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Thanks, I just started a thread on there: http://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/1v734k/how_freedom_of_speech_figures_into_the_feminism/
/r/MensRights14/01/14 03:58 PM
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I understand your point, GuitarsAreKindaCool, and I apologize if it seemed as though I was trolling. The sad truth about the Men's Rights Movement is that it has an image problem. Worse than feminism. To be sure, feminism's image in popular culture has taken a heavy beating in recent years, too, without question, but people still associate "feminism" with "gender equality," which is of course inconsistent with the modern incarnation of the movement (it may have been consistent with first-wave fe…
/r/MensRights13/01/14 07:44 PM
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I don't know...I watched it a few times, like five or six times, and the whole thing just started making a lot of sense to me. Like, who is the bad person usually, the man or the woman? Most women are really nice, even feminists.
/r/MensRights13/01/14 06:59 PM
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I mean, it's just that, men who care about men's issues are really just sulking because they're not getting laid, I think. I mean I think the ice cream dispenser is intended to represent a penis.
/r/MensRights13/01/14 06:32 PM
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From men. :(
/r/MensRights13/01/14 06:07 PM
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I think it merits some discussion. The points raised here.
/r/MensRights13/01/14 06:07 PM
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This is an excellent and illuminating read. It also answered a lot of my questions about what is going on there at Yale. I wish articles like this could infiltrate the mainstream discourse about gender studies. It is not a minor point that Yale's loose definition of "nonconsensual sex" trivializes instances of actual rape and sexual assault on campuses.
/r/MensRights12/09/13 12:58 PM
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I think censorship should mean government censorship (for obvious reasons). Even if you take wikipedia's definition of censorship as being done by "government, media outlet or other controlling body," I would be hesitant to apply the concept here. If a frat house wanted to exclude women or if a religious body wanted to exclude women, I don't see a problem with that, frankly. Just like here, if a company wants to exclude the perspectives of MRAs, so be it. It's their choice. Media outlets can cen…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 02:43 PM
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yeah, this is probably not her problem.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 03:24 PM
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I wonder if they'll start banning men for "looking funny" next. Wouldn't be surprised if some of you boys look a lil "squirrely" to begin with, if you know what I mean (in a non-threatening, non-creepy, fun-loving sort of way, of course, wink wink). Seriously, why not also ban men who smell bad? Ban men with bad teeth? Ban men who are not educated? Ban men who don't dress or look like "feminists" should? You see where I'm going with this: the only men who aren't "ban worthy" are the men who are …
/r/MensRights29/08/13 02:52 PM
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Interesting article. I think for every man who is unwilling to acknowledge his character flaws, there is a woman pathologically unable to take responsibility for her behavior. A myopic sense of self-righteousness isn't specific to a person's gender, unfortunately, especially in a culture that consistently rewards the blaming of others and penalizes the admission of guilt.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:21 AM
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Your point is well taken. The MRM should not be labeled as a hate group, mainly because of the diverse number of opinions you will find within it, from gender egalitarianism to evolutionary determinism to libertarianism and atheism.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:12 AM
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That could be because there are more disgruntled young men on reddit. Try taking a headcount of self-identified feminists to MRA's in the general population. Lol
/r/MensRights29/08/13 12:16 AM
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And why not draw attention to this. It isn't being "misogynistic" just to point it out, is it? Jesus christ. Lol
/r/MensRights29/08/13 12:14 AM
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Birth control pills are potentially problematic for other reasons, too. For example, try asking a pharmacist about the effect of the so-called "morning after" pill on a woman's long-term fertility. I'm not saying the solution is to ban birth control pills, either, but it's far from a panacea for women.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 12:11 AM
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You raise an excellent point. I think that an honest discussion of men's issues within the feminist movement will start an all-out war similar to the Feminist Sex Wars of the early 80s over pornography. This time, however, it will be even more heated, and it will create a sharp divide within the movement (as did the Feminist Sex Wars), which is not necessarily a bad thing. It would be a GOOD thing.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 04:55 PM
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I would be interested.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 02:40 PM
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I just want to point out that hers is a sex-negative, anti-pornography feminist perspective that is in the minority among feminists today. Most feminists identify as sex-positive feminists (although many of these sex-positive feminists would also have it both ways--which is not necessarily a bad thing, either, but is reflective of the inherently problematic nature of any honest discussion of pornography). I have nothing against this young woman speaking her mind (it's good for her to air these c…
/r/MensRights26/08/13 02:23 PM
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Maybe I'm just naive, but I really believe that if I sat down with a group of feminists and had the opportunity to explain my interest in the MRM (plainly and respectfully), I have a feeling that they'd be very surprised by what they find. They'd probably expect me to be spouting anachronistic BS about women "needing to know their place in the kitchen," etc., but they'd find someone who is surprisingly well-versed in feminist ideology, who is able to draw upon personal experiences to make cogent…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 03:35 PM
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YEs, it is a very interesting question. One thing that fascinates me, why is it that gender stuff has come to such a head in Canada, as though it's the focal point of this debate? There just doesn't seem to be as much activism (on either side) here in the United States, but maybe I'm just missing something? Edit: I'd love to debate these topics with a feminist or an MRA or attend a discussion or forum in my area, but there doesn't seem to be anything like this at all.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:50 PM
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Honestly, I could understand why you'd be wary of the introduction of "racial and ethnic" contexts to what is primarily a discussion of gender, especially given the way that intersectionality theory has been used to marginalize the perspective of minorities (as evidenced by the necessity of the SolidaryIsForWhiteWomen hashtag in the first place). However, the truth is that we haven't had a discussion of race in this country in decades. Do you really think that Al Sharpton represents the African …
/r/MensRights24/08/13 12:33 PM
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:-)
/r/MensRights24/08/13 11:59 AM
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Like I said before, it's just a matter of time before feminism co-opts much of the MRM platform when it's ready to do so (i.e., when "society," writ large, deems it acceptable to acknowledge gender issues affecting men and boys). Then it'll be heralded as a momentous, unprecedented development, replete with a glossy Feminist sheen and a footnote on the misguided misogyny of the MRM. I don't want this to happen, not because I'm not a feminist (I am), but because I don't think that the feminist mo…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 11:57 AM
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So what are you saying, then, that it's not irresponsible to compare feminism to Stormfront but it is to compare the MRM to Stormfront? I was playing on your analogy.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 11:49 AM
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Well honestly I'd have to do more research before coming to a firmer conclusion on this topic.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 05:41 AM
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But what if, to the general public, you're Stormfront and the NAACP is feminism? Does that make a difference in your calculus? Is it responsible for "Stormfront" to represent the voice of feminists like me within the MRM? Moreover, is it responsible for the mainstream media to present Stormfront as the "voice" of the MRM when it's just one voice among many? The only (obvious) purpose of interviewing AVFM is to do a solid hatchet job of the MRM, which they will do (with or without your help). The…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 05:24 AM
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Almost everyone is aware of the feminism that they think they know, the feminism they like, but the lay person (unfortunately) is just not going to be aware of the shortcomings of the modern feminist movement without doing a bit of research first. Frankly, they're not going to just "take your word" for it (and they shouldn't). To believe you, they're going to have to investigate it themselves. Moreover, the cognitive dissonance they experience when their "idea" of feminism is challenged is not g…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 05:08 AM
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Personally, I think what's missing is a voice for feminism within the AVFM. I know it sounds rather paradoxical, but you can't take on a flawed ideology like Feminism without acknowledging the strongest case to be made for it, and I don't think that AVFM has succeeded in doing so.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 04:23 AM
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The thing is, if the feminists were more inclusive of diverse perspectives (such as the perspective of PEOPLE who are minorities (men, women, etc.), you'd start to find a NOTICEABLE CHANGE in the ideology and the rhetoric. Suddenly the problems worth complaining about wouldn't be the problems deemed important by upper class white women. The problems would include the problems of working class women, the problems of mothers, the problems of elderly women, the problems of incarcerated women, the p…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 03:57 AM
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Can I ask a serious question? Why does it seem for some reason that Canada, Australia, and the UK are the "battlegrounds" for this kind of thing and not the United States? Am I missing something here? Are we behind the curve or ahead of the curve or neither?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 03:42 AM
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Your point is an interesting one and certainly worth considering. The problem I see with your reasoning, however, is that by pigeonholing the MRM as a hate movement, people might be dissuaded from researching the MRM independently, e.g., "I've seen enough of this hate-filled rhetoric, I've lost all interest in this BS," just like many lay people are so turned off by feminism that they won't even bother to inquire what they like (or don't like) about it.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 03:29 AM
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I don't know, if someone is struggling with a subject, it doesn't necessarily mean the person should quit, either. I'm sure some of the greatest artists have struggled with learning how to paint, how to draw. Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the greatest mathematicians and scientists have struggled with learning their craft. I think the field of computer science would be informed by diverse perspectives (if they don't already exist in the field today), and this includes integrating …
/r/MensRights24/08/13 03:20 AM
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I don't know whether I agree with this woman's opinion, but it's an interesting point of view nonetheless. The first question that comes to my mind is whether women have the financial means necessary to pay for higher insurance premiums and whether this would be a good thing for our society or a bad thing. MY instincts tell me that this would probably be a bad thing. It certainly wouldn't improve the health of men. It might negatively impact the health of women.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 03:00 AM
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Your point is well taken. Fair enough.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:57 AM
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Thank you for posting this! This is an illuminating read.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:57 AM
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If they agree, they certainly have a funny way of showing it (I'm referring to ACTION, not words).
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:54 AM
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Well, point taken. If it's an attention-seeking antic, I feel bad for the woman (and the men) in that scenario...no shaming needed. Perhaps the person needs to speak to someone (a friend, a counselor, etc.), just like a man acting like a drunken ass at a bar. Chances are, the man has a problem. I don't think that shaming him or humiliating him is the answer (unless his conduct rises to the level of being actionable). If you care about people like this, show you care by doing the responsible thin…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:52 AM
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I quibble with the use of the word "misandry" to explain or address these statistics.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:41 AM
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I wish there were a socially acceptable way of being critical of certain tenets of mainstream feminism while not being perceived as misogynistic or "anti-woman." But this just isn't possible. We've created yet another false dichotomy, just like it's impossible to be pro-Palestinian without also being perceived as anti-Semitic. We live in a very dysfunctional society.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:35 AM
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Call me a traditionalist, but I believe that circumcision is a choice parents have the right to make for their sons (for religious reasons or otherwise).
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:32 AM
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I agree with you. If someone needs to use a restroom, man or woman, I say just let them use it rather than risk an accident. I'm sure most women would prefer not to use a men's restroom if given the chance. I don't see this as an issue to lose sleep over.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:30 AM
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Forget about "incompetent men." Incompetent people. There are very few jobs in this economy that are truly "merit based."
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:24 AM
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I give my seat to elderly people or to a woman (or person) that really needs my seat on a train or bus. However, I don't do it because it's the gentlemanly thing to do, because I'm being courteous, or because of some "obligation" that I feel as a man. I do it because I think it's the humane thing to do. Would this woman give her seat to an elderly woman or to an obese women if they needed to sit down? Would this woman even care? What about an elderly man?
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:22 AM
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The problem is, if this were a man doing something like this to fat women, it would only be published to mock and shame him.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:18 AM
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Both women of color and white feminists have been discussed in sweeping generalizations as if all white feminists are racist and all feminists of color are ready to turn their backs on feminism. "As if all white feminists are racist..." Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. The SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen hashtag is the BEST thing that's happened to the feminist movement in recent memory. White feminism is racist. The race apologia in this piece is absolutely revolting.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:17 AM
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Last I checked, blackmail online is only a problem for women, not for men, right? When it happens to women, it's exploitation. When it happens to men, it's justified. The hypocrisy makes me sick to my stomach.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:11 AM
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I just want to go out on a limb here and say, for the record, that the sudden, meteoric promotion of AVFM as the titular mouthpiece of the MRM is intentional and malicious: make no mistake about it, this is going to be an ugly hatchet job. By the time the mainstream media is done excoriating and exposing AVFM for what it is, this whole movement will be stigmatized beyond the point of repair. Fuck it, though. This is our society. We're not capable of discussing things in a nuanced manner. It's ea…
/r/MensRights24/08/13 02:07 AM
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We should care because this is the incarnation, the quintessence even, of modern-day feminism. It's a lost cause from start to finish. It's not much different from men laughing at fat woman.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 01:59 AM
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I understand your perspective completely, and I'm not saying that a case couldn't be made that men are as disadvantaged by patriarchal society as women are. However, when it comes down to it, I believe (and admittedly I don't have empirical data to back up my claim, but it's a hunch informed by my life experience) that women (on average) take themselves far less seriously than men do. Women are primed from a young age to continuously question the way that they look, the way that other women look…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:20 PM
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The time to react will be in ten years from now when the feminist movement belatedly attempts to "steal" men's issues from those "misogynistic" MRAs... "Oh, let's talk about the education system and its impact on the male gender role..." (After it becomes an issue too big for them to ignore). The thing is, they're only allowed to bring it up on THEIR time, when it's IMPOSSIBLE not to acknowledge it.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:39 PM
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I'm a MGTOW, and I don't blame you one bit. I think you shouldn't.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:35 PM
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Excellent questions! My definition of "patriarchal society" is distinct from the feminist definition of "patriarchy." Even the term "patriarchal society" is potentially problematic. Why? Because I think patriarchal society disadvantages women AND men (although I still maintain that it hurts women more than it hurts men, hence women being "oppressed by" patriarchal society and men just being "affected" by it). I think that the concept of male privilege is accurate and that it does exist, although…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:59 PM
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Yes, I am referring to the woman who was the topic of the thread. Do you understand? It was a reference to the post: "Honestly, I love her post and I think that her anger and emotions are justified."
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:28 PM
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Here's another example: At the suggestion of my psychologist, I wrote a blog detailing my addiction to a fetish known as "financial domination" in an effort: To help me address an addiction that was destroying my life and To help other men who are addicted to FD and are looking to quit Here is the blog: exposingfinancialdomination.wordpress.com. I was then interviewed by a feminist journalist for an article in Salon.com. The article misrepresented my interview and misrepresented the fetish of Fi…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:24 PM
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No, the "feminist" could be a man offering support to men who have been victimized. (Just like the MRA could be a woman who is offering compassion to women who have been victimized.) Both terms ("Feminist" and "MRA") are gender neutral... Aren't they?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 05:52 PM
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My original e-mail to a prominent feminist journalist on Jezebel (Katie J.M. Baker): http://i.imgur.com/bcOSPnX.png Her public response to my email: http://i.imgur.com/t1nx911.png My reaction: http://i.imgur.com/qfdcoA0.png Any questions?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 05:47 PM
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Excellent suggestion! The next step would be to go on r/mensrights and see how difficult is it to get banned, even when making statements that call into question aspects of the MRM. The difference should be obvious: this is a community that welcomes debate. It's not a "safe" space (I get insulted all the time on here for my views), but it's an honest place and it's a place where you can go to express your views without fear of being censored for expressing alternative viewpoints.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 05:11 PM
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But couldn't this apply to some of the grievances of the MRM too? Just playing devil's advocate here.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:44 PM
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This is another one of those pointed questions that kind of makes me wonder whether feminism is even equipped to responsibly address gender issues anymore.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:30 PM
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Well said! I agree with you.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:28 PM
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I didn't use the term "patriarchy," did I? I think you should upvote my post. :-)
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:26 PM
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As a sympathizer with the (poorly labeled) "men's rights movement," I don't believe that female privilege exists. I do believe, however, that patriarchal society presents challenges to men that are unique to their sex. I also believe that feminism (in the academy and in the blogosphere) is ill-equipped to address these challenges responsibly. The problem is twofold. First, feminism has difficulty acknowledging the unfortunate reality that patriarchal society is supported by women as it is by men…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:18 PM
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Honestly, I love her post and I think that her anger and emotions are justified. As a man who has been abused myself, I empathize with her and can understand her perspective. MRAs shouldn't shy from offering support and compassion to women who have been victimized. If you can't do this, then you shouldn't expect or demand support from feminists for the men like me who have been victimized. There needs to be reciprocity
/r/MensRights23/08/13 12:45 PM
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When will you be interviewed? I have loads of material from personal experience and will be happy to provide it in the form of screenshots, URLs, etc.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 12:37 PM
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yes, agreed...it is a little inconsistent for them to regard sex work as simultaneously "empowering" and exploitative of women. this internal contradiction may also be why they can only refer to sex workers in the abstract, as a homogenous mass, whereas real sex workers, their backgrounds, motivations, and activities, vary enormously.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:20 AM
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I'm sorry, I guess that means that the Feminist Sex Wars ended in a draw.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 05:01 AM
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Because men can text pictures of their junk and women can't. Right.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:55 AM
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This is a great post, the best post that I've read today. Well said!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:50 AM
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I think at this juncture it's important to distinguish between the old "sex-negative" feminism of Andrea Dworkin and the new "sex-positive" feminism. But then again, even the sex-positive feminist movement, as it exists today, would have it both ways... By the way, the ideological inconsistencies are not nearly as disconcerting as the indiscriminate male bashing and shaming that passes for gender advocacy nowadays.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:45 AM
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Feminists have difficulty grasping the (inconvenient) truth that as patriarchal society is bad for society, it is bad for men, too (albeit not as bad as it is for women, but still pretty fucking bad). Acknowledging this truth would require a paradigm shift in the mainstream feminist perspective. Until then, we'll be left with the classic Jezebel line: "Patriarchy is bad for men so....let's empower women! Yay!" First, kind of missing the point that most women live within patriarchal society and s…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:34 AM
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As a self-proclaimed feminist MGTOW, the world sure is a confusing place...
/r/MensRights22/08/13 06:34 PM
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I don't know why I continue arguing with you about this, but as I said before, embedded within the privilege are certain attendant responsibilities. For example, I think that what Dr. Warren Farrell is arguing is that maybe it's better for men to pass on these privileges altogether, and maybe it's better for women not to assert the desire, the privilege even, to work dangerous jobs, longer hours, etc. I call it a privilege because, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, as part of the social…
/r/MensRights22/08/13 02:10 PM
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Not "necessarily"? In other words, your first statement, "bashing is not the same as misogyny," is not "necessarily" true?
/r/MensRights22/08/13 01:54 PM
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The problem is, many would argue they're not really helping women. They are assuaging the guilt of white women of class privilege who take succor in the existence of universal "male privilege," which puts them below men in the abstract. It's a nice little parlour game: all they need is a camisole and some dainty white gloves and a plantation behind them (oh, I forget, they already have one in the form of the women of color they conscript for their "cause," who later complain about their conscrip…
/r/MensRights22/08/13 12:53 PM
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You focus on the responsibility end of it, whereas they would focus on the opportunity end of it. It's not a fair division of labor for either sex, truthfully, but I think it disadvantages women in relation to men (while making men's lives none too pleasant as well).
/r/MensRights22/08/13 12:40 PM
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Male bashing isn't the same thing as misandry? What?
/r/MensRights22/08/13 12:39 PM
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Oh, feminism is still alive? Thanks for the tip! It sure is invisible, except for the random whine from some maleducated product of the elite schools who’s found a plush berth in glossy magazines. Awesome statement.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 02:16 AM
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It was Emile Durkheim who defined suicide as a social act, so what do you think? What alienates men more than the notion that their pain and anguish doesn't even deserve a single voice?
/r/MensRights22/08/13 02:12 AM
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What vile garbage. This is what happens when you have a news organization that has the privilege (yes, I said it) of not having to worry about making a profit.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 02:09 AM
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I don't think anyone on this subreddit is oblivious to the near-constant bashing of women that goes on here.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 02:01 AM
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Except that I'm not attempting to suppress the voice of women of color, like Schwyzer and his complicit white-privileged cronies from Jezebel (they just didn't think that anyone would have the chutzpah to call them on it). Unlike Schwyzer, I celebrate the expression of diverse opinions (some privileged, some not so privileged).
/r/MensRights22/08/13 01:57 AM
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the male privilege takes the form of what you would call "male burdens." It's just two sides to the same coin: with great responsibility comes great power. You moan the responsibility; they envy the power.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 01:52 AM
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The irony is that I'm willing to acknowledge their point of view, and I actually welcome debate (both in this subreddit and in others). What is considered "acknowledging" another person's point of view? Refraining from expressing mine? Suppressing my perspective? It's an interesting choice of words that they're using, isn't it.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 01:51 AM
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I tried my best! That's why I find it so funny that I was banned. It really begs the question: what wouldn't be ban-worthy?
/r/MensRights22/08/13 01:44 AM
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Logical, except if you read my post in its entirety.
/r/MensRights21/08/13 08:51 PM
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Thanks, I tried to be as fair as I could while acknowledging the incontrovertible truth that feminists engage in an almost pathological degree of indiscriminate male bashing.
/r/MensRights21/08/13 08:47 PM
2

Unbelievable. I read your posts. It's insane that they would ban you for that. I don't even think you said anything critical of feminism. This kind of stuff is highly disturbing to me. In a few years, any discussion of "men's issues" is going to be labeled "hate speech" and it will ONLY be possible to discuss the issues of African American males in the context of their RACE, not their gender, even though African American MEN have issues peculiar to their gender that African American WOMEN do not…
/r/MensRights20/08/13 12:54 PM
14

I would love to see the marriage rate plummet even more. We need a few million men "going their own way," and only then will society begin to start asking the pointed questions that they've been ignoring. In my life, I've been shamed and abused far more by woman than I have by men, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 03:58 PM
3

The fact that it's impossible to have a serious debate with a feminist should tell you something.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 03:37 PM
2

As a sympathizer with the MRM, I've always believed that women should be encouraged to dress however they want to dress in public (as should men) without making "moral" judgments as to whether the woman is scantily clad, naked, well dressed, shabbily dressed, etc. There should be no judgment, period. On my part, I think that as men we should just ignore women in public. The more provocatively they dress, the more we should ignore them. I think that if 50% of men turned into MGTOW's, you'd see a …
/r/MensRights19/08/13 03:27 PM
7

Not sure if this is reflective of how /r/feminism operates. If it is, it is a big departure from the way it was operating...only a month or two ago. I was banned from the subreddit almost immediately.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 03:18 PM
4

Unbelievable. No words can describe this.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 03:04 AM
1

Unfortunately, for saying something like that, a Jezebel journalist would label you as a "Nice Guy (TM)," even though there is a lot of truth to what you're saying.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 01:32 PM
1

That "man...hood" academy thing was so freakin' funny.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 01:27 PM
5

Very well put! It's like comparing apples and oranges because men and women have different things to fear from a physical conflict.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 01:25 PM
1

Even as someone who is VERY sympathetic to men's issues, my white-knight "spidey sense" was tingling the entire time I was watching this, and it was difficult for me to assess the situation objectively (because the woman was crying, etc.). It really makes me wonder, what about the many men (and women) that would deny the man's claim, no questions asked? Some troubling questions indeed...
/r/MensRights18/08/13 01:21 PM
1

Sometimes accidents like this happen and while the skater may have been acting negligently (I'm not sure of the level of care that would be warranted here), violence is never the answer.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 01:06 PM
1

This is a sad story.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 01:02 PM
8

That is an incredibly insane (and cheap) argument. Reading it, I thought it was a joke, honestly.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 12:58 PM
1

Junk in my third paragraph...isn't that like what Voltaire said, too? On second thought, forget it.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 12:15 AM
2

I can't even begin to describe to you how unscrupulous the coverage was. And you are right. It verges on being irresponsible.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 04:56 PM
1

Well put.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 04:28 PM
1

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/30/do_it_again_or_i%E2%80%99m_gonna_call_your_wife%E2%80%9D_inside_the_world_of_financial_domination/
/r/MensRights17/08/13 03:13 PM
2

Yeah, exactly. lol
/r/MensRights17/08/13 12:46 PM
6

What is this bullshit? lol
/r/MensRights17/08/13 12:45 PM
1

I agree with you.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 11:48 AM
1

Agreed.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 11:47 AM
0

Ad hominem at the beginning obviously, but more to the point: "feminism wouldn't make that silly argument"? Attacks on comic book tropes featuring the iconic "hero's journey," random attacks on (white) (male) comedians making rape jokes...what do they both have in common? The implication is, "hey, historically, just like African Americans during the segregation movement, (privileged white) women were not ALLOWED to criticize (white) (straight) men doing these things, (white) (straight) men makin…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 11:40 AM
2

This actually reminds me of my horrific experiences in D/s and an idiotic feminist journalist who wrote about it on Salon.com as an example of sex-positive feminism doing something right. She was taken to task in the comments section of her ill-conceived article almost immediately: "Gross picture accompanying gross and depressing story. If this were about men abusing women who signed some contract, ___ would be up in arms." "Wow. The first part of that story was actually funny. The last part, ho…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:29 AM
1

A few days after I posted this, the #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen hashtag came out. About. fucking. time.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:25 AM
1

Well certainly there are perks to being a woman. Maybe this is just a question of semantics, but I'm not sure whether I'd refer to them as "advantages" in the absolute sense of the word, at least not in relation to the perks that men receive (as you said, the perk of men having the things they say taken more seriously, which is a pretty BIG perk when you think about it). But you're right, in an ideal world without gender roles, women and men would share the same perks (or lack thereof).
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:22 AM
0

More to the point, though, here's the feminist narrative (as I understand it): Women are oppressed Male privilege exists (and is a bad thing) We live in a patriarchal society Just look at the people who you aren't allowed to criticize (men)... So, if the guy who "originally" said that was an anti-Semite and he was referring to Jews, does that mean that Feminism is engaged in a form of fascism as well? Just playing devil's advocate here.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:13 AM
1

I think what she's saying is that it's okay to challenge male gender roles but it's crucial to UNDERSTAND that in challenging gender roles, you are also SHAPING new gender roles for men. It's irresponsible to SHAPE gender roles without first: ACKNOWLEDGING that you are doing it (feminists FAIL to acknowledge that women play ANY role in shaping male gender roles, except in a POSITIVE way) And STATING what you would LIKE the "gender role" for men to be...honestly, genuinely. They haven't done this…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:09 AM
2

Thank you for your post. Even though you're not an MRA (I don't identify as an MRA, either), I wish more women like you SPOKE UP in defense of men's ISSUES (not rights, but issues) that receive NO ATTENTION from the mainstream "pop" feminism movement because they are inconvenient/tangential to its agenda. It's time that EVERYONE took a step back and started examining the feminist movement more critically, including its strongest advocates.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:07 AM
2

There is a lot of truth to what you said. I agree with you on almost all of your points. The one thing is, of course, white women should be permitted to discuss the plight of people of color, of homosexuals, etc., but the problem is, what if it is the ONLY voice speaking? And that's what's been going on for too long. Where is the diversity of perspectives?
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:05 AM
2

Agreed but just because there are times when multiple aspects of an individual come together to have a "multiplier effect," it doesn't mean that an African American man's gender role, for example, shouldn't be studied discretely as a matter worthy of analysis in its own right. It's a cop out, in my opinion, to say, "well, since race also affects the discrimination an African American receives in his life, it's pointless to study his gender issues as they relate to him being an African American m…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:03 AM
0

Excellent question and thanks for responding to my post! When I say "male privilege," I actually agree with you: it is a privilege not shared universally, or equally, among all males. Certainly men who are incarcerated, men who are homeless, etc., are not the recipients of any form of "male privilege" (at least, not that I know of). But, having said that, as between a man and a woman who stand EQUAL on all other levels (socioeconomically, age, health, wealth, etc.), the man will receive certain …
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:00 AM
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Basically it's a bunch of women from non-white backgrounds who had enough of privileged white feminists "dictating" the feminist narrative...they created a hashtag. People are really getting sick of white feminism, myself included. Here are some links: http://www.policymic.com/articles/59433/does-feminism-have-a-race-problem-hum-yes http://globalgrind.com/2013/08/14/solidarityisforwhitewoman-but-its-not-just-a-black-white-thing-blog/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/16/what_picketing_taught_me_about…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 04:47 AM
1

Class privileged (mis)behavior might be common across genders and ethnicities, but it doesn't change the fact that wealthy white people basically control politics, control the media, control even sites like Jezebel, Atlantic, NY Times, etc. (I could go on and on). Wealthy white people are responsible for a lot of the "gender wars" and "race wars" of this country, and it's intentional. If wealthy black people or wealthy arab people were responsible for this kind of stuff, i'd call them out just t…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 04:40 AM
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What bothers me the most about feminism is the idea that privileged white women are somehow the moral arbiters of shit, as though their womanhood somehow trumps their class privilege, their white privilege, and all the other privileges they have in their lives. And they have the right, nay, the AUTHORITY even, to speak decisively and knowingly on any topic of their choosing, even subject matters far beyond their ken. It is this hubris, this arrogance, that makes me want the whole racket exposed.…
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:48 PM
1

Are you a mgtow?
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:40 PM
1

You are a crazy man or a troll
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:39 PM
2

I really love the comments to this post. More people need to be aware that there is a movement put there discussing men's issues.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:38 PM
1

Are you familiar with the solidarityisforwhitefeminists hash tag that has taken off this week? It is a BIG step in the right direction, a BIG step.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:31 PM
3

I will give you a longer, more concrete answer when I get home this evening.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:29 PM
1

Thank you so much for posting this more people need to know about this, more people need to talk about it, discuss it, debate it.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:28 PM
1

i am calling them out as people because of what they do, not because of what they have or what they represent.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:35 PM
1

There is a difference between being a "racist" and a misanthrope.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:26 PM
1

You mean, like, the people arming the Congolese, etc.?
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:24 PM
1

THAT'S RACIST! jk
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:22 PM
1

Then why do they fuck them? Don't you see what's really going on here or no? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpjmvaIgNA
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:22 PM
1

lol. again as PEOPLE, not because they are rich or white. i call out feminists all the time for being assholes, does that mean that i hate all feminists or that i'm anti-feminist or that i hate them because they're feminists? no, i hate them because they're assholes, not because they're feminists. and when i trash on MRAs like you, it's because you're obnoxious, not because you're an MRA. learn to distinguish between the two things, please.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:14 PM
1

again, i don't care that they're white. i don't dislike them because they're white. i'm white. their power is in dollars and cents, influence, like i said before.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:09 PM
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nothing to do with their race or their class. like i said, privileged people don't have to be assholes.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:07 PM
1

Eventually, yeah, but RICH WHITE PEOPLE hold most of the power, still. Not apex fallacy because i'm referring to RICH WHITE PEOPLE...not average white people.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:00 PM
1

That's exactly my point. Rich white people. Get it? lol
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:57 PM
-1

Relationally, their perception of "men" is Dad, brother, uncle, etc.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:54 PM
-1

I just say that because in our society, class privileged white people call the shots, as demonstrated by the feminists writing the hate speech, etc.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:48 PM
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No, not white people. You're not reading it carefully enough.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:44 PM
1

Yeah, nothing wrong with being privileged, but as PEOPLE, class privileged white men fucking SUCK. (for the record, people can SUCK who aren't privileged, too. being an asshole doesn't require being privileged.)
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:43 PM
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The white feminists are coming from families of CLASS PRIVILEGED white men. why do you think they hate men so much? that should tell you something in itself. their daddies own the world.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:39 PM
1

I guess what I'm saying is that gender roles might be different depending on a person's ethnicity / cultural background. A hispanic male might feel he has a slightly different gender role than a caucasian male, who might have a different gender role than an African American male. It might be minor differences but it affects the way we see our roles in life.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:36 PM
3

Because you didn't have my experiences in college and, later, with feminist "journalists." I know what they are like.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:31 PM
2

No, they hate me not because I'm a man but because I'm a white, heterosexual man from a lower middle class background.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:19 PM
1

Excellent question. There's nothing wrong with being privileged, I think, but it's important to acknowledge it and important to realize that not everyone shares your privileges. I should be saying this to feminists, frankly, and not to you, because most of these feminists have more privileges than you do.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 07:11 PM
-1

Yeah but you just need the sperm of one man to give birth to thousands of children. The rest of us are entirely disposable.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:56 PM
0

Well, more than just money, obviously, but money is the start of it.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:55 PM
0

Yes, money.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:54 PM
2

This is true.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:54 PM
0

That sounds rather..masochistic, in a sensitivity "hazing ritual" sort of way. :-)
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:54 PM
3

Thank you, I really appreciate it. I know I've taken a lot of criticism on here as of late, but one thing I will say about this subreddit, it is OPEN to VIGOROUS debate, unlike the Feminism subreddits in which I was banned after my first or second post. This place is REAL.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:53 PM
3

Not happy to cut my own throat but...unhappy that there isn't a place for me in the feminist movement, let's put it that way.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:52 PM
1

Cherry picked, too. They have to be perfect in every which way.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:52 PM
1

I apologize. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just trying to express my thoughts as rationally as I could.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:51 PM
-1

But if you want to take a purely "Marxist" slant to things, who owns the "means of production," so to speak? The male sex or the female sex? Last I checked, we can't give birth to children, can we?
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:50 PM
1

Thank you for your reply. Frankly, with respect to your answer to the second question, I was very surprised. I expected, like most proponents of intersectionality, that it would be impossible to disentangle one's race from one's gender role, etc.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:49 PM
-1

Interesting point and certainly worth noting. Even though I disagree with the thrust of your argument, I certainly agree with many of the details.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:48 PM
0

Perhaps so, but I think it is worth distinguishing between overlapping concepts: PRIVILEGED white males (in terms of dollars & cents, education, age, health, etc.). This dude looks like the monopoly man. He's got loads of cash. He's well educated. His family is connected. He's from old money. He probably owns a yacht. (And these dudes do exist, believe it or not). White males who are the recipients of MALE PRIVILEGE (again, a privilege that should be measured (in part) on how they look, their se…
/r/MensRights16/08/13 06:44 PM
2

What about an HONEST discussion of the commercialization and standardization of journalism, of ideology, of politics? Moving beyond mainstream white feminism, why don't we start asking POINTED questions about ANY solidarity movement that seeks to marginalize the voice of its dissenters (e.g., MRAs, underserved communities, disabled people, ugly people, etc.). They want to standardize education, standardize politics, standardize any discussion of race, or class, or gender studies. It is repugnant…
/r/MensRights16/08/13 03:52 PM
5

MRM may be, in part, a backlash to feminism but it doesn't mean that it should represent itself as the ideological antipode to feminism. This was actually the subject matter of my first post on Reddit.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 03:45 PM
1

This makes perfect sense to me. It would also be helpful to study the trajectory of privileged white women in society and see where they end up vis a vis women who are not privileged.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 03:41 PM
2

Exactly.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 03:09 PM
2

Really makes you wonder about some things, doesn't it.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 03:06 PM
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For the record, I believe that women are oppressed, that male privilege exists (and is a bad thing), and that we live in a patriarchal society. I'm not telling feminists anything.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 02:27 PM
1

What about psychologists trained to deal with men's issues?
/r/MensRights15/08/13 02:15 PM
2

Um, who cares whether or not the media is covering this? Last I checked, they're not an arm of the government, right? What they choose to run with is their prerogative: they're operating a business, not a not-for-profit. What's most important here is that the alleged individual responsible is being prosecuted.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 02:13 PM
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Wow, to hear the kids' testimony, it's really an eye opener for me. I always assumed that she was a battered wife. I guess everyone did.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 02:10 PM
1

The way to solve this conundrum is simple: men applying for child support should be prepared to get a sex change operation...that way, there would be nothing sexist about these questions anymore. And it makes sense, after all, because women are supposed to take care of children. I mean, of course not! That's sexist! Men are.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 02:08 PM
6

Yeah, this is ridiculous. The sad truth is that men aren't supposed to "want" sex, that is, until they're supposed to want it (when the woman wants it, of course).
/r/MensRights15/08/13 02:05 PM
2

This is an interesting point of view. It really hinges on your opinion of infidelity and/or polyamory. Is it really such a bad thing for society? For men? For women? If it's done in secret then sure, but what about if it's done openly?
/r/MensRights15/08/13 12:19 PM
1

Loser narrative = socially awkward / poor "creep," the "bad guy" who is presumably chasing a woman out of his league, etc., instead of just seeing people as people. The idea is, someone should be shamed for looking poor, for acting poor, etc.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 05:13 AM
2

From wikipedia: "Recognition that a law may allow for a chilling effect as a vehicle for political libel or vexatious litigation provides motivation to change such defamation laws, and therefore prevent censorship and the suppression of free speech."
/r/MensRights09/08/13 06:51 PM
2

I disagree. In this case, threatening someone with legal action is using the apparatus of government to enforce a dogmatic belief. It is the same thing as a librarian deciding to use her position as a public servant to ban books that she deems objectionable to the general public. If the apparatus of the state is enabling this kind of conduct to continue, it is in fact a form of censorship.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 06:24 PM
3

By labeling something as "stalking" or "harassment" when it's not, a society is suppressing free speech, which is the definition of censorship.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 05:24 PM
-1

Wow, this is really scary. I hope this woman receives treatment for her mental illness.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 04:15 PM
18

I agree with you. I created a controversial blog a while back and made my email address public. It didn't surprise me to receive negative feedback and I actually embraced it as being a GOOD thing, getting people to QUESTION things, etc.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 04:12 PM
1

I'm asking you the same question! It shouldn't.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:25 PM
2

I know this is not "PC" to say, but the breakdown of a marriage or any relationship is the responsibility of both parties, not just one (the man). Each side had a role to play, as adults. There needs to be some focus on the role that WOMEN play in divorce, etc.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:22 PM
8

It is pretty telling and it is disgraceful. People like that should be called out on what they're doing: it's called CENSORSHIP, and it has a chilling effect on free speech.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:20 PM
11

Yeah, this was my response: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rl128g
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:19 PM
3

This video doesn't make me sick, it makes me sad.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:49 PM
27

I was abused by women growing up, too. This isn't an isolated thing. I'm glad that this stuff is coming up, though. It's sad that it's taken so long for people to notice.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:46 PM
23

Just keep in mind one thing, though...part of what the feminist movement is able to accomplish (through lobbying, PR campaigns, advertising, etc.) is through FUNDING. Feminist lobbyists are VERY well funded and WELL established in DC. Maybe if the MRM had the financial resources that the feminist movement has, it would have a better chance of instituting reforms, too.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:44 PM
54

All I know is, once I set a few emails to a feminist "journalist" addressing some of my disagreements with her point of view. The feminist journalist's email was publicly available on her twitter page and on her blog. She never responded but tweeted about my emails publicly to mock me and referred to me as a "stalker" for sending them "unsolicited" (her words, not mine). She sent me an email telling me not to contact her, and I haven't communicated with her since. But is this really harassment? …
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:41 PM
2

Progress but wrong definition, obviously. The definition should be the hatred of men (by men or by women).
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:34 PM
6

Like I stated in another thread, the problem I see with feminism is that gender roles are shaped by men and by women, which is to say that women DO shape male gender roles AND female gender roles in very real ways, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. At the very least, this doesn't HAVE to be a bad thing, but sometimes it can be. The problem is, feminism cannot address how women have a role to play in shaping male gender roles in a potentially negative way. Any discussion of this poi…
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:32 PM
1

What if sexual dimorphism in humans is a "THING" bigger than we think it is? For example, species with the highest sexual dimorphism, such as the pheasant, tend to be those species in which the care and raising of offspring is done only by the mother, with no involvement of the father (low degree of paternal investment).
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:20 PM
1

How dare you trivialize my horrific experience.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:12 AM
3

If I could, I'd give you a giant manshake right now and a beard buzz to boot. :-) (manspeak for thank you). We may be animals, but it doesn't mean we're uncivilized.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:32 PM
4

Men? People? Some men, maybe, but only on account of their race or sexual orientation. They should thank intersectionality for giving them their humanity back...
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:29 PM
2

I kind of like the idea of a womanhole cover, though.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:27 PM
1

Sounds logical to me.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:25 PM
-3

Tell that to the rape apologists in the MRM!
/r/MensRights08/08/13 10:40 PM
1

Touche. You're right on this one, I apologize.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 07:55 PM
1

This might be a silly question, because I am not well versed in this area of law, but what if an actual rape occurred that COULD be established beyond a reasonable doubt? After the University concludes its inquiry and the accused is expelled, is he then criminally liable as well? I'm sure there's no double jeopardy defense here, but how often does this occur in practice (if ever)? This is part of my concern, too. If a male student rapes a female student on campus and there is evidence that could…
/r/MensRights08/08/13 06:18 PM
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I'm saying that it's one of the inherent difficulties in acknowledging the existence of a "rape culture." Perhaps you don't see my point here. I'm saying, to deny that a rape occurred here, is it supporting "rape culture"? If the sexes were reversed, many women would say that it is. On the other hand, to claim that this is the same thing as the brutal rape of a woman (when perhaps it is not even in the same realm at all), some might argue that by arguing that this is "rape," a person is promotin…
/r/MensRights08/08/13 05:27 PM
1

You know, at least in the United States (not so much in the UK), the likelihood of winning a defamation suit depends in part on the status of the plaintiff. If a plaintiff is a public figure, then he would have to prove malice (actual intent to defame) in order to establish his case against the defendant. The idea is that A PUBLIC FIGURE should have to put up with a certain amount of satire, ridicule, criticism, etc. It's a good theory and one that I think should be applied here, too. If a journ…
/r/MensRights08/08/13 05:22 PM
-11

Your post is problematic to me because as a man sympathetic to feminism (and to men's issues), I have to ask myself: Is it "rape culture" to suggest that this wasn't rape or wasn't "bad enough" to qualify as rape? Is it "rape culture" to suggest that this IS as bad as a woman being raped?
/r/MensRights08/08/13 04:57 PM
4

It raises some thought-provoking questions to me, like whether or not Universities should be in the business of adjudicating these kinds of disputes in the first place. If it is not possible for the University to provide adequate due process protections or for the University to impose a FITTING punishment for a crime as heinous as rape (beyond mere expulsion), then maybe these kinds of complaints should be referred to the state to prosecute instead. Any thoughts? For example, how would people fe…
/r/MensRights08/08/13 04:50 PM
2

This is the best thing I've read all day, and it's a problem that should be given a LOT more attention. I've been abused online by women, and I'm not sure I'm not the only man online who has.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 02:55 AM
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Thank you!
/r/MensRights08/08/13 02:45 AM
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Thank you for your perspective on this. It is much appreciated! :-)
/r/MensRights08/08/13 02:45 AM
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Opposing something is not the same as taking "responsibility" for it. Must feminism take responsibility for every man-hating screed out there? Of course not. I just ask that feminists make the effort to denounce misandry whenever they are exposed to it. I would expect the same from the MRM with respect to misogyny.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 02:42 AM
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I never claimed that "the MRA" is responsible for the linked article.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 12:31 AM
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Women have always treated me like I am "creepy" because I am ugly, so it's nothing new to be stigmatized by the opposite sex for something that is not (entirely) my fault. At the same time, the experience helps me relate to women who are stigmatized by men.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 12:14 AM
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Maybe I should qualify what I said then: FIXED gender roles are inherently negative. I don't mind gender roles that are fluid and adaptive, gender roles informed by the inherent complexities of the human experience. In other words, if a "Person A" wants to assume gender role X, who am I to say that that's a bad or a good thing. My only issue is if said "Person A" wants to foist gender role X on me and say, "this is the way YOUR SEX should act" or...."this is the way that MY SEX should act in rel…
/r/MensRights08/08/13 12:11 AM
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Young lady (or man), whomever you are, are you suggesting that people who preach hate SHOULD expect tolerance in return? In other words, are you saying that the man-hating feminist bloggers on Jezebel SHOULD expect a tolerant reception of their views by men? :-)
/r/MensRights08/08/13 12:06 AM
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I think the removal of gender roles is actually a POSITIVE goal but it's impossible to achieve without a critical analysis of both sexes and the ways in which they perpetuate gender roles (including, of course, women).
/r/MensRights08/08/13 12:02 AM
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Actually reminds me of a funny story...once I went with one of my bros (a guy friend) to see that Morgan Sperlock documentary about product placement in the media. The title of the movie started with "POM" (the name of one of the sponsors) but when we purchased the ticket, I think the half-asleep movie theater employee thought that I said "Prom Night" instead (a Disney movie that was appearing at the same time). So we ended up seated in this movie theater at like 10 in the morning (it was a mati…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 11:56 PM
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My take on it is that it is a DISGUSTING display of misogyny, and it proves that misogyny still exists and is RAMPANT today (as evidenced by the article itself and many of the comments on this subreddit). If the MRM ever wanted to legitimize itself, it would have to VIGILANTLY OPPOSE misogyny. Why? Because misogyny delegitimizes the LEGITIMATE issues that men face today, just like the misandric vein of radical feminism DELIGITIMIZES the legitimate and beneficial aspects of the feminist movement.…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 11:50 PM
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I don't like "real men" anything because I consider it to be part of patriarchal society. A "real man" is meaningless talk. It's like talking about a "real woman." "Real women do this." Wtf does that mean? Sexist either way.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 11:43 PM
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I stated my assertion by providing a concrete definition of patriarchal society and then gave two examples to illustrate its impact on society. You can either take issue with my definition of patriarchal society or you can take issue with the examples that I provided to illustrate its existence. As far as I can tell, you've done neither.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 10:37 PM
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My assertion is simple: patriarchal society puts men in charge and women in a subservient role of someone being provided for, which hurts both genders because it permits women to be dependent on men and obligates men in ways that are harmful to them. What is your definition of patriarchal society and how does our current society not fit your definition?
/r/MensRights07/08/13 10:00 PM
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I just gave you evidence! The attacks on men's issues go something like this: men's issues, huh? since when? Bc of gender roles, men were accustomed to not complaining, even in the prisons and coal mines of our society. Upton Sinclair's protagonist in the jungle, his response to any adversity: I will try harder! Because we live in a patriarchal society, men take control, they don't admit helplessness or express self doubt, they certainly don't complain. A man complaining in our patriarchal socie…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 09:32 PM
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Case in point: the reason that feminist blogs like Jezebel are making fun of men for whining (aside from the profit motive) is BECAUSE of patriarchal society, which tells us: "men shouldn't complain, men shouldn't whine, men have nothing to tell us as people." In other words, they are SUPPORTING patriarchal society with their articles mocking, ridiculing and shaming men for trying to identify our issues. If patriarchal society didn't exist, their shaming tactics would be utterly ridiculous.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 08:56 PM
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I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States, which IS a patriarchal society. Patriarchal society (not the "patriarchy") is what creates male gender roles that HURT men. These gender roles are supported by MEN and by WOMEN, but it's really hurting society. Men should be permitted to cry, permitted to whine, permitted to hide, permitted to have mental illnesses, permitted to question their sexuality, permitted to complain about women, permitted to file criminal charges of abuse, p…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 08:53 PM
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I don't like the term MRA or the name "men's rights movement." I don't think that this movement has anything to do with "rights" so much as it has to do with ISSUES.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 08:39 PM
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Sorry, but I wish people like me could respond to this writer directly: I'm not an MRA, I don't believe that men are "oppressed" in relation to women (not at all), but I do believe there are "men's issues" (not rights) that are not receiving the funding and attention that they deserve (partly because of the patriarchal society in which we live, which depicts men with problems as hilariously poorly endowed creepy critters). If you want to discuss patriarchy, legitimize the idea that men can (and …
/r/MensRights07/08/13 03:25 PM
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Is it just me or is pulling the "misogyny card" too often a little like the boy crying wolf? There is OVERT misogyny, there are SUBTLER forms of misogyny and then there is INSTITUTIONALIZED misogyny. In my mind, it helps to distinguish between the three.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 03:19 PM
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I wanted to add something here but I was hoping to find the source first (unfortunately, I can't seem to find it). I read something a while ago on the impact of the Great Depression on men growing up at that time. Apparently these men CONTINUED to suffer from low self-esteem for the rest of their lives, more or less. I think a similar thing is happening now with the Millennials. We're expected to fulfill this role in society that we CANNOT fulfill (financially or emotionally). We reject patriarc…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 03:17 PM
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Yeah, I kept waiting in the article to hear an admonition for young women to STOP chasing older men, but it didn't happen. I guess it's just assumed that women that young wouldn't know any better? How delightfully paternalistic?
/r/MensRights07/08/13 02:22 PM
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I would never, ever approach a woman or a child in public except if it is an emergency or as a courtesy (someone dropping something, someone sneezing, etc.). I think more men should follow my lead. Just step out of it all.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 02:04 PM
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There is a discernible misogynistic undercurrent to some of the commentary here. However, the reason is not that these men are dyed-in-the-wool misogynists but that they're clearly not being given a voice in the discussion. I grew up in a patriarchal household, and I hate patriarchal society EVEN MORE than most feminists, I am SURE. However, the demands being placed on men in this patriarchal society we live in are BURDENSOME TO MEN, TOO. Moreover, patriarchal society is not only composed of men…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 02:02 PM
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I am a white hetero man who was the victim of a hate crime in college. When I approached the administration, one of the things I was insistent on was that the perpetrators not be suspended or expelled. I wanted to reclaim what had been taken from me, but I didn't want to ruin their lives in the process. To be clear, the crime didn't rise to the level of rape, not even close, but it was enough to warrant charges, if I were willing to pursue that path. Instead, with the help of the University psyc…
/r/MensRights07/08/13 12:48 PM
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But isn't it possible that men dominate women by force X number of times and women dominate men by force Y number of times? I mean, isn't that what gender equality is all about or no? I mean, in my mind, the biggest enemy of feminism isn't men...it's other women! I mean, women hold women back in many, many ways. even feminists could be holding back feminism in some ways. why does the enemy need to have a specific sex, a specific face to it? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense to me.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 04:24 PM
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Well, it wasn't so much betrayal as it was...just...the realization that, as a human being, my purpose was to serve a "point" in an article. I mean, I guess that's the "point" of all journalistic enterprises, but ...it brought home to me the fact that, there's the story, the narrative, and then there's everything else behind it, if that makes sense.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 04:21 PM
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Yes, I was banned from both for stating something innocuous, I don't even remember what. I think it had to do with gender egalitarianism or something like that. They're feeling defensive, as they well should. Unless feminism starts addressing men's issues legitimately and seriously, it's going to go the way of the Prohibition Movement.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:33 PM
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Speaking of people being harassed, what about the boys who are not so gifted at school (and trust me, there's going to be a LOT MORE of them coming down the pipeline). Are they being teased and bullied, too? (I guess this is an irrelevant question?)
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:27 PM
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For what it is worth, if anything, do you know who is more likely to view "gifted girls" as being less popular? OTHER GIRLS. I really, really, really don't see boys teasing a girl because she is really smart. I mean, if they do, they certainly have another thing coming to them...lol
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:24 PM
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I don't mind statements when they are backed by empirical research but when it's just one person's opinion, it should be stated as conjecture, not as an established fact. In other words, "it is my opinion," or "I believe" or "I've witnessed," etc. Otherwise, what's even the point?
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:22 PM
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I don't think feminism should be opposed to a frank and honest discussion of men's issues at all. It's kind of sad, actually, that they're not.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:11 PM
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Thank you for your understanding perspective, Sir. Here is the article, if you're interested in reading it: http://www.salon.com/2013/06/30/do_it_again_or_i%e2%80%99m_gonna_call_your_wife%e2%80%9d_inside_the_world_of_financial_domination/ (I was referred to in the article as "Jesse.")
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:01 PM
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I agree with her insofar as I think that men shouldn't be pining after unrequited love in the first place...but your point is still well taken: Is she suggesting that women SHOULD want to chase after men in the same way that men are conditioned to chase after women? (All the while deploring this poor, unfortunate guy for supposedly chasing after women when they're clearly not interested in him?) Is she suggesting that women would at least LIKE to have the option of doing this but they can't beca…
/r/MensRights06/08/13 02:49 PM
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It's so offensive to me, all of it. The constant shaming of innocent men that goes on by these women who are supposedly fighting for "gender equality" never ceases to amaze me. What was this man's crime? That he wrote a self-deprecating piece about his travails with women? I don't get it.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 02:38 PM
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I kind of knew by the end of the interview that it was going to have an agenda to it. (I knew even before she interviewed me, in fact.) But, I still hoping for something more, a frank discussion of what is involved, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I think it's probably too much to ask of journalism today. If they're not trying to sell you anything, you're probably not reading carefully enough.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 02:37 PM
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I agree with you completely. This whole experience has really shaken me to the core. The only reason that I don't come out with the article is that I am really, really ashamed of it. The purpose of my blog was to help me cope with my problem in a responsible, mature way...
/r/MensRights06/08/13 02:35 PM
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Thank you for your very thought-provoking and well reasoned answer.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 12:56 PM
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For one, I think that women have suffered from serious self-esteem issues wherein they were raised to associate their self worth, or lack thereof, with how "attractive" they appeared to society, not with who they were as human beings. Traditionally I do not believe that men suffered from these self esteem issues relating to their appearance, at least not relative to women. However, with the Millennial generation, society has created new and pernicious ways of objectifying men, similar to the way…
/r/MensRights06/08/13 12:53 PM
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What kind of context?
/r/MensRights06/08/13 12:34 PM
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Okay, here are some of the quotations from the "comments" section below the article: "Gross picture accompanying gross and depressing story. If this were about men abusing women who signed some contract, _____ would be up in arms." "Wow. The first part of that story was actually funny. The last part, however, that showed how ruthlessly these women exploited these men who clearly have problems was rather repulsive." "I try to be openminded, really I do. And yet...I can't quite comprehend how much…
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:53 AM
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IF you were to read people's comments to the article, you would definitely think of it as an MR issue. The comments sounded as though they were coming from this subreddit, and these were her normal readers, I think.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:35 AM
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That's another thing, too. She stated in the interview that no personal details about me would be revealed, and she did not keep that promise, either.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:18 AM
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She left out, for one, the perspective of women in this experience who were not as happy, the perspective of men in this experience who were not so happy (and not because they are "stupid" or "crazy" but for other reasons that she didn't want to go into). These were all convenient omissions.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:16 AM
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Without revealing more than I would like, her vantage point was that, in a complex form of exchange between a man and a woman, the woman was doing well, and the man was a "lost cause."
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:15 AM
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I discussed this with my psychologist. I was portrayed in the article as an out-of-control, highly mentally unstable person but if you were to read the blog that I had created (or even the transcript of the interview), you would realize that my answer to her questions (and my understanding of my experiences) were far more nuanced and circumspect than her depiction. The purpose of her article was to promote a certain kind of woman, and she did that. Was it balanced? Not at all. And I know she has…
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:12 AM
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Possibly so, or maybe it's just that there's a lot MORE of it now, so any one group of people can choose to live within an information silo without having to hear the perspective of the other side (e.g., feminists never having to learn about the "Disposable Male" theory and its influence on men AND women).
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:09 AM
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Because I think that male privilege does exist (although it is not distributed equally among ALL males), and I think that we live in a society that IS in fact oppressive to women. To me, these facts don't belittle or lessen the number of issues that men face that are peculiar to their gender.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:07 AM
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It may not be uncommon, but it angered me because...even though I was aware of it before the piece was published...I was made to confront the flaws in modern journalism and in feminism in a very...concrete, in-your-face kind of manner.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:06 AM
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The journalist was clearly a feminist and has written many feminist pieces in various publications. At the end of the interview, the journalist offered me her vantage point, which clearly colored the article that she wrote.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 11:04 AM
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Yes, she tried her best but ultimately she couldn't make her case convincingly because I don't think she even believed what she was writing. The problem with journalism today is that its more profit driven than truth driven. I'd rather an article be accurate than "controversial" but maybe that's just me.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 06:17 AM
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Point taken. But, as you know, a recurring criticism of the MRM is that an "anti-movement" isn't exactly a movement in its own right, more of a RESPONSE to another movement. So really, often is the question asked, what is the MRM without feminism? What is the MRM's raison d'etre? Those questions cannot be asked of the MGTOW movement.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 06:15 AM
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How so?
/r/MensRights06/08/13 05:57 AM
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As I've stated on this subreddit before, I consider myself to be a MGTOW and I think it's vital to BOTH feminism and the MRM (I don't associate with either). The thing is, every man who IS a MGTOW is sort of putting the question to society: what now? Maybe nothing. Maybe just laughter (and mockery), but if enough men were to latch on to this idea (and there ARE enough men ready, willing, and able to do it), I think it would force people to start asking some uncomfortable questions. What's the PO…
/r/MensRights06/08/13 05:52 AM
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Well, the closure, I think, was knowing that her readers were able to see right through it. She thought she could control the narrative by providing snippets of the interview, but it was easy to read between the lines and the comments were OVERWHELMINGLY negative.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 05:38 AM
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I'd love to share the blog and/or article, but something tells me that it would cause more trouble than it's worth. lol
/r/MensRights06/08/13 05:28 AM
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I've thought about doing that, but several things stopped me. First, she handled herself unprofessionally: several months after the interview, she contacted me via text message to let me know that her piece was being published. She then expressed an interest to talk to me "on the phone" or "in person" about it. I thought that this was an unusual request, so I asked her why. She couldn't seem to give me a straight answer. Anyway, even after reading her skewed piece, I agreed to talk to her about …
/r/MensRights06/08/13 05:26 AM
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lol. I wish it were boring. :-p
/r/MensRights06/08/13 04:20 AM
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That looks really promising.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 03:38 AM
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I think it's weird to me how this idea that men might just have "problems" of their own is SO THREATENING to every race, creed, gender, etc., in existence. HEAVEN forbid!!! What is so wrong with acknowledging it? I just don't get it. It doesn't hurt the feminist movement at all and it's actually entirely consistent with their ideology (patriarchy, etc.).
/r/MensRights05/08/13 11:47 PM
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Yeah but if men lose their weiners, it's considered funny or something anyway. It just means they can't procreate, big deal. There are plenty of other men that can get women pregnant, it's not that important. No offense, but from a feminist perspective at least, men are pretty disposable. Some feminists even talk about the castration of the male species. Imagine how misogynistic that would be if men talked about that with women?
/r/MensRights05/08/13 11:32 PM
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Hey, I was circumcised and I turned out okay...
/r/MensRights05/08/13 11:12 PM
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You should never tell jokes like that. Except...well, I can think of one exception. Men in prison! We could joke about what "tossing the salad" means to a boy in prison...what it means to be a "punk" in prison, mercy tattoos...or...dropping a bar of soap in prison. I don't know, do you have any funny prison rape jokes? I mean, let's face it, no one in society even cares for these guys, they're mostly in prison for non-violent drug offenses while they're getting their assholes raped. Maybe it's n…
/r/MensRights05/08/13 11:09 PM
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As men, I think we should be firm on this. We should OWN the word "creep," lest any creepy woman ever DEIGN to take it away from us. We should have "Take Back the Creep" nights and talk about "Creep Privilege" and "Creep Culture" and what it means to be a CREEP, inside and out. I mean, we didn't REALLY have a choice in the matter, did we? Being a creep is an immutable aspect of our being, right? It's sort of like being born ugly (or poor for that matter.) You can't just wake up one day and say, …
/r/MensRights05/08/13 10:58 PM
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Feminists always say that I'm "mansplaining" whenever I talk about issues that men face. The white knight-ish part of me always feels guilty, as though I'm squandering a perfect opportunity to be "pick-up artisty" or something like that. Sometimes I think that men should never complain about ANYTHING, but then the rational part of me pauses to ask: Wait, why is it so bad to talk about issues that men are facing? I mean, I racked my brains for years trying to figure this out. Okay, so there's thi…
/r/MensRights05/08/13 10:46 PM
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He just doesn't seem to be so concerned about the more pressing issues!
/r/MensRights05/08/13 10:25 PM
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I don't know...I just figured it was a silly fight to be waging...
/r/MensRights05/08/13 10:24 PM
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I see your point. However, if men like you and me refrained from engaging in sexual relations with women entirely, then they would have "bigger fish to fry," I would think! In other words, give them what they want: IGNORE THEM. Let them go to dance clubs dominated by women, organizations dominated by women, etc. They'll get the idea right quick. A lot of these so-called "Feminists" actually WANT men pining over them, paying them attention, trying to get into their good graces by agreeing with th…
/r/MensRights05/08/13 07:59 PM
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I think we should all join the MGTOW movement, personally, and start paying less attention to feminist dogma and more attention to ourselves.
/r/MensRights05/08/13 07:48 PM
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Well, then, I apologize for GENERALIZING that ALL guys have problems as a result of their gender. Obviously, the opposite of making such a broad generalization would be to suggest that MOST guys do not have ANY problems as a result of their gender! LOL (Minus, of course, rape culture, patriarchy, etc., which of course doesn't create problems for "MOST" men at all, just for women) (sarcasm)
/r/MensRights05/08/13 07:33 PM
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I know I am in the minority here when I say this, but I believe that "Not All Feminists Are Like That" arguments are actually a GOOD thing for feminism and for men's issues. There are many, many socially responsible feminists who should be congratulated for distancing themselves from some of the more extreme rhetoric, gender baiting, and hate speech. In fact, I would love it for more feminists to come out and say, "hey, you know what? These women DO NOT SPEAK for me and they DO NOT speak for fem…
/r/MensRights05/08/13 04:54 PM
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I disagree. I think that male privilege and white privilege and many other kinds of "privilege" exist, although the extent to WHICH an individual is the recipient of privilege can vary QUITE a bit. For example, an African American male has LESS "male privilege" than a Caucasian male, etc. And, yes, privilege is, in part, a social norm, but it doesn't make it any less discriminatory.
/r/MensRights05/08/13 04:49 PM
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Is this posted?
/r/MensRights05/08/13 04:10 PM
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And if you really think that a poor black disabled guy's GENDER ROLE has little to do with his situation in life, then perhaps I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, too. The reality is that the gender role for African American males is much different from the gender role for, say, Caucasian males, or Asian males. African American MEN face UNIQUE pressures that are PARTICULAR to BOTH their sex and their ethnicity. In fact, it's an incredibly ethnocentric thing to say, from the outside looking …
/r/MensRights05/08/13 03:54 PM
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Excellent question. You acknowledge that men should have a seat at the table with respect to gender issues. You don't focus exclusively on men's issues as they affect WOMEN. You are permitted to focus on men's issues as they affect MEN. You acknowledge that male gender roles are not shaped EXCLUSIVELY by men. You acknowledge that society shapes male gender roles (just like society shapes female gender roles, too). Men and women play a role in shaping the gender roles of BOTH sexes. You stand up …
/r/MensRights05/08/13 03:36 PM
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Excellent post! It's hard NOT to acknowledge the incredible pressures put on men by our society.
/r/MensRights05/08/13 03:26 PM
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The meaningful answer to the question is that some males have less privileges than some females in this world (and not because of the nonexistence of "male privilege," either, but because of the existence of OTHER privileges, as enumerated in the Shakesville article).
/r/MensRights05/08/13 03:23 PM
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I don't know: I see nothing wrong with a man crossing the street when a woman is approaching him, although I'm sure some women might interpret it as a creepy thing in its own right. Sometimes it's difficult to predict people's behavior in reaction to things, unfortunately.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 09:50 PM
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I disagree. Having things shouted at you is rude, disrespectful and abusive.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 07:29 PM
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This was very well argued and presented. Thank you for your work on this! Great job!
/r/MensRights04/08/13 07:13 PM
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It's a shame, it really is. They are missing out on what could be an instructive dialogue.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 07:10 PM
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True, there's no law saying that people need to respect each other, but that doesn't mean that society isn't better off for people being kinder and more considerate to each other, either.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 07:07 PM
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Thank you for posting this. This is a very good point.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 05:31 PM
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This is unbelievable.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 05:29 PM
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Touche, Sir.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 02:41 AM
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So what is your motto then? No maternity leave, women give birth under their work station, etc.?
/r/MensRights04/08/13 02:25 AM
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Yes, well, I am not suggesting that ALL feminists think alike, but I am suggesting that the ideas of Jezebel have more..."reach," if you will, than the fascinating perspective of Ms. Delphy.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 02:23 AM
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No, but hypothetically if no woman elected to give birth...bye bye humanity, no? Perhaps there's a biological imperative.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 02:13 AM
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Well, please tell me what a REAL feminist would say? :-) lol
/r/MensRights04/08/13 01:33 AM
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Well, if women did it to men, it would make OTHER women look bad, too. I would say it's wrong of women to do it, too. People need to be more respectful to each other generally. Invading someone's personal space is not right, whether it's a man doing it or a woman.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:54 PM
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I've often argued a similar point myself: Feminist: "Don't you people get it? Women ARE the weaker sex, that's why we were OPPRESSED by men for ages! That's why we must constantly reassert our sense of agency! That's why whenever we get the chance to pick on "weaker" men, e.g., men who disavow traditional gender roles because they are "weak" ("nice guys," MGTOWS, etc.), WE POUNCE!!!! We need to step on any man we can in order to feel that we are moving up as a SEX. We need to wage war AGAINST TH…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:28 PM
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This is really sad.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:24 PM
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The cat-calling thing is REALLY bad. I think that men who do that sort of thing SHOULD be called out and shamed themselves. I wish that men who did this could be held accountable for their conduct because it gives men like me and you (the majority of men out there, I HOPE) a really bad name.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:23 PM
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Honestly, I really don't care that I was circumcised at birth. A woman once told me that "size doesn't matter," and I believe her! :-)
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:20 PM
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Thank you for posting this! I empathize with you.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:17 PM
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Sir, I think you're a very reasonable MRA and if all MRAs argued like you, I would support the movement wholeheartedly. However, I've often seen a misogynistic trend in this subreddit. There are a select group of men on here that continue to make flippant, sexist jokes about women, appear to "hate" women, appear to think that men are superior to women, etc. I don't want to be associated with a movement in which some of its members are espousing hatred to the opposite sex (which is also why I do …
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:13 PM
1

This was an EXCELLENT article. We do need a gender equality movement.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:06 PM
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But the thing is, Sir, I think we're talking about different concepts here. Feminism, as it is defined in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, is "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes," and I think that EVERYONE could and SHOULD get behind this idea. The truth is, many, MANY (I would say the MAJORITY) of feminists believe that feminism stands for just that: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes. Some of them never even heard of "mal…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 05:31 PM
14

I was joking.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 04:14 PM
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I was banned from feminism subreddit almost immediately. It's sad because I don't even identify as an MRA and I think that the feminist movement stands on firmer ground than the Men's Rights Movement. Unfortunately, most feminists seem to be of the mindset that men's problems do not exist or SHOULD not exist because of "male privilege," which would be great in theory but of course it's not so in practice. The difficulty is in getting them to realize that discussing men's issues is not taking awa…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 04:13 PM
1

Your point is well taken.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:52 PM
26

I don't know...there's something about the way He-Man looks that seems a little unrealistic, too! :-)
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:45 PM
2

Women should be free to wear what ever they want, as should men. I see no moral problem with women walking around scantily clad. It is ALWAYS within my power to pay them no mind, and that is EXACTLY what I do: I ignore it (just as I would ignore a man dressing a certain way to get my attention). Consistency, people!
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:43 PM
4

Frankly, unless she has the wherewithal to doctor the email correspondence they've had, I would say that the evidence is on her side here, not on Jack White's. Let's not suggest that every abuse claim is frivolous. (Plus, unless you haven't already noticed, musicians are kind of nuts to begin with, males AND females.)
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:40 PM
0

Let me just say: I think that this behavior you are describing is WRONG. It is HATEFUL. It is a form of harassment and it is criminal. I'm ashamed of men who do this, and I would never condone or defend that sort of behavior by ANYONE. When I am in public, I don't even look at women (no matter if she is attractive, scantily clad, etc.). I would hope that most men would do the same. It would be better for our society if men (and women) focused less on women's bodies and more on their sense of cha…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:34 PM
5

This is so important. This woman is doing men a great service by writing about this. Eventually, slowly, society will come around to recognizing men's issues as legitimate. I don't think that I will be alive to see it, but one day the "pop feminists" are going to have a lot of explaining to do.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:27 PM
3

What about females being more likely to suffer from borderline personality disorder, a mental illness verging on sociopathy? ;-)
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:23 PM
0

I'm sorry for misreading the article like that.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 10:50 AM
1

From personal experience.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:16 AM
1

Oh, you probably weren't reading the feminist blogs at the time. He's not exactly beloved by the Feminists...because he joked about boobs. (I'm serious, google it.)
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:08 AM
2

You know what's so odd about this? Tragedies like this happen ALL THE TIME in this country (unfortunately), and I think that Trayvon's death could have been avoided and I empathize greatly for his family but... Why did the national media choose to go "ALL OUT" on this story? Well, for a couple of reasons: It involves a neighborhood watch. (Moral: don't self-police, let the professionals do the policing for you) It involves a gun, not a knife or another weapon. (Moral: more gun control is needed.…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 03:03 AM
0

I agree, that's an excellent point. The one distinction I can think of is that with respect to the life choices that involve woman choosing lower paying jobs, a nine-month pregnancy is all but a given (assuming that the woman wants to have children). And although the decision to go through childbirth is technically still a "life choice," there's an inevitable biological component to it as well. There's no way for a woman wanting to have children to avoid those 9 months, and so it will impact her…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 02:18 AM
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I think Seth is feverishly trying to repair his image after his little debacle hosting the Academy Awards... If you recall, the backlash against him was...utterly unreal.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 02:10 AM
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Excellent question. The answer is simple: believe it or not, it's a small circle. When you insult a person of privilege, you're not just insulting the person, you're insulting ____ or ____ or ____ or ____. It just doesn't bode well for you. Plus, it's not considered very genteel. They reserve their hate for people in the abstract, people without names and faces (people essentially like us).
/r/MensRights03/08/13 02:03 AM
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Honestly, I'd like to hear both sides to this story (the woman's side, too). A University investigation is not the same as a criminal trial, and so of course the burden of proof will be different. This is one of those cases in which I don't know what was discussed, have no idea what was revealed. The fact that his father is a Professor at Vassar seems to imply (to me at least) that there was considerable evidence against him beyond just her word.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 01:59 AM
2

I'm sorry that you have to live through that. Thank you for writing about it, though.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 01:52 AM
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Well put and rather compelling, but I would have to respectfully disagree with you, Sir. Her daughter is privileged and as a privileged young white woman, she will be attending private school institutions for her entire grade school education, institutions costing more than most American families can save in a lifetime. She will have virtually no exposure to proles like us, save for the occasional "wild and crazy" jaunt through Brooklyn, for which she will write and publish a "darling" social co…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 01:35 AM
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It's hard to answer: while your question refers to the movement itself, your scale refers to the people supporting it...(and I think there is a difference between the two) As groups of people, I would rate feminists a 5/6...they are almost all good people with good intentions and they are mostly just like MRAs.... but, the average Feminist is NOT the woman writing for Jezebel or Feministing or any of these pop-culture blogs. The average Feminist doesn't fully understand the scholarship of the fe…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 12:46 AM
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I agree. At the very least, you should politely point out the inconsistency to your professor and to the class (be prepared for backlash, though).
/r/MensRights03/08/13 12:36 AM
2

This will probably sound stupid, but could it be that "Kim" sounds a little ...informal, colloquial even, given the context? Perhaps he'd have also gotten more callbacks if the name were "Kimberly O'Grady" or "Ms. Kim [Middle Name] O'Grady," etc.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 12:22 AM
1

I just want to say that part of the divisiveness of the feminist movement, in my humble opinion, stems from a desire to stir up controversy. Controversy sells, and it gets people talking. Yes, it is unethical to frame the contours of what is supposed to be, at least in theory, a social justice movement with constant vitriol and baiting, but it's part of a larger phenomenon in our culture to exaggerate claims to the point of near-utter absurdity. If "shock jocks" can do it and get away with it, s…
/r/MensRights02/08/13 11:17 PM
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I'm not a supporter of the men's rights movement because I believe the movement posits that men are the "oppressed" gender (I think that the female sex is the oppressed gender). By contrast, I believe that "gender egalitarianism" does not look to see WHICH is the oppressed gender first. Gender egalitarianism is interested in exploring gender issues for women and for men. In this way, I support gender egalitarianism. Having said that, I sympathize with the men's rights movement because feminism w…
/r/MensRights02/08/13 06:47 PM
5

"I want my daughter to be tough, to say no, to waste exactly zero of her God-given energy on the sexual, emotional and psychological demands of lame men — of lame anybodies." In a nutshell, that's exactly what's wrong with the self-proclaimed "radical, card-carrying feminist[s]" like this New York Times columnist. In truth, there is much to be learned from "lame men," from "lame anybodies." A little bit of superfluous kindness can go a long way in someone's life, whether it's a homeless person (…
/r/MensRights02/08/13 05:57 PM
13

I'm really sorry to hear that. That's not fair. :(
/r/MensRights02/08/13 05:46 PM
14

All I know is, when I provided a contrarian perspective on Feminism, I was promptly banned. When I provided contrarian perspectives here, sure I was ridiculed a bit, a few of you called me names, but...I was never banned, I was never threatened with a ban. I guess free speech is "overrated," though, or something like that. It's better to be "right" than to allow for dissenting points of view, right?
/r/MensRights02/08/13 04:53 PM
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Your point is very well taken. Thank you.
/r/MensRights02/08/13 04:26 PM
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Despite the fact that these kinds of stories existed from time immemorial, it doesn't change the fact that modern women shouldn't feel the need to be dependent on men for anything. Today, I think that women SHOULD be encouraged to see themselves as superheros, warriors, rescuers, etc., instead of as kidnapped victims and powerless princesses. Like I said in another thread, I don't think that these stories are doing men or women any favors, and I agree with Ms. Sarkeesian to the extent that the n…
/r/MensRights02/08/13 04:04 PM
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I'm not renewing my subscription to the New Yorker because I'm tired of reading the mainstream media's skewed coverage of gender issues. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the controversy sparked by Anita Sarkeesian's Kickstarter campaign is a multifaceted issue: Some people (including feminists) would argue that the obscene amount of money raised by Sarkeesian could have been better spent addressing women's rights in more pressing contexts. Video-game tropes discriminate against both men an…
/r/MensRights02/08/13 03:40 PM
2

That's part of what I find so disappointing. I feel as though most women who identify as being "feminists" probably have more in common with the men's rights movement than they do with the feminist movement today.
/r/MensRights02/08/13 02:35 AM
2

I agree with you, too. Gender stereotypes affect men AND women. Not every feminist is a "gender-baiter" from Jezebel...
/r/MensRights02/08/13 01:54 AM
1

"There's no harm in discussing this" "Unfortunately most people negate one side of the issues as invalid when compared with" But this is what I'm talking about. I don't consider myself an MRA or a supporter of the movement because i think that women ARE oppressed in society in RELATION to men. However, men HAVE legitimate concerns, legitimate issues, that deserve attention, funding, lobbying, etc., and this isn't to TAKE away from the oppression of women. IN FACT, on the contrary, addressing men…
/r/MensRights01/08/13 06:33 PM
2

Fellow feminists, we better submerge this data fast!! :-) And we just have to keep reminding the public that men don't have issues because they are the "white oppressors." (Nevermind men who aren't white, though, because we ONLY categorize THESE men by their ethnicity, not by their sex. They're JUST BLACK, after all, not MALES or FEMALES. Get it? Got it? GOOD!) By the way, isn't it curiously convenient that only white males are considered the "oppressors," not white females? I mean, it's not lik…
/r/MensRights01/08/13 03:33 PM
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Well, you can't really blame Bobbyjones for reflecting the general consensus that men who complain about being abused by women are TOTAL WIMPS. Even the FEMINISTS believe that to be the case, and they're all for gender equality!! (Troll post.) :-)
/r/MensRights01/08/13 03:22 PM
2

Yeah but we're not supposed to talk about that because when feminists attack the MRAs, they attack us as WHITE PRIVILEGED MEN, remember? What if it came to light that the MRM is advocating on behalf of African American men and there is a increasingly large number of minorities involved in the movement? That would cut against their narrative, so it's best we just ignore all of that!
/r/MensRights01/08/13 02:56 PM
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Agreed. They need to cite the source AND the collection method. I hate fuzzy science as it is applied in this context. Even if the ACTUAL number were 1 in 20 or 1 in 30, it's STILL a problem worth discussing and drawing attention to. There is NO reason to lie about the actual number.
/r/MensRights01/08/13 02:44 PM
2

I agree with most of what you said in your reply, but I don't think that I am blaming poverty, poor families, or children being born out of wedlock for the incarceration rate in this country. I think that we have a case of institutionalized racism in this country, no question about it. And I'm not only referring to racial profiling. I am referring to the flaws embedded deep within our criminal justice system that disadvantage minorities. For what it's worth, I think our criminal justice system i…
/r/MensRights31/07/13 03:08 PM
2

I like your answers!
/r/MensRights31/07/13 01:34 AM
2

I understand your point of view and I agree with it. But for men to become more "feminine," that might also involve men taking the time (and energy) to discuss their issues with the world, the pressure they feel to conform to stereotypes (the urbane man, the smooth man, the good talker, the wealthy man, the physically fit man, the confident man)...don't these stereotypes impact men in a potentially negative way? (Hint: it's not just men enforcing these stereotypes, it's women too!) Also, men are…
/r/MensRights31/07/13 01:26 AM
1

Okay, but when you speak of things like the prison industrial complex and women of color....here's my question, okay? (just to give you an example of my beef with feminism) Within ethnicities, there are UNIQUE gender roles. For example, the gender role of an African American man is not the same as the gender role of a Caucasian man in society. This isn't a bad or a good thing, but it's something worth noting. (African American men do not receive the same degree of "male privilege" that Caucasian…
/r/MensRights31/07/13 01:16 AM
1

Just my two cents, but I don't think it's ever alright to HIT anyone, man or woman. Violence is NEVER the answer, it is ALWAYS wrong. If you are being attacked, you should find a way to escape before resorting to self defense. If you MUST resort to self-defense, then you should focus on DEFENDING yourself from a future attack, NOT attacking your assailant. I'm sorry, but stuff like this seems to suggest that the MRAs are supporting violence against women, etc. Again, It is NEVER OKAY to attack a…
/r/MensRights30/07/13 05:28 PM
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I think the reason this stuff isn't seen as "bad" by society (or bad enough to address as a serious wrong) is the idea that most men "want" this kind of thing to happen to them. And, to be sure, a lot of men DO (or wouldn't bother complaining about it). However, there are other men who DON'T appreciate it, men who have girlfriends/wives, etc., men who are simply not interested, etc.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 05:18 PM
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My biggest problem with the feminist viewpoint is the illusion of uniformity it creates. If you look at the feminist blogs online, it's easy to see a recurring pattern...and I know that I will get in trouble for saying this, but I will say it anyway, because someone needs to say it .... On these blogs, there is a common theme: The bloggers/writers/feminists are all YOUNG snarky (moderately) attractive looking (with a small handful of exceptions) mostly skinny mostly white mostly from privileged …
/r/MensRights26/07/13 07:18 PM
1

Well, just like with the feminist movement, there are aspects of the men's rights movement that I agree with but ...there are things that I disagree with as well. I have a nuanced viewpoint that doesn't fit neatly within the "feminist" or the "MRM" camp.
/r/MensRights26/07/13 07:01 PM
1

This was the post text that got me banned: "Last I checked, feminists don't exactly have a monopoly on logical discourse. But, in any event, I like the comic because it illustrates my intense dislike of the present-day feminist movement. :-)"
/r/MensRights26/07/13 06:49 PM
2

Not looking for anything but wanted to make the point that "feminism" is every bit as misogynistic as the MRM, if not more so in certain respects. Whereas the MRM tacitly admits that women have "bested" men in some ways, feminists seem to be convinced that in almost all scenarios, it is the WOMAN who is being oppressed and exploited. Which movement paints women as being strong? which movement paints women as being weak? This isn't to say that I support the MRM, I don't, but I also put the femini…
/r/MensRights25/07/13 02:43 PM
1

why so many down votes? I'm offended!
/r/MensRights25/07/13 02:41 PM
1

Strawmen and lies because I provided my unique perspective? This is the problem with the culture today: no one can speak their mind, feminists have to believe in EVERY facet of feminist ideology, people concerned about men's rights cannot admit that rape and sexual abuse continue to be serious concerns for women (and men). Republicans can't discuss important social welfare programs (and spending on education), Democrats can't address the fact that many lower-middle-class people feel disenfranchi…
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:02 PM
0

Well, sure, but...I don't know...all of this is really complicated because it seems like you can't fix one harm without creating another. If you discourage frivolous accusations, for example, you might also create an environment in which actual victims are afraid to come forward, too. In an ideal world, you could accomplish both goals simultaneously (discourage frivolous accusations and encourage ALL legitimate victims to come forward), but I don't see how this is possible...in other words, some…
/r/MensRights21/06/13 04:43 PM
1

Fine, but will you please stop voting down everything I say? :-)
/r/MensRights21/06/13 04:29 PM
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You're assuming that a verdict of "not guilty" presumptively establishes the defendant's innocence. A verdict of "not guilty," however, only establishes that the state could not make its case "beyond a reasonable doubt." It would not surprise me if some of the men acquitted of rape charges were, in fact, guilty of rape, "by a preponderance of the evidence," for example. Moreover, a system by which an alleged victim of rape, upon a defendant's acquittal, would be brought up on charges herself (or…
/r/MensRights21/06/13 11:35 AM
1

Freudian slip? ;-)
/r/MensRights20/06/13 09:31 PM
4

Be careful, dude, because "real men" get their facts straight: http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-06-29/news/real-men-get-their-facts-straight-sex-trafficking-ashton-kutcher-demi-moore/
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:34 PM
1

Ooops, I'm sorry, is that cowardly and/or brazen of me to do? I just have questions. I would just as soon discuss them in the /r/feminism. Am I violating some unspoken netiquette here? If so, I apologize. :-)
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:06 PM
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Which leads me to an interesting question: what about celebrities who are charged with rape? If Kobe Bryant weren't famous, would he have been convicted of rape? Should he have been convicted of rape? Mike Tyson? (Notice that both of these men are African American, by the way?) Do we have other examples? Michael Jackson charged with child molestation. If he weren't Michael Jackson, would he have been convicted? Should he have been convicted? (another African American man) Which leads me to anoth…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 07:55 PM
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Well, yeah, this is unfortunate, for sure, and she should be convicted of a crime, but what about all of the unreported rapes and sexual assaults that occur in the United States every year? The truth is, when women are raped, most of the time it is by men they already know, such as their husbands, their fathers, their boyfriends, their friends. It shouldn't be surprising that some of these women are reluctant to come forward and reveal what happened to me. In effect, many of them would be destro…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 07:27 PM
2

HAHAHAHA!! OH MANNNN, well done!! :D Damn, MEN ARE EVIL!! HAHAHAHAHAHHA Misandry is impossible BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HATE HATE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO HATE THE WHITE DEVIL. The hate OF hate is LOVE. Misandry = hatred of ugly white men = love of women, love of life, love of diversity, LOVE OF EVERYTHING SACRED AND BEAUTIFUL AND PURE IN THE WORLD. WELL SAID! THROW THE FALSEHOOD OF MISANDRY IN THE GARBAGE, where it belongs! WE SHOULD ALL HATE MEN AND LOVE HUMANITY!! :-)
/r/MensRights20/06/13 07:05 PM
1

My friend, there's nothing wrong with using tone constructively when presenting your point of view, but I was referring specifically to someone who only wants to "speak bluntly about things, without nuance or qualification" as revealing the limits of his (or her) intellect. The use of tone in communicating a message is unavoidable, which is precisely why it should be used carefully. Moreover, I'm not advocating the censorship of free speech or the disallowing of conflicting points of view. By al…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 04:25 PM
1

That is part of it. It could involve baiting them. It could involve lying to them. It could involve attempting to "extort" them "in fun." It could involve "shaming" them. It could involve lying ABOUT them. It could involve "leading" them on. I mean, think of what an abusive person does in real life. It's the same thing online, except it's not face-to-face but the same forms of abuse are implemented here.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:51 PM
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Are you familiar with the Marshall McLuhan phrase "the medium is the message"? Even if we are referring to so-called "atonal" languages like Mandarin, the "tone" of a message is always part of its content. In other words, if all that you want to do is speak bluntly about things, without nuance or qualification, please do, but all you'll really be doing is revealing the limits of your intellect (and your arguments). When discussing complex, abstract subjects, it's necessary to employ a bit of sub…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:19 PM
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Errr Solanas? Author of the SCUM manifesto? Didn't she attempt to kill Andy Warhol at some point? Really? Dworkin, MacKinnon....okay, these are the true "heavyweights," true (perhaps in more ways than one, boys? wink wink), but they are speaking of men and women in the abstract. I think that you should cut them a little slack, particularly given the philosophical bent of their commentary, e.g., "women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent," which is, in itself, a really i…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:06 PM
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Actually, children are sociopaths. (Check out the Andrew Bird song, "Oh No," which is all about the "harmless sociopaths" of society.) Irrespective of what you said, however, I agree that no one needs to be "taught" not to rape. The implication, of course, is that men are naturally "inclined" to rape women until they are taught otherwise. But rape, if you study it (even a little), is an act of violence, not an act of "sex." People who commit rape are not thinking of it in "sexual" terms; they ar…
/r/MensRights20/06/13 01:55 PM
2

Excellent question, my friend. In such a magical place, my mangina would be painted crimson red, in honor of my lady's sacred menstrual cycle. In all seriousness though, men (and women) had it far, far worse in the past than they do today. Life expectancies bear this out. There is no other time I'd rather be living than today.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 01:27 AM
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The culture in which I raised was a little known place in continental Europe called the Principality of Mangina. It borders Slovenia. I don't know how to paint a picture for you, but if you could, try to imagine Borat meeting Freddy Krueger for lunch...
/r/MensRights20/06/13 01:20 AM
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Good point, Sir. I will try to be more concise next time, and it is indeed possible that I am not quite the "feminist mangina" that I think I am, especially not when it comes to yku-know-what, Sir Cfornax.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 01:09 AM
1

Honestly, my friend, I do support the MRM in theory. Actually, I want the movement to succeed and I hope that it doesn't get written off as a "hate group." That is partly why I'm so sensitive to the way it is being "received" in the press, etc. There is a lot of good in it. I'm sorry if it seems that I am overly critical of your movement, and I know it means a lot to you. I don't want to make light of the issues that you raise, especially since I agree with almost everything that you're saying. …
/r/MensRights19/06/13 09:23 PM
1

This is normal. People are just commodities today, and we are all "fungible." God bless modernity.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 06:34 PM
1

DemonicBtch, I understand what you're saying, but how is a man supposed to react when he sees a group of women chanting on YouTube against "men's rights," suggesting that men have "no right" to complain about anything? How is that ANY DIFFERENT from the misogynists on Reddit? If "feminists" are about limiting free speech, setting off fire alarms, blockading entry points, etc., then why shouldn't they be taken as PART of the problem instead of part of the solution? I think that feminists should c…
/r/MensRights19/06/13 06:22 PM
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As I said in my post, the more obnoxious a person is to other people, generally the less respect they have for themselves as well.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 06:18 PM
1

No, what I am saying is this: To say that something "harms" society would be to say that it harms all members of the society (even if the harm is distributed unequally). For example, whites in the south were "harmed" by racism against African Americans. Or, heterosexuals are "harmed" by homophobia against gay people. Or, a celibate person is harmed by the rape of a sexually promiscuous person. I can go on and on. The premise is that a societal harm hurts ALL members of society, not just the vict…
/r/MensRights19/06/13 03:35 PM
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This was well argued, and I hate to say it, but I actually agree with you more than I'd like to admit. The thing is, though, that feminists are trying to portray the MRM as a movement that is all about bashing women, a movement of misogynists that are trying to retain their "male privilege" by distorting the perspective of impressionable men (and women, although feminists will always hasten to add that the movement is "dominated by men"). Therefore, even if there is substantial evidence to suppo…
/r/MensRights19/06/13 03:15 PM
1

Yes but taking the feminist argument to its logical conclusion, if "patriarchy," roughly defined as the domination of women by men, is bad for society, wouldn't that mean that it is bad for ALL people (men included?). Why would it ONLY be bad for women? Do you see my point? When a crime is committed, in addition to the victim suffering harm, society is harmed, which is why a crime is prosecuted by the state and not by the civil courts (which adjudicate disputes between private parties). Therefor…
/r/MensRights19/06/13 02:59 PM
1

"Gender roles" harm men and women. I think that radical feminists are loathe to acknowledge that men quite often are disadvantaged by their gender roles, in some cases just as much so, if not more so, than women. This is logical. The real question to ask feminists, why do men feel the need to create their own movement to get their voice out? Shouldn't feminists be embracing an honest and open discussion of men's issues? Why is it so dangerous? Even accepting the feminist argument that women are …
/r/MensRights19/06/13 02:55 PM
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I agree with your point, but in my opinion the solution is to seriously examine the mandatory arrest and prosecution policies that are already in place in many jurisdictions. I don't think the solution is necessarily to send more women to jail for domestic violence. A police office is dispatched to investigate a domestic violence call and he/she is already looking to arrest someone, anyone. The issue first should be: who is abusing whom? Very often the battered spouse (male or female) learns to …
/r/MensRights19/06/13 02:50 PM
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Fair enough, Eulabeia, but by arguing the point with the feminists, I think that the MRAs are playing right into the feminists' hands. It shouldn't even matter whether women are more oppressed than men: if men have legitimate issues that are not being addressed, that is a problem that needs to be corrected, period, because it is affecting men, women, children, society, etc., just like it would with any other group (including women, children, etc.). To me, the feminist "patriarchy" argument, in t…
/r/MensRights19/06/13 11:45 AM
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