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DebateGH0STRIDER579/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 09:17 PM
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Red pill did not exist in the ancient world. Red pill as we know it is a toolbox, borrowing wisdom and fact where it's useful and discarding what isn't. All of those men contributed lessons to history which red pill acknowledges and learns from. This is not the same thing as endorsing everything they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:08 AM
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No. I am claiming those men were real people who physically and tangibly existed, with direct archeological evidence, and were extensively documented in historical record, and that they represent moral virtues that red pilled men can take inspiration from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:47 AM
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What feats am I claiming? Be specific. I will however affirm that you are a mentally ill woman arguing with caricatures inside your head you project onto people on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:43 AM
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All these men were very much real, and their accomplishments can be studied in pretty much any major university classics course. I can promise you the classics were not mythological figures, which is something you should've already known unless you're not as "sharp" an engineer as you think you are. Also, I'm not even trying to date women so your flaccid attempt at a jab missed by a mile.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:32 AM
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Marcus Aurelius. Marcus Antonius. Gaius Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar Germanicus. Augustus Caesar. Trajanus. Hadrianus. Plenty of moral and powerful icons redpill can draw inspiration from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:36 PM
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In case you aren't literate, I'm not OP. Adding nuance to his views isn't the same as sharing all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:14 PM
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Holy mother of straw man arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:00 PM
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I'm going hiking next month with the boys and shooting machine guns with them. If this is what "loneliness with other men" looks like, I'd consistently choose it over... whatever the fuck spending even a single day with you would be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:29 AM
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The only reason you should ever have to improve is because you want to, or because you need something to advance your own welfare. If my standards differ from those of the people around me by a significant margin, well...society can get fucked for all I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 03:54 AM
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Trying to be the best version of myself is pretty much what gets me motivated to literally do anything with my time By whose standards? Your own? Those around you? Or society's standard's? I'm not opposed to improving, and in fact I'm all for it. I'm verbalizing I will only do it according to my own standards as I personally see fit, and no one else's - not a hypothetical woman's standards, not my neighbor's standards, not your standards, or those of the general public. What else is there to eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 03:46 AM
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It's not really interesting at all. A job, or more broadly a career, is a means to an end and where you want to be in life, and I get what I'm looking for. Whereas there is no person on Earth who could possibly give me what I'd be looking for in a relationship, and therefore I don't look for it, and neither do I expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 11:26 PM
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The most succesful socities are those in which the individual is the focus, not the collective. History is evidently clear about this. Roman collectivism triumphed over Gallic and Germanic individualism, and Rome was so successful that even today, we still use their alphabet and parts of their legal system. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:20 PM
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I'm way too proud and stubborn to change even a single thing about myself to attract a romantic partner. I'd legitimately rather just check out and not compete at all than to jump through hurdles and "self improve" to fit anyone's standards beyond my own (or my employer's lel). But I get that this means I don't get to complain, so I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:19 PM
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It's subjective for sure, but there's a rough ballpark estimate. Fit men tend to pair with fit women for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:17 PM
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Nah, most women both online and in real life admit they don't find most men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:04 PM
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Lol you literally just proved him correct and were too stupid to realize it. Yes, women in America are having less kids, ergo America is a dying culture and will have less cultural and political influence in the far future. Demographics is destiny, and the values of the people who either have less kids or no kids will be replaced by the values of people who have more kids. That's how history has always worked, and always will. Have a well developed cerebrum so that we aren't ruled by biology Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:03 AM
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If it's valuable, it must provide something tangible. Does not logically follow. A thing does not need to provide tangible utility to have value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:58 AM
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Yeah that's the thing right? Other people may not approve of what you do, but their opinions don't actually matter. It's not like they're people actively involved in your day to day life anyways, or that you interact with them anywhere off the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:07 PM
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I do believe that most men will have a real romantic experience at SOME point in their life, which is statistically accurate, and when that time comes, AIGF might have influenced the user negatively. Then you're discussing something off topic, because the target audience of AI companions is men for whom "RealGF" will never come.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:55 PM
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You are a moron who can't even argue a consistent point. In one comment you say the bar is in hell and women's standards have never been lower, but in another comment you admit being fit and well groomed isn't enough, because you're supposed to be exceptional. Both statements cannot be true at the same time. Either pick one, or fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:48 PM
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We do think it's okay. The US prison system is partially glorified slave labor for example, and nobody bats an eye because they're felons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:44 PM
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Ironically, you basing your life decisions according to what is socially acceptable and the consensus makes you the weakest man among the rest of us here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:43 PM
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Cool, but that's not our problem. We don't owe you anything. I'm not responsible for other men's actions, and neither do I have an obligation to accommodate your trauma and baggage. The only responsibility I have is to not be an abuser. That doesn't preclude me from filtering for baggage however.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 08:21 PM
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You realize this makes a very rational case for men preferring women with as little relationship experience, and therefore as little baggage, as possible right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:16 PM
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And how are men supposed to know whether a woman is receptive, interested, or attracted without first expressing his own interest? This self-contradicting mixed social messaging of simultaneously expecting men to be proactive pursuers but also shaming them when the woman isn't attracted or interested is why so many young men just decide it's easier and less hassle to try their luck on dating apps, get bad results, then check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:51 PM
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The last few lines are poignant. If you're not an attractive man, society would rather you just didn't have a sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:05 PM
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I've been celibate for my whole life. I'm not saying it's impossible, but definitely not for the ordinary person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:32 PM
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I think they're advocating for off the grid living because that's what makes sense in context. If you feel like participating in a capitalist society makes you a slave, then find a way to live and support yourself that doesn't require paying taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:21 PM
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I don't recommend doing what monks do or committing to actual lifelong celibacy, actually avoiding all sex and relationships for the rest of your life, unless you have exceptionally strong mental discipline around self denial that usually comes with religion. Typically always when you see people making vows of celibacy, it's for religious purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:14 PM
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That's a valid option. Just do whatever feels right for you and what you feel you're good at. Just because you missed the boat for one thing doesn't mean every other opportunity has left.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:19 AM
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Can't teach an old dog new tricks. That's why they say late bloomers are losers. Chances are, if you waited too long, then you missed the bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:10 AM
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It's way harder if you waited until you're older and your mind is fully formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:31 PM
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This post was never about incels specifically. Why is it so difficult for YOU to stay on topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:21 PM
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>Guy here so feel free to ignore the following Jesus fucking Christ dude grow a backbone and get some self-respect. Your opinion isn't less valid just because you're a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 10:20 AM
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Idk. I don't think it tops the day your mother presented you to your father.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 10:15 AM
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It's an AI model of some kind. But he's not even trying to hide it so honestly, I think he's trolling. Probably just trying to farm ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:55 AM
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If you read through his comments on here btw, it's an AI lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:15 AM
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No he’s not. OP commented on another post how he wants to “breed” a minimum of 30 women this year alone. Oh, then he's a piece of shit degenerate scumbag. But the premise of this specific post is still true: women are strong and independent individuals who can do anything they want without a man. This includes having and raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:42 AM
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If you don't care about the birth rate, then the suggested policies aren't aimed at you. From a government perspective, the question is what policies should be passed to encourage women to have kids to increase the birth rate. It's not all about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:16 AM
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I think he's arguing in favor of more benefits for single mothers to make it possible. Tax breaks could be one suggestion or even government grants for having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:15 AM
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He's arguing you could have them without men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:14 AM
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I think he's arguing in favor of more social benefits for single mothers that would make it possible. Tax breaks could be another suggestion, or even financial aid on housing payments based on the number of kids
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:12 AM
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Women are strong, and can do anything they want without a man. Naturally, this includes raising a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:11 AM
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I thought women could do anything they wanted without a man, and the progressive thing to do was to embrace alternate family structures including single parent households? Naturally, this should include raising a child without a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:10 AM
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What's the alternative--decide at 25 to be single for life? Actually, for a non zero number of men that OP's situation applies to, unironically yes. Life isn't fair, and if you made it to 25-30 as a guy without ever having had ONE relationship, it's time to stop coping and come to grips with reality: you made choices in life that left you single, and now your remaining pool of partners is significantly smaller. In that situation, some men may very well find it preferable to stay single for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 10:16 AM
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This is incredibly outdated. We've moved beyond marriage and relationships being rite of passages at least fifty years ago. Life today is about individual self actualization, self expression, and pursuit of happiness with or without a relationship. In other words, it's not an expectation or a requirement for people to date or marry anymore. Therefore, it's not a "step in life." It's just an option that's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 06:20 PM
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Then why not keep relationships and sex separate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:52 AM
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Do you cook Italian or American?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:49 AM
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Nothing, but it's all good because I don't date anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:48 AM
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You're confusing abstinence with celibacy. Abstinence means no sex before marriage. Celibacy is no sex or romantic relationships at all
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:34 AM
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You're confusing a hooker for an escort. The people you're describing fit the first category a lot better and are what people think about when they think of sex workers who streetwalk. Escorts are different because they're almost always working voluntarily, are very expensive (much more so than streetwalkers), and usually sleep with rich clients such as politicians and arab princes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:49 AM
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Because women say all the time, even in here, they expect men to approach and aren't attracted to men who don't take initiative
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 04:37 PM
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Yes. It applies to men and women both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:27 AM
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Like it’s normal to not like something you don’t want?? Women aren't the ones playing flip a coin guessing whether someone will be attracted to them or not because they're not the ones socially expected to approach. Men are. If you don't like the unwanted attention, stop expecting men to approach and do some of it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:07 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:47 PM
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Sure, but you shouldn't complain that men are attracted to the things they are then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:16 PM
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Are you talking physically or other things? I'm literally 15% bodyfat with a visible six pack, bench 1.3x my bodyweight, squat 1.75x my bodyweight, and celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:13 PM
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I have a six pack and I'm a virgin. Going to the gym and maintaining your hygiene only gets you so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:49 PM
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No. Two people who are physically similar but in wildly different socioeconomic groups aren't competing in the same league. That's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:01 AM
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This is what you call aiming above your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 02:03 AM
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Strictly speaking? If survival is where you draw the line? You don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:19 AM
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There is academic and sociopolitical value in discussing these things - just not with you. You don't have a worthwhile opinion to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:18 AM
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If survival is where you draw the line at actual needs, do you need anything other than lukewarm water, protein shakes, and maybe a stick and a cloth? And no, the state does not have an obligation to meet your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:57 AM
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No. I'm showing that you're making a ridiculous argument by shifting goalposts without actually making a convincing case for what separates a need from a want. You argue that food and water are needs because you can't physically survive without them, yet you interestingly refuse to answer why survival is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:33 AM
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Why do you need food? Yes, you'll die without it, but why does that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:30 AM
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Everything is a want, even survival. If you really want to take a reductive and impartial attitude, not even food and water are objectively needs, because you don't need to live. Why do you need to stay alive? Objectively speaking? But even if I concede survival to you for a moment, why do you need anything apart from existing inside of a cage subsisting on water and protein shakes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:28 AM
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By this reductive reasoning, you don't actually need to eat or drink anything apart from lukewarm water and protein shakes for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:18 AM
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It is amazing to me how many people in this sub conflate a thing being a need with a moral duty for others to meet it. One can indeed acknowledge something is a need without imposing moral duties onto other people to satisfy those needs. Outside of sex and companionship for example, food, clean water, housing, clothing, and money are needs, but nobody is actually obligated to give any of those things to you. In fact, I'm morally within my rights to walk past a starving, naked homeless person and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:02 AM
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Sure, and men are equally within their rights to complain when women demand money, because they too aren't what men who are "resentful of providing" are looking for. Women who complain that men want things in return when they demand money from them also write their own stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:43 AM
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Cool, so don't complain when men demand sex, or act like you're dumbfounded that affection and attention do not, in fact, cost $0.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:22 AM
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I like how you completely deflected from my point to make it about women again when I counteracted your argument about resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:14 AM
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>and to stop resenting the idea of providing You're asking men to essentially not look for the same emotional security from their partners women expect from theirs. Men don't resent the act of providing itself. They resent the fact they wouldn't have been chosen if they weren't established. It's a similar insecurity to what you talked about, except it's "if she expects me to provide, would she even be attracted to me/love me if I didn't have any money?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:34 AM
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The OP is specifically addressing women who explicitly expect men to always pay. Please stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:08 AM
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She's still putting a price on herself by expecting a man to always pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:02 AM
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It is a waste of time to get a six pack for women if that's all you do lol. And also yes, speaking from experience, holding off on engaging with women until X milestone has been reached is usually accompanied with that milestone shifting farther downwards every time you meet it, resulting in an endless rat race of self impr00000vement. First it's money, then it's career, then it's a nicer place, then it's a nicer car, then it's XYZ until you're basically coping and making excuses to never try.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:20 AM
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I don't give a fuck what other guys' standards are because it doesn't directly affect me. I choose partners based on my standards, and not other men's standards. If a woman thinks she can use the approval of other men to be shitty to me and expect more from me than what she herself brings to the table, she can fuck off. I don't care how good she looks. If I want to see a good-looking woman, I already have the internet, or I can go to Vegas. If a woman is interested in a relationship with me, she…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:31 PM
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when men aren’t interested in anything else and say so? Lol speaking for myself, if a woman had nothing else to bring besides her looks, her competition is a jpg, and the picture is always winning because it's less annoying than a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:17 PM
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Things were better in the past. Things change, and some changes need to be rolled back.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:29 PM
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If you aren't ready to put aside your happiness to submit to a permanent commitment to family above yourself, you aren't fit for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:26 PM
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Then you're suspicious of anyone who values things more than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:41 AM
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People rightfully tend to be judged when they end permanent commitments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:38 AM
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Women and honor don't mix. The women in this thread demonstrate very well they fundamentally do not value anything above their personal happiness as if they base their entire value system off of a hedonistic sense of pursuit of pleasure. The very concept and value of self-sacrifice is lost on them, hence why women make for terrible soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:38 AM
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I fundamentally reject the idea that life is about the pursuit of happiness, or that the purpose of marriage is the happiness of either partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:27 AM
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When I'm horny, I just jack off. I don't need to involve another person in it. Giving up for me during my journey also included separating my libido from the desire to involve other people with it. Part of that also meant redirecting my sexuality from women to more abstract ideas. Sometimes, I use it as a reward for a good workout now, or when I need to go to sleep. Eventually, I trained myself not to even think of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:14 AM
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Not for me no. When I was in high school I got zero attention. So even if it's a man's peak, supposedly, ten times zero is still zero, so I just didn't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:38 PM
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All a lady needs to do is tell the manager or owner such and such makes her feel uncomfortable, and as a business owner they usually decide to play it ultra safe and kick him out rather than facing liability, especially if she decides to take to social media and flame the business for "housing creeps."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:55 AM
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Yeah this right here. When I'm at the gym, I'm locked in and I want to be in and out by around an hour and thirty minutes. Any longer than that and my workout will eat into my schedule. I've got a set time block during my day for me to work out and it becomes an annoyance when things take longer than they need to, especially if something important is scheduled afterwards and too much socializing means I have to skip a workout movement or a few sets.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:54 AM
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Because I stopped caring after around high school, so dating, sex, and relationships stopped being a priority or even important to me. Thus nowadays whenever I see attractive women, I just admire them for the three seconds I see them then continue on with my day. On top of that, I don't think approaching random women you don't know in public non-social areas like grocery stores, gyms, libraries, restaurants, or parks is appropriate. I'm pretty anti-social anyways, and despite knowing that I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:50 AM
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Men aren't monolithic and have common interests by virtue of their gender, and insisting that voting Trump is "against male interests" simply because most poor people are men, and most illegal immigrants being reported are men, is nebulous for the same reason saying religion is pro-woman because most church attendance is made up of women. Most of the rich who benefit from his policies are also men, with their own interests, and are no less men than the bottom 5% who are affected by his policies.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:36 PM
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This is just a combination of brain elasticity and an example of how your mindset changes once you've normalized something and internalized it as a truth, and is also one of the ways you can be stoic about something. At the end of the day, it's not worth wasting time and energy stressing about things you cannot change. If you're unattractive and there's nothing you can do to make yourself attractive, or you just don't want to, then there's little use worrying about it further. Similar to OP, wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:31 PM
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Fine. Guilty as charged. I will gladly vote against "men's" interests as long as it means voting opposite of OP consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:24 PM
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All sex is transactional insomuch as all relationships are transactional. Nobody involves themselves with other people for free. You need to add value in some way before someone will have a relationship with you. Sex work is just one specific form of transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:43 PM
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Also, banging hookers doesn’t seem like a healthy thing to do to while youre “trying to find your soulmate.” If you're not being a retard about it, then it's neither healthy nor unhealthy. It's just something you can do. Also, soulmates don't exist. OP is smoking some shit with that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:23 AM
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That makes sense. On that topic though, it's usually a fearful avoidant or anxiety personality conflicting with a desire for sexual or physical connection, and if fear and anxiety wins, then they avoid and don't take action. A lot of times, if it's not behaviorally conditioned, it's a genetic thing, so I'd compare it to a disorder or a disability compared to others who do not struggle with such feelings. It sucks, much like how someone born with missing legs might want to play sports, but have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:42 PM
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Even interpreting it that way, your comment is still flawed because insecurities, jealousy, people comparing themselves to Chad, and any of the other things you mentioned aren't exhaustive or fully capture why many people in today's generation adopt passive approaches to dating. While those things exist, we also live in a highly competitive capitalistic society that emphasizes professional accomplishments, and so many men choose to date passively because sex and relationships simply just aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:14 PM
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Whether something is worth the effort or not is a relative question that ultimately only the individual can answer. For some men, no relationship, not even the best ones, are worth the risk and discomfort of initiating and the work it takes to become attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 06:23 PM
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Being passive isn't victim culture. It's not placing sex on a pedestal and prioritizing other things in life over relationships and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:39 PM
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Other way around. Red pill claims average men in the modern dating market are matched with below average women due to hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:11 PM
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Nuance. Dating apps don't work for the overwhelming majority of men. They obviously work for the top 15-20%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:01 PM
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"If you're black and shaming people, your race is fair game for shaming."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:38 PM
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Damn, you just dropped some heavy truth there, but let me flip this on its head real quick. You're talking about men needing women for validation like it's some unique male weakness. Let's get real - HUMANS need validation. Period. The problem isn't wanting validation; it's outsourcing your entire self-worth to someone else's opinion of you. Here's where your perspective needs a reality check though - you're coming at this from such a place of judgment that you're missing the bigger picture. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:08 AM
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Why is this a problem though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:27 AM
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I'm a dude who chose A because I refuse to initiate or approach under any circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:22 AM
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A. It's basically doing what I'm already doing anyways but now with the chance of a relationship with a woman I'm attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:21 AM
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What does that have to do with your earlier comment? The point stands, for incels, doomscrolling TwoX and TikTok is still a better use of their time than trying to get laid, because they're not people that women want to be around. That men don't want to be around them either doesn't change the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:52 PM
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>Making yourself someone that no sane person wants to be around is in no way a good way to spend your time. They're *already* people women don't want to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:25 PM
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What, in your experience, was holding them back?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:58 PM
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half the men here spend more time mining TwoX and TikTok for things to get angry about than they spend on trying to get laid. That's probably still a better use of their time than trying to get laid. Women tend not to like those men anyways so asking them to try to get laid is asking them to part the red sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:40 AM
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I'm responding to the last sentence of your comment. Don't be disingenuous. Incels fit the definition of "people who will not experience relationships."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:55 PM
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You're talking to people who've been celibate their whole lives when you browse this sub. Just to put things in perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:52 PM
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You'd get the opposite impression reading this subreddit. If you're an incel, or someone who romantically struggles, people think there's something wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:51 PM
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Do you work with disabled people or something? It sounds like you work with people who are mentally or physically handicapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:18 PM
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This is true for almost anything in life. Someone who's romantically challenged may be sad about missing out because they're missing that something they need to be sexually successful, or maybe they have something holding them back. But how do you think people born with no legs feel? Or people born blind? I'm sure it feels saddening to never be able to walk, to go on hikes into beautiful terrain or to see natural scenery or horizons in your life. IMO it's okay to be sad about it, but you shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:17 PM
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People choose to be single for different reasons, whether they're fulfilled by it or merely content by it. Some of them are the people you're talking about. They're picky, but have nothing to offer, so they choose to remain single. And IMO, everyone should be picky, especially for LTRs. Getting into a relationship with someone you're not physically attracted to just to tick off a box is never a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:42 PM
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Я согласен. Мне кажется что жизнь в США, это не полезная для моего психического здоровья. Я чувствую, как здесь мне лучше сдаться и продолжать жизни без женщин, но может быть это значение Американского общества. Я считаю ты пишешь правду. Моё психическое здоровье станет лучшим заграницей.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 01:53 AM
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Tbh a lot of the struggling men here and around the world who feel sad about being romantically left out could use some stoicism. Ultimately when you realize and understand that you can't personally control whether other people find you attractive or not, you begin to give yourself the tools to let go, because you can only judge yourself for the choices you make for the things you can actually do something about. If you genuinely cannot do something to change an outcome of something, then there'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:23 PM
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Roma pilled yes. I'm a neo-Classicist and heavily base my personal values and beliefs around Roman ones, and by extension the Greek and Roman Orthodox Catholic Churches.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:52 AM
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Like I said in the other thread. I've decided the only way I'm going to date is if I'm approached by a woman and there's mutual attraction. If it doesn't happen, then I've made my peace with remaining single. I don't like modern dating culture, don't want to have to be the proactive one initiating contact and approaching, don't like attraction patterns and how the biological norms around sex and attraction haven't caught up with civilization and still operate on prehistoric norms, and therefore …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 07:10 PM
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Right? Seems like an awfully important detail to omit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 05:44 PM
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I'm speaking for myself, and not a general group. You should "shut up" and learn to do the same. If you want to approach, then fine. Knock yourself out. I'm not because I don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:29 PM
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If you're looking for a proactive guy to lead you in mostly everything in a relationship, then yeah I'm not the one, nor am I trying to be. If I was going to be in a relationship, I'd want an equal co-partner. I'm not desperate enough to check off a box of being in a relationship to fundamentally change who I am and my whole personality to force myself into a mould to become somebody I'm not to settle for a relationship model I didn't actually want to begin with. So again, either she approaches …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:28 PM
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Here's what's actually happening: The desire for the girl is REAL AF The fear of approaching is ALSO real AF And sometimes fear wins the cage match It's not about how much they want it - it's about whether their fear response is stronger than their approach response. Some of the most passionate people have the strongest fear responses. Think about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:24 AM
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>They could man up and do what women want Doing what other people want and basing your life off of other people's opinions isn't a "manly" thing to do. I'm socially avoidant and prefer to be approached than to be the one approaching, and if that means I'm going to be single, then so be it. I'm not complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:16 AM
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You didn't read what I wrote. I said they either ask me out, or I'm fine remaining single for the rest of my life. I'm not assuming anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 07:50 AM
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I have fun and exciting hobbies I find fulfilling, and an enjoyable career path (that's not working for a soulless corporation) I find meaningful. I'll be fine. I'm already mentally prepared for celibacy which is why I don't engage here as often as I used to anymore. I've kind of just accepted it already and am currently working on moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:53 PM
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I don't see how that's specifically relevant to your brother unless he was actively reading it and developed conscious feelings of negative self image and feels intimidated by women. Is that what's happening? Outside of reddit I only ever see the occasional reel or short about height and income. But usually most men do fine. So he'd have to be actively looking for it to be affected by that kind of messaging. Does he doomscroll?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:10 PM
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I've decided that the only way I'd ever consider actually dating is if the woman was proactive and expressed interest in me, and there was mutual attraction. If not, then I'm fine with remaining single for the rest of my life, and it would actually be more convenient for me at this point. I'm anathemic to approaching and refuse to do it. I'm 27 years old, so late millennial early gen Z. If more young men began to think like me, then I could see more social pressure on women being proactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:07 PM
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How are incels poisoning your brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:02 PM
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How much would it help struggling incels/unattractive men if an attractive/handsome man voluntarily chooses not to date, removing himself as an option and competition?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:02 PM
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What's wrong with your brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 06:48 PM
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The good news is autistic people are used to solitude so while realizing you're going to be celibate can be a hard pill, eventually they can cope. Honestly being left out from sex and romance isn't the worst thing in the world all things considered. You're going to feel like you're missing out, especially if you're surrounded by people in relationships, but it's nothing someone autistic isn't equipped to eventually cope with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:20 PM
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Why? People are neither owed a relationship nor are they required to be in one to live a happy and fulfilling life. I don't think I'm missing out on anything essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:26 AM
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I don't. They'll either ask me out, or I'll stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:19 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:06 AM
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In a dating context, the problem with autistic men isn't so much that they're always unpleasant to interact with. The problem is that they're just not socially attractive, and therefore not sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 06:41 AM
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You're being obtuse. A general practice adhered to by a majority of people who make up society is society doing something. If parents as a general group did something, then society did it, because parents make up society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:53 AM
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50 years ago it was common for parents and entire communities to force their children outside and for them to sign their kids up to sporting events or clubs. That doesn't happen today nearly as much as it does. You can also go full mainland China and ban video games past a certain time limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:48 AM
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...yes you can lol. In fact people did 50 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:42 AM
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Lady, I am literally shredded and muscular and I've been on zero dates. Anecdotally, it's a waste of time to go to the gym for women. If you're going to workout, do it for yourself, and not for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:32 AM
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It's not that you're seen as socially undesirable and subject to mistreatment. You'll simply be left out of sexual interactions but otherwise have a normal life available to you. Nobody is going to discriminate against you doing your hobbies or at work just because you're not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:30 AM
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I mean, I'm 27 years old and I've never gone out on a date because I'm still working on myself. I didn't say it was timely in today's economy lol. I was sharing because I'm challenging the sentiment that it isn't commonly held anymore. It's what I was taught to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:25 AM
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Then what's the controversy about how this supposedly doesn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 10:55 AM
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Strange. I was always taught to work on myself and become stable and independent before I can care for others and welcome them into my life. I was always discouraged from dating until I moved out, got a job that could provide, and became a stable and independent adult because that's what my father did and my grandfather before him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 06:57 AM
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If going by dating apps, then yes. I don't find any of my (limited) likes attractive. If going by real life, I have no idea what my league even is, because I don't date, approach, or interact with women outside of a professional context.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:13 PM
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At this point I'd rather not be a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 08:50 AM
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I wouldn't have even gotten this far. If she's attractive, then she's out of my league and I wouldn't be dating her. She's whatever YOU find attractive Yeah, so out of my league
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 08:35 AM
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Yes, easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:44 AM
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When women can get an education, job, bank account, buy a home, have kids etc all without a man, why put up with anything. You're right. Women have outgrown the need for men and no longer need marriage or relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:31 AM
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I speak for all the older mothers, women, and people you accuse me of seeing as "human garbage" in my family and community when I say we don't care if you specifically bleed out and die. I don't think women are human garbage. But democrats come very close along with socialists, communists, and anybody who believes in natural equality ideology. You don't represent my mom, my grandmothers, aunts, siblings, or cousins. Fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:21 PM
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I never did. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:14 PM
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Boo hoo. You can't murder your unborn child. Suck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:11 PM
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There's something very wrong with you if you can't physically exist within or continue a relationship without having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:08 PM
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The woman I'm responding to is talking about having abortions because she simply doesn't want the child. This is shifting the goalposts especially when less than 1% of abortions occur to save the life of the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:03 PM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:01 PM
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It’s not going to be less casual sex, it’s going to be more divorces because couples don’t want to risk the woman dying incase she gets pregnant ????? You're telling me married women with children are going to break up their marriages instead of... simply not having sex? And you expect sympathy? Just lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:01 PM
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Or just don't have sex until you're with a monogamous partner and ready to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:10 AM
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The reason he's making the comparison is because many men see women having multiple partners as being against their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:51 AM
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No. You're literally telling dudes to lower their standards if they want relationships, which is akin to telling them to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:48 AM
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He's returning to OP the same energy she's giving out. She's literally telling dudes to settle for women they're not attracted to, albeit by disguising it as an attack on their perceived attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:11 PM
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You're not even using the word "asexual" correctly so I don't think you get to call anybody here dense you stubborn dolt. The fact that you're trying to convince someone with a normal libido and who's sexually attracted to women he's "asexual" proves you don't have a serious or worthwhile opinion to contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:25 AM
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I would rather be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:08 PM
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1) not relevant 2) not relevant 2) does not logically follow. This is as dumb as saying "my dog is asexual because I had him neutered." Asexual means a species which reproduces without sexual activity. Stop bastardizing words. I'm not asexual just because I don't pursue women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:01 PM
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This is such a reddit take. Humans aren't asexual because we can't reproduce by budding. If you experience low to no sexual desire, you're not asexual. You're just low libido or sexually inhibited. I've got a normal libido and feel sexual attraction to women. Except in the last ten years, there hasn't been a single one that's been interesting enough for me to pursue, and half of that is because I hate pursuing people to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 08:33 PM
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Can't think of a single individual woman that's drawn my attention within the last 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 07:20 PM
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That's the point. Neither. If these are my options then I'm staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 07:19 PM
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Still disqualifies her if he's looking to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 05:07 PM
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All these Q4Ms are making me stop and question whether I even like women anywhere near what I thought I did, at least beyond looking at them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:57 PM
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Athletic and fit/toned, hourglass voluptuous, boobs, smooth skin, straight black long or bobbed hair, and above all a seductive and confident personality balanced with wisdom and a strong sense of worldliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 11:43 PM
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Yeah, that's why she's a robot and not a real woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 07:10 AM
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If you don't want to compromise with a real woman, don't want to have to argue with someone, or if you want something that's resembling unconditional love, then sure, a language-learning model programmed to mimic a loving partner could be the option for you. Tradeoffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:20 AM
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Yeah I disagree with the OP on that caveat. If you're a below average/unattractive man who wants something resembling romantic interest, and it's unavailable to you, then a virtual AI girlfriend can be a stand-in. Even if it's not as good as the "real thing," it's still better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:04 AM
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It's a win-win situation IMO. Men who have options will likely prefer real women, and there's nothing stopping them from pursuing real relationships. This just sounds like it's, as you said, a niche option for below average / unattractive men who have no options and either can't or won't become attractive to real women, so they have something resembling a relationship they can cope with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 12:41 AM
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>All I’m saying is that the AI girlfriend will have serious drawbacks so guys looking for relationships won’t want one This is for men with no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 12:39 AM
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You don't have a moral duty to provide for the needs of every human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:24 PM
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There is no such moral duty to fulfill others' needs. Everything else you wrote is a fallacy which follows from that incorrect premise. Just because someone claims sex is a need does not follow there is a moral duty to provide it in the same way nobody is actually obligated to provide clean water or food to starving children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:13 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:03 AM
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It depends on the religion itself. In my community, divorce itself isn't permitted, but separation is possible. Essentially, you can get divorced in the sense that you no longer live with your spouse or include them in your daily life, but you're forbidden to remarry. You get one shot at marriage, and if it doesn't work, then you literally have a moral duty to stay celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:39 AM
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Divorce isn't frowned upon in religious communities because you're expected to be happy with your partner all the time. It's frowned upon because your duty to your family is unconditional, and more important than your duty even to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:21 AM
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You're not going to find unconditional love in a romantic sense kid. If that's what you want, become a monk or a priest and dedicate your life to religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:18 AM
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It exists but only in a religious sense, and is understood to be more descriptive of a relationship between you and God and not romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:16 AM
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The standards will shift as more people are either voluntarily or involuntarily selected out of the reproductive cycle. Lets not pretend the women who survive into the next few generations are going to share the standards of those past failed women who voluntarily selected themselves out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:57 PM
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Then those women get what they want, and their genes don't continue onto the next generation. It's a self-solving problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:53 PM
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She's talking about becoming a lesbian lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:52 PM
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These sound like much more reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:46 PM
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That's not the issue. The issue is dating apps are for-profit and don't monetarily benefit from implementing restrictions like that, which is what I addressed in my original comment. In fact, the longer it takes for people to find matches, the more money they make, as people are much less likely to pay for premium versions of the app if they can find quality partners and matches shortly after installing the free version. Therefore, dating apps have every incentive to keep struggling and desperat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:07 PM
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They can't register accounts until enough women make accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:27 PM
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That's not what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:59 PM
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Dating apps would work a lot better if they capped the number of male accounts that could even use them to be roughly equal to their female accounts, but this is something that could be written on a list of things that will never happen because it would run counter to their for profit model.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 06:10 PM
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In other words...yes suppress your emotions and be prepared for hypergamy...if you specifically want to date conservative women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:37 PM
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just like my alone time and not having to compromise. Then it sounds like relationships aren't for you, because a relationship where you don't have to compromise doesn't exist, and that's okay. Dating and relationships aren't mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:33 AM
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I took that as an exaggeration... You should take an ESL course and learn to read instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:15 PM
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I think basic ESL skills should be a standard to reply to my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:00 PM
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Both you and your friends' opinions aren't relevant if you're not actively dating, or even the dating demographic that men like the guy you're responding to are interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:58 PM
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At that point, I'd reevaluate and question whether romantic relationships are even for you, because nobody is 100% compatible. Soulmates don't exist. Real relationships require compromise and give and take. If that doesn't sound like it's for you, then that's fine. They're not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:36 PM
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Honestly, claiming that women's standards are "delusional" is a huge red flag. Depends on what those standards are. You aren't entitled to a relationship. Nobody said otherwise. You're not entitled to food, water, or even basic human rights either, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:01 PM
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When you talk about femininity are you referring to aesthetic? Aesthetic and personality. I like women who are bubbly, giggly, into soft and cute things, like pink, shy, and make me want to smother them with hugs and kisses and protect them. That seems in direct conflict with the very definition Not always. You can be aggressively feminine and have a personality and opinion, like a cute tsundere type with obsessive personality archetype and female competitiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:28 PM
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Submissive - ish but with her own opinions and not afraid to call me out on my shit if I'm acting dumb one day. Feminine is a definite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 04:47 PM
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Apparently not, because common discourse among women in this sub is that it's mostly a one sided relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 02:09 PM
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What does the woman get in all of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:22 PM
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How the fuck does selecting for 2-3 remove 80% of men from the entire dating pool in your twisted view?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 08:16 PM
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So what do you propose for the bottom 80% of women? Because generally speaking those top 20% men will want top 20% women for monogamous marriages too, so what's for everyone else? Polygamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:27 PM
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Do you judge men for seeing sex workers? Only asking because there was a previous thread about it which might suggest sexual past does indeed matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 11:03 AM
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Then you would be a terrible mother and should do the world a favor and have your tubes tied.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:45 AM
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You're a piece of shit person if you would throw your own son under the bus with no evidence based on words from a stranger, and don't deserve to be a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:41 AM
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So you're basically going to be the parent on her knees begging for forgiveness if forensic evidence comes back which proves your hypothetical son was innocent, and in that moment he would be right to cut you off permanently
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:53 AM
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You still had a chance with many women prior to prostitutes. This is you virtue signaling. There's no way for you to know that and stating this as an impersonal fact is bad faith argumentation. The fact remains: if you are *already* unfuckable and unloveable before prostitutes, you lose nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:20 AM
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Does not logically follow. Just because it's possible for casual sex to lead to relationships does not logically follow that most people in relationships have had casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:29 AM
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Who the hell said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:50 PM
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Because they're the relevant demographic for this topic. Generally speaking, men who have no options besides sex workers are gross. Additionally, the open secret online is that many men who are terminally online and subscribe to redpill talking points use it as a mask for their own ugliness. They hide behind "self improvement" as an identity because deep down they believe they *are* ugly and gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:28 PM
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I don't think there's such thing as a gross loser woman who has no options besides gross loser men except for a very very small minority of women who aren't statistically relevant. Most women will have average men in their dating pool simply because men are less selective than women and women are almost always universally more desirable than men. But in any case, I'm not talking about women at all. I'm pointing out you're asking the questions you do because you're too attractive to even encounte…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:22 PM
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You mean gross loser men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:15 PM
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If you're a conventionally attractive woman who would rarely ever encounter or socialize with a guy who doesn't regularly get access or opportunities to date or have casual sex, this isn't really your ring to share an opinion in because you're so far removed from the realities these men face that you won't even be able to empathize with their situation. If your dating pool is only men who are able to get casual sex whenever they want to, then you're an above-average conventionally attractive wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:11 PM
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Most men who use prostitutes, or at least a great many of them, are already unfuckable and unlovable prior to doing so, and therefore having relationships with prostitutes doesn't take away anything from them in that regard. If you're already at zero, you can't go any further down below.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:56 PM
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If women have a visceral disgust for sexless men, using a hooker/prostitute is just going to make it worse because if anything, it will only confirm what they already believed which is that you have next to zero avenue of attracting and keeping a woman on your own and thus you have to resort to using hookers. If they're legal in your area, I'd say to go for it, if you can accept hookers being pretty much your only sexual outlet forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:51 PM
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Should women disclose body count to men who don't want high N women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:20 PM
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Yeah, they're delusional. If you're not attractive, there's really no real choice but to accept that you are unattractive, along with all of the consequences that come with that. Some people are bitter about it and blame the world. Some people just give up and move on. Either way, the world moves on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 04:19 PM
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I don't care what you do. I'm giving an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:59 PM
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To never settle, and if she can do better for her partner, then she absolutely should. No reason a 90k woman can't attract a 135k man who is better groomed, more attractive, fitter, and can offer her a better lifestyle than a 60k man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:09 PM
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I'm not a quitter. I'd just rather put in that kind of energy into myself, my career, my hobbies, and my personal projects than in pursuing a woman. I could try harder, but if I don't like my odds in dating, then I simply don't want to. I don't exactly like the job market either, but at least my career fulfills a more immediate need that determines my living standards, whereas a relationship is purely a want and not a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:40 AM
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You're a woman and have options. If you had to deal with the same bullshit AND had zero men interested in you, then giving up would look more appealing for you too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:01 PM
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I mean, if you don't have the resilience to keep trying, then sure. If either of the following are true, then it's better to just throw on the towel: A) you don't like the game B) the rules of the game are stacked against you to the point that effort isn't worth it. For me, it's a combination of both. Therefore, I'm just focusing on myself, my job, my hobbies, and living for myself and not for women. Sometimes it's just accepting relationships don't give you what you're looking for, and being ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:57 PM
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Giving up is the only logical answer that doesn't involve infringing on other's freedom of choice
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:26 PM
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I don't hate them. I just have a radically different view of sex and sexuality from them and therefore otherwise want nothing to do with them as far as intimacy is concerned. If you live a promiscuous lifestyle, then our values aren't compatible because our views on sexuality don't align. Therefore naturally, I will select against them for a romantic partner
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:22 PM
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Being able to walk naked around the place without anyone to say a damn thing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:32 PM
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If you're unattractive yourself, marrying someone you find attractive likely isn't an option for you. Most 5/10s (average) want at least another 5/10, or if not will settle for a 4/10. A 1/10 has only other 1/10s or 2/10s as potential dating options. They won't find their partners attractive because they have the same conventional preferences as everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:50 AM
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You do you, but personally I find it weak to be working so hard so that other people accept you. The only person whose opinion of you that you should care about is yourself. If women don't like you because of your height, then I mean this when I say it, but fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:03 AM
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I'll give up on women, and improve for myself. I don't give a fuck about being a "top 5% man" or whatever because life isn't a competition and idgaf about other men to be rating myself against them. Also I'd rather swim in acid than be with a woman who chooses me for money or "status."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:01 AM
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Yet so many guys want to complain It's legitimately funny how tone deaf you come across saying shit like this while telling short men to compensate with money. Personally, I'd rather be with a hooker than a girlfriend if I'm only valued because of the size of my bank account.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:59 AM
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If I had to dumb down what I said above, if the rules of a game are rigged against me, because of something I can't control, then it is better not to play that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:45 AM
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For me getting a hobby, reading, exercise, and meditation or prayer helped. It requires a lot of reframing of the mind to essentially challenge the idea that getting married or finding a partner was even naturally expected of you in the first place. I'm not expected to become a billionaire, and therefore I shouldn't be judged for feel bad for not becoming one. Neither am I expected to become the President, and therefore similarly why should I feel bad that I'll never sit in the oval office? In t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:44 AM
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I'd like to be picked in the sense it'd be nice to have a billion dollars. It's nice to have, but not holding out for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:28 AM
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On the flip side, if you're a short man, and something as superficial as your height is enough to make you apparently a zero/10 according to many, supposing this is true, why wouldn't this just encourage you to become celibate? As a 5'7 dude myself, I don't think about my height a lot, but if my height is enough to make a woman get the "ick," I don't want her anyways. I'd that happens to be all women, then oh well sucks to suck. I can't control my height and can't control whether women are attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:26 AM
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In ancient societies people matured faster because they took on adult responsibilities sooner. As I recall correctly you could join the legion at around 15 or 16. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia at just 20 years old, but he had Aristotle as his personal tutor and was trained since 8. So taking precedence, you can make people more mature at a younger age, but you have to purposefully raise them that way from a very young age. You basically begin preparing to become an adult at 8 year…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:58 PM
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Men should care about what attracts women they're attracted to. These women are attracted to serial killers. Ergo, these men should care that these women are attracted to serial killers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:29 AM
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No. If it works, the argument is shit. That's why you do it. If the argument was logical, it wouldn't work. Just because it has a Latin name doesn't mean it's a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:23 PM
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Approaching is still physically possible. I'd still rather pour acid in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:35 PM
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Even if just 80% of that list describes you, then you're doing better than most here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:22 AM
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You can find him if you want to enough. If you know what you want, then it should be natural, because you should know where those kinds of people hang out, what they look for, and how they behave and carry themselves. For *many* men, there's a problem with attracting people *at all.* I've personally given up. I just frequent here because I like to argue lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:19 AM
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reductio ad absurdum argument if someone would make if they weren't interested in good faith discussion. Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argumentative strategy. You're literally taught to do it in debate courses.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:09 AM
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You're rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:08 AM
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But thanks for manifesting it for me haha IMO almost any woman can have any kind of man she wants, if she's willing to put in the effort to attract him. Men aren't that complex. When men say women have it easier, they mean that generally what men value in women is easier for women to attain than both men and women's standards for men. Therefore, all else considered equal, it's way easier for a woman to get her type than for a man to get his.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:03 AM
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From my perspective, men tell themselves these are what women want because they're also men's standards for themselves. Even when insecure men eventually grow to meet their own standards, take finance for example, they either raise it so it's an endless grind, or a new insecurity comes up: she's using me for my money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:00 AM
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You scored a 0.5%? Congratulations then. You've won.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:59 AM
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Do you want me to get offended or smth? No. No I don't. Just for you to be aware of it. That's all. I just want to make sure you genuinely believe the words you're typing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:42 AM
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You're just repeating red-pilled talking points but in the reverse direction. Your attitude and your view of marriage and intersexual relationships are exactly the same, even if you don't admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:58 AM
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But a loss is still a loss, and your general sentiment and assumption remains the same, except from the reverse gender dynamic. "As much as women do" is just victim Olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:52 AM
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I think people do deserve to feel love, but too many people become so narrowly focused on sexual and romantic relationships that they fail to recognize that love exists in many forms, many of which we either don't see, such as god's love if you're religious, or we take for granted, like love you already have from your family.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 06:49 AM
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Red pilled men ask the same questions in the reverse dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 06:28 AM
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That's a good point actually. When it's men struggling romantically or sexually, it is said that women have no obligations to change their attraction patterns to be more inclusive. But if a man says he's attracted to a blonde girl with big tits and an hourglass figure, he's labeled shallow or non inclusive. On top of the push to make porn more "inclusive" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:51 AM
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Hard disagree, or else ACE people or women past menopause don't have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:34 AM
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Toilets and having access to plumbing has tangible benefits for personal sanitation and hygiene, and not having access to them noticeably decreases quality of life, even though yes they aren't a strict need in the sense that having access to water at all is. Therefore, I feel like that isn't a good comparison. Instead, this sub, along with many others who parrot cultural individualism in personal relationships, describe sexual relationships more along the lines of having Starbucks regularly each…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:33 AM
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Catholic parents with Buddhist extended family. And while I'm not devout, I still apply a lot of the theology to my daily life along with what I learn from studying Stoicism and asceticism from the Greeks and Romans.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:20 AM
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What constitutes a "valid reason," in your view? Personally, breaking up a family, especially when children are involved, because either mommy or daddy can't get a dopamine release and an expulsion or mucus is a pretty terrible reason to put a child through a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:13 AM
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Yeah. As someone brought up in a more traditional and conservative oriented culture, it never made sense to me how people can rationalize that women (or men) who have had an extensive history of casual sex are somehow emotionally compatible with people who attribute intense emotional bonding or moral value to sex, to the point they only want to have it with intimate partners. If person A attributes a lot of significant value onto sex, sees it as something intrinsically linked to love and intimac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:11 AM
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But if sex is a want, and not a need, as is so often repeated here and a lot of other places online, then you agree that this is one aspect of your relationship which you may not be happy with, but isn't otherwise *essential,* right? You can be in a loving relationship without sex, or you could be single and still not have sex anyways. I fail to see how the second scenario is better than the first. Men get told all the time that sex is a want and not a need, and therefore they shouldn't feel wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:07 AM
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id just ignore it tbh, the schizophrenia from both sides gives me migraines It's terminally online brain rot polluting mass culture is what it seems like to me. People in my original country (southeast Asia) just don't talk about this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:57 AM
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Ok so hypothetically, what if your husband was touchy-feely and always wanting to cuddle, everything else about the relationship was great, communication, respect, commitment, him helping out at home and with the kids, etc. But he just wasn't having sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:53 AM
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Communication, basic respect, and commitment are arguably more important than sex. That means having a willingness to meet the other partners' needs. I'm not disagreeing that this willingness must exist, but what those "needs" entail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:41 AM
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If it's not a need, or essential to a happy life, that kind of contradicts your premise that it's required for a functional relationship too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:33 AM
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Interesting. I take it you live in Europe or a country where prostitution is legal and there are more socialized programs? I'm in the US and we don't have those things. We have ACA and medicare/medicaid, but it's not enough to get by for someone struggling. Prostitution is also illegal in the US everywhere except in one county in Nevada, and it's priced so high it's a luxury and not an accessible service.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:29 AM
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We've decided food and water are entitlements in developed countries. But they're not though, because I have to go to work to earn money to buy them. You're clearly not entitled to your needs either in developed countries. So how do we distinguish from needs and wants, if a thing being either of those things has no consequence on it being something you're entitled to? You're entitled to basic security and having your legal rights respected, and those are needs in a civilization, but you're not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:19 AM
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Well I mean if you want to argue argumentum ad absurdum, even those things are wants and not needs, because why do we logically assume living is a need?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:15 AM
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Guilty as charged. But no seriously, I see no way these three statements logically coexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:14 AM
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I was just in Seoul last week. Where were you there? It's honestly one of the nicest cities I've been to, and quite perplexing that anytime I leave the US to go to any developed country, the infrastructure and people are much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:09 AM
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Call me autistic or neurotic if you wish, but I struggle, genuinely, to wrap my head around how these three claims are compatible: 1) Sex is not a requirement to live a happy and fulfilled life 2) Nobody ever owes sex to anybody else; not even partners 3) Withholding sex in a relationship is wrong, because you're denying the other person their "needs." No seriously, if a relationship is otherwise happy and fulfilling, and missing ONLY sex, why is that a good excuse to break it up, especially if …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:08 AM
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My own family pressures me to date in southeast Asia *specifically because* women there are more traditional, and yes that absolutely includes those other things you mentioned. I also feel like PPBs are more open to being sole providers for Asian wives because their dollars go a lot farther in those countries. In fact, that's half the point of being a PPB.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:53 AM
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Well, religion and culture have been pretty much the same thing for the majority of human history. You literally can't study Greek or Roman culture without their mythology, and European culture is closely tied to the Catholic Church.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:41 AM
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What about people who are religious because they simply believe in god?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:39 AM
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It's actually somewhat built into language in vulgar speak. The fact that the word "fuck" is used to mean sex along with intense disrespect towards someone says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:38 AM
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Given his name, I'd assume Japanese traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 08:51 PM
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No I don't think I will change your view, because you're absolutely right. Men have nothing of value to offer you, and you're better off being single. Go do your own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:00 PM
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none of them were legally single past age 22 22 is missing the boat if you want a tradcon relationship? Who the fuck is able to provide at 22?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 09:48 AM
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Apparently women are happier single than in a relationship. Might as well do them a charity and leave them alone then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:27 AM
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I don't think shaming alone accounts for most young men not having approached, but it certainly doesn't help. I myself have never approached a single woman I was interested in my entire life. In fact, quite the opposite. In high school and even early college, I would go out of my way to *avoid* women I was attracted to, and did everything possible to prevent even a single interaction with them. Being told I would be judged and shamed if I approached was more of a push towards a decision I was al…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 02:58 PM
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This is also how I was raised, and why I wouldn't ever pressure someone into having sex if she wasn't comfortable with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 02:54 PM
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You're wasting your time. I had this exact same argument with her more than a few months ago, logically deconstructed every argument she put forward and explained why they're incoherent, and all she's able to do is stamp her feet down and reaffirm her position and position of superiority, shifting between prescriptive and descriptive claims at her own convenience. She is, quite literally, incapable of having a rational argument. There is no getting through to her except for her to live in a coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:23 PM
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Life has been better and less stressful from when I was a teenager and in my early twenties when I used to be an incel by the strict and traditional definition of that word, minus the misogynistic or women-hating connotations it has today. So basically, someone who wanted intimate and sexual relationships yet couldn't get one due to negative self-image, an avoidant personality, and above all a lack of desire to change myself to be attractive to women I wanted. Back when I used to regularly mastu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 10:27 AM
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Speaking from my own limited experience, I've felt pressure for basically my entire teenage and early 20s years to withhold from dating to focus on education and career because I came from a Southeast Asian background where male provider roles are more emphasized, and so the message I received both from my family and from confirmation bias online in more toxic spaces is that, as a man, my value as a romantic partner is directly determined by my economic participation and earning potential. I als…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 10:16 AM
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I'm not asexual or ace. I am a heterosexual man with a normal sex drive and libido. If I got married, I would want a Josephite marriage, or a marriage in which I only have sex with my partner to create children only, because I'm an ascetic and a stoic, and believe in self-denial, the limiting of all desires and wants, and focus on spiritual pursuits and moral virtues in a minimalistic life. I'm not strongly religious as far as organized religion is concerned, but I am philosophical, and influenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:09 AM
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Wars are fought and won with manpower and heavy industrial industries, both past and present. Technology changes the specific mechanisms by which those things happen. They do not otherwise change those realities. It doesn't matter if those countries do not have the specific tech the US does. The fundamental principle is still wrong, because if it was not, Russia should have already been victorious according to your reasoning, after countless drones, 5000 missiles, limitless airstrikes, 20 to 1 a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:44 AM
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The war in Iraq did not look like World War II and World War II did not look like the American revolution and so on. Over time technology changes warfare. A new war whether it’s World War III or anything else will be different than any of the past wars due to new technology. We don’t need as many people to go fight in person like the Romans did. We replace physical people in battle with technology whether that’s guns, tanks, night vision lenses, drones, or even ai robots. We can attack from afar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:16 AM
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Spare me the crocodile tears. This protest just comes off as tone deaf and lacking in self awareness after that vitriolic and angrily worded rant up above accusing me of being angry and insulting you for simply attempting to reassure you, on top of generalizing me and assuming what I would do in these ridiculous hypotheticals you make up for me like a child. If you don't want to be called a bitch, don't give bitch energy. I can feel the hostility and the animosity through the computer screen. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:01 AM
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Dude, that's fucked. You shouldn't be posting here of all places. You need to go to fucking therapy, or to church if you're religious, and I'm someone who doesn't usually recommend therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:09 AM
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OP needs help. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/gHWLznSuym
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:08 AM
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I see. That sounds a lot like what I would've done, except unlike you I wouldn't have even agreed to the cinema date to begin with. I would've lied and said I had other plans, and unlike you I'm capable of saying hi back, but imagine a very generic retail customer service hi. I don't turn away in shame, but I'm able to mask my feelings and express myself as if they weren't there. I will still however remove myself from the area whenever I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 11:19 PM
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Hmm interesting. Have you also purposefully isolated yourself from someone you liked until she was partnered with someone else, then at which point you "relax?" I used to do that a lot in high school too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:58 PM
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So what if the birth rate continues to decline? You're easier to be conquered. Low birth rates don't just hurt the workforce. It also hurts military force sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:55 PM
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I feel a strong need to go out of my way to avoid someone I find attractive, sometimes even relocating to an entirely different venue altogether. When you talk to them I specifically avoid even getting to this point. But in the very rare times it happens, I simply put on the most corporate and professional vibe possible, addressing her politely with "ma'am," and make the interaction as unengaging and generic as possible, before moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:51 PM
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You're arguing with a hysterical woman who, in a previous engagement we had, directly insulted military veterans by referring to everyone who serves in combat as a fool who dies for elites, and now she's here accusing Trump of being guilty of the very same thing she's guilty of. Don't give her more of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:45 PM
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So you expect a partner to leave you if you get into a car accident and get paralyzed from the hips down, or get stuck in a burning building and your dick gets destroyed? You're making my point about not having much of a relationship if it can't survive without sex. I can't imagine leaving a complete other person for no other reason than we aren't rubbing swollen parts and ejecting mucus from the body together.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:42 PM
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No I don't? People don't need to be having sex regularly, which is something both the incel crowd and the "sexual chemistry" audience get wrong. And neither do I think it's important or even essential for deep emotional connections.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:39 PM
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I wouldn't be with her in the first place if she doesn't share my values. And it's not torture. Nobody needs sex to survive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:43 PM
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I don't think you quite understand what I wrote. It's not Ace because I do experience normal sexual attraction and desire. Ace or asexual people are identified by the absence of those things. What I do is choose consciously not to act on it for moral, spiritual, and ideological reasons. This is completely different from someone who doesn't physiologically experience those things at all. Stoicism, at its core, is about acknowledging emotions and desires, but choosing to temper and limit them with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:33 PM
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I'm not asexual. I just reject the premise that a physiological reaction of the body should define the essence of a connection. I feel sexual desire, but I'm also an ironclad ascetic who believes in limiting personal desire. Therefore, my idea of a relationship not only includes waiting for marriage, but procreation sex only.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:55 PM
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I'm the kind of person who's not only waiting, but also doing procreation sex only. Apparently I'm incapable of a relationship according to the "sexual chemistry" crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:51 PM
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It's not a necessary component, or at least shouldn't be for a meaningful and deep connection. At best, it should be a bonus on an otherwise emotional and spiritual bond. We are not our bodies. Unless you think it's reasonable for spouses to leave each other if one gets paralyzed from the bottom down, sex isn't essential. There's also the fact many couples are in normal marriages without having sex. It's important to me to have that physical connection and to feel wanted in that way too though. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:45 PM
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I don't know about you, but I don't form emotional connections and raise kids with roommates, and if you do, then good for you, but I think you're fucking strange. You've got a shallow and warped idea of a relationship if the whole concept of a connection with another person to you is reducible to a physical expulsion of fluids from the body. Dead bedrooms are relationship killers. And why I say: relationships which cannot survive without sex are not much of a relationship at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:38 PM
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Maybe because unlike you, I prioritize an emotional connection to another person over an expulsion of body fluids in a relationship. Basing your whole idea of a relationship on sex is shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:27 PM
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Do whatever you want, but if sex is the only thing that distinguishes a romantic partner and a roommate to you, then you have a shallow idea of a relationship, and women in general. At best, sex is a bonus in a relationship. It's not even essential
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:16 PM
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Women are not cars, and sex isn't the purpose of a relationship. In fact, it's not much of a relationship at all if it can't survive without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:01 PM
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Wow. Such hostility. You're clearly a happy person. Yeah, you're right. On second thought, I retract my words. You're not a beautiful person, both inside and out. I'm done trying to reassure you. Have the day you deserve. Why should I train myself to be an arrogant stuck up bitch? You've done a good job of that already. I don’t know what kind of insecurity or belief that non-beautiful women anre worthless you are projecting on me, You said that. Not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 06:32 PM
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random people guess other men are secretly and unverifiably thinking inside their heads. It's for this reason you can't in good faith reason you're unattractive either precisely because you can't know what other people are thinking inside their heads. At best, you only have enough to deduce you're not the first choice of specifically men who approach. But to go from there to the conclusion you aren't an attractive woman is a self limiting mindset, because you're basing your perceived level of at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:03 PM
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enough for men not to approach. This isn't a reliable metric. Can't speak to your early life experiences, but I personally avoided every woman I was attracted to when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:03 PM
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I actually do like arguing this point though, regardless of whether I myself believe it, to get a rise out of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 05:26 AM
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For the men who do care, they only seem to care because they themselves have little to no experience. You say this like it's a bad thing. If you have little to no experience, there's nothing wrong with having a preference for someone who also has little to no experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 05:18 AM
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A pussy. Not ugly, not fat, fertile, virgin, not promiscuous, and not a total bitch, generally apologetic and accept blame easily, hourglass figure, wide hips, narrow waist, big boobs, ok face, long legs. Also I liked cooking and am fairly good at it. You're an attractive woman. There's a lot we disagree with intellectually and value wise, but nevertheless, an attractive woman by conventional standards. But, I am already plenty aware that most of those traits are worthless to a lot of the men he…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:07 AM
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You're 30 but live at home? It's a financially intelligent decision so long as you aren't freeloading, but a guy in your same situation at your age would be cooked. I've lived a variety of lives so I'm knowledgeable about nerd shit, literature, philosophy, gaming, martial arts, cooking, television, horses, gardening, music, and more. Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:06 AM
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I have no idea how adult introverts meet after college.) Pro tip: They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:01 AM
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Why do you feel this is the case? Do you think women seek to better themselves, or only men? Well, I can't help but notice whenever it's *men* who answer with I bring love, affection, and support. I am a partner in every sense of the word; emotionally, physically, and financially. I am diligent, hard-working, and loyal. usually it's not enough. In real life, I've observed a lot of instances, as in a lot, where women demand a lot more than those things from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:54 AM
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Same observation here. I'm a 15% bodyfat dude with a six pack and a defined chest, but with my shirt on I become an ordinary dude. Being ripped hasn't helped me in the dating market AT ALL.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:57 PM
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I'm a dude who's been socially isolated enough to develop autistic traits without actually being autistic. I've consigned myself into the reality it's been over a long time ago, when I was in high school. Life as an adult has all but verified I was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:10 PM
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You can still engage with ideas in the abstract even when they don't concern you directly. A lot of men who argue in favor of paternity tests for example believe rightfully that men should not be unknowingly raising kids that aren't their own biologically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:00 PM
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No modifications needed! You can just pick up a commercial side rail mount like one of these and simply slide it onto the rifle. If you look at the left side of the receiver, that rail looking thing, that's what it's for. Then you can choose whichever optic you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:57 PM
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You don't have to be directly involved with something to have an opinion on it. In fact, suggesting that indicates an unsophisticated mind
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:21 PM
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Personally, I'd dress and drive a car that suggests I make a lot less than I do, and purposefully keep around things from my retail jobs in my car and living space when I go on dates. And if they ask what I do for a living, I'll just say, "I'm not comfortable discussing my employment background yet, because I don't know you yet, and I don't consider that an important part of my identity. I'd rather us both focus on getting to know each other."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:16 PM
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I was actually trying to subtly troll by essentially describing a neighborhood friend but labeling it a relationship partner, only nobody took the bait. Of course I'm not being serious. I'm probably the biggest anti-individualist on this whole sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:41 AM
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A gold digger can also mean someone who dates people according to their job title, or earning potential, rather than the money he has directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:18 AM
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Many men receive attention from women only after they get good jobs. What else is he supposed to think if 3 months is enough to go from invisible to getting attention, and the only thing that changed was employment status?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:09 AM
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What's wrong with being a "kissless virgin?" If sex isn't actually a need like how this sub loves to bleat on about, why is being a virgin a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:07 AM
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Deal with it. A lot of people are. Peace in solidarity is preferable to dealing with people with your attitude. "Pretty" doesn't make up for an insufferable personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:59 AM
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My coworker found out last year his grandfather wasn't his real biological grandfather because his grandmother cheated. Unfortunately, they only found out when grandma was days away from death. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 08:11 AM
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said to watch Hallmark movies and travel. Just lmao. If anything, women outside of the west even better fit redpill talking tropes. If you actually want to see hypergamy in action and mercenary breeding behavior, look no further than Asia. I just got back from Korea, and there you actually are judged according to your income, and if anything women there cheat more than in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 08:05 AM
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After reading the comments, what the fuck are late bloomer men supposed to do then? I was told all my life I should be holding out until I'm fully financially stable and independent before I begin dating and looking for a life partner, which is how I got to 27 without dating. But now it feels like I'm around much less women I find attractive compared to when I was 18, and the ones I do find attractive are already partnered up. Realistically I won't be ready for kids until I'm 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:39 PM
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There's no way to screen for it after you've become stable and settle. This is why a number of well off friends of mine stay single and just see sex workers. If they're going to be in a transactional relationship with women who conditionally valued them based on their income, better to do it explicitly in an arrangement where that's a clearly delineated expectation from the get go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:13 PM
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Most men would rather stay single than be pursued for their wealth or stability for the same reason many women feel likewise if they're valued for youth and their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:11 PM
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That's the plan. I'd rather stay single than approach women, because I think it's a glorified humiliation ritual. Most men are willing to degrade themselves for a half assed relationship for sex. Personally, I see that as a form of weakness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:59 PM
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I think two separate houses within ten minutes of walking distance to each other is optimal. Whenever you want to spend time together, you can walk down and sit and hang out for like 30 minutes before returning home to your office or to be back in your own personal space. I think a healthy relationship should involve treating each other as separate people. You should be together because you like spending time together, but then you should also have your own time outside of together time, like an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:46 PM
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There's very much a logic to it. If you don't have kids, you shouldn't be able to vote. Only people who have genetically invested into the future of society should have any legal vote into what happens in the future. It is a civic duty to repopulate the society you belong to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:47 PM
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I am literally telling you I believe the childless shouldn't be able to vote. Might also want to check my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:43 PM
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It is literally one of the most basic forms of social participation there is. So much so in fact you used to not even be allowed to vote unless you had children. In fact, I'm in favor of similar laws being reinstated
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:35 PM
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I am not exaggerating when I say I would rather press my face on a hot iron plate than to cold or warm approach a woman. It is literally more dignified to me to disfigure myself like that than to participate in a glorified humiliation ritual for the sake of some pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:25 PM
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AKs have a bit more of a kick to them than ARs. If it's a normal WASR-10 with a slant muzzle brake too, then the muzzle will actually want to go down rather than up. Just make sure the front sight is aligned flush with the rear, then squeeze the trigger until it goes off. Don't jerk the trigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:55 PM
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They're solid defense rifles as well as sport shooters. If you're going to seriously entrust your life to it though, consider getting an optic. There are many side mounted rail options available. They work fine with red dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:08 PM
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I've got a WASR 10-63. They're mostly the same rifle, but mine is made from military Pm 63 parts, hence the 63 designation. They're solid Romanian AKs for the most part. I imagine yours is a new production though? How are the sights? Not canted I hope? I used to shoot Russian ammunition exclusively through mine but unfortunately due to sanctions they're around .60 a shot now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:07 PM
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If a test is that important to you, just bring it up before you have kids. In fact, bring it up before you get married. The both of you will be on the same page, and if it's a deal breaker for either side, you're free to leave. A woman who feels offended by a paternity test would have the option to leave, and a man who wants it shouldn't be with a woman not willing to give him one either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:02 PM
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Fellow AK appreciator here? Is it a US made AK or an import?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:37 AM
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And asking her for a paternity test can be a part of the vetting process to determine whether she's a trustworthy partner before you get her pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:59 AM
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Poor guys. Adapt or suffer. This is the kind of attitude I should only have for finding a job. Not a romantic partner. If I have to "adapt or suffer," it's better to just stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:44 AM
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Poor guys. Adapt or suffer. This is the kind of attitude I should only have for finding a job. Not a romantic partner. If I have to "adapt or suffer," it's better to just stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:44 AM
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In my opinion they actually get better results. Not universally true for all women. They get access to the guys who approach them, which is different from the one who's necessarily the best partner for her. There's no guarantee that her most compatible partner exists in the pool of men who actually approached her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:38 AM
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Because if I wanted to engage with AI instead of you, I'd engage directly with AI and cut the middle man out. If your thoughts and opinions you share aren't your own, you aren't genuinely engaging with the prompt. In a debate sub no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:32 AM
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Why does almost every single top level comment you make read like it's AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:22 AM
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You're making his point. When society is made up of people who put individual fun over social commitments, you don't live in a healthy society. And as a guy who travels, people who make a hobby out of traveling are some of the most insufferable people to come across.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:18 AM
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I've read the definition you posted a few times, and all I got out of it was you can't read. That's not what he's doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:25 PM
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Buddha is still not advocating for homelessness and drugs and alcohol. Monastic Buddhists, monks, and sages renounce all worldly possessions to live a detached life. Yes, this includes homes. Yes they don't do drugs either, because the whole point is to renounce pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:16 PM
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Maybe you should broaden your horizons outside of pop culture and Hollywood. There's literally an entire religion around living minimally, self denial, and limiting or even avoiding pleasure. In fact, it happens to be the largest and most influential religion in Asia. The Buddha literally said the quickest way to find happiness is to own nothing and want nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:01 PM
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Presentism bias is a weak form of argumentation and demonstrates a lack of sophistication. Greek and Roman philosophy is as relevant today as when their ideas were written.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:55 PM
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then explain how given the society we live in, this is an unhealthy response? No that's what I mean. This is a coping mechanism and how the brain deals with mental trauma much like how the body heals a wound. It's very much expected given the piece of shit mouse utopia clown world we live in, but calling it "healthy" implies it's how a healthy person in an otherwise normal environment is supposed to think. You're not supposed to look at someone saying "women are unnecessary and unimportant in li…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:53 PM
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Nobody looks at a homeless couple and goes, "aw they aren't married and so in love". May I introduce you to Diogenes of Sinope
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:36 PM
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In the liberal individualist west, yes it's considered healthy. Otherwise, it's a coping mechanism to heal the trauma of how inhuman the entire western psyche is. In a morally healthy and sane society, the average person has his emotional and sexual needs met by others in a cohesive and tightly knit community. There is no "if I can't have it, I didn't need it anyways." That's called social atomism, which is the opposite of healthy. And it's clear you have this brain rot too, because I literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:20 PM
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If you think god's love is conditional, you don't understand Christianity lol. It is impossible for the love of an omnipotent god, who is the creator of all things, the origin of all energy, and who animates all of the laws of nature and physics, to be conditional. If you claim god's love is conditional, you imply he could ever unlove something he creates, and therefore imply he is flawed, which is heresy. God loves all that exists unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:02 PM
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Because they don't want to be conditionally accepted based on their money. End of story. Why are you insisting on making it more complicated than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 09:35 PM
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That's the thing though. I do want unconditional love. But the only person who I know is going to give it is myself, and god. Therefore, nothing else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:12 PM
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You either find someone who's going to love you the way you want, or you find contentment with being celibate. There's nothing more to it. I know I'm going to love myself the way I want. Nothing else really matters. Women are pretty optional in life these days anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:06 PM
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If anything, having a degree is a better measure of neuroticism than actual intelligence. Plenty of people smarter than those with PhDs without having one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 05:58 PM
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But I thought people wanted my diamond sword?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 05:47 PM
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This is the sixth country I've visited outside of the US. In fact I've been doing a lot of traveling lately as I'm here after my summer study in the Caucasus just two months ago. Interestingly for all of the content and criticisms people have of late capitalism and gender relations in the west online, which are very valid, it's actually in Asia where the extremes of those things are most visible. There's actually strong social pressure in Korea and Japan to get married and settle from traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:24 AM
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You are a clearly oblivious woman who lacks the foresight to reread your own comment to realize you just put a price tag on human relationships and talk like a shallow gold digger because you keep saying men who aren't sole providers "give nothing" as if nothing matters to you outside of material things. Like I said, you literally directly measure how much a person is devoted to you based on what he gives you. The rest of that nonsense is refuted by the simple reality that the overwhelming major…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 10:01 PM
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I have heard that in East Asian cultures, it is expected for the man to own a house for him to be considered marriageable— but that’s not a cultural expectation that’s relevant in the US anymore, and hasn’t been for quite a while. In the US, most women don’t expect, or want, to be 100% kept dependents of their men. From what I see it's still relevant here among Korean boomers but you nevertheless see young couples. Just earlier today on the train I saw a few conscripts with their girlfriends. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 01:54 PM
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Someone within 5-8 years of his age at roughly the same attraction level?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:34 AM
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How is a man providing for his wife a “transactional relationship" Because you see romantic relationships as an exchange of value, and not unconditional, and you deny that love exists in a meaningful way outside of traditional male provider relationships to the point you directly measure the devotion and the value that a man offers to a woman according to purely external factors and material things. You quite literally deny that men offer meaningful value to women ignoring money, and think men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:06 AM
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To that I reply: you want multiple kids as a man, why did you wait until you were in your mid 30s to seek out a woman in her early twenties? I answered this in another reply but basically no guy I know in his twenties is ready to provide for children financially because they're stuck paying rent and student loans while working jobs going nowhere. It takes a lot of people until 35-40 today to do what boomers did at 19. I know that sole provider man isn't the universal expectation anymore, but thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:49 AM
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Quite a big ask in today's economy. No guy I know in his twenties is ready to provide for children financially. They're still stuck paying rent working dead end jobs and repaying student loans like everyone else. The whole reason the whole trope of guys waiting until their mid thirties to forties to start settling exists is because it takes men in this economy to wait to 35-45 to do what boomers did at 19. It's ridiculous. Capitalism is literally at odds with human biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:42 AM
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Aren't you the same woman who spent two days arguing in favor of transactional relationships because you feel men don't deserve love from their looks match until they could provide? Well, that's how you get men waiting until they're 45 before they're ready to date seriously. Some people really do take that long before they can be providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 09:54 PM
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The appeal to nature argument feels so shallow because we can’t untangle the behavioral associations that we culturally assign to different age groups. It's more so about the fact that if you want three or more kids entirely naturally, or without the use of fertility aids and treatments, then you have literally no choice but to have a preference in dating women in their twenties. Personally, if I'm not interested in children, then it's less of a factor as long as the older woman is still physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 08:48 PM
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but maybe should’ve thought of that 10 yrs ago when he was a lot more likely to be able to get a woman who’s still fertile. That's stretching it lol. If a guy is trying to get women in his twenties to have kids with while in his 40s, he was probably a complete loser in his twenties and even thirties. Plenty of young twenties men who have no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:24 AM
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You'll need money for the 45 year old woman too. Might as well go for the more attractive one. Also, if your choice is between a 28 year old or a 45 year old, the 28 year old is the only choice if you want at least two kids and don't want to use fertility aids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:51 AM
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20-24 is about the sweet spot for physical attractiveness physically speaking. I think pointing to teenagers specifically for age gap relationships is a distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:49 AM
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Why are you trying to convince me to vote Trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:20 PM
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we need to maintain American hegemony Why? I personally can't wait for multipolarity, and for liberal-democracy being denormalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:19 PM
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...what the fuck are you talking about? How is it a weird conclusion that women are not a hivemind, and people are looking over proof of that in their faces, when it's happening right here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:17 PM
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It is perfectly possible to work for yourself and to care for your own health without benefitting society at all. That's the distinction. I can be a jacked cybercriminal, or live in a log cabin in the middle of the woods and not own money, while still spending the time and effort to look after my health and well-being, except I'm not defining my self worth based on my utility to "society."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:59 AM
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Well, to answer the question, it's because it does nothing for me. Who knows? Maybe it could be an advantage, but 5 times zero is still zero. Besides. I look like an ordinary dude if I wear a jacket anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:42 AM
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The woman above you: Most women will see a man wanting her to pay for half the date and think to herself if I’m going to pay for my own meal/coffee/ticket then why not just go alone or with actual friends and not be trapped with a stranger who is going to try to touch me to “break the touch barrier” in an attempt to get laid. It’s more stressful and less enjoyable going out with some strange man so if the woman is paying why have a subpar experience? You: this comment. It's like the evidence wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:41 AM
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Why are you so blackpilled about your weight if you've pulled before? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:39 AM
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It's almost like men and women are (generally) attracted to these things in the opposite sex, haha. I am not sure what we are all supposed to do with this information, because the gender roles are not going away, and men being attracted to femininity and women being attracted to masculine competence is not going away. Honestly, if you're someone who complains about this, don't play the game if you don't like the rules. I found that works for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:37 AM
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The ancient Greeks had multiple concepts of love, such as agape (unconditional love), eros (romantic/erotic love), philia (friendship), and storge (familial love). While self-sacrifice may play a role in certain relationships (e.g., friendship or familial bonds), it wasn't a universally prescribed element of love in Greek thought. Love existed on a hierarchy to the Greeks. Eros was seen as the most base and primitive form of love precisely because it's irrational and fleeting, and to the Greeks,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:16 PM
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You just defined it that way? Where do you get that from? Who subscribes to that definition? What is the point of wanting to die for something? Why would that be love? Who would that serve? The loved one? It's not my definition. Love being self sacrificing has been an idea which has existed since the ancient Greeks. Plato defines love as being the pursuit and attainment of the good and the beautiful. This was not a subjectively defined and and individually held notion of good but rather an objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:29 PM
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Only unconditional love would guarantee to never be left. But that is a fantasy, held up by people who can't take abandonment. Your worldview only makes sense from a uniquely secular and individualist worldview. Love is inherently self sacrificing by definition, or else it's not love. It should require you to want to die for something, and isn't defined in any exchanges of value. On the other end, seeing all relationships as transactional is a typical sign of autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:04 PM
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Not as old as you. I'm 27, but I'll get past the 30 marker one day. I feel like what many call "giving up" is less so a one and done thing as much as it is a decision you constantly come back to and make again. Honestly, when you reframe your mind to look at it as something that was never available to you to begin with, the process of accepting it and moving on becomes a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:39 AM
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being able to tell the future. You don't need a crystal ball to know you'll never own a Yacht. I mean I guess there's the 0.0001% probability you'll win the lottery, but holding off on improbable odds is an incredibly poor use of one's time and energy. If you know you're not attractive enough to find a suitable partner, then it's wiser to be stoic about it and accept it, so you can refocus your energy on yourself and other more productive things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:34 PM
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Right, so maybe instead of questioning his life decisions, you could open your mind to the possibility, even if improbable, he could have been a hyper self aware teenager who knew what he wanted wasn't realistic for him to get, or was beyond his means, and therefore he gave up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:30 PM
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Do you not think you have grown in both life experience and maturity, as well as attractiveness, since age 16? On the flip side, some people mature abnormally fast and at 16 are considerably more mature than their peers and know that they want out of life, and have stuck by it ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:05 PM
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Relationships are transactional. Maybe he's not like you and doesn't want to be in a transactional relationship and that's why he's giving up?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:24 PM
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Put it this way: it would be nice to be in a healthy relationship, just as it would be nice to live in a mansion, drive a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, own a Yacht, have a billion dollars, or fly on private jets. Yet no matter how much I want those things, I will never be able to will it into reality, and relationships are no different because you can't control whether other people are attracted to you or not. So if the reality is nobody is interested in you, there really is no other option other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 08:08 PM
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Zero times in over twenty years teaches you to appreciate love, especially when your hand can get you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:54 AM
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Chances are you're more attractive than you say you are and you're just underselling yourself. Most of the dudes here, me included, are probably just going to be seen as annoying pricks if we cold approached. Not saying that to be a doomer, but just pragmatic. You need to pass a certain looks threshold to pull it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:48 AM
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It only works if you're an attractive man that women are receptive to being approached from. If you know you're not that attractive, it's a waste of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:19 AM
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I deleted it because I hesitated in the moment and thought discussing her opinion with a third party felt like brigading, but in hindsight the points being discussed were relevant so I should have left it up. Basically I saw you disagreeing with the OP from a provider woman's perspective and thought that was interesting and wanted to chime in. Outside of PPD and terminally online brain rot history genuinely is one of my passions, so much so that I invest a lot into immersive learning in fact, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:59 PM
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You don't. By my age most women expect a man who's had one or two relationships already. You're "behind" if you're a virgin or never had a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:21 AM
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How the fuck did we get to talking about global fertility rates from "porn misogynistic?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:46 AM
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That’s not true this conversation simply is not about those other things. Because men still do the emotional stuff what’s increasingly missing is the provision. If you think men not providing is the main reason why modern relationships fail, you either have a superficial or simplistic understanding of human relationships, or you legitimately spend way too much time lurking redpill forums and manosphere communities. Your assumptions are literally exactly the same. The only thing you disagree on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:38 PM
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How long did it take you to learn this and how have you applied this knowledge in your life? Probably well over 10 years. And it's leading to a PPL and a career. But honestly? I think the idea that hobbies necessarily need to have utilitarian value is ridiculous. They're things you do for their own sake just because they're fun. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:32 AM
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The only thing sex should "cost" if you're not specifically making a baby is consent, protection, and the both of you getting screened for STDs. It's absolutely mind baffling to me how you consistently deny being shallow yet you literally can't come up with a single thing a man can contribute to a healthy relationship that's not money. You literally overemphasize material things over emotional connection, personal compatibility, loyalty, shared values, two people spending time together and growi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:59 AM
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No this is like saying if a woman can get a guy for sex she can get him to be her provider husband. A man can get her in bed with cash, with gifts, with alcohol etc.. to KEEP her from going off with someone else tomorrow when the opportunity pops up he needs to provide and she can’t be way hotter than him. That’s the formula. Find your looks-match and be a provider I’m not saying it’s fool proof but it’s your best bet at a functional and happy relationship. Lmaaaaao so the "formula" is looks and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:58 AM
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It’s crazy talk. Lady, you literally can't point to a *single* other thing a man can "bring to the table" that's not money. You're making his point about being a gold digger. Most women aren't looking for a provider. They're looking for an equal. They're looking to spend time with another **human being** they want to be around for his personality, their chemistry, and a strong foundation of mutual physical and emotional attraction. Unless you're dating over 30, nobody goes into a relationship wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:54 AM
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(part 2) Um men providing is not an American 1950s thing it’s pretty universal so much so some societies don’t even allow women to work. Reread what I wrote. I said men being *sole providers* is a 1950s thing. Women worked prior to the 50s contrary to popular belief. I literally already gave you examples of how. Women raised livestock, they tailored and made clothing, they sold goods and products, they grew and harvested crops, they worked in factories, they baked, performed healthcare services,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:48 AM
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It's difficult for me to take you seriously when you don't refute any of the points I made in substance and simply contradict what I say while reaffirming your position. You say you're not materialistic, yet you can't even identify any positive value a man contributes to a woman in a relationship beyond money and how he materially affects her way of life. You're literally measuring a man's level of involvement, value, and investment in a relationship according to dollars and cents while denying …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:47 AM
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My understanding is that for men, a woman they'd have casual sex with is fuckable but not dateable. As a woman who has had casual sex (currently married), I view it the same way. That's a very generalized way of looking at relationships. Plenty of people both here and offline share that they met their long term partners the same way they met any of their other casual partners. Plenty of people married their hookups after they established chemistry after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:16 PM
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There's a thread right now posted by a woman who is attempting to argue it's a prerequisite that a man be stable, established, and capable of being a sole provider to attract a woman as attractive as him. So I figured I'd ask around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:50 PM
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The way marriage works between a man and woman is they bring each other their unique contribution in accordance to their sex. A man can provide (he is more capable to work) a woman can make a baby (obviously men can’t do that). So that’s the core of the exchange if we try to date like sex doesn’t matter it doesn’t work. I already explained in a previous comment why this idea is outdated. I think it's very convenient you ignored it. Also again, very telling you think the "core" of a healthy relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:04 PM
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Most men and women date their looks match when they're in high school or college when neither has a well providing job. This is just a bunch of garbled nonsense to disguise the fact you value men for what they provide to you like a classical gold digger, as evidenced by this line right here: They think a life long sexually exclusive attractive woman is worth their dick and them paying half the bills. Can't help but notice no mention of emotional investment, sexual compatibility, shared values, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 05:13 PM
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Q2W: Does a man need to be a stable single provider to get his "looks match" in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:45 PM
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Interestingly enforced monogamy was one of Emperor Augustus' reforms for fixing marriage life in Rome.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:35 PM
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See my other comment. You have a very shallow and materialistic view of how you can determine how involved a man is based on outdated economic realities that don't even exist anymore. Provider men made sense in a world where women couldn't physically participate in the majority of the labors that could provide for a family, or even own land. It makes less sense in a world men and women have the same economic opportunities and productivity and it takes both of them a significant period of their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:16 PM
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It's very telling that you think a man's level of investment in a relationship is directly measurable by the dollar count and specific lifestyle he provides her and how you emphasize materialistic metrics more heavily than things like companionship, emotional investment, and simply spending time with another living, breathing, person you're attracted to and want to be around. Many men date for reasons beyond casual sex, and value emotional and physical commitment from women over casual flings an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:01 PM
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You're asking for men to essentially put off dating and getting relationship experience until their late twenties or thirties for entirely superficial or materialistic reasons like money in a world it takes you a fourth to a third of your life to get invested and stable in a good career. You're not doing anything but entertaining the same beliefs that lead some dudes to think they should put off dating until they got career/house/car/benefits/401k/blah blah blah checked. That’s what a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:31 PM
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This is also why men find it easier to date in that age range. If she wouldn't date you until you had your job, she isn't in love with you. It's what you provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:08 PM
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If you're religious out of genuine belief though, it's not worth it to compromise on those things for the sake of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:38 PM
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There is quite literally nothing a woman needs to find a man for apart from sex
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:53 AM
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What of companionship, intelligence, security, sex and love? Besides sex, these are all things you can find outside of a romantic connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:42 AM
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There are inherent limitations to flight sims such as the inability of a desktop platform to simulate movement in a way your body can physically interact with it like it could a real plane. Modern flight simulators are good for procedural and IFR training but for anything else you need to be in the cockpit for sure. Nevertheless you still learn a lot of technical information about how real life aircraft operate, such as electrical and hydraulic systems especially if you simulate failures. World …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:52 AM
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You're responding to one of the most bad faith commentators on this entire godforsaken subreddit. Don't waste more of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:40 AM
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Some guys drew the short straw in life and have no real hope of becoming above-average This probably better represents the hypothetical son being discussed in the OP because we *are* talking about a 25 year old virgin, presumably. So the question is what advice would you give him?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:39 AM
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You expect people to be normal with *that* negative of a self-image and perception of your dating odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:37 AM
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He is statistically most likely to end up with an average woman because, by very definition, most women are average. If hypothetically tomorrow every woman became physically an instagram model with a PhD, that would simply become the new average and "above average" would shift even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:28 AM
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I've learned a lot more technical information playing flight simulators, sub simulators, and tank simulators than I ever have sitting in a classroom, and all three technically fall under the umbrella of "video games." You even have to read flight manuals or use trigonometry to play them, especially in the case of naval combat sims where you need to use real navigation techniques like dead-reckoning and using an astrolabe and compass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:26 AM
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I'll tell him average isn't good enough. Straight from the horse's mouth in case anyone else keeps bleating "average men get with average women."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:16 AM
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Most parents have a hands off approach when it comes to their children's dating life. Although in my case, my parents actively discouraged me from pursuing romantic connections in high school because they're more traditional and at that age they strongly believed my main (read: exclusive) priority should be my grades. But overall, I feel like a lot of parents, especially parents of young boys, are fine with their sons doing nothing proactive for their romantic lives and don't see any problem wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:13 AM
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This just validates the idea that men collectively need to up their standards if they complain about dating being unfair. Other men are making it worse for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:09 AM
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It's not complicated. Most of the guys who lurk this sub genuinely believe nobody will ever find them hot. In order to make sense of what you read here, you really need to emphasize (if not necessarily sympathize) with a mindset in which out of 3.5 billion people of the opposite gender, you legitimately believe not even a single one of those will find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:43 AM
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There's another girl who lurks this forum who herself admitted to making relationship guys wait longer to have sex than her hookup guys. Paraphrasing her words, "if I fucked you after the first date, it's because I already vetted you and determined you weren't relationship material."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:42 AM
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has productive hobbies What is a "productive hobby?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:41 AM
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Men want to be desired independently of money or financial accomplishments* FIFY
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 07:39 PM
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It's not so much giving up as much as it is being realistic and stoic. The advice I'd give my hypothetical son in this situation is the same one I give myself now. You shouldn't waste your time, energy, and emotional health lamenting something you don't have the ability to influence, and how attractive you are to women is one example of that. I personally disagree with the idea that there's something wrong with people who can't or have a hard time attracting a partner. It shouldn't be seen as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:21 PM
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I'd probably encourage him to pursue an ascetic life and embrace celibacy at that point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:45 PM
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Here's some cringe gym selfies
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:11 PM
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I'm 5'7 at 170 lbs and around 15% bodyfat. I'm not absolutely bodybuilder jacked, but noticeably muscular and shredded. I maintain a six pack year round
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 12:46 PM
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I'd just get a hobby and enjoy life in your shoes. Retiring that early sounds awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:06 AM
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My deadlift is 2x my bodyweight. I added 35 lbs of muscle overall on my frame. I started out at 135 lbs. I'm 170 lbs now. Strength gains aren't the most reliable metric to assess how much size gains someone's made, because that's usually done through volume.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:11 AM
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You're agreeing with me, albeit just adding more to it. The overall premise is that having a six pack or being fit alone isn't enough to get into romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:21 AM
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I was talking about apps. I don't think my height alone is an automatic dealbreaker IRL either. I get rejected for other reasons. Just take my word for it that I'm a below average man with next to zero options for a myriad of reasons encompassing both my looks and my overall personality and living situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:48 AM
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No offense, but yeah, in your case being jacked doesn't really matter. No offense taken. I'm pretty stoic about it, because I've long since accepted that I can't determine or influence what women are attracted to, and therefore it's a waste of my time to spend too much emotional energy lamenting over it. Personally, I think love for wisdom, knowledge, virtue, and the ideal, ethereal good, is more important or essential than romantic or sexual love anyways. So no *big* loss. Personally my cope is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:12 AM
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At 47? Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:59 AM
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The only thing stopping this whole "individualist" experiment from collapsing like a house of cards is the existence of nukes and the geographic impossibility of being invaded lmao. Nearly every time in history where you have individualistic cultures coexisting around more collectivistic or organized/discipline ones, the individualistic cultures get butchered and plundered. OP posts in r/nihilism though. I doubt he cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:46 AM
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You want a selfie? lol. I'm telling the truth. I bench 1.33x my bodyweight, and squat 1.7x my bodyweight, and I still have never had a girlfriend. This is reddit. I get absolutely nothing lying to you. I probably get filtered out on dating apps because I'm 5'7, and pretty much no women I encounter in real life is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:31 AM
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I've got a six pack and my dating life is still nonexistent. You're doing fine dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:05 AM
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To me? Yes. To women? LOL fuck no. But you know what? I'll take being a jacked loser with a six pack and chest over a lanky one any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:04 AM
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It's not that we should be asking women to give chances to suitors they aren't attracted to. It's that, on a cultural and societal level, we should stop telling the lie that with enough hard work and self improvement, anybody can find a partner. That's just not true. Some people simply get left out no matter what they do, and I feel like it's important to acknowledge that so people don't internalize those feelings as being a reflection of poor choices or character when in reality they have an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:38 PM
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Here's a thought: if you don't get implicit attraction signals, or get invited to social events where people meet and find other people to pair up with, maybe nature doesn't actually intend for you to breed?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:28 PM
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Circumstances differ. Not entirely giving up and remaining open to possibilities is an option if a reasonable chance exists, but I mainly address the specific demographic of men who genuinely are so unattractive they have no realistic chance of finding intimacy and sexual connection. In this case, "giving up" means reforming expectations in life and making the emotionally difficult journey to accept yourself and accept that romance won't be a part of your life, but that shouldn't stop you from l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:07 PM
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It's less about totally extinguishing the desire, which is unrealistic, as nice as it would be, and more about being the master of yourself. Marcus Aurelius describes it as being the spectator of your own emotions and desires, acknowledging them, but not letting them rule over you. Just as it is important to exercise the body, it is necessary to exercise the mind. We naturally desire sex and romantic intimacy as an inherent expression of our genes and our testosterone, and not our reason. Reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:04 PM
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Going to the gym only gets you so far for a relationship. I'm 165 lbs with a 220 lbs bench, and visible abs, yet I'm also romantically challenged and not likely to ever experience it in my life as well. It's not about having a shot or not. It's about refocusing priorities away from sex and romance to what is more essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:00 PM
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I think for struggling incels, for lack of a better word, and not meaning that as a pejorative, who genuinely and truthfully do belong to the outlier demographic of men who are nearly universally unattractive to women to the point where sex, dating, and romantic connection are closed off to them, finding some form of self acceptance and learning to treat it as a limitation or a disability, but not something that determines their entire self worth, may be the best way forward. Yes, it's true that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:47 PM
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It opens up more desirable partners and makes it easier to get casual sex interest from women. Nobody needs to self improve to get a girlfriend. These statements contradict, unless you believe men who have zero options don't exist. You absolutely do need to self improve if absolutely nobody is interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:11 PM
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I've got better things to do with my life than to approach women who aren't attracted to me to play a game with the odds against me. We say it all the time that dating isn't fair and isn't meant to be. Why would I play a game with uneven rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:55 PM
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It means each generation is going to have more single and celibate men who need to learn how to get over their desires for sex and intimacy. The bar got raised higher to the point more men are now physically and mentally incapable of fixing the issues preventing them from seeing any kind of romantic success, because no matter what they do they won't be attractive enough. The answer in the short term is just to be stoic about it, because you only make yourself miserable wanting what you can't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:26 PM
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Don't you also have income requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:20 PM
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It's not up to you to tell people what is and isn't meaningless for the same reason the OP argues it's pointless for men to reason for women to be more attracted to them. A statistically significant number of men are less attracted to women when they pass a body count threshold that's unique and specific to them. That's a preference as any other. Plenty of women are turned off by men when they turned out they slept with sex workers for similar reasons. It gives them an ick. Nothing you can do ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:13 AM
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I understand you meant this in earnest and not in any negative way, but I don't want it anymore. I still feel a strong need for romantic and sexual connection as a pure physiological expression of my genes and testosterone, but my rational and conscious mind wants nothing to do with it. I loathe what is found sexually attractive in a modern sense, and even if I turned around and was found attractive by someone right now, it wouldn't be for qualities which I would even value, and so it's worthles…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:20 AM
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This sub has a particularly disparaging view of autistic people, particularly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:14 AM
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It is objectively better for society that only moral and virtuous men and women reproduce, by the very definition of those concepts. If you disagree, then you reject the entire premise of morality. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:53 AM
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You're derailing the discussion by shifting the goalposts. The original premise of the OP and this entire thread is that sexual attraction and preferences are illogical, and it is a fruitless and pointless endeavor to attempt to analyze them according to pure reason(TM). Accepting that premise, then we ought to address that it is equally futile for women to logically deconstruct men's preferences and standards for the same reason the OP is insinuating it's pointless for men to deconstruct women'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:50 AM
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This is just kicking the can down the road and being dismissive. Telling people they should improve to the best that they can as a hail Mary to solve their dating issues with no real guarantee of success or tangible progress then turning around and saying "even if you fail, you'll at least be a better person for yourself" is just dismissing the core problem altogether, which is a sexual and emotional need that isn't being met.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:43 AM
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After a certain point, that becomes an indefensible reason to continue trying. Once you're at the level where you are so repulsive and unattractive to women that it is either physically or mentally beyond your ability to influence or rectify the issues preventing you from seeing success, any further effort you put forward is futility because it is the definition of a fool's errand to waste time, effort, and energy into solving a problem that cannot be solved. You said it yourself that sex, relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:41 AM
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Being in a transactional relationship and being valued for your possessions and things you provide gets old after a very short time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:51 PM
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Why would I ever subject myself to a circus which you yourself admitted above is not a fair game, and was never designed to be? Why would I have the sheer lack of self respect to play a game that's rigged against me, based on factors I can't control, to get something I'm neither guaranteed or entitled to? I'd rather drag my face through broken glass.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:49 PM
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Yet society would be better off if it was a prerequisite
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:35 PM
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If I had my way, success would be directly tied to virtue and leading a moral life. If something is not rewarded based on those metrics, I want nothing to do with it. We admire strength and athleticism as well as courage because those are markers of agency and conqueror genes, and they are both prerequisites to living a virtuous and moral life. You can't do good if you have no agency, and you have no agency if you have no strength. But yes, I absolutely detest the idea of being the caricature of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:28 PM
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I swear the sheer illogical and randomness of sexual attraction and natural selection is one of the biggest reasons I detest the fact that I'm, against my own will, biologically inclined to want something I don't want to pursue. My desire for sex and intimacy is something baked into me on a genetic level, but I quite strongly loathe the idea of living up to the standards of what women find attractive, yet I'm denied the ability to turn off my sexuality. I'm strong enough to have the mental disci…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:19 PM
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Why are women in this sub then trying to use logic to rationalize away things like men's preferences in body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:10 PM
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I want to say 8-9/10 men here have a sufficient idea of what it is that women look for in men. Problem is that it’s often the opposite of what they themselves inherently are. Doesn't this vindicate blackpill? Because this literally affirms that if you do happen to belong to the demographic of men who are too unattractive to find a willing and suitable partner, it's better to give up because at least then you won't be wasting your energy on impossible goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:08 PM
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why would you settle down with someone who doesn’t have the job security, financial savings and healthcare benefits It's not even that this is unreasonable for the specific reasons you mentioned, but wanting it all available out the gate just makes you come off as both conditional and transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:21 AM
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A emotional connection can increase physical attraction, by the way. Apparently it doesn't work like that for everyone, but for me it does. Yeah, but I'm not going to be emotionally attracted to you when I don't even know you and you're just a stranger to me. The primary way of drawing someone's attention before you even establish that emotional connection is physical attraction. I think, "I want to have a physical and emotional connection with a good looking person" is a common sentiment among …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:59 PM
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Do you actually *want* to be in a relationship with a man who doesn't want to have sex with you, and isn't physically attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:35 PM
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They mean it as an insult. I think you already know that too, so not much more to add.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:27 PM
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Would you agree with the overall prevailing sentiment that dudes who struggle too much with dating should first learn to be happy alone, and to not want a relationship, and only then will they be ready for one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:39 PM
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1) Who is "us?" 2) Least you could do is thank us for our charity, accepting your premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:41 PM
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Even dead a soldier is more virtuous than a natural slave unwilling to sacrifice for his state, people, and imperator. In fact, it offends the gods, whose opinions matter so much more than yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:33 PM
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In tua parte, mane.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:25 PM
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Elaborate please. Are you trying to say that traditional gender roles render women shallow and 'basic becky.' Holy fuck that's literally what he said. Replace "society" with "gender roles" in the argument you're addressing and you have his original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:18 PM
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Propriam vitam in servitio rei publicae, imperatori, et ethnos offerre inter summas virtutes et honores est, et homines a servis separare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:07 PM
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They were considered essential to society insomuch as motherhood and family was considered essential. They weren't actually consulted for their thoughts and opinions in the same league as men. You should read what Cicero says about women to get an idea of what a contemporary perspective of women actually looked like. Pretty much every discipline was for men EXCEPT religion. And yes, Romans educated Greek women, and rich women, but this doesn't mean they saw them as equals. They also educated sla…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:40 PM
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I'll admit my bias because most of my study of ancient Greece comes from classical Socrates Plato Aristotle, who all were Athenians. Additionally, contemporary sources about Sparta were also written by Athenians because Spartans themselves never left behind that many literary works. I've studied the presocratics as well, but never directly as what I know of them comes from Nietzsche or Schopenhauer (who both had a low opinion of women lol). Even then, they were also Athenians. I think the only G…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:37 PM
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Kind of calls into question why some women attempt to berate or shame men, who aren't interested in them as people, into offering commitment, doesn't it? Call it misplaced priorities if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:41 AM
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In ancient Rome and Greece, women were considered unsophisticated and shallow and therefore generally, friendships and deeper relationships with them were simply not pursued. What many people look for today in romantic relationships, either companionship, a sense of family and belonging, or a shared life together, was met through close friendships with other men, and was the reason male friends and companions were valued a lot more strongly than otherwise. If a Roman or a Greek were to answer yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:11 AM
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Nah, close partners and family don't deserve simping either. Nobody does, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:54 AM
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Imma need ChatGPT to decode this shit because I have zero idea what OP is on about
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:53 AM
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The least he could do is accuse us of simping for someone cool, like Justinian the Great, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus Augustus, Marcus Antonius, Marcus Tullius Cicero, Belisarius, or Alexander the Great.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:51 AM
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No, I am, because I said so
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:31 AM
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Ok so your argument is that anyone who wouldn’t stay in an abusive relationship doesn’t love their partner? What is your point here in arguing over semantics? In a genuine and selfless sense, yes. That is my argument, and how I distinguish between the kinds of love associated with romantic connections, in which there are practical needs for healthy boundaries, vs someone who would impale himself on someone else's sword for his country, his king, or his community. I do not care for 100% “uncondit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:21 PM
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Scientology is indeed built upon logical premises and suppositions, yes. For someone who seems so sure of himself, you don't seem to know the difference between logic and truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:17 PM
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And in the same vein, love can’t be unconditional if I’d lose love for my partner if he started abusing me, cheating on me, talking down to me, acting self centered or developing machismo, etc.. Part of the conditions on my love is that he treats me with kindness and not in any paternalistic way. It's not love then, at least not not genuine and authentic love, or what Aristotle called Agape, because by definition it has no conditions or requirements to exist, and is self-sacrificing. Yes, it's i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:01 PM
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Growing up in a religious environment doesn't make you an authority on religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:53 PM
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might catch flak for this but seeing through a logical lens and believing in god are somewhat going to conflict. If you have an elementary understanding of religion, then yes. It'll seem that way. But theology is a very deep branch of philosophy and pretty much every major theologician, from Aquinas to Augustine, were big time logicians. In fact, it's literally in the title, theo -logy. It is a logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:50 PM
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I lived in Armenia during study abroad, and want to clarify it's not Roman Catholicism that's big in Eastern Europe, but Eastern Orthodoxy. It looks similar to outside perspectives, but it's a crucial distinction originating from the Great Schism almost a thousand years ago, and creates a lot of cultural difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:48 PM
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Your dating circle should ideally be in your religious demographic. I was raised as a Roman Catholic, and when I was growing up, my church held Sunday schools, religious events, and hosted an overall tightly knit community where everyone's parents knew each other, and by extension their children. In an ideal world, society should be united by common values, traditions, and a way of life. Navigating challenges as they relate to people having differing values is a unique challenge of navigating di…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:46 PM
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There's no such thing as hyper-transactional. It's either based on a rational exchange of value, or it isn't. Love should be neither “unconditional,” In any meaningful intellectual and cultural sense, love is unconditional by definition, and characterized by an unwavering, unrelenting devotion, that carries through until death. Anything else makes it into a subjective and logically undefinable experience, as there wouldn't be any objectively defining criteria that meaningfully distinguishes it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:27 PM
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You sound like an ordinary woman who grew up around my local religious community. Your standards are reasonable as long as you don't date in a decidedly secular crowd. Out of curiosity, what denomination are you? I only ask because that actually matters as having your own religious community will be essential for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:23 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:21 PM
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They literally do. They're among the first people to shout as loudly as possible that unconditional love doesn't exist. They interpret love according to egoistic love, where a "loving relationship" is one in which both parties have their needs met in a rational and self-interested exchange. It's an inherently economic way of looking at love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:00 PM
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but my feelings need to go to other people that care. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:41 PM
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I think looks matter a lot less for men than they do women. Men weigh looks in a woman a lot more favorably than women do men. Even good looking men stay single if they simply don't have the social qualities women look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:00 AM
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If the perceived power dynamic in a relationship isn’t in their favor then they’re uncomfortable. Or they want a traditional SAHM and a career driven ambitious woman just ain't it. Why do you always have to frame it as insecurity or power dynamics when Occam's Razor favors a simple mismatch in personal values? In fact, if you're a man who wants a more traditional dynamic, careerism as a whole should be a red flag, both in yourself and a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:50 PM
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Yeah, and get used to being single if you don't want to do this and you don't have people to set you up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:30 PM
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Maybe, but isn't that what makes this such an interesting thought experiment to consider? I'm a hypothetical future in which it's possible for people to augment themselves with machine and computer technology as well as artificial growth and genetic engineering, how much of yourself can you change before you're no longer human? At its core, transhumanism isn't just about augmenting or enhancing human life. It's about fundamentally redefining and changing human nature, according to design and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:53 PM
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It's all hypothetical, but I personally don't think you'd experience sexual desire anymore if 90% of your body is cybernetic and you don't even have genitals anymore, and your mind has been uploaded into a networked singularity powered by computer tech as well as a natural brain
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:42 PM
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I think you completely glossed over where I literally said sex itself would become antiquated. There wouldn't be any sex bots, because you probably wouldn't have the physiological want for it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:35 PM
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I genuinely wonder how many men who are so insecure and fatalistic about their looks and self identify as incels, rather than envisioning some sort of social collapse, instead find appeal in going the opposite extreme with transhumanism and some sort of technocratic sci Fi future, because on paper this hypothetical reality has everything that could appeal to them minus giving them a relationship. In a hypothetical future where humans merge with technology and become cybernetically enhanced biome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:25 PM
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I think that's a rather limiting view because I see physical attraction as being a prerequisite for a romantic connection. I too wouldn't bother with a woman if I wasn't attracted to her, or if she generally wasn't my type. But that doesn't mean I can't recognize her as a person and look for a connection beyond physical attraction once that baseline is met. I define a fetish, in the context of this conversation, as eroticizing or developing intense sexual attraction to specific physical traits, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:50 AM
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Not quite. For now, we can't even have a discussion because we haven't yet even agreed on the meanings of the words we're using. If you and I are both talking about totally different things when we use the word "fetish," the discussion can't continue. Even when you say, women are usually the object being fetishized, that's meaningless in this discussion if we both mean different things by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:36 AM
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I fail to see why a fetish implies an inability to have attraction beyond physical qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:34 AM
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You people must be using that word with a totally different definition than I am, because I fail to see how this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:39 AM
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Why do you assume having a fetish for a specific type precludes you from forming an emotional connection with that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:13 AM
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Then it's clear we're using that word to mean different things. I define "fetish" in this context, as "having intense physical attraction to a specific type." I'm not one to tell people they're wrong for having different definitions to the same words, even if unconventional, but that definition you're sharing isn't useful to me, because when I discuss only being valued physically, I prefer to say "shallow" instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:25 AM
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This is nonsense. Just because someone has a type doesn't mean he or she necessarily has to be shallow about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:23 AM
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we're talking about a straight up FETISH for your type I just chalk that under physical attraction. For a long term relationship, I don't care as long as that's not the only thing keeping her around me. If she fetishizes my type, but otherwise cares about me as a person, values my company and respects me, listens to me and comforts me, and provides constructive feedback every time I fuck up so I become a better person, and above all, is willing to be monogamous with me, I'd welcome it whole-hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:38 AM
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No? My physical traits are literally a part of me and I'd want to be valued physically as well as emotionally and personally. I don't think of myself as a ghost piloting an arbitrary body. My existence encompasses my physical and my metaphysical forms. If anything, I'd think being valued for my possessions as way more dehumanizing than my looks. My body is literally a part of me. If you aren't attracted to me physically, I wouldn't want a relationship even if you liked everything about me beyond…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:27 AM
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I personally don't see a problem with being in a relationship with a woman who is intensely physically attracted to me. It's only a problem if her attraction doesn't go beyond those things, but that's an entirely different discussion I feel like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:00 AM
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Interesting. So would the association with social materialism and rationalism or rational self interest with the market come from thinkers like Ayn Rand, Rothbard, or Milton Friedman instead? I understand they're all "free market" liberal academics, but beyond that point they're radically different. I haven't studied Mises, but of the above I find Rand to be the weakest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:20 PM
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Don't you think reducing all human behavior to transactional interactions in a market is a uniquely materialistic and reductionist way of understanding human nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:03 PM
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This implies you can upgrade your league with money and status like passport bros who seek foreign brides in third world countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:46 PM
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Doesn't that make the point that it's a cultural issue, and a problem with how we perceive family life and raising children? Btw, from your username, are you polish?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:58 PM
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No. I'm saying south Korea is going to demographically collapse and become a failed state.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:44 PM
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That's a descriptive observation of how mass culture today perceives children. This is obviously a very different thing than "equating childlessness with happiness." Making a general observation about how children are perceived in no way implies the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:20 PM
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You should read again but closely. I made carefully sure to distinguish by phrasing it as "happiness outside of a family," which logically implies happiness within (raising) a family is a very valid possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:05 PM
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You should come back when you learn to argue without using a strawman or shifting goalposts and to engage with complex ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:22 PM
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China today is 98% Han Chinese despite occupying territory which historically was inhabited by a far greater diversity of cultures. Yet they're almost gone from the genealogical record not from extermination but simply because the Han continued to outbreed them and inter mix with them while keeping Han birth rates disproportionately high to the point where their genetic remnants even in their modern descendants are so low they're negligible. This is what happened to the Manchus, and idiots who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:31 PM
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I don't think the Decline of the West can actually be postponed anywhere nearly as much as the fall of Rome from the collapse of the western half in 476 AD to the eastern half in 1453 AD. This is because if history is indeed cyclical, then we experience historical epochs faster due to technology and therefore we pass developmental milestones unusually sooner. What took the Romans 200 years may only take us 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:27 PM
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She literally doesn't care about the future outcome of her own community. She just admitted it indirectly. Arguing with her further is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:21 PM
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I'm talking about that guy, and not young people in general. He literally just admitted he'd rather spend extra money on things than a family, and unashamedly admitting to hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:19 PM
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That's cool. You're a self solving problem that'll go away in one generation, and should just be made to pay 30% more in taxes. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:18 PM
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I genuinely don't think anybody is serious about lowering the average age of having your first children, and therefore increasing the birth rate, unless they get behind removing the social expectation of you absolutely needing a degree to be considered a complete and employable adult. To be honest, I think even public education lasting from age 5 - 18 is too long. I'd reform it to be from 5 -12, with a 4 year "college system," which specializes in young adult education and making you employable,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:16 PM
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What's a peter pan?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:12 PM
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Half of the world's population, around 3.5 billion people, is just India and China. We aren't overpopulated, and I'd rather not live in a world where just two cultures dominate global demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:10 PM
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The problem isn't so much that he doesn't want children, but the fact that society even produces people like him. Hedonists are almost always a net negative on every society they exist in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:09 PM
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You're not even arguing a coherent point. This is just inarticulate rambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:04 PM
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It always elicits a chuckle out of me when sheltered children think they can repopulate themselves with other people's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:03 PM
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This is a capitalism problem first, and a cultural issue second. Yes, we have a more selfish and atomized culture today, but it genuinely begs the question how much of it is consequential to the material realities surrounding 21st century life. Capitalism literally rewards mercenary behavior and putting yourself and your economic ambitions above family and having children. In the modern west children are seen as a burden and not a blessing because they're a net financial negative and because peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:36 PM
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Self actualization might mean professional ambition, which definitely Roman senators or Greek philosophers had, or any conquerer or general...Or if we move it forward, why did all poet or painters created their art? Why they didn't "just had a family" and worked till death? They wanted to express themselves and fulfill their potential Said by someone who has never studied Greek or Roman philosophy in any serious detail and is now commenting on them from the position of a modern person. No, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:14 PM
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I think you're projecting uniquely modern values and perspectives onto the Greeks and Romans and fundamentally mischaracterizing and misunderstanding their entire philosophy as a result. Maslow's hierarchy doesn't make sense unless you presuppose liberal individualism as a conceptual framework of self-identity which exists in a specific historical context, and was absolutely absent in the ancient world. You're absolutely wrong. Self-actualization as it's understood by 20th century psychologists …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:51 AM
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I generally agree but I'd hesitate to fully endorse the sentiment only because there's enough women who want men to be competent providers right out of the gate as if they're going to start trying for kids after date 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:44 AM
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The good news is you can do that any day and nobody would stop you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:24 AM
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You're not pointing out anything beyond looking like a jackass arguing against yourself in the same comment. At least try to consistently argue one (1!) point without immediately contradicting yourself before attempting criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:01 AM
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Great comment even though the guy literally contradicts himself at every attempt to reinforce his point? He begins by claiming men were happy, then proceeds to describe how it supposedly wasn't so happy for men, as if he can't make up his mind and forgot his own argument. That poster is by far one one of the most confused midwits who writes here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:15 AM
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"When people see a weak horse and a strong horse, by nature they will like the strong horse." - Osama Bin Laden
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:00 AM
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I was going to comment, but this already hit the nail on the head for me for most of what I was going to say. There's also that premodern societies didn't have this obsession with individual self actualization and happiness as the end goal in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:00 PM
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But why is it your moral duty to help someone who doesn't want to be helped? That's the premise of this whole debate. He wants you to walk away and let him die.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:27 PM
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Are you really helping someone if he doesn't want to be helped?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:00 PM
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Is it really up to you to decide what's best for someone, even if it's a life and death situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:55 PM
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You should go see a therapist instead of posting narrations on reddit nobody asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:21 PM
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This is literally the libertarian interpretation of morality centered around the NAP, and it's been around for longer than you've been alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:14 PM
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Nah. This is the logical consequence of cultural individualism taken to its most extreme, or just exposure to poverty, disease, and famine. Either or.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:12 PM
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I think he's saying he's totally cool with bleeding out to death in those situations, or at least doesn't expect any help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:00 PM
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People generally don't care to see men struggle because for the longest time in human genetic history, men were born to struggle. It's how we survive and build civilization and thriving societies. "If it is endurable, then endure it." - Marcus Aurelius
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:33 AM
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If you're dating and marrying above your league lookswise with money, then aren't you mainly being valued for your money if she says yes? Isn't that what women on this sub always try to explain? Like if you were broke and poor and she wouldn't be with you, then why would you want her when you have those things if love is supposedly intended to be unconditional? inb4 people jump on this comment with some double digit IQ take about how "unconditional love doesn't exist" missing the point entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:28 AM
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А как ты бы знала, что твоя жизнь бы хуже под советским союзом?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:21 AM
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I agree. Upon reading it again, your comment was very clearly illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:10 PM
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So you're not debating me in good faith and are just looking for ways to say "man bad" while patting yourself on the back afterwards. Cool. You should spend less time on reddit and more time with your father and uncles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:09 PM
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This is non sequitur, on top of not falsifying or challenging anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:50 PM
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First you're talking about women who are childless, unmarried, and adopting. Now you're talking about women having more choices than men, while repeating the pseudo biology nonsense from redpill evolution psychology. That's a very interesting attempt at shifting goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:48 PM
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Think about it. She's basically admitting to having even less of a solid argument than a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:48 PM
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Unironically yes. People are allowed to assume anything they want, and to be with whoever they want. Both sides, men and women, should communicate their non-negotiables from the beginning so that both sides have all the information they need to decide whether they want to agree to the relationship or not. I personally think it's reasonable and would cause a lot less hassle if the guys wanting paternity tests just treated it like a prenup. Tell her it's a requirement for you before you'll consent…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:47 PM
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Honestly the best way to go about this is just to let her know you want a paternity test before you even agree to get married or have children. Just treat it the same as a prenup. Make it clear it's one of your relationship non negotiables, and from there the woman has all the information she needs to decide if she wants to continue with the relationship or not. If not, she's within her rights to leave, but then she wasn't the one for you anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:44 PM
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He can just be open about it from the very beginning and tell her he wants a paternity test for a child before they even get married or have kids. If the woman wants to leave after that, she's free to do so. But personally I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a paternity test regardless who your partner is, but for it's own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:41 PM
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No we're not. Humans are not a rational species. We are a rationalizing species, and there's a big difference. It's not that we aren't capable of reason, but that our nature isn't inherently rational or defined by rational metrics. Instead, it's more accurate to say we just reason to justify what we were already going to say, do, or believe anyways ad hoc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:06 PM
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I mean yeah, if you don't want to settle, then forfeiting all romantic relationships and accepting celibacy is an option. It's just never going to be normalized on a society wide level because by definition those people don't reproduce and pass down their genes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:04 PM
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If a tree falls in the middle of the woods, with nobody and nothing to witness it, did it actually make noise?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:45 AM
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You should consider Islam, because you're on the right track on realizing why they segregate their women from men their whole lives until they get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:33 AM
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The door to the flight deck is locked pretty much at all times and inaccessible to passengers, and there's usually always multiple entry doors on commercial airliners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:31 AM
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Holy fuck, we've come full circle to where the equality crowd is now arguing for segregation. What a time to be alive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:28 AM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:26 AM
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If getting married and having a family is an important value to you, then you will settle because you have no choice. Everyone settles to a certain degree. Nobody gets their perfect partner they envision in their heads, because they don't exist. And the older you get, the more you settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:28 PM
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If you're a fifty year old who requires a woman to be a virgin or have N<=3, you have to settle or be single forever. If you're a fifty year old who wants to have children naturally, without the use of fertility aids, you have to be hot enough to attract someone half your age (impossible for most), or settle. If you're a fifty year old who wants someone who's both physically attractive and has little to no romantic experience, you're going to have to settle or else you'll be single forever. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:22 PM
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What we need to do is normalize men being alone. Not every guy is going to be paired up and that’s okay! This assumes sexuality is something entirely socially conditioned and not biological. It is true that in a modern society, human sexuality is a complex interplay between social, cultural, religious, and biological factors, but arguing that socially normalizing men being unpaired overfocuses on the social and cultural aspects but ignores the biological ones. Just because you aren't writing cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 06:48 AM
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Oh ok. So you're challenging my more fatalistic portrayal of dating as it exists for a specific subgroup of men by instead affirming an optimistic view instead, whereupon anyone can improve their chances regardless of age, circumstance, or life experiences? I'd say that's a very bold claim, and point to the lack of evidence that just anyone can "improve dating prospects" in a meaningful way sufficient to attract a partner they actually desire. To use a very absurd and extreme example to illustra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 06:06 AM
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and use that experience to find a better one. This line right here proves you either didn't fully read my comment, or it went over your head lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:42 AM
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I'm not redpill. I'm Roman-pilled. I never said men rise in value as they age. I think men exist to live a moral and virtuous life according to natural good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:37 AM
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Of course being single and finding a partner gets harder as the years go by The problem is some guys have been single for way too long and their dating pool becomes extremely limited, at least as far as partners they can realistically attract, so their choices are to either settle, or to permanently give up. Therefore, you should reframe the situation to be more accurate, because for many men it's not a choice between settling for someone you're not enthusiastic about and being single for a whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:15 AM
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Yeah. There's definitely a lot of nuance involved, because for example certain US blue states have gun laws which are so strict it's easier to own a firearm in Russia than it is in California for example. But I was always of the impression things like AKs and M16s aren't legal in the EU, but apparently I'm wrong, and humbly stand corrected. How difficult is it to go through the process of getting those legally where you're at? I'm under no false impression these are actually inalienable rights i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:26 PM
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Yeah. It's the AKs and the M16s I'd be worried about if I tried to own my stuff in EU. I'm sure anywhere that lets you own guns would allow bolt actions maybe with the exception of the bayonets lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:43 PM
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Aren't 30-round magazines banned throughout the EU though? I've got a bunch of Kalashnikovs in addition to 5 round bolt actions from both world wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:01 PM
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Maybe implement the KMT solution to landlords.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:04 PM
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What country in Europe are you where you can own guns? Half my firearms would be outright illegal in most of the EU.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:02 PM
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u/kongeriket pointed out comments where she allegedly admitted to being a government agent. If true, it would indeed explain a lot. She is genuinely, literally, unintelligent and unimpressive however. Throughout the entire time I engaged with her last night, she frequently accused me of holding a religious and fundamentalist interpretation of biology and sexual reproduction whereupon I believe the success of a sexual strategy is determined by its morality. That is, she accuses me of arguing that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:50 AM
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Wouldn't describe her as neoliberal. That's a term which has uniquely economic connotations rooted in the Reagan era market reforms. It's a school of capitalism which emerged from the late cold war. Instead, she's just a typical entitled brat in the body of an adult who wants to have her cake and eat it too. I haven't been able to gleam a single coherent position from four hours of debating her other than she appeals to nature whenever it suits her, such as subjecting men in a sexual competition…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:22 AM
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She's the kind of disingenuous poseur who adamantly denies arguing natural selection and evolution are "perfect" just because she didn't use the specific word, yet by her own language describes it as having no flaws. You can't reason with people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:11 AM
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The ad-hominems already began...hahahahahahahahahahaahahha my fucking sides!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:29 AM
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Your brigade is just a clownshow at this point. Uh huh. Says the ideological coward lashing out like an overly emotional and petulant child when confronted with her own arguments and even right now are attempting to side track and divert attention from the original criticism being made. You both made the claim that reproductive processes are flawless, and that we shouldn't apply moral reasoning or judgement onto them because they are natural processes which occur beyond moral reasoning. Don't de…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:28 AM
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In case you're blissfully unaware, this is the same sub. You're reacting like a hysterical loser when confronted with your own words and you're attempting to castigate me by lashing out and putting words in my mouth which I never wrote. Seems to be a commonly recurring theme with you. Apparently I apply religious ideology to mating and reproduction, and argue for redistributing women to men and stripping women of their autonomy, yet you can't point to a single comment which I wrote today where I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:15 AM
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ridiculous lie Refuting you is so fucking easy this is borderline cheating. Anthropic Assistant GPT-4o Claude AI If three different language-learning models are in unanimous agreement that you claiming "there are no flaws in sexual reproduction, only design," means you're directly claiming they're flawless and infallible processes, the problem is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:09 AM
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What is with people on here making strawman arguments? I didn't say that. The person I responded to portrays appeal to nature arguments as "male" arguments, and therefore I pointed to an example of a woman using the very same logic. Nothing more. I actually find grounds to agree with women when they call out this particular woman for the same reason I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:30 AM
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Either just want to troll, just want to get a reaction out of the opposite gender perceiving themselves in a divisive gender war, or just want to be right for its own sake. You're absolutely right that it's better to disengage from those kinds of people or to not take what they say very seriously, because they argue in bad faith and demonstrate they're perfectly willing to contradict themselves in an effort to be right for its own sake, and not because they're willing to actually challenge their…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:07 AM
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I agree actually lol, at least she's not a logically coherent one if she consciously identifies as one. In her defense though, I don't think she's even arguing from a logically coherent position. She argued that "sexual reproduction is neither moral nor immoral. The processes in place work, that’s why you and I are here." I countered that position by affirming that we do, indeed, apply and assess reproductive tactics and strategies according to moralistic lenses, or else we would not condemn rap…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:04 AM
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I fully understand. I stopped taking her opinion seriously when she legitimately attempted to argue Genghis Khan employed legitimate means to become reproductively successful in an effort to be right and to defend her original position at all costs. In one comment she told me we should not apply morality to sexuality and reproductive strategies, but in another comment she...made a moralistic argument to condemn an alternative sexual/dating solution I never actually made. To say the least...I sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:56 PM
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She defended feminism in previous comments in different days. However even if she wasn't, the original comment I was responding to addressed 'appeal to nature' fallacy as male argumentation, and therefore I provided a counter-example of a woman using it. ...in her latest comment she accused me of advocating for solutions which either restrict women's autonomy, or subjugates women with "beastly ways to treat women," ...while in the same comment affirming Genghis Khan employed legitimate means of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:51 PM
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You should learn to engage with an argument without making strawman rebuttals. It both makes your position weak, and makes you appear as someone who's unserious and incapable of holding a rational engagement. The idea that we should account for women's suffering when we assess dating, reproductive, and inter-sexual dynamics is a moral argument, and not a naturalistic one, thus undercuts you previous assertion that we should disregard morality and ethics in matters of sexual reproduction. The maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:42 PM
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There's literally a woman on here claiming that natural and sexual selection are flawless right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:32 PM
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So rape, conquest, and outright killing your sexual competition is a valid and legitimate reproductive strategy? Why keep assigning morality to genetics? Because I observe that every civilized society applies moral limits to reproductive tactics even if they may be successful from a purely naturalistic perspective. Therefore, it is a reasonable position that we can judge reproductive behavior through moral lenses as much as we can biological ones. Unless you're arguing we should return to litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:26 PM
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If there are no flaws in sexual reproduction, then surely it's not a flaw that Genghis Khan was the single most reproductively successful man who lived?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:07 PM
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Except we do assign morality to mating and reproduction, or else we would not punish and condemn things like rape, harems, cheating, bride napping, grooming, huge age gaps, pedophilia, etc. The most reproductively successful men are all rapists and conquerors. Monogamy is completely irrational from a purely naturalistic view. Its origins are entirely cultural and moral. I don't think appealing to nature is the direction you want to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:59 PM
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Is this like, a roundabout way of you claiming it's other men ruining it for men who don't want to have to compete with tens of thousands or millions of other men to get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:51 PM
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Marriage in medieval times was a family issue and not so much an individual issue between the people getting married. Your parents arguably had greater say in who you married than you actually did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:45 PM
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Why do you assume you'll be an Athenian oligarch/philosopher I assume I'll be a normal fucking person, because most people in any time period were normal people. I'm saying being a normal person in Greece was better than being a normal person today, spiritually and morally. Projecting yourself onto the bottom caste tells me nothing other than you see yourself the most in solidarity with slaves, betraying how you view yourself. Even right now you can't point to anything that makes the modern worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:37 PM
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Why do you always project yourself as a slave any time you imagine a time period you existed, if you aren't already one spiritually? It's also very telling you think going to war to die for something is edgy. If self-sacrifice is something so foreign to you then we have nothing in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:11 PM
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Reread my post again but slowly this time. I was literally talking about myself too. No need to be hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:05 PM
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A lot of men would claim men like you don’t exist or you’re just coping because you can’t get casual sex. I have a six pack and probably have a more athletic and trained figure than many dudes on here who think it's a "print free sex" card lol. The reason I don't get casual sex is because I'm introverted (athletic men can be shy, shocking) and don't go out of my way to look for it. I also know myself to know that even if I was offered casual sex, if I accepted it, I'd trade 30-45 minutes of plea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:38 AM
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I used a personal example to make a point. I'm actually open to premarital sex because I'm high libido, but I have to see her as relationship worthy first and that's a non-negotiable. I'm uninterested in sleeping with a woman with whom I don't see a future with, which means I have to be emotionally invested in you first. Therefore, no hookups, and no ONS. I'd be totally okay with waiting for marriage if we still lived in a time men got married at 16 and inherited an estate (when no sex before ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:15 AM
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Which woman? You? My mother? Or the woman I'm trying to attract? I'm uninterested in a date with a woman who entertains an "us vs them" mindset, or who looks for relationships based on what she personally gets out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:09 AM
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This is probably it. I'm confident in my looks and my appearances, regularly work out, and my clothes fit me well, but I'd attribute the reason I've always been single to the fact I'm just not on the market and never put myself out there. Men or women, you're not going to get into a relationship, either a serious or a casual one, if the #1 place you stay after work, school, or anywhere else you have obligations is home.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:04 AM
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But honestly no man has ever asked me about my sexual history just my relationship history. Like what’s the longest and why did it end and what did I learn, etc Personally I agree directly asking someone how many people he/she has slept with is distasteful when first getting to know someone. I would indirectly ask, but would probably word it as "sex is something intimate for me and something I am only interested in exploring with someone I'm emotionally interested in, because I was raised in a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:56 PM
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I can totally understand that. The problem is that how men value sex isn't going to change how a woman values sex. Any man I've had casual sex with was no more valuable to me than a sex toy. So it's a bit of a red flag when a man says he wants a relationship but then complains that he's not being treated like a hookup. If he wants to be treated like a toy, he can be. But that's antithetical to being in a relationship. If it's easier for you to have sex with men with whom you don't want a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:51 PM
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Prioritizing yourself over anybody who'd date you is a surefire way to stay single, or at least being deserving of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:31 PM
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Honestly, the only time I’ve slept with someone on the first date (and that only happened a couple of times) I knew immediately I thought they were hot but not a serious person. I saw zero future beyond casual sex. I didn’t want to get to know them more. I wanted to sleep with them immediately and then several more times and move on with my life. If a man wants a LTR but is also someone who closely associates sex with intimacy, then he's going to view it as a red flag you had sex with someone yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:29 PM
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I have a question for you. In good faith, I promise, I'm actually genuinely curious: would you date a woman who had hookups in the past if she's not withholding sex? Not him, but from my perspective, any self-respecting man who also associates sex with intimacy (to make it abundantly clear I'm not talking about men who want casual hookups) will automatically be insulted by a partner who sleeps with casual partners sooner and easier than with him, and there is no way to control for this other tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:25 PM
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Strange given I've been studying the language for the last few years and just came back from living in that region. I'm anti-democratic though so sure. Guilty as charged as far as "ultra unorthodox" goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:47 PM
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I'm not talking about the general population of Afghanistan lol. I'm specifically talking about the Taliban themselves - people with something to actually fight and kill for. Most men need a cause that's greater than life they're willing to catch a bullet or a sword to the face for. Without it they become demoralized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:43 PM
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Just imagine a person from any other time period learning about today's world: "You have food, safety, cures for most illnesses, a place to stay, justice, you can look at sexy naked ladies anytime for free, but the only downside is you have to work a safe boring job Monday-Friday 9 to 5, and actually go outside if you want friends?". These are what make life more comfortable, not worth living for. Safety, cures for illness, shelter...and porn I guess, aren't things which make you actually want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:25 PM
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By successful, I mean it's the economy which modernized the most rapidly and quicker than any other nation in recorded history, and elevated the most number of people out of poverty of every country in the world, all while closing the technological gap with the most dominant economic and military superpower, and very soon the military gap as well. No other country has been able to emulate at any time the level of rapid technological and economic development as what China underwent from the 1980s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:45 PM
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I'm 2nd generation southeast Asian living in the US lol. But I was raised catholic so I have religious continuity with ancient Rome itself, and by extension ancient Greece.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:37 PM
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Roman culture indeed heavily emphasized honor, but was also a popular culture which focused on citizenship, community, and the citizen's duty to his city as the cornerstone of everyday life. To the ancient Romans and Greeks, the individualism we profess today would be alien and unknowable to them, because they make sense of personal identity through language, way of life, religion, and your profession (or specifically what services you offer to your community at large). Therefore, to the Romans,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:20 PM
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"Oh that's why I'm working at Costco for 15 dollars an hour! Because Blackrock owns all the housing! Me dropping out of my Interpretive Dance degree at university has nothing to do with it!" Hot take, but you get paid $30 an hour to push carts at Costco (and $45 on Sundays), and with healthcare, dental, optical, 401k, life insurance, and other benefits. So that's around $70k a year pushing carts and assisting at the front with benefits, which is around the annual salary of a US public school tea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:12 PM
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We don't need to have society to collapse so that we can reintroduce "struggle" I mean, clearly you're doing something wrong when despite all your wealth, apparently people who join the Taliban are on average happier than the ordinary American despite not owning cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:06 PM
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Our material lives are better, but our social and spiritual lives are deteriorating rapidly. Point to me someone who actually thinks the modern world is the greatest time period to live, and I'll point to you someone who fundamentally doesn't value anything beyond matter or materialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:03 PM
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The average American has less freedom of expression today in actual lived practice than a comparable white expat living in *Russia.*
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:59 PM
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I think we both need to define our words here to avoid confusion between the two of us. I'm also going to point out you just contradicted yourself because if, according to you, a career speaks about who you are as a person, then according to you it does define your sense of self worth. So by "job," what I mean is a responsibility, a duty, or a position that's seen as a means to an end, and simply what you do for a stable source of income. That's it. By "career," what I mean is a long term vocati…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:20 PM
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Not just that, but having a career says something about who you are and what you want to do with your life. I agree. That's why I care about careers... enough to select against career minded people, because women who define themselves according to their economic output aren't compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:49 PM
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Most people have a job, not a career. There is a difference. Defining yourself and your self worth according to your economic activity is a very materialistic way of looking at human culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:47 PM
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If a woman thinks I'm valuable because of an impressive career, what happens if I quit or get laid off? Or what happens if I live on 1/5th of my income and don't match the expected lifestyle of my earning?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:43 PM
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Because he's a 'homo-economicus' who lacks a conception of the world beyond a materialistic paradigm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:43 AM
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Rape and kidnapping are actually very common mating strategies in a natural environment. Nothing about modern dating, or human civilization for that matter, is "mother nature."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:39 AM
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Nobody in the 21st century uses a free market anywhere in the world. Every economy is a mixed market economy with some or more degrees of state planning. I also like how you use North Korea as the best example of a "planned economy" while using a geographical region for a "free market," completely glossing over the fact that China is the world's most successful economy right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:38 AM
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It is a market as free as it gets. Which is an intellectually meaningless statement because at one one dating under literal feudalism was "as free as it's gotten."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:35 AM
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Top men don't actually exist in a pure state of nature simply because humans are biologically terrible at surviving without interpersonal cooperation. 5 average dudes could take down a "top male" with average difficulty, especially if they're armed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:34 AM
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Esse scio me rectum. Sum semper rectus. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:59 PM
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There's a limit to that sentiment. If your standards are so unrealistic that you select out 99% of available partners who would realistically be in your dating pool, then you being single is your own fault. We see this play out all the time for both genders, such as if men want a virgin past 30 who fucks like a pornstar, or if a woman wants a 6'3 athletic 21 year old with a half million dollar income.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:52 PM
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Is anyone real on the internet? If I think and therefore I am, then am I interacting with you, or an idea of you which exists in my mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:52 PM
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Yes. I'd rather swim through acid than to dedicate my life and sacrifice for someone who doesn't actually like who I am and with whom I'd need to wear a mask near 24/7
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:11 PM
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Tell me exactly what would prove to you that women care about men, without having to resort to limiting women's freedom. That's impossible, because you speak for yourself, and not "women" as a monolith. At best, you can prove that you individually care, or even show that women you personally associate with do, but not women as a general collective. And you've said enough where I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Therefore, I would say if you're telling the truth, you're genuinely w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 03:57 PM
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Humans used to commit genocide casually. Constant war between neighboring tribes was the norm for most of human history. I'm directly arguing those very people are more pro social and well adjusted than we are. Just because we don't go to war and attack other nations as often doesn't prove we're pro social. In fact, it proves the opposite. War is an existential struggle and both a state and a collective issue. It's usually people who are more connected with their local communities and their soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 03:14 PM
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If there were a solid plan with strategies that would help men get in the relationships they want without limiting women's freedom, I am willing to bet all women would absolutely be on board with that. This is just worthless virtue signaling. No, women don't care that men end up alone, because they have no reason to care, and it doesn't affect them either way. People only care when it's convenient for them, and like to pat themselves on the back by making pretentious virtue signaling posts like …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:41 AM
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You're side-tracking. If a man wants procreation sex only, how does it not make sense for him to select against women who are, or were, into casual sex? Sex is supposed to be fun. Sex is a personal thing and it's "supposed" to be for whatever I damn say it's for in my personal life. Same as anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:50 AM
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I can't relate. Nobody I know including myself is willing to do it, even if we take too long to have kids. I would legitimately rather split with a partner than to use technology which I'd see as fundamentally changing what it means to be human.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:27 AM
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I'm around Catholics. I don't know if this is just a protestant thing for you, but generally I've observed the more conservative men and women are, the less receptive they are to using artificial birth technologies. Particularly true if they hold strong religious beliefs, because then they're much more likely to perceive them as infringing on "god's design."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:17 AM
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You'd have to find a very progressive guy to go with that. A lot of men I know aren't comfortable with conceiving children with technological assistance, including myself. They want natural conception and childbirth. It's also very questionable how many of those eggs would even survive. Speaking only for myself, I'd rather remain childless than use reproductive technologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:09 AM
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What woman who's had casual sex is going to agree to procreation only sex in a monogamous marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:48 AM
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That's not what he said. To dumb it down, he's essentially saying women generally don't care if men end up alone and never have romantic experiences, because to women it's not their problem and they have no obligation to care about men beyond the bare minimum of not infringing on their legal rights. And this apathy isn't exclusive to sex or relationships. You probably wouldn't care if the mailman who delivered your bills got into a car accident and died tomorrow. What's it to you? Someone else w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:17 AM
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Most people, men and women, don't care about the majority of other people in general. It's not a redpill or bluepill thing. Modern humans are the most self-centered, apathetic, and anti-social generation in human history because that's the kind of people the modern world, technology, and work culture creates. The fact that men in particular who express they're sad about being single and can't get into a relationship get told "just learn to be happy without a relationship" is very telling. It sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:12 AM
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most of the attractive women I know 25-35 are pretty content doing their own thing even if RP want to paint them as desperate, worrying about hitting the wall and their womb drying up (or whatever). "The wall" only matters to women if they explicitly and intentionally want to have children (that are biologically theirs), because the longer they take to find a husband, the less of a fertility window they'll have to conceive children naturally. If they're happy being childfree, then yeah, it doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:09 AM
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Lol I like how he chose to hyper focus on anal and to ignore the bigger point you were trying to make. Classical reddit right there. The worst part is I don't even have to agree with your opinions about sex to see the merit of the bigger argument, which is the general decay of the overall public moral character.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:06 PM
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So I was right about you. Your judgemental beliefs say more about you than it does the people you're judging. You just admitted your beliefs come from trauma and you projecting your personalized and subjective experiences onto the rest of the world. I highly doubt you're even old enough to have any serious cultural immersion into any meaningful number of world religions. Nothing I say to you here can convince you otherwise because nothing you believe is based on a rational or logical foundation.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:34 PM
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That judgemental belief says more about you than the people you're talking about. Virginity until marriage is a common cultural practice and widely held belief in the majority of world religions and cultures. If your worldview leads you to the conclusion that the majority of the world's cultural and religious values teach perverted beliefs, then the problem is with your worldview. This seems like a very commonly recurring thing from suburban or city liberal Americans who have zero contact with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:07 PM
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Sounds like your father had a preference and not a sincerely held belief. An ethical stance is something you hold as an objective position by definition. If you believe premarital sex is wrong, you will absolutely teach your kids not to have it, and punish them when they do. Otherwise, it's a personal preference and not something you actually believe. People aren't perverts just because they don't treat their ethical beliefs like a relativistic preference and don't believe in anything like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:55 PM
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I genuinely believe father's who try to protect their daughters' virginity/virtue want it for themselves, plain and simple. You don't think father's who are against premarital sex exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:02 AM
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what's demonstrably true is that the most common type of bear's attacks (brown bear) are extremely rare, 1 every 2.1 million. You're comparing apples to oranges. Bear attacks are rare because bear encounters themselves are rare. Women encounter millions of men for every one bear they encounter on average in their lifetimes. For a 1:1 comparison, you have to compare the outcomes of encountering the same number of men vs the same number of bears, and every singular encounter with a bear is much mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:52 AM
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Bars, clubs, and hobby groups are excellent starting points. I specifically asked for examples which did not involve drinking or partying. If you can't follow the prompt, then don't answer. "WhAt'S a SoCiAL SeTtInG?!!11?!2" Ah, okay. So still refusing to engage in good faith. Thank you for making it clear I shouldn't waste more of my time by entertaining you further. You...you don't know where fish live? "When a wise man points to the moon, the imbecile observes the finger."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:31 AM
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This is a passive aggressive and condescending non-answer that's as good as you saying nothing. What the fuck is "social setting" supposed to mean? A place where you meet people is a social setting by definition. Be specific. This is about as worthless as saying someone who wants to catch fish should go where fish swim. Well no shit sherlock. Additionally, it's extremely ironic how you're unaware how that last line makes you look like a jackass instead of someone giving good faith responses whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:21 AM
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And I gave you multiple options. ...such as? I'm still waiting on even one example that's not an overly vague non-answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:14 AM
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You said men who don't want to go to bars, clubs, and parties shouldn't complain that it's impossible to meet women, therefore directly implying you believe those are the primary places to meet and approach women. Therefore, I appropriately asked you where men who don't enjoy drinking or partying should find partners. Being a condescending ass instead of defending your opinion isn't a good look.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 04:59 AM
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You live in a really fucking boring and one dimensional society if you can't imagine a healthy social life that doesn't involve partying or alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 04:39 AM
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If you aren't interested in those areas, that's fine, but I'm not sure why women are expected to put up with guys who don't like those areas. So how do you meet women without involving any of those places? Alcohol being a prerequisite to meeting a partner is a really shitty and one dimensional cultural outlook to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 04:35 AM
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Can you think of any context outside of a bar, a club, a party, or a festival where it's appropriate to approach women out of university? Within your social groups doesn't count because we're strictly discussing cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 04:13 AM
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That's demonstrably not true or else they'd flee men at first sight as they would a bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 04:08 AM
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I'm 27 and I don't think I've ever approached anybody in a way that wasn't purely casual and germane in any way, especially not in a cold setting. But sure, in the spirit of the question, it's true I've never told anyone I was interested, even if i was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 03:52 AM
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If you're both buying a house together, why is it so important to you that he has to be able to afford the house all by himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:45 AM
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Ok, so do you distinguish between able to buy their own house vs going to buy their own house? Because from my own personal subjective standpoint, I don't want to own multiple houses, even if I could afford it. If I'm going to inherit my parents' house, I'm not buying another one unless I intend to actually live and settle somewhere else. But this is just my opinion. Obviously if yours are different, your standards will be too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:12 AM
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If a man allows himself to be swayed by this fantasy and postpones the beginning of his life by waiting and waiting until he achieves a six pack and a six figure salary, he’s going to be bald, wrinkled, and socially awkward from two decades of taking himself out of the game. I've actually got the six pack and I can confirm it does nothing for you if you don't actually put yourself out and talk to women. Traditional upbringing and not redpill manosphere content was what originally taught me six f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:23 PM
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Maybe he's like other people and would prefer to have a relationship before he's an established guy in this 30s because anything otherwise would break the myth that men are loveable regardless of financial milestones?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:18 PM
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You're going to be more successful financially in your 30s than you are in your 20s, which increases the chances of success for some men who weren't attractive enough in their 20s for a LTR, but it's based on money and external sources rather than you as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:17 PM
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I would urge you though, not to assume intentions, not to assume that the first time a woman does show interest I mean, if someone showed interest in me now? Then yeah she's obviously not after resources because I don't have that kind of status. And it's not the fear of being used for resources alone. It's the demeaning idea that I have to pass specific prerequisites to be considered attractive, which is a mindset I know I'm going to develop if I have to wait another 7 years until I'm set, moved…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:13 AM
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I would urge you though, not to assume intentions, not to assume that the first time a woman does show interest I mean, if someone showed interest in me now? Then yeah she's obviously not after resources because I don't have that kind of status. And it's not the fear of being used for resources alone. It's the demeaning idea that I have to pass specific prerequisites to be considered attractive, which is a mindset I know I'm going to develop if I have to wait another 7 years until I'm set, moved…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:13 AM
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I'm not there yet. I'm a 27 year old university student. I've just never had anyone express interest and have been told all my life I should be waiting until I'm established. But I don't want to follow that anymore. I don't care about money, and don't want to be with someone with whom it's important beyond the bare minimum to live. I'm mainly just thinking for 7 years into the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:58 AM
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I don't think it's ever fully possible to detach your decisions from emotion, because they actually form more of a fundamental foundation of your decision making than people care to admit. Humans aren't actually a rational species. We're a rationalizing species which uses reason to justify decisions we were already going to make anyways. Of course this isn't to say that one should allow an unbridled passion to drive all of your action and submit to anger issues, but it's important to acknowledge…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:17 AM
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How many times do I have to fucking say if I made it to this point, I wouldn't be dating because I'd forfeit romance and look for love outside of sexual relationships now, both for that reason, and because I'm uninterested in exploring romantic connections if my only opportunities will come at 34 when I'm already established? So it quite literally doesn't matter that it'd be a red flag because I wouldn't be on the market anyways. Yes, you're right. I'm not contesting the OP. I'm sharing anecdota…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:49 AM
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I agree that you shouldn't live in anger over it, but resentment isn't always a bad thing, and it exists for a reason, and that being it's a psychological coping mechanism to deal with and address trauma. Letting go of it can simply mean you've passed the point women could offer you the kind of connection you're looking for, particularly if you're only interested in starting a romantic relationship before you're fully established, so you learn to accept it and to look for love outside of romanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:33 AM
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They're not necessarily with me for money, but being seen as valuable only conditionally upon passing specific financial and professional milestones is off putting if you prioritize emotional connection independently/separate from those things, particularly if you're specifically looking for a relationship where you grow together with someone while working on yourself rather than joining two complete people who are already established. If these women didn't know you at 24? Why would you assume t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:30 AM
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Not him but speaking for myself I have noticed women seem to express more interest in me any time I'm actually traveling outside of the US than in the US. I doubt I'm the only person with similar experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:13 AM
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I fully agree, which is one reason why I decided if I make it to that point, I'd abandon romantic relationships in general and look for love outside of them, such as through religious pursuits, communal relationships, and nurturing already existing familial relationships I already have. And generally speaking, I'd advise anyone else who's resentful to do similar because they're objectively not in a place psychologically to be in a relationship. If you haven't had romantic connections while wanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:59 AM
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Maybe the person who likes you at 34 would've also liked you at 24, you just simply didn't meet There's no way for you to know or to test for this without being purposefully dishonest because it's impossible to time travel and to relive past experiences, and therefore unless your circumstances tell you otherwise, making it to 34 without having had even one romantic opportunity would create circumstances that validate the belief you aren't considered a valuable partner until those external milest…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:48 AM
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Sex is a terrible reason to get into a relationship if that's the #1 thing you're looking for. If sex was all I wanted, I'd just go to a SW because it's way more direct, your boundaries would be much more explicit, and you don't waste your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:32 AM
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Why the hell would I choose to date a woman who has fundamentally incompatible values with my own, or who would judge me for a different life path?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:24 AM
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Sure there are, and women are free to pick who'd they'd like, just as I and any other man are free to choose who'd we'd prefer as well, and I prefer not to date anybody who'd overlook me based on whatever financial milestones she'd like for me to have at the door. I don't even value money beyond the bare minimum I need to survive and pay for my enjoyments anyways, so I wouldn't be compatible with women who value financial success beyond that point and chase "status." I quite literally don't give…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:17 AM
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pass on to your family ...what now? How is the concept of inheriting family property at all consistent with the idea that a prospective partner has to independently buy his house? So if I'm understanding you correctly, you intend to pass on your house to your children, but you wouldn't date someone who lives at home who's eventually going to inherit his parents' house, so you wouldn't date someone who's effectively in the same position your children would be in?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:13 AM
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I'm at $25/hr in retail part time as a full time college student. I also receive 401k, healthcare, dental, optical, and life insurance in addition to that. Therefore, you can clear $20/hr even in retail.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:56 AM
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See? There is no power play unless you make it one. There are women who might live and austere and frugal life with you, but I feel it would just frustrate you to share your life at this point. You're making it way more complicated than it needs to be. I simply said: I'm not interested in dating, if I only get romantic prospects after I'm professionally established, because then my personal circumstances would validate the idea I'm only conditionally valued according to specific external milesto…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:47 AM
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Anyway, I suppose you could pull a Coming to America and hide the fact you’re actually a well-to-do and cultured prince, and test her. But that’s a shitty way to treat people who did nothing to you except choose you a little later in life. I live in the US, but come from an extended family culture so I wouldn't even have to do that, because traditionally we don't move out until after we get married. Generally speaking you can simply live with roommates or family, and donate any excess money you …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:35 AM
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I’m 28, and I’m certainly not dating a gas station attendant who switches minimum wage jobs every couple months, what would we possibly have in common? I have a mortgage, a little land, cars and a few toys. Why would I settle for someone who is far less established? Just to prove “he’s hot”? No fucking thanks, I don’t think irresponsibility is hot. Nobody's telling you who to date, at least I certainly am not. And I don't hold it against women who reject me either, because I recognize the world …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:22 AM
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Almost everyone grows up and wants to settle down and spend their life with someone they trust and can grow old with, and that seems to be hitting around thirty these days. “Settling down” does not mean settling. Again, there's a difference though between finding that around 30, but still having had dates and relationships which didn't work out prior to that point, vs literally not having anything at all until that point. At least the first group has life experiences that both allow them to deve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:17 AM
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Generally speaking, women don't owe men relationships or anything beyond the bare minimum level of self respect necessary to peacefully coexist in a civil society, however this doesn't mean it's not understandable and normal for men to develop and internalize feelings of undesirability when their entire life experiences validate their suspicions of only being valued after certain external accomplishments are met. If you want to be valued for who you are as a person regardless of what you physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:02 AM
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Generally speaking, women don't owe men relationships or anything beyond the bare minimum level of human respect to peacefully coexist in a civil society, but this doesn't mean being unattractive or undesired in your formative years isn't going to understandably cause psychological trauma and encourage internalizing feelings of undesirability, particularly if his life experiences seem to confirm that he's only valuable after certain external milestones are met. Your questions are beside the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:52 AM
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This completely distracts from the issue and doesn't actually answer the question I brought up, and ignores the difference in life experience between someone who's single in their thirties, but has gone on dates and had relationships which didn't work out, vs someone who is starting from absolute zero at 35. The second case is way more likely to adapt an anxious avoidant attachment style from a decade and a half of no relationships at all as a defensive coping mechanism, especially if they wante…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:46 AM
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There's a difference though between finding the right match later in life vs having literally zero romantic or relationship experience before you get there, which is what the OP is actually discussing. Having romantic connections and experiences, even if they're limited to the occassional date here and there, at least helps you develop basic emotional maturity and vulnerability and to learn more about yourself in those kinds of dynamics. But having literally zero romantic experience until you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:37 AM
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How do you *not* be resentful of the fact you simply weren't attractive enough, either physically or mentally, to be considered a worthy partner for either a sexual or a romantic context until certain milestones are accomplished in your thirties? To me the primary difference between a 34 year old and a 24 year old is the level of financial stability and professional accomplishments they've reached. Therefore, as a man I'd feel very fucking shitty knowing someone would take the 34 year old versio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:31 AM
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A lot of guys here will literally put the importance of their general physical desirability over everything else, including being loved in a long-term relationship. That's usually because most guys accept that you need to reach certain financial milestones before you're actually considered for long-term marriage material, so men who haven't yet gotten there usually just go for the next best thing which is sex without committment. I'm just speaking for myself though because I'm surrounded by wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:09 AM
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You took it way too literally. It simply means women leave as soon as they get bored. Nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:34 AM
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I'm muscular and lean... And single lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:15 PM
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Personally, I'd rather be judged on my looks than external milestones and what I physically possess. I'm anti-materialistic though so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 08:21 PM
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Speaking from my own experiences you're dealing with a sub demographic of men who listen to the sound of their own voices more than other people. I think regardless of who you are, or how well socially adjusted you are, a long period of social isolation fucks with your mind, and unfortunately the modern world is very good at creating more of those people, because village and local life doesn't exist anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 08:08 PM
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I'm not devout. In fact I haven't been to church in over 8 years. But I loosely associate it due to its historical and cultural value. I'd call myself a "soft-catholic" but I spent a lot of time reading philosophy, including from multiple different religions, so I'm quite open to anybody's value system as long as it's coherent and has a solid metaphysical foundation. My religious values are therefore complex, and to say the least it doesn't make a difference to me whether I'm praying in a Cathol…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:17 AM
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We'll see if this gets deleted, but my entire life I've literally been told to purposefully become a "beta bux" if I want to have a stable marriage by the men and women in my family. My parents grew up with traditional values in a third world country, so they taught me that I should be established in my career, fully independent, making good money, and have savings before I seriously date. But I just turned 27 years old and still live at home because I didn't go to university right away after I …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:07 AM
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You can give generic advice, but you're not allowed to ask for specific advice on this sub. For example, if I posted to you my personal situation right here, why I'm having trouble navigating dating, what my specific insecurities are, and how I should fix them, my comment would be removed. It's rule 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:49 AM
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Even when men on here do want advice, this is a shit place to ask for it. Posting on here has only worsened every single insecurity I have around dating and taking everything people post here at face value, whether it comes from men or women, would have you come to the conclusion it's better to be permanently single and to go see sex workers rather than to actually seek out a relationship. The only thing this god-forsaken place has created is an environment that offers both men and women a petri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:40 AM
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men made the most noise about “genuine desire” and expressed pee-pants fear of Beta Bux and dead bedrooms. Suddenly dozens admit they don’t actually care if she’s genuinely attracted or not, so long as she makes pleasant noises in their direction. Out of genuine curiosity, what do you think about posts like these? I think the reason men are willing to entertain imaginary realities is because that's their only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:28 PM
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But where are the Beta Bux guys? Aren't you afraid of being played, used for resources? Where's all the teeth gnashing about genuine attraction which is so popular here? They're happily in relationships. A beta bux dude literally already knows he's in a transactional relationship except he specifically and purposefully signed up for that. The people who complain about beta bux are the ones who don't want to be beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:48 AM
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Maybe if you call me smart, and encourage me and tell me I'm doing better, I'll read it again. You don't have to mean it of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:02 AM
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You ever get the idea you're talking about different groups of men? Men who can pull probably care more if they're genuinely loved. Men who don't have options are a lot more open to illusions. Personally I think it's very telling that incels whine about the lack of sex more than the lack of romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:55 AM
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The guy is right. Why do you think things like AI girlfriends and sex bots have a demand? For some men, the illusion of having love is better than having nothing at all for the rest of your life, because to them that's their only option. They don't care that the robot doesn't actually have the capacity to love them. They don't care that the gold digger or the prostitute doesn't actually love them. She just has to act like it, because the illusion of love is better than the reality of being worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:51 AM
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Well, I told you in a previous conversation. My parents are from Vietnam, and their values had a very lasting impression on me growing up and still do as an adult. And traditionally, men were expected to provide while women kept the house. Yes, the world has changed, but how that was explained to me was that women can work, but should have the option to stay at home and not have to work if they decide to, and the man needs to earn the same amount if not more money to provide stability. Literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:54 PM
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Everyone I grew up with including my parents were able to provide on one income, but lurking this sub you'd get the impression the reason I never got any relationship experience in the US was because I set myself up for failure by purposefully not expressing interest or asking anybody out until I'm fully established in a career that can provide. Apparently wanting the same lifestyle that my dad and my grandfather before him had is chasing an impossible goal according to reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:38 PM
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So the only ones that have a stay at home parent as an option are usually the top 1-14 percent of high income earners. Which really is a niche. Is it really this bad in the US that you have to be a top 14% earner to provide on one income?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:29 PM
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Ok. I'll bite. So what should a 27 year old college student who lives at home while working part time do to get success with women, according to red-pill? I thought these things mattered, but apparently not according to responses I get on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:51 PM
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I thought RP defines a high value man according to access to wealth and resources in addition to other things like fitness, confidence, and status?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:22 PM
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Traditional relationship dynamics evolved from a time the division of labor and social responsibilities according to the biological difference between men and women made sense because before the invention of electricity many jobs which were capable of supporting a family were jobs which required male strength. The idea that women didn't work until the 1970s was actually a myth which comes from the idea of the 1950s American nuclear family. In medieval and ancient times, women worked arguably jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:00 PM
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Well, the belief that men who aren't chad should wait until they're in their 30s and established in their careers to date and hook up with women, a belief that's quite prevalent among those who self-identify as TRP, kinda sorta directly implies these same people see $$ as the most compelling reason a woman would even be with them. It also implies when women look for partners for their looks, sex appeal, or other reasons beyond money and status, there's better options. I know this because I'm tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:28 AM
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I already told you in my comment before this one. It's because of the realities I outlined to you that a man has to have a portfolio which demonstrates his qualifications and skills as a valuable partner in order to be considered, much like an employee does when applying for a job. We know that women generally do a lot better without romantic attachment and access to sex than men do, because women have a reactive based sex drive whereas men have a proactive based sex drive. This causes the forme…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:18 AM
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Gender roles and our expectations around men and women's places in society are ultimately downstream from our biological makeups and qualities. Women can get pregnant while men can't, and sperm is generally cheaper than eggs from a purely naturalistic perspective, as evidenced by the fact that men can produce millions of sperm constantly whereas women are limited in the number of children they can conceive. Men, due to testosterone, also generally have an easier time growing stronger than women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:05 AM
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He overly reduces relationships down to sex alone, but he has a general point that even in egalitarian societies, men are generally still expected to outearn their partners, or at least make as much as they do bare minimum. This is in addition with the expectation that he has to contribute value to her life and therefore, in economic terms, he's comparable to an employee. He's someone who needs to have a portfolio with applicable skills, in this case being money, status, emotional maturity, stab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:55 AM
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I think non-taxpayers and/or people who didn't serve in the military shouldn't vote. Hic est unus verus vir!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:17 AM
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My family came from a country and culture where men are expected to provide stability and a comfortable life for a family. Your input counts, only it's strange to me because women literally have no reason to marry men who can't provide for them or aren't at their level. As I said earlier, my mother was the first woman who taught me that a man's SMV is related to his income. When I took a woman on a date during study abroad, she told me I'm in over my head because I'm not yet a high earner. You s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:39 AM
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I can't relate. I didn't go to university after I graduated high school. I worked and saved money to buy a car and have savings, and didn't attend university as a full time student until seven years after high school. Women my age are better educated than me and make more than twice as much as I do. Women I study with are 6-7 years younger than me. Either way, it still seems to make the most sense to wait until I'm in a financially and professionally better place before I start to date, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:49 PM
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Yeah sure, but women choose who they can fall love with, and you can either love a rich(er) man or a poorer man. Your life is overall still better partnering with someone who has more money than you than the alternative. The idea is that even though women can work on their own, she can choose not to work if she would like and fall back on her husband who provides stability. Either way the man's role is still to provide, which is why both my mother and my aunt tell me it's better to wait until I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:28 PM
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Most people who post on reddit don't have a conception of history that predates 1939, and for many who post here Ukraine is literally their first real war. Therefore, a lot of the nuance of history is lost to this audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 09:55 PM
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My parents are traditional and happily together, so I wouldn't say it's all terrible and doom or gloom. But sure, I guess it's confusing trying to reconcile traditional gender expectations and norms with modern realities. My mom is very traditional and the first woman who taught me that men should provide in a relationship. Redpill if anything just confirmed what I was already told. For me, the idea that a man's "SMV" is determined by his income and stability literally comes from both my mother …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 09:52 PM
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My parents and siblings don't know what red pill is, but they're extremely traditional and heavily lean into gender roles. My mother always tells me to make good money before I date because she was the first one to teach me that the less I make, the more likely a woman would leave me because I'm not as stable or as good a provider. When my sister started dating, my mom judged him according to his salary. He works a tech job which seems promising, but my mom encourages my sister to pay attention …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 09:47 PM
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It's very telling that you refer to sex synonymously with relationships almost implying that's what you reduce them down to, when they are related but distinct concepts. Sex isn't anywhere near a need as interpersonal relationships are, of which romantic ones are just one kind. With that said, it's okay to want something, but it's very sad and pathetic when you have to debase yourself into doing something you're against or don't want to in order to get it. I'd rather live one day on my own terms…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:48 AM
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No you don't. You can still refuse to play by their rules even if it means being single. You shouldn't do anything you're against just to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:47 AM
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That doesn't have to include approaching women. In fact, if you're an undesirable sperg, you shouldn't be approaching women anyways. You should be working on yourself to not be an undesirable sperg before you give relationships and dating a chance. Always work on yourself though. Absolutely, but I think you underestimate how unattractive a lot of the people who post here are. Telling literal 1/10s to approach women to learn social skills is counter productive when they should be working on thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:45 AM
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Sure, doesn't mean you have to play by their rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:27 AM
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Generally speaking, yeah you're right, but it's pointless to approach if you already know you're going to be rejected. It's not that you "can't" approach but that it would be a waste of time if you did. I'd say for some people their time is better spent working on themselves rather than approaching random strangers and acting like a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:26 AM
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Take a page from that book and stop being a puss puss. You know as much as I would like to because being Roma pilled is my whole thing, that's also a good way to get arrested and ostracized by the global community. The world as it exists today doesn't encourage conquerors and warriors nearly to the degree it used to. You're expected to conform to global capitalism or get left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:19 PM
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What's so wrong with waiting until you're either financially better off or more independent before you begin to open yourself up to relationships? Generally, women like men who are more independent. I've been told all my life, including by women in my family, if you don't have your shit together, that's what you should be focusing on before you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 05:48 PM
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I don't think I have a lot of options living at home at 27, even if it is to save money while I'm in university.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:33 PM
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I actually have enough money in savings to buy a brand new car and still have thousands left over if I really really​ wanted to. I'm financially stable with no debt. It's how I'm able to have expensive hobbies and travel. Been to six countries with number seven coming this September. The issue is living at home and being in university at 27
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:20 PM
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I was pretty anti social in middle school and high school so I pretty much wasted those opportunities to meet and socialize with women. As an adult I was focused on working and didn't go to university to study full time until six years after high school. Now I'm focused on getting into my career before I give dating any serious effort. I'm fit and athletic, but I've come around to accept that I'm one of those men who needs money to get anywhere romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:55 PM
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I think I see. That still implies there's a minimum level of economic and professional achievement required before you should start dating as you yourself acknowledge there's expectations that correlate to your age. That 21 year old for example is already doing better than me. I'm 27 and halfway through university and work a decent enough job that helps me pay for tuition and personal costs independently, but not enough to move out with the cost of rent, or to put money in savings for post-gradu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:08 PM
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I think about it a lot, and I see delayed adolescence as having both cultural and economic factors. On the economic side, living standards have raise considerably within the last 500 years from which traditional family values originated around gender roles. You used to be expected to be a fully grown adult and capable of working and providing as young as 16 in many places. By 18 or 20 you were already a father and providing for your first child. In a modern first world economy past the industria…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:55 PM
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I don't believe I'm understanding you correctly. Am I to understand you mean we're supposed to have all of this ready then socialize with and date/meet with women way before you're 35 years old? So independent, nice job, no debt, a car, apartment or house, and education at 21, and dating from then on? If so, doesn't this lend credence to the fact if you're older than that, and don't have that all set, all the more reason you should focus and get your shit together before it's too late? I don't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:47 PM
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I think social skills are important, but you don't get to be social unless you're independent. Nobody wants to look after a dependent. When I was a young kid I was always taught to focus on my homework and classwork before I went outside to play. I never left the house unless all of my classwork was done. Similarly, as an adult, I think you should be spending your time to work on yourself if you're not independent especially at an age other people are. So if you aren't financially independent, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:35 PM
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How is what I suggested any different than telling men to be better to attract women? Isn't that what you're suggesting the problem is, that men who are single and lonely don't try enough to be attractive to women? Don't all of the qualities above make you more attractive to women? In other words, I think men need to step back and work on themselves and not focus on women until they're in a better place. Yes I agree that dating is social, but IMO you don't get to be social unless you're also a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:21 PM
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Do you think dating culture would be overall better or worse if all men would put off dating until they were complete and had life all figured out? So no dating until you're financially stable, in a respectable career, live on your own, are physically fit, have no debt, are clean and well groomed, own a car, and are physically and financially ready to care for a family? Even if it means some of these men have to wait until they're 35 years old or later to start dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 04:16 PM
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But men like you loved to mock me and claim that I didn’t exercise or train. You don't know me, or know anyone "like me." I'm not going to respond to you further if you're just going to put other people's words in my mouth and attack me for them mocking you. You can go talk with those other people instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:04 PM
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Did you lose weight after doing all of that? Because I'm muscular and lean, and I didn't have to train that frequently to get here. Americans seem to be at a disadvantage compared to most of the rest of the world because the food quality available in the states seems uniquely shit. Like i wrote to another user, when I was in Europe, I learned that apparently white breads sold stateside is legally considered cake there because of the sugar content. Soft drinks and sodas in America are sweetened w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:52 PM
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I'm 27 years old and my experience with being fit isn't typical because I have abnormally high metabolism and can maintain a six pack so long as I keep in routine while barely watching what I eat. So the level of effort I have to put in to keep my appearance doesn't necessarily represent what other people have to do. I've also noticed lately that social messages have gone back to the 80's that you have to be hyper fit and fairly obsessive about your food intake in order to be classified as looki…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:47 PM
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I use the phrasing have to rhetorically. Really it just means you have no other options. Yes you're right. Nobody is forcing you to date your options, but if your options aren't attractive to you, then you stay single. Even women go through this. You can read about it if you lurk r/datingoverthirty
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:30 PM
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It's kind of demeaning when you train at least three to five days to look after your appearance and you have to settle for someone who doesn't do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:24 PM
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"And yet you still refuse to drop your standards to your level" Unmatches
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:17 PM
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Well, you tell me. If your long term goal is to emigrate and move out of the US and to settle in another country already, should you date an American woman? Or should you date where you want to move to? Because I think asking another American to uproot her culture and move with you is selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:05 PM
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I spent all of high school terminally online and reading what TRP and MGTOW wrote about divorce and hypergamy used to terrify me because back then I was a hopeless romantic who wanted to find my "one and only." It also reinforced my decision to not do anything to socialize with women which is how I made it to 27 without having had a girlfriend. There's a lot I have to undo and work through if I want a healthy relationship. I travel a lot now which has broadened my views a bit. The first date hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:52 PM
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If you want to explore, find someone who's up for that and leave the girls who are waiting for marriage alone. There's sexually expressive and less conservative girls of all looks ranges. If you can't find one of them and have to pressure someone not interested in that so you can use her as a sex XP loot farm, you're a loser and absolutely do deserve to be called out on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:33 AM
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It absolutely matters because trying to pressure a virgin into having sex with you while not actually wanting to commit to her is a slime ball and scummy thing to do, and would likely get you a black eye if she has a brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:27 AM
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You should already be in the gym before you're even old enough to lust after and think about women. Beyond making me feel great about myself and having energy, half of my hobbies wouldn't be feasible if I wasn't fit and athletic. Taking care of yourself physically is a general quality of life improvement including women and beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:25 AM
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Think about it from a guy’s perspective. I'm a dude. Would you commit to the first woman that gives you a one night stand? Or would you perhaps have higher standards for commitment? So, 99% of the time there’s a guy much hotter than you willing to have sex with her, but not willing to commit to her. What does any of this have to do about pressuring sexually reserved women into having sex with you? That's what the OP is asking about. Accepting your premise that women can easily find more attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:15 AM
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If you cheat on your spouse because they reasonably and understandably lose their looks with age, you're a piece of shit. This is true regardless of whether you're a man or a woman. A man who can't keep by his word is a man with no honor, and a woman who can't stand by her husband is a woman who can't keep a home. I personally value physical connection in a relationship as much as I do emotional connection, and so I'd do my best to preserve my looks and be attractive to my wife, and would marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:10 AM
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I'm confused by your question? Are you asking about women who are already married by 40? Or women who made it to 40 single?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:55 PM
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Why would you have to lower your physical standards to find women who are promiscuous and would be open to exploring with you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:54 PM
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So, your choices as a guy are to drastically lower your physical standards and explore with uglier women or try to convince the women actually in your league to give you a chance to explore. Do you...actually believe there's a relation between how promiscuous they are and how attractive they look? Doesn't this indirectly tell us your physical type tends to correlate more with women who are promiscuous?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:36 PM
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I think it's reasonable to expect out of a partner the same energy and effort you put in. If you're waiting for marriage, then it's reasonable to expect your partner to be compatible with that. This goes for both genders. I never understood the whole "lock and key" analogy unless you legitimately derive your ethics from evolutionary survival tactics, because if that's the case you would also logically justify rape and murder because those are also legitimate survival strategies from a purely nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:12 PM
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5 - I earn enough to provide for both people, even his minimum wage is already a good bonus to my salary Out of genuine curiosity, how old are you? Most women in my family would actually care about something like that and judge a man based on his income. We're from Vietnam though so my parents' experiences are shaped by poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:22 PM
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Huh. Do you have a source I can look at? I'll happily stand corrected if I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:33 PM
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Overall? Yes a lower suicide rate. But I'm talking about suicide rate among students. That's a specific demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:22 PM
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Of course adults can be manipulated, but you can be manipulated at 21 just as you could at 35, or even 45. After a certain point, when you reach legal adulthood, it's less useful to focus on age and more useful to look at the specific dynamics of the relationship individually. Lol yeah this is just an American thing, mhmm. Yes, it's an American thing to call men attracted to a woman in her twenties a pedophile. Muh red pill buzzword Lol Jesus Christ you're an insufferable prick. When you delegit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:08 PM
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Because it makes no sense to bring it up in the context of age gap relationships unless you also imply that age gap relationships are inherently more problematic than any other relationship configuration. And to be blunt with you, I don't accept input on my reading skills from pretentious pretends who lack critical thinking skills and can't connect a conclusion, or an implication, from a premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:05 PM
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You could just as easily drop "young adults" and say "people who intentionally manipulate people are bad people," without any of the extraneous details that don't add to the argument, and have a more clear point. Once someone is of legal age, it makes no difference whether a manipulator targets a young adult, or someone from a different demographic. He's still a manipulator, whether it's a 21 year old adult, or an illiterate and uneducated 35 year old. Therefore, the argument isn't clear because…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:02 PM
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Take your own advice and slowly reread the first statement, figuring out independent clause from dependent, and recognize he just explicitly stated age gap relationships inherently have a risk of "manipulation, coercion, and abuse." Again, this is a deranged take that only people from the anglosphere could believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:59 PM
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Hilarious coming from the guy who didn't read his post directly implying women in their early twenties in age gap relationships were being groomed or manipulated. I probably have a higher command of the English vernacular than you while also speaking three languages.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:54 PM
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early 20s due to the high risk of manipulation, coercion, and abuse. The fact that you believe someone in their early twenties in an age gap relationship is being manipulated and abused in any higher capacity despite being a fully grown adult is proof itself you're infantializing them and denying them agency. I'm not triggered. I just find American obsession with age quite jarring because the rest of the world literally doesn't give a fuck if the guy is 5, 10, and even 20 years older as long as …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:41 PM
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He literally did. "What a strange way to defend age gap relationships," implies they're inherently bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:37 PM
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Nobody argued otherwise. Then shut the fuck up about grooming. They're adults; not kids. They're responsible for their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:31 PM
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People in their early twenties are adults. Nobody outside of the US, Canada, and Australia infantalizes them nearly as much as you do. For the majority of people alive, age gap relationships are normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:25 PM
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Except this logic falls apart because if you were simply using financial leverage to pull someone desperate because she's in poverty, you don't need to leave the US to do that. America has plenty of women in poverty already. In fact, with the way the US is heading, that's only going to grow. Therefore people clearly PPB because there's a cultural factor too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:20 PM
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Japan's very collectivist and family centered culture, as well as their cultural and traditional expectations to perform, but now with the combination of modern work culture, a modern education system, and late stage capitalism is a very unhealthy mix and things are giving, as evidenced by their impending demographic collapse. As a high schooler, you're considered to be a "failure," not just to yourself, but your entire family and deceased ancestors, if you fail to perform to expectations. Unfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:14 PM
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Japanese high school kids also have some of the highest suicidal rates around the world due to cultural pressures to perform. Not saying the specific reforms are bad, but we shouldn't be idealizing the Japanese system.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:16 PM
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What the fuck dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:53 PM
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For the most part, you're still expected to have a respectable career and be capable of providing for and outearning your wife should she need you to even in an era of increasing women's autonomy and their ability to outearn their partners. So it's a strange time when many men are still cockblocked by money meanwhile women can find a date at almost any income range despite women not actually needing a man's income to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:11 PM
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This is why older guys aren’t attractive they are weak, you have to act strong or be strong. Personally, I wouldn't be with a woman who'd leave me when my strength wanes with old age. I believe in needing to be strong too...but for none of the reasons RP does because I don't base my personal standards around keeping and attracting women. You should be strong because it better enables you to serve your community and your family, and people can lean on you more. But otherwise, I have enough self r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:33 PM
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It goes back to dating being a social skill because falling in love with someone requires basic social skills as a prerequisite because you're dealing with another person. Your comments tend to overfocus on people trying and being rejected thus it becoming a problem with them inherently putting people off, but for a lot of people the problem is they never even get that far to begin with. They don't put people off. They're just anxious and pull *themselves* away from other people. It's relevant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:19 PM
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He's like 40 dude. No matter who you are you're going to be physically disadvantaged compared to a group of youthful teens with higher testosterone than you. I've even seen Iraq and Afghanistan vets who've "lost it" over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:13 PM
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Holy fuck mongo said something I agree with. I prefer 10mm though because I'm "that" guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:11 PM
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Because he's bringing up an example of people who don't even get that far. You're talking about people who try to socialize and put themselves out there and still struggle and don't get dates. Neurodivergent people don't even get that far, and tend to have nobody around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:01 PM
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You develop better social skills and meet more new people if you have a strong social network. These things are beneficial for dating. If you're a very social person with a broad network of friends and some hobbies that involve other people and you're STILL not getting any luck, there's something bigger that's offputting about you. Speaking from experience half of the problem is that many of the people who complain don't even get this far. They're introverted, shy, anti-social, and isolate thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:59 PM
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You know a lot of lonely men want to have meaningful emotional relationships with their sex partners too right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:51 PM
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He's not disagreeing with you there. He's talking about people who say that having friends is enough to accept a life being permanently celibate and single and to basically stop wanting intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:50 PM
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Could be? I've never been diagnosed, so I don't know. I certainly feel autistic based on how people describe autistic people online, but I have no problems doing any of my hobbies when I have to go out and meet people, like going to airsoft or milsim games, doing shooting competitions, and never having emotional outbursts or breaks. I'm anti-social and have niche interests, which is a characteristic of people who are autistic, but purposefully identifying as autistic likely won't get me anywhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:51 PM
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I've been told by my dad and my uncle in laws when I was walking around Las Vegas and a few restaurants around my location that they noticed a few women looking at me. I never noticed though because I'm socially clueless and never spent significant time interacting with women at all. I mainly socialize either online or through a small friend group into the same niche hobbies as I am. My social skills have improved after working retail and traveling frequently including on study trips, but not en…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:29 PM
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You don't need to be defensive. Reread what I said. I said GFE is for men who want LTRs but can't get one. These are men with negative self-perception, struggle with feelings of self-doubt, feel like they're not enough or unworthy of a relationship, and therefore go see sex workers who offer them that feeling of emotional attachment for a price because it's a coping mechanism and putting a band aid on a wound. The dudes who just want sex without emotional or long term commitment probably wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:21 PM
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I never measured my testosterone levels but I imagine they're quite high because I have a high libido and observe that it's pretty easy for me to keep good muscle definition when I work out, in addition to the fact I have abnormally high energy levels and enjoy going on walks and runs fairly frequently even after I lift weights, I live near a mountain trail and can jog up to the peak without a stopping as long as I pace myself and have a small camelbak with me. So I'm a guy who'd like sex, and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:08 PM
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They innately understand what it means. Except even as a social darwinist philosophy it's very reductionist because it assumes female selection is a primary driver of natural human evolution when...it never has been? The choice that women have over their sexual partners which they have today is from both a historical and scientific perspective unprecedented. For most of human pre civilization history, rape was actually a valid method to ensure your genes passed on. Sure, many people who don't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:54 AM
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If traditional provider men want a traditional woman who's a virgin, then it's reasonable for them to look for women who are 24-27 who are virgins. They don't need to look for a 19 year old virgin if women aren't interested in age gap relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:42 PM
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Red pill is a hyper-analytical method of viewing heterosexual mating dynamics It gives us absolutely nothing that thousands of years of religious traditions haven't already, except without the autistic hyper focus on rational self interest. Redpill only makes sense if you approach the world from a distinctly materialistic and secular worldview and fundamentally deny any reality exists beyond physical matter. My friendships and (non sexual) relationships have improved too, except I used wisdom fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:48 PM
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You worded your post terribly. If you can raise your SMV, then by definition your attractiveness isn't static. A better phrasing is: "IF your attractiveness is static, and you raise your standards, you will be less likely to find your partner." That's a much more agreeable statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:42 PM
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you guys talk about this on your podcasts Stop right there. I'm not fresh N fit. I'm not Andrew Tate. Stop acting like you're talking to them as if men are a huge mind or else you're no better than the people you complain about. I'm saying if young women want to date young men in their twenties, then expecting their partners to be traditional providers straight out of the gate is impossible, because most men aren't going to have that kind of status or money in their twenties unless they were eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:38 PM
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Women prefer men in their age group. What the fuck kind of 19 year old dude has a career already lined up and is ready to be a traditional provider? In today's economy men aren't ready to be traditional providers until their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:41 PM
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Except I'm challenging you because you're not actually doing that. You accused him of pursuing women who value status and money when he said nothing to indicate such, so you're not actually engaging with anything he wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:34 AM
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It's a defining feature of internalized capitalism when you convince yourself your economic productivity is a direct measure of any of those things. I can have good work ethic, intelligence, leadership, and ambition being an Orthodox Priest earning $0 an hour and contributing nothing to real GDP and at the same time I can have none of those things and walk into a "respectable" middle class job through sheer nepotism. I mean, for fucks sake, there's jobs which exist for their own sake which pay a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:32 AM
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Ahem Now listen up there littre fella, when I was a youngin I learned the value o' hard werk there pretty early, and I worked my butt off 20 hours a day at the drive in movie theater earning two bucks an hour. You young kids today simply lazy and ain't wanna work! I worked all day and all night and I saved up my money and bought me a nice '68 Ford mustang and put down my first down payment for ma' house for $200. Dang nabbit that thing could run on 4 cylinders out of 8, and I became a full blood…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:27 AM
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Where in his comment does he express he goes after women who seek status and money? He shared his opinion, and nothing more. You don't need to read into what's not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:23 AM
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Your argument doesn't logically follow. All you've seemingly done is express a sense of contempt for poor people by affirming they don't deserve love because you think killing them off or letting them pass away in silence advances society. It's a good thing you're in the minority, because if the majority adopted your mindset, we would be outcompeted and surpassed by rivaling civilizations that instead elevate their poor, like Mainland China.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:20 AM
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I think you have a fundamental misreading of what unconditional love means which is why you're confused by it. From a religious perspective, you are born with inherent value from God, and you are always loved by God no matter what you do. That's unconditional love. When you are loved for what you are, how you are made, that's unconditional. If you're an attractive woman who's loved as an attractive woman, that's unconditional love. If you're an unattractive woman who's loved as an unattractive w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:10 AM
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I'd bet those guys already do by traveling abroad or going to Vegas. But nationwide legalization helps genuine incels more than anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:40 AM
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Huh. I always felt the opposite. I'd like a partner who likes me for me, and my body and my looks are obviously a part of me, even if not all of me. Meanwhile, a job is just what I do so I can physically live and provide for myself. It's not who I am and I'd never define myself by my job. Money is just what I have. I'm not my possessions. So...I actually feel the opposite and would rather be rejected because I'm not someone's physical type than not making X amount of dollars. Aspects of my attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:38 AM
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Again, this doesn't help men who have love as an option. This helps the small minority of men, who are already so unattractive to women, love isn't in the cards for them. Yeah, they can't get love from a prostitute, but even a transactional imitation of love is better than nothing at all. See: people who passport bro or use AI companions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:20 AM
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It still removes people from the dating pool who you don't like, therefore resulting in an overall better experience for women. It doesn't have to get all of them, just a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:15 AM
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It still removes people from the dating pool who you don't like, therefore resulting in an overall better experience for women. It doesn't have to get all of them, just a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:15 AM
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No. Religious prostitution is a thing which was actually practiced. It's fascinating stuff actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:29 PM
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Rich people have an entirely different set of social rules which apply to them and are worlds apart from ordinary people like us. Once you start talking about people who book airplane tickets to Dubai, their daily lives aren't comprehensible to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:23 PM
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Probably not because genuinely unattractive men with zero room to improve don't make up that big of a demographic. But at least this would give them a legal avenue to get transactional sex without having to fly overseas to third world countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:21 PM
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So...you agree with OP that this helps women because it does remove people like him from the market?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:08 PM
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Based and Roman pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:07 PM
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You wouldn't want him anyways even before he saw a prostitute. The people who do this are absolute losers at the dating market and already have zero value to women. 0 x 0 is still 0, so no harm done. At the very least, they would have a legal avenue for transactional sex. For now a lot of them passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:07 PM
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You don't think removing players from the dating pool who pretend to want a relationship with you but only want sex is a good thing for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:05 PM
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It wouldn't, because prostitutes don't cook or clean or raise kids for you, which is what a lot of men want/need a wife for. Apparently expecting your wife to do this for you is asking for a "bangmaid" now. want an actual intimate connection with another person. OP is talking about the minority of men for whom this is absolutely unavailable. Loving relationships were never guaranteed and there are always losers in the dating market who won't succeed no matter what they do because they're unattra…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:03 PM
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I think it depends on the why. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be single if that's what you genuinely want, but if you're single because your standards are so high that the kind of person you want has objectively better options than you, then you did that to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:42 PM
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I'd say being with someone who loves you only for your bank account, with all of the bad that implies, is still more dignified than being the guy who uses AI companions and sex dolls. At least you still have a real partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:51 AM
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Are there 18-35-year-old Asian/MENA women who will date and marry the ugly retired veteran, or the unattractive weebo? Most likely. Are they mostly after his money or the US spouse passport? Also yes. Well, like the other posters have said, he either does this, or he gets absolutely nothing, because staying at home is just going to result in permanent celibacy because he's never going to be attractive enough for someone to love him for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:44 AM
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I don't think anybody would say no to hot, and trad is definitely a plus in my book, but unlike the people you describe I've still got some of my twenties left and not middle aged. Looks? I'm probably very mid. I'm athletic and have a visible six pack, but my face probably matters more for most women because generally women don't really care for muscles. Charm? Absolutely zero. I'm anti social. I've got some money though, but not a lot. I'm a university student who works part time and pays for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:38 AM
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Well...I do have big problems with western society and values...and I did isolate myself from dating in the west. I wouldn't describe myself as attractive, because I have no social skills to speak of, and I'd go with neither looks, status, or even a lot of money. I'm not going to lie though, going to Vietnam to date has crossed my mind, but I'm not past my prime yet (I'm 27), if I went over there I'd live there permanently, and here's the biggest thing: I am vietnamese and speak the language. Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:23 AM
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You realize that's just as disingenuous as me saying all women are gold diggers who want to have top 5% men provide everything for them and find husbands who act as both their ATMs and their status enablers because I lurked r/FemaleDatingStrategy right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 05:02 AM
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“Great benefits for a family?” Do you think women are looking for your HR benefits? Especially since they can vanish? Maybe not explicitly, but they certainly help before you know the guy, especially since financial compatibility is important to plenty of women. It's enough that plenty of guys including myself put off dating until we get established in our careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:58 AM
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It's also the main driving factor of romantic relationships. Without it, you have no motivation to put in any effort to build a life with someone else. Interesting. So why do you think people frequently say you should be a happy, complete, and whole person independent of a relationship, you should never seek a relationship to "complete" you, and the boldest part, relationships, sex, and love in general are unnecessary and unimportant to live a fulfilling and complete life?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:45 AM
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No amount of looks can outweigh most women not even seeing you because you spend all of your time either working, in class, commuting to and from work/class, and at home. That other lookism guy responding to me legitimately thinks "face frame height" is enough for "chad" to just materialize stacy out of thin air which is a belief so ridiculous I genuinely wonder if they're living in some matrix imagined in their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:40 AM
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TIL that apparently chad can materialize women in his bedroom without actually going outside and meeting people. The incel saga continues!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:07 AM
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Redpill is retarded because it attempts to justify hypergamy by regarding any benefit a woman gets from a relationship as a hypergamous relationship. When it gets to a point where you actually argue a woman with a dude who's uglier than her, shorter than her, and makes less money than her, is hypergamous because she likes the company he gives her, then the definition of the term is fucking worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:30 AM
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It's a terminally online American thing that doesn't exist outside of social media and online dating apps with height filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:44 PM
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Yep. That would do it! In my area the cheapest rent was like $2k a month which would have been $24k a year. You can make that go down a lot if you live with roommates or with a girlfriend/boyfriend but I always looked at rent as paying some landlord who don't give a shit about you money just so you could exist. Instead I decided to take that money and pay for tuition myself rather than take out loans. This also gives me the stability to graduate with savings I can put towards a pilots license. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:25 PM
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Eh, you win some you lose some. For the same reason I'm also taking longer to finish my degree because the first few years were just working and saving so I can pay tuition out of pocket before I eventually swapped to full time studying and part time work on the weekends. You also have to live at home to make it work because rent is expensive, so it also depends on what kind of relationship you have with your family. But yes graduating with zero student debt is awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:19 PM
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You don't need to live a wild life to have fun and live though. I just lived at home while studying and working, then used the money I would've paid for rent to travel the world and do interesting hobbies. Been to six countries now and counting, and my hobbies allow me to play around with weapons and equipment from many different time periods. Wouldn't trade it for clubbing or drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:16 PM
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He, as was I in my comment, was probably trying to respond to you saying your 20s is your time to be dumb. maybe for certain people, but for others we just lived responsibly from the get go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:14 PM
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Meanwhile I just spent my early 20s studying and working 3-4 days a week. Never had to learn how to budget because I've been spending less than I earn since I was 19 years old. Now I'm 27 and have $35000 in savings and zero debt. I also own my own car and pay for tuition out of pocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:12 PM
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Once a woman finds out a man has been with a prostitute he's cooked unless he's super rich. Arguably it's even worse than having been to jail or done drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:10 PM
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Schrodinger's danger. Women both are safe and never have to constantly worry about being in danger so men who want to protect their wives, girlfriends, sisters, or mothers are ridiculous and adhering to outdated gender roles. But at the same time women need to constantly worry about danger and be scanning 24/7 for violent threats from men because every male is a potential rapist! The comedy from this terminally online forum writes itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 08:29 PM
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Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. Relationships were never a given or a guarantee, and some people simply don't have what it takes. The good thing though is even if you can't be happy in a relationship, you can still focus on other parts of your life you can control, like your personal fitness, your health, and your hobbies or individual goals. It's like being born with no legs. Yeah, it sucks that you miss out on a fundamental part of human existence, but you still have two arms you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 08:25 PM
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Okay but isn't that you reading meaning into what he wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:35 PM
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Curious to know what the SABOT pill advises though? That shit cuts straight to the point and pierces rolled homogeneous steel ya know? So I'm curious what it says about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:35 PM
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Okay where the fuck did he say that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:27 PM
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It takes long to get attractive 20 something year old women because they have options so you need to have your looks game, your status game, and your money game on point, and in this economy, most men don't get that kind of position until they're at least 35 because those kinds of jobs are hard to come by.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:08 PM
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Yeah I didn't respond to that guy because once he started going to "face frame height" I knew exactly what I'd be getting into if I tried to argue with him. I'm 5'7 at 170 lbs, bench 220, squat 280, deadlift 320, and OHP 135. I'm not bodybuilder levels of jacked but still muscular enough to have visible abs and good definition on my chest, shoulders, arms, legs, and glutes and as a result feel good about my appearance at least and overall positive body image. I'd definitely say I'm more physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:05 PM
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That's kind of the whole reason I shared. According to incels, looks are all that matter. Yet I have the looks that most incels wished they could have, and still don't get frequent lays. Because...surprise surprise, looks do you nothing when you don't socialize or meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:52 PM
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Your statistics literally show delayed adulthood. Using your numbers, if the average age of first birth grew from 23 to 28, that's delayed adulthood. Again, I don't give a fuck if it's 5 years or 10 years. Taking longer to mature than our predecessors is a bad thing. Most other countries have IVF too, lower birth rates, and higher ages of first births. Can you please real use statistics instead of shit you made up? I don't care about comparing with other capitalist bizarro land countries that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:48 PM
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You're grasping at straws to disprove a point while doing exactly the opposite. You proved my point. Modern people take longer to mature compared to our predecessors, and the reason is both economic and cultural. 10 years or 5 years is a semantic and pointless argument against the broader point being made. You shouldn't need to be waiting until you need fertility aid to be mature enough to have kids. Only under American bizarro world capitalism is that a thing. I don't care if it's 5 years or 10…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:20 PM
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I like how you chose to make this an anecdote about you and completely glossed over everything I said about delayed adulthood and modern people taking way longer to mature compared to any previous generation in history being a big problem. If you're only going to partially engage with what I say, put words in my mouth, then ignore the rest, this isn't an argument worth having.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:07 PM
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Alexander the Great was in his early twenties when he conquered Persia. Mehmed II was 21 when he conquered Constantinople. Richard I the Lionheart was just 16 when he started commanding entire armies, and he was one of England's most brilliant kings, even against today's leaders. Julius Caesar was already a military tribune at around 27-29 Napoleon became an artillery officer at 16 years old You say these people lacked reason and temperance because you have presentism bias and you're projecting …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:04 PM
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It shouldn't take you waiting until you need fertility aids because you waited out your own biology to get any of those things. We're dealing with a crisis of delayed adulthood because modern life enabled immature behavior to persist a lot longer. The average 25 year old just 100 years ago has the maturity of the average 35 year old alive today which time wise is nothing as far as the grand scheme of human history is concerned. choosing to have kids when they’re emotionally ready, rather than be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:38 PM
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We need to go tell those men paralyzed in car accidents from the waist down that they shouldn't be relying on fertility aids. Well... Yes. That's actually one reason I'd give up on kids, being if I can't have them naturally. I'm against the use of any fertility aids. Either I have them the natural way, or not at all. We should instead rely on raped children and women, teenagers, and young adults to get pregnant, ban abortion Delayed adulthood isn't a good thing and we should stop it. Yes, we SHO…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:17 PM
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We shouldn't be encouraging reliance on fertility aids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:08 PM
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Maybe, maybe not. I base my life choices off of facts and not fairy tales. It's 2024. People get divorced all the time. Leaving your spouse isn't "terrible." It's just normal. People grow apart. People get bored. Sometimes you can't provide the same value as you did at the beginning of the marriage contract anymore. That's life. If women want financial stability and status, and I lose it, then they can leave. Whining about how "wrong" it is doesn't change anything. Ask the incel crowd how that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:06 AM
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Nobody cares. Complaining about how wrong it is doesn't change that people do it. Redpill isn't about right or wrong. It's about understanding why and how. Don't want women to leave you because you can't provide? Then you need to provide. Simple as. Personally, I see zero way this is in any way worse than women leaving men simply because they fell out of love or just got bored and "grew apart." At least I can somewhat control what I earn. I can't control someone else's feelings. We've already ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:54 AM
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He says he doesn't believe in hypergamy, "AF/BB" dichotomy, or that you need to be a "chad" to get dates. There's also the fact that "frame game" and "dread" is a fucking autistic way of looking at courting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:10 AM
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but if he’s still suffering from beer gut and baldness and “looks old,” he’s not pulling 20 yos or hoeing around. So really this depends on what his finished “improved” result is. I'm literally jacked, in the sense that I have a visible six pack and a physique most self-identified incels and red-pill content creators claim makes dating trivially easy, yet still never got a date until I left the US on university study abroad. Sometimes the reason you don't succeed while younger has nothing to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:07 AM
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It's neither virtuous nor wicked. For most men, they have no other choice. The alternative is to be permanently single. They chose to lower their standards because they wanted either a relationship or sex, and they get both the good and the negative consequences of that. It's ugly to you because you're a woman, and therefore you have the luxury of choice that many men never know their entire lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:24 AM
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So, a potentially exploitative relationship taking advantage of someone's disability to get what you want? Not exactly my idea of a "loving and unconditional" relationship, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:15 AM
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Read: he needs more life experiences which validate your opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:12 AM
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Okay. But what if you're one of those unfortunate individuals whose choice of partners who find him acceptable is zero? What then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:11 AM
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I agree. Case in point: incels are part of the childless demographic. Just an FYI
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:08 AM
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Well yeah, because reddit leans overwhelming liberal and clings to a religious interpretation of liberal individualism, and therefore is understandably offended by a singles tax or a policy of legal favoritism towards parents over the childless, because it runs in the face of the often stated idea that "you're a whole and complete person without a relationship or children." Under Emperor Augustus the empire enacted laws that heavily favored citizens who had children over those who did not. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:05 AM
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You can't perpetrate your civilization with the opinions of people who aren't willing to invest in it with their own children. This is literally a lesson we should learn from the Romans.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 12:16 AM
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Men who want casual sex need to lower their standards to get it simply because men want casual sex more than women. Therefore, women set the standards for who gets casual, while men adopt a "take what I can get" attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:23 PM
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Not quite. The average woman gets casual a lot easier than the average dude, and that's with less women being into casual than those that want commitment. So if you're a dude who's into casual, your standards are in rock bottom. Plenty of guys who want LTRs and commitment from the get go just get ignored or are invisible because, in the words of women here, they're just "meh" or boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:36 PM
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What's your location? You don't have to answer if you're not comfortable, but that probably has something to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:34 PM
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Redpill attracts men with low self esteem hence why they look for self improvement advice. They WANT to be told they're not enough, because it validates their lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:38 PM
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I know many religious people who'd still go with the Virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:31 PM
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They enforce their standards a lot more rigorously for LTRs
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:29 PM
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This isn't entirely true. Tabula rasa was disproven a long time ago. There's a lot about your behavior that has a genetic basis even if it doesn't mean hard determinism is necessarily true. Therefore, some people are more inclined to anti social behavior than others. While it is true that social skills can be learned, it's erroneous and misleading to imply a child acquiring basic social skills by the time he's 6 has nearly as difficult of a time as a fully grown adult with a fully formed brain. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:10 PM
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That would be reasonable for your wife to leave you? From the RP perspective? Yes absolutely. If men are conditionally valued for what they can provide, a woman is within her rights to leave a man when he no longer provides. That's why RP preaches for men to up their money AND looks/fitness game before pursuing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:01 PM
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Okay, well...I'm using the word according to its strictest original definition. It's anybody who can't get laid or a relationship despite wanting to be. To that end, when I say there are many reasons people become incels, many of which don't involve blaming women, it's a factual statement. Some people are actual incels and literally can't do anything about it anymore because they lack the social skills while being below average in looks and chose to do absolutely nothing about it until they appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:39 PM
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I would think that before men get to the point of calling themselves incels, they've experienced romantic or at least social failure, often due to the way they behave. This is the age of the internet and digital technology. Many don't even reach that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:23 PM
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Yeah. You're right. They're even deadlier and worse. Unlike medieval and pre modern wars, 50,000 men can die in a single instant from a thermobaric rocket or an airstrike, and the mental and psychological toll is infinitely worse than even the most grueling and frightening battles that ancient Romans and medieval knights have ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:21 PM
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Ok let's step back and define our terms. When I say "incel," what I mean is "involuntarily celibate," or quite literally anyone who is celibate but would prefer not to be. Therefore, to me, a late bloomer is an incel An anti social shut in is an incel A loser at life is an incel The guy who's single because he's genuinely afraid of talking to women is an incel The guy who's too ugly to attract women he wants to be with is an incel And yes, the guy who's single because he hates women is an incel …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:18 PM
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War is sexist. Women are literally disadvantaged in martial combat because of their biology. Never before in history has a country or a people sent significant numbers of women to die and actually survived.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:11 PM
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They fail in almost every case on the "take steps to properly market and sell" part of the formula. Wrong. Many of them are incels because they're not even doing that. Many of those guys literally do NOTHING to get a relationship or a sex partner besides swiping on an app. They don't socialize with or approach women. They don't put themselves in situations where they learn how. Then they sit at home and feel bad about it while continuing to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:08 PM
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Do you legitimately believe the only reason men who'd like to get laid or have relationships but can't for one reason or another is just because they hate women and view them as second class citizens?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:06 PM
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Exactly. Incels are always going to exist. There's literally no way for everyone to succeed. So rather than pretending everybody has a chance at love or relationships, it's better for people who realize it's not in the cards for them to come to terms with it and find a somewhat more happy life even if it means being permanently single. In that sense, "giving up" shouldn't be seen as a negative or "doomer" thing. For those people, it's simply acknowledging and coping with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:16 PM
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Your income used to matter a hell of a lot more when women used to rely on men for a living. Now that women work, most modern women around the world mostly want men who are good company and who would be good fathers for their children. It's in American bizarro land where your income is still a hard-line requirement. At first it's strange until you realize American culture treats itself and its own country like a get rich quick scheme. And yes, people here do tend to measure each other by how muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:03 PM
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Redpill defines losers as men who are weak, aren't fit, and poor or low status. In this sense, their advice to lift and earn money to stop being a loser is on point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:58 PM
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Before I lifted weights and got a six pack I was a virgin who never had a girlfriend. After I lifted weights and got a six pack I became a fit and good looking virgin who never had a girlfriend. "I'm single because I don't have a career!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:57 PM
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Aren't you proving his point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:44 PM
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So let's not pretend everyone has a chance or is going to succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:43 PM
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Most jobs especially in the US are unproductive and contribute zero to humanity even when they pay well. Every major tech giant has entire departments that exist solely to grift. There are people who get paid six figures who are worth even less on a human level than a welder. This idea that your job defines you as a person is something nobody believes unless you've internalized capitalism and literally measure people according to how much they make a line on a chart move up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:52 AM
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It's more like they fade, and not so much you "lose" them in the sense that change results in loss. I'm an ironclad platonist in the sense that I like to believe the way something appears in its physical form is a reflection of an ideal of the thing in the sense that the existence of the thing necessarily presupposes the idea of the thing. In this sense, if you believe souls exist, my soul would look like me at my physical and ideal peak. But of course I'm the same person at 5,15,25,35, and 75 d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:35 AM
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I'm in your boat but on the male side of the situation. The cope is that men gain in "sexual market value" as we age due to gaining better financial stability and social status with age, but the idea of having to pass a certain milestone with money to deserve someone's affection is so repulsive to me that I'd rather remain terminally single, even if I don't like it, than to be with someone who judges me based on what I have. I'd much rather be judged based on my looks than what I do for work bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:26 AM
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Fitness as you're younger is actually crucial for this reason because it makes staying in shape when you're older significantly easier. You're going to have a way better time keeping at a healthy bodyweight and retain a lot more of your vigor at 35 when you've been working out since 18 than if you did nothing and lived a mostly sedentary lifestyle. It's one of the reasons why I place a lot of importance on fitness because I know my looks will fade with age as well, even as a man. It's just less …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:21 AM
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I appreciate the kind words lol. I used to come across as more verbose because I spent a great deal of my life feeling depressed for which I coped by reading philosophy. After which when I began working, I did retail, which put me in situations where I was quite literally paid to be approachable, use communication skills, and render assistance when necessary. I just returned home from study abroad in Europe, which forced me to be more social as I was in a much more interpersonal setting than I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:17 AM
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What does "a combination" of these features actually look like though? Having one, a few, of these? Or mostly all of the above?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:41 PM
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Mine didn't. They've always focused on my academic achievements growing up, but they've since gone more "laissez faire" as I got older. Now as an adult, I feel like I'm at a disadvantage compared to people who "just get it," so I retreat back into my hobbies and spend my free time exercising, gaming, shooting, reenacting, and being a "fit nerd." I'm attracted to women and would like a relationship, but all the advice I ever get online is just some variation of the "learn to be happy while single…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:23 PM
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My parents legitimately thought people who lack social skills simply don't exist and people who live certain ways consciously wanted to be the way they are. They didn't do anything when I began self-segregating as a kid even in kindergarten, and I essentially just kept it up until adulthood. To be honest, socializing never felt natural to me, so I simply spent my time doing other things by myself to have fun. Middle school for me was essentially going home to play skyrim all day after doing home…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:00 PM
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You're pretending as if adults have nearly as easy a time learning basic social skills most kids already pick up when they're around 8-9. Once you're a fully grown adult you begin to get pretty set in your ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 10:41 PM
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Depends on whether or not you're high functioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 10:39 PM
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women unsurprisingly don’t seem to like the average men who have pasts with prostitutes. They make excuses for it though when it's rich, powerful, and elite men with status who do it. I'm talking about billionaires and politicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:51 PM
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Maybe to you, but I use that word broadly according to its strictest original definition: an involuntary celibate. IE, someone who would like to date, would like to have sex, but can't for one reason or another. Most of the time they lack the social skills to attract and approach the women they'd like to be with, or they're simply unattractive people all around, so they resign themselves to a permanent life of solitude devoid of emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:10 PM
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I reckon most incels don't actually whine and complain except to their immediate family or whatever limited friends they have. They just suffer in silence from their own solitude and loneliness and unfortunately just waste away until it really is too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:16 PM
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He can if he pays for it, which if you don't want commitment and all you want is sex, you might as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:51 PM
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I think once you've gotten to the point of asking this question you've already accepted "being with someone who likes you" is out of the cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:50 PM
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I know people at 18-20 who already have more life experiences than other people at 30. My own mother at 18 already had the same maturity as American men twice her age just because of her own upbringing and childhood. It's why she married older.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:29 PM
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I would have thought mutual pleasure is more important to most people than what the internet makes it to be, even the most spergtastic of basement shut ins simply based on how often its eroticized. "Ahegao" is literally a popular hentai precisely because a woman feeling pleasure is something people find attractive. Personally, as a straight man, I can't imagine not being physically attracted to your partner enough to not want to...do things to her body that make her feel good, even if its not st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:49 PM
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Go through my comments history with that dude. He's possibly one of the most bad faith interlocutors on this entire forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:30 PM
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My parents are 8 years apart. So were my grandparents. My sister's boyfriend is 7 years older than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:20 PM
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No, but it is one of their talking points. Like if you're a dude who's awkward, have little social skills, have extreme anxiety around women and never asked anybody out, or are just someone who doesn't have a social circle worth mentioning, and you did nothing about it and now you're a 40 year old virgin, the reasoning is because of what you said, you may as well give up. It's over. Your available dating pool at 40 will be so fundamentally different from you, have different experiences from you,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:13 PM
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The point here is that both men's and women's dating options do decrease in value the older you get. It's the "leftovers" so to speak; people who are unattractive, unable to navigate commitment even if they want it, divorcees, people with children, people who maybe cannot have kids anymore, etc. Doesn't this mean that the blackpilled crowd kind of has a point when they argue if you're a man who has never had a girlfriend, and actually made it to 35+ with no romantic experience to speak of, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:50 PM
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Or do you really think that couples form via people ticking boxes on their dating shopping lists? I've noticed that regardless of gender, there are two main demographics that actually fit this description: the terminally online, and the ultra rich. There's gold diggers too but that's kind of a given
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:46 PM
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So many people are oblivious to the reality that the human species is not a rational species. We are monkey brained mammals like every other hominid creature only with a higher capacity for sapient thought in combination with thumbs. It's not that we're incapable of reason, but we have an inescapable tendency to apply reason ad hoc. We are a "rationalizing" species and not a rational species. In other words, we use reason to justify what we were already going to do anyways, and this is true rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:18 PM
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classicist I think someone who studied classical history, is that what you mean or is it something else? Yes. That's exactly what I mean. I consider myself a classisist because I immerse myself in the study of ancient Greek and Roman history, culture, and Latin language. Ego studeo linguam latinam et historiam Romae et Graecae. And the "Roman Empire" was an imperial state that lasted from 27BC - 476AD or 1453AD depending on whether you count the Eastern Roman Empire as a legitimate continuation …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:22 AM
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I'm literally a classicist and see both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy as the cultural continuations and successors of the Roman Empire, and from there, my cultural and philosophical connection to Ancient Rome lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:59 AM
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In Mainland China most people don't own houses and cars. It's an East Asian culture where people are expected to live at home specifically until they get married and have kids, and even then extended family households are common. This is on top of the fact most of the population of Mainland China lives in densely populated megapoleis where owning a house for the majority of the population is impractical.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:59 AM
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No matter your financial situation...? Past a certain age women don't want to be with slobs or losers living at home either not working, or earning low pay.
/r/seduction22/07/24 04:52 AM
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Yes. It's not that I think they're terrible people, but if you self-identify as a feminist, whether you're a man or a woman, it means we're going to have fundamentally irreconcilable and opposing first values and incompatible life philosophies. I don't believe in equality, like at all. Not even for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:47 AM
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I don't think Conservative anti-feminist women would say they're advocating *against* their own interests. That's a very condescending way of implying you get to tell other people what is and isn't in their interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:45 AM
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And plenty more don't even have ONE option to date at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:39 AM
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Uh huh. And I'm in Yerevan, and the average Armenian wants to nuke Istanbul or Baku because of the genocide happening in Artsakh RIGHT NOW Yeah demographic replacement is a myth. The birth rate doesn't matter. Having kids isn't necessary or important. Let's just continue treating kids like a luxury while the population of Islamic invaders continue to multiply! Why is it that I notice the only people who say the dumb shit you do is people who never actually have to live around hostile foreign pow…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:11 AM
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Uh huh. Meanwhile it's not safe to roam around the streets in London, Paris, and Stockholm anymore due to stabbing attacks and Islamic rape gangs, and every day Tajiks, Chechens, and Uzbeks commit terrorist attacks and plant bombs all over Russia. Again, denying reality is a privilege of the sheltered. Also very convenient you're running away from the point that choosing to forgo having children or denying the importance of family and raising kids has tangible and observable demographic conseque…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:03 AM
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It is only from a seriously privileged and sheltered position, particularly from never having been conquered or enslaved by foreign powers or cultures, can you write asinine and ridiculous statements like this denying the relevance of changing demographics altogether. I live in a country where not having children will literally result in this country not existing anymore. If Armenia has a population of less than three million people, while being surrounded on both sides by openly hostile culture…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:13 AM
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The US military industrial complex exists to extract and to grift as much money from congress as possible while minimizing their own operating costs. America's trillion dollar military industry is good at making overpriced and underproduced equipment for the military, but not actually at producing anything in meaningful quantities. There's only one plant in the entirety of the US that is equipped to produce 155mm shells. Only one factory that can weld M1 tank hulls, and the production of new Pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:44 AM
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And for the zealots, countries they would fight against have no shortage of weapons and ammunation. You might wanna take a look at this to have an idea of how these conflicts would go. You mean the same countries emptying their stockpiles into Ukraine, only for them to be destroyed, with no replacements until 2030?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:17 AM
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Islam has official state support and endorsement from multiple middle eastern countries, many with stupidly lots of money, as well as no shortage of zealots willing to fight *and die* for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:17 AM
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No, but Islamic fanatics are, and they're producing more children than feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:16 AM
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You don't like to feel "settled for," but then when guys go for women they actually prefer, they're "shooting out of their league?" You literally can't win.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:55 AM
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Atheism relies on metaphysical assumptions to even exist. The claim that all things which exist are comprised of physical matter is a metaphysical statement. You don't get to dismiss metaphysics while at the same time using metaphysics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:58 PM
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If God is defined as the creator and origin of the universe, and the universe exists, then the universe itself is evidence of his existence. You're probably asking, "but can you actually prove that there exists intangible origins to what exists in the universe?" That is, what you really want to know is whether anything exists besides physical matter. The greatest testament of that is the actual limitations of materialism and physicalism themselves. Materialism posits that all things which exist …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:57 PM
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You are depending on other people to make you feel whole, even by your explanation above. Except instead of romantic partners, they're friends and family. This is also self refuting because stating that friends and family develop you into a complete person because you grow up with them and develop you as a person completely ignores that the same is true for romantic partners throughout the duration of a relationship. You also grow and develop as a person throughout the course of a marriage too. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:45 PM
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I'd actually give Alexandra a chance depending on how sincere her "born again" phase is and whether or not she'd specifically raise daughters away from that behavior. Amelie is the next best option, but admittedly I'd probably just be friends with her or keep it purely casual at first to see if I can't inspire her to clean up and take care of herself. I already work out a shit ton and know how to have fun while doing it. Maybe she can invite me over and we can clean her place together? Idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:39 PM
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It's not a word salad simply because you're not smart enough to understand it. All of those disciplines rely on epistemological foundations which are established by metaphysical investigation which is firmly in religious and philosophical tradition. You literally can't have science without philosophy. Basing your beliefs on "science" while at the same time discrediting the very thing which enables it is both insane, and shows you to be an unserious and ironically uncritical person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:29 PM
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You said earlier friends and family contribute to completion, but partners contribute to enhancement. This implies that your friends and family are more essential to life than your partners. But this is all individualistic mumbo jumbo anyways considering literally all of the above are essential to life because you clinically go insane without. You're also contradicting yourself because if you conceded that relationships in general are necessary, then by definition you are not "complete in yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:25 PM
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Lol you say this shit but meanwhile atheism in its modern form is founded upon the most convoluted understanding of metaphysics possible. Worse yet it denies the need for metaphysics altogether while simultaneously making metaphysical assumptions, such as human sensory experience being a legitimate basis for truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:18 PM
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tips fedora
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:15 PM
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It's absolutely insane that people think these things because I can't imagine caring for someone and growing old with a person you regard as less necessary than FRIENDS. If family is important, what the fuck is the mother or father of your children? Less essential family? Are there tiers to family now? This is absolutely rich because women get angry and livid when men say their mothers are more important to them than their partners and wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:14 PM
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Women already find him pathetic and undateable without the robot, so what's the problem exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 10:09 AM
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Nobody is complete on their own on an individual level. Your entire identity literally exists with other people in context. Humans are a social species which involve other people in literally everything we do. You literally don't even have rights or human dignity unless you start defining what that actually means in the context of lived society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:21 AM
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Not to mention that this idea that we should completely do away with our innate need and desire for sex and romantic partnership, regarding it purely as a want and a luxury, rather than something you intrinsically need as a mammal, leads to demographic collapse. It's just a completely insane thing to actually believe considering your entire existence and means of survival is owed to the ability to find a suitable partner and to continue your genetic lineage. It's something that's not just innate…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:15 AM
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Most homeless people who are married were married prior then became homeless during the course of their marriage. I know of next to zero homeless men who are pulling anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:05 AM
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It's not just Africa and Bangladesh. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, the entire Arab world, Serbia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria have age gap relationships as a commonly occurring thing, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:55 PM
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Age gap relationships are more accepted in Europe in many countries. Europe is still "the general West." They're incredibly common in Serbia, Bosnia, Czechia, and the Baltic States.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:23 PM
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This is a global forum. Not everybody who visits or browses reddit lives in the US. Why not have a more global perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:47 PM
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I'm 27 years old and still in university at an age where most women around my age are already working and earning serious money, and looking for a man who at least earns the same and can provide so they can settle down and not have to work if they choose not to. Option 1 and 3 are looking like the most realistic options for me at this point, because I'm not going to have the ability to provide until I'm in my mid to late thirties, and additionally the costs of living have risen so much in the US…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 04:07 PM
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Honestly I don't think it was a coincidence that I got a first date when I was in Yerevan vs back home in the US. It's as easy as meeting people walking in a straight line to whichever cafe or shop because unlike back in the US, there's actually walkable infrastructure that encourages significant foot traffic, people are actually out and about (OUTSIDE OF THEIR FUCKING CARS) interacting with the world around them, and it's actually possible to spontaneously go places so places like parks, shops,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:24 AM
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Autistic people are perfectly capable of getting relationships. There's entire threads full of women calling even high functioning autists undateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:01 AM
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Assuming that's even true, it's because the US and NATO aren't investing that much, as I partly suggested. It doesn't matter how much you invest if the infrastructure to match Russian production doesn't even exist. After the cold war America sold its industry and invested into a service economy due to neo liberal reforms. All you're good at doing is printing and spending money, but you can spend 200% more budget for all I care. If it's not physically possible for you to increase your productivit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:48 AM
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Russia produces more artillery shells by itself compared to the entirety of NATO combined including the US. When you add north Korean, and Chinese production, it's a losing equation for the west. I don't care how much of your GDP you're spending if your productive output is still lower. America holding back on aid is also cope. There aren't even enough patriot missiles that exist around the world to keep up with Ukraine. If you fall for the OP and actually believe industry and large armies are o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:36 AM
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I'm not talking about OP specifically. I'm attacking the principle of your recommendations for him. Holding out for a relationship and having hope that someone out there exists for you is clearly not for everybody, and so your earlier statement about waiting for AI gfs being a "cop out" is not true. For some people, it's the only viable option they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 07:29 PM
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I'm speaking generally. OP didn't say he's autistic, but you're giving him advice you don't even fully believe in. I used autism as an example to highlight that point. You don't actually believe everybody should hold out for hope for a real relationship, because you actually believe there exists a group of people for whom it's hopeless no matter how much they try. Unless you're absolutely sadistic and think it's humane to tell people to hold out for impossible hopes and aspirations, which is an …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:21 PM
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And my opinion is that yours is based on a lot of strong generalizations and unfounded assumptions based on a lack of evidence and speculation, which is clear that you always assume the worst iterations of the subject rather than allowing room for the massive gap in middle ground in between. Again, humans are perfectly capable of entertaining fantasies while distinguishing them from real life, and we already do very often outside of the realm of personal relationships and sex. Many people make e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:19 PM
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Sex dolls and AI companions aren't meant to replace platonic friendships and so bringing that up is a red herring. You can embrace non-romantic connections while also having an imaginary girlfriend at home. while hoping for and pursuing romance as you can Asking for someone who's objectively unattractive to women and has no chance at romantic love to hold out for it and to keep looking for it is a form of cruelty. You yourself just admitted you don't find that guy fuckable. I'm saying chances ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 02:49 PM
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They're meant for people who have no options. If your alternative is socially imposed celibacy because no woman finds you fuckable, or even loveable, then it's your only option unless you want to become a monk. Chances are, you'd already find the guy who'd buy this pathetic even without the sex doll (think someone who's autistic, 5'4, $40K salary, and either fat or lanklet skinny)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:09 PM
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You'd already have the ick from these men even without the robot girlfriends. I could see people with socially crippling autism, men under 5'4, and men with micro peni buying these. How sad do you have to be to seriously consider a relationship with a robot? They're meant for people who don't have relationship options, like at all. They fill a demand for a market among men women already wouldn't want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:03 PM
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The illusion of having love, to some, is preferable to the reality of not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:58 PM
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Aren't you literally one of the same women on here who say it's near hopeless if a dudes social issue come from autism? Clearly then you don't actually believe not giving up is applicable for everybody
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:57 PM
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Personally I can’t see how anyone would be ok with doing nothing, I just don’t get that I think it’s a weak mindset tbh. There's threads all over this sub with comments from women encouraging men with severely lacking social skills, autism, and lack of romantic experience past a certain age to essentially give up because they're undateable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:54 PM
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How sad do you have to be to seriously consider a relationship with a robot? That's the thing. Your negative opinion to a man who would buy this wouldn't even matter because you wouldn't exist in his life for him to hear it to begin with. This is a product for someone who's so undesired by women even without the artificial girlfriend that his options are either a substitute or nothing, and such people rarely have women in their lives apart from direct family members, or co-workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:50 PM
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The illusion of love is preferable if the alternative is facing a permanent reality of having none at all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:43 PM
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Many women on here rule out dating for men with autism and severely lacking social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:42 PM
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there is also no need for big standing armies like in WW1 and WW2 (because of nukes). This is not true. When Russia invaded Ukraine, it proved that countries with a numerically superior and larger army are still more conventionally advantageous than those without. It also proved that most modern nations are not in any state to fight peer conventional wars, as evidenced by the fact that most allied NATO states are literally running out of their own stockpiles to donate to Ukraine. Denmark barely …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 02:35 PM
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Because being unhappy is a sufficient reason to get divorced. It's not. Marriage becomes a duty once signed and entered into. Your spouse isn't responsible for your happiness. You are. Suck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:08 AM
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You spend way more time on reddit than I have since forever. Furthermore, I'm comfortable enough in my skin that I don't have to interpret comments as negative when people simply state what I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:28 PM
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It's a trans woman lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:39 AM
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Again, this says more about how you view the world around you, and human history, than it does about human nature itself. The view that all human relationships are transactional is based on a very reductionist and simplified view of human behavior which doesn't predate the 18th century. Additionally, it presupposes a definition of "value" that is so vague and ambiguous it becomes a tautology and intellectually meaningless. Otherwise you are suggesting people are in relationships for altruistic r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:17 AM
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May is probably the one I'm the most compatible with. I'd settle with Mary though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:31 AM
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Choosing a wife beater in any capacity in natural selection in the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:07 AM
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The very fact that you think that says more about you than relationships. You are literally a homo-economicus with a worldview that's shaped by and a direct product of internalized capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:59 AM
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Right? Imagine a dude saying a girl without either tits/ass is a "dealbreaker," and immediately watch the flood of comments calling him "shallow."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:35 AM
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У вас очень интересное значение капитализма! Я считаю это так, потому что я объяняю что такое "капитализм" как ты пишешь твоё сообщение, но на биографии ты пишешь что, ты поддерживаешь капитализм? Для меня, капитализм, это экономический комплекс, который посвящен производсву капитала. Под капитализмом, сотрудники проводят вес день заработывать деньги за деньги. Под капитализм, мы живём для капиала, а семья это вторая...или третья после индивидуаля?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:01 PM
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Fair enough I guess? I suppose by your own self-description then, you're "right-wing" in an American context, but not "conservative." On a side note though, neither warfare nor law and order are inherently "right-wing" traits. The USSR also leaned heavily into both of those things, despite being a literal Communist dictatorship, but this isn't a political debate sub so I'll leave it there. Constitution and Trump are definitely right wing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:46 PM
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You...don't care if a man has a history of domestic abuse and hits his past partners? Uhm...interesting? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:39 PM
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Cool. So am I, which makes your opinion all the more puzzling to me. This guy couldn't even lock down a marriage with the literal mother of his son. Being a divorcee alone, or an actual playboy, would've lost this guy the respect of any of the women in my family. The only circumstance where he'd be "redeemable" is if his wife cheated on him or betrayed his family (which wasn't specified by the OP so we'd have to speculate).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:35 PM
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Okay fine. For the sake of argumentation then, assuming all three things you've mentioned are bad things, how are they any worse than A) A literal wife beater with anger management issues B) A divorced playboy with a kid from another woman, and political views that are potentially alienating towards you C) An obese baby-faced nu-male with a barely functioning dick and actively disregards his health?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:32 PM
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Waiting until you're thirty years old to meet someone to form a family robs you of the ability to form an emotional connection with that person and to grow with them as an adult in your twenties when you're both still building yourselves. The traditional advice to wait until you've fully built yourself academically and financially made sense in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when men could support a family of 4 on one income straight out of high school, but puts people behind the curve i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:26 PM
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Autism exists on a spectrum, and given that OP clarified that he's high functioning it doesn't impede his ability to socialize and to engage in society. It can certainly still be a deal breaker, but I'd argue it's a case-by-case example. Autism isn't a black and white diagnosis. Introverted isn't necessarily a deal breaker for a lot of women unless you simply subjectively are looking for someone who's extroverted and a social butterfly, which is valid as a personal preference, but doesn't make i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:22 PM
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This is a debate forum. The entire purpose of this setting is an exchange of ideas and opinions. The fact that you can't seem to handle that without taking dissenting opinions personally tells me you lack emotional maturity and shouldn't be on here. Additionally, you have a very unhealthy view of other people in general. it reads like you’re hurt that someone you don’t even know would pass you up. Now this is just projecting. Both of your comments you've written to me recently read as if you int…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:01 PM
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Changing yourself for the sake of attracting another partner is anything but self-improvement. It's literally being a pushover who moulds yourself according to the preferences and tastes of other people. As long as you're capable of taking care of yourself and functioning as a responsible adult, are clean, kept, and healthy, you shouldn't have to ever "improve yourself" for the sake of a partner. The right person will accept you as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:46 PM
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You can choose to date, or not to date, anyone for literally any reason you wish, no matter how deep or shallow those reasons might be. You're free to your own standards whatever they are, even if it's eliminating someone because his name starts with a specific letter for all I care. I'm not attempting to convince you to consider anybody, but simply to try to understand what other people are looking for. For what it's worth though, I have the same reaction as you when I hear the words "bring to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:40 PM
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Cool. Well, this isn't a canadian specific forum, and just as it's unreasonable for men to generalize their experiences onto all women, it's unreasonable for you to generalize yours onto...the global population of men. You should have a global perspective and recognize that 10 year old boys being 5'2 in Canada makes them above the global average, and not representative of the overall height of the general population of men. Therefore, your statement about 5'2 men being "preadolescent" as...both …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:28 PM
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I think you're reading way too much into it, and the fact that you're interpreting words with the understanding of "a guy's understanding" vs "a woman's understanding" shows me you're not approaching this objectively. You should be answering this prompt by interpreting these descriptions in what you interpret to be the objective sense of those words, so "a bit messy" = a bit messy, and not "a guy's definition of a bit messy." Take subjective perception out of it. Also, there's only 24 hours in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:16 PM
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5'2 is literally the average height of adult women in Asia. The average height of a man worldwide is 5'7. He skews below average, but not "preadolescant. Are you from a nordic country or something where men skew larger than average?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:11 PM
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and the size of a 10 year old child. ???
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:53 PM
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He's literally politically centrist, so statistically likely to have compatible political views with...the largest number of people? The leftist and both right-wing candidates are way more likely to alienate partners due to their political views. He's high functioning neurodivergent so your mileage will vary once you actually meet the guy rather than just brushing him off from the get go. Autism is on a spectrum; not a black and white condition. And like I wrote to the other person, it seems we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:51 PM
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Questionable career aspiration is the one thing I saw, but it's not reasonable to infer "too much gaming" when that's clearly not the only thing he does, and as far as "slob" goes, it seems we're reading it on opposite ends of the extreme. I take "a bit of a slob" to mean he has a few slobbish tendencies but isn't a full slob, whereas you seem to be reading it to mean he's absolutely nasty?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:49 PM
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What the fuck is wrong with paul that apparently puts him at the same level of "red flag" as a guy who beat his exes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:36 PM
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Once you've traveled outside of the US, it becomes much more abundantly clear how much more atomized and isolating life in America is in relative comparison to the rest of the world because American society and city planning represents the absolute worst parts of individualism and capitalism taken to their extremes. American cities and towns are intentionally designed to encourage car ownership and therefore built in ways where it's either unfeasible or impossible for you to walk places, and as …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 05:33 PM
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Still shows an issue, but not necessarily with you. But the issue is living a traditional life in a decidedly liberal society that's growing more hostile to tradition every day. Honestly the best way I found to cope with American liberalism was to leave America to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:29 PM
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Purely for the sake of arguing, I'm just going to take the contrarian position that provided that it's legal, and both parties are acting voluntarily, what two consenting adults do in private is nobody else's business and the fact that a sex act was paid for does not take away from that. Many on here talk about how it entertains a transactional view of sex, yet I see no way that traditional sex work is any less transactional than other more "commonly accepted" forms of transactional intimacy suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:59 PM
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That's a very generalizing assumption based on the unfounded belief that the observed social realities of either yourself or the people directly around you reflect those of the broader population
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:50 PM
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You're both just talking over each other as if your opinions override each others' while being completely oblivious to the reality that things such as these vary greatly according to demographics, location, and most importantly, price range.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:41 PM
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"You should express emotion and be vulnerable but only if it's positive and I like it."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:40 PM
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Women are not a monolith and some prioritize stability more than others. That being said, yes it's usually preferable for a couple to grow together rather than having everything ready from the get go because then you're building a life together with a history of emotional connection and investment rather than viewing something as conditional and transactional from the get go. I think the issue is a lot of young American men don't know how to socialize with women their age and so they miss the op…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 04:02 AM
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I'd like romantic connection and companionship, and it's easy to feel sad that nobody has expressed attraction to me until now, in fact I used to, but eventually I learned that asking someone who isn't attracted to me in the first place to love me is a waste of both parties time, because such a person would be incapable of giving me what I want anyways. At best, I would get a transactional relationship where both sides have contractually agreed benefits and costs clearly delineated, but that's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:16 PM
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How will you get people to believe in something they don't currently believe in? NTA but religious wars and forced conversions have a long history of doing exactly that. Usually at the tip of a sword though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:14 AM
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I figure women would read this and feel that way, but to be honest I don't see it as the same thing. Plainly stated, I'm blatantly rationalizing not participating in the dating market at all, and accepting that my decisions will likely lead to life time celibacy because of a refusal to make myself attractive or available to the opposite gender and continuing to isolate myself to my own peers, my family, and my current direction. I never felt very connected to my community back home in America, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:07 AM
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Healthcare is a necessity. According to most women on here, dating, sex, and romantic companionship is optional, and an accessory to an already complete life. The comparison between sex and healthcare can't be accurate for the former to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:51 PM
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This is shit that just encourages people to go PPB and move to a different country where people are...healthier
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:23 PM
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I'll never be able to stop being attracted to women, but I've stopped feeling sad about not having a girlfriend because I've since recognized I can't influence whether other people are attracted to me or not, and neither do I owe them any moral obligation beyond the bare minimum level of respect to coexist in society. Like most healthy young men in their twenties, I still have a strong sex drive and a desire to be with the opposite gender, but I can acknowledge my feelings without letting them r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:11 PM
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This sounds like a uniquely American issue because most people abroad don't suddenly treat their children like strangers financially when they turn 18. America has a culture of individualism which puts self interest at the center and foundation of all personal decision making, such that duty bound virtue and personal sacrifice are irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:08 AM
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According to a 2006 study 70% of boys growing up with single moms are abused by their mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:08 AM
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No, as in literally arrange a real marriage. I haven't taken them up on the offer because I'm pretty set on moving to the post Soviet world instead of back to Vietnam. But in any case, Vietnam is a highly conservative society that shames divorce, so not an example of a liberal society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:27 PM
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I AM vietnamese! My aunts and uncles keep offering to do an arranged marriage for me because I'm still single at 27.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:14 PM
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The most rapidly industrializing and progressing country in the world, arguably already overtaking the western world in cultural influence and eventually military power in 2028 is Mainland China, despite having next to no feminist influence in the country. There is a high rate of female participation in the workforce, but it's driven by Communism and not female liberation ideology. The birth rate is low, but again not because of feminism or women's education, but China's own self imposed one chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 11:07 PM
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Pre civilization, the default state of human mating looked like men whacking women with clubs and abducting them to rape them. I don't think the "natural" argument is what you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:58 PM
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That's not how you measure social conservatism. Armenia is still highly conservative and has a culture that's intertwined with the Armenian Apostolic Church. Interracial marriages pretty much aren't a thing here, and shamed when they happen. Vietnam follows even stricter conservative social conventions, to the point of virginity being a requirement for marriage to most people. In fact, arranged marriage is still a common practice. Female participation in the workforce isn't a product of liberali…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 10:42 PM
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This is a case where I would rather somebody with a higher N count
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:18 PM
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Sure. We agree then that cheaters are more attractive than people with zero options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:49 PM
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This is somewhat true actually. Armenian women aren't impoverished, are educated, and the country skews highly conservative. A few weeks ago I took an Armenian girl on a date and we immediately hit it off from the beginning, however unfortunately she broke things off because her parents and grandparents didn't agree with her dating a non-Armenian. To them, they see it as worsening the effects of the Armenian genocide because a half Armenian child isn't fully Armenian to them, and they would rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:32 PM
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Armenia's divorce rate is 25% Vietnam's is just 7%
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:25 PM
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If you work out, BMI is a worthless metric to use. I'm 5'7 and weigh 170 lbs, so by BMI I'm "overweight." However, that additional weight is all muscle mass because I'm also around 15-18% body fat with visible abs, so BMI doesn't tell the whole story. American women in particular also seem uniquely disadvantaged with weight, because the actual food in America is worse for you than what you can get overseas. I've been living abroad for a while now, and one thing I've noticed is that overweight an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:37 AM
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Even if he lives at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:06 AM
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I highly disagree, as you mistakenly identify philosophy as a purely theoretical discipline despite the reality that many philosophical disciplines and rigors offer practical prescriptive and actionable exercises intended to better the user to achieve a desired effect. Additionally, you argue that philosophical systems, including ancient philosophy, are inadequate for providing actionable solutions to specific problems, which is either misleading or outright false. While philosophy may not offer…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:49 AM
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You are equating "feminine" with "what women were FORCED to do out of NECESSITY in the past." Not the same thing. I mentioned no such thing. You certainly did though, which is telling. Nothing masculine about living your life on your own terms. Dogged individualism is a highly masculine trait. It is emblematic of an idealized masculine figure who is emotionally reserved, resilient, and independent who lives primarily according to himself, answering to nobody, and only shares his emotional invest…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 11:51 PM
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Women providing for themselves while withholding emotional commitment and exclusivity to remain single, pursuing an independent and unbound lifestyle, is itself highly masculine already.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 11:38 PM
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Rather than polygyny, you could make the case for voluntary single-motherhood could be the way of the future, particularly as women begin earning more and enough to provide for themselves and a child self-sufficiently, and often times have a network of friends and acquaintances who can help managing responsibility for the child as she works. Failing that, women who are high earners tend to earn enough to hire nannies and caretakers. Honestly, there could even be a strong case for *marriage* itse…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 10:35 PM
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"B-but lady! I can't grow my height!" 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:40 PM
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I mean it's not to say that women would like either option. Ideally it would be neither, but a man who has no women interested in him is by definition unattractive, whereas a cheater has to be attractive in order for him to cheat in the first place. Therefore, pretty much by definition, a cheater is more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 06:48 PM
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Married red pill advocates for spinning plates even while being married, sometimes even in front of your wife to "assert your dominance." Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:19 PM
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Even Islam requires men in polygamous marriages to treat all their wives with equal respect, loyalty, and dedication, and therefore actually discourages it for the overwhelming majority of ordinary men who don't actually have that capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:17 PM
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What does "Mr Right" look like to her, and by that I mean both physically and emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:59 PM
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I'm pretty sure I've heard many a groom refer to his bride as the most perfect woman in the world. Sounds pretty ideal Statements of passion should not be interpreted literally. She wasn't "the most perfect woman in the world" before he actually met and got to know her, and only becomes so when emotion compels him to say so. You can't marry an ideal partner unless you literally marry a goddess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:35 PM
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I'm from Southeast Asia actually. Living standards aren't up to par with western standards, but people are living okay. Mainly people who show up to those parts of the world are looking for a feminine and traditional wife, and don't feel at home with those values back in the west. Honestly, I only see it as cringeworthy if they bring those women back to the US, because if American values are really so hostile to you that you can't find a wife back home, then they should stay where they go abroad…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 10:10 AM
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