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DebateGH0STRIDER579/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 09:17 PM
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I am talking about specific Romans which I named, and you're trying to shift the conversation to, checks notes, the Catholic Church, Kim Jong Un, and Donald Trump. Yeah, you're a deranged harpy and I pray for whichever unfortunate soul who has the misfortune of spending even a day with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:46 AM
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Red pill did not exist in the ancient world. Red pill as we know it is a toolbox, borrowing wisdom and fact where it's useful and discarding what isn't. All of those men contributed lessons to history which red pill acknowledges and learns from. This is not the same thing as endorsing everything they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:08 AM
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Marcus Aurelius was literally the father of stoicism in western history and philosophy. His Meditations is as relevant today as it was when it was first penned, and his ideas are even to this date incorporated into cognitive behavioral therapy. Gaius Julius Caesar is the very definition of Roman populism and whose rise to power existed during a time when the Senate and public offices were corrupt, oligarchic kleptocrats who robbed the people of their wealth and gorged themselves with slaves. He …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:02 AM
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No. I am claiming those men were real people who physically and tangibly existed, with direct archeological evidence, and were extensively documented in historical record, and that they represent moral virtues that red pilled men can take inspiration from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:47 AM
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What feats am I claiming? Be specific. I will however affirm that you are a mentally ill woman arguing with caricatures inside your head you project onto people on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:43 AM
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All these men were very much real, and their accomplishments can be studied in pretty much any major university classics course. I can promise you the classics were not mythological figures, which is something you should've already known unless you're not as "sharp" an engineer as you think you are. Also, I'm not even trying to date women so your flaccid attempt at a jab missed by a mile.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:32 AM
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Marcus Aurelius. Marcus Antonius. Gaius Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar Germanicus. Augustus Caesar. Trajanus. Hadrianus. Plenty of moral and powerful icons redpill can draw inspiration from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:36 PM
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Yee haw!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:35 PM
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The best part is I'm Asian lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:34 PM
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My reply was based only on your comment Then it's a terrible response and concrete evidence you can't engage with the essence of an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:27 PM
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what is your real motive? To annoy terminally online and autistic women clearly reading into my comments too much to waste their time. providing a service by warning young women I provide a service and a charity to women by not dating them. 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:24 PM
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Someone with a green pfp on reddit wrote something stupid. You have a green pfp. I shall now disregard your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:10 PM
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My aunt is 43 and had a baby, but it almost killed her. I think it's way safer to have kids in your twenties vs your forties
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:27 PM
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Fertility drops off pretty significantly after 30 for women doesn't it? Not impossible, but by that age she has to be exceptionally healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:23 PM
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In case you aren't literate, I'm not OP. Adding nuance to his views isn't the same as sharing all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:14 PM
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Youth and purity is a mandatory standard if you're either religious, or want at least three children without any fertility aids. It's pretty much impossible to have over three kids in a religious framework WITHOUT using any fertility aids or unnatural processes unless you marry young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:04 PM
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Holy mother of straw man arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:00 PM
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I would rather just stay single than to be the one approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:49 AM
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I'm going hiking next month with the boys and shooting machine guns with them. If this is what "loneliness with other men" looks like, I'd consistently choose it over... whatever the fuck spending even a single day with you would be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:29 AM
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You know what's hilarious is terminally online and media illiterate women like you doomscroll manosphere content and write walls of text seething about it while being essentially the female version of MGTOW while acting like you're any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:26 AM
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Being married to a harpy who's going to resent you for existing and for lamenting her sense of lost freedom inherent to marriage may as well be the same as being locked up with a demon. No thank you. I'd 100% prefer "male loneliness" to a hypothetical relationship with any woman who views marriage the same way as you. Please, by all means, avoid us.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:21 AM
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Damn. Seems like single men aren't missing out on anything worthwhile then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:16 AM
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If we take the premise of the OP to be true, that life overall is better for women when they're single than partnered, why would it not be the same for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:13 AM
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It's logically compatible to acknowledge loneliness as an issue while simultaneously holding loneliness to be preferable to company with a demon.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:11 AM
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Why would women get married if marriage either does not benefit women, or the benefits are outweighed by what women lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:09 AM
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Thank you for saying so. I just get irritated when people post reductionist and simplistic sentiments online, like how a lot of people on here think if a man has a six pack, then it should be easy, when that hasn't been my experience. Like I said, it's done nothing for me romantically or sexually. I look like a normal person with a shirt on. You can still see that I'm fit, but not enough to stand out since my musculature isn't overly big.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:09 PM
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They're not necessarily wanting to be settled for, but they're upset that literally nobody is attracted to them, and they're in the bargaining stages of grief before they realize they're ugly, and part of the same demographic of men that are left behind, reproductively speaking, in biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:38 PM
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Yes I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:36 PM
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Six pack man here. Hasn't done shit for me. These idiots don't know what they're talking about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:13 AM
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The only reason you should ever have to improve is because you want to, or because you need something to advance your own welfare. If my standards differ from those of the people around me by a significant margin, well...society can get fucked for all I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 03:54 AM
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Trying to be the best version of myself is pretty much what gets me motivated to literally do anything with my time By whose standards? Your own? Those around you? Or society's standard's? I'm not opposed to improving, and in fact I'm all for it. I'm verbalizing I will only do it according to my own standards as I personally see fit, and no one else's - not a hypothetical woman's standards, not my neighbor's standards, not your standards, or those of the general public. What else is there to eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 03:46 AM
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It's not really interesting at all. A job, or more broadly a career, is a means to an end and where you want to be in life, and I get what I'm looking for. Whereas there is no person on Earth who could possibly give me what I'd be looking for in a relationship, and therefore I don't look for it, and neither do I expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 11:26 PM
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The most succesful socities are those in which the individual is the focus, not the collective. History is evidently clear about this. Roman collectivism triumphed over Gallic and Germanic individualism, and Rome was so successful that even today, we still use their alphabet and parts of their legal system. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:20 PM
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I'm way too proud and stubborn to change even a single thing about myself to attract a romantic partner. I'd legitimately rather just check out and not compete at all than to jump through hurdles and "self improve" to fit anyone's standards beyond my own (or my employer's lel). But I get that this means I don't get to complain, so I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:19 PM
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It's subjective for sure, but there's a rough ballpark estimate. Fit men tend to pair with fit women for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:17 PM
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Women laughing at men is enough to shut some up in their houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 02:55 PM
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if some men were asexual 🤷‍♀️. If most men were asexual. Women only desire sexual attention from a small number of men, so the rest of the population being asexual would save her unwanted attention and harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 09:23 AM
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Nah, most women both online and in real life admit they don't find most men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:04 PM
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What a ridiculous question. If you don't have a sex drive, what's the difference between a relationship with a woman vs another man? At that point it's just another platonic friendship. OP is correctly identifying that without a sex drive, there is no incentive to pursue a ROMANTIC relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 01:48 AM
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The original post doesn't specifically address desire for sex. There's also plenty of men who would like to be in relationships, but for whatever reason can't get them and would also benefit from not having a sex drive or that desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 11:41 PM
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Exactly. So how does it hurt society when the men who aren't having kids don't have a sex drive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 10:03 PM
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I do think plenty of men would stand to gain focus and a more positive view of themselves if they didn't have a built in physiological desire to seek something they either can't have, or is wildly inconvenient and disruptive to their personal lives if they pursued. For many men, their libidos are not a source of self actualization or connection but anxiety, stress, depression, or negative self image, particularly for unattractive men, and not having it would help them focus on other pursuits or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:40 PM
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That's what the person replying to you doesn't understand. When you have a mission in life and something you're pursuing, your sex drive is a distraction, whether you're out socializing and looking for a partner or taking care of yourself at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:18 PM
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find it inconvenient that it happens to be attached to a person Nobody said this but you. You're arguing against yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:12 PM
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This is a red herring. Of course being social has its advantages, but that's beside the topic. Life is better when you have a social group, but nevertheless for certain groups of men, life would still be easier if they didn't have a sex drive, because to them, their libido and attraction to the opposite gender is a source of stress, anxiety, and cause of negative self image rather than self actualization. This is especially true for unattractive men who won't be able to pull no matter what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:06 PM
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Not necessarily I don't think. Society doesn't need every man to reproduce. In fact, it would probably be better off if the ones who couldn't pull sterilized themselves and stopped bothering women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:01 PM
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I think a lot of men's lives would be considerably easier for them if they didn't have a sex drive, regardless of whether they value women as equals or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 08:52 PM
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Ooof. Sounds like women aren't worth it then. Plenty of better things a man could be doing with the limited time he has on this earth than begging for the attention and approval of a gender which does not want or value him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:55 PM
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Why isn't his desire for even a functional relationship also misguided? Society will go on even if he is not the beneficiary of arranged marriage, or if his family makes him marry down. Sure. If marriage is a civil and familial duty, then it logically follows that it ought to be imposed on citizens who exhibit the qualities and virtues which makes him best qualified for that duty, similar to how a blacksmith or an armorer is chosen to equip the military according to his talents and work ethic. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:37 PM
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I believe all people have natural value as determined by God, and therefore believe all things are deserving of love according to their value, however I do not share the modern perspective that romantic love or marriage is necessarily love in a fulfilling or essential context. Plato distinguishes between sublime and unconditional love, such as what a warrior ought to feel for his state, or what exists between God and those in his kingdom, from the fleeting and transient love which exists in sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:45 PM
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Since you can't read my flair, I will be charitable and inform you I am a neo-Roman pagan in the body or aesthetics of an Orthodox Catholic. In other words, I tend to express my beliefs in Christian terms due to that being the common vernacular of the modern day, but my actual ethical beliefs are closer to Trajan, Aurelius, and Augustus. I don't actually believe in modern dating, or even believe that love and marriage need necessarily be connected. You ought to marry in accordance to the will of…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:13 PM
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I am a neo-classicist. In other words, I seek the revival of Greco-Roman values in the modern world, such as the view of the individual person as being defined by citizenship, or connection to civic community and identity, determined by language, ethnicity, religion, and culture. To the ancient Greeks and Romans, the modern liberal view which defines individuals separately and apart from the community makes little sense, as all of the things which determine who you are, including what you believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:08 PM
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Yeah I'm not reading all of that. And no, I'm openly racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:56 PM
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A truth statement regarding the existence of a thing is by definition and category a metaphysical claim. Additionally, saying that "god exists" is a scientific claim is an epistemological domain error and demonstrates you have quite literally zero understanding of the concepts which you are talking about. Your last statement is projection. Additionally, arguing that metaphysics is bullshit alone disqualifies anything you have to say because the entire discipline of argumentation and reason rests…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:55 PM
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On the contrary, I posed a distinctly Platonic argument for objective value in my earlier comment, even if verbalized through Christian lenses. Your larp is appreciated, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:45 PM
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The claim that "God does not exist" is a metaphysical claim. You attempt to defend that claim with a value nihilistic statement, claiming that value is created by humans. You then claim that what we value and consider attractive is shaped by evolution, which is a naturalistic claim. Value nihilism holds that objective value does not exist. Naturalism claims that all things which exist must have natural origin, and therefore be comprised of physical matter or property. Naturalism, therefore, dire…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:36 PM
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I'm not reading that wall of text. Either learn to articulate an argument concisely, or not at all. Frankly, I don't care who you decide to fuck or who you associate with. I'm more interested in the logical inconsistency of your prior claim. If activism and demanding social change is authoritarian, and therefore incels who demand greater social acceptance of anti-social and passive behavior are self-serving tyrants, then the same is true for anti-racist activists. You don't get to escape from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 01:30 PM
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This is metaphysically incoherent mumbo jumbo. The irony is you're probably too dumb to understand how
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 01:21 PM
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Nobody and nothing has any "inherent value" As a matter of fact, all things which exist do have innate value. If a thing indeed exists as a thing, which can be categorically identified as that thing, then it exhibits qualities and attributes which classify it as that thing, and therefore the value of that thing follows downstream, much in the way that the existence of a horse logically presupposes the idea of a horse. Your comment only makes sense if you are an atheist and you assume that fundam…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:42 AM
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You are ultimately demanding that society change its standards, when those standards are the inevitable result of millions of people exercising free choice. That's coersion. This is among the dumbest arguments I've ever read on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:24 AM
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Well...I mean there is a way to get rid of all of those things. It just involves starting a nuclear war.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:52 AM
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Interesting how you conceded no money is a valid excuse for someone to be "forever alone."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:49 AM
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Pretty much yes. Western liberalism, and especially democratic institutions, cannot survive declining birth rates because it creates aging societies which enact policies that will overly favor its elderly over its youth. This also leads to additional tax burdens onto future workers to support elderly retirement programs, and rely on immigration to sustain real economic growth, which itself has the side effect of immigrants replacing native populations and shifting state policy. It's hilarious to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:32 AM
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Lol you literally just proved him correct and were too stupid to realize it. Yes, women in America are having less kids, ergo America is a dying culture and will have less cultural and political influence in the far future. Demographics is destiny, and the values of the people who either have less kids or no kids will be replaced by the values of people who have more kids. That's how history has always worked, and always will. Have a well developed cerebrum so that we aren't ruled by biology Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:03 AM
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If it's valuable, it must provide something tangible. Does not logically follow. A thing does not need to provide tangible utility to have value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:58 AM
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Yeah that's the thing right? Other people may not approve of what you do, but their opinions don't actually matter. It's not like they're people actively involved in your day to day life anyways, or that you interact with them anywhere off the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:07 PM
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You don't consider your wife family? Being emotionally fulfilled isn’t dependent on others. Then why mention family or friends if your emotional fulfillment doesn't need other people to be involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 11:13 PM
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I do believe that most men will have a real romantic experience at SOME point in their life, which is statistically accurate, and when that time comes, AIGF might have influenced the user negatively. Then you're discussing something off topic, because the target audience of AI companions is men for whom "RealGF" will never come.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:55 PM
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How about answering that question yourself instead of waiting for someone else or "society" to answer it for you, for one?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:50 PM
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You are a moron who can't even argue a consistent point. In one comment you say the bar is in hell and women's standards have never been lower, but in another comment you admit being fit and well groomed isn't enough, because you're supposed to be exceptional. Both statements cannot be true at the same time. Either pick one, or fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:48 PM
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We do think it's okay. The US prison system is partially glorified slave labor for example, and nobody bats an eye because they're felons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:44 PM
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Ironically, you basing your life decisions according to what is socially acceptable and the consensus makes you the weakest man among the rest of us here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:43 PM
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Then fuck society. Men don't owe "society" anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 06:39 PM
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Cool, but that's not our problem. We don't owe you anything. I'm not responsible for other men's actions, and neither do I have an obligation to accommodate your trauma and baggage. The only responsibility I have is to not be an abuser. That doesn't preclude me from filtering for baggage however.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 08:21 PM
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You realize this makes a very rational case for men preferring women with as little relationship experience, and therefore as little baggage, as possible right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:16 PM
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And how are men supposed to know whether a woman is receptive, interested, or attracted without first expressing his own interest? This self-contradicting mixed social messaging of simultaneously expecting men to be proactive pursuers but also shaming them when the woman isn't attracted or interested is why so many young men just decide it's easier and less hassle to try their luck on dating apps, get bad results, then check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:51 PM
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The last few lines are poignant. If you're not an attractive man, society would rather you just didn't have a sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:05 PM
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I'm not even saying that to make fun of him. If he just wants sex, doesn't want a connection, and wants for the woman, or himself, to leave immediately after, that's literally what an escort is for. And it's not so bad at those ranges, because the difference between an escort and a hooker is that the former works voluntarily and isn't desperate whereas the latter one is being taken advantage of. Although, that's what makes escorts much more expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 02:45 AM
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Well, you didn't say that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 12:02 AM
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I mean...let's be charitable. Maybe he's just looking for a partner who's compatible with him, because he has nothing inside his head, no personality, and isn't much of a talker himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:50 PM
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I distinctly recall him writing that there were no women in heaven in either 'Metaphysics' or 'Politics,' but you could be right because it's been over seven years since I last read Aristotle, so I could be confusing him for someone else. Also, the ancient Greek idea of heaven was different from the later Christian adaptation of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:40 PM
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He discusses men and women in 'Politics' and in his works about biology. He describes them as "incomplete men," and lacking a soul, or having an incomplete soul. Between the two, Plato actually had the more balanced view of gender where he sees a woman as a "malformed" man rather than categorically below, and nevertheless concedes that if a woman does something better than a man, she ought to be empowered to the task.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:33 PM
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I'm just making a cheap joke and reference to historical misogyny lol. Aristotle actually said there are no women in heaven, because to be born a woman was to be born without a soul. In a sense, OP is looking to partner with an Athenian woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:26 PM
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He sounds like the kind of guy escort services were meant for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:21 PM
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Saying his standards are high simply for requiring her to not be fat is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:20 PM
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OP will finally get to feel what it's like to transcend to heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:19 PM
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Freedom and liberal democracy are not analogous or interchangeable ideas. The ancient Greeks, who popularized the idea of "freedom" in the western mind, would not have thought of the liberal way of life as "free." I do think freedom is worth dying for, but "freedom," to me, is a completely separate and unrelated idea from the liberal understanding of it, and defending it means opposing the liberal west, and seeking the undoing of liberal institutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:07 AM
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Give me war, and a cause to die for. I used to want to join the military as a kid, but democracy just ain't it for me. I see nothing inspiring or worth killing anyone for in democracy or secular values.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:24 PM
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I see. So basically it means you need to be a whole person with things going on in your life already, and not have to rely on another person or else you will literally be miserable, but it's not an excuse to sabotage your chances at connection, if that's what you want, or serve as an excuse to give up, not try, or do literally nothing to get a relationship and expect good results. In other words, it doesn't mean "accept permanent celibacy" and thinking so is black and white logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:26 PM
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Don't people usually say you need to learn to be happy single before you're ready for a relationship? What's the difference? Genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:11 PM
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That's what I mean. If who you are is literally attracting NO ONE, maybe it's time to take a step back and reconsider whether it's actually something for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:01 PM
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IMO you shouldn't have to change for other people. You should only ever change for yourself. In the context of dating, if you have to change anything about yourself to get into a relationship, that's a good sign right there that maybe you should take a step back and reconsider whether relationships are right for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:42 PM
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>I've gotten past the extreme despair and loneliness phase and now I'm pretty ok with it. How long did that take you? How old were you when the despair phase ended?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:39 PM
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I've been celibate for my whole life. I'm not saying it's impossible, but definitely not for the ordinary person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:32 PM
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I think they're advocating for off the grid living because that's what makes sense in context. If you feel like participating in a capitalist society makes you a slave, then find a way to live and support yourself that doesn't require paying taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:21 PM
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I don't recommend doing what monks do or committing to actual lifelong celibacy, actually avoiding all sex and relationships for the rest of your life, unless you have exceptionally strong mental discipline around self denial that usually comes with religion. Typically always when you see people making vows of celibacy, it's for religious purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:14 PM
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That's a valid option. Just do whatever feels right for you and what you feel you're good at. Just because you missed the boat for one thing doesn't mean every other opportunity has left.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:19 AM
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Can't teach an old dog new tricks. That's why they say late bloomers are losers. Chances are, if you waited too long, then you missed the bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:10 AM
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It's way harder if you waited until you're older and your mind is fully formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:31 PM
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This post was never about incels specifically. Why is it so difficult for YOU to stay on topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:21 PM
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>Guy here so feel free to ignore the following Jesus fucking Christ dude grow a backbone and get some self-respect. Your opinion isn't less valid just because you're a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 10:20 AM
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Idk. I don't think it tops the day your mother presented you to your father.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 10:15 AM
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Oh no! How dare he expects a relationship partner to do the bare minimum? Yeah take that self righteous attitude and fuck right off. If wanting to be complimented makes him less than to you, then you can take your abhorrent standards and rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:17 AM
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Fuck off
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:15 AM
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Screw the birthrate. a combination of immigration and taxation on billionaires, not forcing white women to birth the next generation of cogs for the machine Fuck this shit. I don't want to live in a world where India and Africa make up 50% of the human population. Zero immigration. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:56 AM
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It's an AI model of some kind. But he's not even trying to hide it so honestly, I think he's trolling. Probably just trying to farm ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:55 AM
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If you read through his comments on here btw, it's an AI lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:15 AM
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No he’s not. OP commented on another post how he wants to “breed” a minimum of 30 women this year alone. Oh, then he's a piece of shit degenerate scumbag. But the premise of this specific post is still true: women are strong and independent individuals who can do anything they want without a man. This includes having and raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:42 AM
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If you don't care about the birth rate, then the suggested policies aren't aimed at you. From a government perspective, the question is what policies should be passed to encourage women to have kids to increase the birth rate. It's not all about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:16 AM
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I think he's arguing in favor of more benefits for single mothers to make it possible. Tax breaks could be one suggestion or even government grants for having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:15 AM
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He's arguing you could have them without men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:14 AM
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I think he's arguing in favor of more social benefits for single mothers that would make it possible. Tax breaks could be another suggestion, or even financial aid on housing payments based on the number of kids
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:12 AM
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Women are strong, and can do anything they want without a man. Naturally, this includes raising a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:11 AM
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I thought women could do anything they wanted without a man, and the progressive thing to do was to embrace alternate family structures including single parent households? Naturally, this should include raising a child without a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:10 AM
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What's the alternative--decide at 25 to be single for life? Actually, for a non zero number of men that OP's situation applies to, unironically yes. Life isn't fair, and if you made it to 25-30 as a guy without ever having had ONE relationship, it's time to stop coping and come to grips with reality: you made choices in life that left you single, and now your remaining pool of partners is significantly smaller. In that situation, some men may very well find it preferable to stay single for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 10:16 AM
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This is incredibly outdated. We've moved beyond marriage and relationships being rite of passages at least fifty years ago. Life today is about individual self actualization, self expression, and pursuit of happiness with or without a relationship. In other words, it's not an expectation or a requirement for people to date or marry anymore. Therefore, it's not a "step in life." It's just an option that's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 06:20 PM
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If you didn't settle, why are you complaining about your girlfriend not having had the qualities you were looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 05:04 AM
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Why should these lazy bums get the best of everything, a wife that dutifully cooks for them, and me, who is happy to cook, gets nothing? How is that fair? Maybe because you settled for women who don't appreciate your qualities and who don't have the qualities you were looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 04:51 AM
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I don't actually believe everything I'm arguing btw. I'm arguing for its own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:54 AM
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Then why not keep relationships and sex separate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:52 AM
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Do you cook Italian or American?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:49 AM
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Nothing, but it's all good because I don't date anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:48 AM
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You don't need romance to have intimacy, and this kind of black and white thinking is why so many incels and lonely men in this sub struggle. It's not women's fault that men don't look for intimacy with their friends and non romantic family members and get their needs met without a partner. It's not women's fault that men feel they have no sense of community without a relationship. In fact, if you really do feel like you don't have a sense of community where you live, dating should be the least …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:32 PM
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It doesn't. You just changed the argument. I said relationships making it easier to be financially stable still doesn't prove you need them, because your financial responsibility is yours alone. You don't need a relationship to be financially stable. You need a job and fiscal responsibility. If you get into a relationship because it's easier to be financially stable, you're using a relationship as an insurance plan and not being very fair to your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:30 PM
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I'm also in the US, and no they are not. They're a want, but not a need. You posted a link about housing, but I find that to be a problematic argument because women and men aren't each other's insurance plans. Your survival and your finances are your own responsibility. If you need a relationship just to stay financially afloat, that's all the more reason you shouldn't be in one. You're supposed to be a complete adult and self sufficient before you're even ready for a relationship. Anyone who NE…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:04 PM
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We're not. Modern society emphasizes relationships a lot less than earlier ones where marriage was an expectation and requirement. Today we place a lot more emphasis on personal identity and autonomy, individual self actualization, and pursuit of personal happiness with or without a partner. Relationships are not needs. For most people, they're wants. Men and women aren't each other's therapists or emotional shields and neither are relationships your sole or even primary emotional outlet. That t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:18 PM
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We live in an individualist society which prioritizes individual achievements and personal identity outside of marriage and family. Having a relationship doesn't need to be the rite of passage it used to be. The fact that it still is for many is cultural inertia from religious and patriarchal norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:46 PM
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You're confusing abstinence with celibacy. Abstinence means no sex before marriage. Celibacy is no sex or romantic relationships at all
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:34 AM
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The OP is willing to torpedo his entire life for the singular chance at gratifying some stupid one sided rare shit he glommed onto while gambling on ruining his future wife’s trust and respect for him. Making decisions based on the approval or opinion of other people, let alone other people who *aren't even in your life yet and only hypothetically exist in your head,* is wild to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:54 AM
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You're confusing a hooker for an escort. The people you're describing fit the first category a lot better and are what people think about when they think of sex workers who streetwalk. Escorts are different because they're almost always working voluntarily, are very expensive (much more so than streetwalkers), and usually sleep with rich clients such as politicians and arab princes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:49 AM
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Because women say all the time, even in here, they expect men to approach and aren't attracted to men who don't take initiative
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 04:37 PM
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He started showing more interest after you lost interest right? Sounds to me like he fell for his own tactics and got a taste of his own medicine. He's also incredibly dumb because red pill is for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:49 PM
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You dread gamed him LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:45 PM
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Yes. It applies to men and women both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:27 AM
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Like it’s normal to not like something you don’t want?? Women aren't the ones playing flip a coin guessing whether someone will be attracted to them or not because they're not the ones socially expected to approach. Men are. If you don't like the unwanted attention, stop expecting men to approach and do some of it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:07 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:47 PM
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Sure, but you shouldn't complain that men are attracted to the things they are then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:16 PM
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Are you talking physically or other things? I'm literally 15% bodyfat with a visible six pack, bench 1.3x my bodyweight, squat 1.75x my bodyweight, and celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:13 PM
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I have a six pack and I'm a virgin. Going to the gym and maintaining your hygiene only gets you so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:49 PM
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That's right Jim! Pull them up by the bootstraps! Hope you're not a hypocrite and never take a handout then, because after all, you're nobody's responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:37 PM
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What would I be checking my health for? I'm young, athletic, muscular, and at 15% bodyfat with visible abs. In other words, I'm healthy. I'm not going to die just because I'm a virgin...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:22 AM
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It's hard but...not that hard. I'm 27 dude. Turning 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:28 PM
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There's a big conversational disconnect here because the OP is literally talking about making peace with permanent lifelong celibacy. You're talking about just being happy while not in a relationship while being open to one. OP is talking about giving up entirely and accepting you'll never be in one, and being happy with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:21 PM
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Do you even know what mgtow means and why it's all middle aged dudes in their fifties? You're talking out your ass again. It's way more than just "decentering women." It's permanent celibacy and avoiding relationships with them forever. So again, how do you plan to get a young incel in his twenties to agree to that without castrating him?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 01:49 PM
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As a computer science major, that's a very poor and mundane understanding of AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 01:40 PM
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I said it. Are you capable of reading? If you want a young guy to go mgtow, you have to castrate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 01:39 PM
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I am literally celibate, as in the traditional definition of the word meaning committed to an entire life being single, and even I can tell you it's not as simple as "just decenter women bro." Humans are animals and subject to the same laws of nature as every other species in the animal kingdom, which includes the innate instinct to pursue a mate and spawn. What you're asking incels to do is akin to asking fish to just...not swim upstream to spawn? Being celibate is a choice, yes, but one that r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:08 AM
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Cool. So what humane way would you suggest to castrate young incels and suppress their sex drives? Because that's the only way you're going to get a young man in his twenties to fully commit to mgtow. There's a very obvious reason why the original core cadre who identified by mgtow were all middle aged men in their fifties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:03 AM
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Great. So what humane way to castrate young incels or suppress their sex drives would you suggest?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:01 AM
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And society dies if people don't form families and reproduce. Separating your needs from the needs of society and thinking your whole existence is independent and separate from the culture you were brought up in as well as those around you is liberal mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:51 AM
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You didn't read his post. He's blatantly calling for unattractive men to choose celibacy. It IS a long term result.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:42 AM
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No. Two people who are physically similar but in wildly different socioeconomic groups aren't competing in the same league. That's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:01 AM
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This is what you call aiming above your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 02:03 AM
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If by failure you mean one of the greatest and most important continental philosophers in recent history whose metaphysics are still studied and influential to this day, then absolutely yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:03 PM
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He's one of the brightest philosophers alive. I'd take his word over yours any day
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:35 AM
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Strictly speaking? If survival is where you draw the line? You don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:19 AM
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There is academic and sociopolitical value in discussing these things - just not with you. You don't have a worthwhile opinion to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:18 AM
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If survival is where you draw the line at actual needs, do you need anything other than lukewarm water, protein shakes, and maybe a stick and a cloth? And no, the state does not have an obligation to meet your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:57 AM
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This entire subreddit is terminally online and filled with people inundated with hyper individualism through therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:55 AM
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No. I'm showing that you're making a ridiculous argument by shifting goalposts without actually making a convincing case for what separates a need from a want. You argue that food and water are needs because you can't physically survive without them, yet you interestingly refuse to answer why survival is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:33 AM
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Why do you need food? Yes, you'll die without it, but why does that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:30 AM
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Everything is a want, even survival. If you really want to take a reductive and impartial attitude, not even food and water are objectively needs, because you don't need to live. Why do you need to stay alive? Objectively speaking? But even if I concede survival to you for a moment, why do you need anything apart from existing inside of a cage subsisting on water and protein shakes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:28 AM
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By this reductive reasoning, you don't actually need to eat or drink anything apart from lukewarm water and protein shakes for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:18 AM
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It is amazing to me how many people in this sub conflate a thing being a need with a moral duty for others to meet it. One can indeed acknowledge something is a need without imposing moral duties onto other people to satisfy those needs. Outside of sex and companionship for example, food, clean water, housing, clothing, and money are needs, but nobody is actually obligated to give any of those things to you. In fact, I'm morally within my rights to walk past a starving, naked homeless person and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:02 AM
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Sure, and men are equally within their rights to complain when women demand money, because they too aren't what men who are "resentful of providing" are looking for. Women who complain that men want things in return when they demand money from them also write their own stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:43 AM
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Cool, so don't complain when men demand sex, or act like you're dumbfounded that affection and attention do not, in fact, cost $0.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:22 AM
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I like how you completely deflected from my point to make it about women again when I counteracted your argument about resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:14 AM
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>and to stop resenting the idea of providing You're asking men to essentially not look for the same emotional security from their partners women expect from theirs. Men don't resent the act of providing itself. They resent the fact they wouldn't have been chosen if they weren't established. It's a similar insecurity to what you talked about, except it's "if she expects me to provide, would she even be attracted to me/love me if I didn't have any money?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:34 AM
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The OP is specifically addressing women who explicitly expect men to always pay. Please stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:08 AM
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She's still putting a price on herself by expecting a man to always pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:02 AM
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It is a waste of time to get a six pack for women if that's all you do lol. And also yes, speaking from experience, holding off on engaging with women until X milestone has been reached is usually accompanied with that milestone shifting farther downwards every time you meet it, resulting in an endless rat race of self impr00000vement. First it's money, then it's career, then it's a nicer place, then it's a nicer car, then it's XYZ until you're basically coping and making excuses to never try.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:20 AM
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I don't give a fuck what other guys' standards are because it doesn't directly affect me. I choose partners based on my standards, and not other men's standards. If a woman thinks she can use the approval of other men to be shitty to me and expect more from me than what she herself brings to the table, she can fuck off. I don't care how good she looks. If I want to see a good-looking woman, I already have the internet, or I can go to Vegas. If a woman is interested in a relationship with me, she…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:31 PM
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when men aren’t interested in anything else and say so? Lol speaking for myself, if a woman had nothing else to bring besides her looks, her competition is a jpg, and the picture is always winning because it's less annoying than a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:17 PM
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Things were better in the past. Things change, and some changes need to be rolled back.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:29 PM
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If you aren't ready to put aside your happiness to submit to a permanent commitment to family above yourself, you aren't fit for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:26 PM
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Believe me, you do NOT want a dead bedroom I can handle one, because sex isn't important to me, and I don't actually want it too much
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:11 PM
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I can compromise on sex. I can't compromise on God. Therefore, no sex before marriage is non-negotiable. I would rather be celibate than to marry the hottest woman on the planet who doesn't share my values. I wouldn't resent the woman for it. I'd resent myself for being weak in spirit and character to let physical lust overpower strength of will. And the marriage would end anyways because ending an illegitimate union would become a part of my repentance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 05:08 AM
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Idk. I'd rather marry a virgin and opt into a dead bedroom than have a mixture of both. If a woman has a sexual past, we don't have compatible values. End of story. None of this other evo psych shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:46 AM
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Then you're suspicious of anyone who values things more than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:41 AM
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People rightfully tend to be judged when they end permanent commitments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:38 AM
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Women and honor don't mix. The women in this thread demonstrate very well they fundamentally do not value anything above their personal happiness as if they base their entire value system off of a hedonistic sense of pursuit of pleasure. The very concept and value of self-sacrifice is lost on them, hence why women make for terrible soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:38 AM
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I fundamentally reject the idea that life is about the pursuit of happiness, or that the purpose of marriage is the happiness of either partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 04:27 AM
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When I'm horny, I just jack off. I don't need to involve another person in it. Giving up for me during my journey also included separating my libido from the desire to involve other people with it. Part of that also meant redirecting my sexuality from women to more abstract ideas. Sometimes, I use it as a reward for a good workout now, or when I need to go to sleep. Eventually, I trained myself not to even think of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 01:14 AM
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Not for me no. When I was in high school I got zero attention. So even if it's a man's peak, supposedly, ten times zero is still zero, so I just didn't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:38 PM
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All a lady needs to do is tell the manager or owner such and such makes her feel uncomfortable, and as a business owner they usually decide to play it ultra safe and kick him out rather than facing liability, especially if she decides to take to social media and flame the business for "housing creeps."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:55 AM
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Yeah this right here. When I'm at the gym, I'm locked in and I want to be in and out by around an hour and thirty minutes. Any longer than that and my workout will eat into my schedule. I've got a set time block during my day for me to work out and it becomes an annoyance when things take longer than they need to, especially if something important is scheduled afterwards and too much socializing means I have to skip a workout movement or a few sets.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:54 AM
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Because I stopped caring after around high school, so dating, sex, and relationships stopped being a priority or even important to me. Thus nowadays whenever I see attractive women, I just admire them for the three seconds I see them then continue on with my day. On top of that, I don't think approaching random women you don't know in public non-social areas like grocery stores, gyms, libraries, restaurants, or parks is appropriate. I'm pretty anti-social anyways, and despite knowing that I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:50 AM
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Finding somebody boring is not the same as having them. That's the most stupid and ridiculous comment I've read in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 01:08 AM
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We get it. You're too dumb to get past the first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:15 PM
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Men aren't monolithic and have common interests by virtue of their gender, and insisting that voting Trump is "against male interests" simply because most poor people are men, and most illegal immigrants being reported are men, is nebulous for the same reason saying religion is pro-woman because most church attendance is made up of women. Most of the rich who benefit from his policies are also men, with their own interests, and are no less men than the bottom 5% who are affected by his policies.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:36 PM
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This is just a combination of brain elasticity and an example of how your mindset changes once you've normalized something and internalized it as a truth, and is also one of the ways you can be stoic about something. At the end of the day, it's not worth wasting time and energy stressing about things you cannot change. If you're unattractive and there's nothing you can do to make yourself attractive, or you just don't want to, then there's little use worrying about it further. Similar to OP, wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:31 PM
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Fine. Guilty as charged. I will gladly vote against "men's" interests as long as it means voting opposite of OP consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:24 PM
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All sex is transactional insomuch as all relationships are transactional. Nobody involves themselves with other people for free. You need to add value in some way before someone will have a relationship with you. Sex work is just one specific form of transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:43 PM
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Also, banging hookers doesn’t seem like a healthy thing to do to while youre “trying to find your soulmate.” If you're not being a retard about it, then it's neither healthy nor unhealthy. It's just something you can do. Also, soulmates don't exist. OP is smoking some shit with that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:23 AM
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That makes sense. On that topic though, it's usually a fearful avoidant or anxiety personality conflicting with a desire for sexual or physical connection, and if fear and anxiety wins, then they avoid and don't take action. A lot of times, if it's not behaviorally conditioned, it's a genetic thing, so I'd compare it to a disorder or a disability compared to others who do not struggle with such feelings. It sucks, much like how someone born with missing legs might want to play sports, but have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:42 PM
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Even interpreting it that way, your comment is still flawed because insecurities, jealousy, people comparing themselves to Chad, and any of the other things you mentioned aren't exhaustive or fully capture why many people in today's generation adopt passive approaches to dating. While those things exist, we also live in a highly competitive capitalistic society that emphasizes professional accomplishments, and so many men choose to date passively because sex and relationships simply just aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:14 PM
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Whether something is worth the effort or not is a relative question that ultimately only the individual can answer. For some men, no relationship, not even the best ones, are worth the risk and discomfort of initiating and the work it takes to become attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 06:23 PM
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Being passive isn't victim culture. It's not placing sex on a pedestal and prioritizing other things in life over relationships and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:39 PM
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Other way around. Red pill claims average men in the modern dating market are matched with below average women due to hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:11 PM
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Nuance. Dating apps don't work for the overwhelming majority of men. They obviously work for the top 15-20%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:01 PM
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"If you're black and shaming people, your race is fair game for shaming."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:38 PM
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Damn, you just dropped some heavy truth there, but let me flip this on its head real quick. You're talking about men needing women for validation like it's some unique male weakness. Let's get real - HUMANS need validation. Period. The problem isn't wanting validation; it's outsourcing your entire self-worth to someone else's opinion of you. Here's where your perspective needs a reality check though - you're coming at this from such a place of judgment that you're missing the bigger picture. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:08 AM
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Men who approach in real life get their looksmatch. Men who use dating apps overwhelmingly match below their looksmatch. If you want to keep arguing with yourself and not what people are actually saying, knock yourself out. I'm not wasting my time on your stupid takes anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:47 AM
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The average man's looksmatch is an average woman. Average means as close to the cluster of data points as what you have available, or within one standard deviation from the mean. Again, and for the last time, if you do not understand how gender disparities and algorithms stack the odds against men compared to a perfect 1:1 gender ratio as what you would have in real life, you are too dumb to have an opinion on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:29 AM
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You literally don't understand the definition of average if you think this, and aren't qualified to have an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:17 AM
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You're arguing against strawman arguments nobody is making because you don't have an argument of your own. Again, nobody is talking about Joe Blow dating an IG model or Stacy. They're talking about Joe dating Jane. The fact that you're even writing this nonsense proves to me you don't actually understand how artificial scarcity influences the asking price of a product on a marker, and therefore don't understand how a gender disparity distorts and misrepresents self image on a dating app. You're …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:13 AM
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I find it awfully hilarious that you're unable to argue a coherent point which is why you need to shift the subject of the argument to one nobody was talking about. None of that was relevant because nobody was talking about people dating above their league. They're talking about average men dating average women. The average woman on a dating app has way more choices than the average man her same looksmatch because of gender disparity and dating app algorithms designed to keep people swiping and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:56 AM
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exhales deeply Look, I'm gonna keep it a buck with you - that's some surface-level thinking that ignores how dating apps are literally designed to mess with your head. These algorithms are built to keep you swiping and paying, not finding love. They're about as accurate at determining your "market value" as a carnival mirror is at showing your real reflection. Here's the real talk: Dating apps are heavily skewed (like 75-25 male-female ratio on some) Photos are a terrible way to judge actual att…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:45 AM
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No. Dating apps are giving men a commercialized and skewed idea of their self worth because they're designed to flood women with an abundance of choice and limit visibility of profiles with an algorithm to make money. You have a naive and idealistic understanding of how they work if you think they're fair or they guarantee everyone their "looks match."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:39 AM
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That is a terrible strawman of what he said, which tells me you can't actually argue against his point. He's not saying men get supermodels just because they approach in real life. He's saying most men can pull better looking women in real life than they would on an app due to less competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:33 AM
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Why is this a problem though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:27 AM
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I'm a dude who chose A because I refuse to initiate or approach under any circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:22 AM
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A. It's basically doing what I'm already doing anyways but now with the chance of a relationship with a woman I'm attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:21 AM
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What does that have to do with your earlier comment? The point stands, for incels, doomscrolling TwoX and TikTok is still a better use of their time than trying to get laid, because they're not people that women want to be around. That men don't want to be around them either doesn't change the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:52 PM
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>Making yourself someone that no sane person wants to be around is in no way a good way to spend your time. They're *already* people women don't want to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:25 PM
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What, in your experience, was holding them back?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:58 PM
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half the men here spend more time mining TwoX and TikTok for things to get angry about than they spend on trying to get laid. That's probably still a better use of their time than trying to get laid. Women tend not to like those men anyways so asking them to try to get laid is asking them to part the red sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:40 AM
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half the men here spend more time mining TwoX and TikTok for things to get angry about than they spend on trying to get laid. That's probably still a better use of their time than trying to get laid. Women tend not to like those men anyways so asking them to try to get laid is asking them to part the red sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:40 AM
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I'm responding to the last sentence of your comment. Don't be disingenuous. Incels fit the definition of "people who will not experience relationships."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:55 PM
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You're talking to people who've been celibate their whole lives when you browse this sub. Just to put things in perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:52 PM
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You'd get the opposite impression reading this subreddit. If you're an incel, or someone who romantically struggles, people think there's something wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:51 PM
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Do you work with disabled people or something? It sounds like you work with people who are mentally or physically handicapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:18 PM
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This is true for almost anything in life. Someone who's romantically challenged may be sad about missing out because they're missing that something they need to be sexually successful, or maybe they have something holding them back. But how do you think people born with no legs feel? Or people born blind? I'm sure it feels saddening to never be able to walk, to go on hikes into beautiful terrain or to see natural scenery or horizons in your life. IMO it's okay to be sad about it, but you shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:17 PM
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People choose to be single for different reasons, whether they're fulfilled by it or merely content by it. Some of them are the people you're talking about. They're picky, but have nothing to offer, so they choose to remain single. And IMO, everyone should be picky, especially for LTRs. Getting into a relationship with someone you're not physically attracted to just to tick off a box is never a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:42 PM
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Я согласен. Мне кажется что жизнь в США, это не полезная для моего психического здоровья. Я чувствую, как здесь мне лучше сдаться и продолжать жизни без женщин, но может быть это значение Американского общества. Я считаю ты пишешь правду. Моё психическое здоровье станет лучшим заграницей.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 01:53 AM
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Tbh a lot of the struggling men here and around the world who feel sad about being romantically left out could use some stoicism. Ultimately when you realize and understand that you can't personally control whether other people find you attractive or not, you begin to give yourself the tools to let go, because you can only judge yourself for the choices you make for the things you can actually do something about. If you genuinely cannot do something to change an outcome of something, then there'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:23 PM
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How am I pretending that's going to happen if I explicitly stated I'm not holding out for it and I'm fine with remaining single if it doesn't? If you are of the opinion women never approach or initiate, then take it to mean I'm choosing to remain single
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:02 PM
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What isn't happening? Be specific. I'm choosing not to approach women or to be the active pursuer because I don't want to, even if it results in me being single. It's very much happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:52 PM
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What observable reality am I denying? I'm choosing not to do something I don't want to do against social expectations and nothing more. And doesn't the blue pilled crowd also repeat every day that you don't need a relationship to be happy? So I don't see the problem here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:29 PM
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Men weren't told to want sex and relationships. It's ingrained human nature to want connection, both platonic and sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:52 AM
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Roma pilled yes. I'm a neo-Classicist and heavily base my personal values and beliefs around Roman ones, and by extension the Greek and Roman Orthodox Catholic Churches.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:52 AM
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Like I said in the other thread. I've decided the only way I'm going to date is if I'm approached by a woman and there's mutual attraction. If it doesn't happen, then I've made my peace with remaining single. I don't like modern dating culture, don't want to have to be the proactive one initiating contact and approaching, don't like attraction patterns and how the biological norms around sex and attraction haven't caught up with civilization and still operate on prehistoric norms, and therefore …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 07:10 PM
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Right? Seems like an awfully important detail to omit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 05:44 PM
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I'm speaking for myself, and not a general group. You should "shut up" and learn to do the same. If you want to approach, then fine. Knock yourself out. I'm not because I don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:29 PM
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If you're looking for a proactive guy to lead you in mostly everything in a relationship, then yeah I'm not the one, nor am I trying to be. If I was going to be in a relationship, I'd want an equal co-partner. I'm not desperate enough to check off a box of being in a relationship to fundamentally change who I am and my whole personality to force myself into a mould to become somebody I'm not to settle for a relationship model I didn't actually want to begin with. So again, either she approaches …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:28 PM
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No the worst existence is a lifetime of fear while watching crush after crush get with other guys. It's actually not that bad when you're older tbh because it's normal for you after a point. Every girl I was interested in back in high school and sunday school is now in a relationship or married, and as an older adult approaching my 30s a lot of my dating opportunities have dried up due to circumstance and life development. Oh well, it is what it is. I don't actually care enough to "fix it," and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:28 AM
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Here's what's actually happening: The desire for the girl is REAL AF The fear of approaching is ALSO real AF And sometimes fear wins the cage match It's not about how much they want it - it's about whether their fear response is stronger than their approach response. Some of the most passionate people have the strongest fear responses. Think about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:24 AM
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What are you gonna do, not try to get a girl you think is hot?! Is it a fair assessment then that men who still don't want to approach no matter how hot they think she is, don't actually want her all that much, for one reason or another?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:21 AM
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>They could man up and do what women want Doing what other people want and basing your life off of other people's opinions isn't a "manly" thing to do. I'm socially avoidant and prefer to be approached than to be the one approaching, and if that means I'm going to be single, then so be it. I'm not complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:16 AM
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You didn't read what I wrote. I said they either ask me out, or I'm fine remaining single for the rest of my life. I'm not assuming anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 07:50 AM
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I have fun and exciting hobbies I find fulfilling, and an enjoyable career path (that's not working for a soulless corporation) I find meaningful. I'll be fine. I'm already mentally prepared for celibacy which is why I don't engage here as often as I used to anymore. I've kind of just accepted it already and am currently working on moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:53 PM
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I see. I was just curious to ask because I'm an autistic guy who's given up and found contentment in celibacy, so I was curious to ask how he was dealing with it. Good that he's doing okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:37 PM
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I find it hard to believe you aren’t aware that grift and rage bait aren’t a problem. Because I'm asking after your brother, not the content itself. Is he personally developing feelings of negative self image and insecurity by engaging with this content?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:26 PM
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I don't see how that's specifically relevant to your brother unless he was actively reading it and developed conscious feelings of negative self image and feels intimidated by women. Is that what's happening? Outside of reddit I only ever see the occasional reel or short about height and income. But usually most men do fine. So he'd have to be actively looking for it to be affected by that kind of messaging. Does he doomscroll?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:10 PM
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I've decided that the only way I'd ever consider actually dating is if the woman was proactive and expressed interest in me, and there was mutual attraction. If not, then I'm fine with remaining single for the rest of my life, and it would actually be more convenient for me at this point. I'm anathemic to approaching and refuse to do it. I'm 27 years old, so late millennial early gen Z. If more young men began to think like me, then I could see more social pressure on women being proactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:07 PM
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How are incels poisoning your brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:02 PM
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How much would it help struggling incels/unattractive men if an attractive/handsome man voluntarily chooses not to date, removing himself as an option and competition?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:02 PM
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What's wrong with your brother?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 06:48 PM
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The good news is autistic people are used to solitude so while realizing you're going to be celibate can be a hard pill, eventually they can cope. Honestly being left out from sex and romance isn't the worst thing in the world all things considered. You're going to feel like you're missing out, especially if you're surrounded by people in relationships, but it's nothing someone autistic isn't equipped to eventually cope with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:20 PM
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Nah. I gave up and stopped wanting to go ask women out a long time ago. I don't determine my life or validation with sex or relationship status anymore, which is why I barely comment on here like I used to. They are a great source of happiness and meaning for a lot of people, but that doesn't mean they're the sole or exclusive ones. I've got happy relationships with my parents, friends and family, and I have hobbies I find fulfilling and a direction to work towards. I don't need a relationship t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:33 AM
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Why? People are neither owed a relationship nor are they required to be in one to live a happy and fulfilling life. I don't think I'm missing out on anything essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:26 AM
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I don't. They'll either ask me out, or I'll stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:19 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:06 AM
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In a dating context, the problem with autistic men isn't so much that they're always unpleasant to interact with. The problem is that they're just not socially attractive, and therefore not sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 06:41 AM
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The fact that you're accusing me of making excuses and talking about myself demonstrates poor intellectual prowess to understand an argument in the abstract. It doesn't matter what men choose to do if we're talking about society as a collective whole forcing them to do something at a young age. The entire point is they don't have a choice. They're having socialization imposed on them against their will. That is what parents should go back to doing today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:59 AM
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You're being obtuse. A general practice adhered to by a majority of people who make up society is society doing something. If parents as a general group did something, then society did it, because parents make up society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:53 AM
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50 years ago it was common for parents and entire communities to force their children outside and for them to sign their kids up to sporting events or clubs. That doesn't happen today nearly as much as it does. You can also go full mainland China and ban video games past a certain time limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:48 AM
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...yes you can lol. In fact people did 50 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:42 AM
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Lady, I am literally shredded and muscular and I've been on zero dates. Anecdotally, it's a waste of time to go to the gym for women. If you're going to workout, do it for yourself, and not for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:32 AM
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It's not that you're seen as socially undesirable and subject to mistreatment. You'll simply be left out of sexual interactions but otherwise have a normal life available to you. Nobody is going to discriminate against you doing your hobbies or at work just because you're not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:30 AM
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I mean, I'm 27 years old and I've never gone out on a date because I'm still working on myself. I didn't say it was timely in today's economy lol. I was sharing because I'm challenging the sentiment that it isn't commonly held anymore. It's what I was taught to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:25 AM
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Then what's the controversy about how this supposedly doesn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 10:55 AM
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Strange. I was always taught to work on myself and become stable and independent before I can care for others and welcome them into my life. I was always discouraged from dating until I moved out, got a job that could provide, and became a stable and independent adult because that's what my father did and my grandfather before him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 06:57 AM
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If going by dating apps, then yes. I don't find any of my (limited) likes attractive. If going by real life, I have no idea what my league even is, because I don't date, approach, or interact with women outside of a professional context.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:13 PM
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At this point I'd rather not be a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 08:50 AM
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I wouldn't have even gotten this far. If she's attractive, then she's out of my league and I wouldn't be dating her. She's whatever YOU find attractive Yeah, so out of my league
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 08:35 AM
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Yes, easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:44 AM
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When women can get an education, job, bank account, buy a home, have kids etc all without a man, why put up with anything. You're right. Women have outgrown the need for men and no longer need marriage or relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:31 AM
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I don't hate women. I hate socialists, communists, and democrats. If you can't tell the difference that's your own damn problem and I couldn't care less. And it's hilarious how much shit you're trying to smear me with while simultaneously accusing me of being angry while you're seething at the keyboard bastardizing my comments as if in pure agonizing rage you've forgotten how to speak English. If you think any of that is an accurate recount of what I wrote, then my dog understands English better…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:37 AM
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You accused me of hating women including everyone in my family like a typical conniving rat and now you're trying to gaslight me by accusing me of being guilty of your own behavior. That's not a lie. That's a fact. And you want to know what's pathetic is you letting me live rent free inside your head because your feelings are hurt. Like I said, go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:18 AM
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It's rather amusing that you don't like it when I give you the same energy you've been giving me from the moment you began writing emotionally contrived word salads towards me accusing me of hating all women because your poster child didn't win. You don't get to call anyone pathetic when you've been doing nothing but behaving like a hysterical twat accusing random men of hating you with a victim complex and being insufferable and annoying just because your feelings are hurt. I'm not your therapi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:37 AM
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Do feminists seriously not understand how misogynistic they come across by directly implying women who vote against democrats or against what they perceive to be "women's interests" as a collective identity lack agency or have internalized self-hate? I can't get over how tone-deaf and out of touch so many redditors are telling people who voted for Trump that "they'll never get laid again" when half of them are *women.* This is why you lost, and why you'll keep losing until you learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:01 AM
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Nobody healthy or happy talks like you do, especially not in supposed victory— how can you be so bile-filled even when you are given what you want? It’s like the tantrum of a toddler. Lol says the self-righteous liberal twat accusing strangers on the internet of hating all women because her candidate didn't win. Definitely the behavior of a well-adjusted and happy person you're putting on. Cut the act and stop accusing other people of being what you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:46 PM
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I’m not broken or miserable Your words say otherwise. I can feel the bitterness exude from you from behind the screen. And piss off. My family neither needs nor wants your pity. If you think I'm already being hateful towards you, then you wouldn't like my mother. She came to the US to escape from communism, and in her words and not mine, anyone who votes for socialism or any kind of leftist policies may as well face the firing squad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:14 PM
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I have no idea who that is, but I guess I'll find out by living rent free in your head with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:57 PM
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And yet still more electable or influential than the prosecutor with the charisma of a wet fart and her brigade of seething neckbeards on reddit. Cope and seethe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:55 PM
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Good. I hope we eventually end up in separate countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:53 PM
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Cope and seethe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:52 PM
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My siblings, cousins, and family friends will be, and all of them voted Trump too. You're a clearly miserable person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:51 PM
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I'm not sure how much more clear every woman in my family voting for Trump can be, but I get it. You need to cope because your entire alternative reality is crumbling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:50 PM
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47% of Trump voters were women. Cope harder loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:56 PM
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Because they're in my family and all voted Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:37 PM
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I speak for all the older mothers, women, and people you accuse me of seeing as "human garbage" in my family and community when I say we don't care if you specifically bleed out and die. I don't think women are human garbage. But democrats come very close along with socialists, communists, and anybody who believes in natural equality ideology. You don't represent my mom, my grandmothers, aunts, siblings, or cousins. Fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:21 PM
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Uh huh, says the hysterical loon who thinks President Trump is basically the Taliban or the American Nazi Party, when really it's just going to be more or less a continuation of the same American regime we've known over the past 20 years. Take your meds, ma'am.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:16 PM
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I never did. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:14 PM
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This is a load of mental gymnastics and a poorly veiled attempt to say "I don't know how to express love to someone without having sex with him." And yes, something is wrong with you if you think that way
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:13 PM
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Boo hoo. You can't murder your unborn child. Suck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:11 PM
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There's something very wrong with you if you can't physically exist within or continue a relationship without having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:08 PM
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The woman I'm responding to is talking about having abortions because she simply doesn't want the child. This is shifting the goalposts especially when less than 1% of abortions occur to save the life of the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:03 PM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:01 PM
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It’s not going to be less casual sex, it’s going to be more divorces because couples don’t want to risk the woman dying incase she gets pregnant ????? You're telling me married women with children are going to break up their marriages instead of... simply not having sex? And you expect sympathy? Just lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:01 PM
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Or just don't have sex until you're with a monogamous partner and ready to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:10 AM
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The reason he's making the comparison is because many men see women having multiple partners as being against their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:51 AM
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We should get a new more stable Superpower. China? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 03:43 AM
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No. You're literally telling dudes to lower their standards if they want relationships, which is akin to telling them to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:48 AM
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He's returning to OP the same energy she's giving out. She's literally telling dudes to settle for women they're not attracted to, albeit by disguising it as an attack on their perceived attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:11 PM
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I may not like women as much as I thought I did...I’m talking about them as people, beyond their looks.” Is not logically identical to I don't see women as people Your reading comprehension skills aren't as good as you think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 06:43 PM
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Oh, you don’t see women as people. I didn't say that. You did.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:27 PM
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I'm not going to waste my time arguing definitions with you, so let's just entertain your unorthodox and flawed definition of "asexual" now. What do you call jacking off to women and feminine physical features being my arousal triggers? Oh right...that's called heterosexual. When I say I may not like women as much as I thought I did...I'm talking a out them as people, beyond their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:13 PM
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confused about your self but also definitions and have some issues with reading comprehension. This is rich coming from the same dude who didn't read my comment third comment up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:25 PM
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You're not even using the word "asexual" correctly so I don't think you get to call anybody here dense you stubborn dolt. The fact that you're trying to convince someone with a normal libido and who's sexually attracted to women he's "asexual" proves you don't have a serious or worthwhile opinion to contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:25 AM
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Average to me means nothing remarkable. Not attractive or ugly. That goes for both men and women. Based on what you’ve said, an unremarkable woman would be a fat or chunky woman, is that who you’re pursuing? Aren't only 40% of women fat? Still a lot, but that doesn't necessarily mean that fat is average. And no, unremarkable just means there's nothing really to say about them. Nothing about them stands out. is that who you’re pursuing? I'm not dating, so I'm currently not pursuing anyone. But if…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:39 PM
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I would rather be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:08 PM
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Average women are not ugly by definition, because if ugly women were average then the definition of ugly would shift to whatever the below average is. Ugliness has a large degree of subjectivity, but usually means exceptionally below average or noticeably repelling. You're not ugly until your looks actively repel people. I think I'm unremarkable and unexceptional, or neither attractive or ugly. Just nothing special. In other words, I'm not ugly, but there's nothing sexually attractive about my l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:08 PM
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1) not relevant 2) not relevant 2) does not logically follow. This is as dumb as saying "my dog is asexual because I had him neutered." Asexual means a species which reproduces without sexual activity. Stop bastardizing words. I'm not asexual just because I don't pursue women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:01 PM
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This is such a reddit take. Humans aren't asexual because we can't reproduce by budding. If you experience low to no sexual desire, you're not asexual. You're just low libido or sexually inhibited. I've got a normal libido and feel sexual attraction to women. Except in the last ten years, there hasn't been a single one that's been interesting enough for me to pursue, and half of that is because I hate pursuing people to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 08:33 PM
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Can't think of a single individual woman that's drawn my attention within the last 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 07:20 PM
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That's the point. Neither. If these are my options then I'm staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 07:19 PM
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Still disqualifies her if he's looking to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 05:07 PM
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All these Q4Ms are making me stop and question whether I even like women anywhere near what I thought I did, at least beyond looking at them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:57 PM
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I have no idea what that has to do with my answer, but if I was dating, my dating pool would be average/below average women because I'm average. Therefore, "dream women" or perfect/attractive women like in the OP are out of my league.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:18 AM
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Athletic and fit/toned, hourglass voluptuous, boobs, smooth skin, straight black long or bobbed hair, and above all a seductive and confident personality balanced with wisdom and a strong sense of worldliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 11:43 PM
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Think about your question for longer and you'll understand why it's ridiculous. It's like asking "why can't someone just prefer someone less attractive than their usual options?" Sure, it's physically possible, but outright delusional and childish. If you're physically average, your game is average, and your overall SMV is average, then as a dude, your options are average and below.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:42 PM
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False. Generally I think women need to be more attracted to their partners than men need to be to theirs. A man just needs someone who's decent and good enough for him, but a woman needs to feel like she pulled her best option. This is why an ex that's more attractive than me is a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:24 PM
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No. In my opinion it's not worth it because the hypothetical scenario addresses being with your "dream girl" which raises red flags for me from the get go, because there's no reason a 10/10 or perfect girl should be settling for an average dude unless something was very wrong. Finding out her boyfriend is more attractive than me would just validate my suspicions because attractive women usually always date within their league and choose above average / top % men unless something is wrong with he…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:16 PM
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Yes, that is directly what I'm saying. A "dream girl" is everyone else's 9/10 who is your 10/10 according to your specific tastes and preferences, but overall is still a very attractive, visually and characteristically striking woman and conventionally attractive. By very nature she's going to have endless options and her dating pool will be above average / top % dudes, hence the reason her ex boyfriend is a millionaire football player. Average men learn from a very young age, pretty much as par…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:12 PM
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It's not about status. I'm talking about genuine attraction. A 10/10 is someone who has all the options in the world, and will choose someone in her league unless something is very wrong. For the reasons I described above, she won't be satisfied or attracted to an average dude, especially when her ex is better in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 07:36 PM
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I don't know why she would be dating me because I can't read minds, but for the reasons I mentioned above, I'm not sticking around to find out, because the overwhelming majority of the time it's going to be something bad. If I'm not being robbed or lured into an ambush to be trafficked and have my kidneys harvested, I'm probably being settled for and used as an emotional crutch because she has poor self esteem because her ex cheated on her or something, which is why it's so important for a man t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 06:28 PM
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Barring that, maybe you’re not actually average if she’s dating you for another reason? Maybe she likes that you’re hardworking, funny and dedicated In other words, things most 10/10 "dream women" don't care about. But let’s be real…you’re leaving in this situation because you feel like the NFL player or another guy is going to come in and you don’t think she would chose you over them. Sure, guilty as charged, but I see nothing wrong with that. I don't think anybody should settle for a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 05:51 PM
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It's not just about the money and looks. What's the most common position echoed by women in this sub about income? Women usually always date men in their own income bracket or higher, and why? It's also about the lifestyle and luxury that income provides for. Men who make more money own nicer cars, can take their partners out more often, don't have to work as hard or worry nearly as much about things like bills, healthcare payments, mortgage, rent, have better access to healthcare, education, dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:32 PM
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It's not about whether it should or shouldn't. It's a historical and biological fact of nature and not up for ethical debate, and even you acknowledged it as such. Why that's relevant is it proves there's nothing atypical nor irrational about men failing to reproduce as it's been a reality for as long as mammals have existed. And if he has a basic incompatibility with the overwhelming majority of women, if only because due to the very identity of being women they're incompatible with his require…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:16 PM
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If someone that fit, strong, rich, respected, and accomplished wasn't good enough for her, then joe average has no chance. Way better to cut it off earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:25 PM
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If she's dating you, after being with someone who's more jacked than you, better looking than you, stronger than you, richer than you, more respected than you, and overall better than you in almost every metric, she's 100% settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:24 PM
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Yeah, that's why she's a robot and not a real woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 07:10 AM
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You're not educated on either the other guy or me so you're making a guess based purely on speculation and not from a position of education. I wouldn't be calling her hysterical if she wanted to leave because I had a hotter ex. If men can judge women for a past, I think women have the same right too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:59 AM
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I'm not interested in being with a woman who had an ex more attractive than I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:39 AM
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I don't see a reason to ghost her if I don't know about her ex, and it's otherwise another ordinary day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:26 AM
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Aren't you the same character who said it's normal that 40% of men don't reproduce? Being celibate is living his life like a normal adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:25 AM
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An ex that he decided she thought was more attractive than him. Or maybe he just doesn't want to be with a woman who has an ex hotter than him? It really doesn't have to be more complicated than that. In fact, even her thinking he's hotter than her ex doesn't have to matter. If this was a girl flouncing her way out of your life because she saw a picture of your ex and thought she was hotter, you’d be calling her hysterical. You don't know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:23 AM
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Then he should either find someone who didn't date, or just be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:21 AM
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He doesn't want to be with a woman who has an ex hotter than him. It really doesn't have to be more complicated than that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:10 AM
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How is this not an entirely different hypothetical then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:06 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:05 AM
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If he wasn't her type, she would not have dated him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:04 AM
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He's a football player. He's going to be more fit and stronger than him too, which has value outside of looks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:03 AM
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Yeah, which is why your dating pool shouldn't be "most women."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:00 AM
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How would I know about her ex if I didn't see pictures of him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:58 AM
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Or maybe he himself doesn't want to be with a woman who had an ex more attractive than him? Did your impossibly intelligent mind confined in your cranium ever consider that possibility among the galaxy of considerations you went over?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:54 AM
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If you don't want to compromise with a real woman, don't want to have to argue with someone, or if you want something that's resembling unconditional love, then sure, a language-learning model programmed to mimic a loving partner could be the option for you. Tradeoffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:20 AM
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What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:12 AM
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What kind of a question is that? If there were no pictures and I don't discover her ex, then your entire hypothetical scenario doesn't exist. What even would be the question then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:11 AM
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Yeah I disagree with the OP on that caveat. If you're a below average/unattractive man who wants something resembling romantic interest, and it's unavailable to you, then a virtual AI girlfriend can be a stand-in. Even if it's not as good as the "real thing," it's still better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:04 AM
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It's a win-win situation IMO. Men who have options will likely prefer real women, and there's nothing stopping them from pursuing real relationships. This just sounds like it's, as you said, a niche option for below average / unattractive men who have no options and either can't or won't become attractive to real women, so they have something resembling a relationship they can cope with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 12:41 AM
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>All I’m saying is that the AI girlfriend will have serious drawbacks so guys looking for relationships won’t want one This is for men with no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 12:39 AM
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There isn't any way I can imagine her where the outcome would change. Either way to answer your question, I'd just pretend I didn't see it, then ghost her past midnight and disappear from her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:01 PM
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YOU define your perfect woman. Body, face, hair, age, fashion style, weight, shape, attitude, personality, mindset, interests, etc. You got her in mind? Ok great. Upon a closer look this guy is easily a 6'3 210 lbs NFL cornerback, absolutely shredded, dreads, gold chain, gold teeth, tatted up, double styrofoam cups, etc. They're on holiday in Jamaica on a yacht of some kind. She appears to be having the time of her life. This is a woman that's clearly out of my league.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 10:18 PM
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Took the words right out of my mouth lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 10:14 PM
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You don't have a moral duty to provide for the needs of every human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:24 PM
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There is no such moral duty to fulfill others' needs. Everything else you wrote is a fallacy which follows from that incorrect premise. Just because someone claims sex is a need does not follow there is a moral duty to provide it in the same way nobody is actually obligated to provide clean water or food to starving children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:13 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:03 AM
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It depends on the religion itself. In my community, divorce itself isn't permitted, but separation is possible. Essentially, you can get divorced in the sense that you no longer live with your spouse or include them in your daily life, but you're forbidden to remarry. You get one shot at marriage, and if it doesn't work, then you literally have a moral duty to stay celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:39 AM
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Divorce isn't frowned upon in religious communities because you're expected to be happy with your partner all the time. It's frowned upon because your duty to your family is unconditional, and more important than your duty even to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:21 AM
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You're not going to find unconditional love in a romantic sense kid. If that's what you want, become a monk or a priest and dedicate your life to religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:18 AM
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It exists but only in a religious sense, and is understood to be more descriptive of a relationship between you and God and not romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:16 AM
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There's a very real reason why the incel to volcel pipeline exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:11 PM
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This is cope. Regardless whether you're a man or a woman, if you'd like to pass your genes onto the next generation, but you failed to do so, then you failed plain and simple. It's only "not a failure" if you never tried or purposefully chose to remain single, but by that point you're not part of this discussion anymore. No women are becoming more and more educated which is why the shift began in the first place. And the market determines whether they get what they want or not. If they price the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:08 PM
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The standards will shift as more people are either voluntarily or involuntarily selected out of the reproductive cycle. Lets not pretend the women who survive into the next few generations are going to share the standards of those past failed women who voluntarily selected themselves out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:57 PM
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Then those women get what they want, and their genes don't continue onto the next generation. It's a self-solving problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:53 PM
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She's talking about becoming a lesbian lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:52 PM
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At least be honest homie, not knocking your love of hookers, but don’t pretend that it’s less pathetic than organically taking a civilian home. It is less pathetic, if he finds the club scene demeaning, which it sounds like he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:49 PM
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These sound like much more reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:46 PM
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A majority of men find a partner in their 30s. Get settled for* FIFY
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:02 PM
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That's not the issue. The issue is dating apps are for-profit and don't monetarily benefit from implementing restrictions like that, which is what I addressed in my original comment. In fact, the longer it takes for people to find matches, the more money they make, as people are much less likely to pay for premium versions of the app if they can find quality partners and matches shortly after installing the free version. Therefore, dating apps have every incentive to keep struggling and desperat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:07 PM
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They can't register accounts until enough women make accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:27 PM
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That's not what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:59 PM
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Dating apps would work a lot better if they capped the number of male accounts that could even use them to be roughly equal to their female accounts, but this is something that could be written on a list of things that will never happen because it would run counter to their for profit model.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 06:10 PM
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There is one woman who regulars this very sub who I shall not name, presents herself as a "science teacher" and also pushes this rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 08:02 PM
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There is a statistically significant number of people among both rad fems, blue pill, and even here among people who vocally signal against self identified incels who suggest the cause of the "incel epidemic" is a "surplus of undateable men" and appeal to theories of biology and natural selection to posit they belong to the same demographic of men who are historically "killed off" in wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 04:29 PM
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Aren't you one of the women online who expresses some empathy for men's "loneliness epidemic? I'm curious what's your take on a common reddit suggestion to send all the "surplus" men who can't find dates into wars to die?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:01 PM
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In other words...yes suppress your emotions and be prepared for hypergamy...if you specifically want to date conservative women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:37 PM
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If a woman is choosing to remain single, she is not a part of this discussion. This entire conversation focuses on women who want to date, would prefer to be partnered up, but have standards which keep them single by eliminating 99.9% of men they can realistically attract. A woman who prefers to remain single isn't worth my romantic interest, or that of anyone else who has a healthy level of self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:35 PM
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And I want to marry a Greek goddess. After a certain point, holding out for something that doesn't exist is choosing to be single. It's okay to choose to be single, as long as you're conscious about it and doing it authentically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:36 AM
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just like my alone time and not having to compromise. Then it sounds like relationships aren't for you, because a relationship where you don't have to compromise doesn't exist, and that's okay. Dating and relationships aren't mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:33 AM
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Yes, and I'm not interested in dating a woman like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:30 AM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:50 PM
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She herself says she's fine with being single. Her standards are delusional in the sense that being 100% compatible with *anybody* is impossible, however it's not a problem if she's not looking to actively date. If you ask my *personal opinion* though, she should be honest and just admit she's voluntarily *choosing* to be single, and that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:30 PM
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Being a woman doesn't make you an expert on women, or even knowledgeable about women's experiences beyond your own personal experience, anymore than being a man gives me any kind of expertise to write a thesis on the birth, life, and death of Winston Churchill simply because he too was a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:17 PM
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I took that as an exaggeration... You should take an ESL course and learn to read instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:15 PM
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I think basic ESL skills should be a standard to reply to my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:00 PM
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Both you and your friends' opinions aren't relevant if you're not actively dating, or even the dating demographic that men like the guy you're responding to are interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:58 PM
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I know women more deeply than you have. Women (and men) aren't scores to be keeping track of on a scoreboard. However many women or men you know isn't an accomplishment, or anything you'd cite as a credential.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:55 PM
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That's not the point. The point is I, and most other men, aren't competing with "peace and quiet," because a woman who doesn't have attractive options to her aren't women I'd even want to compete *for* in the first place. I've got better things to do with my time than to compete for the romantic interest of overly picky women who exclude 99.9% of men who would be realistically interested in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:46 PM
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You're not understanding what I'm saying. When I say "zero options," I mean zero options she would consider worthwhile. If a woman: A) Wants to date B) Gets regular attention and C) Doesn't consider anybody in her pool of partners worthwhile Then that's not someone I'd even want to date to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:37 PM
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At that point, I'd reevaluate and question whether romantic relationships are even for you, because nobody is 100% compatible. Soulmates don't exist. Real relationships require compromise and give and take. If that doesn't sound like it's for you, then that's fine. They're not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:36 PM
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I feel like you should work on logically expressing your ideas, because that's a fundamentally different argument. Yet even still, my position remains the same. I wouldn't want anything to do with a woman who apparently has a hard time finding one or a few suitable choices if her lineup of suitors is supposedly abundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:36 PM
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The idea is still a cope. I don't care enough about *you* to examine your personal life; just the ideas you post publicly. And generally speaking, if I'm competing against literally nobody to win a lady's romantic interest, it sounds like that's not someone I'd even want to associate with in the first place. Nobody I'd want to date would have zero options or have no competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:17 PM
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Honestly, claiming that women's standards are "delusional" is a huge red flag. Depends on what those standards are. You aren't entitled to a relationship. Nobody said otherwise. You're not entitled to food, water, or even basic human rights either, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:01 PM
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but I'm not delusional. I'm just okay with being alone. If your standards are delusionally high, then by that point it's a decision to be alone. To use an example, if you're holding out for a young billionaire, then yes you are choosing to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 05:59 PM
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This sounds like cope. If a woman doesn't have other male competition to win her romantic interest, then generally speaking, she isn't going to want to be a woman I'd want to be with anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 05:57 PM
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When you talk about femininity are you referring to aesthetic? Aesthetic and personality. I like women who are bubbly, giggly, into soft and cute things, like pink, shy, and make me want to smother them with hugs and kisses and protect them. That seems in direct conflict with the very definition Not always. You can be aggressively feminine and have a personality and opinion, like a cute tsundere type with obsessive personality archetype and female competitiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:28 PM
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Submissive - ish but with her own opinions and not afraid to call me out on my shit if I'm acting dumb one day. Feminine is a definite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 04:47 PM
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Apparently not, because common discourse among women in this sub is that it's mostly a one sided relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 02:09 PM
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What does the woman get in all of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:22 PM
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How the fuck does selecting for 2-3 remove 80% of men from the entire dating pool in your twisted view?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 08:16 PM
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So what do you propose for the bottom 80% of women? Because generally speaking those top 20% men will want top 20% women for monogamous marriages too, so what's for everyone else? Polygamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:27 PM
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Do you judge men for seeing sex workers? Only asking because there was a previous thread about it which might suggest sexual past does indeed matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 11:03 AM
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Holding him "accountable" for being a victim of defamation? Eat lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:01 AM
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Cool. You're entitled to your opinions, but mine is you're a massive piece of shit, and therefore i will be disregarding your opinions from now on, so don't waste your time responding to me further.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:55 AM
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Stop wasting your time. She basically just admitted to being a massive piece of shit person whose opinion is worth less than a heap of cow dung
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:46 AM
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Then you would be a terrible mother and should do the world a favor and have your tubes tied.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:45 AM
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You're a piece of shit person if you would throw your own son under the bus with no evidence based on words from a stranger, and don't deserve to be a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:41 AM
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I believe that society would be a much better place overall if more people saved themselves for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:30 AM
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So you're basically going to be the parent on her knees begging for forgiveness if forensic evidence comes back which proves your hypothetical son was innocent, and in that moment he would be right to cut you off permanently
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:53 AM
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And your inference would be wrong. Most people don't enjoy or prefer casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:39 AM
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because I think you deserve to be beaten within half an inch of your life with a mallet. I don't think your opinion on who is or isn't a bad person has any weight if you think this based on a discussion on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:32 AM
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Women literally lie about their N counts to their boyfriends when they ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:30 AM
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You thinking you're unfuckable and unlovable ain't the same as it being true. Splitting hairs, and doesn't contradict the premise: Most men who need to use prostitutes to get laid are already unloveable and unfuckable prior to meeting them. If you are already unfuckable and unloveable, then you lose nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:26 AM
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You still had a chance with many women prior to prostitutes. This is you virtue signaling. There's no way for you to know that and stating this as an impersonal fact is bad faith argumentation. The fact remains: if you are *already* unfuckable and unloveable before prostitutes, you lose nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:20 AM
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Maybe because their surroundings and their life experiences are what *lead* them to the conclusion that women want impressionable assholes, thus they choose to quit instead? Have you ever stepped outside of your solipsistic bubble and considered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:16 AM
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What a judgmental assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:13 AM
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Does not logically follow. Just because it's possible for casual sex to lead to relationships does not logically follow that most people in relationships have had casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:29 AM
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I don't see anything in the OP where he says ugly dudes who need to use sex workers can get prudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 11:03 PM
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Who the hell said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:50 PM
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This depends. Plenty of other "nice guys" quit the game altogether if they're convinced the only way to win is to become an impressionable asshole. Some of my friends and I are voluntarily celibate after giving up on dating altogether. We still treat women respectfully, but we just don't pursue romantic interests or show signs of interest anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:45 PM
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It's easier to pick on Iran than it is to pick on Russia. One has a nuclear arsenal that can obliterate the entirety of North America, and the other has no way of harming the US besides ballistic missile strikes on American bases in the Middle East.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:38 PM
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No. I fucked my gains even harder lifting when I had covid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:37 PM
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Because they're the relevant demographic for this topic. Generally speaking, men who have no options besides sex workers are gross. Additionally, the open secret online is that many men who are terminally online and subscribe to redpill talking points use it as a mask for their own ugliness. They hide behind "self improvement" as an identity because deep down they believe they *are* ugly and gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:28 PM
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I don't think there's such thing as a gross loser woman who has no options besides gross loser men except for a very very small minority of women who aren't statistically relevant. Most women will have average men in their dating pool simply because men are less selective than women and women are almost always universally more desirable than men. But in any case, I'm not talking about women at all. I'm pointing out you're asking the questions you do because you're too attractive to even encounte…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:22 PM
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You mean gross loser men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:15 PM
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If you're a conventionally attractive woman who would rarely ever encounter or socialize with a guy who doesn't regularly get access or opportunities to date or have casual sex, this isn't really your ring to share an opinion in because you're so far removed from the realities these men face that you won't even be able to empathize with their situation. If your dating pool is only men who are able to get casual sex whenever they want to, then you're an above-average conventionally attractive wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 09:11 PM
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Most men who use prostitutes, or at least a great many of them, are already unfuckable and unlovable prior to doing so, and therefore having relationships with prostitutes doesn't take away anything from them in that regard. If you're already at zero, you can't go any further down below.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:56 PM
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If women have a visceral disgust for sexless men, using a hooker/prostitute is just going to make it worse because if anything, it will only confirm what they already believed which is that you have next to zero avenue of attracting and keeping a woman on your own and thus you have to resort to using hookers. If they're legal in your area, I'd say to go for it, if you can accept hookers being pretty much your only sexual outlet forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:51 PM
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Should women disclose body count to men who don't want high N women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:20 PM
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Yeah, they're delusional. If you're not attractive, there's really no real choice but to accept that you are unattractive, along with all of the consequences that come with that. Some people are bitter about it and blame the world. Some people just give up and move on. Either way, the world moves on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 04:19 PM
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I don't care what you do. I'm giving an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:59 PM
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To never settle, and if she can do better for her partner, then she absolutely should. No reason a 90k woman can't attract a 135k man who is better groomed, more attractive, fitter, and can offer her a better lifestyle than a 60k man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:09 PM
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I'm not a quitter. I'd just rather put in that kind of energy into myself, my career, my hobbies, and my personal projects than in pursuing a woman. I could try harder, but if I don't like my odds in dating, then I simply don't want to. I don't exactly like the job market either, but at least my career fulfills a more immediate need that determines my living standards, whereas a relationship is purely a want and not a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:40 AM
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You're a woman and have options. If you had to deal with the same bullshit AND had zero men interested in you, then giving up would look more appealing for you too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:01 PM
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I mean, if you don't have the resilience to keep trying, then sure. If either of the following are true, then it's better to just throw on the towel: A) you don't like the game B) the rules of the game are stacked against you to the point that effort isn't worth it. For me, it's a combination of both. Therefore, I'm just focusing on myself, my job, my hobbies, and living for myself and not for women. Sometimes it's just accepting relationships don't give you what you're looking for, and being ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:57 PM
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Giving up is the only logical answer that doesn't involve infringing on other's freedom of choice
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:26 PM
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I don't hate them. I just have a radically different view of sex and sexuality from them and therefore otherwise want nothing to do with them as far as intimacy is concerned. If you live a promiscuous lifestyle, then our values aren't compatible because our views on sexuality don't align. Therefore naturally, I will select against them for a romantic partner
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:22 PM
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Being able to walk naked around the place without anyone to say a damn thing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:32 PM
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I actually did get an employee compliment letter from corporate last week for outstanding service and exemplary performance. Another +1 for me towards a raise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:30 PM
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Sure a relationship is a want not a need, I know that best bc I was voluntarily single for a while. But now that I’ve found my person, he’s #1 in my life. If you view your job as more important than your relationship, you’re probably with the wrong person. You don't see how this is a logical contradiction? You're with your partner because you WANT him, but you don't NEED him. But by logical definition, needs are more important than wants. If something is needed, then it is more important than wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 03:11 PM
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Yet you still need that boss more than you do that loving relationship. Relationships are wants, and not needs. We tell the struggling men here that all the time. You don't need a relationship to be happy or to survive. It's just something you want more akin to a hobby or a luxury than an actual need. Your boss may not care about you as a person, but if he didn't exist in your life you wouldn't have a house. If you don't have a house, chances are you don't have that loving relationship either. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:06 PM
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It's not about what makes you happier, but it's about distinguishing between needs and wants. Usually your wants make you happier than your needs, because they're more oriented towards self actualization goals than they are immediate needs and survival. You don't need a relationship. In fact, that's what we tell the lonely men on here all the time. It's not necessary or a requirement for a complete life. It's a want and a self actualization goal more akin to a hobby or a project. But it's not re…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:03 PM
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I think this is an unconvincing argument, because from rarity does not follow importance. Let us suppose we are talking about an adult living in the United States who rides bikes as a hobby. Owning a car is undoubtedly important for basic everyday life for him, and owning a bicycle is something less important. He can bike ride as a hobby, hold out for a very rare and very high performance model, but at the end of the day, no matter how rare or good his bike is, it will never be more important th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:01 AM
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If you're unattractive yourself, marrying someone you find attractive likely isn't an option for you. Most 5/10s (average) want at least another 5/10, or if not will settle for a 4/10. A 1/10 has only other 1/10s or 2/10s as potential dating options. They won't find their partners attractive because they have the same conventional preferences as everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:50 AM
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None of that challenges my premise or contradicts what I wrote in any way. In fact, our claims are compatible, because how enjoyable, or unenjoyable, something is has no consequential bearing on how important it is from a life standpoint. Work isn't important because it's fun, but because it provides for you a living. Without it, you don't even have a home. Meanwhile, unless you're a gold digger or a prostitute, nobody pays you to have a relationship. It doesn't provide for you in the same way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:32 AM
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Exactly my point. And I bet your marital status either wasn't a question, or if asked at all, was purely for tax or benefits purposes and not a factor in actually accepting you or not. Meanwhile when you take someone on a date, one of the questions is always, "so what do you do for a living?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:19 AM
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if you actually have feelings for them and aren’t with them just for utilitarian reasons.) Even in the era of egalitarian relationships, finances are the #1 cause and reason cited for divorces. I think your job should be more important than any partner you would have, including the one you may currently have, because my conclusion is premised upon the assumption that A) No relationship is required to live a happy and fulfilling life B) if you lose your job, your partner will leave you anyways C)…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:18 AM
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I genuinely don't understand younger people who think and claim their partners are more important to them than their jobs, because to me it's the opposite. Your job is more important than your relationship or your romantic partner. A job is necessary and for most people required to provide for a basic living. A relationship is optional and not necessary for a happy and fulfilled life. Both a job or a relationship can leave you at any time, but losing a job is a lot more consequential than losing…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:09 AM
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Most of you are not ugly Yes we are I wish more people would post pictures of themselves more Lol nobody is going to want to tie their IRL identities to the terminally online shit spewed here
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:59 AM
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You do you, but personally I find it weak to be working so hard so that other people accept you. The only person whose opinion of you that you should care about is yourself. If women don't like you because of your height, then I mean this when I say it, but fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:03 AM
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I'll give up on women, and improve for myself. I don't give a fuck about being a "top 5% man" or whatever because life isn't a competition and idgaf about other men to be rating myself against them. Also I'd rather swim in acid than be with a woman who chooses me for money or "status."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:01 AM
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Yet so many guys want to complain It's legitimately funny how tone deaf you come across saying shit like this while telling short men to compensate with money. Personally, I'd rather be with a hooker than a girlfriend if I'm only valued because of the size of my bank account.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:59 AM
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If I had to dumb down what I said above, if the rules of a game are rigged against me, because of something I can't control, then it is better not to play that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:45 AM
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For me getting a hobby, reading, exercise, and meditation or prayer helped. It requires a lot of reframing of the mind to essentially challenge the idea that getting married or finding a partner was even naturally expected of you in the first place. I'm not expected to become a billionaire, and therefore I shouldn't be judged for feel bad for not becoming one. Neither am I expected to become the President, and therefore similarly why should I feel bad that I'll never sit in the oval office? In t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:44 AM
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I'd like to be picked in the sense it'd be nice to have a billion dollars. It's nice to have, but not holding out for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:28 AM
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On the flip side, if you're a short man, and something as superficial as your height is enough to make you apparently a zero/10 according to many, supposing this is true, why wouldn't this just encourage you to become celibate? As a 5'7 dude myself, I don't think about my height a lot, but if my height is enough to make a woman get the "ick," I don't want her anyways. I'd that happens to be all women, then oh well sucks to suck. I can't control my height and can't control whether women are attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:26 AM
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In ancient societies people matured faster because they took on adult responsibilities sooner. As I recall correctly you could join the legion at around 15 or 16. Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia at just 20 years old, but he had Aristotle as his personal tutor and was trained since 8. So taking precedence, you can make people more mature at a younger age, but you have to purposefully raise them that way from a very young age. You basically begin preparing to become an adult at 8 year…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:58 PM
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Men should care about what attracts women they're attracted to. These women are attracted to serial killers. Ergo, these men should care that these women are attracted to serial killers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:29 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 05:28 PM
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Nope, but trying to disqualify my argument with insults sure is. That's not what I did you fucking retard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 05:28 PM
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His argument was a strawman, and not reductio ad absurdum. And insulting you alone isn't a ad hominem either, dumbass. It's only ad hominem if I attempt to disqualify your argument on the basis that you made it. Seriously, stop using words you don't know the meaning of. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:06 PM
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I'm not taking a side in your debate between you and the other guy, dip shit. I'm just pointing out reduction to absurdity is a valid refutation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:02 PM
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Hence why you can't actually show why my argument doesn't meet that criteria. You did no such thing. You changed the argument and attacked a different claim. That makes it strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:58 PM
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No it's not. Reductio ad absurdum retains the original argument's logic and takes it to an absurd conclusion, showing the weakness of the logic. A strawman changes the argument entirely. Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argumentative strategy. Strawman is not. If you argued "we aren't doing enough," and someone argues "we should totally have 24/7 surveillance," that is strawman, and not reductio ad absurdum. Seriously, instead of arguing with me about this, actually read about it. https://en.m.wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:54 PM
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It's not reductio ad absurdum though. It's a textbook strawman argument. it's the same exact argument they made, just reversed. The other guy's argument was a strawman too. You misidentified it as reductio ad absurdum. A REAL reductio ad absurdum argument goes like this: Argument A: "A human being is defined as a featherless bipedal" Argument B: Then a plucked chicken is a human
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:42 PM
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That's not reductio ad absurdum. That's strawman. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:38 PM
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No. If it works, the argument is shit. That's why you do it. If the argument was logical, it wouldn't work. Just because it has a Latin name doesn't mean it's a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:23 PM
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Approaching is still physically possible. I'd still rather pour acid in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:35 PM
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You're more optimistic than me then lol. I tend to the more dog-eat-dog social darwin interpretation of romantic partnerships, where both men and women select for the best and most fit of each generation, and naturally some people get left out due to no moral fault of their own. It's more blackpilling, but after a while you learn to live with it. Also, I'm single by choice on top of circumstance, so instead of blaming women I'm owning it. I'm single because I'm not attractive to women, and I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:31 AM
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Even if just 80% of that list describes you, then you're doing better than most here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:22 AM
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You can find him if you want to enough. If you know what you want, then it should be natural, because you should know where those kinds of people hang out, what they look for, and how they behave and carry themselves. For *many* men, there's a problem with attracting people *at all.* I've personally given up. I just frequent here because I like to argue lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:19 AM
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What major?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:17 AM
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Idk why this seems to be rocket science.... but just because a man is attracted to a woman doesn't mean the woman is attracted to the man, and that doesn't mean something is wrong with the man. She's just not interested, 9/10 has nothing to do with the man. It's 100% on the man if 0 women are interested in him or attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:14 AM
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reductio ad absurdum argument if someone would make if they weren't interested in good faith discussion. Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argumentative strategy. You're literally taught to do it in debate courses.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:09 AM
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You're rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:08 AM
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But thanks for manifesting it for me haha IMO almost any woman can have any kind of man she wants, if she's willing to put in the effort to attract him. Men aren't that complex. When men say women have it easier, they mean that generally what men value in women is easier for women to attain than both men and women's standards for men. Therefore, all else considered equal, it's way easier for a woman to get her type than for a man to get his.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:03 AM
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From my perspective, men tell themselves these are what women want because they're also men's standards for themselves. Even when insecure men eventually grow to meet their own standards, take finance for example, they either raise it so it's an endless grind, or a new insecurity comes up: she's using me for my money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:00 AM
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You scored a 0.5%? Congratulations then. You've won.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:59 AM
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Do you want me to get offended or smth? No. No I don't. Just for you to be aware of it. That's all. I just want to make sure you genuinely believe the words you're typing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:42 AM
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You're just repeating red-pilled talking points but in the reverse direction. Your attitude and your view of marriage and intersexual relationships are exactly the same, even if you don't admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:58 AM
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But a loss is still a loss, and your general sentiment and assumption remains the same, except from the reverse gender dynamic. "As much as women do" is just victim Olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:52 AM
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I think people do deserve to feel love, but too many people become so narrowly focused on sexual and romantic relationships that they fail to recognize that love exists in many forms, many of which we either don't see, such as god's love if you're religious, or we take for granted, like love you already have from your family.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 06:49 AM
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Red pilled men ask the same questions in the reverse dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 06:28 AM
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That's a good point actually. When it's men struggling romantically or sexually, it is said that women have no obligations to change their attraction patterns to be more inclusive. But if a man says he's attracted to a blonde girl with big tits and an hourglass figure, he's labeled shallow or non inclusive. On top of the push to make porn more "inclusive" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:51 AM
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Hard disagree, or else ACE people or women past menopause don't have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:34 AM
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Toilets and having access to plumbing has tangible benefits for personal sanitation and hygiene, and not having access to them noticeably decreases quality of life, even though yes they aren't a strict need in the sense that having access to water at all is. Therefore, I feel like that isn't a good comparison. Instead, this sub, along with many others who parrot cultural individualism in personal relationships, describe sexual relationships more along the lines of having Starbucks regularly each…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:33 AM
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Catholic parents with Buddhist extended family. And while I'm not devout, I still apply a lot of the theology to my daily life along with what I learn from studying Stoicism and asceticism from the Greeks and Romans.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:20 AM
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What constitutes a "valid reason," in your view? Personally, breaking up a family, especially when children are involved, because either mommy or daddy can't get a dopamine release and an expulsion or mucus is a pretty terrible reason to put a child through a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:13 AM
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Yeah. As someone brought up in a more traditional and conservative oriented culture, it never made sense to me how people can rationalize that women (or men) who have had an extensive history of casual sex are somehow emotionally compatible with people who attribute intense emotional bonding or moral value to sex, to the point they only want to have it with intimate partners. If person A attributes a lot of significant value onto sex, sees it as something intrinsically linked to love and intimac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:11 AM
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But if sex is a want, and not a need, as is so often repeated here and a lot of other places online, then you agree that this is one aspect of your relationship which you may not be happy with, but isn't otherwise *essential,* right? You can be in a loving relationship without sex, or you could be single and still not have sex anyways. I fail to see how the second scenario is better than the first. Men get told all the time that sex is a want and not a need, and therefore they shouldn't feel wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:07 AM
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id just ignore it tbh, the schizophrenia from both sides gives me migraines It's terminally online brain rot polluting mass culture is what it seems like to me. People in my original country (southeast Asia) just don't talk about this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:57 AM
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Ok so hypothetically, what if your husband was touchy-feely and always wanting to cuddle, everything else about the relationship was great, communication, respect, commitment, him helping out at home and with the kids, etc. But he just wasn't having sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:53 AM
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Communication, basic respect, and commitment are arguably more important than sex. That means having a willingness to meet the other partners' needs. I'm not disagreeing that this willingness must exist, but what those "needs" entail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:41 AM
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If it's not a need, or essential to a happy life, that kind of contradicts your premise that it's required for a functional relationship too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:33 AM
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Interesting. I take it you live in Europe or a country where prostitution is legal and there are more socialized programs? I'm in the US and we don't have those things. We have ACA and medicare/medicaid, but it's not enough to get by for someone struggling. Prostitution is also illegal in the US everywhere except in one county in Nevada, and it's priced so high it's a luxury and not an accessible service.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:29 AM
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We've decided food and water are entitlements in developed countries. But they're not though, because I have to go to work to earn money to buy them. You're clearly not entitled to your needs either in developed countries. So how do we distinguish from needs and wants, if a thing being either of those things has no consequence on it being something you're entitled to? You're entitled to basic security and having your legal rights respected, and those are needs in a civilization, but you're not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:19 AM
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Well I mean if you want to argue argumentum ad absurdum, even those things are wants and not needs, because why do we logically assume living is a need?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:15 AM
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Guilty as charged. But no seriously, I see no way these three statements logically coexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:14 AM
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I was just in Seoul last week. Where were you there? It's honestly one of the nicest cities I've been to, and quite perplexing that anytime I leave the US to go to any developed country, the infrastructure and people are much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:09 AM
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Call me autistic or neurotic if you wish, but I struggle, genuinely, to wrap my head around how these three claims are compatible: 1) Sex is not a requirement to live a happy and fulfilled life 2) Nobody ever owes sex to anybody else; not even partners 3) Withholding sex in a relationship is wrong, because you're denying the other person their "needs." No seriously, if a relationship is otherwise happy and fulfilling, and missing ONLY sex, why is that a good excuse to break it up, especially if …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:08 AM
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My own family pressures me to date in southeast Asia *specifically because* women there are more traditional, and yes that absolutely includes those other things you mentioned. I also feel like PPBs are more open to being sole providers for Asian wives because their dollars go a lot farther in those countries. In fact, that's half the point of being a PPB.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:53 AM
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Well, religion and culture have been pretty much the same thing for the majority of human history. You literally can't study Greek or Roman culture without their mythology, and European culture is closely tied to the Catholic Church.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:41 AM
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What about people who are religious because they simply believe in god?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:39 AM
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It's actually somewhat built into language in vulgar speak. The fact that the word "fuck" is used to mean sex along with intense disrespect towards someone says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:38 AM
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Given his name, I'd assume Japanese traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 08:51 PM
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No I don't think I will change your view, because you're absolutely right. Men have nothing of value to offer you, and you're better off being single. Go do your own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:00 PM
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none of them were legally single past age 22 22 is missing the boat if you want a tradcon relationship? Who the fuck is able to provide at 22?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 09:48 AM
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Apparently women are happier single than in a relationship. Might as well do them a charity and leave them alone then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:27 AM
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How is it "fuck around find out" when he knew he was going to die, and willingly embraced that? He knew he was going to be shelled to shit. He knew he would be shot at. He knew he'd be covered in mud. He knew he'd have drones lurking over him. He knew when he got on that plane that would be the last time he'd see his family and friends, and he went anyways. Like I said, he died with a smile on his face.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:17 AM
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u/solondthewookiee It's easy to go to the range and prepare for an invasion that is never coming. How do you explain then men who leave their comfortable lives in the west and go to war zones? I literally knew a guy from Canada through mutual friends who's now dead because he left to go volunteer in the Ukrainian international legion. He died fighting near Bakhmut last year and was killed by an artillery shell. In fact, his death was reported on the news. And it wasn't a case of "fuck around fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:52 AM
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If civilization is natural so is enforced monogamy, which she calls abhorrent lmao. Rules for thee, but not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 05:05 PM
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I don't think shaming alone accounts for most young men not having approached, but it certainly doesn't help. I myself have never approached a single woman I was interested in my entire life. In fact, quite the opposite. In high school and even early college, I would go out of my way to *avoid* women I was attracted to, and did everything possible to prevent even a single interaction with them. Being told I would be judged and shamed if I approached was more of a push towards a decision I was al…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 02:58 PM
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This is also how I was raised, and why I wouldn't ever pressure someone into having sex if she wasn't comfortable with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 02:54 PM
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You're wasting your time. I had this exact same argument with her more than a few months ago, logically deconstructed every argument she put forward and explained why they're incoherent, and all she's able to do is stamp her feet down and reaffirm her position and position of superiority, shifting between prescriptive and descriptive claims at her own convenience. She is, quite literally, incapable of having a rational argument. There is no getting through to her except for her to live in a coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:23 PM
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She is one of the worst bad faith posters in this entire board and frequently alternates between descriptive claims about how nature works and moral claims about how things should be, but interestingly enough her moral claims only ever include making affirmative claims in favor of women's rights and empowerment, whereas she's perfectly happy to see single men struggle. Her entire reasoning has no real answer for why men shouldn't just band back into warrior rape gangs like the Mongols and rape a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 09:32 PM
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Seriously, I will ask you again: why are you so fucking angry that I know I’m just ok looking and nothing spectacular? I never called myself “hideous”, but you somehow took it that way, so why? The real question is why are you so defensive and sensitive and falsely accusing me of being angry? The only one here writing vitriolic and hostile comments is *you.* And it's quite hilarious how wildly off-base you are, because copy-pasting my relevant comment into ChatGPT even AI language-learning model…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:22 PM
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Life has been better and less stressful from when I was a teenager and in my early twenties when I used to be an incel by the strict and traditional definition of that word, minus the misogynistic or women-hating connotations it has today. So basically, someone who wanted intimate and sexual relationships yet couldn't get one due to negative self-image, an avoidant personality, and above all a lack of desire to change myself to be attractive to women I wanted. Back when I used to regularly mastu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 10:27 AM
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Speaking from my own limited experience, I've felt pressure for basically my entire teenage and early 20s years to withhold from dating to focus on education and career because I came from a Southeast Asian background where male provider roles are more emphasized, and so the message I received both from my family and from confirmation bias online in more toxic spaces is that, as a man, my value as a romantic partner is directly determined by my economic participation and earning potential. I als…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 10:16 AM
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I'm not asexual or ace. I am a heterosexual man with a normal sex drive and libido. If I got married, I would want a Josephite marriage, or a marriage in which I only have sex with my partner to create children only, because I'm an ascetic and a stoic, and believe in self-denial, the limiting of all desires and wants, and focus on spiritual pursuits and moral virtues in a minimalistic life. I'm not strongly religious as far as organized religion is concerned, but I am philosophical, and influenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:09 AM
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You need manpower for a strong defensive position too. Long range infrastructure strikes have never deterred invading forces in the long run. In WWII allied air power devastated German industry and urban areas yet the Wehrmacht continued to advance. Ukraine received billions of dollars of US and foreign aid, including FPV drones, ballistic missiles, stealth cruise missiles, radars, bombs, F-16s, tanks, APCs, and artillery. Contrary to media reports, Ukraine HAS been striking the Russian rear, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:04 AM
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Wars are fought and won with manpower and heavy industrial industries, both past and present. Technology changes the specific mechanisms by which those things happen. They do not otherwise change those realities. It doesn't matter if those countries do not have the specific tech the US does. The fundamental principle is still wrong, because if it was not, Russia should have already been victorious according to your reasoning, after countless drones, 5000 missiles, limitless airstrikes, 20 to 1 a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:44 AM
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The war in Iraq did not look like World War II and World War II did not look like the American revolution and so on. Over time technology changes warfare. A new war whether it’s World War III or anything else will be different than any of the past wars due to new technology. We don’t need as many people to go fight in person like the Romans did. We replace physical people in battle with technology whether that’s guns, tanks, night vision lenses, drones, or even ai robots. We can attack from afar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:16 AM
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Spare me the crocodile tears. This protest just comes off as tone deaf and lacking in self awareness after that vitriolic and angrily worded rant up above accusing me of being angry and insulting you for simply attempting to reassure you, on top of generalizing me and assuming what I would do in these ridiculous hypotheticals you make up for me like a child. If you don't want to be called a bitch, don't give bitch energy. I can feel the hostility and the animosity through the computer screen. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:01 AM
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Dude, that's fucked. You shouldn't be posting here of all places. You need to go to fucking therapy, or to church if you're religious, and I'm someone who doesn't usually recommend therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:09 AM
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OP needs help. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/gHWLznSuym
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:08 AM
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I see. That sounds a lot like what I would've done, except unlike you I wouldn't have even agreed to the cinema date to begin with. I would've lied and said I had other plans, and unlike you I'm capable of saying hi back, but imagine a very generic retail customer service hi. I don't turn away in shame, but I'm able to mask my feelings and express myself as if they weren't there. I will still however remove myself from the area whenever I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 11:19 PM
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Hmm interesting. Have you also purposefully isolated yourself from someone you liked until she was partnered with someone else, then at which point you "relax?" I used to do that a lot in high school too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:58 PM
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So what if the birth rate continues to decline? You're easier to be conquered. Low birth rates don't just hurt the workforce. It also hurts military force sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:55 PM
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I feel a strong need to go out of my way to avoid someone I find attractive, sometimes even relocating to an entirely different venue altogether. When you talk to them I specifically avoid even getting to this point. But in the very rare times it happens, I simply put on the most corporate and professional vibe possible, addressing her politely with "ma'am," and make the interaction as unengaging and generic as possible, before moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:51 PM
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You're arguing with a hysterical woman who, in a previous engagement we had, directly insulted military veterans by referring to everyone who serves in combat as a fool who dies for elites, and now she's here accusing Trump of being guilty of the very same thing she's guilty of. Don't give her more of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:45 PM
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So you expect a partner to leave you if you get into a car accident and get paralyzed from the hips down, or get stuck in a burning building and your dick gets destroyed? You're making my point about not having much of a relationship if it can't survive without sex. I can't imagine leaving a complete other person for no other reason than we aren't rubbing swollen parts and ejecting mucus from the body together.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:42 PM
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No I don't? People don't need to be having sex regularly, which is something both the incel crowd and the "sexual chemistry" audience get wrong. And neither do I think it's important or even essential for deep emotional connections.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:39 PM
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I wouldn't be with her in the first place if she doesn't share my values. And it's not torture. Nobody needs sex to survive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:43 PM
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I don't think you quite understand what I wrote. It's not Ace because I do experience normal sexual attraction and desire. Ace or asexual people are identified by the absence of those things. What I do is choose consciously not to act on it for moral, spiritual, and ideological reasons. This is completely different from someone who doesn't physiologically experience those things at all. Stoicism, at its core, is about acknowledging emotions and desires, but choosing to temper and limit them with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:33 PM
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I'm not asexual. I just reject the premise that a physiological reaction of the body should define the essence of a connection. I feel sexual desire, but I'm also an ironclad ascetic who believes in limiting personal desire. Therefore, my idea of a relationship not only includes waiting for marriage, but procreation sex only.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:55 PM
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I'm the kind of person who's not only waiting, but also doing procreation sex only. Apparently I'm incapable of a relationship according to the "sexual chemistry" crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:51 PM
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It's not a necessary component, or at least shouldn't be for a meaningful and deep connection. At best, it should be a bonus on an otherwise emotional and spiritual bond. We are not our bodies. Unless you think it's reasonable for spouses to leave each other if one gets paralyzed from the bottom down, sex isn't essential. There's also the fact many couples are in normal marriages without having sex. It's important to me to have that physical connection and to feel wanted in that way too though. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:45 PM
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I don't know about you, but I don't form emotional connections and raise kids with roommates, and if you do, then good for you, but I think you're fucking strange. You've got a shallow and warped idea of a relationship if the whole concept of a connection with another person to you is reducible to a physical expulsion of fluids from the body. Dead bedrooms are relationship killers. And why I say: relationships which cannot survive without sex are not much of a relationship at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:38 PM
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Maybe because unlike you, I prioritize an emotional connection to another person over an expulsion of body fluids in a relationship. Basing your whole idea of a relationship on sex is shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:27 PM
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Do whatever you want, but if sex is the only thing that distinguishes a romantic partner and a roommate to you, then you have a shallow idea of a relationship, and women in general. At best, sex is a bonus in a relationship. It's not even essential
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:16 PM
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Women are not cars, and sex isn't the purpose of a relationship. In fact, it's not much of a relationship at all if it can't survive without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 08:01 PM
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Wow. Such hostility. You're clearly a happy person. Yeah, you're right. On second thought, I retract my words. You're not a beautiful person, both inside and out. I'm done trying to reassure you. Have the day you deserve. Why should I train myself to be an arrogant stuck up bitch? You've done a good job of that already. I don’t know what kind of insecurity or belief that non-beautiful women anre worthless you are projecting on me, You said that. Not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 06:32 PM
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random people guess other men are secretly and unverifiably thinking inside their heads. It's for this reason you can't in good faith reason you're unattractive either precisely because you can't know what other people are thinking inside their heads. At best, you only have enough to deduce you're not the first choice of specifically men who approach. But to go from there to the conclusion you aren't an attractive woman is a self limiting mindset, because you're basing your perceived level of at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:03 PM
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enough for men not to approach. This isn't a reliable metric. Can't speak to your early life experiences, but I personally avoided every woman I was attracted to when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:03 PM
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NTA, but I don't want to be attracted to women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 07:59 AM
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Reading this depressing sub makes me wish I wasn't heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 06:57 AM
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I actually do like arguing this point though, regardless of whether I myself believe it, to get a rise out of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 05:26 AM
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For the men who do care, they only seem to care because they themselves have little to no experience. You say this like it's a bad thing. If you have little to no experience, there's nothing wrong with having a preference for someone who also has little to no experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 05:18 AM
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A pussy. Not ugly, not fat, fertile, virgin, not promiscuous, and not a total bitch, generally apologetic and accept blame easily, hourglass figure, wide hips, narrow waist, big boobs, ok face, long legs. Also I liked cooking and am fairly good at it. You're an attractive woman. There's a lot we disagree with intellectually and value wise, but nevertheless, an attractive woman by conventional standards. But, I am already plenty aware that most of those traits are worthless to a lot of the men he…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:07 AM
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You're 30 but live at home? It's a financially intelligent decision so long as you aren't freeloading, but a guy in your same situation at your age would be cooked. I've lived a variety of lives so I'm knowledgeable about nerd shit, literature, philosophy, gaming, martial arts, cooking, television, horses, gardening, music, and more. Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:06 AM
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I have no idea how adult introverts meet after college.) Pro tip: They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:01 AM
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Why do you feel this is the case? Do you think women seek to better themselves, or only men? Well, I can't help but notice whenever it's *men* who answer with I bring love, affection, and support. I am a partner in every sense of the word; emotionally, physically, and financially. I am diligent, hard-working, and loyal. usually it's not enough. In real life, I've observed a lot of instances, as in a lot, where women demand a lot more than those things from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:54 AM
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Because I prefer to be single rather than in a relationship? Lol okay dickhead. I'll happily be a "loser" by that definition then
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:51 AM
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You call staring a family , breeding women. Give me a direct quote where I said this. Otherwise you're making shit up once again. I love my spouse and they love me back. Good for you. I don't care. Romantic relationships aren't for everybody, and attacking people for making different life choices from you just makes you look like an insecure loser on top of an asshole. Some people do great in romantic relationships. Others are more independent and prefer a more free and liberal life. Marriage an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:31 AM
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Lol I love my job and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. And it's not up to you to tell me what does and doesn't matter in my life. That's what I mean by slave-morality. I live my life according to my standards. You live yours according to what other people decide for you. The sore lose is the one who created an acc to talk about relationships when he can’t even have one. I can smell the loveless and lonely life. I can also see it through your post history. A let down to your parents, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:11 AM
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If you don’t care about relationships or getting in one why waste your time living full time on a subs about relationships? Lmao once again, a coke head analogy still stands. I'm not posting on here full time just because some monkey-brained moron can't understand that I don't spend all of my time posting here just because that's all the activity my post history shows. You are also the one who tried acting like a victim after being called a virgin and took it as an insult like you aren’t one. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:55 AM
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I don't talk about relationships because I want one personally. I talk about them because it's an important topic in the context of broader society, particularly when men and women are struggling to relate to each other. That doesn't make me desperate or addicted. It means I have the ability to think and engage with something that doesn't affect me directly. Something you seemingly can't do. So emotional. As I said, you dish insults but want to cower down like a weak little scoundrel when you ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:32 AM
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I'm not "complaining." I'm calling a spade a spade, and directly accusing you of being an unsophisticated dumbfuck with a base and equally unsophisticated view of life which holds that having relationships and children is the ultimate measure of life success, or else you wouldn't be calling me a virgin like it's an insult. That, and you're an emotionally immature manchild, a spiritual eunuch entrapped in slave morality, and a toothless coward who hides behind bad faith and condescending rhetoric…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:18 AM
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I am not the one complaining about personal attacks and insults like a little bitch Lol yes you are. Go back and look at your embarrassing comments. You write like an offended sore loser whose feelings are hurt by words from an anonymous stranger on the internet so here you are trying to put on a tough guy act trying to compensate for small dick syndrome. Replying to comments you make on a public thread on the SAME thread I'm already commenting on isn't "stalking," poseur. You insisting it is su…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:51 AM
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No. I replied to comments you made on the same thread I commented on, then proceeded to lurk my profile like an obsessive loser to make personal attacks against me. No matter how you attempt to justify it, you come across as a childish and immature dweeb with obsessive personality disorder, or else you wouldn't be letting unknown strangers live in your head and get to your feelings like I clearly am getting to you, or else you wouldn't be wasting more of your time. Travel experiences , hobbies a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:23 AM
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Somehow I don't believe you've been to therapy, or else you would understand that codependence isn't healthy. Your sense of self and your happiness should come from within, from yourself, and not from other people. Again, a healthy relationship should add to an already complete life; not define it. Also, what exactly am I oversharing if two of those things naturally follow from the other? If I'm a virgin, then it logically follows I'm childless, and single. That's not oversharing if one directly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:00 AM
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I don't "hate" relationships lmao. Saying they're optional doesn't mean I hate them. It means I'm a healthy and well-adjusted adult who's not codependent and relies on other people for my happiness. 98% of what you yap about I don't post on this sub with the same account I post on other subreddits Sherlock, specifically to keep obsessive dweebs like you from stalking my IRL content like a dork. And whether you like it or not , relationships are an important aspect of life. No, they're really not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 07:09 AM
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I replied to comments you posted on the same thread. This is completely different from you combing through my profile to make personal attacks against me...because you're a terminally online plebbit-brained chucklefuck with nothing better to do with his time lmao. Loving relationships have more to offer than just sex I never said otherwise, but I suppose I should forgive you for thinking so considering your apparent lack of critical thinking skills and, once again, inability to engage with argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:34 AM
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You fit the societal definition of a loser. You fit my definition of a person who will die a loser. Ok? Well I don't live my life according to your or society's standards do I? I live according to my standards, and have enough balls to not measure myself according to other peoples' standards imposed on me. Life is more than just sexual relationships, and it's quite sad and pathetic you think that's the ultimate metric to measure someone by. "Virgin" isn't an insult lmao. There's nothing wrong wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:12 AM
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I had the suspicion that you are a loser but I had to check the history to make sure. Uh huh. Definitely not because I live rent free inside your head like every other terminally online plebbit-brained moron lets me do. No sir-ee! I'm Quadrilingual and have been to over 10 countries overall and am probably familiar with more cultures past and present than you. If this fits your definition of a "loser," then I have no interest in winning whatever worthless game you're playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:00 AM
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I love how your life is so uneventful and boring that I live rent-free inside your numbskull of a head to the point you had to comb through my profile and respond to this comment. This year alone I've been to four different countries and am living my best life. What are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:50 AM
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Same observation here. I'm a 15% bodyfat dude with a six pack and a defined chest, but with my shirt on I become an ordinary dude. Being ripped hasn't helped me in the dating market AT ALL.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:57 PM
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I see. I'm around 15-18% bodyfat so my muscle mass is around 145 lbs. Try to figure out your own figures and work around that. I'm in a similar boat as you and plateued my 1 RP max, so I'm doing hypertrophy right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:45 PM
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My peak was 220. How much do you weigh? I'm 5'7 and 170 lbs so that's around 1.3x my bodyweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:40 PM
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There seems to be a warped perception among many men who post here, myself included, that being told "nobody owes you a relationship," or "you aren't entitled to a relationship" to meaning "you'll never have a romantic relationship/sex." I think it has to do with negative self image and internal self-criticism, because the way that makes the most sense is if you believe you have otherwise nothing of value to offer a lady for her to choose you, so if you aren't entitled to a woman you quite liter…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:34 PM
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I'm a dude who's been socially isolated enough to develop autistic traits without actually being autistic. I've consigned myself into the reality it's been over a long time ago, when I was in high school. Life as an adult has all but verified I was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:10 PM
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I'm just saying, the people bringing it up have a point. One of my coworkers found out last year his grandfather isn't really his grandfather, because his grandmother cheated and didn't tell anybody until she was on her death bed and was moments away from death. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:05 PM
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You can still engage with ideas in the abstract even when they don't concern you directly. A lot of men who argue in favor of paternity tests for example believe rightfully that men should not be unknowingly raising kids that aren't their own biologically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:00 PM
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No modifications needed! You can just pick up a commercial side rail mount like one of these and simply slide it onto the rifle. If you look at the left side of the receiver, that rail looking thing, that's what it's for. Then you can choose whichever optic you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:57 PM
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Who said I only wanted sex? I'm saying I want to be valued independently of external accomplishments, and if I can't have that, then I'd rather just be single
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:12 PM
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I'm not interested in someone who only values me when I have a job. I'm interested in someone who's willing to grow with me. And sure, there's an argument to be made for giving up completely on relationships once I'm settled and just seeing sex workers. I'd rather do that than settle with someone who's only going to conditionally value me based on external achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:01 PM
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I genuinely hope they got nasrallah so that someone else with balls can finally retaliate and level Tel Aviv with this supposed missile arsenal I've been hearing about so much. This is where "strategic patience" against an enemy trying to win gets you: six feet under. If Israel wants war, they should get it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:46 PM
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You don't have to be directly involved with something to have an opinion on it. In fact, suggesting that indicates an unsophisticated mind
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:21 PM
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Personally, I'd dress and drive a car that suggests I make a lot less than I do, and purposefully keep around things from my retail jobs in my car and living space when I go on dates. And if they ask what I do for a living, I'll just say, "I'm not comfortable discussing my employment background yet, because I don't know you yet, and I don't consider that an important part of my identity. I'd rather us both focus on getting to know each other."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:16 PM
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Go three comments up and it's the opposite situation. Many men are upset they're only conditionally valued according to external career milestones before they're considered. I myself plan to lie about my employment status once I'm fully established.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:13 PM
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I was actually trying to subtly troll by essentially describing a neighborhood friend but labeling it a relationship partner, only nobody took the bait. Of course I'm not being serious. I'm probably the biggest anti-individualist on this whole sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:41 AM
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A gold digger can also mean someone who dates people according to their job title, or earning potential, rather than the money he has directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:18 AM
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Many men receive attention from women only after they get good jobs. What else is he supposed to think if 3 months is enough to go from invisible to getting attention, and the only thing that changed was employment status?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:09 AM
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What's wrong with being a "kissless virgin?" If sex isn't actually a need like how this sub loves to bleat on about, why is being a virgin a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:07 AM
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Deal with it. A lot of people are. Peace in solidarity is preferable to dealing with people with your attitude. "Pretty" doesn't make up for an insufferable personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:59 AM
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My coworker found out last year his grandfather wasn't his real biological grandfather because his grandmother cheated. Unfortunately, they only found out when grandma was days away from death. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 08:11 AM
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said to watch Hallmark movies and travel. Just lmao. If anything, women outside of the west even better fit redpill talking tropes. If you actually want to see hypergamy in action and mercenary breeding behavior, look no further than Asia. I just got back from Korea, and there you actually are judged according to your income, and if anything women there cheat more than in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 08:05 AM
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As a dude with a six pack, I'd say half of it is genetic. I only maintain it year round with ease because I naturally have high metabolism and shed off fat very fast. On top of an active lifestyle and lifting weights, it's easy for my muscles to show. I recognize though that not all men have that privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:53 AM
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There is. Learning how to accept your circumstances and to acknowledge reality that's outside of your control is a basic cornerstone of stoicism. The way you tell men who are either unattractive or can't develop the wit or charm to attract women is to accept it's beyond their control and to live the best life they can despite it. "Just give up" is how you say it impolitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 12:24 AM
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After reading the comments, what the fuck are late bloomer men supposed to do then? I was told all my life I should be holding out until I'm fully financially stable and independent before I begin dating and looking for a life partner, which is how I got to 27 without dating. But now it feels like I'm around much less women I find attractive compared to when I was 18, and the ones I do find attractive are already partnered up. Realistically I won't be ready for kids until I'm 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:39 PM
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There's no way to screen for it after you've become stable and settle. This is why a number of well off friends of mine stay single and just see sex workers. If they're going to be in a transactional relationship with women who conditionally valued them based on their income, better to do it explicitly in an arrangement where that's a clearly delineated expectation from the get go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:13 PM
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Most men would rather stay single than be pursued for their wealth or stability for the same reason many women feel likewise if they're valued for youth and their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:11 PM
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That's the plan. I'd rather stay single than approach women, because I think it's a glorified humiliation ritual. Most men are willing to degrade themselves for a half assed relationship for sex. Personally, I see that as a form of weakness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:59 PM
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I think two separate houses within ten minutes of walking distance to each other is optimal. Whenever you want to spend time together, you can walk down and sit and hang out for like 30 minutes before returning home to your office or to be back in your own personal space. I think a healthy relationship should involve treating each other as separate people. You should be together because you like spending time together, but then you should also have your own time outside of together time, like an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:46 PM
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Parents will absolutely make other lives worse if it makes their children's lives better, because they are only concerned with their children, not all children I know. This is how I want society to be run. I too don't care about all children. I care about children who are nationals of the same society and who live local to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:39 PM
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A parent is a lot more invested than the childless in the future outcomes of society for the simple reason that their children and grandchildren are going to have to live in it. Childless people have the neutrality to do what's best for everyone. And that's exactly the problem. Society SHOULD be governed more selfishly. We need more local and regional nationalism, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:03 PM
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There's very much a logic to it. If you don't have kids, you shouldn't be able to vote. Only people who have genetically invested into the future of society should have any legal vote into what happens in the future. It is a civic duty to repopulate the society you belong to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:47 PM
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I am literally telling you I believe the childless shouldn't be able to vote. Might also want to check my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:43 PM
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It is literally one of the most basic forms of social participation there is. So much so in fact you used to not even be allowed to vote unless you had children. In fact, I'm in favor of similar laws being reinstated
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:35 PM
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I am not exaggerating when I say I would rather press my face on a hot iron plate than to cold or warm approach a woman. It is literally more dignified to me to disfigure myself like that than to participate in a glorified humiliation ritual for the sake of some pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:25 PM
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AKs have a bit more of a kick to them than ARs. If it's a normal WASR-10 with a slant muzzle brake too, then the muzzle will actually want to go down rather than up. Just make sure the front sight is aligned flush with the rear, then squeeze the trigger until it goes off. Don't jerk the trigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:55 PM
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Even if you do believe women do the exact same thing at the same rate as men(which they dont) that doesn't change the fact that men still use women for sex and aren't honest about their intentions. ...again, what the fuck does this have to do with who should be initiating and approaching?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:51 PM
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They're solid defense rifles as well as sport shooters. If you're going to seriously entrust your life to it though, consider getting an optic. There are many side mounted rail options available. They work fine with red dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:08 PM
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I've got a WASR 10-63. They're mostly the same rifle, but mine is made from military Pm 63 parts, hence the 63 designation. They're solid Romanian AKs for the most part. I imagine yours is a new production though? How are the sights? Not canted I hope? I used to shoot Russian ammunition exclusively through mine but unfortunately due to sanctions they're around .60 a shot now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:07 PM
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If a test is that important to you, just bring it up before you have kids. In fact, bring it up before you get married. The both of you will be on the same page, and if it's a deal breaker for either side, you're free to leave. A woman who feels offended by a paternity test would have the option to leave, and a man who wants it shouldn't be with a woman not willing to give him one either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:02 PM
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Fellow AK appreciator here? Is it a US made AK or an import?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:37 AM
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And asking her for a paternity test can be a part of the vetting process to determine whether she's a trustworthy partner before you get her pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:59 AM
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That's a lot of mental gymnastics from many premises which do not logically follow from each other. It does not logically follow from men not rejecting women they like that it's better for women to be passive. When the woman is the one to approach that shows that the woman wants the man more than the man wants the woman and gives the man the opportunity to take advantage of that dynamic. How in the world does this make sense? The same is true if a man is the one doing the approaching. So what do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:50 AM
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Poor guys. Adapt or suffer. This is the kind of attitude I should only have for finding a job. Not a romantic partner. If I have to "adapt or suffer," it's better to just stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:44 AM
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Poor guys. Adapt or suffer. This is the kind of attitude I should only have for finding a job. Not a romantic partner. If I have to "adapt or suffer," it's better to just stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:44 AM
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In my opinion they actually get better results. Not universally true for all women. They get access to the guys who approach them, which is different from the one who's necessarily the best partner for her. There's no guarantee that her most compatible partner exists in the pool of men who actually approached her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:38 AM
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Because if I wanted to engage with AI instead of you, I'd engage directly with AI and cut the middle man out. If your thoughts and opinions you share aren't your own, you aren't genuinely engaging with the prompt. In a debate sub no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:32 AM
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You should include up to date science on love in your worldview. You have a very confused and backwards approach towards love because your insistence for more science is an epistemological error. Science is a naturalistic discipline based on empiricism and the ability to recreate outcomes through careful experimentation and observation. It's useful for making deductions and observations of the natural world as it exists, but has no mechanisms for observing more complex or abstract ideas because …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:30 AM
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Why does almost every single top level comment you make read like it's AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:22 AM
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You're making his point. When society is made up of people who put individual fun over social commitments, you don't live in a healthy society. And as a guy who travels, people who make a hobby out of traveling are some of the most insufferable people to come across.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:18 AM
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I've read the definition you posted a few times, and all I got out of it was you can't read. That's not what he's doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:25 PM
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Buddha is still not advocating for homelessness and drugs and alcohol. Monastic Buddhists, monks, and sages renounce all worldly possessions to live a detached life. Yes, this includes homes. Yes they don't do drugs either, because the whole point is to renounce pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:16 PM
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The overwhelming majority of men who have ever lived were religious, and the entirety of modern civilization as we know it was founded on religious foundations, going all the way back to ancient Greece and Rome in the west. Even secular humanism borrows metaphysics from Christianity, such as the belief that the human essence is naturally moral or valuable. You're not doing yourself a favor by pretending as if the religious proclivity towards sex is exactly marginal, especially when many secular …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:14 PM
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Purity culture is universally observed across every major world religion and culture includes those which have never interacted with each other. Outside of Christianity, it exists in India, Japan, Korea, the Middle East, and pretty much every civilization building culture. Men absolutely do care, or else that would not be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:04 PM
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Maybe you should broaden your horizons outside of pop culture and Hollywood. There's literally an entire religion around living minimally, self denial, and limiting or even avoiding pleasure. In fact, it happens to be the largest and most influential religion in Asia. The Buddha literally said the quickest way to find happiness is to own nothing and want nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:01 PM
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Good for you. I was obviously answering the question in a general sense of why men would care, which you didn't seem to pick up on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:56 PM
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Presentism bias is a weak form of argumentation and demonstrates a lack of sophistication. Greek and Roman philosophy is as relevant today as when their ideas were written.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:55 PM
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then explain how given the society we live in, this is an unhealthy response? No that's what I mean. This is a coping mechanism and how the brain deals with mental trauma much like how the body heals a wound. It's very much expected given the piece of shit mouse utopia clown world we live in, but calling it "healthy" implies it's how a healthy person in an otherwise normal environment is supposed to think. You're not supposed to look at someone saying "women are unnecessary and unimportant in li…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:53 PM
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Why would my partner be so concerned about some guy from 15 years before we met. Or the guy 3 years before we met. Maybe he has a different and incompatible view of sex and sexuality as you, and sees it as something that should be more exclusive than how you see it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:47 PM
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Being promiscuous in the past doesn’t take away from the current relationship. It absolutely does because for many people promiscuity is a basic value incompatibility. If sex is morally illegitimate outside of marriage to someone, then nobody who has had prior partners is compatible with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:46 PM
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This is bad faith argumentation. The first statement does not follow, and the second ignores that purity culture is a universal phenomenon observed across cultures which have never interacted with each other. If it was so unnatural, it wouldn't be a common preference shared by Romans, Greeks, Europeans, Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and basically every major world culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:44 PM
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Nobody looks at a homeless couple and goes, "aw they aren't married and so in love". May I introduce you to Diogenes of Sinope
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:36 PM
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In the liberal individualist west, yes it's considered healthy. Otherwise, it's a coping mechanism to heal the trauma of how inhuman the entire western psyche is. In a morally healthy and sane society, the average person has his emotional and sexual needs met by others in a cohesive and tightly knit community. There is no "if I can't have it, I didn't need it anyways." That's called social atomism, which is the opposite of healthy. And it's clear you have this brain rot too, because I literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:20 PM
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If you think god's love is conditional, you don't understand Christianity lol. It is impossible for the love of an omnipotent god, who is the creator of all things, the origin of all energy, and who animates all of the laws of nature and physics, to be conditional. If you claim god's love is conditional, you imply he could ever unlove something he creates, and therefore imply he is flawed, which is heresy. God loves all that exists unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:02 PM
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Because they don't want to be conditionally accepted based on their money. End of story. Why are you insisting on making it more complicated than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 09:35 PM
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That's the thing though. I do want unconditional love. But the only person who I know is going to give it is myself, and god. Therefore, nothing else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:12 PM
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You either find someone who's going to love you the way you want, or you find contentment with being celibate. There's nothing more to it. I know I'm going to love myself the way I want. Nothing else really matters. Women are pretty optional in life these days anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:06 PM
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If anything, having a degree is a better measure of neuroticism than actual intelligence. Plenty of people smarter than those with PhDs without having one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 05:58 PM
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But I thought people wanted my diamond sword?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 05:47 PM
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This is the sixth country I've visited outside of the US. In fact I've been doing a lot of traveling lately as I'm here after my summer study in the Caucasus just two months ago. Interestingly for all of the content and criticisms people have of late capitalism and gender relations in the west online, which are very valid, it's actually in Asia where the extremes of those things are most visible. There's actually strong social pressure in Korea and Japan to get married and settle from traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:24 AM
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You are a clearly oblivious woman who lacks the foresight to reread your own comment to realize you just put a price tag on human relationships and talk like a shallow gold digger because you keep saying men who aren't sole providers "give nothing" as if nothing matters to you outside of material things. Like I said, you literally directly measure how much a person is devoted to you based on what he gives you. The rest of that nonsense is refuted by the simple reality that the overwhelming major…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 10:01 PM
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I have heard that in East Asian cultures, it is expected for the man to own a house for him to be considered marriageable— but that’s not a cultural expectation that’s relevant in the US anymore, and hasn’t been for quite a while. In the US, most women don’t expect, or want, to be 100% kept dependents of their men. From what I see it's still relevant here among Korean boomers but you nevertheless see young couples. Just earlier today on the train I saw a few conscripts with their girlfriends. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 01:54 PM
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Someone within 5-8 years of his age at roughly the same attraction level?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:34 AM
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How is a man providing for his wife a “transactional relationship" Because you see romantic relationships as an exchange of value, and not unconditional, and you deny that love exists in a meaningful way outside of traditional male provider relationships to the point you directly measure the devotion and the value that a man offers to a woman according to purely external factors and material things. You quite literally deny that men offer meaningful value to women ignoring money, and think men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:06 AM
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To that I reply: you want multiple kids as a man, why did you wait until you were in your mid 30s to seek out a woman in her early twenties? I answered this in another reply but basically no guy I know in his twenties is ready to provide for children financially because they're stuck paying rent and student loans while working jobs going nowhere. It takes a lot of people until 35-40 today to do what boomers did at 19. I know that sole provider man isn't the universal expectation anymore, but thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:49 AM
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Quite a big ask in today's economy. No guy I know in his twenties is ready to provide for children financially. They're still stuck paying rent working dead end jobs and repaying student loans like everyone else. The whole reason the whole trope of guys waiting until their mid thirties to forties to start settling exists is because it takes men in this economy to wait to 35-45 to do what boomers did at 19. It's ridiculous. Capitalism is literally at odds with human biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:42 AM
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Aren't you the same woman who spent two days arguing in favor of transactional relationships because you feel men don't deserve love from their looks match until they could provide? Well, that's how you get men waiting until they're 45 before they're ready to date seriously. Some people really do take that long before they can be providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 09:54 PM
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The appeal to nature argument feels so shallow because we can’t untangle the behavioral associations that we culturally assign to different age groups. It's more so about the fact that if you want three or more kids entirely naturally, or without the use of fertility aids and treatments, then you have literally no choice but to have a preference in dating women in their twenties. Personally, if I'm not interested in children, then it's less of a factor as long as the older woman is still physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 08:48 PM
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They're mentally broken, live in a society that is apathetic and doesn't care about them, doesn't encourage any form of healthy social communication, no forms of help and care for them in nearly the same ways as we have given to women, and they've internalized that as normal after basically living without any support networks for most of their adult lives. They're broken, many of them beyond repair. Truthfully I think you trying to extend a helping hand proves a genuinely good intent, but you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 08:43 PM
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but maybe should’ve thought of that 10 yrs ago when he was a lot more likely to be able to get a woman who’s still fertile. That's stretching it lol. If a guy is trying to get women in his twenties to have kids with while in his 40s, he was probably a complete loser in his twenties and even thirties. Plenty of young twenties men who have no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:24 AM
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You'll need money for the 45 year old woman too. Might as well go for the more attractive one. Also, if your choice is between a 28 year old or a 45 year old, the 28 year old is the only choice if you want at least two kids and don't want to use fertility aids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:51 AM
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20-24 is about the sweet spot for physical attractiveness physically speaking. I think pointing to teenagers specifically for age gap relationships is a distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:49 AM
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Why are you trying to convince me to vote Trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:20 PM
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we need to maintain American hegemony Why? I personally can't wait for multipolarity, and for liberal-democracy being denormalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:19 PM
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...what the fuck are you talking about? How is it a weird conclusion that women are not a hivemind, and people are looking over proof of that in their faces, when it's happening right here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:17 PM
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A lot of people need to see or know someone being beaten to death, or close to it, before they actually start to take these things seriously. You don't even have to leave the "west" to see places like that either. East St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and certain neighborhoods in Miami are rough. My sister used to hear gunfire almost every night when she dormed at University.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 04:10 AM
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It is perfectly possible to work for yourself and to care for your own health without benefitting society at all. That's the distinction. I can be a jacked cybercriminal, or live in a log cabin in the middle of the woods and not own money, while still spending the time and effort to look after my health and well-being, except I'm not defining my self worth based on my utility to "society."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:59 AM
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Well, to answer the question, it's because it does nothing for me. Who knows? Maybe it could be an advantage, but 5 times zero is still zero. Besides. I look like an ordinary dude if I wear a jacket anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:42 AM
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The woman above you: Most women will see a man wanting her to pay for half the date and think to herself if I’m going to pay for my own meal/coffee/ticket then why not just go alone or with actual friends and not be trapped with a stranger who is going to try to touch me to “break the touch barrier” in an attempt to get laid. It’s more stressful and less enjoyable going out with some strange man so if the woman is paying why have a subpar experience? You: this comment. It's like the evidence wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:41 AM
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Why are you so blackpilled about your weight if you've pulled before? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:39 AM
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It's almost like men and women are (generally) attracted to these things in the opposite sex, haha. I am not sure what we are all supposed to do with this information, because the gender roles are not going away, and men being attracted to femininity and women being attracted to masculine competence is not going away. Honestly, if you're someone who complains about this, don't play the game if you don't like the rules. I found that works for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:37 AM
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You're interacting with a demographic of men who genuinely do want to be told it's over for them, there's nothing they can do, and how to cope with their misery. Everyone's reasons are different, but that's the general pattern. You're a woman offering empathy, but you're not a therapist. Know your limitations. A lot of guys here are so mentally broken they need a trained professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:43 PM
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The ancient Greeks had multiple concepts of love, such as agape (unconditional love), eros (romantic/erotic love), philia (friendship), and storge (familial love). While self-sacrifice may play a role in certain relationships (e.g., friendship or familial bonds), it wasn't a universally prescribed element of love in Greek thought. Love existed on a hierarchy to the Greeks. Eros was seen as the most base and primitive form of love precisely because it's irrational and fleeting, and to the Greeks,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:16 PM
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You just defined it that way? Where do you get that from? Who subscribes to that definition? What is the point of wanting to die for something? Why would that be love? Who would that serve? The loved one? It's not my definition. Love being self sacrificing has been an idea which has existed since the ancient Greeks. Plato defines love as being the pursuit and attainment of the good and the beautiful. This was not a subjectively defined and and individually held notion of good but rather an objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:29 PM
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Only unconditional love would guarantee to never be left. But that is a fantasy, held up by people who can't take abandonment. Your worldview only makes sense from a uniquely secular and individualist worldview. Love is inherently self sacrificing by definition, or else it's not love. It should require you to want to die for something, and isn't defined in any exchanges of value. On the other end, seeing all relationships as transactional is a typical sign of autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:04 PM
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You have to apply stoicism to your life; perhaps you would be less anger at the world. You have a very interesting and unconventional idea of what stoicism means because it's actually through understanding and applying stoicism, as it was originally presented by the ancient Greeks and Romans, that I was able to learn how to let go and "give up," so to speak. Stoicism teaches that a meaningful life is one lived according to virtue, that chasing fleeting pleasures is a distraction from virtue, emp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:01 AM
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Not as old as you. I'm 27, but I'll get past the 30 marker one day. I feel like what many call "giving up" is less so a one and done thing as much as it is a decision you constantly come back to and make again. Honestly, when you reframe your mind to look at it as something that was never available to you to begin with, the process of accepting it and moving on becomes a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:39 AM
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Not as old as you. I'm 27, but I'll get past the 30 marker one day. I feel like what many call "giving up" is less so a one and done thing as much as it is a decision you constantly come back to and make again. Honestly, when you reframe your mind to look at it as something that was never available to you to begin with, the process of accepting it and moving on becomes a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:39 AM
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I'm not going to be a jackass and deny you your experiences, and truth be told it sounds like you went through a lot before 18 which makes sense for you maturing faster than most of your peers, but the fact of the matter is how attractive you are is a complex interplay of many different factors encompassing your looks, your personality, the things you believe, where you physically exist, your income, blah blah blah. It sounds like you had a significant glow up since you were in school, and I'm g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:33 AM
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being able to tell the future. You don't need a crystal ball to know you'll never own a Yacht. I mean I guess there's the 0.0001% probability you'll win the lottery, but holding off on improbable odds is an incredibly poor use of one's time and energy. If you know you're not attractive enough to find a suitable partner, then it's wiser to be stoic about it and accept it, so you can refocus your energy on yourself and other more productive things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:34 PM
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Right, so maybe instead of questioning his life decisions, you could open your mind to the possibility, even if improbable, he could have been a hyper self aware teenager who knew what he wanted wasn't realistic for him to get, or was beyond his means, and therefore he gave up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:30 PM
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Do you not think you have grown in both life experience and maturity, as well as attractiveness, since age 16? On the flip side, some people mature abnormally fast and at 16 are considerably more mature than their peers and know that they want out of life, and have stuck by it ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:05 PM
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Relationships are transactional. Maybe he's not like you and doesn't want to be in a transactional relationship and that's why he's giving up?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:24 PM
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Put it this way: it would be nice to be in a healthy relationship, just as it would be nice to live in a mansion, drive a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, own a Yacht, have a billion dollars, or fly on private jets. Yet no matter how much I want those things, I will never be able to will it into reality, and relationships are no different because you can't control whether other people are attracted to you or not. So if the reality is nobody is interested in you, there really is no other option other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 08:08 PM
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Zero times in over twenty years teaches you to appreciate love, especially when your hand can get you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:54 AM
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Chances are you're more attractive than you say you are and you're just underselling yourself. Most of the dudes here, me included, are probably just going to be seen as annoying pricks if we cold approached. Not saying that to be a doomer, but just pragmatic. You need to pass a certain looks threshold to pull it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:48 AM
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It only works if you're an attractive man that women are receptive to being approached from. If you know you're not that attractive, it's a waste of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:19 AM
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I deleted it because I hesitated in the moment and thought discussing her opinion with a third party felt like brigading, but in hindsight the points being discussed were relevant so I should have left it up. Basically I saw you disagreeing with the OP from a provider woman's perspective and thought that was interesting and wanted to chime in. Outside of PPD and terminally online brain rot history genuinely is one of my passions, so much so that I invest a lot into immersive learning in fact, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:59 PM
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I've yet to hear an explanation for why that doesn't involve slut shaming or massive insecurity. I mean the most obvious example is if you're religious and it's literally mandatory for you to be a virgin, and to marry a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:33 AM
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You don't. By my age most women expect a man who's had one or two relationships already. You're "behind" if you're a virgin or never had a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:21 AM
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No. The term “provided for” implies she was sheltered and didn’t have to work and that her hard labor contributed nothing to the survival of the family. That her husband didn’t rely on her labor too. That’s ahistorical nonsense— in farming families, she woman’s work provided al their food and clothing to survive the winter. She provided them processed and preserved food, harvested food for the family, made cloth to keep them warm, made soap to clean. Her husband did vital work too, absolutely… b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:18 PM
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How the fuck did we get to talking about global fertility rates from "porn misogynistic?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:46 AM
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Just because something is not 100 doesn't mean it's 0. I think not caring about money at all is the opposite extreme. I'm arguing with a woman who thinks we should all go back to male provider tradcon marriages and says men who aren't primary providers don't love their partners. So I figured I'd just ask how other women feel about it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 12:02 AM
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Yea but women are the shallow ones? You want cheap casual sex. Well nothing is casual or cheap about sex FOR WOMEN. Get it??? I'm not accusing women as an entire gender of being shallow. I'm accusing you, as a specific individual woman, of being shallow and materialistic. Reread your own comment. Only one of us here is talking about relationships in terms of "costs, benefits, and market value." These are literally econometric ways of looking at human relationships which only goes to show the tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:52 PM
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A man brings emotional support A woman brings emotional support A man brings companionship A woman bring companionship A man brings earnings A woman brings earnings So are men bringing value or are they not? Make up your mind. Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall because all you've done over the past 24 hours is repeat the same nonsense I've already refuted while providing no counter argument of your own, while simultaneously doubling down on a shallow and transactional view of hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:10 PM
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That’s not true this conversation simply is not about those other things. Because men still do the emotional stuff what’s increasingly missing is the provision. If you think men not providing is the main reason why modern relationships fail, you either have a superficial or simplistic understanding of human relationships, or you legitimately spend way too much time lurking redpill forums and manosphere communities. Your assumptions are literally exactly the same. The only thing you disagree on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:38 PM
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How long did it take you to learn this and how have you applied this knowledge in your life? Probably well over 10 years. And it's leading to a PPL and a career. But honestly? I think the idea that hobbies necessarily need to have utilitarian value is ridiculous. They're things you do for their own sake just because they're fun. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:32 AM
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Honestly I just spend time here to pass boredom and to argue for its own sake. I used to lament being single and not being valued authentically for my person instead of standards imposed on me by society, but I've since learned to be stoic about it and accept it's not something I can control, and I will very likely end up celibate as a permanent lifestyle. Therefore I'm not personally too invested in the specifics of conversations we have on here, but discussing dating topics still fascinates me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:18 AM
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And sir emotional connections don’t keep the lights on the belly full or the roof over head. A woman needs a man to provide if she is going to have sex with him and have kids with him. That’s that. No one is saying don’t have emotions, laugh, cry, support each other etc.. but providing is also part of the package. It's 2024, not 1924. Women don't "need" a man to provide, and neither do men "need" a woman to have kids with. Providing resources is every adult's responsibility, and not just one or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:09 AM
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The reason I was asking was because of this thread. OP shares her opinion on what's wrong with dating and relationships, and in her opinion, she blames men not being sole providers for their dating woes, and argues a man has to be capable of fully providing for a stay at home mom to attract a "looksmatch." Guess I'm not dating until I'm 35 by her reasoning. :/ (or even at all because honestly to me the idea of only being conditionally valued according to my physical possessions and what I provid…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:27 AM
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The only thing sex should "cost" if you're not specifically making a baby is consent, protection, and the both of you getting screened for STDs. It's absolutely mind baffling to me how you consistently deny being shallow yet you literally can't come up with a single thing a man can contribute to a healthy relationship that's not money. You literally overemphasize material things over emotional connection, personal compatibility, loyalty, shared values, two people spending time together and growi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:59 AM
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Either that or he mainly did volume work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:26 AM
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Are women actually looking for a provider man when they vet for a long term partner? Or is that post from that woman her speaking only for herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:20 AM
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No this is like saying if a woman can get a guy for sex she can get him to be her provider husband. A man can get her in bed with cash, with gifts, with alcohol etc.. to KEEP her from going off with someone else tomorrow when the opportunity pops up he needs to provide and she can’t be way hotter than him. That’s the formula. Find your looks-match and be a provider I’m not saying it’s fool proof but it’s your best bet at a functional and happy relationship. Lmaaaaao so the "formula" is looks and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:58 AM
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It’s crazy talk. Lady, you literally can't point to a *single* other thing a man can "bring to the table" that's not money. You're making his point about being a gold digger. Most women aren't looking for a provider. They're looking for an equal. They're looking to spend time with another **human being** they want to be around for his personality, their chemistry, and a strong foundation of mutual physical and emotional attraction. Unless you're dating over 30, nobody goes into a relationship wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:54 AM
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(part 2) Um men providing is not an American 1950s thing it’s pretty universal so much so some societies don’t even allow women to work. Reread what I wrote. I said men being *sole providers* is a 1950s thing. Women worked prior to the 50s contrary to popular belief. I literally already gave you examples of how. Women raised livestock, they tailored and made clothing, they sold goods and products, they grew and harvested crops, they worked in factories, they baked, performed healthcare services,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:48 AM
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It's difficult for me to take you seriously when you don't refute any of the points I made in substance and simply contradict what I say while reaffirming your position. You say you're not materialistic, yet you can't even identify any positive value a man contributes to a woman in a relationship beyond money and how he materially affects her way of life. You're literally measuring a man's level of involvement, value, and investment in a relationship according to dollars and cents while denying …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:47 AM
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If she enjoys my hugs and hugs me back as often as I would her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:58 AM
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My understanding is that for men, a woman they'd have casual sex with is fuckable but not dateable. As a woman who has had casual sex (currently married), I view it the same way. That's a very generalized way of looking at relationships. Plenty of people both here and offline share that they met their long term partners the same way they met any of their other casual partners. Plenty of people married their hookups after they established chemistry after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:16 PM
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There's a thread right now posted by a woman who is attempting to argue it's a prerequisite that a man be stable, established, and capable of being a sole provider to attract a woman as attractive as him. So I figured I'd ask around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:50 PM
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The way marriage works between a man and woman is they bring each other their unique contribution in accordance to their sex. A man can provide (he is more capable to work) a woman can make a baby (obviously men can’t do that). So that’s the core of the exchange if we try to date like sex doesn’t matter it doesn’t work. I already explained in a previous comment why this idea is outdated. I think it's very convenient you ignored it. Also again, very telling you think the "core" of a healthy relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:04 PM
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Most men and women date their looks match when they're in high school or college when neither has a well providing job. This is just a bunch of garbled nonsense to disguise the fact you value men for what they provide to you like a classical gold digger, as evidenced by this line right here: They think a life long sexually exclusive attractive woman is worth their dick and them paying half the bills. Can't help but notice no mention of emotional investment, sexual compatibility, shared values, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 05:13 PM
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Q2W: Does a man need to be a stable single provider to get his "looks match" in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:45 PM
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Interestingly enforced monogamy was one of Emperor Augustus' reforms for fixing marriage life in Rome.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:35 PM
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See my other comment. You have a very shallow and materialistic view of how you can determine how involved a man is based on outdated economic realities that don't even exist anymore. Provider men made sense in a world where women couldn't physically participate in the majority of the labors that could provide for a family, or even own land. It makes less sense in a world men and women have the same economic opportunities and productivity and it takes both of them a significant period of their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:16 PM
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It's very telling that you think a man's level of investment in a relationship is directly measurable by the dollar count and specific lifestyle he provides her and how you emphasize materialistic metrics more heavily than things like companionship, emotional investment, and simply spending time with another living, breathing, person you're attracted to and want to be around. Many men date for reasons beyond casual sex, and value emotional and physical commitment from women over casual flings an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:01 PM
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You're asking for men to essentially put off dating and getting relationship experience until their late twenties or thirties for entirely superficial or materialistic reasons like money in a world it takes you a fourth to a third of your life to get invested and stable in a good career. You're not doing anything but entertaining the same beliefs that lead some dudes to think they should put off dating until they got career/house/car/benefits/401k/blah blah blah checked. That’s what a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:31 PM
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I'd need exceedingly good luck finding a doctor who would go through with the procedure for non criminal reasons. The only way I know to get a chemical castration procedure is to commit a sex crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:27 PM
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This is also why men find it easier to date in that age range. If she wouldn't date you until you had your job, she isn't in love with you. It's what you provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:08 PM
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If you're religious out of genuine belief though, it's not worth it to compromise on those things for the sake of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:38 PM
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There is quite literally nothing a woman needs to find a man for apart from sex
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:53 AM
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What of companionship, intelligence, security, sex and love? Besides sex, these are all things you can find outside of a romantic connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:42 AM
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There are inherent limitations to flight sims such as the inability of a desktop platform to simulate movement in a way your body can physically interact with it like it could a real plane. Modern flight simulators are good for procedural and IFR training but for anything else you need to be in the cockpit for sure. Nevertheless you still learn a lot of technical information about how real life aircraft operate, such as electrical and hydraulic systems especially if you simulate failures. World …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:52 AM
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You're responding to one of the most bad faith commentators on this entire godforsaken subreddit. Don't waste more of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:40 AM
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Some guys drew the short straw in life and have no real hope of becoming above-average This probably better represents the hypothetical son being discussed in the OP because we *are* talking about a 25 year old virgin, presumably. So the question is what advice would you give him?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:39 AM
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You expect people to be normal with *that* negative of a self-image and perception of your dating odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:37 AM
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He is statistically most likely to end up with an average woman because, by very definition, most women are average. If hypothetically tomorrow every woman became physically an instagram model with a PhD, that would simply become the new average and "above average" would shift even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:28 AM
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I've learned a lot more technical information playing flight simulators, sub simulators, and tank simulators than I ever have sitting in a classroom, and all three technically fall under the umbrella of "video games." You even have to read flight manuals or use trigonometry to play them, especially in the case of naval combat sims where you need to use real navigation techniques like dead-reckoning and using an astrolabe and compass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:26 AM
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I'll tell him average isn't good enough. Straight from the horse's mouth in case anyone else keeps bleating "average men get with average women."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:16 AM
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Most parents have a hands off approach when it comes to their children's dating life. Although in my case, my parents actively discouraged me from pursuing romantic connections in high school because they're more traditional and at that age they strongly believed my main (read: exclusive) priority should be my grades. But overall, I feel like a lot of parents, especially parents of young boys, are fine with their sons doing nothing proactive for their romantic lives and don't see any problem wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:13 AM
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This just validates the idea that men collectively need to up their standards if they complain about dating being unfair. Other men are making it worse for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 04:09 AM
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I had nothing better to do after work today so I asked ChatGPT about blackpilled ideas such as looks or other personality quirks permanently barring you from romantic opportunities in a way that's neither your fault, and nothing you can do about. I asked the AI whether there actually exist people who are so are so sexually unattractive, whether it be due to looks, status, or any other personality feature, that they are effectively permanently shut out of dating and relationships due to no fault …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:56 AM
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It's not complicated. Most of the guys who lurk this sub genuinely believe nobody will ever find them hot. In order to make sense of what you read here, you really need to emphasize (if not necessarily sympathize) with a mindset in which out of 3.5 billion people of the opposite gender, you legitimately believe not even a single one of those will find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:43 AM
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There's another girl who lurks this forum who herself admitted to making relationship guys wait longer to have sex than her hookup guys. Paraphrasing her words, "if I fucked you after the first date, it's because I already vetted you and determined you weren't relationship material."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:42 AM
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has productive hobbies What is a "productive hobby?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:41 AM
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Thanks dude. And yes I'm naturally skinny. When I was 135 I was a typical lanklet and have always had high metabolism. I keep off fat no matter what I eat, so when I started putting on lean muscle it was easy to notice results. Also yes, that's the plan now. I'm going to do straight up volume training and bulk to get to 180 then try strength gains again, because I'm not able to beat my PRs where I'm at right now, so I'll try again later with more muscle mass. As I said though the challenge will …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:01 PM
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Men want to be desired independently of money or financial accomplishments* FIFY
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 07:39 PM
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It's not so much giving up as much as it is being realistic and stoic. The advice I'd give my hypothetical son in this situation is the same one I give myself now. You shouldn't waste your time, energy, and emotional health lamenting something you don't have the ability to influence, and how attractive you are to women is one example of that. I personally disagree with the idea that there's something wrong with people who can't or have a hard time attracting a partner. It shouldn't be seen as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:21 PM
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I'd probably encourage him to pursue an ascetic life and embrace celibacy at that point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:45 PM
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Props for having the balls to post some pictures! Yeah of course man. Thanks. You say "not impressive" but nevertheless I'm proud of my progress and not afraid to show it when people ask, and if you saw what I looked like at 135 before I worked out, you'd probably say the same. I don't claim to be hot shit, or the biggest guy out there. I'm well aware there's athletes that are bigger than me, stronger than me, or leaner than me, and that's fine. I'm still stronger, leaner, fitter, and more muscu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:16 PM
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Here's some cringe gym selfies
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:11 PM
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I'm 5'7 at 170 lbs and around 15% bodyfat. I'm not absolutely bodybuilder jacked, but noticeably muscular and shredded. I maintain a six pack year round
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 12:46 PM
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I'd just get a hobby and enjoy life in your shoes. Retiring that early sounds awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:06 AM
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My deadlift is 2x my bodyweight. I added 35 lbs of muscle overall on my frame. I started out at 135 lbs. I'm 170 lbs now. Strength gains aren't the most reliable metric to assess how much size gains someone's made, because that's usually done through volume.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:11 AM
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You're agreeing with me, albeit just adding more to it. The overall premise is that having a six pack or being fit alone isn't enough to get into romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:21 AM
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I was talking about apps. I don't think my height alone is an automatic dealbreaker IRL either. I get rejected for other reasons. Just take my word for it that I'm a below average man with next to zero options for a myriad of reasons encompassing both my looks and my overall personality and living situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:48 AM
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No offense, but yeah, in your case being jacked doesn't really matter. No offense taken. I'm pretty stoic about it, because I've long since accepted that I can't determine or influence what women are attracted to, and therefore it's a waste of my time to spend too much emotional energy lamenting over it. Personally, I think love for wisdom, knowledge, virtue, and the ideal, ethereal good, is more important or essential than romantic or sexual love anyways. So no *big* loss. Personally my cope is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:12 AM
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hence this weird belief that below average men were always finding partners before the apps He should rephrase it to "it's over for below average men," but then you'll probably just say "it always was though."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:03 AM
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At 47? Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:59 AM
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The only thing stopping this whole "individualist" experiment from collapsing like a house of cards is the existence of nukes and the geographic impossibility of being invaded lmao. Nearly every time in history where you have individualistic cultures coexisting around more collectivistic or organized/discipline ones, the individualistic cultures get butchered and plundered. OP posts in r/nihilism though. I doubt he cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:46 AM
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You want a selfie? lol. I'm telling the truth. I bench 1.33x my bodyweight, and squat 1.7x my bodyweight, and I still have never had a girlfriend. This is reddit. I get absolutely nothing lying to you. I probably get filtered out on dating apps because I'm 5'7, and pretty much no women I encounter in real life is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:31 AM
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I've got a six pack and my dating life is still nonexistent. You're doing fine dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:05 AM
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To me? Yes. To women? LOL fuck no. But you know what? I'll take being a jacked loser with a six pack and chest over a lanky one any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:04 AM
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On a societal and cultural level, we should stop normalizing relationships as the default expectation and perpetrating the idea of it being a universal rite of passage for everybody, and telling the lie that anybody who wants a relationship can eventually get one if they put in enough hard work and self improvement. While relationships can be a source of significant joy and fulfillment for those who have them, the truth and reality is every generation is going to have a generation of men who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:07 PM
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Is this the post about cold approaches?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:13 AM
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It's not that we should be asking women to give chances to suitors they aren't attracted to. It's that, on a cultural and societal level, we should stop telling the lie that with enough hard work and self improvement, anybody can find a partner. That's just not true. Some people simply get left out no matter what they do, and I feel like it's important to acknowledge that so people don't internalize those feelings as being a reflection of poor choices or character when in reality they have an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:38 PM
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Here's a thought: if you don't get implicit attraction signals, or get invited to social events where people meet and find other people to pair up with, maybe nature doesn't actually intend for you to breed?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:28 PM
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Circumstances differ. Not entirely giving up and remaining open to possibilities is an option if a reasonable chance exists, but I mainly address the specific demographic of men who genuinely are so unattractive they have no realistic chance of finding intimacy and sexual connection. In this case, "giving up" means reforming expectations in life and making the emotionally difficult journey to accept yourself and accept that romance won't be a part of your life, but that shouldn't stop you from l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:07 PM
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It's less about totally extinguishing the desire, which is unrealistic, as nice as it would be, and more about being the master of yourself. Marcus Aurelius describes it as being the spectator of your own emotions and desires, acknowledging them, but not letting them rule over you. Just as it is important to exercise the body, it is necessary to exercise the mind. We naturally desire sex and romantic intimacy as an inherent expression of our genes and our testosterone, and not our reason. Reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:04 PM
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Going to the gym only gets you so far for a relationship. I'm 165 lbs with a 220 lbs bench, and visible abs, yet I'm also romantically challenged and not likely to ever experience it in my life as well. It's not about having a shot or not. It's about refocusing priorities away from sex and romance to what is more essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:00 PM
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I think for struggling incels, for lack of a better word, and not meaning that as a pejorative, who genuinely and truthfully do belong to the outlier demographic of men who are nearly universally unattractive to women to the point where sex, dating, and romantic connection are closed off to them, finding some form of self acceptance and learning to treat it as a limitation or a disability, but not something that determines their entire self worth, may be the best way forward. Yes, it's true that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:47 PM
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It's so that you continue to compete because from a natural perspective competition is what drives evolution. Only if you're so unattractive that sex and romance are essentially closed off to you, continuing to compete is a waste of time and comes off as a humiliation ritual. It's very telling that the ancient Greeks described sexual attraction to women as a form of slavery, with some lamenting not being non-sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:25 PM
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It opens up more desirable partners and makes it easier to get casual sex interest from women. Nobody needs to self improve to get a girlfriend. These statements contradict, unless you believe men who have zero options don't exist. You absolutely do need to self improve if absolutely nobody is interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:11 PM
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I've got better things to do with my life than to approach women who aren't attracted to me to play a game with the odds against me. We say it all the time that dating isn't fair and isn't meant to be. Why would I play a game with uneven rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:55 PM
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It means each generation is going to have more single and celibate men who need to learn how to get over their desires for sex and intimacy. The bar got raised higher to the point more men are now physically and mentally incapable of fixing the issues preventing them from seeing any kind of romantic success, because no matter what they do they won't be attractive enough. The answer in the short term is just to be stoic about it, because you only make yourself miserable wanting what you can't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:26 PM
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Don't you also have income requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:20 PM
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I'm not talking specifically about guys who ask for advice. I'm talking within the general premise of the thread, which is that it's illogical and a waste of time for anybody to rationalize or logically argue with people's sexual preferences. This means any logical argument women put forward as well arguing why men shouldn't have body count preferences are equally a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:15 AM
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What's your take on running suppressors?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:05 AM
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How many of the guys here who legitimately believe society is going to collapse in the future own guns, regularly shoot, and spend time outdoors? Also, what's your plan for gas?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:51 AM
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morality is taught, not innate. You literally have no idea what you're talking about, because this doesn't change the premise at all. Even within a morally subjectivist or relativist framework, it is still preferable for society that exclusively moral people reproduce. The only thing that changes is the specifics of that would be determined by the value ethics of that particular society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:32 AM
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It's not up to you to tell people what is and isn't meaningless for the same reason the OP argues it's pointless for men to reason for women to be more attracted to them. A statistically significant number of men are less attracted to women when they pass a body count threshold that's unique and specific to them. That's a preference as any other. Plenty of women are turned off by men when they turned out they slept with sex workers for similar reasons. It gives them an ick. Nothing you can do ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:13 AM
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I understand you meant this in earnest and not in any negative way, but I don't want it anymore. I still feel a strong need for romantic and sexual connection as a pure physiological expression of my genes and testosterone, but my rational and conscious mind wants nothing to do with it. I loathe what is found sexually attractive in a modern sense, and even if I turned around and was found attractive by someone right now, it wouldn't be for qualities which I would even value, and so it's worthles…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:20 AM
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This sub has a particularly disparaging view of autistic people, particularly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:14 AM
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Men asserting that their preferences are logical in no way changes the premise that it is matter of fact that rationalizing sexual preferences and attraction is pointless, which was the original premise of the OP. Bringing up that men rationalize their attraction is irrelevant to the point. If attraction is irrational, which was the premise, and therefore it is illogical or futile for anybody to spend time attempting to deconstruct or to rationally analyze sexual attraction, then this applies to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:05 AM
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It is objectively better for society that only moral and virtuous men and women reproduce, by the very definition of those concepts. If you disagree, then you reject the entire premise of morality. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:53 AM
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You're derailing the discussion by shifting the goalposts. The original premise of the OP and this entire thread is that sexual attraction and preferences are illogical, and it is a fruitless and pointless endeavor to attempt to analyze them according to pure reason(TM). Accepting that premise, then we ought to address that it is equally futile for women to logically deconstruct men's preferences and standards for the same reason the OP is insinuating it's pointless for men to deconstruct women'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:50 AM
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This is just kicking the can down the road and being dismissive. Telling people they should improve to the best that they can as a hail Mary to solve their dating issues with no real guarantee of success or tangible progress then turning around and saying "even if you fail, you'll at least be a better person for yourself" is just dismissing the core problem altogether, which is a sexual and emotional need that isn't being met.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:43 AM
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After a certain point, that becomes an indefensible reason to continue trying. Once you're at the level where you are so repulsive and unattractive to women that it is either physically or mentally beyond your ability to influence or rectify the issues preventing you from seeing success, any further effort you put forward is futility because it is the definition of a fool's errand to waste time, effort, and energy into solving a problem that cannot be solved. You said it yourself that sex, relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:41 AM
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Being in a transactional relationship and being valued for your possessions and things you provide gets old after a very short time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:51 PM
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Why would I ever subject myself to a circus which you yourself admitted above is not a fair game, and was never designed to be? Why would I have the sheer lack of self respect to play a game that's rigged against me, based on factors I can't control, to get something I'm neither guaranteed or entitled to? I'd rather drag my face through broken glass.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:49 PM
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Yet society would be better off if it was a prerequisite
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:35 PM
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If I had my way, success would be directly tied to virtue and leading a moral life. If something is not rewarded based on those metrics, I want nothing to do with it. We admire strength and athleticism as well as courage because those are markers of agency and conqueror genes, and they are both prerequisites to living a virtuous and moral life. You can't do good if you have no agency, and you have no agency if you have no strength. But yes, I absolutely detest the idea of being the caricature of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:28 PM
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I swear the sheer illogical and randomness of sexual attraction and natural selection is one of the biggest reasons I detest the fact that I'm, against my own will, biologically inclined to want something I don't want to pursue. My desire for sex and intimacy is something baked into me on a genetic level, but I quite strongly loathe the idea of living up to the standards of what women find attractive, yet I'm denied the ability to turn off my sexuality. I'm strong enough to have the mental disci…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:19 PM
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Why are women in this sub then trying to use logic to rationalize away things like men's preferences in body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:10 PM
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I want to say 8-9/10 men here have a sufficient idea of what it is that women look for in men. Problem is that it’s often the opposite of what they themselves inherently are. Doesn't this vindicate blackpill? Because this literally affirms that if you do happen to belong to the demographic of men who are too unattractive to find a willing and suitable partner, it's better to give up because at least then you won't be wasting your energy on impossible goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:08 PM
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Its dismissive because it does nothing to address that some men aren't attractive enough to women to even get a chance. You should be talking to women you interact with like normal people anyways, but this is more for things like working with them, studying with them, or other simple interactions. But "just talking to women like normal people" isn't going to get you anywhere if you're not attractive to anybody to begin with. I think guys need to learn to have the self respect to recognize when d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:55 PM
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personally would never marry someone without knowing we were sexually compatible, but that's just me. This is a more convincing reason than the other one you have me. If sexual chemistry is something important for you, then that's a valid reason not to wait. There not being many men who would wait in comparison is a terrible reason. That goes back to what I said in the beginning: if waiting is important to you, then narrowing your pool is a good thing. The people who aren't compatible with you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:34 PM
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I don't think that's a good reason to not wait until marriage, if that's something important to you. Compromising on important personal values for a relationship rarely, if ever, results in a fulfilling one. If there are no partners compatible with your values and what is important to you, the answer isn't to change your values to find a partner lol. It's to stay single. Many men for example already have zero options even with loose standards and being heterosexual. If I had zero options among w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:40 PM
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why would you settle down with someone who doesn’t have the job security, financial savings and healthcare benefits It's not even that this is unreasonable for the specific reasons you mentioned, but wanting it all available out the gate just makes you come off as both conditional and transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:21 AM
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I'm just going by what you're saying dude. If "basic daily makeup" takes an hour to put on, that's a lot. I'm ready and all dressed in 5 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:51 AM
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there is no such thing as deserve in dating. You don't think women and men deserve to be loved by their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:48 AM
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Sure, but I don't have to lift weights every time I go outside. I just have to do it three hours a week. You also maintain it by leading an active lifestyle btw. Playing airsoft, shooting competitively, and reenacting help maintain a physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:47 AM
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So...being jacked is easier? lmao. I train three times a week for an hour each time, and don't have to retrain for another hour every time I shower. Sounds to me like applying makeup for an hour *every day* is harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:43 AM
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You know it just takes an hour each gym session to get jacked, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:37 AM
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These days if women don’t give it up by date 3 they move on. If you're a wait until marriage woman, isn't this a *good* thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:24 AM
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A emotional connection can increase physical attraction, by the way. Apparently it doesn't work like that for everyone, but for me it does. Yeah, but I'm not going to be emotionally attracted to you when I don't even know you and you're just a stranger to me. The primary way of drawing someone's attention before you even establish that emotional connection is physical attraction. I think, "I want to have a physical and emotional connection with a good looking person" is a common sentiment among …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:59 PM
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Do you actually *want* to be in a relationship with a man who doesn't want to have sex with you, and isn't physically attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:35 PM
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They mean it as an insult. I think you already know that too, so not much more to add.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:27 PM
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You know, whenever I hang out around transhumanist circles, a question I always ask myself after lurking and reading what people write is, "after a certain point, are you really enhancing yourself, or are you engineering your replacement?" Because if you genuinely believe that after you've uploaded your consciousness into a digital singularity augmented by AI and we exist on a data linked network and are in touch with others emotions, feelings, and thoughts, that this is still "human," then what…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:49 AM
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the way you hope it will I'm not taking any position in this discussion. I'm examining the idea and entertaining what a hypothetical future would look like taking it to its logical extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:40 AM
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It's just interesting from an intellectual perspective to conceptualize what egalitarianism and individualism both taken together and to their farthest logical consequences or extremes actually looks like. Personally I don't think it would be possible unless we also embraced transhumanism and artificially engineered ourselves beyond our biological limits and fundamentally change what it means to be human, because sexual dimorphism and gender identity reproduce each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:33 AM
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I'm leaning towards being in agreement, because much of how we conceptualize gender comes to how we socially receive sexual identity. That's also why I threw in the x factor of including transhumanism and body augmentation into the hypothetical mix as well, because I notice there's a strong overlap between the trans community and a certain demographic of techbros who are enthusiastic about the idea of augmenting their bodies with machinery to escape from the biological constraints of the human b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:29 AM
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But what if men and women don't exist anymore? What if identity becomes so fluid and individualized that we quite literally don't even have a concept of gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:20 AM
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Oh, I was asking about something way more radical than just abolishing gender roles lmao. I meant a total abolition of gender identity as an entire concept. Imagine a hypothetical future in which identity becomes so fluid and individualized that characterizing someone as a "man" or a "woman" becomes irrelevant. You would treat everyone as a unique individualized existence on such a level that those terms become unnecessary. I think as a consequence everybody would be pansexual and all forms of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:15 AM
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I'm not asking solely about the future within our lifetime. I'm asking about the hypothetical far future.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:10 AM
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Do women here feel gender war issues would be resolved if you envision a hypothetical progressive future in which we embrace gender abolitionism, and gender as a whole ceases to be a meaningful category of personal identity? In other words, imagine if personal identity becomes so fluid and individual that gender as a whole simply ceases to exist, and there are only individual identities. I imagine it's a future that would coincide with things like transhumanism and body augmentation to either mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:04 AM
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Would you agree with the overall prevailing sentiment that dudes who struggle too much with dating should first learn to be happy alone, and to not want a relationship, and only then will they be ready for one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:39 PM
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You are mentally ill. Get help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:37 PM
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And they'll be the first to die and rot in a mass grave as soon as you get conquered because seemingly you and your ilk don't value self sacrifice and would run from a conflict rather than fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:23 PM
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Says the one who may even get to mother a soldier's child after she watches her brothers being dismembered by him. This isn't a problem afterall...your brothers and father are cowards. I know because you just told me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:19 PM
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You should ask a soldier the next time you're confronted by one at the point of a gun. History shows that cowards like you are natural slaves who adopt the values of your conquerors. Soldiers partake in warfare, which is something that is literally civilization defining.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:15 PM
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You have both a parochial and elementary view of state and civic matters which doesn't extend beyond your presentism bias and your absolutely stunning disregard for anything beyond what you personally benefit from. The very fact that we still use Latin characters today in everyday speech is due to the success of Roman legions in conquering and subjugating the enemies of the state, and to impose Roman law and Greek culture onto the world sewing the seeds for what would later become the Holy Roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:01 PM
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This asinine comment says more about you and your lack of virtue than it does anybody else here. Accusing fallen warriors who died for causes beyond them isn't just appalling. It's outright wicked. It shows you don't value anything beyond your immediate pleasure or personal benefit out of life. Self-sacrifice doesn't make you lesser. In fact, to give up one's life for the service of one's state, community, and populace is among the highest virtues you could attain in life. And so what that being…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:52 PM
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1) Who is "us?" 2) Least you could do is thank us for our charity, accepting your premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:41 PM
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They're busy serving their country, and not engaging with the likes of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:38 PM
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Even dead a soldier is more virtuous than a natural slave unwilling to sacrifice for his state, people, and imperator. In fact, it offends the gods, whose opinions matter so much more than yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:33 PM
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In tua parte, mane.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:25 PM
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Elaborate please. Are you trying to say that traditional gender roles render women shallow and 'basic becky.' Holy fuck that's literally what he said. Replace "society" with "gender roles" in the argument you're addressing and you have his original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:18 PM
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Propriam vitam in servitio rei publicae, imperatori, et ethnos offerre inter summas virtutes et honores est, et homines a servis separare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:07 PM
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They were considered essential to society insomuch as motherhood and family was considered essential. They weren't actually consulted for their thoughts and opinions in the same league as men. You should read what Cicero says about women to get an idea of what a contemporary perspective of women actually looked like. Pretty much every discipline was for men EXCEPT religion. And yes, Romans educated Greek women, and rich women, but this doesn't mean they saw them as equals. They also educated sla…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:40 PM
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I'll admit my bias because most of my study of ancient Greece comes from classical Socrates Plato Aristotle, who all were Athenians. Additionally, contemporary sources about Sparta were also written by Athenians because Spartans themselves never left behind that many literary works. I've studied the presocratics as well, but never directly as what I know of them comes from Nietzsche or Schopenhauer (who both had a low opinion of women lol). Even then, they were also Athenians. I think the only G…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:37 PM
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Kind of calls into question why some women attempt to berate or shame men, who aren't interested in them as people, into offering commitment, doesn't it? Call it misplaced priorities if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:41 AM
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That guy is legitimately unintelligent and is very likely a literal 95-96 IQ midwit with an inability to engage with complex ideas. Attempting to engage in debate with him is a pointless waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:15 AM
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In ancient Rome and Greece, women were considered unsophisticated and shallow and therefore generally, friendships and deeper relationships with them were simply not pursued. What many people look for today in romantic relationships, either companionship, a sense of family and belonging, or a shared life together, was met through close friendships with other men, and was the reason male friends and companions were valued a lot more strongly than otherwise. If a Roman or a Greek were to answer yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:11 AM
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Nah, close partners and family don't deserve simping either. Nobody does, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:54 AM
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Imma need ChatGPT to decode this shit because I have zero idea what OP is on about
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:53 AM
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The least he could do is accuse us of simping for someone cool, like Justinian the Great, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus Augustus, Marcus Antonius, Marcus Tullius Cicero, Belisarius, or Alexander the Great.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:51 AM
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No, I am, because I said so
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:31 AM
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Well okay...but the point still stands. Yes, red-pilled men tend not to believe in love in romantic relationships, because they have a transactional and rationalistic view of human relationships, view most if not all human relationships as a mutual exchange of value, and have a rational view of human nature which affirms self-interest as the fundamental thing which influences and determines human decisions and motivations. Love, by definition, is unconditional, selfless, and self-sacrificing. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:09 PM
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You’re being too esoteric and vague. Complaining about me being esoteric and vague in a discussion about the nature of love is pretty tone-deaf, don't you think? What is the practical application of saying hitler had value as a human being? It raises questions about what it means to have "value" as a human being. Is value intrinsic, based on potential for good, or based on actions and their consequences? Is it something that's innate, something that you naturally have as an expression of your ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:40 PM
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Where did I say anything about intentions? I spoke about value, which is a lot more complex and abstract than you seem to be grappling with. I think Adolf Hitler had every bad intention and no good intention exterminating the Jews and implementing policy which led to widespread discrimination and misery, yet I also think he was human, with human emotions, the potential to do good, and still had all of the positive value being human entails. Again, I think you're guilty of the very same thing you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 08:11 PM
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Except I'm responding to your comment wherein you accused red-pill men of not believing in love, which shifts the discussion to being about love as a whole general concept, and therefore the need to even define it. In this light, religion and mythology become relevant as they are the intellectual and observed origins of how we experience it even today. What we call "unconditional love" has intellectual origins from the Ancient Greeks, and was extensively discussed by Aristotle (who btw would dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:41 PM
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Premarital sex can be considered a sin but doesn't have marriage-cancelling power in either case. It literally does. From a Catholic perspective, if you've had premarital sex, you've forfeited holy matrimony and should redeem yourself by leading a celibate life. Most Catholics aren't devout and follow religious scripture and doctrine to the farthest extent they can sure, but that doesn't change the reality that the doctrine belief itself doesn't legitimize any marriage between people who aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:30 PM
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Virginity isn't mandatory to call yourself catholic or muslim. To be a Catholic or Muslim? No, but it is mandatory for God's blessing of your marriage and for him to unite you under one flesh, and if you lead a deeply spiritual life, it is something you will be concerned about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:24 PM
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Ok so your argument is that anyone who wouldn’t stay in an abusive relationship doesn’t love their partner? What is your point here in arguing over semantics? In a genuine and selfless sense, yes. That is my argument, and how I distinguish between the kinds of love associated with romantic connections, in which there are practical needs for healthy boundaries, vs someone who would impale himself on someone else's sword for his country, his king, or his community. I do not care for 100% “uncondit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:21 PM
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Scientology is indeed built upon logical premises and suppositions, yes. For someone who seems so sure of himself, you don't seem to know the difference between logic and truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:17 PM
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And in the same vein, love can’t be unconditional if I’d lose love for my partner if he started abusing me, cheating on me, talking down to me, acting self centered or developing machismo, etc.. Part of the conditions on my love is that he treats me with kindness and not in any paternalistic way. It's not love then, at least not not genuine and authentic love, or what Aristotle called Agape, because by definition it has no conditions or requirements to exist, and is self-sacrificing. Yes, it's i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:01 PM
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Growing up in a religious environment doesn't make you an authority on religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:53 PM
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might catch flak for this but seeing through a logical lens and believing in god are somewhat going to conflict. If you have an elementary understanding of religion, then yes. It'll seem that way. But theology is a very deep branch of philosophy and pretty much every major theologician, from Aquinas to Augustine, were big time logicians. In fact, it's literally in the title, theo -logy. It is a logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:50 PM
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I lived in Armenia during study abroad, and want to clarify it's not Roman Catholicism that's big in Eastern Europe, but Eastern Orthodoxy. It looks similar to outside perspectives, but it's a crucial distinction originating from the Great Schism almost a thousand years ago, and creates a lot of cultural difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:48 PM
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Your dating circle should ideally be in your religious demographic. I was raised as a Roman Catholic, and when I was growing up, my church held Sunday schools, religious events, and hosted an overall tightly knit community where everyone's parents knew each other, and by extension their children. In an ideal world, society should be united by common values, traditions, and a way of life. Navigating challenges as they relate to people having differing values is a unique challenge of navigating di…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:46 PM
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Catholics, Muslims, and other religious demographics are on apps. Maybe not as extensively, but they're present. But simply pointing that out doesn't change that an N count filter has its utility. You say many women wouldn't be comfortable with entering that information, but you already don't have to enter information for filters that are already present.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:42 PM
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I didn’t say that’s most women, I just said that making an n count filter would incentivize some women to just lie because it’s a lie that you can for the most part get away with. Not if the filter is set at zero. You can fake being low body count for a while, but you can't fake being a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:38 PM
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It's a lot harder to pretend to be a literal virgin than it is a low body count woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:37 PM
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Because you're not a sexually conservative or religious woman. It's literally mandatory to be a virgin before marriage for many religious traditions, and therefore something you would realistically ask about in those cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:36 PM
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There's no such thing as hyper-transactional. It's either based on a rational exchange of value, or it isn't. Love should be neither “unconditional,” In any meaningful intellectual and cultural sense, love is unconditional by definition, and characterized by an unwavering, unrelenting devotion, that carries through until death. Anything else makes it into a subjective and logically undefinable experience, as there wouldn't be any objectively defining criteria that meaningfully distinguishes it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:27 PM
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You sound like an ordinary woman who grew up around my local religious community. Your standards are reasonable as long as you don't date in a decidedly secular crowd. Out of curiosity, what denomination are you? I only ask because that actually matters as having your own religious community will be essential for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:23 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:21 PM
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They literally do. They're among the first people to shout as loudly as possible that unconditional love doesn't exist. They interpret love according to egoistic love, where a "loving relationship" is one in which both parties have their needs met in a rational and self-interested exchange. It's an inherently economic way of looking at love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:00 PM
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but my feelings need to go to other people that care. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:41 PM
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I think looks matter a lot less for men than they do women. Men weigh looks in a woman a lot more favorably than women do men. Even good looking men stay single if they simply don't have the social qualities women look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:00 AM
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If the perceived power dynamic in a relationship isn’t in their favor then they’re uncomfortable. Or they want a traditional SAHM and a career driven ambitious woman just ain't it. Why do you always have to frame it as insecurity or power dynamics when Occam's Razor favors a simple mismatch in personal values? In fact, if you're a man who wants a more traditional dynamic, careerism as a whole should be a red flag, both in yourself and a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:50 PM
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Yeah, and get used to being single if you don't want to do this and you don't have people to set you up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:30 PM
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Arguably it already is a hellhole in conception. This would only come about if humanity hates its own nature this much we go out of our ways to engineer ourselves into completely different beings. In a certain perspective, we wouldn't even be enhancing ourselves, but engineering out replacements
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:54 PM
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Maybe, but isn't that what makes this such an interesting thought experiment to consider? I'm a hypothetical future in which it's possible for people to augment themselves with machine and computer technology as well as artificial growth and genetic engineering, how much of yourself can you change before you're no longer human? At its core, transhumanism isn't just about augmenting or enhancing human life. It's about fundamentally redefining and changing human nature, according to design and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:53 PM
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It's all hypothetical, but I personally don't think you'd experience sexual desire anymore if 90% of your body is cybernetic and you don't even have genitals anymore, and your mind has been uploaded into a networked singularity powered by computer tech as well as a natural brain
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:42 PM
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I think you completely glossed over where I literally said sex itself would become antiquated. There wouldn't be any sex bots, because you probably wouldn't have the physiological want for it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:35 PM
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I genuinely wonder how many men who are so insecure and fatalistic about their looks and self identify as incels, rather than envisioning some sort of social collapse, instead find appeal in going the opposite extreme with transhumanism and some sort of technocratic sci Fi future, because on paper this hypothetical reality has everything that could appeal to them minus giving them a relationship. In a hypothetical future where humans merge with technology and become cybernetically enhanced biome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:25 PM
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I see. So the primary distinction, if I understand you correctly, is that my definition does not necessarily include the fantasy element, or necessarily affirm that physical element as being more important than the human element. I guess that's because rather than calling that a fetish, I simply call that "shallow." I like tits for example. But it doesn't mean I don't care about a woman's personality, or would even tolerate bad personal character from a potential wife just because she's got a ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:53 AM
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I think that's a rather limiting view because I see physical attraction as being a prerequisite for a romantic connection. I too wouldn't bother with a woman if I wasn't attracted to her, or if she generally wasn't my type. But that doesn't mean I can't recognize her as a person and look for a connection beyond physical attraction once that baseline is met. I define a fetish, in the context of this conversation, as eroticizing or developing intense sexual attraction to specific physical traits, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:50 AM
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I see it as eroticizing a specific or a general group of physical features such that you become intensely physically attracted to those traits or qualities. It's just a form of intense physical attraction to specific traits to me. In that sense, I fail to see how it prevents anyone from developing emotional bonds
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:46 AM
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Not quite. For now, we can't even have a discussion because we haven't yet even agreed on the meanings of the words we're using. If you and I are both talking about totally different things when we use the word "fetish," the discussion can't continue. Even when you say, women are usually the object being fetishized, that's meaningless in this discussion if we both mean different things by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:36 AM
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I fail to see why a fetish implies an inability to have attraction beyond physical qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:34 AM
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I'm guessing you completely glossed over my proposed solution to focus the entirety of education from 12-16 on skills in demand in the labor market. And yes, the entire point is to push back against credentialism culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:33 AM
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You people must be using that word with a totally different definition than I am, because I fail to see how this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:39 AM
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Why do you assume having a fetish for a specific type precludes you from forming an emotional connection with that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:13 AM
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Then it's clear we're using that word to mean different things. I define "fetish" in this context, as "having intense physical attraction to a specific type." I'm not one to tell people they're wrong for having different definitions to the same words, even if unconventional, but that definition you're sharing isn't useful to me, because when I discuss only being valued physically, I prefer to say "shallow" instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:25 AM
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This is nonsense. Just because someone has a type doesn't mean he or she necessarily has to be shallow about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:23 AM
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we're talking about a straight up FETISH for your type I just chalk that under physical attraction. For a long term relationship, I don't care as long as that's not the only thing keeping her around me. If she fetishizes my type, but otherwise cares about me as a person, values my company and respects me, listens to me and comforts me, and provides constructive feedback every time I fuck up so I become a better person, and above all, is willing to be monogamous with me, I'd welcome it whole-hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:38 AM
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No? My physical traits are literally a part of me and I'd want to be valued physically as well as emotionally and personally. I don't think of myself as a ghost piloting an arbitrary body. My existence encompasses my physical and my metaphysical forms. If anything, I'd think being valued for my possessions as way more dehumanizing than my looks. My body is literally a part of me. If you aren't attracted to me physically, I wouldn't want a relationship even if you liked everything about me beyond…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:27 AM
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I personally don't see a problem with being in a relationship with a woman who is intensely physically attracted to me. It's only a problem if her attraction doesn't go beyond those things, but that's an entirely different discussion I feel like.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:00 AM
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Interesting. So would the association with social materialism and rationalism or rational self interest with the market come from thinkers like Ayn Rand, Rothbard, or Milton Friedman instead? I understand they're all "free market" liberal academics, but beyond that point they're radically different. I haven't studied Mises, but of the above I find Rand to be the weakest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:20 PM
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Don't you think reducing all human behavior to transactional interactions in a market is a uniquely materialistic and reductionist way of understanding human nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:03 PM
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This implies you can upgrade your league with money and status like passport bros who seek foreign brides in third world countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:46 PM
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Past an age range, not being ready to have kids means you'll never have them, sure. But I feel like that's a different controversy from what we're talking about. Even if you decide instantly you want kids, it doesn't make you ready for them. The money isn't going to conjure from thin air, and neither will the house and community you'd want to raise them in. Some people just aren't ready even later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:38 PM
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Except it's not the uneducated workers who are competing with AI. Bob in construction or welding isn't the one being replaced. It's Karen or Becky from HR with useless meme overpriced degrees. There's also nothing you learn in university that makes you employable which you also couldn't learn from a reformed college system for 12-16 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:40 PM
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Some people who are older aren't ready for marriage or children, and it would be wrong to shame them into agreeing to those things when they aren't in the financial, professional, or mental readiness to provide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:38 PM
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Doesn't that make the point that it's a cultural issue, and a problem with how we perceive family life and raising children? Btw, from your username, are you polish?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:58 PM
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No. I'm saying south Korea is going to demographically collapse and become a failed state.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:44 PM
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That's a descriptive observation of how mass culture today perceives children. This is obviously a very different thing than "equating childlessness with happiness." Making a general observation about how children are perceived in no way implies the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:20 PM
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You should read again but closely. I made carefully sure to distinguish by phrasing it as "happiness outside of a family," which logically implies happiness within (raising) a family is a very valid possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:05 PM
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that girls prefer jocks over you, the intellectual I guess it would blow your mind as well that I have a physique that's probably closer to a jock than anything you'll ever accomplish in your lifetime, and I'll take that sad attempt at an ad-hom as a concession that you indeed don't have an argument, or else you wouldn't feel the need to attack me. I have plenty of relationships, many of which simultaneously. I'm just not autistic and reduce all relationships to romantic ones exclusively, like m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 06:00 PM
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You lack a coherent argument because you can't even decide if you want to argue prescriptive ethics or descriptive history and seemingly alternate between the two each time your flaccid arguments are dismantled, almost as if you don't know the difference. There's also the glaringly obviously anti-intellectualism in attributing essentially any form of egotism and vanity to individualism proving you don't have any idea what the fuck you're talking about, or what the words you're using even mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:46 PM
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You should come back when you learn to argue without using a strawman or shifting goalposts and to engage with complex ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:22 PM
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China today is 98% Han Chinese despite occupying territory which historically was inhabited by a far greater diversity of cultures. Yet they're almost gone from the genealogical record not from extermination but simply because the Han continued to outbreed them and inter mix with them while keeping Han birth rates disproportionately high to the point where their genetic remnants even in their modern descendants are so low they're negligible. This is what happened to the Manchus, and idiots who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:31 PM
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I don't think the Decline of the West can actually be postponed anywhere nearly as much as the fall of Rome from the collapse of the western half in 476 AD to the eastern half in 1453 AD. This is because if history is indeed cyclical, then we experience historical epochs faster due to technology and therefore we pass developmental milestones unusually sooner. What took the Romans 200 years may only take us 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:27 PM
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She literally doesn't care about the future outcome of her own community. She just admitted it indirectly. Arguing with her further is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:21 PM
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I'm talking about that guy, and not young people in general. He literally just admitted he'd rather spend extra money on things than a family, and unashamedly admitting to hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:19 PM
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That's cool. You're a self solving problem that'll go away in one generation, and should just be made to pay 30% more in taxes. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:18 PM
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I genuinely don't think anybody is serious about lowering the average age of having your first children, and therefore increasing the birth rate, unless they get behind removing the social expectation of you absolutely needing a degree to be considered a complete and employable adult. To be honest, I think even public education lasting from age 5 - 18 is too long. I'd reform it to be from 5 -12, with a 4 year "college system," which specializes in young adult education and making you employable,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:16 PM
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What's a peter pan?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:12 PM
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Half of the world's population, around 3.5 billion people, is just India and China. We aren't overpopulated, and I'd rather not live in a world where just two cultures dominate global demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:10 PM
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The problem isn't so much that he doesn't want children, but the fact that society even produces people like him. Hedonists are almost always a net negative on every society they exist in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:09 PM
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You're not even arguing a coherent point. This is just inarticulate rambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:04 PM
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It always elicits a chuckle out of me when sheltered children think they can repopulate themselves with other people's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:03 PM
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This is a capitalism problem first, and a cultural issue second. Yes, we have a more selfish and atomized culture today, but it genuinely begs the question how much of it is consequential to the material realities surrounding 21st century life. Capitalism literally rewards mercenary behavior and putting yourself and your economic ambitions above family and having children. In the modern west children are seen as a burden and not a blessing because they're a net financial negative and because peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:36 PM
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I wouldn't go that far. They're just indifferent; the kind of people who would walk over a dead body or a starving child on the way to work and not think anything of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:27 PM
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They *do,* and are quite open about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:24 PM
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Self actualization might mean professional ambition, which definitely Roman senators or Greek philosophers had, or any conquerer or general...Or if we move it forward, why did all poet or painters created their art? Why they didn't "just had a family" and worked till death? They wanted to express themselves and fulfill their potential Said by someone who has never studied Greek or Roman philosophy in any serious detail and is now commenting on them from the position of a modern person. No, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:14 PM
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I think you're projecting uniquely modern values and perspectives onto the Greeks and Romans and fundamentally mischaracterizing and misunderstanding their entire philosophy as a result. Maslow's hierarchy doesn't make sense unless you presuppose liberal individualism as a conceptual framework of self-identity which exists in a specific historical context, and was absolutely absent in the ancient world. You're absolutely wrong. Self-actualization as it's understood by 20th century psychologists …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:51 AM
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I generally agree but I'd hesitate to fully endorse the sentiment only because there's enough women who want men to be competent providers right out of the gate as if they're going to start trying for kids after date 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:44 AM
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A woman cannot protect a man in the same sense that he can protect her. It’s not rocket science. It's interesting how you attempt to rebuke his comment about you basing your views on outdated gender stereotypes while simultaneously proving his point and affirming them by commenting like this is still the 1500s. In 2024, a woman absolutely can protect a man like he could protect her. It's called buy a gun and get some training. As they say, God made man and woman, but Samuel Colt made them equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:42 AM
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Half the shit people complain about online would magically disappear if electricity turned off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:36 AM
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You don’t “have” to do anything in life - but idk how to explain to you on a base level that you should want to lol. Because you can't without contradicting yourself. "You don't have to do anything" is not logically compatible with "you should want to." You're making a prescriptive claim on what people ought to want. Make up your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:30 AM
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The good news is you can do that any day and nobody would stop you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:24 AM
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You're not pointing out anything beyond looking like a jackass arguing against yourself in the same comment. At least try to consistently argue one (1!) point without immediately contradicting yourself before attempting criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:01 AM
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Great comment even though the guy literally contradicts himself at every attempt to reinforce his point? He begins by claiming men were happy, then proceeds to describe how it supposedly wasn't so happy for men, as if he can't make up his mind and forgot his own argument. That poster is by far one one of the most confused midwits who writes here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:15 AM
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"When people see a weak horse and a strong horse, by nature they will like the strong horse." - Osama Bin Laden
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:00 AM
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I was going to comment, but this already hit the nail on the head for me for most of what I was going to say. There's also that premodern societies didn't have this obsession with individual self actualization and happiness as the end goal in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:00 PM
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But why is it your moral duty to help someone who doesn't want to be helped? That's the premise of this whole debate. He wants you to walk away and let him die.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:27 PM
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Are you really helping someone if he doesn't want to be helped?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:00 PM
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Is it really up to you to decide what's best for someone, even if it's a life and death situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:55 PM
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I guess it would blow your mind that I'm not a libertarian, because I certainly have a higher level of both introspection and higher level of deep critical thought, as unlike you I'm able to defend and articulate ideas beyond my own. I don't have to be a libertarian to say what it is, and to defend it from shit arguments, like the slop you wrote above.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:54 PM
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Appeal to authority, or to majority, is a weak way to assess the tenability of a theory. Lmao if you think I copy pasted that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:27 PM
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Libertarianism is a social, political, and moral philosophy based on individualism, self-ownership, and the idea that the individual is an autonomous whole complete within himself and therefore has no higher obligations to anyone or anything beyond himself, and his rational self-interest. Morality as per libertarianism is based on self-ownership, the wholeness and primacy, of the individual, rational self-interest, and non-aggression. That is, to libertarianism, actions are morally measurable by…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:41 PM
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You should go see a therapist instead of posting narrations on reddit nobody asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:21 PM
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This is literally the libertarian interpretation of morality centered around the NAP, and it's been around for longer than you've been alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:14 PM
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Nah. This is the logical consequence of cultural individualism taken to its most extreme, or just exposure to poverty, disease, and famine. Either or.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:12 PM
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I think he's saying he's totally cool with bleeding out to death in those situations, or at least doesn't expect any help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 06:00 PM
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People generally don't care to see men struggle because for the longest time in human genetic history, men were born to struggle. It's how we survive and build civilization and thriving societies. "If it is endurable, then endure it." - Marcus Aurelius
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:33 AM
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If you're dating and marrying above your league lookswise with money, then aren't you mainly being valued for your money if she says yes? Isn't that what women on this sub always try to explain? Like if you were broke and poor and she wouldn't be with you, then why would you want her when you have those things if love is supposedly intended to be unconditional? inb4 people jump on this comment with some double digit IQ take about how "unconditional love doesn't exist" missing the point entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:28 AM
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А как ты бы знала, что твоя жизнь бы хуже под советским союзом?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:21 AM
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I agree. Upon reading it again, your comment was very clearly illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:10 PM
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So you're not debating me in good faith and are just looking for ways to say "man bad" while patting yourself on the back afterwards. Cool. You should spend less time on reddit and more time with your father and uncles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:09 PM
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This is non sequitur, on top of not falsifying or challenging anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:50 PM
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First you're talking about women who are childless, unmarried, and adopting. Now you're talking about women having more choices than men, while repeating the pseudo biology nonsense from redpill evolution psychology. That's a very interesting attempt at shifting goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:48 PM
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Think about it. She's basically admitting to having even less of a solid argument than a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:48 PM
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Unironically yes. People are allowed to assume anything they want, and to be with whoever they want. Both sides, men and women, should communicate their non-negotiables from the beginning so that both sides have all the information they need to decide whether they want to agree to the relationship or not. I personally think it's reasonable and would cause a lot less hassle if the guys wanting paternity tests just treated it like a prenup. Tell her it's a requirement for you before you'll consent…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:47 PM
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Honestly the best way to go about this is just to let her know you want a paternity test before you even agree to get married or have children. Just treat it the same as a prenup. Make it clear it's one of your relationship non negotiables, and from there the woman has all the information she needs to decide if she wants to continue with the relationship or not. If not, she's within her rights to leave, but then she wasn't the one for you anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:44 PM
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He can just be open about it from the very beginning and tell her he wants a paternity test for a child before they even get married or have kids. If the woman wants to leave after that, she's free to do so. But personally I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a paternity test regardless who your partner is, but for it's own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:41 PM
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No we're not. Humans are not a rational species. We are a rationalizing species, and there's a big difference. It's not that we aren't capable of reason, but that our nature isn't inherently rational or defined by rational metrics. Instead, it's more accurate to say we just reason to justify what we were already going to say, do, or believe anyways ad hoc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:06 PM
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I mean yeah, if you don't want to settle, then forfeiting all romantic relationships and accepting celibacy is an option. It's just never going to be normalized on a society wide level because by definition those people don't reproduce and pass down their genes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:04 PM
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If a tree falls in the middle of the woods, with nobody and nothing to witness it, did it actually make noise?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:45 AM
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You should consider Islam, because you're on the right track on realizing why they segregate their women from men their whole lives until they get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:33 AM
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The door to the flight deck is locked pretty much at all times and inaccessible to passengers, and there's usually always multiple entry doors on commercial airliners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:31 AM
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Holy fuck, we've come full circle to where the equality crowd is now arguing for segregation. What a time to be alive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:28 AM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:26 AM
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I like how you have to purposefully shift goalposts like a characteristic terminally online and opinionated midwit who either isn't attempting to engage in good faith, or legitimately has room temperature IQ. That AI generated response doesn't say what you think it does. Literally the first sentence says, "In a 50:50 financial relationship, neither partner is "providing for" the other in the traditional sense." That last clause is so key and instrumental the fact that you're willing to gloss ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:46 PM
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I genuinely can't fathom how anyone can be so wrong yet so confident. If you don't contribute to your relationship financially, you're not going to have a relationship for very long. You ARE providing for your relationship whether it's 50:50 or traditional sole provider. The only difference between 50:50 and traditional gender role marriages is the presence of two providers instead of one. EVERYBODY is expected to provide for their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:49 PM
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...so you proved my point. Male gender expectations now apply equally to everybody, thereby ceasing to be a gender role by definition. They still exist, and you're still being held to the same standard. The only difference is women are now too. Learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:38 PM
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If getting married and having a family is an important value to you, then you will settle because you have no choice. Everyone settles to a certain degree. Nobody gets their perfect partner they envision in their heads, because they don't exist. And the older you get, the more you settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:28 PM
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If you're a fifty year old who requires a woman to be a virgin or have N<=3, you have to settle or be single forever. If you're a fifty year old who wants to have children naturally, without the use of fertility aids, you have to be hot enough to attract someone half your age (impossible for most), or settle. If you're a fifty year old who wants someone who's both physically attractive and has little to no romantic experience, you're going to have to settle or else you'll be single forever. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:22 PM
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Both of you are overcomplicating it. Go outside and tell literally anybody you don't want to get an education, you don't want to go to work, you don't want to contribute to your family and relationships, and you're too much of a coward to protect yourself. Anybody, man or woman, will just laugh in your face and call you a child. Gender equality is not synonymous with gender role liberation. All that happened is that male gender roles now apply equally to men and women, and therefore cease being …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:17 PM
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It means they don't HAVE to. The last time I checked people who refuse to work end up homeless as well as those who refuse to protect themselves ending up very dead. I think you fundamentally misunderstand what I mean. Just because we live in a gender egalitarian society doesn't mean the need for workers and providers went away. It just means instead of those roles being gendered, they now equally apply to everybody, and we all get to be miserable together. Now everybody is expected to go to wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:07 PM
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What we need to do is normalize men being alone. Not every guy is going to be paired up and that’s okay! This assumes sexuality is something entirely socially conditioned and not biological. It is true that in a modern society, human sexuality is a complex interplay between social, cultural, religious, and biological factors, but arguing that socially normalizing men being unpaired overfocuses on the social and cultural aspects but ignores the biological ones. Just because you aren't writing cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 06:48 AM
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Oh ok. So you're challenging my more fatalistic portrayal of dating as it exists for a specific subgroup of men by instead affirming an optimistic view instead, whereupon anyone can improve their chances regardless of age, circumstance, or life experiences? I'd say that's a very bold claim, and point to the lack of evidence that just anyone can "improve dating prospects" in a meaningful way sufficient to attract a partner they actually desire. To use a very absurd and extreme example to illustra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 06:06 AM
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Well, I use "love" here to mean specifically romantic love, or love within a sexual and romantic connection between a man and a woman (I feel like homosexual romantic dynamics are off topic for this sub, because they follow entirely different rules and social etiquettes). So men who fail to find romantic relationships aren't loved insomuch as they aren't loved romantically. Sure, they may have other forms of love, but the main thrust and direction of my inquiry is focused on romance. I do think …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 06:02 AM
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Liberating men from gender roles, in my personal observation, doesn't actually liberate men from male gender roles or provider roles. It just universalizes male gender expectations to where it's now expected for *both* men and women to be independent and competent providers. So in practice, men are held to the same standards they've always been since the beginning of civilized society, and now women are held to male standards too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:47 AM
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and use that experience to find a better one. This line right here proves you either didn't fully read my comment, or it went over your head lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:42 AM
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That's interesting. Would you agree then with the proposition that we, as a moral and inclusive society, should stop glorifying love and romantic connection as something universally available to everyone then, and instead reinterpret it as a gift that some people are called for, that not everyone will get? That way, if you're one of those men, at least you're not surrounded by propaganda that says it's normal and expected to find love at some point in your life, so you aren't misled into thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:41 AM
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I'm not redpill. I'm Roman-pilled. I never said men rise in value as they age. I think men exist to live a moral and virtuous life according to natural good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:37 AM
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These people would have been single anyway. So...redpill is right when they say each generation produces a surplus of men who don't reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:37 AM
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Of course being single and finding a partner gets harder as the years go by The problem is some guys have been single for way too long and their dating pool becomes extremely limited, at least as far as partners they can realistically attract, so their choices are to either settle, or to permanently give up. Therefore, you should reframe the situation to be more accurate, because for many men it's not a choice between settling for someone you're not enthusiastic about and being single for a whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:15 AM
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It's the most prominent here vs the rest of the world, but yes he's correct it's originally a protestant thing and not uniquely an American thing. The only reason I was never kicked out of the house at 18 is because I had to explain it would literally be impossible for me to go to college if I moved out then, because I would have gotten no help and I absolutely refuse to borrow money and go into $50k+ in debt as an 18 year old just barely figuring it out, not even knowing what I wanted to do at …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:29 PM
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Yeah. There's definitely a lot of nuance involved, because for example certain US blue states have gun laws which are so strict it's easier to own a firearm in Russia than it is in California for example. But I was always of the impression things like AKs and M16s aren't legal in the EU, but apparently I'm wrong, and humbly stand corrected. How difficult is it to go through the process of getting those legally where you're at? I'm under no false impression these are actually inalienable rights i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:26 PM
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Honestly? Not too bad! Thank you for asking. I'm still at home, but I graduate in 2-3 semesters now, I have no debt, fully own my own used car, enough money saved to buy a new one in cash if I really wanted to, a stable job that lets me save while I study, and I'm going to flight school to get my PPL and IFR after I graduate as well as pursuing certifications in tech to keep my career portfolio diversified. Additionally, I've got fulfilling and enjoyable hobbies that keep me occupied, I've been …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:19 PM
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Not really. People around me did date when I was in high school, but at the time I just thought they weren't serious relationships and people just wanted casual sex. I thought and was told for something more serious, a guy had to be more established. I live in an American suburb where the individualist Protestant work ethic is still a common sentiment here. When my sister graduated, she went to university right away because my parents paid for her tuition and dorm. But I was expected to pay for …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:02 PM
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Also, keep in mind that in the US it's a thing of pride to acknowledge how many guns you have. In Europe it's a better idea not to say anything in some countries. This also has an effect on statistics (call it shy gun owner if you want). Honestly it sounds like it would get along with the average European gun owner than the American one, because here most of them don't have an identity outside of pickup trucks, Trumpism, and 2A. I own guns because I think they're a neat hobby and I like to shoot…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:12 PM
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Yeah. It's the AKs and the M16s I'd be worried about if I tried to own my stuff in EU. I'm sure anywhere that lets you own guns would allow bolt actions maybe with the exception of the bayonets lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:43 PM
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Aren't 30-round magazines banned throughout the EU though? I've got a bunch of Kalashnikovs in addition to 5 round bolt actions from both world wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:01 PM
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Maybe implement the KMT solution to landlords.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:04 PM
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What country in Europe are you where you can own guns? Half my firearms would be outright illegal in most of the EU.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:02 PM
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u/kongeriket pointed out comments where she allegedly admitted to being a government agent. If true, it would indeed explain a lot. She is genuinely, literally, unintelligent and unimpressive however. Throughout the entire time I engaged with her last night, she frequently accused me of holding a religious and fundamentalist interpretation of biology and sexual reproduction whereupon I believe the success of a sexual strategy is determined by its morality. That is, she accuses me of arguing that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:50 AM
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Yeah tell me about it. I've put off dating for my entire life because I was raised with the expectation that a man should move out, have his own house/place, car, and stable income first before he welcomes a woman into his life. I'm just coming to grips with the fact I got scammed and now I have to go back and work on emotional maturity and cope with lost opportunities when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:48 AM
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Lol she thinks I'm arguing according to religious belief because she obfuscates my position arguing for the need to apply moral frameworks and judgement onto reproductive strategies in order for them to be acceptable in a civil society to...arguing for a religiously fundamentalist interpretation of biological processes whereupon the biologically success of an organism is contingent upon how holy it is or how blessed it is by god. Complete fucking strawman argument that's emblematic of the kind o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:37 AM
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Wouldn't describe her as neoliberal. That's a term which has uniquely economic connotations rooted in the Reagan era market reforms. It's a school of capitalism which emerged from the late cold war. Instead, she's just a typical entitled brat in the body of an adult who wants to have her cake and eat it too. I haven't been able to gleam a single coherent position from four hours of debating her other than she appeals to nature whenever it suits her, such as subjecting men in a sexual competition…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:22 AM
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My only embarrassment is wasting four hours of my time arguing with a pretentious terminally online midwit and ideological coward with the approximate maturity level of a man half her age and an inability to formulate even a single coherent thought inside that dense golem you call a head.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:18 AM
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I would find more intellectual humility from a man who lives in a fucking barrel who masturbates in public than from the likes of you. But go on, keep blowing smoke up your own ass and preaching about the virtues of "logic" while parading around her inability to hold a logical discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:13 AM
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She's the kind of disingenuous poseur who adamantly denies arguing natural selection and evolution are "perfect" just because she didn't use the specific word, yet by her own language describes it as having no flaws. You can't reason with people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:11 AM
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I don't need to lie about your words when they're here for anybody reading this thread to see. I've highlighted the relevant comments on multiple occasions and rightfully called you out for bad-faith argumentation, appeal-to-nature fallacy, and a reductionist and simplistic understanding of biological determinism. You accuse me of being a liar because you're both a pretentious pseudo-intellectual who argues for the purposes of being right and not to have your views challenged, and an ideological…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:07 AM
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The ad-hominems already began...hahahahahahahahahahaahahha my fucking sides!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:29 AM
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I feel like we are having two entirely separate discussions and just talking past each other without listening to what the other person is actually writing, because you seemingly aren't interested in engaging with what I write, but instead what you imagine for me. I'm not arguing that there is a direct relationship between the morality of a reproductive tactic and its success and viability in the natural world, and neither did I invoke any set of religious beliefs in any single on of my comments…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:26 AM
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What the fuck does any of that have to do with my original criticism that if you believe we shouldn't judge or apply moral reasoning to reproductive strategies, then we would condone the means by which those very people became reproductively successful in the first place? Again, I'm not interested in making descriptive claims about natural biological processes. I'm well aware that the most reproductively successful men are violent conquerors and rulers. In fact, I was the first person who said t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:56 AM
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I'm under no obligation to answer questions given in bad faith by a disingenuous and clearly illiterate interlocutor who has demonstrated a consistent pattern of failing to engage with logical arguments as presented without either side-tracking into irrelevant tangents, distracting from the criticism with red-herring arguments, and consistently erects and addresses strawman arguments in place of actual arguments as given. I literally already acknowledged in a previous comment that Genghis Khan w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:38 AM
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Now comes the ad-hominem. Top fucking kek. Poseur.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:29 AM
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Your brigade is just a clownshow at this point. Uh huh. Says the ideological coward lashing out like an overly emotional and petulant child when confronted with her own arguments and even right now are attempting to side track and divert attention from the original criticism being made. You both made the claim that reproductive processes are flawless, and that we shouldn't apply moral reasoning or judgement onto them because they are natural processes which occur beyond moral reasoning. Don't de…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:28 AM
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You literally argued against applying moral judgement or reasoning to reproductive strategies based on the reality that they are natural processes that operate independently of human concepts of moral reasoning or fairness. It's not my fault you're terrible at expressing yourself and you have a poor understanding and grasp of the English language. I can even run your comment word for word into AI and get the same interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:24 AM
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In case you're blissfully unaware, this is the same sub. You're reacting like a hysterical loser when confronted with your own words and you're attempting to castigate me by lashing out and putting words in my mouth which I never wrote. Seems to be a commonly recurring theme with you. Apparently I apply religious ideology to mating and reproduction, and argue for redistributing women to men and stripping women of their autonomy, yet you can't point to a single comment which I wrote today where I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:15 AM
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ridiculous lie Refuting you is so fucking easy this is borderline cheating. Anthropic Assistant GPT-4o Claude AI If three different language-learning models are in unanimous agreement that you claiming "there are no flaws in sexual reproduction, only design," means you're directly claiming they're flawless and infallible processes, the problem is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:09 AM
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You don't have a legitimate criticism. You are attempting to force religious ideology on a biological process which exists outside a sociopolitical framework. Ok, at this point, I'm convinced you're either trolling and purposely attempting to waste my time, illiterate, or English isn't your native language, because nowhere in any of my comments did I attempt to make descriptive claims about natural biological processes based on religious belief. My entire position, and the focus and thrust of my…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:01 AM
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Wow. I have to commend your ability go write for me a lengthy word salad and an emotionally contrived diatribe without answering even a single legitimate criticism I levied against your position. All you've managed to do in that entire irrelevant tangent was to double down on your position without answering or refuting even a single criticism I wrote while simultaneously insisting on your hilarious and cringe strawman caricatures you've erected for me in my place. You cannot quote me as saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:12 AM
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What is with people on here making strawman arguments? I didn't say that. The person I responded to portrays appeal to nature arguments as "male" arguments, and therefore I pointed to an example of a woman using the very same logic. Nothing more. I actually find grounds to agree with women when they call out this particular woman for the same reason I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:30 AM
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You seem to be limited either by an inability to read, or to engage with a logical argument as it is presented without altering it to a different claim so you can refute it. The issue then is you aren't arguing against me, but arguments you raise yourself, and you're effectively debating yourself in my place. The problem is I never made any affirmative claims in this entire exchange as my entire position has been one of criticism towards your flawed and reductionist stance that natural and sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:21 AM
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Either just want to troll, just want to get a reaction out of the opposite gender perceiving themselves in a divisive gender war, or just want to be right for its own sake. You're absolutely right that it's better to disengage from those kinds of people or to not take what they say very seriously, because they argue in bad faith and demonstrate they're perfectly willing to contradict themselves in an effort to be right for its own sake, and not because they're willing to actually challenge their…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:07 AM
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I agree actually lol, at least she's not a logically coherent one if she consciously identifies as one. In her defense though, I don't think she's even arguing from a logically coherent position. She argued that "sexual reproduction is neither moral nor immoral. The processes in place work, that’s why you and I are here." I countered that position by affirming that we do, indeed, apply and assess reproductive tactics and strategies according to moralistic lenses, or else we would not condemn rap…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:04 AM
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I fully understand. I stopped taking her opinion seriously when she legitimately attempted to argue Genghis Khan employed legitimate means to become reproductively successful in an effort to be right and to defend her original position at all costs. In one comment she told me we should not apply morality to sexuality and reproductive strategies, but in another comment she...made a moralistic argument to condemn an alternative sexual/dating solution I never actually made. To say the least...I sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:56 PM
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She defended feminism in previous comments in different days. However even if she wasn't, the original comment I was responding to addressed 'appeal to nature' fallacy as male argumentation, and therefore I provided a counter-example of a woman using it. ...in her latest comment she accused me of advocating for solutions which either restrict women's autonomy, or subjugates women with "beastly ways to treat women," ...while in the same comment affirming Genghis Khan employed legitimate means of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:51 PM
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You should learn to engage with an argument without making strawman rebuttals. It both makes your position weak, and makes you appear as someone who's unserious and incapable of holding a rational engagement. The idea that we should account for women's suffering when we assess dating, reproductive, and inter-sexual dynamics is a moral argument, and not a naturalistic one, thus undercuts you previous assertion that we should disregard morality and ethics in matters of sexual reproduction. The maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:42 PM
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There's literally a woman on here claiming that natural and sexual selection are flawless right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:32 PM
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So rape, conquest, and outright killing your sexual competition is a valid and legitimate reproductive strategy? Why keep assigning morality to genetics? Because I observe that every civilized society applies moral limits to reproductive tactics even if they may be successful from a purely naturalistic perspective. Therefore, it is a reasonable position that we can judge reproductive behavior through moral lenses as much as we can biological ones. Unless you're arguing we should return to litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:26 PM
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If there are no flaws in sexual reproduction, then surely it's not a flaw that Genghis Khan was the single most reproductively successful man who lived?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:07 PM
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Except we do assign morality to mating and reproduction, or else we would not punish and condemn things like rape, harems, cheating, bride napping, grooming, huge age gaps, pedophilia, etc. The most reproductively successful men are all rapists and conquerors. Monogamy is completely irrational from a purely naturalistic view. Its origins are entirely cultural and moral. I don't think appealing to nature is the direction you want to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:59 PM
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Is this like, a roundabout way of you claiming it's other men ruining it for men who don't want to have to compete with tens of thousands or millions of other men to get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:51 PM
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Marriage in medieval times was a family issue and not so much an individual issue between the people getting married. Your parents arguably had greater say in who you married than you actually did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:45 PM
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This is not a coherent or well-reasoned response to anything I wrote above, and feels more like a reactionary doubling down than a refutation of any point I made. I don't care about what you subjectively believe. I care that how you got there is flawed, ahistorical, and based on a reductionist and simplistic understanding of human history that's clouded by an ideological and presentism bias. Just because you acknowledge your bias doesn't make it go away, or make your reasoning anymore well groun…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:24 AM
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1) Human history spans a lot longer than two centuries. If your view of the world is based on two centuries, and you judge the past based on the values and ethical norms of the standards, then that is presentism bias. It's a simplistic and reductionist view of the world which lacks nuance and applies a rigid standard onto how human civilizations and societies work, ignorant to the fact that our understanding of ethics and what constitutes a just society is something that's always changing. Again…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:02 PM
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Thank you for proving my point that you argue with rhetoric instead of engaging with the point with a logical argument. You have a two dimensional and ahistorical view of the world blinded by an indissoluble dogmatism in liberal ideology projected as an impersonal reality of nature and not a personal theory of ethics originating from a specific cultural, material, and intellectual context. Reasoning with you is worthless, because it's as arguing with a parrot who echoes what he hears without a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:23 PM
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Uh huh. Yeah. You got me there. Can't win against someone who argues with rhetoric in place of logic and lives in a detached alternative reality where any displacement from egalitarian humanism is Fascism. Democracy is so good at winning that it exists as an exception and not a rule in human history, and is apparently so vulnerable people need to be thought policed to preserve democracy. Wow. Definitely looking forward to the US Navy becoming a series of wreckage underneath the Persian gulf and …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:57 PM
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You should act secure if you're going to accuse anyone else of being insecure. Announcing to me that you think I'm evil makes you look weaker than if you had simply disengaged and stopped commenting, because the former still implies you give my opinion weight. What? You want me to approve that you think I'm evil? Well...fine I guess. I'm not apologetic to or have sympathy for your moral framework either. But you're the one responding to me on my comments and not vice versa. And being called a Fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:46 PM
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Stick to one subject, please. I'm not going to entertain you reframing the discussion to accommodate your inability to argue. I think that ancient Greece represents the zenith of cultural, religious, and intellectual achievement of the entire western world that is unmatched by its legacy until the renaissance in western Europe, and that the modern world as it exists today is spiritually decrepit, hollow, and fundamentally nihilistic in character compared to our ancient counterparts. I also think…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:30 PM
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I never said medieval lords were loyal to "the state," because statehood as we understand it didn't exist in the medieval world. You should demonstrate basic literacy before you accuse other people of being poorly educated unless you're intentionally presenting yourself as a jackass, in which case you're performing spectacularly. I said medieval lords were more benevolent than modern states, and were far more accommodating towards their subjects than modern politicians are to their constituents.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:17 PM
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1) The black plague didn't last the entire medieval period, which spanned roughly from 800 AD to 1500 AD. 2) There's nothing wrong with being a farmer working on land surrounded by family. In fact, I'd rather be doing that right now. Oops, the local baron actually needs your winter stock pile The majority of medieval lords and royalty were more benevolent and loyal to their people than modern states are to theirs. We just highlight the ones who weren't because they're noteworthy to study. Feudal…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:56 PM
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Why do you assume you'll be an Athenian oligarch/philosopher I assume I'll be a normal fucking person, because most people in any time period were normal people. I'm saying being a normal person in Greece was better than being a normal person today, spiritually and morally. Projecting yourself onto the bottom caste tells me nothing other than you see yourself the most in solidarity with slaves, betraying how you view yourself. Even right now you can't point to anything that makes the modern worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:37 PM
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Why do you always project yourself as a slave any time you imagine a time period you existed, if you aren't already one spiritually? It's also very telling you think going to war to die for something is edgy. If self-sacrifice is something so foreign to you then we have nothing in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:11 PM
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Reread my post again but slowly this time. I was literally talking about myself too. No need to be hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:05 PM
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A lot of men would claim men like you don’t exist or you’re just coping because you can’t get casual sex. I have a six pack and probably have a more athletic and trained figure than many dudes on here who think it's a "print free sex" card lol. The reason I don't get casual sex is because I'm introverted (athletic men can be shy, shocking) and don't go out of my way to look for it. I also know myself to know that even if I was offered casual sex, if I accepted it, I'd trade 30-45 minutes of plea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:38 AM
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I used a personal example to make a point. I'm actually open to premarital sex because I'm high libido, but I have to see her as relationship worthy first and that's a non-negotiable. I'm uninterested in sleeping with a woman with whom I don't see a future with, which means I have to be emotionally invested in you first. Therefore, no hookups, and no ONS. I'd be totally okay with waiting for marriage if we still lived in a time men got married at 16 and inherited an estate (when no sex before ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:15 AM
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Which woman? You? My mother? Or the woman I'm trying to attract? I'm uninterested in a date with a woman who entertains an "us vs them" mindset, or who looks for relationships based on what she personally gets out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:09 AM
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This is probably it. I'm confident in my looks and my appearances, regularly work out, and my clothes fit me well, but I'd attribute the reason I've always been single to the fact I'm just not on the market and never put myself out there. Men or women, you're not going to get into a relationship, either a serious or a casual one, if the #1 place you stay after work, school, or anywhere else you have obligations is home.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:04 AM
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But honestly no man has ever asked me about my sexual history just my relationship history. Like what’s the longest and why did it end and what did I learn, etc Personally I agree directly asking someone how many people he/she has slept with is distasteful when first getting to know someone. I would indirectly ask, but would probably word it as "sex is something intimate for me and something I am only interested in exploring with someone I'm emotionally interested in, because I was raised in a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:56 PM
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I can totally understand that. The problem is that how men value sex isn't going to change how a woman values sex. Any man I've had casual sex with was no more valuable to me than a sex toy. So it's a bit of a red flag when a man says he wants a relationship but then complains that he's not being treated like a hookup. If he wants to be treated like a toy, he can be. But that's antithetical to being in a relationship. If it's easier for you to have sex with men with whom you don't want a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:51 PM
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Prioritizing yourself over anybody who'd date you is a surefire way to stay single, or at least being deserving of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:31 PM
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Honestly, the only time I’ve slept with someone on the first date (and that only happened a couple of times) I knew immediately I thought they were hot but not a serious person. I saw zero future beyond casual sex. I didn’t want to get to know them more. I wanted to sleep with them immediately and then several more times and move on with my life. If a man wants a LTR but is also someone who closely associates sex with intimacy, then he's going to view it as a red flag you had sex with someone yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:29 PM
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I have a question for you. In good faith, I promise, I'm actually genuinely curious: would you date a woman who had hookups in the past if she's not withholding sex? Not him, but from my perspective, any self-respecting man who also associates sex with intimacy (to make it abundantly clear I'm not talking about men who want casual hookups) will automatically be insulted by a partner who sleeps with casual partners sooner and easier than with him, and there is no way to control for this other tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:25 PM
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Well...I did say freedom of expression in a tangible and observable way and not freedom of expression as embodied in law for that reason. In other words, you have freedom of expression in Russia in the sense you can say things there that would get you either deplatformed, doxxed, canceled, and possibly homeless in the west, and with the primary restrictions on speech being open criticism of the state itself. Other than that, the Russian government genuinely doesn't care what you think in private…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:01 PM
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Strange given I've been studying the language for the last few years and just came back from living in that region. I'm anti-democratic though so sure. Guilty as charged as far as "ultra unorthodox" goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:47 PM
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I'm not talking about the general population of Afghanistan lol. I'm specifically talking about the Taliban themselves - people with something to actually fight and kill for. Most men need a cause that's greater than life they're willing to catch a bullet or a sword to the face for. Without it they become demoralized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:43 PM
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Just imagine a person from any other time period learning about today's world: "You have food, safety, cures for most illnesses, a place to stay, justice, you can look at sexy naked ladies anytime for free, but the only downside is you have to work a safe boring job Monday-Friday 9 to 5, and actually go outside if you want friends?". These are what make life more comfortable, not worth living for. Safety, cures for illness, shelter...and porn I guess, aren't things which make you actually want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:25 PM
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By successful, I mean it's the economy which modernized the most rapidly and quicker than any other nation in recorded history, and elevated the most number of people out of poverty of every country in the world, all while closing the technological gap with the most dominant economic and military superpower, and very soon the military gap as well. No other country has been able to emulate at any time the level of rapid technological and economic development as what China underwent from the 1980s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:45 PM
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I'm 2nd generation southeast Asian living in the US lol. But I was raised catholic so I have religious continuity with ancient Rome itself, and by extension ancient Greece.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:37 PM
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Roman culture indeed heavily emphasized honor, but was also a popular culture which focused on citizenship, community, and the citizen's duty to his city as the cornerstone of everyday life. To the ancient Romans and Greeks, the individualism we profess today would be alien and unknowable to them, because they make sense of personal identity through language, way of life, religion, and your profession (or specifically what services you offer to your community at large). Therefore, to the Romans,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:20 PM
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