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I absolutely agree. I am a woman and have often turned men down but offered friendship “if that’s something they’re interested in, but I understand if it’s too complicated or you don’t think it’s a good idea.” I think it would be ridiculous to bare said men ill will for not wanting to be friends with a person they’re sexually attracted to or romantically interested in knowing there’s no chance for either. That said, I will tell you from experience that really often men say yes to friendship unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:10 PM
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Hate to say it but the same thing happens in the 30+ demo, I’m a 30 y/o woman and NOT interested in dating someone under 28-29 for various reasons, and people keep popping up that say 30-31 but then their bio says “actually I’m 24.” Truth about online dating is people have started making it just a game of who can get the most swipes and doing whatever they can to trick people/the algorithm. Chill out, get over it, it’s just OLD stop taking it so seriously and you’ll enjoy it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 08:30 PM
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I think most women are aware of the privilege of being treated differently based on how attractive you are. That said there are some women who don’t see themselves as attractive/have low self esteem and therefore actually don’t realize they are personally benefiting because even though the world sees them as beautiful they see themselves as gross. I think it’s especially true of girls who were not attractive their whole lives (I was a VERY awkward teen and one of the only black girls in my major…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 11:57 AM
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People say all kinds of shit in their profiles. Men do the travel thing just as much, and the WORST fucking one: “I have a great sense of humor, 6’1 if it matters.” If you have to say “I have a great sense of humor” you don’t have a great sense of humor. If you’re listing your height you obviously think it matters. Also the newest one I’ve been seeing: “just looking for someone to check me for ticks.” I’ve seen it in both male and female profiles. WHY?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 07:53 PM
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This is the most stereotypically straight male take on homosexual culture I’ve heard in a long time. As a bi woman who has been a part of the LGBQT community since my early teens, I can say pretty conclusively that you’re just flat out wrong. Also it’s absolutely a myth propagated by heterosexual men who feel threatened and uncomfortable with the idea that women can have fulfilling sex lives that don’t involve dick that lesbians have lower sex-drives or have sex significantly less frequently tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 10:06 AM
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I did read the rest of your post, I just disagree: On point one I disagree with the word “expected.” I don’t think the majority of women EXPECT men to protect them beyond the natural human reaction to seeing another human in a state of danger or peril. It’d be pretty weird to see a person of any gender being attacked or harassed in a dangerous way and just sit there smoking a cigarette or chatting with a friend. When men “play heroes” it’s because of their own feelings that that’s the “male” thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:22 PM
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First of all I think if a woman is being attacked or harassed on the street ANY PERSON would want to help. Men are more likely to do so because they tend to be physically stronger. Most women are not physically capable of fighting most men, it’s just truth. I don’t think any woman feels “entitled” to the protection of male strangers or even asks for it, men who are good dudes just provide it because, well, they’re good dudes and have the capacity to do so. What women mean when they say men are “…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 09:45 PM
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Within the gay community sexual openness is actually very normalized and even valued as an expression of pride by many. And everything else you said is, well, just kind of not true of MOST women but I’ve explained why already so I won’t repeat myself. The stigma is VERY real and is talked about on this sub all the time: “women with high n-counts” being viewed as not “girlfriend/wife” material.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 03:29 PM
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I mean men DEFINITELY have a preference for more attractive women as well. If horny and looking for a ONS a lot of guys will go for the hottest girl he can access. So really your problem isn’t that women’s standards are too high, it’s that men’s are too LOW. I’m starting to think women are just way better and masturbating than men are. When we’re horny but no one measures up to our standards we just take care of our own damn selves til we find someone “worthy.” Maybe what really needs to be norm…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 02:12 PM
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Yes exactly. It’s not actually that women “don’t get horny” unless a guy is 6ft+ and ripped and looks like a model, it’s just that we have a lot holding us back from ACTUALLY going out and having sex when we’re not in a relationship/marriage or looking for one that men don’t have to deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 02:00 PM
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I do think on any app: no one wants to respond to a “hey, how are you?” Or a “like” on a picture with no words. I would respond to that on hinge, I’d never expect a response if I sent one on bumble.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy05/07/20 01:20 PM
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I think you’re using two specific women you found posting on reddit as an example for “all women.” I think most women would NOT have berated their partner for forgetting their order until he cried. That’s not “what women do” that just sounds like a shitty and abusive girlfriend. Read a little bit about “love languages” and “attachment styles.” There are several and different people see different things as expressing “love,” and respond to expressions of love differently. It doesn’t fall on gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 12:31 PM
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What I’m saying is women get horny all the time too, but we don’t act on it as often because there are huge social stigmas around women acting like “sluts,” and also because sex is a bigger physical risk for us when its with someone we don’t know (we are usually physically smaller and have to deal with the fear of being taken advantage of if we show ANY interest in a guy, and also the risk of pregnancy: even if we use protection it’s always a LITTLE BIT STRESSFUL to think about sleeping with som…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 12:03 PM
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I understand where you’re coming from but I think you’re missing the mark. Women get just as horny as men, we’re just better at ignoring it and less likely to lose our heads and go out and fuck someone we’re not that attracted to just to get off. I don’t think it’s because we have impossible physical standards, it’s because sex is a much riskier activity for woman than it is for men both socially and physically so we’re more likely to think about who we’re doing it with and if it’s “worth it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:27 AM
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I don’t know if I really agree and I’m IN one of those places, but I think if you pick one hook up buddy and stick with them it’s fine, or just take 2 weeks between hook ups with different people to be sure? Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 03:10 PM
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I actually think some women have it about THEMSELVES. I’m not one of them, but when I was growing up/in my teenage years I sort of did, and I know women that still do. What I mean is that it’s not actually about the guy they’re with being the “Madonna” it’s about feeling like if you actually like a guy and want a future you don’t want to risk being SEEN as a “whore,” so you might act differently when flirting or in sexual situations than a guy you don’t care about/don’t care what he thinks. I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 02:04 PM
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I just think there’s a way to do it at least mostly responsibly, even if you aren’t 100% isolating
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 02:14 AM
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No I don’t mean don’t be direct ultimately, I mean if you see a girl across a room and think she’s hot and you want to ask her out, and then you approach her and immediately act like you want a date it’s going to seem like (and legitimately is) you’re only attracted to her for her body. Doesn’t matter if you’re Leonardo de caprio, that’s unattractive. I don’t think it’s manipulative to cool it and try to have a conversation with someone and maybe gauge their interest before you decide to ask the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 02:11 AM
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As somewhat of “the young” myself I honestly don’t think it’s that hard on us. It’s just asking us to be empathic human beings a little bit and limit our behavior for the sake of others and the whole world. Not that hard. I think it’s way harder to be legitimately fearing for your life because a bunch of people my age can’t go a few months without drinking booze in a group of more than 5 friends or keep their dicks in their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 01:53 AM
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Maybe a little because looks are the first thing a person sees before you talk, but it depends more on the amount of “game” they have. The trick to flirting with girls is to make it as unclear as possible that you’re flirting at first so we don’t immediately put the walls up and start weighing the question of whether you’re date worthy. I’m not saying looks don’t matter. Obviously they matter, but a guy who is hot but comes on too strong/acts like he can just “have” you (which is A LOT of stereo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 12:46 AM
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To have sex? We have standards and I think it’s a good thing to have standards. They’re not what you think they are though and someone doesn’t have to check every box to get laid, just enough boxes. Also if in one box they really excel it can very much make up for one or two that don’t measure up especially if those one or two are physical. I almost married someone who was bald, a little chubby, and had a high school education because he was VERY funny, smart, and charismatic and it just kinda m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 12:03 AM
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True but unless you have some terrible STDs and don’t use protection the consequences are usually not indirectly passed on to the whole world and everyone’s grandmas.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 12:00 AM
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I was really just responding to the “looking through a bunch of duds” comment. I’ve been on apps for about three weeks, probably been on 6 or 7 dates in person and just...no chemistry with anyone. Some of them have been good looking but no one I connect with enough to want to do it, especially not in pandemic world where “doing it” or even having someone over in a way that would be casual is sort of it’s own commitment now. It’s just really hard to predict what you’re going to feel when you meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 11:07 PM
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It’s exactly the same for girls honestly with online, and in pandemic world online is the only option. I don’t even go to anyone’s house it’s just outdoors unless you’re quarantine bae material.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 10:46 PM
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I don’t expect them to stick around but it’s fun and passes the time. If I’m into one enough to make make him lockdown bae I’ll do it I just haven’t met any I like that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 10:37 PM
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NOPE it’s around! Seriously great job don’t wear a mask, you’re the one that’s gonna die Boomer!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 10:35 PM
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Yeah if it’s one person and she’s not with anyone else either that’s no different from established bf/gfs continuing to see each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 10:27 PM
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Yeah but it’s really irresponsible. Young people might not be dying as much but they’re still spreading it to people who might. Selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 10:27 PM
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Dumb ones are. I’ve had some guys from apps try to hook up and I think they’re idiots and say no. From what I can tell most people are pretty respectful though and dating right now is a lot of 6 ft distance no contact/masks on walks outside etc...I also live in a place that is NOT bad corona-wise. If I decide to hook up with, or even kiss/touch, someone right now it would have to be mutually monogamous for be safe and that’s not something I want with anyone at the moment so I haven’t been doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 10:21 PM
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Again, I think the preference is there but unless it’s an extreme (yes it’s going to be really hard date if you’re a man and 5’3) I don’t think women who otherwise like someone and find their other qualities attractive would not date someone because he’s average-below average height. I DO believe a lot of girls might actually use height as an excuse to justify to themselves why they’re not attracted to someone who they like talking to a lot and seems kind. I’ve definitely been in situations wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 08:55 AM
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Hah! What about the way I write makes you think I’m “not in the 10% of women?” And I would definitely want to live in a world where I could take my shirt of and not have guys ogle and yell shit at me. I think it would be awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 08:26 AM
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Yes, and I definitely agree, things like body language and how you interact with someone is HUGE in terms of attraction. I think the way you carry yourself is actually considerably more of a factor than how tall/muscular/whatever a person is. Not to mention things like the way someone smells (I don’t mean just hygiene, natural smell) and the tone of someone’s voice, lots of things you’re not going to pick up on until you meet them in real life. Not to mention there’s a type of charisma some peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 01:22 AM
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Sounds like you’ve had some bad experiences and are projecting them on “all women.” I also think you can enjoy someone’s company and not be attracted to them, and often that has nothing to do with their physical appearance. That’s what Online Dating has taught ME.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 10:51 PM
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I think most people will choose a real connection that they’ve made over the possibility of a connection they haven’t made. If you think women aren’t into you because there are “taller guys in their pocket” it means they’re actually not into you for other reasons in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 10:46 PM
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It depends how the person uses social media. I don’t use mine very much at all, and rarely post anything so I often won’t post a “couples picture” or do that whole deal and it doesn’t bother me if the other person doesn’t either. When it feels bad is when it seems intentional. I had an ex who in 4 years I don’t think even so much as “liked” a post I made (and yeah I don’t post a lot but NEVER). It wouldn’t have even bothered me except that he liked pictures etc that all his female friends posted…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 05:39 PM
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I have one best friend who is straight and male. We’ve been friends for 10 years, and even housemates for awhile when we were younger. Our relationship legitimately feels “sibling like.” We actually even kind of look alike. I’ve had many people comment and ask about it because we’re both above average physically attractiveness by a lot of people’s measure and many don’t understand how we don’t have any sexual feelings or history. We made out once years ago when we were both really drunk and it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 04:58 PM
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Because meeting someone in person is honestly ALWAYS better and most people feel that way I think, tinder is just easy to pass time between in-person meetings. I do know maybe two couples who met online (Tinder/Hinge) and are still together and seem really happy but that’s two out of god only knows how many friends who have the app.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:47 PM
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Plenty of people do have preferences on weight/coloration as well. Weight especially I think is even more stigmatized then height for both men and women, and I DO think OLD makes it much more of a “dealbreaker.” People have physical preference, that’s true in person and online, but in person people aren’t “shopping for their type” because you can’t really “shop” the same way. If you were hungry and like apples and someone gave you an apple you’d probably be like “hey awesome thanks” and legitima…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:24 PM
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Or they’re there for different reasons, meaning their priorities on an app aren’t necessarily their priorities in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:33 PM
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I don’t think they “magically transform” I think they might not think much about your height if they organically start talking with you somewhere in person (at a bar or wherever) and are having a good time/feeling chemistry the way they would if it’s a number written down on a profile of a person they have never met and have no impression of. I also think it’s about mindset. Going on an app is like going “cruising,” you’re there actively thinking “who in this pool of people is date-worthy.” Meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:31 PM
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I think this is a really interesting and important topic! What I think is different: -when you meet someone in real life you see them for who they are, not an option in a stack of hundreds. You might not have necessarily gone out that night expecting or even wanting to meet someone, but that person was just interesting enough to attract you and make you want to know them. That’s a big one. -when people meet in real life I think they’re less picky, especially physically. When you have that stack …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:21 PM
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I like it to be pretty equal, early on in the relationship I tend to be a little more dominant and take charge but that’s just because I don’t trust the person yet. In an established relationship equal is best but I’m always of the mind that if you’re “taking the lead” on something you should also follow through on the decision making with in: meaning, for example, I hate when someone says “hey are you hungry want to go out to eat?” And then asks me where we should go. If you want to go have din…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:18 PM
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This definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:41 PM
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Plenty of very beautiful and attractive women who absolutely have the opportunity to be with classically handsome men still don’t want to be moms: sometimes for periods in their lives, other times ever. Having kids for a woman means sacrificing pretty much the rest of her life and body to another being. For the women who want this I think it’s a wonderful and beautiful step to take, but some of us just don’t, or don’t right now and might never. Nothing to do with what type of guy we could get. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:40 PM
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Well I also think context is important. Maybe disinterest for average-below but I don’t think that will make people actually less attracted to female bodies in a sexual context. The fact that I see shirtless dudes all the time doesn’t mean I find whoever I’m dating/sleeping with less attractive, and probably that’s the only context in which it’s important? Maybe not for all women but that’s how I’d feel, I would not mind being physically objectified less often because guys are more used to boobs…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 04:56 PM
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Yeah I would, and the fact men can walk around shirtless doesn’t make a good male body less attractive, I don’t think it would be any different if women could do it too. If a guy with a good body takes of his shirt a lot of women look even though being shirtless as a man is not a “sexual act.” Just like men, there are probably some women you wouldn’t want to see with no shirt and some you would. They’d just be less “gross” about it in my opinion. It would be more like seeing someone on the stree…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 12:14 PM
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It actually kind of seems like you don’t, but if you want to talk more about that feel free to message me and I’d be happy to finish this debate: The reason I’m not spending more time on this here is because it’s not actually the topic OP intended in this thread, and was also not at all the main point of the response I gave to the original prompt about modern marriage rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 07:04 PM
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To be honest, I feel like I’ve explained this already.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 06:53 PM
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I don’t know what “choices” your talking about and that doesn’t add up because a lot of the reason the wage gap exists is that it doesn’t happen intentionally. It happens for reasons systemic to our society and male/female dynamics in a work place. No ones like “oh let’s pay women 20 cents less on average because we can if they’re women.” That’s illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 05:33 PM
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Yeah because they’ve never actually tried anything with a lady that doesn’t involve their peens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 05:27 PM
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https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap this study controls for years experience, credentials, all that Also most of the stats you gave me are for “wage growth” meaning is there a difference in how fast their salaries are raised year to year, a couple show some other stats that don’t exclude “80 cents on the dollar,” and also they’re in percentages. 4% difference could very well mean “80 cents on the dollar” depending on the numbers we’re looking at, but for an individual making 80 cents to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 05:14 PM
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I mostly expect this person to ask me “how lesbians know when they’re done” next.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 05:08 PM
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...I’m not even going to respond to this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 05:07 PM
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I agree with the first one, but enrollment is about equal women just graduate slightly more often (maybe because they mature a little faster so are more likely to make it through school and not fuck up as 18-20 year olds). The fact that they graduate more often means the ones who do are more likely to get jobs that require a degree than anyone (male or female) that does not have that credential, but in those jobs they still only make about 80 cents on the male dollar on average for the same posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 03:54 PM
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Absolutely agree. I'm a woman and I feel the same way. How many people you've slept with has nothing to do with how good of a boyfriend/girlfriend you can be. It could just as easily be that you're self-reliant and discerning, and would rather have no partner than the wrong partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 03:01 PM
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I don't know exactly but 3 men and more than 10 women probably less than 20 though? I didn't go back and count so that's an estimate. I'm 30 and female.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 02:57 PM
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I didn’t say it “will” I said it “could” with a shift that would start with legalization and regulation. And yes, I think over time it would become acceptable. 300 years ago it was way more acceptable for a girl to be a hooker than to hold public office. Culture changes because we MAKE it change. If we were to take steps to legitimize the work over time the perception would follow, and yes it would take some time and some work. So far we haven’t done any of the work as a society so yeah, not goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 01:07 PM
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Relationships are different now. In the time you’re talking about most women weren’t educated/making their own money. That meant they HAD to marry. Now women go to college as often as men do, and while we’re not paid as much most of us do have our own jobs/can to varying degrees support ourselves. Even boomer generation was still kind of in that mindset of “having to marry” from their parents even though many women from that gen. DO and CAN support themselves. That means marriage isn’t about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 12:53 PM
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What do you mean? Sorry I actually don’t know if I get the question...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 12:04 PM
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Yeah making it illegal isn’t stoping people from doing it, it’s just making it as unsafe as possible. And damn, yeah, not to mention that internet porn is sort of a “legal grey area” and still kind of the Wild West of no laws even though it’s gotten a LITTLE better, and it IS a mess. I feel like a lot of people up there probably don’t know they’re up there or didn’t want to be😬
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 11:34 AM
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No, notice that I said “legal and well regulated” not just “legal.” I think there’s a way to do it but it would take a lot work and a huge shift. I don’t think it’s an impossible future though, I just don’t think it’s going to happen over night and would likely be a very slow process to normalcy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 11:30 AM
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I think women who want hook ups have an advantage online because men online tend to be kinda sluts and will sleep with anyone almost invariably. Men who want hook ups have an advantage in real life because it’s a more socially acceptable thing for them to want and they won’t be shamed for trying and so it’s easier for them to try. Seems even already to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 10:52 AM
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I don’t think this would necessarily fix the issues with OLD but I do think it’s a really good and healthy idea. Also good for women because if it were legal and safe/regulated women could make big bucks that way and “sex work” would become a normal and semi-respectable job over time like waitressing or any other service job, and that would probably be good. That said I think OLD would remain kind of the same because it’s...free.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 10:47 AM
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Oh god there is no meal that is good enough to make it worth sitting through hours of very awkward time with someone I don’t like. No. I’ve been out with people I’m not THAT into just because it’s fun to go on dates sometimes but never someone I’m not into and I usually split the check.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 10:08 PM
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My point is that I don’t believe the traits associated with “alpha” (strong physique, tall, all that stuff) actually “arouse women sexually” as much as people seem to think. I think they’re traits women find “handsome/beautiful,” but I don’t think they have the magical affect on women people I’ve seen post here seem to believe. Again, I think online dating probably makes it look that way because of the way it’s set up: you’re pretty much choosing who to get to know further based on their physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 09:56 AM
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Sorry I can’t quote because I’m on mobile but your points in order: Yes of course it’s opinion but you’re talking about a whole philosophy that tries to make something that is perhaps more subjective and individual than anything else into statistics and I’m responding to it as such. I don’t know what divorce rates prove except that we live in a modern time in which divorce is much more acceptable than it ever has been, and women initiating divorce FAR AND AWAY more acceptable than it ever has be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 08:51 PM
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Yeah I just let that one go but 35 is reallllyyyy young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:21 PM
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See I do disagree with that though. Maybe not as a general statement of “women are more likely to be more open and adventurous with men they’re attracted to than men they aren’t” or “to men they’re MORE attracted to.” I think most of what I disagree with is the idea that women will always be “more attracted” to alpha men in the way “alpha” is defined by a lot of the dudes I see on here, and maybe I am just running into the wrong people but it seems like a lot of just extreme misunderstandings ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:18 PM
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Again, I sort of just disagree with that. Exploring sexuality I think has only ever made relationships of mine stronger. Never pegged anyone, to be fair, but hey if someone asked me to I’d probably do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 05:27 PM
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I’ve not fallen for the “alpha thing” many times in my life and turned down typically alpha people more than I haven’t. I also think the fact that someone carried RP philosophy, even if you have your logic, just makes you less attractive to women in general, and yeah it’s kind of obvious when people have this kind of mindset whether or not they define it as “redpill.” When men treat you like they know what you want without asking it’s...not cute, and that’s what this mindset kind of breeds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 05:11 PM
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No I said the opposite: I said I’d choose the 5-6 with personality over the 10 for either hook up or dating. Re read. “Be the best you can and get laid” is not a way I’ve seen that philosophy explained ANYWHERE on this sub. Obviously being your best self gets you laid, but all I’ve seen here is this “alpha fux beta bux” nonesense and a lot of stuff about how women are always gonna fuck the hottest guy in the room regardless of who he is. If what you believe is that you’ll get laid more often if …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:53 PM
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Yeah I agree, and if it’s a guy I’ve been with for a long time and we have mutual trust I’d do it on my knees. I don’t like the head pushing either but that’s just personal preference. Again, as long as it’s consensual for both parties I think any of it can be respectful. And yeah I feel way more sub as a girl receiving oral than giving, I was just using OPs example.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:52 PM
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Sounds like maybe this is a conversation that just isn’t for you. I also think the same is true of fucking men though (if that’s your preference)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:50 PM
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Yeah I did see it was a wikipedia and sort of ignore it as a source so maybe I’ll go back through when I have time and look through them. And all I said was the source you gave me only proved that a demographic of women that I imagine it works well with is susceptible. In my experience as a 30 year old woman with many female friends of similar age and experience, it’s not super effective with us. I won’t say never but most of us see through it immediately and laugh at y’all with each other after…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:50 PM
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I mean, again, I wouldn’t want someone to do that but some people probably are into it. What I really wouldn’t want is to be with someone whose love and respect for me would change because of a sexual preference I had. So that’s what happened I’d say good riddance and that person probably didn’t love me to begin with. Also it’s weird to hear someone talking about how to respect women in the same sentence as calling them generally “stupid.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:42 PM
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I didn’t just see “incels” I just saw “wiki,” ask any academic anyone: wikis are NOT credible sources. And yeah it wasn’t “just one guy” youre right about that, but it’s just a collection of “one guys” without any credentials writing about it on the internet. Should have said it that way. About source 3: it gives credence to exactly what I said it did in terms of the study itself-that marriages in which attraction falls are less likely to succeed.it draws possible conclusions from that data but …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:30 PM
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Yeah I mostly agree with the things you said, don’t even think it’s different reasoning just additional reasoning. I
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:23 PM
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I just disagree. What’s disrespectful about pleasing your partner in a way they’re requesting you please them? Seems way more disrespectful to tell them you won’t do that because what they want is somehow wicked and gross and depraved or whatever. That’s indirectly telling them that they, your partner, are wicked and gross and depraved for liking whatever it is they like. Hey, some people like getting pooped on. Not for me and I would feel pretty disrespected if someone tried, but I’m not gonna …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:18 PM
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Honestly no I liked him the way he was. I think if it were our first date and someone asked me if I could magically change it would I, I would have said yes. But we dated for five years and I got really close with him and just started associating his “dad bod” with all the stuff I liked about him and honestly wouldn’t have changed it for anything even if given the option. after we broke up I got kinda weirdly attracted to other people with dad bods too for awhile. Like, dad bods became hot to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:10 PM
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All those sources are flawed: Source one is “incels wiki” meaning it’s just some guy who believes this stuff with no credentials writing about it on the internet Source two is interesting but the study is only on “undergraduates in college” meaning 18-22 year olds and yeah, when I was 18 I liked bad boys too. Talk to some grown women who have actually had enough experiences to know what they value in a partnership. I do believe what this study says is probably true of a lot of 18-22 year old wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 03:34 PM
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Yeah but my point was what you said was not the type of data that I feel really proves much except that yeah if given a bunch of photos of guys and asked which is prettiest more women will chose ones with classically good bodies. That’s obvious. But that doesn’t mean that in a room of real people they’d choose a dumb hunk over an average person with brains or kindness. We’re not debating what physical beauty IS to most women, were debating how much it MATTERS on the scale of human traits in term…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 03:22 PM
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I wouldn’t say automatic “high standing.” I’d say if you’re REALLY TRULY SIGNIFICANTLY below average in looks it will be much harder for you, but I think even initial impression I’ll take a charming and funny 5-6 over a bland 10 any day. Even one I don’t know very well and even for a casual hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 03:19 PM
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It doesn’t seem like we’re talking about the same thing at all. I disagree with what you said, but it also seems like a new debate. The question was whether there’s such a thing as acts that are by nature disrespectful or degrading. I said no, what makes an act disrespectful isn’t the act, it’s how the act is performed. If someone performs oral sex on their knees in a bathroom in a consenting situation between two adults in which the man wants his partner to do that and feels good about it, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 03:13 PM
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Yeah true but that doesn’t mean men’s hormones are just stable consistently after puberty, they change too just not on the “menstrual calendar.” And yeah hormones change during your cycle but it doesn’t “make you crazy” the way a lot of men seem to think it does. If you felt like your insides were being pulled out for days on end and couldn’t stop bleeding from your genitals you might be cranky too but not fair to blame it all on hormones. They do make your skin shitty though which sucks. Hormon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 03:02 PM
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It’s the concept that perceived promiscuity in any way makes a women a good “hook up” but not fit for marriage or commitment. I’ve seen it all over this sub. It’s the other side of what OP was talking about: excluding acts because someone is your long term partner or wife and you would “disrespect” that person the same way you would a hook up even if the act itself might be fun for both of you. It’s just a weird misunderstanding of respect and consent in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 02:45 PM
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I’d like to see data showing that women value something like upper body strength over something like respectfulness or kindness. I know a university somewhere in Europe (may have been Germany?) ran a HUGE survey of women all over the world by partnering with a phone app to get data and found that this was actually not the case: top two traits women valued in almost every country were kindness and intelligence. Physical attractiveness (which the sectioned our into various traits-body and face) WA…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 02:36 PM
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They really are. I re-watched the Notebook as an adult a couple years back and was like “I don’t care that it’s Ryan Gosling, if a dude did any of that stuff to me I’d be SO SCARED.” That scene where he lies down in the road and say if she doesn’t go on a date he’ll let a car hit him!?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 02:13 PM
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I think once you’re in a committed relationship with someone for long enough you communicate much more non-verbally and can relax about it, it’s more early on that it’s important, and it’s not like every man has to go into sex thinking about the patriarchy or something the whole time and being scared he might violate a boundary, it’s just a general understanding that that exists and him violating a boundary is ACTUALLY just a worse thing than if she were to do the same even when a woman is in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 02:09 PM
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Yeah it’s a huge reason consent is so confusing to people I think. A lot of people understand that “no means no” in theory but don’t actually know what a woman saying “no” looks like because it isn’t modeled.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:55 PM
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I don’t get offended when men look at me. Doesn’t matter if I’m wearing something revealing or just a hoodie. I take it as a compliment. I don’t like if they’re aggressive but a glance or even a respectful compliment doesn’t bother me and even usually gives me a little ego boost which is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:19 PM
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On dating apps definitely. I think people in real life are too scared to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:14 PM
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Yeah. Exactly! Also the fact that apparently red-pillers believe committed relationships/marriages are for missionary only all of a sudden makes their theories make a LOT MORE SENSE. Of course their girlfriends and wives get bored with sex after awhile if they’re not allowed to express doing anything mildly exciting or different even if they want to. The fun of being in a monogamous committed relationship is continuing to grow and feel more sexually comfortable with each other as time goes on so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:11 PM
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Yeah even in the US that’s true to a degree. Watch any romance/rom coms and it’s always a guy being told no a million times and then never giving up until she says yes, sometimes showing up at her house etc... Then we get that stigma of “it’s only stalking if the attention is really not secretly wanted” which is SUCH a bad road to walk down.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:02 PM
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“Sufficient threat to their life?” That’s so scary 🙃 Time for jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:00 PM
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Doesn’t always “make you run away.” Usually one or both of two things are going on when a guy really likes you and you dip: You realize he’s way more into you than you are into him (maybe you like him but are still in the “get to know you” phase and aren’t sure) and feel guilty about it/don’t want to lead him on and hurt him. Sadly someone being “your ten” doesn’t always mean you’re their’s and it’s the responsible thing in that case to not use them for security and validation of knowing how muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:24 PM
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Agreed, but weird sexism that it’s looked at as a totally different thing depending on which gender is doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:19 PM
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Definitely not. Just speaking from experience. Maybe if you’re getting them hammered and taking advantage but that’s just makes you a shitbag. If we’ve been in a committed relationship for years and it’s what we’re into to doing it in gas station bathrooms? Yeah I could see that being fun. I’ve done stuff like that (maybe not the piss puddle cuz: ew, why not just move to a dryer spot) with long term partners. Never with someone I just met. Doesn’t matter how hot or charismatic they are. Don’t kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:17 PM
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I think she was just making a very dry joke. She never said she was feeling insecure because Clooney wasn’t all up in her DMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:13 PM
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? This is just biologically not true. Are you talking about like...PMS? I’ve never had PMS and been like “I’m not attracted to my boyfriend anymore.” I’ve maybe not wanted to do it because my whole body hurts for like 4 days during my period but not like I’m not attracted. And yeah both men and women have hormones that change throughout their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:12 PM
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For me it actually goes from lower at the beginning to much higher as we get closer
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:09 PM
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The thing about women is we LOVE talking to each other about our feelings and relationships. It’s one of the few female stereotypes that’s true. All those shows about “what it’s like to be a woman” where there’s a group of girlfriends meeting over brunch to share stories about their exploits/husbands/boyfriends? All 100% true. We talk to each other a lot about the people we’re involved with especially early on. I’ve heard “not really that into him but he’s hot and fine for now” about hook ups on…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:07 PM
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Yeah I think it’s weird sexism that men “stalking” is seen as a crime but not really looked at societally as “emotional neediness” which is where it actually comes from. Also weird sexism that women who follow a guy around and won’t leave him alone aren’t viewed as “stalkers” just as desperate emotionally needy and clingy girls that get laughed at. Food for thought
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:52 AM
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Two things: One I think often women come off as more easily damaged/emotional not because they actually are, but because they’re more comfortable communicating their emotions. That’s because most of us learn from society that it’s okay and even GOOD for women to express emotions, but if men do they’re seen as sissies or, on this sub, “beta.” That means women will tend to be more often external with their pain whereas men have been taught to internalize it. I think men and women are equally scarr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:49 AM
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Definitely not true of MOST women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:44 AM
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Damn I’d never let a man I DON’T respect “eat my arse.” Butt anything is definitely OFF LIMITS if there’s not respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:42 AM
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I actually think I am MORE sexually open with my long term partners than hook ups because I trust them more. In your example of giving head being a “submissive” act for women, I’m more likely to do that for someone I’ve been with long term who I trust because I know that person will not see it as a submission, but rather just something I am doing to make a person I love feel good because I WANT to do that for a long term partner. Sex for women when it’s with a man comes with this power dynamic t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:40 AM
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Yeah it’s all opinions I agree, but when people come out with this “my opinions come from empirical data” line I want to see some citations. And most of the stuff you just cited either doesn’t prove redpiller points (divorce rates, for example), or from what I’ve seen hasn’t been studied in a scientifically valid empirical way: so for example online dating. Of course it’s going to look like on online dating hot men are just matching with hot women, for two reasons: 1. Sampling errors: the type o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:17 AM
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I also think some people teach because they’re legitimately empathetic souls in real life who find value and gratification from helping others and don’t get paid nearly for doing it BUT.... Spending all your time “teaching” people what women want when you’re a man on the internet with no qualifications or pay? Yeah that makes me doubt how much you really have going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:05 AM
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The thing is I feel like on this sub “conventional unnattractive” means something really different than it does in the real world. I’ve dated people who are either overweight, or skinny/non-muscular, people who don’t have perfect movie star jaws, some people with receding hairlines/baldness. So yeah I’ve dated a number of people with conventionally unattractive traits. It has nothing to do with my impression of myself, I’ve had the opportunity to be with much more conventionally attractive peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:55 AM
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My thing is y’all are always talking about this “empirical data,” but all I’ve heard is people’s opinions and anecdotal personal experiences. No ones actually SHOWN me this data that apparently exists and when I’ve asked for it all I’ve gotten has been more opinions and anecdotal personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:29 AM
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100% agree, and if you speak from experience as a woman they mansplain your own feelings to you or make assumptions about what your life is like. And so with you on the long essays thing. So often I think “seems like if you’re having all this sex all the time maybe you wouldn’t be on reddit at like midnight every night getting in arguments?” 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:28 AM
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I don't think I want biological kids for various reasons but I still think about what my kids with someone I'm in a long term relationship might look like if I did want them. I don't think about it with dates though, just people I've been with for a long time and it's only ever good: like both of our best traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 01:21 AM
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That’s a nice quality too but I see having a sense of humor as both that AND making me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 10:24 AM
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Definitely not, but there’s really no way to prove this apart from giving you pictures of my past boyfriends and I’m not violating their privacy that way on the internet so I’ll have to deal with the fact a stranger might for no reason not believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 10:23 AM
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It’s not my main reddit account, just the one I use cathartically that I made a few weeks ago and I was looking at a picture of a ground sloth right before I made it. No real story. Why did you choose pooppeebuttmcnuggets might be just as good a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:35 AM
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Yeah I specifically said “he has to be maybe at least average looking” because that’s mostly true, but it can be pretty damn average, and even possess some classically unattractive traits but not too many, that’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:25 AM
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No, it’s usually sense of humor actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:15 AM
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All the time, but it’s not because he actually changes more because I see him differently. It’s been true in every relationship I’ve ever had with a man. Usually at first I’m not that attracted physically but very attracted to some personality trait enough that I just overlook the physical. Then as I connect with the person more and more (if it goes well) he becomes more and more beautiful to me. They do have to be at least average looking usually. There’s a threshold of unattractive that can’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:13 AM
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Well damn. I guess you’re allowed to feel that way then, even though I don’t get it but: respect to ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 06:09 PM
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Eh, I REALLY disagree. Then again I’m black so maybe we just have to accept that we come from different worlds and will never understand each other’s experiences And yeah I know what “white guilt” is. Shit pisses me off, y’all have a leg up in almost everything and your biggest complaint is that sometimes we make you feel a little bad about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 06:03 PM
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All I said was “it’s weird to say there’s bias against white men all over the media when so many white men own ‘the media.’” Because it’s SO MANY. To make the comparison to Obama you’d have to say “theres one white guy who managed, against all odds, to gain ownership of a news station so no way any news anywhere could have bias against white men.” Definitely not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 02:43 PM
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Wait...what I laughed but I now am unsure of this is a joke cuz we ARE on the purple pill sub so anything is possible. If they look white but aren’t...what’s their secret?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 02:38 PM
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Confusing. In a small way it did and as a woman it does feel good to be with someone who looks intimidating so no one fucks with you, but my larger feeling about it was that it was pretty scary to actually see happen and I’m glad it’s the only time it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:56 AM
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Definitely can. Usually opts to not. One time he put a guy in the hospital who put his hand up my dress unprovoked at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:46 AM
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Sense of humor. I’ve slept with a bunch of people just because we connect through humor. Also once definitely had sex with a friend I’ve never been particularly attracted to because it came up in conversation one night that we both used Noob Saibot in Mortal Kombat back in the day. I mean I guess that wasn’t the only reason but it was a huge contributing factor. Attraction comes from strange sources and is often situational.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:31 AM
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Of course!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 10:07 PM
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Not the same at all, it would be more like saying “there’s no racism” when like almost ALL presidents have been black maybe, but that’s just not true of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 10:07 PM
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I mean it’s not something I do or ever have done, but I wouldn’t necessarily judge anyone for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 10:06 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 07:31 PM
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I think women should have sex for whatever reason they want. I know some who have sex because they enjoy it AND get cash/prizes. Can we blame them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 06:26 PM
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Hah. This is the account I use to post about that stuff and not my primary one, also yeah—I’ve had a weird rough month and dealing with a break up that’s hard and confusing after many years of happiness and stability—who hasn’t been there and used the internet as an anonymous outlet? not ashamed of it. I do it here so I don’t have to burden my friends with it constantly. and most of yours is varying degrees of “notice how sluts do (insert thing here)” and “notice how men date this kind of woman”…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 06:24 PM
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Oh yeah. I have a ton of dancer friends in very committed LTRs or marriages. I’m only 30 but when I see the way people talk here I feel like I know EXACTLY which shitty dude in the bar they are, and yeah women avoid those people overall because we can tell they’re bad news and will mistreat us. Even if they don’t say anything like what I see posted: the way someone who holds these types of beliefs approaches and interacts with you as a women is more transparent than people think. Most women lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 02:38 PM
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Yeah like all of it? It’s because it’s mostly men who it seems like have no female friends and maybe not a lot of girlfriends posting about “what women are like” and “what women want I from men.” Makes sense that a lot of it doesn’t apply to the real world. Some of the stuff I see here all I can think is “well you ‘d probably meet cooler girls if you didn’t ACTUALLY hate women. Of course they don’t want to sleep with you” :P
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 01:47 PM
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1st point: “I think we know what sluts are”—> I don’t know I might see someone as “slutty” (male or female) if they go out to a bar cruising for dick/puss just because they can (or the OLD alternative as it is these days) and having lots of ONS. Lots of people who have had multiple partners are not doing that, they’re just not settling and haven’t found someone who really fits yet, or haven’t stayed in relationships that are unfulfilling in various ways. Point you made about about sluttiness and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 01:41 PM
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I know! I see all these men here talking about them but I’ve literally never met one. I feel like they mean...Milania Trump? But who knows she might be into those little hands. Different strokes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 01:18 PM
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I wouldn’t get into a LTR before I had sex with someone. Not like you don’t know what they’re like, but sexual chemistry is a huge part of relationships and you have to figure out if you have it or not before you “buy the cow” so to speak. Knowing what the best way to end up in one of these “sexless” marriages or relationships is? Maybe the girl not know if she likes sex with you before she commits. She might like you as a person and not enjoy it. If you ask for commitment first and she doesn’t,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 01:11 PM
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Not what I meant, and not that it’s not “real” there are just other kinds that are a VERY different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 01:08 PM
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I’m not saying it’s everyone, but I’ve heard it a SURPRISING number of times. Also clit orgasms are not what I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 09:11 AM
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It happens to women all the time. I’ve had female friends say the first time they had a real orgasm they were in their late 20s, and they didn’t even know until it happened they’d just never had fulfilling sex before, usually because they’d only had a couple of partners and honestly most dudes are NOT THAT GOOD AT IT, especially young dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:43 AM
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I think we really need to define “slut” here. Is a woman’s sluttiness defined by the number of sexual partners she has? I don’t think so. I also kinda don’t believe men should call women sluts at all unless they use the same word for men who are promiscuous, but my point is sometimes having multiple sexual partners is just about having high standards for committed relationships. I think by your definition I’m probably moderately slutty (not the most slutty but double-digits of people for sure). …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:40 AM
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Good point!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:32 AM
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A couple things: I’ve never found my sexual history to be a deterrent in having a long-term partner whatsoever. I also would never want to date a guy long term who finds it intimidating or problematic for women to have had “non-virginal” pasts. Every casual hook up/FWB I’ve ever had ultimately wanted more. I think it’s because people always want what they can’t have, and if you say to a guy “I don’t want a serious relationship right now” all of a sudden all they want is to wife you down. I’ve go…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:22 AM
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I’ve been in some with women too, but usually if I’m in an LTR it’s less because of physical attraction and more because of other things: emotional attraction, good communication, etc... I’ve just found that with more men than women in my life, but I’ve actually slept with more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 07:36 PM
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Women are definitely more naturally attractive than men in my opinion. I date both men and women. I like both, and have been in more LTRs with men, but have always found women more physically attractive. They just are. They have boobs and butts and it’s awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 06:52 PM
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I think it’s all the same standards just to different degrees. For me to want to have sex with someone even once I need to feel respected and listened to by that person, there also needs to be some amount of physical attraction, and a lot of intellectual attraction. There doesn’t necessarily need to be emotional attraction or compatibility for a ONS or FWB, I guess that’s one big difference: meaning I will have a one night stand or FWB relationship with someone who has the qualities I’m attracte…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 06:41 PM
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Okay, I’m still not entirely clear on what you’re talking about, but I am pretty confident this isn’t specific to women. Changing people’s minds about things they believe that come from the context of their lives (which is almost all firmly held beliefs) is a really difficult thing to do. I mean...just look at all the people that voted for Trump and despite mountains of concrete evidence that he’s a terrible leader, kinda racist, and has sexually assaulted multiple women and paid for their silen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 02:38 PM
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So what kind of social debates are you talking about? Politics? Lifestyle stuff? Morality? I just want to make sure we’re on the same page before I give an opinion, because I do disagree still that this is a gender issue but I’m not sure I completely know what you’re referring to so don’t want to say too much yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 01:40 PM
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It sounds like this is a viewpoint you’re pretty stubborn in and would not change even if I gave you a logical counter argument. I’m a scientist. My job is allowing my mind to change based on evidence gathered empirically. I’m also a woman. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 01:09 PM
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That’s awesome! Not that she left you, just that you were able to make something good of it. Stay strong friend!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 12:59 PM
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I mean Javier Bardem is actually pretty hot he just played a creepy character.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:44 AM
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The women you’re talking about probably don’t know what they want from you yet. That’s what dating IS, figuring out how/if you fit with someone. I don’t think I’ve ever walked into a date thinking “I would like a relationship” or “I just want to be bought dinner” or “I just want casual hook ups.” I go thinking “this person was nice to talk to and I want to know more.” A lot of times I don’t even know if I’m sexually attracted to the person yet when I go out with them. It’s not “feigned interest,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:41 AM
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I am actually not attracted to guys who are conventionally hotter than I am usually. Partly because men who are “too pretty” tend to know they’re hot and act like it, and also tend to be jerks who think they can just have any woman they want (I know this is a BROAD generalization and cliche but it’s true A LOT). I also think usually physical attraction develops with someone based on how well you connect and how much chemistry there is. Do the people I have casual sex with color my impression of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 10:25 AM
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White men do enjoy immense privilege, and no I don’t “know that” about breast cancer. I disagree completely that we should allocate more funding to a cancer that’s killing significantly fewer people. As for”White men founded all the institutions” well that’s not completely true but also is to some extent true because the act of successfully founding an institution, being elected to political office, or gaining an amount of power necessary to do that is and has historically always been much easie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 07:38 PM
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Yeah it is, it was in an earlier response to OP, not my response to this persons post about men’s rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:52 PM
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I did call it that. That was exactly my initial point “I think it’s more misogynistic than sexist.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:20 PM
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The “grossness and creepiness” comes from systemic misogyny and sexism. Also lots of women in the world are attracted to women and relatively few of them act like this about it: it’s not because they’re less attracted to a good butt, it’s because they’re not misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 04:19 PM
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So women have to do things that are physically unhealthy and “make themselves ugly” and if they don’t they’re asking to be objectified? I feel healthy at my weight and I feel gross when I don’t shower, and I’m comfortable the way I dress (which I actually don’t think is THAT good). I’m not doing those things to attract attention. I also don’t know where you get evidence for this “growing sexlessness” thing. And ugly men still get to be men in the world, they get to make more money than we do for…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 03:13 PM
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I did specify “white men.” And I’m not saying those areas don’t need attention. It’s just insane to think people are marginalized because of their “maleness” or “whiteness” the same way women and people of color are marginalized because of their sex or race. Yes, veterans don’t get the respect and support they deserve. Still harder to be a female vet than a male vet. Same with homeless people: of course homeless men need support, but the fact that they’re men put them at an advantage over homele…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 03:10 PM
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I think it’s complicated. I try not to do it and don’t respect myself or like myself when I feel I’ve achieved or gotten something based on sex appeal. That said the thing about being a woman in the world is a lot of times you end up getting things because of sex appeal without trying. If it’s done respectfully without an implication of expecting anything in return I don’t turn it down. I see it as someone saying “I appreciate the way you look and it makes me want to pay for your drinks (or what…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 02:44 PM
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I don’t hate white men at all,I just disagree with what you’re saying and saw a lot of flaws in your reasoning which I then pointed out. I don’t think I said a single hateful thing in my comment but if I did please point it out to me so I can apologize for misrepresenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 02:20 PM
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A lot of these the things you listed don’t take all the factors into account: Breast cancer, for example, affects both men and women and also KILLS way more people than testicular cancer. Survival rate in testicular cancer, even at stage 4 is like 90 something percent. breast cancer at stage 4 is like 20% (for both men and women). So yeah, we give more money to curing the disease that’s killing more people. Hillary Clinton says a lot of stuff and is kind of a bad person. Millions of people also …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 02:17 PM
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It doesn’t have to be. Sexism/misogyny aren’t about the urges someone has, they’re about how respectfully those urges are expressed and contained. It’s normalized in society for guys to be gross and creepy when they think a woman is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:56 PM
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Exactly. The number of times I’ve been sitting somewhere with friends clearly engaged socially in something and had some guy I’ve never seen walk up to us and ask to buy me/us drinks is...way more than any male friend I have. You think that random person I’ve never met wants to buy me a drink because he heard something funny or smart I said? Really doubt it. He doesn’t know me at all. He does it because of my physical appearance. That’s what we mean by the fact we’re assigned value by our physic…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:54 PM
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I’d argue there are lots of movies that have scenes in them that depict men violating the consent of women and are nominated for Oscars. Drama sells. Doesn’t mean everyone loves rape, but movies get nominated for approaching those difficult scenarios (rape, murder, violence against whatever marginalized group) all the time and everyone loves it. I don’t know what that proves. Also I think it’s true that rape/assault is looked at differently when it’s the woman as the aggressor, and that’s a comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:48 PM
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I would say it’s more misogynistic than sexist. It’s enforcing the idea that women a just sex objects there to be ogled at. It’s not that it’s wrong of the men to think she’s hot, it’s that they only care about who she is physically and are normalizing that behavior and supporting each other in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:43 PM
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Yeah I think if you’re flirting and getting the feedback from women you talk to that you’re being overly aggressive it’s not because your flirting: it’s because you’re doing it in a creepy and aggressive way whether you know it or not and you should probably take that feedback and reflect on it. There are plenty of ways to talk to girls that don’t make us feel like we’re being preyed upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 11:47 AM
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I also think that people in loving committed relationships usually get both the most and best sex of anyone (might change after they have kids if they do that) but in my experience it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 03:46 PM
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I disagree that the immoral asshole had a better sex life. I’ve seen that concept thrown around a lot here, and would like to know how you define “better sex life” (quantity of girls? Actual quality of sex? Attractiveness of girls? Amount of sex/week?) and why you think that. Also what makes you think that type of asshole wouldn’t lie about all the tail he gets? I’ve had plenty of guys like that lie about sleeping with me to their friends for “cred” when really I turned them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 02:47 PM
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Yeah I guess the perseverance is just a symptom of the thirstiness, but it’s definitely there from the beginning, especially on dating apps: every time a guy swipes on you and then just sends you “hearts” on a photo and says something like “you around?” Or “what’s up?” Or “wanna come over.” Thirstiness. Happens in person too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 11:11 AM
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Isn’t that exactly the same thing? Seems the same to me: “lust” is why the guy wants to talk to you “nervousness” is why he’s awkward about it, and “pressure to appear confident coming out a mess” is what the “perseverance” I was talking about actually is. So yeah, same thing, just looks a little different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 02:21 AM
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Yeah men are too a lot of times, the “thirstiness” just looks different. I think a lot of guys believe, probably because actually every movie ever made and every love story tells us, that “persistence” is a sexy quality and that girls will be coy to make them chase, when most of the time persistence just looks desperate and thirsty and disrespectful. Interest is good but persistence is annoying if you’re saying no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 12:47 AM
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My first thought thought is “no way any of these guys actually get as much ass as they claim to.” And it’s a good laugh to see the bragging that happens. My second thought is “I’ve never seen so much masculine insecurity in one place” Followed by “I bet this place is full of tiny dicks, and not the good kind where they own it and just get great at foreplay.” Lastly, it just makes me feel good about myself to argue with them and make them angry/confused. It’s sort of therapeutic. My favorite is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 10:30 PM
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Good one! Hey idiot: just tell guys what you want. You’re gonna get rejected a lot more, but it’s better to get rejected up front then pretend to be something you’re not for months and find out later someone actually doesn’t like you that much and your real needs and desires don’t align with theirs. Oh, and don’t ever believe anyone who tells you they can’t (xyz) because they love you but “need to work on themselves right now.” It’s always BS. Always.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 10:22 PM
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Yeah this is simplistic but true. A good personality can make up for A LOT physically. I’ve found myself very attracted to guys who are shorter, heavier, more bald, whatever else than I would normally find physically attractive because they’re charming/funny/confident/kind or whatever else, but there’s still a limit to how far it goes and where that is is different for different girls. It’s pretty common too that I see a guy who is physically ideal in my mind, then talk to him for 20 seconds and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 10:12 PM
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I can’t speak for all women but for me: For a boyfriend: I like guys who make me laugh, are respectful of me and my boundaries, aren’t afraid to let me “take the lead” sometimes whether it’s physically/sexually or socially (holding doors, paying for things, maybe buying THEM flowers sometimes), and are good listeners-that’s a huge one. If all those things are true a guy can be pretty average looking and I’ll still be attracted to him, but I do have some aesthetic standard as well just like every…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 10:02 PM
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It works if you maintain your boundaries and the guy is respectful. Most of my committed partnerships have started because I asked a guy out clearly and directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 09:43 PM
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If I’m attracted to a man I do “lead the courting ritual” and flirt if he doesn’t notice me, and if I am interested in sex I do try to consensually initiate it. Sometimes I get rejected for one or the other or both and that’s fine, because it’s okay if not every guy is into me. Other times I don’t get rejected and that’s great and I feel good about myself later. I don’t cry on the internet about it when I’m feeling rejected and blame the male sex and their standards and values and group psycholo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 09:41 PM
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I don’t find any kind of assault or “unwanted advance” in a book to be sexy at all. Sometimes I read books that contain rape scenes the same way I read books that contain murder scenes, because it can be a good story even if it’s disturbing. I read the Song if Ice and Fire books, for example, and there’s lots of rape but I wasn’t reading it and thinking “wow that really turns me on” even if the aggressive characters were attractive. It was mostly just disturbing. I also like watching horror movi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:27 PM
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Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:28 PM
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I meant 100% of women I know (which is what I said and a specific group, but also I have been a woman for 30 years and so the sample size of “women I know” isn’t small) laugh about it and will make fun of the dude whether or not they go on the booty call, and if they go on the booty call it’s just cuz they wanted sex at that moment. That guy could have been anyone moderately attractive, he just happened to text at the right time, it’s not because the guy did some magical thing that “lured her in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:08 PM
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I didn’t say it was. I think if you’re being honest with them you’re not doing anything wrong, because they probably want the same thing you do (a hook up not a relationship). But it’s not a way “to get girls” it’s a way specifically to hook up with girls who also want to hook up, and I’m not bothered by that. Like I said it’s bothersome to me when this becomes a blanket statement of “women only like men who want to treat them this way.” That’s what’s wrong, not the behavior. As long as the beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:01 PM
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Okay so you’re not trying to date anyone. So yeah you’re doing to right thing and as long as you’re not misleading anyone they are too. Doesn’t mean it’s good advice on “how to meet girls” it’s maybe good advice on “how to make sure you get laid with no strings attached.” That’s a totally fine goal but understand that you’re probably attraction a lot of women with exactly the same goal, and that’s not “how women are” that’s “how people who want to get it on and don’t care much who with” are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:23 AM
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Who is “they” in this comment: women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:21 AM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:08 AM
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Glad I could help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:07 AM
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Well yeah, the point is you’d have better luck with all of them and maybe actually find a girlfriend of whatever age if you stopped looking at them as leopards to hunt and fish to catch. It’s really not a turn on to be “hunted and caught” as much as y’all might think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:07 AM
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Like I said “not all women like the same things.” If the ones you want are the ones who fuck guys who snap them at 2am then yeah, go that route, but then don’t talk about how “committing to girls makes them go cold.” Because yes, the type of girl who is having sex with you after a 2am snap chat is NOT looking for a commitment with you, probably doesn’t even like you all that much, and just wants to bone. And you’re basing “women” off of your own experience of maybe whatever girls you attract, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:02 AM
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Answer to question 1: yes. Answer to question 2: it’s just different, and if anything actually the opposite. I’m much more physically attracted to women which means I appreciate female beauty more and so my standards are probably a little higher. My attraction to men is really not very physical at all, I appreciate when guys are good looking but am never really ATTRACTED to them because of their looks. it’s more of a mental/emotional attraction that builds through friendship and then turns into …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:22 AM
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Well the difference about dating is if you’re successful the girl doesn’t get killed, she ends up happy with a man who is also happy. Who wouldn’t want to see that happen for people like them? There are some differences between dating and hunting leopards. Hate to burst that bubble for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:17 AM
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Do you actually know that the men you’re talking to here “have caught 4000 fish” so to speak? Also, to break the metaphor, the techniques I see guys talking about here definitely work on a lot of young girls without much experience: teenagers, maybe early 20s, who don’t know any better. Once we grow up a little we know how to recognize the “shiny things” and they just start looking ridiculous to us. The question is is the goal 4000 19 year old “fish” as you just grow older and older, or maybe fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:14 AM
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A lot of what I’ve seen is about not showing interest at all, not showing any kind of emotion, and then a whooole bunch about how you should never commit because girls will stop sleeping with you or lose as soon as they “lock you down” or know you’re actually into them. Also a huge amount about “alpha vs beta.” And “alpha” being superior for getting girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:57 AM
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I’ve just seen a lot of really bad advice on this forum from “successful” men that tell others to do all the stuff that my female friends and I talk about as being classic red flags and make us not want to give numbers or continue to date people if we see them. Stuff we laugh at men for thinking “works.” Don’t have much to say about it beyond that. And yeah sorry I misunderstood about flair tags here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:36 AM
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Well if you did you’d probably kill a lot more leopards. Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:25 AM
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I see guys here post on “questions for women” all the time with their opinions and no one ever says anything, so I assumed the flair was just a suggestion honestly. I said a nice thing to a person. I don’t see the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:23 AM
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Doesn’t anyone else on this forum think it’s weird how many guys want to ask other guys what girls want or are thinking? It seems like girls would know this best.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:08 AM
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Well I can say that as a lady who also is friends with many other ladies, as ladies often are: the “alpha” stuff people talk about is BS made up by insecure dudes as a way to blame their various rejections on some 1950s ideal of “what women like.” At least that’s most of what I’ve seen. I won’t say it’s NEVER the case that women like what dudes here refer to as an “alpha man.” Not all woman like the same things, but I would say more often than not we value respect and honesty over almost all oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 06:05 AM
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It’s because “experience” isn’t just sexual experience. Maybe if it’s a 25 year old who still lives with his mom and has never made any of the “adult” steps in life it might not be a power dynamic. That said in that case I feel bad for the girl cuz she’s at a normal stage in her development and he’s not, and she just isn’t old enough yet to care that that person is kind of a bum.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:31 AM
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Yeah you have to keep communicating. You don’t just “achieve relationship” and then it’s perfect forever. People start taking each other for granted (both men and women do this), but that doesn’t mean the attraction is gone it just means they’re used to each other. I also don’t think it has anything to do with commitment as much as time spent together. All I know is that overall I’ve had significantly better sex in my committed relationships after years together than dates or hook ups, and yeah …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 08:13 PM
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Yeah but attraction doesn’t always equal sexual connection. Attraction gets you laid, trust gets you the “good stuff.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 05:43 PM
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Visually maybe but I am friends with a lot of guys I have never had romantic relationships with (meaning there’s no reason to lie to me) and almost none of them (I’m in my 30s and so are most of them) would even consider dating or pursuing someone in their early 20s. Doesn’t mean they don’t think 24 year olds are hot, but they think the idea of dating one is awful. I’d say one or two might fuck one but most of them wouldn’t even do that because they know “what 24 year olds are like.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:56 PM
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I usually want to meet after one conversation because I know I won’t actually know if I like someone until I’ve met them in person and don’t want to lead them on or waste their time, but I do see your point. If they don’t talk to me AT ALL and just do the “heart eyes and then ‘what are you up to’” thing that’s a definite no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:51 PM
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As far as what we see/want: something that makes you stand out from a crowd. Think of it as applying for a job, youre throwing youre resume on a pile of hundreds of resumes, many of whom will have the basic “credentials” (in this case, attractive enough, employed, don’t look like total dinguses). In order to get a swipe you have to stand out. Something that makes me laugh in a guys bio ALWAYS earns a swipe, especially after a seeing profile after profile with the phrase “I have a good sense of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:43 PM
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No, I think it’s given me the experience to figure out what I actually want and value in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:29 PM
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I think most people aren’t “alpha” or “beta,” so I don’t know if I agree with this question but I do have a story: Not married and don’t know if I want to be, but I am in my 30s and in a very long term committed domestic partnership. On our second date my partner and I went to see Logan (the Wolverine movie) and he cried in the theater for half and hour openly even though I didn’t. It was INCREDIBLY attractive to me that he wasn’t afraid to show he was moved to tears by something in a public pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:24 PM
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It depends on if I’m getting busy with myself or with someone else. When I masturbate I rarely think about another person, or watch porn, look at pictures, any of that. It’s just about me and my lady business having a time together. I guess maybe that’s a little narcissistic, but isn’t masturbation kind of narcissistic by definition? I also know women for whom this is not the case. When I’m having sex with someone else, whether male or female, I get WAY more sexual gratification from making the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:33 PM
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Yeah, if they wanna ask about it I have no problem telling them. I just don’t think it matters so I don’t bring it up on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:12 PM
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It might keep her around if she’s insecure enough to be psychologically tricked by this, but you’re not gonna get her “sexual best” if she doesn’t trust you, and she’s never going to trust you if you can’t commit. Believe me: there’s all kinds of shit I’ll do to/for a guy who proves his devotion and commitment to me that I absolutely will never be open to with a baby-man who’s always trying to make me jealous with one foot out the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:09 PM
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This is the most 1950s take on the female brain I’ve seen in a long time. We don’t all want to marry you. I’m a woman in my 30s and spend a lot of time with other women in our 30s. It’s 2020, we don’t need marriage the way we used to. Most of us can provide for ourselves now so don’t need a husband to do it for us. If we get married it’s because someone makes us want to marry them by being respectful, loving, inspiring, sexy, and good to us. Those are the things that attract us to a guy. They mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:06 PM
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This is BS. In all genders and all relationships “limerence” (the initial thrill and passion of a new relationship and new love) fades a little bit with time as we get used to one another and it’s not “new” anymore. That’s normal but doesn’t mean attraction is dead. I am a woman and have been in long term relationships with both men and other women, the only times I’ve felt the attraction to someone actually die is if the trust in the relationship is broken in one way or another (cheating, lying…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 01:56 PM
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I don’t lie. I also don’t necessarily bring it up if it isn’t pertinent or I’m not asked. I have no shame in my sexual past, but also don’t know why someone would or should care how many partners I’ve had and what my experience is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:53 PM
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