Gobbedyret Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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-2	Men and women are self evidently different, they will have different outcomes in a fair system The trend is quite weak - in hunter gatherer societies, everyone has to gather and/or hunt, or people starve. Yeah, taking care of children means less gathering for women, but it's way too far to say that men, and not women, evolved to gather resources. The increased muscle mass is more likely due to sexual selection. Feminization of the schools: I see that as just another groundless ad hoc explanation. I'm pretty sure grading is anonymous in practically every country. Yeah, testosterone doesn't…	/r/MensRights	15/12/15 09:31 PM
-1	Men and women are self evidently different, they will have different outcomes in a fair system I think you should talk more to some evolutionary biologists. "No evolutionary biologist will dispute that [...] men evolved to [...] gather resources". Wrong. In hunter-gather societies, it's wildly different where people get their food from. It's almost always the case, though, that they get most of the energy from gathering than from hunting, and that females did a lot of the gathering. Women, for example, are the principal providers in the Hazda people. That entire video relies on speculatio…	/r/MensRights	15/12/15 09:03 PM
2	The Cultural Marxist’s Playbook I think the author summarizes his own text best: "Still others dismiss the whole idea of Cultural Marxism as a ‘right-wing conspiracy theory’, worthy only of a footnote in a German political history text." Amen.	/r/MensRights	15/12/15 08:48 PM
1	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' I actually don't know the wages of coal miners, but I do know that bus drivers earn much less than fishermen. Regarding responsibility: Why is responsibilty a bad thing? I would like responsibility in my job - it makes it worth getting up every morning. As long as long don't have to personally pay for my mistakes - and almost no jobs do. People speak about bank CEOs having so much responsibility, but when it comes down to it, the worst thing that can happen is that they're fired (and even with a…	/r/MensRights	21/02/15 04:53 AM
-1	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' Regarding the blog post from the US dep of Labor (USDL): We can fairly assume anyone writing on USDLs blog represent the views of USDL, and is expected speak on their behalf. At least, this is what I read from their states purpose. And of course it makes sense that an employee whose main focus is the wage gap writes about the wage gap. In fact, I think there would be more reason to not trust it if it wasn't. Hopefully she's an academic, since she's writing about academic litterature on behalf of…	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 08:38 AM
-1	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' Your reply is simply a long, unstructured rant of all men's problems, not a focused response. Most of it is not relevant. I will only reply to what is. Regarding war veterans (which is relevant when speaking about suicides): Men choose to go to war, completely voluntarily. The suicides this causes is self-inflicted. Regarding shelters and government aid for women: Yes, the government provides slightly better aides for women who are in trouble (such as homes for beaten women). However, these spec…	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 08:22 AM
2	New to the men's right's movement Gee, sorry to hear about that crazy girl. Sadly, many people still use feminsm as an echo chamber for man-hating. Check out the links in the sidebar. You should definitely see the FAQ.	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 07:02 AM
6	"Stop 'manspreading' on planes" I can get baffled by what people can turn into a sex issue. Taking up unnecessary space is a matter of common decency, not a sex issue. Yes, we like to spread our legs because we have balls. I'd also like to lie down across four seats, but if I did, I'd be a dick.	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 07:00 AM
-1	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' Not true. Men choose to have less friends and cut contact as they grow older and marry. Men choose to keep less in contact with their family (disregarding discrimination in family courts). Men choose high-stress jobs. Male culture celebrates drinking. These are men's own choices. Nothing prevents men from having the same fulfilled lives as women and not kill themselves. Again, and I'm afraid I must repeat this every time, this does not mean that we can dismiss male suicides.	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 05:56 AM
-2	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' No, there is no discrimination involved when it comes to gendered differences in pay You might not have had the US in mind. If you did, the US department of labor disagrees. Here's another article, based on 1998 data, which finds that a large part of the gap cannot be explained by the usual factors such as occupation or education. Also, see this article and maybe some of its references, which shows how, when given identical resumes in an experiment, the male ones are judged as more competent, mo…	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 05:38 AM
-2	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' Disagreed. Most high-payed work is more comfortable than lower-paid work. A doctor (most of whom are men) make more than a nurse (most of whom are women), and have better jobs. A salesman has a better job and earn more money than a cashier. A middle manager has a better job than a bus driver, earns more money and has way less responsibilities. Wages has really little to do with effort or risk.	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 05:13 AM
-5	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' You can't seriously be comparing women taking jobs in lower paying fields [and] men [...] killing themselves Yes, I can. There are important similarities. However, I refuse to have this become a contestant in Opression Olympics. Killing yourself is much worse than earning less money, but much fewer people do it. Both issues are important.	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 05:02 AM
0	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' I don't really know what causes people to kill themselves, because I only know two people who have attempted (and luckily failed) suicide. Both of them are mentally ill. I'm probably not the right person to ask. Now that you are asking, I think the causes of female and male suicide are much the same. I' m not sure the role of fathers is important, but it might be. How do you think this matters? However, more males are in shitty situations than females. For example, males on average has less frie…	/r/MensRights	20/02/15 04:56 AM
-8	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' Of course there are many differences between low wages and killing yourself. I know which one I'd rather be subjected to. And of course I was being ironic when I said that men could simply choose to not kill themselves. I was mocking how easily people dismiss the wage gap by convincing themselves that they earn less by choice. Perhaps it is the case that there is no power preventing any women from becoming CEOs. Nonetheless we don't see them very often. Similarly, there's no power preventing men…	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 07:13 PM
-4	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' Do not dismiss the wage gap by assuming women get an equivalent time off or greater flexibility - only a small part of the wage gap is caused by the fewer work hours of women. Instead, the common perspective is this: Something in society causes women to seek low wages. Something in society causes men to kill themselves. Bot are real effects, but neither can be attributed to direct discrimination of any sorts.	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 07:04 PM
-7	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' There is a lot of evidence to support the claim that the great majority of the wage gap, at least in America, is accounted for by individual choice, and not by discrimination. Um, yes, that is my point. And I'll bet 100 % of male suicides is accounted for by individual choice. Does that mean we can "debunk the suicide gap myth"?	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 06:59 PM
-5	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' I think we very much agree, fundamentally. The wage gap is not primarily due to discrimination (although some part might - banker's culture is insanely macho). But, as was my point, neither is the amount of suicides (neither a noose nor a handgun discriminate). Instead, in our culture, something is making women gravitate towards lower paying jobs. This is the real issue here. It's a cultural phenomenon, not a matter of discrimination. Therefore we cannot look at the "pay for equal jobs", or pay …	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 06:58 PM
-7	I'm a Feminist and I Still Want These 7 Gentlemanly Gestures. Do You? Without asking, we cannot know it in any particular situation. But beginning gender discussions when someone opens a door for you would be completely misplaced anyway. We can see that men hold doors for women much more often than they hold it for men, and that there's an expectation from society that men should do this. You can't claim that Feminism is doing 'root cause analysis' >(finding and addressing the underlying problem), unless you can >conclusively demonstrate that they have accurately …	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 06:46 PM
-2	I'm a Feminist and I Still Want These 7 Gentlemanly Gestures. Do You? There is gender in it, whether you bring it or not. People hold doors for women, much less so for men. Yes, it's too much to begin sex discussions if someone holds a door for you - a "thanks!" will suffice. But when writing on a blog about sex and dating, thinking about these differences is not completely misplaced.	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 06:38 PM
-27	I'm a Feminist and I Still Want These 7 Gentlemanly Gestures. Do You? I don't agree. Door opening doesn't matter, but the reason for the door opening does. It reveals a view on women as weak, child-like and dependent. This view matters: It is the reason for all sorts of gender differences, such as lower sentences for (the weak, childlike) women, higher suicide rates for (the strong, self-sufficient) men and so on. The feminist movement realizes this and goes for the root of the problem, not the effects.	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 04:09 PM
-17	I'm a Feminist and I Still Want These 7 Gentlemanly Gestures. Do You? Indeed. And the article's author does not say she feels entitled to these privileges, or that men should hold the door for her. Only that she appreciates it.	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 03:32 PM
-10	Male suicide rate worst since 2001, ONS reveals. Office for National Statistics reveals male suicide rate in UK has 'increased significantly' since 2007, while female rates have stayed 'consistently lower' MRM's take on male suicides is quite interesting. Most MRA's have a picture of the MRM as being a movement solely concerned with the concrete lawful discrimination of men in our society, as opposed to feminism, which is focused mainly on perception of females and gender culture. Commonly, MRAs say that this feminist approach is because of a lack of real women's issues, and that it's hypersensitive. The wage gap, for instance, is largely dismissed because it's due to (what's assumed to be) women'…	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 03:21 PM
10	Lindsay Souvannarath, Randall Shepherd and our double standard for accused criminals Who writes this kind of article? Are they completely blind? Male perpetrators face much harder sentences, and are judged much harder in public opinion than female. The former is easily statistically verifiable. For the latter, you have to be deluded and/or blind to think otherwise.	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 03:08 PM
-24	I'm a Feminist and I Still Want These 7 Gentlemanly Gestures. Do You? If a feminist say they doesn't like it when a man holds the door, they're the stereotypical angry feminist. When they say they do, they're hypocritical and up for female supremacy. It's not easy, is it?	/r/MensRights	19/02/15 03:04 PM
2	I'm the mod of /v/Feminism and /v/AskFeminists at https://voat.co/ Since you're offering it: I was banned from AskFeminists because I answered a question - and I consider myself feminist! I argued that teaching "women's self-defense" would reinforce women in the role as victims and teach women to fear and resent men, and that the gains of these classes probably wouldn't be worth it. If you're honest about your invite, either unban me or tell me how my answer deserved a ban.	/r/MensRights	12/02/15 02:25 PM
23	'Feminist' Lana 'Aborts Baby Because It's A Boy' And Is Surprised By Backlash This is probably a hoax. Snopes think so, too: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/abortedboy.asp Why do we have to find crazy people on the Internet to direct fruitless anger at? Surely, there are better ways to promote men's rights. Also, by reacting to stuff like this you risk building an imaginary enemy of psychotic feminists instead of the real, mostly reasonable feminists who're not necessarily our enemy.	/r/MensRights	12/02/15 02:16 PM
1	Woman slashes children's throats to keep them quiet. Whose fault is it? Hint: not hers. That's a really good point, you are right. While such an angle from the media is completely justified, the problem is that this angle is put on consistently when dealing with women's crimes.	/r/MensRights	29/01/15 07:12 AM
3	I think we should avoid saying male feminists are "white knights trying to get laid". That's as bad as them calling us "neckbeard fedora bronie virgins". I have another idea/theory in trying to understand male feminists. Good point. Because when I'm engaged in feminist matters (with other feminists), I have an influence on what the movement is addressing. If I do any political work, I talk to the people I do it with and share vi viewpoint. I can take own initiative, levering the movement's organization to better men's situation. My influence is very tiny, invisible from afar, but still an influence.	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 09:55 PM
1	Sorry for the quality, I am mobile. Crazy radfem doesn't give a fuck about men. I'm the green. But this is posted on the mens rights subreddit, where no feminists see it. This is not an opportunity to present anything to feminists. This is preaching to the choir.	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 09:38 PM
0	I think we should avoid saying male feminists are "white knights trying to get laid". That's as bad as them calling us "neckbeard fedora bronie virgins". I have another idea/theory in trying to understand male feminists. Not only are you disregarding my viewpoint without argument, you're implying that I don't even believe in it myself. You can go fuck yourself.	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 03:04 PM
-1	This Woman Endures Horrifying Rape And Death Threats For Exposing Sexism In Video Games I'm genuinely curious: Why is she a troll? Almost the only think stated in this article is that she recieves tons of death threats and disgusting insults for saying that women are objectified in games. That really is worrying. Why on Earth is she the baddie in this?	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 03:01 PM
20	Woman slashes children's throats to keep them quiet. Whose fault is it? Hint: not hers. What do you mean? She is charged with attempted murder, and the police "do not suspect [the husband] played any kind of role in the violence". Who claims it is not her fault?	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 02:55 PM
42	Sorry for the quality, I am mobile. Crazy radfem doesn't give a fuck about men. I'm the green. Wow, that is one awful human being. However, is this thread relevant? All of us know there are unpleasant, sexist feminists. I don't think we need to be reminded of that. And I don't think this subreddit need more threads made to provoke outrage against some specific acts. We're not here to indulge in anger, even if it's righteous. That does not help men's cause.	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 02:52 PM
-9	I think we should avoid saying male feminists are "white knights trying to get laid". That's as bad as them calling us "neckbeard fedora bronie virgins". I have another idea/theory in trying to understand male feminists. Very well said, but despite the many reasons to be a male feminist, surely there is one that is overwhelming: We really believe in feminism. I am a feminist and an MRA, so it seems alien to me that the feminist viewpoint is so mysterious that an effort must be taken to understand it. In short, I and the male feminist I know do not believe that the end goal of feminism is female superiority, and I don't think supporting feminism is going to lead there. In contrast, feminism is the most powerful, …	/r/MensRights	28/01/15 02:46 PM
1	Why do feminists hate men? So you think all the good, well-meaning feminists I know are actually feminazis? Isn't it much more likely that the internet attracts man-hating loonies? I mean, based on my experience on the internet, half of Americans are retarded and/or delusional. But that's probably because the Bill O'Reilly types get a platform thanks to the internet. And while a good part of X-box live kids seem to want to tape my mother, I guess that's not how kids are in general.	/r/MensRights	26/01/15 02:53 AM
1	How Do You Feel Men Are Currently Being Represented In The Gaming Community? Welcome to the subreddit. I am almost as much a newbie as you, but maybe you can use my answer anyway. If you're speaking about how men are represented in the gaming community, then the answer is "completely neutral". A so large part of the visible gaming community consists of men and boys that people automatically assume you are a man. The reaction to men in the gaming community is complete apathy, which as a man is actually kind of nice. As regards to the rape threads, I have had several death…	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 03:10 PM
2	Why is feminism AWOL on womens rights? Denmark. The real reason we were in Afghanistan was probably to please the Americans, but you can't really convince men to kill and die so your politicians can suck up to a powerful nation. They must believe they're fighting for what's right, and liberation of the Afghani women were heavily used in Danish propaganda.	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 02:46 PM
2	Why do feminists hate men? I don't know much about KKK, but from a quick google seach, it doesn't remotely compare to feminism. The stated goal of KKK is racial cleansing of USA. Therefore, if anyone is a member of KKK, we can assume they support that stance. By contrast, the most common definitions of feminism is an egalitatian one (see for instance Reddit's r/feminism). Therefore, we must assume that any self-identified feminist is also egalitarian unless their speech proves otherwise. Maybe in one world, most feminist …	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 02:41 PM
13	great video on how feminism and how it is flawed An interesting video with a sympathetic, plainly speaking man! It isn't actually about how feminism is flawed, only how the idea of women quotas are misguided. However, there are two essential differences between his analogy of white men in sprinting and, say, women in boards: First, it's very easy to measure who's the fastest runner objectively, but it's not easy to measure who would be the most suitable board member. Typically, people tend to bond better with people like themselves, (which is …	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 02:25 PM
1	Why do feminists hate men? That is very likely. The majority of feminists are not heard from simply because they have little reason to make a fuss, because things are pretty okay. It's the paranoid "the patriarchy is out to get us women!"-kind of feminists who has a motive to be loud. Regarding the picture, that shirt is definitely a joke. Not even an offensive one, I think, because of its absurdity.	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 02:01 PM
2	Four out of four Australian of the year award winners for 2015 are female. Not really, I can't. Sure, a few feminists would whine about it, but I can't imagine this insignificant event with such a tiny sample of four people would be a general grievance for feminists. There are plenty of real, important problems that men face in our societies. You know, the reason of MRM's existence. Please do not distract us all with your imagined petty conflicts.	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 01:50 PM
3	Why is feminism AWOL on womens rights? I strongly disagree with the central thesis of the article - that western feminists are indeed silent about the oppression of women in the east. Actually, one of the main selling points of the war in Afghanistan, at least in my country, was that it would end Taliban's oppression of women. That it wouldn't work was foreseen by most of the left wing, and therefore many feminists. Feminism is a social movement, and as such, it's only really effective at short range through communities. And as a soc…	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 01:40 PM
32	Japanese man sues women's university Those spaces should surely not be tax-payed universities. This seems like unlawful segregation to me, not allowing men in a university. How can this be legal?	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 01:04 PM
2	Why do feminists hate men? I think "feminists hate men" is quite a stretch. You are referring only to the worst of feminists, the ones that seem to exist mostly in the minds of anti-feminists and on the internet. I, for once, have never met one. In fact, I was raised by feminist parents and have a actively feminist brother. While that sometimes leads to discussions with me, they are all very reasonable people who are true, although a little misguided, egalitarians. I live in northen Europe in one of the world's most femin…	/r/MensRights	25/01/15 01:00 PM