting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 06:05 PM
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People venting don't do that as a way to attract people. They're just venting. Some are working on other stuff and some are not. These things are unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:47 AM
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Yes. A lot of people just do that when they become a little more successful and a better plan b for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:15 AM
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Everyone has abundance among the people they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:52 AM
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That's not something men do. It's something people might end up doing. They didn't leave you to end up miserable. They left you for specific reasons (stress, not being in love, wanting kids, and whatever they were too polite to admit) and then maybe happened to end up sad or miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:20 PM
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Top much evidence. That's not allowed in this sub. They'll say you're wrong and that the opposite is just “obvious” and doesn't need evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:12 AM
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Everyone was happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:43 PM
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How are you doing a paternity test before the child is born?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:29 PM
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The problem is the test is too late in the process. In most countries, if you’re not the biological father you’ll be obliged to pay anyway. You have already been scammed at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:39 PM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:53 PM
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Bad strategy but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:39 PM
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Yes. Not average at all. Some reasons are still better than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:21 PM
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I think most people will say it depends on the reason more than the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:03 PM
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I’ve seen kind of the opposite in this thread. The typical argument is that all men behaved like pigs for centuries (which I don’t see a lot of evidence anyway and find almost impossible) and because of that it’s positive that women to now behave like pigs, exercising this right is virtuous, and men shouldn’t be able to have an opinion on modesty at all because their grandgrandgrandfathers were supposedly having sex with prostitutes every other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:59 AM
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The typical assumption is that some degree (how much depends on who’s judging) of modesty is a good thing regardless. (I’m just saying. Not trying to convince you. Please don’t shoot the messenger.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:23 AM
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I’m not randomly complaining men can’t do that. It don’t even see that as an “advantage”. I was just stating a fact because the previous comment assumed the opposite was the case. I don’t agree with that view of the past either (since it’s going way beyond the point). I looked for good evidence of that many times and couldn’t find any.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 03:28 AM
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I clicked all these links and all I found is that prostitution existed. No shit. In which of these sources do I find evidence for the claim that prostitution not only existed (everyone knows that) and not only curious facts related to it (which sure exist) but evidence that it was widely available to all men to the scale the original comment claimed it to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:06 AM
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Yes. Correct. If you're too poor to have children, then it's not sustainable, no matter how monogamous you are. Having some amount of money is a necessary (and rather obvious) but not sufficient criterion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:02 AM
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Again, I'm not denying prostitution existed. I'm denying it's impossible that it existed at a scale that would support the other claims you guys want to believe about men in the past. It can't exist on such a scale because if average sexual modesty was even higher by then, the supply can only exist if it's constrained (it won't be available to many people) or at a very high price (and then people can't afford it). That's the point I've been made and I've seen nothing that refutes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:00 PM
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I never said it wasn't. That's the point. The article assumes I think it's much more than five to tell me it's less than I think. If anything, the data they provided scared me because I didn't think it was that bad in college. A minor point: It's not the "vast majority" either. If 5 is the median, it means 50% of people are equal to or below 5. By definition, a "vast" majority should be way above 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:57 PM
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So your implication that "men get to live up the single life and be players" is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:43 PM
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"Just Google it" is not a reliable source. If you claim a reliable source and blame people for not having sources and knowing history, you should have at least one reliable source.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:42 PM
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I don't have to guess. We have the precise histogram. (The image assumes "you" at the median) In any case, that's unrelated to the article's lack of reliability. To make it reliable, it would have to independently access how much people estimate it to be and then compare the data. For instance, it's often used to say it's less than I expected, but I expected it to be much less than it claims to be. If anything, it had the opposite effect. And even if it did that analysis properly, it would mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:41 PM
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Oh... I mean there are no free markets operating here. Of course you can see anything as markets otherwise. "Work" to do what? There's no value judgement here. I just mean a model that survives without external help. you mean reproductive families or adoptive families (i.e. families with children) Not really. I just meant something sustainable without help. Without other people paying in society for the children (school, health, etc...). they're proportionately speaking the hardest hit by the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:36 PM
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But you mentioned you have historical evidence. What historical evidence you have of the large scale of this thing? How many prostitutes in proportion of society were there to serve all these men? A large proportion of society would need to be prostitutes. How much did they charge and could they afford that? I assume it was expensive since sex elsewhere was rare. It’s doesn’t add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:31 AM
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There are no markets operating here. If your new family model doesn’t work the government takes money from well structured families by force to bail you out, generating a cycle of below replacement fertility rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:25 AM
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That’s kind of ambiguous. For instance, “85 percent of young people prefer other options to hooking up, such as spending time with friends or having sex in a serious relationship”. If you have a body count 300 and say you prefer sex in serious relationships they would be counting it as a non hookup person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:20 AM
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What’s your source for that period of history where men didn’t have to practice it? If women were all chaste and men were not, who were men cheating on their wives with?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:14 AM
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Very few men even have the ability to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:13 AM
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Exactly. If anything, I just think it makes you think. You’re always comparing experiences. You want to know why this person is with you now and how this person would react 10 years ago. You can’t turn off that part of the brain but it doesn’t mean you have to be resentful. If anything, it’s an opportunity to work on mental health. If the new person was attracted to you for the reasons you think are wrong, the money can help you work on the other criteria. If the person is with you for the right…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:22 PM
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You made a question about resentment and I wrote a comment about resentment. How’s that off topic or deviating from the issue? There’s no significant difference in terms of age for most personal development advice. For instance, “I haven’t invested any money when I was 25 and now I’m 35. What should I do?” Obviously start now at 35. It’s going to be worse at 45 and you get go back in time to 25. The best option is starting now. The same goes for mental health, social life, physical health, looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:48 AM
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Not being attractive enough is not the only reason to lack experience. But in any case, if you weren’t attractive and now you are, bringing resentment into the current relationship is just bringing baggage. Other people are not responsible for your baggage whatever that is. Now, the thing you said sounds like you’re being attractive for the wrong reasons and that what makes you resentful. It’s kind of easy to work on that. If you’re financially stable, instead of leading relationships with your …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:42 AM
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I think being honest is not about making it a green flag. It’s about not putting another red flag on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:40 AM
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Where does this information come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:42 AM
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I think people overthink this. Try telling a woman she’s marriage material but not hookup material. She’ll immediately understand the problem. You’re basically saying you’re not attracted to her. That she’s ugly. That you would like to have sex with someone else if you could. And that she’s good for marriage because of some other external factor but not who she is. Any men or women without brain damage understands the problem. I don’t think the problem is making women or men understand that. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:34 AM
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This sub is so repetitive: It’s not a contradiction when two people of the same gender say different things. People of the same gender are still individuals. Not all men and women say the same things about everything. It’s not a contradiction when one man says one thing and another man says another. The “complaints” you’re saying come from “men” will rarely come from the same men or from the same people. I also have rarely seen men say they are actively avoiding women who have sexual modesty for…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 03:48 AM
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Exactly. And you’re implying that’s ok because “men” fuck zone “women”. Even if two wrongs made a right and lying were ok, the situations are not only not comparable at all, they’re the opposite. One is convincing the person to have the smallest relationship investment. The other is convincing the person to make the biggest investment ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:58 PM
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If anything, fuckzoning is the exact opposite of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:52 PM
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It’s not about “needs”. Otherwise women would stop caring at all after a certain relatively low income threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:26 AM
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My list doesn’t even go that far: good health and good mental health. The other things you listed just look like proxies for these two.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:23 AM
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Dating apps are not usually the best place for a virgin. I’m sure other people will tell you this. A second point is that men will usually have a looks threshold (usually low: not obese and not a clear problems that could be easily fixed like missing teeth etc) and only after that the next criteria will usually be “purity” (for lack of a better word) and “mental health” (also for lack of a better word). If you’re above say 6/10 in looks then the “purity” criteria is what usually will be used to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:18 AM
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If she said poor people shouldn’t be having kids they can’t look after maybe she would have a point.
/r/MensRights07/08/24 05:45 AM
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Nice humble bragging
/r/seduction07/08/24 05:41 AM
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He didn't say his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:38 PM
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It’s up to him to decide if companionship is a huge favor. I’ve met many who decided to be alone. And I’ve met many who decided to have the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:51 PM
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I pay attention. Even in this sub they keep telling me young women are disgusted by older men. So all the evidence is not only that it doesn’t happen. It’s impossible to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:15 AM
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You probably don’t even know what baggage means. But most importantly, I don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:14 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:36 AM
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I wasn’t even making an argument. I’m just telling you what things are like. I have no interest in this competition or in knowing if men have as much baggage. If women think they do, women are welcome to avoid these men if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:35 AM
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It’s not how that works. It’s not about attraction. Older women can still be very attractive anyway. It’s more about the “baggage”. They’ll look for someone younger to get married but they won’t abandon her and his family just because she got older. If she got married to him young, she’ll have just as little baggage when she’s older plus they have a history and a family together. I’m not justifying or defending any of it. Just explaining the rationale.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:57 AM
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Yes. Your last sentence explains most of it. If they thought words were reliable they wouldn’t even try. But since everyone lies all the time, they feel like they have to check.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:50 AM
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People don’t usually know how promiscuous you really are. Most find out trying to have sex. If when they are convinced you’re not promiscuous, they still want to check if they aren’t the exception. Anyway, words are cheap. Just deny and move forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:48 AM
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I wouldn’t say most posts are like these. And the ones that are usually refuted by both men and women. No one is “entitled” to anything from anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 06:00 AM
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Didn’t you see that like in high school?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:47 AM
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Branching out randomly tends to yield poor results because the way we branch out is also biased. Any particular place I can branch out to find these people? When I came to PPD I actually thought I was branching out already.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:12 AM
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For men, romance is what justifies any serious relationship. The expectation is he already needs a higher income in most cases and sex is much more easily available in other ways. Most men I know started out very romantic and “learned” from women they had to stop doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:48 AM
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I had the exact same thought process. But it was much easier said than done. All paths are emotionally intense in a negative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:45 AM
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That’s only a problem if she behaves like that with other men. If she doesn’t (I know it’s rarer and rarer), there’s no problem with that. It actually makes her literally marriage material (unless “commitment” means serial monogamy or just showing up for a few dates, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:23 AM
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So just like marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:30 PM
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I could say both but I was thinking about the PPD. Opinions around PPD are obviously biased. But real life is probably even more biased because of the demographics of people I interact with and because of the small sample size as very few people talk about it all the time like people here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:47 PM
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Not what I see around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:53 AM
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This kind of assumes only money and looks can be attractive. It also assumes the preference itself is what they’re complaining about. It’s not what people complain about at all. If you get married to someone who only did it for the money, she’ll leave you and take your money in the first opportunity. Money doesn’t make you attractive. It convinces her to be with you temporarily despite you not being attractive. It’s always a bad idea to lead with your wallet. This is different from considering t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:23 AM
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Exactly. When women don’t tell, it’s just common sense because you didn’t explicitly say it’s exclusive. When men don’t tell, it’s some creepy manipulation akin to a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:56 AM
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Isn’t an employer-employee relationship kind of a long term relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:53 AM
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I've also seen people criticize Milei for not having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:57 PM
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If the relationship is casual / not explicitly exclusive and that's not cheating anyway, what do you gain from reinforcing that you might be seeing other people? Isn't it impolite even to mention the other people you're seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:25 PM
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It's a tactic to get women to feel competition Why do you want a hookup to feel that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:23 PM
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If these people exist, they are just clearly stupid. People should vet each other in all relationships. I've never seen anyone oppose that. This issue of women being rejected for their bad decisions doesn't exist. That's what the blue pill is all about: they're not even bad decisions, so there's nothing to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:18 PM
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women generally dont really care Well... They should. That's the point. If they don't, that means they made bad decisions in the past and are making bad decisions now. one wrong decision and it’s game over Not game over at all. They can make as many bad decisions and betabux is around the corner. Don't worry. She won't be alone. The narrative around here is that it's even wrong for men to evaluate women according to any criteria. So men, when talking to each other, exchange advice on how to prot…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:14 PM
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There are other models but sure. Whatever non monogamic system you come up with, people who control access to sex (mostly women and top X% men) will “tilt” the distribution in their “favor”. The less monogamic, the less even is the distribution. (Assuming that’s even a problem.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:31 PM
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What solves the “inequality” problem is monogamy: not self improvement. That doesn’t mean self improvement is pointless at all, because 1) picking up women is a terrible goal in terms of motivation and 2) it was never meant to be a solution to a social issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:50 AM
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Yes. I can’t see people complain about it but I can definitely see people (both genders) using it as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:47 AM
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I find it weird than anyone would complain about anyone else getting old. There’s nothing the other person can do. I’ve seen men complain that women try to trick men when they get older as they’re doing the transition from alphafux to betabux. But never seen anyone complain about the aging process itself. After you get married, your husband won’t starting liking you because you aged. Men value things that correlate with age more than the age. If you got married, unless you cheat on him, you stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:41 AM
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Many of the premises are wrong. Not finding older women desirable and complaining about women’s age are very different things. People don’t complain about people they don’t find attractive. At most, the feeling is indifference. Being attracted to things that correlate with age also doesn’t mean the person is not attracted to anything else. Same for men not worrying too much about your income. If you’re really intelligent (as in literally having a high IQ) that’s a pro for most people, I would as…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:23 AM
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First, the manosphere does not care about fixing anyone's issues because the manosphere is not a person. Second, do you have a link to some red pill guide blaming women for "not dating these men to improve their mental health"? I want to see that explicitly, not some slippery slope where you conclude that that's how they must feel. Would you have this link?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:14 PM
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You know the 80/20 proportion is just a “metaphor”, right? The thing is a Pareto distribution but the proportion is not 80/20. And the situations you listed would affect the proportion for sure. Case 4 has a much more even proportion than case 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:43 PM
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Oh but they do. “High value” men reject women for not being marriage material all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:35 AM
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Not a contradiction at all. They find it hard to get into a relationship with a girl they want: not _any_ relationship. Most people find it easy to get into a relationship they don't see benefiting them. Not having a relationship with a person who is not the person he wants a relationship with is not a contradiction at all. Thus, it's not a contradiction to reject a relationship with any woman with attributes that make her not desirable to him, such as (potentially) the ones you listed. Also, mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:23 AM
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What is the woman is a bit more religious and traditional than him and doesn't want to have kids out of wedlock? Marriage means a slightly different thing in a religious system. Anyone religious is making a mistake by dating anyone without the same values (although the person might happen to have the same values without religion in some cases). But many RP men it seems want the cute woman who is either virgin or low n count, is mostly agreeable. But never stop to think, that she will most likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:34 PM
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If you’re 22, age should not be the most important factor determining how naive you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:24 AM
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The data doesn’t show if they were actively trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:21 AM
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Both sets of statements could be true. Some statements are even saying the same thing at different levels: "he has a bad canthal tilt" and "despite being obese" are just variations of "he's ugly", which the black pill stuff. "he has horrendous social skills" just sounds like the "game" red pill stuff. Your presentation of red pill ideas are also very distorted. For instance, that's something they would never say: "he's a great guy and his standards are reasonable but for some reason nobody wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:49 AM
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Why isn't it women vilifying men for having sex and men internalizing misandry? If it's all about material things and power, it would make much more sense for men to tell women to have _more_ sex, not _less_. Women with two neurons, on the other hand, might not want to see the value of sex go down socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 12:07 AM
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Why would they do that? And why do just as many women care?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 09:27 PM
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And the motivation is so easy to infer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 09:25 PM
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Slightly disadvantaged. Yes. She’ll have to find someone who doesn’t care, which is necessarily a subset of all people. Probably a subset that’s also not worried about relationships anyway. Or she’ll have to lie indefinitely, which is hard, tiring, and makes the relationship worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:55 PM
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Evaluate actions rather than words. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:39 AM
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Have you ever talked to people 5+ years younger than yourself? I find that weird. I see a lot of correlation between "the same mainstream talking points" and IQ but almost zero correlation between "the same mainstream talking points" and age. People I know who were like that five years ago are the same now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:38 AM
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They just don’t want a relationship at the time No one throws away the opportunity of a relationship they think benefits them. Over time, can a person become more or less likely to find an unspecified relationship beneficial? Sure. Can a person increase or decrease their standards over time? Sure. But no one throws away the opportunity of a relationship they think makes them better off. No one would want not to be better off. Even if a business didn't put up a sign saying they're hiring, they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:33 AM
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Instead of complaining about being pumped and dumped I don't think they care that much. It's always a good deal. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, they had some fun and now have as many options for something serious as before.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:28 AM
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Most relationships don’t end because anyone cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:04 AM
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Being susceptible to casual sex is the worse idea. The thing men care about the most that is also correlated with age is precisely the opposite of that. If anything, they should be less susceptible to casual sex if they understood anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:02 AM
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“Experience”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:59 AM
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They’re not expired. They just become less attractive because things attractive to men correlate with young age. Looks is just one of them. But most men who are able to attract younger women won’t keep trying to leave a woman for younger women when they’re in a relationship. He got emotionally attached for someone he had the things he was already looking for. Unless you cheat on him, these things won’t change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:58 AM
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Has any men ever said otherwise? I would never choose Megan fox over a fit 21 year old. That’s if I were only concerned with looks of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:54 AM
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That’s how I look when I was 19. Things got better about 6 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:53 AM
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Same here. I'm always confused about these discussions. And about how frequently they come up here. I don't see any of that at all where I live. And even if I saw, I would see no reason to discuss that online. If both persons say "yes" to a relationship, that's it. If someone feels "icky" about it, that's irrelevant. They're not part of the relationship. If most women or men objectively don't want it, as they keep trying to prove with anecdotal evidence, it's also irrelevant. I'm not most men, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:30 AM
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This group is very repetitive, so it's easy to see the patterns. The most common argument is it's going to be "icky." The second most common argument is that there's some power imbalance, but the justifications are very poor. Even if they were both excellent arguments, the fact that the person bothers so much that they have to vent with random strangers on the internet is what's kind of "icky" to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:25 AM
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Not what I've seen at all. I've dated women much older and much younger. No severe mental issues so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:21 AM
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These statistics aren't possible unless you have a significant amount of women dating men that are a few years older than them on average. It is possible because they could be sharing the same men. The evidence for that is that women dating older men would mean fewer older single men, but that's not what happens. Somehow, more women are dating than men of all age ranges. That's not to say OP is correct. In my experience, the few men who take care of themselves have no problem finding younger men…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:19 AM
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Most men do know the facts about female orgasm. They just “care” a lot less about it in casual sex for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 01:30 AM
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Is this supposed to be controversial?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 12:25 AM
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Masturbate? Remove your testicles?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 03:55 PM
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Well... This twist makes it not "no-fault." Alimony is rare outside the US, so that's probably not what's causing the problem. The problem is women taking half the stuff in all cases because prenups are disrespected and child support being conflated with alimony in practice because it's based on earnings. The solution to these things is obvious: stop doing the thing. The amount of stuff she gets should depend on how long they've been together; she only gets half the stuff if it's not her fault; …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 12:34 AM
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Everyone belongs in one of the pills already. Whether they know it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 12:12 AM
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Not really. Love makes the transaction cheaper, but both will always be there in any lasting relationship. Love is when you put the other person on your scale of values. If the other person needs X, it's as if you need X yourself. X becomes a goal to you because helping the other person achieve her goals is a goal for you. That doesn't mean you should keep doing that forever or that there's no difference in intensity. It's possible to love someone more or to love someone less. That doesn't mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:41 PM
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Most assumptions are wrong here. It's not true that "only a tiny percent of men have a real chance with them." Few men have the constant opportunity of casual sex with reasonably attractive women. But most men have a good chance at everything else, and many seem satisfied. It's not true that many men "haven’t simply given up." Most successful men, after 30 years of age, in my social circle who are not Chads haven't married yet. They do have casual sex every once in a while, but they're otherwise…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:31 PM
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People say this is due to men not being able to find a wife and deprived of company I don't think most men say that's their rationale for any of the common arguments we usually see here. I've only seen that as a rationale when someone was quoting some very extreme incel. At least most men I know can still get laid, etc, but they still say most women are making bad choices, and that's the reason they don't get into long-term commitments.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:41 PM
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Short flings don’t count either. It’s the same as ONS. The most common strategy for men is to not throw away free sex and keep coming because for sex until she asks for anything in return. It’s basically the male equivalent of going back for the same prostitute who’s 10/10 in looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:09 PM
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with no children If even this is a luxury now, I would choose to retire
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:16 AM
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Maybe men just need to adapt to our 21st century style of living. That's impossible in a zero-sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:15 AM
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If that were true and "get" means sex, then almost all women are 10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:14 AM
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"Your league is what you can get" Nop. Your league is what you can get to do what you want when you want it (saying "I don't want it right now" doesn't count either). I can pay a prostitute who's 10/10 in looks to have sex with me. That doesn't mean I'm a 10/10 just because I "got it". There's no effort involved in that. Almost any woman can offer a Chad who's 10/10 in looks to have sex with her, and she'll get it. That doesn't mean she's a 10/10 just because she got it. There's no effort involv…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:13 AM
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Lol like being married is the goal for all women Maybe it's not. Even better. The problem will fix itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:09 AM
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"Settling" implies the other guy was an option. It wasn't. That's what makes it delusional. Not that the guy is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:08 AM
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If by "them" you mean someone who won't abuse you, then yes, you're partially correct. If Chad often turned out to be Prince Charming after sex, none of these discussions would even exist, would they?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:05 AM
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Sometimes, they don't even say the word. They assume. You make a comment, and they reply something like, "That's why you can't get into relationships." lol If you say you *are* in a relationship, they'll reply something like, "No, you're not". lol
/r/MensRights02/07/24 02:03 AM
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I don’t know if there’s a better term for “dating market”. But it is a thing. Not everyone wants to be with everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:27 PM
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Stoicism (in that format that's now famous on youtube) is AI generated cope for incels disguising as MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:59 AM
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This ship has sailed. Like a long time ago in this sub. If it makes you feel any better, this has nothing to do with "value" regarding human rights, and there's no reason to conflate the two. It just refers to how the person is perceived and ranked by people of the other sex. Instead of high-value men/women, we could say "men/women who are viewed by women/men as being in a high percentile if hypothetically non-parametrically ranked by the dating preferences of other women/men." You can see why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:57 AM
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People that engage in casual sex rarely get tested That's a big part of what makes it casual. If you both agree to wait for tests and then you have sex, that sounds very not casual to me. If you haven't spent your days behaving like that in the past, just run from these people if they try to trick you into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:48 AM
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The only difference you could mention is quantitative. It's correct, but it does not change the principles. I could even mention lots of cases of more classy prostitutes and less classy promiscuous women where those probability distributions cross. More expensive prostitutes don't usually fuck multiple men the same day. And many promiscuous women have no problem having sex with more than one man on the same day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:39 AM
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Most people against prostitution are also against casual sex Unfortunately, that's not what I've seen in the comments here, but I agree with everything else you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:33 AM
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They talk like it's possible to marry someone who will always make as much money as you. And when that doesn't happen, someone will take advantage of it. Even worse, the one bringing in more money is taking advantage of the situation. No wonder these people have to discuss relationships so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:31 AM
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Most attractive older men never have a problem with that, and most ugly older men will have a problem with it. That's all there is to it. If you look good, the topic won't even come up. They won't even know for a long time. If you know people in their 30s and 40s who look good, hang out with them, and you'll see no one cares. People tend to date others their age because that's who they're likely to meet. Not because of some laws of the universe. This sub is very repetitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:22 AM
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I do see a relationship between morality and autonomy over your body. And I guess most people also do in practice regardless of what they say. Anyway. Funny argument. Your argument was kind of the opposite: that paying for it made a difference because doing it for free was ok. But I wouldn’t eat dog turd for free. So the example just makes it worse. That is: casual sex is a negative and people are doing it for free. You could say it’s not moral, that it’s just icky, and it’s just about sex, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:28 AM
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It’s funny Rollo, TRP father, just released a video against stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:23 AM
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“In such a way” moves the goalpost and makes it a circular argument not based on principles. Whatever I say is obviously going to be the same thing or not “in such a way”. But that’s irrelevant. Because the problem has never been whether it’s in “such a way”. The problem is whether the act is morally neutral. If it is, there’s no problem paying for it. If it’s not, it’s wrong do it for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:17 AM
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If they don’t like you for “who you are”, it’s no different from paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:23 AM
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One doing nothing is a different thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:21 AM
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To be fair, all posts in this sub are very repetitive. There are just so many points to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:15 AM
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No one cares. No one says anyone cares. I have no idea why you keep asking that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:06 AM
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I can’t even… No one cares if they die out. But if they died out they wouldn’t exist, would they?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:04 AM
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Isn’t the point of not duplicating efforts exactly doing less than they would do alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:03 AM
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Males want females to approve them and vice versa. The ones that don’t do that eventually die out. That’s basic evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:01 AM
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There’s nothing about it that mandates that aren’t allowed to enjoy it. Not enjoying it is independent from the previous argument about it being access to your body. And if casual sex is morally neutral, it wouldn’t be unlike any other job. I don’t want to work either, but I don’t it for the money and what it do is not morally reprehensible so that’s ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:00 AM
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Yes. That’s how all species survive. Do you really think women deep down wear all that makeup for other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:56 AM
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But I’m not comparing being paid for different things where one is demeaning and the other is not. I’m comparing getting or not getting paid for the same thing, regardless of how demeaning it is. In other words, allowing access to your body for nothing or for money, already assuming there’s nothing special in any of the two situations (ie.: it’s casual). If this is morally neutral, it would be stupid not to accept the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:54 AM
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Most comments against prostitution would serve perfectly against casual sex in general 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:36 AM
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So it’s like casual sex for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:35 AM
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Is there any evidence most prostitutes are trafficked from somewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:32 AM
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You think women like you for who “you really are”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:31 AM
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If people can accept being clearly used (meaning, people who want nothing other than sex) for free, why can’t they do it for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:30 AM
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There’s a huge difference between wanting women to depend on you and not caring about her income. I don’t want women to depend on me but I don’t care if she depends on me because I might value other things more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:28 AM
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Each claim either is a strawman or begs the question. 1) begs the question 2) begs the question 3) strawman 4) strawman and begs the question 5) strawman and begs the question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:25 AM
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I hear that a lot but it doesn’t make sense to me. It’s just like lying about anything else. Like lying about a degree I don’t have or any trait. It’s very hard to do it effectively for a long time. To hide this kind of stuff I’d have to hide the kind of lifestyle you used to have, which means you’ll have to hide your friends, and so on and so on. It’s just exhausting. And, in the end, what do you get? You get to be with someone who wouldn’t be with you if they knew who you are. About your last …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 03:06 AM
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Someone might be in your league but not want a relationship That's what "when you want him to do it" means. I granted that at the start, and it has nothing to do with anything else I said about how to measure "leagues." Sex is cheap for men, so getting sex from men represents nothing about how he values you. On the other hand, no man who has a chance to propose to a woman worthy of a relationship will miss that chance. First, because that's very rare. Second, because that's what being worthy of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:46 PM
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He’s in your league if you can get a committed relationship from him when you want him to do it. Saying he’s in your league because he accepts to have sex with you is like a man saying he’s a 10/10 because he paid a 10/10 in looks prostitutes to have sex with him. Men rarely deny free sex, just like prostitutes will rarely deny sex to a customer that pays properly. There’s no achievement in any of that, so there’s no inference about leagues. Both people will get what they want nearly 100% of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:33 AM
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There’s no contradiction between these things and all authors have always discussed all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:27 AM
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That's the biggest red flag for men and women. If all your relationships suck, the only thing in common among all your relationships is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:59 PM
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The question answers itself. If enough men say they are mid, then they’re not really widely considered attractive by definition. If only few men say they are mid, then the explanation is that they are exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:53 PM
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I’m pretty sure “boundaries” is not what men complain about the “baggage”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:32 PM
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80/20 is a rule of thumb. It’s a way of saying something follows a Pareto distribution. It’s never 80/20 in practice, and that’s okay because that would be missing the point. It was more like 64/20 in online dating, IIRC, but that’s entirely beside the point. The point is that females of almost all species invest heavily into having access to the best male available. They do that because their minimal parental investment is high. This high minimal parental investment is especially true in our sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:50 AM
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I don’t agree with it either. The only reason you “agree” with it is because you’re defining it in an ambiguous way that conflates hypergamy with “liking better things”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:11 AM
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Your statement is ambiguous. Everyone likes the top 40% less than the top 20%, 10%, 5%, or 1%. All humans and beings want more and better stuff and relationships. This statement is so evident that it’s useless. 20% is just an arbitrary number there. And that's not what analogous statements for women mean—both men and women like the opposite gender in a Pareto distribution. The curve for women is sharper because of supply and demand and the way sex is more costly and riskier for women. That's all…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:22 PM
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Kind of. What you said is literally correct because the statements could be considered to be about different subsets of women. But I answered the way I did because the comment you were originally replying was about most women. The original comment was about most women and so was my comment. If your comment was also trying to talk about most women, then my experience is not the same. But if your comment is only about the subset women who do not lie, then it’s kind of unrelated to what it was tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:12 PM
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It's also funny that it's a non-falsifiable hypothesis. If the man's body count is low, he's insecure. If the man's body count is high, he's hypocritical. You're simply not “allowed” to care in public because upsetting women for any reason is the worst crime possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:06 PM
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Well. That hasn't been my experience. I care about it; finding out always takes a whole investigation. They would lie, avoid the topic, and complain about any question that would allow me to infer anything. Their rationale is they do want the relationship, but it's too late to change the past when they thought it wouldn't matter. So these are the same women. But they are the same women at different points in time. And they think it's ok to lie because they probably see you as a betabux who shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:04 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen any man say he cares. At worst, I've seen men laughing at these women. It’s completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:09 PM
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Yes. I understand. Men’s fault as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:29 AM
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I don't even consider that rejection at this point. Everyone I talk to has a very similar experience. What is worse is being judged once for expressing any emotions and then judged twice for not choosing women properly, even though this behavior is just so typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:19 PM
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Getting burned for the 100th time is not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:59 PM
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In all relationships with women is what I’ve seen. At best, she’ll “accept” it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:49 PM
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All tradicional wives I met have a nice and authentic personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:27 PM
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It doesn’t matter if the relationship is traditional. Showing vulnerability to women is a death sentence to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:26 PM
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100% sure. Just vet men who want to be serious by much they invest and you’ll be fine. Once they romanticize and idealize the relationship, there’s no going back unless you break the idealization (turn out to be promiscuous later on).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:39 AM
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I see no rational or emotional reason for any men to do any of that. Even psychopaths. Just vet the men you meet for his intentions (if that’s what you want) and you’ll be fine. Women who do that is the kind of women most men are looking for and can’t find anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:05 AM
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I don’t think so. The pair bonding stuff is weird. I would say men pair bond much more than women and usually have a much more difficult time moving on. I would never throw away a decent low n count wife with whom I have history and maybe even children together (aka a unicorn jewel I’m protecting) in exchange for some younger degenerate woman I’ll betabux for. Also, only high value men (or people) improve in their 30s because they keep their health while improving in other areas of their lives. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:40 AM
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“Don’t date when you’re young”? At all? Where did you get this advice? What book? What page?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:53 PM
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Not only bottom tier women have hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:19 PM
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This. At least the 20yo is choosing the provider as her (almost) first option.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:08 PM
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What does the word 20yo have to do with that? In your scenario the only thing going for him with women of any age is $$$. No reason to avoid a 20yo at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:04 PM
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It’s important to always ask the questions that could later bother you. Never be shy. If I’d avoid women with high body count all other things being equal, I would also definitely avoid a person that started with me (emotionally) cheating on someone else and monkey branching. In both cases, the actions speak louder than words, but in the second case it’s just too loud. All that discussion and talk about pain can only mean you’re not coming from a mentality of abundance. And if you don’t feel com…
/r/seduction17/06/24 02:10 AM
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There being something wrong is not the same as committing a crime or anything. There’s no concept of “fault” involved. He can self improve, reevaluate his choices or whatever he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:45 AM
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There's no "fault" involved. Being ugly and unsuccessful is not a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 01:53 AM
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Yes. Standards are multidimensional so to speak. 😆 Even this single 1-10 scale is something I don’t understand so well. I think it’s more like you have enough of trait A for B to start to matter and so on. Something like A / looks, B / personality, C / career potential, D / contextual status, E / money, F / intelligence, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:57 PM
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If he thinks women are the prize and attaches his self worth to that, then there’s definitely something wrong with him. That’s when he needs to reevaluate his goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:09 PM
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Even 1/10 or 2/10 women are rejecting him? If that’s the case, it might be worth learning to be alone. Many people are not rejected by 7/10 women and prefer to be alone. Being alone is OK. In the meanwhile, work on your health etc. But always in the mindset that that’s for you, not for someone else. If you’re not ok being alone, if not going to be ok with someone else. This is projection. The things in life to enjoy are going to be the same. If you can’t enjoy them now, you won’t enjoy them with…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:47 AM
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Well. He should be asking himself if there’s something wrong with him. It’s the logical thing to do. Coming up with some self help excuse is not going to help. He needs to reevaluate his goals, if he needs to improve on something, or lower his standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:24 AM
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How could you reach such a stupid conclusion. Of course one can have their anecdotal experiences and also form an intuition about the general case from that anecdotal experience (which is what you’re doing here by the way). Let alone the fact that I mentioned my experience, it’s not even possible not to have such experiences. What would be your alternative hypothesis where I don’t have such experience talking to new people? That I never met anyone in my life? How can anyone be so stupid to use t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:32 PM
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Yes. That’s one of the most common topics to come up when meeting a new person. Not that the way it comes up makes any difference because any argument here could also be used against the “people have hobbies” hypothesis just as well. Anyway, I’m not the one who made the initial claim and failed to provide a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:26 PM
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No source as expected. I could say exactly the same thing. That’s why it’s called anecdotal evidence and it requires a better source. My intuition is most people don’t have hobbies because surviving takes most of their time with energy. Anyway, it’s funny how I never said women don’t have hobbies and you’re already being defensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:38 PM
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No. I ask them what their hobbies are. But ok. No source then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:08 PM
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Of course. Any kind of serious brain issue. A problem no one cares about for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:44 AM
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It's not a debate, there's nothing to debate, this is just a fact of life. Source? Unless drinking and sleeping is a hobby, most people I see don't have any hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:03 AM
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Nah... I've never seen an attractive man / "Chad" who failed to get this right unless he's seriously mentally disabled. "I'm hot and women want me but I just can't get this personality thing right": said zero "chads" in history. Unless "Chad" does something crazy to show he's neurodivergent, women will rewrite his personality for him. When you're hot, being awkward means you're mysterious, being nice means you're nice, and being rude means you're confident. When you're average, being awkward mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:01 AM
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That’s not what they’re complaining about. Some are even voluntarily MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:59 AM
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For the thousandth time. Not the same men. The bottom 80% men have a extremely low body count. That’s not their problem. Women aren’t forced to do anything either. No one is promising everyone will have equal value after an interaction. Let alone people who weren’t even there. The dating market is a competitive zero sum game. It has always been since the beginning of the species. Being part of the game is not any kind of irony. Everyone already knows it’s competitive so the analogy doesn’t make …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:37 AM
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Because it doesn’t. Once you get everything in the attraction category the personality category is just a matter of not being extremely stupid. No effort involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:33 AM
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That’s a lot of text to say alphafux and betabux
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:14 PM
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Not all men accept promiscuous women. This is delusional. Most men will at least choose the least promiscuous woman they can find or at least give it some weight. Many will rather just be single because they can find other promiscuous women at any point anyway. If men are expected to be better in every other aspect just to be accepted, removing romance from the equation in this way just makes any relationship irrational. Men who will accept promiscuous women with no considerations are either ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:03 PM
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What’s unfair is not the sex. It’s blaming the other 80% of men for the benefits and problems the 20% are having and causing. Also not fair when the bottom 80% of women later in life are looking for something serious and look for one of the men also in the bottom 80% and pretend to have another personality, that’s not how things used to work for you so he doesn’t notice he’s being betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:51 PM
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I don’t think it’s about resentment. It’s more about it not being worth it. Without self improvement you’re alone. With a lot of self improvement you’re almost always with someone who’s not worth your time. If after self improvement access is non existent then it was self improvement. It was delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:06 PM
3

We’re all gonna die eventually and you can’t take the number of times you got laid and enjoyed yourself with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:33 AM
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You couldn’t handle her success and independence. Shame on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:20 PM
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Your plans needs a excuse anyway. Better to just start with an excuse already and avoid being called names.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:16 PM
3

This is a false conflict. He’s not complaining she’s a good mom for her children. That’s what men actually look in a wife so she can be a good mum for their children. He’s just saying it’s a bad deal to pay this cost for a child that’s not his. It’s not a “problem”. It’s just not a good deal for a third party. That’s why marriages should be stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:44 PM
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The problem is you’re considering too many things to be “the basics”. The vast majority of people are not lean or have a lot of muscle. I’d say almost none has around 12% body fat and enough mass so that your shoulders are 1.6 of your hips. That must be less than 0.1% of the population. And it’s achievable and it can probably give you about two points. And even better, it’s good for your health anyway so it helps you with whatever problem you’re having. And if you don’t have any major flaw, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:02 AM
2

What societal based issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:58 PM
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Maybe I misunderstood the story. When men are invested, it’s almost impossible for him to undo that many times. For instance, presenting a gf to relatives and then “undoing” it is very costly. I’ve never seen anyone ghost a girlfriend. Also, even if the person is immoral, having sex a single time is not worth a huge investment in terms of time and resources that are invested until something becomes a relationship. Maybe I got it wrong. What I understood the first time was you talked in person bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:49 PM
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What you could have done is just nothing and wait for investment (promises, gestures, words, or simply showing up is not investmentment by the way). It tends to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:35 PM
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That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said. I said I find higher quality women outside the apps and explained the reasons. Even your unrelated statements are absurd by the way. It’s factually not 99% on apps. You don’t have the data outside apps. And you can’t correlate single data points. Only curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 05:46 PM
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I never seen anyone say you have to rescue women who made bad decisions. Quite the contrary actually. All I see is people saying men only do that if they’re desperate. So there’s your answer: don’t be desperate. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:47 AM
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Male hypergamy sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:37 AM
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That’s where / why I get confused. Doesn’t gen z keep saying the economy is much worse for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:16 AM
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There are no good arguments. They just say it’s icky. Most people just ignore it and do whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:16 AM
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We're heading in the opposite direction of what you state. Even poly relationships have rules that define what infidelity looks like. I mean, that's good to know. But that's more of a promise than a contract. Sometimes not even explicit. It's not like the old contracts we had around relationships because 1) there's no way to punish anyone who breaks their promise, and 2) these promises are there so people state what they want: it doesn't regard children or society. Crime is also lower now, than …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:57 PM
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If you're old enough to go to war, you're old enough to date a woman of any age you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 05:53 PM
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I find this confusing. Does being an 8 mean you’re above 80% of people in terms of the proportion of many matches you would get where you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:54 PM
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Kind of. It depends on the "contract" you guys have. If the new rule is that there are never any contracts, which is the direction we seem to be going in, then everyone will constantly be looking for other partners. Most energy will be spent on cosmetic surgeries, crime by people trying to get ahead, and more zero-sum competition instead of things that improve the quality of life for people. People will have fewer children, people will trust each other less, children will have broken families, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:39 PM
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I don’t think the suggestion is “getting off the apps” and doing nothing instead. Many of these comments are also about the quality and not the quantity of dates because you can obviously get more dates by just using the app more. If you just want to find anyone, the apps might be better. If you have some standards, meeting these standards in real life might be easier and at least less time consuming. Without a common social circle, you’re relying only on the person to learn about them. They can…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:15 AM
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I think a few women listed a few things to be fair. Mostly about not being poor and career stuff. Usually things in these categories of things that don’t interest men. But I don’t think they’re being entitled or anything. They’re just following the incentives they got.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:26 AM
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Yes. I never disagreed with any of that. There are women with self control but they are, as you said, usually in relationships or in social circles that are very distant from most people in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:34 AM
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Unfortunately I think the incentive system is broken. It’s not that these women don’t bring enough to the table. They sound like good people overall. And she’s bringing education and a career to the table which is nice. I just think a relationship doesn’t sound appealing to men because the things they’re offering are things he already has and he knows the relationship wouldn’t happen if she couldn’t count on him for these things. What’s worst, education and career are often at odds with things m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:32 AM
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Maybe. I’m talking about what they’re saying. I can’t evaluate that from what they’re saying. I don’t even think that would be a big problem to be honest. That would just mean most will have to make a choice sooner or later. I think most men just care about it as a problem if this preference leads to them having casual sex for a long time and then trying to make that transition from “alphabux” to “betabux” when it’s your turn: a position few men want to knowingly be in. If they were just platoni…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:23 AM
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I've seen some reasonable standards around here, although it is a very biased sub because we have people constantly thinking about this stuff. The problem I see in this thread is less about low-value women with high standards, which is very common in society, and more about women who are successful in their careers and have reasonable standards. Women in this sub tend to have reasonable standards, and they bring a lot to the table regarding "extras" such as money and education. Although money an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:58 AM
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That's not unreasonable, assuming nothing too absurd in the "physically attractive" category. It's just scarce at your age if you're not religious. If it were me, I would look for someone who's not into casual sex. Maybe he just had sex before because he had good evidence things would go somewhere (good evidence - not just wishful thinking), and now he regrets it. By accepting a single previous partner (i.e., body count = 1) at ages 25-29, your dating pool would go from 4% to 18% of the populati…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:49 AM
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There’s no fault. At best, there’s failure to attract. If the man wants to attract but he can’t, he failed to attract. If the woman wants to an attract a specific man but she can’t, she failed to attract him. It’s no one’s fault because there’s no moral imperative that anyone should be able to attract or be attracted to anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:52 PM
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That’s simply not true or very misleading at best: https://www.slate.com/articles/life/moneybox/2015/05/sex_history_calculator_is_your_number_of_sexual_partners_low_average_or.html For any age the histogram follows a Pareto distribution. About half the women and men are interested in and get to have casual sex and half the women and men not that much. The problem is a lot of people are religious and if you’re not, then most women and men visible to you are either interested in casual sex or at l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:28 AM
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If you knew me you’d laugh so much remembering one day you thought I accept their terms. That doesn’t mean I don’t take care of my health anymore. Because that’s useful to me. If you want to keep “calling out women” go for it. I hope you get whatever you’re trying to achieve then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:20 AM
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Net benefit to me besides health, zero. You can't be serious. Nothing is better than health! Stop attaching your self-worth to women, for god's sake. If men weren't as desperate as you are, the problem you're complaining about would fix itself. To continually make concessions for women’s You don't listen! It's not for women! It's for yourself! Being single, healthy, and wealthy is fine. You won't die or anything. it should be called out This moral imperative is arbitrary and a waste of time at b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:47 AM
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Maybe I’ll change my mind but I just reached the conclusion it’s never safe. At best, it’s not helping you at all. There’s a reason men in previous generations used to be quiet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:17 AM
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Yes. No one tells them that. And what’s the result? What’s the percentage of women over 40 who are childless and never married? They don’t mind being single. Learn could learn that from them. To be clear I never told you you HAVE to do any of these things. I told you it would be rational to do these things regardless of your criteria for women and regardless on whether you end up alone. Stop thinking it’s all about sex. Just do the self improvement regardless of where it takes you. It’s simply t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:15 AM
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If that’s the best he can find, then she has negative value to him and he can just be single like many people do. There’s nothing wrong with that. I have zero problem with that. Men and women do it all the time. Now if you think that’s the only rational criteria one can have and that it’s impossible to find a single women who matches that criteria among 4 billion women, that’s where I think you’re being irrational. That’s not true at all. If men just fix their individual problems there would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:58 AM
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I could see someone reaching this conclusion with a different argument. But this is the worst I’ve seen so far. I doesn’t include needs or motivations or anything. Especially when it assumes in this scenario it makes any sense for the top 20% who’s having this awesome life to commit and invest all of his resources into that. This is just irrational. If anything it makes more sense for average and sub5 men to commit because they’re not the ones getting all this free sex and validation in any othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:49 AM
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They’re talking about men. Not about invisible men. Your friends are invisible men. The only role invisible men have in society is paying taxes. If they get to do anything else, they should be very serious about it and thank god everyday for the opportunity that was only supposed to be for men. If still in doubt, Hoe math can explain that to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:19 AM
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Of course it matters. It lets you buy stuff with it. Pussy is not the only thing you need, if you even need it. Money can also help you be better at everything, including all points in your arbitrary list. It’s also correlated with everything positive in your list. You’re not talking about money: you’re talking about money as a replacement for physical attraction. That’s not going to happen. That doesn’t mean money doesn’t matter at any age. Having money is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:53 AM
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I think gold digging is more about only caring about the money, which implies she would cheat on the guy with attractive people and leave the guy on opportunity she had to take his money with her. And then that hypergamy was more like just the habit of looking for someone with higher social status, regardless of other things. Like you could genuinely admire the social status and/or also be physically attracted to the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:04 AM
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What is social success?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 02:59 AM
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A draft for women
/r/MensRights31/05/24 01:37 AM
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The line is throwing a tantrum when you don’t get what you want because you think the world is wrong for not giving it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:34 AM
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I think you understood the opposite of what I'm trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:14 AM
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If it has no bearing on sexual success, why do we need to inculcate that (selfishness and ruthlessness instead of moral character) in children? What if sex is not the sole reason to have moral character?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:26 PM
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What traits do people with light autism have that make it so bad to date them? I suspect I have some light form of autism (hyperfocus, missing some social cues, etc) but that’s my last concern in terms of dating. No one ever cared about it in particular. All problems I ever had were because of something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:17 PM
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It's just a preference in the usual category of "purity" (for lack of a better word) men have. As with all preferences, once reality hits, men and women start making all kinds of concessions. If anything, I think the only problem is when people convince themselves and each other not only that the opposite sex will make concessions but also that they do not have this preference at all. Often trying to silence anyone who tries to say the preference exists. At some point, men and women stop making …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 01:31 AM
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People are diagnosing too much. These psychological categories are not like regular diseases. In a regular disease, there's a cause you want to diagnose and the symptoms you use to diagnose the cause. In psychological conditions, it's impossible to identify the physical cause, so there are traits to categorize conditions for which we can give a name. Still, the association of these traits is not necessarily a disease just because it has a name. It's not a disease because this would be a hopeless…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:25 PM
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These same features are not desirable in women. Female models are usually tall and have well-defined facial features. Also, men and women look best at an athletic body fat percentage with a reasonable amount of muscle. At most, because of supply and demand, some women can pull it off and not become virgins like their male equivalents would.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:41 PM
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Practicality has to be evaluated after attraction. If attraction doesn't come first, you should work on it because you don't want to be in another position. To be clear, that's not to say you have to aim at 10/10s and try to be 10/10s. But please be sure to take care of yourself. Never lose the attraction component or the thing stops being a *romantic* relationship to be a transactional relationship where it's not even a good transaction in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:32 PM
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Is it still "attraction" if it has to grow? I thought it was only supposed to be "attraction" if *attracts* you by itself. If you have to make an effort to be into it, so it's not the thing that attracts you. You made the effort yourself. The problem is that by replacing attraction with something else, the relationship now depends on that thing (money, investment, stability, ...) that can often be easily replaced, and the relationship becomes unstable. The relationship frequently becomes unsatis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:28 PM
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I used to cry if I had to. But then I read lots of posts on Reddit from women saying it's an ick and about how they sometimes left them because of that. So I just stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:58 PM
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They don’t want Chad but settle for betas. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with that. But that’s not what’s happening. They fuck real chads for over 10 years, and do everything for them: even turning a blind eye to obvious infidelity. And then settle for betas for reasons unrelated to real “love” or “attraction” or whatever you want to call it. Betas are asked to go through all kinds of hoops no one else had. They’re also asked to put much more on the table in terms of money and attent…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:48 PM
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Apes didn’t behave like that. That has been refuted decades ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:41 PM
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Probably with a positive connotation. But I don’t think they’re right most of the time. And when they’re right, I also don’t think all sources of confidence are useful to help the person itself, a friendship, or a relationship because these have different requirements. Without further clarification, saying the person is confident doesn’t mean she’s putting anything useful to me on the table. If anything, it just sounds like she expects more from me. I’m not saying it’s not ok for her to be confi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:59 AM
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In the void (that is, without other qualities that justify this confidence), yes. Completely neutral. Same for low self esteem. I have low self esteem sometimes and I think it’s reasonable to feel that every once in a while. Whatever is adjusted to reality seems bad to me. It’s also relevant if the person makes lots of mistakes because of their self-esteem. I’ve seen this go both ways. I channeled my low self esteem into my studies, which I think is a pro overall, compared to what most people do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:45 AM
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I don’t think these options are realistic and my initial instinct was to say “neither”. But since I have to choose one of them I had a look at the adjectives and “trusting” is only adjective that I would say it’s not neutral to me. So A just because of that. You could change all the other adjectives as much as you want and I would still find them equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:19 AM
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Or look for a woman who’s not into hookups?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:28 PM
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Boycotting is not the proper term here. Many but not all just prefer younger women, but that’s one among many other factors and I never seen it be a deal breaker. Also there’s no cartel where all men are trying to do it at once. So it’s not boycotting. It’s just a common thing they see as a pro because of fertility and things correlated to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:24 PM
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Is that online dating? Just leave this thing. Find hobbies and a social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:20 PM
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Unless all you want is casual sex forever, it's impossible to fix OLD. You could even try to match personality traits but fundamental shared values go way beyond that into much more concrete things that are much easier to find in your social circle if you have one. If you don't have one, get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:34 PM
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In this study, what was the minimum level of physical attractiveness for other things to matter? Edit: I found the answer: Unattractive men are doomed, but moderately attractive men surpass attractive men when they have "respectful traits." For reference, attractive men had "pleasing disposition, ambitious, intelligent" traits in condition 2 and "friendly, dependable, mature" traits in condition 6. Being able to surpass attractive men makes sense because attractiveness, like anything else, has d…
/r/BlackPillScience27/05/24 03:58 AM
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No. It's OK to be afraid of men and people in general. I'm a man and fearful of much bigger men in conditions where I couldn't defend myself, or other people wouldn't be able to help, such as a dark alley. People, in general, shouldn't put themselves in a position where they can't defend themselves or get help. This part is not really about blaming the victim or blaming anyone. It's just about trying not to be a victim because being a victim is not good. Even more, people can hurt you nonphysica…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:19 AM
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I think you have a point here. Suggesting abstract self-improvement is one thing. Being clear their success (or lack of success) in dating is strongly affected by a lack of self-improvement is something else. Dating potential does motivate people much more. As you said, you have been in other communities since then. So you'll likely be able to filter what's good or not about that content. Regarding the pills, all pills are correct with a grain of salt, but it's like one stage blocks the next rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:52 PM
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The confessions? (Unless everyone's willing to lie under oath)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:19 PM
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That's interesting. I'm very ignorant about FDS, but the few times I visited the sub, they were recommending the lies I mentioned before. Recommending the lies clearly: not recommending other things that could lead to these lies with plausible deniability. So I would say they have these shit tests and some lies. But yes, we can still say it's a strategy to attract the worst men possible. I can't think of a male friend who would have so little self-respect to pass any of the tests you mentioned. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:00 PM
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You agree with my conclusion that TRP strategies will only attract people with low self-esteem and related problems. I don't understand how this self-serves me as I'm constantly criticizing TRP and haven't even stated my positive opinion in this post. I don't even agree with this men vs. women language people in this sub use. I think there's no such thing. It's all about good people trying to avoid bad people who get in their way. Risking going on a tangent here, if there's anything I'm afraid I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:12 PM
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In real life, I never seen anyone care that much about this. I’ve also dated people much older and much younger than me. The parents met each other and everything. The only situation it would ever come up is if we were making plans for the future. The only times I've seen people discuss this, even online, were this sub and a few memes about Leonardo Dicaprio. Finding someone you like and who shares some of your values is already too hard without these fake limitations. Reddit, let alone this sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:09 PM
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That assumes people say "You should get therapy" only when the other person is complaining about relationships. That's not true at all. Often people say they're fine alone and are OK single and they also hear "You should get therapy".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:02 PM
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You're right. You just made me think about it. They do want relationships, but they want entirely different kinds of relationships. And what FDS is trying to achieve (tricking men into being "betabux") is much more valuable than what TRP is trying to achieve (an extra 2 points in SMV, so maybe your life gets better somehow). The point in which they're similar is that their strategies tend to attract bad people. For instance, TRD inherited some game strategies from their PUA ancestors. These stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:01 PM
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Both come up with strategies to attract the worst people possible. Then they complain about the other gender and do it all over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:27 PM
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You think there would be less or the same amount of pedophilia (“nothing. Why?”) if it were legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:45 PM
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It’s not desperation. They do find most women reasonably attractive. There’s nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:26 PM
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Are they predicting, hoping, or wanting to replace women with something else? How many people in the manosphere want that? It’s the first time I hear about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:25 PM
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Because it might not be worth it otherwise, even if being alone is the alternative. If women fulfill a “traditional” role (whatever that means) usually the man is paying more and she’s giving back in terms of her role, which supposedly he can’t fulfill himself. But if they’re equal in terms of their roles, there’s nothing unique she’s giving back to justify him giving more back. You could say she’s not giving anything unique back but her sex is more valuable because of supply and demand, and he …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:52 AM
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Yes, I agree. If anything, the fact that she doesn't have any money makes her more likely to cheat because the money any other man "promises" her looks way more attractive now that she doesn't have any. But is it a common trait in male psychology or just a characteristic of some males? I'm intrigued because this is the first time I've encountered this discussion. Interestingly, my current sample of two males disagrees with this. 😂 I hope my girl brings something to the table: money or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:52 AM
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Yes. I could see that. So basically to avoid jealousy. It seems to me like there are better ways to avoid that. And that doesn’t seem so effective anyway because if she wants she’ll still cheat on you and it’s even worse because now you’re paying for the whole party. In the other scenario at least she’s doing it with her money. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:42 PM
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Yes. If you’re not balding and don’t have grey hair you’re probably always going to look younger than you are in your 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:40 PM
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No. I’ve seen parents give kids good advice. In my experience, kids with single parents got much worse advice. And even parents who advice them “just be yourself/nice” etc are not always giving bad advice: it’s more like advice that’s no longer as effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:39 PM
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That’s what fathers are for. When they’re good parents I do see them giving them good advice. Mothers are not supposed to do that. Mothers should be giving them attention and loving them. Mothers aren’t even supposed to know about that stuff. Fathers are the ones giving the tough love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:54 AM
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Being mistaken for a teenager in your 30s seems rare because there are too many changes in your body during your teenage years. The closest I've seen were some women in their mid-20s being mistaken for teenagers in the 17-19 range if they're skinny. This is rarer with men because they keep developing muscles in their 20s. Putting these extreme cases aside, it's not uncommon for me to genuinely think people are 10 to 20 years older or younger than they are. This is especially true as people age. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:03 PM
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Men want women to stay home so they can leverage finnancial power over them I never thought about it this way. This sounds like being "betabux" on purpose. I want my wife to stay home only if her income is not contributing at all: for instance, if she makes so little money, daycare for the kids would cost more than her salary. Otherwise, I see no reason not to have the extra income she could bring. I don't know how not having this income would empower me. If she wants to cheat on me, she'll do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:34 PM
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If (i) the man is morally neutral regarding sex and (ii) by "not attracted to" you mean "not attractive enough to be with the person in public but attractive enough to have sex with," then whenever the opportunity is there. This might be every week for some men and every couple of years for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:28 PM
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Yes. I agree treating people as objects leads to bad results for both men and women. That’s actually the reason I was disagreeing with you. Because your original comment was more like “whatever” or “who knows”. But I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation. Regarding the girl you’re seeing, I wish you the best. If I could give my 2 cents based on my very imperfect dating life, I can only recommend you get answers to your most important questions about her before you get too emotionally attac…
/r/seduction21/05/24 03:41 AM
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Some many theories in this sub 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:19 AM
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I don’t agree with the “I really don’t know”. There’s communication, vetting, and reasonable expectations based on numbers and logic. Everything is possible but if she has a high body count that makes it not special by definition because the synonyms are “special, particular, especial, peculiar, occasional” and the definition is “otherwise different from what is usual.” If you’re still special, you’re special despite the sex per se: maybe the way you have sex or something unrelated to sex. Maybe…
/r/seduction20/05/24 07:58 PM
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Huge difference between agreeing with all talking points and being all things in these talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:33 AM
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Insecure 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:32 AM
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Boycotting is a bad idea because it doesn’t work at an individual level. Men should just look for women as decent as possible and learn to look and wait for that. That works at an individual and collective level. I never said being an asshole works for LTRs by the way. And it’s also not a good idea for both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 10:58 AM
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I know they complain about it. And I also know they do it over and over again. Because it’s better than the alternative in the incentive system. They simply don’t prefer the alternative. The men who come later have to handle the baggage. They’re not complaining because they regret their choice. It was the most rational choice after all. They are complaining because they didn’t get what they wanted this time and have to try again. And “Chad” doesn’t leave because he’s unable to sustain a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:46 AM
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It seems like the internet gave gifted you with a distorted view of almost everything in the physical world. The histogram of the distribution of body count by gender and age for any gender and age makes the situation you described impossible. People don’t have nearly as much casual sex as you might think. Many if not most people are very or somewhat religious. They rarely join because of issues related to dating. People who join out of pain rather than love usually have much more serious issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:32 AM
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That costs them nothing. “Chad” leaves and she finds another “Chad”. He’ll just leave. Not beat her or anything. That’s being an asshole. If she does it 100 times and it doesn’t work, it still costs her nothing. She can always try again. Even after many years, if it still doesn’t work, she got sex with “Chad” and can now settle for the same guy that has always been available anyway because supply and demand. It’s the most rational path. If it were so much suffering, they would avoid it, just lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:03 AM
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Women don’t need accountability because supply and demand
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 05:53 AM
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You must be blind
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 05:52 AM
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I could say the same thing again 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 02:32 AM
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I was going to say the exact same thing. 😂 But the list didn’t include looks so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 02:32 AM
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Yes. I was replicating the term she used in the post. For whatever reason, the same conclusion would apply. Someone with a lot of muscle can have a fit body fat percentage and still look fatter than that, like a person with an average body fat percentage. And the reason is quite simple. If the person has a lot of mass, she can have a lot of fat and still fall in the fit category because the muscle compensates for it in proportion to the body fat percentage equation. However, the person still has…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 01:50 AM
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24.8 would be average. It’s neither fit nor obese although it’s close to fit. You might look more like high end average because of the frame. Those women in the picture are much more likely to be in the athletic range of 14-20% and looking more average 24-31% because of the frame as you mentioned while you might be in the average range 24-31% but looking closer to the obese range 31%+ because of the frame. Problem solved. Please note these are medical ranges and average means the person is healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:32 PM
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I've also seen that in my relationships. And I'm not overly political or make any effort to change anyone because I don't care that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:02 PM
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Overly political people are too much almost by definition. That's what overly means: it means it's too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:01 PM
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<image> Do you mean this? I don't think any man has a problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:59 PM
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I’m definitely an ignorant men who doesn’t know what that is. Do you have an example of a woman with low bf % and large frame?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:51 PM
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So back when messaging was equivalent to swiping right and it meant nothing to differentiate anything. All else being equal, who is their right mind, men or women, wouldn’t message the ones they found most attractive first and go down from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:24 PM
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Passing by to prove the point 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:22 PM
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Most men I know have a handful of matches and message all of them. I don’t even see how they would have so much choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 07:50 AM
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Glad to see your opinion changed a lot in the last 30 minutes. It shows an open mind. So OK: it's not unqualified "men" who don't "take the refusal politely" because you "don’t know which men are like that". And it's also a good idea "refuse politely" with the small white lies you listed "to avoid a scene or his overreaction" instead of defending the idea that women should use "rejections that involve humiliation and unkindness ".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 01:22 AM
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Oh. I understand now. You think ALL men are like that. Ok then. Your conclusion is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:58 AM
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Your list is too long. For instance, she won’t always know your penis size before you have sex. All you need to have sex is be attractive. You might need a few of the other things to maintain a healthy LTR though. She’ll often accept zero of the other things if you’re attractive enough. Now from the other side, in a LTR, unless the guy is a complete “betabux”, men usually value women the more she has at least average looks / health, reasonable personality (no serious mental issues), and purity (…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:56 AM
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Definitely not the same men either. I’ve been robbed a a few times and don’t treat everyone as a criminal because of that. It wouldn’t even be useful to avoid criminals because you know: criminals don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:41 AM
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It’s just fear, not liking their self esteem destroyed, not liking becoming the creepy guy in the group if warming approaching, and not liking girls calling the police on you if cold approaching the thousands of times sub5s would have to. Confidence is just like “be yourself” or “have a nice personality”: it’s advice that only “work” for people who don’t need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:39 AM
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Confidence - Skills = Creepy A virtue tends to be located between two non virtuous extremes. A virtue is only a virtue if it’s likely to lead to the best outcome most of the time even if the outcome might be bad sometimes. For instance, eating too much could be greediness but eating reasonably is not a little greedy because the quantitative distinction creates a qualitative distinction that makes it a virtue. Likewise, the distinction between courage and being stupid is quantitative at core acco…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:35 AM
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Do you have an example mentioning "athletes, entertainers, and other celebrities"? All I've seen is people say 5s can easily have casual sex with 7s and 8s. Simple math can show this is impossible for athletes, entertainers, and other celebrities. Just multiply the proportion of people you think are celebrities by the number of times a person can reasonably have sex with different people, and you'll see that's impossible even if the government was mandating celebrities and these women to have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 11:57 PM
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I would assume the proportion of people who have casual sex (sex outside a committed relationship) is much higher than the proportion of people who have one-night stands. In any case, The survey found that 66% of participants have had at least one one-night stand in their life https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/06/157756/one-night-stand-casual-sex-facts#:\~:text=Way%20more%20people%20are%20having,have%20had%20more%20than%20one. Also, some numbers of previous sexual partners are difficult or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 11:53 PM
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I’m not even red pill because i think most of what they say is either obvious (improve yourself), false (person X is going to peak at age Y), not actionable (hypergamy exists, so what?), or without any meaning for the future (enjoy de decay, and then what? What if it’s not enjoyable). But I think there are so many variants of the red pill (game matters vs status/money matters vs looks matter) and the black pill (you can improve it vs you sometimes can improve it vs you can’t improve so lets focu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 05:35 PM
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Yes. It’s a good reason for people not to lie because your friends and going to tell sooner or later. The problems I’ve seen is that you often don’t have a common social circle (cold approach or online dating), some girls don’t have many friends, some girls have new friends that don’t know much about her past (instead of keeping friends from the past), some girls don’t make plans with her friends so often, some friends protect each other and don’t get close to the boyfriend. It’s still going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 05:26 PM
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Nowadays, decency is meant to keep a relationship. Not to generate attraction. You prioritize attraction to start the thing and then decency to maintain a relationship if you want that. Parents do not give terrible advice. It's just that things change very fast, and the best advice they can give is whatever worked at the time. Not long ago, prioritizing decency was smart because people would look for relationship material. Also, there are many other reasons to be a decent person besides dating, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:53 PM
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Oh... Didn't even know about this rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:48 PM
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Even pickup artistry changed a lot over time. Mistery has been considered old school for a long time. Then RDS said it was BS. Then other people said RDS was BS. They were all right in a way: as society changed, what was most effective also changed. If you look at the content, you'll notice how they changed by incorporating more concepts that would later be merged with the red pill or the light version. If you're a Chad following the Mystery script nowadays, at best, you're performing dozens of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:46 PM
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They're going to tell you they have been used not because of the sex per se but because before sex, the guy showed good intentions to invest in a relationship. This is false, but it's what they'll tell you. And it's untrue for two reasons. The first reason is that you can't fake investment. You can fake intentions to invest, but you can't fake investment. When they say "Chad" made promises, most of the time, it just means he showed up for a few dates and was polite to her during the sleepers pha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:08 PM
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Why does your flag say red pill then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 02:04 PM
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Both men and women can cheat if there’s a huge difference in value. That’s all there is to it. The only other practical difference is that women concentrate more on the men they like, so these men have more options than both average women and men. So that makes it more common for men. That doesn’t mean most people can do it and even that there’s no effect on the relationship. Even if there’s a huge difference of value, this difference is now much smaller because there’s cheating going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:17 AM
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I don’t think they care to define what masculinity is or should be. They try to describe the incentive systems we have nowadays as they are (often failing) and anyone is allowed to refuse their conclusions or do whatever they want with these facts. If the facts are correct and the only incentive is to be selfish (I don’t even think it is) then the system is already broken and it’s not their fault. If you think there’s something else that could be done (I think there is) then they’re not helping …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:26 PM
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So, can she have a high body count because she kept getting in love with many people who were not in love with her repeatedly? In other words, let's say many men keep putting her in the category of people he can sleep with as long as there's no investment on his part while she tries to keep them with sex because she hopes there might be a relationship there even though he's making no investment. She does that because she does love them. People complain about this, and that's why love is an insuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:00 PM
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It was NOT about getting married to your virgin bride who loves you in spite of your low self-esteem. This seems like a false dilemma with strawmen. You can read about the incentive systems for men and women, form an opinion, and from there you can recognize you need concrete self-improvement (not just some internal self-esteem) and still not like promiscuity in women (or people) if that's the case (which is very distant from just looking for a virgin bride). People will also have different opin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:35 PM
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Statistically speaking, you really did. The vast majority of people have to compromise a lot or convince themselves their partner is "good enough" (but not great) in one of the two scales.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:46 PM
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I can see it happens worldwide. In western countries if you’re not in church, I wonder what percentage of the dating pool that is. Outside church, I think most people already don’t meet the criteria right after high school just because “it’s what everyone is doing”. About body count, I agree with the point about not being the number. But I was talking about your body count, not hers. And in this case it’s not about the number only because it’s a case of misjudgment on your part. That’s precisely…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:25 PM
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Nop. These guys are busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:20 PM
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Chemistry is just a word they use for attraction so they can pretend they evaluate people on a single scale instead of a 2-axis attractiveness/“good person” scale for short and long term relationships. They’ll usually look for both things in the same person until they give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:04 AM
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Why do you think they wouldn’t sleep with you?
/r/seduction13/05/24 07:18 AM
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How is it a double edged sword? She could have a high body count and be cheating just the same, or faster, or stronger, or whatever. It’s not nirvana but it’s not a double edged sword because that’s not something other people don’t do.
/r/seduction13/05/24 07:15 AM
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I find it hard to believe it's about shame for two reasons. First, I've heard men are incentivized to do it, but what I see is boys figure it out without any instruction. Without even knowing what sperm is. I had no idea of what masturbation was: neither positive nor negative. Men are usually not incentivized at all. Many women were also in a similar situation of not even knowing about the thing, but they just didn't seem to do it as much. Second, if casual sex is as common as this sub makes it …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:25 AM
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I never had sex so women wouldn't know what sex with me is even like Exactly a "not with you" situation. And all of the other "evidence" is just women complaining about men they don't find attractive. Not any men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:20 AM
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I’m still very curious. Heh. What if it takes years for her to tell you because she’s being defensive or recreating old stories as if they were much nicer because she likes you? Wouldn’t that be inneficient and emotionally consuming? And also increase your body count? Also, can you attract anyone outside church at all this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:01 AM
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Yes. That’s a good idea. And that way you can keep your own body count lower. The problem I had is people are defensive to talk about that no matter how you being it up or sometimes just lie by beautifying their stories too much because they want you to like that. I learned if she’s defensive to talk about it I should just assume it’s bad and move on, but took me a lot of time to learn. Still don’t even know if that’s the best strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 11:00 PM
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Chemistry just means she’s as close as possible to 10/10 (considering attraction, personality, etc). It’s impossible to have no chemistry and have everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:05 PM
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What if she didn’t ask for sex first and we’re ok with it but you figure out you would have got the sex if you asked for it, then you have sex after say a year, then you find out she had sex with dozens of people after less than a week because they did ask for it? Wouldn’t that bother you? If so, how would you avoid that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:03 PM
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What if she didn’t ask for sex first but you would have got the sex if you asked for it, then you have sex after say a year, then you find out she had sex with dozens of people after less than a week because they did ask for it? Wouldn’t that bother you? If so, how would you avoid that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:02 PM
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English is not my first language either. The problem here is not language at all. Anyway, we can leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:24 AM
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I see. It seems like India is more like a mix of the secular and religious world. China seems to have made it in a completely secular way. Other Asians countries seem to be a mix. Japan became very similar to the US. South America is awful but I’m beginning to notice it’s much less worse than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:22 AM
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Yes. I can see you’re lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:17 AM
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You said you don’t know about the west so I assume you’re talking about some other society. In religious societies this is easier to understand. But I’d like to know if the case you’re mentioned is about a secular society and what you think caused it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:17 AM
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It’s basic supply and the demand. Besides all the obvious empirical evidence we had since the invention of this thing, if the relationship between the price of sex going down and there being more demand for sex is not obvious, I don’t know what to tell you. Again: mentioning examples of people who are not having sex is irrelevant. Just like saying “Apple are cheaper but I know a lot of people who didn’t eat an apple today” doesn’t refute supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:15 AM
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What’s his age?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:10 AM
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There being many reasons for women to be on it and not promoting promiscuity are two completely unrelated facts. The relationship with promiscuity is very obvious. The obvious fact that not 100% of people on birth control are having sex 100% of time has nothing to do with that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 06:09 AM
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What if she wanted sex first? You’d tell her to wait?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:58 AM
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Do you mean secular people who want it in a secular society?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:56 AM
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Great idea but sounds technically difficult if you don’t have a social circle of people who think similarly, and that seems hard to achieve outside church. It’s quite hard even in church actually. Maybe I’m wrong. I’d like to be. The second best option is to look for people who don’t have casual sex: the internet makes it seem like this group is much smaller than it actually is. You can see that from those statistics on body count etc. the problem here is I suspect there’s also a good intersecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:54 AM
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It never became harder/easier. You just shouldn’t harass them. In other words, don’t cold approach if you’re ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:27 PM
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Exactly. No one ever asked “what’s the probability a younger woman would be disgusted” or anything like that. The question is always about why they complain about age gaps in healthy consensual relationships and the red herring starts because they can’t justify their anger or envy. Men list hundreds of cases as evidence it doesn’t matter, older women start the red herring, and in the few cases where it’s actually younger women also saying they don’t like it they usually change their mind once yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:22 PM
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By that logic, no one would ever cheat. If the relationship is good, there’s no reason to cheat. If the relationship is bad, there’s even less reason to cheat because you should just leave. People don’t cheat because it’s good/bad+rational. People cheat because relationships are better/worse rather than good/bad, people are greedy, some have hopes they might find something better, some are delusional about their value but still afraid to lose what they have, some simply don’t care about others, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:15 PM
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This sounds overly complicated. Finding a girlfriend is typically so hard that throwing away a relationship because she’s too secure sounds absurd even to the most psychopathic person in the world because there’s no incentive to do that even for this person. It’s way more likely that the other person just got burned and interpreted this situation this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:03 AM
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Where did he say he’s not banging hot 25 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:16 AM
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If not looks, what is the reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:06 AM
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I think the post is about couples that already like each other and people who complain about it anyway. If you don’t like other men that’s your prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:04 AM
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I’ve been in this situation many times (about 10 years gap) and the parents never cared at all. They loved me. I just have to be nice and have good intentions. If you were creepy she wouldn’t be with you anyway. Also her friends didn’t care. My friend didn’t care. No one cared.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:59 AM
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I obviously wasn’t disagreeing with the statement that lying is wrong. That would be retarded. I was obviously disagreeing with the motivation to assume it’s perfectly OK to imply every time a man has casual sex and the girl has her hopes up it means he’s being lying. The original post was about that and the implication that these men are always being deceitful was the attempt to refute the post. I’ve watched it happen in real life hundreds of times with no lying involved. Even the person who ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 12:26 AM
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I think this is gold digging only if the holding out is just for him. It’s not even gold digging, men will see that as manipulative regardless of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:08 PM
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I don’t think men who like traditional women like them because them because they have lower standards. Unless they are delusional. I think they like them because they think it’s actually worth meeting their standards in the sense that they’re given something back for the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:07 PM
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That’s also ok. But well… no deception then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:32 AM
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Showing up is not investment. It’s the bare minimum. They can’t have sex remotely. Being attractive is not investment in her either: it’s a prerequisite. Or better yet, it’s the minimum investment necessary on average to get sex by your own description. If you only asked for that, he’s not invested. If he’s not invested (or only invested the bare minimum) and you’re having sex you know what you’re doing. He’s not being deceitful or at best is only being deceitful in a way that would trick people…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:20 AM
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Chad at 1AM: “come over” Women: comes over Woman one month later: “all men are so narcissistic and deceitful about intentions” Woman ten years later: I don’t understand this talk about accountability People can’t fake investment. He’s not invested if he’s not invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:11 AM
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I’m a man and I don’t keep saying it the way you described. All men I know also don’t. Even if men did say that, your argument makes no sense at all because it would apply to men of any age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:19 PM
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That’s the worst argument I’ve seen about anything this year. Assuming there’s a strong wall at 30 that makes you worthless (I don’t think there is, I don’t even think red pill guys say that in this sense of worthless, but it’s your assumption in the hypothesis) you’d be less valuable to both younger and older men (again, assuming that’s a problem) so that can’t be the criterion. At best, it would make no difference. At worst, you would lose value precisely when the guy is most likely to leave y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:10 PM
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I hate women with low self esteem. They cais so many unnecessary problems and they’re usually doubting everything. On the other hand, I can see someone saying they like low “self esteem” if they inappropriately associate it with arrogance, being delusional about their SMV/RMV (being FWB for years in the hope he wants a relationship even though he made zero investment), or not believing she needs to contribute in the relationship (“I’m the table”).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:28 PM
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Because they have always been richer. That’s how they became providers in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:59 PM
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I think it’s not the providing. It’s about being able to provide, which is shown via the providing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:57 PM
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I find it perfectly reasonable to speculate (ie think) about it, especially when you’re investing everything you have in such a relationship for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:59 AM
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You should have linked that image in the post
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:48 AM
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I see men thinking about it all the time (not red pill men or any pill by the way) and make huge decisions based on how they feel about it. I’ve rarely seen men rant about it: they are mostly either sad about it or just concluding relationships aren’t worth it. I also don’t think OP is delusional because he posted pretty good evidence. It's weird you never thought about it being in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:46 AM
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It’s much worse than before but you can still get into something that’s good for the children by carefully choosing the terms and the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:10 AM
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🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:58 PM
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I see. In a way, it’s a good thing it didn’t work or you’d be dorky forever. 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:33 PM
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As long as it’s working and you’re honest it’s win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:29 PM
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And do they know or eventually find out you didn’t use to play hard to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:24 PM
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Might be. I dated many women and at the same time laugh at many other women who are delusional and make bad choices. I see no contradiction here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:09 PM
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Well, that would just be another contract. There’s no point in saying contract A is bad because contract B is bad and B is what people are doing in practice. This would be a meaningless verbal debate. Anthropologically, the reason for marriage is to give children stability. There was no marriage before then. Societies that didn’t have this problem (lack of land / resources) didn’t have marriages either because attributing children to individual parents were not important for population control. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:36 PM
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Where did he say he’s not getting any action?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:28 PM
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Maybe. It disrupts it at least in the sense that cheating might lead to a child from another dad coming to this family (the dad didn’t agree to pay for someone else’s kid) or another family would have this problem (the mum didn’t agree to marry a dad who now needs to support a child in another family). Emotional cheating is probably not enough reason though, or only in the sense that it might lead to the other kind of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:03 AM
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Of course that can be true. It could even be true that kids would be in a more stable environment if the parents never got married. There’s no need for marriage if that’s the case. That’s the fault-based part of the contract. The contract would actually put the mum in a better position because it would be his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:59 AM
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Because marriage is a contract for the benefit of the children. The whole point is to purposefully get into a contract that’s difficult to leave so the kids have a stable environment. So it’s for their benefit. Not for the benefit of the couple let alone for “love” whatever that means. If you want a relationship for the benefit of the couple you can leave at any time with no fault, that already exists: it’s called not getting married. There’s no point in making marriage the same as not being mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:31 PM
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The problem with all these psychological “diseases” is the only criteria to identify the disease is the symptom. So the symptom and the disease became synonyms. When you list some traits and say these people are narcissistic or any other traits you’re basically saying nothing or “people who have these traits have these traits”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:33 PM
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Not with same weight and no priorities. No. And demonstrated behavior is that looks and money come with higher priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:12 PM
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If looks and money make it not love, then almost no one is dating for love
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:10 PM
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So things started working out after you started playing hard to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:07 PM
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It’s not transactional because you need all the components of the transaction and also hit the gym so it’s “real love”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:14 AM
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True. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:44 AM
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I think when people say it’s “too much” it’s more about being a lot of muscle with high body fat %. Not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:30 AM
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There’s an optimal point after which you get diminishing or even negative returns. Probably around 12% body fat and a reasonable amount of lean mass and that’s it. You need to work on something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 11:11 PM
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Undesirable men with high body counts? I reported that? Ok then. Why would you have to lie if they don’t even care? Anyway. Never mind. Whatever you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:32 AM
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Ok then. I guess it’s that fantasy that men discussing body counts are all insecure for having low body counts and when you prove they have high body counts now they’re hypocritical. Whatever you need to convince yourself it doesn’t matter because they’re not “allowed” to care either way. Never met a man IRL who doesn’t really care although I met many men who say they don’t care in public because it’s convenient to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:19 AM
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I see it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:14 AM
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That’s not what people mean by settling. Of course everyone is settling relative to their theoretical perfect preferences. Only women are often settling relative to the subset of all men interested in having sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 10:10 PM
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Promiscuity ≠ body count
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:40 PM
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What about the men who don’t want kids? Don’t date these men if you want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:29 PM
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They agreed to it. She preferred to have a child with no relationship and he’s agreeing to pay his share. He’s usually taking care of one of his children physically, but he can’t take care of all of them because that’s physically impossible. Other children can only be helped financially. That’s the contract. What they’re both doing is perfectly legal. She preferred this legal contract over the contract with someone else less attractive who would offer a relationship first and then take care of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:25 PM
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How’s it lack of accountability? He’s respecting the contract. They had a child without a relationship and he’s paying what he owes. What else is he accountable for?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:06 PM
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If you’re only worried about the “contract”, the “contract” is also very clear the father doesn’t have to stick around as long as he pays.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:58 PM
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I think it’s not that complex. In most cases, “they” just have low standards for “Chad”, give him everything while he’s putting no effort at all and making no promises at all, and when he moves on they blame “men” for sucking and “manipulating” her even though “Chad” made no promises at all. It’s very clear she put herself in this position because “Chad” made no promises and was just enjoying what she was giving him for free. In that case, she should take accountability instead of recreating the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:16 PM
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The investment you mention is much higher than zero investment. People who have jobs and friends can’t go to parties all the time, not all girls are going to like you even if you’re great, not all girls are into one night stands and so on and so on. Going from a match to a date on tinder having the same conversation over and over is also boring. Then going on dates. And that’s even assuming you’re a top 0.01% guy, which you are probably not by definition. A guy closer to the median would not onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 05:57 PM
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The “peak” is about potential. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 05:21 AM
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I agree the first group might also look for good wives later in later. At the same time I guess they’ll also say “not the same women” because these women also play a part in it as they could solve the problem simply by vetting people slightly more. I disagree the second group doesn’t even talk to women: there are many men who don’t have problem talking to women and are not into hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:18 PM
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Exactly. In terms of intentionality, there’s no difference between 1 and 2, but 2 is way more common (because men have no incentive to just throw away free access to sex most of the time) and easier to rationalize (because time itself allows it to be retroactively reframed as if they were really trying to achieve something slightly meaningful here). Even if it’s not rationalized as trying to achieve something, it’s often rationalized as someone misleading the other even when no promises have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:43 PM
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Exactly. Why make a whole new investment to get meaningless sex from someone else while you can just stick around until the ultimatum. That’s what I’ve seen “alpha”s do 90% of the time. There was never any promise of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:15 PM
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The final conclusion is not true because these are not the same men. Statistically one group of men “ruins” the girl while the other group is looking for a “good” girl. I think most people would be fine if these were the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:12 PM
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Averages are useless for numbers of sex partners because that has a Pareto distribution. You have to look at the median. The studies also include numbers for age ranges, so polls including senior women is not a problem. When you look at the histograms, you’ll see people are not as much into hookup culture as most people on Reddit think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:34 AM
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This is the first time I hear of someone receiving threats for stating their opinion on women’s issues. Or punched in the face. Your experience seems to deviate from the norm for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:24 AM
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Nice strawman. No one says she can't get men, she just stop having any chance to get the men she wants. Do you really think woman value commitment of beta billy provider? </thread>
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 01:06 AM
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I heard a few men say this but always found it weird. And I’m sure most of my friends would find it weird. Maybe that’s a view that’s over represented online. I’m not sure. The only reason I might avoid a successful woman is if this success took too much time and now she’s too old to start a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 11:50 PM
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I don’t think they’re misleading anyone. They’re saying they’re only offering sex. That literally means they are only offering sex. There’s no lying or misleading. If women are blind because they’re horny that’s on them. It’s a choice they making for a men who’s offering nothing in return but himself. The guy didn’t say he admires her and only offered sex: there’s no misleading here. No one is ever going to go “ok… let’s have sex but to be clear I’m 10/10 and I think you’re 5/10 and I’m only doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 11:11 PM
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I think the pride in the first case is just human pride. Not male pride. In the second case, I guess they’re saying it would be nice if they were willing to contribute and stick around when things are bad. They don’t even necessarily have to contribute. But everyone’s different. These are just common patterns. They don’t represent a contradiction because they’re not the same people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 10:00 PM
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Oh. That’s so vague and useless it could apply to any verb then. It’s even worse than I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:51 PM
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Why does everyone die alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:47 PM
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Yep. But I don’t think they’re faking connection or anything most of the time. They’re just not expressing contempt or anything because they’re being polite. There’s a huge distance between being polite (not listing everything negative you see in a person for no reason) and faking connection. Apart from that, they’re just being themselves. These people who fuck dozens of women in a semester don’t even have time for faking connection: it might even reduce their chances by making it less casual or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:21 PM
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At a societal level, it’s not unreasonable but it’s impossible as/if women earn more and more and have more and more education (that depends on your demographics). At an individual level, I think people (men and women) just want partners who are coherent in terms of how “tradicional” (whatever that means) they are instead of cherry picking equality or tradition only when it benefits them. In any case, no preference is unreasonable. Even height.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:07 PM
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I don’t think they’re bastards at all. It just looks like default behavior to me. If a 9/10 is more than happy to fuck a 5/10, why would he keep telling her he wouldn’t consider her for a LTR? At most he’ll tell her he’s not looking for a relationship but everyone knows he would accept a relationship from a 9-10/10 he likes. I just noticed your blue pill flag. In any case, I’ve lived in a fraternity for a long time. A few men would fucking dozens of women in a semester. Many few would only get l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:00 PM
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The girl is almost never aware of the contempt. There’s no reason for him to show contempt. The relationship between men and women are not symmetrical. She’s doing the choosing. If they’re together it means she likes him enough for that. For him who didn’t do the choosing, it just means he’s not bypassing this opportunity of free sex. He may or may not like her. But he obviously will show no contempt because that would only make him lose this opportunity. In practice, he just won’t show any inve…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:41 PM
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I think it’s more like he’s not showing any sign of respect for her than openly disrespecting her. Men will hardly disrespect someone who’s fucking him for no reason. Even if he despises her. It doesn’t make any sense. But I see a lot of men fucking women for who they have no respect at all and they don’t pretend to have any respect. They will most of the time describe these women in very negative ways to their friends and share many intimate unnecessary details. I think these women see these me…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:56 AM
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I’m also very confused 😂🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:52 AM
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I don’t see that happening or my answer including any instance of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:18 PM
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Wanting is free. Most men I know still want that. Even I do. But they don’t care that much and would rather be single than marry a woman with lower “RMV”, unlike they would accept it with sex. I hang around a few 9-10/10 men and a lot of 6-8/10 men. They could have sex with a 5/10 woman but would never have a relationship or get married to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:12 PM
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Well, it your case I guess it just makes sense because you don’t engage in “casual” sex so that’s coherent. But I don’t think this generalizes to all women for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:01 PM
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Mmmm. I’m not sure everything else you said about relationships generalizes from sex. I don’t see men that desperate for relationships at all at least in my group of friends. Only very low value men would do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:58 PM
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And I agree with that. Have always had. It actually blows my mind every time I see so many people here discussing casual sex precisely for this reason. But that doesn’t answer the rest of the sentence where I explain why I don’t think women really consider it to be such a useless power.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:50 PM
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I think they only downplay how good the ability to have easier sex is. They’ll say something like “it’s just someone shoving his penis on you for 2 minutes” as if it’s not something that desirable, but at the same time many women still have a lot of casual sex voluntarily so it can’t be that bad at least when “alpha” is involved or whatever. If that weren’t the case, these pills wouldn’t even exist. Apart from that, I don’t think women have many other benefits. They’ll only get the other benefit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:35 PM
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Most initial conversations I have with people of all ages are very superficial. And conversations with friends depend much more on values than shared experiences and tastes. None of that has much to do with age. I had friends that were much younger and much older.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:42 PM
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Red herring too much, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:36 PM
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These are flaws, not “compatibility” issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:35 PM
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For people who got married as virgins? I highly doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:33 PM
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What’s sexual incompatibility? I have the impression people over complicate sex. All animals have sex. It’s not that complex. At most, humans have to care a little more about her orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:22 PM
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Not what “random” means
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:12 PM
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Even that, which has nothing to do with RD again, is false. You can’t measure how many people are red pill and don’t spend a lot of time online. You’re simply not seeing them. For all we know, these men we see online could be only 1% of red pillers. Most red pill and mgtow men I know have never been on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:08 PM
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I’m not red pill so I can’t say what it does for me. All the rest are extra assumptions you’re making and no one will give you an answer because they only exist for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:59 PM
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Yes. Difficult for average men by definition. Not difficult for you. Working out is never a waste of time because it has lots of health benefits besides women. If you have no women and don’t intent to, working out is still great. Most MGTOW also recommend working out. Working out is not struggling: it’s just living a good life. It’s only “struggling” in the sense that improving oneself involves some work that everyone should be doing anyway. Not struggling in the sense of being depressed or not …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:54 PM
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You keep assuming people have to be struggling to be red pillers. This is not true at all. Red pillers are people who believe certain things regardless of how successful they are with women. You can believe women are hypergamous and still believe you’re the one they’ll choose if you work out properly. There’s no contraction at all there. You can spend time on the internet discussing these issues for fun or just because you think it might make your life slightly better. You don’t have to be strug…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:45 PM
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At best this proves that not all women conflate RMV with SMV all the time. Not that women don’t generally conflate them. By talking to them it seems like they often conflate and it does have a huge emotional impact (baggage). It also makes her chances with men of the same value harder in the future. Most likely they just know the difference when it’s huge. Like a 3/10 woman with a 9/10 man who doesn’t even treat her nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 04:06 PM
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I’m failing to even see what the pro in the first option is. The first option liking me and supporting me is the least I would expect from someone so low value in comparison. That’s not even a thing. For the second option, it’s all great. Attractive and emotionally stable are always the main factors. Then she has good self esteem, which she should (and I would guess that self esteem is probably why she doesn’t have the same unresolved baggage). The only way I can see the 2nd option having any co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:05 PM
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This seems too anecdotal for the conclusion it’s trying to reach. Men suicide rates are much higher than women’s, but most people still don’t suicide no matter how bad their situation is. Many men are fine alone or even prefer it. I’m not even sure the suicide issue is mostly related to loneliness. If you ask me, I’d guess suicide rates are high because of how hard life can be sometimes at a survival level or concerning meaning much more than anything related relationships. I’d also guess men ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:55 PM
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There are many times (orders of magnitude) more trans women than (cis) women where I work. That’s how bad it is. Women have as much equal opportunities but I just don’t think they like computers as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:37 PM
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How does that answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:33 PM
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What would you be getting from his ignorance that you wouldn’t from an older man? What is he losing when you do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:26 PM
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What would you be exploiting from him in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:22 PM
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Then I’m fucked. There are a thousand men for every woman where I work. I’m not exaggerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:01 PM
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The “best version of himself” is a vague expression. If that means the “best version of himself without much work” that’s probably just something that sucks and he’ll die as a virgin. So again, his only option would be changing. Also, it’s been decades since I last seen anyone recommend men should try hard to change their personality. OP’s post is also clearly not about changing a man’s personality. Trying to change their personality is a waste of time. It’s low effort, it doesn’t work and it do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:47 PM
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Of course women would like someone who’s successful without even trying (almost non existent by the way). He can either try hard or give up on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:34 PM
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I don’t think they’re counting the invisible non-alphas when they say that. They’re talking about the alphas she lets get away with it. She would like them (not other males) to put more effort (instead of pumping and dumping). 99% of males have nothing to do with this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:21 AM
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They’re not hating women. They’re making fun of these particular women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 03:12 AM
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Hypergamy is not only about money. In any case, considering money as a component of the equation, it’s easier for women to be hypergamic at these places. In poor places it’s common for most people to be poor while people with advanced degrees tend to make orders of magnitude what other people make because they always have the option to leave. The country being poor usually means the distribution of wealth is even worse. And it’s hard to “fix” that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:50 PM
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I’m not sure why this isn’t discussed here more This is discussed here every single day. It's boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 05:53 AM
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I think men can _potentially_ age better (meaning "look like he didn't age") than women because they can repose their testosterone almost indefinitely and take care of their skin, which already takes a bit longer to start losing collagen. Hormones don't work as well for women because testosterone is going to be a big change for them and other hormones might even make them age faster. However, in practice, women are probably going to age better than most men because they simply take better care o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:00 AM
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I think people on Reddit are already biased because they are a “special” niche demographic. Then people on this sub are even more biased because they are a sub demographic of the first demographic strongly interested in justifying their ideologies or past mistakes. You put two and two together and it’s easy to see why people over here strongly overestimate how promiscuous most people are. They’re just looking at the long tail of a Pareto distribution and don’t understand the difference between t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:03 PM
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There are dumb reasons but no invalid reasons, whatever that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:04 PM
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emphatically believe it is completely unnecessary for the father to live with the child What?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 05:36 AM
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Good news is you’re probably in the top 20% if you’re not obese. Bad news is being in the top 20% is probably not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 04:24 AM
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Women making the first move is not a strategy to help men be picked when they're shy. That's their problem. It's a strategy to help women have more optionality by also giving them the possibility of choosing a good partner who hasn't approached them. That makes things more not less competitive for men because women have even more optionality and therefore more opportunity to choose what they consider to be high value in their environment. And that's OK. I don't think anyone is lying about that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:19 PM
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Yes. Men have a much longer refractory period. Especially as they get older. But that being the main or only strategy to avoid cheating still seems problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 04:45 PM
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Yes. I don’t even think it’s a “system”. It’s more like just nature. Nature doesn’t really care if you pass on your genes. There’s no individual benefit to passing on your genes. It’s just an impulse nature has to evolve in males for things to make sense. But I wouldn’t call it a “system” either, because if you’re not willing to date at an acceptable loss someone who’s more willing to will pass on their genes and the cycle goes on anyway. And of course people will complain about it regardless of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 04:37 PM
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Yes. Men date at an acceptable loss because of supply and demand. Males are desperate in all species. And most males still don’t pass on their genes. It’s just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:26 PM
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Of course. Supply and demand. Sex is more costly to females in almost all species. You have to be better than other men to be able to really consider your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 01:21 AM
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I did that many times. I didn't "worship" her because I reserve that to Gods. But I was nice to her, supported her however I could, helped her in her career, and all of that. Also always paid for everything. She didn't cheat on me but let's say she didn't return the favor at all and treated me poorly at times. I had to break up when I found out. I think most men would like to do that but many are afraid she's going to leave them or treat them badly if they put them too much on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:04 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:18 AM
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True. Maybe prostitution was much more common before the sexual liberation. I don't have any data though. I always saw prostitution as a very distant thing for common people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:44 PM
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Then male nature changed a lot. I don’t have a single friend who’s paid for a prostitute. We all mention the exact same reason for that, which is paying for it would not be fun. Also, at least where I live, I don’t think there exist many prostitutes at all. Something like 1 prostitute for 10k people and they’re too expensive for most men. I heard they’re there for men over 60 or men with serious disabilities who wouldn’t be able to have sex otherwise. I don’t see how it can be a common thing for…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:34 PM
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The same exact way it is mathematically impossible for women to have more partners than men on average Of course. You're the one who said they were different "through much of history". In the past, men just fucked prostitutes and brought home horrible disfiguring or sterilizing STDs to their wives (Even assuming the averages were different) Nice. Now they can catch the STDs themselves. Every prostitute had tons of clients Prostitutes must be really cheap and widely available where you live. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:27 AM
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That’s the biggest myth ever. It’s impossible for men to have more partners than women on average. And the median women has always had more sex than the median men. 99% of men don’t even have the ability of being promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:37 PM
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The answer here is so obvious. Women date up. That’s all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:20 PM
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Exactly. Any women making similar demands would be considered very reasonable. Women would be considering the promiscuity of their partners if they were smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:33 PM
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We’re not back to it because these are your premises. I never agreed they all want families. Let alone desperately want families. I didn’t say they wants virgins either. I had lots of girlfriends who weren’t virgins but weren’t promiscuous either (you’d be surprised to know most women are in this category). So when they want something, they usually just want a women that won’t make them embarrassed. Someone they can be proud of. The premise they want them to unleash some inner slut also came fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:32 PM
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I lived in a fraternity and that was always very clear to me. A group of at most 3 guys had sex with about 30 women every semester. Some other 6 guys were lucky once in a semester. The rest of the guys almost never had sex at all. Tinder just made it scale. But where does the belief come from? It comes from nature. For almost all species, the cost of sex is much higher for women. So they want to have sex with the best they can find because it’s her optimal strategy. That’s why the peacocks are f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:27 PM
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They want families but they don’t want families with anyone? These are real people with feelings and all of that stuff. They also know starting a relationship on bad terms makes the family less likely to succeed. It’s better to never start a family than to have a broken family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:18 AM
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Yes. That’s possible. It’s actually one problem of the sexual liberation many authors discussed half a century ago. People would never know if sex meant strong desire or just something they were doing just because. I guess there are some signs of genuine desire and love, but they’re not simple to identify confidently without some form of sexual exclusivity. You also have to consider these “betabux” in their 30s got used to being alone. They don’t mind it. And they often have a comfortable life a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:09 AM
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I don’t think anyone would feel bad about that solution. It’s the inconsistency that bothers people. They don’t want to feel like they were given a chance. They want the same genuine desire or nothing. Getting nothing is ok. The problem is getting tricked or something in this sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:52 AM
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They consider it if it’s the same kind of men I guess. Then it’d just be alpha fucks alpha bux. That’s fine. But there are not enough alphas for that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:51 AM
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I don’t think you interpreted what people say correctly. Its not that the relationship is easier than sex. It’s easy to get a relationship once you’re having (casual) sex. They’re not independent things. So the problem becomes women who can get sex but not relationships from certain men and keep in this cycle forever. Then at some point they go after guys who will give them the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:48 AM
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So the red pill told you that if you’re a great person you don’t have to vet men anymore?
/r/RedPillWomen03/04/24 04:36 AM
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40% of men have noticeable hair loss by the age of 35. The height thing might depend a little on where you live but I concede 90% of men are above 5'5 in the US (if the Female Delusion Calculator) is correct. Still, these are only two factors that can make someone unattractive. For instance, if you want non-obese men above 5'5 who are not balding, then that's only 25% of men. But there are so many other things that make men unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 03:55 AM
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But the problem is meeting these many people in real life. I mean, unless you're cold approaching a lot or dating girls you have sex with (considering you've been successful there), then it's hard to meet that many people in real life wherever you have your hobbies or whatever. Very frequent dates outside online dating is impressive even for high value men, because it's hard to meet so many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 03:49 AM
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5’5 and bald is not bottom 0.05% at all. Most people are ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:49 AM
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Yes. It’s still better than dating apps only in the sense that competition is “smaller” but not really smaller for average people because you still need to be among best options in the venue to get something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:47 AM
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You don’t go on dates and have sex every other week? You’re killing it. Statistically you’re having way more sex than “the gatekeepers” of sex, so you’re pretty above the vast majority of men almost by definition. I know men who are really average (like 5/10), like drinking, go out every weekend, and have sex like once every two years. I have more than that but it’s still a lot of work. Are your dates from online dating? Even getting these many matches converted into dates means you’re not avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:45 AM
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I don’t even think most women find assholes attractive for the sake of being assholes. I think at most they like other things about the person and being an assholes just comes with the package and they put it with it. Then “nice” guys think it’s because of it. Also, being bullied doesn’t usually make you an asshole. Even if you’re bullied, many other people will be nice to you and you’ll be able to know the difference. It might have the opposite effect and people might do everything they can to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 09:42 PM
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I would never recommend anyone getting *incredibly* thin. Unless it's related to your profession, I find incredibly thin men and women unhealthy, unattractive, and unreasonably hard to maintain. No one I ever talked to disagreed with me. But most people have the genetics to get to a fit (14-17% for men / 21-24% for women) or even athletic (<13% for men / <20% for women) body fat with the help of a very mediocre nutritionist and sometimes just by not eating junk food. They would not only look bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:45 PM
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Yes. And they don't even have to bulk. Just being thin is enough. If you go to the gym you know how losing weight is much easier than gaining lean mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 05:09 PM
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I find the beauty _standards_ for men very hard to achieve. And often very unhealthy to achieve. I think the difference is women might be more likely to get closer to their standards, not that the standards are higher. In any case, most people are ugly and achieve no standard at all. We just forget to notice these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 03:49 PM
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I'm always the one doing the dumping, but I don't see myself as extremely "high value" in the sense that I'm sure other women will find me high value. I'm no "alpha". I'm only high-value in the sense that I value myself regardless of what other women would think and I'm OK being alone. So whenever I notice a relationship is making my life worse in objective terms (regardless of how easy it would be to find someone else) I leave the relationship because I don't want to waste my time or the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 03:33 PM
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I agree with everything you said. Still, people lie a lot about their sexual history. I think it’s a good idea because at best all you get is to be with someone who doesn’t respect you for who you are. But people still do. You can see all the dating advice on Reddit is about how to lie about this kind of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:16 PM
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I think this is more about women pretending to be low maintenance to please the man. If she’s really low maintenance, there’s no reason to not like that. Especially when compared to that person giving the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 03:13 AM
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The statistic includes all married women. It’s not about a specific couple. If all married women are neurotic that’s a bad sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:40 PM
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It’s weird OP says it teaches men they have no chance with women. I was reasonably successful with women and learning about it didn’t change how successful I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:20 PM
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Yea. I’ve never seen women with experience be easily honest about it. It would save people so much time. And I also don’t understand the point of lying because it’s hard to hide this stuff forever and what’s the point anyway? To be with someone wouldn’t be with you without the lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:09 PM
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That’s interesting. I’ve never seen a woman be completely honest about sexual history unless there’s almost no history to tell. In all other cases, it never comes out easily. It always just comes up because the stories don’t match at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:57 PM
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If her wall was about men becoming aware, these men would stop pursuing all women instead of just women over 30 in favor of women below 30. Men might start to understand women’s nature and still look for the least worst women. At a deeper level everything is just correlated with fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:07 AM
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If it’s a lot of work for her, she can’t do it a lot. If she can easily do it a lot, it’s not a lot of work. Maybe she would be seen negatively but for doing a lot for what most women can get so easily rather than for sleeping around. Just like men are judged negatively for that. Most men are concerned about women who suddenly change their criteria for partners. In that case, if she’s making such an effort just for sex to the point she’s not even having to gate keep it because people don’t want …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:01 AM
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The main causes are hormonal and biological. After sex, men’s testosterone drops. He needs to be already attached in his mind or he will detach. This also influences the Madonna/whore complex they usually have and he might label the woman in one of these categories right there. After sex, women release oxytocin, which influences bonding (as long as the system is not broken yet). Of course, a perceived lack of optionality might be enough for a man to get attached in his mind (oneitis). There’s al…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:11 PM
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None of the things you listed are reasons why I would get married or seen anyone get married. They might happen incidentally, but it’s definitely not people’s purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:40 AM
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I’ve seen people get married for many reasons. But I’ve never seen anyone get married because they want the government to track them more easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:31 AM
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Historically, both definitions were false. Especially when divorce wasn’t common. Usually the husband would take care of the assets but it wouldn’t make much of a difference because they wouldn’t get divorced and they would both benefit from the assets anyway. Weddings also existed before the government getting involved. The point of marriage is not that. The point of marriage is about children. Men typically provide resources because women are fragile when they have children. On the other hand,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:04 AM
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That’s the problem. If only that fact changed and nothing else in the world changed to make that happen, then it’s kind of an incoherent world. But in any case, if women are still the gatekeepers of sex, the scenario is only that the gate is broken for some reason. Of course men would behave that way but it wouldn’t be sustainable for very long because there’s a reason they’re gatekeepers: sex has a much higher cost for them. I think the analogy assumes all women are also having a lot of casual …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 03:39 PM
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Hypotheticals are complex because the answer to the question depends on other implied hypotheticals that were needed for the first hypothetical. For instance, do women also hate promiscuity in this scenario? Because then it makes no difference. Am I worried about having a good relationship one day and these relationships are making it harder? Am I getting traumatized all the time because I always think this 10/10 is the alpha woman I have to get married? What changed in women for these 10/10 to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 02:04 PM
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Who’s saying that in the manosphere? I honestly never seen it. All I’ve seen is men who won’t get married if they don’t think it’s worth it (just like women would) but never seen it as a form of boycott. A high effort boycott (much more effort than just a conventional relationship) would be pretty much the opposite of them going their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 04:12 PM
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That’s an ad hominem. If the advice makes sense you should consider it. If the advice doesn’t make sense you shouldn’t consider it. My view of the red pill worldview is that some statements are true but too obvious, some are true but not actionable, and some are delusional cope. It has to be evaluated individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:32 PM
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Virginity isn’t also a red flag The fact you have to say that is more telling than anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 05:32 AM
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I don’t see any of the men I ever met doing that. If he’s happy with the relationship, at most you could say some man are still likely to cheat. I don’t expect this to be a lot of men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:13 AM
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Of course the theory is about what attracts most women and not all women. That’s impossible. Saying things can vary is not very useful because everyone knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:10 AM
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There are some weird premises there. First of all, I don’t think these people are likely to meet at all. It’s not the kind of people red pill men attract. And they’re usually not in the same age range. Second, there are many Christian red pillers. Also, the red pill man might like to date a virgin. If that even happens, he’s dating her and let’s say being a virgin is a pro to him. She’s dating him and probably doesn’t even know what being red pill means. She’s doing it despite him being red pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:03 AM
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Yes. I agree. OP might be watching too many YouTube videos on that and the algorithm gets more and more biased over time, to the point of making people neurotic. I've always dated women of all ages and no one has ever said a thing to me. If someone ever says anything, it's going to be an exception, and also a bitter 30/40-yo woman not from my circle I don't care about. The issue is quite simple: when I was in my 20s, these women were dating older people, like it or not, so now I active go after …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:17 AM
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I don’t have sources for the average man but that has been my experience since I turned 30. I’m not particularly looking for young women but I don’t avoid them either. It got way easier to attract them than when I was in my 20s. I looked like a teenager in my 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 10:30 PM
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I'm not sure I understood you properly then. If I sleep with someone once and don’t want a commitment, it’s usually because I don’t like them as much not I am into casual sex with people I don’t want to commit to. How can you sleep with a person not want commitment and at the same time not be into casual sex with people I don’t want to commit to? I'm assuming "casual sex" means sex between uncommitted people by the most common definition. If I do want a commitment with someone (if I really like …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:23 PM
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The very same experience over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:21 PM
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This!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:20 PM
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Yes. You're probably correct to some extent. That's still coherent with what I said about being her n-th choice. If you sleep with someone once and you're the one who doesn't want a commitment that says a lot about your personality. Not your body. People usually have the impression they're average but I would think that's not the criteria most people use to make these decisions. Having sex before being sure you like the person is more evidence you didn't vet the person properly before becoming i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:18 PM
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I think they're complaining about being her second (or 3rd, 4th, ...) choice. The "bux" part is about resources in general: time, attention, etc. Not only money. The feeling of "paying" double the price for half the excitement. I think it's mostly an emotional thing for not feeling desired. Otherwise, rich people wouldn't mind that at all and then it wouldn't matter: poor people would make no different and rich people wouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 10:29 AM
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If you're talking about the first paragraph, maybe you didn't notice but you're agreeing with me. I was paraphrasing the definition OP provided and disagreeing in the second paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 08:39 PM
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If dealing with being alone is worse than being with the person, then the person is adding value by definition!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 05:09 AM
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I don’t know. I would think they at least think the other person is adding some value even if it isn’t objectively true. My impression is that actions speak louder than words and by staying with the person you are implying you at least think you’re better off doing what you’re doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:46 AM
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going for someone who doesn't add to your life Yes. If that's what you mean, I'd never settle. Most people won't. If I know I'm better off single, then I'll just be single. But I think that's too obvious and probably not what people are discussing most of the time. Most of the debate is about that alpha/betabux issue, where the woman can get person A to have sex with her (which costs almost nothing to men) but only person B to commit to her (which costs a lot to men), and person B is not happy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 02:51 AM
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I think this is quite simple. I’ll look for the best I can find because there’s nothing else I can do. If she makes my life better, I’ll keep her. If she makes my life worse, I’ll be single. If anything, the problem is not the idea that someone is settling. I think the interesting problem people discuss is the retroactive effects of a society where people feel like they have infinite optionality, many partners feel like they were settled for, and many people feel they could get something a littl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 02:01 AM
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I think people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. However, I'm pretty sure this ends up in some kind of contradiction or a self-defeating ideology. Because not ideas of what to do with your body are equally as good. We people who make good decisions this generation as likely to be the ones making decisions for society in the next generation and they'll probably impose some kind of moral constraint on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 12:00 AM
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They’re not saying they care. They’re saying the system is broken is showing evidence. When I say being obese is bad for your health I’m not saying I care at all about obese people. I’m not pretending I do. I’m just stating a fact. If anything they’re mocking these women, not saying they care. Also you were not watching “men”. You were watching channels run by specific men. Most men are not participating in these discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:20 AM
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That assumes older women would be more attracted to them. Not the case at all. If he’s fat and ugly, both young women and older women would be settling. Different reasons. But still settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 06:19 PM
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Also if he’s not good at attracting women in general he won’t be good at attracting “the one” when he finds her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:46 AM
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What does their thought process look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:53 AM
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You can have fear and still make attempts. It’s called courage. And when it works, the fear usually goes away. It’s hard to know if women like that the person had no fear or the underlying attributes that made the attempt work. And not fearing something is often a reason to not make attempts: if I don’t worry about ending up with a bad partner I might do nothing to make it happen. And all of that assumes fear is a choice, which is quite debatable. Fear is an emotional response to belief dictated…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:55 PM
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What I mean by rational fear is that you could stop the fear, but the underlying problem would still be there. It’s not something that would magically solve with confidence or everyone would have figured this out already. And if removing the fear doesn’t solve the problem, fear is just an independent problem. It’s still a problem but not the underlying issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:31 PM
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The premise seems false. I’m no alpha but I’m always the dumper. Last time I checked, women are usually the gatekeepers or sex and men are usually the gatekeepers of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:27 AM
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Fear is a problem but not the dating problem people have if the fear is rational. The dating problem is real and the fear just comes with it. People with infinite optionality wouldn’t feel any of this fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:24 AM
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That’s weird. If that were the case there would be no betabux. Most men are concerned to be seen as a provider while other men got much more for free as lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 03:26 PM
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I think this goes both ways. People feel bad when they can’t attract the opposite gender. It doesn’t mean that’s everything there is but it’s often there because you know you’ll be able to do that at least at some point of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:01 PM
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70% of posts would make no sense if people understood being voluntarily single is an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 02:37 AM
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It depends on the person: Some people might just be interested in the topic in some way or another, Some people discuss these topics because it might affect them and they hope they can choose the best path for self-improvement if they understand what needs to be improved. Some people just come here to try to validate their bad choices "Oh, God, give us the courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what can not be helped, and insight to know the one from the other." Not everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 02:35 AM
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People will look for the best option they think they can get at the moment no matter how good or bad they think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:50 PM
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Listing your preferences doesn’t make you high value. Also, water is wet. I don’t think anyone has any expectation any of these things are false.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:43 PM
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Not really. Men have standards but they're not the same criteria as women's standards. And men have standards for women for both short and long-term relationships, just like women do. Women will almost always look for someone more successful or at least as successful as themselves. So especially when women look for more successful men and find them, men always want something in return for that huge investment in a single person. Being successful takes a lot of time, energy, and risk, so it usual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 07:06 PM
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Your article is measuring a completely different thing for women older than 65. God. So much cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:32 PM
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When you say you’re self improving, do you mean on your looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 01:50 PM
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Yes. That lists assumes everything else being equal. In practice it’s always more about being “high-value” than looks. Missing one of the components of value makes you not a 10/10 regardless of your looks. From what you describe, the problems you have in other areas of your life are quite serious so you’re not a 10/10. If they were mild issues, maybe looks would compensate for that. But that doesn’t mean looks don’t matter or are less important. In other words, it’s like the normalized factors m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 01:21 PM
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Your point being?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 11:43 PM
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Yes. There's no perfect description of the attributes of a Chad. A 10/10 might mean different things to different people. Chad is just the guy most girls see as 10/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 10:23 PM
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Yes. I agree with the conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:42 PM
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It depends on the context. The data we have tends to show this happening around 30. But in this sub, this is always conflated with people having zero options, which is false for almost everyone. Second, this is only comparing people of the same age. Third, this is data from dating apps, which is quite different from real life. Fourth, the things women appreciate in men are much less correlated with age than the things men appreciate in women. We can expect this SVM estimate to work for most aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:37 PM
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Yes. I'm sure it happens both ways. That happened to me too. Like 9 out of 10, women would have hope that the thing would become something else. But that other 1 out of 10 was often someone who was not interested in anything else and I was the one being almost ghosted. But I think it's always going to be more in the other direction because (i) in practice women are the gatekeepers of sex and they decide when the relationship becomes sexual and (ii) women can afford to aim up at a man who's glad …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:28 PM
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There are many posts here from both men and women that conflate the idea of getting able to find someone with the idea of finding the person they want or a person at least as high-value as they used to find. When people say men are lonely because a small proportion of men are getting all the sex, they don't mean other men will die virgins or never find a woman to get married at all. Likewise, when people talk about the wall at 30 is because it's when men of the same age start to have the upper h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:15 PM
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In terms of trust, I guess you could say that. Trust is another criterion that both genders usually look for. People want a partner that matches their criteria *and* is trustworthy even though people just discuss the other criteria because it's hard to have comparable and non-anecdotal evidence of how much people can be trusted in general. But you're correct that men are competing for a much smaller pool of women than women are competing for men *if* you assume a woman is so much less easy to tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:10 PM
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Because I never lied. I’ve always been clear. Then they kept trying. Maybe I would change my mind later. It happened a few times. Then it stopped when it became very clear. In the sense of being clear enough. But I don’t have a precise definition of what constitutes this threshold for each woman. To be honest, this is deviating a lot and I have no idea where you’re trying to go with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:33 PM
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Yes. Many people nowadays start with casual sex and try convert that into relationships. I think for many people this is the only way for relationships to start. To make things worse people who do want relationships are not going to tell because they don’t want to seem needy. You never know who wants to go further but in my experience most women wanted to go further. The only case where it’s clear to me the woman wants a relationship is women who don’t have sex outside committed relationships bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:26 PM
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It’s a continuum. I have always been clear. Then they kept trying. Then I was clearer. Then they kept trying. Until it was very very clear. I don’t know what the threshold is. But as I said, I don’t think the expectation of commitment at some point in the future makes sex not casual in any case. It’s not a relationship so sex is casual. It may not be a ONS but it’s still casual. Otherwise, the whole original point is just circular. He would be saying women have casual sex with no expectation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:16 PM
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The usual definition of casual sex is sex outside relationships. We weren’t in a relationship, we made no promises, and sex didn’t take long to happen at all. I don’t think her expectation that that would become a relationship makes it non casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:43 PM
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I don’t know. In my times of casual sex, 9 out of 10 women would insist on relationships until I said very clearly it wouldn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:39 PM
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I don’t know. In my times of casual sex, 9 out of 10 women would insist on relationships until I said very clearly it wouldn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:39 PM
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I don’t know. In my times of casual sex, 9 out of 10 women would insist on relationships until I said very clearly it wouldn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:38 PM
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I don’t know. In my times of casual sex, 9 out of 10 women would insist on relationships until I said very clearly it wouldn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:32 PM
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I can see why this would happen but it’s hard to find non anecdotal evidence of that
/r/MensRights18/03/24 06:16 PM
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I’m not lonely myself and don’t blame anyone but I still recognize the ways things are set up is a zero sum game many men will lose. Men have to earn what they have. In a zero sim game, if they improve themselves (assuming this has a huge effect which I’m not sure it has) someone else is going to be lonely. Some other men think the way things are set up the benefit is not worth the cost of the competition either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 08:42 AM
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I read the post again and you’re correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 09:39 PM
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They’re not jealous. They just don’t want to invest a lot in leftovers of Chad (that got everything with zero investment) in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 04:47 PM
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🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:47 PM
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Same here. From the POV of women, it's not because of my age. But from my POV it's still correlated with age in the sense that there just wasn't enough time to become successful in my 20s. I needed that money to afford the luxury to focus on the gym, take care of my health, and pay other people to help me achieve these goals. I have more options when going out in real life. In online dating, I'm not going to be in the women's age range but I don't do online dating anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:25 AM
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My experience is having many more options after 30. I don't know what the future is going to look like. But I foresee after 35 I'll still have lots of options with women above 25+ and a little less options but no zero options with women below 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:31 PM
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Yes. There's also that. I always question myself. Do I want children or is it just something I idealized? If you're successful enough to please the family, you're probably successful enough to not have enough time to spend with your children. Assuming you're not part of a demographic with very low divorce rates, being successful means your wife also has an incentive to get divorced. So the most likely path is you not seeing the kid that much, other people will have full control over their educat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:43 PM
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Surrogacy for about $40-80k depending on where you want it. And you even have the benefit of choosing and varying the genes you want from the mother. Some other people co-parent. And some people have a child with some old girlfriend who's reaching 35. But in many similar cases, I think people simply don't even want children. Or they don't want it enough to justify being in a relationship they're not happy with. Men can also afford to wait for much longer and see if it doesn't "just happen" in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:24 PM
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Oh... You were talking about women. I thought you were saying 38 was where the turntables were for men. Yes. The wall might mean different things depending on what you consider an "option". Most people have _some_ options at every point in life. But at 30, men start to be at an advantage when compared to people women the same age. For men, on the other hand, I think it depends much more on your health, etc... than the number, although these things are usually correlated with the number.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:21 PM
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For many people (men and women in my experience), a "yes" means this is not going to become a serious relationship because they don't want to start a relationship this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:17 PM
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Do you mean in the case of "high-value men"? Yes. 38 looks like a good guess for most men. I guess it's more around the age when you start to lose collagen, whatever that age is for you. Because when people meet I don't see them worrying about ages all that much. It's all about physical appearance and then they justify that to themselves with whatever excuse they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:55 PM
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Yes. I keep seeing this every day. Many friends IRL and recurrently online. I also empathize with that because I also came from nothing. We didn't stave or anything but things like meat used to be a luxury. No one wanted to walk with me at all in my 20s. Went to the best schools and got a great job. I earn 10x what any of my friends make. In my 30s I became very successful in my personal life, in terms of health, looks, and obviously with women. But I simply don't see the point anymore: I always…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:47 PM
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Yes. That's why this group is kind of boring. It's just two teams with people saying the same nonsense over and over again. Team A is usually women who do hookups and a few men who have relationships with these women say hookups are neutral and even virtuous. Team B is usually women who don't do hookups and most men say it's very unattractive and has lots of consequences. I'm in team A only in the sense that people can do whatever they want. The problem is team A is here not to defend that freed…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:31 PM
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That's just like "just be yourself" advice or the "that didn't mean anything" excuse. They're just saying that because they don't want you to feel bad. That's it. I thought that was obvious to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:24 PM
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You just summarized the whole thing. 😂 The numbers don't match. I often see posts here saying men are going to accept whatever options they have regardless of their preferences because they won't have any other options in their 30s. Just saw one of these today. But I don't see that happening at all. I know many men who didn't benefit from hookup culture in their 20s and became very successful in their 30s (maybe despite or because of that). Most of them just decided to be single and not care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 07:57 PM
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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=divorce+rates+by+country
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:30 PM
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There's not going to be a single paper about that. You just have to put 2 and 2 together. Have a look at which countries have this hookup culture. Then look at how that correlates to divorce rates. Then look at how this affects children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:21 PM
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Those charts where men peak at 38 are delusional because one of them came from nowhere (Rollo's mind) and the other is backed by data but it refers to people of the same age and it's also data from dating apps, which diverge a lot from real life. But the biggest problem they have in my opinion is that they're based on age as the main criteria. Age is a huge factor for men, who usually prefer younger women even if they can't get them, but it doesn't seem to be as much of a factor for women. My ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:12 PM
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Yes. Undue emphasis is undue by definition. And it’s obviously coherent with humility because it has room for reasonably worried about opinions. If that’s what they mean, I’m obviously ok with that. But I don’t think you can purposefully choose not to believe or worry about something anyway. People will just care and make even more effort to prove to others they don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:23 PM
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I disagree with the premise that random people or strangers think anything about you. They don’t even know you. So they can’t think anything about you. What people usually really mean is they defensively don’t care about their opinion if they did have an opinion about you. That makes the opinion of a stranger not so much less relevant than the opinion from people you know because that’s a hypothesis where they do know you. In fact, it could be more relevant since the opinion is a projection and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:21 PM
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Yes. That's the thing. I don't believe caring about what others think is a choice for our species. Some people care more than others because of their personality traits and that's it. There's very little evidence you can't change that. At most, you can pretend not to care, which is often used as a form of signaling an attitude to others (which means they do care about others).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:50 PM
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Yes. As I mentioned, I don't see this detachment as a good thing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:46 PM
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The idea that self-esteem is inherently a good thing is one of the most stupid ideas I see being propagated in society. People are depressed because they compare themselves to others and realize they're low-value in the eyes of others. And what does society recommend? Be delusional about your value in the eyes of others. Or pretend you don't care about others. Both things are going to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:36 PM
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I never said there were no problems in the past. There are problems with any system. But I just made a single point about a single thing (what things look like when it's not "empowerment" hookup culture, which is still most of the world). You're trying to refute something I didn't say. If anything, the idea that people should marry for love and not be responsible for anything else is the romanticized one. Marriage is not for the parents. Marriage is to provide the _children_ with stability. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:31 PM
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You're in denial and that's why you keep coming up with strawmen and deviating extremely from whatever the topic is. Everyone is the gate keeper of their own genitals. No one said that's not the case. That has nothing to do with what anyone said. This notion that men HAVE to mindlessly fuck everything that is an option is actually so degrading to men. No one said that. The vast majority of men would prefer things to be different. You're acting like promiscuous men have no agency over themselves …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:39 PM
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Yes. Rules are set by women in a society where promiscuity and polygamy are OK because they’re the gatekeepers of sex. Everything else that happens is only a consequence of men either trying to please women on these terms or giving up. You keep going back to the lots of men with options because you women set the rules so most men are invisible to you. Most men don’t have nearly as many options as women do and the way the very few top men who have even more options than women behave in the system…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:08 PM
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There’s a huge difference between recognizing the ways things are and being happy about it. There’s a huge difference between how men behave in a hookup culture where the rules are set by women where there’s nothing else they can do and what kind of rules they set or would set when they are in change. These things are unrelated. Most men are not having a lot of sex. A huge proportion of men at 30 are still virgins. They can dislike the polygamous way things are set up and still think there’s no …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:36 AM
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Probably that and the fact they often don’t think there’s even any alternative to hookup culture earlier in life. I guess it depends on how they were raised.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:25 AM
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You got it completely backwards. It has nothing to do with being able to fuck women individually. Almost all men were fine and happier with the way the world was monogamous with every man fucking only a single woman and vice versa. What men tend to dislike promiscuity and cheating in women and they like women they can trust concerning that and everything related to that. Incels and almost incels don’t even hate women in general. Most incels don’t even know this word exists. What they don’t usual…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:12 AM
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I’ve seen men do well in hookup culture but later in life have a bad time finding a LTR he’s comfortable with. Trust issues, lack of excitement, and all of that. Probably because he’s seen how things work. I don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:36 AM
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I think the very few handsome men have it better than the few pretty women, who have it better than the many average women, who have it better than reasonably ugly women, who have it better than the many average men, who have it better than ugly men (the majority), who have it better than extremely ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:33 AM
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Not all manosphere dudes are podcast hosts. The point of a manosphere podcast is not to attract women. To point is to make money. If the content is useful to the manosphere audience, that's another question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:19 PM
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All of these places are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 01:08 PM
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It took me a long time to conclude that any form of vulnerability is unhelpful to the person sharing it unless it's a story of vulnerability that ends with you overcoming it. At best, you're throwing at the other person who won't have as much empathy as you think and you'll be frustrated. At worst, they'll see you as weak, see less relative value in you, see the relationship through lenses that things are now too "heavy", think you want to end things, feel the relationship is less stable, and ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 10:11 PM
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Of course, there's going to be at least one decent human for most definitions of decent. Maybe the problem is the West has a much looser definition of what that means and for any strict definition the pool is much smaller than it would be elsewhere. And the thing about casual sex is that if you care about avoiding people who are into that, it's even hard to avoid it because it takes a long time to know the person enough to know that kind of stuff. People who like casual sex purposefully try to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 06:38 PM
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Self improvement can be a zero sum and still be good advice. But I don’t even think is a zero sum game because it tends to reach a plateau where people can technically become more equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 05:10 PM
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I agree but I don't think that's related to what I said. I'm as high value as I can be, I'm able to get hot chicks, and at the same time whether she's pretty is not the main criterion for me in a LTR at all. It's a constraint but not an objective or criterion. Beauty is a bad investment because even assuming it helps you with anything in a LTR, you're going to be higher value with time and she's going to be less pretty with time. In a LTR, I'd much rather evaluate her mental stability, her relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:28 PM
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I tend to have a minimum level of attractiveness for LTRs and then care at all if it goes above that. The minimum level is only because it somewhat correlates to health and self-esteem. Everything else depends on other criteria for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:08 PM
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Yes. I agree with most things you say. To be clear, I never used "quality" as "sameness". If it's sameness, there's no value to be gained. It wasn't the point. I also don't think the man being superior in a relationship (in that implied sense of superior, of course) is bad or somewhat unbalanced: if she wants to look up to you in regards to those qualities you'll have to be there for her. But none negate the idea of value being provided both ways. Not being the same is not only useful but what m…
/r/TheRedPill13/03/24 02:50 PM
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The only situation I see women providing value is the one you mentioned: when I want to be a father. The problem I have is that this is still unbalanced in the sense that you’re also providing value by allowing her to be a mother. So there’s no value she’s providing here that you’re not also providing. And if you’re well off, you can technically have a kid without a mother (although it has social implications). You could say expecting equal value in this situation is part of the fantasy. But I u…
/r/TheRedPill13/03/24 04:46 AM
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What is a good woman or the right woman in this context? What value can women provide outside the fantasy?
/r/TheRedPill13/03/24 03:38 AM
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What are ways in which relationships can bring value to a man’s life? I mean value a man can’t get from friends, hookers, or egg donors?
/r/TheRedPill13/03/24 03:33 AM
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Ok. They’re strangers because you would make sure they are strangers. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 02:55 AM
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Friends? Family? Colleagues? Classmates? Roommates? Hook ups?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 02:49 AM
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People who are not strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 02:48 AM
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Why do you assume only strangers will slut shame you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 02:38 AM
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I wasn’t making a point. I was answering your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 11:42 PM
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Playing video games or whatever. Then they date only a few people and get married, while other people are dating much more. That’s what inequality in terms of dating is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 11:25 PM
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But that’s about marriage. The post was about inequality in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 10:53 PM
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They’re not filling a gap. They’re just trying to provide value in the only ways they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 12:14 AM
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I see. That's good to know. You have lots of options and have no idea. I guess you might have some anxiety (like most people who end up successful) that makes you always look at the glass half empty. I know that because I do that too. I empathize with your situation because me and a group of friends are in a similar situation we have discussed many of the possibilities you are considering. We even looked at the possibility of surrogacy (there are even some pros to that) although no one actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 08:23 PM
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You’re too young to be that defeatist. You can consider things but that’s clearly not the best plan for you. Have you tried using your money to find a good nutritionist, endocrinologist, and personal trainer to make you a good plan? You should be fine in at least one year. Then fix any obvious physical defect you might have. Still can’t find someone who’s at least upper middle class and willing to marry with a prenup without counting on money? That’s hard to believe. When I mean not counting on …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 12:27 PM
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The question should have to be asked because it’s either obvious or it’s obvious that the answer is nothing. And if it’s nothing, you’re the one who’s wrong. I have no problem with numbers though. And no problem with qualitative answers either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 09:05 AM
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That’s what it looks like. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 09:39 PM
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Super cringe Please don't say that. You just made me cry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:55 PM
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The fact that you say this like a mic drop Sorry. I stopped reading here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:48 PM
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I don’t know the stats but things did get much easier for me after turning 30. Of course you need to maintain your health because it’s not the age itself that makes you better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 07:50 AM
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No one should be OK with that. The reason these kind of comments get upvotes is because they stand out and usually appeal to the audience of that channel/sub/whatever. The excuse both men and women give to this advice is that having optionality makes things easier. This is mostly incorrect and but some failed logic makes it seem like good advice. Still, this is terrible advice! You’re ensuring no relationship will go very far or even worse: you’ll invest a lot in a relationship just so your part…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 05:02 AM
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Sure. The polygamous past is often associated with more trauma from the family. At the same time, I think in some environments (like some schools I've seen, etc) this is just incentivized even without any trauma and it's hard to stop it unless the family cares about instructing their children enough to compete with the schools. finding a forever partner as part of this healing Yes. That's the hard part. Not all partners are going to feel the same about it. And often both partners hurt each other…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:17 AM
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Does this mean that women and men have basically the same levels of innate selectivity and average men and women feel the same way about such pairings? Not at all. Both will ultimately end up with the best they can find because it's impossible to be any other way. But their biological imperatives that spread their genes the most are still different (as they are for any species): males would like to have sex with as many females as possible because sperm is cheap and there's no parental investmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 04:13 AM
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People will end up with people in their own “SVM” sooner or later. The main difference nowadays is the amount of trauma from their polygamous past both parties will take to this final ultimate long term relationship which should be the one where effort is invested. And also the social consequences of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:26 PM
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If people here are coherent they should say yes because everyone has a past and the past doesn’t matter. You shouldn’t even know she’s a pornstar and if you took the time to find out it only means you’re insecure. At least she got paid for the sex she did and now she chose you. You should be celebrating. If you think that has anything to do with values you also need a therapist to stop being a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:19 PM
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I'm failing to find any relationship between this and what I said. This sub became just a page for "Random Men vs. Women rages" based on terrible assumptions about humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 04:07 PM
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This creates a false dilemma by virtually defining a "nice guy" as a non-attractive person or attaching random qualities to the concepts of nice/bad. That's not the case. Of course, some people might think they're nice while they're only unable to attract other people, but that doesn't mean the word "nice" doesn't mean anything. Once you undo the false dilemma, the problem is not that complex. For both genders, there are attractive nice people, attractive bad people, non-attractive nice people, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 04:03 PM
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The first paragraph doesn’t make sense. They’re not saying women don’t vet enough. They’re saying women vet a lot for the wrong things and keep doing it over and over again. The criticism is about quality. Not quantity. They’re vetting for things that have no impact in a LTR and even sharing these men with other women. Of course, if you vet for the right things there’s no way you could have known. Even if you vet for the wrong things and don’t repeat the mistake I don’t think anyone would say th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:59 PM
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Oh... at the moment you mean... yes. Definitely. I'm not sure the criteria of only having sex with boyfriends is usually enough though. Some people create that rule and many bypass it by just becoming boy/girlfriends for a couple of months, having sex without any other form of investment, and then moving on. Some serial monogamy has become not very different from casual sex. It's even worse because it might be the case that only one person is investing. I guess the meaning of these acts for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 02:52 AM
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As I said, not all men and women are on the same team. This is a useless simplification. They're on opposite poles. Many men and women think they benefit from casual sex culture. Many men and women think hookup culture is detrimental to them or society. If some man (or woman) says A and another man (or woman) says not-A, you can't say "men" (or women) are in contradiction. They're not the same people. You can't aggregate that as if the opinions were coming from the same people. It's quite the op…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 04:15 PM
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Ow. By single you mean having sex with someone. Yes. That’s obviously true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:28 PM
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That’s silly. It’s all voluntary. There’s no one to blame between the men and the women voluntarily having sex. For all we know, this could lead to marriage with beautiful children. They’re giving each other the option to be together. Trying to blame anyone here is an unhealthy mentality. This also makes it sounds like men don’t have standards. Men have standards and many men and women are voluntarily single. The difference is the women has standards for sex and men have standards for commitment…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:27 PM
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How can there be fewer women single than men? I mean how is it possible mathematically? Polygamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 05:03 AM
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If she had sex with boyfriends that means she won't attend your second criteria: I wouldn’t date someone who was already exclusive with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:40 AM
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Because they are usually in the role of doing the initial selection, i.e. saying yes or no. Women have evolved to despise low-value men much more than anything because carrying their babies would be a disaster in evolutionary terms. So men can't empathize because there's no reason for men to be concerned about low-value women: even if low-value, the best strategy for men would be to spread their sperm/genes anyway. After all, his minimum parental investment is almost zero. This is not very diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:35 AM
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There no “this isn’t you”. People can become whatever they want. It’s very hard to pretend to be high value. Everyone will notice it almost instantly. And if they don’t notice it, probably you’re actually achieving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:53 PM
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So only virgins left?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:33 PM
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No. She's demonstrating through her actions she didn't like you enough to discard other options as unnecessary at the time. In the most general case, I guess it depends on how much optionality you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:32 PM
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That proves the opposite if anything. These students and young people are a subset of people where this is expected to be higher and still: 30-47% of people were not involved at all even in this subset of people, the study counts "having hooked up _once_" instead of "does hook up", which seems low to be honest only 8% of these 50-70% (i.e. 4-5%) of people hook up with strangers, 46% prefer traditional dating, not all hookups involve intercourse, 33% said the experience was unintentional, 35% fel…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:31 PM
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Do men and women often become better people to attract the other gender in general as part of the motivation? Of course. But I don't think becoming a high-value person makes you a simp. For both men and women. Maybe someone wouldn't go to the gym if women didn't exist. But that's too much of a hypothetical world and they're not simps because 1) they're not focusing on individual women when working out and 2) they're becoming high-value for all women after the process. I don't think if you work o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:14 PM
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Casual sex isn't all that common: https://insights.paramount.com/post/around-the-world-casual-sex-isnt-all-that-common/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 08:44 PM
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Become what you want to attract or find uglier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 06:32 PM
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Can’t you ask this question for almost everything if stoic enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:54 PM
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I see many people who have no problem finding gf/bfs but are sad they can’t find anyone worth a LTR nowadays (for whatever criteria they define).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:52 PM
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I wasnt defining anything. That was a conclusion. If you define second choice that way then sure. I’m not Brad Pitt is not a thread over here. That’s way people define choices as people she had sex with (because women control access to sex) but didn’t necessarily commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 06:41 AM
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Keep telling yourself these things, replying to things people didn’t say and assuming everyone else is celibate. Whatever you need to feel comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:31 AM
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Yes. Keep telling yourself that. We need more people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:28 AM
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I have plenty of lived experience stating otherwise. Well... I guess you failed to share that. Because everything else you shared is pretty silly. worried my way out of pussy enough I don't get why you keep telling yourself that. Or maybe I do. Whoever she is, her first choice fucked her just as much and probably better than you do now. Only for a lower price. And so do we. Same pussy. Just a lower price.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:20 AM
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More and more people want to be single. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:05 AM
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If she’s doing all that, you’re the first choice who agreed to commit to her. You don't have evidence of anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:01 AM
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Clearly false. If you’re her second choice she would do all of that for the first choice if he ever wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:26 AM
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Sorry. I didn’t know being promiscuous and a feminist were the same thing. That’s the only way someone can think I’m talking about feminism. Also, if most people don’t do casual sex, it’s very unlikely there would be so much discussion about body counts that don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 11:39 PM
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I said MEN do. Well, so you should save that comment for people who say men shouldn't be accountable for anything because I didn't. assume all women who don’t like casual sex are somehow a rebuttal against feminism That's false. *You* are the one who brought the words "casual" and "feminism" into this conversation. I hadn't said anything about feminism and casual sex before then. I was actually assuming the whole conversation was about LTRs and marriage. So it wasn't a "rebuttal against feminism…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 07:42 PM
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Where did I fail to be accountable for anything? You’re just saying random sentences at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 07:08 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? I didn’t bring up this point: you did. Finding sex dehumanizing outride a LTR is the opposite of anything feminism has been selling these days. Nothing makes sense in this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 06:59 PM
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So her income is still lower and all the rest is related to sex. I thought they were supposed to like sex just as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 06:05 PM
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Most men would stay in relationships with zero sex and would prefer society to be this way until marriage. That’s exactly the outcome whenever women are not the ones dictating all rules of the sexual market: instead of polygamy, people choose a single parter and only have sex after marriage. Be it outside the west or in more religious communities. Also, if women supposedly enjoy sex, that’s not something women are giving men. It’s supposedly something they’re giving each other. Unless you’re tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:58 PM
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Most people don’t even care that much about politics?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 12:46 PM
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My experience exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 12:45 PM
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Maybe the criticism is not coming from the same people? There are a lot of people on the World Wide Web. I’ve never seen any of these conflicting opinions come from the same people. And the last one is not conflicting at all: is totally common for men (and women) to want their wife (or husband) to be sexual with them and modest in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 05:24 AM
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Yes. If you're never going to have a LTR you don't need to worry about the numbers. But if the reason you're never going to have a LTR in the first place is the decline, then the numbers are useful to understand the point about the decline being misleading. Usually, the decline is about the hypergamous sexual marketplace leading to beta bux leading to bad deals for men leading to high divorce rates usually initiated by women leading to terrible consequences for men: marriage became a contract th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 04:31 AM
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Well... there's that: "enjoy the decline". I'm not sure that's good advice. It's the "unactionable" category I mentioned: a high-value blue pill man can enjoy the decline just as much. And he might also have a much better chance of randomly finding a woman that's not participating or participating less in the decline. Then you might say "all women are the same in that regard because the system is broken" and pull some red pill statistic about body counts and hook-up culture. But that goes in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 03:23 AM
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I think the main problem with the red pill is not that what they say is wrong. It's that what they say is obvious, false, or not actionable. Things like "improve yourself" are just obvious. You don't need any red pill for that. And it's the only actionable advice. It would be much useful to focus on how much can you realistically improve yourself with how much effort. Even the black pill is doing a better job at that. That SVM plot Rollo came up with out of thin air is just false/delusional. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 01:42 AM
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I've had a lot of problems becoming emotionally attached too soon and that led me to idealize the person too soon. Although some level of idealization is good, it was in a way that made it very hard to see their flaws. Or I would rationalize very obvious flaws. Nowadays I think it's best to stay emotionally distant for a while and go through my red flag list rationally before I let myself go emotionally. If I noticed some red flag rationally, then it was an explicit decision to accept that red f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 12:28 AM
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Yes. I thought it was implied your heart / gut won’t feel good about it when you see danger. I’m not sure following your heart is good advice for anything in life though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 09:02 PM
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So “follow your heart”?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 08:00 PM
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Yes. The issue I have with TRP is it's not very actionable. Improving yourself is good by definition, it's not some red pill stuff. Then you can have an idea of what women usually expect and I'd say they are reasonably right about most of that. Then you put both things together, become as alpha as possible, and hook up with a lot of women. OK. Let's say it works. And then what? I never got a proper answer to that. Then you'll never have a LTR? Or, since "all women are the same", will you just vo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:17 AM
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Very few men are redpillers. These conclusions would be impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:50 PM
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They’re both settling in that sense. Wanting is free. The difference is women get to have sex with the “higher quality” men she didn’t get to commit if she wants to. And she might think that’s her actual level before she’s dumped a dozen times. Men get nothing from the platonic “higher quality” women he admires. He only wanted them. When these two meet, she has sex with many “higher value” men although she got no commitment. And he got nothing. And now he has to invest a lot for what many other …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 04:28 AM
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So just don't put up with it? Or just pass the shit test and disregard it by making fun of it or just ignoring it completely? Why do you want to save this anyway? It seems like you should be working on having optionality.
/r/TheRedPill27/02/24 12:22 AM
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It depends on whether it’s involuntary. If it is, which seems to be the case, just work on yourself. Don’t compare yourself with girls either because it’s much easier for them if they want to. People will say you need to be in the top 20% to get something and that might demotivate you but the good news is the competition is not putting a lot of effort. Many people would get into this top 20% club just by reducing their body fat to something around 12%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:53 AM
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Yes. Not even a good idea to get past that. It seems like she has red flags for both short and long term relationships. It sounds like it wouldn’t be a good LTR even if she wasn’t entitled.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/24 10:31 PM
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If the conclusion doesn’t consider hook ups, then that’s not a really bold claim. Women can feel entitled even without any of these things.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/24 08:00 PM
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Yes. I think I mostly agree with this list in terms of deal-breakers. I always vet all of that and have a few extras of my own (mostly related to mental health). The problem is this is just a negative filter, and the way society is set up, whatever comes out of this negative vetting process is still pretty bad. (I would love to be refuted because this has been having an impact on my life). For instance, a second vetting round looking for positives could go through the body count (or the reasons …
/r/TheRedPill08/02/24 03:50 PM
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If you don't have the skill or life experience to vet if someone has truly changed then yes, one would easily assume AWALT. Wait, so you're saying not AWALT? But there are ways to tell if someone has truly changed. I think the idea that we have to evaluate if someone truly changed already implies that AWALT. Otherwise, it would be easier to just find someone that doesn't need to change at all. very jaded and defeatist: people don't change But yes, I don't think anyone has the skill to know if so…
/r/TheRedPill08/02/24 03:18 PM
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I'm having a really hard time grasping that. The only questions I see as very useful are: Is she consistently doing what I want her to do? Is she mentally stable? For all the other questions, AWALT and a woman will do what a woman does. If she wants to be with you and then you ask about what she thinks about this and that specific past behavior, it's implied that you want to hear she regrets it. She'll tell you exactly what you want to hear. Whatever inference about the future is the same: she'l…
/r/TheRedPill08/02/24 02:52 PM
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I have a hard time distinguishing what’s LTR material. The only criterion I find somewhat useful is body count (mostly the story behind the number actually). But even body count is not that useful because the world has changed a lot and any young girl nowadays will have a high body count. Especially at the places where you’ll find them if looking intentionally. Also the few young church girls that aren’t married yet are not easy to find when you’re 38 at your hypothetical peak. I’d like to have …
/r/TheRedPill07/02/24 10:36 PM
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So you’re saying you wouldn’t care about the past at all even if she’s becoming a LTR?
/r/TheRedPill07/02/24 09:21 PM
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I’m honestly curious. How do you know something is LTR material? What about AWALT? Any material on that?
/r/TheRedPill07/02/24 09:20 PM
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The math is just wrong. It’s comparing a percentage in the universe of all women with a percentage in the universe of all rapist men. If you undo that, the conclusion is obviously absurd. Prevention efforts can benefit almost all women, while educating men in the hope of reaching and convincing rapist not to rape has very low return on investment.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 08:15 AM
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Alpha masculine traits. Beta masculine traits.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/21 09:39 PM
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Af/bb refers to two different time points. This study is looking at a single time point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 03:31 AM
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Ask the experts: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/8j75dv/back_to_the_basics_are_women_capable_of_love/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 10:17 PM
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So don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:26 PM
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Where do they say (i) they don't care at all about the preferences per se, and (ii) where do they say they only care about being lied about these preferences so that otherwise there would be nothing to worry about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 08:26 PM
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Yes. I agree. I'm not against people working on themselves. But I understand why people assume I'm saying people shouldn't worry about working on themselves. I think it's just because too many people come here to say that kind of stuff. Of course, I'll do it anyway. My question is if there is another set of recommendations for when I get there. I mean, a set of recommendations beyond getting better and maintaining this state.
/r/askTRP28/02/20 04:34 PM
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Wouldn't Hegalian Idealism also take the descriptive stuff less seriously? I mean, as a view about the external world.
/r/askTRP28/02/20 04:28 PM
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hieve something you first have to make a leap of faith that it is possible. This leap of faith isn't based on anything beyond blind belief. Its the leap you take when you decide to lift a heavy weight that you have never been able to lift before or do something bigger like overthow the Cuban dictator Bautista. That's enlightening! It makes a lot of sense that beta males create and insist on the normative aspect of the red pill. This also would explain why there is usually no normative aspect aft…
/r/askTRP28/02/20 07:14 AM
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I understand that. I'm not against people becoming the best version of themselves at all. It's very clear that people will observe more abundance as this happens, and there is nothing to think about. But the question is not about how to get to or how to keep this abundance state. I guess my question is more related to what people should do once they become these rock stars, pro athletes, millionaires, and billionaires. Or even what they should do when they become the best version of themselves e…
/r/askTRP28/02/20 07:07 AM
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Is there such a thing as realist abundance, when we accept our potential abundance? What are the recommendations for when we become the best we can be? The first paragraph was supposed to be the "TL:DR", but I forgot to make that explicit. Sorry about that.
/r/askTRP28/02/20 06:22 AM
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I definitely agree. I might have a hard time convincing myself there's no scarcity there, but that's the frame I would hold.
/r/askTRP28/02/20 05:47 AM
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I tried not to break any rules in the sidebar. This is a genuine question. I'm happy to change the post in any way to adapt.
/r/askTRP28/02/20 01:04 AM
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I understand the confusion. I used this term because of lack of a better term. But I assure you there is no hidden premise. It's a genuine question. I'm asking if "there is such a thing", and not saying "there is such a thing". I'm also not making any criticism of the kind "TRP is wrong because there is such a thing". In other words, I'm not stating something like "this book on investments is useless because I'm broke now but I have potential finances coming in." I'm actually asking something li…
/r/askTRP28/02/20 01:01 AM
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overanalyzing a complex system that you have no experience in. You're like a dude that read about atoms once and is now trying to create an operators guide to run a nuclear power plant. Your fundamentals are skewed, so all your conclusions are off. Your I understand and agree with your point. It seems like you're the first person so far to understand what I meant with the idea of potential abundance. I can become king of the 7 kingdom, consider myself the prize, and forget about the 9s. I think …
/r/askTRP28/02/20 12:52 AM
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Your link proves my point: Less thinking and more doing motherfuckers Shut up, bang bitches, be awesome, stop annoying me with your horseshit. Which is exactly what I said the obvious recommendation would be.
/r/askTRP27/02/20 10:22 PM
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Thanks. Edit: That's a great answer. I think I get the mentality and I can relate to it. In fact, even if we're not the best man we can be in every aspect yet, there are enough women in the world so that even with a small deviation, there would be some women who find us interesting. If we focus on improving ourselves, it also seems like many of our problems just cease to exist, so we don't have to worry much in advance. From your examples and others, it seems like the aspects in which men can im…
/r/askTRP27/02/20 09:55 PM
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