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Male solidarity in general is much less than female solidarity. We're more likely to see each other as competitors and so yes we will assent towards misandrist stereotypes (and stereotypes are often based on at least a kernel truth) if we perceive they're targeted at a specific group of men who isn't us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:51 AM
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The type of guys who can "succeed" as passport bros are already in the 60th to 80th percentile domestically. What they're looking for is to expedite the dating and marriage process. They could still find a wife at home but can't be bothered. The NEETs and incels of the world should not anticipate being any good at the passport bro game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:10 PM
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I'm not red-pilled. I just call it like I see it. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270121180_A_Longitudinal_Analysis_of_Romantic_Relationship_Formation_The_Effect_of_Prosocial_Behavior Disagreeability is a positive predictor of entering a relationship. The other positively correlated traits are largely blue pill/"beta" traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:26 AM
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I agree. Autistic men should lean into their autism. Some traits are attractive such as disagreeability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:09 AM
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Yeah Gen Z seems to be regressing in a lot of ways. It's unfortunate. Human civilization may have already peaked, at least for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 08:12 PM
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Right. I am 32 and the sort of women 22-25 I would be attracted to I assume can just get everything I have in a guy their own age. I can't compete unless we meet in person and they think I'm younger than I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:21 PM
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Oh I agree. Way too fine a line to aim for. Even among young guys not using roids there's been a spike in eating disorders. Social media is such trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:02 PM
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Seems like the male equivalent of "makeup free look" for makeup is to look natural while still being a roid lord.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:55 PM
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Absolutely. Women prefer masculine faces with some level of femininity. I am already very boyish/neotenous looking so I have to have low body fat to provide some sharpness for my face. This works well for my body too since I get those creases between hips/abs fairly easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:48 PM
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Small jawed men especially need to have low body fat or their jaw looks recessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:42 PM
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Similarly, the less pressured I feel to do the whole performative masculinity thing . . . the more motivated I feel to do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:00 PM
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I am 32 and have all of these, minus the nose, and I have a large forehead, full lips and small ears. Most interest these days is coming from the 22-25 crowd . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:32 AM
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Recommendations for further reading? I know of the chivalric romances, courtly love, Romanticism/Gothic art and literature, the Pre-Raphaelites, etc. Is there a parallel in the two major Eastern cultural spheres?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:18 AM
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Demonstrate that your niceness comes from a place of strength rather than appeasement. There was an interesting discussion on r/AskHistorians recently where it was succinctly put that by forgiving his enemies, Julia Caesar made it seem like they were beneath him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 05:05 PM
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I agree for a different reason. Most men are not capable of innovation. Stop taking credit when you ostracize nerds in every other corner of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 12:51 AM
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Well, I have to do my best to get out there! And yes I both had a deep voice early on and my face looks very similar now to how it did as a child. This has definitely gotten it's fair share of laughter when I play into it over the years!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:04 PM
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I'm a man with clown shoes and short/fat fingers, haha. My hands are short but kind of wide? As for the rest, I certainly have little body hair naturally and shave everything regularly too. Where exactly do I meet you all . . . The funny part is my voice has always been deep (as a 5-8 year old) and contradicts the rest of my appearance, really shocks people, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 05:37 PM
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What about guys with hands the size of the average woman's and feet as big as the average man half a foot taller than him?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:51 PM
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Is this a Brave New World fanfic? You realize that work was meant to be a warning, not a fantasy . . . right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 09:52 PM
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Intriguing. I am a guy and while in school I had crushes on girls in the same grade, but typically 1-2 years older. Outside of school, the same, but "older" often meaning more like 5-10 years older. Each year matters a whole lot less past perhaps 21 or so, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:44 PM
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Considering just behavioral cues from photos, etc. to greatly simplify this. These pics are from 2020, will have to update soon. Beautiful: https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article22036354.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Harry-Potter-stars-Jude-Law-and-Katherine-Waterston-Coronavirus-charity-work.jpg Kind and loving disposition and actions, feminine power, the high queen. On the other hand: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/07/17/32883700-0-image-a-124_1599496132755.jpg Objectively a nice photo …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 04:21 AM
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Unfathomably science pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 06:21 PM
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When I wore a younger man's clothes (32 puts me at a decade past typical Redditor, haha), the limited success I had with older women was when I was nearly worshipful of them. It was actually wonderful because my natural tendency is to "simp" rather than be unavailable/know how to play hot/cold games. I would get a lot of "you make me feel beautiful" more than comments on my own attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:37 PM
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Would love to hear more details, what do you like about them? Ambition/not jaded yet, looks, views on gender, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:13 PM
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Yeah 65% of men have significant hair loss by 35 and it's pretty strictly genetic, nothing to do with lifestyle. With that said, a lot of men my age (32) are past the point of trying to take care of themselves. Really hate to see it, but it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:22 PM
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One of top 10-20 comments/posts in this subreddit over the past 4-5 years of my being in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:48 PM
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I broadly agree that perceived differences in logic are often differences in assumptions or priorities for optimization. It's why a lot of the current jargon "listen to the experts" I find myself responding to with "well, which experts?".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:17 PM
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Same. I also have no issue with peeing sitting (in fact I am doing so right now!).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:53 AM
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This checks out. As an autistic male, I always preferred older women. And now that I am "older" myself the 35+ crowd gives me a lot of attention and so does the 22-28 crowd but not really women my age (32).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:18 AM
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I think there's a lot of truth here, but changing your looks can also be difficult-realistically it takes a year and $10,000 to upgrade your looks. With that said, the sort of guy asking "does looks or personality matter more"? is really looking for a formula/recipe to follow quite often. This guy should really focus on looks because it is just following a formula provided you have the time/resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:50 AM
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Male friend groups are both racially and socioeconomically more diverse than female friend groups. I've linked one paper from the literature but there are others as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5053833/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 03:30 AM
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Weight gain hurts male attractiveness (both face and body) more than female attractiveness. I kind of tend to see this as a challenge to overcome though. You should want to keep fit for your wife, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 05:20 PM
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Same. I have gotten to a point where I am getting paid $100,000+ a year to do what I love with entrepreneurial projects on the side while trying to also upgrade some of my hobbies into secondary careers. At this point, I think it would be a disservice to myself/the woman/society at large to marry unless she is the love of my life. Kind of sad about it, but mostly at peace with it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:07 PM
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Only started dating when she was 38? When did they marry and have the kids? Dude must be a deadeye shooter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:28 PM
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Seems like a situation where horseshoe theory could be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:50 AM
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I agree. If anything having an exciting life can leave a guy with no time for dating unless he has massive overlap in interests and hobbies with the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:59 PM
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People connect through online gambling? I thought that stopped being a thing once ESPN required Facebook for comments. Used to have gamblers in full meltdown mode on every NBA game before then. EDIT: Total misread, leaving this up for the LOLs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:33 PM
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Might have been the particular social circles I ran in/general American vs. European views on masculinity. But yeah most of it was just in jest or insults. No one was going really deep into RP theory like guys on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:55 PM
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Yeah alpha/beta have been used in the mainstream vocab for 15-20 years? The rest of these are online only for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 10:38 AM
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It's a matter of degree. Is the fat in her cheeks or under her jaw? Anyways, I personally don't typically have visceral reactions to faces, facial attractiveness to me is determined by personality. And for a lot of women, they don't really care about facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:43 AM
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I can still find overweight women attractive if it's well distributed, but that is based on genetics. If you don't have those genes, then you may want to consider not being fat, but some men will still go for you. Men also tend to care about face a lot less than women. There's a lot more to it than JDBF, though. Guys here really understand a woman's job and education in dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:35 AM
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It's a sign that what we find attractive is by and large determined from a young age and fairly immutable between genetics, the uterine hormonal bath, and early childhood development. Unattractive people don't necessarily find other unattractive people to be desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:36 AM
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I think prior to OLD yes the guy who could actually approach could beat slightly-moderately more attractive guys who just didn't have the lack of inhibition needed to approach. With OLD it takes zero confidence to swipe or send a message so now it's mostly just about looks. I still think there's some market though for guys who are actually willing to approach and laugh off any attempts at inducing neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 08:03 PM
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Hot take: there are much fewer popular people than 1950-2000. Mainstream pop culture is now just another subculture onto itself. The use of the Internet in youth culture allows for an earlier "finding others like myself" (which I actually think isn't such a good idea but that's a rant for another time) which results in an earlier balkanization of the social landscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 07:01 PM
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With high school in particular there be a runaway effect of "they are popular because . . . they are popular." Small differences in original perception by others can lead to massive differences in outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:55 PM
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The main issue is that not all markets are free and or efficient. Someone could be all of those things but if stuck in a shed in Wyoming, there can be no acknowledgement of it by another person. I largely agree that many of these qualities are defined by popular vote. There is the wisdom of crowds. However, some of the greatest people decided they just didn't care about being likable and these people change the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:44 PM
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Most men and most women in the US do not care of themselves. Poor diet, sleep, exercise, alcohol, and water habits. So just how applicable is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 01:21 PM
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This is where autistic men need to lean into their neotenous appearance to appear non-threatening. I also have made a habit of speaking to women with a slightly higher pitched voice than what is typical for me (I have a very deep voice).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:52 AM
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Yes. I tend to have the maternal and tomboyish types drawn to me. They tend to stand up to my bullies and shame them. Note that this more often than not doesn't imply attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:46 AM
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Correct. In the US, people are dating within their socioeconomic group more than ever and it's even a small contributor to income inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:37 AM
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What do you think all of the various TV medical dramas were trying to represent?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:32 AM
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Part of the "lying" women do is that the truth is known, but they're trying to build social bonds when (for example) they tell each other they're beautiful when of course not all women are beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:14 PM
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While it is clear that height and face matter more than body, body still matters. Yes, any guy can become fit, but most lack the discipline to do so. The rates of being overweight and/or obese continue to climb. Thus, it's an area where it's easy to stand out as a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:50 PM
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Metabolism doesn't really drop off until your 60s, people's lifestyles change to be more sedentary in their 30s. I agree with the majority of your OP, if we are discussing IRL dating. I think there is something to be said though for the strategy of the guy trying really hard to get a woman and then giving up once they're in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 01:03 AM
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I dunno. Even when I was 8 I knew that being one of the disabled kids, very few girls/women would be attracted to me and it would be best to start then cultivating my inner life, etc. This was in 2000 and my family didn't interact much with others. My only real media influences were TV and newspaper and I didn't really know anyone outside of home and school and I was still able to read between the lines about the unattractiveness of disabled men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 04:05 AM
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Having an above average body as a guy only gets you +1-2/10, women care about face and height much more than men do in women. A fit woman unless she is facially deformed starts at 7/10. With that said, I think guys should go ahead and get fit because it's easier than ever to be above average in fitness with current obesity rates. I also would say that while almost all men can grow facial hair, maybe only 20% grow facial hair that looks good. The rest need to go for the smooth look. Myself aged 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:48 AM
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Wasn't it already shown that female primary teachers mark the same assignment higher if a girl's name is at the top? Anyone got that paper?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:18 AM
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Where do you get your diamonds?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:42 AM
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I would insist that for a certain amount of time, OLD was useful for bringing oddball men and women together. But yes that time has passed alongside the mainstreaming of the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:00 PM
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From age 15 up until recently I would've preferred to have had a slightly older girlfriend who would coach me. I am on the tail end of the male distribution in one way, so I assume that yes there are many guys who would like to be the coach for their younger girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:08 PM
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I am 5'8". I've had women tell me height is great for the rogue archetype (as opposed to warrior or mage), the underdog, a boyish look, etc. I've also been told my lean physique is a plus (mainly play basketball and golf, never did much weightlifting or American football). There's something safer and less intimidating about a less muscular man. There's a market for youthful looking men but it's still towards the lower end of average as opposed to the left tail. Those K-Pop guys aren't 5'4" and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:21 AM
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$100,000 a year for a single male is typically only around the 90th percentile in most metropolitan areas. Realistically, if you're going for the "flash cash" strategy, you probably need a net worth of about $10M, seeing as more and more women have their own money. Of course, I don't see how this would be validating at all . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:24 AM
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Isn't this just another example of the male variability hypothesis? Men and women have roughly the same average BMI, but men are pushed to the upper and lower extremes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:28 PM
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Yeah if a 35 year old woman is fit, that's a great indicator she will continue to be into old age while at 25, being slim doesn't tell you much about the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:38 AM
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Anyone who dumps on the wives of Bezos, Gates, or Zuckerberg needs a reality check. What a disaster . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:36 AM
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Yes, it seems like it remains an option to reach these women through online social spaces which aren't OLD. I've actually been thinking of spending more time on some of the arts subreddits for this purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:06 PM
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The main issue is that while these women used to be reachable through online dating when it was just oddball men and oddball women, they no longer are with everyone using OLD. They go to work, do errands, and then go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:16 AM
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It's a Fisherian runaway. There is a coupled selection of tall genes in men and "prefers tall men" in women. Sexual selection need not produce offspring that are actually more fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:34 PM
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People of similar sociosexuality end up together. Promiscuity correlates with extroversion. The promiscuous woman in her 30s ends up a man in his 30s who is also promiscuous. He's not necessarily an alpha, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 12:44 AM
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I largely agree and will add-It's the introverted 0-2 n-count women who just go home after work and errands who are most at risk of dying alone. They are entirely reliant on online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 12:40 AM
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What you are saying is true. The issue is however that as a male, if I were to do the same, there wouldn't be as big of a return. For example, I do spend more time than most males to groom my body hair, but women's opinions here vary a lot and "smooth", "trimmed", and "natural" all have their fans while for women the beauty standards are more homogeneous-men prefer hairless women. So in effect I can spend equal time but it just ends up being something I do more for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:26 PM
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The innate state of humanity is violence, inequality, etc. However, I would insist that much of human progress happened precisely because people felt facts/rules mattered not just who you knew, that things should be fair even if they're not, etc. To be clear, these efforts often backfired or failed as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:55 PM
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This is likely just an example of our anecdotes differing. In my experience, going to play basketball is just a sausage fest, there will be no women except occasionally the sister or girlfriend of one of the dudes. It's not a communal experience except as an exception like the Barry Farm summer league. Soccer OTOH has a lot of activities planned around the game-people having picnics around the game, everyone arriving to the game after going to church, etc. There will be more women and families a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:19 AM
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That sucks. I am 5'8" and if I had a 5'10"-6'2"+ girlfriend I would consider every time she wore heels to be a win. I typically find when I filter for tall women, the response rate is much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:41 PM
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Do his shoulders still need to be as wide or wider than his hips? As a male hourglass haver, there's still some differences compared to women . . . my waist can't be smaller than 28 inches if I'm going to be healthy, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:29 AM
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I don't think so. Male are much more overt than women in their approaches. With that said, when a guy mistakenly thinks a woman is into him, we all laugh at him and call him delusional. However, like you, I have experienced situations when it was assumed I was flirting when I was being friendly, and I was the one "to blame" rather than the woman being called delusional, etc. as in the other case.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:33 PM
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I would be willing to do this for a woman, provided she was still engaged in some sort of work. Maybe she spends a lot of time volunteering or engages in some artistic endeavor which is unlikely to be profitable but is truly creative work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:09 PM
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This would also be my strategy as a guy who's open to bringing in all the money. Gimme that Starbucks barista who really wants to spend her time writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:24 AM
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Suppose you have an autistic boy and girl with the same innate talent for social skills. It's likely that the girl has been socialized better than the boy. Thus, the boy really isn't at her level even if they were at the same level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 10:25 PM
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This is one of the few black pills that absolutely kills me. I've related before that when I was in high school I would get called "gay" because I wanted to marry earlier (22-25) and have more than two kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 08:23 PM
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I think what you are seeing is that the top 10-20% of attractive people have become even more attractive even if average attractiveness (obesity, social skills, etc.) is falling overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:38 PM
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I think it's likely that extroversion/openness can play as large of a role as physical attractiveness in which women are chased. Charisma matters for women too. For female celebrities, there's sort of a cut off at being slightly above average but after that, a lot of it is vibe. There's a lot of women who just go to work/errands but are otherwise in their rooms all day. A lot of women in person also give away "go away" vibes even obvious to autists like myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:47 PM
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You were also interested in physics? That system makes a lot more sense than what the US has.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:42 PM
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Eh, the 11-18 crowd of girls can be really rough. I think it's likely that, as others have written, Reddit is more popular with the 18-25 crowd than younger or older. You will be using your skills from economics in teaching math? At my university, the enrollment was more restricted due to the level of math required compared with the business school courses. In fact, (would need to check) I think most of the classes aren't even in the business school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:47 PM
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I don't agree. The women are perhaps more bifurcated than the West or North but the average is the same. There's a lot of women who eat too much but there's also a lot who really focus on their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:56 AM
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Honestly? There's way more young tradcon women than men. Or at least non-hypocritical ones. The studies I've seen show religious affiliation has an effect on the sexual behavior of women, but not for men. A lot of your male peers in the pews are incompatible. I am 31 but look 25 but also am in a horrible emotional state right now. I'd suggest actually lowering your upper age limit to avoid really jaded guys like myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:10 AM
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Tradcon religious women still exist of their own volition. Honestly, Western tradcon women probably have the highest dating standards of any women, the religious standards are on top of secular ones. With that said, they are more ready to compromise since it's a small niche market and in some areas everyone knows everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 06:11 PM
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And most don't put in the work. In fact, it looks like Europe and South America are rapidly catching up in terms of obesity rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:09 AM
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Facial neoteny tends to be determined more by facial features than skin. Women generally have more neotenous features. With that said, vast majorities of both men and women age poorly. Women retain an advantage in dating into their 30s and 40s, the advantage is just not as lopsided as in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:07 AM
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I think this is basically correct. On average, women also favor youthfulness in male physical attraction. How women use physical attraction in terms of selection of relationships can be complex, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:05 AM
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Men have higher rates of consumption of tobacco, alcohol, and other recreational drugs than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:04 AM
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This reinforces my recent line of thinking. When I was 20-25 I didn't like how women 25-35 would little brother zone me because I felt it was based on untrue assumptions. Now that I'm 31, I need to not make the same mistake in the opposite direction. There's no reason women aged 22-28 can't relate to/have things in common with me or that we can't be in the same life stage. In fact as a recent PhD graduate, I might in fact be in the same life stage as a recent BA or MA graduate. Gotta make use of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:41 PM
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I made another comment about Shawn Mendes's "Treat You Better" earlier. He could very likely be telling the truth that he would treat her better, but ultimately it doesn't matter. Being a man well into his 20s, he should know this, and that makes the song very cringe. Both prosocial and antisocial behaviors can be implemented successfully as dating/sexual strategies. I think women in general prefer kind men over mean ones but this criteria is ranked more in the 11-20 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:42 AM
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Isn't how she treats you part of who she is?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:39 AM
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When I show my sister pictures of women I'm attracted to, she says, "looks like a model" and when I show the same pictures to a certain friend, "Joe, you have engineering goggles". How about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 09:00 PM
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Niceness is highly attractive in women, to men. Men who use niceness as a primary dating strategy assume the reverse is also true. The equivalent in women is women who assume their money and career is very attractive to men. To be clear, niceness in men and clout in women can be attractive, just not as universally to the extent of the flipped. (In fact, I love powerful yet benevolent career women)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 02:14 AM
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Bad facial hair? His just looks like pubes, he doesn't even bother to brush them so they're all frayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 04:46 AM
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Correct, in a truly unregulated sexual market, it's the law of the jungle and rape becomes an evolutionary strategy. As for men, something like 5% of all male deaths in prehistory were murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:29 AM
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Your avatar has a mustache and beard. I had a similar situation as the guy who you are describing last year. I was messaging a woman online and I would get so anxious about what I sent her that I didn't message her frequently enough. Now, my messages were typically detailed longer (traditional dating site and serious but not an app) but I could see where she thought I was low effort while to me I was spending all of this emotional energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:26 AM
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Yes but again autistic women are at a very elevated risk of being sexually assaulted. I, an autistic guy, and glad not to be an autistic woman. We also get positive stereotypes that they don't, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:20 AM
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Women who are college educated are more likely to be married. It's just part of the increasing inequality in our society, nothing to see here, move along.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:45 AM
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The upper class women might have a lot of disgust/inhibition over dating any one guy, but once they get married, they're much more likely to stay married.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:38 PM
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My grad school department was super insular and no one would ever want to go socialize. Sometimes, you could get people to play some basketball after work, but even that is pulling teeth. I ended up just hanging out with people I met at volunteering and various arts functions. Even church is hit or miss but it's better than chillin' with the very unchill STEM lords.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:36 PM
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I'd like to see some papers on who has more diverse friend groups. I'd bet men"s have much more diversity both in terms of race and socioeconomics. Now admittedly, part of this is that a lot of people I associate with without a college degree, I knew in high school or met through someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:16 PM
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I've largely lived in Wheaton, Kensington, and Silver Spring during my time(s) in Montgomery County, MD. I have no doubt he's getting filtered for not having a college degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:14 PM
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I agree and disagree. If you show a woman that she's the only one you're soft for (i.e. display dominance in front of her but not towards her) then you can get a lot of traction with this, it makes her think she's special.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:01 PM
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This was my (31M) experience as well on the other side. However, most of comments from peers were from . . . other guys. There were some girls who "reminded" me of my status but in more indirect ways like acting like I had committed a crime by sharing space with them. Guys were more blunt in terms of name calling or just coming up and trying to fight you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:41 AM
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I think an emerging issue is that if you get rejected, then you get a lot of that you should've known better than to ask to begin with. "Why did he even ask me out? Isn't it obvious that I'm not interested in him that way?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:34 AM
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I agree. A lot of the advice I give to other autistic men not just about romance but friendships is that if you want people to love you, then you need to be ready for people to hate you. Just because people are offended does not mean you've done anything morally wrong. I am trying to corner the market on K-Pop/J-Pop fangirla in their 20s/30s/40s and other women who are into boyish looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 09:07 PM
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I'll echo the other comments and say that Taylor Swift has gotten a lot of flak for this sort of song. An example of her male equivalent would be Shawn Mendes's "Treat You Better" . . . like yeah maybe you would treat her better bro, but that's not really how any of this works, it's much more complicated. He largely gets a pass for being conventionally attractive so it's seen as romantic rather than cringe (to be clear, it is cringe).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:17 PM
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The average person is both above average and below average in certain areas. I think if anything this polarization is what allows average men to find niches. Someone who is average in every aspect also can come across as fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:04 PM
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I think that's really great. If there's anything you can take away from PPD, it makes a lot of sense to meet your spouse at university, even if you didn't originally expect to get married so young. Opportunities later on become sparse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:20 PM
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I also skipped over the majority of the OP. I think it is very likely there's a group of women attracted to a specific image of an intelligent man (culturally sanctioned) rather than intelligent men themselves. But yeah no idea what OP really wrote about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:45 PM
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I'm not red pill but I both agree and disagree. I agree that every heterosexual woman has her preferences in men; however, some preferences are common that others. In OLD, it's entirely statistics driven and apparently 40-60% of women exclude from searches based on height but IRL my height has never been an issue and I even had interest from a woman who was 5'10" once, but I didn't date her because I was in a bad place in life at 21. I think men should try to synergize their personality and look…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:24 AM
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I'm in a similar camp. Conventionally attractive penis but odd face. I have no hair loss (31), am skinny fit and 5'8". However, body doesn't seem to count for much for guys and it won't be until 40+ that my good genetics for hair will really put me above other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:55 AM
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Your third paragraph is the key point. A guy is unlikely to get rejected for an unattractive penis if he has already passed elsewhere unless he's a severe outlier. I would give up a lot of points in my penile attractiveness and reallocate them to facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:37 AM
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Recently I went on a trip driving in between D.C. and eastern TN. I was going to get a bottle of Starry at one of the highway rest stops in western/SW Virginia but no diet version was available. Apparently this was done as a rebranding aimed at Zoomers? Was Sierra Mist really perceived as a drink for Boomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:33 AM
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You're engaged now to Mr. Philosopher? Congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:30 AM
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Mainly at school. Note that I spend all my life until 23 in one of the most liberal (D.C. suburbs, Montgomery County) areas of the US. There was this weird mixture of casual sexism/homophobia combined with avant garde social mores . . . people here typically don't get married until 30+ if they have graduate degrees like myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:18 PM
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Peers during high school and undergrad years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:14 PM
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I still can't believe the Sierra Mist branding wasn't kept. Starry, who?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:01 PM
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Up until I was 25 I knew without a doubt that I wanted to be a husband and a father to more than two children. I had so many people tell me this was unmasculine/gay/unattractive that I've just become jaded as I've gotten older. I'd still go for it if I got the chance, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:58 PM
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I shave my body even though in polls women prefer the trimmed look and find hairlessness less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 06:56 PM
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I saw a woman's profile once discussing how she is a true American patriot and wasn't vaxxed, etc. It was really just completely unappealing. Although I'm not sure she was a red pill woman so much as a Fox News junkie . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 06:54 PM
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My nose and ears aren't the problems I think they are . . . it's my eyebrows?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:19 PM
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Some level of genetic testing at birth could be beneficial for general medical purposes. It would be much more palatable to have paternity as one of hundreds of characteristics recorded.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:50 AM
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Hasn't it been shown that in some species (maybe lions) the bachelor males jump between groups until they find one where they are indeed perceived as high status?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:04 PM
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The McDonald's dollar menu . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 08:17 PM
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Best answer in this thread. Autism magnifies the pre-existing differences in each sex's dating life-danger for women and lack of success for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:38 AM
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You have to taylor your physical appearance to appeal to the caretaker niche. Smooth face, oversized shoes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:30 AM
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Socialization of boys and girls indeed affects the diagnosis of autism. Autistic women do much better socially and in education and employment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:27 AM
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A woman who feels the need to call herself a "boss babe" is not an alpha woman. A true alpha woman can command through simple suggestion or inspiration.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:21 PM
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For myself, the post PhD job interview process have been the opposite of my dating process. I've snubbed some big names in pursuit of getting the best combination of fit/research interests and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:05 AM
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I'm doing mostly OK now. I got my driver's license at 27 and then this past December I got my PhD (30 then, 31 this year). Learning to drive really opened up a lot of opportunities for me. STEM grad school being a sausage fest was an issue for dating and relationships but I now am a participant in a lot of gender balanced or woman dominated activities outside of work. I think having more walkable cities would be a boon to everyone, irregardless of their situation. Subsidizing the Internet as a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:53 PM
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It's an unfortunate truth that the disabled are more likely to be abused as children, and that no one cares about the plight of disabled men. Like you, once I began living on my own at 23, my life completely changed for the better. It is a shame this process did not begin when I was 18 but I was too afraid my family would try to hurt me if I left home and I had no support from my high school in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:33 PM
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Probably a 6 in looks (fit but unusual face) and an 8 in intelligence although all of this neglects emotional connection. Although, as a guy with a PhD, it would be a losing strategy to only be open to women with some level of graduate education.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:54 PM
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Side question since this was an interesting comment. Whenever I show my sister or this one friend a picture of a woman I'm interested in they tell me (respectively) "she looks like a model" or "dude you have engineer goggles"-what do you make of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:28 AM
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Second paragraph hits deep, I've often been like your friends. I see a quiet person and get curious about what's going on inside their head so I keep asking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:22 PM
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A lot of human common sense and quick heuristics are total BS, so feminine radar about which men are creeps being off isn't really that unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:37 AM
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I am also autistic. I could never do as large of an age gap as you're suggesting. Frankly at 31, I can't imagine there'd be many women under 25 I'd want to have a relationship with. However, autistic men are often facially neotenous. And so it's likely younger women are more attracted to them than women their own age. I noticed this myself during the past couple years. Go where you are wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:18 PM
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Probably bumps her up to a 7/10. Emotional connection still matters more than intellectual connection, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:14 PM
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I have been a member on and off of a dating site which makes extensive use of psychological profiling. Even among the crowd with whom I supposedly a 90-95% match with, the rejections are still largely based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:13 PM
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I don't think this is specific to sex and dating, though. A big reason I (and others) made an effort to complete grad school immediately after undergrad was the risk of getting used to the pay and working hours of industry. I just graduated with my PhD this past December. At the beginning of 2018 (5 years ago) in-between my MS and PhD I would've been more patient in dating women without degrees or who worked intermittently/worked crummy jobs. I would still consider such women on a case by case b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:05 PM
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It is a paradox. For myself, I relate much more to women's experience of being single-it is fine (albeit not ideal/what I envisioned) as long as I am pursuing work and hobbies of value to me and I maintain my social connections. On the other hand, I felt if I had a higher libido then I would actually be much more likely to get into a relationship because I would feel compelled to take more risks in pursuing women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:18 AM
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I was born disabled. Ever since I was eight, I knew that very few women would find me attractive. I assume it is the same for most other disabled men-we have the "advantage" of having more realistic expectations compared to our peers (although to be sure, some were coddled and told it wouldn't influence their dating life). With that said, there are still times where it is difficult to cope with singleness, even with a life full of friends, hobbies, a career, etc. It's a lifelong process.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 08:12 PM
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I just turned 31 and would still rather be with a 35 year old over 25 year old. Something I only realized recently was this is not just because of emotional and intellectual attraction but (assuming she keeps her waist slim and hair long) facial attractiveness as well. Older women have kinder faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:26 PM
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This is true. The inverse is also true-just because you feel bad, doesn't mean someone else has done something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:43 AM
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I think what happened was once FDS was put on pause, all of their users migrated to TwoX.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:39 PM
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I agree that it's a good line strategy to line up your personality with what people would assume anyways based on your phenotype. I am 5'8" and skinny fit and sometimes try to go for the "normative masculine but underdog" sort of character. I have a boyish face and I can bring out the nurturing/maternal types by complaining about being hungry, etc. Of course, subversion of expectations can also be a good strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 11:24 PM
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I truly feel I'm the only guy on this subreddit who hates women trying to make him "feel like a man" and would prefer that she lets me know that it's ok to "be a boy" when I'm with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:26 AM
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I agree that the age range for peak male SMV is likely earlier and much more similar to that of the peak female SMV than is commonly discussed here. However, this assumes that the person has no impediments towards pursuing maximizing their attractiveness. There's lots of us who don't have access to healthy food, well fitting clothes, etc. until we have our own money. The age of peak IQ is also much younger than most people think as well. It's just that so many people (especially in the US) do no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:39 PM
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Evolution has no overarching goal. And as science shows, a lot of human heuristics are often wrong in the direction of being overly conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:36 PM
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Pretty sure it's true and been documented in the literature. With that said, I just got back from volunteering at a food bank, and it was also mostly retirees. More generally though I've heard Millennials are more civic minded. Would like to see some crosstabs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:04 PM
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You do realize that most of us help others as an end to itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 09:57 PM
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I think it's a reference to a movie, but I don't remember which.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 08:26 PM
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I'm a walking stereotype of a guy with mommy issues with who goes for the maternal/nurturing types. I think this likely also influenced my relative lack of interest in women who look "too sexual".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 06:30 PM
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No, you're completely right. While the desirability gender gap is smaller at 40 than 20, it is still in favor of the woman. She can go on an app and immediately have offers for casual sex from men aged 20-30.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:58 PM
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I agree. AF and BB are often the same guy who just gets burn out/changes priorities/matures/gains weight from 20 to 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:43 PM
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I agree. You need to accept people will hate you as an autistic man if you also want people to love you. You'll be divisive for sure. There's a great quote (which applies here) on how if people hate you, then good, because it means you actually stood for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:32 PM
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Tutoring and mentoring have been great volunteer activities for me. You don't reach as many kids as being a full time teacher or w/e but you also get to do only the cool parts of those sorts of jobs and none of the administrative stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:27 AM
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That's good. I do notice that a lot of footballers not much older (35-45) than me (30) look completely awful even compared to a decade ago. Maybe that's changing with the younger guys, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:04 PM
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The UK has a horrendous drinking culture. Average men and women alike age poorly. In terms of celebrities, UK women are more in line with my preferred aesthetic than US women but they are outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:07 PM
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Sure, but as an absolute number the number of men in college could be rising because more Americans aged 18-24 are going to college than ever. In the 1950s, only like 5-10% of Americans even went to college and the gender ratio then was flipped from what it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:05 PM
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I agree but even with traditional online dating sites (I assume you mean things like eHarmony) they are becoming increasingly like dating apps in terms of removing functions and the ability to customize your profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:49 PM
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Is it true that less men are going to college? A lower proportion of college students are men than ever, but up until recently the proportion of Americans aged 18-24 in college continued to steadily increase since the early 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 01:44 PM
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Maybe you're right, and things will be better sooner than I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:33 PM
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What is a broad smile? You just very wide lips, or . . . ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:57 AM
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I prefer the maternal types so I like women who look down on me a little but still care a lot about me. I think more guys should pursue this sort of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:24 PM
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This actually has now become super relevant to me. I turned 30 earlier this year, just got my PhD over a week ago, and I am definitely feeling the clock ticking myself. I always been emotionally, intellectually, and even physically attracted to women slightly older to me and I also want to have four kids. I am open to getting married 18-24 months after meeting but in a couple years I will really need to reassess this. Be more open to dating younger? Maybe have two kids of my own, adopt two kids?…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:43 PM
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Another day, another Reddit poster understands absolutely nothing of what Adam Smith actually wrote vs. what they think he wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:15 AM
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I am a weirdo who finds a wide variety of female faces attractive, albeit my body preferences tend to run more conventional. I think as long as a woman keeps her hair long (grey is fine) and her waist slim, then she retains her attractiveness. There is something comforting that puts me at ease, in the wrinkles, etc. It's just different and not worse than how a younger woman looks. However, I am autistic, and in general have really blunted visceral reactions to faces. I wouldn't take what I say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 03:47 PM
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I don't think they are, no. They are largely average women trying to play into cultural messaging to their advantage (which we all do). I seriously doubt a girl boss would find a submissive man who wanted to serve her very attractive. Guys who are into dominant women should look more into tomboys, book nerds, maternal types, etc. than business executives, lawyers, and clout chasers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 06:29 PM
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Yeah the "girl boss" is probably looking for the narrow slice of guys more dominant than her to do the power couple thing. I agree that this is something that is largely hardwired, just like other aspects of personality and sociosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 06:20 PM
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I think that shows how much behavior can affect a man's attractiveness. Those types of men are aggressive, rule breakers, with absolutely no inhibition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:30 PM
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What is slim to you? An emo rock drummer? A basketball player? I think if the OP said guys who are skin and bones don't deserve fit women, then that would make a lot more sense, if we base "deserve" on what people can likely get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 08:53 PM
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I think so. Anecdotally, I've found more success when I start off by telling women I work in the energy industry as opposed to specifically jumping to my being a scientist/engineer. It's a very masculinely coded industry and that IMO gives an attractive look.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:52 PM
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I'm all ears on resources for eyebrow grooming . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:31 PM
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This is evolutionary advantageous. The confidence in your success increases the odds of success. You see similar things happen in the economy-if people believe there will be a recession, then the odds of a recession increase. Of course this might only give you 5 points to your objective score out of 100 for attractiveness, it can only do so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:24 PM
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Women who are both bossy and benevolent are the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:15 AM
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Eh, blue pill just refers to the mainstream (both feminist and traditional) narratives. Red pill actually has some overlap with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:13 AM
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Hits too close to home. One of the worst things a woman ever told me is that I must be acting the way I do because "everything you do is about getting attention for yourself" and that "no actual person would actually act the way you do" and this was after I thought she was someone it would be safe to "drop the mask" around, LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:03 PM
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They used to be a way for introverted men and women to meet each other. This changed as the Internet became more and more mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:14 PM
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Even if you go back to the US boy bands (NYSYNC, Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees, etc.) of the late 90s/early 00s then they are of average height. The members spanned 5'6" to 6'2". Lots of neotenous faces too. Justin Timberlake had his days of looking like Justin Bieber!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:35 PM
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Talk to his friends, they will tell on him. Speak to other men about him. Do not just give your female friends a field report and then have them analyze it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:31 PM
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I mean, this is in part because as I have a couple "1s" I legitimately have some real strengths to go with some real weaknesses. I think this is objectively a better situation to be in than just someone with 5 2s and 2 3s, for example. So, it's not just a matter of attitude. Don't get me wrong, the internal locus of control is important, but lately I have been contemplating on how the external affects the internal and how human brains are only so plastic-there's only so much we can do so quickly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:04 AM
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I scored 16 on the first, working on the second. Ah, to have a neotenous disposition except for my voice. With that said, my scores were all 1s and 3s except for inhibition, for which it depends on the day, so I have myself a 2. From my limited success (i.e. more than most 16s I assume) I would guess that those of us with polarizing scores adding to 16+ likely have a niche where we're attractive, as opposed to those with a cadre of 2s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:29 AM
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I am 30 and typically prefer to date older women. I would hope to adopt if we are unable to have as many children as we'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 05:35 PM
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I agree. I was born (albeit, not the worst) physical and psychosocial disabilities and I knew even as early as age 8, I was going to have a very difficult time attracting women. Did these guys just take it literally-societal messaging, whatever their mom told them, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:00 PM
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Ok, but certainly you would agree there is a wider range in male preferences for women than female preference for men? Lots of guys actually have no preference at all for height, women have a preference for shorter men is extremely niche, on the other hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:44 PM
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It's complex, both looks and personality can affect perception of the other. And yes, personality is much harder to change than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:26 PM
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Men have a wider attraction window than women. I for one prefer the runner look and there's been studies which show that socioeconomic background affects what men find attractive (hourglass vs. straight up and down).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:21 PM
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You've beaten guys in one on one fights? Did you end up reading my story? It got rejected by a literary journal. It has a guy whose wife would probably beat him in a one on one fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:46 PM
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I am this way too although not entirely degree/no degree. I'm just about to finish a STEM PhD program and I feel too mainstream to fit in here but also too much of a nerd to fit in with mainstream people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:55 AM
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There is correlation but it's a weak one. Humans form simple heuristics in their mind which while not science, are still better than guesses at capturing first order effects. A lot of social norms are the result of people looking at general trends in biology and then stating such trend must be enforced as an absolute. (I think we're actually basically in agreement here) I do agree that a lot of guys are just trying to retroactively "justify" themselves and it's cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:33 PM
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Yes, that sort of free form dating profile from years past is nearly dead, even on more traditional "search and browse" type of dating sites. Dating apps are following all of the trends also present in the death of the Old Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:32 PM
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These people misread Adam Smith all the time. It's tough convincing people that a completely unregulated market is not necessarily the one most efficient at bringing buyers and sellers together.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:58 PM
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I have a friend with the face of a male model. Before he got married (and he intentionally married a virgin) he would use Tinder or whatever as if he was using a food delivery app. After he broke up with his first fiancee, he went on Tinder and got approached by an 18 year old (he was 26) who even showed him her ID when he got skeptical of her age. When I hang around him, women do tend to treat me better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:18 PM
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Honestly? She looks good for her age. Oh, and I enjoy reading her work, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:15 PM
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Now that's what I call a moderator!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:17 AM
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Even as a guy who likes to be referred to by women he's interested in as "cute", "adorable", "baby boy", "little guy", "kiddo", "buddy", and "sweet", I cannot imagine wanting to be called "pretty".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:37 PM
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To me, that was the entire benefit of online dating, 2012-2017. I feel I can learn so much from a woman with different hobbies, interests, etc. than me. But I guess (anecdotally) there's been a push towards a "we need to have a lot in common".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:47 PM
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Ah but you've simply committed one of the classical logical fallacies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:09 PM
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Yes, absolutely. This especially goes for autistic men. Even if you say absolutely crazy stuff, some women may interpret this as being bold, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:41 PM
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I think it actually makes more sense for nonwhite men to seek relationships outside the US, because it enables them to explore environments where their phenotype is closer to conventional beauty norms. I am largely of Spanish and Japanese ancestry-Filipina and Peruvian women tend to find me attractive, much more than White or Black American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:18 AM
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Yeah I think finding someone interesting is more a function of if you actually make an effort to take an interest in them than an intrinsic quality of the person themselves. That is why the word "interesting" within the context of dating is so cringe to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 10:31 PM
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Well I, while young (30), am in the high-risk (congenital heart disease) category, so I am honestly planning on taking a booster every year potentially for the rest of my life. My potential kids could also have my heart condition, and I don't want to have fights about vaccines, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:58 PM
2

Anti-COVID vaccine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:04 PM
4

Had a mostly great video "date" with a woman a couple weeks ago. She looked even better than her photos and the conversation was scintillating. However, towards the end she goes off on this anti-vax tangent which caused me to later waffle on asking for a second date, to the point that my waffling became ghosting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:35 AM
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With regards to your last paragraph-if you go back to American TV/movies from 1970s or even British TV today, you do see a wider range of acceptable phenotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:17 AM
2

I basically agree. As an artist you will do better than an engineer just because of the gender ratio in these types of environments. However, whatever media perception people have of artists as extroverts, etc. lacks merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:50 PM
1

The problem is a man you can feel emotionally connected to a woman who you think the most of, to whom you're of little note. The comparability you see, won't necessarily be seen by her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:40 PM
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Autistic men, when "masking", change their personality all the time. The results are pretty mixed though. It is exhausting and when you think you have time to decompress and show your "real" personality, you run the risk of getting called a liar. (The trick IMO is to spin it and tell the woman she's the only one you feel you can be your "true" self with)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 01:20 AM
1

I don't think the bar is lowered. Instead, there's a reverse halo effect when the guy legitimately looks better physically due to his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:06 PM
1

I mean, with flirting in general, sometimes the flirting itself is an end to itself rather than a meaning to a ONS, a relationship, whatever. So, again, I likely agree with you, but for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 05:46 AM
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I agree for a different reason. Looks do matter, but "handsome" is almost an archaic word at this point. It's a professional way of telling someone they look good, the way a teacher would tell a student "yes, your outfit looks nice." Or at least, "handsome" is more nebulous than "hot" or "sexy" or even "cute". Sounds more like something someone would use to describe a dad, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 05:35 AM
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I tend to think this sort of thing is a non issue because people self sort by body count due to correlated measures. Sort of like how no guy really needs to worry about being a rich doctor and losing half his money after marrying a waitress. It's unlikely for such a pairing to happen to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:59 PM
1

Interested in a UK perspective here . . . do the men there age even worse due to the drinking culture? I remember some commentator once bemoaning how your football players in their 30s all look worse than South American ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 02:34 PM
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I agree. It's a situation where the ball is in the woman's court the entire time. The loss of a friendship is too much of a risk for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:28 PM
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I'm a bit late responding to this. At the last university I was at, one of my professors was a woman who I strongly believe was autistic (both facial features and behavior). To be clear, she's one of my favorite people of all time. Something I noticed in her behavior was that she seemed to mask by trying to be as "normal/average" as possible in every way. However, for the average person, they may be average in most ways but will have a couple ways in which they are unusual. With that said, she w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 01:50 PM
2

What about Charlotte, NC?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 11:11 PM
2

2 is the big one for both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 10:41 PM
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I largely agree that the issue is access more than lack of demand. See my post elsewhere on this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:19 PM
1

These women are often so introverted that OLD may be the best or only way to meet them and that comes with all the usual challenges. There is a woman who usually sits in front of me at Mass who I have been meaning to get the attention of but she just runs out as soon as it's over. When am I going to get the chance to talk to her? I won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:13 PM
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Interesting. Something I once thought would be funny in an acceptance speech would be " . . . and lastly, to the small minority of women who did give me a chance, thank you very much!" IDK if too self-deprecating or more in line with what you're observing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:51 PM
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Did it stick out to you in the (1) preselection sense, as defined in this subreddit or (2) that's such a weird thing to put in your profile, but there's something quirkily endearing about it? Me and u/wtknight have discussed that it's possible to use OLD for dating but stay away from explicit dating websites.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:29 PM
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You sound a lot like me, tbh. Hopefully, I too can meet someone as weird as me (a lot of "normal" women like me, but usually they get cold feet) but if not, I'll try to just contribute the best I can to this thing we call society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 09:51 PM
1

Maybe there's hope? Didn't you (or I'm getting you confused with another poster) say one (or both) of you has autism or ADHD? I'm in about that ballpark. Sometimes we get too attached to timelines . . . I used to say I would get married by the end of undergrad or perhaps 25. I think I still haven't comprehended the toll living in an utterly dysfunctional home where I even had to hide friendships to then immediately jumping to the sausage fest of engineering school and graduate school took on me.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 09:21 PM
1

It would be great to get to grow old with someone. I'm 30 now, we'll see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 09:12 PM
1

Wholesome and sweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 08:52 PM
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Not sure who said that, but yeah, that makes sense. Often the position someone is at determines our interpretation of their behavior, especially in terms of neediness vs. generosity. Or things like "that's just R Kelly being R Kelly", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 08:29 PM
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I actually think that even though Musk has a repulsive personality, that for some segment of women, it's actually very attractive. However, he wouldn't be attractive if that personality came from a basement dweller version of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:17 PM
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Ah OK, interesting. That's one downside (to me) of the UK system-degrees don't take as long but maybe you also don't learn as much. Although these things don't always scale . . . your program is three years?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:52 AM
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Interesting. If a guy hasn't had braces, does he look younger? I may end up getting them very late in life (30) for more medical than cosmetic reasons but I'm interested in the cosmetic details, too. Seems I've got all the neotenous features except I got an enormous nose . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:34 AM
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That's cool. I am also born in January. I know a few people who did the whole PPE thing at Oxford. (I also know people here in the US who did something similar at another university)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:32 AM
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Depends on what part of the movie you're at, I guess. Or did you just mean how they looked on the posters?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:30 AM
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Do you experience reverse halo effect facial attractiveness? That's how I am-a woman's personality determines her facial (but not body typically) attractiveness for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:25 AM
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You mean that, for his smile, he shouldn't show his teeth or that you prefer thick lips? The other details on neotenous features have been noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:23 AM
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So wholesome. I bet if anything Mr. Philosopher is ecstatic when you wear heels. BTW, what/who is your name a reference to? Nothing comes to mind as obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:25 AM
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I basically agree with this. Women want a guy who speaks softly and carries a big stick. A guy who is nice but who also can use violence to restore order if things fall apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:23 AM
1

When I was a child multiple men would tell me some variation on: even once you have her, never stop making an effort to win her over, every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:57 AM
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If it's any consolation I did the same thing to a woman a couple months ago and I really liked her. Just had nothing left in the tank emotionally after getting rejected by another woman and my low self esteem wouldn't let me believe the current woman was actually interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:54 AM
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I wanted to get married by the end of undergrad or at latest 25. I've never been interested in anything casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:34 PM
2

I will jump in here to say that the main issue is pretty similar to the main issue we always discuss-lack of social engagement. At the conclusion of Mass everyone largely just walks out, there's no real sticking around and talking. I've been planning an approach for weeks but she always zooms on out . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:56 AM
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I still tend to think this works best for someone like myself who is Spanish and Japanese and thus I match the male beauty standards in Peru or the Philippines moreso than the US. I don't think this works well if you're a standard White American man of Northwest European heritage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:37 PM
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I have the same amount of hair and weight as when I was 18 (just turned 30). I can confirm that suddenly I got (of course, relatively) much more interest in OLD the past few months. IDK though, because even if I am now more physically attractive (to the entire 18-40 group actually, it seems) I'm not in the correct mental state from previously having been considered less physically attractive. Ugly duckling syndrome is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:35 PM
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I feel completely out of touch from other men on this. To me, the way a woman could most affirm my masculinity would be: "You don't have to be strong, when you're with me. I'm not afraid of who you are."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:59 PM
2

The formation of a state is inherently an act of extreme violence. However, such violence is necessary to uphold the peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:58 PM
1

I feel that for some women, their physical standards actually increase with age, so she's less likely to find Bob attractive later than sooner. Greater familiarity/proximity also can increase attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:50 PM
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I'm not one to complain about women "dating Chad". However, consider that considering Bob sooner can be correlated with the woman being more likely to find Bob attractive? I personally would be fine with a marriage where the relationship is very formal (I visited the Biltmore Estate in the past few months and this is the implication I got from them having separate bedrooms) provided that the woman had a libido as low or lower than mine, or was even asexual but hetero- or bi- romantic. It's more …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:28 PM
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Some of the greatest men in history died virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:18 PM
1

I actually basically agree with this. I think the women on PPD are largely both sympathetic and empathetic to the men here. However, because the support package does not include pity sex, that's when guys flip out. It's frankly an embarrassment to the male species.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:13 PM
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All I know is that when I show pictures of the women I find attractive to my male friends, they say I have a bad case of engineer's goggles. When I show the same pictures to my older sister, she says the women all look like models.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:57 PM
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So like a guy who is constantly fixated on one topic? I'm taking notes . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:08 PM
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Interesting. What exactly counts as a nerd to you? Is it more behavioral or if all you knew about a guy was his job and favorite movies, etc. then would that be enough? I wonder if I should remove anything about being a scientist or engineer from my online profiles . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:06 PM
1

How did you end up just hanging out with other women? Remind me-you're from Midwest or South?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:02 PM
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Why do you pick those two "extremes" as being the most high risk options?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:01 PM
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If a woman ever sends you an invoice for emotional labor, just be sure to call the credit bureaus ahead of time in case she puts it up for collections. But yeah, don't pay that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 04:25 PM
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I agree and disagree. We would expect a large degree of uncertainty or turbulence in the outcomes of practicing dating strategies. However, why should dating be exempt from the scientific method? The fact that it is complicated does not mean the subject matter inherently involves untestable hypotheses, etc. Many of the early models we had for disease, the motion of planets, etc. were also very inaccurate (because it is so complicated) but we didn't just give up, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:09 PM
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The problem here is that there a lot more guys in the > 130 and < 70 IQ ranges than women so a lot of the guys over there don't even have an "intelligence match" due to lack of supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:16 PM
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Yes, hair length and how flat your stomach is are much more indicative of attractiveness than age. BTW, when you say feminine, are you kind of nurturing/maternal towards your boyfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:01 AM
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I dunno man. I certainly prefer the elegant look to the sexy look but a lot of models can be pretty hit or miss in terms of looks compared to actresses. And the reason those actresses are viewed as beautiful is that charisma helps women to be attractive too, we get to see them play characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:22 AM
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What exactly are you studying? I often feel the same way about my peers-women in STEM. But due to the ratio pursuing only women in STEM is going to be a losing strategy for a guy if you're not top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:22 PM
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I agree that women have less variance in what is considered physically attractive and that what makes a man physically attractive to them are innate (height, face, race, etc.) rather than workable. However, the reverse halo effect (i.e. effect of personality on perception of looks) still exists and guys will just need to make use of this as well as the variance which does exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:38 AM
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I largely agree. I am 30 and get more attention from 20 year olds than 35 year olds. However most 20 year old women are not emotionally attractive to me and for the ones that are, I'd imagine the competition would be fierce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:31 PM
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I don't generally believe in the "alpha widow" concept but Taylor is Exhibit A for it. Still, the music is very fun to listen to. She is a great artist even if she isn't the best vocalist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:58 AM
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I think one "positive" development of the Internet is that women realize much earlier on how worthless male attention is and that if they offer their male friends sex, 50% would say yes. Maybe this is a generational thing. (I was born in 1992) It's the age range when they will meet a lot of people their own age who are single in person and not online. I personally am about to have a lot of resources but I'm just utterly jaded and/or confused, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:02 PM
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I agree that women are less picky when younger. They just want a guy who is fun. For us guys, we want a woman who wants us because of our looks and personality, not resources. If any of you are 14-18 and reading this (although frankly I'd hope you're not on pill forums so young) and are serious about having a family, college years (18-22) might be the best time to meet your future spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:45 PM
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The best MGTOW spaces are those which aren't explicitly labeled as MGTOW spaces. Hobbyist groups for computers, cars, etc. There's a lot guys effectively following MGTOW principles but they're not advertising it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:33 PM
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I tend to try to see the good in every person, including in dating. There is opportunity to be had. She wants to be a SAHM? That's cool. Wants to do the power couple thing? Well, there's advantages to that. This is called flexibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:25 PM
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That sucks. I would assume his father is the older one? Did his mom have to take care of his dad as he got older? What became the most serious issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:45 PM
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Are both of his parents still alive? That's the other big risk-you die before your kid is even in their 30s. Bad stuff, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:27 PM
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Good take, a lot of guys won't admit that we have a biological clock too, albeit just a bit slower ticking. The real risk is not having the energy to parent a teenager. I personally would not try to become a father past 40-45.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:51 AM
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I basically think this is correct. You can make six figures be six feet tall but if you're just in your room outside of work then you will get no girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:47 PM
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In my anecdotal experience they kind of tried to make me play therapist. I'm a better listener than my guys, but there's a limit. And they often try to play therapist themselves, which I guess is still better than the women who won't listen to guys discuss their emotions at all, but again, there's a limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:42 PM
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I am one of those guys who is 30 and gets more attention from the 20-25, largely just because (I believe) I look really young for my age. Unfortunately, I generally find them physically and intellectually attractive but not emotionally attractive typically. I just don't think there's a lot of older guys who really want to date much younger women. Trust me, if I could, I would flip the switch to make myself attracted to them since that's where my opportunities like, but I can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:35 PM
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I mean, I guess? I only ask out women who I am I pretty sure are also interested in me. This still works better than OLD because even with sending out many individual messages, I get basically zero results.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:09 AM
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I've experienced the same, albeit it was during high school times. "I want to marry a woman, and be a great husband and father and make enough money to provide for four kids." "Wow, that's really gay dude."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:12 PM
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The problem though goes back to-what counts as flirting and IOIs and then often they're tough to discern from just being friendly because it's highly individual. Honestly, for me it's still just a guessing game. I really just don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:31 PM
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I agree that the rejection rate for men is much lower if you've already been spending time with her. If you date within your social circle entirely, you can probably get 1 out of 4 or even 1 out of 2 women to say yes. The rejections can hurt worse though when you find out your emotional connection was entirely one-sided and even worse in the nightmare scenario when she spread rumors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:18 PM
1

Animal Crossing is a good one, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:22 PM
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Yeah, my sister is one of these women. Religious women, book worms/other non-extroverted art women, careerist women, etc. you might only have access to online if you're not in their work social circle. I agree that guys need to slowly warm up the interactions. And online dating is entirely antithetical to this because of the immediate expectations surrounding the interactions. Even with the Internet becoming more mainstream, there's still small communities where this is possible. Maybe a website…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 04:45 PM
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Yeah, if you try to develop social circles online as you do IRL, then you can date out of these. Get that reverse halo effect (personality and social proof making you look better than you do in a still photo) going. Wouldn't surprise me if there were couples who met on PPD, even. Seems like the "friends first" approach is better, both online or offline. I just don't think most men are good looking enough to immediately try to evaluate the dating question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 02:52 PM
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That's still a lot more affordable than the Bay Area. It's part of why I want to head there, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 03:08 AM
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I guess I must just a weirdo, then. My friends are a pretty collection of people with varying degrees of similarity. I actually really enjoy learning new things from people who I don't share hobbies, etc. with. Maybe the average person only spends time with people like themselves, and social atomization just reinforces this, IDK. In terms of political and religious views though, for dating we would need to be somewhat close although this isn't true for my friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:40 PM
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IDK man. From 2012-2017 it seemed like the women on online dating were as niche/oddball as the men but since then it's gotten too crowded to be useful. I do think however that the Internet can be a useful place for dating, just not on dedicated online dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:36 PM
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I think it's pretty likely that "feminine men" are in much deeper trouble than "masculine women" w.r.t. dating and relationships. There's a lot more I could say on this topic (I'm tired) but have you tried a strategy of presenting your submissiveness to a woman as something unique you will only do for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:33 PM
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Was it me who said this? I feel fortunate to have both Western and Eastern cultural heritage in this way . . . try to mix the best of both worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:30 PM
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Did you do biomedical engineering by chance? I am a nuclear engineer. I am planning to join a startup after I graduate in December. Gotta find those small metros with a lot of jobs but the COL is still low. The Tri-Cities in Eastern WA is one in my field. Unfortunately, the "good deals" are going away and COL is rising in the New South and Inner West/Mountain states.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:28 PM
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For my particular type of engineering, we get paid more and there's a lot of jobs in low COL rural areas which don't really pay much less. Still, I'd imagine at like 40-45, I'd need to start doing some consulting on the side to see any more appreciable gains in income.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 06:26 PM
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This is why I don't get the guys who "don't care about a woman's career."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 12:18 PM
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I need to work on something I love. I will have a PhD in December and do very specialized work, which helps with both income and interest. It seems though for a entry-level job with a BS, the starting salary has been flat for years at like ~$65K/year.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 12:17 PM
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I graduated high school in 2010. My big goal was to be pulling $150K/year by 35 so my wife could stay at home with up to four kids. I will probably be able to exceed that salary, but I really got the cost wrong. Need more like $250K/year. I'm an engineer and our salaries are pretty flat in terms of time and experience so IDK if I can get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 04:33 AM
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There is no such thing as "yourself". The Western conception of identity as fixed rather than fluid is highly damaging not just in dating all aspects of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 07:04 PM
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The last paragraph really hit home with me. I have a genetic medical condition which causes some really atypical features-I don't like anything like the rest of my family. But it's also nothing to the extent of Treacher-Collins. As a kid I was always aware I was facially at least somewhat below average looking. Online dating 2012-2027 confirmed this, but what I will say is that online dating 2017-2022 is a lot different than even the recent past and by that I mean it's worse. I think also for my…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:20 PM
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I actually think whatever difference in dating strategies between feminist and non-feminist women as groups exists, the difference and variation within groups is far more. With that said yes, what we are attracted to has some elasticity and there are indeed women who are following what they feel they should be attracted to as to what they are authentically attracted to. (Although this can cut both ways-women who feel they should be attracted to 6'2" guys or stable provider guys) You need to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:38 PM
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Yeah, in an efficient economy, good deals don't last long. Even here in NC, the cost of living is going up majorly. Maybe we'll stop seeing so much migration to the New South.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:27 PM
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I don't think so. To be clear, I am more like "boyish" than "feminine". My attempts to be more "masculine" just result in the appearance of a poor imitation knock-off product. I have tried to lean more into the "soft/neotenous" aesthetic with more success.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:25 PM
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This is more wholesome than 99% of PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:21 PM
1

I agree with this. Yes, I'm actually on team women here. A lot of women's communication isn't as literal as men's. It's more about their relationship with each other. I'm pretty sure most women know where they stand in the markets, etc. even when it is unspoken.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:53 PM
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Yeah, even in tradcon circles, there will at least be sexual tension at 3-6 months and it's a dance of "we want to, but we can't" until marriage or maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:43 PM
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I really can't get behind this take. Assortative mating is real, but if once I graduate this December, I'd be doing myself no favors by only going for women who also have a PhD. I'd rather trade in the educational difference somewhere else. Most successful relationships are going to involve a degree of polarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 05:04 AM
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Yes. This life would be complete garbage if you guys didn't take care of us, hold us and feed us. I'm better at sharing my emotions with other men than most, but it's just not the same as receiving it from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 02:33 AM
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Women have always been the ones who cared for men. Look up Florence Nightingale BTW, great story. And I also think there's disproportionately more women in mental healthcare than healthcare as a whole. What these guys are mad about is that this "caring for" does not include pity sex. To the women reading this-thank you for taking care of us! I wish we could do more than entertain you in this modern world. I love women, feel free to call me a simp, I won't deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:58 PM
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If a woman is fat, then by definition it's very likely that she is NOT trying very hard to please men within the context of dating. The things that make men more attractive tend to be congenital while women have a choice in how attractive they are. Note that I don't think this is entirely a good thing for women in the same way that high IQ people feel pressure to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 03:06 PM
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I'm the male version of a cardio bunny. I don't go to the gym but play sports, keep my weight down more by portion control than good choices, etc. As I get older, I do think I will need to eat more plants.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 03:02 PM
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What is your waist and shoulder measurements? At 5'8", 150 I would be solidly in the middle of the normal BMI range but apparently underweight if you account for a 28 inch waist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 03:00 PM
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It's also because they, like teachers, are people we expect the best of. And both are lawsuit material because you can sue an entire school system or diocese. But yes abuse occurs much more commonly within families.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 06:57 PM
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I've noticed the same thing and I am Spanish/Japanese mixed. It really sucks because I'm typically more attracted to slightly older women. Makes me wanna move to South Korea or Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:26 PM
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I think there's a lot of truth here. With that said, the personality traits required to overcome adversity are also largely genetic. In that sense, it makes sense there's still a lot of born unattractive, try-hard men with us, and I think I include myself in this category.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 06:13 PM
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I only do relationships. For me, apparently the 22 year olds because I'm extremely neotenous looking. Because I'm also only just completing grad school this year, we may also be in the same life stage. I wish I could be more attracted to younger women, it would solve a lot of my problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 01:53 PM
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I agree that proximity and looks are what matter most in getting opportunities to date. Guys also need to know their niche. I will never be attractive to a broad cross section of women but can be 7+/10 to women in my niche. Don't pick up hobbies just for the sake of meeting women, instead make the hobbies you already have more social.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 05:07 PM
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I shave my armpits and torso area instinctively. However, the FE of a guy isn't necessarily also his looksmatch. Most women would not like the smooth look on men as much as the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 08:21 PM
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No, if anything I'd like to marry a slightly older woman with a similar amount of education. It's pretty unusual to see couples with a 10-20 year age gap, although I have met some. I definitely think TRP is total BS on male physical attractiveness peaking later. Unfortunately, I'm one of the men in position to date younger-I am 30 but look 20-25 and get interest from this group. While some of them are both physically and intellectually attractive to me, not so much emotionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 11:18 PM
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I agree completely. It's great being able to learn from each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 04:51 AM
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Ah OK, interesting. Was wondering why you just gave Internet examples. I was talking (online) with a Japanese woman once and she said that a guy who is muscular from athletics or work would be considered attractive but if a guy looks like he goes to the gym, then that's unattractive. What do you think of that? IDK, just seems like peacocking is really down on in both East and SE Asian cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 09:04 AM
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I hope it works for you. I have a serious medical condition for which I have been willing to receive multiple treatments for except for my facial aesthetics. I wish I could just move past the mental block.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:59 PM
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Well, it depends on which Japanese people we're talking about. It's actually ambiguous to me but it seems the OP is in the US with Japanese and Korean ancestry. In my family, everyone is descended from people who immigrated to the US before 1924. I have no Japanese-American relatives who immigrated more recently. Among this group, traditional masculinity is a pretty big thing. I think what happened after WWII in Japan was there was a real effort to squelch this as there was an interaction betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:51 PM
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I mean, why not? Where in Asia is your wife from? A lot of "alpha male" behaviors are viewed as really uncouth in Japan, from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:22 PM
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The optimal response would've been for Will Smith to come up with something much wittier and verbally humiliate Chris Rock. He just looks weak and cheap by just going up and taking a free shot at Chris which didn't even move him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 04:44 PM
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She's still attractive at her age, speaking as a 30 y/o. And since she already has her money, she's completely disincentivized from going after a guy who also has that going for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 02:39 PM
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Interesting . . . I forgot aren't you engaged? What does your fiancee think? Models and top female athletes all push 5'10" . . . that sort of representation isn't helpful at all? I was discussing with another woman that she doesn't really see herself in those women, beyond being of similar height.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 01:23 PM
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Am a guy with small ears that look large due to sticking out. I am have been thinking of wearing a light cosmetic like otostick. This is also probably the safest/cheapest/most satisfactory plastic surgery (otoplasty). But IDK. Seems like part of my marketing at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:10 AM
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Do you not think this is better than the opposite-4'8"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:08 AM
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This is a good take. I was talking with a friend and basically it comes down to: "how can I make some of the things I already enjoy more social?" And this is how I got involved with the knitting and writing stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 05:35 AM
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Fortunately, I also get the upsides. I feel pretty content to be alone and just focus on my work and other interests. I am even strongly considering elevating/integrating some of my hobbies into a secondary career. If I can't find a woman to marry and have a family with . . . oh well? I am enjoying a lot of the volunteer work I do with kids, it gives me a lot of satisfaction and I get to make good use of my paternal instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 12:54 AM
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I thought the UK was much less diverse than the US, close to 90% White? Are you in the suburbs of London?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 10:29 PM
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Ah. Well, anecdotally, this has been my experience. I honestly don't like it because there's more pressure when I make an approach because I end up approaching less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:50 PM
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Do you mean low T men have a higher threshold for attraction? I've never had it measured but I'm probably low T (none of my hair has fallen out, twinkish build, youthful face, etc.) and I am super demisexual. Or if I am just looking at a photograph, I'm only attracted to the top 10% of women. It's honestly awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:40 PM
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Something I remember being told even as young as 5-10 (which would be 1997-2002) was that as a man make sure you never stop trying to win her heart. This was probably the "advice" given to me that most lines up with what I see in reality. In other words, I am in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 03:19 PM
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This is interesting. Unfortunately, I have narrow shoulders alongside thick legs so I don't think I qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 03:41 PM
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Not sure. But he just did some pretty believable LARPing of Neville Chamberlain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:48 AM
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Where are you guys? I don't get much attention from women but it's mostly from younger women (am 30, look 20-25). However, I mostly am only attracted to older women. Alas . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:43 AM
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Yes. And I mean Harry is going about chasing older women the right way while Macron was a total chump about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:41 AM
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Harry Styles is the anti-Macron.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:31 AM
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What does this mean. Do you mean a guy whose face, if we cover the hair, is ambiguous gender-wise, or a guy who looks young for his age?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:29 AM
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This rings true. Youth is valued in male beauty in both East and SE Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:27 AM
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This might honestly be the worst post in the 2+ years I've been on this subreddit. Just running a mile due to an anecdote. Pffft.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 02:09 AM
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I enjoy these. I am thinking of becoming a children's entertainer as a side gig. Want to be able to have my own stuffed animals, etc. to have alongside any books I write. I would never do something like ballroom dancing. If I were to pick up another sport, it would be Krav Maga, which should just be another sausage fest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 01:32 AM
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Which churches are these? In the average Catholic parish, young women might outnumber young men 55-45 but it's not super lopsided.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 11:17 PM
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I just joined knitting and writing social circles. I'm the only guy in both groups. This has been a revelation to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 11:11 PM
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You are correct. However for myself, I am fairly "demisexual" and often don't know for months if I am attracted to a woman. It puts me in a difficult position. I've had friends tell me outside of being attracted to women, I sound like a woman when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 12:28 AM
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I basically take the same approach as you, in the real world (so not online, where I just message whoever). The main issue is that the "no" hurts more, that feeling of learning your emotional connection was so one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 11:47 PM
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I talk to everybody. You can learn from a different person's perspective. I don't know what you mean by "going out of my way". With that said, I think I'm at the edge of the bell curve, here. I've had women assume I am flirting with them because I'm friendly to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 06:52 PM
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I mean, with regards to the first part, it can be a problem. I wish my preferences were more typical because it would give me a wider dating pool. Not sure how I could coerce a woman into being taller? You mean coercing her into wearing heels? Lucky husband! It is nice to be able to look up to your woman and also feel protected when you walk next to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 06:44 PM
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As a guy who's only 5'8" and also has this preference (very elastic though . . . I still find plenty of women who are barely 5' attractive) I wish I didn't, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 05:26 PM
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I have an older sister. I always saw her as the favored child but I think it was imprisoning in the long term. I think my mom legitimately saw my being born disabled as something I legitimately did to ruin her life. My mom used my disability to both make herself a martyr and weaponized it against me. When I tried to get a high school teacher to intervene, she just didn't get how my mom was overtly trying to deny me social and educational opportunities. I think if I was a girl I would've had a wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 03:21 AM
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Go where you are wanted. I find that younger women, nerdy women, tomboys, East Asian women, etc. tend to be more into this body type. With that said I'm your height and still significantly heavier than you. You might want to aim to put on 20 pounds. I assume you already have abs at your weight, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 10:35 PM
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Yeah while I love her music (it's fun, not talking about the lyrics), the lyrics show she only pays attention to the top 1% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 11:08 PM
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Oh, so I did. Yeah, it's too bad I find younger attractive physically and intellectually but almost never emotionally. I look young and they give me more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 05:13 PM
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I am a guy who is 30 and is still trying (used to want 6, if I could've gotten married by the end of undergrad) to have 4 kids eventually. Unfortunately, I am only just now (in a few months) completing my PhD with no dating prospects in sight, and I generally prefer to date slightly older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:45 PM
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IDK. I am 30 but get told I look 20-25. Younger women give me the most time of day (although this is all relative, I get little attention overall). "Unfortunately", I tend to be more attracted to the 30-35 group who don't want me. LOL?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 03:26 AM
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I feel like there's been a study posted here before that women with ASPD only have slightly fewer children than the average while for men, this number drops to like < 50%. Can't think of the title off the top of my head though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 04:22 AM
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I have the reversed version of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:51 AM
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Sort of rings true to me. I would get called "gay" because since I was 16 I wanted to marry a woman (ideally by the end of undergrad) and have four kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 05:58 AM
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I actually believe you. Seeing a woman be a (successful, mind you) is proof positive of a nurturing affect. I can definitely see how being a mom makes a woman more attractive, provided she doesn't have the "negative" parts of it as well, like still having pregnancy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:11 PM
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Religious women have religious requirements in dating but they also have all of the same secular requirements. This negates the smaller dating which normally in-person (younger people underrepresented at any parish not on a college campus) results in more women approaching, less "hypergamy", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:20 PM
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I have done religious online dating and it is just as terrible as the generic swipe apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:15 AM
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Better yet would be for the guy to lose the fat. Fatless and hairless is the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:46 AM
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I agree that men need to shave their pits too, if that's what you also implied by the last sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:20 PM
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Declining testosterone in men is a likely culprit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:10 PM
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Yeah I really don't this talk either. Everyone and everything is interesting to me. And often it's the super quiet ones who have really insightful things, but you have to earn it. One of my best friends from college is the guy who says very little and that in of itself got me intrigued.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:10 PM
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I basically agree with you. I consider myself someone socially clueless at times and I have no idea how all these guys didn't look around and see that the taller, fitter, most chiseled face guys (hair no big deal cause we're just teenagers) got the most girls. Like, hello? To me these people are the same as those complaining about $250,000 in debt from college who "didn't know" that the average private college, outside of the top 20 or so, provides the same education as public ones. One thing I …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:32 AM
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Yeah whenever I see dudes complain that women don't like being told they're physically attractive or that the guy likes some physical aspect of her, I just assume they're socially clueless on when and how to make these comments. Like, I kind of prefer taller women and whenever I get the chance to tell a woman who's 5'10"+ (or maybe even 5'6"+) I love how tall she is; that she seems beautiful and powerful, etc. they love it. I have only ever gotten one negative response and it was more because sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:04 PM
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Yeah that was really wholesome. Glad to know we're appreciated, even from afar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:58 PM
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Yeah, being "demisexual" actually kind of sucks in my experience as well. Yes, someone's facial attractiveness gets re-written based upon their personality so from that perspective I have great fluidity in what I find attractive. But for most people in general (not just women) my interactions aren't particularly deep, I'm just more trying to be entertaining. So I don't end up attracted to nearly that many women based upon an emotional connection, maybe just about 10 like yourself. It's very frus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:56 PM
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Interesting. I think more and more I need to lean INTO my neotenous appearance. (I am turning 30 in a matter of days but look more like early 20s) Aim for that niche appeal, like you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 09:48 PM
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What do you think of going for a boyish look as opposed to a feminine look? Like what if I wear jackets that are bright colors or my shoes are very big compared to my body, etc. Is there also appeal to that sort of thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:53 PM
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Is it really so hard to believe that people get more empathetic with age? There's some evidence people get more socially liberal with age, as they meet more and different kinds of people, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:14 PM
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Mate . . . this is the sort of thing that determines who gets the ring. It is the ULTIMATE test. Otherwise . . . what's the point? Unfortunately, the woman who most recently passed the test and I also completely disagreed on how many children to have (her: 0 me: 4) so we were incompatible. But it's not something I have a schedule for, it's just whenever we naturally progress to that point and I take the plunge. You have got to be willing to take the risk you get hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:05 PM
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Yeah those guys might take a look but do nothing more. The studies with "men of all ages find women 20-25 most attractive" are deceiving this way. It's more like a fantasy but for most they know it's not such a good idea, nevermind if they can actually pull it off. And that's cool. Basketball is my favorite sport even though I'm slightly below average height (5'8") and just end up trying to catch and shoot 3s. I have quite a few celebrity crushes on taller women (Karen Gillan, Katherine Watersto…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 06:57 AM
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(Serious) Did you play basketball or do modeling when younger? But yeah I totally believe early middle age is when women have the largest age spectrum of guys going after them. I just don't buy the narrative all of these guys from their 50s to the 80s are going after women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:37 AM
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I think it's that a lot of these guys (who . . . me?) would date you if they had the chance, and I assume most (like . . . me?) are closer in age and would want a full relationship. So from that perspective, there's a "hey, look at me" motivation going on. In seriousness, you're very cool. Maybe once I'm out of grad school I'll get a chance to meet a woman like you out West . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:28 AM
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Oh no I agree with all of this. I'm just saying that even the 2D photo version of her is still somewhat attractive to me. But yeah once mannerisms, etc. are added in (and in this show I think the character is supposed to be super smart) then attractiveness can get a big boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:20 AM
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I mean I have very widely set eyes myself, so maybe a little bit biased. It's a facial characteristic common but not exclusive to autism spectrum disorder . . . who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:03 AM
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The examples of women brought up in this thread are just another signal that outside of being heterosexual/attracted to women in general, I'm very different from my own gender on issues of sexuality. First I'm not sure I can name a female celebrity who's worse than slightly below average. Secondly I am inelastic on body (needs to be fit to average) but it terms of facial attractiveness I am super elastic. The movie roles I've seen some of these female celebs in has a greater effect on how I view…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:30 AM
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It could be that she seems hot due to the character she plays. A lot of guys won't admit that women can use charisma to look hotter, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:25 AM
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Tilda Swinton looked really hot bald as The Ancient One. Big impetus for me seeing the first Doctor Strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:23 AM
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The men who moved the world forwards. Leonardo da Vinci Alexander Hamilton James Maxwell And so on, etc. I am purplish, sort of trad-lite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:03 AM
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I think it's the general idea that men heal by doing vs. how women heal by talking. When I started my PhD I got a book on it: The Way Men Heal by Thomas Golden. There's some truth here. Although like with a lot of these resource, it makes me realize that I'm more feminine that the average man. Anyways, one of the key points in these discussions is that people in general are resilient and forcing them to discuss over and over some past event can actually lead to trauma where none previously exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 07:03 PM
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I'm not sure the second type is really settling though? Like to me I actually find tallish women more attractive, which belies the average taste. So if someone saw me with a woman who was 5'8" and then they saw by herself the same woman but 5'4" then they might wonder if I had to settle but to me I won every part of that deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:47 PM
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My mom squeezed it out of my that I had been (on the lower end of it, if we consider it a spectrum) sexually assaulted by another guy at school. She went on a campaign for the next 6-9 months utilizing this as proof of my general incompetence and even got a social worker (and mind you this was only late 2000s in one of the most liberal areas of the US) to buy into the idea that I had provoked him or that I hadn't really taken appropriate defensive measures, etc. A lot of the adults from my teena…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:30 PM
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Yes I am. My intelligence is in the top 1-5% and ideally I would like the same in a woman. All of my celebrity crushes are very intelligent and women IRL who I've longer after the most and typically equal in intelligence and achievements. However, we live in a real world and you don't just get to carve a woman out of a block of marble. Emotional connection is more important to me than intellectual connection. And even within intellectual connection as long as she is at least high-normal (IQ of 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 06:13 PM
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Maybe age but it's probably a lot closer than you'd think. Men have more outliers in a lot of areas so if most of the people with unconventional tastes were men, it wouldn't be too surprising. And to be clear I'm not making any moral evaluation. Things are what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 12:14 AM
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I think what you're saying is true. There's more spread in women's preferences beyond a 6'2" White guy. But I also think men's preferences have a wider spread than women's preferences. There's way more guys who prefer a taller women than women who prefer shorter men (they do exist, I know a few), for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 12:06 AM
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That's cool. Do you mean you have one French and one Algerian parent? My dad's family is from Spain and my mom's mom is Japanese (well, Japanese-American). I think my dad's parents are from different parts of Spain. My mom's dad is White but I don't really know much about him, sort of that family member no one talks about, LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 11:59 PM
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Being mixed Hispanic-White-Asian, this post intrigues me. I am somewhere between light and medium skinned, that is what are you mean? Are you Peruvian or Filipina by chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 11:53 PM
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Still waiting for that first email from the in person poetry group I joined. Looking forward to a gender ratio inverted from my day job.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 08:21 PM
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Hits too close to home. The pictures I choose are the ones in which I look most attractive to ME. I typically look younger and happy in them but for women this is not what would be the most attractive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 08:12 PM
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It's painful. He also had a beautiful fiancee before his wife (who IMO was the better choice) who he awful to but still "karma" didn't catch up and he ended up with his wife. I'm not actually he and his wife will last more than 10 years and it kind of makes me sad. The fiancee broke up with him in part because of too many fights over the 2016 election. LOL?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:20 AM
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One of my best friends from college would use the apps as if they were Uber Eats for ONSs. He even (when 26) got approach by an 18 y/o on apps. Even in undergrad he would just sit in the bar and get women. Otherwise, he didn't really socialize. As soon as got tired of all of this, he decided he would marry a virgin and did so this past year. I have only ever wanted to marry a woman and have four children with her, it would mean a lot to me to be a father. I am still not married and typically jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 12:06 AM
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About two years ago on OLD I messaged a women after viewing her profile because it seemed she had a multitude of interests and so do I. It's rare for me to meet STEMish people who are also involved with the arts. Anyways, she told me she wasn't looking to have intellectual conversations. IDK I think she just thought I was unattractive and was being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 08:21 PM
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I am low libido. If this were a choice, I would be zero libido. Ever since puberty I've lost so time that could've been used more productively on my career, interests, hobbies, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 08:29 PM
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I feel this basically describes a lot of female singers. There's a cut off of being average to slightly above average but after that it's all charisma. Madonna (when she was 25-35), Taylor Swift, etc. without makeup look very average facially. They're just incredibly charismatic and have developed a brand. They seem to have their choice of men although there's still the issue of making the correct choice . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 04:47 PM
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Who cares? I am pretty sure among they the greatest intellectual men who actually moved society forward, they were disproportionately more feminine than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 04:36 PM
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Interesting. I have been thinking of doing business in Siberia in the platinum industry. China also has a big excess of males, so flipped from Russia. East Asian cultures in general are big on youth, even in males. I have a few Russian friends here in the US. Online Russian women seem to trash Russian men relentlessly. Looking at the suicide and alcoholism rates in the 15-35 cohort, some truth backs the stereotypes. I actually like a lot of women from Eastern Europe and Asia. Usually a nice mixt…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:21 AM
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Where in Russia are you? East or West of Urals? I'm guessing East originally but maybe living in the West now? And yes I know in East Asia (Japan) the biracial look has a lot of appeal. Russian men do not sound very impressive at all . . . I usually see them in road rage videos on YouTube.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:00 AM
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Yeah I don't think most women would. Kind of cringe, tbh. It's not something I really share IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 05:56 PM
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Makes me wonder how this one woman would feel if she knew I routinely cry myself to sleep thinking of her. Pathetic? Concerned? Or just empowering for her, knowing there's a chance I'll never have her off my mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 05:19 PM
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In Russia beauty standards favor European-Asian mixes, or you meant something else? I may need to investigate this . . . (am mainly Spanish and Japanese).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 05:08 PM
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I disagree. A woman, even with an odd face, can become at least a 7 if she gets a rock hard body. Getting that in shape isn't as helpful to men because women value congenital traits like height and face much more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 04:42 PM
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Gotcha. I look young in the face for my age but while I'm pretty sure I can maintain my current weight, I'm not sure I really have much control on if my face will actually catch up with my age or there'll always be a gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 03:46 PM
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Wow I am really getting a brigade of downvotes from the Red Pillers on a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:10 AM
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This matches my experience as well. I think for a lot of us men we want to "simp" for women because to us they really are all that. We're hopeless romantics. However, this "putting on a pedestal" (unfair, I just likely think you're awesome) is typically not good strategically however I do notice older women like yourself are much more receptive towards my compliments. I just love to give praise and don't need back much myself, I get enough at work. From a woman I'm more looking for safety and pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:09 AM
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Are these men also very intelligent and value your degree/career? When I was in high school I often liked talking to my teachers more than the other students, the conservations were just more interesting. I loved the nurturing angle too, I had one teacher in particular I really liked because her class was one of the few places I felt safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 07:01 AM
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If a guy looks his age in the face but is still fit and has all of his hair, does this count as looking younger than his age to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:59 AM
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I think there was a paper showing somewhere between 35-40 women switch to preferring younger men in terms of physical attraction. Someone else has the title, I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:55 AM
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It's one of the most validating things when an older women tells you you're more mature than the guys her age. If you play your cards right and 80% of the time are on the top of your game, she'll let you be a boy the other 20% of the time, feeding you, comforting/nurturing you, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:52 AM
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I think this works better if you're not White. I am mixed White/Asian/Hispanic which leads to me meeting the beauty standards in other countries better. I think Peru and the Philippines are the only places on Earth where I might be a considered a 7 in terms of looks. White and Black American women are not very receptive to my advances but I've actually had Peruvian and Filipina women try to flirt with me. It also helps if your accent is something non-standard. I speak in a typical Mid-Atlantic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 07:17 AM
3

Yes, the same testosterone that gives us the means to conquer the world simultaneously condemns us to use all of its power to chase women. Alas.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:48 PM
2

I am in position to go full Newton and shrug at the prospect of having or not having sex. The Red Pillers you see on here are very likely to be sex addicts. For the average man, his existence lies somewhere between these two extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:46 PM
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Goes along with a general perspective of wanting to win fairly, cleanly. If I were an NBA player I wouldn't try to win by faking contact and getting foul calls. There truly is something so repulsive about winning in a win not legitimately. I'm in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:42 PM
5

It's actually really hard to date women in STEM due to the ratio. The women are great (bit odd compared to general population but more socially competent than their male STEM peers) but they're almost always taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:51 PM
3

I am this way. Unfortunately it's not a good thing necessarily because I don't end up attracted to women in volume. I feel less motivated to make a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 07:27 PM
1

I actually met a really nice woman this way; (she is the volunteer coordinator) at the food bank I volunteer at. Unfortunately, someone else clearly had the same idea and she's taken. Crowd skews both younger and older, no middle aged parents there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:18 AM
3

Intelligence matters for me a lot but I'm also willing to "date down" (disgusting term) in this area significantly. I am in the top 1-5% of intelligence and if I were to only date women in this area, I would be even more hopeless than I currently am. So, I extend to the top 20-40%. Moreover . . . why just talk to the woman and see how the conversation goes in terms of communication and level of interest in the topics? One thing that has passed me by in not being able to leverage "dating down" in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 03:29 PM
1

This place has helped in my PhD studies. I have improved in rejecting ideology and consistency in critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 04:12 PM
7

I'm just sitting here, am 29 but look 23 and could date a 21 year old. But I prefer women who are more like 35 and to them I'm just too neotenous looking. These older women are getting offers and they're shooting them down, trust me. What a world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:16 PM
0

I'm pretty sure this is an established fact, women find a smaller range of men attractive than men do of women. For me, I'm appreciative of differences in face/height/race/etc. but she's gotta be fit. See the music video for Macarena to understand what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 12:44 PM
2

Yes and no. One of the hardest pills for me to swallow is while I am of great use to society, I am of no use to women. It is my ideas and not my DNA which will be lasting influence on the world. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 06:50 PM
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Probably. Baldness only looks good for certain head shapes and head shapes are simply just genes. Women also have a preference for youth, it just isn't as strong as men's. And a full head of hair is an indicator of youth. This is the one area of my looks, tbh, where I feel my genes put me into above average territory. I am 29 and the only permanent hair loss I have is from an injury as a child and the hair I have is very thick. Looking at my mom's male relatives, they (especially the Japanese on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 04:51 PM
2

For me, there isn't any? When I see a woman taking care of kids or otherwise acting very nurturing, she starts to look hotter to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 10:57 PM
12

I am actually on team women here. 80% of what is called "nagging" is already constructive criticism or genuine concern. One of favorite forms of flirting actually is when a woman teases me like "Joey, you need to remember to zip up your coat, do you need help with that"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 11:20 PM
1

I largely agree. A woman with my "in season" physique would be at least a 7 while I am like a 4. Being in shape vs. average amount of flab only gives a guy +1. Still, I think you're too pessimistic, guys should still go ahead and get in shape. Every bit counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:32 PM
2

That sounds so wonderful. Like a restless warrior finally finding his home. Edit: I actually really love this one trope which touches on this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LadyAndKnight It's something you see in a lot of swashbucklers. The man is traditionally masculine but in reality (perhaps in secret) the woman is really the one in charge. I think /u/GridReXX put in best in a recent post, the man provides physical protection while the woman provides emotional protection. This t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 04:31 AM
1

Second paragraph is perfect. With a woman like that, a simple touch on the shoulder is grounding and comforting. Alas . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 12:59 AM
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I'm about 60/40 E/I so I'd prefer a woman who is about 40/60 E/I. There is something very inspiring about a woman working in solitude on her craft. The doing rather than talking about it portrays a certain favorable humility. OTOH I have no problem being the more outward vocal half of the pair but she should also be an active participant in our shared social activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 01:22 AM
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Random chime in . . . My sister tells all the crushes I show her pictures of look like models while my male friends all say I totally have engineering goggles. (Basically beer goggles due to consistently working in an 80/20 gender split industry) Make of this what you will. There's definitely a split. Although I've had times when both groups said the women I liked were plain, so I dunno. I'm pretty "demisexual" but all of my celeb crushes are all fairly fit/thin. Karen Gillan, Katherine Watersto…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:53 AM
3

I said in another answer that I am routinely attracted to women up to 10-20 pounds overweight. On the BMI scale, this could be midday between overweight and obese, so 27.5. But there's some variance. I could be attracted to a woman at about 30 if her fat is largely away from her midsection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:46 PM
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Realism isn't fun. I had thought that as a fit guy with a goofy face, I'd be able to find a woman with the same. I was wrong. On Photofeeler I get like 3-4/10. I think a woman with the same characteristics as me is more like a 6-8/10. It's all about the face. But I was never delusional that I was a weird looking guy, only how much body matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 09:41 PM
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I will rephrase this to what makes a woman a friend vs. a potential girlfriend. (1) Same values. I have friends of all political and religious stripes but in a relationship we would need to be somewhat close. (2) Very nurturing, doesn't shame me for opening up about my feelings. Understands our relationship is one of the few places I don't need to do the masculinity act. (3) Not more than 10-20 pounds overweight. But your face can look like whatever, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 03:34 PM
3

There's a Howard Jones song called "What is Love?" One of the most profound lyrics: "Does anybody even love anybody anyways?" Food for thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 03:29 PM
1

I am strongly personally opposed because it's not only my privacy that's of concern, otherwise I wouldn't care. My private conversations are private between myself and the other person. Unauthorized access to these is not simply an invasion of my privacy, but the third party's as well. My phone is also necessary for various 2FA functions for work, etc. It needs to be secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 06:36 PM
1

I've had this happen to me. Instead of the woman being told to stop misinterpreting me, I was blamed. It creates a problem however where if I were treat women with less friendliness in the workplace, it would create the appearance of bias. I'm not sure what the solution is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 04:57 AM
3

If anything taller women (speaking as a fan) are more fluid in their height requirements. It's the shorter women typically who demand more here. I agree broadly that this issue is overdone on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 06:22 PM
1

Yes! Love, love, love Karen Gillan! (And Katherine Waterston too but then she had another man's baby) Cutoff would be maybe 6'4"? At least that's how tall Breanna Stewart is. (Am only 5'8")
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:23 PM
2

This is one I really don't get. I remember even as a child strangers wouldn't sit next to me, other kids wouldn't initiate conversations with me, etc. And I knew it was because I was very visually disabled, much more so than I appear as an adult. I was "redpilled" one this one from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 10:11 PM
1

Rousey and then Bell.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 08:19 AM
1

Sounds like my type tbh. Tradcon-lite urbanite?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 07:41 PM
2

My parents were outright hostile to me just having friends so the girlfriend situation never was discussed. I never had a chance before graduating high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:40 PM
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Religious women want religious men and their religious requirements are on top of and not a replacement of their secular requirements. I need to do a post on this soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 02:50 PM
2

For myself personally I am only 28 but think lifestyle doesn't only push the wall back but can eliminate it entirely. I don't find wrinkles in older women unattractive, just different. For example for this actress https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/IH9kyx83uIzfyX32JGCVuy972lS46jRViMGymTkjaXj-3RycvmqUz-prdG45NHLgylxz7kEgbn9Q-JuR-dx2Bp6apZCdCczdMnv28s4f9iK1TewxggEUxC5LUPJpUchjmg I actually find her more attractive on the left because all of the dirt they rubbed in her face gives her a kinder,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:00 PM
2

Honestly? I prefer "cute" to "handsome" or "hot". And I actually like the "sometimes" part because it hints at personality affecting physical attraction and the way sometimes they're not in the mood to see me around, haha. But yeah I've only had a woman comment on my physical appearance in a positive way if I've already known her for 3-6 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 10:23 AM
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No, it's par for the course. The most attraction a woman has ever felt for me amounts to about "he can be cute at times." You take what you can get . . .
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 08:47 AM
1

Don't get me wrong, the lows as a man are awful I just like having the possibility of greatness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 09:08 AM
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I would turn down the offer-there's no point in giving up the opportunity to be one of the greatest men in history in exchange for a higher floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 07:15 AM
1

I saw through the lies by and large, which is a big part why I'm coping much better than other guys with a level of success/lack of success. One thing that I kind of believed in and see mentioned here is "you need to like yourself before others do." Well, they're almost orthogonal to each. The real lesson is to like yourself, because you don't who (if anyone!) will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 07:41 AM
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Face can be goofy, be needs to be well well-groomed and fit. Should have demonstrated passion, talent and hard work in some area. Formal education not necessarily a requirement but it is highly correlated. Emotionally supportive, capable of being nurturing. Mature socially, speaks her mind, is aware when something is her responsibility. I clean and organize, so she needs to be able to cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 04:36 AM
1

Facial attractiveness can jump majorly for me due to personality or achievements. Attitude works wonders for women. Ever notice the most hyped female celebrities don't necessarily look the best in a flat photo? Body? There's almost no movement there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:07 AM
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No, I have always preferred women to be slightly older than me. I don't find wrinkles unattractive. Long hair and being fit are the only age-related factors for attractiveness for me and these are largely controllable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 09:51 AM
4

I run in Millennial urbanite tradcon circles. The women prefer a virgin but he has to be a virgin because he turned down offers. Otherwise, the attraction just isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:31 AM
2

One of the big takeaways from this subreddit is that I have more of a "female mindset" when it comes to attraction. That type of women is sort of exactly what I am attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 02:33 PM
1

Katherine Waterston before she cut her hair or Karen Gillan.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 03:26 AM
3

In DnD terms . . . you need to optimize yourself as a thief, not a warrior. Try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:43 PM
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1) At least slightly above average intelligence. A degree would be nice but what I'm really looking for is a lifelong learner. 2) Not a doormat but not a so-called "strong independent woman" type either. Someone who is assertive, not passive/aggressive. 3) She needs to be fit. In terms of face I actually appreciate how different we all look from each other. But for physical attraction, she needs to be in as good as shape as I am. EDIT: I myself am someone who is in pretty good shape but has some…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:47 PM
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Remember that time online dating was only used for people of very particular subcultures to find each other? Good times. Put the apps in the trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 07:45 AM
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I actually agree. A lot of nagging is actually constructive criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:20 PM
2

Maybe when I was 18-22 this was true. Nowadays (I'm 28) it takes a lot for me to become attracted to women. I really need emotional attraction and some in-person interaction to feel physically attracted outside of the top 10-20 % of women. Sort of sucks, if I'm honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 02:12 AM
1

Laughing at the other answers in this thread. Get with an alpha female. Duh!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:24 AM
3

Because I want my woman to be "beautiful/sexy/hot" and not me. I like having that differential.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:30 AM
3

I prefer it and "adorable" to "handsome" or "sexy/hot" by a wide margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:15 AM
2

Largely agree. Tiny correction-Einstein was a massive adulterer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 02:25 AM
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No because while women have an advantage in dating, men are largely advantaged in a majority of other areas of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 09:06 PM
3

28.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 09:52 PM
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I think a majority of guys would say 25 is a woman's peak as far as looks. For me it is more like 30. However, psychological effects on physical attraction are real. (i.e. wife goggles)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 08:20 PM
1

Education? Yes. Amount of money? No. I'd prefer a woman with a graduate degree, but a BA/BS is just as good. Money is fairly inconsequential as long her job history shows stability. For example, if the woman has a PhD in English I don't care if she's a high school teacher or a college professor. Both bring positive value to the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 09:48 PM
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Early 40's. Peak is late 20's to early 30's. A woman can easily look 30 for a decade. (Their peak can be maintained like a professional golfer) I'm definitely an outlier on this one, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 05:41 AM
5

I am also perhaps what would be called "trad lite" and can have sympathy, in some areas everyone already knows everyone else in the potential dating circle. There's tremendous pressure to be married before graduating college "a ring by spring" and so on. One thing I have noticed is that some of these women have religious requirements but also the entirely same of secular requirements as the rest of society. You might need to choose 1-2 things to let go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:35 PM
1

Am 5'8", would date between 5' and 6'2". 5'6" is ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:39 AM
4

In high school, I told a female teacher about my depression due to being abused by my mother. Keep in mind teachers are mandatory reporters. Guess what? She still used it against me. Honestly, there's no upside to a man expressing negative emotions to a woman. I wouldn't bother. Don't worry, I'm still in the mourning stage too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 11:41 PM
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Average guy more likely to be a STEM lord than an artist, being with an artist adds variety to his life. There's nothing wrong women in tech but I already interact with these people all day, what's the point of coming home to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:02 PM
5

As I like to say if you want people to like you you'd better start getting comfortable with offending them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 08:47 PM
0

I know, just wanted to pop in and give support because most others are against and it's not a CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 05:12 AM
2

It's liberation. If no one cares where I am, what I'm doing or if I'm even alive . . . then I might as well just do what I wanna do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 04:45 AM
3

I agree but I'm getting the sense more and more meeting a woman like this is asking for more than her being a 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:34 AM
3

The women I am pursuing have kept themselves in good shape, haven't done anything dumb to their hair and have college degrees/careers. Very sweet too (most importantly, really).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:26 AM
8

Am I the only guy (I'm 27 right now) who gets an ego boost when a slightly older (my upper limit is 33 right now) tells me what an interesting and mature guy I am? Is that not the equivalent of an older woman being told she looks better than women younger than her? No?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:33 AM
2

I've started to just ask to meet in person on the 2nd or 3rd message otherwise the messages get less engaged the further the conversation drags on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 04:21 PM
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I don't actually know which app my sister used. All I will say is I've fought for everything is my life and she is legitimately one of the least pro-active people I know. She downloads the app, gets 20 messages the first night. Immediately drops 10 due to no college degree. Talked to 3 regularly and then choose 1 to be her bf. Deletes app. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:55 AM
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Untrue. I have been frequently been told I'm the most interesting (such a cringe word, "interesting") man that woman has ever met. Why do I think this is? Because if you are truly high IQ then you are naturally gifted in all academic fields. Intelligence is generalized and not domain specific. While I do work in STEM I notice that unlike my colleagues I could've gone into the soft sciences or humanities and done just as well. I write, volunteer, play sports etc. in my free time. For the most par…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 05:35 PM
1

(M=114, F=100, M, M, No Pill) Unsurprising for a tradcon-lite.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:21 PM
1

Loving the lower age ranges being reported here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 03:17 AM
0

The average person will be in several categories anything but average, in either the up or down directions. Someone who was average across the board would be perceived as someone trying to act as human rather than being human.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/19 11:18 PM
4

Yes and no. In any case, I'm definitely now convinced women will lie all the time about what they find attractive. Even the circle I date among (i.e. urban Millennial tradcons) are looking for a lot of the stereotypical masculine features, just a different manifestation of it. On the other hand, my theory of "woman want a guy who is capable of being bad but chooses to be over good over a good-natured guy" is defintely confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 12:06 AM
1

It's statistically true that men who have been victims of abuse are much more likely to become abusers. There's an implied threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 09:20 PM
3

You mean like if the authority figure show signs of being human, people lose trust in authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 09:13 PM
1

Gave me a good laugh!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:59 PM
1

This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:58 PM
0

I can't when my words are being twisted out of obtuseness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:57 PM
2

Your deepest darkest secret. Not something you did, something that was done to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:54 PM
2

I'm still in the mourning stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:53 PM
2

Maybe you're right. The wife is the weak link of the three.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:50 PM
2

Wouldn't surprise me. Love your SN, BTW. I wish I could have a woman I could cry in front of. I'm not so sure how realistic that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:39 PM
0

Whiny thoughts can also be very threatening. He's demanding and entrapping a woman into performing emotional labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:38 PM
1

Who said it's necessarily violent thoughts? I only said "negative".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:35 PM
3

Had clinical depression and was treated as a potential school shooter. I think angry guys only become hotter if they were already conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:30 PM
1

Is she not going to "back her man" as much as his mom and sister?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:30 PM
0

Yes. I realized I kept pursuing high-achieving UMC white women exclusively because I hated myself for being born without money, disabled and mixed-race. Stopped doing that and my life got much better as I was then enough for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:08 PM
1

Not an LTR but there was this woman who got angry at me for telling her about how rough my home life was. Years later, when she gained a good 20-30 pounds I must admit I smiled inside. Just a bit. Not proud of it, but it's what I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 06:56 PM
1

Sorry it's just a general pet peeve. Never heard that word used in the dating context at all prior to the last 3-5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:05 PM
1

There's that word again . . . "interesting" . . . ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:17 AM
4

Always been a fan of the runner body myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 09:48 PM
2

Yes, I left out the "not". I hope I didn't come across as too pessimistic. Honestly, I'm not too involved with the undergrads here and my department is 80% male. STEM guys need to look outside the department. I am involved in the community through church and volunteering and several potential options incubating as we speak. I do need to get back into hooping but I'm in good shape, 5'8", 160 pounds. Face is a little unconventional more in a goofy than hideous way. Can be cute to some. Maybe could…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 01:42 AM
1

I agree with all of this. But I'm exactly flooded with options. Keep in mind some women who go to college and just going with the flow and doing it because that's what UMC kids do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 06:04 PM
1

I am in process of getting my PhD. If two women are the same in other aspect I'd prefer the one with more formal education. However, I will never have such a luxury. That would just be condemning myself to being a cat dad. Even having an undergrad degree is only a soft requirement for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:28 AM
1

Would love to know more about the 50's STEM nerds especially in light of recent (rediscovered?) allegations against Feynman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:28 PM
2

Worst part is, they didn't like how hard I was working in school either. Just not my biggest fans, what can I say. Have met some cool male role models later in life, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 05:18 AM
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My parents didn't even like the idea of me having friends so I never had the GF discussion with them. My mom even asked me if I was gay. College was more of me needing to stay focused on getting out, there was no time for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 12:25 AM
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It was never an intentional option. Family had no money and home was not a happy place. I saw getting an engineering degree as the straight and narrow path to escape, just focused on school. Eventually I had mental breakdown and ended up drifting for awhile anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 04:44 AM
2

Late 20's - Early 30's. I am 27 but I have felt this way since I was 19. The peak can be maintained into the early 40's (like a golfer) and then without good genetics and/or maintenance, the crash is hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 06:22 AM
0

Because sexual dimorphism and symmetry isn't as important as you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 10:25 AM
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