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Who is behind propping this guy up? I have not done a deep dive into his rhetoric, but every time I hear something he says, it's ridiculously oversimplified and out-of-touch. he still justifies gender norms such as men being providers and protectors for women and children "Provider" is one of the most weaponized words in the way society views men. It relies on men having to go out and make money, often by engaging in labor that destroys our bodies. It's understood that women don't owe the world …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 09:40 PM
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This is a stellar post that brilliantly lays out why not to always prioritize brevity over nuance. This sub exists in a gap between two frameworks that both have institutional power, established vocabularies, ready made audiences and decades of condensed messaging. This is spot-on. When other groups have a jump start on us and can consolidate multitudes of ideas into a few words because schemas have been implanted long ago, they don't have the burden of digging themselves out of a hole like we d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 09:31 AM
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Lastly, since it's a political forum, spreading the good ideas would be preferable over achieving a perfect paint seen by only 3 person, no ? False dilemma fallacy. It's not an either/or scenario. There can be in-depth posts and abbreviated posts that are still filled with insight. There's no need in prioritizing one over the other. The sub does just fine without catering to sound bites and shorter posts, so catering to people who don't want to read nuanced posts is not necessary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:51 AM
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Link me to anything you've ever written that has any depth. But I understand why my question-post pressed you so bad: you felt targeted. All words, no depth, no content and no complexity. No wonder you're so defensive You're the one who's throwing a tantrum because you're triggered by too many words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:27 AM
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Using multiple emojis definitely makes you look mature and not like an angsty edgelord. You're such a badass. I look forward to the coloring book level posts you contribute.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:25 AM
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Also having a virtual community that only works for those that "actually enjoy reading and can do so quickly" is quite exclusionary. Logical fallacy. Straw man argument(FInd your own TLDR to explain what this means) No one said to exclude people who hate reading in-depth posts, you're the one whining that people shouldn't post in-depth posts. It's you that's throwing a tantrum about not being catered to. No one else is. If said community is to be about men's issues, then it becomes flat out hypo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:08 AM
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I just got done with the angsty teen on the other subthread. And now I have to deal with your sterile pedantic "advice". I'm not giving you advice. I'd have to boil it down to less than fifty words for you to even read it. Also, an angsty teen would be more likely to be a twitchy edgelord who launches a campaign against reading long posts, so I'm the one who's dealing with an angsty teen now. Sorry my FOMO is too big to just disconnect mid-convo when anything is slightly inconvenient Sounds like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:54 AM
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What if some of the long posts steer toward rambling instead of "well-articulated mature dialogue", tho ?? As soon as I feel a post is rambling about nothing(with the exception of your current post) I just stop reading it and move-on with my day like a grown ass man. This strategy never fails The issue is that opened topics tend to not be re-open (not before sometime has passed) and the people that have contributed won't come back on the new iterations. So it divides the overall quality of convo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:34 AM
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Because some ideas require more than a tweet’s worth to express. Not everything can be reduced to a pithy soundbite, and our culture is worse off now because that has become the expectation Absolutely. Fully-formed arguments is how mature adults need to communicate. All the memespeak and dumbed-down rhetoric is rotting our entire culture. We're now even churning out some college students who can barely read. One of the reasons I started posting here is because not only are low-effort posts banne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 09:03 AM
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Thanks for the question. The Right proudly serves an agenda where you degrade the humanity of your opponents, thus, making intellectually-immature arguments about your opponent's body is applauded. Trump constantly makes derogatory comments about women(he calls them nasty, piggies etc) and he constantly berates short male politicians for their height. He always refers to short politicians as "little" as in Little Marco or "Liddle" Bob Corker etc. Men who shun this type of immaturity should natur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 10:02 PM
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All of this is true. Regarding the hypocrisy, that's what's so disappointing about this. Many of us have more empathy for groups we don't belong to because of the way we've been treated. This nonsense stereotype stating that all short men become bitter MAGA types is simply not true; Many of us learn how stereotypes, dismissive tones etc work because of how we're treated, which makes us want to oppose that type of behavior everywhere it happens. This alone makes us want to stay away from The Righ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 08:47 PM
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Take a look at this little convo I had, and how the woman doubled then tripled down that Oh No I Wasn't Mocking His Height! The absurdity of her argument! She blatantly mocks his height then immediately pivots to pretending she's giving a press conference for The National Highway Traffic Administration on the importance of proper vehicle restraints. She also does the "I was just pointing-out a short person is short." Ahhh yes, so shortness is just a random trait in society with no importance att…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 09:34 AM
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I wish I didn't need to add a disclaimer, but when I don't, the conversation gets bombarded with the exact straw man arguments I pointed-out in the disclaimer. It's the same misguided logic on an endless loop so I try to head it off at the pass, which at a bare minimum, makes them work a bit harder to come-up with excuses. This is a tried-and-true tactic for anyone who advocates for a cause that receives massive amounts of pushback. It's just an easy way to disarm them before they even start.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 09:15 AM
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What I'm merely proposing is the idea that you don't have to be inherently prejudical to engage in this behavior That's not necessarily true. The stereotype is flat-out prejudiced, and one of the best ways to end prejudice is not to spread it. You placing your childish tactic over the welfare of those affected by the prejudice shows at a bare minimum, a lack of respect for the group being targeted. If you want to argue semantics to try to find some wiggle room between "not respecting a group" an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 08:59 AM
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Thank you! The only thing that it is effective at is scaring-off potential(and even current) allies. There is zero evidence of this helping the situation they're supposedly trying to fix. I think he's caught up in internet brain rot mentality where forcing someone to get "in their feelings" is how you "win." This is an intellectually-immature way to look at things, and it's not really difficult to understand that this manner of attack is childish and unproductive. Greg Bovino didn't get removed …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 08:49 AM
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I'm in solid agreement with this! I think for many(if not most) of us, our initial goal was to work alongside other ideologies, not be in opposition to them, but we ended-up here after being discarded so many different ways. As it stands though, we can't even get our most simple requests honored. An example is we would like male body shaming to be scrutinized the same way body shaming women is scrutinized. Abandoning male body shaming as a form of camaraderie and as a show of power wouldn't cost…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 10:55 PM
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Great comment! I find the Right is strangely misandrist in it's own way and do nothing to bring major attention to serious issues affecting men/boys. And furthermore how the Right with how much of it has embraced the extremist MAGA agenda did everything to stigmatize and harm the concept of male advocacy.I believe this to be completely accurate. This is pinpoint accuracy! The Right offers a cartoonish caricature of masculinity that is so easy to label negatively and dismiss. The fact that any sh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 05:33 AM
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Nothing wrong with egalitarianism. There's already a subreddit for it That sub seems to be more strictly anti-feminist than all-out egalitarian though. The description also specifically says it "is not a liberal/leftist sub." I find it suspicious that they exclude The Left but not The Right. Still though, nothing wrong with the term egalitarianism, as long as the aim is to actually advocate for better treatment for all. Basically, if you avoid all names that sound like Civil Rights Movement spin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 07:52 PM
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Yes! In my long ass comment, I spoke of how using the word "rights" is going to cause more problems than its worth. Yes, men have a solid argument about rights in courtrooms, exclusion from certain employment fields etc., but there's enough exploitative history where other groups were blatantly excluded from rights, so using that term is not a good strategy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 05:40 AM
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I'm not new to the social justice arena so one thing I've learned is when naming a group, it's best not to give those who are going to challenge you an easy way to dismiss you; You want to make them have to work for it and build-up cognitive dissonance. If you use a name like "Men's Rights," which sounds similar to "Civil RIghts," "Women's Rights," etc, you're going to get dismissed immediately with the Fallacy Of Relative Privation, which is where they argue that since other groups had it worse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 05:30 AM
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That is very true. Ghislane was not just an associate of Epstein's either, she was second in command for the whole operation. The men who are named are wealthy and don't live their lives in isolation so at a bare minimum, most of them had women in their lives who knew exactly what was happening. For instance, Melania is an objectively-terrible person and we know for a fact that she has no issues ignoring all of the awful things her husband has done. In addition, she definitely had close ties wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 09:29 PM
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Most "great" historical figures have been men, true, but most have been very wealthy men. We seldom learn about the issues average men faced historically as a class, such as their disposability in wartime and in labor This is such a tremendously-important concept. The Apex Fallacy is constantly weaponized against men. Some are using The Epstein Files as evidence that everyday men are somehow just as culpable as billionaires in dodging accountability for child sex trafficking. Like I've said befo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 10:33 PM
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One of the main problems with diagnosing people as "insecure" 'lacking confidence" etc is how they'll put the victim in a Catch-22. As a short man, if you're laid back, not talkative etc, people will say you're insecure because you're not a whole man, but if you are outgoing and proactive, you're all of a sudden overcompensating because you're insecure. You get the same result regardless of your behavior. This thinking is reductive too because a person can possess more than one trait that can pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 10:59 PM
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I saw a comment today on Threads that said somewhere around 2/3 of cishet(hate that word) men are "unsafe." It had 916 likes. This is all some Apex Fallacy nonsense because to believe that regular guys have the same amount of power as coddled billionaires is delusional. The Epstein Files aren't full of plumbers and electricians who work at properties like Mar A Lago, the files are full of the people who live in places like Mar A Lago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 11:13 PM
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AOC confirmed this a few months ago. She said that tall guys who do horrible things like Andrew Tate(She seriously used him as an example) are not tall, they're "spiritually short." So, when tall men do evil things, they're equated with shortness and short men just have to deal with the fallout. She also had the audacity to label this as an apology for earlier hateful comments about short men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 07:56 AM
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Damn straight! If height is such a petty topic, why are they using it as a weapon? If it's so meaningless in society, why are they obsessed with it? (and before those doofuses invade again, NO...being against height-shaming does not mean you're Pro-ICE. If you're not intelligent enough to see how that's flawed logic, you don't deserve to comment on the issue) And yes, that's what we're worried about. Many short men have had their lives hindered in so many ways for being short(and it becomes wors…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 07:41 AM
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That was seriously the crown jewel of all absurd takes in this thread. They're out protesting, putting themselves in harm's way, all to "Own niche groups of the libs" even though they are "The Libs" too, and the bonus is that this will also stop ICE in its tracks. I don't know where we keep finding these people, but we need to get our shipping department to refuse all future deliveries from that vendor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 08:16 AM
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I've been saying this literally since I was a kid and the fact that so many people don't get the cognitive dissonance is exactly why so many young men are turning right because you can't have two narratives that contradict each other at the same time This is exactly what they refuse to listen to. We're actually trying to help them but they don't want to shake-up their cush, self-serving echo chamber. I'm not even young and from an early age, I saw how isolating it was to be a man who had any low…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 07:46 AM
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When a person is good, people don't say "surprising for a short guy". Nice Just World Fallacy. Negative stereotypes are created without the consent of people in the stereotyped group(in this case, short men) so we can't trust that people who believe these bigoted stereotypes will only use them fairly. The stereotypes weren't fair to begin with, so this is a silly take. Stereotypes are created from hatred and you can't divorce them from their origins. And your evidence I never heard Micheal J Fox…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 07:18 AM
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Everything you're saying here is completely accurate and you've mentioned some things we really need to wrestle with if we ever want to truly offset the epidemic of snarkish troll behavior taking precedent over productive discourse. This is the third administration in a row(Trump-Biden-Trump) where at-least one side's voters is heavily focused on discussing adult diapers because we've had old men as POTUS. We're approaching a decade of constant bathroom humor. Yes, I want younger, fresher minds …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 05:50 AM
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At that point, they'll pivot to saying he's "spiritually short" like AOC said to do. So, short men will still be the ones attacked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 01:36 AM
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Mock their insecurities. You have zero clue that Bovino is insecure about his height. The assumption comes from the hateful stereotype that all short men are insecure about their height and are prone to acting their anger out on others. The fact that you have no issues spreading this stereotype tells us all we need to know about where your lack of comprehending this issue comes from. You can't argue that this doesn't affect all short men, you can only argue that you don't care about the collater…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 01:34 AM
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The "We're going low because MAGA does" excuse is one of the most idiotic things that keeps getting repeated as fact because it always includes The False Dilemma that you can EITHER short-shame OR be too nice to Nazis. You can still go low without body shaming discarded groups of men and fragmenting the base in the process. I have no idea why so many of you want to be exactly like MAGA. What is so appealing about that? Don't respond with nonsense about how short-shaming has some tangible benefit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 01:19 AM
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You know there’s short men out there who brush off height insults? Almost every short man here does it for the most part. If you don't, you'll get labeled as "insecure about your height." You tend to "brush things off" to get people to shut-up about your height. Granted that you have the attitude you do, I can fully see why short men wouldn't want to discuss this topic with you and would opt to brush things off. Furthermore, short men are gaslit into denying their own bad treatment. Many of them…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 12:59 AM
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Smoking gun evidence! He's either a hypocrite or projecting. If he's projecting because he has these issues, the sad thing is we would actually have his back on what he's going through. I'm in a happy LTR and still empathize with my brothers who struggle in the dating world. The lack of empathy exhibit edby people who request empathy for themselves shows how our world became so polarized. Everything he has done is evidence as to why kicking your allies while they're down doesn't help The Left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 12:43 AM
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It's obvious you've done zero seconds of research on this subject, I'm not your research assistant, and you won't read anything I direct you to anyway, but if you ever get over this insufferable, angry, blowhard act, take some time to look-up height(heightism) studies regarding suicide rates, wage/promotion gaps, implicit bias about tallness vs shortness, etc. It's not that hard to find.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:26 PM
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It's so sad that this absurd logic is so common. As I said in my comment, if he does behave as if he heard nothing, the goal posts move to "He's pretending he didn't hear anything to hide how mad he is." The fact that they've constructed a rhetorical "can't lose" scenario out of flawed logic proves that they can never illustrate that this tactic works. Their conclusions can't be trusted because the goal posts are always moving in the most convenient direction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:03 PM
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You're the only person talking about sex in here, while lashing-out aggressively in every comment. It's obvious your needs aren't being met. This internet badass act isn't going to meet those needs though, buddy. I'm sorry life turned out this way for you. What can I do to help you get on the right path?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:52 PM
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If he doesn't react, people will say "he's not reacting because he's hiding how mad he is." If he does react, they'll say exactly what you're saying. You can't claim victory when you have a way to weasel perceived victory out of two opposite reactions. Furthermore, when your argument starts with such a prejudiced Catch-22, you need a new argument. Either way yall are sure reacting You're reacting to everyone's reaction. If your logic was the only type of logic, no one would ever discuss anything…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:45 PM
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so it’s funny to see them fall for the rage bait and expose their fragility. Show evidence of this happening. Like I've said elsewhere in this thread, there is no evidence of these results. The assumed results are only believed to exist because of negative stereotypes about short men constantly throwing a tantrum about their height. This stereotype isn't just weaponized against ICE, it's used against regular guys trying to get a promotion, etc. There’s women who get followed home and raped every…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:41 PM
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Fighting the good fight by doing something that is at best not meaningfully helpful This sheds light on a crucial flaw in this strategy. They have no evidence that this works. Yes, it gets those on The Left who love body shaming men all whooped-up, but it certainly doesn't signify that The Left wants to expand the base. The whole notion is based on a negative stereotype that short men are rageaholics who just sit around all day pouting about our height and look for ways to enact evil upon societ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 10:05 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if her dumb ass joins in on the short-shaming, proving again that she has learned nothing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 09:40 PM
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There you go! Emojis and memes are more on your level than complete statements
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 09:35 PM
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Ain't or can't? It's not even that many words
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 09:33 PM
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My argument is that I don’t really give a fuck about body shaming, bud! So you support protesting ICE because you have empathy for the groups being targeted, and in your infinite wisdom, you think proudly boasting a lack of empathy for another group is the best way to show empathetic resistance to tyranny. As a bonus, the groups ICE is targeting tend to be shorter than the general population, thus, you're simultaneously showing both empathy and a lack of it for ICE's victims at the same time. Gr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 09:19 PM
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Is it hard and badass to want leftists to support people yelling at fascists? This is a straw man argument and possibly a reading comprehension failure. It relies on a mischaracterization that anyone is saying not to yell at fascists. Literally no one is saying that. You're chasing ghosts because you can't address criticisms directly. This is a hallmark of the fake tough guy persona you've embraced. All of you are like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 08:56 PM
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I'm not a think-skinned little bitch This is going to be fun If there was a guy out there yelling at a female ICE agent and body shaming her in some way, I’d feel the same exact way about this. I tried to check your post history to see examples of you body shaming women in left-wing spaces, but your post history is private<===Remember this for later I’d just be happy somebody is out there fighting the good fight "The good fight" includes weaponizing stereotypes against groups of people society d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 08:50 PM
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You're committing a False Dilemma Fallacy. You can be worried about "everything that's going-on" AND object to abandoning potential(and actual) allies by attacking a physical characteristic that society has a lot of vitriol toward, especially when many of your allies have suffered negative ramifications for possessing this characteristic. It's not an Either/Or situation where you have to either reject ICE OR be against hypocritically body shaming short men while rallying for acceptance for other…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 08:36 PM
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"I'm ignorant of a common social narrative so you should stop learning and writing about it" is one of the most ridiculous stances anyone will read today, although given that this is your takeaway from this thread, no one is shocked that you don't pick-up on social narratives as easily as others do. If you disagree, you should probably just change your consumption of replies to your comments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 08:12 PM
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Evo psych is one of the worst forms of pseudoscience to ever infest academia. It's not classified as a hard science(or even a soft science like Psychology), it's considered a philosophy, but it uses scientific terms to try to sound legitimate. Its charlatans always start at the conclusion they want to arrive at, then they cherry-pick facts from actual scientific studies that sound like they affirm the pre-chosen conclusion, then they make unprovable(and more importantly, unfalsifiable) claims ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 05:36 AM
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Definitely legalization/decriminalization because even though I wouldn't be a consumer or a supplier in this business, I don't believe in governments regulating sexual purity. I would also like to see anti-monopolization efforts at the federal level that prevent governors etc from rigging the market in their favor by only offering contracts to their friends, donors, etc. This happens a lot with cannabis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 05:12 AM
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Did she really defend herself saying that she was referring to "spiritual height" ? I just read about it and im shocked, I think this is one of the dumbest shit ive heard in ages. Wild, right? It would've been comical if it wasn't so discriminatory and disrespectful toward a group of discarded men. It was extra crazy that her "spiritual height" theory equates sexual abusers/sex traffickers like Andrew Tate with short men even though Tate is tall. It seriously had to rank in the upper tier of wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 04:42 AM
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The problem is often see with Intersectional feminism, is that it recognises the various interscetions of race, culture, economics, etc as they pertain to women, whilst still seeing men as a patriarchal monolith This is basically what is happening with the AOC heightshaming situation. Short men are being shamed based-on a stereotype that they're angry, dangerous, manchildren who need to be put in their place, but AOC, a large amount of people in her district, and most of the men ICE is snatching…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 03:32 AM
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Thank you for this well-reasoned response! Studying and looking for "social tipping points" would be a great way to find objective ground between doomeristic defeatism and naive optimism. The wildfire analogy is perfect because controlled burns help the ecosystem and prevent wildfires, while wildfires just destroy everything. Great addition to the discussion!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:31 PM
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when you realize that by shaming people for genetics you are playing into nazi and right wing rhetoric as they are the ones who say that people should be treated differently because of there genetics. Absolutely this! It is the pinnacle of unproductive to shame Nazis while simultaneously pushing ideology that sounds eerily close to eugenics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:24 PM
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Exactly! The aim is not to win a cherry-picking contest, it's to remember that all of the cherries are in the same bucket. It also needs to be said that of course there are more men in ICE being that men overwhelmingly do most of the dangerous jobs in society(men account for over 90% of workplace deaths) so of course there will be more men than women in ICE. Any cherry-picking has to consider that there are many women who agree with what ICE is doing, but don't want to pursue that line of work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:21 PM
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I saw a couple of videos turning the recent incident into how Men are feeling threatened and challenged and hence he did it without giving any evidence whatsoever This is the same logic they were using to justify AOC revealing her hatred for short men. When her comments received criticism, they were saying "You don't fight Nazis by being nice to them"(which was a straw man argument when no one was saying to be nice to them) and they all had grandiose visions of how openly degrading short men wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 08:54 PM
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A lot of people won't understand why this is necessary but you have to at-least limit dating posts or they will absolutely take over the entire sub. Allowing dating talk to take over will attract the worst-of-the worst from the right-wing manosphere and the sub will lose all semblance of left wing values. So many(if not almost all) male groups are centered around dating talk and it bleeds into other groups and completely destroys any semblance of non-dating talk. Yes, dating is a huge struggle f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 10:42 PM
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Thank you for the clarification. I think that's exactly what happened to my post. It was a long post that didn't get approved for several days, then, an extremely brief post about the topic eventually got approved. I know you guys are super busy too so my long ass ramblings can be quite the chore. Being a mod is a thankless job, so I appreciate the effort.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 02:38 AM
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I’m seeing a definite shift in queer and woke groups. People are noticing the patterns more and more I've seen a bit of evidence to suggest this as well. I don't know on what scale it will help, but I have come across some more nuanced discussions by members of those communities. Regarding the short man topic, some of the most compelling stories are from ftm trans men who transitioned from average height women to short men. They often discover that being a short male is no picnic and being that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 10:06 PM
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Incorrect. "Everyone agrees Stephen Miller is a dumpster bag of worthlessness" is a thick layer of smoke toward Miller. The fact that you fail to recognize this makes me wonder what type of smoke is coming out of that pipe you're smoking You should probably sit this one out, Champ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 09:42 PM
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The post is about stephen miller - a literal white supremacist all but confirmed to be our shadow president, not trump. Incorrect. This post is about the hypocrisy revealed by people who come from an ideology of "acceptance" that is supposedly against body shaming, but body shames demographics that their allies belong to. Also, literally everyone here agrees that Stephen Miller is an evil dumpster bag of worthlessness. But a post about an old dig a female politician said about a nazi being short…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 09:26 PM
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I agree with much of what you said, except your classification that I'm "alarmed" by what's happening. First, framing the discussion in a way where assumed "alarm" by the targets of this rhetoric is the real issue instead of focusing on the perpetrators is in essence, blame-shifting. The anti short man rhetoric has been par for the course forever on The Left(and of course The Right), so I'm not alarmed, I'm weary of the same-old, same-old from groups who are supposed to be allies, which makes it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 08:00 PM
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I know how the political spectrum works. I never used the word "leftist," I used the term "The Left," which is usually used to encompass Democrats(being that this is a US-related post), liberals, progressives, Dem Socialists, and points left. I also use the term "corpo Dems," and even they would be relevant to this discussion because common usage of "The Left" encompasses anyone connected to Democrat-esque ideology. I get it, "leftist," "left-wing," and other terms have different origins and mea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:38 PM
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This thread is about a group of MEN who have a disproportionate suicide rate, are paid/promoted less on average, subject to general scorn, ridicule, and mockery throughout society and in Hollywood, have stereotypes applied that make society believe they're untrustworthy, angry psychopaths who aren't "real men," are in a Catch-22 where if they're quiet and laid back they're labeled as "lacking confidence" and if they are confident or outgoing, they're labeled as "overcompensating," politicians on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:21 PM
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That's valid, but are Dem politicians doing that or are you talking about random people etc? That would definitely be mocking her appearance, but lip fillers are something you choose, while a man's height isn't. I know the counterargument is always "men force women to follow beauty standards," but once again, following those standards is still a choice, especially someone like Noem who markets herself as a gun toting American badass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:06 PM
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He seemingly has a vested interest in insulting physical characteristics that goes beyond the scope of this discussion. Apparently, he thinks this is the only way to criticize others. I'd be interested in seeing what he'd have to say about MTG, Candace Owens, Clarence Thomas, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 12:06 PM
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This entire sub is full of “””lefties””” trying real hard to find ways to defend Nazis. Every time I see this sub these days ya’ll are bemoaning the mean things said about Trump admin goons. Link some examples. This thread doesn't count because no one's defending Stephen Miller. You know this because it has been explained numerous times that it's about how it affects other potential allies/voters. This is not debatable. As of now, you have zero examples. No one believes you guys are on the left.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 11:55 AM
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You're making a straw man argument. Literally no one is talking about Stephen Miller's feelings other than you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 11:46 AM
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This is exactly it! In one of my other comments, I was speaking about the collateral damage it causes to all people who possess a characteristic when you insult one person from that group. When AOC issued her "apology," she not only insulted everyone's intelligence with her "Andrew Tate is tall, but he's spiritually short" nonsense, but she also readily admitted that she equates character with height. She also tried to pacify short men by referring to us as "short kings," which is a term most of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 10:53 AM
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Yes. It is socially acceptable to body shame men for numerous traits. The only bodyshaming a right-wing woman from a DEM politician in recent memory was Jasmine Crockett's "bleache blonde, bad built, butch body" crack at MTG. That's far more mild than what AOC said because MTG chooses to dye her hair and workout to gain that body type, while a short man didn't choose his height. Also, Crockett said that in response to MTG criticizing her eyelashes, hair, and fingernails. My point is the only rec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 10:37 AM
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You're not comprehending the issue, at-all. Miller isn't even short. Her comments don't even pertain to him or the suspected insecurity involved. The negative stereotype that short men are insecure psychopaths affects actual short men, the overwhelming majority of which aren't Nazis. This stereotype has real life career and social consequences, it's not just about someone "feeling insecure about their height," it's about being unfairly perceived in a way that can have severe ramifications. Hatef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 09:41 AM
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Seriously, you'd think they'd eventually realize that maybe listening to some new narratives might be necessary, especially since they've lost so much of the working class after being the party of unions for so long. Men are an enormous part of the union and blue collar voter base, so it's mathematically idiotic not to listen to us more. However, apparently, they want to continue to listen to people who know how to be mean girls on Instagram instead of expanding the base. I guess the donor check…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 08:38 AM
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That's exactly the rationale they try to use, but the problem with that is by criticizing men who don't meet the standards of what is viewed as macho, they're upholding the same macho standards that they're supposedly trying to eliminate, and when they're going after immutable characteristics like height, they're not only slandering men for things they can't control, but also being intentionally transparent by showing they actually agree with those who push macho narratives, especially when it b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 08:22 AM
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Funnily enough, I had the same thing happen on a post I wrote when AOC was heightshaming men. I busted my ass writing that post too, so it was frustrating. I had to repurpose it and publish it elsewhere. However, they eventually approved another post about the AOC topic, so it still got discussed, and they published this one really quickly, so maybe rejections are sort of random. You're right though, it sucks when your political "allies" already hate you then an even more limited subset of your …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:13 AM
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I didn't say it needed to be discussed, I said not to label the article a hostile feminist act based on the snippet that was supplied, when the language shows that it's not the only topic discussed. Online male spaces tend to cater to the most extreme viewpoints in every situation, which makes the communities look ridiculous, squashes critical thinking, and turns what could be good communities into blackpill-sounding cesspools, and being that many threads here sound more right-wing than left-win…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 02:25 AM
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This is an extremely valid observation. The fact that the provided paragraph starts with "it ALSO wreaked havoc on the dating scene" indicates that there was discussion about other ill effects too, so we can't conclude that women having dating issues was propped-up as the most important part of the war. OP has an intimate connection to the war's social narrative so I'm not disputing his opinion at-all, especially since priorities are often reversed in the "disposability of men" narrative, I'm ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 10:01 PM
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This is the absolute truth. If this wasn't going to cause collateral damage, the stereotype that is being weaponized("short men are always angry about their height") wouldn't even exist to begin with. You can't instantaneously weaponize a stereotype that isn't already in use. The roots of this pseudo-scientific stereotype go back to at-least the early 1900s, so it was affecting short men far before Stephen Miller even existed, and using it in politics will cause massive amounts of collateral dam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/25 11:39 PM
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Thank you! The whole reason The Left prides itself on refraining from prejudicial rhetoric is to stop collateral damage that leads to negative outcomes for groups. However, when they conveniently reserve a few groups that they can degrade at-will, it seems more like a "mask-off" moment than a minor hypocrisy with no bad outcomes for the targeted group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/25 11:32 PM
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It would be unbearable. Also. I don't know if you've seen this trend, but they actually keep trying to classify him as shorter than he actually is. He's probably not quite as tall as he was when younger, but they're borderline labeling him a short man now, which is absurd. They just bend reality however they see fit so they can beat up on their favorite targets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/25 11:20 PM
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Absolutely! First, I'll get the obligatory mention out of the way that it's easier, cheaper, less dangerous to get your breast sized altered than it is your height, but on The Left, going after women in this way would be absolute political suicide. Then, you have those of us who would prefer body shaming not be a political strategy to begin with, and we're left without any side that has our back. The Left wonders why they lost so many men, but they won't listen to any of us who can tell them exa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 10:24 PM
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This is precisely the issue! The stereotype doesn't just affect Stephen Miller(especially since he's not actually short) because it proliferates the notion that a short man has no value, which is based on the assumption that all he does day-in and day-out is lament his height, and it doesn't stop there because they associate his evil actions directly with his height. Not only are we perpetual whiners to them, but our mere existence is dangerous. We're both bullies and crybabies simultaneously. T…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 10:11 PM
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I'm so happy you guys are discussing this. I've been a hardcore supporter of AOC since the beginning and no matter what I agree with her on in the future, I'll always know how she views men who look like me. I'm a writer and have been trying to craft narratives to combat the current shitshow and AOC's comments take the wind out of my sails. One of my favorite left-wing podcasts "I've Had It"(Jennifer Welch/Angie Sullivan) was also dragging short men in their podcast today. The goober who runs Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 10:04 PM
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