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There are boatloads of people who never discuss body count. I’d been in one discussion about it in the last 15-20 years before this sub and zero among my dude friends. There are plenty of men, HV or otherwise who don’t care about it. There are also plenty of men that aren’t trad, and this becomes more pronounced when they become HV, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:58 PM
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Elaborate if you’re up to it. Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:42 PM
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Youts these days
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:52 AM
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Agreement on how things have changed. I was responding to the "when were cold approaches appreciated?" Prior to the internet, talking to girls/women at fast food places, campuses etc wasn't abnormal. People had more social skills then out of necessity. I am confused how many dudes on this board think they'd do better dating if they were dropped into 1997. If you're awkward now, you'd be realllly awkward by the standards of that time. The vast majority of folks could dish out or take polite rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 09:28 AM
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In the late 90s it was par for the course for teenagers/college aged folks to go to the mall and/or "cruise" and get phone numbers or set up "plans for later". In the hoodish areas even stopping your car to holler was often received positively, had cousins who were a lot more skilled at that than I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 09:09 AM
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Eye contact with her in heels is a wonderful thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:59 PM
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More guys are attracted to tall women than not, but true some aren’t. I’m very attracted to them. Some guys are rightfully intimidated though. The way I’ve heard many girls around say 5’9 talk about guys their same height is not pretty. Heard it so often that I instinctually have mad respect for a 5’7 dude with a 6-foot woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:55 PM
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Also they’re already using condoms
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 08:21 PM
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I got tired just reading that. Actually knew somebody who was living like that in his 40s a few years ago. More than I could handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:04 AM
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I'd say they are fetish-model adjacent yeah. I have some insight into the actual fetish-model community. Most of them are in non-monogamous LTRs where the primary guy could be any-and-I-mean-any kind of dude. None of the norms spoken in this space apply to it. Very possible the folks I mentioned have been influenced by or have friends in that community.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:30 AM
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This makes more sense to me than most PPD posts from what I observe IRL. I feel like dudes are less motivated, and the social media algorithms cater to your every visual need, along with free porn. I’m older but if no attractive women were into me I’d happily sit out. I expect more guys to abstain not due to boiling resentment, but the combination of variety of cheap substitutes and below-average economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:29 AM
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Marie Temara on IG for sure, maybe Ekaterina Lisina. Algorithm will guide you from there. Enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:11 AM
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Seen it, part of it is a virtue signal by link in bio folks... But the women I've noticed saying this are like 6'3. At this height I've noticed even hot women giving up on height requirements because they'd be abandoning almost all dudes. I also think people with quirky type preferences are becoming more vocal, a positive development.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 08:34 PM
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Some podcaster who fled Evangelical Christianity called it her Tram-page.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:09 PM
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Exaggerating with the analytics obviously lol but In days of yore, I recall clubs where you knew there would just be eye candy and good music, but other bars/clubs where mingling was more likely, if not the flat-out norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:11 PM
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What do you recommend as the statistical tipping point? “___% chance this evening will include making out with an attractive woman if you go to this venue if I go here solo.” What percentage would justify a solo trip to that spot?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:07 PM
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There are subtle upsides to not being expected to be “on” 24/7. On the first part of your response, you’re talking about women being expected to put effort into looking cute? I can see how that is real societal pressure, although if you ask any individual straight dude about this, he’d say he doesn’t care. OTOH, I’ve traveled to countries where I didn’t find many of the women attractive. Didn’t notice how much I purely missed the visual aspect until getting to the gate to come back to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:57 PM
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Some women also re-tell their “how we met” stories in a way that makes them seem like they were more passive, at least for the good majority of women I’ve dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:55 PM
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I believe women do a lot of work in the lab on appearance. I don’t believe many women are going to the equivalent of charm school, but I’ve always had maaaad respect for those who appear to have worked on that skill. The only question is if the work the avg woman does in honing her appearance and pics equals the effort men put into honing their charm. The bitterness in guys will also come from the fact that in the process, it’s damn near inevitable they will unintentionally creep somebody out, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:43 PM
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So if the possibility isn’t slim it’s OK 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:31 PM
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I know a couple guys who get a power trip over having veto power over who their wife fucks, even if it’s not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 08:02 PM
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This might be true at 23 or perhaps even 30 but not after that. Previous LTR experience is social proof after that point. Also a tale of woe can be an aphrodisiac to women if not told too woefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:07 AM
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Statusmaxxing if that’s a word makes more sense than looksmaxxing. I’ve only been there a handful of times, but feeling attraction based primarily on status and not on looks OR game (personality/aura) is so freaking hollow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 10:02 PM
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3 resonates loudly. Dudes would rather take any other road to a goal than charm somebody into it. Let me go to “the lab” and emerge stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:54 PM
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There was a lot of focus back then on learning how to not be creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:42 PM
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I’m thinking of rapport-building when speaking of game. You might be as well. Back then, the common knowledge was don’t look like shit. After that your approach method as well as ability to recognize body language / signs of attraction was key. I have some women even now say if they were a guy looking to get some, they’d focus on recognizing signs that a woman is having some kind of low-self-esteem moment. I knew some dudes who were just non-ugly looks wise AFAIK but who “excelled” in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:42 PM
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As an old guy and here to learn, game CLEARLY beat looks 20-25 years ago. Hands down. Slam the door. I haven’t checked for women under 35 in some time, so in my demo game still beats looks by a large margin. I know this is a unique corner of the internet, but with so many dudes here obsessed with looks I figure there must be some fire behind the smoke.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:06 PM
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You are asking this question because somebody out there has gotten away with this, aren’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:12 AM
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Yeah, huuuuge difference between confidence and peacocking. To be fair, people on these sites or equivalent have been recommending dudes have confidence since like the 80s. I had no idea what they meant by this until I was about 36, even after increasing it between 22-36. Now I can’t unsee it, and how much it’s a factor in dating and I don’t know how I would’ve explained this to my 23yo self either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:40 PM
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Just read this, that serpent’s tongue is real in our persuasion. I kinda resemble to that second paragraph except I never pulled off the six pack. Also my level of game/serpent’s tongue never rose past the level of “not fucking this up” as humility was beat into me as a kid, literally. They overdid it. On the third, I’m in my mid 40s but has the pendulum swung back toward light-skinned brothas? Fortunately I came of age at the time of Morris Chestnut paving the way for all of us darker folk. I r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:06 PM
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Neither men or women are unified by this, but I think women want traditionalism a little more than men on the whole. Some vocal men in this sub and in the ‘sphere think their dating luck would be better if women didn’t have as many choices, if they were encouraged/coerced into only dating people they see as husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:20 AM
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Been there. Also had an ex who was comfortable just leaving food out everywhere and in the bed. Every 1-2 months she would do a full-on spic-and-span house cleaning but she was perfectly fine leaving the place gross for weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:19 PM
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A question a child might ask, but not a childish question. When one person does not clean to the other person’s standards, that is an extreme challenge for people who live together, especially people who are fucking and have increased intimacy expectations. I have been on both sides of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 01:39 AM
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That too. Although I don't know if I'm so much better in text... In old-school times I had the impression 80% of guys would rather not have had to do the approaching, hence all the "liquid courage". Getting rejected quietly from your own bathroom beats getting direct instant feedback that you have no game, then meekly walking away lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:13 AM
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I am roughly the same age, and what Dagenius describes is accurate. I adapted but it didn't seem "fair" to me. But if I'm being honest, I have been a higher on looks, lower on swag/game type of guy, so I always sort of hoped OLD would replace the above dynamic. But yeah where I live, dudes putting themselves out there has felt non-existent for about the last 10 years. I thought it was weird but when my marriage ended 6 years ago, I quickly saw why. Evvvvrybody was online. That's where those inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:26 AM
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I am not familiar with kicked-out-of-the-bar willy-nilly culture. Never had it happen to me, only seen it happen to people who earned it, or at least we're very close to a fracas. Something like what you responded to, never seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:17 AM
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It seems like a disproportional amount of cuck porn is BBC focused but I believe your theory has merit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:10 AM
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Haha it’s complicated. I’ve definitely used it to my advantage. On hookups being easier, it’s that those who are down make it more known. I had black friends who really were into girl-next-door WW or AW and they had it rough. EDIT: meaning just going up to random WW/AW did not work well for them. But the origin is racist for sure, black men as insatiable beasts threatening to soil the pure southern belle and so forth. It’s also weird as fuck that due to porn sales stats it’s clear that more than…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:50 AM
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Yeah this. Then a lot of middle-class black environments are socially conservative / churchy on the surface, meaning everyone is supposed to be aiming for monogamy. In these environments whether black or non-black the thirst imbalance organically decreases.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:37 AM
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Nah more like the economic impact. Dudes tend to look for marriage/LTR when they have economic security at which point they become a “good man”. Also, the weird side-effect of American racism in particular that is the eroticization of black men. So if a black man manages to become a “good man” where there is a lack of “good men”, meaning their RMV can become so high the energy can be converted into SMV. Yeah you mayyyy get passed over for dorkishness early on but later the floodgates will open. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:34 AM
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You see it in fits and starts, like whenever your area decided to fully open from Covid, or spring in the Northeast, basically when people haven’t been out for a while. That season ends quickly though. Even then the thirst imbalance lessens but doesn’t flip. Within the black community I’d say the thirst is about equal but that is basically due to systemic racism at a high level.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:23 AM
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Yeah it’s the confidence. I was broke as hell at 30, moved into a room in a friend’s house, just planning to live humbly and save $$ and had to force myself to go volcel in order to stash cash. I was broke but as emotionally secure as I’d ever been, that’s the only way to explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:09 AM
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Distinguishable to me. Just a matter of what you have a taste for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 12:12 AM
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On the low-low, the price gap between a high-end dinner for 2 and mid-hi-end escort is shrinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 11:11 PM
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It has become a green flag when a BW is not threatened by my having white GFs previously. OTOH the "man shortage" is not a falsehood when it comes to BM even by age 22-23 unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:32 PM
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True. My comment is more a positive towards the women in law offices and govt buildings than a slight against women in tech. Attractive women kinda look good in anything, but more good in those settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:30 PM
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Women in court and government offices dress significantly hotter than women in tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 01:55 PM
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This is far closer to the truth than most people, across gender lines, want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 09:00 PM
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I've noticed this, it makes me feel like human nature is defective. Not the part about preferences, but where somebody gets 5000 likes and 100 marriage proposals for a single post yet focuses on the one negative comment. It's not just muscle girls but a lot of other types of women as well, maybe men too but I ain't checking for them. Shit, after 3-4 extremely hot women choose for NSA sex, I could be deemed ugly for life and be OK with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 04:34 AM
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You underestimate these algorithms. In my case, my type(s) were not entirely mainstream but now my FYP feeds me a steady supply of these types—on the suggestion pages. My impression now is that there isn’t a mainstream but I’m likely wrong. If they had this when I was 20 I would have never gotten out of bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 10:37 PM
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I feel like advertising/social media doesn’t cater to women as much, especially post 30 so what y’all’s actual type is can vary wildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 10:32 PM
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Women being honest about their preferences would be so great for the world. At our age it’s more common. In my 40s I have been rejected for being under 250 lbs and looking too much like a model (her words) along with more mundane reasons to be clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 10:11 PM
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It is weird when you think about it. On a macro/societal level, women risk more from sex, and their sexuality is a kind of currency where it isn’t for men. Zooming in on personal experiences, it has rarely felt that way, especially the taking part… and that’s the initial round. In relationships, it’s felt pretty equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:17 PM
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IRL the Chads I knew did not shag all women, although more than the avg guy. They typically raised their standards. The guys who shagged the most were those who had the skill of talking their way into the panties, combined with a chip on their shoulder. They were non-ugly but looks weren’t the factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:01 PM
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Yeah and this mechanism shuts down because it’s time to settle down or there’s just been a breakup. That’s how you wonder why she chose THAT guy in some cases. It’s like some women don’t develop the “selecting for” muscle, only the “selecting against”. So when they deactivate the against system anything could happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 04:08 PM
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This is something I thought OLD would have changed as there are so many options that it’s worth putting your quirks out there for screening.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 03:23 PM
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I wouldn’t word it that way but that is really freakin insightful
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:11 PM
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I don't agree with all your premises but I love that the idea of actions being innocuous at the individual level can have repercussions when multiplied by 100x, 1000x. It's basically how racism, sexism and other negative -isms function. Of your five bullet points, the only one I see worth taking action on is having children. I am childless by choice but most people throughout history have a drive to reproduce. When birthrates fall below a certain level, I'm inclined to think there's a breakdown …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 08:19 PM
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For most guys I know they had a peak at 21-23 (late college) followed by a shocking lull then a slower more lasting rise roughly 28-42. You can argue the potential peak is higher at 21 if you’re like a D1 football player or something. High RMV/SMV guys at 28+ aren’t checking for 18-21 year old women though. The quantity vs quality thing is already kicking in, and that life experience gap is substantial.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:53 PM
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How common is 2 really? I can see it if you replace "in the context of a relationship" to "if there seems to be relationship potential". With that phrase change, 2 is more common but I'd say even as the language stands. 2 to 1 is more difficult, although 1 to 2 would require something like a religious conversion. Oh and I'd rather be 1 all else being equal, although ONS is not my sweet spot, more like FWB or early stage relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 01:10 AM
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Back then were not confusing Howard Stern with anything right wing as the Religious Right was protesting him on the regular. Tom Leykis led off his show with “I’m not a right wing wacko” You had to go down the rabbit hole a bit to find the can’t get none -> blame it on feminism -> blame it on black guys. The potential for radicalization was always there. To get to this trad stuff, that was only on hardcore white nationalist sites, or other toxic religious places.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 05:32 PM
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My theory is somewhere in the last 15 years an ideology came about to unite guys looking for casual sex and guys looking for traditionalist quasi-virgins under the same roof. When I was looking at this stuff circa 2000, those camps were completely separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 02:00 AM
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Honestly at 35+ anybody I can think of like this that I’ve met personally has something just “a little off” about them. At 25 or so, we… I mean “they” were all over the place. From what little I gather now they still are, regardless of whether they made money early.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 11:29 PM
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Sadly that computes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 11:18 PM
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This is true and so bizarre. There are many things people tie to gender differences that I can brush away as tied to society but I cannot in a million years empathize with that instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 11:07 PM
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I know a guy who wouldn’t throw tantrums but would purposely keep the house messy, also a woman who feigned/s tantrums on her NPD ex husband/baby daddy. Edit: to be clear both the man and woman above are rational to an extreme but this is their hack for their relationships. “Can’t treat a psycho like a normal human being” -Poe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:56 PM
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It could be either party here, but there are plenty of people whose idea of relationship is to push the other’s boundaries until they snap in some way. Exhausting for me personally, but there are folks in decades-long situations acting like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:48 PM
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You think ppl out here trying to be healthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:46 PM
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That’s in the blue notes. He wants to keep her. In my opinion they’re both likely choosing this cycle. Seen similar up close, with ppl that have plennnnty of options choosing to live like this primarily cuz makeup sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:45 PM
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No, but I know a dude who has done similar things, and it kinda works for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:37 PM
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Tied to money, but men as well as women are using money to stay fit and good-looking at late ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 03:00 PM
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“Primitive women” -you wrong for that Starting shit in general is high-stakes. If you lose or get checked that’s your dignity in that environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:44 PM
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Good point in the last paragraph. Also re-read the OP; getting checked and backing down might come off worse than losing the fight. I also believe some of the women here. I can see where many suburban, middle-class and up women over 25 see physical fighting as such low end behavior. Their disdain for the escalator may very well eclipse any other feelings for any combatants by a large amount. But for high-looks, low-status women in particular yeah they’re gonna like some scrappers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:45 PM
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OK maybe if you lose in spectacular fashion, but not if you just come out worse. I’m going on what I’ve seen personally though. This has also applied to requirements to get respect from dudes. You don’t have to win, but just give account. Granted most of my experience in this is age 20 or earlier. Ironically, I think it’s tougher on guys in non-physical circumstances. Like if they’re taking Ls financially on a frequent basis, or if their rival is upstaging them on the regular, stuff that accumul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:15 PM
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Realistically I think that if a guy does his best under the circumstances, 90% of women will gain attraction. If he loses but is clearly overmatched, but is standing up for himself, still gains points.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 04:23 PM
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A LOT of women definitely can though, just not the ones in the above replies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 04:21 PM
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I recall seeing an article from Psych Today or something which said women are harsher on both men’s and women’s appearances. Correlates with me since I think I’m a good-looking guy and also think most people are good-looking when they put forward a small amount of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 10:17 PM
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I honestly don’t know if it’s the best advice in this sub but it has a lot of truth. IME I’ve avoided deadbedrooms even though I’ve had a ton of other problems in relationships. I basically need to feel that level of lust before LTR instincts come into my head. There are downfalls to that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:11 PM
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I saw their thread on “always the emotional confidante”… that has to smart. I’ve likely been guilty of that before, I have a small need for a sister type of friend in my life as I have no irl sisters. I’m somewhat aware of emotional leading-on now so I try to fill that void with attractive women who just aren’t my type, so hopefully they don’t feel like those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 10:54 PM
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Agreed, that’s why dating as a straight man vs straight woman is a very gendered experience. One shouldn’t expect one to be able to relate to the issues of the other, not very easily at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 05:20 PM
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I temporarily stumbled into this dynamic. That was basically it. I never demanded the one-sided part but it became that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 12:04 AM
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I feel like I’ve heard guys admit all sorts of woes but if they say it like they’re owning it they can hook somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:53 PM
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post-breakup hookup behavior for women. Haven't noticed it for any other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:46 PM
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Better said than I could. Half the dudes on here need to post this on a wall. You have done God’s work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:47 PM
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Nope. The kind of confidence here is “I’ve gotten my ass kicked before and I’ll survive another ass-kicking if it happens”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:44 PM
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You are 100% on the PÚA stuff but many women are fans of guys doing self-improvement in the gym. “Have you been working out?” is like the most common girl pickup line.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:41 PM
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Only one of em overcame stage fright… but maybe that wasn’t an issue. Either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 10:37 PM
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Even with an effeminate guy, you powering through the smell of man-ass and another man’s precum. Bottom can put his head in a pillow. No shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 10:30 PM
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Gayer to be able to maintain an erection. I don’t know why more people don’t think of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 09:38 PM
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Turn on IG and you'll see drop-dead gorgeous women, who earn money for being such, pointing out all their "flaws" on the regular. Must be a market for this behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:16 PM
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From seeing women being eaten in person or on screen, those orgasms look significantly more intense than my avg, like it would take 3+ days of buildup for me to have one that intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:07 AM
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From what I see you have a lot of those guys but you also have a lot of extremely traditional guys here who want LTRs badly, talking about how submissive they want their wives to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 02:12 PM
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My dating behavior has been similar to that in the past, maybe not when I’ve had one FWB but at two my urgency for new women went down significantly, even in my late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 05:33 PM
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Stuff like this, this list is from one of the first articles that pops up on a quick Google search of “toxic monogamy”: Is being jealous a sign of being caring, committed, and loving? Do you think your partner should be able to meet all your needs? If they don’t, does it make you needy? Do you think you should meet all your partner’s needs? If you don’t, does it mean you’re inadequate? If your partner truly loves you, shouldn’t they feel attracted to others? If you are truly in love, does it mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:39 PM
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This whole sub is based on a fear of female sexuality and that attitude is present in much of the world outside of it. Toxic monogamic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 06:59 AM
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Getting a compliment from any woman is positive, it’s just a matter of degrees… except for the sloppy drunk, particularly she who is taking turns rubbing against every Tom Dick and Harry. Yes in that case I’m standing still hoping and waiting for somebody like you to whisk her off and probably hold her hair back later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:02 AM
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Yeah the BM-AW thing is shocking
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:31 PM
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A lot of women have a stage about tatted and thugged out guys before wanting something calmer and less drama. I have never been thuggy dude so…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:02 AM
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It’s not the rich and famous version of this person that would make me raise my eyebrows. Even the broke version is not a dealbreaker but imma need proof you’re out of that stage. Statute of limitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:36 AM
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I’m nowhere near an advocate of being an asshole to get women, but this kind of advice is from the pit of hell. Whoever is saying this has zero awareness of what it’s like to be a straight dude struggling to get dates. And also it works ironically, but only in an environment where you’re “the type” for a lot of women or where you have demonstrated value already. When women give this advice they’re already thinking of guys they have noticed—not they have decided to pursue them, but the guys have …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:59 PM
5

Yes this, in 2022 I’ve gotten more IOIs at work than in the previous 15 years combined, and I’m in a male dominated environment. Thankful to be in my 40s the first time this has happened so I am not tempted to do something stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 04:09 AM
2

Same impact due to exposure from so many POVs and people from many places, especially if a couple years are spent living on campus.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:56 AM
18

For me, it wouldn’t be about income but more about cultural commonalities. Even with uneducated high-earners the cultural disconnect is still there. That said I wouldn’t list it as a deal breaker but it turns out that way in the end. “Left Hometown for 2+ Years Not for the Military or Solely for a Partner” can substitute often.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 04:55 PM
6

For me the women I thought were hottest at 16-23 who are still trying despite a few extra lbs and grey hairs are theee finest. I reconnected of them and she’s been my “main chick” or more for a few years and it is outstanding. I can’t say that if they completely let themselves go that would be hot but simply expected physical aging + increased emotional security 💣
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 03:23 AM
1

Her thinking a prostitute is beneath her is toxic and from the pit of hell, as are all slut-shaming philosophies. But also there are men and women who really enjoy the dandyish aspect of these relationships, including men who have a lot of money, for whom sex isn’t all that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 01:34 AM
2

This. In my late 20s/early 30s I was around urban tribes which contained many people in spouse-finder mode. I recall people hooking up with several “quality” LTR prospects before finding one to ride off with. Big reason I don’t believe AF/BB narrative. Didn’t feel like women were lusting any less after guys in these groups than in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:02 PM
3

I'm closer to blue than red, probably. From what I see here, it's considered red-pilled to believe that 1) sexual attraction and morality are not correlated for women, or that 2) women have physical tastes that trigger attraction From puberty to age 21, there was a significant minority of women in my circles that loudly expressed lust over physical attributes on a regular basis. Hence the idea that "being nice" alone would get you laid/LTR didn't take hold with me. My instinct has always been to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 05:22 AM
1

I don’t have a dog in the hunt on whether people should stick to a type, just that with media now showing so many “types” smiling, confident in complimentary clothes and angles, these algorithms have got thirst traps specifically designed for you. Hadn’t seen that video before lol but yeah people out here knowing what they want haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 03:19 AM
1

Not surprised. I’d expect more folks both to develop a “type” and be able to stick to it IRL. I’ve been able to for the most part. Also been turned down by women who liked them chubby or waify, who have told me that was the reason, like “I swiped right for the face but if you ain’t 250+ I don’t want ya” Can’t hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:49 AM
1

I’m surprised this isn’t the norm experience for men and women now with OLD, IG and porn these days. People of all shapes and colors presenting as confident and sexy in media.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:17 AM
2

Upvoted for “bland food” reference
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:29 AM
2

45M straight, high 30s/low 40s, Straight. No that doesn’t feel high to me, maybe because according to that CDC study I was a late bloomer. Also spent most of my time in urban settings, I wonder if the average count is higher there. Only half my post-college years have been in a committed relationship so maybe that is a factor. Don’t care about anyone else’s, maybe if it’s too low, like <5 without a long LTR or a cult period I’d wonder (unlikely to try to get with anyone U33 at this pt). High is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:57 PM
3

They have ways of making it less awkward to initiate than to not make a move, yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:21 PM
-2

I don’t know what planet posters on here are living on. I see average dudes coupling up all around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:37 PM
1

I stumbled into that, but my marriage was not good to begin with. Upon leaving I found out I had access to all the finest women from high school, college etc. Meaning they were fine back then and kept it together. Maybe younger girls too but I separated for good at 40 and I just wasn’t interested in 30U. My experience was leaving the marriage first without regard for my SMV. Took me 6-12 months to pick up on that increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:13 PM
4

Ummm… forced-birth bad. Forced-abortion also bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:24 PM
9

Not an utter load of crap, but probably true 5-10% of the time. Witnessed women acting unlike themselves in one way or another when they “don’t wanna fuck this one up”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:10 PM
1

I don’t think that’s the reason but I’d like to see that campaign ad with woman saying “I endorse Gov so-and-so because they line up with my height preference values”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 12:53 AM
2

Agreed. For straight guys it is very easy to live your standards while being abrasive to no one. Can’t speak for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:27 AM
10

I agree. I feel like dudes cold-approach women 10% of what they/we did 15 years ago, that even goes for checking women out in public. Everything’s online now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:54 AM
10

50/50 by a mile. Every time I've tried to date a really trad or submissive woman it feels off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:51 PM
1

He is an outlier in many ways, but the women are desperate to believe in him. I know more women, that if they come across an OLD profile acting like he does in person, they'll question why a guy with those statistics is simping so hard. He's like Tinder Swindler but just with the goal of fucking every woman in sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:37 PM
2

This guy has a point. I know somebody to this day that is all flowers-and-candy and over the top at extremely early stages in meeting and that is his game to woo an absurd amount of women, whether for FWB or LTRs (as in multiple, I have no idea how he manages). He is aware that for these women he is a prime relationship object.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:10 PM
5

I feel like this is the answer to 95% of questions here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:26 PM
2

Different to a certain degree. I feel like I learned things through trial, error and instruction between 20-24 that get you 70% of the way there so to speak. Just imagine people can look that kind of stuff up now whereas 20 years ago it was harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:05 AM
1

I'm adding other assumptions that are baked in: -Monogamy -The less attractive partner is less attractive in the eyes of the majority of the population. -There is something real binding us together that we find worthwhile that is not sexual attraction. -There is some sexual activity in which one partner looks forward to it, and the other is taking one for the team. I'm going with B for crude unenlightened reasons. I can imagine a woman who is not attracted to me not being aroused by oral sex, ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:37 AM
1

I don’t know of any decent looking guys in my demographic who are just sitting around being asexual. Some date a lot but are slow to have sex, and some are likely in sexless marriages but just happy to mow the lawn and go to work, nope. Same for women actually, most I know of who are asexual or low sex drive have let themselves go, with the notable exception of a few professional actresses for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:08 PM
2

Hmmm I was a bit of a late bloomer, I suspect these non-communicators are largely U25. I’ve had a few like that, it’s way uncomfortable, but fortunately most of my experience has involved active participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 03:55 AM
7

I can’t relate to not caring whether she gets off. Had an LTR where it was like a combination lock, but it was still fun turning the knob. I don’t know man
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:04 AM
13

I had an incident like that this year where this beyond-drunk WW was approaching many guys and eventually made her way to me. I was not gonna take her up on anything for fear of vomit, but her pack was really enthusiastic about rescuing her. They did not put any effort into disentangling her from a safe 5'9" white guy not too long after.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:20 AM
5

I am surprised this is still a thing in 2022. I'd expect young dudes could look up "how to induce the orgasm" type of info that would be fairly accurate by now. It is true that getting sex itself is a whole entire skill for guys, but I assumed you could access really good sex education online now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:16 AM
1

You said not ugly… if somebody is generally a 5-6, s/he is somebody’s 8. Go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:17 PM
2

Count 30s, 40+M 20+ is not that high, especially once you hit 30. Many people I know have had a “sloppy year” where they’ve had a dozen or more. Sloppy whether male or female, because usually there’s some emotional pain behind it when you’re rackin em up like that, most commonly the ending of an LTR, and/or women going through depression. College might be an exception to this. Edit: My personal sloppy year was like 15 which over a third of my total. No regrets, I likely could have had higher but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:19 PM
3

Even in '02 that wasn't super great
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:55 AM
1

I don’t know why people lead with negativity in their profiles. I was further shocked to have a few women tell me that dudes do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:03 AM
2

I'd agree but I still know people that do it successfully now. I have a recently separated cousin who was flirting with several women including one offs in the street this year. That skill has atrophied for me personally now. FWIW in 1999 people online were saying the exact same things about the political climate, feminism this and that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:53 AM
2

I’m old but I and many of my cohorts had a day or week like this in our 20s of approaching 20-30 girls or whatever. I don’t know if it offers any other tangible benefit but everyone learned how to approach women and not get humiliated, inducing polite rejections at worst, learning who to just plain avoid by body language alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:33 PM
2

45M 2 1/2 months. That was earlier this year. I was looking for a side-chick basically. I’m in an open relationship so it would be sanctioned, I was upfront about the situation. I went on three different apps and reached out to a couple of women I dated pre-Covid. My goal was not a one-night stand but that’s all I got out of it. Looking for more like a weekly arrangement but that’s not easy to find. If I misrepresented myself as looking for a monogamous situation and lowered my standards just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:23 AM
1

This points to the fact a swipe right is clearly not the same as an eyefuck for either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:35 PM
17

The newbie boost is real though. Maybe there’s no point in staying on them, but you get a lot of swipes initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:33 PM
4

Women are more sexually confident. Men and women are more just plain confident. Yes there are extremely hot women over 30, 35, 40 compared to 20-30 years ago. They’re less likely to play games, shit test, definitely less hot/cold because they’re more comfortable in their skin. If they want you they want you and if they don’t they don’t need to boost their egos by breadcrumbing. They respond to compliments wayyyyy better than women in their early 20s. Dudes from what I hear are less defensive and…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:24 PM
2

These laws that are coming out suck unwashed ass smh. If you told me about dating apps / IG/OF back in 2004, I'd have thought they would be overwhelmingly positive... and for me they basically have been. When I first heard of young guys complaining about lack of matches on Tinder my reaction was dismissive. Why back in my day... Some of this angsty stuff goes away with age. I'm 40+ and men and women are more confident at this age than 20 years prior. As I hinted most guys that were somewhat to v…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:30 AM
1

I have sympathy for some guys are as dating was harder for me and every one of my male friends at 24 than 34. Also sympathy for the women who deal directly with being lashed out at. This N count thing is new, even the most bitter guys back in “my day” didn’t bring that up much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:01 PM
1

And he had plenty opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 10:16 PM
1

An alternate the “Man with a high N is a champion” thing is that women considered highly attractive especially in their 20s generally are not impressed easily. They don’t compliment guys often at all, especially ones they don’t know very well. One could say sex is the ultimate act of a woman physically approving of a man. This is why high N guy is usually thought of as having done SOMETHING right in order to be approved of by so many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:08 PM
2

Yeah before hanging out at this forum only u25s and the odd Kevin Samuels fan are the only ones I ever heard talk about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:52 PM
2

Yeah I’m like a 3 walking around at noon, but an 8 at event where somebody, however flimsily, can vouch for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:17 PM
4

Yeah even house parties where a convo can be started with “how do you know ____” up the odds greatly for guys. Basically anything that gets you from full-stranger to half-stranger. Most guys here will say that’s illogical but I’ve seen this too many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:02 PM
1

I’m an old guy but when I saw this coming 15-17 years ago I thought it would be better for guys because getting shot down in private >> the walk of shame in public. Also in cities one could have a low batting average and still have enough plates to spin.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:44 PM
1

The messaging is not intended for marriage, but for many women that messaging is just driven so hard that sex makes them dirty that it doesn’t disappear on their wedding night, even when they’d like it to. You can search something like “purity culture effects on women”, bound to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 06:11 AM
2

I’m not purity-focused whatsoever but this info comes from first, second and third-hand stories from friends and therapists. It’s not usually guys who have this issue but women. Apparently some churches tell women they’re like chewed-up pieces of gum for not being virginal and that type of imagery does not go away easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 10:27 PM
2

That “sex is dirty” part is real though. And it does NOT go away with marriage much of the time. If someone has their identity wrapped up in being pure and virginal, often it takes therapy to undo that even after marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 07:31 PM
1

I have seen men do this several times, in the name of going for a lower-maintenance partner for the long term. These guys’ cups had runneth over for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:25 PM
2

Not in pursuing, but the ancillary stuff. Fewer people that feel like they can speak on my personal life. For women it's like they have to get the approval of one or more Committees before acting on a dude. My sexuality has lower street value but it's not community property. Everything related to physical safety, lower STI vulnerability. Ability to post up somewhere solo and check out the "scenery" without drawing attention--especially as an introvert. It's harder to get casual sex as a guy, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 09:53 AM
1

In my over-40 experience there are women who have checked out of this altogether. Like done-done. Most of them have the physical appearance/posture to indicate this. Women who are cute or hot over 40 have opted into it, and hence not going without. Time makes you bolder…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 12:56 AM
2

I’m mid 40s yeah. If you’re in a bluer area this dynamic has changed quite a bit compared to say 2005, especially with AW. I basically never saw Ax/Bx couples even in blue areas back then. Also people get bolder with age and care less about their parents’ or hometown’s stigmas. The numbers aren’t big but comparatively there are a lot more BW dating non-BM than 15-20 years ago. Also with WW there could be the whole political backdrop now. WW still run more liberal than WM even if they aren’t all …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:44 PM
1

I live in such an area you mentioned. I am now post-hookup age, more like ENM. Even when I was younger I had more luck in areas like this due to sheer numbers. You might be right about “getting run over” but I can’t relate. I’m out of touch with what things are like for say 28Ms here. I didn’t find OLD until age 39 and by that time finding 5-6 33+Ws was almost easy. I’m sure my batting avg is lower than WM but it’s enough for me. I do believe a large portion of this is the very high population i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:58 PM
3

6’+ BM here… sorta… on an overall basis there are fewer women attracted to us than white guys but women who are attracted are louder about it and hence easier to spot. Also I’m more attracted to louder sexuality than demure, with a possible exception for BW. Had a BM friend years ago that was really attracted to girl-next-door WW and AW. Constant complains similar to here. Most girls he was into wouldn’t be on my radar but I’m sure I wasn’t on theirs for the most part either. They were into whit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:35 PM
0

This is the most likely outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 09:39 PM
3

I completely agree, with the exception that dating in the "real world" for 23-26 year old guys sucks, and has sucked for at least the last 20-plus years, since I was that age. I think older men, young women and other demographics all have different reasons for not acknowledging this but it is so blatantly clear. If we just lowered expectations for guys in their 20s there would be a lot less frustration. I don't think women even begin seeing men as "in our prime" until say 28 at earliest, even th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:48 AM
1

In my experience and with other dudes I know, sex appeal keeps rising with life experience starting around 27-30 as long as you remain physically and mentally healthy through age 45,50 at least
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:59 AM
1

I just fell in love with your self-esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:13 AM
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