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Was that in doubt?
/r/MensRights16/10/15 08:50 AM
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The law is not the only force existent in society.
/r/MensRights16/10/15 01:06 AM
-1

Make it more concise, then I'll read it.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 07:27 PM
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unjustified assumption And that's where you're wrong. which means she is free to do this again to anyone who didn't know her prior to her conviction Everybody is free to do it again, whether they've been publicly named or not. punishment in itself, It's not a punishment, it's a side effect. yell at everyone Wow, that's pretty funny. My comment saying "Let's not name a juvenile just for revenge" is yelling. Okay. Sorry for making you uncomfortable with a differing opinion. insults, you'll just co…
/r/MensRights13/10/15 09:56 PM
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considering your behaviour here has been in line with theirs in the past, Be specific. I said that I would ban the person or otherwise take care of anyone who made death threats - that is incentive, is it not? No, it is not. Why do I give a shit who you ban or "take care of" (easy there Capo)? I don't like you and your sub, remember? I hope the place gets worse for you, not better. All I did was identify to everyone else that you were trolling. Disagreeing is trolling now days? Receiving a death…
/r/MensRights13/10/15 12:34 PM
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This is a brilliant tactic. Rudely ask people to go to a bunch of effort to prove something to you, and offer absolutely no incentive. Then when they sensibly refuse, crow about how you've now proven them wrong, because absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Today is "open season" on normally banned subs from SRS. I'm banned from SRS. I stated a plain, and uncontroversial fact. It was my first ever post there, and they banned me for it. You know why? Because they're insane SJWs who are so a…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 10:07 PM
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and has the capacity to do so again 1. Everybody has the capacity to hurt others, the question is whether that capacity exceeds some threshold of unacceptable likelihood. If she was dangerous enough to go to prison for all of our protection, and we let her out while she's still dangerous, why on earth did we just let her out? If we let her out, but she's no longer dangerous, why bother having her wear the scarlet letter? 2. This girl is 16, she's still got a great chance of turning it all around…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:28 PM
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Yup, exactly.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:16 PM
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That's not what a loaded question is. It's not just any question that contains an assumption.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:46 AM
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...and still no attempt at a cogent argument. "Leave my team alone, don't say mean things about us", lol. If you can convince me it's worth my time to help you, I'll happily provide you with all the proof you'll need.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:34 AM
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young lady Aka 'child', yeah? Everybody seems to want to ignore that part. It's a critical difference.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:17 AM
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Why would I care about convincing the moderator of a hateful, irrational brigading sub? You probably told them to do it, for all I know. Really, you make it clear that your opinions are fragile Haha, some people have an irony bypass. In a subreddit that -300'd a comment because it went ever so slightly against the narrative, you've put on your little green hat to tell me my opinions are fragile. Why not just cut to the chase and say why you think I'm wrong without trying out all your pop psychol…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 09:07 AM
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So then what's your point? That we should all collectively punish people regardless of their conviction?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:28 AM
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So you want her punished, but prison doesn't count?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:18 AM
-4

You need a hug, bro?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:16 AM
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if there's no punishment for crying wolf She got a 6 month sentence.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:14 AM
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Haha, well...you're kind of being not much else than obtuse. There's a difference between me being obtuse, and you just not having a good point. This angers me Is that the ideal place from which to develop an opinion? could literally destroy a person's life and ability to generate income. Figuratively literally, yes. It is a problem of the last 15 years and it needs to be addressed. And the only way you can see to do that is to prosecute people for being truthful?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:10 AM
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Yup, that's exactly what I was saying. You're allowed to murder people until you're 18. That's exactly what I said, isn't it?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 08:02 AM
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Wouldn't you? Would you be livid? I'd want a great many things if I were the victim of a false rape accusation, but then again, I'd be literally the least impartial person in the world at that point, so maybe nobody should take me too seriously? Surely that can't be the totality of your argument? Just "You'd want it, so it should be law". Do you have any idea how much stuff I want? Does that mean the government should give it to me just because I want it? My personal desires are no basis for a s…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:59 AM
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Keeping her anonymity teaches both her and other young women that they will not be named should they commit a similar crime. Yup. If they're not going to be named, what's the problem with them being taught that? the men in this case should never have been named. How can you have a situation where the police are secretly charging people for crimes in a free society?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:43 AM
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And the only way you can see of doing that is to forcibly prohibit innocent people from saying things which are true?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:33 AM
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You'd like to stop people from saying a thing which is true?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:21 AM
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what's with the edit? The death threats, mass downvoting of anybody not toeing the party line, the fact that all my previous comment history going back a week has been downvoted within the last few hours, that one line insults get upvoted handsomely. Those are the reasons I feel comfortable writing off this subreddit as just a bunch of twats. Everybody says these SJWs are this way, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. But no, what people say about them is true.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 07:07 AM
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Yay for assumptions!
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:57 AM
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Why are you sure of that?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 06:49 AM
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It's been bad here, but the very first time I posted to SRS was just to confirm what the age of consent was in my country. The entire comment was 3 characters: "16." I was literally banned within 3 minutes. I think those crazy bitches still have their edge.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 05:50 AM
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Yup, I made this account 8 months ago, and patiently posted comments in anticipation of the day I could finally break on to mensrights with a 5 year old story.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 05:42 AM
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Well in hindsight, obviously. But in reality, I don't see enough in the article to say one way or another.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 05:32 AM
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it seems to work Telephone scams seem to work. Mugging seems to work. Date rape drugs seem to work. Something being effective does not mean it is morally acceptable. do you disagree in general or do you believe this was a special case? I disagree in general. I don't believe any component of someone's sentence should be about anything other than their own crime. To illustrate: if the time required to rehabilitate someone was proved to be 1 year, but the time required to create a deterrent was 2 y…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 05:29 AM
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What do you specifically suggest?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 05:11 AM
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It's the people who've replied to me, and PM'd me from here. I don't know about MRA's in general, or other civil-rights advocacy movements.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:48 AM
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That still doesn't mean we should make people wear a scarlet letter just because they committed a crime that hits a moral nerve.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:44 AM
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Because let's ruin as few lives as possible?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:42 AM
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in accordance with the rules or standards Ah, good, then that's exactly what happened in this case, so you all good now? without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage. Ah, again, all good here to. Or you could stop deliberately misunderstanding me, and actually try and nail down some usable definition of what constitutes fair. Except you can't because... unjust [...] fair [...] should ...because everybody has their own opinion about what "should", what is "just", what is "fair". Rather …
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:38 AM
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Her life should be ruined. Why not just cut off her feet, or sell her as a sex slave to Boko Haram or something? That seems reasonable.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:26 AM
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Neither can I, because I'm not.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:24 AM
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Yours is the comment that's amused me the most so far.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:22 AM
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I don't know what country you're from but in mine I consider the sex offenders register a disgrace. Either you've served your time or you haven't.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:20 AM
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Good idea. Apart from if you want a free society, but apart from that, good idea.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 04:06 AM
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When you say someone's a child, you make it sound like she's 8. No, I make it sound like she's under 18.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:52 AM
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Tricky issue with a lot of nuance. Maybe on a case by case basis we could give someone discretion to Judge that. We could call them a... I dunno, we'll come up with a name.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:50 AM
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she's not a child [...] She's 16 lol
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:36 AM
-11

Do you consider your 16 year old self a "child" Yes. Mind you, she was in a sexually active relationship with this guy, AND fucked another guy. Then cried rape. Child? Still yes. What the fuck are you talking about? And how is "naming" her to the public so wrong? If only there was a whole thread where I describe what the fuck I'm talking about that you could just read before asking that question.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:34 AM
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Well shit, you sure told me.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:32 AM
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I think that makes her responsible enough to have her name and photograph printed Right there is where your opinion is. edit: You're pathetic, I'm just gonna disable inbox replies. Go ahead, waste your time. Wow, that's a fast meltdown.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:31 AM
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This sounds exactly like "aw she's only young, aw," you know. Then I don't know what to do for you. I'm saying the reason why young people should be treated differently is because they present a very different situation to adults. They're still emotionally, physically and psychologically malleable. They're more susceptible to having their rights violated in prison. They have a different capacity for understanding the consequences of their actions. They have less capacity for understanding the pa…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:29 AM
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Telling people that they will go to prison if they commit X crime is a deterrent. A thing having the effect of deterring people is not the same as giving a specific person some aspect of their sentence that is there for the sake of deterrent.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:23 AM
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In the eyes of the law she is responsible enough to take for a child. I think that makes her responsible enough to have her name and photograph printed in one of the shittiest newspapers in the UK for making a false rape accusation. That's just a statement of your opinion, rather than an argument in support of it. This isn't about gender, it's about being held accountable for your actions Yeah, and children are considerably less accountable than adults.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:18 AM
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It's about punishing someone for their crimes, and saying "Hey other people, if you do this crime, this is what will happen". If that were true it would be fine, except it's just not is it. What deterrent means is adding extra punishment to someone for the sake of deterrent, otherwise the deterrent factor is just incidental. What people are saying here is that she should be given extra penalties that the judge does not think are required for vengeance and rehabilitation, just because it would be…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:14 AM
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This isn't about getting even. Unless you're admitting that the only reason that men are named in rape cases while women get to remain anonymous is to get even with them? I can't really make sense of that. Because feminists never seem to care about false rape accusations Not that I'd use that term, but obviously I believe in women's rights the same as anybody else's, so I guess I'm a feminist, and I certainly care about false rape accusations just as much as I care about rape. For instance, Bill…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:08 AM
-15

Are you really saying that deterrence is not a legitimate reason for punishment? About 6 or 7 times in this thread alone, yes. Additionally, if you're old enough to fabricate a rape story and attempt to ruin the lives of multiple innocent people, you're old enough to be treated like an adult. Go on.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 03:00 AM
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is just treating people consistently - one way or the other How about we treat everybody as best we can, even if that means half the time we fail? The fact that you want the girl to have the wrong thing done to her, just for the sake of being even, is perfectly illustrative of what I mean. The wrap on you guys is that you don't really care about men's rights and having a more equal society, it's that you're actually just interested in racking up points for whatever social group you perceive your…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:59 AM
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I'm not familiar with all your hashtags and memes, but do keep having fun with them.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:48 AM
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Our justice system uses deterrents all the time to try and stop future crimes. That doesn't make it right. This article is several years old I believe and people have falsely accused others of rape since then. Yes, in general. Can you point to a specific crime that was committed by a specific person that would not have been committed had this girl been named? Obviously you can't, since that's completely unprovable, and if it's unprovable after these alleged crimes are said to have happened, how …
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:47 AM
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This sounds like the kind of tit for tat thinking everyone is telling me nobody here is doing.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:36 AM
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Folks seem to want a more solid answer as to why she shouldn't be named along with the innocent other than "She's 16". It's not because "aw come on guys, she's only young, aw", it's because she hasn't finished developing as a person yet. Whoever she is now is not who she will be in 10 years, because she's still a child (or was, this article is 5 years old).
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:35 AM
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but if the victims names were said then hers has to be too. That's self evidently untrue. but you can't name victims and not the perpetrator or else you're giving unfair treatment to the victims. Define "fair".
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:31 AM
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You're absolutely defending her. You see I disagreed with you until you just insisted a bit more, and now I'm totally convinced. Exactly what I've come to expect from someone who has to let everyone know they're a Dance Machine in their username. I'm a gril, by the way.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:28 AM
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If you can show me two cases that are identical in every way, I'll agree that sentencing should be equal in every way.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:26 AM
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How does that work in practice though? Do we: a) Release the name of all 16 year old rape victims, in case it turns out later they're lying? b) Release the names of everyone found guilty of every crime, regardless of judges discretion? c) Don't release anybody's name who's been accused of a crime, until they're guilty? a) would be ridiculous, and b) wouldn't be much better all for the sake of some useless notion of cosmetic equality. c) is downright dangerous, since you can't really have a secre…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:23 AM
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aren't all punishments partly to deter hypothetical other people from committing crimes that may or may not happen? 1. That wouldn't make it right. 2. It really depends what you mean by 'punishment'. Punishment, according to my dictionary, is about revenge against the person for what they've already done. In the real world, everywhere I'm aware of generally works in some kind of deterrent factor to their criminal justice system. And that's fine so long as you believe you're allowed to detain som…
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:17 AM
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I'm not defending her, I'm attacking people's stupid points. And take it down a notch, Nancy Grace.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:08 AM
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"Men" are not the equivalent of girls. She's 16. I'd be just as likely to want anonymity if the genders were reversed.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:06 AM
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It's not supposed to be a competition.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 02:03 AM
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Yeah, fuck nuance, and paying attention to the details of the case.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:40 AM
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Few laws are perfect, and you shouldn't just follow them... unless you're like a judge, or a the police, or something. FTFY.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:38 AM
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Actually, the men in this case were named before the ruling, and yet the girl retains her anonymity even after the ruling. FTFY.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:35 AM
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Haha, what?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:30 AM
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What does that even mean?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:29 AM
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troll I remember when that word had a meaning beyond "wow, someone doesn't think I'm right? He must be faking".
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:22 AM
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That's not the most sterling logic I've seen.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 01:05 AM
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Who needs to make sense when you can just dismiss anyone you disagree with as a troll!
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:43 AM
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Wow, that's a really solid argument.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:36 AM
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How are they supposed to un-release the boy's name?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:31 AM
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She also remains a child.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:22 AM
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Yeah, it's a real shame. From the outside it seems like these guys might be on to something, then you actual engage with them, and it's just a jacuzzi of shit. I hope there's an actual group of people out there fighting for real men's rights issues, rather than this circlejerk.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:08 AM
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Of course, because if someone disagrees with you, it must just be that they don't understand your undeniable truth, since you're incapable of being wrong.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:05 AM
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Wouldn't it therefore be twice the injustice if she was also named?
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:04 AM
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Justice has to be blind. But not dumb. Tailoring sentencing to fit a given situation is not necessarily the same as gender bias.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:03 AM
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I get that you're trying to be laconic, but it's just coming off as unclear. Do you mean "yes we would be doing it for both reasons", or "yes, one or the other"? If you mean "yes, both", then we would be "punishing this child as a response to hypothetical other people committing crimes which may or may not happened in the future". Again, that's antithetical to justice and rationalism.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:59 PM
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So you're pro-injustice so long as it's gender blind?
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:53 PM
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That's just a rephrasing of your original comment. You're not really saying anything new.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:51 PM
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you have already made up your mind. Well, I don't think I have, but I wish you would make up yours - would be be naming her as a way of dealing with her crime or as a deterrent to others? You seem to be saying both things.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:50 PM
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So that's just it then - forever? For every single crime, regardless of age, that shit should stay around your neck forever?
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:32 PM
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So we would be punishing this child as a response to hypothetical other people committing crimes which may or may not happen in the future? I don't see how that's just or logical.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:30 PM
-74

Then isn't that the problem?
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:27 PM
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Really though? Do we really need to name a child just for the sake of "getting even"? edit: To anybody who came from /r/all with an open mind like I did: you can turn back now. Complete shit show below here. It's pretty obvious their real reason doesn't go any deeper than "I am a man, so I like team 'Man'." These MensRights guys are exactly who you suspected they were. edit 2: Thanks for the death threats and thanks for the fact that my last 7 pages of posting history are now uniformly about 5 p…
/r/MensRights11/10/15 11:24 PM
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Online pictures of people holding text become super credible when they confirm my bias.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 01:41 PM
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