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If you register, you face no consequences. Nothing you listed is a consequence, if you register, and registering itself is not a physical hardship, only one that conflicts with your moral sense of freedom (i.e. an ideological hardship). You're missing my point.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 02:25 PM
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Registering causes no undue hardship, only ideological. As of right now (and I'm not claiming to speak for the future), even with your name on that list, you will not be shipped off to war. There is no chance you will be forced into the military unless official policy changes. You do not lose years of your life to the military as those men did, and because we are not currently being drafted, it is a separate policy question.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:05 AM
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The lots aren't being currently drawn, and in our arguments, we have to make sure that we understand and keep that consistent. We cannot claim we've gone through any undue hardship on account of our requirement to register as if we had actually been shipped off to war. It is purely an ideological burden, and a threat. That's all.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 03:06 AM
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That's all I was saying, that it is not happening this second. Of course it could be coming back. However, to properly address it as a problem, we must concede for the sake of argument that it is not happening right now.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 02:19 AM
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I agree, but that doesn't mean we can go around saying we're being "conscripted" when we are not. Our names are in all sorts of registries and even though I fundamentally disagree with this particular one, we are not being conscripted right now. That may change in the future, and then we can fight that battle. But what I'm trying to say is that you can't pretend we are being shipped off to war against our will right now.
/r/MensRights17/10/12 01:46 PM
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Absolutely, but that's a separate issue. Although there's a selective service registry, we are not in any way currently being conscripted.
/r/MensRights17/10/12 01:36 PM
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That doesn't mean it's irrelevant... You're right but we definitely shouldn't act like being registered is even the same order of magnitude as actually being shipped off to war
/r/MensRights17/10/12 01:23 PM
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Short answer, yes. I think it's foolish to assume there's any disparity, and I think the implication was an error.
/r/MensRights14/10/12 10:42 PM
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Post this to /r/OneY. It's all about this kind of stuff over there, and in my experience, this is more of a political sub.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 09:19 PM
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Also note that even rapes not committed at knife or gunpoint can be every bit as traumatic and terrible as those that are.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 03:23 PM
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This is dumb bullshit, not Men's Rights. She felt threatened by his presence (rightfully or not, but a feeling's a feeling) and used hyperbolic rhetoric to get the courts to side with her. Yes, it was rude to rape victims, and the wrong thing to say. But that's NOT Men's Rights being trampled, it's happening in every court in the country, every day, for all sorts of trials and reasons.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 03:12 PM
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Clearly didn't help in ops case
/r/MensRights22/09/12 03:22 PM
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And this is why, as a general rule, you should just never stare at or ogle anybody in public.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 09:24 PM
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The video is stupid, but this isn't that hard. Why does everybody act like the concept of positive consent is so difficult? If your partner is not into it, something is clearly wrong, and if you're sober enough to ascertain that said partner is not into it, then figure out what the hell is going on before you have sex. Not that hard. In a perfect world, sure, everybody would be instantly able to speak up for themselves and convincingly argue their position regardless of the situation but that's …
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:39 PM
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Just to be fair, pretty much everybody is shamed in a lot of sects of christianity
/r/MensRights08/09/12 09:30 PM
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Those are separate thoughts. She was saying the initial incident on it's own could've been construed as rape, not implying that she would've changed her opinion after the fact or that even after continuing the relationship she could call it rape.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 12:33 AM
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This is stupid. There are people on the internet who will say anything and everything. We can't regard every random comment on a message board as "proof" of anything, and why even bother calling attention to it? There are trolls everywhere, or just idiots. This is not front-page MR worthy
/r/MensRights20/08/12 07:27 PM
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When it's obvious from their voice that they are, and they aren't even explicitly saying they are female or asking for any special treatment, they are still harassed.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 05:06 AM
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I know a couple girls who like to play CoD and Halo, and they resent the fact (dont ask me - I hate talking and always mute everybody) that they can't speak on xbox live without it being a big deal, and it seems like a pain in the ass to be singled out like that. That's where I'm coming from.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 04:55 AM
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You're absolutely correct. The level of discourse in most online games is disgusting and atrocious, and no group deserves to be an "acceptable" insult. But progress is made one step at a time, IMO, and since the thread is talking about specifically female gamers I was just accepting everything else as inevitable. I may have conceded too much though, and thanks. I appreciate the sanity
/r/MensRights18/08/12 02:17 AM
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You're entirely missing the point! Nobody's asking the gaming community to change to "accommodate" women. The only request is that women be treated the same as anybody else. When you yell nigger or faggot or talk anything about someone's mother, it's not because you actually believe someone to be black or gay or plan to actually engage with said mother. It's just part of the community, and whatever, take it or leave it. I don't think most female gamers would care one bit about being called nigge…
/r/MensRights18/08/12 01:35 AM
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Far and away one of the most fascinating books I've ever read.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 04:38 AM
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Because MR is so much more open and welcoming of other opinions? Please. Hypocrites, all of us
/r/MensRights25/07/12 04:03 AM
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Because some people will be hurt for irrational reasons. Right. Because clearly, you are so much smarter and wiser than whoever you're sleeping with that you know whether their emotions and feelings are irrational. Your definition of "normal" behavior is that of a rapist. The rapist in the examples IS doing bad things. People don't have a right to self-determination? Your desire to sleep with them supersedes whatever wants they have?
/r/MensRights24/07/12 06:22 AM
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NO. NO. NO. YOU ARE WRONG. That is stupid. If somebody considers what anyone else is doing to be rape, then the person doing it has to stop. Immediately. And they are in the wrong. If we make every sexual experience that somebody considers rape (and will be legitimately hurt by) rape, then we're going to end up with pretty much no way for sex to occur. The fuck? What are you talking about? It's called consent. If you think you might be raping someone, you have to stop. In healthy sexual interact…
/r/MensRights24/07/12 05:54 AM
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Just to say it, top comment on a MR thread about a man getting raped is "You are a victim, and you deserve support and validation". GOOD! Fantastic. Yet somehow, whenever it's an article about a woman who claims she was raped, the comments would become - Why did she let that happen? Was she dressed inappropriately? She's in college... You have to take care of yourself. Shame on her for not being careful. For all she knows she was leading him on all night after she drank too much, of her own voli…
/r/MensRights24/07/12 05:33 AM
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I agree completely with your first paragraph. Dead on. But not the second As far as I understand the world, people (men or women) who are the victims of the morally dubious area consider themselves to be raped. Just take this post on MR earlier today - http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/x18ej/i_was_taken_advantage_of_by_a_girl_at_my_college/ - Is that rape? Sounds like it to me. Yet firmly within the gray area. And while you're correct that it's my "opinion" of what rape is, if the vict…
/r/MensRights24/07/12 05:23 AM
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Rape is not clearly defined enough for society to choose not to condone it.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 05:08 AM
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Okay sure but in my case it's large enough to hold significant sway. And that's obviously a subjective measurement but my point is that you can't say that society doesn't condone rape without sources because your experiences are limited you know? You can't base a national or world climate on your personal experience
/r/MensRights24/07/12 04:42 AM
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Society is different everywhere. There are elements of mine that do. And besides, society as a whole can hardly even decide what rape consists of, much less take an active stance against it.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 04:21 AM
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Society obviously does NOT condone rape Source, please
/r/MensRights24/07/12 03:58 AM
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This article is idiotic and too biased to be useful. She actually makes an interesting point but buries it beneath soapboxing about her "superior" old-timey sense of morality and straw-manning all the actual feminist principles she refers to.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 03:48 AM
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Its really bizarre. You just wake up the next morning and you know that obviously you had a full night but all you have are flashes of the places you were and the people you were with. And the problem is that it just happens. There's no set amount of drinking it takes. For me these kind of cases are like, yeah. She fucked up. No ones arguing that. But at the same time its our responsibility as human beings to not take advantage of each other when we mess up like that. And where the line of being…
/r/MensRights17/07/12 12:20 PM
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She's also missing large chunks... Have you never been too drunk in your life? I admit she's an idiot for taking 7 shots and then drinking more, but everyone deserves a reasonable degree of protection out in the world. You can't live assuming that every time you get drunk you're going to be coerced into sex and buying time in the VIP room. The strippers had both a professional and human responsibility not to take advantage of this woman, and yet did.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 01:16 PM
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Did anyone even fucking read the police report? Jesus christ. "She recalled having several strippers walk her to the bar" "She recalled the males speaking in numbers and the males giving her debit card to the bartender" "The next thing she remembers was being in the VIP room with 2, possibly 3 white strippers." She was at least partially coerced into the VIP room by these strippers when she was too drunk to give any sort of consent, and yet somehow MR is still united and convinced that because a…
/r/MensRights16/07/12 12:19 AM
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Did you even read the police report? Did anyone? Jesus christ. "She recalled having several strippers walk her to the bar" "She recalled the males speaking in numbers and the males giving her debit card to the bartender" "The next thing she remembers was being in the VIP room with 2, possibly 3 white strippers." None of that is even slightly suspect? The fact that it seems she was coerced into that situation without any positive consent?
/r/MensRights16/07/12 12:00 AM
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Sort of. Having sex with someone who is too drunk to consent, while there may not even be any particular force applied, is still rape. And so on and so forth. This is why positive consent is so important.
/r/MensRights15/07/12 11:42 PM
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Let me just say that NOBODY HERE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED. By instantly condemning this woman (without really any evidence except a quote with no context) you do the same thing the courts do when they assume that every man is instantly a rapist. People can be raped any time, anywhere, and by anyone, no matter what previous actions they've taken. You can't pass judgment on this without more facts
/r/MensRights14/07/12 11:49 AM
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No the definition of rape IS sex you do not want. Force does not need to be involved
/r/MensRights14/07/12 05:30 AM
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The entire prison system is a much larger discussion, but this is not the answer. Legislation needs to be changed to reflect that rape accusers are not always honest, such that a rape accusation cannot be used as evidence or a reason for firing, expulsion, or any other ill consequences. Rape as a crime rarely fits into a cookie-cutter, and as such applying prison sentences just entrenches everyone in their hostile positions. What if a girl honestly thinks she was raped and then evidence comes ou…
/r/MensRights11/07/12 03:49 PM
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Sorry no. Locking people up just doesn't solve anything
/r/MensRights11/07/12 03:58 AM
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This is the patriarchy showing itself!
/r/MensRights11/07/12 03:57 AM
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No you were correct to bring attention to it. It's an important part of the big picture when you're talking about rape and false rape accusations! The article phrased it badly, though - It should've said plight of those people who are genuinely victims of rape.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 12:44 AM
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I mean, yeah, I suppose she deserves to be punished but two years, eight months? Jesus.. This can't be the answer. We have enough people rotting in prison as it is.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 12:36 AM
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No it doesn't matter what I am. Political discourse has always dominated by men in this country. That is the heart of the patriarchy, and to say that our mothers or women of any era (themselves influenced by the more-prevalent patriarchy of the time) had an equal say in the affairs of the country is just patently false. But fine, I'll bite. If there "was" a patriarchy, when do you think it ceased to exist?
/r/MensRights08/07/12 11:50 PM
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I suppose you're right. But I say it more as fact than opinion because honestly, to say that biological imperatives so far removed from our modern condition matter more than our culture that feeds us input every moment of every day sounds insane to me. But I concede that that is an opinion. Let me look for sources. And I'm not making emotional claims - Isn't that the logical path the evolutionary logic follows? Why would something not evolutionarily desire to be self-sufficient unless there were…
/r/MensRights08/07/12 11:41 PM
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I don't consider myself a feminist. To deny there's a patriarchy is just stupidity, though
/r/MensRights08/07/12 10:07 PM
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Patriarchy IS male authority of society. And it's an unjust social system that oppresses men and women in different ways.
/r/MensRights08/07/12 09:05 PM
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The patriarchy is OPPRESSIVE. That does not make it the same as raw oppression.
/r/MensRights08/07/12 09:02 PM
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The patriarchy is why a lot of people assume that and act as if women need to be provided for. I'm not saying anyone's oppressed.
/r/MensRights08/07/12 08:50 PM
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The patriarchy is not limited to one gender, and everyone confuses the fact that a patriarchy exists with things being wonderful for men. Why are men supposed to pay for dinner? Why are we the supposedly superior providers? Why is the suicide rate for men 5x that of women? It's the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights08/07/12 08:48 PM
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No! In this day and age, culture is infinitely more important than your (sorry but it is) pseudo-biology. They're reluctant to pay because of social norms, not "biology". When the patriarchal culture teaches women from birth that the most important thing a decent man can do is provide for her, of course she's going to seek out men who can provide. That's not biology, that's culture. Is the fact that the suicide rate is 5x as high amongst men as women because men are more biologically inclined to…
/r/MensRights08/07/12 08:31 PM
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Yes. Because the patriarchy has told women that men are supposed to be the providers and any man that doesn't have the money to spare to pay for dinner isn't worth their time.
/r/MensRights08/07/12 08:20 PM
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Just for the record, the first thing is a good example of the patriarchy...
/r/MensRights08/07/12 06:18 PM
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Yes. To acknowledge that a patriarchy exists is the first step to actually solving men's rights issues. From what I've seen, most legitimate MR complaints can be traced back to said patriarchy.
/r/MensRights29/06/12 09:40 PM
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Glad someone said it. Feminists as a group are stereotyped, trashed, and assumed to be horrible, man-hating people here more than anywhere else I've ever seen.
/r/MensRights29/06/12 09:37 PM
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Let's be honest though it's not like the MRA stance on feminists and feminism is really at all different...
/r/MensRights29/06/12 09:34 PM
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But you can't say whether it works or not because you can't place yourself in someone else's head. The point is to get the word out to people that not thinking it through can be rape, and that it is everyone's responsibility to think it through, especially men, with the physical/strength advantage we have. Whether it's effective is another argument but I don't think it's necessarily flawed in the way you say it is.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 12:09 AM
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But everybody doesn't know or agree on what's wrong. That's the contention of "rape culture" - that people don't know what's wrong because those lines are so hard to define, and thus people are committing rapes that they can tell themselves aren't rapes.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 12:04 AM
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And this, I feel, is the most important stage of rape-consideration/ rape-committing that should be targeted by advertising campaigns, because it's the stage at which moral individuals can be dissuaded from committing a crime. But aren't the advertising campaigns doing just that? "Men can stop rape"... by understanding properly what it is and where those gray lines are, right?
/r/MensRights24/06/12 10:09 PM
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Props for understanding the idea of rape culture correctly. Why don't you buy into it? Honest question, because a lot of my experiences suggest that there is some merit to the rape culture theory.
/r/MensRights24/06/12 10:04 PM
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This is a stupid post and a stupid thread. I come here for real mens rights issues, not gripes about individual encounters with women that you can magically turn into cultural bias against you. Why does everybody here think they have the right to automatically assume the worst about every woman they see and also complain that all women look at them as perverts and rapists?
/r/MensRights21/06/12 10:01 PM
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We made women's rights jokes all the time in high school. Want to hear a joke? Women's rights. And everyone would laugh. High school idiots would have a field day with an unprotected wikipedia page.
/r/MensRights16/06/12 05:35 PM
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Cherry picked quotes, fine. But what are you talking about dodgy advocacy research? How can you possibly have any idea how well-done the research is?
/r/MensRights15/06/12 01:14 AM
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Sure. You're right that you could probably find whatever quotes you wanted but this is the important part. The University of Surrey reports on the study (conducted jointly with researchers at Middlesex University), to be published in the British Journal of Psychology. Researchers gave a group of men and women quotes from the British lad mags FHM, Loaded, Nuts and Zoo, as well as excerpts from interviews with actual convicted rapists originally published in the book The Rapist Files. The particip…
/r/MensRights15/06/12 01:12 AM
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This is the idea of rape culture.
/r/MensRights15/06/12 01:03 AM
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http://jezebel.com/5866602/can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-mens-magazine-and-a-rapist Biased blog but the data is the data. There are strong elements of our culture that do excuse, tolerate and encourage rape.
/r/MensRights15/06/12 12:59 AM
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not everyone is out to get you. But mom was shocked, so you probably had about a 1 in 10 chance of getting yourself in trouble. You can't say there was a 1 in 10 chance of getting into trouble! You have no idea! That number just comes out of your ass! It is enough if one in one thousand gets you into a legal quagmire, days or week in jail, tens of thousands in legal cost, etc. Huge risk for basically zero gain. Rather huge risk for you giving away your time and effort. Not worth it. Nope. Firstl…
/r/MensRights13/06/12 02:48 PM
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I say you made the wrong choice. "He deserved a bit of honesty about how the world works?" No. You can't use that to justify your actions. In all probability nothing would've gone wrong, but you too were scared by all the media and MR hype to be a decent human being, and honestly you should be ashamed that fear kept you from doing a decent thing. The kid was not 6. You should've taken him home. It would've been fine. The way to remove the stigma around men is to do the decent thing enough times …
/r/MensRights13/06/12 04:39 AM
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This is stupid and not a mens rights issue. Novelty gifts (even expensive ones) aimed at a particularly dumb segment of the population are not mens rights issues.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 05:01 PM
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It may be a little bit of a straw man which I apologize for, but to me calling it a Men's Rights issue implies that it if there were equivalent numbers of female suicides in the military it wouldn't be a problem. This is not a men's right issue - It's a human rights issue.
/r/MensRights05/06/12 12:38 AM
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No. Calling this a male privilege issue is just wasting time. The problem worth trying to fix is that ANY soldiers are driven to kill themselves, not the fact that not enough of them are women.
/r/MensRights04/06/12 08:14 AM
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Just for the record, what are everyone's feelings on Marissa Alexander? I'm not sure what to think.
/r/MensRights04/05/12 11:06 AM
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Stop. This is really frontpage MensRights worthy? I'm a man who, surrounded by feminists, wants to get r/mensrights side of the story. But this blog post is hardly worth my time because it's not a real argument. This is supposed to be some sort of evidence feminists are evil and we are oppressed and need to band together and fight? Rather than accurately read, argue, or address a single point Hodgkinson actually makes, the whole post focuses on the smallest inconsistency possible, a misused ster…
/r/MensRights03/05/12 01:47 AM
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Thank you for saying it too. Sorry you got downvoted. This post was a waste of my time.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 01:32 AM
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