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CMVFrothySolutions/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:45 PM
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Question For WomenFrothySolutions/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:48 PM
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Question For WomenFrothySolutions/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:50 PM
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Question For WomenFrothySolutions/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:24 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:36 PM
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I'm describing how I (and men like me) should feel physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:00 PM
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In a perfect world, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:48 PM
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Or whatever's snatching your nut.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:42 PM
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I asked how you describe what's healthy for a man sexually. That involves describing how a man should feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:22 PM
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Then you tell me, what is passion about men's sexual health supposed to sound like? In words? How do you passionately describe what's healthy for a man sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:17 PM
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What makes you think men aren't? The men who choose to are. The men who pay the cost of raging erections in their 80s are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:58 PM
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If your marriage is that dysfunctional, don't stoop to the level of your neglectful partner. It won't even work. If my goal is to appear incompetent so I don't have to do anything, and your response to that is to call me a big dummy, is that supposed to hurt me? The goal is to be a dummy, yes. Dummies have easy lives.
/r/RedPillWives20/12/25 08:57 PM
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I don't care about death, I care about a shitty life lived. Like I said, I should die before my dick dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:54 PM
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Okay, Renew Vitality is one. I was just talking to them about some TRT for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:43 PM
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Maybe you just think passion is weird. Passion when it comes to men's sexual health.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:00 PM
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Oh no, morning wood is crucial. CRUCIAL.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:41 PM
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Once you reach a certain age, and are a man, check the mail. Talk with your doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:39 PM
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low sexual desire How do you describe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:14 PM
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But they do, the clinics are out there making a concerted effort to reach out to men of a certain age about this thing. You shouldn't have to accept deficiency and dysfunction just because you get old. And that's without drugs, even. You say "Decreasing testosterone is normal as you age?" Not if you fight it. Not if you eat right and lift heavy. You can hold onto it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:13 PM
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This is not a "normal" men are expected to accept. Nor should they. If you're at a certain age, clinics are begging men to get on TRT. As long as your heart can handle it. "You're just old now" is not what men are told, by and large. You might be told "Your insurance doesn't cover it," but not "This is normal."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:05 PM
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What sort of function are women after?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:58 PM
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I think the way you are describing it is that you are asking if women get sexually aroused from just looking at men around them? Is that what you are trying to ask? I'm asking if that's what they want to feel. If women see a man who looks a certain way, but don't experience a clitoral erection, do they think "Hold on, he's hot, I should be experiencing a clitoral erection right now. Something is wrong with me?" Because the equivalent is how I (and men like me) feel. You say "sexual urge isn't se…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:57 PM
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Why can't you dictate "when?" I don't think I'm understanding your response. I'm asking "Do women want to feel strong physical attraction to the men around them?" Because what I described in my post was a man feeling strong physical attraction to the women around him. Not just women he knows, not just women he's formed connections with. If she looks a certain way, dick is hard. Zero questions asked. If I can't manage that, I'm not healthy. Is that how women feel? If their clits don't get hard wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:47 PM
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Yes, but that's not something you should worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:36 PM
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Everyone wants to feel desire, I'm asking when you should feel it, and how strong it should be. I said "WhenEVER I see a certain kind of woman, my dick gets hard." Do women want the equivalent? Do women want hard clits whenever they see a certain kind of body shape? Because that's what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:35 PM
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Isn't that what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:32 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the words you're saying. But about my response to your first message, I was explaining what sexual health is for men (and men like me). I didn't mean "sexual well-being," I meant "sexual health." Because that's what it is for me (and men like me). Now if you're saying "That's not what it is for me (and women like me)," that's fine. But I thought you were asking me if I meant "men's sexual well-being." I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:21 PM
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Not just the dick being hard, there's also the number of orgasms and volume of semen. But more than that, it's about the "when." I didn't just say "I'd like my dick to be hard." That could mean anything. What I said was "I'd like my dick to be hard when I see certain women." I want my dick to be hard often, not "when I've facilitated desire with my partner." That's the difference. Or is it? Maybe women want to feel the same way. Maybe women want to be able to look at strangers on a bus and think…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:17 PM
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I'm not seeking advice, I'm just outlining what my (and other men's) health priorities are and wondering if women feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:15 PM
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Yes, low testosterone results in not having morning wood. It results in women not exciting you like they used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:13 PM
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ED is erectile dysfunction. Isn't that what I described? How an erection should function?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:13 PM
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I do not think you covered health at all here. Every concern I've raised can be attributed to a dysfunctional hormone profile. If a man doesn't feel this way, something is wrong with his hormones. Something might be wrong with his nutrition. He might not be getting enough zinc. Might not be getting enough Vitamin D. If you're deficient in these areas, weak sex drive is the first symptom you should check.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:12 PM
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Why do you think men supplement zinc? A deficiency in this means you don't produce heavy enough loads.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:09 PM
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But if this wasn't the forum for that, there'd be a rule about it. My post has substance, I just riced it up with a passionate delivery. My only crime is being passionate, and there's nothing in the r/PurplePillDebate rulebook against passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:03 PM
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The way you describe is not sexual health but sexual urge. Lack of sexual urge is unhealthy. A disorder on a physical level, like a mouth that doesn't water or a heart that doesn't beat. If your dick's not hard when it should be, you probably have hormonal issues. At least for me (and men like me) it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:02 PM
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Well, as long as I'm not breaking any rules. I might be obsessed, and that might put people off. But I'm within my rights to make the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:47 PM
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Where's that in the rule book? I'm passionate about the issue, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:44 PM
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Medical issues like what? Absence of morning wood is a medical issue for men like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:44 PM
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If I don't feel this way, my sex drive is low. I lack the hormone profile to make me feel this way. Also, not being able to perform is a physical dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:43 PM
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So how am I supposed to have a discussion about the differences in sexual priorities between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:40 PM
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Who says I'm not listening? I only just now asked the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:34 PM
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No. This is why men go on TRT. It's a physical disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:32 PM
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No, when I say these things I mean "sexual health." There's something physically wrong with me if I don't feel the way I've described. It's a disorder. It's not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:30 PM
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I guess the point I'm trying to make is, women don't feel this same way about sexual health. But I don't wanna assume, so I'm asking women first.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:21 PM
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I don't wanna argue, I just wanna know what "sexual health" means to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:18 PM
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Did you mean to post this in this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:52 PM
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Finesse what?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 12:09 AM
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Why can't she play a character the girls will accept, same as how she plays a character the boys will accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:31 PM
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But the wrong opinion of you with men means you don't get money. Does she want acceptance more than she wants money?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:04 PM
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I don't have any ideas. But does she receive no feedback in life on what other women like? Just by living she should have some idea of what women like, if it's possible to learn what men like.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:18 PM
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So why would it mean knowing what every man wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:13 PM
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So she knows what men want, but not what other women want? Even though she's a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:53 PM
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But she's afraid to be her real self with the women, just as she is for the men. It's just she uses different tactics with each.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:45 PM
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The issue is, she's acting for the boys but stammering and tripping over her words for the girls. So I'm wondering which is the harder social situation for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:40 PM
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But if men create the standards, and the standards are meant to please men, wouldn't men notice more quickly that a woman isn't meeting the standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:32 PM
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So why not put on a mask for all people? As opposed to wearing a mask for some but tripping over yourself to make others like the real you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:29 PM
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What are they looking for, and why is there such anxiety that they won't find it? In both cases there seems to be a fear that the judgers won't like the real person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:54 PM
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Why not play a character with the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:46 PM
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I just happened to be reminded of this phenomenon at the time. It's not just porn stars I see this happen with. My remarks upon seeing it were "I notice this too often when women get together. Not just in these interviews, but in conversations between women in lots of places."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:44 PM
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Question For Women: When you imagine/suppose that a man is "good at sex," what do you imagine that means? Does anyone remember that one episode of Seinfeld where Jerry dates Katya the Romanian gymnast? And he and Kramer and probably George all infer that sex with her would be especially pleasurable/exciting? Why do they presume this? What do they think being a gymnast affords you sexually? It doesn't make a lot of sense, and that's the joke. It's just seeing a woman being flexible and flipping a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:36 PM
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But if you're visual like men are, it should be enough to wanna fuck a guy from a picture or a video. Men are driven to fuck visually hot women not for any lack of touch/smell motivated drive, but for presence of visually motivated drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:03 AM
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But do you go on the Internet to look at scruffy nerds for masturbatory aid?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:07 AM
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You'd think that's what Tinder would be based on. So how come there's a whole cottage industry of description crafting and photo etiquette? If it were really as simple as "Look a certain way," like it is for women, we'd have figured it out by now and these industries wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:31 AM
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I'm told by women here that it isn't like that. You can't show a woman a picture of a man and ask if she'd fuck him based off of that. Not like you can with a man shown a picture of a hot woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:25 AM
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I never said women liked sex less than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:51 AM
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That's obvious. But what makes them sexually attractive? If what I've been told in the opening post is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:21 PM
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But if this subreddit is correct, it's only men who decide whether they would be interested in fucking a woman based on her body. So I'm asking what it is that women base that decision on. Because it's not this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:12 PM
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But they don't just have sex with anybody. Similar how a man probably wouldn't fuck just any woman. He probably wants to fuck a roman with a fat ass and slender waist. But if women aren't sexually aroused by bodies the same way men are, what drives sexual attraction? The kind of sexual attraction that is specifically for sex and has nothing to do with anyone's feelings for the person themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:03 PM
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But you don't just have sex with anybody. So what makes you pick the people you have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 05:26 PM
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But you didn't just fuck the first thing that moved, what was the impetus that made you first take interest in a sexual partner sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:42 AM
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Who said women didn't enjoy sex? I specifically say that they do, and many with multiple partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:10 AM
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I specifically said you're NOT programmed with a lust for big packages. But I'm asking what you are programmed with a lust for. Because "confidence" cannot itself be sexually attractive. Plenty of men are "confident," but this alone doesn't inspire arousal in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 09:40 PM
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So how do you come by multiple sexual partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:57 PM
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Does he have to initiate in order for there to be sexual arousal?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:47 PM
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He escalates? This is not about him being into you. What makes YOU into HIM?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:00 PM
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If the motivations were the same, those same drives would drive women to do the other things men do when motivated by that drive. But if I go on Reddit and ask men if they'd have sex with a woman if she was hot enough, the vast majority will say yes. But last time I tried this question with women about men, there were a bunch of responses about how personal connection and excitement/interest in them as a person were first necessary. Men are not on OnlyFans like "Boy, I bet she's an interesting p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:56 PM
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Men have preferences too, but the gist is the same. Men's preferences aren't that different. But I'm not looking for you to fall in love. I'm looking for sexual arousal and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:37 PM
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So being relaxed is sexually arousing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:35 PM
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Then what is it about them that makes them worth having sex with? If it isn't simply about finding someone they can trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:29 PM
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This would mean women don't find anything sexually stimulating about the man, they came pre-stimulated and the real search was finding a man they could trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:26 PM
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But a lowered guard isn't the same thing as sexual interest. Whether I'm "looking" for sex or not, a woman with the right body will always be sexually appealing to me. And if I wasn't busy and she would let me, I'd have sex with her. I don't think that applies with women just because the guy is fun and safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:22 PM
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I don't even know what the redpill argument is, you can't blame me for other people's woman slander. But if you care about appearance like men do, wouldn't that mean you stay looking up pictures of outdoorsy men and masturbating to them and such?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:21 PM
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Being fun and safe does not itself make a woman wanna have sex with a man. But having the right sized ass will make a man wanna have sex with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:17 PM
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How do you mean? You see a guy on the street and you're like "What a vibe that guy has?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:10 PM
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But men and women are different, apparently. What is that initial thing that piques sexual interest in heterosexual men? The woman's body. And I'm told this is not the same for heterosexual women. Why do so many men pay into OnlyFans? Because they feel sexual urge for the women they pay to see. Why do they feel sexual urge? Because they have exceptional bodies and are showing them off. Doesn't work that way for women. Or at least that's what they tell me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:09 PM
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You're not a woman? You might be asked to repost this under the AutoModerator. It's not really an obvious rule, but if it's a Question For Men or Question For Women, the opposite sex is only allowed to respond to comments. The comments of the sex that has been questioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:03 PM
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But what makes them sexually attractive? What about them inspires a drive to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:59 PM
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I was told this by an overwhelming consensus of women on this subreddit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:28 PM
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No, I don't think I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:21 PM
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Round asses? Because I was told women aren't like men when it comes to sexual motivation. They don't aspire to fuck a guy just because he looks a certain way or that a certain part of him is a certain size.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:20 PM
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But you don't just take any man's cum.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:19 PM
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Yes, ideally I'd like to hear from women who have lots of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:18 PM
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What would multiple different people have in common that makes them exciting?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:11 PM
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But you don't have sex with just anybody. Something has to compel you to want sex with a particular someone. And I'm interested in what that is for women who enjoy sex with multiple partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:10 PM
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Interesting contribution, but I'm looking for people who aren't seeking a commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:09 PM
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What is a "high value man?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:09 PM
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I'm sure you don't like revenge. But note the disclaimer in the opening post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:41 AM
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But we're not talking about the actual you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:09 PM
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That's a good answer, but you're a man? The mods might ask you to move this down to the automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:29 AM
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I'm not asking how you personally would, not the actual you. I mean the person I've described in this scenario. A person who WOULD pursue revenge. You have to imagine things from their perspective. Imagine you are them. So you don't get to say "Nah I wouldn't do revenge, revenge isn't for me."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:22 AM
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I'm aware you personally might not be into revenge. But did you read the opening post?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:16 AM
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If that's the revenge you seek, then fine. But you prefaced by saying you didn't want to make the person regret it. That would mean it's not revenge. But if you DO want to make someone regret something through your living well, then it's revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:55 AM
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You're ignoring the question because the question isn't about the actual you. The person in this scenario would seek revenge. That part doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:21 AM
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Then you're ignoring the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:15 AM
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The post says I'm aware that you personally might not approve of revenge, but we aren't talking about the actual "you."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 03:08 AM
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Did you read the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 02:59 AM
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Nothing actually happened, this is hypothetical. This post is all there is to the scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:34 PM
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That's what you would do, but we're talking about a hypothetical "you."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 11:50 AM
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Revenge must be served in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:09 AM
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If that's your idea of revenge, then it's a good answer. Just don't say "Don't seek revenge." Because you'd be refusing to answer the question. But if "get a revenge body" is your answer, what should his body look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:52 PM
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We're not talking about realistic advice. We're talking about revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:41 PM
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Yes, but this is hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:39 PM
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In my post I say "We're not talking about the actual you, use your imagination."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:35 PM
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That's what I'm talking about. It doesn't have to be her, but being what women in general are attracted to will make her sorry she left.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:16 PM
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You wouldn't, but we're talking about an imaginary person that you're imagining yourself as.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:04 PM
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Okay, so how do you become a man that she wants to be with?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:53 PM
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She can't feel regret?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:45 PM
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Well, you have to leave, because she left you. But once you guys are separate, how do you make her regret her decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:27 PM
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No, make her regret what she's missing out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:10 PM
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Nothing bad happened. This is to answer a question. Can you imagine what you'd do if you were seeking revenge?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:05 PM
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I'm specifically talking about revenge though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:59 PM
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That's what the actual you would do. The hypothetical you would seek some kind of revenge. Because the "you" I've described is a revenge seeker.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:57 PM
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So acquire value?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:55 PM
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Do you have no imagination? Can you not at least imagine what would be revenge for someone in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:48 PM
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This woman is a sadist, that's why she did what she did. But imagine if you didn't blame yourself. Imagine you only blamed her, because she's sadistic. How would you seek revenge?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:46 PM
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Can you name some things? What's a day in the life of a qwueen?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:44 PM
1

But what if he does want her?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:43 PM
1

You could make her regret what she's done..
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:43 PM
1

This hypothetical person in this scenario. But you have to imagine that you are this person. You have to imagine that this happened to you and you're the kind of person who would seek revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:42 PM
1

Excellent answer. How do you treat a qwueen?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:37 PM
1

Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:37 PM
1

We're not talking about what you personally would actually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:37 PM
2

Make her regret what she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:36 PM
1

But I didn't ask about the actual you. I asked about the hypothetical person in this hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:35 PM
1

No, she cheated on you. She cheated with the other guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:35 PM
1

But that is revenge, right? We're talking about petty revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:34 PM
2

If she hurts you, you should find it within yourself to stop loving her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:33 PM
1

They didn't actually like you, they were unattracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:28 PM
1

You're not, but we're talking about a hypothetical "you."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:26 PM
2

But what if you wanted to hurt her, not yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:26 PM
2

What would be your best life?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:25 PM
1

We're not talking about what's healthy. We're talking about what someone who wants to do this should do if they want to achieve their goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:24 PM
1

If she doesn't care for you as you once were, then become someone she would regret missing out on. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:24 PM
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If she later realizes she missed out on something, then yes she would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:19 PM
1

Excellent. Better how?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:18 PM
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Not convince her to stay, convince her to regret leaving. She doesn't get to come back, she gets to feel bad about what she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:15 PM
1

But you have to show them some value that would make them say "Wow, I fucked up."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:14 PM
1

Are you a dude? If so, you'll probably be asked to post under the automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:13 PM
1

I'm sure you personally wouldn't. But I said we're talking about a hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:09 PM
1

It's revenge if it makes her think "Damn, I should have stayed with that guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:08 PM
1

What clothes are gonna make her regret breaking your heart?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:07 PM
1

But if you did, if you were a heterosexual man and this happened to you and you wanted to show her what she missed out on, what would you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:05 PM
2

But if you want revenge, you want revenge. Not therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:03 PM
1

Why therapy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:30 PM
1

What clothes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:25 PM
1

Connection to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:25 PM
1

It's not a gender thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:24 PM
1

I'm sure you would, but we're not actually talking about you. We're talking about a hypothetical scenario where you had to show her what she missed out on by leaving you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:17 PM
1

But if you had to conceive of some way of showing her what she missed out on and why she should've stayed, what would you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:16 PM
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Better how? Also, you're a man, so you might get modded.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:15 PM
3

The woman in this scenario has no dreams of being a housewife.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:14 PM
1

But if you had to seek revenge, what would you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:12 PM
0

This is a hypothetical situation, it's meant to answer a separate question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:12 PM
2

Is that your revenge? Or are you advocating for not seeking revenge? Because the goal is revenge. To show her what she missed out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:11 PM
1

So this is what you should seek to show her what she missed out on? Also, are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:09 PM
1

What should be achieved in the gym, what should the clothes and shoes look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:08 PM
1

You say this as if men would but women wouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:07 PM
2

Excellent. What would a glow up entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:28 PM
0

Excellent. What would happiness and success entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:27 PM
1

But if you had to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:14 PM
-3

But if you had to, how would you go about doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:13 PM
1

How are those books not considered redpilled? Does Amazon have an anti-redpill policy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:11 PM
1

So the problem with The Red Pill is what it promises? It's wrong to want/pursue this because it doesn't really exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:07 AM
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I don't think that's necessarily true. In fact I remember a video or something where a woman did some kind of experiment to test how often she got touched in a club? I think she wore some kind of special haptics to record it? But the moral of the story was, just because you seem to have a good rapport with someone you just met, it doesn't necessarily mean you can start tapping and touching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 10:06 PM
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How do I actually know I have consent to touch her?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 09:06 PM
2

But I don't think anyone anti-redpill would condone randomly touching women in the club.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 06:58 PM
1

So the problem is pursuing what The Red Pill claims to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:41 PM
1

Why is there no non-redpilled guide?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:20 AM
2

So the problem is what The Red Pill promises? Because it's impossible?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:33 AM
1

So is there a proper way to get what The Red Pill promises?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:18 AM
1

But that's the idea The Red Pill sells. So the problem would be wanting what The Red Pill promises?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:05 AM
4

This sounds like redpilled stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:04 AM
0

For a lot of men, yes, they're getting so little sex that getting more is the clear priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:04 AM
1

So how do you compete?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:59 AM
2

So the promise itself is wrong? Because it's not just about having sex, it's about cutting through the bullshit and immediately putting sex on the table as soon as you meet a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:50 AM
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That's the point at the center of this thread. The Blue Pill isn't offering men any solutions to pursuing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:47 AM
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Not just dress better and be healthy. I mean succeed in exuding masculine sexuality. I might lift and take care of my skin, but women won't necessarily walk up to me with sex on their minds. The Red Pill sells this idea that they can make that happen for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:34 AM
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That would be talking about dancing. The dream that The Red Pill sells is that you will immediately create a sexual mood simply by being yourself. If you follow The Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:30 AM
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I don't understand. If the theory is bullshit, doesn't that mean it's wrong to want what it promises?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:26 AM
1

So instead of forcing Person B, what do I do? What is the right way to achieve this lifestyle of masculine sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:17 AM
1

So if it's not wrong to want this, The Red Pill is wrong about how to achieve it? So how then should you achieve it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:15 AM
1

The pill colors are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:12 AM
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The problem is that these men don't wanna talk about feelings or hobbies at all. Just skip straight to the fun stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:10 AM
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But if I want to reject The Red Pill but still have these things, shouldn't The Blue Pill either be helping me or not denouncing what should be a helpful guide to those who don't know how to exude masculine sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:09 AM
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Why would you have sex without an orgasm? That's not why these men are seeking sex with women. To just have sex without gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:08 AM
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So if it's not wrong to want this, and it's not wrong to seek guidance to it, why exactly does The Blue Pill oppose The Red Pill on this, it's most central tenet?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:07 AM
1

But why does it have to be sex if both sex and masturbation lead to orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:02 AM
2

If the end result is an orgasm, why don't I just jack off?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:56 PM
4

She has to want to do it. She has to be attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:49 PM
2

But all of the guides for this are redpilled. There's no blue guide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:47 PM
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Not absolutely no words, but I think the idea is that her sexual intentions should be apparent right away, as soon as you meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:42 PM
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I dunno, lotta guys wish they could have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:36 PM
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It's not as simple as going to a bar and asking someone for sex, that's why there are guides. That's why there are gurus saying "Women in clubs won't have sex with you because you're not following my guide."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:36 PM
3

So why doesn't The Blue Pill offer a guide to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:26 PM
1

So (if I believe in The Red Pill) it's not that I want women to leave me alone, it's that women don't really even wanna talk about their feelings or hobbies. I'm doing women the favor by being the man they actually wish I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:26 PM
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The red pill thinking is that women aren't really interested in nonsexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:22 PM
1

What are those views?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:19 PM
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This is about me being the sexual object. Women looking at me and thinking "I don't wanna do anything boring with him. I wanna do the fun stuff with him. The sex. I only have sex with alphas, I save the boring stuff for everyone else."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:18 PM
-1

My question is, is it wrong to want this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:11 PM
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By "emotional sponge" I mean "gets talked to about feelings/anything nonsexual." Whether that's one way or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:08 PM
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Have casual sex and avoid the hangups that get in the way of that. It's about having casual sex but not having to talk about her hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:04 PM
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That's what I mean. Be a purely sexual being. It's not just about being desirable, it's about not being the kind of supposed "loser" who gets stuck being an "emotional sponge."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 10:56 PM
1

What if he has a nice ass but not those qualities you connect to a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:08 AM
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So it's more "I like his dick because he's a good man?" As opposed to me, where I say "She's a good woman because I like her breasts?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:39 PM
1

What about your personal perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:20 PM
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So it's because it's his dick. That's not really the same as the man's desire I described above. Me, the breasts I wanna bury myself in are delectable regardless of the woman attached to them. They're not good breasts because they're hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:07 PM
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Now, is that because his ass and legs are attractive? Would they be just as attractive on a man who wasn't your husband? If you weren't married and you saw a man flaunting his ass and legs and they looked like your husband's, would you be like "Man, I gotta bite that ass?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:05 PM
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Leading how? I explain in the latter post that I know women do enjoy sex, so there's probably something about the desire I don't understand and am asking for clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:04 PM
1

So it's about the man himself, not any particular quality of his?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:00 PM
1

So then what is it that women appreciate in a man that drives active desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:59 PM
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Wouldn't those kinds of videos be the equivalent? Self improvement videos? Wojak videos also discuss self improvement and independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 06:16 PM
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Off topic? But this is about the gender dynamics between men and women. Because men are a certain way, they have Wojak videos. So I'm wondering what the equivalent expression for women is when they feel whatever it is men feel that brings about Wojak videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 05:59 PM
1

But what does that have to do with understanding yourself? If I know I'm projecting, I understand myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 08:55 AM
1

What in that hypothetical scenario wouldn't be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:31 AM
0

But you can know and understand emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:13 AM
-1

But men know themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:03 AM
1

Wouldn't that mean that men only understand themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:59 PM
1

What is the "self," but that? What you want and like and don't want and don't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:51 PM
1

Headmaster with a dress? What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:01 PM
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I'm talking about times when it did. Actual examples where it happened, or by the testimonial of the woman, would happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 08:10 PM
1

Why wouldn't it make sense to give me the answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:15 PM
1

I'm not looking for a script.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:14 PM
1

When did I say women were NPCs?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:14 PM
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I never said they were. Look, my question isn't complicated. You said "Make her laugh." Fantastic. So if you're a woman, give me an example of a time a man made you laugh to the point that you had sex with him. That's all I'm asking for. Let me worry about how useful that information is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:14 PM
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That would imply there was just one correct dialogue option. I'm not the one who said dialogue was the gateway to hooking up. It was the women here who said that. Doesn't mean there's just one combination of words that would work, same as how there isn't just one woman I'd be interested in having sex with. But at the very least I can provide one specific example of a woman I would have sex with. And if I can do that, anyone can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:02 PM
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I'm not looking for a script to repeat, I just need examples of what worked on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:49 PM
0

Or people could just tell me what coins work on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:48 PM
1

No, I don't understand. Trust me, I know the value of the information I seek.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:48 PM
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How do I know what is and isn't cringe? I need examples of what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:46 PM
1

People online are real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:37 PM
1

Not useless. I would know the people online and what works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:31 PM
1

I don't need to parrot it. It's still useful, just not as a script to repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:31 PM
1

Vague? I specifically said "I tried being funny."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:30 PM
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That's what I said. Certain people. Of course people are individuals, that's why I'm asking individual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:24 PM
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A wide variety of answers is useful if I ask enough women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:23 PM
1

So show me men, I've been looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:22 PM
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That's not a real woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:22 PM
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I was already going to try and attract women. I was already looking for whatever it is I needed to do/be to attract women. So I was already going to try to be funny. By which I mean "I was already going to try and attract women."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:21 PM
1

But what's an example of when someone made you feel that way? Or if that hasn't happened yet, can you give a hypothetical example?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:16 PM
1

When did I say that? I've tried "being funny" but that doesn't work when you don't know what is/isn't funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:14 PM
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I'm aware that they're mostly plastic, I never said they weren't. Nor did I say anyone should want to look like this. I said that if you wanted to know what men like, there's your example.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:14 PM
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Because the advice is bad. The instructions are unclear. "Be funny" is dogshit advice if I don't know what a person thinks is funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:12 PM
1

But an example of a time when it did happen is a useful roadmap.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:08 PM
4

I think people, when given the right coins, will be convinced of things. Whether they be men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:07 PM
1

I never said I was gonna recite the script. If you tell me something someone said to convince you to do something, I'll understand why it happened. I won't need to recite the script.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:03 PM
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A video game would involve one specific solution to a puzzle/dungeon. I'm not saying there's one thing that won't work. But there are things that will work and things that won't. I just need one example of a thing that will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:59 PM
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I don't need to have been convinced. I just need to know what changed their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:57 PM
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It's fine if they do, I'm just saying I haven't found them yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:55 PM
1

I do. I wanna see comments sections the likes of which you see for female Instagram/OnlyFans models.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:54 PM
1

General direction would be an example of a conversation. I'm not saying I would repeat that script, but "Be funny" is terrible advice. I'm not a mind reader, I don't know what you think is funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:53 PM
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I'm not saying other women, just that one woman. If it wasn't the words that mattered, what did?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:50 PM
1

I've never been convinced to do anything I wasn't already gonna do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:46 PM
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Then what was that something they said? It is important because I don't want to say the wrong thing. Sure, a number of things could work. That's why I'm asking for one of them so I don't waste my time on a thing that I think will work, but won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:36 PM
1

I don't necessarily need it to be replicated exactly, but a roadmap would be nice. Some general direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:35 PM
2

But this could mean anything, I don't know what you consider funny. This is why I'm asking for specific examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:34 PM
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That's why I'm asking the women. What words work specifically on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:28 PM
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I never said it was the only way, just one of many ways that would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:24 PM
1

So where are all these pages of male Instagram thirst traps?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:21 PM
0

Best I can observe is, women pay attention to the men they come in with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:20 PM
0

If I'm convinced to do something, at the very least I can tell people what it was that convinced me to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:17 PM
1

What male Instagram models? I can't find even one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:16 PM
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Why not? If someone convinces me to do something that depends on the words they use, I can tell you exactly what they said that convinced me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:15 PM
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I need an exact example. Just because I'm cool and enjoying her company guarantees nothing. I might feel cool, but it's about how she feels. And what it takes for her to feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:10 PM
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I never said there was just one conversation a person could have. But surely there's an example of one of the many potential conversations a person could have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:08 PM
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No, it's their bodies. If I was to give women advice on how to attract me, it wouldn't be "Act like an Instagram model," it would be "Look like an Instagram model." You wouldn't just have an "easier" time attracting men, you would just attract men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:07 PM
0

Well, what words make you feel the right way?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:01 PM
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Just speak for yourself for now. What words work on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:00 PM
1

Men have different tastes too, but a variation of taste doesn't hold a candle to broad appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:58 PM
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I was told it was words though. Wouldn't that mean there was a formula? That there are correct words?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:57 PM
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I'm not saying such and such Instagram page of hot women exists to tell women what they should strive to be, but if I was a woman and wanted to know what men liked, I could just check one of those pages. Men don't have any pages they can check. It's not that male examples are too hard to emulate, it's that there are no effective male examples. You say "Just k-popmaxx," but even men who do that aren't successful. If you as a woman can manage to emulate an Instagram model, you will succeed. Flat o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:57 PM
2

But just asking where you're from doesn't immediately lead to a hookup. I'm asking for the entire conversation. How to get from Point A to Point B.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:33 PM
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Men aren't told what women like physically. Not the way women are told. There's no shortage of Instagram/OnlyFans models and Twitch streamers you can look at and know what men like. Men don't have that for women. There's no example of a man I can point to that women feel for the way men feel for hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:29 PM
1

Can you provide the context? Like, you say one thing, he says another, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:15 PM
1

But can you provide a specific example of how a conversation might go?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:10 PM
0

But I mean an exact example of a conversation. If you can imagine one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:09 PM
1

What I'm saying is, the fans started this campaign without any knowledge of what Viz/Crunchyroll have or don't have the rights to. The fans didn't make this decision based on licensing issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:08 PM
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It's a question of why the man's standards/what the man likes about a woman has to change, but the woman's standards/what the woman likes about a man doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:27 PM
1

How do the fans know what Viz/Crunchyroll can afford?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:16 PM
1

It is, I just didn't explain it very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:30 AM
1

What if I added more words?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:27 AM
1

This is serious, but a hypothetical scenario. I'm not actually in a situation involving this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:27 PM
1

This isn't advice, this is hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 08:01 PM
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So what do you talk about with your coffee friends if not stuff like this? Hobby friends I'm guessing you discuss the hobby with. But if you're meeting for coffee, you don't talk about stuff like workplace crushes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 03:10 AM
1

Can you give me examples of these? Not necessarily real ones, any hypothetical example will do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:44 AM
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But women invented "hear me roar." Men deliberately co-opted it because if men and women should be equals, men should get to be heard roaring too. And should get the same support and accolade for roaring.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:41 AM
1

Unrelated question, but what is the next friendship level beyond coffee/hobbies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:37 AM
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Because it's interesting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:34 PM
1

That's a common shallow stereotype, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:29 PM
1

There isn't? Because a common standard is that fat people should not be with fit people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:34 PM
1

I'm not talking about what works in actual practice. I'm talking about the social standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 06:26 PM
1

You have to pick someone to have sex with. Meaning, you have to have reasons to have sex with them, as opposed to sex with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:18 AM
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I thought it was clear I was talking about sex you wanted to have. Reasons to do a thing are only a factor when you have the power to choose. If you have no choice, your reasons and feelings don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:23 AM
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Then you were forced, you didn't want to have that sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:16 AM
1

I'm not saying it's sufficient, just necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:03 AM
1

But you don't go for those uglier women. That's my point. Sexual attraction is the deciding factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 06:31 PM
1

But do you seize every opportunity? There are uglier women you could fuck, but you don't. You aren't fucking the uglies women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 06:14 PM
2

But uglier women are an option, aren't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 05:51 PM
0

I am a dude, and there's a reason I don't go harassing my toothless 87 year old neighbor for cold fish. Because I'm not interested in doing my toothless 87 year old neighbor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:42 PM
1

Ugly people don't necessarily fuck anything that moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:28 PM
2

But she's your girlfriend. Meaning you got together with her initially because of some sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:57 PM
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Fucking food is masturbation. And if a man hates a woman enough to "hate fuck" her, what about the woman? Does she hate the man? And these men who are like "I fucked her because the opportunity presented itself" aren't being entirely honest. Plenty of opportunities present themselves, but we don't take all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:56 PM
1

So it's literally about who's closest. Two men free, sitting on either side of you at the bar. They can be said to be equal distance from you. What do you do then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:41 AM
1

Absolutely not, that sounds like an insane understanding of the English language.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:19 AM
1

Plenty of jobs make as much money as prostitution. If you don't like prostitution, but want a lot of money, pick a different job. And if you can't, you're compelled by circumstances you can't control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:11 AM
1

So how do you choose which of the "anyones" to have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:10 AM
1

Just because you find me attractive enough to have sex with doesn't mean you find me sexually attractive? Do we not have an understanding on what "attractive" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:04 AM
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Because if I'm wrong, there should be an answer for that. But you're giving me noncommittal "I dunno mans." Would you have had sex with anyone nearby if you were horny?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:03 AM
1

Work isn't comparable. You need to work to make money. Although you should do a job you enjoy, if you enjoy no jobs at all, you're still working because you must.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:51 AM
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If they don't like sex with the people they're having sex with, they don't choose to do it, they have to. Compelled by circumstances they can't control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:50 AM
1

But you just said the penis had to look attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:40 AM
1

If drunkenness is guiding you and you don't know why, it's the drunkenness making the choice for you. So you can't really say it's something you wanted to do. You could've just not had sex that night, but you weren't in your right mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:39 AM
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I never said being sexually attractive was strictly about how you look. But you must be sexually attractive. Something must elevate you beyond a platonic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:36 AM
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With who? You have to make a decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:35 AM
1

He doesn't want to do this, he has to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:35 AM
1

Even the blind must choose between one or the other. I never said sexual attraction had to be visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:34 AM
1

So why'd you choose them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:33 AM
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Think it over. The question is, why is it you chose them over other people who are supposedly your friends, if not for sexual attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:20 AM
2

Well, let's consider what you were thinking. What do you mean by "mentally attractive?" If that's not sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:07 AM
2

But you are attracted to them sexually all the same. Whether that be because of how they look, or mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:39 AM
1

Well, what sort of way would you have to like someone to want to have sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:02 AM
1

Even if I trust them, why would I want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:45 AM
1

What do you mean by "range?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:31 AM
1

But why them and not others you like the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:26 AM
1

But you can have smart funny friends and not have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:32 AM
1

But some people with good personalities remain platonic friends. You're not seeing anyone with a good personality as a potential sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:04 AM
1

But you don't just have sex with anyone who's responsible and interesting. You need a deciding factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:40 AM
1

Anyone? So what was the deciding factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:02 AM
1

When discussing sex, rape is never on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:52 PM
1

If you choose a high paying career over what you want, then you don't want it. You have to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:45 PM
1

Because it's assumed I don't mean "And this includes consent. You should rape people if the mood strikes you."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:33 PM
1

But a doctor who hates their job must've at some point liked doctoring enough to choose it as a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:27 PM
1

What? When? Where? And why not come out and say that instead of playing roundabout games?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:26 PM
1

Who's saying we're not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:14 PM
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No, you can distinguish based on other factors too. I didn't say attractiveness was the only factor, just the most important one. You can skip having sex with an attractive person, but there is zero reason to choose to have sex with an unattractive person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:14 PM
1

There's a lot of money to be made in lots of industries. So if you don't like an industry, why choose to be in it? As opposed to one you do enjoy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:10 PM
1

But that would be sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:06 PM
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Sex with anyone I'm not attracted to grosses me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:42 PM
1

So they have to have an attractive penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:42 PM
1

Why isn't what rape? I never said forcing someone to have sex with you wasn't rape. I said I'm not talking about rape, so sex where not everyone is on board isn't part of this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:41 PM
2

I've never heard of a "visceral negative reaction" to homeless people either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:37 PM
1

Well I'm talking about sex you choose to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:35 PM
2

Exactly. So there must be some deciding factor beyond "We're really connecting and I like them."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:34 PM
1

But if you're horny, there's something that makes you choose one man over another. So what is it if not their attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:32 PM
5

Sounds like what you call "neutral" is actually just "attractive looking."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:31 PM
2

Well that's sexual attraction, if you seek a dom, you're attracted to doms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:24 PM
1

But even if you are horny, there's some deciding factor that keeps you from flagging down a hobo and letting him violate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:21 PM
1

But in order to marry, you must first be attracted to your partner. That attraction may fade over time, but you need it to get the ball rolling at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:13 PM
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Lots of people are "there." So how do you choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:08 PM
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I shouldn't have to. We're not talking about rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:07 PM
4

Convenience? Not so, otherwise people would be fucking anyone and everyone receptive. People are more discerning than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:06 PM
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I didn't say everyone you found attractive, I said no one you find unattractive. Because there must be a deciding factor. And there is no factor that trumps attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:05 PM
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My point is, there's no reason to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 10:02 PM
1

Yes, like. If you're sexually attracted to someone, you like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:37 PM
3

The evil lesser than Having sex with someone you don't like" is "Not having sex that night." This is why we don't go around propositioning the homeless for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:37 PM
2

Then he doesn't really want to. In which case he should just not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:34 PM
2

So why would you not then go for the second person you see? Or keep looking until you found someone you were attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:34 PM
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Anything shy of fucking everyone you like proves me right, because there was some deciding factor that made you say "I could fuck this person, I like them and there's nothing wrong with fucking them, but no."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:32 PM
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Why would you have a child with someone you don't like? It sounds like you're describing situations where the person isn't really "choosing" to have sex, they have to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:27 PM
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Why would you have a child with someone you don't like? And even if you really like having sex, something has to be the factor in your choosing to have sex with one person but not another.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:26 PM
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Absolutely no options? Like when?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:25 PM
1

Not everyone's excitement is rewarding.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:22 PM
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But they have to not gross you out. Physical attraction is the factor there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:21 PM
1

Best way to explain what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:20 PM
2

But that's still sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:55 PM
1

Then you don't really wanna have sex with them, you just need money. You have to. If you don't want to be a sugar baby/prostitute, but are one, it's because you have no other recourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:29 PM
1

Sexual pleasure can be achieved through masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:28 PM
1

What sex is there without fun? Who's having sex without that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:27 PM
1

Yes, consent. But consent without sexual attraction, sex still isn't happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:27 PM
1

Wide it may be, but they still have to be sexually attractive. In order to want to have sex with that person. Sex for money isn't "wanting to have sex with that person." It's wanting money.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:24 PM
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Because most people aren't gonna fuck some toothless homeless guy strictly on the grounds that sex is fun. Very few people will literally fuck anything that moves. They need sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:16 PM
1

Reproduction is presently not important enough that two people who don't like each other should choose to have a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:15 PM
1

But why would I bring a child into a relationship where the parents don't love each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:56 PM
4

Something is keeping you from fucking everything that might be receptive to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:55 PM
1

Most of us aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:54 PM
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If the desire isn't mutual, I can't. She won't let me. But whether she likes me or not, if I don't like her, I can't even begin to have sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:51 PM
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Most adults like sex. So 99% of us should be bound by our mutual enjoyment of that hobby. And yet we're not all screwing for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:50 PM
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I'm not saying it's the only reason, or even the most powerful factor. But you can't have sex without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:48 PM
1

But why would I choose to reproduce with a particular woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:47 PM
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Maybe. But that's beside the point. In order for me to want to have sex with her, I must want to have sex with "her." As opposed to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:46 PM
1

What is "indirect provision extractment?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:45 PM
8

I'm not saying only Jason Momonga can smash. I'm saying that whoever you are, you need to be within the hawtness spectrum for someone to want to have sex with you personally. Because they must choose you against other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:44 PM
2

Exactly, because there's the initial sexual attraction that separates friends from lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:42 PM
8

But within that spectrum must be sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:20 PM
8

What? But my point was you need to have sexual attraction in order to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:19 PM
1

But what are the "ways?" What is a "way to connect?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:17 PM
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I don't have sex with any men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:16 PM
6

But you need the basic level of attractiveness. Like I said, you have to be attractive first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:59 PM
1

But something has make you horny. And even if you are horny, you don't just fuck the first person you see.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:57 PM
2

Then that means these people need to be sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:56 PM
2

But you don't, is my point. Something is keeping you from fucking everything that moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:54 PM
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I know, but my point is you need that raw lust. Simply having a connection with someone is no basis for a sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:48 PM
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I didn't say you couldn't fuck your friends. But something obviously separates the friends you fuck and the friends you don't. Something the friends you don't fuck lack.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:47 PM
5

But what makes you want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:46 PM
6

But you don't have sex with every good person you connect with, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:45 PM
7

I didn't say a pretty jackass beats an ugly nice guy. I'm saying no matter how nice a guy you are, you need something more than being happy, comfortable, and liking the same hobbies as the person you wanna have sex with. Otherwise you'd be fucking everyone with the same hobbies as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:45 PM
5

Because you can "like" anybody, but you don't fuck everyone you have the slightest positive opinion of.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:43 PM
4

Then it's no longer a platonic relationship. You can fuck your friends all you like, but if "platonic" is defined as "intimate and affectionate but not sexual," you no longer have that relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:42 PM
1

"A certain way." How though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:40 PM
2

Comfortable enough to act on the attraction, sure. But the attraction must come from something first. Simply having a connection and nothing else is not gonna create sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:26 PM
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But all of those things involve sex with someone attractive. My point is, a strong connection alone means jack shit if you aren't attractive. Otherwise we'd be having sex with all of our friends because we love them so much. But we don't have sex with all of our friends. Maybe some, but not all of our friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:25 PM
2

But you can know someone for years and not want to have sex with them. Surely simply being close to someone isn't the same as finding them sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:23 PM
1

So what is "sexual energy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:17 PM
4

Even if you aren't attracted to ass and abs, you have to be attracted to something. Something that separates the platonic from the sexual. Because there's a reason we fuck the people we fuck, but remain platonic with the ones we don't. Something is lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:02 PM
0

Okay, interesting how? What's an example of a hypothetical interesting person?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:56 PM
8

There are easier ways to find shelter/gaming consoles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:51 PM
1

But you can connect intellectually with any smart person. Are you just gunning to fuck anybody smart?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:51 PM
1

And Cosmo will tell me what a man needs to be to get his mind blown and his penis destroyed? I thought Cosmo was a magazine that taught women how to be women, not men how to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:47 PM
1

I don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:54 PM
0

Well what thing has caught on? That's what I wanna know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 04:10 PM
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I'm sure a 2:1 ratio is insanity, and that's the point. This is a hypothetical question. Like you said, it's really not that deep. You don't need to dissect why I'm asking this. It's just out of intrigue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 12:50 AM
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I'm aware that it's subjective, but I disagree that it changes on a whim. You're talking about people's individual tastes. I'm talking about general opinion, which tends to stick around for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:19 AM
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I'm sure they do in practice. But we're not talking about that. I'm talking about according to those who say things like "She's out of his league. He's punching above his weight class."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:47 AM
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If you understand them, can you tell me what (by those standards) puts a man out of the league of a large breasted woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:00 AM
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So are you saying you don't understand people who don't understand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:42 AM
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Lots of women like trash men. But what I'm talking about is when a woman is out of a man's "league." According to those who say "She's out of his league. He's punching above his weight class." What is it about him that puts him so low? What does he lack?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:51 AM
0

So you don't understand those people or what their standards are?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:50 AM
1

I already said I didn't need you to do research. I only want the idea you presently have right now. But if a few seconds of thinking is too much to spare, that's your prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:41 PM
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Because I'm a grown adult, so it's mine to decide what I need. My question is simple. Answer it, or don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:30 PM
1

I just said I don't need research.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:18 PM
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I don't need in depth research. If you live in society and have an idea for what you think puts a man on the same level as a large breasted woman, tell me what your idea is. If you don't have an idea, just say "I don't know."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:05 PM
1

If it is comparable to interior decor, can't you explain why it can't be done, but without the interior decor analogy? Show me exactly where we run into a roadblock.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:49 PM
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I know where the phrase comes from, I just wanna know, when people use it to judge couples, what it is about one man that makes one woman out of his league. If he hasn't got a hope, what is it specifically that he's lacking with regard to what she has? What she has is nice breasts. So, what in the eyes of society puts a man in the league of getting to be with a woman who has nice breasts?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:28 PM
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But we're surrounded by a society that disagrees. Society does judge people like this. The only question is, what do you think society's standard is?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:07 PM
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I'm not here to accuse anyone of being more hypergamous than the other. All I wanna know is, what makes one person out of the "league" of another, in the eyes of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:57 PM
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That was what doctors were saying, at least for a while. Haven't you heard the talk that phytoestrogens increase breast growth? Doctors don't say that anymore, but they did recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:11 AM
1

Then that's not hypergamy. You just happen to like someone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:59 AM
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But that's your opinion, I don't have to accept your opinion of me. And so if I don't have to accept it, it doesn't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:39 AM
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What do sausages have to do with penile growth? Milk at the very least has been told to contain estrogen-boosting compounds. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19496976/ Sausages are just meat. You would need an androgenic hormone of some kind to increase penis size.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:27 AM
1

If you can't judge yourself, what right have you to judge me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:22 AM
1

But what then do people mean when they look at a couple and assess that one of them is out of the other's "league?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:20 AM
1

I don't know, it just intrigues me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:20 AM
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Because it's an intriguing question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:15 AM
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I'm sure it doesn't. But I still wanna know the answer to the social standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:04 AM
1

You don't determine your own value? I can judge other people but I can't judge myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:02 AM
1

But society does judge couples like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:01 AM
1

I dunno about ridiculous, I just have my doubts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:00 AM
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No, that's why I made this thread to ask what people think the social standard is for being out of a woman's league.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:54 AM
1

Because I wanna know what the social standard is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:53 AM
1

But what does society think? Is society looking at hairy legged women and saying they're not in their man's league? And if so, what makes him so great compared to his hairy girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:42 AM
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I mean which one single standard. Boobs are just one standard. So I need one standard for men. The standard that would correlate to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:40 AM
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I didn't say they would be a better person for anyone else, we've established that this standard is just one person's opinion. But if 5 is worse than 7, how good or bad are you, by your own standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:39 AM
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I haven't moved the goalposts, I addressed any "Oh but hypergamy isn't real and no one is undeserving of anything" opinion in the second paragraph. I don't know why people aren't understanding my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:36 AM
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But other people will look at the man you're with and judge whether you guys are in the same league. That's the opinion I'm interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:35 AM
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But men don't have breasts, and do women even want men with breasts?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:34 AM
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So do you not believe in hypergamy? What about when people remark that, between a couple, one of them is out of the other's "league?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:22 AM
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Everyone has different preferences, sure. But somehow we as a society will look at two people who like each other and say "He/she is out of his/her league." So what is the basis? What does he lack that puts him out of her league?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:17 AM
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Which shallow standard correlates to boobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:15 AM
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That depends on the person saying "That person is out of the other person's league."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:15 AM
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But that's not true. Plenty of people make judgements about who is and isn't in what league. Maybe you're not one of those people, and that's fine. But I'm looking for the opinions of those that are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:14 AM
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I'm not interested in the merits of a stable relationship. I just want this question answered. What is it that makes a man or a woman out of someone else's "league" in the eyes of those who judge people like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:12 AM
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Height is not out of control though. But you do have to use hormone therapy. While the child is still growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:10 AM
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I'm not talking about what my value to others is. I'm talking about my value based on my subjective criteria for "hypergamy." I don't understand, you were the one that said "If one person has 7 criteria but the other person has less, the person with 7 criteria is higher up in the hypergamy hierarchy." A better person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:58 AM
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But I'm talking about the example you gave, the one with the personal subjective standard for hypergamy. If I personally have a list of things that I personally consider "good traits," but I have 3 of them and my partner has 7, that would mean I think I'm "not as good" as my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:38 AM
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I'm not talking about practice, I'm talking about the way other people evaluate couples. But what I was saying about what you said about hypergamy is, if hypergamy is "punching above your weight class," even if it's subjective the person with the hypergamy standards would then have to say of themselves "I am worse than this person."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:11 AM
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I don't wanna judge people, I just wanna know how other people judge people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:48 AM
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But other people do believe in "leagues." Are you saying because leagues aren't real from your perspective, you can't really answer the question? Because to answer the question would be to think in terms of "leagues?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:48 AM
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But how many things do you have to offer to this 7/10 person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:46 AM
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I mean in the sense of whether or not someone is in another's "league."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:46 AM
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But it's a thing people do. If it is a joke, I wanna know how the punchline works. Who's in what league and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:20 AM
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But then you would be saying "I'm worse than this person." And that's an idea people disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:18 AM
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I'm not talking about your personal league, I mean when people look at other couples and judge whether or not they're in the same league. Unless you don't believe in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:17 AM
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But in order for it to be "hypergamy," someone would have to be "better."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:47 PM
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But unless she thinks that man is too good for her, that's not "hypergamy." And even if she did, who is she to slander herself? If I was to say "I suck everyone's better than me," there are people who would protest my saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:30 PM
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So there is a "better?" Because what makes someone "better" is what I'm trying to figure out. What puts someone in or out of another's "league."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:28 PM
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I'm not talking about me. I just want the hypothetical question answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:28 PM
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Not in practice, no. But if you can look at someone and say "That person is out of their partner's league," you should be able to say why.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:27 PM
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I don't know, I would imagine everyone has a different opinion of what makes one person out of another person's "league." But if you have an opinion on that, I'd like to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:26 PM
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So if there are sixes and nines for women, there must be sixes and nines for men. Corresponding good and bad qualities. I'm looking to learn what those are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:25 PM
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I'm not worried about what couple will have fun. I'm worried about what couple is in the same "league," if such a thing exists. Like when you look at a couple and think "Well he's out of her league" or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:24 PM
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But in order for hypergamy to be a thing, there must be an objective standard for it. There must be something that says "This person is too good for that person."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:14 PM
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I understand real people operate unpredictably. But I'm talking about "leagues." When you look at a model, what "league" is she in? And what men are in her "league?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:13 PM
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But in order for hypergamy to be a thing, there would have to be qualities that put people in certain "leagues." Stuff that would make Person A out of the "league" of Person B.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:31 PM
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I'm not assuming anything yet. I'm asking you to tell me what puts people in which "league."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:30 PM
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Because it's an intriguing question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:29 PM
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Interesting conversation? Maybe that's what "be interesting" covers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:29 PM
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So does that mean "hypergamy" isn't a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:28 PM
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So you don't believe in "hypergamy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:28 PM
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Well, what are the hierarchies?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:27 PM
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What I wanna know is, when someone says "He's/she's out of his/her league," what are the "league stipulations?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:26 PM
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Breast growth is a product of estrogen levels. If you can promote that while the iron is hot, you can grow your breasts. Even adult women do this. But they do it by drinking copious amounts of beer. But if my genes let me down, that must mean there are male equivalents to sub-par female genes. I'd like to know what those equivalents are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:25 PM
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I'm not talking about what works practically. I'm talking about that feeling we get when we see Person A being "out of the league" of Person B.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:23 PM
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We're talking about bar hookups here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:22 PM
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It might be, I'm going by your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:15 PM
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I never said preferences didn't matter? They're just not relevant to the question I'm asking. Models might like cosplayers, but is that objectively "dating up?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:56 PM
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But I'm asking about fairness. That's what I'm interested in right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:50 PM
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That's what I'm asking you about. Society feels like a fat person and a fit person is a mismatch, right? No?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:49 PM
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If you don't care about the hypergamy hierarchy, that means your preferences are independent of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:48 PM
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So "hypergamy" isn't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:47 PM
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Preferences are independent of hypergamy. Again, I am absolutely not talking about how any one person feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:42 PM
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If hypergamy is subjective, it isn't really a thing. No objective standard for what "up" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:39 PM
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So does this mean "hypergamy" isn't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:38 PM
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So then hypergamy is a thing, and there's a hierarchy there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:37 PM
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But I'm not talking about people's preferences. I'm talking about where people rank on the hypergamy hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:36 PM
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But is it that he should find himself with those options an "exceptional" thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:35 PM
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Stimulate estrogen production somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:34 PM
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I'm talking about amongst humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:32 PM
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So you don't believe in "hypergamy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:32 PM
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No, this isn't about anyone's preferences. This is about what society considers the "correlating perks" are. Maybe I don't even like big tits. But maybe I have such perks that society says "There's a guy who could be with a big titty woman if he wanted."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:31 PM
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So if Big Ed suddenly finds himself surrounded with pussy, that's not exceptional?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:30 PM
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So you personally don't question these pairings, wouldn't this mean you don't think hypergamy is a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:29 PM
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So if hypergamy is a thing, we can use those standards to tell what kinds of men deserve what kinds of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:28 PM
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So "hypergamy" isn't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:26 PM
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It is, I explain that in the second paragraph. This question can only be answered if there's an idea or concept of "equivalent good traits." Same as hypergamy. Hypergamy is only a thing if there's objectively good traits, and objectively "better" traits. If some people are factually better looking than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:25 PM
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I never claimed to be special.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:23 PM
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So there are "correlating perks?" Because I'm asking what those are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:23 PM
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So you believe hypergamy isn't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:22 PM
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I don't want anything for myself regarding this question. It's just something that intrigues me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:21 PM
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It's all subjective in the real world. But I'm not talking about people's personal preferences. I'm talking about what society looks at and says "They deserve each other."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:20 PM
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How do you define a "superior class" though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:18 PM
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But that's not what I'm saying. You might not get what you want if you have "x trait," but have you done enough that it seems "fair" that you should get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:17 PM
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"Practically" it is. In the real world people have all kinds of tastes and simply being a tall man won't get you what you want. But I'm not talking about practicality. I'm talking about what we look at and decide is "fair."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:16 PM
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But I just said it's not about preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:14 PM
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Well, that's how you feel. But other people feel that there are equivalents. I'm interested in their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:13 PM
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I'm not talking about personal tastes. I thought I explained that in the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:10 PM
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I'm sure she might. But I'm not talking about what her personal tastes are. I'm talking about what's "fair." If there is such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:10 PM
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I'm discounting the face. She can have a bad face if he can have a bad face, but the body criteria must apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:09 PM
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This isn't about preferences though. If I'm drinking myself to a diabetic grave on malt maple syrup, but a woman who takes care of her body decides she likes me because we share a passion for video games, do I still deserve her? What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:06 PM
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I already explained that people have different tastes. I explain that early in the post. I'm not talking about people's tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:03 PM
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I'm not talking about people's individual opinions. Namjoon might like fat chicks. But for some reason people would have a problem with that if he did. What I'm after is the social standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:00 PM
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Like I said, I'm sure lots of people have different opinions. But in the same way people would balk at a fat person and a thin person together, I want to know the other equivalents.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:59 PM
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So you mean to say there are no objective equivalents?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:51 PM
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She might like red shoes, but there's no matter-of-fact standard that says red shoes are good. In order for hypergamy to be a thing, it must be fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:43 PM
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That's the question. If what I want to get is big boobs, what should I, as a man, give? Men don't have breasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:50 PM
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What does 666 stand for again? 6 feet, 6 figures, and what else?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:26 PM
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You're being deliberately obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:19 PM
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Because this isn't about preferences. This is about what you think such a person deserves. Maybe I think I deserve a Playboy Playmate because J Howard Marshall married one at 99. If you disagree with my esteem, I'd like to know what I need to gain before I can start shooting for Playmates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:17 PM
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So does that mean they aren't subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:06 PM
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So if we are all different "prices" and there is a certain one that earns you what you want, what is that "certain one?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:06 PM
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Then the answer is "Anyone can be picky, everyone deserves what they want, hypergamy isn't real."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:05 PM
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But you just said "weight classes" were subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:02 PM
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But we're all different. So we can't all be the same price.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:00 PM
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So that would mean "hypergamy" isn't real, right? No one is prettier or uglier than another person?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:59 PM
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So if you're slim and ripped, as a man, your standards are fair if you only want really hot women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:53 PM
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But which asset is it? Height? Dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:51 PM
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But then how do you "afford" what you're trying to "buy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:51 PM
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I never said "hypergamy" was something just for women. By "hypergamy" I mean "Punching above your weight class."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:50 PM
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But you said "Be as picky as you can afford to be." So if we're talking about allowances, there must be costs to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:38 PM
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So what are the equivalents for men? For instance, if I have a high standard for breasts, what should I as a man provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:37 PM
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So your opinion is that "hypergamy" isn't really a thing? I was following up with a clarifying question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:35 PM
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I'm looking for your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:34 PM
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If you feel there are no "exchange rates" or "hypergamy" and any man is free to hold out for his dream woman, that's fair too. But if you do believe in exchange rates, I wanna hear from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:32 PM
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That's what I need you to answer for me. The "exchange rate."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:25 PM
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So "hypergamy" isn't really a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:25 PM
1

Losing weight doesn't have to be a battle. By the time you're thin, you'll be accustomed to eating for your new, healthier metabolism. And speaking of metabolism, build up that lean muscle mass to increase your metabolism so you can eat more without getting fatter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:23 PM
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That's my question for you. How exciting would someone have to be for you to meet them at a bar or nightclub and say "Yes, let's have sex?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:43 AM
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Is that exciting? Because a man would have to first be exciting enough to get to fuck you. He would have to be exciting before the sex happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:51 PM
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1k a month? So sex once a month, is that it? Prostitutes are expensive. I don't think that 1k could bring me group sex and sure as shit wouldn't get me anywhere near a boat. But I don't want these things. I want a ho phase, but it's not something money can buy. Not 1k's worth of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:43 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the moral of the story. Was he not exciting? Was he exciting, but lacking in some other way?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:11 PM
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What sorts of new things?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:03 PM
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Are you saying "being exciting" isn't one of those things that would convince you to hook up with a guy at a bar or nightclub?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:51 PM
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So where do I go to poll the party types?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:50 PM
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Is this what you mean by "exciting?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:47 PM
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I'm genuinely after sex with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:36 PM
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I don't think that's comparable. Yeah, men and women aren't hiveminds. Everyone is different. But we've got men busting their heads trying to figure out how to make women like them. Women already know how to win over most men, it's just maybe it's not really fair to ask this of a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:25 PM
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Now what about in the context of hooking up with someone at a nightclub or something? This thread is mostly meant as a follow-up to my last thread where I asked "What makes a man attractive enough to hook up with at a bar or nightclub or something? A man you just met?" And one of the criteria given was"He should be exciting." So now I'm wondering what kind of "exciting" a man should be for a woman to take interest in him as a hookup. That night.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:04 PM
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If we can't grow taller, we must grow wider.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:38 PM
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Do you pursue hookups at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:07 PM
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But you can't just spring that stuff on people at random, can you? How do you feel someone out for being into that stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:06 PM
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Oh I know. But is it really just about being hot? Because what I heard in the last thread was essentially "Yeah he has to be hot, but also exciting." To that point, let's say you're at a bar or nightclub. What kind of "hot" does this guy have to be to be worth hooking up with? And what kind of "exciting?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:02 PM
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But what makes a man exciting in a nightclub? At least for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:58 PM
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What about someone you just met? Like at a bar or nightclub? This thread is mostly a follow up to my last thread where I asked "What makes a man attractive enough for a hookup? Sex with a man you just met? And one of the criteria was "He has to be exciting." So now I'm wondering how you would be "exciting" in a hookup scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:30 PM
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How would one get these things across if one was meeting you for the first time at a nightclub?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:27 PM
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What about a guy you're meeting at a nightclub or bar? This thread is mostly a follow up to my last thread, where I was asking what makes a man attractive enough to hook up with? A man you're just meeting in a social setting? And one of the criteria given was "In order for me to have sex with a man I just met, he would have to be exciting." But the examples you gave are all the kinds of exciting you can only be after you know them. You can't propose these things to someone you just met. Can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:25 PM
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But one of the criteria was "Be exciting." Is mere conversation "exciting?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 04:41 PM
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Can you give examples of spontaneity?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 04:39 PM
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What about if you're hooking up with someone at a bar or nightclub? Someone you're just meeting? I ask because this thread is kind of a follow-up to my last thread, where I asked what made a woman consider having sex with a guy she met that night. A hookup. Or a one night stand, whatever you wanna call it. And one of the criteria given was "He should be exciting." So now I'm wondering how a man should be "exciting" as far as being attractive to women in bars and nightclubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 04:23 PM
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That's what I call "not much." That's just proper hygiene, mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 04:14 PM
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Can you give some examples that might be relevant to meeting a guy in a nightclub and hooking up with him? You might remember my last thread, where I was trying to learn what kind of man a woman would hook up with upon meeting him that night in a bar or something. And one of the criteria given was "He should be exciting." So I'm wondering what kind of "exciting" a man should be that a woman would consider having sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 04:00 PM
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What about men you just met? This thread is sort of a follow-up to my last thread, where I asked "What makes a man attractive enough to hook up with in a nightclub or something? A man you just met?" And one of the criteria given was "He should be exciting." So now I'm looking for examples of how a man can be "exciting" in such a way that a woman would have sex with him just upon meeting him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:35 PM
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What about someone you're just meeting? In a nightclub, for example? This thread is kind of a follow-up to my last thread, the one I linked to. There we discussed what makes a man attractive on a purely "I met this guy just this night/recently, but I'm gonna have sex with him" basis. And one of the criteria given was "He should be exciting." So now I'm wondering "How can a man be 'exciting' in a way that convinces a woman to have sex with him after just meeting him?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:32 PM
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I just checked the Automod post, turns out that really is the rule. I guess people don't wanna hear from groups outside the flaired group.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:25 PM
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Can you give me some examples of being excited by your interests, and including people you meet in nightclubs in your interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:19 PM
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So only women are allowed to post? I thought the rule was "No jokeposting, the flair might say 'For Women' but that doesn't mean 'No Men.' We only ask that you post sincerely."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:53 PM
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My passion is getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:51 PM
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What if he was exciting, but stable and orderly? Is that even possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:40 PM
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Can you give me some concrete/specific examples? They don't necessarily need to be things that happened to you. Ideally I'm interested in what you'dlike to happen to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:36 PM
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Can you give some specific examples of things that might make a man exciting?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:31 PM
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I was told that you know because of the "unrealistic beauty standards" men put upon you. Why would we let you tell US what we think is hot? Inversely, why would you let men tell you what you think is hot? Surely the answer comes from the beholder?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:56 PM
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They might figure out what one particular woman is into, but that's not the same as being able to say what is appealing to a general populace of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:49 PM
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Yes, absolutely. It's a much more complicated thing finding your way to a woman's heart, compared to finding your way to a man's heart. Our wants and needs are simple. Maybe not every woman can fulfill those needs, but no one is like "What do men want?" It's obvious what men want. Hence the complaints about unrealistic beauty standards. Unrealistic as they may be, at least you know what we want. We can't even begin to critique women's unfair standards for men because we don't know what you want …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:45 PM
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I'm heterosexual, if I knew what made a man hot I wouldn't be making this thread. As I explain in my last thread, there simply isn't the same evidence of hot men like there is evidence of hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:40 PM
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Well, whatever they are, they're trying their best but failing. And there's a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:39 PM
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Why would I look that up? I don't know what it is, therefore I don't know what it has to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:38 PM
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Not irrelevant to the question I'm trying to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:13 PM
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It's a sphere of average men not getting any. It exists by virtue of these men existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:13 PM
1

I'm asking what you specifically find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:12 PM
1

Okay, so what makes a man attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:05 PM
1

No, I don't mean that. I mean like... imagine a certain character archetype. Right? Now, what kind of car does he drive? What sort of hobbies does he have? What sort of dick does he have?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:17 AM
1

That can't be true, we have a whole manosphere of average men who aren't getting any.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 09:04 PM
1

And how should he carry himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:24 AM
1

What is a body like an NBA player? Tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:21 AM
1

What sort of face and body do you like to see? Also, how should he carry himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:20 AM
1

What made him smoking hot where other men weren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:15 AM
2

Whaddaya mean I won't listen to women? What have I been doing all thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:25 AM
1

But there's constant critique of the red pill. People are always talking about how it's wrong about so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:04 AM
1

What does a "generic actor" look like? There are a myriad of actors, I don't know that you would wanna fuck all of them. But as a straight man, I can link you to any one Instagram model aggregate, and while the women might look a little different, there is a theme to be gleaned there that explains what I as a straight man like in a woman. You're not gonna be looking at that page going "But you have wildly varying tastes, do you like tall women, do you like short women?" You're not gonna be like …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 09:39 PM
1

Physical attractiveness is crucial when men seek women. The penis has to harden at the prospect of something. Something more than sex for the sake of sex. So to look at a woman and think "Well, she's not ugly," that's likely not enough for a man to pursue her. Unless he knows that he has zero chance with the woman who ACTUALLY gets his dick hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 09:16 PM
1

I've checked "mass visual media." There's no running theme. Because there is no apparent lust for men in mass visual media like there is lust for women. I explain that in my prior thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 09:13 PM
1

I can't imagine a man getting paid to appear in photographs. Women, yeah I can think of some. But I can't think of any men. Can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 09:09 PM
1

So if there was an Instagram page of dad bods, that would be good stuff for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 11:25 AM
1

What is "stereotypically attractive?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:54 AM
1

If we knew what made a man "conventionally attractive" we wouldn't have a whole manosphere scratching their heads at what that means. Do women like buff dudes? Lean dudes? Effeminate dudes? Really really manly dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:41 AM
1

I'm aware there are other factors. But I'm interested right now in the looks factor. The other factors are more or less the same. It's the looks factor that varies so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 09:22 AM
1

You misunderstand me, PurplePill is not the place to make assumptions about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 08:04 AM
1

Okay, now what does "attractive" mean? Not every man is attractive. What makes a man attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 07:40 AM
1

Hoe phase is exactly what I'm after.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:00 AM
1

Well, he has to be decent looking. So it sounds like it does have something to do with the man. But what does he need to look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:15 AM
1

How does the penis contribute to the image you're forming of the man?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:51 PM
1

So what does he have to look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:44 PM
1

But what attracted you to the men you had sex with? As opposed to the men you weren't attracted to and didn't have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:37 PM
1

So what made you pick the open relationshipped guys you picked?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 09:26 PM
1

But I need to know what each person posting here looks for as far as looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:42 PM
1

Who is Atlas?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:42 PM
2

Tits, ass, and they let me hit. That's all. Absolute first woman I see with all three of these gets the pepperoni deep dick special.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:10 PM
1

If it varies, tell me what other men lack that the men you wanna fuck do have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:05 PM
1

I know personality is a factor, but if someone mentions looks are also a factor, I wanna know what the man has to look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:00 PM
0

Is that all you're attracted to? The sensuality of his personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:59 PM
1

When I say "ass" I mean the erogenous areas of the woman. Absolutely zero ass to be appreciated? I can't imagine such a woman. But if such a woman did exist, maybe she had nice tits? Tits, ass, gotta bring something to the table in some amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:48 PM
2

But the Instagram numbers speak for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:37 PM
1

Well first of all, ass fatness is on a spectrum too. There's "exquisitely fat," but there's also "Okay well I mean I guess." With the latter, the attraction is there, but she's fogged by a woman with a better ass. Absolutely zero ass though? She's gotta have something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:31 PM
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I'm not saying every man without fail likes it. I'm saying it has broad enough appeal that most men will go for it. You cannot "not all men" the idea of boobs and butts being attractive. No one would buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:29 PM
1

Do you know what you like about each of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:15 PM
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I might, but I really really prefer a big ol' butt. If I was to hook up with her, the attraction wouldn't be there like it would be with a woman with a huge plump gigantic butt.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:15 PM
1

But how do you define "appropriate?" That's the argument being made today. In the manosphere/pillosphere we're constantly debating cases of guys getting arrested for approaches and whether you should be arrested just for talking to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:12 PM
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If all I get is laughed at for coming on too strong, that's on me. If I get Title Nined, or escorted off the premises by police, that's too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:07 PM
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That's the argument being made here. Today "polite" is so nebulously defined that plenty of men who thought they were being polite are seeing reprisal for their approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:59 PM
1

So your looks criteria is simply "dark facial features?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:55 PM
6

Margaret Atwood is wrong about men. We're not afraid of being "laughed at." We're afraid of going to jail/getting beaten within an inch of our lives/having our lives ruined. These are things worth fearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:50 PM
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One might argue that 1000 different men would have 1000 different tastes in women. But there's enough of a general theme with men that "boobs and butts" will cover most of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:45 PM
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Is it a thing that needs dissection? I can tell you right now, a big ol' butt and a slim waist are attractive to me, and it's a really easy question to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:37 PM
1

So there is a "looks" criterion. But what makes a guy physically attractive? You're not fucking every guy that breathes, so something must set the guys you do fuck apart. Something physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:35 PM
1

What's a "handsome face" though? What makes a face handsome where other faces aren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:34 PM
2

So what makes a man physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:31 PM
3

Okay, what does "hot" mean? What did he have going for him lookswise that other men didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:28 PM
1

But you've got no looks criteria?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:27 PM
1

If you don't like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:19 PM
1

But not every man who makes a move on you is someone you'd sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:18 PM
1

What makes a man physically attractive? Why go after one man as opposed to any other?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:17 PM
1

I mean what makes a woman choose one man over another?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:15 PM
2

What bone structure is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:15 PM
1

What looks make the man? What makes the men you slept with more appealing than the men you didn't sleep with?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:14 PM
1

Well what is "physically your type?" What makes him appeal to you in the way(s) other men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:02 PM
1

What makes a man attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:01 PM
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So it could be any man who looks any way? Provided they catch you in the right mood?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:45 PM
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You mentioned that you were "conventionally attractive." So you know what that means for a woman. It means having a certain body. But what does "conventionally attractive" mean for a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:27 PM
1

When you are approached, are you ever the one that proposes having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:20 PM
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But you mentioned that there were applicable men outside of the factors you listed, that's the only reason I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:19 PM
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Do you think you could name the numerous factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:14 PM
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So you don't approach? And if not, is that because you don't want to, or because the approaching is done for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:10 PM
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But why him, and not any of the other dudes? What made him worth being a sex toy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:07 PM
1

Okay, but what is "physically attractive?" What makes a man fuckable where other men are not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:02 PM
3

I'm just basically looking for what made you pick him out of everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:01 PM
2

I'm just basically looking for what makes you pick that guy out of all the other guys. Tallness, dark hair, attention to hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:57 PM
-1

What looks make the man?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:53 PM
3

What is "game?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:53 PM
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I would be naive to assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:52 PM
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I don't think that "masculine/fit" stuff was there before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:48 PM
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But what about him makes him attractive? A talking dog with no diseases is safe, and you could probably have sex with him at his master's house, but you don't wanna have sex with a talking dog. You like men. But what about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:46 PM
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He was there, but lots of people were there. What about him made you want him, as opposed to anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:37 PM
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Can you tell me what you like about the men you decide to fuck? For instance, if you showed me a woman I was attracted to, I'd probably say something like "I like how her ass is fat."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:36 PM
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So no particular look? You can't recall what you liked about them physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:30 PM
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So it's clean grooming and nice smells and "personability" that makes/made you want to have sex with a man? What do you mean by "personable" by the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:27 PM
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But what does that look like? You ask a man what makes a woman hot, what he's looking for in a woman, the answer tends to come back "butts/breastseses." So what is it for a man? You who've hooked up with men have the perspective to answer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:21 PM
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Hold on, I'm not following, I remember you from my last thread and you were one of the "Women are attracted to character archetypes" people. But here you say women would fuck a guy if he was physically hot enough? You do also say "But the guy has to escalate the situation." So is what you're saying "A man can fuck any woman he wants, provided he's attractive and knows how to escalate a situation?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:19 PM
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That's hooking up that night. So my question is, what are you looking for in a man that you would do stuff like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:12 PM
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But what sort of man were you looking to hook up with? What sort of guy is hot enough that you'll fuck right away?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:11 PM
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What sort of looks? If I was compiling an Instagram page of men you would fuck same day, what would they look like? What would they be showing off? For instance, you grab straight male attention with sexy girls who have fat asses and big milky. What does the man look like that you're like "Just because of how he looks, and because he seems interested and amiable, I'll have sex with him?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:09 PM
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One has a nice voice and a dick tattoo, one lives an exciting lifestyle, and one is hard to get. I don't know what the theme here is, and I don't know why this should only happen on TikTok. If there's a kind of man women lust after, why shouldn't they find success on Instagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 11:21 PM
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Because if women choose these men so much, they should like to look at these men, right? Look at them on the Internet? If I'm 6 feet and handsome/fit, I should be able to parlay that into a successful Instagram career. Not fuck a small handful of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 09:10 PM
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If that's so simple, male Instagram fitness models should be more successful. Layla Rayne has almost 2 million followers and the only theme to her content is that she's very hot. There are no male Instagrammers who are that popular where all they offer is being hot. They have to diversify into other things. Like, you have to be a musician or tech investor or something with very broad appeal. Layla Rayne can reach nearly 2 million and have it be predominantly men. With no other kind of content bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:38 PM
1

My gripe with LadyBoners isn't so much the presence of gay men, but the absence of straight women. If this stuff really is so appealing to straight women, they should outnumber the gay men the same way straight men outnumber gay women in Pornhub comments and the like. The outnumbering of straight women by gay men simply means women aren't showing up in the droves I wish they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:32 PM
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Hypothetical. But while the women on Trashyboners are also different, certain things are the same. Like how they're all showing off their nudity parts. So one takeaway there is, men like nudity parts. Did TrashyLadyBoners have no theme at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:24 PM
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I dunno, a lot. Ass injections are a business investment in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 10:17 AM
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Edit: I finally had a look at TrashyLadyBoners. It was banned for being unmoderated. And it has been unmoderated off and on for years. So that basically plays into my issue with RegularLadyBoners, but on a grander scale. Few women are on LadyBoners. But even fewer women were on TrashyLadyBoners. So few women, that just about no people at all were there. So it was destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:49 AM
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Okay, so what should a man look like/focus on to appeal to whatever went on at that subreddit? For instance, if men like Trashy Boners, and they do, and if a woman wanted to have that appeal for herself? The answer would be "Have good boobs and butt and body, also be slutty and suck my dick and stuff." Same answer for any and all "How do I be like a porn star" questions. So if I catch my wife talking about how badly she wants to fuck the men on trashyladyboners, what should I look like? What bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:41 AM
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So what should men do to look like this guy in such a way that "italian.dilfs" could be a hypothetical hot guys page on Instagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:37 AM
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Yes. And the subreddit you linked to is banned for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 07:09 AM
1

So why do so few women turn out for it? Why am I finding male fitness model after male fitness model with only 1,000 or so subscribers, the majority of them dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 04:19 AM
1

What is "generally attractive?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:04 AM
1

So if I wanted to make an Instagram page of men women wanted to look at, what should they look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:38 PM
1

So what is it about him? What is it women see in him that they'd like to see in more men? For instance, if I like a model's ass, I'd probably like other models with similar asses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 09:56 PM
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I don't understand that last part. Porn is pictures, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:39 PM
1

So a collection of pictures of long haired bearded men, that'd do well for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:04 PM
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I know, no one's uniform. But we have to consider what it means that there's all these successful female ass models pulling mostly dudes, but very few if any successful male models pulling mostly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:53 PM
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We can't assume anyone's preferences are uniform. But somehow enough men are the same that if I've got a cute face and a fat ass I can live off people looking at me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:29 PM
1

But I'm looking for enough female interest that the straight women aren't dominated by gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:24 PM
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I should hear her feedback too, I shouldn't just not ask her questions just because other women have already given their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:14 PM
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I can't find any. Especially not on the level of your average female model. A few hundred thousand followers and tags on somethingsomethingbaddies or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:12 PM
1

Well, how do you get a spirited bout of objectification going?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:27 PM
2

So if there was an Instagram page full of models that looked like your husband, you'd be into that? What does a man like that show off?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:26 PM
0

What about a man who looks like Geralt?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:11 PM
4

Why does it only happen with middle aged drunk women? Is it an age thing? A drunk thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:10 PM
2

But Henry Cavill is way naked in The Witcher. But are you saying you would lust after images of nice fitted uniformed guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:42 PM
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His shirtlessness? Would you like to see similar looking guys shirtless?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:39 PM
1

I mean in your heart and mind and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:38 PM
2

Okay, asses I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:36 PM
1

Well, what would you have to see to be compelled like that? I'm not saying you have to post it, but is their anything anyone could show you that would inspire your heart to feel like "Aw yeah baby, I have big tits baby, you need to come to my house and have sex with me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 05:19 PM
2

If that were true, buff guys on Instagram would be promoted on sexy naked man pages like women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:55 PM
3

What kinds of men does it take to get a conversation like this started?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:21 PM
1

What could get you to act like them? If not me?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:33 PM
2

What's a "compelling narrative?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:33 PM
5

Is there somewhere I can hear women talk like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:31 PM
1

How about the many thousands of other men who like fat plastic asses?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:29 PM
1

Like who?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:25 PM
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I don't think there's a difference, maybe I'm wording it wrong. What kind of body/body part would you need to see to get your motor running like mine does when I see a perfectly injected plastic ass on Instagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:24 PM
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I want to understand them sexually, not hobbies-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:14 PM
1

I'm not using this as an example of the character's psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:24 AM
1

Discussion of overarching popular culture themes, however, is on-topic and makes for an interesting analysis of the shifts in cultural thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:16 AM
1

So it would have to, at least, be someone who is bluepilled in a world where most people aren't. Or bluepilled in a way that most people aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 07:34 PM
1

If you narrow it down to "bluepillers who are specifically related to the manosphere," you get those MensLib types. The ones who believe that men themselves are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:40 PM
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That's why I'm asking a variety of people, to see which kinds of answers prevail. But if this bluepilled person is a villain, this person probably has to be losing. Has to be the kind of person people aren't listening to. The kind of person who can be quoted with dramatic looking pictures of themselves. Like Joker and Durden.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:39 PM
2

No one can agree on what the blackpill really is. All we can agree on is 2019's Joker is an incel movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 11:01 PM
3

Oh yeah! Kronk is a villain. You kinda forget.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 09:44 PM
1

Joker and Durden are both wrong, but people like their ideologies anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:29 PM
1

So a bluepill villain would be someone who lives the bluepill ideology in the face of a world that rejects it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:23 PM
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Yes, the same same way the blackpilled like to Jokerpost, and the way the redpilled quote Durden.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:55 PM
1

I'm looking more for reasons related to their characters, and natures as women who are under each other's pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 09:20 PM
1

What if it wasn't necessarily in the middle of nowhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 08:16 PM
2

So are gay men acting like Winslow and Green Goblin?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 08:10 PM
2

A cave is a good example. Now we need to answer why it would be a bad idea for two women to be stuck in a cave together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:41 PM
4

What's a "vagina shaped house?" What purpose do they serve?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 11:59 PM
1

But what red pilled women tell me is that the red pill is simply the truth, and any woman who isn't red pilled simply hasn't become aware of the truth. So really, every woman wants what a red pilled woman wants, it's just the red pilled women are aware of it. If the red pill is true.
/r/RedPillWomen29/10/21 02:44 AM
1

Well, as commonly accepted as "I like makeup on a woman" is, what is commonly accepted for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:02 AM
1

But these aren't sexual things. If these had sexual value, porn would take advantage of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 04:21 AM
1

What should men appreciate in a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 02:58 AM
2

Well, you might just be a better man than most.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 09:30 PM
1

Yeah, but that's less fun than being sexy and attracting sexy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 09:26 PM
1

They might not think they do, but they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:40 PM
1

We could maybe learn to appreciate each other for more substantial qualities. But that's hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:40 PM
1

r/PurplePillDebate can be a cruel place. I don't think any of us are here to heal anything or make progress. Simply to learn how to navigate a broken world and live amongst broken people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:33 PM
1

Well I'm noticing some different opinions, but I don't value them more than yours. I value all of you guyseses opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:23 PM
1

It's not "fair" I know. But this is about figuring out what men like and what women like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:23 PM
1

That's really interesting. And you being a woman, from what I can tell, convinces me all the more to take your perspective for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:08 PM
1

I mean "physical attraction." I mean "By the looks of that man alone, I think I'd like to have sex with him."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:04 PM
2

Yeah, but apparently women don't feel the same about a nice smelling man as men do about a painted up woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:01 PM
1

But we all feel physical attraction to people, don't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:52 PM
1

Different genders, different standards. Men just happen to like what women can buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:52 PM
1

Yes we are, if we want women then we are. And many men want women. So we strive to be Brad Pitt. Hence all of the forums and subreddits where we men are all desperately scheming to somehow make ourselves into what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:16 PM
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Women's desires aren't bound by any "patriarchy system," men are without women because they fail to be attractive according to what women want. So it's women who decide what's attractive on a man, not any patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:08 PM
1

Maybe. But if women must wear makeup to appease men, what must men do to appease women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:02 PM
3

What'd I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:00 PM
2

What's wrong with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 06:59 PM
0

But there are lots of women who are attracted to men, if fame/status was what it took, wouldn't that mean only a rare few men overall were attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 06:14 PM
0

Okay, local band, local sports league, local news anchor... anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 06:03 PM
2

So what features do women like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 05:22 PM
1

Okay so be in a band, play at a local festival or house show or something, that's one way. But they would have to be in the entertainment industry somehow, right? What other local/regional fame is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 05:13 PM
2

The men you know just aren't convinced that their height is an issue. If they're not getting enough sex, I guarantee you they'll ask themselves why. And if it's their height, they'll do something about it. I'm guessing most men just aren't eye-popping levels of short.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 05:02 PM
3

How would I go making women like short, stocky, slow witted bald men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 04:56 PM
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The difference is, men like women wearing makeup. Do women like men wearing makeup? If it were as simple as "Be the change you want to see in the world" I would make being a fat old bald midget attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 04:38 PM
1

What is swagger?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 04:28 PM
3

What's a "fresh haircut?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 04:01 PM
1

What kind of "fame" or "status?" You can make money by applying yourself, but "fame" could mean "Be in one of them MCU movies or else."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 03:58 PM
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You describe it as "getting out of your own way." As if all there is to it is being confident and being yourself. But the resources on the subreddits aren't saying that. The resources on the subreddit are talking about wingmen and shoe lifts and "game." Things beyond simply "getting out of your own way." We're talking tactics and mind games here. We're talking "Hey is anyone in my area willing to come to this bar and wingman/pretend to be my friend as part of an elaborate strategy to get me laid…
/r/seduction13/10/21 03:07 AM
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I'm only going by what other people in these subreddits are telling me. But it you're telling me that the other party has to want my advances first, doesn't that mean I first must be attractive if I want to hook up with people?
/r/seduction13/10/21 02:12 AM
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Hmmm... not yet.
/r/seduction12/10/21 05:23 PM
1

But that's what you do, and what you just did in this thread.
/r/seduction12/10/21 05:20 PM
1

You follow me around and throw spanners into my threads.
/r/seduction12/10/21 05:06 PM
1

I've got a little more time on my hands now to talk about why I want to meet seductresses. When people typically talk about "game" and so forth, the explanation is "This will work because we have broken men/women down to a science, and if you learn that science, you can live beyond your wildest dreams." If that's true, then the science of game should also work on other gamers/seductors/seductrixes. After sharpening my own game, I should be able to win over another gamer. Or another gamer should …
/r/seduction11/10/21 09:38 PM
1

Don't listen to him. He likes to fuck with me for some strange reason.
/r/seduction11/10/21 09:11 PM
1

But from what I read here, the thinking is "You can have 9s and 10s while being a greasy half-man, it's all strategy and we will teach you." The thinking is that no woman is beyond your reach, and I assume no man if I'm a seductress.
/r/seduction11/10/21 07:08 PM
1

I could tell you, and I will, but I'm at work right now and it's kind of a long reason. Is your reason for why I shouldn't want to a shorter explanation?
/r/seduction11/10/21 06:56 PM
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I'm certain I do!
/r/seduction11/10/21 06:53 PM
1

I'm looking for mentors to invite me into the slaying world.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:42 PM
1

Are you talking about the Smosh video?
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:39 PM
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No, not a swinger's club, absolutely not. I want to be invited into the world of the slayer. And a swinger's club is not for slayers. It's that "Fetlifey" crowd I'm trying to avoid.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:38 PM
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Whatever I have to. Tell me what I'll need to become, and I'll make it my goal to become that.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:37 PM
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The sex they don't have? Do I understand you? Why would they brag about that? Being a virgin is no badge of honor.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 01:16 AM
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I'm trying to get the slayers to invite me into their world. I guess what I'm looking for are mentors. But a group of them, and for them to be my friends.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 01:00 AM
1

So how do I meet those kinds of people? What do I rewrite myself as, and how, and once I do, where do I go?
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:34 AM
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Not necessarily. I want to be part of a community, first and foremost. I want to meet people who live the slayer lifestyle.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:13 AM
1

It's more complicated than that. I don't just want any women, nor women for the sake of having women. I want a particular life experience.
/r/askTRP22/08/20 12:02 AM
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I don't want women at the mall though. I want this thing.
/r/askTRP21/08/20 11:24 PM
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Can I post my question in both places? I'd like to encourage use of the new platform, but I also want maximum exposure for my question.
/r/askTRP21/08/20 09:15 PM
1

Here's how I like to party.
/r/MGTOW27/04/20 10:31 AM
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It's not just the act of sex with someone else, I mean I don't see very many women pursuing sexual interests. You don't have to actually have sex with someone to, say, watch their Dirty Snapchat content. But there are lots and lots of men either looking to see a woman's Dirty Snapchat content, or offer some of their own. Meanwhile women aren't really out there looking for a man's naked body to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 02:32 PM
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So women like words and not pictures? But you can't have sex with words.What about when they wanna have actual sex? Drive for sex with someone they can see and appreciate the physical form for, that must factor in, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 10:26 AM
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I'm not just talking about sex. I'm talking about sex drive as a whole. Porn, for instance. Dirty Snapchatting, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 02:58 PM
1

So from your perspective, where are all the women clamoring and lusting after things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 10:31 AM
1

How about just gathering in a comment section and saying "This is really good work by Such-And-Such." Is that weird?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 10:29 AM
1

I don't mean the porn we watch, I mean porn that appeals to women. I mean, erotic drawings, for instance. Why are there huge communities of men who congregate and discuss that, but not-as-huge communities of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 10:24 AM
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Ahhhhh, that is something. Okay, so maybe there aren't many actual ladies on r/LadyBoners, but what are these gay men supposed to talk about on r/LadyBoners then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 10:10 AM
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Well, what should we be commenting in all these subreddits and comments sections instead? What do you think they're talking about on r/LadyBoners?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 09:47 AM
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I'm not just talking about the physical act of sex, I'm talking about drive. Drive not just to have sex, but even just to see naked, sexualized depictions of men. That doesn't hurt, it has nothing to do with orgasms save for the orgasms brought about during the masturbation that should happen when women find these sexualized depictions of men. All things square and equal, there should be just as many women looking for nudes and sexting as there are men looking for nudes and sexting. If not on Re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 09:14 AM
1

So if this is an irrational feeling, it should be noted that so is sexual drive. So how is it that sexual drive isn't strong enough to override this irrational fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 09:12 AM
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Because we enjoy porn. We are fans of pron actresses and hentai waifus and when you're a fan of something, you congregate with other fans and create a place where content like that can be hosted. Without a bunch of strangers who love porn getting together, there is no place for porn to be hosted. Why do you think porn sites have comments sections? You're supposed to express your appreciation for porn somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 09:11 AM
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I think I lost you. What I'm saying is, why do women not demand sexualized depictions of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 07:33 AM
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You don't? Do you not enjoy the sexualized masculine form the way men enjoy the sexualized feminine form?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 06:45 AM
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But why the low demand, if men and women are equally sexual creatures? And it's not just Reddit, it's everywhere. Why are there so many tittystreamers on Twitch, and such an economy for them? Why are there so many men, like myself, who seek out tittystreamers, but no female audience seeking out whatever the heterosexual female would want in place of a tittystreamer?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 06:44 AM
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I think a lot of women would disagree, but I don't know much for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:58 AM
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No, we like the women, it's just for some reason women don't like as many men as men like women. Men like lots of women, and like them a lot. Enough to build imageboard after subreddit after Patreon dedicated to the sexualized image of women. Women don't seem to be showing as much demand for nekkid boys. Men are on r/DirtySnapchat like "Hey, can I see some nudity?" But women aren't. They don't seem to want to see it to the same degree as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:57 AM
1

So... men are Africans, and what we desire is rancid Soylent Green?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:55 AM
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When people say "Women like sex as much as men" they mean sex drive. They mean sexual appetite. For porn and the like. Not the physical ability to enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:54 AM
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I do essentially mean that sex must be rare if such a large percentage of women don't feel the need to have sex, and are holding out. But you say 80% of women are reproducing? With who? If the majority of women aren't too hard up to have sex with most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 03:23 AM
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Not just the statements people make on Reddit, the statements people make everywhere. But I believe women watch porn. It's just I don't see the same demand for it. If women liked porn as much as men liked porn, wouldn't there be an equal amount of women congregating and talking about the porn they liked, same as men? I'm not just talking about Brazzers or Mofos or anything like that, I mean erotic artists and stuff. If women liked porn as much as men did, shouldn't I see an equal amount of outle…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 03:21 AM
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So the reproductive rates of society hinge on these very few women? Because everyone else is waiting for a man that only exists in their minds? Or just not having sex because they don't need to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:52 PM
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But that is what people say, and they were saying it yesterday. And they've been saying it other days too. You say women don't like porn, you get called out for it because it assumes women don't have sex drives like men do. People start fetching figures to prove that women are on porn sites too, and fighting the belief that porn is just for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:51 PM
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But how so? A fanfic writer has to put their username to whatever they write. The people commenting on these stories, all of their usernames are out there. Imageboards can be anonymous. Or at least no more identifying than Archive Of Our Own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:49 PM
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That's what people mean when they say "like sex." The drive to have it. The argument is that women don't care about getting sex or having sex as much as men do. And activists are saying "No, women are just as crazy about sex as men are."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:07 PM
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What sex scandal? I'm saying if women like CGI werewolf sex, why aren't the CGI werewolf sex animations being posted all over the place like men repost their porn? Why is there no CGI werewolf sex post on an imageboard, with mostly women gathering saying "I sure do like that CGI werewolf sex?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:05 PM
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I mean "There are only a scant few women who can be pleased by as many men as men can be pleased by women." There are lots and lots of men who are willing to have sex with most women. But there are very few women who are willing to have sex with most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:04 PM
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What I mean is, where are the women responding to ads like the men on r/DirtySnapchat are responding to ads? Tinder isn't that place. Tinder is another example of men putting up ads and getting nothing, but women putting up ads and getting all the responses. What I need to know is, if men and women have equal sex drives, where are the women clamoring for sex like how men clamor for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:00 PM
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I read the thread, but I'm not understand your original point. You said that saying men and women are equal sexually is a way to get people to... be mad at women or something? Because it's feminist activists who are saying those things. To say "Women don't like sex as much as men do" would probably be considered pretty misogynist, if yesterday's outrage at Alyssa Milano was anything to go by.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 10:57 PM
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There are only a scant few women who have conditions that match the conditions of men though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 09:32 PM
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No one's saying women have no sex drive/thirst, just that they have less sex drive/thirst. That's not bait, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 09:30 PM
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I'm not sexually active. But if I were a woman who wanted to have sex, where would I go?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 09:27 PM
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Okay, so say I was a woman who wanted to have sex. How would I get it? Where are they seeking it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 09:12 PM
1

What is a terp?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 09:05 PM
1

So the reason DirtySnapchat and the like are out of proportion is because women are coy about what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 08:55 PM
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There are men who don't wanna fuck in a night club toilet. There are women who don't wanna fuck in a night club toilet. There are men who DO wanna fuck in a night club toilet. And I believe there are women who wanna fuck in a night club toilet too. But my point is, I don't see them very often. I don't see women who wanna do it like men wanna do it very often.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 08:51 PM
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It's not an issue of having trouble, it's just they aren't in the designated places for that kind of thing. If you want someone to sext on Snapchat, you go to where the meeting places are, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 08:45 PM
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46 now. I am incel, but I wouldn't call myself having lost hope. Still, it's kinda disheartening. What I want is to see women liking men the way I like women. And to basically hear "We don't, really," is kind of a harsh blow. If you ever wanted to make a woman feel about you the way you feel about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 08:37 PM
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So wouldn't that mean the "patriarchical thinking" was accurate? Me, I still hold that stereotypes are no basis for anything, but Devil's Advocate™, no one was saying that women don't like sex at all. The "patriarchical thinking" was that women like it less. That women like sex to such a middling degree that they can afford to have a sex strike.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 08:35 PM
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So we only reproduce as a society because of the scant few women who are willing to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 08:32 PM
1

What about Dirty Snapchat though? That's not really meeting up for sex, it's just getting nudes from someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 07:47 PM
0

So women are having so much sex, they have no need for porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 07:26 PM
1

But if stigma hasn't stopped women from posting on Archive Of Our Own, why should it stop women from making imageboards and sharing and reposting and all the other stuff men do with their porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 07:24 PM
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Art from deviantArt gets posted to imageboards and stuff. If there is porn for women on deviantArt, why isn't it being shared and reposted like porn for men is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 06:38 PM
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But there's drawings and 3D porn that delves into the anatomically impossible. Why are they not on Danbooru or Gelbooru looking for that? It's all dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 06:25 PM
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Okay, Archive of Our Own, I've heard of that. You say that it's mostly women over there, and not men? Question is, why are women so about fanfiction? Why do they not seek out other kinds of porn like they do fanfics?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 06:17 PM
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There's a social stigma around male sexuality, and yet there are plenty of creepy men on the Internet talking about their creepy fetishes. They go to where creepy men can safely congregate. I can't find such a place for women. There's nothing stopping women from forming up a place and congregating there, right? Otherwise there would be no r/LadyBoners. It's just for some reason women aren't going there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 06:09 PM
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The interest in Dirty Snapchatting? ​ Well, let's forget the Dirty Snapchatting. Let's just do flat out porn. Where are all of the women there? Why are there these massive communities of men on imageboards and video aggregates that are getting together chatting about which actresses they like and trying to find out who that one chick in that one ad is, but when it comes to sexualized depictions of men, the market is just not there? If anything, it's more men who are seeking the sexualized depict…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:55 PM
0

But if Africa and America both had access to a magic vending machine that gave them whatever food they wanted, why aren't the Americans using it? Where do they get their food?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:51 PM
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So you "technically" want it, just not as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:47 PM
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They don't? So how is the species continuing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:43 PM
2

So where are these chocoholic women getting offered chocolate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:39 PM
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Don't need to post ads? Because there are plenty of ads by women. Just not a lot of responses to men's ads by women. Women are putting up ads and getting responses, but they're not responding to men's ads.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:23 PM
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I don't think it is ego. Because I'm a dude, and I've considered DirtySnapchat. Because I wanna see T&A with a personal connection, but there's too much competition going to the woman's ad, so I put up an ad of my own. And I think I'm like most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:22 PM
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Oh no, ohhhhh nooooooo, I want you to be wrong, but you're probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:17 PM
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Isn't that what I said? That women enjoy sex same as men, and it's not a thing they put up with as a favor to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:14 PM
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But the reaction to #SexStrike was real. People were coming forth saying women like sex just as much as men. But I'm not just talking about sex, I'm talking about porn. Yeah you could say "Dirty Snapchat is stupid, porn exists." And yet, there are lots of men on Dirty Snapchat looking to snap with women. Men who know about porn. So why don't they just go look at porn? There must be some appeal to Snapchat. So why aren't women also looking to Snap? There's no danger, it's just Snapchat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 05:12 PM
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But these women must want sex as much as men do, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:24 PM
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Well, I thought lots of people were. There was a whole #SexStrike debate yesterday where people were getting mad at Alyssa Milano. Saying "Hey that's not fair, stop perpetuating this patriarchical thinking that only men like sex and women have to be convinced to have sex!" So I'm like "Okay, where are all of the horny women?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:23 PM
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I'm not saying your wrong, what you say lines up with what I've seen, but I'd really like to hear from some women about this. Because this would really be something to hear from a woman, to say "Nah, we don't like sex as much as you, so you really gotta convince us."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:22 PM
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Well how about a place where women are blowing up men's sexual ads? Forget about the "Women aren't getting much response from men" part. There must be women out there who are as horny as the men who populate the Internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:20 PM
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So if they aren't, how do we as a society have sex? I don't know if you're a woman, but if a woman was to admit this, I'd be really curious as to how sex is supposed to work because this would basically be saying "Men are dripping with sexual urge, but women are not, and that causes an imbalance."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:18 PM
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Men and women aren't equally sexual creatures? How are we, as a society, supposed to have sex then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:17 PM
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I mean sexually. Are there places where women are blowing up men's sexual ads but women aren't getting much response from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 04:16 PM
1

I personally believe it's an issue that women should bring up and should be fought, but I don't know why the same people that fight so doggedly for women won't also fight doggedly for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 11:28 PM
1

Wanting someone to smile because they look threatening isn't really about any concern for them as a person. It's as much concern for them as a person as asking a woman to smile because she looks better. They're not worried about how the threatening person feels, they don't actually care how the threatening person feels, as long as the threatening person doesn't make life uncomfortable for them. If someone says "Smile more, you're threatening me," that's not them worrying about how I feel, it's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 01:50 PM
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Isn't it about my appearance when people tell me to smile because I have a handsome face? ​ Also, there are plenty of offensive reasons to be asked to smile, aren't there? Like, "Smile more, because I don't trust your face when you don't smile." Or "Smile more, you disturb me the way you look now." Is "Smile so you look pretty" the only sexist way to ask someone to smile?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 12:34 PM
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All sexism and all racism is oppressive. Including towards men, whites, and Anglos. It's not discounted because of assumptions like "Yeah but men have had it pretty good so they can put up with women getting more representation than men for a while." ​ And holding men and women to stereotypes is also oppressive. You tell a woman she's weaker than a man, she takes that as a challenge, and rightfully so. You tell a man he's predisposed to aggression, he'll take that as a challenge. You can't bind …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 12:02 AM
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What makes either of those reasons acceptable? And who says men can't be told to smile for the same reasons women are? That's the point I meant to open with. This thinking that "Well people just aren't sexist towards men" needs to go. It's insensitive and inaccurate. That women never impose themselves on men or expect men to fulfill some sexual obligation. It lets these bad women off scot free, and it underrepresents these men who are victims of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 07:09 PM
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Sexism is any bias based on sex. It's no fairer to say "Men are violent and impulsive" than it is to say "Women are weak." It's just as hurtful, and we feel just as imposed upon, being told "As a man you have an obligation to acquiesce to people's fears." Sexism derived from fear is still sexism, just like racism derived from fear is still racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 06:57 PM
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I think it's unfair to assume men aren't held to that standard and only women are. What about when a man doesn't smile and people take it as aggression? "I feel uncomfortable, that man isn't smiling so I'm afraid he might hit me or somebody?" That's also a thing. And it's been mentioned in this thread. Maybe that's anecdotal, but if it is, isn't everything in this thread anecdotal?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 03:58 PM
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I am the proof, and the men in this thread are the proof. And what makes the reasons I'm told to smile more "acceptable" where it's unacceptable for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 05:35 AM
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My problem though is, it happens to me and many men like me. But people only ever talk about it like men are the aggressors and women are on the receiving end. So I gotta wonder, if this isn't a case of "Oppression Olympics," if this isn't a case of "Men don't get it bad enough/often enough to get the same acknowledgement women do," why is it exactly the narrative is so one-sided? This is happening to us, but Colbert won't say for us what he says for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 01:07 AM
1

Bus stop. I'm waiting on the bus, someone asks if I'm upset about something. I say I'm not. They tell me I look really angry. I explain that I don't mean to look angry. They say I shouldn't scowl, because I have a handsome face.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:06 PM
1

I think I worded that wrong. What I probably should've said was "I assumed people thought this was sexist because people thought men didn't get asked this but women did." My point is, that's not true, men are victims of this just as women are victims of this. So maybe it's not sexism, maybe people are just a little insensitive to people who don't feel like smiling right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:04 PM
1

Wait a minute, why is it only sexist if it's men asking women to smile more? Why is the inverse okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:03 PM
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What about how people tell Superman to smile more? He's not allowed to be a scowley badass. And what about how they don't tell any of the other women of the MCU to smile more? They didn't tell RDJ to smile more, but they didn't tell any of the women to smile either. Just Brie Larson.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:02 PM
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It does happen to me at work, but when it happens to women at work it's still sexist. Not only is it sexist, but it's cited more often than being told to smile at the airport. Being told to smile more by co-workers is cited as the more egregious offense. But this isn't just happening to me and other men in social situations. Men are victims of this just as randomly and wantonly as women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:00 PM
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But what about when men are told to smile more? Because it does happen, it happens to me and it happens to men in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:58 PM
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But I get it on the street. I get it in clubs from strangers and in lots of other places. Are men really not being stumped for just because they don't have it "as bad" as women? If that's even true?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:57 PM
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I don't know if "suffering" is the right word. It's whatever it is when it happens to women. My point is, if it's worth the kind of response that happens when women experience this, the same response should happen when men experience this. People shouldn't be saying "Technically it happens to men, but it doesn't happen enough for us to care as much when it happens to women."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:55 PM
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But this does happen to men. And if the response to that is "Men don't have it bad enough to get the same social response that women do," that's really not fair. For men to suffer like this but be told "Yeah, but women have it worse, so you get less stumping done for you."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 01:22 PM
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It definitely happens to men, and it happens a lot. Men, including me, are judged by their "resting bitch face," it's just not called "resting bitch face" when men have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 01:19 PM
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It happens to me, and it happens to other men. I'll be out at something, and strangers will tell me that I look like I don't want to be bothered, and that I'm not smiling enough. These are complete strangers. And not just male strangers, but female strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 01:17 PM
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Exactly. People seem to THINK men don't get asked this, but we do. I'm pretty sure it's a thing everyone gets asked, but it's presented as this thing that women only get asked by men. Not men asked by women. Or women asked by women. Or men asked by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:51 PM
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Marvel heroes, for some reason, don't look dour like Captain Marvel looked dour. No one called out Black Widow or Okoye or Scarlet Witch or Wasp for their poster and promo portrayals. And "everyone" is familiar with and expects a cheerful Superman, but "everyone" also expects a cheerful Captain Marvel. She herself isn't as popular a superhero as Superman, but she has other reasons to be expected to be cheerful other than her popularity as a character.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:50 PM
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I think it was a few promo photos. But the whole reason this is important at all was because someone pointed out the initial reaction and said "This is because of internalized sexism, she's being asked to smile more because she's a woman." And as far as Superman being moody making sense, storywise it made sense for him to be moody too. According to the story of that particular movie. And the reason it was directed that way was because it should make sense for him realistically to brood when he h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:46 PM
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But what validates this cultural expectation? People wanted Superman to be cheerful, and they had their reasons. He's very popularly known as a cheerful person. What makes that reason more valid than "We want Captain Marvel to be cheerful because superheroes, namely MCU superheroes, are popularly known as inspiring and cheerful heroes?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:31 PM
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Captain Marvel is pretty smiley and hopeful in the comics, but even if you didn't know that, what this comes down to is "Superman should smile more." People have reasons to believe Captain Marvel should smile more too. She's a superhero, that alone is enough for people to want her to not be so grim. Even Batman had that critique levied against him when the Nolan films came out. They wanted more Adam West and less Frank Miller. But not only is Captain Marvel a superhero, she's a superhero in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:23 PM
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But people did have expectations for Captain Marvel. If no other expectation other than she's a superhero and in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So she should be happier and/or funnier. If people didn't have expectations, they wouldn't have complained, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:16 PM
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I brought up Superman because he and Captain Marvel are both superheroes who were asked to smile more. Superman should be hopeful, but why shouldn't Captain Marvel? People like hopeful heroes and they were asking her to be more hopeful. Isn't that as good a reason as any? You could say that Captain Marvel isn't "supposed" to be moody either. You could say that her character "should" be cheerful and hopeful too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:04 PM
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Superman not being smiley and hopeful was such a big deal, it became, like with Colbert, a point of comedy. It was everywhere, here's it being referenced in an Honest Trailer. ​ Witness the hero who once stood for truth, justice, and the American way stand for brooding, moping, and wondering why he even bothers. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:54 AM
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Critics and audience members. They said Superman should smile more and not be so angry/fierce. Hence his character reversal in Justice League.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:50 AM
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Well, someone's got some apologizing to do to Cavill's Superman then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:48 AM
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What about Superman? People told him to smile more because, as a superhero, he should represent hope. Captain Marvel was no stranger to being bright and hopeful in the comics also.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:32 AM
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But women, very often secretaries or administrative assistants or the like, get told to smile more. And that's used as a touchstone of institutional sexism. Telling women on the job to smile more because they're putting people off. On the other hand, when I go out, strangers, men and women alike, always ask me "Is something wrong? You're not smiling. You should smile more."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:30 AM
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I'm not just talking about how crimes should be handled on the criminal justice level. I'm talking about crimes, harassment, microaggressions, anything bad, is seen on the level of society's standards. ​ Pedophilia isn't seen as "Bad men taking advantage of innocent girls." It's seen as "Bad adults taking advantage of innocent kids." Even if it's a woman and the boy likes it. To think otherwise would be wrong. That's why when people DO think otherwise, they're called out for it. To see a crime o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:50 PM
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But that's not how crimes are meant to be handled. Even if women were the primary victims of catcalling, you don't pursue it disproportionately. These "women's movements" shouldn't be advocating for women alone, because it's bad no matter who it happens to. Women's lives aren't the only ones that matter and shouldn't get more attention than other lives. ​ Furthermore, that's not how other crimes are handled. For instance, most pedophiles are men who prey on girls. And yet, Perverted Justice and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:00 PM
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Crimes aren't "gendered." Crime is crime no matter who it happens to. You can't just assume "Well we only hear about it happening to women, therefore if it was to happen to a man, they probably wouldn't mind." I wouldn't have to ask people to stick up for me for any other crime, no one thinks of other crimes in genders or ethnicities. Crime is crime in every other instance except this for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:46 AM
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Okay, so, what my boss and these customers and these store staffers did is objectively wrong, same as calling a woman "baby." Why am I not being advocated for? ​ Is it because I'm only saying something now? That doesn't pan out. It doesn't pan out that women should get so much representation for being catcalled, but not men, because it doesn't matter who the crime happens to. If it was mostly women who were victims of burglary, does that mean we only care about burglary when it happens to women?…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:03 AM
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What about customers at the store? Or store staff? Can they call me "baby?" ​ And there are victims. I don't speak for every man. I'm not the only person this has happened to, if social justice is waiting for a victim, there are men out there who don't like what happened to me and wouldn't like it if it happened to them. But mostly, like me, they probably don't like that it can happen to them and people will just shrug at it because not enough men complained or something, when that's not how jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 08:44 AM
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So what is it, do these women only care about justice when women are the victims? Shouldn't these movements be about justice for all, not justice for women alone, and if men want justice they have to start their own movement? Shouldn't good people advocate for good people, regardless of gender? ​ And even if I was bothered by my boss calling me "baby," first ask yourself this: Did my boss knowingly do anything wrong by calling me "baby?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 09:16 PM
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Women are doubted, but you should also see around you several powerful movements today that stick up for women. Specifically women. There are no movements like that for men. ​ And what I do care about is why it's not catcalling when it happens to me. If a woman is catcalled, even if she doesn't care, it's still catcalling. If she doesn't consider it a problem, people will say "Well if she's fine with it, that's fine, but that doesn't mean it's something we should allow in general." People will c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:44 PM
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Wait, first, I don't just mean women. I mean anyone, man or woman, who has a problem with men catcalling women. This is all of society that's come together for this cause. ​ As for this somehow being something only I notice, some kind of rare phenomenon unique to where I live, I don't think so. Because there are men in this thread who've experienced it. It's just a lot of those men, like a lot of people in general, just don't consider it a catcall. It's all because women catcalling is held to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:09 PM
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I'm not saying they call men "baby," I'm saying they know that women call men "baby." Just as much as they know men call women "baby." ​ As frequently as it happens, I find it hard to believe that we can be so aware of this epidemic of catcalling men, but see so few catcalling women. I see it and hear it constantly, it's just people don't consider it matter-of-fact catcalling when it's said to me. But when you call a woman "baby," everybody knows that to be catcalling and everyone will call it o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 04:41 PM
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It's catcalling when it happens to a woman. You only hear protests and rallies to action when men are "condescending" to women by calling them things like baby. No one ever says anything about women calling men "baby," even though I see it happen constantly, to me and others. But they will specifically talk about men doing this to women, as if women were the only victims and men the only predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 12:17 PM
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That's not the precedent, that's why we have sexual harassment policies that strictly outline what you aren't allowed to do. If I do something that the policy says is harassment, then it's harassment. But if I don't do something that the policy says is harassment, even if it's unwanted by someone, it's not harassment. You can't hold people to rules that are based on guesswork. You can't shame someone on an assumption. Only through knowing disregard of someone's boundaries can you be considered h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 12:16 PM
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I said punish or shame. You can't hold a man to a "You should've known better" standard but not a woman, whether that be in a court of law or a court of Reddit, because in either case it's a double standard. This isn't about "Well it's not like he went to jail," I've made it clear, even if he didn't, if a man should just know not to call a woman "baby," we should hold women to the same standard. But we don't. You talk like we do, but we don't. That might be how you feel things should be done, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:26 AM
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No, you can't punish or shame someone on something as baseless as an assumption. Furthermore, no one would tell a woman "If you don't report it, it's your fault/your problem." Haven't you seen this big push about women who are taken advantage of, but still don't report it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:01 AM
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You can feel however you want about a person, but you can't shame someone based on an assumption. To shame is to say "You should've known better than to do that," but unless that rule is clearly defined and equally applicable to everyone, there's no grounds for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 12:46 AM
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What they reacted to wasn't the fact that she said anything. What they reacted to was the fact that he said something. What you have to consider is, they're shaming this man. You can only shame someone for knowing disregard of a rule. So it's got nothing to do with her reaction and everything to do with what that thread believed is "common sense" for people. They shamed him not just because she happened to feel uncomfortable, but because he should've known, regardless of whether she would've let…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 12:32 AM
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Guessed based on what? The workplace is the last place to get chummy with somebody. Harassment is harassment whether you "read the room" or not. It's only not harassment if you have explicit permission to do it otherwise. If I told my supervisor "You can call me 'baby'" then it's definitely not harassment. But if she's just assuming that I'm cool with her calling me "baby," then that sets the precedent that anyone can try anything provided they read the room well enough. And no one reads the roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:51 PM
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Even if they did think she was hitting on me, there's difference there too. When a man hits on a woman, and the story is told, the reaction is "Wow what a creep when will men learn to respect our boundaries" but when a woman hits on a man, and the story is told, the reaction is "Was she hot? If so, I hope you sealed the deal." Double standard. It's just assumed that all men want to be hit on, just as it's assumed that all women feel victimized by being hit on. So men get disproportionately shame…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:48 PM
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But this is "catcalling." When it happens to a woman. The people in that thread are saying that's catcalling. People in the past, in blog posts and articles and so on, have said things like this are "catcalling." But for some reason it's not catcalling when it happens to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 11:39 PM
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Maybe it's not in your area. But it happens enough to me that I would think, if there WASN'T a double standard, the people who think pet names aren't appropriate for strangers would be rallying to protest this the way we protest the catcalling of women. But I hear nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:33 PM
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I'm talking about the thread's reaction. The fact that there was such a unanimous opinion that this man must've meant something untoward. Based on nothing. ​ And I never said you couldn't ask people not to call you "baby" if you don't want them to. The double standard is assuming that men mean harm when they say "baby," but women don't. Absence of double standard would be thinking "He probably means well, but I still would rather he didn't call me 'baby.'" The presence of double standard here is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:25 PM
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But why do I hear it from so many women? Women say it to me all the time, women say it to other women all the time. Women say it to other men all the time. Why do we raise so much hell about men catcalling, but not women catcalling? If a man calling a woman "baby" is condescending, then so is a woman calling someone else "baby." But one we talk about a lot more than the other. Even though I hear more women calling me and others "baby" than I do any man having the stones to actually catcall someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:59 PM
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If you find pet names unwelcome, that doesn't mean the person who used the pet name is immediately at fault. That's where the double standard is. ​ Man calls woman "baby." Woman doesn't like that. Instead of understanding that this man probably meant no offense and didn't know you feel that way about "baby" and politely asking to be called by a different name, woman assumes "He must be catcalling me because that's what men do." Woman goes on Reddit to complain. Other people rally around her and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:57 PM
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Also never good to say. You're supposed to be taken seriously when you're angry. To say "You're cute when you're angry" would be akin to actually insulting someone. You'd only let it slide if you had a definite personal understanding with that individual. Like, you can't call a stranger a bitch, because "bitch" is an insult no matter who says it. But friends can have agreements between one another where they insult each other and it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:25 PM
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It's not just on Reddit, like I said, it's everywhere, Reddit, articles, YouTube videos, it's a widespread standard. On top of that, why is it I have to shrug off sexism on Reddit, but when it's sexism from men, that's worth a quarantining or a shutdown or something like that? If I were a woman complaining about a subreddit circlejerking about how women are big bitches because they do one thing, but men aren't because we're just gonna assume men mean well, the response wouldn't be "There's no do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:23 PM
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He was in that thread. Calling someone "baby" at the drive-thru is considered catcalling at least in that thread. Catcalling being limited to wolf whistles is not anything consistent that I've seen. I've sen blog posts, articles, other posts on Reddit, with many a definition for what a "catcall" or a "lewd reaction" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:58 PM
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How often do women catcall men? ​ More than men catcall women. But you might not consider it "catcalling." Like I said, women call me "baby" all the time. Why isn't that catcalling? Because the women don't mean for it to be? Who says every man accused of catcalling meant anything untoward by it? Why is it "catcalling" when a man does it, but a woman can say similar and we just assume she only meant well? Why can't a man mean well? ​ As for my last paragraph, that's what I said. There are groups …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:19 PM
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I don't just mean in the workplace, I mean in the drive-thru, I mean on the street where most catcalling happens. I mean everywhere. People care more about catcalling towards women than they do catcalling towards men because in the eyes of most people, it's not really possible for a man to be catcalled by a woman because surely a woman only means well when she compliments a man or calls him "baby." But we don't give men that benefit of the doubt. ​ When you make assumptions about people based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 07:03 PM
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If there really isn't a double standard from you, even though you said that stuff about "Men are mostly this and women are mostly that," which is a double standard, then there's clearly a double standard from someone. ​ Babycalling women are way common and no one says anything, but will speak to no end about catcalling men. Because it's seen as predatory/condescending from a man, but a woman apparently can only mean well when she does it. A man can't mean well. In the eyes of the majority of soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:44 PM
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That thread on Reddit is the consequence. It doesn't matter how severe the consequences of this double standard are, the fact that there's a double standard alone is bad. Racism is bad even if there aren't many "real-life consequences," just as sexism is bad even if there aren't many "real-life consequences." The "consequence" is that men are seen as predators for calling someone a pet name, but women aren't. ​ And I never said it was harassment, it was other people that did. But specifically wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:30 PM
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It's not just about Reddit, it's about society in general. Like what you said just now. "If you find it uncomfortable, just tell her." Whether on Reddit or not, that's your response to me being in distress about this double standard. I'm frustrated by this double standard, and your advice is to just get over it and report if if I'm so bothered. But no one would ever say that to that woman in that other thread, whether on Reddit or not. That's what I mean to address here. That when she's upset ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 06:22 PM
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Hugging your friend vs. hugging a stranger isn't the same thing as discriminating between an old man and a "big bulky young gangbanger." A hug is intimate contact, so yeah, only people you permit can do that. ​ But if you're talking about a total stranger who happens to be old or a woman or of a certain ethnicity, vs. another total stranger who happens to be young or a man or of a different ethnicity, and naming one a catcalling dickhead who knows what he did and the other just a friendly neighb…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 04:41 PM
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This isn't the only time this has happened. You don't need to go and post your personal story and court sympathy. People will always find time to critique catcalling. Just not when it's directed towards men. Because it's not "catcalling" when it's a woman calling out to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 01:44 PM
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Hold on, how come when something bad happens to me, I have to report if it I'm so offended, but when something happens to a woman, the world rallies to her cause? In that original thread, she's got no shortage of supporters talking about what assholes men are for calling people "baby," but no one says anything about women calling men "baby." Or other women "baby." Why am I on my own when I wanna defend myself, but defending a woman is a global cause?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 01:11 PM
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I'm talking about whether or not it's fair to hold a circlejerk on Reddit about how much of a catcaller a man is for calling someone "baby," but say nothing about all of the women who call men "baby." That's also sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:19 PM
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You can't base policy on generalities and averages though. If I said "Women in general/on average do this, therefore we should treat them like that" then that would be sexism, even if I say "But some women could be different."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:40 AM
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We have rules about that though. Not just in society, but on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:21 AM
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You can't say how naturally thirsty I am. Furthermore, there's every advocacy in the social justice book that says yes, women are as sexual creatures as men are. You can't just take that back when it benefits women. Either we fight for equality or we own up to our biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:18 AM
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It's not my definition, it's the matter-of-fact definition. You tell me what sexism is if not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:04 AM
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You can't assume women have no incentive, and you can't assume men do. And you can't make rules based on "by and large." You're gonna punish the guy who isn't trying to hit on people for the sins of some guy who did try to hit on people?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 10:04 AM
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So sexism is unacceptable in every context, that's basic. You've got a hard sell on your hands if you were to ask people "Is sexism warranted?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:45 AM
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If there's a double standard, you don't just say "Well that's the standard and we have to accept it." You say "That's wrong, it shouldn't be, it's sexism and it has no place in our society."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:43 AM
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But that's sexism. That's the literal definition of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:42 AM
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I'm not blaming you for it, I'm just making an observation, and asking you if I'm not crazy in seeing what I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:21 AM
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So where did I misunderstand? I'm saying "sex differences" are negligible at best and absolutely zero reason to base rules around. You can't treat me different for being a man just because you think men have certain tendencies. You just can't do that. That's sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:20 AM
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I think it's normal too, but I've noticed that the people who don't like "babycalling" only talk about it when it's a man saying it to a woman. So if there's no double standard, why is no one coming to the defense against old ladies like we do against young men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 09:05 AM
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Not every man? Then the law has no basis. You can't hold every man accountable for some men. You can't hold even one man accountable for another man. You judge men individually. Not on assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:49 AM
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That's why you can't cite "culture" when it comes to harassment. Not in a culture that doesn't allow harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:48 AM
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And that's why you can't base standards around what you think "the norm" is. You can't apply different standards to me because I'm a man and it just seems like a man would probably be the hitter and not the hittee. You judge men and women equally, you don't make assumptions about which one is probably doing something. You don't base standards around "probably."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:47 AM
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But a woman can hit on people, and a man can not hit on people. We aren't bound by people's guesses and assumptions and we certainly shouldn't be punished based on them. We can't label a man a predator just because he said something we think is predatory, based on top of an assumption that he could've only meant it in a predatory way because men are pursuers. That's sexism. Literally am unsubstantiated prejudice based on someone's sex. And you definitely can't write laws based on prejudice. Nor …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:22 AM
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Just because it's perfectly normal to use ethnic slurs in one culture doesn't make that acceptable. But even if we let that slide, if I come into your world and start using ethnic slurs, and your world isn't cool with that, you can't just say "Well that's how he does it where he's from so it's okay." Whatever the rules are in your world/culture, they have to be objective. You can't punish people in any world/culture based on assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:19 AM
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Okay so just to make sure I'm clear, you said.. ​ Because male's sexuality is predatory and women's is not. And.. ​ I mean that not all humans are exactly the same, and that people will interpret the same action differently depending on who it came from. Sexual predators are almost always men, so when an older man calls a young woman baby there is a connotation of sexual predation and people are uncomfortable with it. If a strange old man calls me baby, I can be pretty certain he's thinking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:15 AM
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Hold on, I'm gonna ask you to clarify so I don't misconstrue that, because that sounds like I could easily misconstrue that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 04:10 AM
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You can't just cite "culture" when it comes to harassment. Otherwise I could say that it's just my culture to call women "baby" and that where I come from everyone calls everyone "baby." Like I said in the other post, if you're gonna make rules that you're gonna hold people to, they have to be objective. They have to apply equally to everyone and be in plain, citable language.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 03:47 AM
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So it's all in the eye of the harassee? Harassment can be anything? So how am I supposed to avoid harassing someone? Harassment, defined in a way that you can enforce rules about it, is supposed to be objective, not subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 03:44 AM
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How come? Why do we just assume an older man means something "sexual" by "baby," but an older woman doesn't mean anything sexual when she says "love" or "babe" or "baby?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 03:43 AM
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Then let us equally shame old black ladies for calling us "baby." Let's get back pay for all of the "babycalling" women have been getting away with. If you can't catcall, even if you didn't mean anything by it, you can't babycall, even if you didn't mean anything by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 03:18 AM
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It's not victim blaming. But while we should teach people to protect themselves, we should also tell bad people not to prey on good people. You should be capable of self-defense and wise practices if you don't wanna get raped, but we also teach rapists that it's bad to rape, as if they didn't already know that. So while we should teach men how to avoid gotcha situations, we should teach other people not to create gotcha situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 03:17 AM
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Yes, that's the definition of unfair if what you're saying is "I don't wanna hear that from him because he's a white man, but it's okay if a black woman says it." We shouldn't accept things that shouldn't be. Isn't that what social justice is about? We could just say "If you wanna get far career-wise put up with your boss's microaggressions because he's the boss and you need the money," but we don't. We push for reform. We point out these injustices on Twitter and make people answer for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 02:27 AM
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But the "hows" and what it felt like someone meant, these are nebulous and up for individual interpretation. I can mean well, but get in trouble/hung out to dry on Reddit just because someone didn't like my tone of voice. Even though I didn't mean any offensive tone of voice and it's just they have a certain kind of tone of voice they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 02:25 AM
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You said it's inappropriate when a "creepy weirdo" calls someone "baby" because a "creepy weirdo" must mean something untoward by it. So what does that mean for people like my kindly old supervisor?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:30 AM
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But how do you know they don't mean as well as a kindly old lady does?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:20 AM
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There are reasons for why you can discipline your own child, or discuss sexual history with your doctor. Because those people are held to specific exceptions. You go through formal arrangements to entrust that kind of thing with your doctor, and with your kid it's your legal obligation to rear them. ​ But an old person vs. a young person, rules of harassment can't apply differently to them. You might personally feel less imposed upon by a kindly old man, and if you wanted to let it slide that'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:11 AM
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But that's unacceptable. You can't base rules about what is and isn't harassment around things like "Yeah but I just feel like he meant something by that, while from her I don't feel like she meant any harm." Especially when it comes to punishments. It has to be based on things that apply equally to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:06 AM
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I hear it from women all the time, directed at me, and others around me. Way more than I hear it from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:04 AM
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"Cute" is a term of endearment for a person, but not a problem. That's why that's insulting, there's no context where a real problem can be "cute." Problems are un-cute. But a person can be cute, in a wholesome, non-sexual way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:03 AM
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I don't think that's fair to say. That "weirdos" aren't allowed to call people "baby," but old lady supervisors are. You can't just base what "demeaning" is on nebulous feeling, if you're drawing up a Human Resources charter on what is and isn't harassment, the rules apply equally to the old lady supervisor, and the young creepy weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:00 AM
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Or "baby" or "sweetheart." That's what I always thought, there's nothing sexual implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:58 PM
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See, but, I don't see that thread calling for equal heads to roll like that. I only ever hear examples of men calling women "baby," even though women call men AND other women "baby" a lot more than men do. So shouldn't the people who don't think you should call anyone "baby" be rallying to all cases of someone being "babycalled?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:56 PM
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I don't think they are. And if they were, they can be overcome. You can't overcome not having a penis. Not easily anyway. But you can overcome beliefs that men are a menace to be curtailed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:54 PM
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Well that's not how it should work. If there really is no double standard, then the people making an example out of men who call women "baby" should have a whole lot of hell to sell to the women who call men "baby."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 11:53 PM
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Also, why should it matter whether they're black or white? If harassment is harassment no matter who perpetrates it, we can't make exceptions for ethnicity, we can't base this off guesswork and assumptions. Maybe the black lady means well because it's a cultural thing. But maybe the white lady also means well and comes from a similar culture. We don't know, so we can't base our rules and standards around culture if we're gonna actually punish or shame people for saying these words.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:15 PM
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But that's not fair, it's not fair that a man can be shamed for this kind of thing, but a Southern waitress won't be. And it's especially not fair that a man can get in real trouble for this kind of thing, but a Southern waitress won't get in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:13 PM
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When it comes to rules that can get people in trouble? And equal treatment? Yes, when it comes to what is and isn't harassment you can't just say "Well this person's my boss and this person's my bartender, so it is/isn't harassment even though it would be if someone else said it."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:12 PM
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But the standard has to be fair and based on something quantifiable. Not assumptions and guesswork. What's fair for an old lady should be fair for a young man. And an old man. And a young woman. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 06:38 PM
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There's a difference between society's double standards and biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 06:37 PM
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Why is it a "hack" when "creepy weirdos" say it, but my supervisor isn't a creepy weirdo for saying "Okay babe, stay safe?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:41 PM
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I've never been called "love," but I've heard "love" being used on other people and it sounds like "baby" to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:39 PM
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That's "Mija" though. What about baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:38 PM
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Well, they do, and it's not just with me, it's all around the office.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:36 PM
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Then that's bad. And the onus is really on the people taking advantage of this double standard to get men shat on. To talk a big game about how bad it was that someone called you "baby," but say nothing of the larger case of women calling men and other women "baby."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:35 PM
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Why can't younger men/women mean to be just as friendly as older men/women though? Yeah, it'd be bad if you said "I'd rather you didn't" and the person said "Nah I'm gonna keep calling you that" because then they'd be knowingly defying your request. But if a man/woman that means well and doesn't know my preferences calls me "baby" even if she's young, can't that just be platonic love like from an older lady?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:32 PM
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Not all of them. One of them is black. The majority are white or Asian.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:29 PM
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Because I thought it was okay. You're saying this isn't okay, and I should report them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:27 PM
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But it's like I said towards the end. While I appreciate my supervisor and wouldn't want her to get in trouble, it's all kinds of bullshit that this drive-thru guy is objectively a dickwad for what he did, but my supervisor and my lobby receptionist and ladies I open doors for and ladies I offer change to, they're just being friendly. It's a double standard that men talking to women can't be friendly, but women talking to me can be friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:27 PM
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What about from a supervisor? Or a lobby receptionist? Or someone you open a door for? Or someone you give a dollar to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:25 PM
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It's not about whether it offends me personally, it's about whether it's objective harassment. Because there's a difference between "harassment" and "Something that happened to rub me the wrong way due to my personal preferences but the person has the right to say it." We shouldn't shame people for saying things unless it's matter-of-factually wrong to say them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:24 PM
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But "asshole" is an insult. "Baby" is a casual term of endearment. One that I hear all the time from people who aren't my close friends. I appreciate my supervisor, but she's not a close friend. She just happens to be my boss and I see her pretty often at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:22 PM
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What if that guy has been getting away with it? I've been called "babe" and "baby" by my supervisor and lobby receptionist, so up until now I thought "babe" and "baby" were okay. It's only now that I'm hearing I would have problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:21 PM
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That's really not fair, and also not how the law/rules work. Harassment needs to be something clearly definable, into things you can and cannot do. Because for one, you can't punish people on a legal system of "Well, just try and guess what words aren't allowed and see if you get away with it" and for two, people have rights, even if those rights offend people. If one of my co-workers wears a "Thanks Babe Stay Safe" shirt to work, unless that's a dress code violation clearly explain in a dress c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:19 PM
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What about pet names from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:16 PM
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That's the thing though. In both cases, why can't my supervisor and the McDonalds guy both mean well? Isn't it unfair that my supervisor can call me baby, but the guy in the drive-thru can't? Even though maybe he means to be just as friendly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:15 PM
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Got it, it's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 06:58 AM
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I've heard "sweetheart" and "baby," but don't people mean the same thing when they say that? When my supervisor calls me "baby" it's akin to "sweetheart."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:51 AM
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That's another good example. Being called "love," people do that all the time in the UK, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:36 AM
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Not even from kindly older people? I live in Philadelphia, if that counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:35 AM
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Pennsylvania.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:34 AM
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Lots of women I don't know call me baby. Usually older women, when I hold doors open for them or give them money. But how come women can call women baby, but men can't call women baby? Can't a man mean to be as friendly as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:58 AM
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My immediate supervisor comes from a place of authority, and she calls me and everyone else "baby" and "babe."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:37 AM
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But context is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? If there's a right time to say "baby," isn't it possible for someone to believe it's that right time, but the other person to believe it's the wrong time?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:30 AM
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But my supervisor calls me and everyone else "baby," and so do other people. Is she out of line?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:29 AM
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Old ladies call me "baby" when I open doors for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:28 AM
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What about a woman calling a man baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 04:28 AM
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So this would be inappropriate coming from, say, some older lady customer, thanking her for exceptional service or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 03:37 AM
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What you're holding the door open for some old lady, and in passing she says "Thanks, baby?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 03:36 AM
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Not her, but the opinion of the thread at large is that it's harassment, or something to be shamed/corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 03:08 AM
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So this would be more appropriate coming from a co-worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 03:07 AM
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I think there's a discussion to be had about what our obligations are vs. what our rights are. You shouldn't harass people, but on the other hand you also have certain rights, and the defense of your rights, even if they offend other people, seems to be important today too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 03:00 AM
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Isn't it possible that the drive-thru guy was being friendly/endearing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 01:57 AM
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What about my context, and /u/lil_ginge?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 01:53 AM
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