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Not necessary to answer in more detail! I just wanted to reach out after seeing that comment, and I am glad to hear you are not depressed. Staying friends with her and ending on a good note will definitely help make sense of it all and ensure there is no lingering guilt. Wish you the best, good luck with battling through this hard time xxx
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 08:01 PM
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This is all very personal and I probably should not answer it, but since it caught my eye in the megathread I will say a few things. Having someone try to kill you is life-changing, and a woman might never trust a man again after something like that happens to her. If she is also saying she needs a break etc., that is a clear signal things could never work out. It is not just about getting rid of the stalker, but about getting rid of the psychological scars and potential trust issues down the ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 01:30 AM
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Lmao eye contact on the bus was mentioned in the #BritishStateOfAlarm hashtag.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 04:56 PM
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I do not see a difference. If a guy slips something in your drink, is that not a rape? If a guy 'thinks you are willing', and then you say no, and he touches you anyway and at that point uses force, of course it is still rape. 'Miscommunication' what the heck, pure victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 04:52 PM
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Men not having sex is certainly nowhere as important as sex workers having PTSD and suffering abuse. Sorry, but the pleasure of your willies does not justify the abuse of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 09:12 AM
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Not your responsibility if someone else feels it for you but you don't for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 09:46 PM
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'I've learned to care about stuff from her and she's learned not to fear things from me.' That is quite a deep and romantic thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 07:39 PM
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Let's just say Red Pill midogynist a do not like to show women decency, shall we.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 05:56 PM
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You have just re-invented the definition of 'far right' to hamster women out of it, so you are not really worth debating with. There are few public figures out there more openly racist than Ann Coulter and Marion Le Pen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 05:16 PM
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Yes, I have heard of a few cases like this. People seeing someone and just knowing that is who they will one day end up with, no matter what happens in the meanwhile. I do not usually believe in this sort of things and in 'love at first sight', but I cannot deny what you said does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 04:53 PM
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The far right is devoid of women? I must have woken up in a world in which the leader of the DUP is not a woman, the ex UKIP leader is not a woman, Marine and Marion Le Pen do not exist, and Ann Coulter and Katie Hopkins are fictional characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 04:31 PM
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You keep making it sound like it is just a one-odd woman. Heck, we have just had a general election here in Britain and a record number of female MPs were elected. Most endured incredible amounts of online misogyny, like all women with strong opinions (the usual I am going to find you and rape you etc.), and they all stuck out for views seen as unpopular by large swathes of people. Anything from Scottish Independence to a softer Brexit. Your portrayal of women willing to stick out as odd weirdo …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 04:18 PM
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That is a famous saying. The best partner? Your absolute best friend forever with benefits!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 03:31 PM
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I have a friend who always says, 'You can date a single mother/father without getting along with the kid, but you cannot date a dog-owner if you don't get along with the dogs.' So that in itself was probably as much a sparkle as dog people (especially in Britain) can hope for. I never really believed in the whole personality type matching craze. I have taken that test, but I do not think it is a particularly accurate measurement. But I'll have a look at that article and maybe I'll find out somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 03:30 PM
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Yes, this is very true. In a sense, the 'ideal' state is the complete lack of pills and games and strategies. It's rarer than most think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 03:26 PM
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I do believe this is how it happens most of the time. The 'spark' happens over time, as you really get to know the person better and you begin to envisage spending the rest of your life with him/her. So it is more like a gradual process of discovery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 03:25 PM
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Let's do that: The real reason is that women cleave to the popular. It is a rare woman that will decide her position, stick her neck out, and go against what is popular. No. The right way to think about it is that fascism was popular in the 1930s, and as a result, women were more likely to support it. Women display the same herd mentality when it comes to non-political issues. Do you wish to embarrass yourself further by not admitting what you just said about women being 'herd-minded' and 'just …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 02:53 PM
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You said women have a 'herd-mentality', both you and I have proven you wrong. You yourself admitted the suffragettes were unpopular among women as well. There was nothing 'herd-minded' in being a renegade group detonating bombs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 02:47 PM
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Hahahahahah I have justified your non-position more than it actually deserves to by answering to you. Start the education by rereading everything I have written.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 02:45 PM
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These were still women who stuck their necks out. So your profession that women do not move out of the group is utter nonsense. Of course, women with internalised misogyny could not see themselves as capable of supporting themselves without a husband were afraid of feminists. Gay men also won legal rights because they had allies. The same goes for black people. It is what happens when a group of people (white men) has unjustly monopolised power. You are trying to demean the incredible achievemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 02:20 PM
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See, I think women are naturally disadvantaged when it comes to low-skilled but well-paid jobs. This is simply because women are not as physically strong as men. I think the Army is definitely not the only choice men have. There are other jobs, like being a construction worker, which are very low-skill but do not carry any stigma and on the contrary are seen as low-class but still 'essential to society'. Likewise, a bouncer can be a hero under the right circumstances. The Army itself is glorifie…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 01:27 PM
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So it was long before you knew her well?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 10:01 AM
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No, I agree with you. 'The one' is actually one of millions. I just believe most people just settle and do not really go out of their way to hunt for that group of people they would be truly highly compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 09:53 AM
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Women are so unlikely to stick their neck out for unpopular views the suffraggettes detonated bombs, got arrested repeatedly, were ostracised and sexually abused by the police, and still carried on. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 09:29 AM
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Hahahahahah well, that's another metric of evaluation and one I actually agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 07:19 PM
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I do. I do not believe the majority of the population can pair off and live happily together for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 07:18 PM
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What a huge angry, fact-free ramble. Come back when you are less angry at feminists for being successful, buttercup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 11:38 PM
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Even single moms, more concerned with raising their kid than chasing an alpha, simply will not accept to be part of the 'harem'. So this harem thing is just not how things work out in a deregulated SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 11:13 PM
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There is actually a modern trend of high-earning middle-class women marrying working-class men. I think having a dad for your kids who is present and cares is valuable in itself even when the financial comfort provided is minimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 11:00 PM
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You keep describing the current SMP. Yes, there are women who just want sex, but they are very selective. So you need to be a top man to attract those women, but you will not hold their attention forever. They will leave you for a committed 'beta', they might get angry if they find out you are not exclusive, they will just find a man who is even better. You have young women with a turbulent private life who do just this, and they do it with guys who are young and hot. Once the guys begin to bald…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:52 PM
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There are plenty of women who raise a kid by themselves. Also, there would be a spike in women 'turning lesbian' simply to have someone else to share child-rearing with. The 'provider' card was taken away from men a long while ago. And there is still the fact that men are more desperate for sex than women. So women leaving en masse because he is a cheater means no sex, and certainly no harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:46 PM
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Prostitution is legal here in the UK. Why subsidise it for incels? They can pay the pristitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:43 PM
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How does a harem form in such an environment? We don't currently have any laws against harems. They don't form because women do not hang around once they realise the guy is cheating and not sharing his attention, affection and resources with her alone. In a free market, you have supply and demand. There is no high demand for guys who are not faithful (they might cheat, but they have to do it carefully and they deal with a lot of drama when they do), so the demands of women simply don't allow for…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:32 PM
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Ah I didn't notice another guy had hijacked the thread, I thought you were the same guy I was answering to before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:29 PM
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But that is very different from a Western 'deregulated' SMP. In the West, women work and have careers and do not depend on a man's resources. They have online dating websites which give them limitless options. They are not forced to stay with one man and be part of his 'harem' and they can have multiple men. So what you are describing are simply caged women sharing limited resources, it's not a deregulated SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:27 PM
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Are you going to say that to him as well, of just me?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:20 PM
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A 'natural' SMP is one which responds to the natural laws of supply and demand. So if you have free men as free women making their free choices regarding who they want to sleep with, you'll get a 'natural' marketplace based on their demands. That us what we have nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:17 PM
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Well, since women were basically enslaved and could not own property and there were no laws against marital rape and had no access to careers, universities and safe abortions I would not call it a good system without casualties. The freedom of a whole gender was the casualty, along with all the women who died through unwanted childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:15 PM
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Still bitter that no girl buys you drinks, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:13 PM
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That is not a natural SMP at all, that is a society without laws, which is very different from a deregulated SMP (which we currently have).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:12 PM
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Looool really? They are given more leeway when they have to be twice as good as their male colleague to be taken seriously and maybe have to deal with sexual harassment on top of that? Today, there was an article in the British papers explaining why our female Prime Minister has set back the struggle for women in politics by screwing up. A woman screws up = all women are held responsible and believed to be incompetent. We certainly did not have a 'all white men are seen as incompetent now' headl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:07 PM
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Where does this idea of the harem suddenly come from? I thought the established Red Pill norm was that women do seek 'beta Bux' at a certain point. So a deregulated marketplace is not a harem, it's just older women settling down with 'betas' after enjoying 'alpha' boyfriends in their youth. And a harem also implied one guy has a bunch of women all to himself. Most women on places like Tinder actually have multiple guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 10:04 PM
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Women are adults who make their own choices every day. They know a lot about responsibility and giving up your control (especially your financial control) to another person is a huge risk, and bound to backfire. Many men are also very bad at handling responsibility, so it is good that they have responsible wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:58 PM
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What exactly will make her happy about being like that? You are assuming her happiness depends entirely on this supposed 'alpha', but he is simply not going to seem that exciting to her once the initial honeymoon period is over. How does being subservient help when they have kids and the guy is not doing his share and supporting her? How does being modest help her when the guy tries to shame her to make her feel insecure? Indeed how is this man going to be supportive of her career, her ambitions…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:45 PM
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Thank you. Judging by the content of the post, I will keep in mind that it would have been left standing had I simply substituted the word 'feminist' with the word 'woman'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:20 PM
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The weekly off-topic thread (is that what tu mean?) is for off-topic subjects. This is a post about dating dynamics, Red Pillers and how women react to advances and why. It is not off-topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:13 PM
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I would love to know how many women would try to body-shame men after the men agreed with them that they have a nice body. You should try and test that. The anger and aggression in the responses of these clearly speaks of bruised male egos. And it's funny to see the desperate lengths other men will go to to blame the women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:09 PM
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You have just spewed a bunch of utter nonsense. Feminists want women to be confident, not superhuman. You are simply confident if you do not allow a man to make you feel insecure. The issue with the covers is mostly that it does not benefit women to have their own gender represented in ways which pleases men to an unrealistic extent. A woman who looks at another woman on an ad wants to see herself, or what she could potentially look like. If you instead show a super-skinny, sculpted-faced perfec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:07 PM
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The men's angry responses are too overblown for that to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 09:01 PM
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Tactless towards whom? His tiny ego? It's a cheeky/funny thing to say in that context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 08:59 PM
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She agreed with the compliments on purpose. She was making a point, showing what happens when these men feel you just don't care about their praise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 08:58 PM
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This, however, completely missed the point of the men's angry responses. 'Actually, I don't think you have a nice body at all, need to hit the gym.' He's obviously trying to body-shame her, come on. Yet another men angry because women are not dependent on his praise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 08:52 PM
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Have you actually read the interaction at all? He said she had a 'nice body' which is in itself a very rude thing to say to someone you've just contacted, right after 'hi'. She said she agreed, and he angrily back-pedalled and tried to shame her, telling her she doesn't have a great body, and needs to hit the gym. This happens to women per and over again online, as the other women have confirmed. These men want women to be dependent on their praise and for women to care about what they think of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 08:50 PM
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They are doing something very important: they are sharing this reality with other women, many of whom have also experienced this (look at the long list of women who have agree with her), so that they know what's up and learn how to defend themselves. It's great that they are supporting each other. Also, as I said, it's a great thing that these women are receiving approval of like-minded women, so they can better share their experiences and arm themselves against these men. Their 'self-esteem' do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 08:38 PM
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Valkyrie from Valhalla? A woman who is simply not over emotional? You have very big issues, and you need to get out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 07:07 PM
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Their daughters are women. Here in the UK we support the prostrate scans of all men by paying into the public healthcare system. I do not see what kind of silly point you are trying to make since I don't know any men who 'support other men' and most men nowadays bitch about having to support a SAHM until she goes out and gets a job, at which point she becomes a selfish uncaring career whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 07:07 PM
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Funny, last time I checked women with jobs supported themselves, paid taxes and many of them also supported their kids. But then again unlike you I live in the real world. You are okay with being subjugated and killed by an alpha. There are clearly a lot of psychological issues to address there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 06:39 PM
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I would honestly love to know what kind of environment you live in for your 'average girl' to be an overemotional crying wreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 06:37 PM
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And drinking all the punch and pie without leaving you a drop. Yup. Both fun things to do ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 02:59 PM
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Broscience. Broscience everywhere. Have you actually ever met a real woman? Heck, yesterday I had surgery and my surgeon was a woman. I wonder how come I came out alive. She ought to have just burst into tears midway through. Women are emotional, after all, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 02:57 PM
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If we wanted to keep things naturally unfair, most of the men on this sub would get killed by a true alpha tomorrow. Instead we developed civilisation, and so women do not just support the achievements of men. So that testosterone is not really a big deal now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 02:54 PM
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So you agree with me. They don't have any use. If I am with a guy, like with my boyfriend, I am going to expect him to do things for me. Find a use for him. Hard though that might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 08:12 AM
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Nope. The Church (the main driver behind this system) has repeatedly gotten in the way of scientific innovation. Globalists and liberals are the ones in favour of progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 05:08 PM
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That is a weirdly romantic thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 03:18 PM
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He assumes I can think like a macho-posturing Red Pill retard, you mean. I'm quite proud to admit I cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 01:52 PM
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A group of internet losers who need the Red Pill to try and get laid seeing the President of France as a 'beta male' should be merely regarded as very cute, and quite pitiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 12:36 PM
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This is basically the self-projection of every Red Piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 12:06 PM
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You just wrote three paragraphs trying to justify the dumbness of Red Pillers to me by pretending to know about ants' thinking patterns. Quod erat demonstratum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 11:50 AM
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Well, my boyfriend is fine with it and I am not a lesbian, so I don't think your opinion really matters. But thank you very much for your input. Female neckbeard stalkers exist as well, by the way. As demonstrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 11:48 AM
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Why exactly should the guy know about a decision he has no say over anyway? (This is off topic, by the way). If he does not want to keep the baby, the status quo is simply being maintained. If he does want to keep the baby, he will not get to, so it's simply better for him not to know. Makes sense to me. Also, are you a stalking neckbeard, obsessively and eagerly reading all my posts. What a cute stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 11:34 AM
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We humans (well, most of us) are a bit different from ants, because we are possessed of reasoning capabilities. These abilities allow the intelligent among us to think outside of the box, and not be fooled by everything the collective tells us. Red Pillers are of course not as advanced. They are the kind of people who will read some article on Breitbart without source or stats about immigrants or women and believe every word of it, and parrot it in the echo chamber. Many of them belong to the fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 11:31 AM
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Hahahah he seems to truly have touched a nerve with you. There is nothing edgy about Red Pillers. They are hive-minded, they believe everything they are told on that sub, they try to look tough by parroting random 'amoral' concepts stolen from elsewhere, and the majority of them drink down Breitbart propaganda like holy water.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 09:53 AM
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You did not present any science, you showed some stats about couples staying married if they have less partners. My parents were also married for their whole adult lives, and they hated each other. My mother hated being a SAHM. I have never met a SAHM who was not miserable and felt trapped because she had given away her financial independence to a man she grew to despise and could not leave. Also, divorced women and women who have kids later in life also do have those visits. And there are women…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 08:38 PM
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A lifetime of happiness? Are you kidding? Billy Bob does not give you a lifetime of happiness, and most of the friends I have who did go on Tinder for years, now have Billy Bob anyway. The point is that Billy Bob alone provides no happiness. Some flings can be very enjoyable, and you can have them plus the boyfriend, with different men. Also, the SAHMs I know are the most desperate women you could imagine. The kids are grown-up, they left home, they are trapped with nothing to do, completely inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 08:21 PM
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Of course. It takes two different set of traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 07:48 PM
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Do they? Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 06:20 PM
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Class culture and income are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 06:08 PM
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I have read a lot of details about your personal life which you have let slip on this forum. You are most certainly not the kind of guy I am referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:52 PM
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Yes, good of you to acknowledge that they are, in fact, fears. Most of the Red Pill guys posturing ad 'alphas' are actually said Billy. Otherwise they would not be afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:34 PM
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So you agree with me that there is no reason to stick with Bob and an open SMP is better?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:33 PM
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Well then, why don't we just never taste chocolate because too much chocolate is bad for us? Why do we watch television and not play Sudoku instead, if it is good for our brains? That is because we only live once, and life is partly made of pleasure. Billy Bob is not worth forsaking pleasure for, because in a world in which women support themselves, he offers very little.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:31 PM
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I would agree with making the base public. I am British and we have the NHS. Will never understand weird Amercan ideas. Men are the impregnators, so of course as a class they are responsible, and must pay for Planned Parenthood through taxes (as much as the women, who also pay taxes). I also pay for abortion clinics despite having never needed an abortion. You live in a community and can't look just after yourself. Men are part of the problem if women get impregnated, so they pay too. I also pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:25 PM
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Dad bods are unattractive. There is no hamstering that away, no matter how much you would like to tell me what I am supposed to find attractive lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:18 PM
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Casual sex merely makes you understand there are better lovers out there. It does not destroy your brain. It just reveals Bob for what he is: average.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:16 PM
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Sure, this is true. But a lover must also be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:13 PM
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Never understood this 'cat' thing. Surely if you succeed in not getting the responsibility of having to care for children, you would not then self-sabotage by getting cats, right? Anyway, you might take a look at the stats. Women initiate the majority of divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:10 PM
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Which can be contested and end up in alimony payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:05 PM
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But what you are assuming is that women in the past believed their Billy Bob to be the best. That is not true. They stayed with him for cultural reasons, possibly sleeping with the neighbour in the meanwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 04:03 PM
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I think we can legislate more around the workplace issue. There needs to be more wage transparency. Companies need to publish exactly how much they are willing to pay for X job, and how much they are paying each person who does X job.! I am 100% pro-choice. Abortion is still illegal in Ireland, and the Creature with a Wig wants to defund PPD in America, making abortion less accessible. It is true some women simply want to be close to their kids, but lots of men simply do not see childcare or hou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 03:44 PM
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Abortion is still illegal in Ireland, and the Fat Toad in Chief wants to defund PPD in America. He has also taken away the funds used to allow African women (often raped, carrying STDs and vulnerable) to abort safely. I think we can legislate more around the workplace issue. There needs to be more wage transparency. Companies need to publish exactly how much they are willing to pay for X job, and how much they are paying each person who does X job.!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 03:40 PM
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Yeah, so those who only ever had Beta Bob are not satisfied. They just pretend to live in ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 03:27 PM
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You mean in legal terms? Two. One (doing less childcare) is more of a cultural shift we need to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 03:26 PM
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Sexism in the workplace, aka not being taken seriously. I can bring endless examples of this. Abortion. Not being expected to do all the childcare/house maintenance once they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 03:16 PM
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So basically you agree that a closed SMP where they have to stick with the guy they don't like is bad for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 03:02 PM
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Mind that an open SMP includes ONS and short flings. The latter are more like affairs through which women can orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:54 PM
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Women with higher N count are unhappy because they know what's out there and they settled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:47 PM
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The argument was made on my post as to why I think a deregulated SMP is better for women. If you cannot challenge that, fine. The point of changing one's mind is that one has to have an opinion to be changed to begin with. That opinion does not need to be 'in good faith' if it is supposed to be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:42 PM
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You haven't quoted one single thing which contradicts my points. Women are not more unhappy because they have least satisfying sex, but because they have too many responsibilities. Big difference. The studies you have shown merely say people who have had less partners are less likely to break up. Doesn't mean there aren't other reasons why they are not breaking up, eg. They prefer stability, are religious, want to raise kids. None of this has got anything to do with sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:39 PM
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Are you going to quote that old, tired study which shows women getting more unhappy and specifies they are struggling to cope with all the responsibilities of childcare, housecare and career? That's what you base your 'women are dissatisfied' assumption on? Also, what exactly makes you think women who only have one partner are satisfied? There is a big difference between staying in a marriage because of cultural or religious reasons and being satisfied. In the 1950s, women were on anti-depressan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:08 PM
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It is a desire just for a woman's body, so it is objectifying. The civilised thing to do is to hide it in everyday situations. If you do not hide it, you are behaving like an animal and women will be repulsed and shame you for it. Not to mention have you arrested for harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 01:26 PM
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To be honest, I have a bf, I am out of the dating 'market' and I too think it is gross when older men go for really young women. I don't mean if they go for late 20s girls, but rather for 18/19 year olds. Girls at that age, like all young people, can be easily manipulated so the power divide is just too huge and the girls in such relationships are often vulnerable. The guy rarely takes them seriously, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 01:17 PM
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IUD plus condom (which should always be used with strangers) is pretty much a 100% guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 12:57 PM
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It's 'sweetie', and you must capitalise 'you' at the beginning of a new sentence. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 08:00 PM
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Bless you for being one of the very, very few people who thinks this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:58 PM
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Naturally. Some advantages of being educated is being able to write in a grammatically coherent manner and having been around other educated people long enough to understand why the 'caveman mentality' of 'what women say doesn't count' is considered unattractive and uncivilised. It is a mentality which would get you fired by our female Prime Minister, if you were an Oxbridge graduate working in the British government. If you show none of the traits associated with education, you can't reasonably…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:44 PM
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I have to say, I am impressed. I would have never expected to hear the expression 'white privilege' on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:33 PM
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Note: there is a difference between a liberal and a raging SJW. Macron and Trudeau are considered to be very hot, and they are liberals and globalists. I knew plenty of guys like them at university. They were a different crowd from the 'SJWs'. So I would say appearing civilised and being a 'normal' liberal is definitely attractive. Being a SJW is not, but that is true for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:31 PM
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Thank you for proving my point regarding men trying to get the attention of women who don't care much about them by resorting to unconventional/rude techniques.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:13 PM
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Of course. Your grammar just does not sound at all like it. And you said all your boyfriends did not go to college. Ask any Red Piller about how many university-educated women go for less educated men (hypergamy, eh?) and you will see the point I was making regarding most college-educated women and what they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:11 PM
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P. S. Of course to each their own /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin but many of us women who went to university and/or are middle class are simply repulsed by the gorillas who are too uneducated to know anything about feminism or current liberal issues and have that caveman mentality 'whatever the women say doesn't count' mentality (of course the cavemen themselves would type that without adding the apostrophe, even). They are just very unattractive to many of us, so men have to care about these things and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 06:57 PM
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Many men are obsessed with what women think of them. They want to be liked and worshipped. They desperately want to invade women's spaces because they crave female attention. If they can't have it the normal way, they will try to get it in other ways: by troll-stalking on twitter, by obsessively reading everything women write and spouting bile over it. A lot of what feminists say also concerns whether or not women will or won't fuck them. If you become a pariah because you are deemed a misogynis…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 06:44 PM
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So... 'Women are evil and for for a guy due to feefees and then dump him' is what you got out of a book in which women are used as sex slaves, forced to give birth and treated as a subhuman resource? Lol okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:45 PM
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I know right. The illiterate redneck types who lurk there and have never heard of a comma in particular are embarrassing. 'Hey guys whats the alpha way to make this chik do anal.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 09:49 PM
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... So you think being a Geisha and being a slave to whether or not men like you sexually is economic freedom? Lol okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 09:19 PM
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No man is forced to do that to survive and get resources. Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 04:30 PM
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Exactly! They were not economically independent which is why they were trained from birth to manipulate men's affection in order to survive! And you do not see them as victims at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:37 PM
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They survive because others around them are less foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 10:42 AM
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So according to you, these geisha women were responsible for deceiving men? How else were they expected to survive? You do not seem to get that the best way not to be deceived that way is to have free women who are economically independent. At that point they will pick a mate based on whether they really like him or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 10:10 AM
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Why do you get angry at the women and not at the 'Chads'?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 09:20 AM
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I do not understand why you have such a negative view of this. To make you a practical example, I read Memoirs of a Geisha. The protagonist was sold to slavery as a child, not given an education, and groomed to be a geisha. She had no way to make her own money except by pleasing men. Eventually she fell in love with one of her clients. There was another very wealthy client who adored her and who wanted her to become his mistress. She fell into a depression because she might have been forced to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 09:18 AM
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Why? The point is still that not all women can pass a physical test.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 08:58 AM
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Imagine that men had a very low sex drive. They would still have kids to provide for, problem solved. As for men 'not interacting with women', I see gay men interact with women. I see men interact with grannies. I see super handsome men interact with ugly women they'd surely not have sex with. Men might not chase women anymore then, but that is a different thing altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 01:03 AM
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You are raving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:52 AM
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No, I agree with that. Only men have often carried out those massacres due to their sex drive (think of men in the caves killing other men to kidnap and rape their women).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:46 AM
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A guy does not have to be polite and it is not my responsibility to make him be impolite. Your argument is nonsensical and you are just bitter because women can get free dinners and men cannot. Just go get angry with the guys who pay for dinner,
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:43 AM
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You have not read my answer and do not know what the thread was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:38 AM
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I don't know, why did Trump sign that huge weapon deal with Saudi Arabia and take all that money from the worst country for women on Earth? I thought Ivanka said he likes to 'empower women' or something, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:36 AM
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I did not say men want courtship more than women. I said men want women more than women want men. That is how women set the societal standard of courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:30 AM
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You should read this. Guy was forced by his boss to take female hormones to make him less aggressive: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2007/oct/13/genderissues
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:24 AM
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Last time I checked, the Iraq war was driven by the men in power. Here in the UK, we joined forces because Tony Blair said so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:22 AM
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Well, we are getting rid of the male sex drive, not the female one. So I could get a girlfriend. We also might not get rid of the male sex drive in its entirety, but only severely reduce it until it is no longer aggressive in any way. It would change the dating dynamics a lot, but there would be positive outcomes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:52 PM
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Just because the man those women want is not courting them, it does not mean he is not courting someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:48 PM
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I do not think so. You know why? Because it sounds expensive to mantain. It is like paying for the lifelong transgender hormonal cute of half the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:45 PM
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I wonder why my boss at the office keeps me around if my value is in the sex he never got from me. I wonder why people hire me as a freelance writer. I wonder why I have friends. I wonder why my dad talks to me. None of these people are getting any value out of my pussy, after all. Now, in an imaginary world without the aggressive male sex drive, there would be all of that minus the sexual harassment from strangers, the rape threats, the creeps. This societal breakdown looks great.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:30 PM
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Your attitude is probably the reason why you are so angry at women and do not have much success with them. The guy sued her because she left in the middle of the date and even made him worry. Also, here in the UK we do not sue people for their every fart. This obsession with suing is entirely American and here you would get laughed at.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:27 PM
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They are of course free not to pay for me at the end of the date. I do not recall ever putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:21 PM
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Tell me how many people get raped, harassed, beaten and killed because of 'female materialism'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:13 PM
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You put your niece in your pictures too? I can tell you why women did not like it. They assumed you were a single dad. Or that you are so invested in your niece you will not devote all your energies to the relationship and the resulting kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:09 PM
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I agree. Only apparently there is a widespread problem because culturally speaking men think it is okay for them to do less, and the women have made it loud and clear that cultural policy is not okay with them. So that is why they push men to change. Because men are behaving in a way many women are not willing to accept within their marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:00 PM
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Naturally I am talking about the male sex drive, and not about individual men. I am not saying men, as a whole, act like this. What I am saying is that the motivation behind Elliot Rodger's crimes and most of the murders of women is the male sex drive, which is a lot more problematic to society than hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 10:00 PM
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No, it is held together by technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 09:56 PM
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Physically? Yes. But the point is that humans are not animals (well, most of us aren't), so out hierarchies of power are not physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 09:44 PM
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Well, what it seems like she was trying to say is that men seeing sex as a reward can be problematic. There are women who do not want to give sex to them. Ever. No matter what they do. Because women are people who make free choices regarding who they do or don't sleep with. Men seeing sex as a reward can be a problem because it creates resentment. I did this and that for you and you still went and fucked that other guy, you bitch! I have been your friend this long and you still don't fuck me? In…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 09:12 PM
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This really doesn't sound right. I can't think of a woman more aggressive and abrasive than Ann Coulter, and altright/tradcon guys touch themselves whilst thinking about getting whipped by her all the time. They even openly admit it in the comment sections beneath anything related to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 08:28 PM
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Amanda Marcotte is fantastic. There was only one time in which I thought she was going a bit off the rails. She linked an article for which men had been interviewed about their views on contraceptives. 15% of the men (if I recall correctly) said they could not see how their partner using contraceptives benefited them personally. Now, because I like to keep an open mind, I can come up with various explanations for why these men would say that. Maybe they use condoms themselves, maybe they had a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 08:21 PM
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My opinion is that if you have ideology X which tells you to kill people, and you take the two most extreme supporters of that ideology, one male and one female, the male will advocate to kill people. The female will advocate to torture them both emotionally and physically until they beg for death, and then to skin them alive slowly until their hearts give out. You are right that the creators of these ideologies are mostly men, but I think women are then prone to adopt a more extreme version of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 07:08 PM
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It all seems based on age and beauty standards. There are plenty of older women who are ready to have sex, as we all know, since they have experienced more of it and know what they like. There are also many overweight girls who are ready to lower their standards. Every argument referred to by the Red Pill seems focused on a very specific category of women, which many of them would probably not have access to even if we lived in a patriarchy (because they could marry better men). What I find surp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 06:01 PM
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Remember: when there is a depraved, misogynistic ideology, there will always be a small group of women driving it, and they will be more extreme than all the men subscribing to that ideology put together. There were Nazi women who worked as guards in concentration camps who committed worse atrocities than their male counterparts (the men actually had mental breakdowns after killing too many people). There are women working for ISIS who personally beat and shave the heads and destroy women who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:54 PM
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Here is a question: if Red Pillers say most women want children and marry 'beta Bux' in the end, doesn't that imply most men do eventually get a woman? So how does this cause social instability? The way I see it, these guys are mostly complaining about not having access to a hot college party girl, and honestly very few people are going to feel sorry for them about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:44 PM
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'Men start off in life without approval so they tend to want it' is very poetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:24 PM
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This answer makes a lot of sense, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 09:31 AM
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That deep feeling of pity you get when a man is so desperate he needs to tell a random woman on an anonymous forum he is an 'alpha' who gets 'lots of female attention'. So sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 07:44 PM
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You know nothing about science, kid. You are grasping at desperate, flimsy straws to give weight to your meaningless narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:47 PM
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Lmaaaooooo you are funny. The world doesn't spin the way you'd like it to, unfortunately. Go get some fresh air once in a while and you will see how women out and about 'submit' lol. You should do an internship with my former female boss for a full picture of the 'biologically limited' way in which she destroyed every single male co-manager.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:46 PM
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No, this is what the trashiest of the shallow trash of the female gender thinks of women who go to a sperm bank. Heck if this is really what Red Pillers have in mind when they think of 'women' and how they behave, everything they say makes sense now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:32 PM
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You are twisting facts. Men might be more physically aggressive due to testosterone, but women can be just as aggressive and show it in a different way. You have no understanding of hues and subtlety.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:25 PM
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The reason why this 'biological fact' is challenged so much here is because we do not regard your broscience pseudo-opinion based on facts you seem to not have even understood with authority. Your desire to make these baseless assertions and present them as irrefutable truths shows you have a closed mind, and for some reason desperately want to create an illusionary world in which women conform to what you would like them to be. Instead, we have more inquiring and open minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:12 PM
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Incels have got too much time on their hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:40 PM
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That already makes slightly more sense than what you said before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:31 PM
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Lmaoooo tell yourself whatever you need to attempt to feel a little bit alpha and dangerous, kid. If that was the case, why isn't the Red Pill an exchange forum for guys trying to go visit prostitutes? If that was the case, why are there so many men on there who are petrified of getting rejected by women? Why do they spend so much time trying to have women like them and see them as 'alphas' if they could just get sex with some desperate single mother in exchange of resources? You will find that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:30 PM
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What you just said makes zero sense. Men cannot do stuff by themselves. They need the group/tribe whatever. Women also cannot do stuff by themselves, so they need the group. The difference is what methods men and women use to make the group behave as they want. Neither a man nor a woman can be entirely self-reliant, and that is how society was built.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:01 PM
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But men seek the approval of women. If they did not, they would just rape and visit prostitutes. 90% of what men do when they fight with each other for prestige, they do to impress women. That is seeking a form of social approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:59 PM
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Of course she would run into the building. Her instinct propels her to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:49 PM
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This is really interesting. I do not follow the series, but I would like to watch this episode. What's the name? Who is the character you are referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:33 PM
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I sort of agree with you, and you have unwittingly made a very feminist argument. Femininity is just female behaviour, and a woman does not turn into a man when she puts a pair of trousers on or acts a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:24 PM
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Well, your fallacy is that there are 'bossy bitches' who actually do not give a damn about your 'attention', but rather they want something specific. I am totally a bossy bitch with my lawyer when I think he is being sloppy, and there are bossy bitches in work environments who are that way because they want things done a certain way. You might flatter yourself thinking they are after your 'attention', but that is not the case. Unless they are dating you of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:21 PM
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So a hungry woman who goes out without any makeup or nice clothes and barks and shrieks aggressively at some dude at the bakery because she does not want him to get the pastry she wants and gets it instead is acting feminine? The woman who is a total controlling bitch at work because she just wants to bring home the bacon is feminine? This is an interesting view because from what I see, what is described as 'feminine' is often a very elaborate form of behaviour which takes practice, and is not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:19 PM
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Yes, this is true. Although women can also let go of their survival instinct in some cases, such as when their children are threatened.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:15 PM
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The Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:14 PM
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Try getting a female cat. And get a dog as well. You know the old saying? To be a balanced person you must have a dog who adores you, and a cat who ignores you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:04 PM
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You haven't read the sidebar. The law I am talking about even has a name.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:03 PM
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I do not understand why you say it is women who 'hold back' for social approval. The first thing you hear on the Red Pill is to act like everyone else to fit in in public and not get into trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:26 PM
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Women are self-reliant, only in a way you do not get. The woman who uses cunning to make the group do as she says does not really care about the group, she exploits it. She uses her appearance to deceive, too. A dog can also be a stray dog on its own by the way, but actually a masculine entity is more group-focused, because it cares about protecting the tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:21 PM
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Yeah, I mostly see it this way. Especially women relying more on cunning for physical reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:19 PM
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'Insatiability of desire' is feminine? How about the men who spend their lives trying to score pussy and can't get enough? Or get porn addicted? Also, how is the need for social approval feminine? The whole of the Red Pill is based upon making men conform to an approved standard (fitness, financial success) so that they can display their social standing and be approved of by women who will then agree to sleep with them because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:01 PM
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Bossy bitch* sorry for the typo. You have never had a boss who was a bossy bitch? I've met a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:48 AM
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So the female serial killer with the cooing maternal voice who lures in kids and kills them is feminine? The whole point is that humans do not behave in this binary way you describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:24 AM
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Ok, so basically the Red Pill traps women into a 'reactionary' state. Can't do anything on their own, they are passive, they are desperately thirsty for Chad and waiting around for him. My question is, how do Red Pillers react when things do not work out that way in real life? Because lots of women do not behave like that. How do they stay 'alpha' around a 'bossy butch' or whatever else?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 10:52 AM
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Because some of us are humans who care about more than getting their dicks wet. The original question was whether I would be repulsed if I found out my boyfriend had been to see a prostitute. I said yes, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:54 AM
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I have genuinely no idea why people paint dating as something pleasant. Dating is like trying to start a company and trying to assemble a team and some funding which can actually hold the project together. It's not that fun to see the whole project collapse over and over again because you run into the wrong sort of people. The uncertainty and the occasional wondering about whether you will eventually find someone is not what I call 'fun'. So I think if you have found someone who might happily ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:54 PM
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No, I get that, and I know it happens. Only that is not the reason why many guys go to an escort, and it still means the woman is stuck in that lifestyle which is quite dangerous. A situation in which a man has not been touched in 40 years and the woman is a prostitute in general sucks for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:36 PM
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I will never understand this nonsensical belief that some of you guys have about women 'pair bonding' with the first guy they fuck. Heck, I cheated on the first guy. There was no pair bonding. People pair bond when they like someone. It is not a matter of numbers and romantic glasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:32 PM
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A woman can choose to be a prostitute, but that does not mean the choice is smart and that she is not putting herself at risk by exposing herself to shitty men who treat her like an object and might hurt her. You show zero compassion and are trying to rationalise it all away by claiming it is 'her choice'. Sometimes people make bad choices. And others, like me, want to help them and feel empathy for them. Then there are stunted, ignorant, small people like you who instead think their dick is mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:27 PM
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Feminism ensures women are independent and not controlled by their husbands or dependent on men's resources and praise. I bet you think that sucks, lol. That's exactly the reason why feminism is amazing, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:58 PM
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The voice of common sense speaking here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:53 PM
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There are guys out there who like anal sex. They would like it if some dude came over and impaled them. Why shouldn't they do it to you? That would be giving you special treatment too, right? They're not budging either. Not until they've busted a but inside you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:46 PM
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I suggest you reread my post and try to comprehend what I have written this time around. You will find a few points on how being traditionally feminine (aka passive and demure) screws women over at work. You seem very ignorant about the reality of the real world, and again it looks like you have not read my post. I am glad to hear you live in a world in which every woman just relaxes whilst her lovely husband brings home money and gives it all to her to spend as she likes, and she can make all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:43 PM
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This is a big bunch of crap, and I won't dignify it by addressing it all, so I will not get past addressing the first two points. 'Femininity' as in 'be submissive to men, stay at home, do not earn your own money, do not be ambitious and do not be in control of your life' royally screws women over. It is most definitely a social construct men can use to keep women dependent on their resources and their praise. Do you think 'femininity' is a good thing when a woman cannot support herself and has …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:21 PM
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Nope. And I do not recall ever liking it. Red Pillers claim there is this 'cock carousel' phase in which every woman likes that. An absolute lie. I remember being quite bossy around boys even in high school. And some other girls were too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 08:31 PM
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I think that looks like a good effort to understand the opposite gender. The main problem which comes with a lack of understanding is that the reasons behind why women act in a certain way are misinterpreted. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few things: Our reproductive biology is more 'complex' and can be dangerous to us. That is why we need pap tests and gynaecological check-ups, and we get a lot of hatred for this, because we are at times accused of using up more healthcare resources …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:17 AM
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I am from the UK too. To use the Red Pill terminology, I rarely recall every seeing a 'pre-wall' woman getting married here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:23 AM
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No modern career woman would even think of settling down in her early 20s. Late 20s to early 30s is standard these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 09:37 AM
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To be honest, most MHRA stuff I have seen is not about the rights of men. It is about taking away the rights of women. Hell, there was a segment about these men who wanted their signature to be necessary for the woman to abort their child. They are not the ones having to deliver it, they are not the ones getting the nausea, the pain and the body deformation. They don't get to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 02:22 AM
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The worst part was that at the beginning they almost lay him off because they could not prove that 'the kid had not consented' (the kid informed a guard of what had happened minutes after the fact, by the way, and the rapist was already back in the pool swimming).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 11:49 PM
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Let's remember the story of the refugee who raped a 10 year old boy in a pool in Austria a few months ago and later said it had been a 'sexual emergency'. I doubt he was a pedophile exclusively interested in children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 07:40 PM
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Lmao I have volunteered in women's shelters. You have no idea of what reality is like, you wallow in your ignorance and lack of empathy for women and the sad thing is you are not even young! Time to grow up and discover the real world and the violence women suffer, old kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 07:31 PM
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Because your claims that the whole world is subjugated by a SJW Conspiracy is so retarded it is not even funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 07:15 PM
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Right. Instead a reddit edgelord really knows enough about science, the economy etc. to know what's truly going on and how we are all in the middle of a conspiracy theory. This is so pathetic I just need to pet you now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 06:50 PM
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Did you even read what I wrote? There is no fantasy world in which women are 'radiant and feminine'. There is only a real world in which if you do not earn your own money you are subservient to another person who feeds and clothes you and decides how you spend your money and where you go and he can cheat on you and you cannot leave him because you cannot support the children on your own. Grow. The. Fuck. Up. And. Stop. Watching. Disney.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 05:58 PM
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Literally look at the top answer of that second thread lmao. She explained it perfectly and you still don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 04:56 PM
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There were husbands in the past who abused their wives, beat the kids, forced them to give them blow-jobs for extra cash, forbade them to go outside on their own, policed who they could and could not see, enforced rigid control on the children the wives did not agree with, controlled all the family activities and finances. If the wife managed to leave such a husband, she would often find herself with no job experience or skills, working in a supermarket for the rest of her life. Nowadays that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 04:55 PM
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Men just do not get that these creeps are aggressive. They follow you down the street, they call you a stuck-up bitch who thinks too much of herself when you reject them and they can also grab you, say you are a slut who'll end up very badly one day if you don't learn to be polite. They are disgusting and aggressive and they can harm you. Heck, if I were American and it was legal to do so I would keep a gun with me at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:57 PM
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Bring me an actual example of feminists doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:49 PM
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They love them so much many of them about the foetus before it turns into an infant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:44 PM
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You keep saying 'women should' and 'women ought to'. People do whatever they want. The player is free to cheat, but he will get dumped by the girls, word will spread around his social circle that he is a liar etc. Men simply want women a lot more than women want men. So if women do not have sex with a man on the first date, he has to keep dating her to get sex etc. This is why you have dating sites always struggling to get women on board and the dating standard is that the man pays for dinner. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:40 PM
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Hahahahahah sure because whore-shaming and slut-shaming is not a thing, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:03 PM
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A car is high value when it gets you smoothly from point A to point B. A car which does not take you from point A to point B might be nice and shiny, but it is still useless. Same thing with these men. A woman wants a man who pays attention to her, invests a lot in her, is faithful to her, devotes himself to her, would risk his life for her. A man who does not do all these things because he is a 'player' is automatically low value, because he is like a shiny car which does not work. He does not …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:01 PM
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Because a bunch of guys over there have decided to improve their marriage and are unconsciously leading towards divorce. The wife is initially confused as to why her husband is suddenly treating her as a subhuman child and 'lifting' instead of doing half of the cooking, cleaning and child rearing as he should. Once the game is up... divorce rape! AWALT! DO NOT GET MARRIED GUYS LEARN FROM NY MISTAKES!!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 01:48 PM
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Well, that sounds like an amazing theory. Another even more amazing one is that the moment you realise a man is 'plating', you realise he is low value (hence, for your understanding, why such fruity epithets as 'piece of shit' are used to describe them). So you leave and find a high value man who understands his to be in a civilised relationship. You are so desperately trying to hamster away women's advantage in the sexual marketplace. All women expect to be chased. All women expect men to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 01:46 PM
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Says the man who just wrote three paragraphs explaining how womyn are meanies who challenge their men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 10:17 AM
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Never said the pagans were feminists, only that they treated women like actual characters with personalities (look at Hera herself). The Bible treats women like two-dimensional subhumans.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 10:09 AM
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Yes, because women actually have ambition and want their own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 10:08 AM
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Pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 10:07 AM
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Lmaooooo a person who is just not a 'commodity for sex' has 'an inflated expression of her worth'. This is why these guys are literally the most low value men one could find on earth, incapable of respecting women. I don't know why they fear divorce rape so much. Nobody would want to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 10:05 AM
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Yeah, you nailed it. You just compared a woman to a dog. You do not respect her authority within the relationship at all. Unless the woman is seriously psychologically damaged, she'd leave a man who treated her like this immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 10:03 AM
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Dear me, I must bring back 'true womanhood' and make all the women go back to the kitchen! Or else the poor men will feel hurt and go to the Red Pill because the 'corrupt' women were mean to them!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 12:44 AM
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Being autistic makes a person less capable of understanding social cues (hence why TRPers need every social interaction to be explained to them). That would not stop your IQ from being 250.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:45 PM
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'TRP ideology' is a mixture of common sense easily grasped by non-autists, wild conspiracy theories, paranoia and traditional machismo. There is very little to contradict, because nothing about this 'ideology' is rooted in logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:40 PM
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I am always amused when male strangers on the internet feel the need, in the middle of a debate, to tell me they are men with options/alphas/whatever. There is literally nothing better they could do to convince me they have no options, no success with women and that is why they went on the Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:24 PM
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Let's take a few Red Pill quotes: 'She wants to be led. She is like a child who wants responsibility taken away from her.' 'You should make all the decisions and punish her by retreating emotionally when she misbehaves.' 'She must leave her pathetic girl frame and enter your world. Your life is more exciting than hers, she is an inferior being.' 'Remember that whenever you talk to a woman, you are talking to the most mature adolescent in the house.' A pretty clear picture, I would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:14 PM
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Yes. It came as a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 10:10 PM
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Your 'a woman wears a dress it means she is not to be taken seriously' sounds like office cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 10:00 PM
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That is because many Red Pillers post here. The STEM discussions happen in the Red Pill sub and other similar places.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:48 PM
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See, I am very much against 'pantsuits' because the innuendo is that in order to be professional a woman needs to look like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:38 PM
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Blind hiring is enforceable if you are hiring musicians and you make them play behind a screen (and when this gets done, studies have shown, the gender gap disappears), but many jobs require you to interview the person you wish to hire.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:36 PM
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I said 'the Manosphere'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:35 PM
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Again, because if discrimination these women might not even be given a chance because employers might see them as incapable despite that not being actually true, simply because they talk and present themselves differently from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:31 PM
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That's nice. I have never seen a forum dedicated to this conspiracy. Half the Manosphere mentions what I said though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:30 PM
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The big problem of enforced 'masculinity' is that it makes men bottle up their emotions and not seek help, which can be lethal in some cases. So one very positive aspect of this systematic 'betaification' of men we feminists have 'imposed' is that many young men are slowly becoming more open to seeking help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:24 PM
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You know what is really weird about what you just said? That the most sexist men seem to actually react better to a woman in real life when she dresses like a woman. You know how Trump said he wanted his staff to 'dress like women'? You know how all the most loony old-fashioned conservatives call Ann Coulter an 'intellectual' and hang onto every word she says? We are talking about women who always wear dresses. And look at how much crap Hillary always got for those pantsuits. She even mentioned …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:18 PM
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I think because men are believed to be more 'logical' people to do not immediately dismiss a long speech from a man as 'chatter' and as 'illogical'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:12 PM
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I wish we lived in a world where quotas are not needed, but so long as there is discrimination against women and their levels of 'productivity' we need them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 08:10 PM
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I agree there is a difference. In fact, I would say what feminists mostly argue against is societal shame for one's sexuality. A man can date whoever he likes and that's totally fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 08:08 PM
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I read somewhere that autism is basically 'an extreme manifestation of the male brain'. This is probably a contributing factor. Men are not as good at figuring out social cues. This is also the reason why women are stereotyped as being 'cunning'. It is simply because they are more socially savvy and so understand interactions and social environments a lot better. So perhaps boys need to be explained some things a little more thoroughly, which is fine. Actually, I think it would help a lot if boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 08:07 PM
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This is an absolutely spot on and wonderful reply and I wish I could upvote it more. The part about the vocal fry is truly interesting and something I did not know, although I did know Thatcher had to take elocution lessons to sound less feminine and more authoritative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:54 PM
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This is new, but I have no trouble believing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:51 PM
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Regarding the abortions, do you really think most women are that affected by them? Many women literally do not give a damn, do not see it as a life or a child, and to them having an abortion is no different than going to the dentist to have a tooth removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:48 PM
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Culture changes a great deal. Not so long ago a woman who had sex before marriage was a fallen woman. Nowadays women have hookups all the time and then go on to have a career because they are not supposed to be virgins. So you view is that things are the way they are, tough luck, nothing can be done. My view is that culture can and has always been changed. Slut-shaming can be thoroughly reduced and the stigma can even be reversed and go against the slut-shamer instead. As for 'culture', I mean t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:46 PM
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Have you ever noticed how a woman who looks very feminine is immediately seen as 'less professional' than a man? I have noticed it quite often. The man may be verbose, and he will still be listened to. If the feminine woman does the same, people literally start talking over her and dismissing her speech as 'chatter'. It happens in everyday interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:41 PM
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It means so little coming from me you answer me with paragraph after paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:30 PM
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Yes, and you have the truth back to front: being feminine means everything that comes out of your mouth is illogical. Or so goes the bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:29 PM
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I answered your question. And LOL at you criticising 'personal attacks' by telling someone to 'fuck off'. You can't hold a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:23 PM
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Would it be okay if their slut-shaming hurt your career? If your husband/family began to crumble under the pressure and turned against you and said you make like difficult for them by being such an embarrassment? This is what happens to women who are 'slut shamed' in various cultures and contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:22 PM
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As a matter of fact, Christianity did not lead to anything by itself. The Romans conquered most of Europe, are the reason why many European languages are similar, unified different countries under similar values. Our law system descends from Greek concepts. They invented Republics and Democracies. Nothing even remotely Christian about huge chunks of our society. Christianity only cane along within an already established Roman Empire built entirely by pagans, and appropriated pagan traditions (su…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:03 PM
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Well, I don't call those women 'disgusting sluts', if you want me to spell it out for you like I would to a five year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:48 PM
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Some men have these prejudices against them, so some women need to lie. If you stopped calling them disgusting, they would not need to lie. Women think of themselves as humans with a personality and not just a bunch of 'used holes', hence why they feel 'entitled' to a relationship. Because they are not subhuman commodities used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:46 PM
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Money going to old people is money they have earned through their pensions. Do you want to get angry at women because they live longer than men? Also, if we don't give money to single mothers we end up with slums, as we used to have in the Victorian age. There was no idyllic nuclear family fantasy. Explain that 'third world country' bullshit better. Men are responsible for their children, no matter whether or not their relationship with the mother survives. A man does not get to suddenly turn 40…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:44 PM
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That, plus the 'boys are becoming beta because they are being forced by feminists to express their emotions' red pill conspiracy theory. As a matter of fact, I have read different studies which show men who do express their feelings and seek help when they feel anxiety or begin to show the first symptoms of depression are far better adjusted and far less likely to commit suicide (more men commit suicide than women). According to the Red Pill, if you are feeling sad you should just lift more. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:34 PM
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Show me where I spoke of physical strength here. As I recall, I praised the laws in place which protect women from physical abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:23 PM
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Sure. You said men with guns 'steal from other men' when they stop them from mistreating women. Let's begin with that. As if mistreating women was an entitlement. You said taxes 'mostly go to women'. Here in Britain, taxes go to the NHS to cure the prostrate cancer of men, the illnesses of men and so on. You implied the taxman is 'stealing from you' to give money to women when taxes are your civic duty and the reason why you live in a functional society and not a third world shithole with unsafe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:23 PM
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You really are wrong. Many men here do not like women to be in STEM. They don't like them to have opportunities and ambition and independence. If more women did get into STEM, they would try their best to undermine their achievements, say the government 'stole' STEM jobs from men to give them to these women, that they are a nuisance, cause problems in the workplace, that the guys are less productive now they cannot make rape jokes because the women don't laugh at them and so on. There are a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:18 PM
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No, 'men with guns' do not 'steal' from you. Because women are not your property or possessions. Men with guns come to stop abusive men from being abusive, which is great. You do not have a right over the lives of women, so nothing is being 'stolen' from you when you are not allowed to abuse them, discriminate against them, harass them and screw them over.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:15 PM
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Last time I checked, most modern jobs do not involve physical strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:12 PM
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'Blowing the professor' 'Begging for a better grade.' You need to stop watching all this porn and most importantly learn the difference between porn and real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:05 PM
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I wonder what your solution would be. Forcing women to sleep with men they do not want?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:04 PM
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They shame these guys because they appear to expect women to... what, sleep with them? Even if they are not attracted to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 06:04 PM
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Whenever feminists try to say men need to express their feelings more, they are accused of being involved in a conspiracy which wants to turn men into 'beta manginas' and strip them of their masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:56 PM
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The whole thing about me 'wanting men to steal from other men' makes very little sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:54 PM
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Mind you that many Red Pillers like Christianity and sometimes even begrudgingly praise Islam. One of their core beliefs is that women need to be kept submissive and 'in check' by society, and both religions do just that by treating women as lesser beings who are the 'helpmeets' of men, ought to hold no authority and should submit to their husbands. Feminism is compatible with humanism and liberalism. They say the Sikh religion states men and women are equal, but when you look closer the Sikh co…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:52 PM
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Either that, or you just write like crap and make no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:47 PM
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As you yourself said, it is not the job of women to fix men's problems, unless they are psychologists. Let the psychologists handle that and see if they can find a solution beyond forcing women to sleep with these poor men or being their submissive wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:45 PM
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I'd like to know what exactly these 'competing jobs' are. The truth is that culture and social pressure matter a lot. If society ostracised women who compete, that has an effect. In Russia, for instance, there are plenty of women who have successful STEM careers because the 'women cannot handle mathematics' stigma is not there. And women are encouraged to pursue STEM. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39579321
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:43 PM
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The woman can be a great candidate. She would never have a chance to prove it without a gender quota because you'd be too biased against her for being a woman to hire her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:39 PM
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I have never, ever seen a woman say men's legal rights to be free, choose their partners and be independent ought to be taken away. You get men in the Manosphere saying women should have no access to careers and birth control all the time, and that it will lead to a 'societal decline'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:38 PM
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Not my fault if you are lazy and do not read the content offered yet answer citing the study you did not read. Maybe you need to boost your reading comprehension skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:36 PM
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The 'disgusting slurs' get relationships all the time. They simply do not tell men their n count, job done. Incels can't get a woman. Women who cannot get men do not turn violent. Instead, incel subreddits are filled with the most disgusting stuff about how these guys would like to 'rape slurs' to make them 'repent' and how they would like to go abroad and offer a hamburger to a starving woman in exchange for making her perform the most humiliating sex acts. There is a very, very big difference …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:34 PM
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I have just explained that there are certain problems men cite which have no solution, because the solution they want would restrict the rights of women. If there are other problems, let's listen to them. But you yourself said you have no idea what these men's problem is. I have listed a few, unfixable comments I have heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:31 PM
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Many men have described the problem. They say it is because women are independent, 'entitled', spend a lot of time away from home because they care about their careers and expect men to do half of the housework. None of this can be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:24 PM
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What you say makes no logical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:23 PM
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These are very bold, unsubstantiated statements which on the whole make up part of the reasons why gender quotas are needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:22 PM
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You literally just have a study in front of you saying there is a bias against women and you suspect it is women perpetuating it, when the study shows it is highly unlikely the women were even elected for the committee since men are biased against them. Literally ever proof is misogyny gets twisted by some guy who wants to make men appear faultless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:20 PM
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Both. Against other people. And LOL at it being preposterous that women be judged as humans rather than as fuckable or unfuckable meat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:17 PM
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What, specifically, should society feel empathic towards? What is the specific problem of these men, in detail?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:07 PM
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'Incels' are not men who can't get laid. They are creepy misogynists with a huge ego who think they 'deserve' a woman. That is what people complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:03 PM
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Which is why we have that famous police and justice system many guys around here seem to hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:01 PM
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There was this study carried out during orchestra auditions. If the committee knew the candidates who were playing were women, they showed a huge gender bias and hired men instead. When they were not informed of the gender of the candidate (who played behind a screen and wore heavy boots so they would not hear the sound of high heels), they ended up hiring 55% of the women, judging them only on their musical ability. The study is here: http://www.nber.org/papers/w5903 So as you can see, a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:57 PM
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This comment makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:52 PM
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Men can date or not date whoever they like. So can women. Only there isn't a whole online movement of women saying 'short ugly and promiscuous men are degenerate and are destroying society', yet you have a Manosphere where 'slurs' are described in very aggressive and dehumanising terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:50 PM
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Men are more aggressive, physically stronger and have higher levels of testosterone which lead to violence. Your attempt to spin it all as women being more aggressive on average is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:48 PM
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I don't want men shamed for having (consensual) sex. I want the women to enjoy it too without being shamed themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:47 PM
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What you have just said is women are pickier. Men with options are also picky and only sleep with hot women. All you have said is that ugly men are embittered because they want women to fuck them. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:43 PM
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Nice to see how you dismiss misogyny yet want male issues like the 'court system' to be taken seriously. You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:39 PM
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This is very good news. You do not seem to respect women, so a woman who settled down with you would be making a big mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:37 PM
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The 'I want to be a concubine in Chad's harem' thing still amuses me. Women want the best partner they can get. So do men, who would all like their girlfriend to look like a supermodel. Yet only women are told their preferences are 'problematic for society', 'hypergamous' ' or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:36 PM
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Lol 'woman kills man who threatened her because she can't call the police.' Also known as self defense. 'Man kills a woman because he thinks she is a slut/is not giving him sex/is disrespecting him/is annoying him/wants to kill him.' That us called a murderer. You keep writing paragraph after paragraph trying to justify the murder of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:33 PM
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Look at the violence implied in the comments! That is also what I mean. A violent, aggressive, hostile attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:30 PM
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What you just said makes no sense in reference to my post.z
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:27 PM
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Ahhh so you are referring to a BDSM fantasy women might have in the bedroom? I am referring to how Red Pill men treat women outside of the bedroom, aka still like children/subhumans/inferior creatures who ought to be submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:26 PM
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Look at every video featuring a plain woman like Chelsea Clinton. Look at the comments underneath. 'Fucking butterface I'd like to fucking punch her.' 'This bitch is disgusting only an omega would fuck her.' 'Who knocked up this buttfaced shit?' 'She should just kill herself.' I made an example with a popular public figure, but it really happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:25 PM
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Then of course there is a separate conversation to be had about the violence 'ugly' women experience just by virtue of not being what some men want them to be. A woman who is ugly and does not stay invisible gets a looooot of hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:18 PM
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Your idea of a 'great woman' is a submissive creature who has to depend on a man to survive. Career women want their own money. They want to tell men to fuck off and live their lives and not have to suck cock and bake cookies in the hope that their husband will keep giving resources to them instead than to their younger lover. They don't want to humiliate themselves that way and be independent. Patriarchal society has conveniently told us women are stupid and cannot earn their own money to keep …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:15 PM
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Nice to see you are taking a look at my comment list on my profile and stalking my conversations to tell the the exact same thing in every thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:10 PM
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No. It is the reason why so many women get murdered by their stalkers/partners though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:05 PM
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My boyfriend earns less than I do. And he is a few years older, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:04 PM
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Men find the women they watch on porn sexually attractive, but they shame and dehumanise them, as you have clearly pointed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:03 PM
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Because that is keeping them on charity. They have intelligence and ambition. They want to fulfil their potential, climb the ladder, get promotions, get power, get into politics, have opinions and be treated seriously. All things you could not understand because you see them as subhumans.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 04:02 PM
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I know this sounds unbelievable, but women can have low self esteem for a reason other than their looks. Because they are human beings with a personality and a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:53 PM
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Except a man having sex is not seen as disgusting. The woman is. Both men and women are shamed for eating shit. You are expressing a hatred of women in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:52 PM
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You mentioned before you are very 'high N count'. Would it be okay for you if your whole community ostracised you for being the 'scab of the pussy cartel', or is it all just fine so long as you are not the one paying the consequences of violent slut-shaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:50 PM
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Nope. Slut-shaming is always started by men. Some women adopt it when put under social pressure. Women have no reason to be ashamed of having many partners because their genes get carried on no matter who the father of their child is. Slut-shaming is rooted in paternity fraud fears. 'That uterus over there was touched by other men, so perhaps if I go near it it won't be my private possession.' It is an entirely male worldview, based on seeing women as walking uteruses and vaginas, used or not. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:48 PM
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No, it is right to give women the chance at a career so they are not dependent on men. Otherwise they could not keep their independence and dignity and would be bullied and abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:40 PM
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It is fine if he leaves. It is not fine if he shames, dehumanises and abuses her. Like so many men do. The mere concept of 'pumping and dumping' is rooted in contempt for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:34 PM
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'Man who says men should have the right to aggressively insult and dehumanise women says women are 'entitled' for fighting back and reminding people they are human beings.' Makes sense. I don't want to go anywhere near a Red Piller. But Red Piller do not want to live and let live, seeing how much time they spend explaining how a man should go out and pursue women and be sexual and if they don't want them they are entitled sluts/bitches. No one wants the commitment of these disgusting subhumans. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:32 PM
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If a woman does not have good sex with a guy, that is the reason why she drops him. Pretty easy. You'd figure it out if you emerged from your sea of woman-hating bitterness once in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:26 PM
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I wonder what level of subhumanity, sadness and despair a man must have reached to think that the fact women cannot physically protect themselves from violent assaulters is something to laugh at, to taunt them with. This desperate desire to strip women of their every accomplishment and to always portray them as weak pathetic children is so repulsive I am not surprised Red Pill men ended up on that sub because they 'struggle with women'. Colour me fucking shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:24 PM
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Of course sleeping with men is a 'failing' for a woman, but all the men in the Red Pill who employ the most disgusting manipulative techniques are great marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:22 PM
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Player shaming, creep shaming... all very good things. Also, if he thinks her conversation is crap, why does he hang around? Why does he go on dates? Why does he not just stay home and jerk off?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:20 PM
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Do you think it is because they are incapable? The truth is many men would not hire women because they are prejudiced against them, afraid they will start popping out kids etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:19 PM
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And if the guy turns out to be physically abusive, he shouldn't be arrested because you should 'own your choices', right? Heh, you picked an assaulter! Your fault! You were raped because you are wearing a mini skirt! Your fault! Then they wonder why feminists 'demonise' them. Well, because these men are actually demons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:48 PM
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Feminism helped put in place harassment laws and domestic abuse laws. There used to be a time in which men could beat their wives. No more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:46 PM
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Most men suck in bed, and orgasm quickly. So no, your argument does not stand. Also you seem to live in a fairy world where male violence and aggressive slut-shaming don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:45 PM
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Trust me, the amount of women who like to be the submissive little slaves of entitled misogynists who want to police their sexuality are fairly thin on the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:43 PM
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It's 'disgusting' according to men who want to control women's sexuality. Slut-shaming means judging a woman for her n-count instead of what she should be judged for: her intelligence, accomplishments, interests etc. Thank you for proving that you think of women as walking vaginas, are happy to dehumanise them, and therefore we need feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:42 PM
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Women get raped, beaten, belittled, objectified and slut-shamed. With feminism, they are fighting back against this. Your answer to their empowerment within society is that they 'complain too much' about having been victimised and have no empathy. I wonder why it is hard for many women to feel empathy for men who think the way you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:07 PM
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If these men were less thirsty, we'd simply have less violence against women, less misogynistic Manosphere websites, less stalking, less embittered slut-shaming. Please keep me informed on progress made on this front. It sounds wonderful for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:05 PM
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Man who wants to police female sexuality tells women their nature is 'problematic'. We women will totally take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:02 PM
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MGTOW treats women who 'complain' like utter shit, but when they themselves complain we should take them seriously! Sure!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:14 AM
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That's strange, because these men always refer to women expressing their issues with misogyny etc. as 'whining'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:13 AM
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Yeah no of course, we women are just given money 'by the government' lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:08 AM
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Mind you, there are men who are fine on their own and that's great. But what you say is proven by the MGTOW subreddit. You'd think a group of 'strong empowered men' who take no shit from bitches would be having the time of their lives, learning how to make lasagna from scratch and being really happy. Instead? The whole sub is a bunch of whining cat gentlemen wondering 'where have all the good women gone.' The Red Pill is very similar. There is the constant background noise about how we are 'in d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 10:26 PM
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It always seems so monstrous to me to truly imagine there are plenty of 'anti-feminists' out there, since feminism us basically human's rights and what have women the right to work, leave abusive relationships, get access to contraceptives and abortions so their biology cannot be exploited by men etc. There must be so much hatred in the heart of a true 'anti-feminist'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 10:06 PM
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Yes I agree. I actually think part of it is kids wanting to rebel against 'the establishment'. So if back in the day they saw 'conservatives' as the establishment they went liberal, and now instead they see liberalism as 'the establishment'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 09:11 PM
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Yes exactly, so you can definitely have Reds 'pretending' to be liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 09:08 PM
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Wow, so there are Redders who do not worship Ann Coulter's books and Trump! This... actually makes me happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 09:07 PM
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Do not think the two automatically go together. I once went on a date with a man who was purely liberal, so liberal he asked me to send him nude pics, like any Red Piller would. I dumped him, but that goes to show that Red Pillers, or those with some reddish attitudes, can hide among liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:59 PM
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But again you are confirming that your views do not align with a lot of the Reds on that site, and the bulk of them is who I am referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:57 PM
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They made a separate sub because the main one is about sexual strategy, not politics. They still trashed Macron on the main sub though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:54 PM
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Yes, the lines are definitely blurred. However, I have definitely noticed a political stream running through the Red Pill, which tends to align with nationalism. For instance, there was a recent post about what a cuck Emmanuel Macron is, with all the usual EU conspiracy theories. I do not remember where I saw it, but there was definitely a poll which showed the difference in values between Leavers and Remainers. Leavers seemed to have a very negative view of liberalism and women's rights. I do r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:53 PM
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Which is strange, seeing as the Red Pill keeps whining about 'divorce rapes'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:49 PM
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But your views are atypical for Red Pillers. Have a look at r/theredpillright for instance. Rampant nationalism, tribal 'us versus them' mentality, anti-contraceptives anti-globalisation anti-gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:47 PM
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But it is an urban working class reaction, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:45 PM
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I think it is fine to criticise if the man gets with a girl who has long blonde hair and then she one day comes home with short spiky blue hair. That is not the deal he originally signed up for. However, a man has no right to expect a woman to change her appearance after getting with her. If she only wears pastel colours, he has no right to tell her to wear black or red or another bold colour that goes completely against her personality. Why on earth did he get into a relationship with a woman w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:09 PM
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Yeah and there is a conspiracy theory and in truth they cheat on them all blah blah blah.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:01 PM
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Imagine wanting this sort of 'cosmic justice' for the children of a stranger on the internet. Imagine the unfathomable abyss of bitterness one has to be in to articulate that. World is full of weird people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:00 PM
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Judging by your previous comment, you have merely lived among a very shallow little group of white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:55 PM
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'Genuinely nice and non-manipulative' seems to me to be a sex robot who always says yes, according to a lot of posts I see around here in which some men think women are manipulative for, you know, trying to get something for themselves out of a relationship rather than just getting used for sex or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:55 PM
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Long hair is a sign of femininity. Which is why men who hate women (like those famous French soldiers) because women can use their looks and sexuality as a weapon shave women's head. Shaving a woman's head is one of the greatest signs of contempt for the power of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:52 PM
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Of course you being in the mind of us white women can tell exactly how we think.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:50 PM
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The point is, the men talking about 'Muslims molesting our women' are themselves misogynists. Our women. Objects. Possessions. That is why you have large swathes of women saying 'refugee welcome' and rejecting nationalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:47 PM
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That's what you need to tell yourself. I like my boyfriend very much, but more generally speaking women like their 'nice guys'. Keep in your fantasy about every marriage being hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:43 PM
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My story is: I read the Red Pill comment section.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:41 PM
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Why the hell should she be loyal to the country and not think of her own survival? Thank goodness for the European Union which removed this bullshit nationalism. Guess what, many women don't give a shit about these wars started by men and fought by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:40 PM
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Shaving a woman's head is disgusting because long hair is a sign of her fertility and her sexuality. Shaving her hair means being contemptuous of her sexuality and wanting to take away her looks to prevent her from having a relationship, having pride in her appearance etc., it is men being angry and bitter at women and shaming them for their sexuality. Fucking hell, the French lost. The Nazis came and took over. They had money and these women needed to survive, and now the fucking loser French m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:36 PM
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No, the point is the attitude with which the men and the woman approach it. The woman may come up with a fetish, have a fun time, and leave. The man, instead, thinks she is a 'dirty whore' and trash. There are men out there who think 'sluts out to be corrected because the bitches have to learn'. He demeans and shames the woman and is contemptuous of her and her sexuality. That makes all the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:30 PM
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That is wonderful. When a man does not care and dehumanises us, we should have him out of our lives and he should be arrested if he turns abusive. We have no time for your aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:28 PM
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Well, I have a lot of options. Women always have more options than men. So if he behaves in a way she does not like, she loses far less in leaving than she does. Have fun believing most women out there are desperate to get the commitment of a misogynist who treats them like 'children to be led' and whatever other red pill trash. The truth is, there are other guys in line who are perfectly nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:22 PM
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A man who thinks women are 'entitled cunts' already shows he has a misogynistic worldview. My goal is not to show him I am better and different from the 'slut cunts', my goal is to screen out misogynists like him as fast as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:19 PM
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No, women are 'more valuable' in the dating market because they have A. more options B. Are not as desperate for sex as men are. So as a matter of fact, a man who 'invests' in a relationship is a man who spends time with the woman and gets to know her personality. You know that dinner we mentioned? It involves talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:18 PM
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I do not recall criticising men for having casual sex. I criticise men for hateful and misogynistic attitudes towards the women they have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:16 PM
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It's totally fine for me if they become less interested in marriage. They are free spirits. But they have to let us women be free as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:08 PM
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It's totally fine for me if they become less interested in marriage. They are free spirits. But they have to let us women be free as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:28 PM
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Thank you for your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:23 PM
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Outside of the hook up culture, it is pretty standard to date for at least a month before becoming official and starting a relationship (which involves sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:22 PM
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I thought I had just explained that in my above comment, highlighting the big difference between dinner and aggressively using a human body of a human person in a contemptuous way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:21 PM
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Feminism is about equality within society. So for instance, women should be encouraged to have careers/ambition, valued for their brains rather than their vaginas etc. When it comes to personal interaction, I have yet to see a feminist encouraging women to inject themselves with testosterone so as to beat men in a punch fight. Equally, I have yet to see a feminist deny women are objectively more beautiful and in higher demand than men, and therefore negotiate from a position of superiority in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:16 PM
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The Gym Instructor part is such a huge conspiracy theory. But my belief is that any man who just stays slim and irons his shirts can be attractive enough, and his wife will love him if he is good. You have to be a total fat omega shit for your wife to be disgusted by you, and yet the Red Pill presents this as standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:08 PM
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I am justifying it because for some weird reason I am among people who apparently live in a world where boys investing in a relationship a lot more than the girl is not normal. In my galaxy it's pretty standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:02 PM
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Well, as I told you I live in another galaxy in which all my female friends find these behaviours disgusting! If my boyfriend did not text me, always take me seriously especially when I talk about misogyny, or made fun of me for my clothes I would dump him immediately! It seems to me like you live in a world where women do not really respect themselves and see themselves as worthy of a man who chases them and invests a lot in the relationship because they, the women, see themselves as the prize.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:59 PM
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Because there is a very big difference between sex and a dinner. I would say a girl who messages a guy she likes is not entitled to his commitment even if they go out together. He can see other girls, and does not have to call her back. She can give him her time, but is not entitled to anything. I think women who have sex immediately and do not want just a fuck because they are feeling like it are simply stupid. Everyone knows men have to be made to wait for it. But the reason why I feel sympath…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:54 PM
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This is a better classification of the Red Pill, but looks are important for everyone and yet do not define who you get with in the end. This is truer for women than for men. So long as the guy is slim and has his shit together in terms of job etc., usually his looks don't matter much because women are capable of seeing past them, far more than men. Sure, he will not make women salivate over him, but plain girls do not make men salivate either. Yet men still marry them so long as they are reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:46 PM
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Their 'money' back? They paid for dinner. They had the pleasure of my company. Any man who knows how selective women are knows that they have to put in more effort than the woman. Paying for dinner is just automatic. Lmao, does a boss give an employee the money of his commuting train tickets back after he/she fires him? Same thing. I thought the Red Pill was the first to acknowledge men have to work harder to get women. And there is a reason for it. Look at how men treat 'sluts' who 'give it awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:36 PM
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Live and let live, right? It ought to work well for both of us. But the Red Pill is far more abusive than anything I do (which is actually not abusive at all).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:33 PM
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Thank you for specifying their hatred if women is there, even if not obvious. I disagree with what you say, because the Red Pill is about changing men's behaviour towards women. So to make a few examples of how the men I consider to be Red Pill-ish act like: They are cocky when women try to talk about something serious and make fun if it. They are dismissive of female friends whenever they are not being fun and always say they are 'busy' and vanish. Their girlfriends report they very often do no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:31 PM
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Please learn the use of punctuation. You know nothing about being a woman. You know nothing about being young and hormonal and craving sex. You know nothing about not caring about your first boyfriend beyond his looks and not 'pair bonding' with him in any way whatever nonsense they tell you. You know nothing about how women actually do not slut shame and turn liberal once they realise slut-shaming is the game of men which favours men. You simply have zero understanding, zero empathy and zero kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:59 PM
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I have seen men in real life behave in a sort of disrespecting/macho way which Red Pillers would probably like, not listening to women and treating them condescendingly like you are doing right now with me. The women found it very distasteful and did not really care much about these men as a result. But these men brought it on themselves with their attitude. There is a subset of men who think acting in a purposefully grumpy way, for instance, and dismissing women when they talk etc. is 'masculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:56 PM
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Muh Conspiracy Theory. Muh Globalist Tyranny. Muh instability brought by the destruction of the nuclear family. I don't know where you live. But life is very comfortable for me here in the 21st century. We have never had so much prosperity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:30 PM
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I still struggle to understand this 'high value man' nonsense. If a woman values her career and has no intention of giving it up, how exactly is a man who wants to be controlling and make her do all the cooking prove himself of any value whatsoever to her? The so called 'nice betas' you guys shit on all the time are actually valuable. And you guys seem to live in a reality where there is an abusive 'alpha' and a deadbeat omega and nothing in between when you say women are 'disgusted by betas'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:28 PM
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That is because a lot of the men who post here are 'Red Pill' men who have nothing but hatred for women, judging by literally every single post in their sub. The point is, OP complains about women not feeling empathy for 'men' (huge sweeping statement of half the human population), but the reality is simply that women rarely feel empathy for Red Pill/macho/embittered men who think women should 'submit and know their place'. Those are sort of hard to like. But thankfully for all of humanity they …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:07 PM
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It's not a 'conscious' choice, it's more something that happens organically and just doesn't get mentioned much due to stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:54 PM
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I have seen quite a lot of what I am describing happening. Your grandmother was probably happier though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:41 PM
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Again proving my point. These rich women I listed have children and a choice. They chose to keep working.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 05:13 PM
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You did not disprove my point: if all women are feminists, it means most women would not just 'stay home' given the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:24 PM
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Even speaking of conservative women, I wonder why Ivanka Trump or Kellyanne Conway don't quit working to take care of the kids full time. I wonder why Thatcher did not do that either. I wonder why the worshipped Ayn Rand did not get the baby rabies and stayed childless to write books full time. and mind that these women do not have to work because they are 'forced to', as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:56 PM
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That's fine if you mean the women who want children will lock down a 'beta' and will want to work less etc., but you have to recognise you are not talking of absolutes. There are women who love their jobs. There are women who do not want kids, or have kids but still keep working full time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:25 PM
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Well, I have used pepper spray once on some drunkards at around 11 am as I was going home. Worked perfectly fine. I never understood why men complain that policemen ahem... do their job and stop abusive men. There are plenty of times scrawny and unfit men need the help of policemen with big guns too. In fact, the whole point of female empowerment is not being engaged in constant street fights with creeps, but rather to jolly well carry on with their jobs and lives. So I can only assume that the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:11 PM
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I 'wronged' men plenty of times. If they had gotten violent, I would have used pepper spray on them and then have them arrested for assault. Women are nowhere as pliant and pacifying as you make them up to be. They stand up for themselves and do not 'pretend to be nice' to men. Also, the bullshit of 'women can't get resources for themselves' is just hamstering. Women work nowadays. I never had a boyfriend pay my rent, or my bills, and never needed him. The reason why women do still go for men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:32 AM
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The context is very different. The guys you are describing want women to be 'trustworthy' in a way that is against feminism. They want a woman who is modest, who does not explore her sexuality, who does not follow her imperative and instead follows his. What exactly do feminists gain from giving this guy what he wants, seeing as they promote that no, men don't control women's sexuality, yes, women are going to sexually experiment and if you don't want them to they are not going to stop to please…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 01:14 PM
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Hypergamy does not contradict monogamy though. Hypergamy means saying no to Billy because he is an underachiever and yes to Paul because he has his shit together. But Hypergamy does not then mean she is not going to get serious with Paul and leave him for Brian on a whim. Unless we are talking about truly deprived, uneducated circles where reason and civilisation are secondary to instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:39 PM
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Similarly, why should a woman sacrifice herself for a man? Why should she be nice and 'submissive' and a stay at home mom? Why should she not divorce him if she is unhappy? Why should she date him if she has better options? You say 'men got destroyed by women'. I see 'women did not bend over backwards for men'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:33 PM
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Feminism has never convinced these people of anything. We still got all our rights. That's because these people you describe are rarer than you would think. Most people do not have extreme views like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:21 PM
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Here is the main reason why many Red Pillers doom themselves to misery: they see romantic relationships as beta. They do not negotiate on that point. They are convinced every guy they see out there who is married gets starfish sex, is abused by his wife etc. They would rather stay in a dark fantasy world in which every married man is a cuck who will get divorce raped soon enough. So they lock themselves out of meaningful relationships and then complain because we no longer live in the 50s and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:20 PM
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That's probably why these 'Chads' are obsessed with the myth of the immigrants who will come and 'take the welfare'. The welfare is, after all, their only livelihood.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:10 PM
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One thing about your last point: misogynist guys should not 'trust us more'. We don't care about that. What feminists want is something much simpler: for these men to realise that they don't own us. They have no say in how we live our lives and we don't live to please them. It really is that simple. Trying to socially control a woman's N count is a way of socially controlling the sexuality of women. This is why we oppose their slut-shaming and counter-balance it with heavy misogynist-shaming. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:07 PM
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First line of your post clearly shows you have never set eyes upon a Red Pill thread. I suggest you go do that, to discover the real meaning of the word 'anger'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 11:07 AM
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Isn't the Red Pill just general toxic traditional 'macho' behaviour, after all? Plenty of more cosmopolitan, liberal guys not attached to these masculinity issues do not act like that at all. I know. I have always dated those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:53 AM
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It's the same thing. Red Pill boosts their ego, 'the bitch' ignores him, and he gets angry because he does not meet her standards. It's all about feeling entitled to a woman's attention, which men are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:44 AM
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Never understood this 'pair bonding' thing. I cheated on my first bf. the fact that he was the first did not make me 'pair bond' with him in any special way. You 'pair bond' with a guy when you like him. No matter whether he is the 1st or the 10th. And you do not pair bond with him no matter which number he is if things are not working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:29 AM
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There are countless examples. This one I remember particularly well: https://www.np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5yah8b/black_knighted_these_white_women_for_being_racist/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=05c1e3dd
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:25 AM
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You get yours from that highly reliable and intellectual source that is the Daily Mail, right? Or Breitbart?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:15 AM
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Don't recall ever doing that, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:14 AM
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I think that hashtag, created and perpetuated by alt right males using fake accounts, shows how these men are so convinced they are the centre of the world they are obsessed by this male martyrdom complex centred on the fear of feminists who will 'divorce rape' or 'kill' them boohooo!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:14 AM
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That's great advice, actually. Only when the guy gets rejected by more than 95% of women, he either gets angry at them in the streets, goes home to rant about how women are all sluts on the internet, or becomes Elliot Rodger.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:11 AM
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Your post is contradictory. You say men get ghosted and ignored a lot more, and yet they should start doing the same to women. As if they were in women's same position in the sexual marketplace. What you have failed to acknowledge is that men and women are not in the same dating spot. A man can ghost a woman, sure, but the woman gets another 50 messages on match that same day, the man does not. So the woman does not lose any sleep over missing one guy, but has the guy got that many options after…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:09 AM
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They get angry because even after applying the Red Pill, it might still not work. So they get angry because they think they have been sold a 'miracle cure'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:03 AM
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This would be absolutely marvellous, especially for the women who want these guys to go away swiftly and be invisible to her. The whole point is that most of them have limited options and no abundance mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:01 AM
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I am fine with them existing so long as they go away silently when rejected. Had you read the post, or anything on the Red Pill, you would know that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:00 AM
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Ask them. They have gone out with me. I'd hazard a hypothesis and say it has to do with thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:58 AM
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It would be fantastic if he moved sideways a little bit and stopped getting kicked in the balls. Problems arise when he fails to get the woman to suck the balls instead, and he gets angry because the Red Pill promised him that's what he would get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:58 AM
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Who says they are angry... let's see... I would say just every highly-intellectual post on the Red Pill about how the 'bitches' are entitled due to social media, feminism, how they reject men and it's hard to take because in truth they are all sluts who fuck Chad for free behind the backs of the men they reject. In short, the anger and bitterness is in every civic, joyous Red Pill post out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:56 AM
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Perhaps if you had read my post attentively you would understand what's written. To help your comprehension with an example: I and many others are fine with Christians existing. We however do not like them when they get out if their crazy cult groups and assault women or scream at them outside of abortion clinics, because they interfere with the lives of people who want nothing to do with them. Same with Red Pillers. They can exist so long as they take rejections without turning angry and aggres…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:53 AM
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It's fine for him to improve himself. What happens if he still gets rejected afterwards, though? Even after he has 'swallowed' the Pill? Whose fault is that? Still women's? That's the key question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:48 AM
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There is quite a difference between not minding people of a different 'creed' to exist and not wanting them to interfere with the lives of those who don't get involved with their creed. It's the difference between being fine with Christianutters existing and wanting to chuck them in when they assault women outside abortion clinics. There is a clear correlation between the far right and the Red Pill. It is indeed political in its outlook. See r/theredpillright for details. I am sure all the Briti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:46 AM
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Your entire post seems to imply that you have never read any Red Pill posts, or otherwise you would be familiar with their bitterness and anger. The whole sub-reddit, if you take a look at it, is mainly about dealing with 'problematic' modern women who are 'entitled' due to feminism, social media etc. As for your first point, I find it very funny that you think all the power being given to a handful of Tory Conservatives who seek to destroy the workers' rights ensured by the EU as a 'smaller gov…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:38 AM
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If you mastered some basic reading comprehension skills, perhaps you'd understand what I wrote in my OP. But then again, that would mean wanting to debate rather than to rant about whatever..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:22 AM
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Goodness, she wore a miniskirt and not a burka and walked alone down a street. Lock her up!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:20 AM
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Remember the bitterness I was talking about? Thanks for giving us a practical example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:20 AM
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Do you get blamed when you get robbed? No. But women get blamed when they get raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:04 AM
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I am not unhappy about these men. As I explained, I did not go on a second date with them and ghosted them. The problem is that they were sold the fairy tale that every woman would say yes to them if they applied 'game' and got angry when that did not work. Their anger is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:00 AM
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That is actually exactly what I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:58 PM
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Because instead the mean Red Pillers get sooooo much respect from us reddit liberals, right. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:52 PM
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I am talking about personal experience. I have been on a first (and last) date with these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:45 PM
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Rape still happens in countless of situations. Just like getting robbed happens even if you lock the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:44 PM
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Sure. Here we are debating whether their speech is pure bullshit. Since you have failed to defend it, it looks like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:43 PM
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Ahhh the usual 'it's a woman's fault if she is raped.' I live my life to the fullest, I won't spend it indoors because some thirsty shits who have been rejected by all women on earth can't keep it in their pants. Let them fear the brutal law punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:27 PM
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Ditto as above.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:18 PM
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Ah, so the source is your own bitter whining. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:18 PM
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The problem is that the Red Pill game does not work on many women. And these men get angry at the women when the tactics do not work on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:16 PM
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Certainly not the same as if I was raped or had some loser creep stalk me 24/7 and not let me live my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:14 PM
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Have you got any sources to back up these ridiculous claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:09 PM
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You have decided to answer with whatever babble you felt like writing instead of answering the question in any way or showing signs of having read the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:07 PM
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You've clearly never been on the Red Pill at all. And how could I project, if we women can have 'sex on demand' after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:04 PM
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How does this entitle a man to then spew hatred towards all women and get angry at them if they reject them now he is a reformed playboy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:04 PM
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And let's not forget the constant bullshit about immigrants 'cucking their countries' by 'fucking their women', as though these men had any authority whatsoever over the women in their country.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:02 PM
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The 'divorce rape' is nothing compared to rape and serial stalking women get from men. Should they want all men to die, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 10:57 PM
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I think the Red Pill makes men angrier at women, because men think they are entitled to her saying 'yes' when they put in the effort. Then that does not happen, and he blames her for having high standards, being an entitled slut, and the rest of the charming things the Red Neanderthals are known to say in polite company.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 10:56 PM
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A lot of these Red Pill men are quite young and have not been through all that. Even those who have, they are still angry at all women and do not have an 'abundance mentality' if they try to reshape their lives, 'game' women and get rejected. They just grow more embittered.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 10:43 PM
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Getting ignored would be fine. Except women are not getting ignored by these men. These men obsess about them on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 10:35 PM
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I know there is little proof. In fact I am assuming most of them are not getting laid at all, which is why they are angry. As for them being embittered about women being picky and rejecting them... have you ever been on the Red Pill at all? Picked literally any thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 10:34 PM
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Getting laid with the woman they are 'gaming'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 10:20 PM
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It's valid advice, I think, when articulated better than she did. The 'sleeping around' phase happens when you are really young (might even start at 16 with teenagers sneaking off to have sex). It does not teach you life lessons, but hormones are a thing after all. I think it could still teach you something once you are a little older (20 or so) because it basically teaches you to differentiate pure physical lust from valuing a person. You might for example sleep with a Victoria Secret model who…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 09:10 PM
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I think there is a particular phase of life in which boys and girls might want to 'sleep around' for hormonal reasons, but it tends to be earlier than 25. I'd say it's 18 to perhaps 22. After university, I think most people do want to settle down, and you have to allow wiggle room for mistakes (the first 'serious' girlfriend/boyfriend you get at 23 might not be an ideal partner and you might ditch him/her one year later). At around 25/26, you should be looking for your life partner. I think she …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 08:07 PM
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The world does not pay him a premium, only with liberty if it pays the world with taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 08:16 PM
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The 'old pot' has no value in the eyes of a young girl, only his money and gifts do. Hence the pot 'hits the wall'. Hate to break it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 08:13 PM
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Yeah, and they are both with 'post-wall' women, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 03:34 PM
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That also means excluding a lot of women from your dating pool. That's ok, but there is a trade off involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 03:27 PM
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The Red Pill says a man over 40 who accumulates resources is an 'alpha in his prime', except that he has to use his resources to compete in the dating market, which makes him... a beta Bux. That is what I am arguing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 03:26 PM
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Of course he cannot handle her, she knows how to play her cards well. You seem to highly underestimate how cunning gold-diggers are. Remember how many millions Trump lost to his first wife in that divorce setting. These women treat all interaction with these men as pure business.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 03:25 PM
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But the girl might refuse to have sex if he does not give her very expensive gifts, plus she might bring a lot of trouble if she is the manipulative kind (ruin his reputation etc.), and switching to another one (who might be even worse) is all a lot of work. The beta Bux probably wants a certain degree of stability, and he gets that. Besides, literally only 1% of men can be a sugar daddy. Most don't have enough resources to pull that off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 02:41 PM
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Then these men are 'beta buxes'. The Red Pill says 'do not be a Beta Bux'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 02:24 PM
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Well, an older woman does not care about the 'love' of a man half her age, unless she is an idiot. But I do not see how this arrangement is different from that of a married 'beta Bux'. Beta probably just wants some sex and some companionship and children. He gets that, and the sex is not as terrible as people sometimes claim it must be. Of course he has to do as the wife says etc., but the older man with the young girl also has to do as she says and give her gifts and money etc. So after a certa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 02:21 PM
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But the Red Pill says men do not 'hit a wall' and are super attractive in their 40s. Only their wallets are attractive at that age (in the eyes of a young girl).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 02:14 PM
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How can it be on his terms if the girl will ditch him the moment he does not give her money/gifts anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 02:13 PM
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Woman hits a wall = she 'loses value' and has to lower her standards and cannot be appreciated for who she is without putting in a lot of effort (staying in shape etc.). How is it different for an older man? He also has no value on his own and must be rich to get some action, and will then be used just for his money, but not wanted or desired. Isn't that what the wall is after all? Not being desired anymore? An older man will never, ever be as desired as a young hot athlete. That's a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 02:12 PM
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It isn't cynical at all. As a matter of fact, I think cynics are nothing but dark romantics, really. When you genuinely do not believe the whole world is out there cheering for you and hoping you will succeed, you appreciate the occasional uncomplicated human kindness a lot more. Because you realise that kindness is not a cheap commodity and is not overly abundant either. I think people who instead expect the world to be fair and nice cannot really appreciate kindness or empathy because they tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:52 PM
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So if desire is absent, it means the man has hit a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:45 PM
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This type of mindset greatly benefits young women because they are seen as 'innocent' when in truth they are not. They mature faster, remember. And if they wanted 'love' they'd get it from a handsome guy their same age from college. Why from an unattractive, wrinkly older man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:32 PM
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But he has hit 'a wall'. An older woman can fuck all the chads she wants without their love, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:26 PM
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But what I don't get is why this is not seen as a 'wall' for men. An older woman can have sex with young hot men, she just can't get their love. An older man can sleep with a young woman, but can't get her love. She wants his money. They have both hit 'the wall'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:26 PM
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How exactly is the woman 'not choosing' if she is extracting his resources whilst fucking another, younger, hotter man on the side and has illimitable options? The man can choose to dump her, and chase another hot girl, who likewise has a lot of options. What exactly is 'alpha' or 'dominant' about this? He is not in charge of the transaction. The only way he could be in charge would be if the girl was fully committed to him alone, but... I think most men are not naive enough to think a girl who …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:12 PM
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But for instance, the Red Pill condemns this sort of arrangement, claiming men are used as 'ATM machines' and 'beta buxes'. I sort of agree that if it a consenting transaction everyone is getting what they want, but a core belief of the Red Pill is that men 'should not be used' for money and should instead 'work on themselves' to be genuinely wanted. The idea that a man past his prime can have the same kind of dating advantage as a young hot frat boy without getting used for his money is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:02 PM
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How exactly is she reigning in her hypergamy if she is waiting just to see if you are worthy enough or one of the other guys she's dating is better?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 12:34 PM
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Congratulations for writing two paragraphs without saying jack shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 04:11 PM
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The Red Pill is made up of mediocre men. They are the men who are natural losers who have seen 'Chad' succeed in their place and are trying to hack the system to get that success. Conservative men, who seek to limit women's rights and influence to return to the old days of the sexual welfare in which a mediocre man could have sex with a young virgin by providing for her and marrying her (and denying her the chance to divorce without social stigma) are mediocre in the same way, because they canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 03:58 PM
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Your gay husband are them. And your mom helped because she's given up on ever seeing the tip of her shoes beneath the lard ever again anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 03:42 PM
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But since delivery costs money to the state and poor children do so too, if you wanted to save money you'd force the father to pay for the abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 03:40 PM
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How is this not relevant if we talk about how men should/should not be made to pay for child support all the time? How is it not relevant if it is specifically an American issue and it has repeatedly been established that the Red Pill etc. refers mostly to American society? I can change the tag, but the question itself is legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 03:38 PM
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Chelsea's problem is her overbite. She has a bad case of vertical jaw growth and that is what causes her features to distort weirdly in some pictures. That's genetics, unfortunately. She looks decent when she does not move her face around too much and so makes her lower third less noticeable. I agree that Ivanka married Jared for his status and money, but unfortunately I have come to believe that when a man (it can happen to a woman too, but with lesser frequency) reaches a certain degree of wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 05:49 PM
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Because as I said, it works on the emotionally damaged. And it damaged them even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 05:07 PM
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Regarding my specific example, since there has been quite a bit of controversy in the comments about this: according to your standards, are my two examples (Ivanka and Chelsea) representative if a 6 and a 9? Many say Chelsea is actually below a 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 05:06 PM
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You see her as above or below a 6?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 03:03 PM
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For your own safety, you don't want society to go there, because then we'd have to talk about the quality of sperm, and if we started to think of the value of men in those terms you and most of the Manosphere would get shot on the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 02:58 PM
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My dear, I know you would like to have a woman's sexual marketplace privilege, but it does not work like that. She, even a 6, has a thousand other man ready on match.com, you are nothing special. You can only be special in the eyes of a damaged woman who does not see herself as the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 02:55 PM
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What a pity those five years were not spent doing a grammar course. It would have allowed you at least to pass for a full functioning human.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 02:53 PM
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'Reason of the existence of the female sex is to have children.' Stopped reading there. Enjoy writing the rest of your embittered paragraphs whilst we women have sex, get married, divorce, do what we want and don't give a shit about the opinion of low-values like you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 02:51 PM
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Replace 'have you' with 'have I' and you have the current picture of your own pathetic situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 02:36 PM
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And then you have lots of little kids from teenage mums running around, and parts of the country turns into slums on welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 02:00 PM
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The Daily Mail is run and read by sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:58 PM
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In a world in which they were the only two options you'd rather stay an incel for life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:53 PM
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Three long paragraphs of male bitterness calling feminists bitter. Cough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:52 PM
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You are a slut according to some men who don't matter because you have your pick of a million others. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:50 PM
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You wrote a long pile of bullshit, but I just want to answer to one thing: we don't care about our 'sexual responsibility' to influence the world. That is why we got abortion rights, gender quotas, the right to stay childless, paid maternity leave, birth control so we can sleep around etc. We live our lives as people, and we do not stand by the 'retain your sexual influence' bullcrap. In a world in which women were valued only for their looks and fertility, of course we were victims because we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:49 PM
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Yes, and what I am saying is that a self-respecting 6 who senses you will dump her when things go wrong because you do not value her and you are trying to make her feel inferior will dump your ass on the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:42 PM
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I don't recall. Because if he did he would not have made it past my first coffee date. My vetting process is tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 01:15 PM
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Blah blah blah so let's just accept abortion bans and let's allow men to call us sluts if we sleep with whoever we want because otherwise we do not 'respect ourselves'. Oh and let's blame a woman if she gets raped whilst wearing a miniskirt because if we dress as we want we don't respect ourselves. The truth is, dear, no woman who is not a feminist and instead promotes the male Madonna/Slut sexual imperative in society truly respects herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 12:32 PM
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Have you actually never met a self-respecting woman in your everyday life, or did she just not give you much of her time?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 12:21 PM
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You are failing to comprehend what 'respecting oneself' means. Even if she knows a man is the top she can get, she will not act submissive to him out of passive self-inflicted dread of him leaving because she likes herself too much to subjugate herself to him. Her train of thought is that if he leaves as a consequence, it was worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 12:02 PM
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Most men actually say the body weighs in more on a woman's rating than her face.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 11:10 AM
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How would you rate Chelsea Clinton?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 11:00 AM
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Even if she is a 6 who respects herself and won't be around if you start with emotionally abusive 'dread games' etc. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 10:45 AM
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'A high score (Masculine) on this dimension indicates that the society will be driven by competition, achievement and success, with success being defined by the winner / best in field – a value system that starts in school and continues throughout organisational behaviour.' What you do not get is that this mentality is taught to the women as well. In fact, as noted it is a country which scores high on individualism, which is correlated with liberalism (putting your goals before starting a family…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 09:34 AM
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But from what I read, politicians in his state voted unanimously afterwards to set a minimum sentence for such crimes, so that if found guilty of them one would have to serve X number of years. I have no doubt it could be that the law system is messed up, but I do not believe, following the backlash against the judge and the politicians' vote, that it would have been difficult to give out a harsher sentence or that many consider what he got in any way fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 11:18 PM
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He should have served the full six years sentence, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 10:58 PM
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How about we do not let murderers out of jail? A plan to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 10:04 PM
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You should get out of jail easily after dismembering a woman and feeding her to the dogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 09:55 PM
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That's great to hear. Good luck with everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 09:02 PM
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Why would they choose to be trapped into these submissive roles when they could go be athletes and win medals, have career, travel the world, do what they want? It's fine if some women choose to do those things, but we feminists created a world in which women are not expected to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:45 PM
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Uhmmm Brock Turner was white.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:44 PM
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Been to Italy, have Italian friends. Lovely place, gender quotas left and right, abortion is legal. None of this mythological machismo people speak of. Had a great time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:36 PM
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It is the legal system plus the lionisation of strong/capable men which allows for a murderer to play in front of thousands of people. Even if there was a backlash, he was still hired.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:27 PM
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I wonder what you would consider a Western country. Line seems blurred among racists. Is Italy a Western country? Portugal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:26 PM
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Okay, 'shithole-istan' cracked me up. That's a win. But even for Brazil this is an anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:24 PM
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He served less than a third of his sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:23 PM
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Wouldn't it be appropriate to put him on house arrest though? Because he can be classified as a danger to the public.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 08:20 PM
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But he was hired by a football team! That's the point!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 07:49 PM
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The point is you have to look at how harsh the sentences were for crimes against women and whether they were served and what kind of income/lawyer the guy had. The higher profile he is, the more he can do just about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 07:44 PM
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Gotta admit that feeding a woman to the dogs beats them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 07:42 PM
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What a fucked up place. I hope you ran away fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 07:16 PM
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Uhm... so we women should just tolerate creeps who stare at us and follow us home and catcall us? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 05:04 PM
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It could never happen because you'd have to change the whole setup of the female gender to make it happen. You'd have to make them join violent drug cartels and gangs and get into revenge fights between tribes. That's where men get killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/17 12:19 AM
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Today a policeman was killed here in Britain, fighting against a terrorist. I doubt he, his colleagues, his wife and his children 'enjoyed' that..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 11:40 PM
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Uhm, I doubt policemen see the hunting down and shooting of criminals as a game. Some of the policemen themselves die too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 11:29 PM
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She may be hot, but not a 9 because she is 'post-wall' and past her fertile peak. So she is a potential 9 perhaps compared to other women her age, but a 7 compared to a woman just as beautiful who is 25. At least that's what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 11:28 PM
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How much money would you want to kill my potential rapist? Name the average tariff. I doubt it'd be out of kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 11:03 PM
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It is probably because you do not apply enough 'dread game' and do not treat women like children whilst keeping 'frame'. See the sidebar for more details on how to get a harem. You are right, by the way. I'm 24 and I was picturing a millennial man in my head as I read the post. I understand why he would not want to date a woman with children. Most older men have to date women with children because there simply aren't enough older women who don't have them! Still though, many men would not consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 11:02 PM
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What leaked is that he did indeed commit a sexual crime. No sexual assault deserves a sentence that light.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:42 PM
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A question though: how many kids? And does she want more? Because if a man wants to become a father one day, he should factor that in as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:38 PM
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You are talking nonsense. Approaching a woman is not sexual assault. Not backing down when she says she is not interested is. And for your information, my mother was the one who approached my dad when they met. Told the story a million times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:36 PM
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I have to be honest, I do not have a problem with men not wanting to get into a LTR with a single mother, because I understand how many responsibilities come with having to take care of kids. Some men do not want to eventually marry a woman who has children and raise those children as their own. Maybe they would like the experience to have a child to be novel to both themselves and their partner. Maybe they want to google how to properly cool down a baby bottle together for the first time and al…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:33 PM
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Ohh these poor wee men can't help themselves but assault women and be aggressive when women say no? Poor darlings.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:09 PM
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These are the statistics on domestic violence against women in the UK: http://www.refuge.org.uk/get-help-now/what-is-domestic-violence/domestic-violence-the-facts/ Again, people do not want men to be killed either, but since women are more targeted due to sexual violence and their physical vulnerability male homicides and female homicides are different and treated differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:48 PM
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It cannot be that much of a problem since women are raped and killed all the time. You will find that men are far less sympathetic once a woman rejects his advances.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:43 PM
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Men are physically stronger and more violent, that is why they are suspected of committing acts of violence more. A woman who tells you she likes your biceps is not the same as a aggressive man who tells at you to show your tits. A woman accused of a crime and found guilty should be punished for that crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:26 PM
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What exactly does that article prove, since in reality women get raped and assaulted constantly and killed by their spouses?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:24 PM
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You have not listed anything even remotely unreasonable. Men should not have control over women's sexuality and because they are more aggressive in their approach, they are the ones who get targeted when it comes to 'not making women feel threatened'. Child support is also totally right because the man is the father of the children. Women being forced to be chaste/thin and them being subjected to sexual harassment means men treating them like inferior objects used and valued for sexual pleasure …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:21 PM
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So you just said women are mentally inferior and... you try to deny there is a bias against women in negotiation? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:18 PM
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It is not victim blaming, because those men obviously did not deserve to be killed. It is showing the difference in context and the reason why women are more looked after as a targeted group of male violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:17 PM
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How many of those men were themselves involved in crime/smuggling/members of a gang? A lot, I'd wager. The women? They were going home from work or a night out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:14 PM
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I have no idea in what world you live and where you have ever heard of a man sexually assaulting a woman being actually successful in making her attracted to him. As for women's experience and competency, they are on par with those of a man. Still, they are mistreated when they ask for raises: http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/lean-out-the-dangers-for-women-who-negotiate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:11 PM
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Because women are more vulnerable to male violence than other men for a number of reasons: They get attacked because men are sexually attracted to them. They are less physically strong and so are more vulnerable in physical confrontations and in domestic settings. They commit less crimes. So most of the men who get killed are those who actually enter criminal environments and commit crimes themselves (think gang killings). So these are law-abiding citizens being targeted far more often than thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:09 PM
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Women are far more vulnerable to male violence, less strong and capable to match the assaulter in a fight, and much more targeted due to sexual attraction. Of course the law should cater more to their protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:02 PM
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Brock Turner is a rapist. He should have gotten a good ten years of jail. He got a few months and the press was sympathetic about the death of his career as a swimmer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 09:01 PM
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It is about taking women's words seriously when they denounce a stalker or a spouse, so that those men get arrested swiftly before they can harm them. It is about giving public money to women's shelters to take them away from abusive houses. It is about enforcing stricter laws to make even the light forms of sexual harassment (like catcalling) a crime (this has been done in some parts of Britain).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:59 PM
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The fact that most men are straight and they attack women because they are attracted to them is a huge problem which must be dealt with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:52 PM
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There is no such think as equality if men are so prejudiced against women. That is why we have gender quotas etc. Also, the old stereotypes about women being insane/emotional/on their period are alive and well and cause discrimination. Sexual harassment in the workplace still exists, so there must be laws against that. Brock Turner walks free, which means women who get raped are still not taken seriously. All in all, there is a reason for everything feminists ask for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:49 PM
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You are making a lot of absurd claims. First of all, 'male aggression' relates mostly to men who cannot take no for an answer. Secondly, all you have said about women being envious of men who negotiate a better salary is nonsense. This study shows that women who do try to negotiate get treated very badly, because employers want them to shut up and be pleasant and take less money: http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/lean-out-the-dangers-for-women-who-negotiate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:45 PM
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Depends on one's definition of masculinity. Some think 'masculinity' means grabbing women by the pussy, blaming them if they get raped, preferring to hire men over them and reacting badly if they ask for a raise and don't act all nice and helpful and caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:41 PM
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Because men prefer to hire other men instead of women. Quotas etc. are there to fight their prejudices.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:34 PM
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Because they are mostly killed by their partners or men who sexually assault them specifically because they are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:31 PM
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I have no idea what on earth you are talking about. You seem to define 'natural masculinity' as naturally abusive towards women. Of course feminists will fight against a man who offers less money to his female employees and treats them badly when they ask for a raise whilst respect their male colleague who does the same. Of course they will despise a man who is sexually aggressive towards women. If you think that behaviour is 'natural masculinity', you are a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:16 PM
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Judging by the amount of women who are killed every year in Western countries, those laws are clearly not working. Add to that the still very gendered prejudices against women in the workplace and the still unbelievably ongoing battle over their abortion rights, and you have the feminist movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:12 PM
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You said both genders do this. I agree women might also do this within relationship, but I think you might be parroting the old belief that feminists 'just want attention from hot men'. Feminists actually fight against unsolicited male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:10 PM
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Well no, feminists actually fight because men do give women attention. They fight because many men feel entitled to female attention and some react violently when they don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:04 PM
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The people who blame rape victims because they were drunk do not stand up against gender-based violence. Nor do those who feel sympathy for Brock Turner. Nor do those who say women lie about getting assaulted. Nor do all the men who commit domestic violence. Nor does the American government when it takes away the funds needed to grant vulnerable women abortion, knowing full well they are at risk of dying of childbirth through lack of healthcare or as a result of a dangerous self-induced abortion…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:03 PM
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Women would never do this because despite the nonsense the Red Pill spouts, they have, on average, more empathy than men. They would never look into their loved first husband's eyes and present him the second one. This is something the patriarchs in some Muslim countries, who do not give a shit about their wives, do. Besides, if such a system was set up the husbands would start killing or at the very least beating up each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 07:59 PM
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You are straw manning left right and centre. Deep down you know the 'feminists blame all white man' straw is bullshit, but you parrot it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 12:10 AM
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Exactly. OP and other hopeless misogynists are not our target audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:32 PM
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I think Linda Sarsour is a disgrace.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 08:17 PM
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That is an absolute disgrace to this political movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 08:16 PM
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It is very ethical for exactly the reasons you have stated: the organism is deriving resources from another organism. It is, by definition, a parasite. So long as the resources of the bigger organism are used (at the bigger organism's expense), it is ethical to abort the leeching smaller organism. You can have a different opinion, but you cannot keep rejecting mine by going around in circles on the same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 01:15 PM
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It is still a parasite surviving through the bodily resources of the mother, so I definitely do not consider it a human being, no. A more developed clump of cells, I would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 11:51 AM
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The health of the mother is actually everything. It's like saying: do you think it is ethical to kill this tumour if we disregarded the health of the person carrying it in their body? What is ethical about killing this parasite? Same thing with a foetus of any number of months. There is nothing unethical in aborting it at any stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:45 AM
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I am a feminist. We care about other women, you know. Unlike you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 03:07 AM
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Yeah sure. It is in the body of the mother and her well-being comes first.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 03:06 AM
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I have always said this. But my feminist sisters don't listen. Also, most of the refugees are men. The women got stuck in backwards shitholes like Lybia.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 01:40 AM
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Uhm no, I support late term abortion. Clinton was going to implement it over there in America. I think the line should be drawn to the point in which it would be more dangerous for the mother to abort than to give birth. Late term abortion is very invasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 01:39 AM
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You see abortion as killing a baby. I see it as killing a meaningless foetus which is little more than a clump of cells.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 01:10 AM
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No, eating meat is unethical because the amount of pollution generated by producing it is insane. It is not the abortion that is unethical. It is the misogynistic belief that a daughter will be less capable and less good than a son. There is a very distinctive difference between a prejudice rooted in gender and the act of abortion itself. In fact, I would challenge the prejudice (as happened in China when daughters became emancipated) but not take away the right to abort on those grounds. Aborti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 12:08 AM
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What a load of nonsense, as if I was ever in denial about this. I'll tell you what else is unethical: eating meat. I eat it constantly. I support the slaughtering of lambs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 11:53 PM
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The solution is to fucking ban the bloody sharia courts. And many Muslims do not even register their marriage the 'normal' way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:59 PM
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That is because men are already paid more than women in other careers. And literally 99% of the careers society wants to push women into pay less. That's the intended structure of the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:58 PM
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I wonder why you only mention the male alpha/beta dichotomy and not confident women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:45 PM
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I don't know about America, here in the UK I remember there was a story of a policeman who groped a woman and he was fired immediately. No idea why you think they are untouchable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:41 PM
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What I argue is that we have created a society in the West where there are two set of laws for Western women and Muslim women: one gets her free divorce, the other one gets sent to a sharia court. That's okay apparently because the poor we oppressed Muslim men must be protected first. Also, we have one disgraceful MP called Jess Philips who said a Saturday night out in Birmingham is the same as what happened in Cologne. That woman is a disgrace to our movement and this coddling of Muslim misogyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:40 PM
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Those are jobs everyone wants to get out of There are its female equivalents. Like cleaning the toilet and wiping baby shit from baby bottoms in childcare nurseries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:24 PM
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I think you are very shortsighted yourself if you think policemen are all misogynists. Those are our adversaries. But keep telling yourself we oppose 'white men in general'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:19 PM
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Some would claim aborting a kid who has Down syndrome is unethical. I support that too. You just don't want women to have sex and abort, you don't give a shit about the baby girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:46 PM
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I do not think it is, but there is nothing which can be done to prevent that trend because, as I said, those initial blood tests which reveal the gender must be carried out to reveal things like potential Down syndrome. So you are really arguing about something which has no solution, whilst not calling out ethnic minority sexists does have a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:36 PM
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Men arrest because they get paid to do it. Since men are not really loyal to other men and like to get paid, I frankly doubt there's going to be a policeman revolt anytime soon, because even if there is one, there are a thousand other men in line ready to do the job and get paid. And they don't give a shit about sticking it to other men in favour of women. This is way men's rights activism is such a fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:32 PM
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Well, I as a feminist think the 'white male' thing is bullshit because here in the UK Muslim women are forced to go to a fucking SHARIA COURT made of men to get a divorce. Our enemies ought to be all misogynists, not just the rich Western ones. That being said, we frankly don't give a shit about your respect. We just want you arrested if you harass a woman and we have put gender quotas in place to deal with your disrespect in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 08:59 PM
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Exactly, and punjabi men trying to stop their women marrying outside their race get ignored/are given a pass as well. I think a woman ought to have the right to abort for literally any reason, including 'it stands in the way of my career' or 'it would deform my body to give birth'. We feminists think women are infinitely more valuable than any foetus.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 08:48 PM
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One question: aren't Indians also very sexist? And aren't they also given a pass? By the way, I support abortion for any reason always. Those initial gender-revealing blood tests are also important to see if the baby is affected by genetic illnesses etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 08:30 PM
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This is not true of the Asian community because when exactly do you hear in the news of a group of violent Chinese men raping their Chinese girlfriends? But if the Asians became a particularly bedraggled minority and the far right turned against them full-force, Asian men would enjoy the same kind of feminist protection. Currently Muslim men are the most coddled but it is wrong to say they are the only protected group. Somali families who practice FGM on their kids are often excused as well desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 08:06 PM
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A quick tip from a female perspective: nothing reeks of desperation and aggressive suppressed anger as much as writing all these paragraphs in an attempt to fool someone into believing most men out there would not do just about anything and accept all conditions for pussy (peppered with some asides trying to convince me you are a top 1% guy). You and I have both been outside. You are on the Red Pill because you struggle. You and I both know I am right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:01 PM
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That, the walking side by side at least, is called basic human respect and should always be expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 02:45 PM
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I am sure you are really nice and all, but I think the men I go after are fundamentally different. So this problem does not arise. I have never gone on twitter. I go on paid dating websites and before meeting up with someone there is already a huge screening process: it depends on the grammar on his profile (you can tell a lot about a man's attention span and level of education if he just writes 'hey new at this things I'm a layabout guy looking for a nice girl'), he must send me long messages w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 01:56 PM
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Someone sounds embittered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 11:14 AM
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I am a very plain-but-slim 24 years old woman and I am not at all insecure as a result of looking so much around the Manosphere and understanding the psychology of men. Understanding the limited options most of them have and the negotiating advantage I have in relationships so long as I stay aware of cues is a huge boost. Internet dating also makes things easier because although I don't do Tinder, it is impossible to be single when you are a woman with match at your disposal. In general if you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:36 AM
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Anxiety and depression? Never suffered from either, never known a woman who did. Do not doubt there are some who do, but last time I checked those who are committing suicide in drones are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 01:27 PM
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I will say one thing as a feminist: the way my movement gives passes to sexist men so long as they are not white is disgusting. The cultural relativism and the way they think all refugee men are cute teddy bears whilst Western men rape in campuses is so racist. They treat minority men as if they were children to cuddle to make them feel fuzzy inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 12:23 AM
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All the environmental scientists I have known (one of my ex housemates was one) are depressing to be around because they always bring bad news lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 12:09 AM
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Looking at the post-Brexit vote statistics on how many sexy European nurses are leaving the country in drones, my suggestion would be to lock one down as quickly as possible :(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 12:06 AM
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The bullshit she says about all immigrants being bad and Democrats inviting them in so they can vote for them (without citizenship, apparently) and about 'miserable godless' Europeans plotting to destroy America is such a pile of crap. She is like a living incarnation of a troll twitter egg account.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 11:25 PM
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No, men think it is wrong because they have paternity fraud fears. I do not think it is wrong because my genes get carried on anyway. So you just tell them whatever they want to hear and get what benefits you as a woman. Why would I weaken my negotiating hand? I know all the advantages I have in the dating market as a woman, and I am going to use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 11:19 PM
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And you base this on what evidence? The way a couple of bar skanks looked?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 10:39 PM
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That is a false equation. A good equation would be 'would I date a guy who has also had a sex life before he met me', to which I would say yes. Because what you do not understand is that when you have had relationships in the past, you are also more mature and know what you like/do not like. That being said, if a guy visited a few prostitutes back when he was really young, like 19, because he was desperate, that is totally fine with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 10:19 PM
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You are not a better person, of course. Only when you are a star, SOME women, they let you do it. You can grab them by the pussy, they will let you do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 10:05 PM
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'Serial monogamists' who have had stable boyfriends are not very likely to have Hepathitis. It all goes back to the fear of paternity fraud. A male preoccupation. Not a female one. Hence why women have no bloody idea what you mean when you say they should be 'held accountable' for their past, and why many of them just lie to tell the guy whatever he wants to hear, get the ring, and job done.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 09:40 PM
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A false equation. A guy who earns well is the equivalent of a girl who has a nice body, not of one who sleeps around a lot. The equivalent for a girl would be to work on her looks to be found more attractive by men. By 'flipping it around' you could argue this is a sure way of attracting lots of players too, but she needs to have the wisdom to filter out the trash. Your RMV goes up if you are a guy and earn well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 09:37 PM
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The thing is, most of us women do not think we did something wrong if we sleep around. Some of us hide it as a wise negotiation tactic because some men do not like it, but even those women think the problem is mainly with the men who seek to restrict their sexuality. So women are not really 'rationalising' anything when they do that. It's just a facade they put up because of a male prejudice. Most of them would do it all over again if they went back in time. 'Held accountable' means they have do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 09:22 PM
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It seems to me that the hamster is just a cute metaphor for the old sexist prejudice against women: they are insane, they are on their period, they are hormonal, they are emotional. The other day there was some controversy because our Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was called 'unstable' by a commentator for being obsessed with independence. Red Pill men would say she is 'hamstering' an excuse for another referendum.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 09:14 PM
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See above answer for why I think it is only partly related to biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 09:01 PM
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See, I think it is partly related to biology too because for instance I get why women, being more physically vulnerable, are encouraged to move in packs, stick with the group etc. Only within a civilised society there is really no reason to fear being attacked for having controversial ideas, for instance. And there is zero reason for being chased off twitter after receiving rape threats which men (especially gay men) get too and barely notice. This is all social conditioning which I think can ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 09:00 PM
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Exactly this. I think women have always been encouraged to stick with the group for protection, to keep them physically safe. So they are raised to value 'being liked' more than men. This holds them back when it comes to expressing controversial ideas etc. I also think this is why women are chased off online spaces like twitter more easily. They just feel more threatened by rape threats than men. I mean, anyone who has seen Dawkins' hilarious hate mail reading video knows men online get constant…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:56 PM
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It's a herd mentality of its own. Guys start businesses, everyone says it's cool when a guy starts a business, so everyone follows and starts a business. The underlying reason society encourages this is of course to compete with other men and impress women, but most men just don't think that far (just like most women don't know they are encouraged to be risk-averse) and go with the flow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:51 PM
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... Are there women out there who do not ask their partner about what kind of porn he likes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:45 PM
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Nationalism? I am a globalist. But I do love the West, yes. I would rather be in a first-world hospital where a doctor eyes me badly because sexism/whatever than in an environmental-friendly, peacefully multicultural, gender-fluid third world craphole, which seems to be the utopia many of my fellow feminist aspire to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:42 PM
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Being a female socialist is controversial now? Jesus, there are so many anti-West socialists in the feminist movement and they are all worshipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:31 PM
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Yeah, so basically a career equivalent of a good beta orbiter with a boring, stable STEM job.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:30 PM
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You know, my opinion on the Red Pill has shifted. My problem is mainly with some Red Pill guys who keep bitching about how women should go back to the kitchen, should not abort, should not be free etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:28 PM
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So in short we are saying the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:26 PM
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I find it amusing that someone from the Red Pill would say there is 'no reason to spread the info'. From what I have seen, lots of you guys need the info in order to 'unplug'. Why would it be different for career women? The ones at the top are, if you like, an equivalent of the alphas who 'just figured it out on their own'. And again, it is not about ordering women what to do, but about making them aware. Just like the Red Pill does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:51 PM
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So according to you a delicate gay boy or a transexual woman are more aggressive than a big, butch, angry lesbian? I'm not saying testosterone means nothing, but you need to look closer than that. Also, one thing: many 'risks' women are hesitant to take are not physical. They are social.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:47 PM
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You are another one who needs to boost his reading comprehension skills and do some yoga. When you do, you will realise we are both saying the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:40 PM
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I think many women who have controversial ideas (might not be like Ann Coulter but still different from 'the herd') are afraid to express them because they fear social stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:35 PM
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No, not testosterone. It's 'lack of inherent value' and having to compete to reproduce. Part of it is due to testosterone, but there is also a lot of social conditioning going on. Transgender men - that is - biological females who take testosterone, are not very risk-prone. Nor are delicate, dandyish homosexuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:33 PM
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I agree with this, but lots of women who are focused on their career/do not want children have no reason to care about their 'value' (which is all down to eggs), and could benefit by being made aware of this brainwashing. My point is, most women are not even aware they are risk-averse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:30 PM
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It is easier to convince a risk-averse demographic to take risks and stop thinking they 'matter' than convincing the other half to demand that they are made to matter, I will give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:28 PM
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In my opinion, it is also herd mentality which makes women hate women with a different opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:20 PM
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Some women want that, and do get there. I mean, here in the UK most top political leaders are female, both in Scotland and England. I also have a kickass top female lawyer, and the head of my health clinic is a woman. For those women who want to make it it's important that they realise how to change their behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:19 PM
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Is that attractive person your mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:17 PM
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'Be yourself' is nonsense. What exactly is 'yourself' if you are ever changing, ever improving? Be your BEST self, that is, get in shape, work, get your shit together... THAT is good advice. 'Be yourself' is a code term for 'accept your mediocrity and stop improving'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:57 PM
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That is true for both genders. George R. R. Martin himself said if he had had kids, ASOIAF would not have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:50 PM
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I thought there was something intrinsically wrong with me when boys did not pay any attention to me in secondary school. Then I lost weight and became very slim. Suddenly, it's 50 messages a day on match without trying. For a guy it's different, but I am always suspicious if the 'there is something wrong with me and I can't do anything to improve' take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:46 PM
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Eye roll a woman does not have to fuck you if she fucks everyone else. She gets to choose. And as you said, you were shooting out of your league. I bet you would not be an incel if you approached a fat girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:42 PM
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Yeah, so you are not trying hard enough. Those free dating apps are rubbish. Go on match when you have the money, and do not be impatient. My boyfriend was on match for mine months and went to a total of two dates before I came along.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:40 PM
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You describe yourself as an 'omega', so I guess those standards are not high after all. Also, I am sure you are referring to a slim semi-attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:34 PM
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Have you tried online dating? With decent pictures, a grammatically civil profile, your income stated (match gives you the option) and sending messages more decent than 'hey' to lots of women, not just the pretty 23 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:31 PM
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How much do you make? Can't you attract a low-income working class gold digger, or can you but you have 'standards'?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 06:25 PM
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I think it also impacts female employees who are hesitant to ask for a pay rise, who are timid when negotiating and the women who are afraid to say bold things and expose/write new ideas for fear of the social backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 05:59 PM
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I have just shown you there are 'Healing from Toxic Whiteness' and 'Dear White Men' feminist videos, and you tell me we 'single out' Muslim men? More like we give them a pass just because they are 'oppressed'. When we talk of white men, we say white men. We target them. We deconstruct 'white sexual imperialism'. When we talk of Muslim men, it's just an evasive 'all men do that' and a lot vague generalising, a lot of avoiding of culture-specific misogynist tendencies, and a lot of changing the su…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 05:42 PM
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Have you understood what I wrote? We are talking about exposing how Muslim men pressure Muslim women to wear certain garbs and harass Western women for being sluts. There is no such thing as 'freedom of choice' in an environment in which there are huge social pressures and the consequences of not toeing the line are dire.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 05:25 PM
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Yes, pretty much. I think it is so ingrained in many of them they are not even aware that they are doing it. Awareness is all I ask for. Then it's their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:55 PM
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'I grew up in America and we were pretty much told to get rich before we get cancer or else we'd have to run a meth lab to pay for the treatment.'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:53 PM
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Yes, true, but some women might want to take risks for other reason than impressing the opposite sex. Take Loreena McKennit. She gave up her university studies to become a musician, initially could not even take out a bank loan for a car. It could have been a disaster, and instead she became a millionaire. Her father, who started his own business, sort of raised her with a 'male' mentality, see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:46 PM
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Yes, but if you do not 'unplug' you are not even aware there is a choice. I don't want to force other women to take risks, I just want them to be more aware of this tendency and that they can change their behaviours if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:43 PM
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I agree that some women would lose, and in any case I do not think all women would take risks anyway. I believe women ought to be made aware of these self-imposed limits because some of them do want to fight them and take a risk, but do not know how because they are not made aware of these limits. Imagine it like an awakening/red pill for career women through which they 'unplug'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:42 PM
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Because most women are not even aware they have an aversion to risk, since everyone around them from birth conditioned them not to take any. The existence of the risk option often does not even cross their minds. They need to first be made aware of this social conditioning in order to fight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:27 PM
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Because those who fight it can advance professionally by standing out of the crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:25 PM
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Yes, I agree. But as you said it is possible to 'reconfigure' yourself if you so desire, because the human brain is very plastic. If it wasn't, we would have all failed to adapt and died.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:24 PM
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I believe being aware of it and actively fighting against it can have good results for those women who wish to be more competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:23 PM
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Yes, fair enough. But I think it is an aversion they ought to fight more actively against, especially in their professional lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:54 PM
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Women are held back by their own risk-taking aversion which is encouraged in them. If they make the effort to break free of it, they succeed. Indeed some are afraid to end up unmarried and childless not because they want children, but because unlike Coulter they fear the social stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:50 PM
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Women are brutal towards non-PC women who do not engage on an emotional level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:48 PM
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This is supposedly also why people accuse successful career women of being 'masculine' in their mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:47 PM
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I would be delighted to debate with you in the future once you have mastered the basic reading comprehension skills necessary to understand what I write.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:46 PM
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There is huge social pressure on men too. They are brainwashed at birth to see themselves as disposable and regard their own feelings as irrelevant. Can't have a whole demographics whom you could potentially ship to war at any second be too concerned about how they feel and being risk-averse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:32 PM
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I agree with this. Does not change that if she were a PC heart bleeder, nobody would give a damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:30 PM
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There is a video on EverydayFeminism which is basically a seminar about 'Healing from Toxic Whiteness'. That is actually what they called it. Imagine I rounded up a bunch of the Muslim feminists who support a burka ban and speak out against the modesty culture and widespread misogyny in the Muslim world. Imagine that together we made a video about how they are oppressed by Muslim misogynists into being good, pure marriage materials and Western women like me are oppressed by the same men because …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:27 PM
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Does she? Still, I think she is very funny on her own during interviews etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:08 PM
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I am sure Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, Nicola Sturgeon, Ruth Davidson and all our other leader female politicians in Britain totally stopped maturing in their teens. I have come to the realisation that when men here say 'women' they mean the dumb girls they see in bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 02:42 PM
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You are so wrong in thinking the feminist movement worships masculinity. Take this from a feminist: try to engage any one of my fellows in a rational debate about the misogyny widespread in one of their protected groups (like ethnic minority men) and they will burst into tears, say you 'hurt people's feelings' and that you have 'internalised toxic masculinity'. Most feminists (except me) hate nothing more than a woman who is anything other than a nurturing, compassionate PC-robot with a bleeding…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 02:39 PM
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'Make up deteriorates looks' is the greatest bit of bullshit I have heard today. If anything, putting on the sunscreen moisturiser you use before foundation protects you from sun skin damage. And the things you have to do after putting make up on for maintenance, like cleansing, exfoliating and moisturising are all good for the skin as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 02:34 PM
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The thing is, even as a feminist the people who crack me up the most are non-PC women like Ann Coulter or Katie Hopkins. Once you take off the polite PC layer, women can be very, very witty. The difference is that women are better at 'educated' wit, whilst men are funnier when they are crude. In a way, most of the funniest humour I have seen coming from women is them putting themselves above the people they are making fun of. So it is always kind of 'bitchy'. In a sense it is the same sort of hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 02:27 PM
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You sound like an embittered working class man with little female attention who hopes to shock women with his pathetic, attention-grabbing vulgarity. I feel so sorry for you, and so glad thanks to the rights we women have nowadays, you can do nothing to control our lives but throw angry words on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 10:53 AM
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I know this very well. I have had my fights in the movement. Still, I fight for abortion rights in Ireland and the closure of the incommensurably sexist sharia courts in the UK. I am the real feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 10:44 PM
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What the hell does this even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 10:10 PM
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Well, for what it is worth, I am an anti-intersectional feminist. I think intersectionality is a disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 09:51 PM
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Treating a foetus as a person more important than the will of the woman who carries it means treating the woman as nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 09:28 PM
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Yeah, an employee who gets sexually harassed by her boss and loses her job when she refuses to sleep with him is throwing a tantrum. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 09:13 PM
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Let me remind you of the Red Pill slogan: 'enjoy the decline' (of civilisation). They literally see women's empowerment as the end of civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 09:12 PM
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'Killing their own children' is the ducking best thing ever. You do not understand. There are women in Ireland jailed for life for having an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 08:04 PM
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So women should go out and earn their own money! There should be a movement to give then the power to do so... oh wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 08:03 PM
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It's like saying which one is 'true' Labour (here in the UK). Tony Blair, or the far-left Jeremy Corbyn. Feminism is very much like a political party, so there are splits within it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 07:10 PM
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That's like saying not all socialists believe in a centralised, bigger state. These are standard points from the Manosphere doctrine. There may be shades, but that does not mean 'each individual should tell me who they are' as if they were in no way tied together by a common ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 06:42 PM
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How can I be a woman, a feminist and a misogynist?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 05:13 PM
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Even nowadays there are splits. There are pro-sex work feminists, the anti ones, intersectional feminists who believe feminism, Black Lives Matter and refugee issues are all the same thing, and the more centre ground ones like me who reject intersectionalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:57 PM
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Do you think the beliefs I have underlined belong mostly to the alt right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:26 PM
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No, 'most women' nowadays have various boyfriends and take birth control and have abortions and marry and divorce without men being able to control them. That is unchecked hypergamy, and it is great because it serves the female imperative. Controlled hypergamy means shaming women for their sexuality to create a sexual welfare for men by giving each beta loser a wife who cannot divorce him without facing economic destitution and social ostracisation. Thank goodness feminism got rid of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:25 PM
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See below answer for details.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:08 PM
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It is not just people in the RP though. That was my point. The same beliefs about 'hypergamy' are present among the incel community (places like sluthate.com), MGTOWs, lookism and MRA activists. I have seen them all parrot the sane 'hypergamy bad! Old days slut-shaming was good! Kept it under control and each man got a looks matched woman!' tripe. Not every member of each community does, but these same views are shared by members of all these communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:08 PM
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This is true. Yet honestly, do you guys recognise the differences among feminist factions before you bran them all as blue-haired, vegan far-left SJWs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:04 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 03:23 PM
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You would not believe how many arguments I get into with SJWs. I am very much against the far-left.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 03:13 PM
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I am a woman :) I have been told by writing style is masculine. Do you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:36 PM
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Better that than all women being subservient to men and having no access to universities, abortion etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:19 PM
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Who exactly am I shaming? I support casual sex, it's just not for me personally. The way playing golf is also not for me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:17 PM
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Do you also support the Red Pill complaints about society 'celebrating hypergamy' instead of shaming it like in the past? That is what I am talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:16 PM
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You cannot deny it is true. How many of you here have criticised the way society 'celebrates hypergamy'?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:15 PM
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They worked in obscurity, yes, and I praise those scientists. The funds to continue the research came from feminists, though. Men allowed it, and I explained to you why they did so to save face, seeing the political risks involved. They were (and some still are) very bitter about having to capitulate and do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 12:37 PM
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Sex positive = women getting to fuck who they want without social stigma. How hard is it to comprehend feminists campaign for women? If you want a movement about men, join the MRAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 12:35 PM
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Yes. I call it the Manosphere. Their beliefs are all pretty much the same: that it was a bad thing to give women freedom because this does not allow the average Joe to have a faithful wife at home. Even MGTOWs say marriage was worth it when women had no rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 12:22 PM
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Male sexuality is inherently aggressive and exploitative of women. No one who campaigns for women's rights could be totally in favour of it. Men are attracted to youth, sometimes even pubescent youth. Those instincts harm women, and that is why the legal age for marriage could possibly be 21 in the future in New York (there are talks about this). That being said, many of us feminists think porn is necessary because it keeps men sedated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 12:21 PM
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The reason why they do not get the credit is that they would not have given them the vote had suffragettes not been put in prison, starved themselves, force-fed, sexually assaulted by the police during manifestations and so on. Men did not want to give women the vote, and only did so because the suffragettes kept fighting and were being successful at garnering sympathy and painting these men in power as villains in the public eye. Men would get the credit for the female suffrage if they had been…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 12:16 PM
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Guess who funded the research for the pill? That's right. Feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 11:43 AM
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Yes, I was thinking more about the continuation of the sexual revolution which was contemporary to the third wave feminists who wrote in favour of it, so I phrased that badly. Some feminists, like Germaine Greer, did actually practice what they preached though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 11:41 AM
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Well, I have never been with a guy who was not my boyfriend and with whom I was in a relationship. Would you call these 'nice guys' Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 11:20 AM
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No, the second wave was anti-sexual revolution. Third wavers were sex-positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 11:19 AM
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Sure, but they are the ones who actually do what feminists write about in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 11:18 AM
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Second wave feminists were against sexual liberation. They thought it objectified women. Only the third-wavers wrote about being sex positive and accepted the sexual revolution as legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 11:16 AM
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This is very true. I and the fellow feminists I know are too bookish, too politically active and too nerdy to go after these GuidoChad types worshipped by the Red Pill. What basically happens is that we feminists are the ones who create the doctrine, and party girls/normal women are the ones who carry it out in real life. I am pretty sure most early third waver writers were not the ones who personally carried out the sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 01:18 AM
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I never denied there is also domestic abuse against men. Only because men are more aggressive and physically stronger, they are more likely to abuse a woman if immersed in the kind of social conditions which promote such behaviour (as happened back before domestic abuse laws existed). Various hobbies include sports, reading books, blogging or being involved in political activism (yes, the SJWs). I am 24. Never met a peer who still lived with her parents or in anyway resembled the overemotional i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 11:10 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/13/hidden-rise-violent-crime-growth-violence-against-women The average woman has a variety of different hobbies, but is certainly more likely to go to university compared than her male peers. She possesses perfectly functional logical capabilities which allow her to consider a number of factors before entering into a serious (and I stress serious) relationship, including whether the man in question appears to be abusive. This logical screening process…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 10:31 PM
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I can sum up your whole argument very simply, based on the comments you have made so far: you are saying I do not know anything about the average beta man and how he behaves within a marriage. You, a man, know better. However, I also do not know much about the average woman, and you, a man, the opposite gender, know better. Convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 09:59 PM
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I am British. The average woman is not obsessed with beauty and pretty things, and liking those things does not make her an illogical idiot. Like it or not, many women have casual sex because they simply enjoy the sex. They are not all begging for a relationship with a guy who is not relationship material. Men abuse their spouses all the time, so it is good that we now live in a civilisation which greatly curtails the power they have over women. No fruitful discussion can be held so long as you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 09:18 PM
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My point is that it is great women are no longer encouraged to stay at home, because the men who 'provided' for them were not great, they just did so by denying them the right to a career (and consequently economic freedom) of their own, and often abused them. They do not deserve any celebration. I see you believe women are stupid and cannot pick a good man without the guidance of the strong father/uncle/brother. I being of the belief that women are fully grown adults capable of making their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 08:47 PM
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Addressing your points: My mother is a SAHM. She had no way of earning her own money. She had to endure my father cheating on her, humiliating her and at times even striking her, because if she divorced him there would (back in the day) be a huge scandal and she would lose the custody of us kids. So no, a husband you are dependent upon has a lot of control over you, and is your master, not your cash machine. Women sometimes might make a mistake when picking a husband. In an environment in which …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 08:33 PM
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The choice of a woman in the past was extremely limited. She could not travel on her own, immigrate on her own, and see the world like she can now. She had to stay where everyone could believe she was a virgin. She was at times literally sold to a man by her father who could no longer support her. Now we get to finally pick a husband, after sampling various boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 08:05 PM
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Believe me, as a feminist I agree wholeheartedly (although I know this is an injustice towards the few male good apples). But how the fuck do I do that and still get the women and children refugees in?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 07:08 PM
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And of course you think it was better to treat women like cattle to be sold to a man, as before.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 06:58 PM
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Do not apologise. I wish I could say this among my fellow feminists without getting murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 09:18 PM
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Ahem, Margaret Thatcher was, unsurprisingly, pro-choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 11:13 AM
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https://t.co/vMFa8tc14U
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 10:41 AM
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I agree manufacturing should be brought back to the USA, but manufacturing and globalisation are NOT enemies. Germany has a huge manufacturing industry AND trades with China. That is because they do not manufacture any shit, but stuff that requires precision which could not be made in some Chinese countryside hole. So they stay competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 08:37 PM
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It means a bigger market like the EU single market and trade with China and other foreign powers. It is with these two things that Germany became a powerhouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 08:19 PM
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Again with this strawman. Men and women are different but equal, like 2+2 = 5 - 1. They amount to the same value. This is what we mean. We need more women in power because, as seen here with Theresa May, women do not defund abortion clinics or legalise mild beatings like Putin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 07:02 PM
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Fuck no. I care a lot about the economy. I am a globalist, and if the 'no global' socialist or ethno-nationalist are allowed to go about unchecked they will wreck the economy and goodbye to first world standard safe abortion clinics. The prosperity of the West is everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:59 PM
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Neither I, not the woman in the story go out and cry victim status. We just try to do our best, and still get condescended. If we did indeed have the DGAF attitude, we'd be considered the lazy ones who 'are probably here thanks to the pink quotas'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:54 PM
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The point is, politically and diplomatically speaking the EU simply could not have refused to take them in. Everyone makes it look like Merkel simply loved taking everyone in, but it is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:42 PM
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Where the fuck were these charities RIGHT THEN as people were flowing in? And of course the EU is trying to deport those who have no right to stay, but you think they are easy to catch? The Cologne rapists were not refugees, they were illegals who slipped in along with genuine refugees. Nobody could find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:33 PM
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Who? Other African countries? It will probably end up like this, with the EU bullying them to take them in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:31 PM
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Trudeau has very nice hair, but many women voted for him because he is pro-choice. Merkel is constantly demonised, and everyone assumes she wanted the flow of illegal immigrants which came in with refugees. The truth is, she simply had no choice. The fuck do you do when you find thousands of dislocated people at the gates of Europe? Even bloody Trump admitted 'something humanitarian' had to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:56 PM
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I am not prejudiced against men, I have a self-defence mechanism in place because I know they are prejudiced against me. Although I understand why one would feel angry at the pink quotas, they are necessary because men's prejudice against women is too strong. Otherwise they would not hire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:54 PM
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What on earth is authority in a female fashion? Thatcher?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:41 PM
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You forget that I am a woman, and I do not have the 'women are incompetent and emotional' bias. I would probably trust the woman more because men are more likely to talk over women or ignore them in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:21 PM
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Well, huge progress has been made. A hundred years ago you could never have imagined Theresa May, our British PM, ruling the country. Or Angela Merkel. Or simply male lawyers and doctors. I do not believe in the 'it can't be helped' nonsense. Because there were probably people who said 'we'll never get the vote, it can't be helped' or 'we'll never get equal rights, it can't be helped' or 'we'll never get legal abortion, it can't be helped'. Look at what happened instead..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:19 PM
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But you were very antagonistic towards modern feminists in your post, and instead feminists have been working tirelessly to address these problems. Think of pink quotas. Why are they necessary? Because women are less trusted than men, and men favour other men when it comes to giving positions of authority. Pink quotas are a legislation put in place to address the natural bias which you have highlighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 03:53 PM
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The past in which women were not leaders was... perhaps the same past where they were not allowed to go to university, could not own property and later on could not get a credit card unless married? Thought so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 03:21 PM
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I do not cry much, because I am not American.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 03:13 PM
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I am sure plenty of men told the suffragettes that 'things are as they are, the world is an imperfect place, women have different privileges.' That did not stop the suffragettes, and look at what they obtained. Look at what we have today. So the fighting goes on because even if the world is imperfect, hopefully a lot of the obstacles women face today will be gone in a hundred years, as many which were in place a hundred years ago are gone now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:58 PM
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'Learn to deal with it' is not, and never has been, an option. Suffragettes did not 'deal with it' when they got arrested and denied the vote. They fought on. Look at how the perception of women has changed over the last hundred years. This is why feminism is essential. 'Egalitarians' just think the status quo is good enough, whilst we know we can achieve so much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:55 PM
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I am using the appropriate pronoun. He and she are used for humans, not subhumans.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:52 PM
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Which is why feminism is needed. Thank you for confirming this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:48 PM
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I can see the difference, but I do not see these egalitarian MRA groups working to change things. And before you tell me perceptions cannot change, I ought to remind you women were considered too hysterical and emotional to vote before the suffragettes came along.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:48 PM
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Yes, and abstinence has of course always worked. Everyone listens when you tell them to abstain. In Victorian England, all those religious talks of abstinence totally did not stop London from becoming a STD-infested, prostitute-ridden cesspool full of girls as young as 13 running around pregnant. Here in the UK, we only got the 'pregnant teen' crisis of a few years ago under control by promoting birth control and having abortion free on the NHS. For some reason, the abstinence talks never led an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:44 PM
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Yes, this makes sense, although in my opinion neither theory (a. sexism b. laziness) can really be discredited, and the sexist theory does have the backing of what Nicole said about her boss, who asked her to write in a more 'feminine' way: https://t.co/vMFa8tc14U A note: notice how it seems people are immediately less likely to believe Nicole. Almost as if there was a certain bias towards women who complain in the workplace, and the belief that they only do so to mask their laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:41 PM
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What you point out, whilst valid, has a fallacy: the woman used the man's name during the experiment, and as a result processed every client twice as quickly and her word was taken seriously. Obviously if her technique was the problem, the same issues would have cropped up even under a male name, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:23 PM
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But how do you reconcile that with the fact that when she presented herself to new clients (they are copywriters who get through clients quickly) under a male pseudonym everything was fine and nobody complained? Also I am deeply convinced this story would not have been believed had it not been told by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:48 PM
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Yup. Very true. Having more female bosses helps, though. It normalises seeing women in authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:39 PM
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You have just been handed proof a woman is treated worse than a man in the workplace and it affects her career because she is processing clients less quickly. You want to tell me 'the patriarchy' aka bias in favour of men in authority, does not exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:36 PM
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Her bad reputation was apparently not earned since she processed his clients without any problems once they believed her to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:30 PM
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Yes, so basically you are admitting there is a gender bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:28 PM
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And from here stem all other issues: women are often told to dress more feminine at work (Trump tells its female employees to 'dress like women') and women have reported men started opening doors for them and treating them with respect when they did so. Yet what if triggering men's protective instinct suddenly made them less likely to take a woman seriously at work? What if they valued her authority less?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:27 PM
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Because she does not. He explained he did not change his standard working practice when he went through her clients. Nicole was also told to 'write in a more feminine way' by her boss: https://t.co/vMFa8tc14U Also, you forget she actually went through his clients in the meanwhile. They did not think she was a 'shitty employee' now that she was under a male pseudonym.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:04 PM
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They are copywriters. Nicole, the woman, also wrote a blog post about how her boss tried to tell her to make her writing look 'more feminine' https://t.co/vMFa8tc14U
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 12:02 PM
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I have not really noticed a difference because men just treat me well when I am dressed in a feminine way, and that can also include ballet flats.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 11:16 AM
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Not even if they replace them for cute ballet flats? Most guys I have asked always tell me they like ballet flats, especially if they have bows. In general it seems to me that it is more about dressing 'feminine' than about the height of the heel. However, an important consideration is that perhaps ballet flats make you look girly and 'cute' whilst high heels are openly sexy, sand so I can see why men would like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 11:13 AM
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No, as a matter of fact he wants to defund Planned Parenthood which is the only thing that keeps the numbers of single-parent kids relatively down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 11:04 AM
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When you men say 'mine' it sounds so much like you think of women as objects/possessions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 09:52 PM
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Yes, so basically lots of men see women as objects/possessions rather than people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 12:53 AM
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I must say I, as a feminist, would have been a bit disappointed if Hillary had become the first female President (although she is much better than Trump).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:43 PM
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Are you actually serious? You'd like a woman to callously manipulate you into a relationship so long as she does things you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:41 PM
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We in the UK take no responsibility for Donald Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:10 PM
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You should spread these views more among other men like you. If men like you stay away from all these good women, it saves us feminists a lot of work. Please be vocal about this with your kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:01 PM
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I am sure you are just about an expert on the current goings within the feminist movement. You know, I thought men had by now learned the worst way to make a feminist be silent is to mansplain and tell her to be so. But folks never learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 03:46 PM
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This is such a pile of embittered crap. Bitterness truly shines through in every line. Anyway: How old are you? Younger women have options. They are not going to choose you unless you offer them big benefits (monetary and personal). This picky attitude is already a turnoff. You know well it does not have to be 15 of them. It can also be five or six. Reasons are multiple. She decided to move to another country for better career opportunities, and she left her boyfriend for that. She had another o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 03:43 PM
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Exactly, you still consider her a slut, and you have not addressed my points which point out fallacies in your argument regarding to what sluts are like, with reference to a woman like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:46 PM
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Your argument, however, falls apart in certain circumstances. Imagine a 'serious monogamist', a woman who has had serious relationships with various men. Why would that be a sign of poor self-esteem? She loved these men. Now she loves you. Is that poor self-esteem too? Secondly, if she was in serious relationships with those other guys too, why would you consider it unfair she makes you commit too? P. S. Of course she would still be a 'slut' because she has had multiple partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:35 PM
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Question about this 'competitiveness': is it better if a woman says her past boyfriends were really nice people, or assholes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:06 PM
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I was referring to a kid who was not the man's. We women pay taxes too. If you want us to be in the higher tax brackets in higher numbers, by any means promote us more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:50 PM
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The 'moral equivalent' of the Red Pill for women would be how to manipulate him into a relationship, fatherhood and marriage. It would be how to force him to raise your kid even if he does not want to by manipulating his sexuality. That is what TRP does. It teaches how to manipulate women to then use them as 'cum dumpsters'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:42 PM
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Again, my point is proven by how you are highlighting that the source of disgust/hatred is not, say, that other woman she slept with's bodily fluids, but rather male sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:32 PM
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It's impossible to like a man and to hate his dick/sexuality. That's the equivalent of a woman hating another woman's bodily fluids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:22 PM
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Yes, and isn't the idea of that woman with other men in the past displeasing because they are men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:20 PM
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See, this is why I think Men's Rights movements will never work. Men don't like other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:18 PM
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Comments like these make me one happy feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 11:46 AM
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Met him on the internet. There are strange people around the net.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 04:34 PM
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It means I don't drink alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 02:38 PM
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Oh, he was even more fucked up than that. Oral did count, but stuff like BDSM with whips was okay so long as there was no genital contact (this is all stuff we only sexted about because we never had action). And his BDSM kinks were things like, 'I want you to rub your clit for five minutes and I will be counting', and I just said okay and streamed some YouTube video whilst he counted. Lmao it was hilarious. I felt kinda sorry for him, though. And he was 29, not even some little kid!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 01:12 AM
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So this one guy I knew was really weird. He was a devout Christian who wanted to have sex, but was brainwashed into believing you cannot have sex before marriage. So he wanted something in between, like sexting. I went along for the lulz, only it became annoying when he started to ask for pics, which I would not give. He acted all offended each time I refused, tried to push my limits, totally failed, said I was not 'encouraging' him and so on. I got bored with him and start seeing another guy wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 12:15 AM
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Ah, a warehouse is already a particular work environment with certain uses. So it's different. I do not think any of the guys I have ever worked with (when I don't work on my freelance career I work in an office) has ever seen me as 'one of the guys', meaning there was never that much closeness between us. And yes, I do not want to encourage anyone to think I would be down for flirting etc. So I also have that kind of much more 'sterile' workplace scenario in mind when I think of a random guy gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:08 PM
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Fuck no. We gave them a chance in Britain and now it looks like we will crash out of the EU without a deal and trading on WTO. They are all cheering cause at least there'll be less bleedin' Poles around. There is a fucking reason why this country is actually a monarchy, and not a true democracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:50 PM
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I would. I'm slim, 24 years old, 5'7, too pale, long lank hair that isn't really fashionable, a very weak chin and an overbite. I'm sure we and our average children would all be very happy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:47 PM
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But the argument is that nowadays just the few who are really rich get the girl, because women work and make money and don't need a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:44 PM
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One question is, how would you go about establishing these norms, if not through law? For instance, here in the UK Christianity is dead and in the ground and Conservatives are pro-choice, so I doubt the Christian approach would work. Any other options?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:42 PM
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With co-workers? During work? About ourselves? Things like 'I like sex the way I like my coffee: bittersweet, in the morning, and so addictive I cannot get enough of if'? No, I would not say that sort of thing because I do not like to, ahem, 'shit where I eat' and bring my sex life into the picture. My restrain is also partly motivated by the fact that I do not want to give any 'signals' to a bunch of men I want to stay well away from. I do understand however that if you are used to sharing bant…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:40 PM
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I have never understood this theory, because technically that kind of pair-up should still exist between BetaBux and his wife, according to their theories. The difference of course being that it happens later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:42 PM
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The thing is, I do not see butt-grabbing (or pussy-grabbing, to stay in fashion) as something a normal man would do to a woman at a very early stage unless they met when they were both drunk in a bar. I also do not see catcalling or obvious sexual innuendos or things like 'send me some nudes along with those files' as something normal. So the fact that this supposed colleague does this things is a symptom that he might be a problem to other female co-workers, too. We just have a very different i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 08:06 PM
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Lol good luck with that. Also, I'm British.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 07:57 PM
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Your lack of care is why your argument is weak. And why that girl would not lose her job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:50 PM
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You fail to understand the sexual dynamics between men and women. Male sexuality is aggressive. He is still the one who approached her, and is acting defensive as a result. Instead, the other guy approached the girl AND proceeded to harass her. You know better than me that the girl in question would have never even looked at the guy by her own volition. So she can't be the attacker.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:19 PM
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A MUSLIM zombie apocalypse, to be precise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 04:57 PM
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Who does a better job then? Dark Enlightenment?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 04:33 PM
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I don't have facebook either. I'm obsessed by the Brexit Twitter coverage of various digital journalists though. By the way, I am pretty sure not a single one of them is dating anyone since they tweet political opinion at every hour of the day and night, including the weekends. So if anything social media destroys people's private lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 02:14 PM
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Within a culture that says it is alright to harass women, the financial future of the female population is at risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:34 PM
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'Anything with a dick' is engaging in harassment? Wow, you are so misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:30 PM
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Laugh today, laugh tomorrow, make that joke about grabbing pussies acceptable, and then you will see pussies getting grabbed for real. When Berlusconi was in power, he created a culture of misogyny in Italy. It was okay to say the most disgusting things about women, because he would send models to the EU parliament and have hot girls wiggling their butts at 8 PM on his TV channels. Culture is everything. Women who think allowing a sexist culture to foster us harmless have no bloody idea what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:27 PM
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Yes, and had we thought like this one hundred years ago we would have not gotten the vote and the equality that followed. If you accept the status quo, things don't change. They change when social stigma is created against harassers. Women with a lot of self-respect care about seeing their harassers punished. If you would not want a co-worker who grabs your butt fired, I ask you from the bottom of my heart to seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:24 PM
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I always find it amusing when 'catcalling' and harassing women in the streets is presented as 'being men'. I think it's pretty insulting to men, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:21 PM
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An 'innocent joke'? Saying that women which make up half his department ought not to work with the boys because tears happen when love blossoms? As if they were lovey creatures who came to work just to romance up the boys? He deserved to be fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:14 PM
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If a company publicly refuses to fire a misogynist/racist, it would expose itself to potential mass public boycotts, tons of bad publicity, cut of funds from donors etc. I call that pretty fucking huge damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:12 PM
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Uhm, I do not know whether you know that there is an opposition to Donald Trump? That's what the other side exists for within a democracy. I am not advocating for a change of law, we are talking of culture. For instance when the Daily Mail started spewing anti-immigrant bullshit, Lego terminated its ad contract with it. It send the clear message that Lego, as a company, does not stand by racists. Same thing for those who refuse to dress Melania and those Nordstrom which boycotted Ivanka's line. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:10 PM
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Freedom of speech merely means you have the right to express an opinion. It should not mean your disgusted co-workers and Facebook contacts ought to put up with it. Milo was not fired because the law said so. He was fired because he said something culturally and socially unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:02 PM
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Nowadays, in case you have not noticed, blacks and women have equal rights. A racist or misogynist making it to the top signals that blacks or women are less than equal and can be harassed. So he is not functional within modern society because he attempts to set out hers back/make them vulnerable to harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:58 AM
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Women are the receivers of catcalling, and they decide whether it is a big deal or not. You certainly don't make the rules. The point is that we want to live our lives, and not enter your retarded competition of 'tough skin' made to make insecure guys feel even vaguely masculine by trying to look tough. It is about creating to a society which caters to our needs and shames men who want to set us back. If you allow harassers to go unpunished, you signals that street harassment is acceptable behav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:55 AM
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It is not about hurt 'fee fees', it is about giving a clear message that we, as a society, shun, ostracise and shame misogynists and racists in every way. Remember that UK scientist who lost his job after saying women should not be with the boys in a lab 'because they cry'? He was the one who cried when he lost his job a week later.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:43 AM
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No, because a society that gives the message that a Neo Nazi can make it to the top is a society in shambles. Good thing if they think common decency is a 'work facade', that way they can be spotted and fired more quickly. This reminds me of those people who said it was a pity that Brock Turner, the swimmer rapist, had his career ruined by the scandal. A person in a top job is an upstanding, functional member of society. If you demonstrate that you are a misogynist or a racist, you are not a fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:41 AM
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Would your views be different if he had catcalled a woman in real life? Because the fear of losing your jobs is a huge deterrent, and would stop many men from doing that.z
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:32 AM
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Why? An online harasser ought to fear the consequences of his actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:21 AM
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Not being able to get a date without social media is pure nonsense. People do not even register with their real name on websites like match.com, and after the first date what is the woman will know the guy's real name, but usually won't ask for the guy's full name, including potential second initials so she can find him. I don't think too many women act like that. This guy could be the Red Pill Poster Boy because he is trying to act 'confident' without really understanding how it works, and turn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:44 AM
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Hi, right now I am busy and will not have time to update this thread with detailed links today, so of course go ahead and delete it at your discretion if necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:58 PM
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You mean links to various Red Pill posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 04:37 PM
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Yup xxx
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 03:53 PM
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No, because we feminists will educate them properly ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 03:08 PM
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Well, shipping their women to the West is a great idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 02:46 PM
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But again, you are assuming that the guys getting targeted are the 'hey how are you' crowd. It refers to catcallers and drunkards who do not leave women alone in bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 02:44 PM
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We are not talking about physical violence alone. I am also referring to 'not taking no as an answer', or 'not suppressing your sexual desire', and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 02:42 PM
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I'm from the UK. What is this law?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 02:01 PM
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I already said in my post that I agree with the fitness/self-improvement part of the Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:49 PM
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It is not as extreme as asking for written consent. A guy at a bar coming over and making sexual comments and not taking 'no' for an answer is a harasser.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:48 PM
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You assume that a hot stranger who approaches at random would be positively received. Very often that is not the case. And no, expressing your sexuality in an aggressive/harassing manner is not a right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:44 PM
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Woman rape is as bad as child rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:42 PM
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Anti-sexual assault lessons, sorry. You know, that stuff the Manosphere moans about constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:42 PM
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I just do not see these 'bad boy' harassers around, to be honest with you. Perhaps it is because I screen men well, but I have never been on a date with a man who seriously tried to push those boundaries, thankfully. I highly doubt women reward that behaviour. It's probably a distorted view of what those 'rewarded' guys are actually like.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:39 PM
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'No' means nothing seems fair to you? And you think it is not harassment if a guy a woman does not even know comes over and starts making sexual comments? If it happened to me I'd 1. cover him in insults. 2. Throw a drink at him if I have one in my hand (though I'm teetotal) if he is being aggressive. Women do want to be polite, but you have just highlighted why they can't. If a man feels entitled to make sexual comments about you at random you have to fight back.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:36 PM
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Yes, exactly. Amoral. We should not judge a paedo because he is pursuing his sexual strategy. We should not judge a rapist because he is pursuing his sexual strategy too. That's what 'amoral' looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:33 PM
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The amoral part is what I was referring to. I have seen comments on there saying 'rape is a valid sexual strategy, we should not tell men what to do'. And the whole emphasis on this conspiracy theory about men getting domesticated by the PC Globalist Tyranny when they get sexual assault lessons in college is just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:31 PM
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But the Red Pill says it is because our society has castrated them through indoctrination.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 11:51 AM
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It did. Coincidentally. Even if she was not democratically elected.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 08:02 PM
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I don't care about whose fault it is, I won't encumber myself with either of the above groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 10:46 AM
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I would reject two types of men: Fat men. Men who do not have their shit together. A man working in a call centre for a minimum wage at the age of 30 with a crippling student debt and living in a rented room does not have a chance with me. As for the rest, I do not really care much about features and other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 01:07 AM
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And you are too lazy to get statistics and sources that would make one think. Great.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:36 AM
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A word of advice: if you want an intelligent discussion, use facts, sources and statistics and don't being up your masculinity issues which are in themselves not intelligent. I would be happy to debate someone I disagree with who does that. No point in debating your angry rants.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:10 AM
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Yes, they can increase their SMV, but 1. Many Red Pillers are just lazy rangers on the internet who will never go to the gym. 2. genetics play a part. 3. these men seem to want to go for very young women, who have much better options among the young men in their social groups. MGTOW is technically good, but not practically. See, if MGTOW was really about men peacefully retreating from the sexual marketplace, it would be fantastic. It would be a place in which men encourage each other to work on …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:07 AM
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Yeah, so basically you just wrote a quote, research, source and fact-free long rant and finished with a touch of insecurity in your masculinity by feeling the need to tell me - a stranger on the internet - some bullshit about you being on the top of the ladder or whatever. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:38 PM
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They can improve their SMV however much they like. Their business. Women simply are not attracted to low-value men. They are the ones who choose by virtue of being A. more selective. B. less thirsty. Most men are so thirsty and have such limited options that they will go with whoever says yes. Women are not really concerned with whatever Red Pillers, in their bitterness, want them to 'bring to the table'. They know men want them much, much more than they themselves want men, so they set the rule…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:27 PM
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Yes of course. 80% is a highly disputable statistic, but women are indeed very selective. Can't blame them. Who the fuck wants to propagate Red Pill genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:11 PM
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Thing is, 1. I am in a LTR. 2. Most 18 year olds do not marry because they go to uni and then have careers. 3. Most women are attracted to men their own age and slightly older so the amount of 36 year old men who can get a 19 year old is infinitesimal. 4. In a world in which women earn their own money (let me remind you that this is a thread about the British Prime Minister) and misogyny is heavily stigmatised, becoming less attractive to men with time is not really something most women give a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:10 PM
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David Cameron cannot could not command the attention of his own party. In any case, whatever bullshit dominance rule men have made up does not matter to women. She is the PM, and if he does not respect her because he thinks he is 'more dominant', he loses his fucking job.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:03 PM
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Again with the bullshit assumption that women want to be married to the 80% instead of having careers, freedom, multiple partners and abortions, and that they just get 'used' through casual sex because they have no agency and no desire for just casual sex with a hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:52 PM
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'Act like a douche, and I'll ruin your career for mansplaining.' There, fixed it for you ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:44 PM
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Utter bullshit, the good state of things is the current one where women are not oppressed by either group of misogynists. There is nothing good about a patriarchal system. And these 'Islam is taking over' conspiracy theories are so 2016. So old and tired. So stupid. It's not even fun to laugh at trolls who being them up any longer. I just yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:43 PM
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The beliefs of many Trump supporters are similar to those of the Red Pillers in regard to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:30 PM
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Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:28 PM
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You are the guy who wrote that it was a good thing when women were forced to marry their rapist, right? Nice attempt to trick us into a clickbait, it won't work with me. Good job making a living by exploiting the desperation of many men and telling them whatever they want to hear, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:28 PM
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You are making a false equation. White supremacy is about oppressing minorities just because they are minorities. Being anti-religion means wanting to protect women and LGBT minorities from unspeakable abuse. And yes, I do think Islam is fucked up as hell. My fellow liberals are pretty stuck on this issue, because they do not want to further alienate Muslims who already face massive discrimination thanks to the right, but there are some disgustingly misogynist things going on behind the scenes. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:24 PM
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Because to us feminists getting an angry backlash from angry men when we openly declare we are feminists is a good thing. It proves our point. We do not care about being liked by our rivals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:09 PM
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Because its members are in the bottom 80% and have no options. There is a limit to how much they can increase it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:07 PM
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Christianity is a very misogynist creed, both because it is against abortion and because it promotes grotesque roles for women, telling them to 'submit to their husbands' and similar degeneracy. Allowing such a creed any kind of space in the making of laws is in itself a clear sign that the country is okay with misogyny and oppressive gender roles. Britain does have its Church too, but they are pretty much irrelevant these days because they never accepted all that happened after the suffragettes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:05 PM
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The UK hates white European immigrants tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:59 PM
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It's really not 'England'. It's England, Wales, Scotland. Northern Ireland does not count because devolution allowed them to keep abortion illegal as in the Republic of Ireland.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:57 PM
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I did not comment on her politics. I said she looks good for her age. She even recently have up on crisps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:41 PM
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There is a big difference between being unmarried by choice and being unmarried because not a single woman you desire wants to marry you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:32 PM
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Theresa May looks great for her age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:30 PM
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Yes, most conservatives here are even pro-choice. They are very different from Republicans.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:29 PM
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The reason why he thought he could get away with being a dick to the Prime Minister is supposed to be that the Prime Minister is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:26 PM
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Yes, she identifies as a feminist and wears that feminist T-shirt: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/is-theresa-may-the-most-feminist-prime-minister-ever/amp/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:23 PM
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Lmao I suppose 'Brexit means Brexit' just needed replacement with a new slogan.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:17 PM
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I find it amusing that when Trumpeteers are attacked by an opposition they think the opposition is 'defying democracy', seeing as that is actually what democracy is about, as you have explained. Trump supporters, just like him, take everything very personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:12 PM
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The anger and desire for vengeance permeating your Red Pill reply sort of proves my point. I thought even most Red Pillers, at least in their rare moments of lucidity, agreed that low SMV women have 100 times more options than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:09 PM
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I completely agree. Also, Blairites have now been demonised. They are called 'Red Tories', so moderate Tories have a bigger chance of being the true non-misogynistic liberals than Corbyn's crones. I was making a comparison to what a Republican said. You would never hear a comment like this from a Tory: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/republican-senate-candidate-says-rape-pregnancies-are-gift-god/322172/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:07 PM
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What on earth are you even saying. I was answering to the claim that Trump's victory had supposedly nothing to do with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:04 PM
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The difference is that one term was created after women started getting experience in the workfield in real life and were patronised by men, the others are terms invented within an autistic circlejerk by guys with very limited experience with women (being in the 80%, as they say).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:02 PM
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That is right. The left, or the 'brocialists' as I like to call them, are actually much more misogynists than the Tories. In any case, I hope bloody Jess Philips never becomes Prime Minister. Ever. That being said, the right here is nothing like the Republicans. When was the last time you heard a Tory give a speech about how Hod intended a rape to happen and so the victim ought to be forced to deliver the baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:53 PM
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I mean, most Red Pill guys are not even high quality enough to spin lots of attractive plates. Many men have very limited options. They may secretly dislike a woman's past, but they marry who agrees to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:50 PM
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The issue here seems to be he was very patronising towards May, like he did not see her as capable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:48 PM
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No, if the man is patronising towards them because they are women, he needs to be fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:47 PM
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Do we live in the same country? Feminism is very much part of the mainstream, as I showed with the examples regarding May. Today, the Times featured various articles about misogyny in relation to maternity leave, and yesterday the Financial Times featured an article about the wage gap. Various MPs identify as feminists and campaign for feminist issues. All the possible anti-misogyny laws are in place. Here feminists are not represented by one specific party because even most right-wing Tories su…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:46 PM
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Figuratively, he did. He was patronising, talked over her and did not take the views of women in top government jobs into account. He's too posh and too British to say stfu.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:41 PM
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It is disingenuous to think that there was not an element of 'let's fight feminism' in Trump's election. Literally every Manosphere sub was celebrating his victory, and three quarters of the Red Pill members make it clear they'd get on their knees and worship The Tangerine Cock any day for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:39 PM
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Would you tell your very senior white male boss to stfu if he was wrong, assuming you planned to keep the job afterwards? No. Yet this guy thought he could freely get away with patronising his female boss, and here are the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:33 PM
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Yeah well, telling Theresa May to stfu seems to be very bad career advice according to the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:30 PM
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I thought I did, then saw I didn't, and now I have added it. Sorry, my mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:26 PM
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No. Writing reveals more about the current mental state of a person than shifty eyes. Especially the writing of a man about such a subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 11:23 PM
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I am not autistic. That is how I perceive social cues from that article.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 11:04 PM
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You do not understand. When you take a whole gender and make sweeping assumptions about how they ought to live their lives based on what little men understand about them and their biology, you are reducing them to caricatures. The feelings of the woman who dreams of being an astronaut, a writer, or whatever are forgotten. The pain of the woman who does not want to marry is dismissed. The disgust of the tomboy who does not want any jewels at all is unregistered. The fears of the young ambitious g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 08:49 PM
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He feels that deep feeling of disgust for modern career women. That was made clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 08:42 PM
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Those 4 things treat women as less than humans. Creatures who ought to submit and please a man to get a jewel. That in itself, the desire to repress the free choices women make and relegate them into a caricaturish, two-dimensional role, is oppressive. And hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:58 PM
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Nope. The white female vote was much higher: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/white-women-donald-trump-victory
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:21 PM
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That's what they say. Statistics show Christian women make up about 70% of the women who get abortions. They will not say it to your face, of course..
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:20 PM
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It is obvious that your knowledge of the voting statistics broken down by demographics is as deficient as that of English punctuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:59 PM
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They would not vote for him if he started taking away women's reproductive rights, no. Lots and lots of even Christian women get abortions all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:58 PM
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I am British and not affected anyway, but in any case anything he breaks apart will be put back together by democrats at the next round. Very dangerous to defund PP, because white women earned him the presidency. If they turn against the Tangerine, it is fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:56 PM
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Boohoo how scary. What are you gonna do, force us back into the kitchen led by the Tangerine in Chief? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:16 PM
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The 'opposite' is much rarer. Because men are more violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:37 PM
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Those are things that affect women's lives directly. You are allowed to be as toxic as you like in your mother's basement, but if you go out and shove and yell at a woman, you are interfering in her life. So you get arrested.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:28 PM
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It takes two to tango. She is not the only responsible one. I do not see why the man should not pay a dime. The current system also works fine in terms of balancing things out and leaving him at risk of having to pay child support for 18 years. You are not treating women 'as men'. You are saying men should go away scot-free and leave the woman with the child pay bill. We feminists set things up much better. Control over a woman's sexuality is not a right. Women have, for instance, no control ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:27 PM
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No, the man has had sex too. Tell him not to have sex. If the woman has sex and gets pregnant, she already has to go through the abortion procedure which is painful. He pays. Or he pays child support for the next 18 years. See, we feminists try to give you a little way out (paying just for abortion) and you go into an anti-woman, slut-shaming spree. That's why at the end of the day we do not agree to give you any reproductive control and don't give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:11 PM
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But a woman should not have to go through labour, and since the man does not want to pay for child support, he has to pay for the abortion. There must be no case in which a woman is left with no child support and forced to give birth against her will.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:59 PM
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Because younger women want Alpha Fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:31 PM
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My key is more poetic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:30 PM
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Because if she is low-income and cannot afford an abortion she is stuck with the kid. He must then pay child support. If he does not want to be a father, he must give her the chance not to be a mother. Or he is stuck paying child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:30 PM
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A quick look around the Manosphere will show that plenty of men share those views. P. S. A feminist does not hate men. She hates men who attack her and tell her she should not have a career/abort/have sex the 100 things Manospherians bitch about constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:42 PM
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You could try dating older women who have less options. Go on match. But try to come off as mature, not a kiddo looking for a milf. You'll just be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:41 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:24 PM
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Have a decent career, own at least a flat, date a more mature girl (around 29). My advice would be to not become a stupid beta Bux who marries a jobless woman. If you have your shit together, you should be able to find a woman who also contributes her part.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:21 PM
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I would support him 'opting out' of child support ONLY if he contributes full abortion costs, regardless of whether the woman then still decides to raise the baby on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:18 PM
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I see nothing supremacist about being disgusted by Trump's treatment of women, fighting abortion rights and enforcing pink quotas so women can get ahead in the corporate world. Sorry, that narrative does not work on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:14 PM
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If you want to stop being lazy, get up and just slowly start doing the first thing you need to do. If you feel like giving up when you reach a snag, take your time to resolve the issue, but keep going. The key thing to tell yourself is: 'it does not matter how slow you go, so long as you do not stop,' which is a quote by Conficius. This quote helps because we are so used to our phone worlds happening really quickly in front of our eyes that we think we should be able to do everything quickly. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:12 PM
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No one ought to tell free men what to do, but in exchange men must also not meddle into women's lives and tell them to go back to the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:05 PM
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Yeah no thanks, I'd rather not 'please men and let them but my jewels' instead of having the freedom of making my own choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:03 PM
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Yeah, they just don't get that with how widespread information and education is nowadays, they can't just force illiterate women back in the kitchen by promising to buy their jewels for them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:20 PM
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What would the good point beneath it all be in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:14 PM
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I love how they thought Brexit and Trump were a 'win for men' because to me it looks like women have not become any less 'submissive' since they happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:13 PM
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There should be no limits because you only find out whether a baby is disabled fairly early on, and the woman may decide she does not have what it takes to take on the responsibilities which come from caring for a disabled child.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:08 PM
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I'll take off the 'np' then. I thought it was part if the Reddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:01 PM
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I thought I had to add 'no' to make it work, but perhaps it seems I have put it in the wrong place. Also, I did not add much because I wanted a discussion about the article, not my statements about it, but I will add a summary if necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:55 PM
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Are women liberated in Islam? Or do they have to fear that men will beat them if they step out of line? Feminism and anti-abuse laws are about making men fear the consequences of hitting a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:22 PM
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Women live their lives. They do not exist so that men can feel good about themselves or have their faithful pet at home. That's the point. If a man kills himself, he needed psychological help. Women and their nature ought not to be curtailed, because men are not more valuable than women. Just because they want women to be oppressed so they can keep them faithful, that does not give them a right to do so. There is this belief that women are out there to destroy men witch 'hypergamy' or whatever. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 03:50 AM
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If a man surgeon earns more than a female surgeon, it is a wage gap. They both have the same qualifications. If anything, women are more qualified than many men since they are more likely to go to university. You also keep glorifying working class men. They earn less than any of my fellow middle class female friends, and it is our higher taxes that pay for their NHS treatments when they get pains. Fancy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 03:01 AM
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... Wait a second. Did you just say men earn more? Did you just admit there is a... wage gap? Lmaoooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:57 AM
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What do you think changed things? Is it mainly about building concentration stamina and diligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:54 AM
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The same amount according on their earnings? I am afraid I am unaware I could get a special discount on my taxes compared to my male counterparts who earn the same as me just because I am a woman. You are opening up a wondrous world of opportunities to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:51 AM
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That is because feminism is another word for civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:49 AM
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Again, you think these men picking up trash are in the same higher tax bracket as I am, with their meagre earnings? What a wonderful world you live in, in which we women do not pay taxes that fund the NHS lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:48 AM
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Wow, I wish I lived in this magical fairy land in which all is taken away from men and given to me. In my reality, I work and build my career whilst deadbeat working class men bitch about women and immigration. Guess which one of us pays more taxes ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:39 AM
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The men doing those jobs in the UK are A. mainly immigrants, and it was us pro-EU feminists who campaigned for their rights. B. paid to do it. They don't work to spoil women, but to pay the bills. They deserve zero further glorification from the government or women or anyone. Most non-immigrant men work cushy office jobs. Were those given to them by the Daddy Government too? Should they also be told to bow to the man picking up the trash? I don't think so. And LOL at the supposed lack of qualifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:29 AM
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You highlighted the key point out there: you say the power should be given to other men instead of the government so that they can shame the guy who beats his wife. The point is, this given power to men over women. Women are then dependent on men in their group for protection, and need to ingratiate themselves to them to not get beaten by a potential abuser. Maybe they might even need to sleep with them, if that is the request. When instead abusers are charged by the law, and the one who comes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:07 AM
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It would be, if men reported the assault. They don't, that's the problem. If there was a big movement of men campaigning to have their assaulters jailed, there would be many more arrests. That being said, here in the UK my boyfriend had a guy who pulled out a knife on him and tried to rob him arrested, so there you go. The civilised West.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:47 AM
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Fixating on 'partially decriminalises' is straw manning. A civil offence is not heavily punished. A man who beats his wife should be locked up and the key should be thrown away, that's what we do here in the civilised West. As for 'creating a culture against violence', Russia is doing great by telling women they ought to be proud of their bruises, right? Also, even though it is true that some men beat when they are drunk with little care for the consequences, many are also tempted to do so if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:44 AM
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But the studies I showed also say IQ increases with intellectual exercise, which is found to be the main reason behind success. So the high IQ they talk about might not be 'natural', but a result of grit, as explained in the research I have listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:26 AM
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Seeing as men are prober to violence and more physically strong and aggressive, do you really think this is not going to affect primarily women? As a matter of fact, I did do my research, and what I found is that newspapers are apparently actively promoting wife-beating: https://www.np.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-newspaper-proud-bruises-vladimir-putin-domestic-abuse-violence-signs-controversial-law-a7570351.html%3Famp Couple this with the crap economy... I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:23 AM
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Find yourself a fat female friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:12 AM
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How is it going in Russia now that it's legal to beat your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:11 AM
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This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:58 AM
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Those mixtures happened long ago, nowadays they are inbred as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:58 AM
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Which it is. It's pure bullshit. It would just make prices go up, all would adjust accordingly and we'd be back to square one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:51 AM
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I completely agree that members of the military tend to kill themselves after a trauma and finding out your wife has cheated could be a triggering cause. But then again, you think a cheating husband whose wife killed herself would not try to do anything to protect himself in court? That is just human nature. Also, I agree that false rape accusations should be looked into, but the point is that false rape accusations are not that many, and that is why they do not get as much attention. If anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:51 AM
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And now that they, the workers, are to be stripped of their EU workers' rights and all the power will go back to The Lord elite, things will certainly improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:43 AM
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That it is possible to be Red Pill and adorable irl. Strange though it sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:06 AM
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Yeah, one which the Red Pill Brexit edgelords rejected. I am happy to see how they are going to make Britain gray again now. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:05 AM
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I do not rejoice at the deaths of men. Now come again, what is the actual main suicide cause? This post is sooooo messy. It isn't the 'cheating wives'? It's 'transition'? The fuck were they, transexuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:04 AM
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To be honest with you, most of the real life adorable men I have met would throw in the 'I can't be gay, can't fuck something I respect' joke at times. This has convinced me that a lot of the Red Pill edgelords must actually be super white knights irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 12:02 AM
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Germany trains its working class people to manufacture quality electronic gear parts in factories. You would be surprised by how many of those jobs can be filled by working class people. So no, there are things to produce, only the UK and USA don't manufacture jack shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:40 PM
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These threads always remind me of the 'I am not racist, I have black friends!' meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:28 PM
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Being tired is not an excuse for cat calling women on the way home, or slapping your working class gf because you easily lose patience. In any case, globalisation works in certain countries who train their local workforce and specialise in quality production as opposed to low-quality one (China can't be beaten in that regard). I am talking of Germany, for instance. What has destroyed America and the UK is de-industrialisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:26 PM
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I know this is already giving you too much attention but... source? Or has the Tyranny hidden these stats from the common anti-establishment man to better manipulate him into submission to the Feminist Imperative lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:23 PM
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If you want facts, you look at research, not 'patterns'. And by the way research supports what you are saying: https://www.np.google.co.uk/amp/amp.livescience.com/28237-women-on-pill-prefer-less-masculine-men.html
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:18 PM
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A day of work? I thought working class men voted Trump/Brexit because they are not acquainted with such a thing anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:17 PM
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Yes, but there are also IUDs which have no hormones. They work nonetheless because the slow release of copper kills sperm and eggs. They are just as effective. I have always been extremely suspicious of hormonal birth control methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:15 PM
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Yeeeah sure all women are on welfare and the refugees were invited in by the Globalist Tyranny trying to dismantle the West. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:13 PM
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Yes, this is very true. Also, working class men tend to be more sexist, and educated women won't tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:12 PM
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IUDs are not all hormonal. Copper IUDs like mine are just made of copper which kills both sperm and eggs. But it is true that the pill powers a woman's libido, yes. Hence why I have never taken it. I think the more estrogen is pumped into the body, the more a woman is disgusted by excessive testosterone. That could be part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:11 PM
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Interestingly, I have noticed that Red Pillers tend to be working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:03 PM
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There are also female MENSA members. Still, neither group is likely to be successful based on that. Men also have higher IQ variations among them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:59 PM
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I was referring to high IQ too. It does not mean anything in terms of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:56 PM
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No, there aren't. Not in significant numbers. And those who exist tend to be virgins by choice (high standards).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:47 PM
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But that's my point. They are saying 'decreasing IQ is destroying society', but there is no basis to support that the high achievers who drive society on are high IQ. As for the votes, the only things on the Red Pill that get massive upvotes are Daily Mail articles about divorce rape and 'rapefugee' assault cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:43 PM
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Autists can have extremely high IQs too (and most of those are men too). Does not make those men successful. They can be and are constantly beaten by a more dogged, persevering and in some cases even more socially apt male or female counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:38 PM
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I have no doubt this is true. It has been studied. Good concentration skills can be developed, but are the hardest part imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:35 PM
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Right, here are the links, names and quotes. https://hbr.np.org/2007/07/the-making-of-an-expert http://news.np.softpedia.com/news/Being-A-Genius-is-Due-to-Hard-Work-not-High-IQ-52170.shtml A quote: 'There are international chess masters with below-average IQ.' The above researches have been carried out by Anders Ericsson. The name of the other book is 'Mindset', the author is research psychologist Carol Dweck. Thirdly, this is the TED talk about grit from another research scientist affiliated to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:34 PM
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It's absolutely ridiculous. Many STEM students have been studied in the research I have linked. The IQs of the most successful was A. average. B. subject to increase with intellectual exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:21 PM
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Edited to include links to many Red Pill posts bringing up IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:12 PM
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I have edited the post to add a list of some of the countless Red Pill posts about IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:12 PM
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I have now linked some of the countless Red Pill posts about IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:11 PM
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Greece had no viable economy anyway, all other countries are doing far better. As for the 'Muslim invasion', Germany currently enjoys an incredible economic growth (reports from a couple of months ago). Clearly the invaders haven't stopped them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:02 PM
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Yeeeeah not being slut-shamed by society and getting my financial independence is total supremacy. It's what men have always had, though. Also, the 'decline' is not happening, no matter what the conspiracy theorist omegas tweet about Muslim invasions from their mother's basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 10:01 PM
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The other countries who are part of a 500 million group which trades without tariffs you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:53 PM
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We are going a long way back if we are bringing up the wife beater strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:52 PM
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Have you seen how well Germany is performing? Keep up your conspiracy theories, we people who like facts and reality will just have a laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:32 PM
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Poor people are uneducated, but not necessarily stupid. They can be trained to be productive members of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:30 PM
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This is one reason why freedom of movement exists, by the way. And you guys in Germany are doing great.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:29 PM
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In short, you have summed up why feminism and Sweden are fucking great for us women. Hell, I love living in the 21st century.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:19 PM
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I wonder what kind of deadbeat guys you must refer to. The majority of men do get to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:16 PM
4

This is still a very small inconvenience compared to the great benefit that is having women feel safer during sex and not get harassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:14 PM
5

Americans are facially attractive because they are very mixed. They are combinations of Irish, Dutch, Italian, Scottish, sometimes a dash of Native American, what have you. In that regard, they are the opposite of the English.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:12 PM
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These are the guys who claim 'things were better' during the patriarchy. They weren't. Dead bedrooms back then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:10 PM
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Thank you! Here in the UK being a deadbeat woman who makes no money and expects a man to provide is just something that does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 09:09 PM
1

I do not think those would be my ideal types of men, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 02:38 PM
2

Yes, I agree with this. But in a way, if you withhold sex you can screen the men who are looking for a casual relationship, by eliminating those who ask for sex straight away.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 02:15 AM
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What on earth is a benevolent sexist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 12:38 AM
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In the UK yes, although not in Ireland. I am still shocked by how much it is still a debated issue in the USA. Here in Britain even most conservatives support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 11:56 PM
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Most women do know that the best way to get a relationship is to withhold sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 11:51 PM
1

And he is a liberal who supports abortion. Very hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 11:50 PM
1

'A media figure who isn't dishonest.' 'Whether she believes what she says or not is up for debate.' Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 10:32 PM
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I have never understood what Sarkeesian said that is outrageous. Women are unjustly sexualised in video games, she showed the frigging pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 08:20 PM
2

The baby does not need the mother to breastfeed it to survive. If she does not want to do it, there are baby bottles. And in the past there were baby nurses who made a profession out of doing feeding babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 08:07 PM
1

What? She's in her 50s, she's in great shape, has nice hair and good skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 05:49 PM
3

So basically a post-wall cat lady is 'bitter' only if she looks unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 05:38 PM
1

Honouring one's views consistently, for instance. If you believe unmarried childless women are 'bitter' because that is not a lifestyle they are 'programmed for', then the same should apply to the anti-feminist woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 05:37 PM
3

But the point is, many feminists who complain about specific issues (like abortion) are not 'bitter' either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 05:05 PM
6

You remember incorrectly. Proof or it did not happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 05:04 PM
2

Okay, that makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:43 PM
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The appearance is definitely part of it, but you forget that women's sexuality is different and it really, really does not rely 100% on looks. If it did, Hitler would not have had his Nazi groupies. He looked like Super Mario. Trudeau has both looks and a certain flair to him. And he is, to use the Red Pill phraseology, a 'good alpha'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:40 PM
2

Okay, so if we followed the rules of the Manosphere to the letter, shouldn't single people also be denied custody of orphans? Shouldn't orphans only be adopted by married couples?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:38 PM
1

Yes, I think so too, but still it is quite amazing to see a childfree unmarried older woman gaining so much support from the conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:28 PM
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No, I get that it is not part of the 'single mothers of welfare' complaint, but it is part of the 'kids who do not have a father figure grow up badly' complaint, which is different but related, and definitely widespread on the Manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:25 PM
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I would hazard a guess at it being because women are less physically strong than men and get pregnant. Even if they earn their money and get contraceptives, something instinctual tells them to go for the guy who seems protective of women. On a related note, a lot of women have a crush on Trudeau, who is not at all a 'bad boy', but rather a very humble, very 'chivalrous' man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:23 PM
1

Yes it is, because these children are not going to have a father figure, and the Manosphere keeps saying that that's the reason why the male children of single mothers grow up to be 'betas' and the girls grow up to be 'sluts'. A huge part of the criticism towards single moms is that the lack of a father figure is damaging for the children and diminishes the role of men in family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:18 PM
2

But there is a desire to gain the approval of women within it. All the Red Pill techniques are based upon the notion that if men 'acted more Alpha' women would like them better and not divorce them, complain about them, cheat on them etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:16 PM
2

So if she was thin and blonde and disagreed with men, would that turn her into a bitter cat lady overnight?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:06 PM
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Yes, that is the presumption. And yet how come that when the tables are turned and Ann Coulter rants about single mothers they do not say 'she is probably angry because she has no children to love'?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:05 PM
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Maybe because they remember what it was like to be cat called? Maybe because they do care about young women who get pregnant easily and want to give them a choice? If they were truly embittered, they would not want these young women to have a choice, they would want them to be harassed and to be forced to destroy their bodies with pregnancies they do not want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:02 PM
1

Thank you for saying that. Sometimes the MGTOWs say that is not true and that men can go their own way and women cannot 'because they need to operate within the group'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:58 PM
2

Well, because you would not care about the approval of an ugly woman, right? But an attractive woman approving of your POV bolsters your credentials, because it means your POV is something that gains you status in the eyes of an attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:29 PM
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But the point is, many feminists do say that there are good men. They just highlight the patterns of some men who are immature. Yet if they say anything against any men, they are accused of being 'bitter'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:18 PM
1

How is it coherent and honourable to slam single mothers and claim their kids have no proper father figure, yet support Ann Coulter's decision to single-handedly adopt two Swedish kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:15 PM
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But why is it assumed that if a woman protests things like sexism in the workplace etc. she must be 'bitter about men'?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:12 PM
2

This does not make much sense to me because even the feminists who do not have kids and have a successful career are slammed and believed not to be happy 'because women are social creatures'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:11 PM
2

But that is not the entirety of the criticism directed at single mothers. The argument of the 'lack of a father figure' is also brought up constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:07 PM
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Nothing, we are having a discussion about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:01 PM
2

So it is all about gaining the approval of an attractive woman. I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:00 PM
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Yeah, so basically she is agreeing with the Red Pill, you mean. Also, aren't you all against single mothers? She herself has spoken out against single mothers, and yet now she is adopting two kids from Sweden despite being unmarried. In theory, you ought to criticise her for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:59 PM
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Very true. The Manosphere is one huge desperate attempts to gain a women's approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:52 PM
2

I bet they banned you. They banned me immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:34 PM
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You know what I dislike? That many third wave feminists talk of 'fat acceptance' by perpetuating the argument that women ought not to conform to beauty standards that please men. That's fine, but my question is, why is it assumed that 'being attractive to men' is the main reason why women ought to eat well and exercise? If we care about the well-being of women, why don't we talk about cholesterol, strain on the knees, increased chance of a heart attack, and the free radicals with which these fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:15 PM
1

I was under the impression that many men were keen on reducing the welfare state?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:59 PM
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The complaints are about the vestiges of the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 12:56 PM
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The point is, they are not. Abortion is still not legal in many countries and in America they keep trying to overturn the law and defund Planned Parenthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 12:48 PM
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No, a child needs someone to take care of it. It does not need the bodily resources of the mother to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 12:47 PM
1

As a matter of fact, automation only means lots of people are going to lose their jobs. Especially blue collar workers. Chronic fatigue syndrome is not extensively widespread, that is a factor to consider as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:45 AM
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Yes, but we need to produce money. If we live in a culture in which it is okay to be lazy, overeat, lounge about etc. we won't be producing much money for taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:41 AM
1

All the policies you suggest (not just in this thread) revolve around giving a lot. Where would all the money come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:32 AM
2

There are many people who would rather die than be kept alive that way. Without legal euthanasia, they have no right to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:06 AM
2

Personhood begins when the child is no longer dependent on the body of the mother to survive. The well-being of the mother always comes first. I might have made the person drink excessively or even kicked them, I still will not be made to give up my organs. In reality, anyway, the truth is that both men and women enjoy sex and it's a part of life. A foetus is inferior to the woman, so if she does not want it, it dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 02:05 AM
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But once again, you are giving the rights of a person to a foetus, a parasite. Another comparison would be that another person needs my liver or he/she will die. It is my fault that I have good organs because I live healthily (just like getting pregnant is my fault for having sex). Am I forced to give up my organs because of this? No. Same logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:59 AM
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Because it does not in any way make sense for me to take me in. They can sue me for burning their house. A foetus, being just a parasite, cannot do the same. I support euthanasia, to answer your other question. If I get in that state, I wish to be killed immediately. I can write a will and specify this. A foetus can't, because it is just a parasite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:48 AM
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I do not have to do this, though. That's the key point. Also, this is an old argument, but we are not talking of people here. We are talking of what is by definition a parasite using my bodily resources. That's why I am entitled to destroy it at will.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:42 AM
1

It is not the best day to get or start a LTR, if you want one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:38 AM
1

This.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:35 AM
1

I do not doubt that you and I will have a different perspective on this because we frequent very different social circles...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:34 AM
2

Who the hell cares about the embryo's needs? As you said, it is an embryo which needs the woman's body to survive. If someone needs my house to survive, I am the one who chooses whether or not to allow them in. I also get to choose whether to kick them out or not, depending on how they behave. Same thing goes for a foetus. So long as it needs me to survive, I am the one who decides whether or not it gets to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:25 AM
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I wish I could upvote this 100 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:22 AM
6

The problem for most men is that beggars can't be choosers. They can't say no to the only girl who says yes to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:55 PM
0

Really? Because then the majority of men in the West were insane during the patriarchy. They did everything from cutting women's hair and locking them up in convents to surgically remove their uterus if they were 'hysterical' and making them social outcasts at times forced to prostitute themselves to survive if they had sex before marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:54 PM
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It relates because what I am saying is that men - most normal men at least - do not have an innate desire to restrict/deny female sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:42 PM
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See, I always knew being a plain jane would pay off someday, one way or another ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:38 PM
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Well, the only way to find out if for one of them to try this simple game. It is so simple to do that no one has ever tried it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:31 PM
1

You know why most men nowadays are not in touch with their testosterone? It isn't because of the Red Pill, it is because they are fat. Fat raises their estrogen level, making them soft, babyish and unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:28 PM
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As a feminist I have to admit that there are some female lunatics on the far left who have gone as far as to excuse FGM on the basis that 'we must accept different cultures with their different practices'. I will admit that the most vehemently outraged, anti-FGM people I have met were all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:26 PM
1

I would admire the man who spent that much restaurant money on me, answered to every message as expected, gave me full attention, remembered what I said on each date, introduced me to his friends as his girlfriend, just to eventually pump and dump me. I'd give him a huge high five. Never met one who did this 'easy misleading' though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:23 PM
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Most of the men I have been with and also spoken to about sex were very concerned about female sexual pleasure. I do not think the idea that men on average are not interested in their partner's pleasure is true at all. There exists however a rather repellent subset of men who demand 'sexpics' and have certain kinks, and if the woman refuses to give both, they will try to shame her for it. So they try to shame women who do not comply with their sexual demands. In my case, it did not work. I hope …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:14 PM
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I would lose all sexual attraction towards a man if I learned he believes his every ejaculation ought to, in the right circumstances, be entitled to a name. The idea of sleeping with a man who'd force me to have his baby against my will if it was up to him disgusts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 11:11 PM
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I have seen Red Pill men with ridiculous 'she must be a young beautiful virgin who can cook and makes me her first priority' standards as well. Hello pot, kettle, pitch black.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 10:26 PM
1

Well, thank you for your kind input. I will just stay here for a little longer and see how things develop :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 10:19 PM
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I guess in general being Blue Pill is about not being embittered like Red Pillers and having a positive outlook. Most of the Reds (including the women) I have talked to inspired nothing but pity to me. They are all so jaded, so bitter, so cynical. Not a single one of them seemed genuinely happy. We are talking about a group of people whose slogan is 'enjoy the decline,' which is basically their own version of 'hello darkness, my old friend'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 10:18 PM
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The point is, feminists want women to have options. Men keep saying they do not have options and have obligations, but they have traditionally had much more freedom than women. Traditionally, women could not choose to be a scientist or a SAHM, because they could not access universities. So feminist is not about telling them exactly what to do, it is about giving them choices. In any case, people who advocate for lifestyles they do not live exist on the right as well. Ann Coulter is an unmarried,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 10:14 PM
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I wonder whether the 'thin' part is biological or cultural. In Africa, women are expected to be very fat to be seen as beautiful. All women in Renaissance paintings were also quite chubby. Is it a modern preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 09:48 PM
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This is so true. I put way much more effort in my looks if I am going out with women instead of men. They are so much more judgemental.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 09:45 PM
1

I have been living in Edinburgh since September and used to live in Bristol, which I liked much more. My boyfriend is a bit older (32, I'm 24), works in a bank here (so he can't just leave) and has bought his flat here and is paying the mortgage (ditto) and spent his whole life in Scotland, loves being here, supports Celtic and his whole family is in Glasgow and we visit his parents constantly (like I said). He is not going anywhere. Leaving means leaving him, and he is an almost perfect man. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 09:12 PM
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This is so true. But then again, the man who stands up for himself without being bad is what I mean when I say 'good man'. I just assume the clingy needy guys to be invisible anyway (go on, Reds, say the word xxx).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:52 PM
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