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| 1 | Would You Date A Woman With The Following Qualities?Yes: Different race, churchgoer, lives 1,000 miles away, really talkative or really quiet, waiting till marriage to have sex, stay at home mom, lives with her parents, in a sorority (as an alumnus I'm too old for college girls), dislikes video games (depending on how judgmental she is about me occasionally enjoying them), No: Different religion(different denomination is fine, but needs to be Christian), Smokes (unless it is rarely and outside), asexual, does OF, is taller (if it's a noticeable d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 09:40 PM |
| 5 | Q4M: if women don't respond well to men being vulnerable, why would we push so hard for it? What do we have to gain from lying?It's just virtue signaling. We live in a society that over-glorifies "vulnerability," constantly dwelling on your trauma and pain, and being emotionally expressive, as signs of a healthy person so a lot of women are going to say they want this even if deep down they find it unattractive. But it's not like an attraction to toughness as a masculine trait just disappeared from the gene pool because of a few decades of therapy speak. On the flip-side, I'm sure there are men who exaggerate how attrac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/25 01:34 PM |
| 5 | It's not mysogynist for guys to tell their gf not to wear revealing clothes or not being comfortable with her going to clubs with her girlfriends.Guys can say what they want, but going into a relationship with the idea that someone is going to change for you is generally a waste of everyone's time, regardless of what you want changed. Accepting your girlfriend is going to wear revealing clothing is the cost of having a secular girlfriend. You can get a more traditional girl-friend with counter cultural views on modesty, but then she'll most likely want you to be religious and traditional as well. Many of you seem set on finding women with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/25 06:53 PM |
| – | Napoleon complex would never slide if it was directed towards womenI agree that size-shaming men by associating shortness or small genital size with negative personality traits is very wrong and far too accepted by mainstream society. However, as someone who is 5' 5.5'' I've never personally been bullied over my height, nor have I have ever come across a dating profile bullying short people in my years of online dating across several platforms. I think some guys are making it far worse for themselves by training their internet algorithms to give them anti-short… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/25 03:04 PM |
| 1 | Masculinity is just an outright lie."Me personally, I would take the five extra years of life and the faster development as a child and see no downside." Ok, you wish you were born a woman. So? I'd take being born to the top 1%, but we don't get to choose these things. Seems kind of pathetic to obsess on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/25 01:23 PM |
| 6 | We should stop using anecdotal “just look around” arguments to combat current dataGenerally, they're not combatting "data" with that claim, they're combatting internet / manosphere urban legends. I rarely see any data from the incel / red pill crowd here, it's just "We know (insert wild unquantified generalization about women), so blah, blah...or "Why is that women [ insert misogynistic unquantified generalization about women]" Etc... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/25 10:08 PM |
| 2 | Why do age gap preferences in men and women differ so much?Maybe just biological programming. While fertility drops in both men and women, it drops sooner and faster in women. So if attraction is geared toward reproduction, it'd make sense that men would place a higher premium on youth than what women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/25 12:34 AM |
| 19 | Nice guys actually do talk to women as people, but women then treat them as "one of the girls"The problem with "nice guys" is that they seem to confuse extreme passivity and indirectness ("eventually something more might grow out of it,") with niceness or respect for women, so when they discover that doesn't work, they think they've discovered respect / niceness doesn't work. There's nothing wrong with flirting with someone you're interested in and/or directly asking them out. This is in fact MORE respectful than hiding your true feelings and intentions and hoping the universe puts you t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/25 10:22 PM |
| 3 | Women's advice to men here is to keep them guessing, single, guilt tripped until they're so old they'll get creepshamed anywayI've never had the nerve to cold-approach women for romantic purposes regardless of whether they'd find it socially acceptable. I suspsect this is true of the vast majority of men who complain about women not wanting it, they just can't admit this about this about themselves so they blame it on women. Also, men who have the confidence to do cold approaches with any success would likely also have the ability to build larger friend networks and social networks which have a far better chance of suc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/25 10:54 PM |
| – | Females, you're not single because a lack of quality men. Its because you're not pretty enough to get a rich one.Everyone who is single and doesn't want to be is in that situation because they don't want the people that want them and the people they do want don't want them back. Men as the pursuers are constantly reminded of the latter half of this equation, but are rarely going to think about the first half of the equation since they have little to no attempted interaction with women they wouldn't be interested in. Women as the pursued must reject the advances of men they don't want, so they're regularly … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/25 01:15 AM |
| – | A violent felon has a greater chance of having a girlfriend while incarcerated, than a autistic man who never hurt a flyTo most people that everyone wants someone they're attracted to is such an obvious truth, they're not going to feel it's dishonest to omit it. If I say "I'm hungry and would love to have filling meal right now," am I lying because I didn't say "and I'd love for the meal to not taste awful to me." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/25 04:50 PM |
| 1 | If "an increasing percentage of women are going for a shrinking percentage of men" is not true, the standard redpill model is not trueAs I recall the 80/20 myth was largely based on a study that actually proved much the opposite if anyone bothered to read it carefully. It's likely true that women are not as generous in rating men's looks as men are in rating women's looks but this could result in them on average rating their partners as less attractive than men rate their partners, instead of resulting in them being pickier about their mating choice. But 80/20 is a very comforting narrative for incels and incel-adjacent people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/25 06:23 PM |
| 4 | Women on this sub make it sound like they're single because they're unwilling to compromise on being in a great relationship, but in reality they're single because most men don't want themIt's a truism that if you're single and you don't want to be, that you haven't currently found someone you like who also likes you. Everything else you deduce from that truism ("I'm trash" and "no one could ever want me"...) about personal worth and identity is an irrational depressive negative thought spiral. These are subjective inherently unprovable statements, but you've probably bought into some sort of incel pseudo-science that because they're harsh statements they must therefore be harsh … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/25 01:59 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone else found that Right Wing Man/Left Wing Woman pairings seem more common than the reverse?Well yeah polls and election results have long shown that there are more conservative men than conservative women, and more liberal women than liberal men. So, of course, the pairings reflect this. Tomorrow's PPD observation: "Has anyone found that tall man / short woman pairings seem more common than the reverse?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/25 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Women's attraction is relative, Men's attraction is absolute.I can't speak for all men, but I know I have types I'm attracted to that are not particularly related to any universal objective attractiveness standards. I'll agree with more objective standards on the extreme end of unattractiveness, but a woman could be a literal supermodel and I won't feel attracted to her if she isn't my type, and there are relatively average looking women that I'll feel very strongly attracted to when they are my type. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/25 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family"Yeah, depends on whether you're comparing getting pregnant to getting shot or to not getting shot. If you're comparing it to not getting shot the odds would match Russian roulette at about 35. According to one study there's a gradual but steady decline from 90% odds of getting a child to 75% odds 32 to 37. Then the decline doubles pace from 37 to 41 going from 75% to 50%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 04:08 AM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family"Accepting hard truths about biological time lines in order to make calm clear headed decisions with full knowledge of the opportunity costs and tradeoffs of your decisions is wise. Letting fear drive you to emotion based decisions that actually make the thing you fear more likely is another thing entirely. Knowledge of a limited time frame should have led to NOT waste time on those guys. The fact ir did the opposite seems more indicative of low self esteem than anything, but fortunately you're s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 03:45 AM |
| 1 | CMV: It's okay for an autistic person to not want to date other autistic people, etc etc.The answer to all "is it okay to have x preference" discussions is "yes, but you also have to accept that people are free to reject you as well so the higher your standards the greater the chance you have of being alone." There's no "should" in dating preferences or obligation to be fair as some people pill people seem to think. You just have to be willing to be clear headed and willing to accept the consequences of any dating standards you choose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/24 09:38 PM |
| – | The problem is not women caring about looks, it’s them pretending not to.Yeah I actually kind of agree with that, I just think the pill spectrum makes too big of a deal about it. I think the vast majority of well adjusted men pick up on this pretty early in their lives and learn to shrug it off. For well adjusted guys this observation is worth a stand-up comedy bit at most. But for people on the pill spectrum it's some great societal deception and betrayal. This is hard to take seriously, because the messaging that women care about looks is very strong both from wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/24 01:31 PM |
| 2 | Is it really easier to find romantic relationships as a straight woman?It may be easier for a woman to get sex, but there will always be exactly as many men in monogamous straight relationships as there are women in such relationships. It's literally logically impossible for one gender to have more of such relationships than the other gender. it's an obvious point that shouldn't need to be said, but you never know in these parts of the internet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/24 04:05 AM |
| 4 | Women justify their biases against men all the time, but men are condemned for doing the sameIt's only mostly hypothetical because I try to avoid putting myself in situations where I'd be alone walking on the dark. I take that precaution after having been physically attacked and mugged in college. The fear and risk is very real. When people hear what happened they'll correctly assume that the perps were male because that's the far likelier scenario. Where I'd say discourse about fearing violence has an unfair bias is in talking like only women have grounds to be afraid or take safety pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/24 10:43 AM |
| 9 | Women justify their biases against men all the time, but men are condemned for doing the sameGuys whining about how it's not fair they're perceived as more dangerous is one of the more hilarious parts of the whole Men's Right's/RP movements. I'm a man, and I'd be much more afraid of encountering men while walking alone in the dark than of encountering women in such situations. Anyone, regardless of genders is more of afraid, because men pose the greater risk as surely as Pitbull's pose a greater risk than golden retrievers. I get that it goes against feminist dogma to admit men and wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/24 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Men of this sub, do you believe that most men have practically no standards?No, it's absurd and the fact you hear it sometimes outside incel / red pill circles, just means those ideas have seeped out into mainstream circles unfortunately. Men definitely standards when it comes to physical attractiveness, possibly even more so than woman. Most also have standards for personality, though those might get sacrificed if the lust is strong enough. Men do differ from women in generally not caring as much about career status or how much money their partner makes. If anything th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 09:18 PM |
| – | Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable?It depends on what's meant by the term "being settled for." If it a relationship where's there's no romantic or sexual excitement about each other, then no that's not usually unavoidable. If it means recognizing that they're not going to get going get a man that's the most attractive in the world + the best personality + the best career + sharing all their interests, and that they're going to have to accept imperfections and tradeoffs, then yes being settled for (and settling yourself) is unavoi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/24 06:59 PM |
| – | Guys spend way more money on dating, get wayyy less than women"Why are there no good traditional women who like to go on adventure across the world traveling or being a housewife." There are tens of millions of traditional women. I think the vast majority are devoutly religious though. That seems to be one of the problems for TRP. The guys want the kind of women that are found only among the devoutly religious, while themselves holding to a very atheistic-materialistic view of human relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/24 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Female intra-sexual competition on display and the misunderstanding of what men find attractiveYeah, not what the word "truism" means, but the person you're responding to apparently doesn't know what it means either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/24 05:39 PM |
| 5 | When dating, why do people claim to speak a foreign language?LOL. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/24 05:05 PM |
| 18 | Female intra-sexual competition on display and the misunderstanding of what men find attractiveThe goal of Sameera's tweet had nothing to do with "intrasexual competition," and everything to do with building social media clout. The thought process isn't "If I show this video, I bet a bunch will start dating Lebanese women and our dating prospects will be improved." It's more like: "This is a controversial take that will get a bunch of views and interaction." Some of you probably think reality TV is real too! It seems the tweet was pretty successful to it real goal. Though she may have bee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/24 04:39 PM |
| 5 | When dating, why do people claim to speak a foreign language?"I am not talking about having an accent. I am talking about writing clearly and without mistakes, mastering the grammar, possessing a rich vocabulary." That's way above the bar for being able to claim to "speak" a language, as ordinary people do not even necessarily know their native language to that extent. Language ability is a continuous spectrum from 0 ability to perfect fluency, and deciding what point along the spectrum constitutes being able to "speak the language" or knowing it drawing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/24 04:41 AM |
| 1 | Looking at "Simon biles dilemma" should be enough for men to know the main problem in datingI don't know anything about these people are the incident, but based on what you describe you're completely missing the point in thinking it's about gender or even whether he was technically right. In polite society you flatter other people while being modest about your own impressiveness. People don't find the idea of a man being the prize distasteful, they distasteful for a man or woman to say it about themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/24 04:23 AM |
| 2 | Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives?A lot of the statistics floating around are exaggerated, out-of-date, or made up and paint a more dire picture of marriage than is actually accurate. One of the least rational things a person can do is base their life choices off of general population statistics. It sounds smart because you're talking about numbers and data, but in reality it's hardly smarter than basing your life off of the horoscope. That's because no one individual situation is likely to be the statistical average. Imagine so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/23 08:59 PM |
| 24 | Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives?Speaking as a Trad Con. here. TRP and social conservatives fall into the politics make strange bed fellows category. We are deeply and diametrically opposed to each other's most core philosophical tenets. TRPers are anti-marriage and embrace a nihilistic biological determinism. Trad Con. philosophy is rooted in a traditional religious worldview and views marrying as one of the highest and most noble purposes nearly everyone should pursue. But both groups dissent from the overwhelming progressive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 08:55 PM |
| 3 | "Ugly" doesn't actually refer to anyone other than feminine/androgynous menWell yeah, I guess if a guy literally looks like a woman, then by definition straight women wouldn't be attracted to him. This applies to very few men though, and it's mostly men who choose to look that way. There's not a bunch of men that would still look like women with a military haircut and masculine clothing choices. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/23 03:53 PM |
| – | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?Those "guys" would be the men who you just a minute ago claimed needed to be motivated to raise their standards by being told that others will view them as cucks and losers. All I did was accept your own description of these guys. It's kind of hilarious though that you're all about making assumptions about millions of step-dads as "low value" men with "no options," but now apparently accusations and assumptions are a bad thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 09:02 PM |
| – | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?So the guys who watch this content are so devoid of the capacity for rational decision making that they cannot even be taught to rationally evaluate the unique pros and cons of their own individual decisions? And the only way to get them to make the "right" decisions is by dumbing down all possible decisions to a few easily memoizable rules and telling them that if they don't follow these rules they're Cucks and losers because some youtubers said so (which totally isn't shaming because reasons..… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 07:26 PM |
| – | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?I agree that they exaggerate how soon and fast the decline happens. On the other hand, a message of "Don't worry about finding a man when you're young, you can do just as well at dating if you focus on your career and wait till your late 30s or 40s," does women a disservice. It's not that women cannot actively date in the their late 30s and 40s, but the quality of their dating pool is going to be very diminished. A 40 yo women's dating pool is going to be mostly 38+ to be generous. The guys with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 02:28 PM |
| – | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?No the childless women interested in him might still be attractive to him, just not as attractive. They're still an option he could be happy with, but he's assessed he'd be even happier with the single Mom because her qualities outweigh the complications. Advising men to carefully consider the possible downside is certainly reasonable. TRP and their incel cousins don't stop there though. They imagine they can judge millions of people to be "low value cucks" just on the basis of this one fact. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 01:16 PM |
| – | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?No incels repeat that revenge fantasy constantly. I agree that there are complications to dating single parents and many people will consider those consequences to outweigh the positives. I also filter out single moms from my dating searches. However, the weight someone gives to the cons of dating a particular single parent vs. pros of that relationship can only be assessed by the people making those individual choices. For example, someone might have the option of an attractive person they'd be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 05:26 AM |
| 2 | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?Incels and their pilled cousins constantly talk about the importance of being found sexually attractive in order to feel validated. They literally talk about people's value in terms of their ability to get sex - a "high value man" being someone who can get a lot of sex. The opposite of feeling validated or having value is feeling shame / low sense of self-worth. Perhaps you're confusing things because you're only using a narrow definition of shame in which it means guilt over wrong-doing. If so,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 04:31 AM |
| 0 | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?For sure, though I think there's some wishful thinking on both sides of that ones. People's appearance doesn't so much hit a wall as it starts going down a hill with varying levels of steepness depending on the individual. This happens to both genders, of course, but the fact women are much likely to date significantly older men (not 20-30 years older, but 5-10 is hardly unheard of) than vice versa does mean aging is going to hurt women's dating prospects more than it does mens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/23 03:07 AM |
| 13 | Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively?The driving force of the incelosphere is men feeling deep shame about their inability to attract women. This manifests itself as hostility to womenkind for rejecting them. One way they deal with this bitterness is to create a fictional universe of revenge fantasies in which the women who rejected them for more attractive men will suffer the same fate of permanent loneliness for making the mistake of choosing the attractive guys. The fantasy goes something like this: 20 yo Susy who's a 5 at best … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/23 10:49 PM |
| 2 | If a female physically assaults a male, should the male react differently than he would if a male assaulted him?If you're cornered and fighting is the only way to stop serious injury to yourself, then fight. Otherwise, be a man and walk away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/23 10:38 AM |
| 0 | The real reason men laud “players” and shame sluts is…Since when is something more praiseworthy because it's hard. Becoming a genocidal dictator probably takes a lot more work than not being a genocidal dictator. That doesn't make it praiseworthy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/23 09:19 PM |
| 7 | The Stat "80% of Women Match with 20% of Men" isn't because of female hypergamy. It's because of the skewed gender ratio.No that stat is the result of the internet rumor mill and isn't even real. There was one study that showed 80% of women only rate 20% of men as being above average attractiveness or something like that. But the very same study showed women were far more likely than men to show interest in those they'd rated as below average. But the incelosphere ignored that part of the study and pretty soon you had "only the top 20% of men have any chance with women" as accepted dogma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 09:45 PM |
| 8 | Men get destroyed by divorce because they view it as a moral failing. If men adopted the mentality "she's not yours, it's just your turn" they wouldn't get devastated by divorceThere are two sensible choices to make in regard to marriage: Marry someone with the old fashioned view that marriage is for life and that divorce is not an option except in extreme cases like abuse or infidelity. Marry someone who rejects modern views that broken relationships are just something that happens to people, and instead views marriage as a commitment to keep your relationship together. Don't get married. I don't understand why people add the legal complications of marriage for a rela… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/23 02:44 PM |
| – | When a woman says "I love guys with long hair!" she's picturing a bearded masculine man to go with it.So? You do realize hair length is entirely within your control right? So if you have a hair style that makes you feminine and repels women, you're making the choice to repel women. This isn't some immutable trait, short haired guys are just long haired guys who got a hair cut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/23 10:17 AM |
| – | Most attractive men are not misogynistic. But misogyny is one of the many valid reasons why average men today are getting rejected.Pro life men aren't suffering from feminist rejection. Most are not looking to date progressive feminists anyway. Most of them are part of conservative religious denomination that skew heavily female, so they're in a more favorable dating position than mainstream secular guys. It's not the absolute size of a dating pool that matters, but the gender ratio. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/23 03:39 AM |
| – | Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble?"So women are entitled to me being their protector by virtue of a biological fact I can't control?" Nature doesn't care about these silly notions of fairness or autonomy. The survival of humanity also depends on women bearing children because of a biological fact they cannot control. In sane societies men are proud to be men and carry out roles like protectors and providers and women are proud to be women and carry out roles like mothers and nurturers. I can't relate to the wimpyness involved in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/23 12:05 AM |
| – | Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble?You're free to not intervene and the rest of us are free to think you're less of a man and a coward for not doing so. The idea that men should be stepping in feels like it contradicts a core tenant of "everyone is equal!". Only if "everyone is equal" is taken to mean "everyone is the same," which is obviously ridiculous at a basic biological level. Every species has different roles for the sexes and it's based on actual differences between the sexes. Social theories that have been around for 0.1… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/23 11:26 PM |
| 5 | What exactly do RP men want?They want to be hot and have the advantages that come with this. They can't gracefully accept that they didn't win the genetics lottery, and they take their bitterness over that fact out on women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/23 07:35 PM |
| 1 | I think that the problem with The Blue Pill is that they deep down expect sexual attraction to be "rational"Nah, outside the red-pill (aka "blue pill"), people accept that sex and attraction don't work like a gold star for good behavior, and that there's no "fair" distribution of these things. It's only TRP guys who act like this is a shocking betrayal of how the universe is supposed to work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/23 10:39 AM |
| 1 | Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles?"Women consider 80% of men ugly while men think most women look fine with some being beautiful and some ugly." One studied showed this (well it showed that they viewed 80% of men as below average attractiveness, not necessarily "ugly",) but the very same study showed that women were considerably more likely to message guys they rate below average, than guys are to message women they rate as below average. That part of the study gets ignored though, because it creates the opposite narrative Red P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/23 10:30 PM |
| – | Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives"Humanity will continue even if there is population decline." Yes, but only because of the people who do the hard work of having kids. Bragging about easy it is not to have kids is like someone making a tik-tok about easy it is not have a job and live on welfare. Yes, it's certainly possible for individual to make the decision to not work without it causing societal collapse, but only because a bunch of other people are working hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/23 09:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV The biggest fear of a Women in Dating is getting Pump and dumped, the biggest fear off a Man is not beeing seen as sexually desirable by his Girl.Most guys can enjoy a relationship while recognizing that the woman's attraction is multi-dimensional and that they might lose out to other guys if the competition was purely physical. I mean if a guy can get good sex and love why is he going to worry about all of this "billy beta," crap. Some TRP guys are just determined to be unhappy victims no matter what though. I mean most of the time you're all complaining bitterly about women caring about looks and overlooking average guys with good perso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/23 02:21 AM |
| 0 | Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily livesNothing if you're a nihilist. But Tradcons aren't nihilists and they view extinction and/or the end of human civilization as bad things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/23 01:34 AM |
| -1 | Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives"Why are men who apparently don’t even want these things so mad about a woman who equally doesn’t want those things either and thus does not force some poor man into committing to a woman and raising children? " Um, because men aren't a monolith and you're talking about two different groups of men. Trad Cons like Matt Walsh absolutely think men should get married and have children and always have advocated this. He's also been perfectly clear about his reasons for criticizing childfree women, he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/23 08:49 PM |
| 4 | How to exit redpill when I had to learn about biological human attractiveness at uni?Knowing that women, like men, have biologically based attraction to certain physical features does not make you red pill. Red Pill people like to claim this knowledge as their contribution, but women being attracted to tall, handsome, men has long been universally known. The only Red Pill "contribution," was being shocked and betrayed by this info. Also knowing that some women can be man-hating unpleasant feminists doesn't make you red pill. Generalizing that to all women is where you'd be red p… | /r/ExRedPill | 10/09/23 08:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: successful men do care about womens’ careersYou're confusing correlation with causation. Granted men aren't immune from classism, and this partially explains why they're less likely to view much lower economic classes as marriage prospects. But a big reason for what you see is simply how social circles work. Even if a 1-percenter guy wouldn't mind dating a poor or middle class woman, he's unlikely to meet one in a social setting conducive to dating. Also, a man may want an intellectual match, and someone unable to get more than a minimum … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/23 10:30 PM |
| 11 | Women are completely delusional when it comes to their physical appearance, yet they constantly suggest men are the ones overrating themselvesSo someone's delusional if they don't drop their pants the instant someone hotter than them approaches? If she had you'd just say it's an example of how women are sluts always ready to be pump and dumped by Chads. What some view as "smoothest game ever," others view as cocky and arrogant. The dialog is designed to show her as someone who's too smart and self respecting to be impressed by an obvious pua type. But the body language and tone is also designed to show she's intrigued and attracted, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/23 10:57 AM |
| 2 | You can't really determine your own level of beauty, that's not how it works.A woman who's a perfect "10" doesn't deserve a "10," either. She may be more likely to find one willing to be with her, but it doesn't have anything to do with "deserving," it. The word "deserve" should stricken from conversations about dating. You can get what you can get. Thinking in terms of "deserve" is how you end up with men weirdly thinking that it some sort of injustice that they can get their "looks-match." If a "5" woman can land a "10," then she can land a "10," man, and if she can't,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/23 09:44 PM |
| 14 | Is TRP mostly an American thing?It's not an American thing, it's more of an imaginary thing. Average and even below average guys have relationships with women in America all the time, and the idea that they don't is basically an ego-defense mechanism for those of us who don't. The idea of women only wanting the top 20% of men is based on a very sloppy reading of an old ok-cupid study, that if anything actually supported the opposite point. The study showed that only 20% of men were rated as above average in attractiveness. Bas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/23 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Do most people only look for partners in a narrow age range?Depends on what you count as a narrow age range I guess. I am 35M and generally set my filters at 25-35. I'll occasionally check the 36 or 37 year olds, but my desire for biological children makes me hesitant to seek someone older than me. I feel slightly uncomfortable going after the 25 to 26 year old though, just because of the possible stigma. I don't really see a problem with that age gap as there are people in their mid 20s who have their lives together just as much as I do mine and are per… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/23 03:30 AM |
| 1 | You can't truly be red pilled if you aren't a religious personWhat Red Pill community are getting this from? This certainly is nothing like what I read from people claiming to be Red Pill. TRP tends to have a very negative view of the institution of marriage and family men. It often uses terms like "beta" and "simp" to describe such men. I also have no clue where you getting the idea that TRP encourages male sexual purity. It views female sexual purity as valuable, but most TRPers seem to view ideal male as a "Chad" who has lots of casual sex. Sometimes fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/23 08:15 PM |
| 1 | Is there a point being tall starts to become unattractive to most women?Yes, that's what I said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/23 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Is there a point being tall starts to become unattractive to most women?According to one study I saw, women's preferred height difference is 8 inches. In that case, most women won't prefer men to be taller than 6 ft or maybe 6 ft 1. However, that doesn't mean a guy's dating prospects are going to be worse because he's taller than this. You have to consider that even if there's a thing as too tall, it's much less likely to be a deal breaker than being too short. So theoretically say a guy could go from 6 ft to 6 ft 6 in, there'd be a lot of women who once considered … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/23 04:55 AM |
| 13 | Men aging like fine wine is a myth and women "hitting the wall" is overstatedThe idea is exaggerated in TRP circles, but it's based on a real phenomenon, which is that women's sexual preferences in regard to age change relative to their own age much more than men's do, they're willing to accept a bigger age gap if they're the younger partner than if the man is younger. Consider your average 50 yo. male: the age ranges he considers acceptable are mid 20s to mid 40s for fantasies or short-term relationships, and mid 30s to mid 40s for serious relationships or marriage. Mea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/23 06:26 PM |
| 1 | The conservative advice given to women, that tells them to be housewives while letting the men bring in the money, is flawed and downright harmful."When you're young, find a strong man you can rely on. Don't stress yourself with the corporate world, just enjoy your time with your precious kids". This conservative advice is so often given to women. Often? Really? Also I'd note your hypothetical woman apparently has kids, which means she already found her husband. "When 6-figure earning masculine conservative men say they want a wife, they mean young beautiful women with class, they aren't talking about nasty 30+ post-wall overweight liberal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/23 02:06 AM |
| 1 | How many of you would reject this guy because he is redpilled?Fascinating that you think not being heterosexual is a "criticism." Not many people would admit to such views in this day and age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/23 03:31 AM |
| 0 | Let's say you have a redpilled friend that doubts his beliefs. How would you disprove AF/BB to him?Like most red-pill cult dogma, it's designed to be unfalsifiable. So we'd need to have a conversation on the falsifiability of legit scientific theories, and why he requires it to be disproven instead of requiring it to be proved before believing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/23 12:54 PM |
| 5 | I am NOT seeing "average" men having sex "all the time"How are you "seeing" these things. I trust you understand Reddit communities where people go to complain about these things are extremely skewed samples. Most people don't widely talk about their sex talk, so you wouldn't be "seeing" these things from your own social circle. And even people did always openly talk about their sex lives, your own social circle is going to be a skewed sample. Actual research on it shows 75% of men in their prime are having sex at least 1-3 times a month, and at lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/23 07:12 PM |
| 1 | I am NOT seeing "average" men having sex "all the time"That's not right place to put the age cutoffs, but age 25-44 yo men do considerably better than age 18-24 yo. with half as many people who report not having sex at all: Trends in Frequency of Sexual Activity and Number of Sexual Partners Among Adults Aged 18 to 44 Years in the US, 2000-2018 | Public Health | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network I think this is the natural result of women generally accepting a bigger age gap above their age than they will below their age, and men preferring younger w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/23 06:38 PM |
| -1 | You men who want traditional women, are u even ready to be traditional urselfTrad Con men exist, but we're mostly in conservative religious communities. Outside those groups it's mostly either feminist allies or the misogynistic TRP guys whining about how it's unfair that women want them to act like men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/23 05:32 PM |
| 1 | Reddit gives completely different answers depending whether a man or a woman is doing the asking for the same exact thing LOLAssessing people's intentions is a perfectly normal part of social interactions and doesn't have anything to do with assigning group blame. Think about it like interpretating gestures differently depending on culture. If someone uses a hand gesture that's offensive in their own culture, it's not bigoted to think there was an offensive intent, even though you would've found it inoffensive in a different culture. Men and women essentially have different cultures especially in things like how they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/23 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Reddit gives completely different answers depending whether a man or a woman is doing the asking for the same exact thing LOLYes, but there's enough similarities within the sexes and differences between the sexes, to make strong probabilistic statements on the basis of one's sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/23 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Reddit gives completely different answers depending whether a man or a woman is doing the asking for the same exact thing LOLSeems like an ideological statement as that'd be very hard to measure or falsify. Regardless of individual differences though, there are enough sex differences, that it's perfectly logical to come to different conclusions about the intent of certain behaviors depending on the sex of the person in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/23 07:04 PM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on OnlyFans?Porn apologists are some of the biggest wishful thinkers out there: "You can totally use women as on-demand masturbatory aids, without effecting how you view women in real life. You just have to tell yourself it's not real..." That's just not how the brain works. The brain is highly moldable and largely still operates by behavioral conditioning no more controlled by the rational will than the behavior of animals. Unlike animals we can use our rational wills to control our conditioning (for examp… | /r/ExRedPill | 24/07/23 06:04 PM |
| 3 | Reddit gives completely different answers depending whether a man or a woman is doing the asking for the same exact thing LOL"Have you never heard people make comments of others clothes?" Not straight male people no, at least not the kind of complimentary comments you're talking about. We might comment if the piece of clothing is very unusual, I can't recall ever being part of a conversation about particular dresses the guys liked or anything like that. Do you often witness such conversations among straight males? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/23 12:48 AM |
| 3 | Reddit gives completely different answers depending whether a man or a woman is doing the asking for the same exact thing LOLDo you know any straight guys who notice and admire dresses just because of their interest in dresses? They probably exist but it's rare enough you're probably safe assuming that's not the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/23 11:03 PM |
| 0 | Reddit gives completely different answers depending whether a man or a woman is doing the asking for the same exact thing LOLWell men and women aren't the same, so it's perfectly logical to interpret the intent of their actions differently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/23 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Do you think manipulation can be a good thing?It depends on how you define manipulation. I think you're defining it too broadly. If you define manipulation as exerting any kind of influence on people that may change what they do or how they feel, then most human interaction is manipulation. But that's not what most people mean. The difference between normal influence and manipulation is that influence does not try to undermine a personal's mental strength and ability to make the decisions they would normally want to make. If you do somethin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/23 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Why is the 80/20 rule offensive?Ironically, the very study used to prove the 80 / 20 principal actually disproves it, and showed men place a bigger weight on physical attractiveness than women, and that male interest is more concentrated on the top women than visa versa. It did show that women rate 80% of men as below average, while men's rating of women follows a bell curve. Since incels and their cousin pill communities apparenrly have the attention of fruit flies and zero intellectual honesty they seem to have stopped readi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/23 06:09 AM |
| – | Passport dating...for women?That includes both the older generations which are more religious but she wouldn't be interested in dating and a lot of nominal Protestants who aren't seriously religious. The real problem for traditionally religious women though isn't the raw numbers but simply that they significantly outnumber traditionally religious men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/23 01:41 AM |
| – | Passport dating...for women?There's definitely still a lot of traditional Christian guys in the USA but the competition for them is pretty steep since church going women outnumber men by a ratio of 4-3. I'm not sure whether the situation is better overseas, there's probably some places where it is. It's possible your ability to provide a path to a green card and better standard of living would increase your attractiveness with some guys from impoverished countries. I'd be careful you know what you're getting into with a tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/23 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Why do a lot of men believe they will get sexier with age?I don't think men get more sexually attractive with age. Age causes a decline in physical attractiveness for both men and women. I do, however, think the decline is likely later and significantly more gradual for men, in line with the later and far more gradual decline of male fertility. This combined with the heavier weighting men place on physical attractiveness and the higher weighting women place on things like status and wealth, can lead to an improvement in man's overall relationship attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/23 08:27 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Red pill is dangerous for autistic menI agree except that I don't think it's only autistic men having these struggles. Autism has kind of become a trendy catch-all label for anybody not fitting in and I think you probably have a high rate of over self-diagnosis. Stats I've seen show maybe about 25% of men in the romanceless or near - romanceless categories, which is certainly not most men as some TRPers seem to imply with their 80 / 20 rules and such, but it's also about 10 times the number of autistic people. " There should be anot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/23 05:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV Men are way more honest in a discussion about dating/dating strategy then Women which is sad because if Women would be honest they could elevate those discussions to a new level.And in today's installment of the "Are women less honest than men" our inquisitive reddit reporter will pose the following questions: To Women: Would you consider putting dog poop on your pizza? To men: Do you like pineapple on your Pizza? And the results are in. 100% of women say they do not want dog poop on their pizza, proving they are hive mind without a single one willing to break the group and give an honest dissenting opinion. Meanwhile, the men bravely gave a wide variety of honest answe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/23 05:05 AM |
| 1 | In your opinion, is telling people not to actively search for love and let it come to you good advice?Before that point I did ... relocated, got a job I wanted, and got more involved in church. Nothing on the scale of what TRP people talk about though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/23 03:38 AM |
| 21 | Q4W: Do you take men not dating or opting out (even temporarily) personally?Even then most people won't notice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/23 01:46 AM |
| 1 | CMV I believe that beeing a Step Dad is one off the most humilating things that a Man can do to himself.Lol, yes I'm sure being written off by the incel community will cause single Moms to do some serious reflection over their actions! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/23 01:35 AM |
| 3 | In your opinion, is telling people not to actively search for love and let it come to you good advice?About a year ago I decided nothing was going to just happen and I was running out of time, so I set up about a half dozen OLD profiles and messaged 100 + women. This was too little late though, I got about half a dozen responses, none really from my area and none them turned into a date. A 1st gen. immigrant I know from church introduced to me a relative of his still living in his old country. That's gone further than anything else, so fingers crossed...Come to think of it, if this works out I g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/23 05:51 PM |
| 1 | CMV I believe that beeing a Step Dad is one off the most humilating things that a Man can do to himself."You won't take care of my kids, you're not a real man"! Nobody's questioning the masculinity of a guy who decides becoming a step-dad isn't for him, that's a perfectly legitimate choice to make. Real men aren't on here weirdly obsessing over the guys that do decide to be step-dads though. The people doing that are the guys who can't find a woman at all "real" or otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/23 03:38 PM |
| 1 | CMV I believe that beeing a Step Dad is one off the most humilating things that a Man can do to himself.Those are weird assumptions. What makes you the mom even previously knew the step dad, let alone passed him up? And what makes you think the dads name is Chad, and why would it matter? Real men will come to different conclusions on whether the complications and responsibilities of being a step father is right. But they don't spend one second worrying about Chad, because that's just weird incel shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/23 02:25 PM |
| 1 | CMV I believe that beeing a Step Dad is one off the most humilating things that a Man can do to himself.Sorry bud, it's already normal. A handful of sad men steeped in the icel / pill cults are the only ones freaking about it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/23 01:56 PM |
| 5 | CMV I believe that beeing a Step Dad is one off the most humilating things that a Man can do to himself.I'm shaking in my boots! The passionate hatred incels have toward stepdads is just very weird. Well maybe not that weird when you consider, stepdads are people who found at least one woman who was willing to touch them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/23 01:00 AM |
| – | CMV I believe that beeing a Step Dad is one off the most humilating things that a Man can do to himself.Definitely not as humiliating as being an incel who spends his time writing these kinds of posts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 11:59 PM |
| 21 | In your opinion, is telling people not to actively search for love and let it come to you good advice?It's terrible advice. I wasted my 20s and half my 30s living that way, and figure why I didn't find anyone. To be fair no one really gave me that advice, it was the default option and life kind of passed me by. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Why wouldn't looks matter?" That is 100% untrue in my experience. I've never in all my experience around these forums and places on the internet seen a bluepiller acknowledge that someone might be a 30yo virgin due to not looking good enough." That's kind of the point though. Your experience is in these forums and the internet, where the people complaining about being 30 yo virgins accompany those complaints with a huge dose of misogyny. That's the context to the charges of shitty personalities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 04:19 PM |
| 0 | What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pillWell movies and TV don't usually create a universe where 80-90% of the men are lonely virgins, so in that sense I suppose they're "blue-pilled," much like reality itself. Most supposed blue pill tropes are just red pill strawmen though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 04:04 PM |
| – | Should men only seek affection if they earned or deserve it?Affection from whom? That question lies at the heart of the problem. It's easy enough to say everybody deserve free affection and in theory I'd agree, be we cannot force people to provide that affection nor would it be appreciated if it was forced. So we're left with the fact that men (like women) have to do the work of forming relationships to find affection. For some men that'll be hard work. I'm all for building up social institutions to make building relationships easier for people though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/23 02:47 AM |
| 3 | Is there anyway too prove the existence of the patriarchy ?I haven't been exposed to very much JP content, from what I can tell he's more Trad Con than Red Pill. These are diametrically opposed viewpoints. Tradcons believe the ideal man is a married man who works hard to support his family, while TRP views such a guy as a "simp." Tradcons view it as being in women's nature to be virtuous wives and mothers who should be valued and protected. TRP teaches that women are basically all gold-diggers incapable of loyalty because of "hypergamy." Despite the dia… | /r/ExRedPill | 19/07/23 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Why wouldn't looks matter?"Which means that if a virgin man who already has platonic friends asks how he can lose his virginity, the bluepillers who accuse him of having a shitty personality are being silly in my opinion." Not necessarily, because the personality threshold for romance is not the same as it for friends. The right advice is really depend upon the individual in question. Mostly though the accusations of "shitty personality," come from people reacting to the misogyny prevalent in the manosphere circles where… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/23 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Why wouldn't looks matter?You're absolutely right that everyone has a minimum looks threshold below which they won't be interested in a person and the fact heterosexuals are not interested in people who like they same gender no matter how great their personality, illustrates this point. Black pillers will say this demonstrates looks are more important since no matter of personality can save a person who's below the minimum threshold. But this ignores the fact that most everyone also has a minimum personality threshold. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/23 06:52 PM |
| 2 | Why wouldn't looks matter?Totally depends on the individual. If they have things in life that can realistically be improved I'd recommend they work on that, or if they're not putting themselves out there I'd recommend that. If they've improved to their potential and still have zero success despite really trying, I'd probably recommend they consider foreign dating. But I'm one of those guys myself, so it's not like people are coming to me for advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/23 05:31 PM |
| 4 | Why wouldn't looks matter?"Blue pill," does not argue that looks don't matter to women. This is one of the more perplexing strawmen created by the pilled people. Society has always been extremely and blatantly obvious that women care about looks, and yet TRPers act like this has been some big secret that society doesn't want you to know and only they are willing to tell you the truth! Seriously, where do you all get this idea? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/23 04:01 PM |
| – | Could u in the 80s as a Man basically "just exist" and you were basically guaranteed that u will end up with a Wife + Family? Was it that easy?No definitely not. A guy who lived with his parents, and / or just stayed home all day, didn't get a decent job, who was socially awkward, etc... would remain a bachelor. It's not like confirmed bachelors haven't always been a thing. Even the 1960s Andy Griffith show portrayed this character. The difference is that you can create a virtual reality with the internet , porn, video games, and have a lot more instant gratification as a guy who "just exists" today than in 1980 so a lot more people ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/23 03:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV : Your parents could mostly buy houses easily, you can’t. Your parents found partners and had families, you can’t. It’s normal.The big cities are largely populated by people who made that decision and of those who didn't their parents or grandparents likely did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/23 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Women have total control of the dating marketAnd if a girl asks a guy to get into a relationship and he says no, he has final say. It's the exact same power regardless of how he decides to use it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/23 06:34 AM |
| 0 | Women have total control of the dating marketNah everyone has the same power on the dating market: the power to set your own and only your own "price." If TRPers are right about women having a higher "price," than men, it's only because men CHOOSE to have lower standards - ie "sell" themselves at a lower "price." You can whine "if they did that then they couldn't find anybody to have sex with," but that'd also be for women if men chose to raise their standard. Discrepancies in a free dating "market place" can only be caused by one gender n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/23 04:49 AM |
| 2 | Beauty is subjective, but unattractive men should know their placeBeauty is subjective because it's in the eye of the beholder. But the relevant beholder for a straight guy are women. It doesn't matter how he self-rates himself unless he plans to date himself. Let's say it's true that men have a broader preferences in what they find attractive than women do. So what? You think if you just manage to convince them of this, they'll be like "you know what now that I know men find 50th percentile, I'm going to be attracted to you so that I'm more like these generou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 02:27 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: The aspergers/high functioning autism red pill and blue pill dilemmaI did. He talked about the desire to make friends, form relationships, and get a job. Basically having a normal life. There was nothing about sex, though I'm sure that's included and it's perfectly normal desire as well. It seems you're the one who didn't read the post and decided that having an autistic brother gives you the right to make assumptions about him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 02:00 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: The aspergers/high functioning autism red pill and blue pill dilemmaYou're missing the point. Going to the gym was only an example. The point is to use short term gratification to reward self improvement instead of trying to completelysuppress those desires. I don't think going to the gym is necessary for everyone, but building enough muscles to not have a flabby physique is certainly one way to improve attractiveness and increasing attractiveness will increase one's romantic options. It shouldn't be the only thing and one may choose a self improvement path that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 01:42 PM |
| – | Why do men make weird jokes in public with women they don't know?Making unfunny jokes is not what ill-humored means and these men crying about the woman's reaction is your own little sick fantasy. You seem like a deeply unhappy person who tries hard to find reasons to be upset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 01:20 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: The aspergers/high functioning autism red pill and blue pill dilemmaThere was nothing in this post that suggested this. You're an ableist bigot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 01:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV Man didnt get worse if you compare men from 1950 to 2022, but if you compare Women from 1950 to 2022 you will see a INSANE decrease in "Dating Partner Quality." I am very curious if someone can prove to me that "back in the day" men were better, but i dont believe it.Lol! Facts that were actually irrelevant to the claim you made. Nice try though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 05:42 AM |
| – | Why do men make weird jokes in public with women they don't know?Not laughing is one thing. Getting so annoyed you have to write a Reddit post on the horror and then harshly insult anyone who defends the perpetrators of these bad jokes, is whole nother level of ill-humored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 05:15 AM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on MrBeast ? Does he show that ordinary men can greatly increase their attractiveness?Becoming an entertainer can lead to rags to riches stories for seemingly ordinary people. But it's basically like gambling at a casino, the odds of success are very low, but if you do hit the jackpot it can be a huge payoff. With fairly average intelligence you can go to college for 2-4 years or trade-school for a shorter time and pretty much guarantee a middle-class income. With above average intelligence (but not unheard of genius level) you can become a Dr., Engineer, or a Lawyer and guarante… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 04:45 AM |
| – | Love is Simping for Someone Who Has SimpedWell I'm Christian, and the teachings of Jesus were about self-sacrifice and centered on the idea of God giving up infinite power to become a helpless, baby, poor itinerant teacher, and die on cross...Obviously, a lot of Christians throughout history haven't actually followed those principles but that is the message. The classical Greek philosophies on which western civilization was built, like Platonism and Aristotle held that there were objective truths and values that could be found either by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 04:04 AM |
| 4 | Discussion: The aspergers/high functioning autism red pill and blue pill dilemmaThis is such an astoundingly tone-deaf unempathetic ableist comment! It's perfectly possible to see or experience just enough positive socialization to know that you'd enjoy it if you could do it successfully and have friends, but find socializing to be an absolutely miserable and painful task because you're not any good at it. If you don't have anything helpful to say, you could just not say anything at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 03:41 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: The aspergers/high functioning autism red pill and blue pill dilemmaOption C. is the cognitive-behavioral approach where instead of fighting against the short-term desires and pleasures you have in life you use them as a tools to support your self-improvement. Trying to motivate yourself by removing all pleasure and getting depressed is a terrible and dangerous strategy because depression literally causes low energy and a lack of motivation. But you're right that simply being undisciplined and doing whatever you feel like will lead to failure in reaching your lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 03:34 AM |
| 1 | CMV Man didnt get worse if you compare men from 1950 to 2022, but if you compare Women from 1950 to 2022 you will see a INSANE decrease in "Dating Partner Quality." I am very curious if someone can prove to me that "back in the day" men were better, but i dont believe it.'You can argue social acceptability blah blah..." That was literally what we were arguing about, but now that you don't think you can prove it was socially acceptable to be a wife-beater in the 1950s, you've decided to move the goal-posts to talk about something else. "Domestic violence was worse in the 1950s than it is today." You're straw-manning as nobody claimed otherwise. Though, you haven't actually provided any evidence of that either as your stats were from the 1990s, but it's certainly … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/23 12:09 AM |
| 1 | CMV Man didnt get worse if you compare men from 1950 to 2022, but if you compare Women from 1950 to 2022 you will see a INSANE decrease in "Dating Partner Quality." I am very curious if someone can prove to me that "back in the day" men were better, but i dont believe it.That shows a domestic violence rate of 9.8 out of 1,000 people, that hardly proves it was a "socially acceptable," activity. People engage in domestic violence because they have poor self-control, (often due to substance abuse,) not because it was ever viewed as socially acceptable in the last 100 years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 11:39 PM |
| – | Most controversial gender views here are literally just common sense, around the worldYes suicide is definitely hilarious. You seem like a lovely person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 08:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV Man didnt get worse if you compare men from 1950 to 2022, but if you compare Women from 1950 to 2022 you will see a INSANE decrease in "Dating Partner Quality." I am very curious if someone can prove to me that "back in the day" men were better, but i dont believe it.Lol, It was not socially acceptable to be a wife beater in the 1950s. Your view of history is a cartoon version created by people ideologically devoted to the idea that history can only move in a positive direction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Love is Simping for Someone Who Has SimpedThat's pretty interesting as I enjoy a good intellectual history even if it's of ideas I find abhorrent. Basically, it's sounds like TRPers accept the same postmodern/post-Marxist critical theory view of guys like Foucault and Derrida as what radical feminism does, they just switch which gender's the victim and which is the oppressor. They still view human existence and our view of reality as being primarily defined by antagonistic power struggles. I'm anti - contemporary feminism, but it's beca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 06:45 PM |
| 1 | CMV Man didnt get worse if you compare men from 1950 to 2022, but if you compare Women from 1950 to 2022 you will see a INSANE decrease in "Dating Partner Quality." I am very curious if someone can prove to me that "back in the day" men were better, but i dont believe it."So like, which is it? Were men of years past these patriarchal brutes that forced all women into roles in relationships that no woman would choose of her own accord? Or were men of yesteryear these enlightened hypermasculine attractive ubermenschen that put modern soyboys to shame?" Why couldn't they be somewhere in the middle between these ridiculous cartoons? Which of course they were. But overall they were thinner, more well socialized, and less likely to be addicted to porn and video games.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 03:57 PM |
| 27 | CMV Man didnt get worse if you compare men from 1950 to 2022, but if you compare Women from 1950 to 2022 you will see a INSANE decrease in "Dating Partner Quality." I am very curious if someone can prove to me that "back in the day" men were better, but i dont believe it.The obesity epidemics is something that's effected both men and women, so while a fat guy was not unheard of in the 1950s, the average 1950s guy was definitely thinner than the average 2023 guy, same as the case for women. Also the average 1950s guy was 100% less likely to be addicted to porn, video games, or shit-posting on Reddit. These things drag the average quality of the modern male way down. As to 1950s men treating women 100 times better, that's just chronological snobbery. Plenty of 195… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Women mostly get “the ick” over perceived shortcomings of masculinityMost men are naturally masculine (hence why these traits are considered masculine) so this doesn't require a "performance." More effeminate guys will have a struggle, but the good news for them is that women's desire are a spectrum just like men's masculinity. Both "men are masculine," and "women prefer masculine men," are true statements as generalizations about group averages and tendencies, but not true about every individual. So the effeminate guys will have to make a choice. They can do as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 03:06 PM |
| 5 | It’s hard to take what a lot of men say seriously about relationships/marriageContemporary western cultures severely stunts both men and women in their development of traits important to building strong healthy families and which would make them good husbands, wives, fathers, and mothers. It's foundation is self- centered pursuit of self fulfillment and glorification of instant gratification. The gender wars trying to say which gender is more / who started is just a pathetic distraction from this reality. Those who still want family's should instead focus on finding count… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Love is Simping for Someone Who Has SimpedI think you're exaggerating how well defined the term is. Basically it's just thrown around as a way for pilled people and incels to deal with the inconvenient reality that a whole lot of average guys actually get into relationships just fine. They try to deny this reality as much as possible, but when that proves impossible they dismiss these guys as simps. Any nice thing a guy does can get dismissed as simping if it serves this purpose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 04:36 AM |
| 1 | The best possible option for highly educated, high earning, healthy weight men in the west is to passport bro.Come to think of it, I'm sure religion is a big factor for why the interest I was seeing was overwhelmingly from the Philippines and not other Asian countries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 04:01 AM |
| 2 | The best possible option for highly educated, high earning, healthy weight men in the west is to passport bro.Like I said, I think the economic motivation is somewhat overemphasized. However, I'm curious if you actually checked the nationality of the matches you got from Singapore and Taiwan. Lots of places throughout Asia have many Filipina migrant workers. On a couple of religous dating sites, I used to use I would get a lot of messages from Filipina women even though I never initiated and had my setting limited to US. It was pretty much the only Asian nationality I got even though they weren't all li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 03:24 AM |
| 4 | Do you think the lonely men online actually just want sex?Men on these sites spew a lot of dehumanizing rhetoric about women, then occasionally you get this "but we just want love and meaningful intimacy" post. Now to be fair maybe they're not always the same guy making both posts, but the forums aren't going to be the best place to find sympathy for the 2nd kind if post because they're inundated with so much dehumanizing rhetoric. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/23 01:17 AM |
| 2 | Seeing all the benign and insignificant reasons women say they have gotten "The Ick" makes it hard to believe they care about men's mental health"Who said anything about "constantly"? We're talking about moments, not constant hibitual traits. A habit vs having a moment aren't the same." That's the point though. There's a limit to how much you could tolerate or you would consider it "habitual" or "constant" rather than just momentary. And the fact that you appreciate your wife eventually getting over her bad day and work so that's not a constant thing, doesn't mean you're expecting a performance. It means you selected someone with enough … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 07:39 PM |
| 2 | The best possible option for highly educated, high earning, healthy weight men in the west is to passport bro.Economic motivations certainly play a major role in attracting foreign women to western men, but the idea that all of them are economically desperate is highly exaggerated. One factor people don't consider in these conversations is the nature of the dating situation for these women in their own countries. I think often these women are the misfits in their home dating situation just like the passport bros are in their home countries. Consider that while western women only have to meet the standar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Seeing all the benign and insignificant reasons women say they have gotten "The Ick" makes it hard to believe they care about men's mental healthEverybody has a limit to how much emotional breakdown they can see from their partner and maintain attraction and respect. You really expect us to believe guys are okay with their partners constantly having full scale emotional meltdowns at the tiniest inconveniences and being perpetually negative and unhappy? Just because "in that moment" you're not setting a timer on your wife's breakdown, doesn't mean you'd be okay with her actually never getting over her bad day at work. And I'd point out th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 06:26 PM |
| 1 | Trad Cons and capitalism"The USDA estimates that parents can expect to pay between $15,438 and $17,375 a year raising a child in 2022, which can vary based on region and household income level." That figure is from a study of the average amount of money people do spend on their kids, not the amount they need to spend. Obviously, that's a circular argument to use against the claim that people could get by on less. It'd be like if someone said you can actually get an adequate new car for under S20K, and you responded "We… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/23 03:22 PM |
| 2 | Trad Cons and capitalismPeople greatly overestimate how much money is actually needed to live on, because they view certain lifestyles as necessities when they're actually just wants. You may have to live in an old 70-80 year old house with a 1 car garage instead of a spacious house in a new cookie-cutter suburb development. You may have to settle for a cheap camping trip instead of a Disney vacation. Your kids may grow up thinking Olive Garden is a fancy restaurant for very special occasions. The cost of living for a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/23 02:54 PM |
| 2 | If you struggle with dating, you are BELOW averageI think average in this context means average in attractiveness (in all aspects physical and non-physical) to the opposite sex. That means an average guy will have an average (or median ) level of dating success - 50% of guys will do better than him and 50% will do worse than him. This is not defining average as "doesn't struggle with dating," as it'd be possible that more than 50% of men struggle with, which is TRPers claim. However, stats don't back the repeated TRP claim that 80-90% of guys a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/23 09:17 PM |
| 1 | If you struggle with dating, you are BELOW averageWeirdly specific, but yeah I mostly agree. I think the stats back this up. For some it may be as a simple as not really trying to socialize (and they may interpret a very small amount of effort as a significant effort), but a strong majority of men have success with dating, so there's has to be some reason for not being as good as most men at it. I'd add the caveat that this applies to guys over 25. It's possible for guys in the 18-24 age bracket to be fairly average without success. They might … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/23 05:02 PM |
| 1 | CMV : Women need to follow the example that you can wait longer now to settle than ever as to avoid failed relationships with men they don’t loveIt totally depends on how many kids they want. If you want any kids you should be aiming for 35, and really early 30s is ideal, by 40 it's pretty much coin flip whether you'll be succesful in having one. If you want more than 1 kid you should be aiming for 30 and ideally late 20s, you may be able to wait to 35, but by then it's more of a coin flip whether you can get more than 1. And the few who want a big family need to start early. How Long Can You Really Wait to Have Kids? Here’s a Graph (INF… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/23 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Q4A What female body type do you find the most attractive?As a guy, I find 6 and 7 top tier, then number 3. 4 and 5 are the ones I find least attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/23 03:28 PM |
| 11 | Women's dating preferences propel hegemonic masculinity and gender normsBoth men and women act according to so-called "gender norms," probably for much the same reason that males and females of any species act differently from each other. Contrary to what you may learn in a gender studies class, different behaviors by different sexes is not a uniquely human societal construct. Thinking that such behavior is an oppressive human invention and then bitterly swapping blame back and forth about which gender is responsible for enforcing such behavior, is uniquely human; b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/23 03:09 PM |
| 2 | Would you rather be forever alone or sugar coat (lie about some aspects) of yourself in order to get into a relationship (no matter how stable it is)?Be forever alone I think. The idea of being dishonest eats me up more than most anything. Fortunately, I think this is a rare hypothetical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/23 01:48 AM |
| – | Are women who get in relationships with men who watch porn or occasionally like insta photos of hot women abusively controlling?People get into relationships with love goggles and minimize things that would normally be dealbreakers or convinces themselves the other person will change for them. Then when the love googles come off they find the behavior is a dealbreaker. This is not ideal behavior and if they do hope to change the person this is somewhat controlling. However, it's way too common to call it emotional abuse without cheapening that term. And if someone's made that mistake and realizes they cannot live with th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 06:55 PM |
| 4 | What is an average middle-aged woman, to you?Life expectancy goes up every year. A newborn's life expectancy as dragged down all the babies that don't make it to 1, while 1 yo's is the average of everybody who made it at least to 1 etc.. A man's life expectancy equals his age by 38 and woman's life expectancy matches her age at about age 40. This isn't really important for definition of middle age though since words just mean whatever most people understand them to mean. Google the word "middle age" and it's clear the term generally refers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 06:41 PM |
| 1 | What is an average middle-aged woman, to you?Basically the mom from the TV show The Middle. Not necessarily what that actress would like in real life, but on the TV I'd say she was a pretty accurate portrayal of what an average middle aged woman looks like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 06:23 PM |
| – | Would a woman working in a male dominated industry be a deal breaker?I'm happy with the simple life that a middle-class income in small town America provides. I don't see my quality of life being improved that much with a higher income. There are some cool things it could provide, but nothing I'd view as worth sacrificing quality family time for. I wouldn't be compatible with someone who placed a high priority on money or career advancement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 05:46 PM |
| – | Would a woman working in a male dominated industry be a deal breaker?It's not deal-breaker, but I'm on the low end of the middle class (or upper end of the lower middle class), and would prefer some with a similar income. I'd like to feel my income is actually supporting the family and not just a drop in the bucket. Someone like teacher is ideal, because it means we are both college educated and are from a similar class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Women are hypergamous not for wanting the best man, but for not really having an upper limit on the qualities they desire in men":So whats most likely the case is the most common range is 6' to 6'11" , with variations at the ends, this is what causes 6'6" to be the tallest (pun) peak." That may be, but that still wouldn't tell us the preferred number within the range. Even if 100% of women selected 6' to 6'11" and there could be 100% of women thinking that 6' is the ideal but it's a deal-breaker if the guy is any shorter than the ideal. Obviously, that's not the case, but mathematically it'd be possible as filter data is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 02:22 PM |
| 1 | Women are hypergamous not for wanting the best man, but for not really having an upper limit on the qualities they desire in menThis data doesn't tell us which height women prefer, it just shows what heights they view as deal breakers. For example, you could have 58% think that 6 feet is the very best height, but as long they don't consider it a deal breaker to 6ft to be 6ft 6 in they're adding to the 90% that don't consider 6ft 6 a deal breaker, even though it'd be a number fewer women prefer. I'm not saying that's the case, just that you cannot tell women's favored height from this data. Looking a bit at height percent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 06:31 AM |
| 1 | 30+ year old women can be just as attractive as a 21 year oldA 30+ yo woman can certainly look better than a different 21 yo. However, the same 30 yo. is not going to be as attractive to men as she was in her 20s absent lifestyle changes. If she gets more attractive, it will be in spite of her age not because of it. Men may prefer women closer to their age for compatibility reasons and because of social pressure, but I think you'll find very few who actually find women to more physically attractive as they age. Studies on actual dating sites rather than p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/23 03:30 AM |
| 4 | Situationships are not the antichamber of relationships. Relationships start from relationships. Let that sink in.Well that was weird. While I don't share the OP's passion, I do roll my eyes at the concept of situationships. It's one of the strongest examples of the millennial and zoomer generations need to constantly come up with new unnecessary labels for everything. Here we've literally decided that there needs to be a label for a relationship not having a label! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/23 05:41 AM |
| 0 | [CMV] You have to PAY in order to be lovedThat kinda sucks for cats I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 11:29 PM |
| 2 | If I knew my girlfriend was spending her time on forums trying to logically dissect our relationship based on an ideology, that shit would be such a turn-off. I could see this applying to me too as a guy.No but I also wouldn't feel the need to call myself a Christian if I only agreed with it on certain ideas that are widely accepted non-Christians and long before anyone claimed to be a Christian. For example, I wouldn't call myself a Christian just because I believe murder and adultery are wrong or that we should others as we want to be treated, even those are ideas that Christianity teaches in common with a bunch of other religions. However, if I believe Jesus of Nazareth should followed as Chr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 10:13 PM |
| 0 | If I knew my girlfriend was spending her time on forums trying to logically dissect our relationship based on an ideology, that shit would be such a turn-off. I could see this applying to me too as a guy.My claim wasn't that the RP directly prevents guys from getting partners (though it can have that effect), but that it's mainly drawing in guys who unsuccessful at this aspect of life. This should be fairly obvious. Guys who are happy and successful in their relationships aren't out there looking for some ideology about the dating market is unfairly stacked against them and tricks for turning things around. What they're doing is already working for them. " I may be redpill but all the women I've… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 09:28 PM |
| 2 | Red Pill Praxeology can be quite useful, while Red Pill Philosophy is pure stupidity"This usually involves regressing to trad con takes on most economic and social issues" TRPers may have an affinity for the alt-right, but the alt-right is not traditional conservatism. The Tradcon and Pilled worldviews are diametrically opposed. Tradcons view the role model of masculine behavior as being a devoted family man who lives to provide for and protect said family. In other words the guy pilled people call a "beta" or a "cuck." Pilled people view marriage as a misandristic trap to be a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 07:36 PM |
| 2 | If I knew my girlfriend was spending her time on forums trying to logically dissect our relationship based on an ideology, that shit would be such a turn-off. I could see this applying to me too as a guy.Yes, I think that would be an expected consequence of a guy's wife discovering he's fallen for a cult that's basically teaching him tactics for emotionally abusing her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 06:37 PM |
| 5 | If I knew my girlfriend was spending her time on forums trying to logically dissect our relationship based on an ideology, that shit would be such a turn-off. I could see this applying to me too as a guy.It totally depends on what views you're advocating here. Most women are going to be offended by pilled ideology, and they're going to be upset if they find out their boyfriends are husbands are into those things. It's not that they'd be offended that the BF or husbands are talking about dating or relationship dynamics and ideas online, it's the specific ideas they have on those things that'd be offensive. And that's why it's women who are telling you "my partner knows and is okay with it." Guys … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 06:18 PM |
| 3 | For those women that believe they deserve rich, high value men, where do you go that you think you'll meet them? What are you doing to attract them?For example, it'll be a girl who believes she deserves a guy around her age (25-35), over 6ft tall, handsome, makes $100k a year, owns a nice house, luxury car, spoils her, and is completely faithful. Meanwhile, she works at Walmart, is $15k in debt and has a kid. I'm curious how you're "noticing" this. Like are these actual random observations you're stumbling upon from the original source, or you're noticing memes, composed from a small handful of profiles (likely not even real) getting passed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 05:42 PM |
| – | [CMV] You have to PAY in order to be lovedI could see saying that's aggressive, not sure what you think was passive about it. Not all ideas or "discussions." are equal. Don't go throwing out unhinged toxic ideas and be all "Hey I'm just trying to have a discussion," when you get a strong response back. The whole "The world lied to me that physical attraction isn't a thing for women, ergo love=prostitution," is no more a healthy rational thought process than "the word's being controlled by shape-shifting reptiles." And we're not doing yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Are men really the only ones that can’t take rejection? Or is that a baseless assumptionI wouldn't assume it has anything to do with personal feelings about Jonah Hill at all. It could be that she just saw an opportunity to be celebrated as a brave survivor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 02:54 PM |
| 1 | Is the Nice Guy misunderstood or am I projecting?It's obvious when you think about it, but a lot of guys have been conditioned by society to think friendships are the most genuine way to find romance and they don't think through all the implications. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 02:35 PM |
| 4 | [CMV] You have to PAY in order to be lovedThank-you, that's very kind. She was early (38 I think) onset, and fortunately the meds gave her a pretty good quality of life for about 3 decades, but the final stretch is very difficult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 04:56 AM |
| 0 | Jonah hill controversyThese controversies are always kind of dumb, because we have no idea what happened behind closed doors. Like what did her "boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men" actually entail? What kind of friendships with her former wild friends is he talking about? There are answers to those questions that would make him a jealous control freak, and answers that would make her insane and him completely reasonable. That said one would think she chose the exhibits that make him look the worst, and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/23 02:14 AM |
| 13 | [CMV] You have to PAY in order to be loved"that means that it's a lie that we are worth the same,..." Who in the world told you this lie? Sure people claim that we're all worth the same in a spiritual sense, their lives having some sort of intrinsic value. This idea is used to support legal equality under the law, but I've never heard anyone at all claim that all men are equal in terms of their desirability to women, and there's a flood of societal messaging telling us that we're not equal in terms of desirability to the opposite sex. "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 10:43 PM |
| 24 | [CMV] You have to PAY in order to be loved"My hypothesis is that your father fell in love with your mother when she was attractive (to him) ..." That hypothesis would be correct. Sorry, but the fact the fact that romantic love is initially built upon mutual attraction is the most banal observation. There's something missing in your ability to process human relations or something went wrong in your development that this was ever a discovery for you. Nobody's spreading BS that romantic love does not have components of physical / sexual at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 09:49 PM |
| 40 | [CMV] You have to PAY in order to be lovedMy Dad and Mom have been married for over 40 years. She is in the last stages of Parkinson's there's no physical beauty left and the disease has now destroyed a great deal of her mental function as well. They live in the middle of nowhere so the closest nursing home is 30 miles away. Every day Dad makes that trip and spends the day by her side, despite this much time in a car exacerbating his severe back-pain. So kindly f-off with this nihilistic bullshit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 09:23 PM |
| 4 | Are average guys really “struggling”?It depends on how we define average. The most detailed, (though admittedly dated) stats I've seen suggest may 20% of men men 25-44 are struggling and 40% of 18-24 yo are struggling. Trends in Frequency of Sexual Activity and Number of Sexual Partners Among Adults Aged 18 to 44 Years in the US, 2000-2018 | Adolescent Medicine | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network That is if we define struggling as getting laid less than 1-3 times a month. If we define average as 50% +/- 15%, we could say about 15% o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Is the Nice Guy misunderstood or am I projecting?I agree that society has become overly harsh to the "nice guy." The phenomenon is often created by fairly decent but shy guys who have been overly influenced by rom-com type tropes. Society creates these types and then turns on them for doing what they've been conditioned to do. For their own good, nice guys need to learn that romance and falling in love are not just things that happen. You have to be a doer and make it happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 05:24 PM |
| 0 | Women are entitled to make men wait for sex, but men are entitled to rule her out because of it"... the beta bucks if you will to the alpha.." Weeding out guys who have weird thinking like this, I would think is one of the great advantages of making the guy wait. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 04:52 PM |
| 5 | The fact that women are so easily influenced by trends, what other women find attractive and the approval of their peers completely discredits their whole “we can’t control who we are attracted to” narrative."Whenever you criticize women for their inflated egos and delusional standards," They're only delusional standards if they're not able to get guys that meet it. Which according to your own cult's dogma they are able to do so with ease because men have no standards. A person's league by definition is whoever they're able to attract. The concept makes no sense otherwise because there's no objective metric to measure all of this. This is what makes no sense about this pilled garbage. On the one han… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/23 01:49 AM |
| – | Hire an escort isnt advice, its an insult."Personally, I think women dont like sex too much. So they tell these men just to pay for it...." Except that the vast majority of them are having regular free consensual sex as are a strong majority of men. They're not saying men in general need to go out an hire and hire escorts, they're saying this to the men who take to the internet to complain that no woman wants to sleep with them. There are basically three solutions for the guys that women don't want to sleep with: Change themselves so th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/23 10:49 PM |
| 2 | Trad Wives are UnethicalI don't get this. The economic status-quo IS thinking a two income family is necessary because you're trying to keep up with a materialist consumerist culture. Like it or not, accepting a lower standard of living because you prioritize raising your own kids, etc...is counter cultural in our capitalist society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/23 04:34 PM |
| 2 | CMV Many People in Dating Strategy subreddits (doesnt matter what pill, pua or whatever) have no reallife experience and therefore claim dumb delusional things, which makes finding the truth harder.For a lot of pilled people, the psychological point of the pills is to make them feel better about their choice to be lazy slobs spending way too much time inside parked on front of screen. Height gets overhyped in relation to other attributes, because it best serves that psychological function as its something they cannot change. For the same reason they exaggerate the minimum bar for attributes that could be changed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/23 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: How do you treat pregnant women?I'm old fashioned, so I'm generally not going to want be sitting while women are standing, pregnant or not. "I was surprised to see how much resentment there is toward pregnant women just for... existing." Yeah, It's part of the weird "child-free" cult. Note I'm not talking about everyone who has decide for one reason or another not to have kids. I'm talking about the people who think that their decision to not contribute to the continued existence of humanity is a really interesting part of the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/23 04:40 PM |
| 11 | Mid guys getting very attractive women at church?Yeah, I've considered that maybe being a church-goer is what makes TRP perception of dating reality seem so bonkers to me. There's about a 4-3 ratio of female to male church goers: Gender composition - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center This means about 25% of them won't have any suitors who are also regular church-goers. Add to this the fact that the church pushes marriage as the ideal, and you have a lot more women willing to accept a le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/23 12:03 AM |
| 2 | The RP obsession with older women's looks is anti-traditional and shallowI'm a Trad and I don't think Red Pillers claim to be us, and I certainly wouldn't claim to be RP. These are diametrically opposed ideologies, and the only way you'd think they're trying to be the same is if you're so binary in your thinking that you cannot imagine more than one ideology in opposition to mainstream culture. The Trad hero is a stoic, hardworking, loyal, family man who sacrifices to provide for his wife and kids. The RPers deride this guy as a "beta" and "cuck." The RP hero is a he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/23 03:00 PM |
| 3 | Do men really struggle with dating? Every guy I know has a girlfriend or wife."What's your take on this? Do men in the United States really struggle with dating? Do you know real-life incels?" Yes, I'm a 35 YO without any romantic experience to speak of, and I have a couple friends who had very little success until their 30s. However, US men don't struggle nearly at the rates suggested by Reddit pilled communities who claim or at least strongly imply that the "average" guy has little chance at success. I didn't find any completely up-to-date Statistics, but unless things … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 10:47 PM |
| 1 | Men who don’t want to date overweight women know it has nothing to do with healthI haven't heard guys deny that not wanting fat women is about looks and sexual attraction for them. Most of us don't care about whether our preferences are perceived as "shallow," and don't feel any need to justify them. I think it's much more common for women to try an spin looks-based preferences into something else, because there's a gendered expectation that women shouldn't care as much about looks. Now, it's quite possible to both acknowledge that the reason we don't want fat women is becau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 09:18 PM |
| 2 | Before you can get a partner, you need good friends.It totally depends on the individual social needs of the guy in question. For a lot of us, the amount of together time provided by a relationship is more than enough, and having enough time alone would a greater concern than having too much alone time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Before you can get a partner, you need good friends."What if your partner is at work?" They give you supportive phone call and do what they can to get off work as quickly as possible, because family comes first. "You're not asking for them to be with you all the time, sure, but you are asking them to be "on call" constantly." For legit crises sure. That's what family's for. Someone who's not there for you when the "shit" hits the fan, because they "have their own life" is not a life "partner." Certainly, not the kind I'd be looking for. Sure you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 05:28 PM |
| 5 | Before you can get a partner, you need good friends."So if the person you're banging is unavailable, who do you turn to?" Probably no one, I'd just be happy to get some alone time. You make it sound like guys need round-the-clock socialization and emotional support. Everybody's has different socialization needs, but some of us introverts can be happy with pretty small amounts. Just because we don't like being alone all the time, doesn't mean we can't be happy with being alone a great deal of the time. I'd honestly be more concerned that a relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 03:02 PM |
| 2 | Would You Be Willing to Date/Marry a Childfree by Choice Person to Have Love?"should we be rejecting these zealots as well for their position on life becoming their entire identity? 🤔 Should they just be allowed to say, "I'm a mom/ I'm a dad and then expect them to shut up about it? " A lot of those can be quite annoying and there's a cranky curmudgeon side to me that would say yes 100% to them all shutting up. Though I'd say making your identity about doing something is at least more interesting and less annoying than making your identity about literally not doing somet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/23 06:37 PM |
| 4 | This sub really needs to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept"The problem is that "struggles in dating" is relative and not clearly defined. The average man will face a number of rejections and frustrations in dating and it will certainly be greater that experienced by a very good looking man. I think that should be fairly uncontroversial. However, the average man will also see some success in dating and sex as plenty of women are willing to date not-great looking men, and statistics show that a strong majority of men are getting sex. Therefore, the amount… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/23 05:55 PM |
| 0 | Would You Be Willing to Date/Marry a Childfree by Choice Person to Have Love?No, I want children so that's an obvious dealbreaker. I also find making every preference into a labelled identity and calling yourselves a "community," to be pretentious and annoying, so that'd be a bonus reason to reject anyone who self-identified as a "child-free." Just say you don't children, it's not an interesting enough lifestyle to build an identity around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/23 03:16 PM |
| 11 | Who is there for you through the highs and lows is of incalculable value"If a man earns $100,000 he is high value. What about a man who earns 99,999.99? " I don't support TRP reducing human beings to stat sheets, but I think this is a really bad argument against it. Your logic could be used to dismiss any categorization. Like: How do you define poverty? The federal poverty line? Well what about people who make $1 above the poverty line? They're not meaningfully different than someone who's at the poverty line, and the person who makes $2 more than the poverty line t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/23 03:13 AM |
| 1 | To the non-red pill men, do you agree with the notion that women ‘age out’ of their prime by 25? Why/why not?It depends on how broadly we define "prime." I think it's clear women are passing their passing physical peak at this point and nearly all of us are more physically attracted to women the closer they are to their physical peak. However, TRPers greatly exaggerate how soon and how steep this decline is. The decline from 25-30 is very, very, gradual, and for women who take care of themselves it can continue to be quite gradual till at least 35. I find plenty of women to be attractive throughout the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/23 05:19 PM |
| 16 | Red pill stuff if valid for both gendersThose are all things that seem like fairly reasonable and useful ideas. The problem is that's not the majority of the kind of content you hear most from regular internet Joes who identify with TRP. As such, I think this the brand is pretty much garbage, and people who advocate ideas like that should think of a different name. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/23 04:38 PM |
| 14 | The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rugYes, that's how it appears to me as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/23 02:01 AM |
| 9 | The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rug"STOP using autistic when you mean selfish assholes!!" I'm not. I'm using it as an explanation for a very specific kind of assholery. Things like hyper-literalness and not understanding the nuances of human communication where "Just be yourself, some girl will like you for who you are." Doesn't mean "You don't have to change anything about yourself and you will definitely find a girl," but is more like "be sincere, there's still hope," or something like that. There are lots of ways to be an assh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/23 01:50 AM |
| 2 | Women DO LIKE nice guys who treat them right - but men don't understand female language - CMVThis isn't how "female language" works, it's how human language works. It someone says a trait is important to them you cannot assume they mean that's the only trait they care about, unless they actually say it's the only trait. If a guy says he likes big breasted women, nobody just assumes he means all big breasted women. If it turns out he doesn't, in fact, like a toothless, disfigured, 600 lb woman, who also has big breasts, nobody thinks, "but he said he liked women with big breasts, guess h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/23 11:01 PM |
| 100 | The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rugThis kind of post is what makes it seem like TRP is largely autistic guys. For example, most people don't hear comforting platitudes and think "this is the absolute, literal, universal truth, I'm going to base my entire life around it," and then become severely disillusioned when it turns out life is more complicated. I'm not trying to shame people who's brain circuitry makes them take everything hyper-literally, but you're not helping yourself by thinking it was a devious attempt at deception w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/23 07:49 PM |
| – | Women aren't actively competing for older men." The match he chose is obviously better for both him and her." It's not obvious at all. People make poor choices all the time. Obviously, you should respect the choice and move on, nobody's arguing otherwise, but that doesn't mean you weren't in competition before the choice was made. "The social media groups "Are We Dating the Same Man" which men despise with their whole chests exist solely so that women can avoid competing." They're called "Are we dating the same man" not "Are we trying to ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Women aren't actively competing for older men."Most women don't desire a man who has a thing for much younger women," I'm not talking about this. I'm talking about the absurd idea that there's no competition among women over men. I mean it's not even true that nearly all women cease competing for taken men, considering cheating a thing that happens a lot, let alone that women aren't in competition for available single men. "but the moment I see that he prefers petite, indoorsy women, he stops being a prospect." But that's clearly not the on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 09:03 PM |
| 1 | Women aren't actively competing for older men.But the only thing we can sure about the man who chose someone else is that he chose someone else. If you and another woman both strike up conversations with the same guy on a dating app and he picks the other woman, that doesn't mean you and the guy wouldn't have been compatible had he chosen you. In fact, in some cases the match that didn't happen would have been the more compatible match. Just because you decide after the fact of him picking someone else that you're not compatible, doesn't ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 06:24 PM |
| 64 | In the US, why are Republican couples happier than Democrat couples?I'd guess it's because democratic women are more likely to be steeped in feminism and left wing feminism basically makes a virtue out of women being unhappy about their men. Any acts of service in the relationships that would traditionally considered being a loving supportive partner are counted against the man as part of the patriarchal oppression. Even just listening to a husband and offering encouragement gets labelled as "emotional labor," rather than simply being viewed as something people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 05:38 PM |
| 4 | Women aren't actively competing for older men.You wander off because you lost the competition. Just because you can be a graceful loser and accept defeat (and we all know even that's not the case for all women, cheating husbands and boyfriend couldn't exist without women being willing to compete for the attention of a taken man) doesn't mean there was no competition to begin with. Are you really claiming that you won't even talk to a man or show any interest in him, if there might be other women interested in him, or that women cooperativel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 04:06 PM |
| 6 | Women aren't actively competing for older men.Women pretty clearly do have to compete for men as it's highly mathematically improbable that each women would want a different man and there is going to be no overlap in who they want. That said most people don't spend hardly any time thinking about this competition at a macro level, and they certainly don't act out of some concern for the state of the dating market. There is likely some jealousy involved in older women criticizing men for wanting younger women. Everybody wants to be attractive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/23 03:15 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Men don't want older career women because they're insecure and intimidatedWhile it's not a deal-breaker, I've always had a preference to dating and marrying a woman who makes less money than me (or at least not significantly more) because it would make my work seem less purposeful and meaningful if it's not necessary for the sake of providing for the family. It's really as simple as that. I have no desire to control or dominate, I'd just like my pay-check to having meaning because it's putting a roof over my family's head and putting food on the table. As for not want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/23 08:31 PM |
| 2 | Most women basically see men as machines that provide for them and give them material things.Well with the lions the female both does the child rearing and is the breadwinner (or gazelle meat winner as the case may be) for the family, I doubt women would consider that an improvement. If anything nature shows that sex-roles are very much a function of biology, but manifest themselves in different ways with different species. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/23 05:43 PM |
| 1 | How do you define "manipulative" behaviorIt's not one or the other. If you make a decision that a logically grounded understanding of reality indicates will fulfill your desires and match your values, then that is a rational decision. It could be rational and also immoral if your values involve hurting other people, so rationality shouldn't be the only metric of a good decision. Humans have limited and varying abilities to be rational. However, an upright person does not try to take an advantage of those limitations or increase them, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/23 09:17 PM |
| 13 | The idea that these countless men who are struggling to get their equivalent are somehow ALL overrating their own appearance is just disingenuous. There are some men who do, sure but as a whole the disproportionate number of attractive men who have voiced this same complaint cannot be ignored.There are 5 million people with autism in the USA. If just 10% got into the Red Pill and make a post whining about how hard it is to find women to date, that'd still be 350 internet posts every single minute 24 days a week. And that's not counting the the other mental issues he mental issues like high social anxiety that may not be autism. You just don't have a solid grasp of population numbers and how content a very small percentage of people can generate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/23 08:48 PM |
| 19 | The idea that these countless men who are struggling to get their equivalent are somehow ALL overrating their own appearance is just disingenuous. There are some men who do, sure but as a whole the disproportionate number of attractive men who have voiced this same complaint cannot be ignored."Say what you want, but hoards of men of all ages are experiencing the same thing." And you're basing this on what exactly? Internet comments and posts in internet communities devoted to the topic? There's something like 165 mil. men and boys just in the USA. If just 0.001% of them write 1 whining red-pill post a day, you'd have a new whining red-pill post every minute of the day 24/7. And that's just from the USA. People truly have no mental grasp of how huge the world's population is, and how … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/23 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Should people protest this issue, if they believe in it?Maturation is a very gradual continuous process. It's not something that has hard easily definable boundaries, and the process certainly doesn't care about birthdays. As such, it only makes sense that there'd be a gradually decreasing moral gray zone continuing past where we arbitrarily decide to put the legal line. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/23 06:00 PM |
| 3 | How do you define "manipulative" behaviorLegitimate strategy = Viewing women as rational beings with free will and trying to become the kind of guy that emotionally mature and healthy women will freely choose with eyes wide open. Examples: Women are more likely to want attractive men, so you do what you can to look nice, women are more likely to want men with jobs and ambition so you don't laze around the house all day, women like romance so you be romantic, etc... Yes these may change a woman's actions from not showing interest in you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/23 04:52 AM |
| 2 | Most women can’t admit that they care about looks just/nearly as much as men because they see themselves as the sophisticated and non-primitive gender as opposed to men.I agree that the phenomenon of women downplaying their superficiality exists, but I think you greatly exaggerate how much of this because their ego is invested in thinking they are superior to men. A lot of it is just gender roles about what's polite to say. It's not acceptable for either gender to bluntly say everything that is on their mind, but traditionally it's more acceptable for men to be direct and blunt. Also talk amongst members of the same gender (aka locker room talk) is inherently c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/23 01:27 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Foreign brides make better wives for American men than American women do and American men make better husbands for foreign brides than foreign men do (from that same country).The 14 per 1,000 figure is how many got divorced in ONE YEAR, as a percentage if the married pop. OP is citing stats for how many marriages ultimately end in divorce, which is obviously going to be much higher than the yearly rate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/23 01:56 PM |
| 2 | An Important Question About Some Men's Love LifeThere's nothing wrong with wanting to be a woman's first and last love, but like with any standard you should make a clear-headed decision about what this is worth to you. Are you willing to risk life-long celibacy for this dream, or are you willing to sacrifice some of the "magic" and romantic idealism to not be alone. Are you willing to marry someone who is very unattractive if they have no relationship experience, or is it more important to find someone you're attracted to? There's no right o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/23 07:32 PM |
| 1 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport Bros" It doesnt, you can exclude married women from the results and i did exclude them." It's still including married women as part of the dividend from which the percentage is calculated, unlike women out of your age range who are taken out of calculation entirely. For example, limitation you put on the search is 18-29, then it will spit out 99.9% (some bug must keep it from giving 100%), because it's telling the percentage of people 18-29 who meet your standards. On the other hand if the only limi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/23 06:14 PM |
| 2 | Men still do more emotional labor than women in a relationshipOne would think that even if you're really terrible at picking up sarcasm, the phrase "that is a joke'" might have given you a clue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/23 04:39 PM |
| 1 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport Bros" I dont get your objection here, of course id set an age limit, choosing to not date 76 year olds while I'm in my late 20s is a petty reasonable exclusion." You're completely missing the point. You list the age requirement likes its mathematically serving the same role of the other functions. You make it sound like 7.87% is a percentage of all women who meet your age requirement, weight requirement, etc... When, in fact, 7.87% is the percentage of women 18-29 yo who meet all of those requiremen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/23 03:31 AM |
| 2 | I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport Bros" Women aged 18-30 who are not overweight, ummarried, childless, with a height between 5'3 and 6'1 and an income at $0 or more constitute 7.87% of the american dating pool." Actually, if you read that calculator, it's saying that women who are "overweight, unmarried, etc..," make up 7.87% of women who are aged 18-30. The age range is the dividend here (or total "dating pool") that everything else is a percentage of, not one of the fractions. For example, if you put in 18-85 you will actually see… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/23 09:20 PM |
| – | Question for everyone : How can you sleep at night knowing you “plugged into” somebody else’s money via marriage or a partnershipUnless they are using deception or coercion, why do you care? It's a personal choice that doesn't effect you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/23 01:11 PM |
| 4 | CMV : Beauty is relative not subjective, and now we are all compared to the images on our phonesI think personal taste may play a bigger role in beauty than red and black pillers acknowledge. Obviously, there's some objectivity in that certain looks attract higher number of people than others. The question is what does this curve of beauty preferences look like and how many dissent from the majority view. I've been aware for a long time that my preferences seem to be outside the mainstream. When a TV show would have a character that was picked in part to be really hot ( like part of the pl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/23 02:06 PM |
| 9 | Discussion : Women are not complicated in their attraction, just indulge in your NATURAL masculine behaviour and they’ll be drawn to itYou seem to assume all men are outdoorsy extroverts. Those who are, are likely already doing these things and they're doing just fine with women. To a lot of us the social activities you say we naturally enjoy aren't things we enjoy at all (at least not in large doses or with more than a small circle of friends) and our main motivation to try it is to find a relationship. I don't think there are any men who are not social because they think it's a great strategy to find women. We're naturally no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Confused about how open and emotional guys are expected to be?Think about the story-arc of a traditional male protagonist in a movie. He's not a robot, but he shows his feelings in very subtle ways, those close to him have to work to get him to open up more, and even when he does he doesn't become a slobbering mess. Go to Netflix and watch "A man named Otto," for a great portrayal of this. While not all women are attracted to this model of masculinity, there are still a lot of people who prefer this version of masculinity over a heavily therapized obsessed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/23 02:28 PM |
| 3 | Love doesn't existI think the problem here is that you're creating a binary between one-sided and transactional, when these aren't the only two options. Transactional means the immediate motivation is selfish: for example, I do something kind to you and in return I expect sex. It's wrong to think all interactions in a relationship are always this way - it's entirely possible to be motivated to be kind to your partner because you want to see them happy and not because you're thinking about what you get out of it. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/23 04:58 PM |
| 3 | Love doesn't existFrom a practical standpoint the way a person makes others feel is a part of that person. But if you really want to get into the metaphysical or ontological task of trying separate the existence of "a person," and a person's characteristics like how they make others feel, then you could reasonably question whether "persons" exist at all. There being a person with a continued identity that experience a lifetime could simply be an illusion created by an organism using memory and an idea of the futu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/23 01:19 PM |
| 6 | Do you think the red pill could actually help lonely men get laid and get in a relationship?I am unsuccessful at romance, but I don't think this precludes me from taking a hard pass on the red-pill. All you have to do is observe a few things. 1. Do Red Pillers on here seem like a happy group? 2. Can you easily step out of your home and observe people in happy relationships from a wide variety of attractiveness levels. For me that's a clear no and clear yes, and that's enough to reject what I'm seeing from the pill people. I probably agree with some of the redpill critiques of feminist … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/23 11:56 PM |
| 12 | I think the red pill is morally wrong in almost every aspect.It's kind of like the word "feminist." Self-avowed feminist will respond to any criticism with "feminism just means women should be given equal rights, how you can oppose that unless you're a sexist?" While that might be what you find in the dictionary, clearly the people who most self-identify as feminist have given the word quite a bit more meaning for better or worse. Likewise, with people who want to defend the red pill label. They pick the most obvious and benign tenets of the ideology as i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/23 12:12 PM |
| – | Ironically, interacting more with girls is what got me redpilled, not Tate or whoeverEven if that's true, so what? Sexual attraction for both men and women is based on a combination of mutable and immutable traits. As such, it's never been fair, and obsessing over which gender has it worse is just a pointless waste of life. I'm a short guy so I get that it's a raw deal. But in terms of the raw deals mother nature hands out, it's honestly one of the more benign ones. You could have been born paralyzed, with severe facial deformities, with severe mental handicaps, etc...and whethe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/23 03:21 AM |
| – | Ironically, interacting more with girls is what got me redpilled, not Tate or whoeverSo to sum up, you've discovered that women have a strong preference for tall men who display traditional masculinity and that's there's a lot of competition for attractive women. If that's the red-pill, I suppose I am redpilled too, but these strike me as rather obvious banal observations. I'm not sure why you find it so disconcerting it's effecting your mental health. You don't have to worry that you've fallen into an extremist rabbit hole by recognizing these things. I think these things have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/23 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?It's possible, but let's be honest you're really just pulling numbers out of your ass with the 5%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?According to the above study close to 40% of men 18-24 are getting it weekly or more, and this is true of 50% of men 25-34. There aren't nearly that many men who are 6 feet tall or who have 6 figure incomes, let alone men who have both. Also, it's not like these are completely static categories, we can assume a sizable chunk of men in the categories of only getting 1-3 times a month or less are in-between relationships and will later move into weekly category. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?Morbid obesity definitely does not prevent people from dating, a trip to the local Walmart should dissuade anyone of that notion. I don't think BPD does either though it likely hampers stable relationships. These things will definitely significantly shrink one's dating pool, and if one is morbidly obese and only willing to date attractive people they may be out of luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?What's wildly exaggerated is that you have to be in an elite level of appearance to have romantic or sexual success, and that average people are doomed. Ideas like you can only be successful if you're 6 feet tall and have a 6 figure income, or that 20% of men get all the women. These sorts of ideas get repeated ad-nauseam in the pilled communities, when just cursory glance at the real world shows them to be absurd. But they help to protect the ego of the at most 30% of men who are completely uns… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 11:18 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?Could be, but that still strikes me as a high estimate for how many people have those kind of conditions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?Single doesn't mean sexually inactive, nor are those all perpetually single people. According to this survey: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066?widget=personalizedcontent&previousarticle=2767063 roughly 60% of men age 18-24 are having sex at least 1-3 times a month (close to 40% weekly or more, and over 20% 1-3 times a month). This goes up to 75%-80% for men 25-34 (50% weekly or more, and about 30% 1-3 times a month.). But I don't disagree with black-pillers th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 10:37 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?Based on the appearance of people I see paired even 5-10% giving up seems high. But it partly depends on whether one is okay with dating within their league. If you're in the 5th percentile and you can only be happy with someone in the 50th percentile, you might be out of luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 09:53 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?Average to even slightly unattractive men "getting laid" isn't some super lucky event, it's the norm. The vast majority of men are sexually active. Yes, in the majority of cases it's going to be with women that also quite average. Those who've been conditioned with a steady diet of porn or even just tv/movie stars might be unhappy with those options, but it's hardly the dystopian fantasy of black pillers. Sorry, but the black pill is just a fantasy a lazy subset of men tell themselves to feel be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?"Black pill says if you aren't born a Chad, you might as well give up." This is a theory that could only thrive in the age internet echo-chambers among perpetually online internet hermits. It's literally even more bizarre than flat eartherism. At least, flat earthers have the excuse that proving a round earth requires taking the word of scientists, satellite imagery, people who have circumnavigated the globe, etc...Literally all you have to do in order to prove that non-chads can have romantic s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?Yeah some guys do care about height, but a lot of the preference goes in the opposite direction you seem to think it does. Many prefer shorter women and don't want to date women who are taller than them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Is "trying" overrated?The "stumbling" into love and relationship is a rom-com myth tailored to condense romance into an entertaining 90 min. story. Even real-life "how we met" stories are condensed versions of reality that leave out the boring parts. Your Dad may have met women more organically than via online dating. However, he still had to actually get out of his house / apartment, and be around people in order to have a chance at "stumbling across a girl," and he still had screw up the courage to actually talk to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/23 02:31 PM |
| 3 | How has dating changed substantially in the last ten years?A quick glance at actual studies that have been on the topic suggests there's has been a decline in men having romantic success, but not nearly to the extent depicted by Reddit red-pillers. For example, the percentage of young men completely striking out sexually has risen to about 25-30%. Some people have too fragile of an ego to accept that they're in the bottom 25th percentile of romantic success, so they latch onto internet echo chambers that exaggerate how much of a dystopia dating has beco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/23 02:18 PM |
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