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TRP is for me is like a high-school freshman year Been there, done that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:47 AM
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You're making TRP too complicated
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:31 AM
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TRP is about men trying to become high value FDS is about women making themselves available to high value men while avoiding low value men. Different method, same goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:59 AM
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I'm not in the market anymore, so I don't know what are you referring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:29 AM
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He's subscribed to Kevin Samuels lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:13 AM
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Some men don't like FDS because of the language they use (low value man, scrote, incel, etc) In the most practical terms, both FDS and TRP pursue the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:10 AM
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TRP is just information. You don’t apply it to every woman you meet unless you’re a toxic idiot. You keep your eyes open. If you see red flags, you address them or bail. If you don’t, congrats you found a good woman. I'm way past the redpill curtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:02 AM
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I guess so, many men actually live that lifestyle even if they don't identify with the term or the community
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:41 AM
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Also TRP isn't this panacea, it has a decree of falseability and misaplication, thus doesn't work for all men. Hence why MGTOW and Blackpill are gaining more terrain since the last 5 years or so. FDS is basically TRP for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:39 AM
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So basically MGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:36 AM
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Today's dating market has women aiming for the top X% of men. If a man who was average (and sexless) found himself desired by women, he'll likely hit the equivalent of the cock carousel, banging as many young/attractive women as he can. Still, not all women get those men, they're the minority, not all men become HVM. Both men and women date according the social class, income, education and age. Most people are average and date average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:20 AM
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Keep in mind that also average women ( 4/10, 5/10, 6/10) are still considered attractive by majority of men, those women often don't do OF. They join the workforce earlier or start a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:16 AM
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OP makes this weird argument that young men somehow aren't capable of paying for sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:57 PM
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The only thing that varies is the price. Or the method the transaction is made
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:55 PM
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You can pay for prostitution and OnlyFans if you're above 18. Hell, many young men go to Tijuana or Sao Paolo due to the sex industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:52 PM
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That's probably true today, but will that remain true in the future? Given that men are more attracted to younger/fitter women, a man who makes something of himself will aim for those women. That leaves older/less attractive women out in the cold. 10% or so of men earn a six digits income, majority of men are born average and stay average. A 29 year old virgin guy wouldn't start suddenly banging a different 19 year model each week just because he reached 30. Older women are more likely to opt ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:40 PM
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Women are open to have casual sex with above average men compared to average men. I see your point tho, around of 4% of women are asexual while only 1,6% of men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:26 PM
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Most women have low sociosexuality to majority of men, which is the average men. They have high sociosexuality to the top 20% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:12 PM
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I was addressing the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:47 PM
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Sugar babying is just a form of monogamous prostitution, not real dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:42 PM
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Majority of relationships are apart 1-3 years, so it's not a huge gap. Most young women date young men around that age range. I also think the dichotomy of young men vs. older men isn't that useful anymore. How about the older men who are working class or average earning?. Many women (both young and older) opt out from dating thanks to self-sufficient economics, more and more women join the workforce each year So it's not just "what men do" but also "what women do" too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:41 PM
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Many men live the MGTOW lifestyle somehow someway, even if they don't identify with the label Let's face it, not all men are romantically or sexually successful
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:23 PM
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By that logic just sterilize 90% of the population so only the David Beckham's and the Shakira's of the world can reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:40 PM
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Luck, be the right man with the right circumstances. I had a chubby Korean classmate who got no problem getting two cute girlfriends back in his late teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:36 PM
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Still, hispanic prostitutes may upgrade to online sex work but that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:13 PM
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Automation, more women joining the workforce each year, legalization of abortion, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:34 PM
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Stud used to describe lesbian chicks
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:30 PM
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Latin American countries have both prostitution and higher birth rates
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:25 PM
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Both HVM and HVW aren't that common, so...most people are average and remain average
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:56 PM
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"Built a future" as in....
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:39 PM
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I'm in workforce since I was 17, grinding how I'd describe it, is about surviving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:35 PM
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Loves come and goes, people won't be attracted to the same people they were tobback in the day
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:00 AM
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Stud used to be applied to masculine lesbian chicks Similar with fuckboys, applied mostly to gay dudes...how times have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:58 AM
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Those who are get corporate respect lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:54 AM
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Most elite folks are open to weird shit, ask Jeff Eps and Ghis Maxwell
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:16 AM
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They are straight and also the majority. Nope, they're the top 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:00 AM
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Look at today's culture. Gay men on billboards, winning grammys, running the entertainment and fashion industries, LGBT merchandise, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:56 AM
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She simply didn't play her cards correctly, like Salma Hayek or Shakira did
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:52 AM
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Above average guys can get women like this from time to time
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:37 AM
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Personally not an old lady chaser, I could take one if she's pretty good at sex tho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:24 AM
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At the end of the day men are valued for what they contribute to society or what they represent. One may have personal perceptions and value systems that work as fulfillment, that doesn't affect tangible reality unfortunately. A gay man represents a better society by the public interest, hence why he automatically posseses status and respect. Also why the average straight man doesn't. I agree that a vast amount of men commit this mistake of overvaluing sex tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:23 AM
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The majority maybe, still, those who I mentioned previously exist and remain a remarkable portion of the male population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:18 AM
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It's not a fight about shortcuts, it's a fight about change. Happened to the hunter gatherer tribes battling civilization and agricultures. 1984, Brave New World and even recent movies like Blade Runner or The Joker serve as premonition of how society will be for sexless and dateless men. Change is the only thing assured in human existence, it may be unfair or cruel for most but that's the way it is. About Paulina Porizkova she's just a former HVW who didn't play for her cards correctly. A great…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:15 AM
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The average men isn't powerful enough to do so, even collectively with the rise of automation right at the corner
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:05 AM
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Okay. How are they supposed to get men then? Cuz most men don't dig getting married before sex. Going a normal date, maybe asking out someone? Do you wanna be married to a 40 year old mom who is no fun? You gotta stay relevant Marriage ain't my cup of tea, sugar tits. I like sex with young escorts tho. Women who don't do this behavior get left for younger women who do. That's how it works Please, don't touch thinking about it or this conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:42 AM
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Engaging in public pornography isn't "trad", a women selling her body publicly neither. Deal with it dude, you're too old for this behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:33 AM
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A good amount of working class men do engage in prostitution, is not ideal but that's the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:31 AM
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Most men in the US use iOS instead of Android, does that mean Android isn't used?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:22 AM
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Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Thailand and the Philippines have a thriving escort industry...you live in another dimension so it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:18 AM
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Prostitution is very common since recorded history...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:15 AM
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Traditional wives don't "sell" themselves publicly tho, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:11 AM
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OF chicks aren't traditional wives, that's a contradiction of terms
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:04 AM
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Radfem detected Hope you like this song tho: https://youtu.be/UDApZhXTpH8
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:55 AM
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Best comment in the entire post ngl I'd give you gold but Reddit trophies are a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:39 AM
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Hot + poor > average
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:28 AM
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Is gold digging a form of prostitution tho? I think partially yes, partially not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:24 AM
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I'm a young working-class guy, so that doesn't describe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:19 AM
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You can say that again. A somewhat good looking girl can get thousands of followers from it, often rich and attractive dudes. If you're not handsome or somekind of influencer or athlete you're screwed as a zoomer, not becoming a 30+ year old virgin was essential for me a couple of years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:17 AM
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Don't worry 'bout it...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:13 AM
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According to Pew Research if a man is still a virgin around 26-28 he'll most likely stay like that unless he pays for it. Plus there are plenty of countries where prostitution is legal and I don’t think there’s much if any difference Many men on those countries still remain active in the dating scene, or at least don't end up becoming involuntary celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:12 AM
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I'm a objectivist, a business transaction is a transaction. Not into becoming the personal clown of some average chicks, just not my cup of tea dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:04 AM
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Seems like glorying BB to me bro, women would have a long-lasting friendship with a funny chubby guy, yet they won't fuck him. That's reserved for the 6ft rich guy at a random party.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:00 AM
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Many women today have adopted this idea that they need to be paid to be in relationships. Maybe prositution contributed to the moral decline we see in women today, who knows. I even hear guys now talking about seeing hookers. Which is something that would have been unheard of a few years ago. Prostitution has existed since the dawn of civilization, it's not really an aspect of decline. Even Rome and the Han dynasty had it on its best days. If you're below average or inexperienced guy, it's worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:51 AM
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You’re paying for sex. While I freely have fun with tons of folks and from that was able to make meaningful connections for free. It’s not the same game dude. By shitposting and making memes of your female friends? lol Like dude you need to see different methods to how people dates/hookup/get hitched. Like devolving to paying for intimacy is something I never thought would be taken until I came to this subreddit I'm fine where I'm at, PUA is a scam to empty the pockets of teenage kids and divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:44 AM
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I'm normal, got a supportive social circle, close friends, visit my elder parents every 2 weeks, in the workforce since I was 17. The personal isn't political, the sexual doesn't affect the other aspects of me as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:39 AM
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Never talked about dating or shitposting, that's you. I'm talking about the ladies of the night, not into clowning to get women's attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:32 AM
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I think you've mistaken my post. I wasn't talking about how much time men have to wait to lost their vCard or get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:30 AM
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Now you trolling dude, seems like you don't get non-paid sex either. So anyways, gotta get some fo that paid booty, bye!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:28 AM
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Appreciate you honesty, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:18 AM
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Whether what happens to them or not, it's undeniable that social media has given most women a plethora of options while reducing the desirability of average and below average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:16 AM
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I'm 22, so not yet and never desired fathering
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:15 AM
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I'm a 2000s kid so I guess I come from a different perspective. Most girls of my gen can easily find better suitors by posting pics on IG or outright profiting from it thanks to OF. Doing "the work" until 35 to get an average looking chick, or paying at 20 to get a beautiful girl for a couple hours...I guess I'm a objectivist Appreciate your perspective tho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:05 AM
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Many young american men go to Tijuana or other places in LatAm when they enter their 20s, prostitution in the US also happens thanks to OF and IG.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:57 AM
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HVM are less than 10% of the male population, average man are the majority and LVM are the bottom 20% It's mathematically impossible for all men to become HVM, duh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:56 AM
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Those escorts in Tijuana, Cancun and Sao Paolo could change your perspective...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:53 AM
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It's an honest business transaction, prostitution exists as a business model in almost every country around the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:51 AM
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You wouldn't understand if you aren't a LVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:49 AM
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Re-read the post, I clearly indicate non-paid sex, paid sex still counts as sex tho. I lost my v-card like that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:47 AM
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I think many men would bypass the social rejection part and get to pay for sex. Current society is totally libertarian in terms of female sexuality, hence why you have very young women profiting from OF.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:46 AM
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Pretty good points. I think it's a decent alternative for average men who are not successful in relationship of course, for below average men also.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:42 AM
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A vast amount of average men have to pay bills and get a job to keep themselves alive, many of us have a limited time to actively chase relationships (early teens - very early 20s)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:03 AM
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Bu..bu...but just take the redpill bro it'll turn you into a HVM!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:55 AM
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False expectations are the root of most suffering
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:33 AM
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LVM
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:24 AM
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Below average guy here, my best choice are escorts, haven't tried to date ever since. If you average or below average, you could give it a try. ​ The average man doesn't get the same attention that we did back in the 2000s or 80s, more and more women join the workforce each year. TRP can help you in certain things, PUA is obsolete since the late 00s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:20 AM
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It's actually 20, and yeah, it's a huge miss guys Although a good amount of guys from there go MGTOW or start paying for sex, no need trying something that you've failed since you were a teen
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:16 AM
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The goal of normie culture is to have Men pay as much as possible for mediocre women. It should be obvious that Men are not going to get sex in this culture, even if they marry. If you compare this with counter-cultures such as tradcon, BDSM, or punting, where sex is considered a right for Men, then it's obv that the problem (for Men) is cultural. Hence why prostitution works
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:13 AM
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Lady, you're 40 year old Las time you were relatable to kids was in 2002 lol Also no one uses "punters" anymore, we call them sexpats
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:11 AM
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You post your nudes bro, not that different from OF girls
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:08 AM
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Pol is literally as incel website lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:07 AM
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Joe Biden
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:57 AM
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Every man has agency. To build their bodies. To play football(recreationally at the very least). To improve their sexual skillset. The thing is it’s hard. Most men don’t train daily. Aren’t geared towards growth. Which is fine too. Lumping guilt on all men though, ignores the men who put in the work. And not all of those who try achieve success, it's cool to be the player but it's suck to be the fan
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:54 AM
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It already happened in Japan during the late 00s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:35 PM
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Inmigration will do it for now I think Guess that USA in 2050 will be disputed between white hispanics and the chinese
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:35 PM
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There are marxists almost all over the world, same with incels. Wonder how the interaction of those 2 groups would come, both want state-enforced distribution, but not of the same things
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 08:18 PM
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He made more men to open identify as incels. As with marxism, evilness starts as a little seed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:59 PM
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I'll adopt a poor kid as my son when I reach my mid 30s and go to live in a Brazilian or Argentinian beach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:46 PM
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Cof...cof...Elliot Rodger
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:44 PM
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THE MGTOW ROUTE- On some level removing themselves from women. Less so men will do this This happens more than people would like to acknowledge, men who weren't successful in dating as teens often quit in their 20s, men who weren't successful in their 20s quit in their 30s, etc. I find it as the best logical way, either that or find greener pastures.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:39 PM
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They found happiness in other aspects of life, others found love in other locations around the world, others well...had less fortunate circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:22 PM
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I think this is why ugly dudes have a better chance in their late teens in certain cases, the 20 year old girl who exclusively dates 6ft tall fitness guys used to have a crush on the slightly dude when she was 14
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:17 PM
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He doesn't need to look like a male model, but at least he must match a certain criteria. If you're average or below and you like sex, escorts are your best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:55 AM
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You look around 40, I must assume he's around 55 or so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:50 AM
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Redpill works but not for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:44 AM
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Most married people are out of the market, women are more likely to initiate divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:43 AM
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Totally fine, go where you valued
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 06:47 AM
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Hot: Ester Exposito Average: Pamela Anderson Unnattractive: Hillary Clinton
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 06:32 AM
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I'd give you gold, but Reddit trophies are a scam
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:45 AM
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Most men aren't HVM, that's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:38 AM
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It's tragic but it's the way the market works, hence why you don't even see average men being part of the conversation anymore...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:09 AM
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Knowing about TRP doesn't make you high value, if you apply it correctly then yeah,
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:04 AM
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Be a man of god or be a god amongst men, tough choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:46 AM
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A man who's above average in terms of wealth, status and often looks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:40 AM
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It may be true that women in FDS aren't high value but it's not like TRP claims that women are attracted to LVM either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:18 AM
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FDS promotes women to only chase after HVM while avoiding LVM, kinda what TRP promotes but from the female perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 11:59 PM
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TRP = Become a high value man FDS = Pursue high value men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 11:44 PM
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TRP states that men have to be or become high value to be sexually attractive, FDS states that women must pursue high value men while avoiding low value men Can't see the conflict of interests...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:58 PM
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TRP states that men have to be high value to be sexually attractive, FDS states that women must pursue high value men while avoiding low value men Can't see the conflict of interests...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:57 PM
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I guess you're more interested in the academic aspect rather than the practical aspect. I don't think it has much to do with PC but more with the natural progression of post-industrial societies. The same problems were seen in Japan back in the late 00s. You end with a population satisfied in material terms, but totally dissatisfied in psychological, biological and societal terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:44 PM
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Maybe back in 70s, social media changed it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:02 PM
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Agreed that TRP advice can be harmful specially if you're very young. Like, imagine being a 15 year old kid and you're getting deep into the manosphere because your first crush rejected you. TRP isn't for everyone and doesn't work everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 07:59 PM
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I agree that there's some good advice for men that the redpill offers. However, it's doesn't work for every man unfortunately, also most of it could've work better 10-15 years ago, hence why you see lots of Mgtow and Blackpill content popping off nowadays. It's not as effective as it once was
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 07:52 PM
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Find a professional, online advice is hardly accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 07:37 PM
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Well, TRP is many things. That's what a salesman would say TRP is not this whole new 22th century science, it's just your classic PUA advice and tactics repackaged to sell to this men's new generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 07:33 PM
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We've a good amount of 30/40 year old dudes here. I think the problem is essentializing TRP as the end of it all while not finding different advice. This turns in many men developing an incel-ish mentality. Like any advice you can find online it works for some, doesn't work for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 07:19 PM
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TRP is not a panacea for every man's issues, it's a set of tools and advices that work better for some and work less for others
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 07:11 PM
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Not gonna lie, there's some legit redpill advice for men out there that actually works. However, there's also a lot of bullshit that only benefits the individuals trying to empty the pockets of divorced men, unsuccessful men and young inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 06:40 PM
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Seek better options in other countries, the redpill is not the ultimate theory either, it has some approximations to it but that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 06:35 PM
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Dude, no offense but you creep the hell out of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:33 AM
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*water and food supply wars
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 11:04 PM
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If 30-39 year old women are less likely to be single even compared to 18-29 year old women then that somewhat debunks this redpill idea that the wall starts at 30+
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:43 PM
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The richest, best looking men with the most status will have a monopoly on sexual access. Great if you're part of the top 20%, brutal if you're part of the bottom 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:36 PM
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30-39 year old women are also the least likely to be single, something isn't right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:33 PM
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40+ year old women don't have any interests in marrying or re-marrying, most of them already gave birth to all the children they were capable doing so. "Much older" isn't the right term, most marriages in developed countries are around 1-3 years apart, in most developing countries marriages are 3-6 years apart. So women prefer men slightly more mature than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:28 PM
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Many men also die during teenhood and youth thanks to violence, suicide, depression, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:25 PM
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Most men struggle getting casual hookups, it's only reserved for the top 30-20%
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:20 PM
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Average men don't get many STRs at 40+, they mostly hire escort services. Above average men have that chance
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 10:17 PM
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You have the dollar, enough to exercise better options around the world Unless you're completely unnattractive I see this is as a good alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 07:46 PM
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Brutal but true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 07:41 PM
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Take a look at most conversations surrounding high value men and women on here, notice that average and below average men don't even belong to the conversation lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 07:40 PM
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The US is a great place to make money but a bad place to spend it. There's this whole "men with passports" segment on the manosphere, mostly american men finding better dating prospects in other countries, it may interest you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:28 PM
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Hence why it's missapplied. It's a late bloomer simply a person who chooses to date later in life or it's someone who becomes more attractive as time goes by.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:08 PM
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Sometimes happens, being liked as a friend or acquaintance doesn't translate to being romantically or sexually desirable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:53 PM
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Are late bloomers are thing? Seems like a missapplied term to me, late bloomers are often men who finally can have better options due to finally finding better locations among other things
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:52 PM
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They're possible for highly attractive people and people who don't use social media
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 04:20 PM
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Music has nothing to do with it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 04:19 PM
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RP is just like your high school freshman year, the grass may look greener, once you reach other levels to notice it's fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:30 AM
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Mostly it is. That's why it is marketed mainly to divorced men, unnattractive men, unsuccessful men, teenage boys and very young inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:09 AM
4

Success requires victory, victory requires winners, winners require losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:50 AM
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Yeah, not all men become high value desired men when we reach 35+, "high value" itself describes a deviation from the rule which is the average man
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:49 AM
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SOME Men peak later, a vast amount of men don't pick at all. Hence why these discussions are always about high value men and women, they literally exclude average and low value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:46 AM
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Right place, Right time= Right looks, right amount of money and right stature
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:45 AM
2

Most men who stay virgin at 26-28 will remain like that forever. 30+ male virgins aren't desirable, remember The 40 year-old Virgin movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:42 AM
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Interesting, sadly also there's statistical evidence that if a man is still virgin at 26-28 years old. He'd most likely stay like that unless he pays for it. Becoming mentally ill as a teen is also a huge disadvantage, there's no cure for things such as autism, dementia, psychopath and so on. Men are sexually unsuccessful because they're physically (too short or ugly) and also because they're poor
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:36 AM
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Hell, even average rich guys don't get that much. Zuckerberg married his college sweetheart, Bezos got caught simping for a 50 year old woman, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:54 PM
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I got a momma and an auntie if that counts
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:57 PM
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Exactly, attractive guys often pump and dump most girls and are only serious with the above average ones
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 12:57 AM
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Depends, if you've a good amount of cash and you're into escorting you can get the company of multiple beautiful ladies in a month, ain't for everyone of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 12:05 AM
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Women do struggle but differently and less compared to men. There's a bunch of guys attracted to you, so bad that they're too nerdy, chubby or unnattractive I kinda like this guy, but my friends date richer/more attractive guys
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 10:12 PM
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A man who gets laid every week or month with escorts isn't sexless, just romance-less or connection-less
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:38 PM
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Is a poor man damaging himself just because he accepts his unfavorable economical position?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:10 PM
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Those men I offer as examples are often seen as undesirable by most women, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:28 PM
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The main difference is that I don't complain about being unattractive, I fully accept as part of my identity. If I was short, I'd fully accept that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:25 PM
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A DILF started as a young hot guy, last time I was considered physically attractive I was a 12 year old kid. Prostitution is like politics, you pay for what you chose. Though the first one is much more pleaseant to observe than the last one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:16 PM
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Male gaze used to describe coercion that affected women in media and their portrayal back in the 20th century. Nowadays women are free to chose whether to profit with their bodies or not, whether they pander to a male audience or not it's irrelevant. Like in all transactions, it's a consumers choice and a business offer, supply and demand There's no evil patriarchal entity making these women doing that, the average woman has much more economical opportunities than the average man. The estimation…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:13 PM
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The male gaze is an outdated 2nd wave feminist concept. Nowadays women can freely profit from their looks and stop doing so if they want to, they have all the means thanks to social media, OF, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:02 PM
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Self-improvement is a young man's game, I'm getting older. I guess escorts will do the job for me, today's dating scene it's something I'd rather avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:58 PM
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Many men die during their youth due to violence, suicide, deppression, etc. Those who don't are stuck earning what they need to feed themselves. Poor, unnattractive and short men are usually considered not desirable even by attainable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:56 PM
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I think you're getting the wrong message, I guess the point I was trying to make is that attraction isn't negotiable, same with success and wealth among other things. Most men don't delude themselves thinkin' that they're someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:41 PM
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It's actually 1-3 years on average. If you're a 19-21 year old guy you're statistically more likely to date an 18 year old girl compared to a 30+ year old guy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:34 PM
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Men acknowledging they're poor and unnattractive doesn't make us more attractive, it's just an exercise in self-recognition and honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:31 PM
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I'm an unatractive dude and I don't complain, I just with live with it while recognizing I can do little to nothing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:16 PM
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I guess its because the different standards most men and women grow up with. By the time we reach our teenhood, men are totally aware of our place not only in dating but also in society. Most poor men won't ever deny they're poor, same with most unnattractive and short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:15 PM
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Dating in your 20s: More free time More social opportunities (gatherings, parties, etc) Biological peak of your life Little money and resources (unless your parents are rich) Some still struggle with social skills, fashion, attractiveness, acne, etc Social alienation if you wanna get an escort Often unnattractive to a good amount of women (mostly based on looks) Difficult possibilities to explore your options in other locations Dating in your 30s: ​ Much less free time (bills to pay, schedules t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:53 PM
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Lost my v-card to an escort when I was 20
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:39 PM
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Agreed Most men are aware of their options since a very early age, a poor 30 year old man won't starting banging hot chicks in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:38 PM
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Kevin Samuels and Rollo Tomassi
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:32 PM
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Agreed, there's also guys who do get laid but only thanks to escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:22 PM
1

What's the thing that invalidates the entire paper according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:21 PM
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MGTOWs are wide spectrum. We got the bachelors who mostly don't date but still pump and dump, also the ones who have moved on completely and focus on friends, family and hobbies. Blackpill is somehow replacing TRP for the new generations, Sandman made a video about it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:20 PM
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I'd love to but can't edit the title
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:09 PM
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Madam, majority of people aren't familiar with academic research. Which is fine, sorry if you misinterpreted that question. You also kept the referring to a concept map as a photo or picture
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:08 PM
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Nope. I said "are you familiar with research?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:02 PM
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Never insulted you, madam. I just mistook you for a gay man during our initial interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 10:00 PM
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Yet I linked to you the paper 2 times already...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:48 PM
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That's doesn't affect the validity of the academic paper, madam.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:35 PM
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It's directly linked and available on the paper. Here, I linked it again: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297766970\_Privileges\_and\_problems\_of\_female\_sex\_tourism\_Exploring\_intersections\_of\_culture\_commodification\_and\_consumption\_of\_foreign\_romance
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:28 PM
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It's not my own argument, it's the argument that most incels use. So do you agree that less than 20% of men get consistent sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:22 PM
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I'm 6'1'' and I go to escorts since I was 19, most of my shorter friends even struggle with it lol. This one dude has a loyal girlfriend, they're both not that attractive tho
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:20 PM
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It's a "photo" directly linked to the research's paper on researchgate.net. This is middle school level of understanding, madam...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:17 PM
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Didn't you read the post's title and its main premise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:13 PM
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Yes, the post focuses on female sex tourism though. It's curious that you refer to a conceptual map as a "photo"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:10 PM
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That's only a conceptual map, here's the entire paper. Are you familiar with research? https://www.researchgate.net/figure/World-map-of-countries-involved-in-sex-tourism\_fig1\_297766970
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:54 PM
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They can tell from 5'6 to 6', that's enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:49 PM
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If you're bi that means your chances of being to someone doubles, so it counts but it's a different circumstance compared to a heterosexual dude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:48 PM
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Interesting but I think your experience as a bisexual dude differs considerably from the examples of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:42 PM
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Scientific research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brent-Smith-4/publication/297766970/figure/fig1/AS:368346693423104@1464832103477/World-map-of-countries-involved-in-sex-tourism.png
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:41 PM
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Brazil and the Caribbean are one of 6 places where female sex tourism is present. You don't see this happening in China or India.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:39 PM
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So, as a gay dude why do you think those kind of men do attract women internationally?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:35 PM
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Are you bi? Why female sex tourism is a common phenomenon in those places?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:33 PM
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Some men play the game for far longer, other men decide it's time to log off and disconnect the plug.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:58 PM
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An ugly dude not really, maybe an average looking dude and above. It's almost 2022, more women join the workforce every year.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:40 PM
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Redpill isn't as popular as it was 5-7 years ago, it's been gradually replaced by MGTOW/Blackpill ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 06:58 PM
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Most men are in the bottom 80%, most women desire exclusively the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 06:56 PM
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I wasn't referring exclusively to e-dating. Most average guys aren't kicking it that much anymore in real-life spaces like social gatherings or coffee shops, like you said a vast amount of them remain as orbiters. Ugly guys have it hard, considering that the sexless rate went from 28% to almost 35% due to the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 06:43 PM
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Boys raised by single parents are either highly extroverted well-liked sociable guys or highly introverted 4chan posting autistic guys. Being raised by a two-parent household doesn't always translate to success in dating, look at Elliot Rodger or Alek Minassian. Both of them raised in a middle class two parent household.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 06:33 PM
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Agreed for the most part I just disagree with this notion that becoming HMV is something achievable for most men. It may sound harsh but the sexual market it's like a sport league: Tons of fans, tons of players but few winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 04:38 AM
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You're still using bogus RP notions of status thinking that famous criminals are low value Never said that, in purely SMV terms they were high value. Consider epstein, by RP notion, he'd be HVM, but once you extend such naive system to multiple dimension of value - which is best measured in square feet of rent-free space occupied. Now try again the same with R Kelly. Yet they're both diddlers, the worst kind of criminals. And filthy rich. What they did was immoral but morality aside, they could …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 04:32 AM
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That's hollywood for you. Just project the ideas from the book back into the real world. A 5'6 chubby dude won't suddenly become the next Patrick Bateman by maximizing LMS lol. Do you think Patrick got to the point where he was by actually, gasp, working hard? So I think we agree, hardwork is just a factor that doesn't really equate to success. Elaborate? Remember that mass markets hate non-comformist outliers. The crowned "winners" stay chiefly within status quo. There are exceptions who rise u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 04:21 AM
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I think if we look at high status men such as athletes, youtubers, musicians, etc, controlling for wealth and looks they will have more attractive wives and girlfriends. Similarly with the wealthy, if we control for looks and status they will have more attractive wives and girlfriends. High status and wealthy men are a deviation from the rule which is the average man. I agree that some men can and do improve their SMV thanks to wealth and status. But still, they're fewer compared to most men. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 04:01 AM
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What was so feminine about Florence Nightingale, and why would femininity alone add to a physically attractive woman's value? The vast majority of men are attracted to beautiful and feminine women, that's no surprise. They're usually well-liked by the women that they know/meet through social circles or in common areas. Well-liked as friends and acquaintances, not as romantic or sexual partners. The average guys you refer to are most likely above average men on the 6-7/10 range in terms of looks …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:55 AM
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Not all (the bottom 20% tier trolls are definitely out), but it's not entirely delusional if they can go full Patrick Bateman with career & aesthetics. Very few men have the looks and height of Patrick Bateman, much less his wealth or status.Of course the common RP mentality is keep grinding and improving, but it's a game with a ton of players and few winners. The term HVM is misapplied itself, "high value" describes a deviation from the rule which is the average man. This bizzaro phrasing is wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:43 AM
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High L women are seen as both sex objects and keepers by men, and we don't care about high M and S That's true for men's wants but sadly, the vast majority of men date and marry according to their looks, wealth and status ranges. If you look like Alvaro Rico you'll probably attract women like Ester Exposito If you look like Al Bundy you're probably around women like Peggy Bundy Some men do maximize status and money, but fewer compared to those who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 03:06 AM
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I agree that there's some nuance to it. RPers tend to believe that all men can become HVM and start banging IG models by the time we reach 35. Incels think that only 20% of the male population has access to free sex, while most men are incel or incel-ish. Of course, an average looking guy with better finances and social skills has more chances in dating compared to an average looking poor guy who suffers from a mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 02:51 AM
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And? Does that mean it's less desired by people, or less important? I'm sure some people would like to think so. It's just harder to quantify, that's all. If they could combine both men into one man, that would be ideal, but the men that women choose for protection, provision and mating often lack the emotional connection/openness that women (claim to) want as well. If men could combine the looks of Ester Exposito with the feminity of Florence Nightingale, I'm sure we would. Men who do provide t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 02:45 AM
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Connection is a much less tangible factor compared to looks and sexual attractiveness. A gay man does bring a special connection to his female friends, but not in the same way an straight man does to his partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 02:01 AM
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Media representation or not, things such as height determine a man's dating pool 99% of women would date a man who's 6ft tall. Only 38% of women would date a man who's 5'7ft tall Almost no woman would date a man who's 4'11ft tall
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:50 AM
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It's the old adage of the rich girl fucking the poor yet hot working class guy, but not marrying him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:44 AM
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Looks, Money and Status
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:26 AM
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Female sex tourism in Brazil and the Caribbean, google it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:25 AM
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Society runs because of beta males. They're the minimum wage workers, teachers, steelworkers, carpenteers, miners, even doctors, etc. Unfortunately, they're invisible to most women's eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:28 AM
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A great amount of men only have sex and even loose their virginity thanks to escorts, if prostitution was completely abolished worldwide you'll have a lot of virgin men (more than now) This idea than an average looking guy can go to a bar every weekend and get laid with a different woman is just nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 06:33 PM
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Love is young man's game
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:06 AM
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Escorts are not romantic partners, businessmen are not heroes A business deal is a deal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:57 AM
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It happens in every post-industrial society dude. Many women prefer to stay alone rather than having to settle for a dude who belong to the bottom 80% Korean, Chinese and Japanese dudes have to go to Southeast Asia and Latin America to get gf/wife too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:39 AM
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Many dudes look decent, already got their finances and education yet they can't pass that looks threshold that women require. It just is what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:06 AM
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Some sugardaddies tend to buy their exclusivity for a period of time. Now with OnlyFans most sugarbabies only do it when that online money is getting dry
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:02 AM
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Onlyfans girls don't like to give birth to children unless they're too old (35+) Sugarbabies are just exclusive sexual workers for the man with the biggest wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:43 PM
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Fellow Zoomer here. I agree that young men should explore their options as much as possible. However the sexual market is global nowadays and as a foreign guy (specially american/western guy) you have to deal with such as the competition of other foreign men who already live in the country you're planning to go/move, competition and sometimes hostility from local men and of course little to no connection to the community/people living in there. Hispanic men tend to have it easier due to already …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:00 PM
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It's cool to be the player but it sucks to be the fan. Majority of men have to wage slave until retiring around 55-65 just to get their minimal needs met, this leaves basically to no time to pursue love and friendships. Men who have good finances do pursue love, but it's not the same as they did back in their teens for obvious reasons There're also women who outright stop pursuing relationships as you mention it. Education, economics & personal projects become the main priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:47 PM
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This mostly happens to teens. Once people reach their 20s and above this careless free love is less likely to happen. There are bills to pay, schedules to meet, classes and meetings to attend among other things. Unless a man is high-middle class economically he doesn't have the time to chase after women, he has to feed himself after all, love is a young man's game for the most part
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:25 PM
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