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You should, if you want me to treat you like adults and not children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:57 PM
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Compliments are fine. "You're perfect, you go gurrrl, you're amazing" just because she posted a picture of herself on facebook is not. You cheer on children for doing basic tasks, not adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:52 PM
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Because it's literally impossible for me to respect someone who needs to be told how beautiful and perfect and amazing she is in order to feel good about herself. That's not the mark of a mature individual, and it's definitely not the behavior of a "strong and independent" one. Although, judging by your flair, i'm assuming i'm talking to a wall here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:50 PM
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Yep. I'm a firm believer that both genders are equally shitty, but it just manifests itself differently. However, i don't get how so many women who claim to want empowerment, simultaneously behave the way that these women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:44 PM
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Standards are fine. Double standards are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 09:28 AM
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Are you sure you're talking about FEMRAdebates and not MensLib? Menslib would do something like that, but what you're saying is nothing like what i've experienced in FEMRA.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 05:22 AM
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I disagree with the money part. Money is an incredibly important aspect, especially for women, when it comes to dating. However, in order for it to actively override her other standards, then it has to be significantly more, that i agree with. But just compare your Average Joe vs your Average Unemployed Joe on the dating market. Money is definitely a factor and an important one at that. IIRC, like 70% of women say that their partners wage is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 12:59 PM
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The same thing as women do? I mean, apart from sex, what do women bring to a relationship that men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 12:55 PM
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I think those men confuse correlation with causation. They look at alphas and (obviously) want to be like them, so they try to copy their traits. However, what they don't get is that the reason alphas and "bad boys" are popular is not because they are douchebags, but because they are interesting, dangerous and confident and that their arrogant and douchey attitude is simply a consequence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 08:38 AM
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Perhaps, but in the end the result is same. RedPillers just have a much cruder way of saying it, probably because of their "Edgy" attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 01:44 AM
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I think most men are ok with willing ignorance on the subject. I won't ask about her n-number, and i expect her to not ask about mine, however i would lie if i said me finding out that she's had a lot of casual sex wouldn't at the very least make me rethink it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:54 AM
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1: People aren't saying that it's celebrated as much as they're saying that it's not shamed. At least not to the same degree. Whether or not this is true or not, eh, i don't know. I've had people try to shame me for my promiscuity in the past. Mostly jealous men. However, i think that the main mistake this argument does is to think that it's equally done by men. As you say, it's not men who shame women for being sluts, it's other women. When a guy says he's slept with a lot of women, he is celeb…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 07:12 PM
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I'm hostile to some parts of RP, not all of them. One of the most important things i learned from this sub was to split up TRP into The Sub, The users and The theory. I'm not opposed most of the core theory behind it, but i think the users and the sub is awful and in no way represents what the core theory is about. I'm not sure if it ever did, but it certainly doesn't now. Thus, i consider myself purple.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 06:57 PM
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TRP is mostly practical and logic based, concerned about what works. Feminism is emotion based, achieves things for itself by manipulating perception and image. No offense, dude, but you're pretty obviously biased in this question. I'm no fan of feminism, but come on. "My side is full of logic, and logic driven. The other side is just stupid" //every political and social ideology, in the history of mankind.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 06:54 PM
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I found this sub very recently and quite enjoy it. I try to see both sides, and i particularily like how this sub has actually gotten me to reconsider some positions that i've held, through polite and reasonable discussions. But yeah...Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 05:47 PM
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If you're going to intentionally misinterpret what i say and ignore my clarifications, then i'm not going to waste my time. Good bye. Women's well-being takes priority over men. Women get pregnant. Women have children. Men do not. Women are far more valuable than men, dude. For every Alexander The Great there's millions more that aren't worth much lol. Now look at all the pretty and beautiful women out there in the western world and tell me again how do men have more value than me, or at least t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 01:40 PM
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Yep. Two sides of the same coin, with all the good, but also all the bad of both sides. And nowadays, it feels like it's mostly bad. Which is also why i don't call myself red.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 01:10 PM
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wow, so hurting women if it benefits men is something young men should do? Some things in life cannot be won unless someone else loses. If you get a job, it means someone else didn't. If you win a match, it means someone lost. NOw, i agree that sexual harrassment is obviously not one of those things, but im' just saying. What he is saying is that TRP isn't advocating for sexual harrassment. However, TRP makes a point about being exclusively for men, and thus if you ignore morals, the reason a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 12:57 PM
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Personally, i kindof agree with you. I did raise an eyebrow when reading that however i see 2 reasons for that argument. 1: It also works on people who don't give a fuck about the well being of others. 2: It's a nice analogy to how whenever a false-rape-allegation, people always act as if the main victim are other rape victims, not the person who's actually being falsely accused. I'm not sure RedPillers genuinely believe that argument they're saying. It seems more like an edgy "Fuck you, this pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:02 AM
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I don't know. I think most men date one or two crazy women and then learn to stay far, far away from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 08:54 PM
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It's not particularly far fetched, because people who look like Depp or Chad wouldn't need to go to TRP to begin with. The fact of the matter is that TRP primarily caters to men who have been unsuccessful in dating, so it makes sense to assume that they are not particularily attractive. Then again, accusing people of being ugly neckbeards is pretty much the go-to insult against men on the internet. I wouldn't put too much importance on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 08:50 PM
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And criminally, women have a higher rate of going to prison than that of men and about damn time too. TIL. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:11 PM
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You'll have a difficulty finding any "Fair and balance" discussion in any gendered-community, however at least most of the Manosphere subs won't ban you for expressing them. Perhaps it's my bias, but i see a lot more "To be fair"-objections in the male-dominated communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:09 PM
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Assuming the OP is a woman, and you're a man, isn't this a pretty clear-cut case of "I have it worse!" " No i have it worse!"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:07 PM
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I'm usually pretty jaded to these, but assuming you're talking about physical abuse, i'd say that comparing a sexless relationship to an abusive relationship is in very poor taste. However, if you're meaning exclusively an emotionally abusive relationship, then perhaps one could say that refusing sex can be seen as a sort of emotional abuse, assuming it's intentional and not just caused by a lack of sex-drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 07:48 PM
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Defining value based on things society,you and women say they want. I'm talking about sexual value, in which my metrics for success is very accurate. As is proven by my success. False, women date alpha males, you can be a billionaire, out going and fit and she will still choose the meth addict over you. Lolwut? What planet are you from? What purpose does it serve It verifies my credibility. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Doesn't seem like they truly care if they wanted to get laid more they…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 07:41 PM
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Because you are creating a false narrative to speak about something you don't understand, it's clear you don't know the basis of red pill theory. Funny, because imo my experience and success in dating automatically makes my opinion on the subject more valid than yours. Tell me, what exactly am i getting wrong about TRP? women date weed smokers, video game players and men with no job all the time Sure they do. But nowhere near as much as they want to date fit, outgoing, talented and ambitious men…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 05:41 PM
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There are tons of better hills to fight over. As long as there are more articles written about mansplaining and manspreading than there are about male suicide rates and workplace accidents, i won't respect feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 05:23 PM
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Please tell me more about my social group and experiences. I'm degrading these males because they deserve it. I know it's comfortable to just blame women for not wanting to date you, but i know my friends and social group very well and most of them had absolutely nothing to offer, didn't put in any effort, and couldn't hold any conversation. They got laid occasionally, but compared to me they were still nothing. And that was their own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 05:17 PM
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If anything, the fact that they make such a big deal out of it proves just how fucking fragile and privileged that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 05:09 PM
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In what scenarios do these women "Reveal" that? Dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 03:42 PM
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My dislike for feminists is because of IRL experiences, but no it's not as common as the internet makes it out to be. The outrage culture inflates everything, both on the RP side and on the BP side of things. I recently encountered a woman using "Mansplaining" when referring to her landlord telling her to clean up her hair after showering, after the drain clogged, but that's as close as i've gotten to the SJW-wave IRL. I generally don't hang out around feminists at all, and those who meet me hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 03:42 PM
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Fair enough. I've had bad experiences of similar seriousness with women as well, but i just attribute it to being bad apples. Kindof like how some women get with abusive boyfriends. It makes sense to be wary afterwards and take precautions, but you can't just go around being afraid of a whole gender because of it. As for crying their way out of shit, i learned that very early and it's one of the main reasons i rejected femininsm. I was told that women was equally capable and strong and should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 03:37 PM
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I think BPs failure to understand RP concepts is because RP do a fucking horrible job at presenting them. It's a bit like debates i've had recently, where women have told me that "Fragile masculinity" is about breaking down the barriers that lock men into "Toxic masculininty" and my only response to it is that it's the worst fucking presentation of the decade. It doesn't matter if you have a good message in the core, because if you suck balls at presenting it, then nobody will listen anyways. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 03:33 PM
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Yep, i can't deny that women are really bad at giving men dating advice. But, imo, that's something most guys figure out on their own eventually. I became pretty well known as a player, so i never had anybody try to teach me that crap anyways. Women giving men dating advice, is basically the equivalent of a rich-born kid telling poor people how to survive. They are extremely privileged, and while it's frustrating that they are so oblivious to it, you can't really judge them for it. The only time…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 03:27 PM
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True. However, one of the reasons i avoid TRP is also because it breeds paranoia. You never hear about anything good women do there. It's either a guy did something good, or a woman did something bad. The same goes for pretty much all demographic-oriented community. Those kinds of communities are incredibly poisonous for your psyche. They breed paranoia out of nowhere. That's the main reason i won't go to the sub even if i agree with some small parts of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:59 PM
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No offense, but how do you know she was a golddigger then? I'm assuming you got screwed over in the divorce or something, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was a gold-digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:56 PM
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I'm a guy but I don't want kids right now because i have a lot of shit i want to get done, and when you get a child it's impossible to continue your current lifestyle, one that i'm not finished with yet. I assume that the same applies for women. Sure, there are some women i'd say that to because they would make fucking horrible mothers, and i'm sure some women d the same, but the biggest factor is simply because i want to live my own life first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:41 PM
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No offense, but it sounds like you're spending too much time on social media. Social media makes everything seem more extreme. In reality, it's not that big of a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:38 PM
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I avoid golddiggers by exclusively dating independent women who have career ambitions and are well educated. I also expect her to pay for half of pretty much everything. Sure, you can never be 100% safe, but as long as she's making roughly the amount of what i am, then it's pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:36 PM
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That's definitely far more extreme than i feel about it, but every man for himself on that one. I always treated women as equals, with all the privileges and most of the expectations i put on men. I don't think too much about AWALT, or treating women as children. I only treat people like children if they prove they are incapable of being adults, men or women alike. Although i have been accused by the class feminist for having a "Horrible view on women" because i was pretty vocal about my distast…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:33 PM
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Do you think that may be related to how feminism is generally a white movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:29 PM
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If it's designed for me to lose I'm refusing to play fair. Ironically, that is the same way a lot of Redpillers feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:27 PM
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For me it was the opposite. I thought the sub was ridiculous. I still do. However, since i started browsing this sub i've gotten a bit more sympathy for the underlying core-philosophy behind TRP and realize that a lot of it are things i've always known. I just hate how it implements itself in reality. Same with all self-improvement subs. They attract the bitter and the losers, and this turns the community to shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 02:24 PM
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I'm wondering because i've realized that my father used to teach me some of these things. He was very successful and popular when he was younger and told me about how some girls came to the university just to find a guy to marry. Warned me about gold-diggers and how i shouldn't idolize women, always wear a ocndom because some girls are crazy and warned me about some women getting fat after marriage when they've "locked down" a man. To me, it always seemed like pretty much common sense, but then …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 01:20 PM
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I think that Romance is definitely dead, if you define it as the old-fashioned, male-initated romance. I live in a very feministic country, and romance pretty much doesn't exist. If you want both equality and a traditional romance, then you're probably going to get disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 12:35 PM
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I don't agree with that either, though. It exists for a reason. But i do hate how it's impossible to say "Younger women" without some people immediately assuming that you're talking about prepubescent girls. That's part of that "Shame" strategy i talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 09:18 PM
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Q4Men: do you care what your partner looks like in the morning when you wake up next to them (without makeup)? Of course i care. However, i am well aware that we all look like shit when we wake up, to some degree. My gf looks great with makeup on but is still pretty without it. If she looked like an ogre without makeup, but used makeup to hide it, i would probably have a problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 11:18 AM
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that you believe red pillers only get upset when the hate is directed at them Pretty much. Redpillers frequently prove that they have absolutely no problem with being incredibly offensive towards others, which is why i don't take it particularly serious when they complain about hate directed at them. It's typical cognitive dissonance, and it's very, very common in internet communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 10:53 AM
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That's not what i'm saying. I'm asking if you and the guy above would accuse these subs of being hate subs, or if it's only when you're the target?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 10:44 AM
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a group that actively hunts for anything it can remotely find offensive and then be offended by it Do you think that TiA is a hate-sub? Is KiA? CringeAnarchy? FatLogic? JustNeckBeardThings? ChoosingBeggars? SubredditDrama? There are fucktons of those subs. The only reason you are offended by TBP is because they specifically target you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 10:30 AM
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And TBP can be seen as an effort to prevent people from falling into toxic TRP beliefs. Their sticky is a warning about users who have had their marriages ruined by TRP. FatPeopleHate claimed to help discourage people from being fat. You've essentially defined "Hate group" as something that exclusively affects people who you disagree with, whereas you give sides you agree with enough benefit of the doubt to avoid that label.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 09:50 AM
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Substitute it for "SJWs" and i doubt you'd say that it was a hateful statement. While i'm usually a big fan of the "swapping pronouns" method to display hypocricy, this isn't a case i'd agree with because RedPillers aren't some sort of culture or ethnicity. It's a bunch of people on a subreddit. You might as well say that people who bash Incels are "hate-mongering"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 09:07 AM
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I'm not attacking you here. I'm merely trying to explain why the previous dude was upset over it. For me, it doesn't bother me particularily, because i don't take the Blue Pill any more serious than i take the Red Pill. I think what the guy is asking for is a more nuanced view on it, based on the fact that women like the previously mentioned exists and shows that women can be just as fucked up as men. BluePilelrs talk about how vile RedPillers are, but completely ignore that many RedPillers are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 01:48 AM
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People, even MRAs, dont tend to bring it up too much because even they are aware that these absurdities are relatively rare. However, Lena Dunham is a very famous person, andd the "Diversity officer" getting to keep her position, does say a bit about it anyways. As for it being "some kind of misandry", it is as pure of misandry as one could possibly imagine. I don't visit BluePill either. I feel they are far too smug and insufferable. But the argument i think is that they ignore these things com…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 05:39 PM
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“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart . "Life" in this "society" being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of "society" being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and eliminate the male sex. //Valerie Solanas (Author of the SCUM manifest. Anyone with any background …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 11:00 AM
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No-one changed their views whatsoever. first of all, i don't come here with the intention to change views. I come here because i like the discussion. That said, reading posts and comments here has widened my views and given me more understanding for both BluePillers and RedPillers.7 Solid post though, m8.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 10:49 AM
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There are definitely some feminists who does it. More than what's acceptable. But it's still s few that it doesn't really need to be taken into account, compared to some much more common toxic beliefs feminists have. That said, the worst part about the feminists advocating for genocide is how little reaction they summon in other feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 01:17 AM
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I think that the reason people want to get divorces are emotional. Few divorce exclusively for the money. However, knowing that you'll get a good deal makes people far, far more likely to go through with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 01:09 PM
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First of all: Marriage isn't all about sex. Secondly: Marriage rates are already dwindling and less and less men want to marry. Although i wouldn't attribute too much of that to TRP, but some disillusionment on mens behalf might be a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:52 PM
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At least you're consistent. I'm ok with offensive humor, even when it makes fun of me. However, some jokes are out of line and if you pride yourself on a moral highground and constantly whine about sexism against women, then don't write an article about how funny domestic violence against men is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:14 PM
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Yep. I feel that people here have this weird mutual bitter-acceptance of eachother, where we kindof don't like the other side but we're here because we are open to hear them talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:10 PM
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Do you laugh at rape-jokes as well? Do you laugh at posts on The_donald about how degenerate muslims are?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:09 PM
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Sure some women are bitter. Yeah, and that user got 50 upvotes while openly admitting to me a misandrist. If you can't see the problem with neither that nor the Jezebel article, then i'm not going to waste any air on you because you're either trolling or just another sexist bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:06 PM
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Let me write a "tongue-in-cheek" article, about how "It's best for my wife not to fuck with me, or i'll open a can of whoopass on her" and then list all the times my friends have beaten up their wifes, and we'll see how well that will be recieved. All those Tongue-in-Cheek racist and sexist posts on TRP or other alt-right subs. You don't see a problem with those either?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:02 PM
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Because to men, and especially young ones, how you react to physical confrontations greatly affects your social standard. Telling a guy to just walk away is a bit like telling a girl to "just ignore the bullies" If you genuinely don't think there is a gender-difference in how physical alterations are handled, then you've lived a very privileged and shielded life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:00 PM
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Feminists actually discourage this view. Strange, because they certainly do a lot of "MISOGYNY!" whenever you criticize a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:58 PM
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Now i know you're just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:57 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/5kkzl4/as_a_perpetually_single_plussize_woman_mrw/dbosx3y/ You can read the rest of the comments in that thread aswell. They're similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:56 PM
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Unfortunately, for men, that's not how it works. However, if that happened again i doubt i would be as lenient as i was back when i was 17. No, and i don't agree with the above poster either. People who advocate for over-violence are the worst part of those "Justice" subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:12 PM
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According to OP, men should act bigoted and misogynistic, and the fact that there are other people out there who are bigoted as well makes everything okay. Please link to where i said that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:10 PM
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That's hyperbole. There are definitely parts of TRP that can be seen as oppressive and manipulative, such as Dread Game etc. You're doing a feminist-style motte and bailey argument, where when someone attacks the outer layer, you immediately retreat and go "What, are you against equality/giving men some sexual power?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:41 PM
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As someone who has had a woman punch me repeatedly in the face in front of a crowd with nobody to intervene and with the knowledge that i couldn't do anything back either: Yes, it is very satisfying to watch a woman who thought she was safe because of her gender get slapped in the face after she crossed the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:38 PM
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In general, taking the credit, or the blame, of what other people have done is stupid because you deserve neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:34 PM
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AskWomen, for example, have rules regarding "Derailing" and "Invalidating" that is almost exclusively enforced against men who try to object to sexist generalizations. The biggest difference between AskMen and AskWomen is the moderators, which are like night and day, where AW is run practically like North Korea who only allow one specific attitude that they agree with, whereas AM is run with tongue-in-cheek and the mods are constantly shitposting and only remove the absolute worst. I remember my…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:30 PM
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Do you genuinely think that "Many feminists" are advocating for male genocide?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:06 PM
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When i'm talking about the Femosphere, i'm not talking about average feminists. The femosphere consists of radical feminists, which in very many ways are extremely similar to RedPillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 03:31 PM
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PussyPassDenied (Just realized PurplePillDebate has the same acronym) can be fun sometimes, but only in small amounts. Like with TRP and other Manosphere places, spending too long in there tends to poison your experiences of the real world. It makes you see malice where there is none, and can breed paranoia and mistrust for no reason. I'm pretty sure the same goes for women who spend too much time in Femosphere places. Reading about the concentrated vile of a group of people is never good for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 03:27 PM
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That's fair, but there is, imo, more rape-apologism in the deeper reaches of the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 02:29 PM
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Well, i'd say the most infamous example is this one: http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have However, i'm aware that other sites are not THAT bad. But nontheless, they post a neverending stream of "Lol white people" or "Urgh, men." Creepshots of men: https://www.buzzfeed.com/michelleregna/is-that-a-baguette-in-your-pocket Men are stupid: http://jezebel.com/men-are-alarmingly-dumb-science-says-1670265289 Honeslty. I could go on. It's just a neverending shitsto…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 01:28 PM
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I'm not talking about dead bedrooms, i'm talking about the "icky omega sperm" crap. I don't know, same reason women lie about being mistreated? It gives them sympathy and a place to vent? Because right now you're assuming that all guys are being 100% truthful and not in any way changes the story to make them seem better. Really, if you can't even condemn such obvious bullshit as the one i quoted, then i'd say that the critique of TRP is very. very well warranted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:36 AM
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Go to buzzfeed or EDF and then come back here and write an article about how shitty men are. And when questioned about it, or the bias, you just reply "Well, why would they lie?" Go on. I'll wait. But i doubt you could take even 2 minutes of being talked to in the same way that you talk about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:29 AM
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Also by the same whiny women and their orbiters. Most rational men (and women) won't disagree with you. Cross is delusional and shows a complete lack of any personal experiences. Shit like this: Nope, it's once every other month starfish missionary only from now on, while she immediately leaps up after he ejaculates so she can squat over the toilet and expel the icky omega sperm that was just shot into her. Do you genuinely agree with him when he says stuff like that? That, and the fact that he …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:26 AM
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Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:23 AM
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Come back once you've been to Buzzfeed or EveryDay Feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:12 AM
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Not really. Most men agree with you. Sure, a bunch if women might whine about it, but those are the kind of women who will whine about anything. When TRP gets criticised, it's because of shit like what LewisCross is saying in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:11 AM
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I will, when you go to TwoX or Buzzfeed and read up on how shitty men can be. If you don't think there is a bias then you're beyond any saving or reasonable discourse and i'm just not going to bother with you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:10 AM
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Yeah and if you read reports and comments in the femosphere, men are literally the spawn of satan who just won't stop raping and beating up women. You're about as much of a "reporter" as Jessica Valenti, dude. you can't go into one of the most biased internet centers in existence and expect to form a rational and realistic opinion out of it exclusively based on what people tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:05 AM
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TRP gets criticized a lot, for a lot of things, not just the "life isn't fair" attitude. Which i've never heard anyone object to. When people criticise TRP, they usually point out the shit that even mot RedPillers don't deny is a shitty part of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:59 PM
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Nope, it's once every other month starfish missionary only from now on, while she immediately leaps up after he ejaculates so she can squat over the toilet and expel the icky omega sperm that was just shot into her. Come on, man, do you genuinely believe the stuff you're writing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:55 PM
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True, but the title itself carries status. An engineer has the negative stigma of being nerdy and socially awkward, but that title is also viewed with respect in a professional manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:02 PM
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I'd say that morally they are shunned, however they are still respected with regards to SMV and from a purely professional viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:55 PM
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In theory it's supposed to mean "Seeing things for what they are" but really, it's just a way to say "Seeing something the same way i do"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 03:21 PM
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This is why female sexuality needed to be somewhat controlled to allow civilization to prosper Seriously, dude? You need to get out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:56 PM
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Eh, i really think that the Chad concept needs to be better defined because every single time it's brought up, the description of it changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:55 PM
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Depends entirely on the man. Some men are inspired by it, some see it as a excuse to give up. Motivation is very double-edged, and what motivates some may demoralize others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:54 PM
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Eh, that last part is mostly a very small, whiny and unhappy minority. What i meant was how women tell men that they shouldn't have to be manly, or conform, and mock men who are, yet they still fawn over rich, ambitious, tall, masculine football players etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:21 PM
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True. Maybe i'm suffering from confirmation bias here and see what i want to see. But if you look at purely statistical relationship-data, then more and more people remain single longer, less people get married, less people are getting children etc. Still, you're right that the vast majority of people lead happy lives with reasonably happy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:05 AM
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True. And good looking/successful men get tons of sex. However, for the average woman (And man), the dating market is much worse. Especially since many of younger women have overinflated egos from growing up being told how great they are and how amazing their lives will be etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:59 AM
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I've derived some pleasure in the past from rejecting, or leading on, women who were trying to hit on me. It felt a bit like "Fuck yeah, role reversal. How do you like it?" Especially since i live in a very feminist country. This attitude is mostly influenced by simply how entitled some women are when it comes to expecting men to do most of the work, and how offended they get when they get rejected. A huge pet-peeve of me is reading women complain about how men don't approach them, or even worse…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:44 AM
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That's a lot of what has happened in later years, though. Millennials have sex less, get married less etc. Men simply don't care as much about it. The response: "Why aren't men approaching me? Men today are too scared of strong women" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:33 AM
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As others have said, there i one downside: The biological clock. Women have a time limit that men just don't have. Also, competition is real. And the more picky they are, the longer it takes for them to find a partner. And good partners go fast. Those who hold out for Mr. Perfect, or vastly overestimate their value might find that all the "Mr. Almost-Perfect" are already taken by the time she realizes that Mr. Perfect isn't coming. Other than that, i agree. They are picky and choosy because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:21 AM
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If there are so many studies then you shoudln't have any trouble linking one. "You go find proof for what i'm saying" isn't a valid argument
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 11:11 PM
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I'm laughing at you for being so defensive, or "fragile" the second i used the same rhethoric agaisnt feminism and blackness as you used against masculinity. No, i think it came out of the same cesspit that spawned Mansplaining, Manspreading, Man-flu etc. Essentially, maybe it originally had some semblance of a rational thought behind it but nowadays it's really just used to shame and shit on men who don't conform to the way that these feminists want them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 10:06 PM
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I'm giving examples. However, i do find it interesting that when "your side" is attacked, you immediately go on the defensive even when i'm being hypothetical. So, for the sake of argument, allow me: Damn, are your beliefs are so fragile that you have to think everything is just simply an attack? You just proved my point. Like, 4 times over. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 09:41 PM
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Except that, if you would change some pronouns, i doubt you'd say the same. Imagine, for example, if someone would say "Lol, you're femininity is so fragile that you can't handle someone asking questions?" Would you say that's an observation, or an attack? Or this one: "Lol, you're blackness is so fragile that you can't handle people disagreeing with BLM?" Would the people who were affected by these statements just be fragile and insecure in their femininity or blackness? Where is the line? How …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 08:52 PM
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Those two are not mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 08:05 PM
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Ironically, you just used it to attack him
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 08:00 PM
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I'd say the same about femininsts and SJWs, but i do also dismiss peoples arguments if they can't form them in a proper and civilized manner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:55 PM
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That's like saying that Not giving a woman, who deserves it, a promotion isn't sexist because technically you didn't do anything
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:56 PM
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Doesn't matter what the underlying idea is. It's a shitty way to refer to it. Tell me, when someone refers to women getting preferential treatment in the justice system as "Pussy Pass" how seriously do you take their arguments? Sure, technically they are correct. But will you listen?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:50 PM
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A good start for that discussion would be to call it "The restrictions of masculininty" then, not "The frailty" of it. Also, it would also help if when guys complained about it, the response wasn't "Lololol, look at these fragile fucking men" Except, that would require that it wasn't just all about demonizing men. Which, in my experience, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:04 PM
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Because when it's directed at men, the response is: "Lol, stupid men for buying it" while gendered products directed at woman are countered with "Lol, stupid companies for making them"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:01 PM
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Maybe it can have something to do with the fact that women attack their own gender role, whereas now they are attacking mens gender roles, something that they have absolutely no understanding of whatsoever. You know how big a fan feminists are of telling people not to "Invalidate" them? Despite this, they certainly like to tell men how they should react and feel with regards to their own masculinity. And finally, as i said earlier, you can't attack masculinity on one hand while rewarding masculi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 05:26 PM
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Well, that is what most men, me included, do. I cook, clean, sew, eat healthy etc. In fact i do a lot of feminine things that even my gf doesn't know how to do. But i still value my masculinity. It's a part of me, just like how many women value their femininity despite being independent. Sometimes if feels good to be a man. And i'm not going to put up with a bunch of women telling me how to feel, especially when they would never stand for the same treatment applied in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 05:23 PM
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men whose masculinity is disturbed by women earning more than them is fragile masculinity. http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/640467/Rich-decline-date-men-earn-less-good-looking-dating 60% of women rejected men exclusively because he earned less than them. 96% of men said they wouldn't have a problem with their wife earning more than them Tell me again which it was that was fragile?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 05:18 PM
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I mean that if "Fragile Masculininty" is actually about letting men be free from traditional gender roles, then they couldn't possibly have chosen a worse way to present it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 05:07 PM
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Also, if that concept is the "true" meaning why is that bad policy? You lost me there. Can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:58 PM
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I've found that Toxic masculinity carries the same implied meaning and bad presentation. The people who use it do so in a way to demonize men for being men. Such as for example schools teaching men about their toxic masculininty. Imagine being told that your gender is toxic when you're just a kid? How about instead of shitting on masculinity, we open up new doors instead? How about, before we go breaking down masculinity and demonizing men for it, we give some options first?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:53 PM
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If that truly is the meaning behind it, i believe that they may have done the single worst policy-promotion of the century. However, the fact that every time they bring it up and men complain, the reponse is "Lol look at all these fragile men in the comments" instead of "Fragile masculininty means this and that etc." i'd say it's safe to say it's a concept pushed by bigots and sexists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:49 PM
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I mean, there has definitely been cases where women have reinforced masculininty by rewarding masculine men, or for example the White Feather movement, but this guy does sound a bit tin-foily. Both male and female gender roles have been enforced by men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:48 PM
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I've noticed that when the internet mocks these things it takes on completely different attitudes. "Shampoo and detergent for men? Lol, fucking fragile masculinity for needing that" "Pink hardware tools for women? Lol, stupid patriarchy thinking women need that"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:44 PM
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It's possible to break down norms without ridiculing, mocking and attacking those who adhere to them. A good start would be to actually respect men who break from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:42 PM
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It does. So what gives women the right to shit on men for it? Women talk a lot about men invalidating them and their experiences, but how is this nothing but the extreme version of invalidating men? Traditional femininity hurt a lot of women as well, but we didn't break those barriers by sitting on twitter and talking about how pathetic women were for conforming to them. You can't just piss on the gender-identity of billions of men without first offering them a legitimate alternative. There are …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:24 PM
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Except that for a lot of men, that is an attack on them. Kindof like how an attack of feminism is an attack on some women. And i doubt that a social movement called "Lol, femininity so fragile they need to make new Star Wars movies with female leads just to feel included" would be well recieved
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:59 PM
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My experiences with these articles about fragile masculinity has been that they are just there to shit on men. If they actually wanted to help "liberate" men, they wouldn't do so by telling men how pathetic they are for conforming to societies standards. Imagine if MRAs started laughing at women and calling them fragile and weak, and said that it's for their own good. Also, we still have the eternal double standard where feminists tell men not to conform, but are still just as attracted to hyper…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:36 PM
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I think women just look at things completely differently than men when it comes to judging fat people. It seems like women judge fat people more for "What they're doing with what they have" while men look more at the overall picture. I've seen this a lot in other subs as well. When a fat woman is being ripped on, very often you'll see women come and talk about how cute they think she is. Just something i've noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:43 AM
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And most importantly: The men who are attractive to women, are more likely to be grossed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:37 AM
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First of all, there is a significant difference between porn and reality. And the Body-Positive movement consists to 90% of women telling other women how beautiful they are. If you go into male-oriented spaces and ask about fat women, body positivity or similar things, you will still get a very unison answer: Fat is unattractive. However, there are men with fat-fetishes, which offer validation to these women, sure. But to say that BBW women are getting more and more popular is to stretch the tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:23 AM
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Obvious troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 09:45 PM
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True. But that's also the approach i've been trying to get at. To focus on things that are as objective as possible. But in doing so, you also make the subjective assumption that you are doing these measurements better than others. And it's been quite clear to me that people are horrible at those altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 08:56 PM
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Meh. It's not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 08:13 PM
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That's where it all started for me as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 07:53 PM
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That's a pretty sensible way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:51 PM
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That's fair. It doesn't hurt me at all, and it helps you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:46 PM
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There are so many reasons why people might have a completely wrong estimation of their own SMV/RMV that I find that people who have an accurate perception of themselves in this regard are the exception. Yep. The thing is that when this topic is brought up, we always talk about it as if everybody else are wrong. But how can we know if we're better or just as bad as they are? Because everybody seems to think that they are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:45 PM
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Well, in this special scenario it's about how good we are at ignoring faults in ourselves and i'm starting to think about what faults i've missed in myself. Like when i make the profile, and think "Hmm, yeah, i'd say that i'm Very Ambitious" and then stumble upon 15 users who said the exact same thing, so i'm starting to wonder just how good of a grip i actually have on myself if these people can be so fucking wrong about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:43 PM
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Self delusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:41 PM
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I figured redpillers would be more understanding of my "If it works" attitude. However, i use RedPillers for this too. The TheRedPill sub tend to be extremely bitter, and well, that helps me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:31 PM
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Yep. I generally don't talk about it too often exactly because people react this way. But what i do know is that ever since i started doing this, i went from skinny-fat to competitive athlete, and my grades went from failing more than 50% of my exams, to studying at 150-200% and passing everything with good ones. It's strange, and immoral, but it works really well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:15 PM
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Sure, i do. I know what i want, but i use the failures of others to help me stay on track for it. I use a combination of both what i want, and what i don't want, to help push me when the other fails. And it works. I'm in the best shape of my life, and my grades has skyrocketed. More accurately, i wouldn't want to judge myself as someone that i judge these people to be. I don't particularly care what people think of me, but i would never forgive myself if i let myself become one of those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:10 PM
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Eh, agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:08 PM
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But people being this wrong about it? Maybe the biggest issue we make is to simply attribute SMV/RMV to ourselves in the first place, instead of just pursuing what we want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:08 PM
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The profiles are empty and i ignore all messages. It's just for lurking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:05 PM
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Yep, i'm an asshole. I also browse tons of shame-subs. It helps me stay motivated. Reading about angry and bitter, or entitled fat people helps me push myself at the gym. Reading of uneducated, entitled women wanting to date rich men helps drive me to study. I've found motivation in a desire to spite people and in a desire to be better than those people i judge. I know it's not particularly moral, but it's helped me more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:04 PM
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Depends entirely on what his definition of "bullies" were. I haven't read much about him, but afaik he was just angry because women wouldn't sleep with him despite having a BMW. If that's what he considers "Bullying" then no, he would be just as bad. But if he actually got abused? Then yes. But it's not a question with a black & white answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:01 PM
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I'm just saying that it's common for women to have very strict height-requirement for guys. 6'2 was just an example. However it still shows that women care a lot about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 11:43 AM
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since the vast majority of looks are genetic. Not really. Height, yes. Jaw-definition, to some degree as long as you're not fat. But apart from that, you have a lot of control over your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 10:04 AM
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Women are infamously jealous of more attractive women. It's not that different from men being afraid of "Chad"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 10:02 AM
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Never heard of the Black Pill before. What does it imply?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 10:01 AM
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and prioritising themselves over everyone else. I would be ok with it if that was actually the case, but right now MGTOW-users do nothing but whine and complain about women all day long. If they were actually serious, they just wouldn't pay attention to women. Right now, they are the equivalent of someone going "I'm so over you right now. See how over you i am! I mean, i'm completely over you. I'm going to text you to tell you how over you i am!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 09:55 AM
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I mean, there ha definitely been a push from some muslims for the west to adopt their standards and morals, however from the political climate in Europe and the US right now it's safe to say that this would pretty much never happen because westerners will choose extreme-right policies long, long before islamisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 09:49 AM
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That could just as well be attributed to the rising amount of mental problems, shittier economic situations, higher levels of stress etc. While the pussification of the modern man and rearranging of the dating market might have played part of it, i doubt it's everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 09:46 AM
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Ever heard of: If you're under 6'2, swipe left.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:49 AM
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All gendered subs in a nutshell. This one is more reasonable in the sense that it's a mutual agreement that both sides dislike eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 09:18 PM
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For example: I know how to sew and repair clothes. It' an objectively good knowledge to have. But i'm not expecting any woman to actually find it attractive. It's just there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 09:16 PM
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Absolutely. Confidence is an objectively positive trait. But it's not an attractive one, imo. It's just not part of the "metric" for what men find attractive in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:58 AM
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I prefer to just deep-dive right into it and do this: https://media.giphy.com/media/QwEGR6y93fieY/giphy.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:56 AM
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Welcome to the gender debate. Where both sides are equally bigoted and insufferable, and spend half their time complaining about how insufferable and bigoted the other side is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:46 AM
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I was, like many others, told to be a Nice guy in school. I grew out of that one pretty fast. The biggest difference i've noticed in myself is that my standards has risen quite a lot and my tolerance for bullshit has become much lower. Then again, i don't know how much of this is because i'm comfortable in a relationship right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:45 AM
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Of course they want to be desired for their looks. Who doesn't? But sometimes they want to be valued for more than their looks, kindof like how guys want to be valued for more than their money?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 06:35 PM
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Sure, but it shouldn't be the main focus. When someone else has their life ruined, and your first reaction is: "Oh no, this mildly inconveniences me," then your social justice loses all credibility because it's just about yourself. Imo, if feminists in academia is "On our side" because things that cause massive trauma to men gives them a bit of a bad reputation, then i would say that they are not on our side at all. Of course most rational peoples goals align. But if the road there is filled wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 11:28 AM
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Nope, quite the opposite. Right now is my first serious relationship after a long string of FWBs, ONS and casual sex. But even when i was single, i still played video games and wasted tons of time on crap. Much more than i do nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 06:01 AM
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I suppose it depends on how you define success, but just there mere concept of getting married doesn't count as success in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 06:00 AM
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I hate how things like this are always played out as if women are the victims. It' not because they care about the fathers who gets screwed over and don't get to see their kids, no. It's because they don't want women to be seen as weak. The same way that every time there is a high-profile false rape-allegation, the focus is always on "How it makes it harder for real victims" not on the fact that a guy almost got sent to jail for decades for it. Imagine if guys reacted the same way? Every time i …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 05:59 AM
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Yep, that's the kind of source i was asking for. I stand corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 05:52 AM
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Read my second paragraph And men talk shit about women as well, but TRP takes it to an entirely different level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 09:43 PM
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Eh, not necessarily. I'm pretty successful with women and i still fuck around online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 09:41 PM
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I've yet to encounter a feminist site or sub that doesn't make feminism look bad. Can you name one that hasn't gone full-blown tumblr social-justice?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 09:39 PM
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I don't think, and really don't hope, that TRP is representative of what most guys talk about in Male spaces. If they do, that really just gives credibility to feminists. Kindof like how i assume that feminist subs like AskWomen and TrollX or mom-groups on facebook are not representative of women, because if they were i'd be a hardcore misandrist MRA.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 09:16 PM
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to positive, successful, and knowledgeable about sex and relationships. Eeh, while i agree to some degree with RP theory, very few RPers that i've encountered are actually successful in dating. Sure, they might get by better than they did before, but "successful" is stretching it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 09:13 PM
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I'm sure there are quite a few of them who are just spoiled and entitled too, but my personal experience was similar to that: Real life experiences with hateful feminism and blatant sexism towards me that went directly against everything i had been told and pushed me to examine the opposing view. Physically aggressive exes, teachers who actively graded men lower, women complaining about non-issues, the complete dismissal and attack against anybody who even asked questions etc. I found MRA's to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 08:18 PM
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There are tons of self-improvement subs out there, some of which have an equally "harsh" attitude towards self-improvement. I followed another sub awhile back which tried, but never really got the traction it wanted, who followed a nihilistic and stoic approach to self-improvement with similarities to TRP, but the creator was determined to keep it out of the manosphere. Simulatenously, he hated the forced-positivty of some self-improvement subs which i agree sometimes block constructive discussi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 08:11 PM
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It depends entirely on what the woman wants. RedPillers think it's a womans looks, becuase that's what they value. However the women themselves, while most want to look good, sometimes don't want a man who desires them exclusively for their looks. Dating is about how you see yourself as well, and what kind of partner you want. Not just what the other gender find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 07:02 PM
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There definitely are radfems who try to shame men like that, but they're not really as common as the internet would make them out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:18 PM
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First thing first, a woman's body/appearance is her most valued asset. No other measure comes close and that can not be argued or hamstered With regards to dating, i generally agree (Not 100% though), But this is not a good way to start any discussion. "This is what i believe and nobody can argue against it or change my mind" It's women that think that they are more attractive that the really are lusting after men out of their league. I don't think attractiveness has changed that much. Only delu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:13 PM
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Allahu akhbar?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 02:56 PM
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I don't see how the first paragraph is related to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:31 AM
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It's what we grow up hearing. "Girls want a man that's nice!" and to niceguys people say "Oh, you're just too nice!" Most guys manage to figure out the difference between being nice and being a whiny doormat eventually, but quite a few don't. It's like how women grow up being told to be assertive and independent, and then when they can't find a boyfriend they are told that they are just "Too intimidating." In reality, they are just obnoxious and refuse to compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:24 AM
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AFAIK, isn't "AWALT" just RedPillers way of saying "#NotAllMen" in that it stops the "That's just a generalization, i'm not like that" statements in every single discussion otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:46 AM
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I think it's also caused by men being the prime initators and "chasers" in dating. Men are told that "You just gotta be nice" so they become nice and take it too far. Women on the other hand are the choosers, and they see nice guys and realize that they're boring as shit. They're not going to "Give him a chance" just because he's nice. It's like asking someone to pick the really bland, plain bread instead of the delicious looking sandwich because "Who knows, that bread might be really tasty?" Un…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:40 AM
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It's a statistical impossibility for all women would date up. More women can't get into relationships than men because there is 1 man and 1 woman in every relationship. Discounting outliers like polygamy and homosexual relationships, there will always be an equal amount of men and women in relationships. Sure, women can end up alone if their standards are too high. But in the end they are still alone just like the men. And chances are that if their standards are too high, then they weren't that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:36 AM
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A woman's greatest asset is education and career, or a profitable business. Because if she has these, she's set for life. She has options and freedom For her personal success, yes. and is also a prime marriage candidate. This is where your argument falls together. Men do not value career and success in their partners nearly enough as women do. You make the same assumption that leads to so many single 30+ year old career women: That men value the same thing in women as they value in their men. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:28 AM
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I disagree. The regular woman can easily get laid with a guy of her choosing, but relationships are a completely different thing. And it's a statistical impossibility that regular girls would all date above-average guys. Also, if dating was an impossibility i would agree with you. But it's not. Dating is harder for men because they have to pull the most of the weight, but in the end the majority tend to reach their "goals" anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:20 AM
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I think the biggest complaint is that the female leads are always fucking ridiculously "overpowered". They are just these super-humans who are better than everyone at everything. People loved Mad Max because Furiosa was on equal terms with the men. Those desert ladies also dies just as easily as the war-boys. Meanwhile, in Star Wars, Rey learns to master the force without any sort of training whatsoever. In all the previous movies, the male lead has gone through rigorous training to get where he…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:49 PM
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Mate, shit like this is why people don't take Redpillers seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:44 PM
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I glossed it over because i don't really consider it to be a significant problem compared to the other issues that men can face. It's like when fat-activists complain about not finding cute clothes in size 35. It's really not that big of an issue, and it makes the movement just seem whiny and entitled. Maybe not a great analogy, but you get my point. Compared ot things such as suicides, accidents, prisons, rape etc. having to pull the heavy load on dating is a low-priority problem imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:41 PM
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If that is true, how come so (Relatively) few are complaining about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:13 PM
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http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/study-finds-gender-bias-in-australian-literature https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/aug/06/catherine-nichols-female-author-male-pseudonym
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:08 PM
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I cant say if it's still a problem or not. Recent studies indicates that it is. However, a few successful books doesn't mean that the discrimination has ceased to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:48 PM
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To be fair, a few very popular books doesn't discount from studies that have shown a negative bias towards female writers. That's like saying that there are successful black men, so black men don't face any prejudices in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:18 PM
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Women can be doctors.... and men can be stay at home parents". But these feminists doesn't seem to have a problem with vilifying men who try to work with childcare, nor do they protest about the lack of male teachers. That's what MRAs do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:51 PM
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There is a lot of female privilege, but the thing is that it's never talked about so many women are literally not even aware that it exists. For western women, primarily: For example, Women are Wonderful effect gives women the benefit of the doubt in almost all social interactions and scenarios, whereas men are often judged prematurely. Things such as childcare, domestic violence, general confrontations etc. Women are extremely privileged when it comes to dating in pretty much every way imaginab…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:48 PM
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Have you not seen Western white female feminist celebrities speak up about women's issues in the Middle East and India as part of the feminist movement Very, very, very rarely. I hear Mens Right advocates bring it up more often than feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:31 AM
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I suppose that depends on what you define as "fine." Now i'm one of the 20% of the last point, so maybe i shouldn't be talking, but a lot of guys don't need to have massive amounts of sex with massive amounts of women. Also, saying that data is wrong because your personal opinion is that men lie on them, is not a valid argument. Men overreport their numbers ot their friends, sure that's a hypothesis i can get behind in a casual conversation. But on anonymous surveys? You'd need some proof of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:25 AM
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I just don't get why blaming the jews is such a popular thing to do amongst extremists of any kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 11:24 PM
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Yep. A lot of the gender-debates are tainted by people simply debating two completely different issues. Like rape accusations, where feminists are angry at how many actual and obvious rapists that get away with it, while MRAs are arguing about the grey-zone, semi-consensual cases where guys would be convicted of rape despite not really doing anything wrong. But they call both of them rape, so it becomes an argument about rape-apologism or convictions without due process. However, your comment co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 11:20 PM
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The problem with that argument is that pretty much every single feminist i've met have said that, and they all define their personal opinions as the only correct ones and all the other ones as false. I've had hardcore tumblerina SJWs act like tumblerina SJws in one sentence and then condemn "tumblr feminism" in the second. I don't have too much experience with TRPers, but i'd assume it's similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:50 PM
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I suppose i'm more red-leaning, but i just can't stand all the whining and women-blaming redpillers do. I love self-improvement. I think that men and women alike should both strive to be the best that they can be. As such, i support RedPillers in teaching men to man up and take responsibility for their lives. I also wish they would do it without the constant whining about women, and with a bit more unbiased view on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:48 PM
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Unless you've been working in some underground, illegal divebar, i find your story very hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:39 PM
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Yeah, because physical violence is the answer. Clearly. I'm not sure how old you are, but it sounds like you've never had a job much less experienced any of the things you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:36 PM
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So you think that i'm only allowed to talk to you if i automatically accept everything you say as an undeniable truth? Sounds like you're in the wrong sub then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:35 PM
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You're right, i don't know how bad it is. But i'm also not so stupid as to blindly believe the words of internet strangers either. Just because a guy on reddit tells me that it's awful doesn't mean it is. He can be a worthless omega who blames his problems on women for all i know. Just like i dont blindly believe tumblerinas who say that racism and sexism are running rampant, i don't blindly believe redpillers who say that dating in the Us is a "wasteland minefield"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:23 PM
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And what if she says no and the guy doesn't stop? That's not equality because there is nothing equivalent being done towards men. Yeah, men bust eachothers balls all the time. But they also know where the line is, and it's completely obvious that they are jokes. The same can not be said for the opposite. For example, how would you feel if every day you went to work your gay coworker talked about how he jacked off to you last night, or something. You're right, i don't live in the Us. But have you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:21 PM
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So you think it's fine if a guy told his female coworker, for example "Man, i'd love to have sex with you, babe. What are you doing this friday?" Yeah, no. That sounds ridiculous. Nobody should have to put up with that kind of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:11 PM
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So, how would you legally formulate it so that it would be fair for both men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:05 PM
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An employee shouldn't really need to be told not to sexually harrass their colleagues. It is something that should be common knowledge and basic rational thinking. It's like saying "Oh, i'm sorry, nobody actually informed me that it wasn't allowed to piss behind the printer." It shouldn't need to be explained.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:57 PM
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You have literally destroyed this country with your demands. The sexual marketplace, dating, sex, marriage -- all a complete wasteland minefield. You've destroyed them all; and it STILL isn't enough. You can literally fuck whoever you want, whenever and wherever you want, and it still isn't enough. You have the federal government giving you FREE birth control, free Gardasil, free EVERYTHING; and it STILL isn't enough. You have access to privilege at every conceivable stop in life: education. Job…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:56 PM
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Not really. Only a minority fail completely. And a lot of people would do so much better if they did some introspection and self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 02:05 PM
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Because a lot of girls have never had to experience it. I've read about a lot of girls who basically gave up asking guys out after their first rejection, and how "Men are so awful at accepting approaching" that it's clear that a lot of women have absolutely no idea nor any care about how much it can suck for guys to be rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 02:02 PM
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But we're not talking about the NBA here. We're talking about basic social interactions. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying "why should i get an education? I'll never be as smart as Einstein anyways!"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:56 PM
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I do now. I didn't when i started. Social skill are just like any other skill. You need to develop and exercise it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:25 PM
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It's really not as hard as ForeverAloners make it out to be. Their main problem is their shitty personalities and attitudes. I moved to a new town when i was young and less than 3 months later i was well known and a recognized face. How? I talked to one single person, who helped me get in contact with 5 more, who helped me get in contact with 25 etc. Not every contact ended up with anything, of course, but enough did for me to have an unending supply of party invitations. The most important part…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 12:32 PM
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I'm purple for the same reasons. Tons of bullshit in TRP community as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 09:57 PM
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I'm actually are genuinely interested in having my vies challenged when i write a CMV. I have an opinion and an idea, but i know that nothign is ever black and white, so i want to hear the other sides opinions and most of the time the arguments here are sensible and polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 09:41 PM
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You're right, i could have put more thought into formulating this post. Right now, i kindof just came up with it and threw the post together to see if i was onto something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 07:21 AM
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they lie when they say they don't That's a bit of a bad belief though. "I believe this, and anyone who doesn't is just lying about it" You're basically removing anybody elses right to have an opinion because you've decided which one you think is the right one. I don't care about virginity, but i can't argue about it because you just assume that i'm lying to myself. Imagine if i said that "Men really love fat women, those who say they don't just lie about it." Would that be a real argument? How w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 07:19 AM
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"This study doesn't confirm my beliefs, that means the study must be wrong and the people lying" Come on, man. That's not a valid argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 09:51 AM
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There are plenty of subs like that, though. Cringe subs, CreepyPMs, FatLogic, JNBT etc. I'm not a fan of TBP, but not all subs have to have production value
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 06:22 AM
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I've never heard of that site before, but based on the replies i've read the owner seems to be very level-headed and frequently draws parallels to similar scenarios for men etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:13 PM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/#5e22fa581525 Just because you the statistics aren't what you want to hear, doesn't mean they are false.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 08:46 PM
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You're right, women don't have to date down, if they don't want to. They can of course choose to not date at all. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/#2fbcc9cd1525 55-60% of university population are women. That means that out of 1 million university graduates, ~550 000 will be women and 450 000 men. Even if all those men marry other university-graduated women, that still leaves 100 000 women with a university degree who cannot marry a man with a degree. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 08:44 PM
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It's really not though. Fat is unattractive. I wouldn't bash any woman for rejecting a man for his weight, because i would never date a fat woman myself. With regards to height, let me know when you encounter a Tinder profile that says "No women over 120 lbs!" Except that if women make up 60% of the university population, and rising, and still expect men to be the main source of income AND better educated than them, then it is literally impossible for them all to be satisfied. So they need to ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:33 PM
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But 60% of women still do. I don't care about your personal anecdotes, i care about the general population. then don't whine that we're not taught to approach Still a ridiculous and entitled statement. "I'm going to approach you, and you better accept it, or i'm not going to any more!" Sounds an awful lot like a MGTOW, don't you think? How would you feel if the roles were reversed? "Man, if women want to be approached they need to stop rejecting me! If they don't, i'm not going to approach them …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:32 PM
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Because men are not the ones complaining about the lack of women who live up to their standards? Women, in general, are the ones who have recieved a lot of economical progress while simultaneously expecting men to surpass them economically. This has nothing to do with fatness. Besides, there are roughly as many fat men as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:29 PM
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Pretty much, in many cases, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:25 PM
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Ambitious enough to be an adult. More ambitious than you? not pay for me per se But do you expect him to pay for you? 55-60% of women do. If you want to be approached, don't rebuff me often when I try That's a ridiculous statement. You're not entitled to attention and appreciation just because you approach someone any more than men are. Take control and be assertive enough to be an adult. But you can't have two people who take control and are assertive. So you still want the man to be more asser…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:25 PM
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That would only apply if you consider giving up on your old dating standards for "Slavery"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 04:53 PM
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As long as you don't complain when men and redpillers are being generalized, then fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 02:53 PM
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That's a good point, but i personally feel like the reverse is far more common. For example, according to this, 60% of women would reject a man who earned less than them, but only 4% of men would have a problem with earning less than their wife. http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/640467/Rich-decline-date-men-earn-less-good-looking-dating
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 02:45 PM
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The number that you would accept if you were on the receiving end, i'd say. Yeah, we have thousands of those stories. We also have thousands of stories of deadbeat, fat men. Would you accept the collective blame for that? I mean us, as in the people trying to talk about the problem and have a civil discussion. And no, i am a man. It is possible to object to something without being the target, just as i corrected the woman earlier that i am, in fact, not a bitter virgin either. The only thing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 02:38 PM
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While stories like these are amusing and kindof proves the point, it doesn't really do us any good to take singular examples and then extrapolate it to apply to women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 02:20 PM
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I know that Japan is one example of an outcome, however i try to not draw that comparison too much because they also have a lot of other societal issues that come into play, such as their obsession with work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 01:45 PM
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I'm sure many of them would. And if we were equal, i bet there would still be a lot of feminists/tumblerinas complaining about percieved injustices. I know that many complaints by feminists nowadays have no basis in reality and is exclusively based on a perpetual victim complex. The former is no more misogyny than the latter is misandry. Dating is an unbalanced game in favor of women. That's basically an undeniable fact. So is it surprising that men are the ones who are the most vocal about how …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 12:05 PM
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That's true. I just have the habit of grouping those two together, but in this case you're right that they are separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 11:32 AM
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If you do everything and still fail you're doing something wrong, so analyze yourself and see what your mistakes are. There is no conspiracy of women out to reject you. If you're not succeeding, then you're failing at something that others are not. Find out what that is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 11:28 AM
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NAWALT. I get it. But if you look at statistics, 50% or more of women still hold to these old dating-standards of men who take initiative, men who earn more, men who pay for dates, men who do the approaching etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 10:57 AM
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I don't fail with dating. I'm married, and before i found my wife i was very successful when i was casually dating, but there is no way for me to get into that without bragging so i won't. I just enjoy the topic, and i notice the double standard. Assuming that every person who objects to dating standards is just a bitter failure is a bit like assuming that every feminist is just angry because she's fat and ugly. Sure, there are some losers who complain that women have too high standards. There a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 10:48 AM
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Why is it that every time feminists and women talk about being rejected, they talk about "That one guy?" Do you realize how many No men gets for every yes? If men gave up as fast as women does when they get rejected, the ForeverAlone sub would have 10 million users. Not to mention that it's very likely that the only time a woman approaches a guy is when he is incredibly attractive. I've been approached by women, and with the risk for humblebragging, they have always been far out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 10:30 AM
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Sure, but i a lot of feminist i've met still expect the man to pay, and with those percentages listed in my previous comments there is bound to be a significant overlap. And those are just the conscious ones, ignoring the women who are "Just not that attracted to him" but won't say or realize it's because he earns less than her. Or those who do the mental-gymnastics to still allow them to reinforce gender roles. I've lost count of how many feminists i've seen say that they think that whoever ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 10:18 AM
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I don't think that the MGTOW/RedPill movement is big enough to make any sort of noticeable changes in dating demographics. However, their mindset might spread on a more subconscious level into men, making them even less likely to get married and pursue women, that's true. There has already been a growing backlash by men who are fed up by feminism in later years and it's become more socially acceptable to question it. At least the way i see it. I'm not sure if sex-robots will affect dating a lot,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:54 AM
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And i'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who just blindly throws out a bunch of random questions like this, and doesn't actually engage at any of the points.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:35 AM
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None. The manosphere is in itself a backlash
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:33 AM
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Sure, but when you talk about "Social and economical equality" that, imo, would translate to women wanting to earn as much as men, which is fair, and women wanting men and women to be seen as equals, socially. But that doesn't work if women also wants men to earn more than them, wants men to pay for stuff, and wants men to be assertive and dominant. Because, if social and economical equality were achieved, then men will not be able to simultaneously surpass women in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:32 AM
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I don't think it's that defined. Technically, you can find both female and male incel communities right now, but that's only if you look for them. Incels don't tend to make much noise unless you look for them. I don't know how many men there are, or how many women, so it's not easy to tell. But if i had to give it a number, i'd say 10-15 years maybe? When the millennial generation of special snowflakes start to get too old to have children. I think that's when they might get more vocal about it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:23 AM
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and its a natural womanly instinct to want your cake and eat it too Meh, i don't attribute morality to genders. I think that's generally a human instinct and has nothing to do with women. The dating issue is the way it is because feminism has focused on women, and dating has always been skewed in their favor, which leads to this modern confusion that i see, but it's not because of some inherent genetic flaw in the XX chromosomes. If the roles were reversed, i'm sure men would love to be the pick…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:20 AM
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Attractiveness is a very broad spectrum. Technically, it could include how much one adheres to gender roles as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:17 AM
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Pretty much like what we see on Tumblr now. Angry, bitter. Projecting their failures on men, blaming society for their loneliness etc. Really, i don't think it will be very different from the male incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:16 AM
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That's fair, but if you ask what people would consider "Masculine traits" it's most likely a very significant overlap with what they also consider to be attractive. Sure, women don't want to be "beneath" the man, but the vast majority of women still enjoys to be submissive, in my experience, and not just sexually. They want the man to take charge, the want the man to pay, they want the man to ask and take initiatives. Imo, that is submissive. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-meads/10-things-…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:14 AM
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What kind of attractiveness are you talking about here? Physical? In that case i think it's far from the whole picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:01 AM
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There was another thread on here which had stats that said that 75% of people expect men to pay for the first date and that 40-45% of women hoped that the man would pay and would be annoyed if he asked to share and would refuse a second date if he did. I don't feel that women think that they need a man to take care of them, it's just that they are attracted to men who are in a position to do so. According to this survey: http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/640467/Rich-decline-date-men-earn-…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:00 AM
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I've speculated in the past that we will see a female Incel/Foreveralone community emerge. There have already been some hints at it, with women writing about how hard it is to find good men nowadays etc. Men becoming more and more unwilling to marry doesn't make the thing better either. Because, really, the only way that this will end up in a good way is if women lower their standards, and i'm not sure that's going to happen to very many. Right now, women have a huge advantage in the dating game…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 08:05 AM
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English isn't my native language. Isn't that pretty much what i said? Because that's essentially what i meant, but i didn't want to write a novel for my title.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 07:53 AM
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That would imply that people have the self-realization to acknowledge this, and not just try to frame their bitter jealousy as "Meh, i bet that guy's a douche anyways" Which most do, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:46 AM
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Because society has a much more favorable look towards female sexuality than male sexuality. Lesbians are far more socially accepted than gays.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:42 AM
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Given how opposed repillers are to marriage in general, that's a bit of a weird demand though, don't you think? Men shouldn't get married, but women has to get married before getting a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:41 AM
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True, but that doesn't make it less of a double standard. Also, the main point here is, imo, not that women find a non-straight experience in the past a dealbreaker, but how many that consider it while simultaneously not being straight themselves. 63% of women identify as an alternative gender, while 63% also demand that their partner is 100% heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:38 AM
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I'd say that this is definitely a case where social-constructs affect it, not some sort of inherent natural attraction. That a lot of women identify as other than straight/LGBT, but still demand that their partner is strictly heterosexual is definitely influenced by societal constructs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:37 AM
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Eh, i disagree. If you removed VS models overnight, few things would change. The same if you removes sugar-babies. The same cannot be said for other, career driven people. But this isn't getting anywhere, so lets agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:34 AM
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That's a bit of a silly comparison, i'd say. It's like saying that Victoria Secret models are just as important as Bill Gates. They are not. While they both fill roles, one is an extremely productive member of society while the other one is kindof just existing for our viewing pleasure (And marketing etc,) Sugar babies do not actually contribute anything. They only try to look good and that's it. Their only success is based on how much a successful person is willing to give them. Carreer people …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 04:25 AM
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Heh, that's really funny actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 04:19 AM
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One of my first encounters was with a radfem, who was my teacher. We were 6 boys in the class, and 15 girls. That is the point in life i learned to hate feminists. Most feminists are no super-vocal about it, but their double standards and sexism is still incredibly obvious to us guys who have to put up with it. I haven't met many sexist men in my life either, but that doesn't make me believe that they don't exist and that feminists are just screaming at clouds. I'm just not their target, so i do…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 04:18 AM
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True, but most don't. My personal ideology is one of self-actualization and ambitions, and just being paid to hang around and have sex with rich guys is not how i see a successful person. Even if it is consentual, i see it as mooching off others. It's also not sustainable. Rich guys who have sugar babes want them to be young and attractive, and once they pass 30 i doubt there is much market for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 04:15 AM
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None, really- The only difference is that money is something everyone can, and should earn on their own by being a productive member of society. Earning money through sex often indicates some sort of economical failure at your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 04:06 AM
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In my experience, i find that a lot of feminists still expect men to pay. My wife is not a feminists, but she caught on pretty much immediately when i expected her to pay for half. Those feminists use the excuse that "Whoever asks for the date should pay for it" but since women overwhelmingly still expects the man to ask them out, it's really just a way for them to do the mental gymnastics that allows them to keep their privilege while claiming equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 08:59 PM
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Yep, that's a pretty good analogy. Many people like to think as dating as some sort of mutual agreement, but in the end it's more of a market.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 08:56 PM
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I generally try not to call women "Whores" because it's an outdated slur. Generally, women expecting men to pay for dates are just adhering to a societal expectation put on men. It's like saying that men who want women who earn less than them are closed slave-drivers. If a woman goes on a date, specifically to get a free meal with no interest in the guy, then yes i would say she fills the definition of a whore, but i still wouldn't call her one myself. I'd just call her a douchebag/cunt. If she …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 08:41 PM
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Yeah, i'm not going to even bother anymore. Enjoy your life, but from the sound of it you don't. good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:32 PM
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On this sub i'll give peopel the benefit of the doubt, because it's relevant. This would be a whole lot easier if you actually arsed to read my comments before going into a rant about how much they offend you. No, it didn't. You specifically said: I said TRP, not redpillers. If you're not capable, or willing, to actually read my comments then i'm not going to waste any more time on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:12 PM
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The whole discussion was started from me saying that TRP comes into 3 different groups. I've repeated this several times already and if you don't get it by now, you never will. Nobody else seems to struggle with this concept, only you. 'slings and arrows of fortune' is a saying used to describe the fact that people are subject to the various calamities that come their way, often without any reason other than bad fortune... I understand what it means. What you fail to explain is what forms of "Lu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 04:48 PM
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You have no idea what dating has been like for me. That's an incredibly poor argument. "Posts Random, speculative opinion" "Now wait a minute, that's not right" "You don't know me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/16 05:38 AM
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Yep. I literally laughed when i read on an Incel sub about how they "See dating for what it really is" Mate, if you could see what dating really was, you wouldn't be whining it out on a virginity-sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 10:28 PM
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On this sub i'll give peopel the benefit of the doubt, because it's relevant. Could this have been any more clear?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 09:46 PM
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Are you telling me that RedPillers by definition whine about their situation instead of improving? And what "Slings and arrows of fortune" would you say makes a man successful in dating? Dating is not like money, because you don't inherit skills. The only thing you can inherent is good looks, but even then you need to maintain it. I don't talk to any feminists IRL Can't say i'm surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 09:45 PM
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I can't possibly be interested in the RP ideas? Obviously you can, where did i state otherwise? But if I said that I was not Red Pill, that would indicate that I am actually actively Red Pill? Wut? So now there are different types of Redpillers? My original statement divided it up into 3 groups, and it was perfectly clear to the vast majority. If you don't get what i said, it's because you're intentionally avoiding the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 09:44 PM
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Fairly attractive, i think. I look much better nowadays though, than when i was single. I was still far more successful than my extremely.attractive rommate. Yep, TRP lures vulnerable men in with promises of not only scapegoats and success. While there are some truths to what they say, it's quite clear from reality that most of it doesn't manifest into anything good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 10:10 AM
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Of course, that makes no sense if you think about it for even half a second, but whatever. It makes perfect sense to most other people here, it would seem. And those are the only kinds of people who are RP? Nope, just like there are several types of feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 10:08 AM
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On this sub i'll give peopel the benefit of the doubt, because it's relevant. But most of the time, both IRL and on the internet, if you make any external identity a big part of how you see yourself, then you're probably not a very good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 10:07 AM
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Congratulations. You must be very proud of yourself. Now try a little humility. What was i bragging about? RedPillers do have a word for people who learned on their own, and you DO call those "Natural Alphas." So how is calling myself a "Natural" bragging? You have earned the right to put down people who don't learn and just whine about their situation instead of improving. Life, including sex/love/relationships particularly, is still kicking my ass all the time. I'm still suffering heartaches g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 10:04 AM
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Who did i personally attack? As i explained in other comments, there is a big difference between people who follow redpill ideology and people who identify as redpillers. And people who identify as redpillers are what i was dismissing and ridiculing. The people who are on the sub and upvote and celebrate absolute crap-posts, like the ones on the subs frontpage right now. "HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD", seriously? Kind of like the difference between your average feminist and a tumblerina. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:27 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:23 PM
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I am European, so yeah. But i also don't really read it much, i just pick up on a few articles that gets linked, which probably bias things a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:12 PM
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Fair point. I always try to enter a community with the assumption that people are fairly normal and i give them the benefit of the doubt, but i'm almost always dissapointed. I think, imo, the only communities that survive are those who also embrace a healthy dose of self-parody.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:03 PM
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And now it's obvious that you're just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:01 PM
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Cut the personal attacks, buddy. No, because people who make social movements or groups a significant part of their identity tend to be genuinely bad people who lack any of their own critical thinking and opinions, and just jump on band wagons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:01 PM
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Vox is left-oriented? Since when? All i've ever seen linked from them agrees with the centre-right-wing. What about Jezebel, for advocating husband-beating? Buzzfeed, for posting creepshots of men on subways? Should TrollXChromosomes be banned for objectifying men? What's the arbitrary line that you've drawn, that determines which gets to spout their bullshit and others don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:59 PM
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But then it, most of the time, really just becomes normal self-improvement and common sense. I'm what you guys would call a "Natural." Nobody taught me anything, i just got good at dating and hooking up all on my own. All by just using common sense and self-reflection. Also, saying that RP is about core-ideals is like feminism is about core-ideals (I really like this comparison, so get used to it). Most people don't care about the motte, when what they actually see is a bailey full of angry, scr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:54 PM
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Can you name a left-oriented website that you think should be banned as well, or is it only sites that you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:53 PM
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Eh, sounds like just more mentality and "No True Scotsman" to me. Saying that "If they just followed the real RP teachings, everything would be great" is like saying "If everybody were just real feminists, everything would be great" Just like with feminism, TRP have good core ideas but when actually implemented into reality by flawed individuals, you get what we have today: Tumblerinas and Redpillers. And just like you say that TRPs hate it themselves, that's the exact same thing feminist say. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:49 PM
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Eh, i'd say anyone who openly identifies as a Redpiller falls in the second point. The third ones just take listen and live according to their interpretation, mixed with their real-life experiences. Kindof like how it's a big difference between a Feminist with purple hair, colored armpit hair and a "Male Tears'" mug, and your average, everyday woman who just considers herself a feminist passively. It all depends on how much you let it dominate your life. But there is no clear line.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 08:59 PM
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I think one of the reason it became the way it did was because it allowed said whiny, bitter neckbeard to project all his failures and insecurities on women. Much like how angry, bitter tumblerinas project theirs on men. Unfortunately, the subreddit is made up of the users, and the core ideals may be there but they have long since been forgotten. Kindof like how MGTOW could have been an independence movement, but instead just turned into a ragequit. Or how self-improvement subs in general often …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 08:57 PM
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I used to reject TRP completely and laugh openly at them, but ever since i started participating in this sub i've noticed that TRP appears to actually be 3 completely different groups: TheRedPill as a subreddit: Is a whiny, bitter shithole. RedPillers: Are whiny, bitter, and sexist beta-neckbeards trying to pretend they are alfas. RedPill Theory: Surprising amount of sensible stuff. Few things i didn't already know and implement myself without ever reading it, but some stuff that you also don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 08:47 PM
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When men feel the need to act in a self-destructive or contraproductive manner just because they are men, and feel the need to prove their manliness. That, i would say, is the only good definition of a word that's thrown around far too much. It is also the definition i'd use for "Toxic femininity" and women being self-destructive if that subject was ever brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 06:03 AM
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Eh, i don't see it as that much different from alcohol and strange vaginas. And some guys certainly act as if that's the most fulfilling thing in life. I used to as well, when i was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 06:01 AM
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If you bring it up as an argument that it overwhelmingly affects men, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 05:59 AM
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I really think this is a case where us guys have to just accept it at face-value from women. Apart from very few deviations, cat-calling is pretty much exclusively done by men towards women. And if women pretty much collectively says that they don't appreciate it, really who are we to tell them "No, you should!" Like Luis CK said: "You don't get to say no to whether you're being an asshole or not" And saying that "Women respond positively to it" would only be a good argument if catcalling didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 09:29 AM
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Women are choosers because they can. Since men do the approaching most of the time, it's up to women to choose which one they want. Just like how you're the "Chooser" when you go to a store, and they are trying to get you to buy their specific product. If men stopped approaching, women wouldn't be the choosers anymore. Also, it's easier for women to find random sex, yes. Guys are willing to sleep with pretty much anything as long as there are no strings attached. When it comes to relationships, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 09:25 AM
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Why the need to belong to a group? You can have some opinions you share and some you don't. I can sympathise with some redpill opinions, and with some bluepill ones. I suppose that makes me purple, but meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 09:17 AM
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Agreed. MRA and Feminism in theory: Good. Realistically: Not so much. A bunch of perpetual victims and just two sides of the same coin. Both sides have the same problems and fiercely utilize the Motte & Bailey fallacy. The only reason i give MRA's more sympathy is, partially because i'm a man and have been first-hand "Victim" of blatant and open discrimination, but primarily because for some fucked up reason it's literally considered socially unacceptable to worry about extremely legitimate issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 09:16 AM
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1: If guys are willing (See: Pathetic) enough to pay for it, then it's just a market being exploited. Can't blame the girls for trying, but i probably wont respect them either. I see neutrally on super-wealthy old guys who just wants social company, and poor student girls who offer it, but apart form that it's a pretty trashy occupation. 2: Not really. 3: Talk to her about personal accomplishment and ask why she wants to be a side-dish of somebody elses life. 4: I'd fuck her, but never take her …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 09:02 PM
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I think it's in the vast majority of cases stupid and undesired, but not sexist. Something isn't sexist just because it's predominantly done by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 07:44 PM
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Being intentionally obtuse is not the same as rebuking an argument. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18y6vteoaQY&feature=youtu.be&t=110
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 11:23 AM
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You're really just proving my point here, though. My complaint is that RedPillers are very fast to jump at peoples throat, and in response you jump at my throat. Yes, i am well aware of the RedPill theory, and yes i know the stuff that's said in the sidebar. Don't just immediately assume that i'm ignorant just because i disagree with you, that's childish. But i'm talking about other people, who come to TRP, sees a bunch of bitter, angry and hostile crap and then just turn around in the door. Nob…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 11:12 AM
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No i'm saying that people don't take the time to make sense of it and learn about the sensible things, because in order to find them you often have to dive through several layers of hostility, something that most people are not prepared to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 10:56 AM
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I think the most important part is that not only have men been discouraged from traditional masculinity, but women simultaneously reward traditional masculinity by being attracted to it. There was an interesting discussion here a few weeks back about how men nowadays are told one thing, while being shown a completely different one. Modern men have been told to act in a way that women say they want, but don't find attractive. I have been told by a feminist that i have a "Horrible view on women" b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 10:14 AM
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In their defense, RedPillers often come off as extremely hostile to anybody who isn't a RedPiller, and even sometimes to other redpillers. You guys are not really doing a good job of selling yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 10:08 AM
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Maybe. Personally i've been starting to see a lot more nuance in later years as people are getting fed up with the rising SJW-mentality. I'd say that the "Blameless woman" mentality mostly only exist in the "Womanosphere" if one could call it that. The "Women are Wonderful" effect of course still exists, but i think it's become less prominent lately. If there is anything that the SJW-left have proven, it is that women can be just as sexist and bigoted as men. Which, ironically, is equality in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 06:18 AM
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Nah, i don't care that much about it. But it's an overwhelming majority that feels this way, and i'd be surprised if they were all RedPillers. I think it might be influenced by how many guys are fed up being treated as punching bags, and many (me included) have a history of girls acting as if it's perfectly reasonable to punch us for whatever they decide is justified. So when they see a guy and a girl fight it out, it's a bit of a justice-boner to watch a violent and aggressive girl get smacked …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:56 AM
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Some are. Many aren't. I like subs of amateur fights and public freakouts, and i see the same in those without any RP connections. If there is a guy and a girl fighting or arguing, they will almost always side with the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:37 AM
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I'm not following you...?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:18 AM
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I fully believe that some guys would have a problem with it, but it shouldn't be so many that a woman would actually struggle with dating as some people claim to do. Especially if they are such a catch, like they often say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 04:17 AM
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Imo, it used to be far more common than it is now to say this. But then people got fed up, it became a running joke and a meme and now all but the most diehard fans stopped using it. If you tell people nowadays that you're just too nice to get a girl, people will just laugh at you. At least that's how i feel. Maybe i'm biased from being subbed to NiceGuys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 04:13 AM
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Eh, the day after a breakup i will allow it. People feel like shit and wants to be told nice things, lies or not. The problem arises when they start dating again, fail, and still believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 04:11 AM
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For older guys i could agree, but modern men and women feels like they focus a lot on personal success and self realization and for that you need a self-sufficient woman. Not to mention because the economy demands it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 04:10 AM
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Eh, i have to say that for all the complaints i hear about how sexist Reddit is, i see a pretty equal amount of sexism from both sides. On some subs, the woman is never at wrong, ever and gets every possible benefit of the doubt possible. On other subs, unless undeniable proof has been offered, she is always at wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 04:04 AM
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And you don't think that theirs, and your, views may be a bit biased in their favor?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 08:56 PM
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You don't have to be a bad person to be unappealing. Did you actually try to date these women? Or were they your friends? Maybe in relationships they were completely relentless, refused to compromise and selfish? I don't know. All i know is that old saying that if you meet an asshole everywhere you go, you're the asshole. And i mean "You" in the general sense here: If you literally cannot find anyone to date, then something about you is wrong. And maybe the reason they got over 50 without findin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 08:41 PM
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Not really. Chris Rock worked his way up, used his own talent to create and develop. Milo just said some controversial stuff that tons of people already believed, but he did it publicly so people rallied behind him. There is really nothing unique about him, except for the fact that he is public about views. He started an alt-right newssite and rode on a wave of discontent. I wouldn't really hold Chris Rock up as some paragon of manliness either, but at least in my eyes he earned his spot through…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 08:32 PM
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opinionated That's not necessarily a good thing. And sure, a few men might be intimidated by it. But do you really think that the reason they didn't connect with a single man they dated was because they were too intelligent, strong and attractive? What's more likely: that every man they met couldn't handle a "Strong" woman, or that they are just not a pleasant person to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 08:16 PM
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That's a new one. I have read this one in the past though, which is not the exact same but still in the same ball park: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3387810/Are-men-blame-women-childless-Record-numbers-women-never-mothers-not-choice-FEMAIL-investigates.html
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 08:03 PM
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That is definitely a big different in how it's worded as well. He's not "Intimidated" he's just not interested, or find you unattractive. It is like saying that women are "Intimidated" by short guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 08:02 PM
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Mom-groups are absolutely horrible. I have never seen them advocate for personal responsibility of any kind, and everything that ever happens is about "Me, me, me"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 07:56 PM
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Eh, i think you vastly overestimate how popular he is. People like him because he says controversial opinions that many people agree with, but to say that guys want to be like him is a bit of a stretch. And yes, i agree with him on some points as well. But imo, he has extremely few redeeming or admirable qualities. Not because he's a bad person, but because apart from his political views there is really nothing special or interesting about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 07:52 PM
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The reason i posted this was because i saw a post on a womens-sub get over 1000 upvotes, about how men are intimidated by a woman with a biochemistry degree. The comments were all about the same thing, and about how men just can't handle it and that the OP was too good for them. At no point did anybody ask if maybe OP wasn't such a great catch after all. Maybe all she ever talked about was her degree? They just concluded that men was at fault for not wanting to date her and that was that. I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 07:41 PM
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But he did pass out, several times. That is literally the definition of rape. "Beyond consent"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 06:24 AM
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OK, let's try this one: Finally, the door opens. It's Sally, but not really. She's there, but not really. Her face is kind of distorted, and her eyes seem like he can't focus on me. She's actually trying to see me from the side, like a shark. "Hey!" she yells, too loud, and gives me a hug, too hard. She's fucking wasted. We tried kissing. I knew it'd look like I had fruit-punch mouth for days after. Her alcohol-swollen mouth, I felt like I was being tongued by someone who had just been given Nov…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/16 07:42 PM
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I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where a girl can rape a guy. From Amy Schumers gala speech: Finally, the door opens. It's Matt, but not really. He's there, but not really. His face is kind of distorted, and his eyes seem like he can't focus on me. He's actually trying to see me from the side, like a shark. "Hey!" he yells, too loud, and gives me a hug, too hard. He's fucking wasted. We tried kissing. His 9 a.m. shadow was scratching my face — I knew it'd look like I had fruit-punch mou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/16 10:57 AM
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