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I disagree ... Oh, do you? And who will we be disagreeing with today exactly? Because fucking ain't me seeing as I didn't say anything that comes close to what you are disagreeing with. I even expressly said the exact opposite in that message you fucking fuckwit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 09:03 PM
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Do you feel a woman is “yours” after a singular date? No! OTOH if she's shopping around then she's not serious so if this is someone I'm dating (i.e. as a potential LTR) I'd find this off-putting because it means she's not interested from the outset. If a woman goes to brunch with you on Saturday as a first date, but also goes on a first date coffee with another guy on Monday... what are your thoughts? That she's really not that interested, certainly not in me, and that she's not serious. No sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 08:55 PM
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If there's been no physical contact of any kind at the end of the first date, then I would assume it's not going to go any further (rightly). But sleeping with someone depends on all kind of things and circumstances so it's harder to say. But I suppose, all other things being equal, if nothing's happened by date 4 and I wasn't aware of or hadn't been offered a reason I'd be wondering what exactly was going on and why it wasn't going any further. I think by the 5th date I'd probably try and bring…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:37 PM
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On balance, I'm going to have to say 'No'. Mainly because this: To date, the main contributors highlighted by academic studies of ED are poor physical health – the effects of weight, for instance, and high alcohol, tobacco or drug use – and mental-health issues including stress, anxiety, exhaustion and importantly, depression. Even more than mental health. There's so much talk about a widening gap in social mobility and achievement, but nobody seems to ever talk about the gap in health achieveme…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:57 PM
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Depends on the woman and what likely reasons she had. Like, if she has crazy daddy and other issues - then absolutely not. If it had something to do with debt specifically - maybe, yes. But the difference is the level of crazy involved not the previous occupation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:50 PM
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I feel like it's not really clear what exactly the view is that you are inviting us to change. The OP says: Dating multiple people at the same time is trashy (men and women) But you end with: Unless you're open about it from the start. So what I guess you really mean is something like: Don't waste my time and/or money if you're already getting it from somewhere else
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:46 PM
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Ha ha ha ha! Yeah, whatever mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 06:09 PM
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I've no way of knowing, but is it entirely possible that she just enjoys the flirtation? In other words, when she found out not only your age, but also probably detected a hint of genuine interest, maybe she backed off because she hadn't actually expected anyone to take her seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 04:51 PM
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OK ... still think you're fussing over nothing. You could maybe think about women closer to your own age now you're in your 30s? But to be honest, if she's 45-60 then you're still a "toy boy" either way for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 09:56 AM
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What do you think about splitting 50/50 at dates? Never happened. I've almost always paid for the first couple of times and at least the first time out ... later they take a turn picking up the check (all of it that is) ... but never split the bill on a date (with friends, all the time sure, but not with dates) Do you think women can easily have everything paid by a man in 2019? I'm older so don't know how this goes with guys in there 20s - but I get the impression a fair number of them assume t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 08:08 AM
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How do you feel about older women (30+) dating/sleeping with young men (18-29)? Errrm ... nothing? Good luck to them? Does it make other guys insecure? No ... also why would it? ... why shouldn't they be picky about the men [women] want just as us guys did throughout history? "just as us guys did throughout history" ... Pwuh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Because that's just how it was / S It benefitted me in my late teens/20s ... It? What is it? I got lost there it triggers my already deep…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 08:00 AM
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Jesus, what is it with the gaslighters on here today?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 12:47 AM
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No, I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 12:38 AM
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I appreciate the attempt at cordiality - but you're absolutely determined not to understand what I'm saying, aren't you? How many times have I got to point out that such behaviour happens and that it may even happen often - but that it is nevertheless not normal and to suggest that it is in any way remotely normal - in the sense of socially acceptable - is wrong even to the point of gas-lighting? It's really exhausting having someone respond to points I have not made and have gone to some length…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 07:00 PM
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Rape and sexual harassment are real, lived experiences for many people and overwhelmingly for women (although young men and boys can be predated on, too, let's not forget). But rape culture? Yeah, no, that's just a shameless exploitation of misery for highly dubious political ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:42 PM
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Many forms of sexual harassment were considered normal though, or at least not worth complaining about I refute this absolutely. It's expressly insulting to suggest that because such harassment takes places that society has "normalised" it and considers it "not worth complaining about". This very sub had threads deriding people who complained about catcalling or suggestive remarks. You are aware this sub is filled with MGTOW and Red Pillers? In other words, quite possibly the least likely people…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:38 PM
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there are fucking signs all over the place telling you to take off your backpack or hold your purse in front/between your legs so Yes ... and that's HOW they end up backing into it when the train is jammed to bursting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:58 PM
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Re-read my post: I didn't say that we accepted rape as normal I think you need to re-read my mine - not only did I nowhere attribute that remark to you but I even emphatically acknowledged this to be the case - see the parts in bold - it might make it easier for you to see: I don't for a minute deny the prevalence of lewd remarks, unwanted touching, and worse Very, very dishonest behaviour on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:57 PM
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#metoo has terrified the betas into never approaching a woman, just the way women want it. I thought the definition of a "beta" was a man already basically terrified of women? A push to more traditional roles will make a resurgence. Not for the reasons you've given, but the backswing is on its way that's for damn sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 11:10 AM
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We accept a lot of behavior as normal ... We do? Really? To me this is always where the argument jumps the shark completely. I don't for a minute deny the prevalence of lewd remarks, unwanted touching, and worse - but then neither do I deny the existence of a whole range of other criminal activities either. The fact that gang stabbings and car theft happen often in no way means that society accepts these things as normal. There's a reason why rapists in prison are only barely one step above kidd…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 11:06 AM
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I think you'd lose that wager. Having said that, on numerous occasions I've had a woman passenger be pressed into my laptop case on a crowded underground train in London. What tends to happen next is: a sharp turn of the head and filthy looking scowl on the woman's face; an instantaneous realisation (and, weirdly, disappointment) that she was wrong - my hands, and in fact, any other part of my anatomy being nowhere near her - and that it was the corner of my laptop case; a return to scowling as …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 10:53 AM
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So we’re going to split hairs over what label these guys affix to themselves? InCel means Involuntary Celibate, right? So it can hardly be a case of splitting hairs to point out that a man who has made his entire career off the back of books called Bang Ukraine and Bang Colombia is not an InCel.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 08:54 PM
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I'm not especially knowledgeable about all this stuff ... but pretty sure that Roosh V guy is not an InCel.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 08:01 PM
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They think rape should be legalized for people unable to get laid like themselves What the f....???
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 07:59 PM
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A small subset of incels are pro-rape. Surely that's a contradiction in terms? How could anyone believe themselves to be an involuntary celibate and in favour of rape at the same time? Either they're a rapist - in which case they need locking up - or they're an InCel, but I can't figure how they could be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 07:29 PM
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It all kind of depends on how desirable the man is considered to be as an employer. If in this hypothetical, there are multiple providers for this "Pepper Potts" with benefits service, and each provider offers the same kinds of things, then presumably they will prefer to work with a client who: is healthy and good-looking; is wealthy; is charming, well-groomed, and well-dressed lives in a nice, but not too large apartment; has an apartment full of the latest mod-cons, making all the same tasks j…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 06:33 AM
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Please tell me you're joking ...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 05:28 AM
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I understand what your point is - it's just not a very good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 06:59 AM
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these guys live in an alternate universe where woman don't have jobs or make money Sounds like you live in an alternate universe ...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 06:43 PM
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Well, it's not like you're going to change your mind ...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 06:42 PM
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single people not working as hard as coupled people This is not actually true - although there is an element of truth to it, sure. For instance, it's often claimed that married men with children in particular are spurred on to go for higher paying positions with more responsibility. But you have apparently forgotten that, in general, married men with children tend to be older in the UK and US these days. That being the case, they have more work experience by the time they enter parenthood and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 06:41 PM
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You got your ass handed to you. Just suck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 07:35 AM
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< Doffs cap, bows respectfully >
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 07:34 AM
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... many industries will be negatively impacted: restaurants, travels, fashion, jewelry, cars, housing etc. How do you figure this out? All other things being equal, single people in employment are more likely to have more disposable income than people with families. Single people are therefore a kind of straight equivalent of the 'pink pound' i.e. the disposable income that especially younger LGBT folks may have. So everything in your list could actually benefit, not lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 07:27 AM
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Their (or 'their') definition is the same as the one in most dictionaries. The difference is what gets to be considered an act of hate or prejudice ... like when sitting, breathing, having a job, etc. get considered to be "misogyny"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 05:41 AM
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No, no it doesn't. What it means is a person - generally a man - who hates and/or who is prejudiced against women. Being a simp has got nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 08:31 PM
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How many men have been at least once with a hooker/escort or to a strip club? As far as "Gentlemen's" clubs, lap-dancers, strippers, that kind of thing, you really need two elements: a group of guys - competitive sports teams - football, rowing, rugby; squad or platoon members in the military, hardcore ultra football fans (hooligans), all male city trader/stock broker groups, all boys public school alumnae, and in some cases just a large family with a lot of uncles, cousins, and so on; a guy or …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 08:29 PM
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Were you drunk when you wrote this? I was kind of intrigued at first, but what you wrote is barely comprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 08:10 PM
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Better than the other alternative which is suicide. You're solution is an even faster track to suicide. You know, it's just not always true that what you can imagine is worse than the reality - quite often it's the reality that is far worse than anything you can imagine. So let's paint a picture - you're an insecure, shy, socially awkward, man lacking in confidence and you're at work. As you get home, you put the key in the door - but you pause for a moment filled with dread at what you might fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 08:04 PM
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Only if you know what misogynist actually means
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 07:54 PM
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My point is that it's a bad idea
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 05:50 AM
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Because some kind of sex is better than no sex at all. Because he has no other options. I think these are terrible reasons ....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 10:06 PM
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there are no other options available and being alone or without sex is worse Worst reason ever if you ask me ...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 10:04 PM
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The main idea of the article is that she made her choice out of social pressure. That's convenient With the prices of nannies in the US, it may not be realistic for them idk. Oh, please! Two high-powered NYC lawyers? Even if she goes back to working 60 hour weeks, she’ll still be behind her spouse. Now, yes, maybe - certainly initially. But we're mixing reality and hypotheticals about what she could have done before it got to this point so really that's neither here nor there. The equivalent of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 10:11 PM
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The lawyer couple was also an example of the man not shouldering his share of domestic responsibilities and using profession as an excuse. So ... you're saying that he's working 60 to 80 hours a week as an excuse not to do more around the house? Boy that's some 4-D chess masterplan that cat's got going on there ... fuuuuccckkk. This ca[m]e at the expense of his spouse[']s career. Given that they are both lawyers and practising law involves, amongst other things, being able to negotiate effective…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 09:00 PM
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The question wasn’t about maternity leave I didn't say it was. But it is clearly connected to childcare, isn't it? The example of the lawyer couple? She works 21 hours, he works 60-80 and - oddly enough - earns therefore 3- to 4-times more than her by doing 3- to 4-times the amount of work? It was why aren’t men held to the same standards as domestic partners And who is this doing all the holding of these standards? Is it the same people who promised "it all" to women? being married is what hurt…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 08:19 PM
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It appears that women often face more glass ceilings in their personal lives than their professional ones. Oh Jesus Christ, give me fucking strength! "glass ceilings in their personal lives" my aching ass. ... this is a story about men failing to step up Well, there's a surprise! It's all men's fault! Who saw that one coming? / S women who were promised “it all” failing as a result. And just who exactly did all this promising, hm? ... more men need to step up as partners and spouses. When men de…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 07:30 PM
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Have you dated someone you found physically unattractive? No. Would you dated someone you found physically unattractive? Almost certainly not. But it's not really a fair question because how many people have you come across that at first you either didn't notice them or if you did notice them they didn't strike you as particularly attractive - but later when you got to know them better you became attracted to them? Also, to be honest, I'm far more worried about dating crazy than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 07:13 PM
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Do men have a problem with women being the main caretakers of children? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 07:09 PM
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Thanks for the link. That it is lacking. Could have sworn you saying the opposite just the now. asking frivolous questions Asking how someone knows what they know - in other words what they base their beliefs about the world on - is quite possibly the least "frivolous" question that could be asked. Instead of asking why, why, why all the time ... Call me old-fashioned, but I always find it better to make sure the diagnosis is correct before administering a cure. EDIT OK, didn't see this one comi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 05:54 PM
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I think you need to visit TRP and do some reading. Do you have a link? Your view on women ... And what have you gleaned about my view of women exactly? Mostly, all I have done - in fact pretty much the only thing I have done - is ask questions about how OP knows what he thinks he knows. That isn't an expression of an opinion at all. your contrarian attitude towards This is Purple Pill Debate right? I mean, it's not Purple Pill Echo Chamber, is it? Or do you think that's wrong? ... is not going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 05:50 AM
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All that "girl power" goes out the window and it goes to "You're objecting yourself", "you look like a whore", "You're flaunting your thin privilege". Hello, OP. So ... turning back to my original question, which I will try to clarify in case there's any misunderstanding: What experience are you basing these observations on? Because remember, you're not just telling us that one time you saw one particular girl/woman saying X, Y, or Z, but you are extrapolating this to all women and making of it …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 05:46 AM
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You know, as attractive a trait as anal retentiveness is, maybe in this instance you could humour me an answer the question? How about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 05:33 AM
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Unless I misunderstood you indicated you thought ... In that case, yes, you misunderstood. I didn't express an opinion other than to ask OP questions. Basically, all I want to know in those questions is what experience OP is basing his opinion on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 05:30 AM
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What do you mean by "way more intense"? Because despite saying "No I think it's ..." I don't see any real difference between what you've said and what OP's said so it looks like you do agree on the basic point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 10:21 PM
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You agree with OPs assertion that " when women got competitive, it was over stupid stuff like "Who wore it best?!" and "Who's the Queen Bee?!" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 09:34 PM
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Because I have eyes. You don't use your eyes to make conclusions, though. Selection and confirmation bias are both an actual thing. Even most guys can tell you women are more likely to form packs. Gangs, amateur 7-a-side soccer teams, karate clubs, quiz teams, garage bands ... these are all just ... what? Individuals that happen to be in the same space by accident or what? Art imitates life. Sometimes. You're seriously under-estimating the stupidity of femininity. I suggest looking into SJWs and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 09:16 PM
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You're welcome to say that, but what in particular in any of the questions I put to OP gives you the idea that I am "blind to the female social matrix"? Also, what do you mean by "the female social matrix"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 08:39 PM
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Not a woman, so am replying here. I was thinking about women being more collectivist than men Why would you think of women as "more collectivist then men"? What are you basing that on? From my experience when women got competitive, it was over stupid stuff like "Who wore it best?!" and "Who's the Queen Bee?!" [ ... ] I just often see petty vicious competitions Not trying to be rude, but is this observation based on TV shows or actual people you know? If it's actual people you know, is it from hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 08:22 PM
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So, in a nutshell, your point is basically: Misandry is a form of resistance against male violence and domination and is therefore always justified. Therefore: Misogyny is an abuse of men's privileged position to either exploit women's lives for 'free' labour and for sexual gratification or as a "punching bag" where men can work out their frustrations. But of course I may be wrong. Hmm. You mentioned that English was your second language, so you may not be familiar with the following idioms: Jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 05:27 PM
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A dateless guy used to be an exception and was relentlessly mocked in movies and tv. A dateless young guy - there is a difference, clearly. The detective shows that I used to watch growing up were awash with hard-drinking whisky-soaked grinches ... it was just none of them was under 40 and most were in their 50s and 60s. ... but now that being involuntary single for a prolonged amount of time is about to become the new normal, do you see it as possible for pop culture in general to adapt to this…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 09:59 AM
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I think you need one of those translator devices like they have in Star Trek. What you hear: "I don't want anything serious, I'm just focusing on my career right now". What this likely means: (a) I don't have a boyfriend right now and every guy I meet on Tinder etc. at the minute is a complete and utter sleazeball that makes my skin crawl. I'm really lonely, but I don't want anyone to think I can't attract nice guys. (b) I go out at the weekends with my girlfriends, get hammered and hook up with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 09:47 AM
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What a polite response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 08:29 PM
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Like if we just shut all this shit down and went on with our lives we might not have the problems you guys are endlessly discussing? I think you've confused the sequence of cause and effect. The issue quite often is not what is happening offline in the real world, but with the conclusions that can be drawn from it. In the industrial developed countries of the anglophone West (if not elsewhere), there are both more single people more single people 'playing the field' and living what earlier gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 04:23 PM
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Well, whenever you have any other little thoughts you want to share with me, whether they be witty bon mots or deep concerns, be sure to let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:44 PM
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Thanks for that interesting and valuable contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 05:36 PM
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I really think people might overestimate a trad-con backswing. So do I - to a degree - hence why I was careful to add: I don't expect to see Gilead anytime soon (Gilead is the name of fictional world of Margaret Atwood's dsytopian Handmaid's Tale novel) The only people I see advocating for it now are men. I don't think this is true - there are quite a number of Conservative women voices calling for it. But to be honest, I'm not basing this prediction on what bloggers X, Y, or Z say but on what I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 10:49 AM
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[you] still haven't realized that you're hunting a dream. And that is at least one principle reason why it'll never happen. The "Friend Zone" of legend has almost absolutely nothing to do with it, really. Whoever it is that is on the receiving end knows that you can't really know them to feel so intensely about them and so before anything's happened they've basically proved that they're not going to be compatible because either they you for something you're not or they find out that you're not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 10:33 AM
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Well, glad that's cleared that up then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:53 AM
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Will women simply get more and more hypergamous? That assumes they're hypergamous already of course Will men's issues ever be taken more seriously? Heh. Oh, you were serious? No. Will radical feminists just continue to get more and more extreme? No. Well, maybe. It depends how they react to the Trad-Con backswing that is well overdue and for which certain signs are already making themselves felt. I don't expect to see Gilead anytime soon, but I do think there's going to be backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 08:21 PM
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I'm posting here because although I think you've expressed the idea a little bit crudely, I basically agree. If one partner is freezing out the other from intimate sexual relations, then this is a relationship that's in almost as much trouble as one where one partner is having illicit affairs. Where I disagree is the characterisation - I don't think people "refuse to allow access" - I think it's far more complex than simple stubborn selfishness (in fact, I suspect that's almost never why).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 08:18 PM
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Sure I can qualify both these points from a causation to an correlation. But that doesn't mean the trend is non-existent. Well, you can ... but then I can show that Marriage rates in Alabama correlate to the number of people electrocuted by powerlines. Economic interests are squarely in the realm of female insecurities. If you mean that women have money worries, then yes, that's true. If, however, you mean that women exclusively are more worried about money to a degree far in excess of the worri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:03 PM
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[I]s it a need for a healthy psychological development? Yes. Unless there's some prior psychological trauma (e.g. from childhood neglect or abuse) in which case it may be having the opposite effect on you as an adult. Although ironically that just goes to show that it is "a need for a healthy psychological development" Is lack of it harmful? Yes. Like things that you may be lacking in, it's possible not to be aware of the harm caused by the lack until the lack is fulfilled and then you suddenly …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:55 PM
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Currently I’m of the opinion that oneitis isn’t inherently bad To be frank, it just sounds like you haven't understood what people mean by oneitis. The -itis bit should be the first clue -itis (related to) basically now means "disease of" - conjunctivitis, bronchitis, meningitis, arthritis, etc. In other words, it's always inherently bad - that was the whole point of the coinage. Basically, it's a crippling form of grief over the loss of someone who hasn't died.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:50 PM
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CMV: Men become ruthless capitalists when they realize women value them based on their labor. And this is why we have a small majority of ruthless, high powered men, who work endlessly. They realize the game, and they play as hard as they can. This is simply fallacious. The main reason being that you are attributing the behaviour of all men to a single motivation, which is just nonsense. A defining feature of advanced capitalist societies is a differentiation of the population which vastly expan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:43 PM
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It's become a tradition for men on this sub to come after women for not dating them. Really? I've not been coming to this sub for very long, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with Red Pill guys. In fact, isn't that almost the opposite of what RP guys claim? Aren't they all about making men into the best men they can be physically (not emotionally or socially, Christ no!)? Rather than envy men that can supposedly have any woman they want, they envy the woman that sleeps with the man, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 09:42 PM
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I'm actually a bit dubious about the notion of hypergamy as well, but despite that I don't find your own definition to be terribly convincing. So when I hear that “women are attracted to men of wealth, status and resources” and that it is evolutionary in nature, it does not make sense to me. Personally, I’ve reconciled these by defining hypergamy as “women are attracted to men they look up to (have critical skills); have self respect and earned respect of others (leadership and social skills); a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 09:23 PM
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Heh ; - )
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 07:22 PM
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Its actually quite useful in my profession. Which is ...?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:58 AM
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I give up ...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 10:58 PM
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Being able to walk away from a bad deal doesn't equate with insecurity in any universe I'm aware of. Sure ... but two things: First of all, if your criteria for "a bad deal" is that she hasn't fucked you on the first date - the problem is seriously with you, not the "deal". Second of all, a truly confident and intelligent man knows what she wants and that she wants him - he's therefore not in a rush to get in her pants because he knows that's where he's going the next date or the one after that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 07:20 PM
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Why would any guy want to date a woman who wasn't sexually attracted to him? What on Earth would possess you to think that was even remotely close to what I was ... ? Oh, wait - it's OK, I know the answer - as far as your concerned, if she doesn't fuck on the first date then - according to you at least - the only possible reason for that is that she isn't really "sexually attracted to him" And thaaaat's why you have disastrously low self-esteem. If she's not making it very clear that she's sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 06:21 PM
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How is this supposed to convince me that you don't have low self-esteem and that you aren't insecure? You're basically saying here that the only a way a woman can respect you is by throwing herself at your cock on the first date - this is your only measure of self-esteem? The only way you can feel validated as a human being? Jesus, dude, ... you sound like you're trying waaaay too hard there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:31 PM
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Just the opposite actually. Bit touchy there, chief. You think sticking around and groveling for scraps is a sign of high self-esteem? WTF? You know your choice of words is astonishingly revealing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:13 PM
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And? You can't say to me I like how you assume ... if it wasn't my comment. Well, you can and you did - but it's irrelevant because it wasn't my view. So if you want to get something off your chest about this, take it up with OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:11 PM
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Maybe so, yes. I doubt it, personally, but maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:51 PM
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If you really believe that then you also have very low self-esteem and are cripplingly insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:51 PM
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You know that's a quote from OP right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:49 PM
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Why the black and white thinking? Because this is CMV - are you new here or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 08:23 AM
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Could you please write your responses in English next time? Which parts in particular do you need a translation for? There's no reason why you can't have sex immediately and see if they're potentially a long term partner. You're seeing the similarities, but ignoring the differences between wanting a fuck and going on a date with a potential LTR. That's what makes this view so selfish and shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 08:19 AM
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WHYYY can't I keep a man's attention like these oneitis women can? I think this comment you made down thread might be one clue: I like men who are more financially successful and have less contact with their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 08:11 AM
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This is not intended as an ad hominem, but a person who sincerely holds this view sounds like someone with cripplingly low self-esteem and poor social skills. Why? Evidence for poor social skills is here - my italics: No bullshit, no games, no drama, straight to the good stuff [ ... ] This "I'm not like other girls" performance. It's a performance. [ ... ] If she's on her period a blowjob is acceptable bullshit ... drama ... performance ... - this is a superficial personality projecting their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 08:05 AM
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Fair point - predicament wasn't the best choice of word there really. That said, I think it's worth drawing a distinction between someone who is (a) happier now that they have found a way to come to terms with being single (and thereafter are single by intention) and subsequently found ways to enjoy their life and (b) happily and intentionally single. (a) and (b) appear similar and are similar in many ways, but (a) is way more common than (b). In fact, (b) must exist statistically somewhere, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 06:07 AM
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Do you assume there is something wrong with people >35 who are single (not recently divorced/broken up)? No. Then again, I am over 35 and single (and not recently divorced or broken up) so it stands to reason I'd be unlikely to. But I've known other people in the same boat - about the same number of women as men, interestingly (I say "interestingly" because until you asked the question, I'd have thought that there would be more men than women but in fact I think it's about the same). Do you make…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:37 PM
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And you cannot lie, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 07:50 AM
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attractiveness is subjective Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 07:49 AM
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If you don't believe ... O, Bravo! Bravo!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:42 PM
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I am asking you to understand Nope. You said I was moralizing and you were so far off the fucking reservation in doing so that it beggar's belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:40 PM
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He said it's meant negatively. I know you can write, but you clearly cannot read worth a damn. I am quoting the DICTIONARY'S DEFINITIONS which OP GAVE US You fucking moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:39 PM
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You are moralizing. Nope. What I am doing is quoting OPs dictionary definitions back to OP because if those are the definitions of entitled they want to use then those definitions are in conflict with the idea of "perfectly reasonable in feeling entitled". Seriously - read a post before you respond to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:38 PM
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Let's now establish what I mean by entitled [ ... ] Both the definitions state clearly that entitled is: (usually disapproving) SHOWING DISAPPROVAL So when the definitions then say: feeling that you have a right to the good things in life without necessarily having to work for them an entitled person thinks they are special and deserve special treatment it's meant negatively. I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but if what you mean by entitled is the definitions given in those two dictionaries…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:16 PM
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For some reason it came across as sarcastic. In any case, you answered the question: Whether this be determined by wealth, fame, prowess, or some other characteristic(s)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:05 PM
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That's not as clever as you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 05:32 PM
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But as you correctly point out, this doesn't scale well. Yes, but my point was that the scale runs not just in two directions, but multiple ones. That's why I also gave this example: ... a more or less dorky professor has status on campus, but if he tries to pick up a girl in an urban greasy spoon cafe he might just seem like a creep, weirdo, loser (or all three). Which you didn't comment on. Not that you should have, but it is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 08:17 PM
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Well, that's fine - but status is relative. A drug dealer can have status in his immediate social circle and local community, but in the wider one he can't. What can get him laid at the local bar, won't get him very far - at least not generally very far - in the downtown Starbucks. When it does get him very far in the downtown Starbucks, it's likely that he's being fetishised and/or (hopefully) exploited as a drugs connected by whoever it is that's going with him. The opposite is also true - a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 05:17 PM
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How do you explain attraction to 'bad boys' and penniless (but incredibly hot) singers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:46 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "best men" in the light of OPs hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:44 PM
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OP says: Just to clarify, there would still be a certain subset of gold diggers that would select by status and wealth, but these would be a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 07:16 AM
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No, I really do. Nowhere have I disagreed with the point that "Men will never know how many men a woman has been with" - that part is true. But the reason why that is true is because it DOES MATTER or - if you prefer - PEOPLE BELIEVE IT MATTERS. Which in this case amounts to the same thing. And - ONCE AGAIN AND FOR THE LAST TIME - if it is true that: ONLY SHE WILL KNOW. Then you do not even understand your own view that you want to be challenged. You're being thoroughly dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:47 PM
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The 'truth' in this particular discussion is whatever her partner count is. So let's say there's a woman called Sally and Sally has had - for sake of argument - 50 lovers. Only she knows this, as you say, but it is still the actual number and she is aware of this. Now imagine that Sally meets Sam and Sam falls in love with her. He knows she's had previous partners - so has he - and maybe in conversations a few names of old flames come up. So Sam is aware that Sally has had lovers in the past - a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:32 PM
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You still don't get it do you? Your view - not mine - yours - the one you want to change says this: Increased partner count for a woman doesn't damage her chances of finding a man who loves her And you are welcome to that view. But what you are not welcome to do is to suddenly fudge the issue by saying that this only applies when the man who's in love with her does not know what the partner count is. This is the ONLY reason why: IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE he has absolutely no fucking clue what he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:19 PM
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Why would a woman share that information with a man? And I'm not for a minute arguing that she should either - but - again - if this the CMV: "Increased partner count for a woman doesn't damage her chances of finding a man who loves her" Then you have blown your own argument out of the water. Why? Because you said: Men never really know what goes on. That means that if asked, she will withold information from him. I'm not saying she should or she shouldn't tell him in absolute detail her past hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:12 PM
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Yes, sure. But with regard to the view that "Increased partner count for a woman doesn't damage her chances of finding a man who loves her" your point about not being able to mind read is completely irrelevant. And the very fact that you are basically advocating her keeping quiet or else lying about the number of past partners in her sexual history proves the partner count does actually matter and matters very much. So much in fact that she feels obliged to lie or at least leave be highly econom…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:05 PM
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I disagree. OK. Men never really know what goes on. Oh. So in fact, actually, you agree with u/CamoWoobie100 that the 'score' only matters if he finds out. In which case, I don't see how you are disagreeing with him/her or more importantly contradicting your own statement that: Men in love tend to idealise the woman they're in love with regardless of their past. Because, according to you, this only applies so long as he doesn't actually know the truth about her sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:56 PM
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Seems like a profitable business venture taking peoples UBI by building housing targeted at low income people. Well, good luck with that one Sparky!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:43 PM
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.... ah?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:05 PM
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You can assume what you want. OK, so my assumption was incorrect - I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Hence, why I explicitly labelled it an assumption. that comment is based on what my friends have said their standards are. That applies to my social circle not just myself. And yes rents would rise, ... Wait a minute ... if by "that comment" what you mean is this: Poorer people would suddenly have an easier time paying their rent. And if you also agree that: rents would rise, Then the comment …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 07:06 PM
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How do you think this will affect the dating scene/culture? It depends on who it will affect. What UBI never seems to take into account, for example, is addiction on the one hand and pushers on the other. Imagine that you are an addict and you don't know how to pay for your next fix. Now imagine you are a supplier and now you know that there is a government mandate that will guarantee your income in perpetuity because every crackhead / crackwhore you supply can supply at least $1,000 per month -…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:43 PM
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Poorer people would suddenly have an easier time paying their rent. For about 10 minutes ... when anyone and everyone - including the homeless - are in $12,000 a year, as low as that sounds as a basic, it will be enough to raise the supply in relation to demand and from that point on - even if it's only a relatively small amount - rents will rise. On a more serious note, if someone doesn't have even remotely decent future prospects, they have very little to offer as a partner at least to me. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:36 PM
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I don't understand why people do not recognize this It's a political statement to choose not to understand, I guess. ... even the ones that did were held up to a sense of responsibility that often resulted in a very painful death Well, quite. But even when this was not the case, they were expected to make huge sacrifices. For instance, the lack of access to higher education in the past is one common source of outrage - but the people who are generally outraged by that quietly pass over this: [T]…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:17 AM
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Well it's great that everything seems to have worked out for you and that - reading between the lines - you sound pretty contented. I hope that's the case and good for you if so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:09 PM
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We live in a paradigm where women have successfully pushed for equality in every facet where men have previously held privilege ... I refute this as a premise - men did not previously hold privilege if by privilege is meant something like the power to act autonomously and make one's own life decisions. The men that had 'power' were privileged in some senses - education, health, diet - but the cost of that power/privilege was generally a burden of duty and responsibility. The boys sent to Eton or…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:07 PM
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Max Stirner Isn't he the one who influenced Wittgenstein's brother to top himself? Along with lots of other young men? I heard that somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:01 PM
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I thought that seemed likely, but obviously couldn't know from your username alone. I wonder if that (your gender) may have had a role in the way your experience played out? Maybe not, I'm not trying to overstate the gender difference of the experience, but just thinking out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:00 PM
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Yes, got it. Am I right in thinking you're a woman? (As opposed to a man in a gay relationship or some other type of relationship)? (You needn't answer that if you don't want, obviously)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:54 PM
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Then I met my partner and started losing weight, exercising more, drinking less. So in a way I was right when I thought it might be because " you were with the same SO before, during and after you lost weight"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:45 PM
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Really? I mean, I believe you, but I find that surprising. Was this because you were with the same SO before, during and after you lost weight? (Or is that unrelated?)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:35 PM
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Yes. It did not so much "have a noticeable impact on your dating life" as create one from scratch. As the weight came off and I became physically fitter and more agile, I became more desirable and what only six months earlier had seemed impossible became so easy as to almost give me a sense of vertigo. To be honest, at first, this resulted in something like resentment - I tended to see the women I dated as incredibly shallow (ironic, really, since if they really were shallow then I had been and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:31 PM
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However, legalizing prostitution does increase the demand. It's certainly a possibility, but I doubt it and as yet there is nothing to convince me otherwise. And again, there's no point still quoting that paper because that paper is not the evidence that you need if you want to convince others that what you're saying is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:42 PM
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I'm not trying to be antagonistic towards you here - but you are quite literally misusing that paper if you believe these to be the findings and, more importantly, are avoiding all of the very deliberate and carefully placed qualifiers and caveats such as the ones I highlighted in the previous message. When writers of a paper go to great lengths to warn the reader repeatedly to treat their results with caution, they are giving you important information about the status of the claim. You don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:38 AM
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Here is the study that shows a link between increased human trafficking and legalized prostitution: Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking? That paper is very weak evidence for the claim you are making - I will admit that I have only skimmed over it very quickly, but I've certainly read enough to know that that paper is absolutely chock-full of qualifiers like these: Our dependent variable thus does not reflect actual trafficking flows, and needs to be interpreted cautiously ... …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:54 PM
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... hinges on the idea are unaware that what they are doing hurts their sexual market place value. That's my understanding of Red Pill ideas, yes. However, a post wall women by red pill logic should be aware that certain behaviors due hurt their sexual market place value. Yes, but the key word is post-Wall, not pre-Wall. The whole point of the wall concept is that the women who are said to be affected by it do not realise the problem until it's too late. I'm not completely au fait with all RP id…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 08:39 PM
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So what motivations would a post wall women have in supporting decriminalize sex work? To be honest, I feel I have already answered this question: just because there's an activity which "would lower their sexual market place value" out there somewhere, it does not make a prediction that people won't continue to take part in it I'm not really sure how to say this in a way that would make it any clearer. Anyway, ... The argument has always been that women would oppose efforts to decriminalize pros…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:40 PM
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No. In fact, not only do I not think that, but I was attempting to describe what I think a red pill response might be to OP's question. Hence, if you look at the phrase you quoted in the whole context: But surely a major part of red pill theory is that they see themselves as a breed apart (sometimes quite literally) from most other men. So the idea of blue pill men wanting to "white knight" for "fallen women" and provide and protect them would presumably fit in there perfectly well? By "fit in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:06 PM
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Marsilio Ficino Sir Philip Sydney Olaudah Equiano Charles Gordon Orde Wingate Alexander Solzhenitsyn Mahatma Gandhi ​
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:02 PM
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Actually in many feminist circles ... I'm slightly confused here - I was careful to use the phrase "certain feminist-identifying women" precisely to avoid misunderstanding or making a sweeping statement of what all feminists think. So your use of Actually ... makes it sound like your correcting an error, but I don't appear to have made one (or at least not on that particular point). Now why would so many women come out in support of foreign women who would likely be their sexual competition and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:52 PM
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I wonder how this fits into red pill theory. But surely a major part of red pill theory is that they see themselves as a breed apart (sometimes quite literally) from most other men. So the idea of blue pill men wanting to "white knight" for "fallen women" and provide and protect them would presumably fit in there perfectly well? Similarly, certain feminist-identifying women might be responding to precisely the perceived traditionalism of men trying protect women 'from themselves' as it were. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:12 PM
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See what you mean here, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:01 PM
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I kind of agree with what you're saying here, but I was struck by this: I'm tired of men who desperately chase sex. Why do we we seem to be so down, generally as a culture, on men wanting to find pleasure, joy, comfort, even love and companionship, in the arms of a woman? I'm generalising, I know, but I really feel that we're willing to accept that a woman can take a man home for the night because she just really craves sex or because she doesn't want to be alone that night or because it feels r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 05:42 PM
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I'm not sure that these are the irreconcilable opposites you seem to take them to be. There's a long tradition in the West (and elsewhere) of men who were capable of being both stoic in the face of adversity while also having a good understanding of and feeling for the esoteric, the aesthetic, the moral, and the spiritual. In fact, it's quite possible that their ability to grasp and deal with the numinous that made it possible for them to deal with the sharper edges of life and fate with such se…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 05:36 PM
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Even when the question is clearly not being asked in good faith? That is, when the question is self-evidently derisive and in no way meant to develop the discussion, but simply for the purpose of derailing and goading? I mean, if that's the case, then fine - I will abide by the rule in future, but I would like to just check.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 01:42 PM
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I like how you think its my fault for not getting your point That's pretty much the size of it, yup. ... maybe its you that didn't make your point clear. Or maybe I credited other users with intelligence and honesty? ... continue to not answer the question and instead derail. Projection at it's finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:42 AM
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And you failed to engage with the point made in any reasonable or interesting way. There are two probable options - one generous, one less so. The generous one is that you knew perfectly well what point was being made, but feigned ignorance to waste my time - not in debate, but in pointless elaboration. The less generous one is that you really didn't understand the point - thus showing it would have been a Sisyphean task to try and explain it to you. Either option would result in no actual debat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:34 AM
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Surely that depends heavily on who it is that's doing the considering, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 07:24 PM
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As I thought Highly debatable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:25 PM
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** Sigh ** ​
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:28 AM
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The times are a changing. 20 years ago the conversation would have ended up with him saying. " ok sweetie, I'll buy that for you ha ha and I would have ha ha'd back because that's what you did. But twenty years ago was 1999 - you're making it sound like it was 1959. Here's the US Bureau of Labor on this: The participation rate of women 25–54 years increased throughout the second half of the 20th century, although the pace of the increase varied over time. (See figure 6.) The most rapid rise in w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 05:53 AM
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That makes sense for sure. I do tell them they aren't really going their own way if their hate for women is at the forefront of their mind Well, quite!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 05:29 PM
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I do choose to identify with them If you have time, I'd be very interested to hear why - by which I mean, it's possible to live a lifestyle which some others might choose to label MGTOW (or something else), but it's interesting to me that you choose to describe yourself that way. The fact that you acknowledge that some of the men adopting that label can be a tad on the extreme side (a minority, maybe, but still enough to give the label a bad name overall). Thanks for the boo[k] recommendation. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 02:39 PM
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Are you talking about the book or the TV series? Remember, Atwood also wrote Cat's Eye, which, amongst other things, is about how cruel the bullying of girls by other girls (and women) can be. Atwood also wrote this piece in The Globe and Mail which includes statements such as: My fundamental position is that women are human beings, with the full range of saintly and demonic behaviours this entails, including criminal ones. They're not angels, incapable of wrongdoing. If they were, we wouldn't n…
/r/MensRights31/03/19 08:11 AM
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Ironically, /r/MensRights is about the most weak ass fag place on the Internet. Full of boys who think they've been molested and raped by their 90 pound girlfriend. Never stop being you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 07:33 AM
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Seems fair
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 06:39 PM
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I'm considered MGTOW ... That's an intriguing way of putting it - in those terms, I could be considered a MGTOW. But I assumed it was something someone chose to identify with - not a label imposed by others based on a superficial knowledge of that person's life. Regarding my money, it's not that I'm stingy. Somerset Maugham, the novelist, once described money as a sixth sense - none of the others function properly if you don't have that one. Considering his life experience (which you can get a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 06:37 PM
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Hmmm, now that this is a second person making this comment I'm even more confused as to this response. For one thing, I suggested four possibilities - these three: a fantasist and/or liar; or on the autism spectrum; or a psychopath. And a fourth, not mentioned by OP, which is "a third group of MGTOW - one you've not mentioned - which is made up of men who are largely normal, but who have been put through the mill by marriage to someone who is basically crazy, then rinsed dry of all their cash in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 09:46 AM
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Just out of interest, why did you say that? I mean, I'm not annoyed or anything, but seriously what does it achieve? I know the common internet response to a comment such as yours is "Oh, your problem is reading comprehension, buddy!" or "Put your reading glasses on!" etc., but seriously, I'm genuinely fascinated ... Why would you write a response that has absolutely no connection to anything I wrote? It just seems a really bizarre and pointless thing to do. Can you explain? ​ ​
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 07:58 AM
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Today, I have a slutty girlfriend who thinks I'm the best guy in the universe. I'd bet she'd be just thrilled to know this is how you describe your relationship online, lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 07:44 AM
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But what about the second group? Do you think negatively of them? Do you think they're being selfish by deciding to keep all his resources for himself? Why or why not? Not a woman, so I'm posting under the auto-mod (I think that's OK, right?). I think there is something wrong with the second group. They're single not because they can't get any woman but because they want to be independent and keep their resources for themselves instead of investing them into building a family with a wife and kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 07:38 AM
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One study primed women with pictures of expensive houses and home life before showing them pictures of men. The women shown the houses rated the men more attractive than the women who were shown neutral or disturbing images. Well, I'm convinced. I mean, who could possibly see any flaws there. ​ [ Two men in overalls struggle by carrying vast, outsized, capital letter 'S' followed by another guy in overalls running along behind with a forward slash ]
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 07:48 PM
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If you don’t agree, why not? What are your observations? It fails to take into account all the other factors that motivate people and which drive desire. I'm not denying that we are biological beings with drives, but just pointing out that we are also highly intelligent, articulate and complex animals that have to negotiate a range of emotions some of which are in conflict. OK, so examples: 1) Anecdotally, I've known three women friends who have let slip that they knew what was basically an unat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 08:28 AM
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Fuckn' A!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:26 PM
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Jesus, you are so bad at this. You really are.
/r/MensRights21/03/19 08:21 PM
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Well, naturally. That's the way of the moron.
/r/MensRights21/03/19 07:48 PM
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Oh, I am glad you decided to come back. Here's you: Are you unable to answer the question? And you again: ... your narcissism .... And again I do believe I've struck a nerve. You are excessively bothered by being seen as, shall we say, less forrrtunate. Again Instead of staying on topic, ... You should read about this- no really, you should. I'm not your mirror. Enjoy! ​
/r/MensRights21/03/19 07:38 PM
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Ah, hello again! More community college vocab ... Again with the community college as an insult? So you're an elitist Ivy League snob, I take it? The kind of person who proudly doesn't have to mix with the plebs because mummy and daddy paid a $60,000 a year + private school fees? You presume to be better than people with community college education? Didn't you know that significant numbers of African American students go to Community Colleges? No wonder you can't see racism because you're so imm…
/r/MensRights21/03/19 06:53 AM
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How's that for a one liner response? Predictable? Shite? ... your entire foundation hinges on assumptions. So does quite literally everyone who lives and breathes, including you. And here I thought you actually could answer the question ... Well, you quite clearly didn't so ... why even say that? Once again, I overestimated you. Oh noes! However will I get over this devastating blow ... somehow I just know I'll just have to struggle on through my daily life knowing there's some supercilious pric…
/r/MensRights20/03/19 11:36 PM
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Not while I'm at work. But at least now it seems safe to assume that you are being wilfully obtuse or, as I originally put it, "strategically disingenuous". I mean that really is the most tediously unoriginal attempts to be provoking. But I've got a few minutes, so ... I'm left to wonder what kind of person can read this: Phew I'm glad we had a white man come along to clear that up for us. ... and feign bewilderment at the very idea that it might be racist as well as sexist. The Tweeter, let's s…
/r/MensRights20/03/19 08:05 PM
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Is that a serious question or are you being strategically disingenuous there? ​
/r/MensRights20/03/19 06:25 AM
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Glad this gentleman cleared that up with proof as soon as she tweeted. As far as I'm concerned, the real story here is to be found in the link you provided in the word proof there - it shows a reply to the man's Tweet which says: Phew I'm glad we had a white man come along to clear that up for us. Not only is the comment in that Tweet a spectacular display of dazzling ignorance, but it is also - to put the icing on the cake and the glacier cherry on the icing - blatantly and unashamedly racist a…
/r/MensRights19/03/19 08:13 PM
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At what point did I say I would ever try this lol. Oh good grief, you there means "one" as in a person, sombebody, anybody not you OP Well there are a ton of fat, ugly women with no fashion sense who don't wear makeup but are really funny with great personalities. How come there aren't men like you lined up around the block to be their friend, since it's not about attraction, even subconsciously? This is just offensive on at least two counts: firstly, nobody would ever describe their friend as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 08:07 PM
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CMV You certainly have a point in saying that middle class men living in first-world western countries are doing very well for themselves. However, on the specific point of this: Third world women would kill to be with you, as long as the language and culture barriers aren't massive. your whole argument falls down, I think. Firstly, there's still quite a bit of stigma attached to guys from first-world countries who use marriage agencies to get so-called "mail order brides" from e.g. the Philippi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 11:11 PM
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... how do you decide whether or not you want to be friends with them? We hang out; we have a laugh. I can't really think of any women friends who haven't either been work colleagues first unless they've been friends of those colleagues. Does their attractiveness matter? I'm not sure what you mean by this question - do you mean "Are you only hanging out with them because they're good looking?" If that is what you meant, then, no, I'm not only hanging out with them because they're good-looking. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 10:49 PM
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Well, she has a completely fresh and new take on the idea. Heh. Well, quite.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 08:22 AM
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I don't think it is possible to teach females the concept of objectivity. It's like oil and water. You sound like a fucking dick, mate.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 08:20 AM
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The presenter, who is paid around £160,000 a year ... As there are two regular presenters, I guess this means - not including producers, editors, technical staff, freelance reporters - that annually Woman's Hour costs at least £350K a year. If you include those other factors, let's say the programme costs somewhere in the region of £750k - £1 million a year to put out. That sounds like a fuckton of money for a programme that goes out mid-mornings on a Monday to Friday and has, apparently, less t…
/r/MensRights02/03/19 08:19 AM
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Is this the 'manslamming' chick? No that, according to Huff Po, was New Yorker, Beth Breslaw. This article is by a Londoner and "lecturer in twentieth-century British history". The author of the piece in this thread has a paper available online which includes the following paragraph - I added the italics in the last line: There is a danger in looking to the past for inspiration, which is that it encourages us to see the history of women's activism as a long path to progress. It can be tempting t…
/r/MensRights02/03/19 07:57 AM
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Well, that's entirely possible. Still, it sort of misses the point rather - which is that women's magazines are inundated with stories about how to "keep your man" that involve slightly more than giving a man a cheeseubrger and a blowjob at the same time. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:22 PM
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All of my life, I never remembered getting true advice on how to attract men. How to keep them, what they liked etc. I'm guessing you've never picked up any women's glossy magazines like Cosmo in your life ever then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 09:54 AM
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It's a dynamic. You can't pin it on one side or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 08:20 PM
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What are people's thoughts on this situation and general perspective The things I'm about to say are well-meant, even if, as is likely, you won't see them as that way at first sight ... I've always made friends with girls easily, and many of them have been into me and I'm often too oblivious to notice, until it hits me later [ ... ] and have been flat out offered sex a handful of times by women I was talking to at the time, Now while it is perfectly possible - contrary to popular opinion- that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 10:04 PM
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My topics are known to be controversial, but only because they reveal the truth & can't really be spun as blue or red pill. This is the practically a definition of solipsism, not truth - in any guise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 07:07 PM
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Did you mean to send this to me or is it a reply to someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 06:17 PM
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YAAAWWWWNnnnnnn .... nyep nyep ... [scratches balls] ... What?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:50 PM
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OK, well, here's a question for you (apart from why you think I'm a man): My only point in the previous comment was that I would not take at face value a woman who says that an ONS was mediocre/awful etc. - I stressed that she might have been telling the truth, but also that she might not have been. I also qualified the comment about selfish men by saying " the kind of guy who is a serial one-night-stander" and adding "is perhaps not going to be". I still stand by that especially as it goes out …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:46 PM
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I think women put a great deal of effort in - it's just that this happens to be with certain, select people. ​ ​
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:42 PM
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> So you're building this opinion on something you've witnessed observed from one friend? No, it was just a convenient example that came to mind. > Tbh I think ... But neither are you, right? I thought that was the point you were making. Also, for the record, I reject your premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:40 PM
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I hope you don't think I actually read any of that because I assure you I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:39 PM
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No, I just value intellectual honesty. Then what the fuck are you doing on Reddit and even more importantly on Purple Pill Debate?!? Did you think it was run by MIT or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:38 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:37 PM
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Why tens not dozens? Are you Italian or something? (Not that there is anything wrong with being Italian or, for that matter, your reply - but it just sounds so European to say tens not dozens)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:36 PM
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Heh ; - )
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:34 PM
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these aren't acquaintances who may fear a backlash in my response. We really are coming at this from different places - why would anyone's friends ever "fear a backlash"?!? There doesn't need to be any kind of a backlash to feel slightly embarrassed about saying something in front of friends. To give a slightly silly example - a couple of years ago I was out in a mixed group of friends when one of them, let's call her Sally, suddenly cracked one off (farted) - we all laughed and she laughed too …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:05 AM
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Is this genuinely your experience? Not mine, but yes. I'm surprised at your surprise to be quite frank - I see it happen all the time. In fact, not only that, but this is exactly how the partner of a close friend first approached her - they've been together for over 12 years now. The whole 'confident man walking over to me in a bar' thing hasn't ever actually happened. Really? Now I'm the one who's surprised. Then again, you have to be in certain kinds of bars where that kind of thing happens. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:59 AM
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Surely the answer is in the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:20 AM
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Probably we're coming at this from slightly different angles. ... friendships aren't ones of sugarcoating and/or feining due to embarrassment. I don't say this as a cynic, but I think the embarrassment factor is far more common than you may believe in general and I'd be willing to say even in your circle of friends. Of course, some friends have no filter and will tell you everything in the most excruciating detail sometimes - and they can maybe make it funny as they do it. But embarrassment - an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:17 AM
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Well, C'est la vie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:11 AM
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No, I'm not offended. I do think you are spectacularly wrong, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:06 AM
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I guess it can do. Say there's a guy with a tan at the bar and he's very rugged and good-looking. Now imagine this: She: So ... you look like you've been somewhere nice on holiday? He: Oh, no. I wasn't on Holiday. I've just come back from Yemen. She: Yemen? He: Yes, I'm a doctor for Medicins Sans Frontiers. I worked in children's hospital. She: [ drools internally ] He: It was hard at times because the Saudi's were shelling us all the time so we had to keep moving. She: [ Eyes flick down to crot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:05 AM
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Buuuut.... on the projection of confidence ... Of course - hence why I recommend 1 and 3 as being the most effective and 1 as being unethical but at least definitely more likely to get a positive result in this set-up. 2 is a bit of pot-luck - because he again he may only care about his needs and not hers. Only if he's one step ahead of the game and realises that the best way for future success will be to deliver such an outstanding performance that she cannot help but tell all her friends about…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:00 AM
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Because they don't lie to me ... Look again - I never said they lied - or not quite in the way you are making out. Having close friends of the opposite sex is possible especially if you're not the judgemental type. I have close friends of the opposite sex - but I have also spent years working in an industry which is 70-90% women to 30-10% men. Several times, I have been only one man in a team of 12 or more women. What I'm telling you is based on what I've seen and heard. But go ahead, don't beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 09:57 AM
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So to women (and to those who are not, imagine if you were), how would you go about figuring out whether a man you have met will use oral and foreplay or just jackhammer for 5 minutes, cum and just leave? 1 He's had a very beautiful girlfriend for a very long time and she is currently out of town and/or you know they are going through a bit of a rough patch. 2 He singles you out from the other side of the bar and walks right up to you, ignoring your friends etc., and starts talking to you as if …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 09:51 AM
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A common complaint I hear from friends who have engaged in casual sex have been: "I hooked up with him, the sex was terrible. No foreplay, no care about my pleasure or oral, just in/out for 5 minutes and then it was over" What makes you sure that this is the literal truth and not something women especially who have had a one night stand feel the need to say regardless of whether or not they did actually enjoy it? I would never take such a comment at face value. For one thing, it might simply mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 09:44 AM
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Eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 09:37 AM
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But I'm just supposed to believe you? As I have repeated ad nauseam at this point, I know you won't believe me anyway. Besides, this is not really about belief as such anyway, but politics - and I am really keen to know what your purpose is in going round telling people that intersex people are as common as people with red hair in the US. Are you building a case for more federal funding or ...?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 08:02 AM
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Yes, and I'm still not going to either for the same reason that I don't need to dig out source after source after source to prove that the Earth is not, in fact, flat or the evolution really is a thing and that intelligent design is not. I have explained quite clearly why I'm not going to do this (you would ignore any sources I produced) and also what the problem is with your producing a mighty TWO sources. I have no need to prove my point and I'm not invested enough in it to take an hour or mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 07:59 AM
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Do you have any idea how many science papers have been published in the last 30-40 minutes? It's a fuck ton.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:51 PM
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Honestly, I just don't care enough. The only thing that really interests me at all about this is why anyone would feel the need to bump up the numbers of people who can be counted as intersex. What's the point? I don't get it. EDIT Also, yes I looked at your link - this is where I got the John Money stuff from here - http://www.isna.org/faq/reimer
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:46 PM
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Is that the link to the Intersex Society? The same one that retells the story of Dr John Money's colossal fuckery with real human beings? Yes, I clicked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:40 PM
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Right, so what I said earlier is basically right then - here I said: The only way you can get intersex births up to nearly 2% of the population of the US is by fucking with the definition of what to include as intersex and by doing an awful lot of fudging ... And you've come back with: ... a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, ... And I also said that: I dare say there are papers that make such claims, but there are also doctors who side with anti-vax…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:30 PM
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I bet you haven't. EDIT OK, sorry, that was a bit on the flippant side. Yes, I have sources - but there's no point in my digging them out as (a) you can use Google too; (b) even if I went to the effort of showing you them you wouldn't care or be interested anyway so it would be a futile gesture. "I bet you haven't" by the way, is in reference to all the medical journals claiming 1 in 60 births as opposed to 1 in 1,500-2,000. I dare say there are papers that make such claims, but there are also d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:13 PM
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Do you believe in God? On balance, no. I am not an agnostic it's just that I can see how God is a useful metaphor for all kinds of things, but if by God is to be understood some kind of conscious being with will and motivation then no, absolutely not. Do you believe in true love? Depends what you mean by true love. I believe in enduring love of the kind that only makes sense over many decades. My grandparents were married for just over 65 years and when my granddad died in his sleep, my grandma …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:02 PM
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He's right - this statistic that intersex births in the US are about as common as those born with red hair is a complete fantasy. Even at the lowest estimate, about 2% of the US population is born as a red head, whereas 0.5% at the highest estimate are born intersex. The only way you can get intersex births up to nearly 2% of the population of the US is by fucking with the definition of what to include as intersex and by doing an awful lot of fudging and hazing. They exist, of course they do, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 09:56 PM
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The most telling an extraordinary thing about this story is that of all the absolutely heinously cunty things that cunting cunt Cuntentine Ford has ever shat out of her shitehose of a brain and smeared all over a QWERTY keyboard ... it's THIS ... an actual legit. use of swearing of a country's leader ... that the fucking braindead numbnuts at her news outlet decide to tick her off on. That. Not the blatant lying, the obvious engineering of drama, not the scandalous cunty way in which she then tr…
/r/PussyPassDenied01/02/19 09:12 PM
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In my parents' generation, it would have been the man who got the mortgage and who held the title. During their lifetimes and certainly in my own, it's joint-owned by both partners equally in every instance I can think of. There probably is an example where it's in the man's name that I've forgotten, but if I ever do remember it'll be an outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 09:01 PM
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A: Girls spend money pleasing men too. B: Like? A: makeup, clothes, hair. Wait, what? How is a man directly paying for a woman through, say, picking up a check at dinner or lending money he knows he's likely never to see back equivalent to a woman spending money on herself by buying make-up, clothes, and by getting her hair done? And if it's the so-called "nice guy" we're talking about here, by definition we know for damn sure she ain't spending that money on "makeup, clothes, hair" for his bene…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 10:36 PM
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CMV If there was anything like an actual view being expressed, then I might be tempted to try and change it. This is not so much CMV as LMR - Listen to My Ranting. Seriously, there's no view on show, just a really angry and spiteful comment on male-female friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:51 PM
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I wouldn't go as far as to say common, but I do know of high-powered professional women, especially in Law, who have taken up with and even settled down with blue collar guys. Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not sure waiter quite fits that bill - of the relationships I'm talking about: Corporate lawyer (f) + Paramedic (m) Corporate lawyer (f) + Construction worker (m) Senior editor in a big publishing house (f) + Construction worker (m) To up the ante, the women have all been privately sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 10:42 PM
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Years ago, I ended up sharing a bed with a mate's gf after a party and the house was freezing cold. I was basically hard as a tree all night and it was nightmarish trying not to do something. She was well aware of it, but pretended not to notice so I pretended that she was not pretending not to notice. Too many negatives there, but I guess you get the drift ...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:56 PM
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I'd like to think I wouldn't, but I have been sorely tempted on a couple of occasions. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:40 PM
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So, do you think that there is someone for everybody? Or are there some people who are destined to be alone? Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that it's quite possible to find someone if you look hard enough and work at it. No, in the sense that nobody has someone just "waiting in the wings" as if it's a drama and that they will just magically appear. I don't think anyone is destined to anything, but if you don't get into the dating game by your late teens it's only going to get harder the older you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 05:36 PM
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Well, of course - hence "at least to some degree" - some degree meaning a greater or lesser extent. (So we actually agree on that point, just you neglected to include the qualifier I added.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 07:21 AM
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Why is a woman who has been treated badly in the past only worthy of bad treatment in the future? Well, certainly, she is not. But you have, wittingly or otherwise, grossly oversimplified what is an extremely complex issue and from that point of view it is a bit of a red herring. Women in abusive relationships are often locked in a kind of dynamic with that abusive partner. Some people will recoil at that and declare what I've said to be an example of blaming the victim - but the people who use …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 01:48 PM
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These comments come from self acclaimed nice guys, Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 01:36 PM
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Thanks. Not to be a pain in the ass, but one minor point - when you say " no results to go with it" I think they are "successful" in their terms and do get results. But my suspicion is that what "succeeds" isn't successful for the reasons they think it is. My suspicion is that being approached by such a dude with "game" is either so artless or so over-the-top unreal that what they signal to a mature and confident woman is "Here's an opportunity for a no-strings, guilt free, lay" (Erica Jong's in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 09:07 AM
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So you're not ripped, so you you're not only not a male model, but you don't even look like one. I think that puts a whole new spin on your "philosophy". First of all, there's going to be a lot less sex involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 08:47 PM
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Are you a male model?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 08:32 PM
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Everyone's afraid that their daughters might be hurt. No one seems to be scared that their sons might be the ones to do it ... This book ... is the culmination of many years of writing about power, abuse, privilege, male entitlement and rape culture. After all that, here's what I've learned: we should be f*cking terrified.' Clementine Ford, from the introduction And that's what a professional troll writes like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 08:20 PM
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Oh dear God, that troll has a child? And that child is a son? I don't know why I said "Oh dear God" given this must be as good a proof as any that there definitely isn't one ...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 08:06 PM
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Not a woman. But if the rest of the message replies are going to be anything like the first few on here ... "Dis Gon B Good"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:50 PM
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Boy, was I ever wrong. Do tell
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:49 PM
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What do y'all think the consequences are? Are these boys more likely to be feminists or will they swing in the opposite direction once they come of age? What will their mental health be like? Will they be at peace with their own masculinity? I suspect the real deciding issue is not whether they identify as feminist or not, but whether they are fucking mental or not. It has to be said that feminism has attracted quite a few women who are both vocal and absolutely fucking bonkers. Jody Allard, for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:33 PM
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I don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:22 PM
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Not a woman. But if the rest of the message replies are going to be anything like the first four on here ... "Dis Gon B Good"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:15 PM
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Some possible answers: If the redpill philosophy/advice was so effective in making men more attractive why aren't more men flocking to it? Because it's so fucking dorky. Ninety per cent of the time or more, it's only ever going to appeal to men who have failed or are failing to get dates in the first place. I mean, large numbers of men don't need some grand narrative theory of male-female relations to get drunk and hook up with an attractive woman at a bar or wherever. Why isn't the subreddit sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 02:54 PM
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No, I think you are quite wrong here. You clearly do not need to have "causal success". Just think of the number of struggling poets, political activists, musicians, singers, novelists, actors, and so on who are successful in attracting partners even when they are literally penniless (it's not just a cliche, they really do exist and there are women who really are attracted to them). If you're a bum and you're confident, it won't attract woman at all. Even here, you're wrong. For a start, you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 10:48 AM
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Which breeds more reactionaries in a vicious cycle... It is an act of staggering incompetence and stupidity - on a General Custer level - to feel confident enough to abuse something like 40% of the population on a regular basis and not expect to get a reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:08 PM
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Probably not to be honest. Apart from the fact that it would be hard to say anything minatory that wouldn't end up encouraging her into his arms rather than driving her away from him, I would assume that she's not a dumbass and that she's got a pretty good handle on what he's about and what kind of interaction - if any - she's likely to have with him. I mean, if I thought he was a rapist then that would be another matter, but if he's just a pick-up artist ... I'd hope she would know what she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 10:49 PM
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I disagree entirely. You do surprise me ; - ) Feminists are ... Evidently this is something you have thought about a lot - so with that in mind, I will assume you are aware that there are broadly (for want of a better word) 'schools' of feminism of various types. Even Christina Hoff-Sommers, who I am sure you know, stands behind something she calls 'Freedom feminism'. So with that in mind, what is it you think all the people who call themselves feminists (with the likely and fair exception of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 09:33 PM
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A gender role is a set of moralized expectations assigned to people on the basis of their sex. That's a clear definition, to be sure. However, the point I was trying to hint at (but didn't make) was that the "set of moralized expectations assigned to people on the basis of their sex" comes about as a result of choosing to view everything through a gendered lens - which is what e.g. feminist and gender studies people do. What they then often get wrong, in my opinion, is they forget this quite imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 07:15 AM
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Some people are like that, now. Seriously. You make your point eloquently, but again I go back to OPs description of an android that thinks and evolves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:51 AM
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I don't care what I strike you as Proceeds to write almost 100 words showing how much he doesn't care. What a cunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:31 PM
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If you can cope with reading the parts between Jesus H. Christ and Sunday? there's an answer to your first question. As to your second question, you don't strike me as the kind of person who's in a position to judge the intellectual competence of others with any confidence. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:13 PM
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The flair says treats objects like women - it's a line from the film.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 08:22 PM
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Love the Big Lebowski reference
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 07:58 PM
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Oh, where, where, where to begin with this? Why would a guy want to settle down when hes getting pussy thrown at him? Jesus H. Christ ... so basically, on your world, handsome men are incapable of feeling, of sentiment; they lack imagination and empathy and have absolutely no decency or morality? They are simply a hard-on attached to a body, a perpetual rutting machine, with no IQ and no personality, that walks into a room as if pleased at the smell of his own farts and waits to get fucked six-w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 07:58 PM
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But the significance of MGTOW is in men voluntarily boycotting the male gender role. But what is the male gender role? For that matter, and more importantly, what is a gender role? I'm inclined to reject that kind of feminist perspective - whatever your own feelings about feminism, if you are talking about gender roles you are adopting a broadly feminist perspective. But from the perspective of a society that's concerned with declining marriage/commitment/family-formation rates ... There are dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 03:59 PM
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Yes, the religion provides a relief from the pressure to constantly score with women. But so do MGTOW ... Then, surely, that just confirms the point I've been trying to make here, no? That said, going back a bit: MGTOW doesn't require a man to identify as MGTOW, merely to decide that marriage and kids aren't in his future. That's the standard I'm using. I'm not sure that you can co-opt people who don't identify as MGTOW as MGTOW though. As a single professional, one who was freelance for a long …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 12:26 PM
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A religious revival requires everyone to get together in joint delusion to believe in fairy tales That is a very tired, very 19th Century Socialist understanding of religion. It's the kind of view of religion that committed Marxists put forward in contrast to their allegedly superior scientific, rationalist, and materialist concept of history. It was - and still is - complete bullshit, natch. Its not going to happen. It's already happening if the rise of Islam in Europe is anything to go by
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 12:11 PM
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I am going to come back on your points, but do please remember that the main purpose of my initial post was the change the view of OP and to do that I was suggesting that the factors he had set out were at least as likely to predict a religious revival - hence, it's not so much that I am predicting a resurgence in religion, but that this would be equally or more likely based on his prediction of an upsurge in MGTOW by 2040. Whilst a religious person may not see marriage as highly costly overall,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:42 AM
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"Ewwwww, gross" as I believe the young women of California are supposed to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:10 AM
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Just make them human, but with the core drive to want to fuck you So ... a human then? OK, I was being a little facetious - but still, it's true, the sex drive is incredibly powerful and pervades the way people in a given society relate to each other to a very great extent. (To be frank, the rest of your reply lost me a bit)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:09 AM
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Wouldn’t that feel kinda lonely, because while you love this AI, deep down you know they don’t feel anything and they’re just programmed to be what you love? A person's answer to that would cross a blurry line into other types of really existing flesh-and-blood relationships though. Think of a notionally "straight" man in a relationship with a transwoman for instance, especially when it comes to kids (couples in trans relationships can, of course, have children and become parents - but the way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:06 AM
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What? I don't get it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 08:51 AM
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I understand what you are saying, but I fail to see how it makes for a counterpoint to my point which is the conditions outlined by OP (which I summarised in that bullet list) would be just as likely, if not more so, to predict a religious revival as an upturn in MGTOW (which in any case strikes me as very unlikely). [It's] a lot more costly as a way to get sex Only when looked at from a very particular perspective - the religious perspective on marriage in the three Abrahamic religions at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 08:50 AM
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Yes, I do - and no it is certainly not impossible to fall in love with an image. Millions of adolescent girls and boys do it all the time - fantasize about a pop star or so on. Now take that type of relationship and apply to what could be thought of as a 4-dimensional pin-up poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 08:39 AM
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Well, not really. Something would change. If the androids are physically perfect and also on a part with the most desirable flesh and blood women, then it might mean that men choose to compete for the androids over the flesh and blood equivalents. The reasons for that could be the novelty, or maybe just because not being biologically female, the androids might be generally much more open to having casual sex with a wider range of men. Introducing any disruptive element to an environment will aff…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:50 PM
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ITT somewhere I made basically the same point: ... in a short time they would , presumably, start to behave either indistinguishably from flesh and blood humans or else they'd split off and form their own sub-communities amongst themselves and their kind. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:38 PM
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Jesus Christ ... fucking anal retentives ...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:36 PM
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But that's you comparing a sexbot to something like a sex toy that has no consciousness - whereas OPs androids are not sexbots, apparently, but artificial humans who can "think" and "evolve". Also, Pygmalion, right? It's not impossible to fall in love with an image. Why wouldn't it be plausible to fall for an artificial intelligence android if that AI android can think, converse, dance, etc.? ​
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:31 PM
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I haven't read through all the comments in the thread here so I suspect someone else will have said something along these lines already, but now that's out of the way: I'm referring to specific behaviour and things men do. For example: The thing about your examples is that if what the men were doing didn't result in success then they wouldn't be doing at all, ever. The fact that so many guys do this tells me that there are women out there who are responding to this - or more accurately, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:27 PM
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If the androids you are talking about could "think" and "evolve" then it's hard to see how they could affect the dating scene very much as in a short time they would , presumably, start to behave either indistinguishably from flesh and blood humans or else they'd split off and form their own sub-communities amongst themselves and their kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:15 PM
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Why "Nothing"? ​
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:11 PM
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I thought that was InCels with the guns? I think MGTOW are either fat old dudes who can't afford mail order brides or thin young dudes who've applied libertarian economics to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:09 PM
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Except its in schools and universities - and in the institutions and professions which require (or just attract) university graduates - where those "blue pill ideologies" are most prevalent. But if boys keep doing poorly in school and this leads to male participation rates in higher ed continuing to fall then this might mean an increase in boys and men who ignore and/or miss out on those kinds of ways of thinking. The more fragmented media channels become the more diluted those messages might be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:07 PM
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Oh, yeah, I got it was tongue in cheek - I just wasn't sure whether the tongue was in the Thot cheek, or the MGTOW one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:02 PM
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Do you mean a jihad against them or by them against MGTOW?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 10:55 PM
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The points you raise are: emotionally disaffected women (and mainly disaffected as a result of "feminism and leftism"); technological substitutes for sex; rising financial costs of marriage and relationships; the alleged privileging of a small number of advantaged men over the rest. Every one of these points could be used to predict a massive religious revival as much as MGTOW becoming the norm; maybe even more so. There is little in your list there that a devout Christian pastor or Muslim imam …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 10:36 PM
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No one cares what the MGTOW dudes do. Heh ; - )
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 10:21 PM
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I noticed modding is super strict It must be at least three years since I was there, but the issue I found - and I later discovered I was far from alone - was a combination of overzealous modding, and inability to apply their own rules with anything approaching consistency, and a complete intransigence when it came to making appeals. The most aggravating of these rules was the one about generalisations - while I can understand gross stereotyping of the "All women are crazy"-type is clearly unhel…
/r/MensRights08/01/19 08:16 AM
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It drives me nuts, honestly, that people do not read the sidebar and of that sub in particular. It is absolutely specific about what and who it is for and more importantly what and who it is not for - they couldn't be clearer over there. That said, FeMRAdebates is a joke - the mods are blatantly biased against anyone critical of feminism and will delete posts on the most risible grounds. To suggest that it has "intelligent, respectful debate " is simply untrue over there.
/r/MensRights08/01/19 12:49 AM
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Thanks for such a thorough response. Yet this is done in many scientific fields [ ... ] your attack on Briffault's Law accounts to "nenenene, you can't quantify all the variables, checkmate atheists" ignoring the fact that you can work with statistics and different models. I don't think you have even stopped to think about it, [ ... ] As it happens, I've thought about it rather a lot. The reference to "checkmate atheists" had me completely baffled at first, but then it struck me that perhaps you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 10:59 PM
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I wondered how long it would be in this debate thread before a truly master debater managed to bring up IQ. Do you actually have a point to make or is that it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 08:41 PM
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Great post, by the way, very fun take on things. Anyway: Tell me why I am wrong or give further points which detail why a man should treat his love life as he treats his career. The only further points I'd add - which really are already implied in your post but not made explicit - is adding the metaphor of unemployment, especially long-term unemployment to the list. Don't have a decent set of clothes? Spend all your time wandering around in sweat pants? Yeah, that "interview" is probably not goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 08:18 PM
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In a word, 'No'. Given that human societies and human psychology are not only vastly complex but dynamic and continually changing, I simply do not see how it would be possible to establish a measure by which male utility to female partners could be evaluated. I mean, I've no doubt someone could (probably already has) have a go at producing some kind of measure, but it would have more holes in it than a Swiss cheese because you could never possibly account for all the variables, let alone then ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 08:11 PM
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You missed the point. That sub states unambiguously that it has been created by feminists for other feminists to discuss feminism on - you therefore broke their rule by posting that comment and it's completely reasonable for them to block you on those grounds. Likewise, the Askfeminist sub works along the same lines - except there it has been created by feminists for people interested in committing to feminism to find out more on what feminists say on particular issues. It states quite clearly i…
/r/MensRights05/01/19 09:54 AM
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