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misandryGarfish16/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 01:50 AM
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HumourGarfish16/r/MensRights18/12/22 12:27 AM
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I guess I should specify that I mean the coalition that people call liberal in the USA. Liberalism still has stuff to offer but the liberals in my country are exceptionally corrupt and comically ineffective relative to liberals globally and historically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 10:52 PM
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I feel liberals don't offer much of anything to much of anyone these days.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:31 AM
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I think the political discourse around gender has not substantively advanced in my adult lifetime even though the material conditions have advanced substantially. I think time is a flat circle and we just keep going round and round and round repeating the same cycles of discourse and same arguments over and over and over and over and over. I think I am living in a groundhog day-esque purgatory but Rita is yelling at me about a 50 year old grievance and there is no escape.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:28 AM
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Well, that is horrible. I just can't imagine being the kind of person who witnesses a mass tragedy and immediately thinks "how can I make this about my in-group?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 04:45 AM
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I'm not sure but I think it would mostly comes down to numbers. On average the manosphere is way more agregous but feminism is way more mainstream. 10 years ago I would have said feminism without hesitation but since then it feels like every high school and college boy I talked to has some major manosphere influence. The same thing is true if we think about it in terms of power. Feminists have been dominant for decades, but at this point they mostly fight for preserving small anti-egalitarian po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 10:34 PM
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I am a misanthrope. People are terrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 03:09 PM
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I'm not black and I'm not in these social spaces. In your experience where does this stuff come from?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:52 AM
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♥️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 09:16 PM
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Have you read the study? I doubt that 95.1% of men said yes to the question "Do you admit to using at least one tactic or strategy to sleep with a woman who didn't consent?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 07:32 AM
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Most young women would call themselves feminists if asked, citing the freedom to work or vote. I think this is basically not true and kind of degrades feminism as a historical movement and dead ideology. Feminists advocate for women or females if they are TERFS. They care about discrimination against women, women's access to contraception and abortion, women's wealth and income, preventing violence against women, and improving the lives of women broadly. This is true anecdotally but there are al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 03:02 AM
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This really is the problem. Talking about patriarchy with feminists feels a bit like talking about the Soviet Union with someone who's been cowering in a nuclear bunker for the last 60 years. Some of the arguments are outdated, some of them were always wrong, and some of them are nonsense, but all of them are motivated by a reality that has not meaningfully existed for decades.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 02:08 AM
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1350 the white supremacists wryly observed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 09:04 PM
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The video actually talks about this briefly in the first couple minutes. It then goes on to give you fairly specific advice that attempts to address a specific problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 01:08 AM
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Men are not ignored because they support Andrew Tate, they support Andrew Tate because they are abandoned I think Adam would probably agree with this but. You should try watching the video.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 01:06 AM
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I don't think you watched the video.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 01:05 AM
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I agree with you about dating being unfair to men but this video isn't trying to address that. Adam isn't saying the system is good or bad, he's just telling you how to succeed within it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 01:02 AM
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I completely disagree with your assessment of the video. I don't think all the advice is good but I really like the tone and format. The advice is prescriptive, concrete, and practical. For the most part Adam is not talking about what's wrong, why it is wrong, or who is to blame. He is giving specific steps to achieve a goal that a lot of young men have but struggle to achieve. I love that even if I don't 100% agree with everything he says. Also, the video is not left wing. Adam is left-wing but…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 01:00 AM
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So I just looked over their recent press releases about Ukraine, Gaza and Sudan. This post is misleading. The only quote from any of the press releases that is similar to this post comes from their press release on Sudan Children and women are the primary victims of this conflict. Which, in context, is kind of just true. It's definitely true for children. Everything I've read suggests that the large majority of the deaths in Sudan have been from starvation and other forms of deprivation which di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 02:49 AM
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She's a libertarian Twitter journalist. You can't shame that kind of person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 04:29 AM
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I mean yeah that's literally what they're for. For a long time there were private Facebook groups for doxing men in basically every city. As Facebook continues to decline I'm not surprised to see a replacement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 06:58 AM
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This reminds me of something I was thinking about recently. I think the problem you're experiencing stems from the conflation of social progressives and economic leftists in politics and discourse. The people you're talking to may or may not be leftists, but the thing that animates their politics is social progressivism and fighting the culture war. To them rhetorically decentering social issues in favor of more popular and mainstream economic issues means they have lost even if centering econom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 04:04 PM
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I get the impression that you are a single mother. I was raised by a single mother. I agree with your point about the gender power imbalance but I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. Whether or not girls will like them is as much luck as skill. Make sure they take care of and invest in themselves. If you want to get women it helps to be hot, charismatic, and socially valuable. Encourage them to date in their teens so get used to rejection and hopefully experience some degree of success. Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 02:40 AM
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In other news, people who were taught to say please are more likely to say please.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/25 08:02 PM
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This needs to be corrected every time it is said. "Old school feminism" was not about equality. The first and second wave feminists occasionally used concepts like equality in their propaganda but it was not emphasized in internal discourse at the time and is not focuses on in the literature. Historically feminism has been about advocacy for the prospectives and interests of women. Equality only became a big talking point in the last few decades as women have started to pass men in various ways.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 07:24 AM
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Men's rights. There are lots of things we should learn from feminism. One is that, like feminism, we should center our experience and perspective in our analysis and advocacy. This inclines me to men's rights over men's liberation for 2 reasons. First, men call it men's rights so I call it men's rights. Simple as that. Second, in practice your characterization of men's liberation is correct but importantly it all happens within a feminist framework. In other words it decenters the male perspecti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 07:03 AM
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I think he's mostly just coping with grief. I'm trying to give myself and others some time and space.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/24 03:54 PM
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I got you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 12:12 AM
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Most promises made by a political campaign are not fulfilled or only partly fulfilled. I still think it's important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 12:09 AM
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No, the crypto shit if fucking ridiculous. Backing crypto to help black men is like backing mlms to help suburban white women. It might be appealing but it's definitely not helpful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 11:53 PM
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Yes... And that's good right? If you want to have influence over a politician you need them to see you as an important but losable part of their coalition. The Democrats could and should do more for men generally and black men specifically, but the fact that they are starting to think of us as an important demographic block that must be listened to and taken care of is a step in the right direction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 11:50 PM
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It's cool to see someone openly acknowledging that we need more men in grade school education. Teaching as a profession has a lot of problems in the United States but representation is still important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 11:46 PM
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Unironic everyone I don't like is a rapist. Very Trumpian. A real horseshoe theory moment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 04:38 PM
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It’s counter productive to introduce the idea of toxic femininity but not toxic masculinity? Saw this post and thought of you. The comments perfectly exemplify both the fact that feminists understand that misandry and toxic femininity are a thing and the fact that they reeeeeeally don't want to talk about it in public.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/24 12:55 PM
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It’s counter productive to introduce the idea of toxic femininity but not toxic masculinity? To feminists, Yeah absolutely. External criticism would be counterproductive to their goals. I prefer that we keep consistency. You can prefer whatever you like but if you want to understand other people's politics you have to do so on their terms. Expecting women to conform to their gender roles is seen as misogyny. Therefore, it makes more sense to label the male equivalent as misandry. I think this is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 10:30 PM
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Masculine gender roles in general are not the same as toxic masculinity. Toxic femininity is a thing but it's not talked about very much because feminists have dominated the conversation about gender and their goal is to promote the interests and perspectives of women. Within feminist literature there are critiques of toxic femininity you don't hear those critiques because feminists understand that introducing those ideas into the general discourse is counter to their political and social goals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 08:08 PM
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This is false - masculinity is the qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men or boys. Obviously there are such qualities that are indeed characteristic of men of boys (on average), such as relatively high testosterone levels, but many are merely based on sexist preconceptions with no strong scientific backing. I asked you for an example that fit your definition not an example that did not fit your definition. If you prefer I can just tell you what toxic masculine it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 04:53 PM
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Misandry is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men and boys. Yes good I agree. "Toxic masculinity" generally refers to masculinity that is artificially constructed according to sexist preconceptions of men. This is a useless definition of toxic masculinity because it means all masculinity is toxic masculinity. All conceptions of masculinity are artificially constructed and sexist and preconceptions about men. Come up with a better definition or give me an example of an element of masc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 03:48 PM
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I always know I'm dealing with someone childish when they feel the need to both comment and downvote. Go respond substantively in the other thread where I'm trying to have an actual conversation with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 03:27 PM
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Sorry typo I meant misandry. When you say misandry and toxic masculinity what do you mean. What do those words mean to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 03:18 PM
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A lot of people on this sub don't like the term toxic masculinity because it's a thing feminist say. The term has become a bit of a floating signifier and it does have some really bad history within the feminist movement but I think it's useful in understanding how male stereotypes hurt them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 02:31 PM
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No I'm not. Misogyny and toxic masculinity are different things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 02:27 PM
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I think the thing you're identifying is not exactly misandry. Conservatives usually support traditional gender roles and traditional gender roles are extremely harmful to men. There are also elements of misery, like conservatives willingness to throw men's lives away in war and see us die in pursuit of profit for capitalist. MGM is another excelent example. That's different from the soul crushing social expectations conservatives have of men. As odd as this may sound I think the thing you're tal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 06:37 AM
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Don't respond, it hurts you and generally helps no one. What she saying is not true but it also does not matter. If you are responding to this you're doing it for one of two reasons. 1) You're trying to convince people that follow this woman. These people are imbeciles. Rational arguments are pointless and intelligence is counterproductive. You should make emotional arguments. You need to come across a sympathetic while making her look like a b**** without directly calling her a b****. 2) It's c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 06:05 AM
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Oops
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 12:09 AM
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They seem to have removed your comment. Any explanation as to why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/24 08:30 PM
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It seems like you don't have a good understanding of the most defensible version of toxic masculinity. That best version is that toxic masculinity is a set of expectations of men that harm men and are bad for society. Practically, the term has become a floating signifier. It generally points to a criticism of men or masculinity but it has no stable referent. Sometimes people use it in the way I just described and sometimes they use it in the way you're describing. My point here is not to defend …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/24 04:12 PM
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Never heard even one feminist discuss maternal mortality except in the context of how a leading cause of death among pregnant women is murder by the father. I have heard about this in two contexts that have nothing to do with men. First, American feminists will often complain about the fact that America has some of the worst maternal mortality rates of any OECD country and our rates are getting worse while most OECD countries rates are getting better. Second, feminists who advocate for women aro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 06:40 AM
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Frequently, like when feminists complain about maternal mortality or political under representation. Women face a lot of problems in society. I find the kind of rhetoric displayed in the linked post happens when people are trying to minimize or naturalize the social issues faced by an out group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 11:07 PM
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The top comment mentioned April Wilkens so I looked her up and read most of the Wikipedia article on her along with some primary sources. It was very interesting. She is a woman who killed her ex-boyfeiend, drug dealer, sugar daddy, abuser, and rapist Terry Carlton in 1998. She tried to excuse her killing in court by arguing she had Battered Woman Syndrome, a kind of insanity defence. While some of her unsupported testimony seems pretty dubious, especially around their drug use and the stalking …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 07:38 AM
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Reminds me of this reply I saw earlier this week. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomenNoCensor/s/mcoU5pICRh I think when feminists start grasping at straws or wildly postulating phrenology level pseudoscience to justify inequality you just need to laugh and disengage. There's no point in trying to argue with them or debunk their reasoning because they don't hold the views they espouse based on the reasoning they articulate. Instead, they synthesize the reasoning based on their preconceptions. It's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 05:18 AM
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In Western society, I think there are a lot more women who will retreat into their identity and lash out when criticized then there are black people or queer people. Everybody does it. If you don't believe me go criticize a Groyper for being racist and see how they react. The difference is that women are a more numerous and socially dominant group than black people or queer people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 07:07 AM
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Unironic good intersectional analysis here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 05:58 AM
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Sorry. I shouldn't have said you.
/r/MensRights21/03/24 06:58 PM
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If you condemn that, you have to condemn female predators in the same way. If your primary goal is advocating for women there is no contradiction. You will never understand feminism until you accept that it is not gender egalitarian.
/r/MensRights21/03/24 02:19 AM
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I'm always curious how they define incel in studies like these.
/r/MensRights04/03/24 01:42 PM
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So then it's not a mindset and it's not a permanent condition. When you said those things you were just wrong. Now it's your belief that most of the people who are involuntarily celibate actually just need to... do what? What exactly is your advice for the tens of millions of people who cannot get sex even though they are trying but do not meet your standard for bad traits?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 05:32 PM
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Are you saying that being poor or ugly or anxious are voluntary? Do people choose to be poor? Before you said someone was not involuntarily celibate if they eventually have sex at some point in the future even if they cannot get sex today. Given that we cannot know the future, how do you identify a real incel?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 04:22 PM
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What do you mean real incels? Do you know what the word involuntary means?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 04:13 PM
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I saw this video the other day. It is an absolute banger. I can't believe I didn't think of posting it here. The sub needs more overtly leftist content.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 03:40 PM
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By that standard someone who could not access sex for a decade even though they were trying then got sex would retroactively have not been involuntarily celibate for the last 10 years. I don't think that makes any sense or reflects how that word is used. Just because someone is involuntarily celibate doesn't mean they are destined to be involuntarily celibate for the rest of their life. Edit: It's like being poor. Just because you're poor now doesn't mean you'll be poor forever and being poor ob…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 03:14 PM
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No, it wasn't. You answered the question, "is there a disproportionate bias for women in the family court system?" Now stop being so weasley and answer the question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 03:57 AM
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That's not an answer to my question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 03:45 AM
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Setting aside all of your random unrelated grievances, is it your view that there is no ways in which men are favored in any court system, even in a hyper specific case like what I described?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 03:37 AM
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This is going to be hyper specific. I read a law review article, I can't seem to find it now, that found divorced men are significantly more likely to succeed in arguing for parental alienation than their female counterparts. In other words judges are significantly more likely to believe women are talking shit about their ex-husbands to their children than they are to believe that men are talking shit about their ex-wives to their children. Frankly, I think this is a highly intuitive point and I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 01:45 AM
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The short answer is that courts favor man in some ways and disfavor us in other ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 12:24 AM
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Yes, which is why it's so sad that some people identify as incells and so horrible that some others try and pretend it is a political self identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 01:49 PM
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To sexually exploit someone is materially gain something by using someone else for sex. Coercion is the act of compelling someone into an action. Coercion through material deprivation is to coerc someone into an action by withholding or threatening to withhold something that they need. The most classic example of this is capitalism where people are coerced into working jobs they would not otherwise do through the threat of being deprived of food, housing, health, etc. These are all things people…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 01:45 PM
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Being involuntarily celibate is a social condition not a self-identity. It is not something anyone chooses. It is something society has done to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:50 PM
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This is nice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 03:44 AM
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If I understand you correctly, your argument is that the sexual exploitation of men is okay because coercion stemming from material deprivation does not count. If that is your argument, you are not left-wing and not an advocate for men. You should really change your flare to something less misleading. Edit: I understand that you are redefining all of those words to try to make your argument appear less horrible, but I'm using them in their conventional sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 05:21 AM
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Yes, because the paternal grandparents get to have far less of a role in their grandchildren's lives. I was wondering if this was true so I looked it up and it is. There are studies showing maternal grandparents are the ones closer to their grandchildren dating back almost 30 years, if not more. Second, *why* are the paternal grandparents less involved? It seems like it might be a consequence of mothers being the primary care giver more often than a father, so this might change as more father ta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 09:48 PM
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It prepares a young man to see intimate relations with a woman as a transactional relationship. I think this is correct but I also think this is why this practice is bad. Collectively monogamy is good for men. It relies on solidarity amongst men and relational relationships between men and women. Both of these things are built on trust, compassion, and love. On average women value monogamy more than men and both men and women self report valuing monogamy. I'm not arguing for outlawing divorce or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 09:11 PM
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Consent under duress is exploitation. There is a lot of social and psychological pressure for young men to get sex. Much of the behavior described in this article is exploitation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 04:50 PM
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I don't have the experience or information to say whether this is true or not. I think there is at least a reasonable argument for it if you are a older male virgin. It's a little unclear from the story how old the men whose virginity she takes are. My read was that they were teenagers or maybe in their early 20s, That's why their mom's paid. The parts where she talks about her older male clients seem mostly unrelated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 04:47 PM
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Did I specifically claim that if someone is unwilling to sell you something then they necessarily don’t think you’re capable of making your own choices? Implicitly yes. This is the contrapositive of the statement implicit in your rhetorical question. Logically, p => q ≡ ¬p => ¬q. Did I specifically claim that if someone is willing to sell you something then they must necessarily respect you in any capacity? Explicitly yes. Your line of logic was if she'll sell them sex she respects them and if s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 04:36 PM
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They do. Not all of them or always but most of the women I have dated would get me something for Valentine's Day.
/r/MensRights12/02/24 07:09 AM
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This is a nonsensical nonsequitur. How do you know this worker does not at least respect her clients as human beings who can make their own choices? If someone is unwilling to sell you something that they would sell to most people they probably don't respect you but not necessarily because they don't think you're capable of making your own choices. On the flip side, just because someone is willing to sell you, something does not mean they respect you even in your ability to make your own choices…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 04:42 AM
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This makes me so sad. Imagine being a teenager and your first time is with some woman who couldn't care less about you and has done this hundreds of times with hundreds of other boys. If your goal was to train a young man to divorce sex from romance, this is how you would do it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 01:40 AM
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I suspect the number of guys self-reporting as single is probably higher but the number self-reporting is sexless is probably lower. That was certainly my experience in college.
/r/MensRights11/02/24 01:33 AM
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Pretty bad but not quite as bad as that image suggests. From the statistics I've seen roughly one third of men in that age demographic have not had sex in the last year and roughly two-thirds self report as single. I suspect the percent of sexless guys in college is probably lower than the percent for guys out of college. So maybe 1/5 or 1/6 college guys haven't gotten any in the last year.
/r/MensRights10/02/24 02:08 AM
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Get a grip dude.
/r/MensRights04/02/24 09:00 PM
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Knowing these two, I doubt any conversation between the two of them would be appropriate or even sane. That said, there's no reason the home secretary should be offering their opinion on this. If Russell Brand wants to fight the sexual misconduct allegations publicly, he should be allowed to do so.
/r/MensRights04/02/24 04:24 PM
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I'm criticizing that progressives today broadly speaking don't understand this that there's a consistent pattern in their attitudes. I don't think this is true. I think most progressives think they can back up their politics with some kind of consistent justification, even the ones I disagree with. The idea that 'woke' is undefinable; I'm arguing that this is consistent with how the movement known as 'woke' handles yin and yang energy speaking more broadly. I agree with this. I would say the rel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 05:18 AM
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I'm going to be brutally honest here. I don't think this is a significant political or cultural divide. There are people of all stripes that are more inclined toward rational/objective thinking and intuitive/subjective thinking. Social progressives criticize the subjective nature of degeneracy in the same way social reactionaries criticize the idea of wokeness. Likewise there are people on both sides that try to structure and justify their beliefs ridgedly and justify them objectively. It's inte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 03:03 AM
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Yes, I would like you to shut the fuck up about it or own your position. I think calling someone out for supporting scientific racism is good. You think calling someone out for supporting scientific racism is bad. If you're going to have shit opinions you might as well own your shit. Are you trying to offend me by saying I sound like a feminist? Are you some kind of far right reactionary? Maybe you haven't noticed but feminists have been extremely successful over the last hundred years. I will h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 01:48 AM
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Last but not least, as another commenter said, the only victims that such a policy would expose are: women who got pregnant during infidelity, who also decided to keep the baby (important, because abortion should be made legal and accessible everywhere) and who decided to stick with another partner without saying anything. I also read this and also agree. In the same way every I think every individual should have a right to know if and when they become a parent they should also have the right to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 07:36 AM
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My biggest fear in pursuing a relationship with a woman is that she is going to expect me to kill spiders for her. Kill your own damn spiders. Better yet leave the spiders alone they aren't bothering anybody! More seriously there is a kernel of truth here but it is important to remember the context. Margaret Atwood was born in 1939 and this is based on a quote of hers from 1982. In that time period in the US having a husband was absolutely essential for a woman to function in the world and there…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 07:10 AM
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If you have a problem with me calling out a scientific racist you could at least have the integrity to explain why rather than running away to bitch about me on another thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 06:43 AM
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Horrifying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 06:02 AM
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I think a putative father has a right to know if he has a child and the possibility of future wrong doing because that right is respected does not change anything. In a perfect world a man would know as soon as he had gotten someone pregnant. Practically I believe paternity testing should be done in vetero. If the woman refuses to have the test done it should be done immediately after birth and there should be a database like the putative fathers registry but national which males should be autom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 05:57 AM
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I can't think on the top of my head about a gimmicky argument I used about white people. To my perspective (and you can't possibly understand, you have no interest to understand that just like those who downvoted me) you are all fucking weird. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here but if you want to say something just say it. This is my first reply to her. As you can see I did not hone in on anti-black racism until she started trying to legitimize her bigotry through science. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 08:41 PM
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I am serious and I know it's not your point. This woman's point wasn't that scientific racism is okay but I still see it as a pretty major problem with her view. Do you think it is worth bringing up anti-black racism when pointing out that someone is so bigoted that they don't object to scientific racism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 06:04 PM
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https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w22003/w22003.pdf Keep in mind I am not saying this is representative of the academic consensus or brouder trends in the criminal justice system with respect to race. Reading the abstract it would have been more accurate for me to say black judges sentence black juveniles more harshly than white juveniles. It's been a while since I reviewed it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 07:56 AM
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Ahh you're talking about the early social Internet. I would have loved to have been there but unfortunately, at the time, I was too young to be engaging in this kind of discourse. The worst most unhinged public internet discourse I was ever able to engage in was early 2010s 4chan, which was insane compared to modern Reddit but was tame compared to what you are talking about from what I've heard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 07:49 AM
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I would argue that, in some ways, 90% of men are in a bad way. I really wish you would distinguish between porn in general and only fans/camming specifically. I am not aware of anyone who thinks porn, in general, is exploitative of the consumer. (Edit: I'm sure they exist. The internet is large and you can always find someone who will support a stupid argument.) The people who are opposed to porn are generally opposed to it because they think it hinders social functioning or is degenerate. I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:36 AM
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Studies can show both what and why. This source happens to be biased and misleading but don't let that undermine your faith in science.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:07 AM
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My guess would be other correlated factors. For example socially conservative people are less likely to cohabitate before marriage and are less willing to get divorced. Their inclusion in a sample will contribute to a correlation between cohabitating before marriage and divorce even though the causative factor, their social views, is not represented in the data. I'm busy right now so I'm not going to dig into the methodology of the study but that's just my guess. Edit: I looked at the thing you …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:52 AM
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Most people who take issue with the emotional manipulation and financial exploitation by sex workers on the internet do not have that same issue with free pornography. I think it is dishonest of you to try to lump those two things together. Overall I'm not really sure what to say because you haven't really made an argument here. It is common therefore it is okay is not an argument. It is old therefore it is okay not an argument. Most exploiters do not see significant profits from their exploitat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:51 AM
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She suggested that bigotry is not bigotry if it is legitimized through statistics and science. I asked if she would apply that rule to ant-black racism and information that is commonly brought up by white supremacists. She responded by saying that yes, it is not racist to use The Bell Curve and 13/52 to draw conclusions about black people. I think it's worth pointing out when someone is so bigoted they dont object to scientific racism. Why do you disagree?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 01:22 AM
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Do you understand what she is saying?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 01:05 AM
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I don't disagree with you but my point is that the underlying logic of bigotry is bad and dangerous. This women's argument here boils down to, "it's not bigoted if you can back it up with science". This is an incredibly dangerous position because literally all forms of bigotry have individuals who back up their ideology with science. As soon as you agree to the logic of bigotry, that a statistical difference in outcomes between two groups is reflective of a fundamental difference in value, you l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 08:00 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by the flame war days. I know what a flame war is but when do you mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 08:58 AM
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It's very telling that you say some women can deal with traditionalism. I hope you understand that some women look for traditionalism. That said I don't see myself as terribly traditional. To answer your actual question I think there is a vanishingly small number of men that want virgins and a larger but still very small group that don't care at all or see many previous partners as a positive. Then there's the vast majority of us somewhere in between. Few of us have hard lines about this, I cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:12 AM
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I feel attacked, lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 05:26 AM
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You should really only do this if you enjoy arguing. It is not actually a good use of your time so if you don't enjoy it don't do it. With that said if you're the same kind of weird as me here's my two cents on strategy. Whether I'm talking to a sexist, a racist, or any other kind of bigot I keep two goals in mind. First, if you can, give them something to think about. If they're being really obnoxious or performativly repulsive this is not always possible but it's good to keep an eye out for an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 02:43 AM
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There is a kind of pleasure once you get good, but honestly this conversation just left me feeling gross. Edited Grammer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 02:02 AM
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The Bell Curve and 13/52 from FBI statistics. These are both very commonly cited by white supremacists I know because I enjoy arguing with bigots on the internet, that's why I'm here. 🙃 This doesn't have anything to do with dating you asked me about misandry. I would like an answer to my question. Would you think I was a white supremacist if I articulated my personal experience and cited statistics as I did in my last reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:31 PM
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If I said, In my experience black people are stupid money's and their low IQ and high propensity for crime is backed up by statistics, would you think I was an anti-black racist? Edit: How is this different?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:15 PM
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Most bigots backup their bigotry with technically accurate information. Jews really did represent a disproportionate number of bankers in Weimar Germany. Black people commit 52% of the crime even though they're only 13% of the population according to FBI statistics. I don't think these facts, that are backed up with rigorous scientific studies and surveys justify the natzis or the white supremacists, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:04 PM
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Hasn't what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:57 PM
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I'm having a hard time articulating this and the text of the post has been deleted so I can't quote it but I'll try my best to explain it by analogy. One way bigotry is expressed is through dehumanization. A long standing means of dehuminization is to compare the group you hate to animals, especially farm animals or parasite, and monsters. Some examples would be women being called cows, black people being called monkeys, white people being called demons, Jews being called goblins, leeches, and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:53 PM
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Why can't men in their thirties be friends with men who are 18? Sure they're going to be less mature on average but I've already got some friends with their last mature on average, lol. But also what does this have to do with anything? I don't pick women using the same standards I pick friends. You say this makes logical sense to you but there is no logic here, it's a nonsequitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:35 PM
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Sexist, misandrist, bigot , and misenthrope all apply here. "presumptuous" works too, just think it is a little inadequate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:25 PM
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I will never accept this anti-birthday propaganda. Birthday parties today, birthday parties tomorrow, birthday parties forever!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:59 PM
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This kind of argument is never going to work on OP because she hates men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:50 PM
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Come on be reasonable many hateful bigots don't own any cats and prefer hard liquor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:47 PM
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Does she sound happy to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:39 PM
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Furthermore, you said little about yourself so no one could make the argument if they tried. While it is true that she said very little about herself explicitly I think that there is enough implicit information in the post that a solid argument can be made that she shouldn't get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:38 PM
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But presuming that all men everywhere will always just amount to vampires that suck you dry is… presumptuous at best. The word you're looking for is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:32 PM
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I think you are a deeply selfish and sexist person. The fact that you wrote this post and some of the things in this post suggest to me that you always expected to get married. I don't think you should get married unless you undergo significant personal growth first. I think you and your husband would be miserable because no human being could possibly meet the standard that you have sat. No one is going to make your life better all the time or consistently meet many of your other standards, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:31 PM
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I'm going to answer your questions as written. I'm guessing you were thinking about this in some specific context like a women consenting to sex, consenting to other physical intimacy, consenting to be approached, consenting to be spoken to, consenting to be looked at, consenting to be coexisted with, or something else. I can't read your mind so if you want a more specific answer you're going to have to ask a more specific question. What are your views on the concept of consent? I see consent as…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 07:14 PM
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Stop popular because no one thinks it's true
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:53 PM
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He didn't say women shouldn't party because they might be the victims of rape. He said don't drunkenly pass out of the frat house. Reasonable advice IMO. Also don't lie to me immediately after saying you're acting in good faith. You weren't drawing attention to a double standard and you didn't even mention men being worried about false rape accusations. You were comparing the risk of getting so drunk you pass in a dangerous place to normal day-to-day risks and comparing the burden of not doing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:37 PM
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Yes, and a 50% arrest rate is really good compared to most kinds of crime. Mugging is like 20%. 100% harassment really? Is that a collective responsibility at the police department or is there one guy they appoint to be the "harass rape victims" guy? Interesting side not 0% of unreported rapes result in an arrest. Crazy how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:28 PM
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Lol, you are absolutely not coming at this for a place of good faith. Reading through this thread and you look like a fucking lunatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:18 PM
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This feels like a meme answer. You're telling me I shouldn't live my life in a way that is actively dangerous to my well-being? You're telling me I can't expect everyone around me to take care of me and act nicely towards me all the time? It is absolutely insane that you think the level of risk associated with driving or owning a PS5 is equivalent to the level of risk associated with passing out drunk at a party. Truly unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:16 PM
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I was the victim of a leprechaun larceny. I spent so much time hunting for their pot of gold I forgot to protect my bank details. Do you believe I was the victim of tiny Irish embezzlers? If need be you can pretend I'm a woman with the sake of argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:09 PM
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Yes. Any decent parent would give a 16 year old the freedom to associate with strangers. Preventing that would require an insanely authoritarian level of control. Any decent parent would know not to treat a 16-year-old the same as a four year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:58 PM
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This is a level of paranoia I can't get on board with. The man may have a history of sexual misconduct but he's not going to rape your teenage daughter if you give him 2 minutes alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:55 PM
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I don't know what's up with this baby but I'm done with the bath water. Time to throw it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:52 PM
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I think the question of whether or not a large public figure is a sexual predator is important even if what they have done is not technically illegal. But also grooming a 15 year old so when she turns 16 and is above the age of consent she will have sex with you is illegal. Edit:illegal in the UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 01:59 PM
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Maybe if you had better sex you would have had fewer partners. Mine typically come back. What do you mean "covered in bruises"? If you're being literal then I agree with you, a partner should not start looking like a peach and end looking like a plum. But like, you really don't give or get bruises periodically during sex? I'm not talking about BDSM or intentional marking, I'm just talking about good vanilla sex. Like my ex from a few years ago would often leave bruises on my biceps or forearms b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 01:23 PM
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Who said that I'm having sex with women, or that my partner is the one being bruised? 😏 Edit: As Theodor Geisel once famously wrote, "it is fun to have fun but you have to know how." So maybe experiment a little, it could be a learning experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:41 PM
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No offense but I think most people would find your sex life deeply unfulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:28 PM
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A witness testimony could be evidence of a claim. It would depend on the particular facts about the witness and their testimony. Edit: The more I think about this the more I'm not sure if I actually believe it is generally true. A collection of witness testimony definitely constitutes evidence because it requires either a true underlying narrative, a collective delusion, or a conspiracy and of those three options a true underlying narrative seems by far the most likely in most instances. On the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:14 PM
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Evidence is observables with factual properties that are indicative of something being true to the exclusion of its negation. In other words if X is evidence of Y then X has some properties that make Y more likely to be true and not Y more likely to be false. So, for example, having bruises after sex is not evidence of rape because sex that is not rape also often results in bruises but testing positive for GHB after sex is evidence of rape because sex that is not rape almost never involves GHB. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 11:57 AM
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I've always found the, "they just don't want to deal with cops or a trial" excuse so bizarre. I don't like cops. I don't like court. If I was the victim of a violent crime I would go to the cops and take it to court, unless I knew I didn't have a case. Edit: I could have just been stabbed but when I wake up from surgery I'm going to contact the police and start planning my revenge. Anybody can have any old opinion they want. It can be your opinion that the moon is made of cheese. The point of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 09:41 AM
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If the kinds of skeletons you are describing are so common that anyone who goes against the establishment can have them used against them don't you think we should be a little more forgiving of skeletons? I will never forget Al Franken.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 09:30 AM
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Had you heard about one or more of the 4 big allegations before like 2 weeks ago? I hate Brand and have been hate following him for years and I had not heard of any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 09:24 AM
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From what I have heard the allegations against Russell Brand seem substantial. In particular, the fact that he dated a 16 year old when he was 31 and seems to have groomed her before she was of age seems very predatory to me. If that timeline can be corroborated, including the grooming, that would be sufficient. If the texts are as you describe them that would be enough to convince me of that incident but from the snippets of the texts I have seen they seem much less definitive than you are sugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 09:06 AM
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Effective? No. I suspect it would be almost completely ineffective. The only way this kind of stuff works is if it's socially pervasive so one ad campaign would probably make a negligible difference. It would still be really nice to see though And I bet it would get a lot of attention which is the most important metric for a marketing campaign.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:06 AM
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so the reason men don't trust women is not that historically women have always encouraged other women to manipulate men with sex in order to get what they want nono It's just men randomly hating women for no reason sure, right What I said does not break rule 6. Analogizing sex based bigotry with race based bigotry is not race-baiting. It's a useful way to recontextualize the logic of bigotry so that bigots might be able to understand why they are wrong. Edit: I think you are looking for a reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:15 PM
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You don't need to be American to understand that anti-black racism is not justified by the bad behavior of black people. If you want a more universal example, do you blame women for misogyny because women manipulate men with sex and there is a culture amongst women that encourages them to manipulate men with sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:13 PM
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Decent sourcing, good explanations, and you stopped engaging when it became clear she was acting in bad faith. I admire your thoroughness and restraint. 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:27 AM
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I don't understand how that definition fits this circumstance. What in OPs post makes you think he is likely to break or be easily damaged? I don't think you know enough to say that OP's dating situation does not justifies desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:31 AM
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Do you also blame anti black racism in America on black crime encouraged by black culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:19 AM
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I think many people distrust those who they see as different from them then they retroactively find justifications for their feelings. Every man could be perfectly honest for the next thousand years and there would still be a lot of women that didn't trust men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:02 AM
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I can understand desperate but what makes you say he's weak? Are you just insulting him because you're mad or do you have an actual point? Edit: added the word desperate to the first sentence. My brain moved faster than my fingers when I first typed this I guess LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:58 AM
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I've got somewhat mixed feelings about this. There are a lot of public spaces, like gyms, schools, libraries, bars, churches, places of work, and public transport, where having an option for gender segregation would be nice. As a man, I would feel a lot safer talking to and coexisting with women if I knew they chose to be in a gender integrated space. There are also times when I would prefer to not have to deal with women. However, segregation has a bad history when it comes to the equity and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:15 PM
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Shame was an important and useful part of feminist activism through the 20th century and remains so today. This includes forcing lots of changes in men's expectations with regard to women. Why do you think shaming women for their unreasonable standards would not work when that seems to have worked well?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:38 AM
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Most people seem to get mad when it's an older man dating a much younger woman. In these instances young men are mad because they see it as one less woman for them and their generation and women of all ages are mad because they are jealous. It gets filters through the lens of degeneracy or pedophilia or whatever but I thing what I have describes is the underlying motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 08:19 PM
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Your poor kid. For their sake I hope someone picks up your slack.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 10:31 AM
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Woman definitely. They aren't fundamentally very different but it happens to men all the time so we are used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:59 AM
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So yes then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:56 AM
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You do understand that you sound like Jordan Peterson, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:01 AM
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Dr Peterson? Is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:46 AM
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That last line is wild.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 04:18 AM
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Ya I got it eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 02:11 PM
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The data definitely seems interesting do you know where I can find the more robust analysis or better yet the data set?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 08:18 AM
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Sorry you're right you said survey not study. My mistake. Edit: The fact that this blog is a company analyzing its own data does not make it a good source. One example of biased language is: "women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable." Another is: "So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unw…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:15 AM
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This isn't a study it's a blog post with massively biased language and deceptive figures. I was taught to differentiate good sources from bad sources in my freshman year of college. This has all the hallmarks of a bad source. Setting that aside, if I were to take the analysis in this blog post seriously, where exactly do you think the 80/20 rule is disproved?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:23 AM
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The source provided suggests that women also message more attractive men disproportionately. The analysis suggests that it's less disproportionate but they don't offer any actual numbers to back that up and given that the data was not normally distributed by subjective attractiveness it's really hard to compare the graphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:18 AM
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Ya because they rate most men as unattractive, LOL. The 80/20 claim is that 80% of women are almost exclusively interested in the top 20% of men. Obviously that's not the same as women's rating of men as average or lower, look at the third graph! I also I think it's worth pointing out there seems to be some tricky shiy going on here. Graphs 2/3 and 5/6 use different scales on the y axis to make the differences between men and women seem smaller at a glance than they actually are. There is also a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:13 AM
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I find everything about this horrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:24 AM
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Flattered, suspicious, and almost certainly somewhat interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:05 PM
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Avatar checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 03:45 AM
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It's best to avoid the cue ball look if you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 03:44 AM
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I reformatted my previous reply for clarity. The point of the second paragraph is that there is no relationship between society facilitating a thing and people being able to choose that thing. We can build a society that facilitates people's access to healthcare without literally forcing people to make a particular healthcare decision. Likewise we could do things to incentivize relationships which would allow more men to experience love and get sex. There are some government things that could be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:58 PM
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I think you mean blue piller. Edit: I just took a look at your comment history and surprisingly you're telling the truth. I'm glad to see that you are sometimes willing to fight for an oppressed social class. With that in mind I really would like an answer to my question. In your view what differentiates a want from a need?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:33 PM
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Do you disavow?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:30 PM
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I would say the core of the red pill is that men are oppressed by society and the only way for men to overcome oppression is through hard work and collective action. It doesn't actually matter though. All that matters is the under either definition the red pill is compatible with monogamy, so this is not a married batcher situation. It's not impossible to imagine that guy is interested in a manganous relationship. Honestly, if my experience is it all representative red pillers tend to be more in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:25 PM
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Objectively society can force women into relationships. Most societies forced most women and most men into relationships for most of human history. Regardless this is a non sequitur. What health care you decide to receive is up to you and your provider does that mean it is impossible for society to provide healthcare? Edit: reformatted for clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:04 PM
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Society is just a bunch of people living together in a somewhat ordered community. What that community is and is not responsible for is entirely up to the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:56 PM
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That's not what red pill is about and I'm not saying I'm okay with red pill or that. My point is that is compatible with a desire to be in a monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:54 PM
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It is both fantasy entertainment and a hypothetical world. My point is that if you can engage with something as fanciful as Harry Potter you can engage with the idea of an attractive Red pill Man that is interested in monogamy. If you can engage but you refuse to engage there must be a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 02:21 PM
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Have you ever watched a Harry Potter movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:33 PM
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And you get to decide what society is and is not going to be responsible for right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:30 PM
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Oh yes the age old tactic of let's just not engage in the hypothetical. A classic response of people confronted with their hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:20 PM
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I specifically broadened it to include other kinds of sex. Are you capable of having an honest discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:15 PM
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If you're not going to actually engage in the discussion why are you here? Is it just to shit on men? I think it's just to shit on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:08 PM
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Someone replayed to this comment comparing men to children and you ignored it. Please don't pretend like you care about whether someone's insulting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:06 PM
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Come on, seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:01 PM
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What differentiates a need from a want in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 08:18 AM
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I'm saying that people kill themselves because they do not have the things that they feel make life worth living. Sex, love, or access to reproduction is that to some people. You're misusing the idea of fragile masculinity. The idea is not that men are weak, that's just a thing some hateful people say. The idea is that masculinity itself is a relatively fragile social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 08:16 AM
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I mean we literally did saddle the Axis powers with lots of debt, execute many of their leaders, and occupy them for decades. The difference is that they really did the things that they were being held accountable for whereas men in the 21st century I have no responsibility for the historical crimes of other men.
/r/MensRights28/07/23 07:35 AM
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Disney has always had abysmal gender politics in their movies. They are a very consensus-oriented and lowest common denominator entertainment company.
/r/MensRights28/07/23 06:57 AM
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I'm a man and she's retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:27 AM
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Or maybe there would be a markedly higher suicide rate in the society impoverished populations... Wait a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:24 AM
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Some of the posts on here by man haters are so stupid. Like this post boils down to, I don't care about this thing I think you care about, I think your feelings are invalid, and I think you should just be quiet. Like, okay? Imagine if men posted equivalently stupid stuff on this subreddit, something like period poverty is not a serious concern and women should just be quiet about it. We would look ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:23 AM
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200 minimum
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:13 AM
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Yes, if you are a man you should expect to pay for dates. No, men paying for dates is not justifiable. Why does this expectation exist? Because women hold on to social privilege like pitbulls hold on to steak.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:13 PM
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How about you take a little social responsibility and start. You might even develop some empathy about how difficult it is to be a man in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:41 PM
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What do you mean maintain a solid frame?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 04:23 PM
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Ya she has always had very spiteful views on gender, she's just gotten louder over time.
/r/MensRights24/07/23 10:58 PM
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In a normative context my view is that appropriateness is just the consensus among all involved parties that express their view. OP's input on what appropriate clothes look like within their relationship and within a given context is legitimate for the same reason their view on what an appropriate vacation with their SO would be or how much would be an appropriate amount to spend on a dinner date is legitimate. It's because they are an involved party in the relationship. If you were involved in …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:41 AM
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To be clear, I was not representing my opinion of black people I was pointing out the fact that your language is the language of bigotry. I thought that might be more clear if I repeated what you said back to you but substituted in a group that you might be more empathetic towards, black people. Also yes, your fight for segregation is indicative of your hatred towards the people you want segregated. Think about other groups that fought for segregation, like white racist Americans of the 20th cen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:33 PM
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This doesn't make any sense. If there is a presumption of 50/50 custody you would still need to hire a family law specialist. This change wouldn't even necessarily decrease the amount of litigation because many people are still going to fight for majority custody or minority custody of their kids.
/r/MensRights22/07/23 08:03 PM
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Misandrists don't like men's rights for the same reason white supremacists don't like black people having rights. The ideology is built around a zero-sum view of social power. To them advocating for the out group means advocating against the in group.
/r/MensRights22/07/23 07:11 PM
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Very few people start in a perfectly monogamous and committed relationship that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to expect a serious relationship to move in that direction over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:06 PM
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This social standard already exists in a lot of places. However, I think it is very unlikely that it will see general adoption anytime in the foreseeable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:03 PM
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So you feel justified in not giving individual men a chance and the primary lens through which you see men collectively is as potential rapists and murderers... But you don't hate men. Even if you think it's justified, you must see that you are a sexist man hating a bigot. If you don't see it just substitute men for black people. Actually just for fun let's do that. "It's true what every body says, blacks are fragile as Fuck. Just ignoring black people gets you all up in a tizzy WTF are whites t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:22 PM
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My impression of the mod team generally has been pretty negative while my impression of TinMan has been pretty positive. The way the mods handled the blackout and subsequent migration was so dumb. There was never a chance in hell that they would be able to bring this community to another platform. I don't think this implies that TinMan should be in charge of everything but permabanning his is ridiculous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/23 08:25 AM
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This whole reply boils down to, I hate them because I hate them and here's some made up things that they could have said that would justify my hatred for them and I hope they suffer. Very cool and reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:00 AM
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This reply is baffling. What actual truth are you getting at?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:56 AM
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You can't hate someone for keeping a secret because you don't know that they're keeping a secret, that's what makes a secret secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 10:11 PM
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It sounds to me like you do agree but you don't want to agree and I don't really know why. I don't like Indiana Jones I like science fiction. I don't want to go to space because it would be very dangerous and I would have to train very hard for it. If someone offered me a free one month space vacation with limited risk and training I would go in a heartbeat. I am aware that's not possible but I'm still capable of engaging with the hypothetical. Why are you unwilling to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:43 AM
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I feel I have made myself very clear. Why are you avoiding the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:19 AM
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So you like Indiana Jones movies but you do not personally want to go to exotic locations, find interesting things, and participate in thrilling action?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:02 AM
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No I'm asking a somewhat more specific question. Indiana Jones doesn't just go on a trip to Cabo. He spends a lot of his time crawling around in tombs, getting slithered on by snakes, and punching Natzis. Would you want the rest of the Indiana Jones experience if you were made to feel your overall safety was guaranteed? Is the potential for serious bodily injury or death the only thing that would make you turn an Indiana Jones experience down?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:44 AM
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Would you like to go on an Indiana Jones adventure if your safety could be virtually guaranteed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:53 AM
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Three things. Every shot you don't shoot is a miss. Practice makes perfect. You have 75 net upvotes at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:13 AM
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This question is unreasonably weighted towards option A.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:46 PM
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Okay and? There is a big difference in divorcing to have control of finances vs “for money” like a get rich quick scheme. What if the husband is spending money on strip clubs, alcohol and gambling? What if he is financially abusing his wife? If a wife wants to divorce so she can have control over finances I wouldn’t automatically assume it’s a nefarious motive. I personally don’t think it’s right to have one spouse completely control all the finances both should have some say even if one spouse …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:50 AM
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I hate to repeat myself but as I said before, I think it would be entirely reasonable for the government to pay people to have and take care of children. However, I don't want people having a dozen children so they can live off the child dividend without providing good care for their kids. So I think some of the financial burden should still be on the mother and father, just less than the status quo. I'm a little confused by your position here. Setting aside men's reproductive Rights for a minut…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:31 AM
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Child rearing is socially valuable labor and a pretty common profession, early childhood education. Videogames are not. I think it would be entirely reasonable for the government to pay people to have and take care of children. Pregnancy, birth, and children are very expensive but they are also important for the continuation of society. I agree that child rearing is much easier and more rewarding than most jobs. Your point on premarital wealth is valid but most States already take that into acco…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:35 AM
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It really depends on what you mean by having money. If your married your partner is likely going to want some say about how money is spent, especially if they are the working partner. Once divorced you can do anything you want to with alimony, child support and any assets you get from the divorce. rather than "for money" it might be more accurate to say "for control of money". I did not bring up the paper from 1996 because I thought it was a good source. I brought it up because it is referenced …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:25 AM
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I put a lot of effort into this and I look forward to seeing your response. In your initial post you said this. The idea that women are routinely divorcing for “cash and prizes” riding off into the sunset with ex hubby’s hard earned wealth, while popular has been repeatedly shown to be false. Figuring out people motivations is hard. Unless I missed something none of your sources even try to get at women's motivations for initiating divorce. I'm not sure how exactly you could answer this question…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:57 PM
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The strategy is to make women completely economically dependent on men. Then they will not be able to have high standards regardless of the economic system because if they do not associate themselves with a man they will starve. Edit: Also there are traditionalists that want more social support specifically for other traditionalist families, fascists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 03:54 PM
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0% if you were 30 ft tall every woman on Earth would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 03:42 PM
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Good idea poor execution.
/r/MensRights10/07/23 11:03 PM
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If you haven't already, go read the article. It ends with a long and pretty histaricle quote from the women in question. It's very funny so I don't want to spoil it for you, but definitely check it out. Edit: Also definitely check out her Facebook profile linked in the article. She gives off, straight white women who pretends to be bi to feel included energy. Please don't harass her or she might make her whole profile private and nobody else will be able to see it. Leave no trace.
/r/MensRights09/07/23 04:09 PM
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Nobody likes rejection. The difference that men are expected to deal with it better and more often. I've never heard a man talk about how he would put a nail in the tire of someone who rejected him, probably because he would run out of nails. On the other hand I hear women talk about this constantly and even know some of my friends who are women that have acted out their revenge fanatics. Per rejection I think men handle rejection way better than women, we just get rejected more often so there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:00 PM
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What does, "falsely accused of dowry" mean? I know what a dowey is but this phrase seems nonsensical to me.
/r/MensRights07/07/23 03:06 AM
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People use terms like these because when you honestly make fun of someone for advocating for their rights you look like an asshole.
/r/MensRights04/07/23 02:13 PM
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I read that article anticipating defending her because so often sexual assault means grabbing someone's ass or something relatively minor like that. I mean don't grab people without their consent but it's hardly the kind of thing I think you should lose your career over. That's not what happened. If this story is true she straight up raped her friend. How TF have I never heard of this before?
/r/MensRights03/07/23 05:01 PM
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The adrenochrome injections probably help too, that shit is hard to come by.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:10 AM
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Lol I bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:07 AM
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Your flare is "Special-K Snorter". The size of your Instagram following is beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:04 AM
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This feels like an entirely new argument. Your initial post was tagged CMV so in one or two sentences can you tell me what is the view you want us to try and change? I'm just trying to figure out if I disagree with you or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:12 PM
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Lol this reply has a real heads I win tails you lose vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:57 PM
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Wow that second article was kind of horrific. It reminds me of the articles written in opposition to the sentencing reform act.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:55 PM
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So I just read the articles and I don't think they're saying what you're saying but I'm also not entirely sure I understand what you're saying. Please cut the strawmaning and the grievance for a minute and just put it plainly. What position do you believe these articles support? What is the view you want changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:44 PM
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Ya, so, this is basically just wrong. This is definitely true for most middle school boys, and girls for that matter, but I know very few adult men who would agree with this. I feel like you almost started to realize that this was wrong in the last sentence, because you're right, tase in women is pretty specific to each man. A man who snowboards is probably going to find you more attractive if you snowboard. A man who likes crosswords is going to find you more attractive if you can solve the New…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:28 AM
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Yes, but not always. When I was 14 the only thing I really cared about was looks. In retrospect I think this was because at the time dating was mostly about social status. The most important things were the girl's looks and popularity because that's what conferred status. Now, in my late 20, I don't care about social status at all I would happily go on a date with a Starbucks barista. I still have to find a woman somewhat physically attractive to think she's overall attractive but there are othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:15 AM
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Speaking as a woke, we support boys wearing skirts. Also, don't trust the daily mail. Even amongst right wing publications they are unusually dishonest and fearmongery.
/r/MensRights28/06/23 12:48 AM
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Are you suggesting that feminism will lead to immortality?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:11 AM
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I don't see how putting women in charge of society solves any of these problems. Men would still be spending their time spinning their wheels trying to impress women. If anything investing all material wealth and women would only make the problem worse because it would raise their standards and increase their autonomy. If anything I feel like this is an argument for total male dominance of women and society. If men acted collectively distribute women and sex equitably we won't have to spend so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 06:12 AM
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This is such a silly argument. Feminism is and has always been an advocacy for women's interests in society. It was only ever coincidentally egalitarian. When women are at a disadvantage feminism is egalitarian. When women have an advantage feminism is anti-egalitarian. You can't reclaim the term feminism for egalitarianism because it never meant that in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/23 05:53 AM
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Sure if you're willing to give men reproductive Rights. When we have equal access to equivalent contraception and equal rights to abortion we'll talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:59 AM
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There are a lot of really good replies here about how socialization affects attraction and the problem of sexless men may be solvable without government assigned girlfriends or a return to traditional mysogny. Those replays are really good and you should go read them. I want to address something else but before I do I just want to emphasize that I don't think the framework laid out in this post is valid. Social norms around dating do not need to be a zero-sum game. If we pretend your framework i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:51 AM
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About 1/4 people exercise regularly. I'm not sure what you consider emotional maturity or worthwhile hobbies. Let's assume 1/2 men are emotionally mature and 1/2 have worthwhile hobbits according to your standard. Obviously 1/5 men are in the top 20% of earners. 1/4/2/2/5 = 0.0125. By your standard a little over 1% of men should be dating. Does that seem reasonable to you? Edit: Also if 99% of men are experiencing abnormal struggles when it comes to dating doesn't that make them normal struggles…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:00 AM
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NGL, as a man, I love this but why is she present? Everyone knows the first rule of produce smashing is nobody invites ladies to produce smashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:07 PM
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Women will call literally anything a man does that they don't like insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 03:53 PM
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One egg costs way less than 9 months of surrogate pregnancy.
/r/MensRights25/05/23 05:48 AM
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Not at the moment. I am taking a break from dating right now because I recently got back in college to finish my bachelor's degree. I do some community stuff but I'm mostly focused on that right now. Lol, girls are indeede literally everyware and if I happen across one that I get along with we'll see how it goes but I'm not going to go out of my way to find a girlfriend for at least 6 more months. I am not saying I can't get a girlfriend because of who I am. I am saying I'm not willing to substa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:53 PM
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I would like to date a skinny nerd with both indoor and outdoor hobbies including videogames. I don't actually play that many video games mostly I do it to keep in contact with my college buddies. The problem is not that I don't meet my own standard for dateable it's that women have a different standard and value different things to a different level than men in a partner. I like my hobbies, I like my clothing, I like my body, and I like feeling my feelings. I'm not going to substantially change…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:11 PM
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It's pretty bizarre to publish a video of your baby about how you're teaching them consent without getting your babies consent to be in the video. I'm not joking you child isn't a prop, they are a person.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 09:54 AM
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What is toxic here and how is it toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:54 AM
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I think it's really f***** up that for men to get women interested in us we are expected to change our hobbies, style, bodies, and become "numb to rejection". Sure sex is nice and a girlfriend would be cool but it's not worth changing everything about myself and suffering emotional torment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:46 AM
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No, I would not give up something I enjoy for the chance of getting something else I enjoy. It's kind of fucked up that you seem to think that unless I am willing to conform to a unjust social standard it is hypocritical for me to condemn that standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:39 AM
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Two things. First, I talked to more adult feminists and found out their goals for the movement were much less principled than what I had read in the literature throughout high school and college. Second, I realized that men have a lot of social issues that most women and virtually all feminists perpetuate. Then I realized if I didn't advocate for myself and people like me no one would.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 02:05 AM
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Lol I'm dumb.
/r/MensRights28/04/23 06:06 AM
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Oh yeah that's retarded. I assumed this was the only restroom.
/r/MensRights28/04/23 06:04 AM
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Are you saying there was a second restroom specifically for able-bodied women only?
/r/MensRights28/04/23 06:00 AM
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Wheelchair, the original third gender. All joking aside if this is a single occupant bathroom, like most Starbucks bathrooms, then I see no problem.
/r/MensRights28/04/23 05:42 AM
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Yep twice. Once in Highschool and once in college. My work experience post college leads me to think fear of false accusations is one of the main reasons "boys clubs" exist in most profesional environments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/23 01:34 PM
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I love that the conclusion of this video is basically, "be cautious about blinding CVs because you might no longer favor women." Just wow.
/r/MensRights21/04/23 01:32 AM
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It's really up to you. How much risk are you willing to take to be nice? Honestly, idk if I would have done it for the same reasons as you didn't.
/r/MensRights21/04/23 01:03 AM
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Even if this law was made nominally egalitarian it would still be desperately enforced. Being fair on paper does not mean a law not targeted in reality.
/r/MensRights11/03/23 03:20 AM
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I hate naturalistic framing. We cannot get pre-socialization data so there is no way to distinguish between intrinsic violence and socialized violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/23 11:07 PM
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I don't know that this is wrong per se but it feels a little bit like you could apply this critique to any systemic critique in a consumer capitalist society. Think of a systemic critique you think is reasonable, the socialist critique of capitalism for example. That critique also talks about a system of global controle, is unscientific, provides few actual answers, promotes the idea that you are not in controle if you life, and sells merch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/23 02:41 AM
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Do you not think world peace has majority support?
/r/MensRights27/01/23 12:51 PM
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This might just be me but I think interests and values are way more important than personality. For example, I'm vegan and love to ski. If your vegan and love to ski I will give you a shot wether your kind and nurturing or whity and sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 12:42 PM
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And gender equality is realistic?
/r/MensRights27/01/23 12:32 PM
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I guess this is a movement towards equality but I would rather we live in a world where we don't force anyone to join the military.
/r/MensRights27/01/23 03:39 AM
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Surprising, Thank for the info.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 01:25 AM
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Most lobbyists are also men. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-gender/article/abs/gender-politics-in-the-lobbying-profession/EED1FBBDB0EACFEDC3BA047AB6720E3F The reality is that politics is dominated by men. In spite of that fact it doesn't serve our interests.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/23 01:52 AM
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This is just speculation on my part but I would guess it's because mensrights is full "libertarians" and other reactionary shit heads. That's why I'm much more active her than there anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/23 01:48 AM
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Is the final slide derivative of our conversation in your last post? I think slide 6 would be more persuasive if you put more historical data, go back to 1990 when the number of women in higher education first passed the number of men, rather than focusing on future projections. The media that you've been producing this summer Reddit has been of very high quality. Do you have any specific goals in mind for this ongoing project?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/23 01:40 AM
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Maybe, but remember the oligarchs are not computers designed to maximize profit. They are individual human beings. To me your explanation makes sence but it could also be that that the oligarchs, and everyone else, are just more compassionate towards women and center their problems in society as a consequence. Maybe it's a little of both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/23 04:48 AM
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You said that if men were approached multiple times a day for sex (a thing that happens to 0% of people who are not sex workers but let's just make believe for the sake of this discussion) then they would also start rudely ignoring people who approach them. I don't know if this is true or not but it's definitely something that could be tested. The problem isn't women being on guard around men, men are also on guard around men. The problem is women being assholes to men who are trying to chat the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:47 AM
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It's an idom.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:39 AM
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They're the same insofar as someone's desire to be rude does not justify them being rude and someone's desire to stab someone does not justify them stabbing someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:38 AM
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And yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:36 AM
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Sometimes people stab each other, does that mean stabbing is okay? Personally when someone holds the door for me I say thank you. If I didn't say thank you that would be rude. It maybe the case that I was rude out of anxiety or disinterest or just a desire to be rude. That doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:35 AM
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Yes it is actually. Women are very slim majority of voters something like %52 yet in this post you have shown that their interests are served disproportionate to their voting population. It's also strange because, at least here in America, public policy does not generally follow popular opinion or the opinion of voters. It follows the opinions of the American oligarchs. Feminist politics are exceptional because they have been able to get political change and a centering of their interests in pub…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/23 03:11 AM
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So your argument is social problems aren't systemic they're a consequence of individual bad actors? Are you a big fan of cops too?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:02 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 02:59 AM
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I'm sorry I misunderstood your original reply. I assumed you were a progressive. I can see now that you are a traditionalist who has a lot of investment in traditional gender roles. A man's duty is to protect and provide. A woman's correlate duty is to... what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 02:18 AM
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I haven't donated almost anything, I'm quite poor, but I've been to a handful of woman's marches, some specifically about abortion. I wouldn't call that my main contribution to standing up for women though. My main contribution is calling out misogyny in male dominated spaces. Politics is not just voting and protesting. This what aboutism is absolutely pathetic. Women shouldn't stand up for men reciprocally. They should do it because it's the right thing to do. Otherwise it's meaningless and con…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 02:11 AM
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I think you're fundamentally correct here but I don't think that's a good thing or that the solution can be found within the system. I believe that when someone is under the threat of violence they will be more polite and incentivised to deesculate. However, I would like to live in a society where we can simultaneously be polite to each other and not be on the brink of violence. There are other mechanisms for encouraging people to be nice to each other and penalizing rudeness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:58 AM
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I get it but we need to be able to simultaneously agnolege the fact that men make up the majority of the governing elites and women's interests are put above men's interest by government. That's the thing that I find so strange. Politics is one of the last and strongest bastions of traditional patriarchy in my home country of America and yet government serves men's interests so poorly, including in the health information you layed out here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/23 09:40 AM
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I'm glad you think it's funny. It's supposed to be kind of ridiculous to point out that your excuse is ridiculous. Your just doing a feminised version of the classic "look what you made me do." It's an excuse that can justify anything so why is my example invalid? I really want to know, what's the difference between saying if a woman is rude to you it's your fault verses if a man hits you it's your fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:51 AM
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Alternative solution maybe women should start bearing a little more responsibility for partner seeking behavior so that men don't have to do that if we ever want to meet anyone. Basically none of us enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:23 AM
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Why do you think there is a hard line between someone not acknowledging your presence and them doing something to piss you off? If you know they are there and are trying to get your attention and you are not paying attention to them then you are making an active decision to ignore them. Even my dog can tell when I'm ignoring him and gets mad about it. We aren't mindless gas molecules bouncing off each other nor are we dogs. We are people and that comes with a set of variable social expectations.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:18 AM
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Accusing someone of being overly emotional as an excuse for not engaging with their arguments is a tactic I typically see used by misogynists. It's interesting that so many misandrists adopt the tactics of traditional misogyny. It's almost like all bigots are the same. %98 is 49/50 what does that have to do with justifying your bigoted argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:55 AM
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It's so bizarre to me that you simultaneously understand some of men's problems and perpetuate them. Why did you not stand up for your brother, or your friend or your boyfriend? Why is it their responsibility to protect you but not your responsibility to protect them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:33 AM
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Are you agreeing that some kind of consequence is necessary for people to be polite to each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:30 AM
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Thank goodness you've synthesized This brilliant excuse for any time any woman mis treats any man ever. Just got stabbed by a lady? Well you shouldn't have ignorantly or psychopathically ignored her boundaries forcing her to escalate. You brought the stabbing on yourself I guess. I want to be mad but honestly this is so dumb it's funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:23 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he would like an answer. That's what he would like to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:18 AM
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Yes... And?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:17 AM
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I think OP is pretty clearly talking about how people interact in public with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:38 AM
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I don't think he's saying they get a free pass socially. I think he's saying women can be rude to physically intimidating individuals without having to worry for their physical safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:36 AM
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Again, this is not true. Women are convicted at a dramatically lower rate than men and they are sentenced much more lightly. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:34 AM
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Crime stats show that men are disproportionately the victims of almost every kind of crime, including violent crimes. I see that as evidence on average people exert a degree of forbearance with women that they do not with men. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:32 AM
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Yeah but the vast majority of those politicians are men. In the United States less than 30% of federally elected officials are women. In the European Union where there has been an active effort to get more women into politics it's a little under 40%. Disproportionately, men run the systems that allow society to function and disproportionately we run them for the benefit of women. This incongruity is one of the main things I think a real political movement based on male solidarity could alleviate…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/23 01:46 AM
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Something I've been thinking about a lot recently is that society is run by men for women. Thoughts?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/23 12:22 AM
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Setting aside the substance and tone of what you said for a moment if I ate you then you'd be dead or missing whatever body part I ate. Generally you won't die if you have sex with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 12:11 AM
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You're just wrong. I dated around and had sex in college maybe a dozen partners on and off and one long term relationship over the corce of 4 years. Since I graduated about 4 years ago it's been incredibly hard to meat women. I've had 1 partner in 4 years. Nothing changed about me. I'm in the same shape physically, I have the same hobbies, and now I actually have an income. The problem is society makes it incredibly hard for men to engage in partner speaking behavior. Where exactly is it sociall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 11:08 PM
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That's certainly how it seems in The matrix movie but what is the lie here? How is it like the matrix?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 07:52 AM
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I'm never really sure what people mean by red pill and blue pill. I've seen The matrix but I don't really get the conection with gender politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:55 AM
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That's a non argument. There are lots of things that people are allowed to do that I will still encourage them not to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 07:10 PM
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Let me put it a different way, I don't think you should care about this. The whole story boils down to "young politically active woman says something sexist about misogynistic self help grifter." That's not news, it's Tuesday. I care that you care.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 06:16 PM
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Call me crazy, but I care about this not at all!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 04:12 AM
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It's not, the studies seem mostly bases off of hormone treatment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/22 06:12 PM
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Synonyms for paternalistic. This is how I was using the word. In general I think a words meaning is determined by its use not its origins. I used the word, then explained how I used it. If you insist on willfully not understanding what I meant at this point I don't really know what else to tell you. My point is not that jokes contain a hint of Truth. It's that many people pretend they were joking when what their believe are confronted. It's a strategy for preventing others form critically examin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:11 PM
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Are you a fuck hole or a penetrater? Too triggered?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:25 AM
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I'm appealing to emotion because I'm a person not just a "penetrator" that is experiencing an emotion and I hoped that you, as a fellow human, could empathize with that. The emotion could best be described as indignation at being referred to as a "penetrator". I'm feeling such a degree of indignation that I wrote not one but two profanity-laden replies to this before deleting both of them and merely asking you to use less dehumanizing language. I have some other thoughts on what you said but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:17 AM
0

Please use less dehumanizing language when referring to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:20 AM
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I'm sorry but this is quight long I did not want to write an essay but I appear to have done so unintentionally. The problem with addiction industries and it's relationship to the story of your friend is complicated. Plus I need to correct a few things you said in your last reply. I think you might understand my reaction to this specific example if you understand my position on addictive industry. Sex, drugs, and gambling are all very different in the product or service they provide and I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:20 AM
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Paternalistic doesn't mean fatherly, it means parental. In this instance synonyms would include infantilizing, patronizing, or dismissive. I dislike it when people pretend they're authentically stated opinions are just jokes. I associate it with milo yiannopoulos and other far right "provocateurs". Personally, I think many fewer women then men like porn because most porn is made for men. Many women's first experiences with porn are quight negative because they are watching porn that's made for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:14 AM
3

Interesting, thank you for the information.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/22 03:46 AM
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I know a lot of the people on the sub are pretty far right so maybe this needs to be said. The police are not your friends. Be polite to them and do as you are told because at least here in America if you don't you are likely to be shot. Do not volunteer any information. Do not give them consent to do anything.
/r/MensRights27/12/22 03:42 AM
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Wow and I thought misogynists were paternalistic. I think OP is mostly wrong on this one but honestly you come across atleast as fucked up and resentfully as him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:35 AM
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Idk, I'm fine in bed but there is loads of stuff in porn that I am physically incapable of doing. I suppose most of that is mostly for the camera not for the woman but still... and there is the lack of horse cock. Can't get around the fact that male pornstars tent to be hung but regardless I don't resent porn in the way you describe. I agree with the second part unfortunately...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:15 AM
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But by that logic shouldn't men dislike porn too? I'm not and never will be a oily, muscler, 6'6" guy with a horse cock. Why don't I feel the way you describe about porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:01 AM
0

If you make everything about yourself you'll never understand anyone else's perspective, you might not even really understand your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:57 AM
1

Some women just think men are invincible.
/r/MensRights27/12/22 02:14 AM
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Him financially manipulating and not being forthcoming with your friend does not absolve her from her emotionally manipulating and taking advantage of him. Especially once she fully understood the situation. I doubt we have fundamentally different morals. From what you have said I suspect you believe emotionally manipulating someone would be wrong in many circumstances. If one were to use value neutral language to describe the difference I suspect I have stricter morals than you. To be totally c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:53 AM
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I believe I heard somewhere that there's about three times as many trans women as trans men. Can't remember the source off the top of my head so take this with a grain of salt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/22 12:12 AM
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I spend a lot of my time participating in online left wing discourse and I'll be honest I haven't noticed much of this. I've seen a little bit of it within feminist spaces but not feminist spaces that I would describe as particularly left-wing. That said I don't interact much with the ML or MLM parts of the left and I imagine that is where this would be most common.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/22 12:09 AM
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I have mixed feelings about this post. On one hand your definitely right that most sexual assault happens between people who know each other and that women being more warry is a sensible reaction. On the other hand being constantly on guard around the people you trust seems psychology unhealthy and would definitely lead to a social landscape that is even more split by gender than we currently have, which seems counter productive to the broader goal of de-emphasizing gender in society. I don't kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:02 AM
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Have fun but try not to make it a habit, sex can be addictive especially the first few women.
/r/MensRights26/12/22 11:38 PM
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I don't know why you keep saying "grow up" I'm the one applying a moral perspective and you're the one denying the moral implications of the situation, if anything you're acting like the child here by pretending that your friend cannot be judged for her decisions. Let me just put it this way, I've been hard up for money a bunch of times in my life, I was pretty hard up for money in college. I don't think there was ever a time in my life where I would have accepted $1,000 a week plus free food an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 10:58 PM
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And your friend is also a adult with agency it doesn't matter if she didn't scout him out she still took advantage of him. I genuinely find it shocking that anyone would defend this kind of behavior. I know capitalism sucks and you've got to make money where you can but this is just... It's just vile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 10:18 PM
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It's sort of astonishing how sexist you are. You use gendered slurs in almost every single sentence. You're clearly a far right rugged individualist, which is despicable, but also dose not hold up to scrutiny. So you don't think any adults can ever be taken advantage of? Like, a drug addict who sells their body for money, or an elderly person who falls victim to an email scam, they are all old enough to know better? Let's be honest that's just what you tell yourself to sleep at night. You have c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:11 PM
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People are takin advantage of who aren't children all the time, like the elderly, sex addicts, and lonly people. I don't think this is misogyny. I don't think most women are like you. You in particular are a antisocial treacherous monster that needs to be locked away for everyone else's safety and wellbeing. It's not my fault that you self identify as a treacherous snake and it does not need to reflect on your gender, that's on you and only you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:56 PM
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Maybe but those who take advantage of the pathetic are monsters and treacherous snakes that should be oppressed by society for the good of everyone. You are the case for not allowing women to vote or open bank accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:49 PM
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I'm a straight man. For me it's more a question of interest then education. I really like talking and thinking about technology, science, and politics. You don't need to have been to college to be interested in any of that but I find I'm much more likely to share interests with someone who has pursued some higher education than with someone who hasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:51 PM
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Your friend is a monster for taking that lonly old man's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:44 AM
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We also have the highest wealth in-equality in a half century meanwhile real wages have remained stagnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:13 PM
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I think a world in which everyone sees everyone as a threat all the time would be a lot less pleasant to live in and I don't feel confident it would actually lead to a less violent society. Also, i hate the "men engage in risky behaviors so they deserve what they get" argument. It's just a more generalized version of the "she was wearing a short skirt so she asked for it" argument applied to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:52 PM
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I think you misunderstand the statistics. Men are more frequently the victims of violent crime than women but we are almost always the victims of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:44 PM
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It seems like your using the term "man-child" as a slur.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:38 PM
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Women dating up is not a western thing, nor is it a phenomena of women dating celebrities. I read a old population level study of India a little while ago, I'm having trouble finding it now, that showed on average women marry into slightly more wealthy families than they come from and almost all cross cast marges were lower cast women marrying higher cast men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:32 PM
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This post is hilarious. How can you possibly think a woman wanting a man who makes a quarter minion dolllers a year, is funny, confident, handsome, educated, and can dance is reasonable, but a man wanting a woman he finds are active is unreasonable? If I skipped the second paragraph i would have guessed this post was about how unfair dating as a man is and how women should lower their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:12 PM
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Whenever she's talking about violating her bodily autonomy she means a blood test, that's all.
/r/MensRights25/12/22 01:02 PM
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Liars and frauds don't want their lives and fraud exposed? Shocking news.
/r/MensRights25/12/22 01:01 PM
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Incels aren't a group, they don't hold meeting or have any kind of formal organization. In general it just means someone who can't get sex even though they want to and In this instance it's just being used as a slur against men. You sound like fox news talking about antifa. My point still stands the replays are full of women using dehumanizing language about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 12:54 PM
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I'm in the United States, OP is in the united states, and given the fluency of your English I'm guessing you're in the United States or another western country. I can't speak to the gender norms in South Korea. Here in America the difference is that when men share private material about women there is pushback from larger society, that's why these groups don't get very large. They get shut down or exposed and die off from the social pressure. Men aren't lying about this. We all know it happens, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:44 AM
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If you've never seen someone talk about men as subhuman then you must be extremely new to the internet or have very selective browsing history. If you want proof try looking at any post from r/askfeminists that talked about men and sex or violence. We are always talked about like unpredictable wild animals. Edit: the responses to this post are full of dehumanizing lauanges about men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:16 AM
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Yes there are lots of misogynists on the internet including on Reddit but has anyone else noticed that this post was originally a man complaining about how women objectify us and share personal information about us without our consent and yet it has somehow devolved to women complaining about how they have it worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:13 AM
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Okay Im going to try to recap this whole conversation and I want you to tell me when you think i have gone wrong. OP started with a complaint about women forming large groups within comunities like cities or in my experience colleges in which they share private and intimate details about men. Someone then responded to that with whataboutism, saying men sometimes form communities and share nude photos of their former partners. I responded by pointing out that those groups tend to be much smaller,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:10 AM
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I'm not switching the argument. Your just misconstruing what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 03:26 AM
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Anyone have a source that is not locked beging a login screen?
/r/MensRights25/12/22 02:48 AM
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Me: usually A You: but one time not A Me: usually If you're only information comes from headlines you're only going to hear about the most extreme examples but also OP is talking about groups with 100k+ members.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:32 AM
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I don't know what 2x is. I have never seen someone say alimony is exactly like being raped on mensrights. Women on the subs I listed talk about men as subhuman and not deserving of certain rights or privileges in society all the time. As for immoral dating strategies that's literally what FemaleDateingStratigy is. Like that's the whole point of the sub. Idk if you hate read men's subreddits but don't go on the women's equivalent or if you just lack the ability to think critically about your in g…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:57 AM
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Also not to state the obvious but the virulent and open bigotry on TwoXChromosomes, WitchesVSPatriarchy, and FemaleDateingStratigy are as bad or worse than anything I have ever seen on MensRights which is the biggest and worst subreddit on mens issues that has not been baned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:19 AM
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I wasn't talking about subreddits, this kinda stuff is done a little more covertly than that. Regardless, you must realize the incel sub is also banned right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:05 AM
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Oh no I wasn't saying that, though that might be true. I know those groups existed amongst men in my high school and college but they were pretty looked down upon. I was never offered access to the one from my high school, which was obviously illegal because it contained naked pictures of high schoolers and I heard it got shut down a few years after i graduated. I know it existed because people made jokes about how gross it was. In college a couple of the less classy frats had something equivale…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 06:55 AM
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Ok but we aren't talking about child porn. With child porn basically any child will do. When guys share naked pictures of women it's community specific. The point is that it's women you know personally, which puts an effective cap on community size. Regardless when men do stuff like this, even without pictures it gets shut down. The equilivancy communities for women don't. In my opinion this is because men's behavior towards women is policed much more strictly by society than women's behavior to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 06:41 AM
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I don't think it would be a better world if everyone knew everyone else's sexual and romantic history. I definitely don't think it would be good if only some people have access to some of that information.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:46 AM
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How so? How did they talk about dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:44 AM
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Usually those groups don't include tens of thousands of people, they are sometimes illegal, and always looked down upon. None of that is true of this example.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 04:27 AM
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To be totally honest I don't know what role Cobalt serves in lithium batteries either. 😁 I believe this article is talking about an advancement in liquid salt batteries which do not usually use Cobalt. However, if my memory serves in the past they generally needed to be kept pretty hot like 100°F/35°C to function and have a reputation for exploding, and needing their fluid changed. They function really well for large battery insulations like at a power plants but are not suitable for electric ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/22 01:33 AM
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Your definitely right that the Colbolt from the DRC is used in batteries and other stuff all around the world, that's just the nature of high tech manufacturing. It's definitely possible to improve labor regulations internationally through supply chain restrictions but I think that strategy has been of limited success in the past, especially when dealing with China. I'm not aware of any ethically operated Cobalt mines. To my knowledge something like 3/4 of all Cobalt exports come from the DRC. M…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/22 11:53 PM
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I want to preface this by saying I fucking hate Joe Rogan's show. I have nothing against the man personally but he doesn't vet his guests or push back when they lie and as a consequence he ends up spreading a lot of misinformation. That said I do know a little bit about African politics. The reason this kind of of stuff is perpetuated in the DRC and else ware in Central and Eastern Africa is, first and foremost, because it is profitable. This is just what unregulated capitalism looks like. An ad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/22 10:58 PM
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2 I'm 26
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:36 PM
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How strange that they keep coming back for more then. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:18 PM
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No, the antiwoke people don't care about men. Antiwoke is explicitly reactionary. The point is to tear down social progress not to help some specific groups. They might help us or they might hurt us but it's all incidental, they don't care about men. On a side not female exclusive sports exist so women have a chance to participate. It's like the Special Olympics or the over 60 division. I have no problem with women competing in men's sports for the same reason I have no problem with a man with d…
/r/MensRights22/12/22 04:21 AM
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Sure here are some quotes. "Not only does it show men's sence of entitlement to sex..." "why should women care about mens sexual needs when men don't care about women as people?" "Also, men don't like commiting to a high n count..." "...Men don't see how counter intuitive this is." There are a couple more but I'm on my phone so I can't just copy and paste from your post. The question is related to your post insofar as one of your complaints is that men care about how sexually experiences women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 11:08 PM
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You refer to men like we are a monolith throughout the post the fact that you don't use the phrase "all men" is irrelevant. When a trade-con says women belong barefoot and pregnant we both know what they mean. Your using men like their use women. I find it very telling that you're trying to argue semantics rather than defending what you originally said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 04:28 PM
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You refer to men as a monolith throughout the post the fact that you don't use the phrase "all men" is irrelevant. When a trade-con says "women belong barefoot and pregnant" we both know what they mean. Your using the word men just like they are using the word women. I find it strange that you want to play these bad faith semantic games rather than talk about what you actually wrote, or my reply. Do you agree with me that women tend to be less accepting of inexperienced partners than men? Do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 04:26 PM
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It's not not masculine but I really enjoy skiing. We just got a bunch of snow here in the U.S. north east and conditions have been great for the last week.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 02:58 AM
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Same, not a lot of opportunities to preform these days but I enjoy it so much.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 02:55 AM
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I love to sing. I don't get to preform very often these days but I still sing for myself sometimes and I really enjoy it.
/r/MensRights21/12/22 02:54 AM
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Conservative feminists have done to the term "toxic masculinity" what conservatives broadly have done to the term "work". At one point it had utility and a fairly fixed meaning but today it operates as a slur and a catch-all term for something they don't like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/22 02:47 AM
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I'm sorry you've had a rough time on this subreddit but this subreddit is not representative of all of humanity and one mod contradicting himself does not justify you generalizing this unrelated quote to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:51 PM
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In that case this is fucked but also not at all representative. I think there's a pretty common view amongst trad-cons that sex is a wife's duty to her husband but I don't know anyone who thinks you have a duty to have sex with someone soon after you start dating. The closest thing I have heard to someone expressing that idea is that some mem will say if a woman expects a man to pay for a date then he should expect sex in return. As to the part about blaming a woman who's not good at sex. Some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:29 PM
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You set the straw man up and you knock the straw man down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:42 PM
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Glas to see it.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 07:58 PM
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The bit about astrology really got me.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 12:28 AM
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I think it really depends on the individual and the context.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 05:08 PM
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This article is hilarious. It is written like a tweet thread of someone complaining about their spouse without mentioning their name. My favourite line had to be, "The answer is both yes and know."😂
/r/MensRights15/12/22 08:10 AM
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There's a bit of a spectrum to the authenticity of political lesbians but none of it is great.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/22 02:21 AM
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Political lesbianism can be extremely hateful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/22 11:53 PM
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Very different from your choices but Phil Dunphy from modern family. I have never watched all the way though the show but he seems like a really good guy. He is a Chear leader in college but has no shame about it. His family is not super nice to him but he tries to stay positive anyway. He tries to embrace and enjoy his work without taking it too seriously. He does a lot for his family but he's not a total pushover, like after haily gets arrested. All around, he seems like a very positive depict…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/22 03:50 AM
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I did say "When I was a kid I was taught that feminism was equality." Then I said " When I got to college and started reading some actual feminists and I was exposed to a whole bunch of different definitions many of which conflicted with each other." So obviously the answer to your question is not. Now it seems you are the one ignoring context. 🤔 I was very clear about this the first time. I didn't say the first point was correct. I'm really getting the sense that you are completely enraged, ski…
/r/MensRights07/12/22 01:29 PM
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I'm sorry but you're just wrong I don't know where you're getting these characteristics and definitions but they are not reflective of how feminism is practiced in the real world. I grew up a feminist and was a feminist through college and for a while afterwards. While I was in college I read plenty of feminist literature. Of the three characteristics you listed I'm pretty sure only the first one is ubiquitous amongst feminist ideologies. I'm not familiar with the Duluth model but Mary Koss suck…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 11:30 PM
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Fair enough, I think we mostly agree.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 11:04 PM
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Your right I did. I disagree with your quite from yourself. I think what this might come down to ultimately is that I'm not an anti-feminist and it seems like you are. I talk about this more in some other comments on this post but I think a lot of the feminist action in Iran is good and I support them in doing it. I'm pro men's rights not anti women's rights. In my view, feminism is the practice of centering women's perspectives and interests in society, politics and the economy. That does not r…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 11:02 PM
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You're right I didn't notice that. With that in mind your hypothetical is not representative of the real world. This isn't a game of yandere simulator. Women basically never act the way your depicting. Even men barely ever act that way. The sort of possessive behavior we're talking about is almost exclusively exhibited by people in romantic relationships or close friendships.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:22 PM
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I just did and what you said was this. Believing that brown men oppress the people with whom they have their closest emotional bonds, or are happy to sit by while others do so, is racist. That is much closer to "criticizing a brown person is racist" then to "Brown men are monstrous and brown women are weak". The second thing references specific racial stereotypes that you did not mention in previous comment. If criticizing a person of color without reference to those stereotypes, which you did n…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:17 PM
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If things were that simple and straightforward you would be correct but I don't think women, or people in general, are that naive. Let's take your example, the first time you're crazy girlfriend harasses your female friends for encroaching on her man you don't have any responsibility, unless you could have predicted the behavior based on other factors. But every time after that I think you do bear some responsibility in fact you bear an increasing amount of responsibility over time especially if…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:06 PM
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So I'm going to try and divide the conversation here a little bit. I think India is a complicated example in some ways feminists have made a lot of progress towards equality, in some ways they have passed the point of equality and are entrenching themselves as a political hegemon, and in some ways there is still progress to be made by feminists in India. Basically India is complicated, there's some places where I would agree with indian feminists and some places where I would disagree with them.…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 09:55 PM
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Are you really saying that criticizing a brown person equals racism? Is it also racist if I criticize a Pakistani for speeding?
/r/MensRights06/12/22 09:39 PM
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Y'all are going to hate this but I was a feminist for most of my life and this is not a thing amongst IRL feminists. They don't make fun of gym bros and only occasionally make fun of meat heads no more than anyone else. From my experience the stigmatization of men exercising is only a thing in terminally online feminists. if I had to guess why I would say probably because women find the idea of physically strong men to be threatening but the reality appealing. That's just my two cents from havin…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:20 PM
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I think this may be true but it's important to remember that the white night is acting on behalf of the woman he's simping for. Even if she has not asked him to do something specifically she still bears some responsibility for setting the gears in motion that led to his actions. She is a necessary cause of his actions even if she is not the proximal cause.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:03 AM
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Ask her. Be nice about it but just say something like, "What does fighting for woman's rights look like in France?". I would be curious to hear what she says. I wonder is she has any thoughts on the burka ban.
/r/MensRights05/12/22 04:04 AM
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The problem with this argument is that it treats men as a monolith. Even if we take these ideas at face value and ignore women's agency entirely it's not the fault of poor men that they are exploited by rich men, it's not the fault of murdered men that they were murdered by men, and it's not the fault of a suicidal man that he was taught a toxic version of masculinity by other men. I'm vegan and this argument reminds me of when people say it's fine for humans to eat meat because other animals ea…
/r/MensRights04/12/22 07:47 PM
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I mean yeah but only because our political spectrum goes from center right to facists. That's not actually an excuse for a self-identified leftists to not know the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:45 PM
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With how Kanye's career has been going recently he should be firing for a decrease asap. He can claim a change in status and income due to his own dumbass.
/r/MensRights01/12/22 01:23 AM
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I mean technically it's not hypocrisy because she indicates very clearly that she's only talking about women. Still sexist though.
/r/MensRights30/11/22 10:02 PM
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IMO the reason men receive this reaction when we talk about being sexually assaulted by a woman is because our consent is presumed. This stems from the fact that men are not seen as fully human with individual desires and motivations. Instead we are viewed as a constantly horny monolith. Thus from their perspective affirmative consent does not apply to men.
/r/MensRights28/11/22 07:00 PM
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The funniest part about this is the person complaining about all the men in the comments section who feel threatened. Like the entire post is predicated on someone who feels threatened. Why is complaining about feeling threatened suddenly a problem when men are doing it? Also have none of these lady's never heard about bears or crocodiles or panthers? A very small proportion of men will engage in predatory behavior towards women but every grisly would literally eat you if given the chance. Men a…
/r/MensRights28/11/22 07:20 AM
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I'm very pro abortion. The main people pushing back against abortion rights are not disproportionately men they are disproportionatly religious conservatives.
/r/MensRights26/11/22 02:37 AM
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Perfect juxtaposition 😙👌
/r/MensRights24/11/22 12:50 AM
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I agree with you completely. r/menslib is somewhat better with respect to this specific issue but they are so spinless that they almost never talk about the biggest men's rights issues surrounding material conditions. Every other post is about how to better manage your feelings. I think the best thing you can do is be the change you want to see in the world. Find those comments that have been downvoted into Oblivion then upload them and leave a positive comment, like this 😁.
/r/MensRights23/11/22 05:17 AM
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If the men's Right movement is ever going to have any political success it can't just be about individual grievances. I agree that some subs are just meant for people to vent but this shouldn't be one of them. It should be about highlighting men's issues and promoting men's rights.
/r/MensRights23/11/22 05:07 AM
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This comports with my experience. I used to be a feminist and I think in a lot of ways feminists and men's rights people are pretty good mirror of each other, even though both groups hate that comparison. The main difference is that within feminist communities there's more camaraderie and sisterhood than In MRA spaces. IMO it's because so many people around here are right wing lunatics who think the free market and competition can solve all our problems. The free market isn't going to lower the …
/r/MensRights23/11/22 04:57 AM
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Goats busters! But actually one of my two best friends from college. I have tried hard to maintain my relationships with the two of them because I have found it so difficult to make friends since then.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 03:18 AM
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You're really going to be this upset over at 2% change in the gender makeup of a single University in a country you don't even live in? A change to a system that already systemically advantages your in group. I swear to God people like you are as bad as the feminists, reflexively defending your ingroup regardless of context. Don't pretend you have principles when it's so clear your only motivation is in group bias.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 08:27 AM
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Can you please elaborate a little further because if you're saying what I think you're saying this is embarrassingly stupid.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 08:08 AM
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I don't think I said that anyone was being discriminated against, or that the system is sexist, or that women don't have free will. I don't know where you're getting any of that from. I think I've offered an extremely plausible explanation for why there's so few women at the University currently and why artificially inflating their numbers for a period of time could move them towards equality long term. This would not require indefinite preferential treatment for women. But would provide more op…
/r/MensRights12/11/22 06:58 AM
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I did not say that women check the demography of the University before applying though I'm sure they do, I certainly did before applying to colleges. Yes I think that misleading information on representation would probably make more women apply. That's why colleges and universities feature a diversity of genders and races in their advertising even if it's not reflective if reality. Because they're trying not to alienate people. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "strength of woman" or "stren…
/r/MensRights12/11/22 06:33 AM
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Honestly, I would just make fun of her. The first point is just so funny. She's equating vaginal sex with anal sex so first i would try to find out if she does anal, and make sure she knows the difference between a vagina and an asshole. Then focus on wether gay men are exempt from her criticisms of the patriarchy and if lesbians and children are included. That could be a fun start. Unless you're trying to maintain her as a friend in which case I wouldn't bother discussing any of this with her. …
/r/MensRights12/11/22 05:52 AM
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The short answer your question is that segregated systems like this are self perpetuating. It's like this, there are no women at the University so women don't see it as a place and lack the social infrastructure to prepare for university. Thus very few women apply to the university and a proportionally even smaller number get in. Haven't gone to a technical University for computer science I can tell you from personal experience this is how it works. You break a cycle by encouraging more women to…
/r/MensRights12/11/22 05:01 AM
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As it stands this University is like 85% male I don't think we should see this as a threat.
/r/MensRights12/11/22 03:59 AM
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Toxic masculinity is a concept originally created to describe the ways in which masculinity can alienate a man from society. Incidentally it was also originally came up with by men, though that is not relevant here. A man not reporting abuse because it's emasculating is quintessential toxic masculinity. It's masculinity getting in the way of doing what will make you happy. I agree with you broadly that it can be unhealthy for men to buy into a feminist worldview and that many women weapons terms…
/r/MensRights08/11/22 05:48 AM
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This is a actual example toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 10:58 PM
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She's a bigot and it's not unreasonable for you to take it seriously. Female identitarians sometimes try to reuse attacks that have been levies against them historically against other groups. The logic is "if it worked against us it can work for us". Here, she is repurposing a tactic of infantilization.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 06:44 AM
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