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Men do change their preferences in LTR vs STR. So I read through this and it just says that men may place more emphasis on WHR for short-term relationships and place more importance on personality for long-term relationships. In other words, the importance of any given trait fluctuates, but the traits themselves do not. This is very different from preferring X trait over Y for STR and Y trait over X for LTR (which women apparently do). Yes i can. This for instance This is actually very interesti…
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 09:48 PM
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If this is the study you tried to link for the first, it does not say anything about what men want in a short-term as opposed to a long-term partner. It does not even specify any particular physical or personality traits. The study is just about how people's reported priorities are sometimes asymmetrical in what actually influences them. The second study, also does not actually specify which traits, physical or psychological, are considered attractive. It simply lists physical attractiveness as …
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 09:10 PM
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I mean, you could say which references you are talking about, or rather just link them directly as opposed to the whole entry.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 05:41 PM
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Virtually all of the mainstream heartthrobs are bad boys; the trope of a good girl falling for a bad boy and only later liking the good guy is pretty well-established. In other words, the good guy is seldom the first choice. Although the ones above a certain class or who have a decent upbringing aren’t as likely to choose the ones that are pathologicallly aggressive enough to actually end up in prison, Once again, you are getting beyond sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 05:39 PM
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That is interesting although I am unsure how it is pertinent. My point was that women prefer muscular men for short-term relationships but think they make bad long-term partners because they think they are volatile and aggressive.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 05:38 PM
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The outcome will be different for men not involved in this profession. I have not seen evidence for this, especially given that another study I linked showed that Dark Triad traits are more attractive to women. And as for women preferring muscular men, same goes for men. They prefer slender women. Why are men not attracted to muscular women? Also, does your study indicate that men prefer slender women for short-term relationships but not for long-term relationships?
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 05:15 PM
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If they don't fit for an LTR is because they are also perceived to be better looking, hence more desired, hence higher rish for cheating. Well, that would apply to attractive women too, right? So why is there no change in men's preferences between STR and LTR? My point is that women find these men attractive but also think they have traits that make them a bad partner, and when studied in isolation men with said traits are deemed to be more attractive. I cite the Dark Triad study which controlle…
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 05:06 PM
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This is why the “good guy” types in media oriented towards women always have significant followings, too. That has not been my perception. I think that not all women are even attracted to this type of guy. Then why is it that all of these different studies come to the same result?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 05:01 PM
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Yes, but it says nothing about dual preferences (i.e. preferring X women for STR and Y women for LTR).
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 04:59 PM
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So I actually had looked at the references, but I saw nothing to do with studies about men preferring X trait for short-term relationships and Y for long-term.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 04:58 PM
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I disagree that all women are going to be attracted to the more aggressive “bad boy,” because many women desire exclusively long-term relationships and never short-term ones. I think we are talking past one another. I said in the disclaimer at the top of the OP that just because a woman is attracted to a man does not mean she will pursue him; sexual attraction is not the only factor in making decisions. A person may avoid eating ice cream because they want to be healthy. That is very different f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:22 PM
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No woman wants a ‘bad boy’ as a father. I addressed this in the disclaimer. in isolation, women still prefer toxic traits over good ones for short-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:19 PM
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Why is it that this trait makes a man more attractive for short-term relationships but less attractive for long-term relationships? As for the other study, I was more asking about your thoughts on how muscularity is more attractive for short-term flings but considered a bad trait for partners. It would seem that the reason muscular men are attractive is because they are perceived to be volatile and aggressive, no?
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 03:10 PM
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Well, I cannot find any studies that contradict it.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 03:07 PM
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Neither study said anything about men having different tastes for short and long-term relationships.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 03:07 PM
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I do not see any studies in the Wikipedia entry.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 03:01 PM
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What they found is that all the targets were considered unattractive (again, 2 to 2,5 average in 7 point scales), but highly aggressive men were not as unattactive for short term mating as low agression men, dspite both characteristics being unattractive. Granted, but the aggressive man was still ranked higher than the non-aggressive man. Also, fertile women ranked the non-traumatized aggressive man at 3.5, whilst the traumatized aggressive man was 2.5, and the rest lower still. Which frankly do…
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 04:07 AM
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I do not understand your comment at all, I'm sorry.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 04:03 AM
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As I said in my OP, people do not always pursue people they are attracted to. Long-term relationships carry considerations other than physical attraction, unlike short-term ones. Why is it that women have dual preferences but not men? There is no study indicating men prefer one trait for short-term but not for long-term. Sure, certain characteristics may fluctuate in importance depending on how serious the relationship is, but the traits themselves do not change. There is no trait, physical or p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 04:01 AM
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I mean duh, yes. Haven't you ever heard of the princess / whore dichotomy? Men will absolutely be attracted to women who are overtly sexual and use that same overt sexuality as a reason to reject them as a longterm mate. I have not seen any research about dual mating on the part of men, no. Anyway, most of that research is meaningless to anyone other than those who study large group behavior. We don't date groups, we date individuals. Of course, but we are attracted to certain traits more than o…
/r/ExRedPill14/06/21 03:55 AM
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Where they go wrong is claiming “all women love assholes”, when the truth is “women who love assholes love assholes I have linked studies indicating they do. celebrities would flaunt or invent criminal records instead of hide them Plenty of celebrities are popular with women because of their scandalous past. and jails and prisons would be more popular than bars and clubs Well, they don't let people just walk into prisons LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 12:25 AM
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The first study you quoted found that agressive men are unattractive for short term mating and even less attractive for long term mating I think you may have misread the study. On page 254, We analyzed the dependent variables “desirable as a short-term mate” for the single man with a 2 (trauma symptoms of Wilko) x 2 (appetitively aggressive experiences of Wilko) between-groups ANOVA. For the factor “appetitively aggressive experiences,” we obtained a significant main effect (F1,1208 = 8.67, p = …
/r/ExRedPill13/06/21 10:26 PM
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My original comment was my take on the Dark Triad studies. Essentially, correlations exist between these DT traits and other traits that are more intrinsically desirable like confidence, assertiveness, extraversion so on and so forth. Except that even in isolation, women find aggressive bad boys more attractive than stable men and women perceive attractive men as being bad boyfriends. Notice how there is no difference for men in terms of short vs long-term preference? The difference in aggressio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:36 PM
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That's hardly scientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:31 PM
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Men have a preference for DT women. I have seen no studies proving this. Well, female restlessness during ovulation makes perfect sense from an evolutionary point of view--in prehistory, women were the ones who would leave their communities to look for partners (someone had to, to avoid incest). It makes sense that "the familiar" would be less attractive during ovulation, and bolting urges would be stronger. It doesn't contradict what I said earlier--any "temptation" is just restlessness. Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:50 PM
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In this study, women who date nice guys become attracted to bad boys but not vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:43 PM
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Look at what kind of women are depicted in pornography. I don't watch porn, so I wouldn't know. Dark Triad studies are deeply unreliable (and have been replicated with men--the DT girls did well too), because one of the biggest indicators of DT is willingness to lie. The DT girls did not do nearly as well as DT men, not even close. Also, you are ignoring the other studies I have cited. Also, in this study women who date nice guys become tempted to cheat with bad boys during ovulation but not vic…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:41 PM
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Why would they find him less attractive to date but more attractive to have sex with? Why not be more attracted to him for both dating and sex? Not to mention I also linked the Dark Triad studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:34 PM
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They act like the casual sex market is the only market, and that it is totally separate from and unaffected by the ltr market. No, you are acting like that. In the OP, I outright explain that women do not necessarily pursue any man they are attracted to. The attraction is still there. Saying "a woman may choose not to date bad boys because they make bad boyfriends" is very different from saying she is not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:26 PM
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Long term relationships are predicated on stability, even above attractiveness. Short term are not. Well my post is about attractiveness. It is also clear that toxic traits are attractive in isolation as both these studies show.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:15 PM
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I'd argue that there's versions of "more attractive women" men would prefer for STR, but not LTR--they mostly have to do with dress. Men dating a cute modest sweetheart of a girl will still be tempted by a sexually aggressive "bad girl" type, but the men dating that girl will not be looking to cheat with the more reserved women. Are there any studies for this? Not to mention in this study, women found bad men more attractive regardless of their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:14 PM
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If women do not associate muscularity with being aggressive, why don't they prefer muscular men for long-term as well as short-term relationships? When I look at an attractive woman, I just think she is good-looking. I will always prefer a good-looking woman for any relationship (short-term or long-term) all else being equal. This is because I do not ascribe traits to women I find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:58 PM
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Because physique is the most fleeting characteristic. Further, the study you posted was not done in a vacuum--if women look at a ripped guy who reminds them of other ripped guys who've been "fun but dumb" or similar, they're going to associate him with that guy. Wait, so they would be associating ripped guys with those personality traits? Also, why does the same thing not happen with men? Why do men still prefer attractive women for short and long-term relationships? "Aggressive" doesn't mean "b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:57 PM
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If women do not associate muscularity with being aggressive, why don't they prefer muscular men for long-term as well as short-term relationships? When I look at an attractive woman, I just think she is good-looking. I will always prefer a good-looking woman for any relationship (short-term or long-term) all else being equal. This is because I do not ascribe traits to women I find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:50 PM
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If women do not associate muscularity with being aggressive, why don't they prefer muscular men for long-term as well as short-term relationships? When I look at an attractive woman, I just think she is good-looking. I will always prefer a good-looking woman for any relationship (short-term or long-term) all else being equal. This is because I do not ascribe traits to women I find attractive. This study outright shows that aggressive men were considered more attractive for short-term relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:49 PM
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This study outright shows that aggressive men were considered more attractive for short-term relationships but less for long-term relationships. It was assessing aggressivity in isolation. So if women were not attracted to bad boys, how could this be? I would also prefer a good personality over a bad one, but it would matter less for short-term than long-term relationships. I would never prefer a bad personality. That is not what the study showed for women; women actually preferred the aggressiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:48 PM
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This study outright shows that aggressive men were considered more attractive for short-term relationships but less for long-term relationships. It was assessing aggressivity in isolation. So if women were not attracted to bad boys, how could this be? I would also prefer a good personality over a bad one, but it would matter less for short-term than long-term relationships. I would never prefer a bad personality. That is not what the study showed for women; women actually preferred the aggressiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:48 PM
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This study outright shows that aggressive men were considered more attractive for short-term relationships but less for long-term relationships. It was assessing aggressivity in isolation. So if women were not attracted to bad boys, how could this be? I would also prefer a good personality over a bad one, but it would matter less for short-term than long-term relationships. I would never prefer a bad personality. That is not what the study showed for women; women actually preferred the aggressiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:47 PM
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If women do not associate muscularity with being aggressive, why don't they prefer muscular men for long-term as well as short-term relationships? When I look at an attractive woman, I just think she is good-looking. I will always prefer a good-looking woman for any relationship (short-term or long-term) all else being equal. This is because I do not ascribe traits to women I find attractive. This study outright shows that aggressive men were considered more attractive for short-term relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:20 PM
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Bad boys were hot in highschool You just proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:19 PM
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You don't think getting into fights is toxic? Then what on Earth is?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 04:07 PM
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ad hoc ergo propter hoc When did she do that? people who who sit around & read studies all-day are rarely hip to trends Would the studies not have established a causal link? abunch of armchair Redditors Hey pot, meet kettle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 04:00 PM
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I do think gender norms are inherently toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:57 PM
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I think gender norms are inherently toxic, yes. This is what I mean by toxic masculinity; norms that pressure men to act aggressively and tolerate uncomfortable situations in lieu of doing what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:57 PM
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Status can affect percieved attractiveness. I do not think Jonah Hill is going to be thought of as more attractive than the average ripped guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:55 PM
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It sounds like you're just making up excuses for why your opinion does not hold up; you are working backwards from your conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:54 PM
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The studies I linked demonstrated that smiling is unattractive and getting fighting scars is attractive. You are giving an explanation as to why women like bad boys, but you are not countering that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:49 PM
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So why are there no feminine sex symbols?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:48 PM
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or not men are viewed the same way by men when on BC (theyre not). When are men on BC? Also, how does this address anything I posted? How does this address the popularity of bad boys in popular culture? How does this address the appeal of toxic characteristics? It doesn't make sense not to take environmental factors into account because you cannot neatly separate these women from their experiences just to fit a preconceived notion. I never said I separated them from environmental factors. Not on…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:48 PM
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As I said, there are exceptions. I knew a highly-educated woman who worked as a librarian in my school. She had two degrees, both from elite schools, and was even a bit of a Star Trek Fan (she had a cutout of a character in her office). She apparently flirted with one of the students, a super-buff guy with several tattoos and who had sex with girls at frat parties. She was several years older than him and likely could have lost her job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:46 PM
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I mean, this is anecdotal. There are fat women with sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 02:39 PM
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By this logic, there would be no reason why muscular actors are more popular than most other actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 01:58 PM
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I addressed this in the OP. "Furthermore, I am not stating women will always or only pursue men with X, Y, and Z traits. In fact, I will describe how women may choose to avoid pursuing said men in spite of their attraction. It does not change the fact that they still feel said attraction; I may choose not to eat ice cream because of my health, but I still like ice cream."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 01:56 PM
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Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 02:51 AM
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Toxic traits are shown to be inherently attractive. I have linked examples in the OP. Ok, so how much of a majority or minority makes red pill “correct”? Do you think it is fine to say men as a whole think Margot Robbie is more attractive than Rebel Wison?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 01:28 AM
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Look at r/WhyWomenLiveLonger .. are all these men "alpha males"? That's just a blatantly misandric subreddit. Also, the vast majority of workplace accidents are men. The overwhelming majority of women are not 'aggressive, dominant, risk-taking, highly disagreeable, etc..' I make this point in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 01:25 AM
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I had not heard about that. Perhaps what I have described is more a Western concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 12:08 AM
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I linked studies in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 12:05 AM
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"Are there some straight women who maybe do not like bad boys? Sure, just as there are probably some straight men who find Rebel Wilson sexier than Margot Robbie. A woman who does not like alpha male bad boys is probably indifferent to muscularity, and as we have established most women are attracted to lean muscularity."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 12:03 AM
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I cannot imagine any hot woman struggling. If anything, they likely face getting harassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:40 PM
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Well, many of the studies indicated that women are attracted to the toxic traits themselves, and associate muscularity with said traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:39 PM
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I would guess that the percentage of muscular men who struggle with women is much less than men overall, and some of the research I linked has backed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:17 PM
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Is there evidence for any exceptions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:16 PM
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Are there some straight women who maybe do not like bad boys? Sure, just as there are probably some straight men who find Rebel Wilson sexier than Margot Robbie. A woman who does not like alpha male bad boys is probably indifferent to muscularity, and as we have established most women are attracted to lean muscularity. From the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:16 PM
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You are like a parody. Like, if I had to make fun of an incel who read Gavin McInnes, this is what I would write. I guess one never understands Poe's law until they have lived it. I am actually unsure if this is parodic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:13 PM
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women put up with deranged bad-boy instability for the few shreds of masculinity As I demonstrated in the OP, there is plenty of evidence that women find toxic traits to be attractive in themselves. They were attracted to scars from fights and were not attracted to agreeable men. Also, look at how well "negging" works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:11 PM
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As what ToughAnswers said, helpful is not sufficient. There are Ivy League alumni who struggle to find good jobs, but they are vastly underrepresented relative to the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:08 PM
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https://www.thethings.com/kpop-male-idols-most-impressive-physics/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:05 PM
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https://www.thethings.com/kpop-male-idols-most-impressive-physics/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:05 PM
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For every bad boy in some fictional story there's a nice, handsome gentlemanly guy too that appeals to the women who like that sort of guy He is almost invariably presented as this stable alternative to the sexier guy they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:04 PM
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I posit that musculature is attractive because of its association with masculinity and the corresponding traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:47 PM
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"As predicted, women rate muscular men as sexier, more physically dominant and volatile, and less committed to their mates than nonmuscular men."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:35 PM
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Well, you men complain loudly about women wanting to date men more attractive than themselves, and yet you are the same way. I am unsure how this is pertinent. Women perceive muscular men as less stable: "As predicted, women rate muscular men as sexier, more physically dominant and volatile, and less committed to their mates than nonmuscular men."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:34 PM
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Ever heard of femdom? That is not reflective of most men's taste. They're not. Women don't hang out at the Olympia to pick up men. This is like saying that most men do not attracted to movie stars because they aren't trying to ask out women in Hollywood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:33 PM
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