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No. I think the fact that she tells people about it makes it seem like she thinks it’s cool to get pumped and dumped by a famous dude. It’s not the right mindset to have. Even if I did sleep with a famous person, I wouldn’t go around bragging about a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:28 PM
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Why do women love famous men so much. It’s like they all get asked to sleep with them and think it’s some type of flex if they do or if they’re asked to. It makes them seem gross and shallow. I respect you more for turning it down but women who tell those stories with pride really make me sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:38 PM
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A girl in her 20s can be just somewhat attractive and sleep with a celebrity if she wants. I know someone who did and she’s not super attractive. Men can’t and don’t even want to because we don’t have a weird complex where we want to get pumped and dumped by famous people like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:36 PM
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If the man is a celebrity. Better looking, or the ideal race the woman wants, and she knows she won’t get caught. She will cheat. Same with men to a slightly lower extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:32 PM
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I know a 6/10 7/10 at best who slept with a guy you hear on the radio.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:31 PM
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Yeah I know one who did also. She thinks it makes her cool but every guy who knows her just viewed her as gross because she’d rather get fucked once by a famous guy than have someone actually love her. Women who are like this aren’t worth our time. They see men as objects not people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:57 PM
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We agree we just disagree on what gender does it more. Sure some women don’t care as much, but you still have to meet relatively high physical standards and most are purely genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 02:53 AM
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You said it yourself it doesn’t make sense to let one trait dictate dating. I don’t think men do this and a lot of women don’t either. However some put a ton of emphasis on one thing weather that’s looks height or money and I’m saying that makes no sense. People are so much more than what we take them for at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:48 AM
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In this context something being not relevant and worthless are basically the same thing. One is just a harsher way of putting it. Most men on here have had some type of relationship with women and have tried to ask them out but been rejected. Usually just because of the way they look. In my view everyone has experienced relationships in different ways and a romantic relationship is not the only way of seeing experiencing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:11 PM
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It depends on the question and personal life experience. Everyone has a unique perspective and the fact that a man hasn’t been in a relationship doesn’t discredit his perspective as OP suggests. They may have heard stories from friends and family, or have close relationships outside of romantic ones that they can also offer a unique perspective on. Some men aren’t attractive and can’t be in a relationship, that doesn’t mean their perspective is worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:46 PM
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Every man I spend time with takes care of themselves to a high degree, in body and mind, practices good hygiene, wears nice clothes etc. However some of these guys aren’t sought after by any woman. Nobody is attracted to them Dispite doing everything you referenced. What you’re talking about is a just saying men as a whole are less attractive than women and that’s really a silly notion. You can’t even compare those two things. If a man is not physically desirable after going to the gym and takin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:42 PM
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Attempting to get dates and talking to women are experiences that are relevant to this sub. If you have attempted to get a date like 30 times and every woman says no or flakes on you, that experience is absolutely relevant to this sub. Just because someone has never been in a relationship doesn’t mean they don’t know how dating works. They just are probably not seen as attractive by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:36 PM
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I don’t understand how a man who is just not tall is the same as an ugly woman. It is one trait yet some women let it dictate their entire dating lives. No that doesn’t make any sense. Men might have preferences in looks, but those preferences don’t result in us leaving out nearly as much women as women do for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:34 PM
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Great way of summing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:23 PM
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When the requirement is something that has no actual benefit like height. And you’re discriminating against all other men who don’t have that height. It’s not a preference it’s just discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:20 PM
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How are men “lagging in physical desirability” and “most will catch on”. No one gender is more attractive than the other it’s just the fact that women disqualify most men for things they can’t control like height. And for that reason those men will never “catch on” and will die alone for simply being an inch or two below the national average height. Make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:19 PM
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Yeah. If women never found you attractive before. And they magically do once you get money. They are gold diggers. I have similar feelings but I just decided after I make money I won’t talk to women ever again. If they actually liked us they would have before we got wealth
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:08 PM
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For women: 1. Height 2. Looks 3. Charisma For men: 1.Looks 2. Personality 3. Values (self respect)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:04 PM
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In a way this makes sense. However if 99% of women find me unattractive, then I might as well try to get all of their numbers for the chance of that 1% of women who might actually like me. I know I’ll get rejected almost every time anyway so why would I not try.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:03 PM
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Most of these men want to date women but no women find them attractive. Talking about those experiences might challenge your world view. But they are valid and it is extremely difficult for young men to date anyone so as a result most guys on here and most young men in general have never been on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:00 PM
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Seriously. It’s crazy that people write that nonsense and don’t realize it’s messed up. It would be like me saying every girl that’s not conventionally attractive is a “lowlife”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:23 PM
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Great way of summing up how some women view it. In reality being nice should have nothing to do with attraction. Women who like assholes are selling themselves short thinking they can’t find an attractive/interesting man who’s nice. By being assholes to themselves they come up with every way they can think of to justify disliking nice men, however the root of this problem is that they subconsciously know they’re not good people themselves. This is not all women but I would say a slight majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:35 AM
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Key word: Tall
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:10 PM
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Women get mad for men having basic preferences yet in the same breath say how they find all men under 6 ft gross and not real men. Make it make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:09 PM
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They don’t directly shame inexperienced men the shame comes from the fact that the inexperience is seen as super unattractive and creates a never ending cycle where we will never be able to find love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:50 PM
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A term women use when they reject you because you aren’t tall good looking enough or have a blue check mark
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:48 PM
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Yeah and that is why women care more about material things: looks, height, status. Above everything else, they want to bolster their image.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:07 AM
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Men who are attractive do but for the larger portion of us who aren’t we don’t mind them because that’s one of the only ways we can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 06:03 AM
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It’s not just about getting laid. Imagine being told you can never get laid or find love because of something stupid like how tall you are. Only a woman would think that’s okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:49 AM
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None of them are. And none of those men will meet her standards anyway unless they are seen as “better” than any guy she’s ever been with. I’ve experienced it first hand with these women. They have sex with a b list famous person one time and their ego inflates to think that’s all they deserve. Women want social clout. Men just want someone they’re attracted to and can spend time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 03:30 PM
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Most women yeah. They want to move up the social ladder
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 02:34 AM
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It seems racist when white women think other races are better than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 09:19 PM
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Interesting. It seems like a lot of white people weather it be men or women don’t prefer other white people. I would say white men have it the worst with the preferences of white women moving to other races at a slightly higher rate. Doesn’t make sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 04:09 PM
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What race are you? And what race do you prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:45 PM
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It really is not that difficult for a man to be unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:20 AM
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At the end of the day you cannot change your looks race or height so if that combination is unattractive it’s best to accept that and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:09 AM
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Guess we just have different experiences then. It could also just be unique to my demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:22 PM
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Typical dumbass woman opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:10 PM
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That would make more sense. I’m not saying there’s no outliers. That’s just what I see as a general trend for my demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:05 PM
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Could be the circles I’m in but I’ve never seen a woman prefer a less talkative man to a more talkative one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:53 PM
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This is true. However not how most women see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:37 PM
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You also don’t know me and immediately assume this about me. Most guys I know don’t know exactly what it means either. They just go out and act natural and relaxed and don’t have issues. I do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:09 PM
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It’s how they judge confidence. Most women think they have some 6th sense to judge unconfident men. But they just end up saying I’m not “confident” because I don’t always have shit to say to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:07 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:01 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:32 AM
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No. A random person who doesn’t know me won’t be able to locate the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:50 AM
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When I act like everyone else does and none of them have any issues. I know I have some other things that women find unattractive. No idea what they are though. Thanks for telling me whats obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:45 AM
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I just don’t think it’s helpful at all based on my life experience
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:38 AM
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I already do trust myself and am confident
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:28 AM
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Most women especially those in my generation judge confidence off of this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:29 AM
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Most women are quick to judge men who aren’t loud as unconfident. I’ve seen this many times
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:24 AM
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Most women think being quiet means you’re not confident
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:51 AM
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No and that is not the personality women want. They want loud “confident” men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:20 AM
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I know women chase after the best thing they can get weather their priority is looks money or status. If you’re not at the top of any of those things you aren’t desirable as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 11:33 PM
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If women didn’t want you before and all the sudden they do once you have money or something. Identify if they aren’t actually attracted to you and just trying to use you for something (weather that be money, status, connections etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 10:35 PM
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The others were settled for. Only 20% of men will ever be attractive to any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:26 PM
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The majority of young men will never be attractive to any woman so they have good reason to be pressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:21 PM
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Most women do care about the same things that’s why it is generally seen as unattractive to be short, quiet, etc. It’s really not that complicated, women view most men as unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:20 PM
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It’s the only way it can be. If you’re an attractive man then you can be attracted to girls you’re friends with. If you’re not, realize you’re gonna get rejected and quit while you’re ahead. Women who “just see you as a friend” are just saying you’re too ugly to date but if your personality was in a different body it would be no problem. I don’t respect people who think that about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:12 PM
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If I’m friends with them and attracted to them I’ll eventually ask them out and they will reject me. Then I stop being friends with them. This is why all girls I’m friends with now I’m not attracted to and it should stay that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:25 PM
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It didn’t work but it was a study showing over half of men 18-25 haven’t had sex in a year or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:46 PM
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What “effort” do women put in? All the men I know in relationships aren’t putting in some type of effort different than men who aren’t. They just found a woman attracted to them. Some guys can’t, and if they are fit and practice good hygiene etc. and still can’t get a woman to like them then there’s not much more they can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 01:27 PM
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Well they have 50 dudes in their phone already so unless you’re more attractive than all 50. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:19 AM
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define sexless Most men in my age group go years without having a single woman attracted to them. Clearly women have higher expectations, case closed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 10:24 PM
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The 6’7 biracial millionaire didn’t match with them yet. All other men make them throw up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:11 PM
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Having a family that pays for your school isn’t some type of Uber rich thing to do. It applies to about half the guys I know and none of us are extremely wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:57 PM
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I don’t have a job and I can do whatever I want all day. Someone sounds jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:46 PM
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What’s that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:39 PM
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Missed the part where I have a wage or am a slave. Pretty much do whatever I want all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:39 PM
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Women like sassy attractive men and don’t like sassy unattractive men. Simply, women like attractive men and don’t like unattractive men. This personality trait makes no difference
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:05 PM
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Pretty much
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:51 PM
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Women only want men other women want. Otherwise they aren’t competing with anyone and they get bored. That’s why they see desperation as unattractive because it shows other women don’t like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:49 PM
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I’m not sure. I’m white, I’m 5’10, I’m slight above average looking but not great looking. Women were in from have really high standards and actually like minorities more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:22 PM
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Well at least they aren’t avoiding you so you’re not physically repulsive. Personality can be more subjectively attractive. So there’s still hope for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:58 PM
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I visualize myself living alone forever because I know I’ll never get a partner. Every time I go in public women actively avoid me or any guy I’m with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:36 PM
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Shows at least a third are sexless. That’s really crazy considering there’s no way all those men are as disgusting as women say they are. That’s millions of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:42 PM
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A pretty large chunk are sexless and not all of those men are deformed or autistic like the post suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:18 PM
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Every man I know including myself is average to slightly above average and almost all of us struggle to find any women interested in us. This is a false narrative especially for young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:05 PM
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This has to be bait 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:56 PM
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We aren’t wage slaves we are getting an education at the moment. Red pillers don’t necessarily do anything differently than others. We have a different mindset that we move through life with and that’s the main difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:25 PM
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Nobody said you did but given the question: Who has more unrealistic expectations? And given the fact women don’t give the time of day to 30-60% of gen Z men. We can conclude women have more unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:42 AM
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Ok. Clearly you don’t see this as a problem, I do, you will see as this number gradually increases and it looks like this is what’s going on that this is a real problem that effects millions of men. Women won’t even give them the time of day because of the way they were born
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:00 AM
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Most of the men I am friends with are fellow redpillers. Common traits are: calling things like they are, putting facts over feelings, not caving into the way the matrix wants us to live our lives. It all comes down to not caring what those people say, they can feed themselves whatever lies they want since they can’t face the facts of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:12 AM
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Not until compared to men over 6ft. Studies of OLD show only 15% of women would date a 5’8 man and 5’9 is only one inch taller so I’m sure it’s a similar percentage
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:16 PM
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It indicates majority of gen z men are single and sexless
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:15 PM
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Gen Z
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 10:31 PM
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Well the majority of men in my generation who want a relationship do not get one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 10:23 PM
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Average woman weighs more and makes less money in the USA. Men are required to be tall fit and handsome. The reason you are saying this is simply because women raised the standards with men. They have not improved anything as a group if anything they’ve become less attractive in recent generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:43 PM
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it’s a majority of young men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:23 PM
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They’re expectations are so high that a 20 year old woman would think she deserves a 25+ year old man. Sharing men is also higher expectations because that shows that so little men meet their requirements they would rather be the second third or fourth choice of a “high value man”. Whatever way you cut it or excuse you give for that stat shows higher expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:16 PM
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/amp/ it’s impossible to know how much people have sex, however it’s reasonable to think it’s significantly less frequent than women based on a much larger group of young men not being in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:07 PM
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Roughly half of young men and women are not looking for a relationship. Yet more young women are in relationships than young men. Conclusion: they are knowingly or unkowningly sharing men in the top 20%. Those are the only men women find attractive barring rare outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:03 PM
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The fact that more young men are not in relationships than young women by a significant gap shows higher expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:49 PM
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I mean at least you get to go on a date. Showcase your personality. Most men don’t even get the chance to do this. Idgaf about buying someone dinner I’m not poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:23 PM
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Women are always looking for the next best thing. If a 6ft celebrity comes along there’s a solid chance she’ll leave you for him even if you have a real connection. Women can walk away from that if they think it will benefit them in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:22 PM
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I am not cheap or lazy and neither is anyone I know yet most men I know struggle to find women attracted to them. There is actually proof of the claim that most men are unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:20 PM
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Women just can’t recognize their own value. A 7/10 woman thinks they deserve a 10/10 man while a 7/10 man would except anything over a 6/10 woman. The simple conclusion is that women can’t recognize their own worth
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:37 PM
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Most are not having consistent sex and it only happens once every 6-12 months. For young men. Over half are not in a relationship or not having sex. For women in the same age group those numbers aren’t as high. This just shows women have higher standards/expectations. Especially young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:02 PM
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In previous generations this was more common but usually you’ll find average to slightly above average gen z men alone because women on their level chase 20% only.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:31 AM
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The question is who has higher expectations. Women clearly do when they all chase and share the top 20% of men while the other 80% of men are left out even the ones who are somewhat good looking. Women have higher expectations as I’m sure you know. Men date equally attractive women on their level, women only will accept dating a man in the upper 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:26 AM
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Great advice for women. For men it doesn’t matter if you’re fit or fat if you’re not tall and/or handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:21 AM
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Still shows unrealistic expectations. It shows they all feel entitled to the same upper 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:20 AM
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Sometimes yes sometimes no. If I do I will ask them out and they will reject me. I’ll then proceed to no be friends with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:00 AM
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Women definitely, it’s been proven by studies showing they find most men unattractive. That alone shows unrealistic expectations and higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:59 AM
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I never am and never will be. Due to physical limitations
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 10:54 PM
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Women don’t have x ray vision through our pants. I have a large penis and women find me repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 10:15 PM
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No. My dad would have never passed on his genetics in todays world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:27 PM
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Doesn’t matter. Do whatever you want. If you aren’t attractive women won’t be attracted to you. It’s not rocket science
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:24 PM
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Women only find 20% of men to be 5/10 or above. Define average: is it women’s average or actual average
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 04:23 PM
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Maybe not 7 years ago but I think like 20 years ago height and looks didn’t matter as much. A lot of parents passed on inferior and unwanted genetics witch women now are repulsed by. How come so many men have to be alone when their fathers passed on their genetics. Women’s standards must have raised that’s the only explanation. This happened gradually over the past 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:35 PM
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In terms of issues for young men with dating I believe that’s the best and only answer as to why things are the way they are for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:33 PM
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Men and women care about looks. The bar is just heigher for men. Studies show most men are unattractive to women. Sure some of this is our own fault. But the numbers show 80% of men are unattractive, ok, so not all of those guys are fat super ugly or don’t take showers (etc.) so at a certain point you are at the mercy of your own genetics. I think a lot of time men who point out this simple fact seem like we’re blaming women but in reality we are blaming human nature. Women are wired to only wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:03 AM
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I am personally entertained. However a large portion of men are angry because they’ve been ignored and unwanted by half the people in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 05:57 AM
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Nobody is entitled to anything but given that most men are unattractive to women and women have no incentive to settle for these men (witch is the majority). Then society will collapse. It’s more of an observation
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 05:17 AM
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I agree to an extent but I think throughout history women also found most men unattractive but just had more reasons to settle. They don’t have this today, and yes, it is an obvious precursor to society’s collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:00 AM
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I would argue otherwise. Why are so many young men single. Their parents brought them into this world surely not all of them are not meant to reproduce. Where is that gap bridged?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 10:45 PM
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Elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 05:31 PM
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Looks and height were significantly less important 8 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:47 PM
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It’s a me issue and it’s also an issue the majority of other men have
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:46 PM
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Women ☕️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:45 PM
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Sex doesn’t need to be in the picture. However as men we are wired to want that. If you’re an unattractive man you’re gonna be lonely no matter what even if you are friends with women that doesn’t satisfy your need as a man. That’s the truth weather people want to hear it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:45 PM
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Nobody said it’s oppressive but when an entire group ignores you based on genetic factors of course men won’t have a great opinion of that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:41 PM
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Yes. Most men are naturally unattractive to women. I’m agreeing with you just putting the argument in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:22 AM
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They think it makes them attractive to fuck a ton of dudes the way they all want to fuck the guys who get all the girls. There have been studies on this and it’s and endless and vicious cycle that leaves out roughly 80% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:18 AM
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Well to most men they are the same thing and a woman that isn’t attracted to us cannot care for us in the way that we want. Outside of our family (mothers sisters etc.) men don’t feel loved or cared for when women are clearly uninterested in them. I get it’s different views but this is just why the vast majority of men couldn’t care less about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:16 AM
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They think that about men who are naturally unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 08:08 AM
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Well women ignore most men. Will never be attracted to us, or care about us in any way. So why would we care about them? We wouldn’t and we don’t. When an entire group of people dislikes me because of the way I was born, I don’t have to give a shit about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:13 AM
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Height standards have gone up post pandemic due to social medias increased presence. Yes there are some outliers, but those men are exceptionally good looking. An above average man at 5’9 or below isn’t attractive to gen z women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:08 AM
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Men have to do so much to even be slightly attractive to women and even then if you are not tall you aren’t attractive. I know a good looking funny 5’9 guy who is very fit and women just don’t like him. It seems like height is the barrier for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 06:48 AM
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It doesn’t matter. There has been times when I’m sober, times when I’m not. I’m not attractive to women. The least I can do for myself is have a good time
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 06:35 AM
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Most aren’t good people so when one is they get praised. For men it’s the expectation so women reward assholes because they stand out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:16 PM
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Lol I do coke every weekend. No woman has ever been attracted to me. Get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:15 PM
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Most men cannot get in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:42 AM
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Shamed more and it’s harder for them to attract women. Makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 09:38 PM
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It’s still a good outlet for men who can’t be in a relationship because they don’t meet woman’s standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 09:30 PM
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Women don’t have emotional connections like men. We are nothing more than an item to them. Great points!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:34 PM
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Men do not have nearly the same standards as women. Porn is used by average men to have any type of release because women will not give men not in the top 20% the time of day
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:30 PM
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No. They know these men will cheat, it’s part of the chase for them. Women don’t talk to men not in the top 20% case closed
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:28 PM
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Women like low testosterone anyway. I have more testosterone than most of their skinny drug addict boyfriends. They don’t care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:01 PM
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Women cannot love the same way period. They have a screwed up concept of love usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:59 PM
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It just makes us respect the woman less. Unfortunately that is how most women act.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:31 PM
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Not true. I am in great shape and so are all my friends. We’re in our 20s above average looking and in good shape, yet still unattractive to most women. The bar is just extremely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:28 PM
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The way the world is today. Ask any man on here age 20-35
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:44 AM
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Very true. Although I feel it’s mostly women due to entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 11:02 PM
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To a child yes. To a grown adult, these people aren’t interesting, they’re pathetic. Depends on how you look at it and men and women look at it in very different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:43 PM
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Their idea of “interesting and driven” doesn’t match the true definition of those words.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:30 PM
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Personality standards is low. But the looks and height standard is much heigher than it is for men compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:27 PM
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Right right. Or maybe men and women just have different skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:25 PM
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They realize it makes them look shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:24 PM
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Men created the infrastructure and buildings that allow us to to wash our ass. Not to mention so much more. Y’all just sound bitter. It’s immature not to recognize both men and women bring different positive traits to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:54 AM
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Nobody should do anything it’s simply a fact that 80% of men are unattractive to women. And that is pointed out every day on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:52 AM
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Women usually like bad people more. They think it makes men more masculine to be inconsiderate and/or crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:49 AM
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Men are capable of all this. If you’re arguing that women don’t need men I’m not arguing with you. Men and women don’t need each other. In a perfect relationship it’s like a ying yang. OP arguing that a dog provides more love and companionship than a human man is laughable if a man said this about women people would be going crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:48 AM
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What do women “bring to the table”?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:34 AM
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There’s no narrative you’ll hear coming from me. Women just have high standards and they don’t get lonely like men do. They do not view relationships in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 06:38 PM
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The women don’t care they are perfectly fine being alone if a top 20% man doesn’t come along.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:45 PM
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Still leaves a lot of men in their 20s left out. Including a chunk that are above average themselves. Nothing can be done about it but it may have social and political consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:07 PM
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This is true weather women like it or not. They can argue all day. They have insane standards and don’t even view 7/10 men attractive. Only 8s and up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:51 PM
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Women do not want to settle down with men they aren’t attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:44 AM
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There’s no data to suggest that women find less attractive men to be better in bed and still the fact remains there’s a baseline level that must be met for men and women. The difference is that level is much higher for men. Establishing and maintaining relationships is down more to chemistry but women are more likely to leave if they believe they have a better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 10:09 PM
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If women become attracted after time that means the man is extremely charismatic/has good game etc. however if a man woman were initially attracted to also had that they would leave the first man in a heartbeat for him. You’ve lost before the game even started for 80% of gen Z men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:10 PM
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Women don’t want to appear shallow. The fact is most men are unattractive to women so for the few men who are have fun. If you are in the majority of men that aren’t you better hope a woman settles for you but if any of those other men come along she will leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:26 PM
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I would say that men and women are equally as attractive but women have higher standards. They can recognize a man might not be bad looking, but if he’s not taller or better looking than most other men he isn’t attractive. Men do not view attraction like that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:22 PM
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They have endless streams of men who meet their requirements. This smaller group of men gets the majority of attention from women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:36 PM
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Women have extremely inflated standards due to social media
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:23 PM
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Most men who are younger and not in the top 10% of men are chronically single. This is due to gen Z women having inflated expectations and most men cannot give them what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 01:44 PM
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For gen Z those rates are sharply declining and average men have a harder and harder time every year
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 01:42 PM
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Not at nearly the same rate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 01:41 PM
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Most men are unattractive to women. The bar is most definitely higher for men. Just because you know outliers does not mean this is not a common trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:51 AM
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Men and women both care about looks. Women universally care about looks and height while men do not. It just adds another requirement to being an attractive man. As studies have shown women find most men unattractive but men do not find most women unattractive. This is due to women having more standards than men. While some standards like looks are true for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 03:07 AM
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In any social setting you can see that the women who are given the most attention are usually the best looking or outgoing. For men it is a combination of more and height is involved in that. No guy I know has ever mentioned height as something they look for in a woman. Most women I know want a tall man. Tall men are more attractive to women than tall women are to men. If what you were saying is true men would be all over tall women in clubs the way women are to tall men. Step outside and you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 02:34 AM
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Women do not view attraction in the same way and there’s multiple studies showing the vast majority of men are unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 02:22 AM
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That is not true. An attractive short woman will have no problem generating Intrest. Short men who are otherwise attractive will face much more discrimination. The bar is also much higher for men with women saying they want men over 6ft witch is like 15% of men. Men are absolutely not giving extra attention to 15% of women based on height. They don’t care unless you are in the absolute bottom percentile of height and even then some men don’t care at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 02:19 AM
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Lmao. My point is that men are not nearly as critical about height as women are. If anything men like short women more. For men a key component of attraction is being tall, it’s not the same for women, there’s no “spotlight” this is just facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:17 PM
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Based on women’s attitudes towards men below 6ft and the way they treat tall men. Women treat tall men the same way men treat 10/10 supermodels, make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:22 PM
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It does women are wired to get the best possible person and they will keep working towards that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:21 PM
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Someone else said it. Why would we care even if this is true. We aren’t going to change our personalities. Women like these men for who they are naturally they aren’t putting on an act and if they were women would be able to tell. If women are naturally turned off by your personality that’s just how it is for you. We are all unique and shouldn’t change for anyone or what societal norm is being pushed at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:45 AM
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Why would you want to. Everyone was made unique by god and you shouldn’t change your personality for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:42 AM
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Women literally just want a man over 6ft. If you’re not, you can still find women who will be attracted to you. But they will leave you if an equally attractive tall guy comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:39 AM
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Not at even close to the same rate or with the same scrutiny that men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:36 AM
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Ding ding. They conveniently ignore this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:36 AM
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The notion that saying women aren’t attracted to men with certain traits mean they hate these men or that we think they hate us is totally misplaced. Not being attracted to someone is not the same as hate and most men get this. We don’t think women hate us, we are simply pointing out facts of nature it’s not personal to women it’s not like they can control what they’re attracted to. However, men have more traits that make them unattractive to women than women have towards men; simply put the bar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:25 AM
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Above average in every category doesn’t equal attractive. For women you have to be the top of at least one category. That’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:33 PM
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Me and the majority of men I know are attractive men at 5’9 and below and don’t have women interested in them. Maybe one will be once in a blue moon, but for the most part it is a huge uphill battle from that height and below.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:20 PM
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Women settle as they get older. A 5’9 or below young man will have a hard time attracting women unless he’s the top of a category. Above average in most categories doesn’t cut it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:40 PM
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😂Sometimes I can’t tell with people on here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:15 PM
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Yeah, they are, it’s the same thing as a man rejecting all women who don’t have big tits. I would say that man is shallow and not worth it anyway. Same goes for women. Anyone who argues with this simple fact just wants to back up their shallow requirements
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:09 PM
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If you’re 20-25 you can be up to 7/10 and if you’re 5’9 or below that will be overruled due to the new height restrictions
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:34 PM
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Leave
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 05:41 AM
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Varied for famous tall and good looking celebrities. Women value status money and fame over everything
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:50 AM
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If you’re a man at 5’9 or below, you will be left behind even if you’re good looking and have good personality/social skills. That’s how bad it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:41 AM
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Exactly. Women will only be with a man that is not at the top if they’re settling. If those men came along they would leave in a second
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:19 AM
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We don’t overrate ourselves, women just have insanely high standards. For example could be good looking but if you’re 5’9 or below it’s over
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:22 AM
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Height, looks, and/or social status
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 12:19 AM
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Being in a different generation. I’d be successful also if I was born 10 years before I was. Most of my friends have problems attracting women also and we’re all good looking in shape, smart, confident etc. just having those qualities isn’t guaranteeing you any woman will be attracted to you. Men are fed this lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:44 PM
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Because women’s standards have raised. Above average is not attractive to the vast majority of gen Z women. They want things that most other men don’t have and just being confident in shape and good looking is a category that most young men fall into. Yet young men struggle to get interest from women consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:40 PM
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I’m 21 and have a very similar profile to you. For younger women you need something that puts you over the edge to be attractive. Those qualities alone are not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:29 PM
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Most people are the issue is that a woman has to view you as the top in most of those categories to find you attractive. Being well rounded and above average won’t get you anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:25 PM
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Even if a man is good looking and has a good body. If he’s not tall or high status he is not attractive to women. This is why only the top 20% of men can find love. If you’re even close but not in the top group, you are still unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:23 PM
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This is not coming from one of those men. Average height, good physique and above average looks with average social skills is unattractive to women. Me and millions of other men are in that group
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:12 PM
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It just is a fact of not being able to hold a relationship for long if that guy is competing with you as a man. Immature impulsive men cheat, women will just leave you for what they deem a better option and most men are in that boat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:26 PM
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There’s millions of other men in that same boat that are looked over by women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:25 PM
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Say what you want but millions of men are being left out because they are near the threshold but cannot meet it because it’s not possible for them. You must be providing something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:49 PM
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Maybe true but given that you said yourself most men won’t be a woman’s first choice there’s nothing stopping her from leaving when that man comes along. Yes 90% of women aren’t men’s first choice either but men don’t think in the same terms they more have a threshold that needs to be met and personality is the tiebreaker
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:47 PM
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Holding your own isn’t the same. Women only look for the best possible, they won’t settle for a little below the top. There’s millions of men in that category that are ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:23 AM
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Yeah but if any man of a higher caliber competed with you it wouldn’t work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:33 AM
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Not only care about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:21 PM
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90% of men will never be any woman’s first choice. As a result we work to try to be in that upper 10% but it’s mostly genetics. We just need to accept we will never be loved and when we are it’s temporary because women would leave for any man they deem “better” instantly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:20 PM
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90% of men will never be any woman’s first choice. We just need to accept we aren’t perfect and women only want men they think are perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:19 PM
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Women value resources but will still leave their man for anyone who can give more resources and more physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:18 PM
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90% of men will never be any woman’s first choice that’s just the way it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:17 PM
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Yeah. Basically they’ll leave for anyone that gives them that feeing more so as a man you are never anyone’s first choice
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:16 PM
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Exactly. Can’t magically change our faces or heights
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:56 AM
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Exactly. Men need to accept that women are inherently only want the best men and will leave them in a second if that man shows up. For most of us it was over before it started because our genetics bar us from being in that top percentage of men. So yes, it’s how nature intended it but it’s not necessarily our fault
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:50 AM
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When I realized any woman would leave their man for a rich or famous man. Most women just have convinced themselves they can’t have that but we will never be their first choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:46 AM
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Because they know they’d leave their man for a slightly taller or better looking or more rich/famous man. So they won’t get in a relationship unless they genuinely think they can’t do any better. And no woman will settle even if you have chemistry
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:03 AM
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Exactly. Women argue against this but they all know it’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:02 AM
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Their idea of attractive is unattainable for the vast majority of men no matter what they do. Even above average men will not match with equally above average woman. The premise of your argument is true but the attraction scale is totally biased in women’s favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:55 AM
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Wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:08 AM
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Most gen Z women would do that. They are just clout chasers
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:07 PM
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Yeah they don’t really know what it means to be “smart” it’s more about conforming to the standard and personality women look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:15 PM
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I know for a fact this is true. Women would rather be a famous man’s one night stand than date an average to above average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:11 PM
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It 100% is. Women care about status way more than men and their concept of “love” flies out the window when status is involved. Men just want a women who loves them, they don’t care about fame. I have seen it time and time again, women ONLY want good looks, fame/status. No man would leave a girl he loves because of that it’s not something we care about. Continue making excuses for clout chasing whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:33 AM
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Women will just get ghosted by b list celebs addicted to drugs and think it’s a flex. Men don’t care about that nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:57 AM
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No. Gen Z women aren’t sticking around. Gen Z men don’t care bc we don’t value status that much. Your entire comment shows why men in my generation will die alone. Women just want to wait until a famous man comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:55 AM
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You are in the minority. In terms of gen Z women, 90% of them would leave any man they are with for someone even semi famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:41 AM
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Now that you know it’s so easy why don’t you just do it. Obviously any famous man is better than any man you talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:11 AM
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To women any famous man is attractive and of course they will sleep with them whenever even if the man will leave them after almost garenteed. It doesn’t matter, women just want status they have no concept of love or connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:09 AM
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Still effects men like me the same exact way it did before. You can get caught up over numbers but our lives are still effected in the same way. Not like you care, it doesn’t effect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:00 AM
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No it really doesn’t. The fact that women only want the top 20% of men (tall handsome rich/famous) shows why so many men struggle to get any women to even talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:57 AM
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Why are you even asking. Just trying to take the same path as them. Have fun getting ghosted by a b list cleb addicted to perocet. I’m sure he can deliver the status you want for just 20 minutes. Women have no sense of morals or what love really is, they just want to climb the social ladder
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:55 AM
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They are fucking b list celebrities that you probably have heard of but aren’t worth shit and definitely don’t care about the girls. They don’t care, they want status even if it means they probably get ghosted. No average man stands a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:52 AM
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It applies to 90% of gen Z women. Numbers don’t matter when it effects the majority of men that same way. Women can have fun getting ghosted by b list celebrities and dying alone. They aren’t worth the toliet they shit on and any man with any type of self respect has already come to terms with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:51 AM
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We’ll you’re in a small minority
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:36 AM
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Online
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:12 AM
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Things havnt evolved at all. That’s why men who don’t fit the primal requirements women want are still left behind just like they were in the stone ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 02:06 AM
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I’m the USA for gen Z women you have to be one of those things to be attractive to women. I’m not saying that’s how it should be I’m just saying it’s unrealistic for every attractive girl to get a good looking 6ft famous man. But they all think that’s the only man they should have and won’t settle
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 02:05 AM
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Polygamy has and always will be a thing. Women are geared to the top 20% so that doesn’t mean you are in it just because your ancestors were. DNA is constantly changing and improving. The fact is women havnt evolved past that point. My bad on the 40% marker, it’s not cited in this study but on other studies expanding on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:36 AM
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Because the only men that are considered are the ones that meet the predetermined uncontrollable requirements. If women didn’t exclude so many men they would have better luck
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:25 AM
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Not once did I say they are terrible because of that. I am just pointing out why it is so many more men struggle than women, it’s a biological mechanism. It’s not women’s fault it’s just part of their biology to want only the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:18 AM
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https://www.livescience.com/47976-more-mothers-in-human-history.html
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:12 AM
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Women will leave their man for any man that is better looking/taller or has a higher status level famous/rich/athlete/influencer
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:12 AM
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Well most men are dented the opportunity to even be in a relationship and give support to any woman if they don’t meet the requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:51 PM
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They will wait until a tall good or looking or rich/famous man comes along. If they realize they can’t have any of those men then only then will they settle for men not like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:51 PM
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Having things in common being easy to talk to and relate to. Really doesn’t take much to please a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:49 PM
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Just them being nice funny and pretty. I don’t care about height or status in anyway. The only thing both men and women care about is looks. With that said I don’t even care that much most women look pretty anyway. Most women think most men are disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:28 PM
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Not gonna say exactly but a medium college town in the usa.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:04 PM
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For women who have no concept of love then yes they will stay single. The only men those women would date are rich/famous ones as they provide some type of status they cannot get elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:03 PM
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Many women do remain single for a while until they realize that ideal man they all want doesn’t want them. That’s when they settle for men in the 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:50 PM
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They settled to be in some type of relationship than be alone because they know the famous guy isn’t gonna want them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:48 PM
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Yes. Me and others I have known have been left for tall/famous/rich men. Women simply value these things more than anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:47 PM
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It’s a biological mechanism. Only 40% of men in history have reproduced. Do some research
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:28 PM
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Young women don’t want real relationships they want status boosters. Any gen Z woman would leave their man if even a B list celebrity wanted them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:27 PM
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It’s not a lie. Maybe you’re not in gen Z but attractive gen Z women won’t even talk to men that aren’t one of the following: good-looking (8/10+ in face) tall, or famous/rich. That is literally the top three things women these days value there’s no getting around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:26 PM
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Most women have mastered the art of being fake. They will string multiple men along but eventually leave them if they make a move. They are really just waiting for a rich/famous man come along so they can use their fakness on him to get something
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:58 PM
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Seriously. It’s funny how women come on here and say they all have different preferences when the majority of men on here aren’t tall good looking or rich/famous and don’t have the natural personality women want. There is no way around it, if you aren’t attractive to women, none will ever date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:48 PM
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Women have a biological mechanism to only want tall good looking or rich/famous men. All we can do is accept that fact as men and distance ourselves from women. Nothing can be done to change the situation as it’s a result of thousands of years of evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:44 PM
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None of those people have had to compete with famous men for women. I’m telling you for a fact that any woman would leave their man if a good looking famous man wanted them. They care about status and sexual attraction first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:08 PM
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Ding ding ding. It’s not a factor. Real factors are looks height and money/fame. Every woman would leave their man if a good looking famous man wanted them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:07 PM
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Any woman that says they like their partner that isn’t any of those things is just settling. Those same women would leave in a heartbeat if any handsome or famous man wanted them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:50 PM
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Difference is you have to be famous tall or handsome to be attractive enough to be considered in a first place. A man with a good personality and not any of those things is just a good friend to girls. You need to be attractive in order to attract a partner, it’s not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:49 PM
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The date can never go well unless you have something women are looking for is my point. If you don’t have any of the key qualities (looks, height, fame) you will be left behind for someone that does unless a woman settles for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:37 PM
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You still need to have a baseline level of good looks in order for women to be attracted to you. You can’t get around that simple fact. Nothing you do can make up for it. I’m also in great shape and work on social skills, it doesn’t matter if you’re naturally unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:36 PM
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He is able to attract women because he is famous
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:34 PM
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This post is proving no matter what you do if you aren’t tall good looking or rich/famous AND have the natural personality women look for to get the “spark” you aren’t going to attract any women. The bar is at an unreachable height.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:27 PM
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Women don’t have to flirt. Men have to, if you were a man no woman would ever be attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:26 PM
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They simply have no awareness to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:19 PM
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The bar is on the floor if you are in the top 20% of men. If you aren’t then the bar is so high you’re basically screwed. Simple
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:18 PM
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It’s called not being sexually attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:16 PM
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Well some men naturally aren’t and don’t have the personality women look for. If you are naturally one of those men, and you aren’t tall good looking or rich/famous. You don’t have a chance, that is most men’s situation barring the small minority that just have the ideal personality type for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:13 PM
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It’s just an excuse women give if you aren’t good looking tall or handsome. Most people are nice, they just choose to be judgmental when it benefits them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:12 PM
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It really isn’t. Women naturally want the best possible dude they can get so the baseline is naturally higher than average and at least higher than the attractiveness of the women you are talking to. Usually they would rather be alone if they’re not with one of the men in the top 10-20%
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:09 PM
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No. And they never do. If you are good looking tall or famous/rich. You will be attractive to women. If not you won’t be, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:08 PM
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Most men don’t want all of that. Women just don’t want to commit to one man in hopes that a famous or rich man will come along and they can ride their success wave.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:05 PM
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You are simply underscoring the importance of those things. All other things you mentioned are true and can increase a man’s SMV. However he must meet a baseline level of physical attractiveness that is achieved through good looks, height, money/fame only.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:04 PM
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It’s called not being strong enough to handle a relationship. Most women aren’t, that’s why most are just only going for the top men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:11 AM
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You certainly need to be one of those things. Women aren’t going be attracted to you if you don’t have anything to offer and in todays times those are the things women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:33 AM
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Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:30 AM
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For women that doesn’t matter if you’re not super good looking, rich, tall or famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 12:57 AM
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They settled. All women want rich famous tall men and they’d leave their average bfs in a second for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 12:57 AM
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You’re missing the point. Women are less interested in dating because most young women now don’t want to love or be loved. But they still have sexual needs. They will run around with whatever “high value” men they want until they’re nearing 30 used up and emotionally broken. Me personally, I’m not gonna start banging whores because I can’t find love, I’d rather just walk away. Women usually ruin themselves because they’re convinced the perfect famous 10/10 millionaire will come along eventually …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 12:55 AM
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For women who are like that. They will probably end up alone. There’s only so man “best” men to go around. Normal people don’t think they deserve so much better than what they are. It’s crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:13 PM
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It’s not a real desire. The only thing that makes a 6ft man more attractive than a 5’10 man I the fact that not all women can get a 6ft boyfriend. It’s the cultural aspect of women only wanting the best or nothing. Regardless of all other qualities, if you lack height you’re fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:16 PM
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It’s blown way out of proportion. Women not even talking to men under 6ft is not part of biology. Even a few hundred years ago there wasn’t even any men over 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:51 PM
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Yeah. The height thing has no value in the real world it is just subconscious traumas manifesting in real life. It may be more attractive, but if women actually choose who to date based on height or won’t even consider 5’9 men compared to 6’ men they do have some serious mental flaws. That is most women and yes it’s because of a lack of a relationship with their fathers. Let’s face it, you don’t see men saying “I won’t date a girl unless she has a huge ass”. But women won’t even look at a man un…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 04:58 AM
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Be yourself if you have the genetics and loud assertive asshole personality women look for. If not, don’t be yourself, you’ll figure out there’s one specific type women are attracted to very fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:54 PM
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And the sky is also blue. It’s just the way the world is. With social media we see gen Z women do this even more
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:50 PM
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Anyone who says they wouldn’t is lying. As long as it’s not ridiculously higher than mine (5) but most women have much higher numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:03 PM
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No but they are unattractive to most women and will struggle to attract any.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:01 PM
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Yeah it does. I’m not saying that I do that but a lot of men do. Also it has to do with how women view this issue. Men naturally are repulsed by women with high body counts, most wouldn’t even consider dating one because of the natural disgust and the fact that she would cheat. Imo it’s not about other people have had it or not. It’s a reflection of the person and their values and a women who sleeps around doesn’t respect herself at all. There isn’t anything more unattractive for relationships. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:21 PM
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They want a good personality but only find roughly 20% of men attractive. If you’re not in that upper 20% as a man your screwed no matter how good your “personality” is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:13 PM
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Nobody said all women are good for is sex. All high body count women are good for is sex and they know it. Most women aren’t whores and have much more to bring to the table but that doesn’t mean I have to pretend like a woman who sleeps around doesn’t lose value, the fact is most men might fuck her but still view her as a disgusting person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:09 PM
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Right. Women who sleep around are seemingly always the ones trying to defend their behavior wanting to find any reason possible to make themselves feel better. The women that think all men want is sex are usually the ran through ones. All men want is sex from someone like that but with a girl who’s not like that they can value her for her entire personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:07 PM
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They enjoy the entertainment. These POS men will always have wives because there’s always women who want to be entertained by their shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:55 AM
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However it’s comical to compare it to weight. The fact is no uncontrollable genetic trait impacts women as much as height impacts men. Nobody said you have to find it attractive we just are pointing out women are more superficial than men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:54 AM
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It’s because they don’t know how to choose men properly. If these men are tall and good looking women will choose them no matter how much of a deadbeat they are. This is just the way it is. Of course it’s their fault, they might try to deflect the blame. But it’s just as much their fault as when men pick gold digger wives for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:07 PM
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Totally true. Height is by far the number one factor and isn’t even a factor for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:19 PM
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The same equivalent would just be women who are fit also just wanting a fit man. Instead they want a fit and tall man and you can’t control height.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:45 PM
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You can control your weight. Not your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:44 PM
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Yeah people can do whatever they want regardless. I’m just pointing out that young men who are single are looked down on a lot and most of the time they aren’t actually doing anything wrong they just don’t meet genetic requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:10 PM
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Ok that’s fine. This is a niche sub because there’s a lot of guys like me on here trying to tell people how it really is. I understand women base attractiveness on different things but our experiences show that a 9/10 girl is less attractive to a guy than a 9/10 guy is to a girl and because of that these men are able to sleep around and get a relationship whenever they want. It leaves entire groups of men out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:08 PM
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Right so you’ve never seen ugly dudes with attractive women I guess. But whatever, I’m not ugly I see men worse looking than me with women I find attractive. You’re right something else is going on it’s personality traits women find unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:00 PM
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Women don’t care about looks as much as you think. It’s the personality they all look for and height. Those are both more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:53 PM
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I’m saying that it’s not a bell curve distribution yes. I realize there’s not solid numbers to support it yet but I see it everyday and so do a lot of men on here. That’s the basic issue when it comes down to it is that women don’t view attraction on a linear way like men do. It exponentially increases instead. It’s not necessarily going to show up in numbers because there’s still a huge amount of other people coupling up. Less attractive people are more easily able to do this arguably if they’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:49 PM
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No I just don’t have the loud and talkative personality women look for. Men who Exhibit a certain type of personality are seen as more attractive to women and that only goes up if you’re taller. For me height is the one thing I can’t improve. I work and still do to improve everything else I possibly can. Maybe you just need to realize the younger generation has changed. You’re talking from the language of a reasonable woman but most women my age aren’t reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:15 PM
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You’re not putting yourself in others shoes. It’s a whole new world for young men in the USA. Those women in question do end up reproducing with tall men. I’m not an incel either I just can’t attract women for extended periods of time because a taller guy always comes in. Being an objectively attractive 5’10 man in the USA now is worse than being a fat 6’4 ugly dude
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:03 PM
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It’s not about fitting the ideal. It’s about being seen as worthy to reproduce like you said. Women thinking 5’10 men aren’t worthy of reproduction is a really stupid way of looking at life. There’s a lot more to people than just their genetics and millions of men under 6ft in the USA will not get a chance from women equally as attractive as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:57 PM
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Women don’t view attraction as a spectrum like men do. So what I’m saying is a 7/10 man is left out because he’s left just on the edge of being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:54 PM
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It’s the fact that a woman can not fit the ideal and men will still want her if she’s a nice person but if a man doesn’t fit the ideal women won’t even give him the time of day. It’s a double standard, being a short man is a dealbreaker for a large portion of women no matter what other qualities you have or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:42 PM
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Either way weather it’s a status or attraction. Men under that barrier will have trouble dating especially young men in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:30 PM
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It’s based on genetics mainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:59 PM
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Height is a rediculous shallow standard for women to have. Requiring men be 6ft+ is stupid when 5’9 is the average in the USA. There’s a barrier to entry to dating and it’s height.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:58 PM
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They want to make up for their lack of height genetics and the fact that they only want men over 6ft is a reflection of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:58 PM
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Exactly it’s just a way for shallow women to show their true colors. The issue is, more and more young women won’t talk to a guy unless he’s 6ft+
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:05 PM
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Exactly. There’s always BP people in relationships that think they did some “work” we didn’t to get women attracted to them. It’s all a bunch of BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:00 PM
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Also you’re idea of some women having this preference doesn’t match reality where a huge chunk of women have this preference. It’s not a small set of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:50 PM
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Right and most young women only do want 6ft+ models. I’m speaking directly from experience. It’s their right to do that but I’m just calling it stupid and unrealistic. I also have a right to do that. Because that’s not how I view women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:48 PM
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Maybe it is subjectively better evidence. But me and hundreds of men on here will tell you that even above average men 18-24 struggle. The threshold to be attractive is the upper 20%. My issue is that there’s no spectrum. You’re either attractive or you’re not and in this assessment women view 7/10 (5’10) men who are well put together as unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:09 PM
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Obviously I’m mad at women when they think the barrier to entry to have a family is being 8/10 at least and 6ft+. A good looking 5’9 man should be able to get some women attracted to him but it’s not possible this day in age with what women are focused on. Sure they can be attracted to whoever they want but obviously I resent them when they only want the upper 20% of men and I myself am above average. It’s like I almost met the threshold but just missed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:03 PM
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The underlying dataset for all pew studies is published a year after each study. You may think it seems unreasonable but I can tell you as a young man girls my age truly won’t give you the time of day unless you’re in the upper 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:54 PM
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Lol what do you expect us to do, go in the woods and kill wild bears for you? Newsflash, we don’t live in cave man times. I’m earning a high paying degree women don’t care about that. The type of “providing” they’re looking for is 90% based on being 6ft+. If women really wanted someone to provide for them they wouldn’t go for losers just because they’re good looking and over 6ft. Why don’t we just acept that’s what’s going on and those are the traits women like to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:49 PM
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PEW numbers looking at who’s in a relationship 18-24. Then just what I’ve seen being part of that age group and how those women act.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:44 PM
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Sometimes it doesn’t matter how it makes you feel it is just something you shouldn’t not be mad about. Most men just want to have a family and a partner who loves them and we’re denyed all of those parts of life because of some stupid genetic traits. Obviously we’re mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:43 PM
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The numbers suggest a 10-20% more women in relationships than men in the younger generations witch is a result of the women sharing these top men. In terms of sex it’s always been 80/20. My issue with it is there’s not a spectrum of attractiveness for women. It’s either you’re in that top 20% or youre not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:26 AM
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Attractiveness also is height. You could be 7/10 in every other department but if you’re <6ft it’s a huge detriment to your chances. I’ve seen that play the largest role.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:37 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:34 PM
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For the younger generation it’s most of the girls having short relationships with the upper 20 percent or men. Average or even above average men rarely get any attention. The women rotate on these men, they will always have a girlfriend while average or even above average will struggle for long periods of time. In terms of just sex it’s an even greater disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:30 PM
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Individually they aren’t punishing me. Just like all of those things you mentioned are individual personal events. However, as a whole they punish men with even slightly quiet personalities as a whole by assuming they have bad intentions every time and letting more loud and outgoing men who don’t have good intentions fool them. It’s not about me personally it’s about all of women and all of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:35 PM
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Most women are like this because they are subconsciously attracted to inconsiderate men. The label of “confidence” is slapped on it to make themselves feel better about poor choices in men. Women on here act like you can’t be a kind and confident man. They see it that way, that’s not the way it actually is. They have a warped sense of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:58 PM
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You think it’s not punishment. You didn’t actively avoid your prom date and find her completely replusive. The fact is if a man is even slightly quieter than average he will not be able to attract any women. This is a punishment. Being actively ignored and sentenced to a life of being alone is a punishment by women and society imposed on to people who don’t fit the personality norm. You seem to think women are not wrong for this when in fact they are. I’m not being hard on them by pointing out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:49 PM
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It’s punishment when you are unattractive to every woman due to one personality trait that a ton of men and women have. I’m not being hard on them at all if anything it’s the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:30 PM
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It’s not advice because it can’t help you actually attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:50 PM
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That’s the way it is. People just say this stuff to try to make us have a cope for being alone forever. If they were in our position they would be mad also. Be mad, it’s natural, most of my friends guys and girls have had multiple people interested in them from a young age. They don’t get how it is. Don’t ask anyone for advice that can’t even begin to comprehend the struggle. It’s totally normal to be mad about being unable to attract any woman ever. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you or …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:29 PM
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Okay, so same effect. If you’re naturally quiet you’ll still fail to attract any women. Has nothing to do with fear. It’s just about women punishing men that don’t fit the personality they all want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:26 PM
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You think shyness is based on fear and lack of confidence? No, that is what women connect it to but it’s a false connection. Just because you are shy when you’re not relaxed doesn’t mean that’s how everyone is. In fact I’d argue that a true shy man is relaxed when he is being shy (natural personality). It’s impossible to change my personality and why would I want to? I’ll never stop being the way I am if I changed to attract someone they would be attracted to a fake version of me. Women are the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:19 PM
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You’re confusing being relaxed and confident with being shy and making the leap that if you’re shy you aren’t relaxed. For some men, this is just how they act when they are relaxed they’re not scared of interacting with anyone they just aren’t as outgoing as others. They can still be and often are more fun to be around if they’re relaxed and funny. Women are the ones who want this super social loud type of personality and it’s not indicative of anything in terms of character. Women choose shitty…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 05:18 PM
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Because the man is boring and selfish I don’t even get your point. The only thing that differentiates these men from the men you are calling weird is the fact that they are more talkative. Drawing the correlation between being shy and being worse than someone who’s boring and selfish is an incorrect conclusion and that’s why so many women are in unhappy relationships. They mistake “personality” with weather you’re shy or outgoing witch is just a small factor of personality but they think it’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:54 PM
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But most 23 year old women are “in a relationship”. How does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:29 PM
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You just keeping saying that shy or neurodivergent men are “wierd” like they have bad ideas in their head. Most of these guys myself included are good people but women just aren’t attracted to our natural personalities. You’re acting like women are right to assess a shy man as weird automatically. Men don’t do this for shy women and it’s not fair that if young men don’t fit one personality type then they are completely removed from being attractive to any women. The fact is women look for a loud…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:28 PM
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Ok dude. Good for you. You’re part of a generation that is more accepting of shy or not as outgoing men. Nowadays no women are attracted to that type of personality and it has no true reflection of someone’s character. A man can be shy or high functioning and still have a “good” personality according to me (a man). However, he won’t according to women. That’s not our fault, people are just born with those qualities and if no woman will like me bc of that then it’s fine. I’d rather accept it then…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:41 PM
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There’s the answer to why things are different for you. You might not think things have changed but there’s hundreds of men on here like myself who are part of the younger generation who are telling you how things are now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:26 PM
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Ok. How tall are you and how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:02 PM
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Yes, and it gives women an Avenue to talk to only the men they find really attractive. It perpetuates the 80/20 rule
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:32 AM
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Not bad personalities necessarily they might be shy or neurodivergent witch is viewed as “bad” by women but isn’t a reflection of true character.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:25 AM
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Yes, that’s why the 80/20 rule exists. It’s even more prevalent with the younger generation because of social media
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:21 AM
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You’re correlating two things that aren’t related strongly and have nothing to do with the point I’m bringing up. I never said that stuff wasn’t bad and obviously a rape victim has a tougher life than a lonely autistic man. However in the majority of cases a shy women has less struggles finding relationships then men. Not just sex, notice how you brought that point with you’re preconceived notions of unattractive men. Never being able to attract any woman is what happens for almost all shy men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:19 AM
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Autism is a death sentence even if you’re physically attractive. Even if you’re high functioning, women have a better sense of it then men. That’s why autistic or mildly autistic men usually have only male friends and autistic women can find partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:08 AM
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Very true however you cannot compare things indirectly that we aren’t talking about directly and for witch there is no statistical correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:00 PM
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Yeah in some cases it does. So what’s your point, for every shy girl with a negative experience there’s a shy girl with a positive experience bc they can attract all type of men. But there’s two shy guys with no women attracted to them in their lives. And rn I’m not talking about looks, I’m talking about personality and the personality women look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:41 PM
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Again. That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re specifically talking about being attractive to the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:14 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying I’m talking about being shy and that effecting attractiveness. You said yourself it’s not only those men that are attracted to shy women. It’s not the same as being unattractive to literally all women as a shy man. I’m not trying to undermine victims but that is just not what I’m getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:27 PM
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I never said it wasn’t but she still has the option to choose from men who aren’t bad. It’s not like only those men are attracted to shy women. If you’re a shy man you’re lucky if even one girl finds you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:54 PM
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I’m not saying there’s any bonus to it I’m just saying it isn’t as detrimental as being unattractive to the entire opposite sex automatically
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:26 PM
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Still much much better then being a man with those qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:54 PM
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No we just aren’t super picky and most women have positive qualities to their personalities if they’re not an asshole. It’s not like we see a shy girl and think we’d never give her a chance because of that like women do for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:31 PM
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Right and it just proves they want someone who fits society’s idea of a good partner. Not someone who they actually have chemistry with, that barely matters if you’re not tall and neurotypical
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:48 PM
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Not the same as getting pregnant with a criminals baby and having a low IQ bloodline. He’s right, women don’t care if the man’s hot, but money talks in the end and it just becomes the worst financial decision ever for that women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:55 AM
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Men are definitely more accepting of it. Women will find anything a nuerodivergent dude does as unattractive, since it doesn’t fit the societal norm. Men more so don’t care about the norm and they are accepting of looking at that person’s personality on a deeper level and that’s ultimately what this comes down to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:39 AM
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Bc they don’t sleep with us. I don’t even get this question, whores already exist they still just want the top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:36 AM
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Top 20% of men have more relationships with this demographic of young women, Weather that be at the same time or within a short period of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:22 AM
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No but women in general want to date up especially if they’re above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:43 AM
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However the threshold is not just to be taller than the average woman, the threshold is to be taller than most other men. It is super important in general it’s more important than looks I’d say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:14 PM
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Height is the most important witch is also physical
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:14 PM
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Height is most important for men and then it’s looks then personality. If your height isn’t 6ft+ a large portion of women will automatically move past you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 03:36 PM
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The weight of what dating means to someone is different from person to person. Yeah it’s not good for men to mythologize women they’re interested in but the reason some men do this is because standards are so high now and they lack any type of opportunities. Competition is good but it’s more than just competition now it’s a majority of men competing for like 5% of women who don’t only go after the top 20% of men. It’s a rigged game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:54 PM
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It’s the opposite though women put the top 20% of men on a pedastle making competition harder for the other 80%. Hence they have to try more and ppl think they make it too big of a deal. Men also have to work harder because women are selectors in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:02 PM
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Men who aren’t in the top 20% can’t date women of equal SMV bc those women usually want to date up. Slightly above average men have it significantly harder than slightly above average women. It’s just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:40 PM
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Women assume that every man just wants sex from them so if you aren’t assertive about what you want bc you just want to spend time with them then you’re seen as weak and worse you’re seen as a liar bc many women have preconceived notions on the motives of men. That’s why it’s easier to get ONS than relationships for any man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:12 PM
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Continue making assumptions. I have hundreds of friends both men and women, if you knew me irl I would break your narrow worldview. But go ahead and keep making assumptions, you called me “boring” and “not easy to be around” just bc I’m not able to attract women and I said that’s not my fault. This is comical.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:06 PM
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No they don’t. Why would they? They have genetics that allow women to be attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:59 PM
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Ok well you also don’t know me so I don’t give a shit what you have to say. You just want to believe that I did something to make this situation for myself when in reality this was given to me by my genetics. I have friends with literally no hobbies who have gfs. I have stuff I like to do daily but it’s usually sports and physical activities. I also am earning a degree. I feel like I’m no more or less “boring” than the typical woman I’m attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:52 PM
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It’s not abandoning relationships because I’m not able to be in any relationships to begin with so it’s not really a change to my day to day life at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:44 PM
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Enjoying company and time while having their own life and some type of intimacy. That is not possible for me and I need to train myself to not want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:38 PM
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Yeah If you’re able to attract women you should be maintaining contact with them. My goal is to get to the point of not even wanting relationships with women since I know I’ll never be able to have a relationship with one I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:31 PM
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Right I totally get that but having to go forever without a woman liking you brings on a whole new type of loneliness and it’s hard for me to imagine this is avoidable but apparently it is for some and if it is for you good for you. I hope I can get to that point one day. Learning to live with the facts of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:26 PM
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First off all I never said an asexual introvert was automatically a “good person”. The point I’m making is that women assume men who are genuinely nice are faking it. I understand other people make that assessment but it’s not always indicative of the truth and only god knows if someone is truly a good person. Most women have messed up views on men and can’t accurately make that assessment. That’s why they usually date assholes and you get the notion “nice guys finish last” and they do. Women se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:45 PM
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Perfectly said. They think they have some mechanism to magically tell if someone is genuine. The fact is they have no idea and more often than not will just go with the asshole bc they don’t think he’s deceiving them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:37 PM
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Everyone has a different view. Some people are okay with being alone. I’m not, there’s no way for people who don’t want to be alone to magically become okay with it but I’ll just have to learn to live with it bc that’s likely how it’ll be for me and many other men forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:31 PM
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I never said unattractive men should land super model girlfriends but a 7/10 man should be able to find a 7/10 woman that likes him. The bar is much higher for men and even if you’re above average you quite literally need to have everything a woman wants to be desired. That’s why women usually only go for the upper 20%. I just don’t get why so much advice gets thrown around on here almost always assuming first the man is doing something wrong (overweight, mean, doesn’t take care of himself etc.)…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:27 PM
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They have no type of power. Shorter men who are fit are better fighters and protectors. Women’s monkey brain just thinks tall=powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:17 PM
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There was a lady on here yesterday who said “there’s no man on this planet who’s single just because of his height” the delusion in some people is very real
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:07 PM
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It’s funny bc that’s actually similar to what some ppl on here say. Like there’s some type of extra work we can do to overcome our genetic issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:03 PM
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Oh I’m sure. I’m an above average man and I know some of the problems of men in the top 20% bc I’m friends with a lot of guys like that. It’s still better than having to be alone forever though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:00 PM
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It is however reasonable to say we won’t reach the level of happiness that people with loving partners have the potential to. That’s just a fact, loneliness makes people extremely unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:58 AM
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It honestly doesn’t help at all as long as you’re not overweight. Most factors women look at are genetic. I still go to the gym because I like it and I get to take out anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:51 AM
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Then don’t have kids, but as a man If you say you don’t want a relationship with a woman you’re lying to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:50 AM
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The thing I disagree about isn’t that Mother Nature is trying to weed us out, it’s that women are trying to do this. If I lived hundreds of years ago my ability to provide and protect would be valued that’s actually Mother Nature helping our traits as men. Now that women don’t need this they just want a man who looks like he can provide and doesn’t do anything stupid ever socially ie (tall and nuuerotypical).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:48 AM
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Well I do and most of the single men I know do also. I would say I take care of my body better than most of the guys I know who have girlfriends. Maybe I’m an outlier, but that’s not some magic formula you can still do it and struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:44 AM
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Exactly. However it’s not really a “competition” bc nobody is actually doing anything. Women just look and assess weather you have the height and looks they want. If you don’t they move on. That’s why most younger women share the top 20% of men. It’s messed up but there’s nothing we can do about how we were born.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:41 AM
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No one said that it’s called a metaphor. It’s the death of someone’s dating life, not their actual life. Also if you think someone who can never attract a woman will be able to find the true happiness they want in life you are just telling yourself a lie. Most people want to have a family and partner that loves them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:22 AM
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I can tell you that even if you are a genuinely good person, you still won’t have any women like you unless you are a chad. Yes there’s a difference between being nice and being kind, but it doesn’t matter and women rarely take this into account. In fact, being kind often times hurts men because women assume we just want to get something from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:07 AM
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Lol almost all men are already doing this. What do you say to a single man who does this stuff already?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:55 AM
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Don’t forget to hang from your heels each morning for 20 minutes. If you aren’t tall it’s your own fault!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:43 AM
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Its not that women aren’t looking for a man like me. It’s that all women seem to think they deserve a 10/10 and to them a 7/10 even with a good personality is considered settling. This is the problem with attractive women in gen Z. Men like me don’t even get a chance to showcase our personality witch is the only thing that could separate us from chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:08 AM
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That’s the thing. On paper I’m fine. I would say im 7/10, I feel like that’s an accurate and honest assessment of myself. Women that I deem equal in SMV and im attracted to are never attracted to me also because a 7/10 woman in the USA (gen Z) only wants the top 20% of men. Its a very difficult spot to be in as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:47 AM
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5’10
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:42 AM
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Luck or by having a really outgoing personality, or a lot of money/ some type of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:42 AM
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In terms of dating it is. It pretty much garentees a life of solitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:38 AM
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It’s definitely not a desirable trait for men in women’s opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:30 AM
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Above average looks and good fitness level as well as intelligence and a good job/career. The main problem is I’m not 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:25 AM
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I want my gf/wife to be from the USA and I want to live here and raise a family here, where all of my friends and family are. I wouldn’t leave my whole life and career for something as stupid as women not liking me. If they don’t they’re the ones missing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:54 AM
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Get off the internet bro. You seriously did not just say that short men need to use dating apps. You must be trying to troll me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:51 AM
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Ok. If you were in the USA Today and young you’d get no attention from women (or significantly less). Most girls don’t even think about dating men under 6ft nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:22 AM
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Exactly my point I’m living proof of it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:03 AM
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I definitely won’t give up now. I’ve seen girls I like that I thought I could legitimately have a relationship with. But it’s kind of impossible to keep open minded when the same thing happens over and over and eventually I worry that I’ll think any girl that wants to be with me is settling bc I genuinely believe girls my age just want the ideal type.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:55 AM
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Yeah but only for a short period of time. I’ve had a few one or two time encounters though. Lately any girl I want just wants the next best thing. It’s really a rigged game if you’re in that middle ground of above average but not quite the ideal man women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:50 AM
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You’re too old to understand the dynamics of what happened here. The best way I can explain it is being a 7/10 man under 6ft. You will have at least half the opportunity of even a 6/10 man 6ft+. Height has become the number one factor for young women as well as the increased preference for “confidence” witch they think is just being loud and disrespectful. (Not what real confidence is at all)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:48 AM
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I never said it did. But it’s not unrealistic for me to want what I want as an above average man. If I still struggle in 5 years then I’ll just stop trying and isolate myself. But I’ll never remove myself from my friends family and home country. If no women here want me then I deserve to be alone and I shouldn’t pass down my genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:45 AM
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I’m talking about how things are NOW for young ppl in the USA. I didn’t ask about your experience that would never happen now. It’s an entirely different world
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:35 AM
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It is on the decline due to younger women having inflated standards and fighting over only the top 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:29 AM
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Women are fun if they give you the opportunity to spend time with them and showcase your personality. This usually doesn’t happen if you’re not attractive enough. Nobody who’s not with a woman is missing out, they have tried and been shown they can’t be with any of the women they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:21 AM
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What would you say to men who are doing this and have been doing everything they can but can’t find any women that are attracted to them? There’s not always something you can “do”. Society says do this do that blah blah blah. If you’re actually doing everything you can and are a good person and still can’t attract any women there’s really nothing you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:19 AM
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Things have changed so fast with technology taking a bigger role in dating. Basically all of women’s preferences have been heightened (no pun intended) bc they can just go on tinder and get the next best thing. That’s why I said the worse place to be is a above average looking 5’10 man. Women on your level will just want the next best thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:10 AM
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It’s way different now unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:07 AM
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I’m telling you how it is for young men in the USA, might not be true for you but any younger women in the us prefers a 6ft+ man over even 5’9-5’10 men. You’d be surprised how much that little bit of height matters for this demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:04 AM
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Most the majority of people I know in relationships the guy is almost always 6ft+ you’re in the outlier it seems like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:00 AM
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Most men living in the USA and unable to attract a woman are leaving their home as a sign of accepting defeat. Our parents passed down our genetics, why should we have to leave our country. I’ll leave when I honestly believe no women in the whole country that I’m attracted to would be attracted to me also. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:59 AM
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Yeah well that’s what I’m talking about. I’m 5’10 and I’ve reached my genetic threshold. I would still say I’m above average but it doesn’t matter when women care about height so much. 6ft+ is really where you need to get into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:55 AM
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It depends. If you lack looks/height to begin with and you are taking care of your body and mind to the best of your ability then you can’t improve anymore. If you’re genuinely a good person and have positive interactions with people what would you tell that person to do? The fact is most of these men have improved and they have reached their threshold. Imo there’s obviously a genetic threshold bc ppl can’t control everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:52 AM
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Maybe you think so but from what I’ve seen it’s different. A lot of girls tell themselves that the more attractive guy has a better personality just bc of his looks/height. Being a slightly above average man is the worst spot to be imo because women of the equal SMV usually want to date up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:48 AM
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It all comes down to looks ultimately. Girls don’t like nice guys is true bc a girl would rather a 9/10 asshole than a 7/10 nice guy. It’s not fair it’s just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:43 AM
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No most men aren’t doing anything wrong it’s the things that are out of our control that women usually find as dealbreakers. It’s a cruel world and women have it significantly easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:22 AM
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It’s not useful in any type of way in modern society but women havnt evolved past the point of realizing that and as a result a generation of smart and good men who don’t meet the height requirement will be passed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:41 AM
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I’m in the same boat. The main problem I have with it is women seem to think these men who are still single are doing something to make themselves unattractive when in reality they are doing everything they can to better themselves and when a women passes up on them it’s almost always bc one of these “high value” men shows them attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:34 AM
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They most definitely will. As a gen Z man I can say that if you lack certain genetic traits you won’t even be given the opportunity to showcase your personality
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:39 PM
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Autism
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:35 PM
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Nothing other than their time and care for their partner witch in a perfect world would be all that’s expected out of a man. However you’ll notice theres much much more that’s expected out of men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:33 PM
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My belief is that we’re no longer needed because women’s standards have raised to an unreachable peak due to technology putting them in contact with every 6ft+ chad in a 5 mile radius. We’re completely screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:19 PM
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I get it but at the same time I don’t. Somehow my genetics got passed down, so why are they completely undesirable to all women now? It doesn’t make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:59 PM
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Yeah, same with a lot of things. These days there’s a laundry list of genetic factors that are dealbreakers for men. Most men have at least one so don’t be upset about it, most men are in your boat autistic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:41 PM
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Your comments and judgements on all unattractive men in the entire world speak to your ignorance and inability to listen to the stories and experiences of people who have life path different than yours. Continue to post gifs when you can’t comprehend the argument I laid out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:38 PM
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Then what happened when all of the women without blue eyes are gone. If they were gen Z women they would still not like women with blue eyes and end up alone but notice how men don’t do that and women do, with height. You say there’s no single man who is that way strictly because of height, that’s not true, you don’t know every man who is unattractive and that’s millions of people, here you go making assumptions again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:26 PM
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You’re pushing that notion by ignoring the fact that some men are single for those reasons. You word for word said “they’re not single bc they’re short”. Being undesirable is more than often due to uncontrollable factors for men. And yes I’m making an assumption about gen Z women ending up alone bc people who have such shallow views on the other gender and won’t even talk to someone that doesn’t have a certain genetic trait are more likely to end up alone. It would be like if a man didn’t talk t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:17 PM
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You know I’m making a good point and that’s why you’re ignoring it. You should be able to tell you’re in the wrong when you’re saying that all men who are unattractive are at personal fault for this. You realize this makes up like hundreds of millions of people. You’re just making assumptions about an entire group it’s sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:11 PM
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Thanks for proving my point that women see 7/10 men as “dead weight” bc they didn’t meet one of their genetic requirements. Lmk when you can find a man saying the same thing about a 7/10 woman (you won’t).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:07 PM
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It actually is bc of things like height. Studies show that these women only find 20% of men attractive. So if you’re saying it’s not because of genetic factors then you’re saying that all of these men are unattractive because of something they did. It’s completely delusional especially when you can watch hundreds of videos online of women talking about how much they dislike men under 6ft. I’m stating the facts and you’re just getting mad. We’ll see how their high standards work out when they’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:02 PM
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I care enough to open up your perspective to 80% of gen Z men. You can seriously sit here all you want and say your “hormones” don’t let you lose weight. Well guess what, my hormones didn’t allow me to grow 6ft+. I allowed myself to be fit but notice how many gen Z men are single bc of things like height while young women who are overweight (something they can control) still get attention from the opposite sex. Its honestly comical that some women can’t understand the height-weight double standa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:55 PM
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I’m bringing it up to point out the obvious double standard. Women care about things men can’t control and men care about things women can control (on average) you can say whatever you want about it but that’s the fact. Studies showing that women only actually view the top 20% of men as attractive at all confirm this. It’s not ignorance of the human body to say women can lose weight and men can’t magically get taller. Here’s a reasonable reality that would make more sense: women just demand fit …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:47 PM
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You could give any reason and I wouldn’t care. I’ve improved my life at everything I can control so it makes no sense to me when women complain about men caring about weight (even though I acknowledged those standards you mentioned are ridiculous) bc they can control that. When at the same time women have extremely higher standards on average and on things that are completely out of our control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:40 PM
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Well those standards are rediculous, at least you can control weight to an extent. Imagine how younger men feel when women won't even talk to them if they're not 6ft+, thats something we have no control over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:32 PM
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Perfectly said. It’s easier for ugly people than a 6-7/10 man bc that man is still not seen as attractive by most attractive women who only view 8/10 or up in looks and 6ft+ as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:09 PM
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It didn’t work for me at all even being slightly above average in looks and in shape. Fact is, gen Z women have such inflated standards unless you offer everything she wants (looks, height, money, neurotypical loud/“confident” personality) you will be passed over for the men that do have all these things. With technology now they have endless access to these women and men not in that top 20% are left behind most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:06 PM
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They usually just use this as an excuse to reject men they don’t find attractive. Remember the vast majority of men are unattractive to women so if you’re not attractive it doesn’t matter if you make a move too soon or too late, you will be rejected, it’s a non issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:56 PM
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Women have extremely inflated standards, especially gen Z women. Even if a man is attractive and has some level of height and genetics they want, if they don't meet all of those requirements they will be passed over for the endless stream of 6ft+ attractive men in their phones. It's a rigged game unless you're in the upper 20%, even if you're above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:50 PM
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