Grouchy_Toe2404 Archive

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7	red pill true in real life You adressed it about others. But didn't consider it could be true to you as well.	/r/ExRedPill	16/02/24 06:18 PM
10	red pill true in real life Confirmation bias	/r/ExRedPill	16/02/24 06:14 PM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change I explained this in my other post, but I will try to summarize it here for the potential onlookers: It's SERPs who are trying to change their beliefs, and therefore it's their responsibility and their time to listen when someone tries to help them with that. If they are left confused, it's on them to ask questions. I don't see why misguided attempts would make them more committed to TRP. If they are here, they are already seeing some of the issues with it. If someone disagreeing with them in a c…	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 07:37 PM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change I actually see the opposite more often, but I assume we are both biased. I guess the core issue is that ERPers think that they are the biggest victims of RP, but it's not correct. There is no doubt they are victims, and there should have space for processing their involvement, especially in this sub. But this ideology actually hurts women more than the RPers. Remember that it actively fueled political and religious extremism in the past decade. Women are literally having their bodily autonomy ta…	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 07:17 PM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change Edit: I did check the links you mentioned and realized I did go through them before. I thought it was something new, but it really wasn't. I'm confident that I understand the concepts and I'm under the impression that NRP feminists do too. It's RPers who don't understand what they are saying (assuming well intentioned ignorance). Just to be clear, I am an ex-RPer feminist. I personally think that I do show leniency for people who genuinely want to get out of the RP headspace, but plenty supposed…	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 05:55 PM
2	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change Well, most of the posts are made by supposed ex red pillers who still spout RP BS. And when people tell them what they got wrong, they get defensive most of the time. Some arguing until it gets personal, then another ex-RP jumps in to defend the RP BS the OP said. I agree that a flair would be useful.	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 05:38 PM
3	Is it true that most women are sexually submissive and have rape fantasies? Why are you worried, if you don't mind me asking? What matters is that you know what you don't want and you can communicate that. And if someone pressures you or does it anyways, you can recognize it happening.	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 11:42 AM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change But why don't you include an explanation of the concept in the post itself? I've been wondering a lot about why it almost looks like the majority of posts are RPer posts, and I guess this is it. Posters commonly jump to the point expecting answers about the thing they didn't write down. RP isn't a monolithic subculture either. I was an RPer some time ago but I didn't keep up for the sake of my own sanity. I'm happy to deconstruct the stuff I used to believe, but how can we compare beliefs if the…	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 03:21 AM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change I'm sorry this is how you've been living your life. I can't imagine how it must feel to live with a mind where a simple observation is "mewling". Times have changed, you don't have to act tough all the time anymore.	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 02:49 AM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change How do you answer meaningless questions? You point out how the question is the wrong one. Imagine I asked you why a year had 30 days. Imagine you explained that a year is roughly 365 days, not 30, that it's months that have 30 days on average, and that a year is divided into 12 months. And you say roughly because a planetary year is different from a calendar year... And then I get angry with you for "not answering my question" and repeating it, demanding another explanation.	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 02:45 AM
2	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change Without non red pillers, this would be just another RP sub...	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 02:37 AM
1	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change If someone critizises you, they are sensitive. Letting others talk down to them... I bet you would consider it weak. No one can argue with someone coping this bad.	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 02:34 AM
9	Is it true that most women are sexually submissive and have rape fantasies? What concerns me is why do you want to know? Why do red pillers care? Studies like this are interesting, for sure, but I'm afraid that many people care about this only because they want to justify violence against women. Realistically, the only women whose fantasies are relevant to you are your consenting partners' who choose to share them with you.	/r/ExRedPill	12/02/24 12:42 AM
32	What's the point of ditching the black/red pill when nothing will change It sounds like you expect us to convince you to do the work. Check the science, self reflect, etc. We can't do that.	/r/ExRedPill	09/02/24 06:23 AM
18	Something I noticed reading The Rational Male Logic isn't important. Their arguments are poor and only good enough to be repeated over and over to indoctrinate those who interact with the ideas.	/r/ExRedPill	08/02/24 06:17 PM
0	Am I wrong to feel like average women have been hyped up so much to the point where now it’s exponentially harder to date as an average man? That's good then. How about social media, ig, etc.?	/r/ExRedPill	16/01/24 10:04 AM
3	Wanted to unload how I feel about charisma, league, etc.. If you don't feel like it's worth it, simply don't date.	/r/ExRedPill	16/01/24 09:55 AM
1	Question for men who have been in a relationship with a redpilled woman what was your experience like? I don't know if this answers your question, but to my shame, I did follow moderate RP content in the past. I can't speak for my partners of those dark days, but I will try. I think they had a pretty easy time with me. See, if women want equal treatment, they will have to assert themselves daily. (Even now, in a loving relationship with a man, we have to point out bad habits, that come from patriarchal beliefs, to each other.) This assertion can be a huge source of conflict. Many men wouldn't lis…	/r/ExRedPill	16/01/24 01:52 AM
3	Am I wrong to feel like average women have been hyped up so much to the point where now it’s exponentially harder to date as an average man? This whole rating system messes you up. You put yourself down while also objectifying women. You are too concerned about what others find attractive, how it affects everyone, and ruminate about it. You don't need all this negativity to find a partner. It's natural to want physical attraction, but it looks like you don't really feel it unless someone is unusally attractive. In my experience, that is a sign that someone uses too much visual stimulation, if you know what I mean. Is this something y…	/r/ExRedPill	16/01/24 12:49 AM
7	Am I wrong to feel like average women have been hyped up so much to the point where now it’s exponentially harder to date as an average man? So you still have women to meet irl.	/r/ExRedPill	16/01/24 12:34 AM
4	How many of you dated cluster B women? I think that is a fair observation to make. At the sam time, it would worry me if this many men jumped to a generalized conclusion, especially if the very same men would expect women to not do the same. There are plenty of great resources for abuse victims, even here on Reddit, so there really isn't an excuse for men to turn to these ideologies instead. For the record, I did date a woman with ASPD in the past. (I didn't know it at the time.) And I didn't end up thinking that all women I date wou…	/r/ExRedPill	16/01/24 12:29 AM
6	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? This is a strawman argument. I never said it was unethical (as long as there is no coersion). And I don't think it should be stopped or whatever. It's the participant's choice. What I'm more interested in is why men like you or OP are so desperate to partake in something that doesn't serve them. You try to measure your worth based on how many people you can stick it in, when both of you are too drunk to remember the next day, or how flattering of an image are you able to photoshop of yourself on…	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 11:24 PM
2	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? For hookups? Probably. But dating isn't just hookups, either.	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 11:06 PM
7	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? The science is also looking clear, hookup culture only benefits a fraction of men. And then these observations will incorrectly bleed over general approaches about relationships (like RP). Also, see my edit.	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 10:22 PM
9	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? Yes, I would, while emphasizing that I respect their choice. Just like here. Edit: and oh, by the way, we are adressing a particular issue here. Trying to partake is so discouraging the OP that he doesn't even meet his friends. Of course I will suggest a change, not to shame them (as there is nothing to be ashamed of), but because that's what I think would help him. If a woman complains that her casual dates are disrespectful to her, I would tell her to quit casual dating. Not because it's someh…	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 10:14 PM
5	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? Are you sure you intended this as a response to me?	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 06:55 PM
14	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? I said not as much. I know plenty of women who go out with men that aren't conventionally attractive. You also seem to have an attitude problem. I don't intend to downplay your difficulties and say that change your attitude and it will surely change the outcome, but I'm also sure other women sense this attitude, as well. You also talk about "sexual success". That is clear RP ideology. In my opinion, hookup culture is toxic. You are free to participate, but for the average man, it's going to be a…	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 06:06 PM
14	How do I not grow resentful of my better looking more sexually successful friends? As a woman, I have a feeling that you care about this way more than the women you and your friends meet. The fact that this is ruining your friendships/social life is your sign to go to therapy.	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 05:27 PM
20	High dating standards are certainly a big reason for more people being single and/or lonely Oh, please. Women had been told to put up with BS we would never tolerate from ourselves. We are waking up. No need to be upset about it. And even if we had standards "too high" (whatever that means), what do you expect from pointing it out? In my mother tongue, there is a saying "It's not the bun that's too small, it's your mouths that's too big." You can call someone greedy but it won't make them magically satisfied with less. You also make the assumption that people with high standards are un…	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 08:45 AM
3	How did the Red Pill and the Manosphere spread to the mainstream? More women have degrees now than men. That's correct and also irrelevant, unless you suggest that men cannot deal with women having opportunities in education. The switch (and that's a generous term) in statistics isn't a switch in dinamic. There is a major difference, and that is that the inequality in gendered opportunities are subsiding. Men can still study if they want to. In the past, women couldn't do the same. Competitive mating in humans is a myth. Men not being able to compete is not a …	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 01:36 AM
4	How did the Red Pill and the Manosphere spread to the mainstream? There was also no strawman or prejudice as I didn't judge you as a RPer, I said you sounded like one. You're not wrong about society changing, men not finding their place, not having role models and being slow to catch up with changes. These facts should never be excuses and maybe you didn't mean it that way. But also, please recognize that in other context, pointing out existing patterns to explain a group working to opress another wouldn't be acceptable. Imagine if there was a surge in racism …	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 12:50 AM
10	I feel like there’s such a common characterization of relationships as meritocractic on anti redpill/incel subs that’s so frustrating People don't owe you their company. They don't owe it to you, even if you're a good person, even if they give it to a bad person. People don't owe you to consider justice when they choose to date or reject you. Our society should strive for equal rights for everyone. Dating isn't a right. This is a space for people who want to learn about human rights, specifically women's rights, on a deep level. It's not a space to argue about some men's non-rights. If you think fairness in dating is important…	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 12:33 AM
4	How did the Red Pill and the Manosphere spread to the mainstream? You sound like some of them.	/r/ExRedPill	14/01/24 09:33 PM
5	Is it shallow to want to be physically attracted to the person I end up with? It's perfectly okay. Just don't focus on it too much. I haven't seen your post, but I suspect that you simply gave off the wrong impression. Exit communities are and need to be heavily moderated, because extremists will do everything to re-recruit people to their communities. I see it in this sub every day. Plus, it can also be triggering for some people. Some people try to quit the habit of reducing women to their appearances. Conversely, plenty of women have trauma about being objectified arou…	/r/ExRedPill	14/01/24 06:27 PM
1	How did the Red Pill and the Manosphere spread to the mainstream? Thanks, you get it!	/r/ExRedPill	14/01/24 06:08 PM
2	How did the Red Pill and the Manosphere spread to the mainstream? Unfortunately, it is. Edit: yes, downvote me for stating that misogyny is very much the norm still. Apparently, y'all think women's situation is fine and rosy.	/r/ExRedPill	14/01/24 04:03 PM
33	Two dates, she mentioned a third, I asked her out, she said no I'm sorry, but what you're describing isn't asking her out, you're asking her to plan a date with you. She doesn't have a specific bar in mind. Cool. You pick now and make a plan. Edit: and I'm sorry to be that person, but the fact that you take her response as rejection, make up a whole scenario in your head and get angry about it is a big red flag. Maybe heal first, before dating?	/r/ExRedPill	14/01/24 12:18 PM
1	why do some girls date guys twice their age? Why are you surprised they do? Are you biased?	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 08:50 PM
1	So what do ex red pillers believe in now ? I wish this was true, but it's not. That's how PUA "dating coaches" earn a living.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 08:34 PM
1	How do I avoid the type of women redpill warns about Refraining from dating and being in therapy is how.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 08:32 PM
1	Never been under the influence of trp, how's it like? I think you're right.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 08:15 PM
2	Never been under the influence of trp, how's it like? But the RP kind is.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 08:12 PM
2	Never been under the influence of trp, how's it like? Most of their teachings aren't useful and obvious. The useful and obvious examples you give aren't unique to RP, nor do they make most of their teachings.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 02:55 PM
3	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens So your comment is irrelevant to the topic. Spammer.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 02:42 PM
5	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens Not quite, and we aren't them either.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 02:31 PM
5	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens See my edit.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 02:25 PM
7	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens What the hell are you even talking about Edit: okay, so I see that you require further explanation. You seem to indicate that hierarchy is decided through fights. Do animals sometimes fight? Yes. But the physical fight you're describing cannot be used to decide social roles, because then everyone in the group would die, except for one member. You must recognize this. And if you order the individuals by their fitness for a fight, then you can't compare every member's place, so it's worthless to t…	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 01:57 PM
10	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens Social hierarchies exist, but not the way you are describing. In great ape communities, leaders are NOT chosen by physical attributes but social skills. This includes an ability to cooperate with others. People who deem themselves superior to others, are more disagreeable than others, which means they would be an unfit leader by these standards. In other words, if you insist on using these terms, then by your own definition, anyone who uses them, is not an 'alpha'.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 01:39 PM
7	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens No such thing as alpha. And what do you mean by dangerous? Every human being can be dangerous.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 12:26 PM
34	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens In other words, attraction depends on the two people's personalities. How shocking. Also, categories like alpha or beta, at least the way RP describes it, simply don't exist.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 12:19 PM
4	Never been under the influence of trp, how's it like? It's an ideology and/or subculture that tries to justify misogyny with pseudoscience. The followers are roughly either 1) men who hate women 2) teens who had been groomed into it through social media 3) women who fell for the pseudoscience. The effects must be obvious from these.	/r/ExRedPill	10/01/24 11:53 AM
2	Age gaps relationship It's a troll	/r/ExRedPill	26/12/23 05:25 PM
2	Age gaps relationship What exactly is your problem? I responded to the OP and you're just throwing insults at me, no explanation. Edit: and now you deleted your response. I asked a semi-rhetorical question and after OP answered it, I explained my thoughts about his past, which is the purpose of this sub. Some random person then attacked me and now it's just insulting each other, and somehow others are joining in. Maybe read my statements next time, because this is some incel-level BS. Edit2: yeah, delete it again. I …	/r/ExRedPill	26/12/23 12:24 AM
1	Do redpillers understand they are abusive? It's just that OP's question isn't if they are abusive, rather if they know it or not. I'm not trying to nitpick here, but first it came off as if you were saying that us wanting them to change was abusive.	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 11:36 PM
1	Do redpillers understand they are abusive? It is and I think I misunderstood you previously. Maybe you wanted this as a response to someone, not as a single comment?	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 11:28 PM
2	Is the rise of Andrew Tate simply the result of a nihilistic consumer society? I agree with you but not for the reasons you are giving. Humans have been coming up with BS justifications to take things from each other since forever. Now it's sx and red pill. Earlier, it wasn't called red pill, but they still used victim blaming to justify rpe. People had been coming up with entire ideologies and religions to take power, land, resources etc., or at least to justify hurting those who had them. It's nothing new at all. Tate, among others, provided excuses that many men were al…	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 11:25 PM
4	Do redpillers understand they are abusive? All men belong to prison. It's okay to say it as long as I don't put them there. Capisce?	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 10:59 PM
2	Do redpillers understand they are abusive? Be abusive?	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 10:56 PM
2	Accidentally dated a red pill without realizing (my experiences) I would only call someone red pill who identifies with a certain set of beliefs, that they also don't consider mainstream. The issue is, most of these things are VERY mainstream. RP is just a symptom of these societal beliefs. Kind of like Nazism - it builds on people's existing prejudices but backs it with some pseudoscientific explanation. So I wouldn't necessarily call your ex a RPer, just a guy with bad influence. Which, in a way, is more terrifying. The way I view RP is that it's a terroris…	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 10:48 PM
1	not even trolling, what is a red pill? Educate is a strong word...	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 10:26 PM
2	OF is a void filler OF is a void filler... for whom? Because it sure helps fill the viod in the creators' pocket, but the people who actually use it to meet their emotional needs are... well, you guessed it. It's the subscribers. It doesn't matter if you or any other RPers view sx workers as "wife material" or not. If you have ever willingly watched prn in your life, you don't get to judge the participants, and if you do, well, you're a hypocrite, and therefore not husband material for any sane person. And don't co…	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 10:21 PM
4	Age gaps relationship Shocked by her age? Man, that's another RP lie to face. The Wall, amirite? I think you would benefit from therapy, if you have the means. It's much more useful than random strangers like myself. Either way, good luck! Oh, and edit: you don't have to wait for your GF to pick up on it. Be honest about your struggles.	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 10:02 PM
3	Age gaps relationship Well, that's something to work on, then. That's the issue with being easily manipulated. It doesn't just hurt you, it makes you easily radicalized. (Maybe it's a reach, but maybe this is why you're attracted someone way older? It's not necessarily bad, just something to consider.) So far, you didn't have a chance to gain your own trust, because you were looking at other people's opinions, so it's natural to doubt yourself. If I were you, I would start by practicing intuition and ignoring unsolic…	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 09:47 PM
-3	Age gaps relationship It's winter. But you wouldn't know.	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 08:05 PM
24	Age gaps relationship Claims? Not necessarily? Bro, you care more about other men's opinion of you than your own opinion of her. That's not a ground strong relationships are built on.	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 08:04 PM
2	Age gaps relationship Do you mind her dating history? Do you think she's an old hag? Edit: This is a rhetorical question that OP responded positively to.	/r/ExRedPill	25/12/23 07:50 PM
2	Thinking of ending my relationship because of anxiety caused by redpill beliefs Yes, it is. So what if she breaks up with you after being vulnerable with her?	/r/ExRedPill	23/12/23 03:08 PM
16	Thinking of ending my relationship because of anxiety caused by redpill beliefs You say you have too little experience when it comes to men, so you believe them. You also say you have too little experience when it comes to women, so you don't believe them. That IS misoginy. The way you talk about your girlfriend is also telling. If you break up with her, she cries a little, and gets over you? That sounds very dehumanizing. So what if you DO open up and she IS a jerk about it. Then you will be the one crying (at least figuratively). Why is that worse? OP, after reading your …	/r/ExRedPill	23/12/23 02:08 AM
8	Thinking of ending my relationship because of anxiety caused by redpill beliefs Please do open up to her. Please tell her you love her. By not doing so, you might do the same thing to her as what was done to you. If she doesn't respond to your feelings well, she isn't a 'good one' as you put it. Look further. Please consider this. So many men think that this experience is unique to them, and yes, men are told to hide their feelings because it's 'not manly' or whatever. But this is something that women, too, experience, although for different reasons. Because in theory, wome…	/r/ExRedPill	22/12/23 08:08 PM
6	Why are specifically male suicide rates so high ? Yes, but it doesn't mean they get depressed more often. But they are less likely to ask for help.	/r/ExRedPill	18/12/23 06:25 PM
22	Why are specifically male suicide rates so high ? They blame everything on feminism, or women in general.	/r/ExRedPill	18/12/23 06:24 PM
17	Why are specifically male suicide rates so high ? Actually more often.	/r/ExRedPill	18/12/23 06:23 PM
15	A mini story on how me (23M)listening to the “redpill” fucked up my chances of dating with a 19F I met at the club. Plus rant. You're still more hung up on dating than being decent. I'm saying this in the least judgemental and most compassionate way possible.	/r/ExRedPill	17/12/23 04:41 AM
1	What are alternatives to redpill/PUA/manosphere stuff that can help men be better with women? It sounds like you're doing great then. You don't really have to change your behaviour compared to being friendly. The only change is that you also have to let them know that you're interested in them. I think this is the part that guys like you struggle with. Here are my tips. If you met in person, ask for her number at the end of your first conversation. After chatting or talking on the phone for a while, ask for a date (make sure you have a specific plan wirh her sense of safety in mind). Whe…	/r/ExRedPill	17/12/23 04:38 AM
14	Should I break up with my boyfriend when I turn 30 because he believes in the wall? Leave him now. All red pillers are misogynists, no exceptions. The idea of the wall exists to justify cheating - people who believe in it are cheaters in the making. You've been surrounded by bad men all your life, who gaslit you into thinking that you're losing value with each day. Even today, you sound uncertain in forming your own opinion about things like red pill, and it also sunds like your fear interferes with your life. I suggest that you go to therapy. Ask yourself why staying single so…	/r/ExRedPill	13/12/23 11:22 AM
11	What are alternatives to redpill/PUA/manosphere stuff that can help men be better with women? This might not be the answer you want to hear, but learn to befriend women first. I know you want more, but you won't know how to talk to us or understand us if you can't do that. I don't say this as that 'this is a part of a learning curve', I say this as I don't think you should date unless you know how to be friendly to women. The idea that you can jump into dating sounds entitled. I don't say this as to offend you, but to point out the overlay of what I assume those misogynist communities le…	/r/ExRedPill	09/12/23 10:43 AM
7	Are they harmless? I dare those people to say this to those with family members who fell victim to an incel shooter.	/r/ExRedPill	07/12/23 04:06 PM
16	Women of r/exredpill what is the most important quality(ies), when it comes to men? Respectful of other people. Particularly their rights. I'm not interested in anti-choice, r-apologist, fundamemtalist etc. men. Things like racism, homophobia, admiration of dictators etc. are also red flags for this. Genuinely likes me. Not an image he has about me. Not what I have between my legs or how I look. But as a full-blown person. Generous / true provider mentality. They don't view everything in relationships as transactional. So many men think that being a provider is about finances a…	/r/ExRedPill	05/12/23 01:10 PM