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Yeah maybe in the 40s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:12 PM
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Exactly the whole story is about disillusionment with that. You must love the movie “there will be blood” You know, the one about how there’s absolutely no downside to greed. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:46 PM
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Or more pacifically. You could commiserate with friends and redditors about gender relations and then just do your best with what you got and not necessarily bring it up every time you’re on a date. I have worked places where I had a shit boss, I played the game, discussed issues with coworkers from various departments, took his job, and made the place better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:05 PM
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I agree with this but I think people think it’s wrong because they have been told ad nauseam that it is wrong. I’d argue it’s part of why people are inhibited and neurotic about this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:30 PM
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Yeah but your an analysis is akin to thinking the theme of the movie “Blow” is that being a drug dealer is awesome. I guess many of us are just frustrated at that exact thing. A lot of people took that exact message from those pieces of fiction. Many people do love TCOMC because it is a teenage boy’s swashbuckling, wet dream, revenge fantasy, not because it discusses the downfall of becoming obsessed with revenge. APODG is a pretty fun ride when it’s all about just being the worlds most beautifu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:23 PM
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Eh you can yearn for a more equitable world without quitting your job and protesting full time. Some people take the point of view that in order to fight power we MUST embrace power. I don’t love car culture but I can fight the good fight, vote, advocate for better public transportation, while begrudgingly commuting in my car every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:10 PM
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I think it’s perfectly fine to focus on what you can do to escape a bad thing while also criticizing the bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:42 PM
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Blaming may be harsh but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect a certain level of cooperation from all members of a society in solving problems within that society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:30 PM
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I just think guys feel bad about it. I can’t read ACOTAR without thinking about the informed consent issues, age gap weirdness. Problematic power imbalance. I think ladies are just unburdened by historical baggage. As a man, you hear enough people talk about caveman gender relations and it makes you want to be EXTRA respectful and polite to separate yourself from that dark history. This does not a Casanova make. So to answer your question, yes. I have had to embrace more of that problematic fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:58 PM
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The count of Monte Cristo: vengeance is bad, just move on if someone wrongs you. I find real life people are not like Mercedes. Real people want you to fight for them and be passionate like that. The picture of Dorian gray: arrogance, vainglory, are bad, value people for their internal value not their beauty or talent. I find real people care tremendously about appearance, success, etc. Many people are just like Dorian and fall out of love with someone who they view to be beneath them. The great…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:42 PM
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I’m not saying it entitles you to sex and relationships. I’m only saying that certain gentlemanly things that make you a good citizen, do not a Casanova make. Which is confusing. And yes a large portion of these conversations ARE people like you mischaracterizing this message above, in negative terms, as guys A) being naive for thinking that you should follow rules like “don’t bother women at xyz location” “never assume a gal is interested because of (insert potential signal)”. I think it’s not …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:04 PM
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I mean for guys who are eligible bachelors it’s great, less competition. However, just because something benefits me personally doesn’t always make me stoked. I can think of a million examples of historical institutions that greatly benefited people that look like me yet I pretty much oppose them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:36 PM
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I agree there just needs to be more balance and nuance. As it is I didnt experience a lot of nuance or balance when I was lectured about this stuff as a young person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:04 PM
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As a rule I don’t usually compare the value of human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:46 PM
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The golden rule is treating people the way you would like to be treated. I don’t understand why there’s this idea that being a good person is somehow lame or naive. Like I honestly don’t think you want people out here indulging their worst instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:37 PM
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My mom was not that kind of mom. She was pretty clear that I needed to get my shit together and make something of myself or my life would be shit. Sure she told me I was handsome but she also told me girls don’t like poor fat slobs. She wasn’t really one for the “anyone would be lucky” routine. Honestly when I got girlfriends she was always asking if I was treating them right, literally never asked how I was being treated. Which is funny because I had some doozies as girlfriends in my youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:46 PM
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Thank you so much for saying this. The tendency on here is to call those guys weak or naive or imply that they are actually bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:22 PM
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I just think ya gotta have a little more hope and give people a little more grace. The tit for tat thing is just not fruitful. I don’t think of it like a competition or some power game. Rising tides and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:43 PM
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Eh I disagree with this kind of eye for an eye logic. Especially when it goes outside the time span of an individuals lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:00 PM
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And you think that’s a good thing? I should use all my power and privilege to just satisfy my hedonistic desires? Instead of trying to be a a good human?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:14 PM
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Ill have you know im vehemently left wing. For some reason I didn’t think the super left wing school marms were a boot to be licked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:07 PM
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I gotta hold your feet to the fire here. You’re saying the onus is on children to decipher the subtext of these goofy rules? Rather than adults to just communicate better?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:36 PM
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What does the way we raise kids have to do with social norms? Gee… I guess I don’t know…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:17 PM
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I’m confused it seems you don’t believe in any of these rules yet you’re putting all of the responsibility on me to read between the lines (as a child btw), do adults in these situations have any responsibility to approach these things with less shame and fear mongering? Could we maybe shift toward your style? I pretty much agree with you on everything except I don’t think it’s okay to be so dogmatic and shamey to kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:15 PM
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My dawg.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:06 PM
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All the things you just listed are things I was told not to read as consent. I was always told nothing but explicit verbal communication will serve.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:50 PM
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Nothing im replying to someone who implied that rules we teach kids are not important and it’s just bullshit we say to placate kids. So I asked if the golden rule is part of those “silly rules you actually don’t need to follow”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:40 PM
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I hear what you’re saying and of course I speed and jay walk but that doesn’t feel like I’m hurting anyone. Vs if you have been told that it’s 100% not okay to touch a woman without her explicit consent then it’s much harder to take the risk of putting your arm around her because the stakes are much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:38 PM
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Well it worked really well that’s why I was so confused. It just kinda seems like gals didn’t like that I was getting good at this. These werent random strangers. They were women who were friends and whose opinions mattered to me. Now I don’t really care but it took lots of therapy to get to a point where I can allow myself to be selfish at all or do anything that’s like antisocial at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:32 PM
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I had a very similar experience. Extreme rules that basically scare and shame you into just becoming a passive participant in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:22 PM
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Well technically jaywalking is illegal. I have a question for you. Are you wearing pants? You don’t REALLY need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:17 PM
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Women in my life? I’ve shared this story already but I was once criticized harshly by a group of female friends for using this pick up line “do I know you from somewhere” as if it is some crass inappropriate line. So that is the level of scrutiny that lots of us deal with. If I can get berated for something like this innocuous pick up line I’m sure you can see how that might discourage someone from less innocuous things like going for an initiation of physical touch etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:16 PM
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I know that’s my frustration, the lack of nuance. The way I was raised if I want to court a gal I need to break a bunch of rules and that makes me feel bad. I’m not shy I’m actually quite good at it. My issue is that the entire time I feel like a bad person because so many normal courtship things were harshly discouraged in my youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:14 PM
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I just categorically dismiss this kind of “law of the jungle” type take. Of course there ought to be cultural norms and rules of polite society that people should follow. Otherwise like why wear pants?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:46 PM
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I was 100% discouraged from doing certain normal courtship behaviors. The rationale was that male sexuality is scary due to historical baggage, I should just let the gals come to me. Fortunately I am blessed in a lot of ways so that worked fine but it made me feel like I have no agency and it does get old everyone implying that you’re bad or you shouldn’t express yourself because you also have a peen like all those historically poorly behaved men did.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:38 PM
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Not understanding stuff used to be embarrassing. Now people think it’s a debate tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:18 PM
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Look there’s things that help a lot to get laid that adults constantly counsel boys against. My whole goal here is to just point that out. If it doesn’t make you a bad person to do X and women actually expect and appreciate X behavior. Why are we browbeating young people about how it DOES make you a bad person and how ALL WOMEN despise that behavior. Like let’s call a spade a spade and maybe cool it with the shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:01 PM
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Agreed I think people are hilarious when they’re like “just be happy single” Yeah just ignore all your instincts to be a social animal and give up. Great advice. I’ll not ever begrudge someone for being a hopeless romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:54 PM
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So which societal norms and customs do you keep? Do you not follow the golden rule? Is that for suckers? Like what societal norms am I allowed to break in the name of getting laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:52 PM
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Exactly. People gotta be kinder to each other to make this better. Call me crazy I know it’s a hot take.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:37 PM
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Hey I’ve been standing up to those guys my whole life. Like I thought I was supposed to. Then I’m hanging out with lady friends of mine and they just talk a bunch of shit about short guys poor guys etc. I don’t feel comfortable standing up to them because I feel like it makes me look like a right wing psycho to speak up on behalf of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:13 PM
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If I’m able to date and hoe around doesn’t that mean I am picking the right ladies/locations? Again to your point from the post, nobody in porn ever said “don’t hit on your coworkers” “don’t use xyz pick up line” “don’t ever assume a gal is interested just because she is showing you signs she is interested” that was all my trusted adults and female peers and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:02 PM
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Of course they have. Back in the day ladies would take on paramours outside of their political marriages. I bet those guys got gifts and privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:59 PM
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Im telling you im pretty good at fishing, the frustration is that in order to do it I need to break a bunch of rules. So my question is. Why was I told all of these rules? If I’m supposed to break them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:48 PM
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Hard disagree. Boning random chicks gets old.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:46 PM
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Well that’s my point. I see a lot of no fishing signs but then to my surprise fish are like jumping in my boat. It is maddening to see the things I have been told never to do, work like a charm. So in sum, yes there is some misinformation being sold to boys about courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:42 PM
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So again I ask. If a person of authority told you “never touch anyone without their permission” you would just take that as mostly a guideline?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:32 PM
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Okay and what if there was a big sign that said no fishing? Should I just ignore that as mostly just a guideline?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:31 PM
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I mean this was a group of theater girls I was in a play with, so yeah I ran in the artsy crowd. Why wouldn’t I want advice from my close female friends? I mean besides the fact that i already mentioned their advice didn’t work great. Again, who are you supposed to talk to about the is stuff? I guess we all need a sleazy uncle in our lives to counterbalance the uber woke advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:15 PM
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Well in my specific example it was female peers. So should I be one of those guys who “listens to the fisherman and not the fish” I just don’t understand where you want this argument to go. It seems your take is “do whatever works, don’t be naive” which I think is not the most prosocial route to go. It seems a lot of people will sing the praises of the social contract and modern society but then they are so quick to be like “welp ultimately the only law is the law of the jungle” wtf are we doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:06 PM
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Again I don’t see being contrarian as some ideal to work towards. The gubment wants me to stop at red lights? I ain’t no sucker. Where do you stand on the golden rule? Is it just woke nonsense hokum?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:01 PM
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The Venn diagram of things I was told to 100% avoid and things that work with women is a circle. So I guess it’s not lies but more like banal hyperbolic platitudes or advice that lack nuance. I was once told for instance that it’s wrong to say “hey do I know you from somewhere?” As a pick up line. So if that is the level of scrutiny guys are under then I think it’s understandable why guys are confused. In this instance I was told by a group of women that this pick up line I was using was wrong a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:58 PM
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Well, we should examine why that is. Not just accept that it is. Do you think it’s good for a boy to challenge authority of a teacher saying something like “always wait for explicit permission before making any romantic advances” Isn’t being a goody two shoes a good thing? Why do you make it sound negative? Are you a criminal or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:47 PM
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I agree, I think people give lots of banal advice to kids because they want kids to be good workers and not cause problems. That does not a Casanova make. Still though I think it’s understandable for men to be bummed out about the way they treated us as boys. I grew up in the era of “body positivity” and pushing back on beauty standards. So it is a little annoying to then be called naive and stupid for listening to those messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:41 PM
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I disagree with this narrative of if a guy is romantically unsuccessful it’s because he is a weak loser. That is completely ignoring the context of how a lot of guys were raised. To tell boys that it’s basically never okay to express romantic or sexual desire, then shame them for being weak and shy, is super dumb and only makes more people go down the dark path because it’s the only place they get any real support.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:22 PM
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Then why do both men and women get so spellbound by guys who do that “risky” behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:16 PM
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I think it’s really simple. For like 30 years people have been telling boys that basically you shouldn’t ever express your desire to a woman. Only just recently have people started being like “of course you can approach women, don’t be naive, shy, weak, (insert emasculating shame language)” Which I personally think it’s interesting, you browbeat boys about not doing a thing implying that you’re a bad person if you do that thing, then one day it all flips and now it’s “naive, weak, shy, etc.” of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:12 PM
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I’m not one of those guys you described. However, I absolutely think misandry is a problem. I grew up in a predominantly female household and have heard a lot of unfair manhating in my day. I understand the emotion and the desire to get a “get back” considering all the historical baggage of gender relations but I just don’t think it’s fruitful. It’s easy for me to call balls and strikes and not let myself be biased by the fact that I also have a peen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:02 PM
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It’s a real thing but I think a lot of people use historical baggage to exacerbate the problem. Like red pill guys criticizing women for being opportunistic. You’re completely ignoring a bunch of important context. I find that people underestimate men’s contribution just because this narrative is so strong, not necessarily because there are tons of deadbeats out there
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:07 PM
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lol I tell my therapist that all the time. I use the strategies I learn from therapy and over and over again I get the vibe that people DO NOT want more emotionally intelligent men out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:01 PM
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Sure why not give it a go
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:57 PM
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It seems like you are a preferences absolutist. Do you denounce the attempts at shaming the preferences of men during that time period?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:55 PM
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No thats why im sharing that it’s annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:05 PM
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Well by that line of reasoning, isn’t making excuses for people being “imperfect” also a step towards anarchy etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:03 PM
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It is. It may be a little shitty and bad faith but I think the sentiment is easily understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:02 PM
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I hear you but then why do we waste so much air on being a good person and all that. According to your logic shouldn’t every kindergarten class start with “this is the jungle the only rule is power, trample the weak and hurdle the dead”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:52 PM
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I guess my frustration is with people telling you to be one thing but then not valuing it at all. I expect that if you have strong philosophical convictions that you loudly proclaim, that you would also love your life in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:29 PM
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We could all be a bit more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:24 PM
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Strange I feel like I’m always getting browbeaten by frustrated people about things I’ve never done personally but am seemingly still culpable for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:23 PM
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Strange, you should tell that to men who were young boys during the 00s. We were CONSTANTLY berated about beauty standards that were being pushed by older much more powerful men like Les Wexner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:22 PM
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I agree I think women need to do some internal work about their desire for a problematic male archetype. You can’t say you’re on the side of goodness and enlightenment and never confront your ape brain bias towards a violent ape tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:07 PM
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I thought we were supposed to be working towards equality though?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:02 PM
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Being a good seducer is absolutely a skill one can learn. Unfortunately it seems that behavior I have found that works well in courting women is often harshly scrutinized and shamed. The venn diagram of totally normal courtship behavior, and things I was always told to avoid is a perfect circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:01 PM
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Eh after being browbeaten my whole life about how certain preferences are not okay to have (even preferences I never cared for) I feel pretty justified in criticizing preferences that are IMO problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:56 PM
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