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DiscussionGrumpyOldHistoricist/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 06:22 AM
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It’s a thing. My wife and I spent *hours* on our second date talking about the point in the late 1960s early 1970s when the counter culture went dark. The communes became cults, the demonstrators became terrorists, the psychonauts started doing drugs with the bikers, the environmental consciousness went a little blood and soil, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:28 AM
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I’m not on any social media other than reddit (arguably not even social media) and I follow nobody on here. I’m participating in this discussion with relevant, on topic comments. They just happen to not align with yours. Would you prefer non sequiturs?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:47 AM
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They don’t chase clout by making content complaining about getting approached. And I don’t know what sort of meatmarket you’re working out at, but the dudes I lift with all wear basketball shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:38 AM
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The scrunch gym pants trend is 100% about sexualized gaze. I’m willing to give people a lot of latitude as to what they do for their own comfort rather than their awareness of being observed, and clothes are never to blame for legitimately antisocial behavior, but that particular trend is undeniably about self-sexualization. When you signal to people in your surroundings that you’re open to being courted, someone might just take you up on the offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:00 PM
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lol lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:23 AM
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Prostitution, sugar daddying, or just hooking up?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:14 PM
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Brain chemistry irrevocably fucked by benzo addiction
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:15 PM
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Sample size and porn. The survey group is grossly lopsided on the male end so it’s virtually inevitable that there would be more variety. But men also consume a lot more porn than women. Often to the point that (even among men who aren’t sexless) a man’s primary experience of sex is pornography rather than actually having sex with another person. Shit gets weird when your sexuality exists so heavily in the imaginary rather than the practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:44 AM
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You also see what BS the myth that “men respect other men who bang loads of women is” reality is dudes don’t care, are jealous, hate you when you don’t even know their existence. 100% I’m a reformed cad and of all the prices I paid for my former promiscuity, this one was probably the highest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 04:51 PM
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No. It’s obesity. I’ve seen autists and other various mental types do decently enough for themselves so long as they’re in shape. Meanwhile the only fat dudes I’ve known who pull are the funmaxxing Hawaiian shirt and mustache life of the party types, and they pretty much only have drunk (and often coked up) sex. You’ll see fat guys in LTRs, but more often than not they crossed into obese territory after settling down with their gf/wife. Single fat dudes might as well be asexual. Fat poly dudes c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:06 PM
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All these things plus stability. Even for men who have a relatively easy time of it, dating is an inherently unstable resource suck. A man in a monogamous relationship (so long as it’s actually healthy and some version of equitable) actually has the time and resources to do all of the projects and pursuits that redpill and MGTOW types say men should be focusing on while still enjoying the benefits of female company. The constant cycle of meet, hook up, the thing runs its course, repeat (sometime…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 10:44 PM
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My experience is that it does work in communities matching those descriptions but it’s not as simple as high bodycount means even more sex. It’s a reputation thing. If a guy gets a good reputation among a group of women who aren’t looking for anything serious (or if some of them like a challenge) he’s basically made for a time so long as he can live up to the hype. But better than gossip is being seen around town with different (attractive) women who look happy. This is more effective than gossi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 10:24 PM
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Women have generally been expected to put in more effort, yes. But it really does look like things have changed beyond trends and tech. Storefront medspas used to be the stuff of cyberpunk scene setting, makeup has gotten way more intense, the new mixed use development walking distance from my house has four fitness businesses; three of which are female targeted, etc. Zoom out to the surrounding young professional oriented neighborhood and there’s three good tattoo shops, three barber shops, eig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:55 AM
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I used to casually see a woman whose body count was 300+. We got along well, enjoyed one another’s company, and had great sex. We were both sleeping with other people and I wasn’t looking for boyfriend status, but I occupied the “cancel plans with another dude to get dicked down by this guy” position in her life. Flattering considering the sheer amount of experience she had for comparison. But I ultimately ended it because she had the habits she had and was lax about condom use. She presented to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:02 PM
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Experts!👏🏻Are!👏🏻Valid!👏🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:09 PM
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It’s possible. This was me when I was single. I’d spend the night with one of the women I was seeing and then have morning sex as well when we woke up. If it was a day off from work I’d have a lunch/afternoon rendezvous with someone else between. I’d maintain this schedule with three steady but casual partners and a few occasionals/randoms in the mix. No need for 100 simultaneous arrangements. It’s not sustainable longterm though. It leaves too little time for anything actually productive in lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:49 AM
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If you have ever said—or even been in the same room as someone saying—“sexual market value” out loud you’re ngmi
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:58 PM
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Incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 09:44 AM
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I didn’t say having sex is a red flag. I said overindulgence is a red flag. This is an important and rather obvious distinction that I’ve already made. I wouldn’t immediately write someone off for having a high body count, but I’d want to know more and get a better feel for them due to the high likelihood that they have an unhealthy relationship with sex and that this is indicative of an overall emotional state that makes them a risky person to be close to. Again, no different from other overly …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:42 PM
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In this case it’s certainly informative at the very least. Recognizing how high chemical reward activities are frequently abused is addiction analysis 101. But that aside, you titled your post “the only type of people who care about ‘body count’ are people who never would have the opportunity to raise their own.” I am the former. I am not the latter. Whether this can be universalized or not does not prevent it from contradicting your assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:29 PM
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Incorrect. I’m a man with a 99th percentile body count. Back when I was fucking around I obviously wasn’t looking for virgins, but I understood that high body counts were more often indicative of someone who was self-medicating with sex rather than someone who was emotionally healthy and just liked to fuck. I’m even more certain of it now since I’ve realized I was in the former camp and have done the work to stop being like that. Overindulgence in high chemical reward activities is always a red …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:21 PM
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Pathologized as in viewed and labeled as indicative of toxicity, social dysfunction, etc. Western society has developed to where most elements of traditional masculinity are genuinely dysfunctional (ie good luck keeping your job in a modern workplace characterized by extreme authoritarianism and casual degradation if you really don’t take any shit off of anyone) without crafting a new vision of functional masculinity. That leaves young men and older guys with few other attainable means of indica…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 02:38 PM
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Depending on stage in life, bedding women or maintaining a longterm relationship are some of the least pathologized expressions of masculinity/masculine achievement still available to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 02:47 AM
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Definitely possible. My now wife introduced me to the concept when we first started dating in 2015. She has them so I looked them up online. There were a few articles at the time and a lot more have been written since (I recommend googling it). Some other partners I had before we got serious and went exclusive had them too. But no, they’re not common. Too many factors have to align. A woman has to be capable of them in the first place, she has to be in the right mindset in the moment to have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:54 PM
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Turns out his friend group was the inspiration for Leo’s “Pussy Posse.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:00 PM
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A cervical orgasm is different from just the mouth of the cervix getting bashed. And obviously the cervix itself isn’t penetrated. It comes from the stimulation that results from the head of the penis brushing past the cervix as it makes its way to the pocket of the vaginal canal above/behind the opening of the cervix. Both length and shape matter here because a guy has to be long enough to get back there and shaped right to not just run into the cervix itself. You can actually feel that pocket …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:53 PM
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⁠A bit over six inches and he's not going to be able to penetrate without pain. Arousal is really key here. Foreplay can reduce the pain of initial penetration and then taking it easy at first to let the vaginal canal further lengthen takes care of the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:51 PM
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Stop making friends via “M4M looking for hung JO buds ads.” I can tell you as someone who’s done sports most of his life, is a nude spa enjoyer, and has had more than his fair share of group sex that you’re wrong. Anything above 6.5 is rare, even in settings like sex parties where the sample population skews large due to comfort with hanging dong in front of people creating a self-selection filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:45 PM
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This isn’t how casual sex works for men. For whatever reason (I personally shy away from chalking these things up to inborn traits and tendencies) superficial attractiveness is paramount in getting women past the threshold of willingness for a casual encounter. Obviously it plays a role in desire for a LTR as well (often creating situations where people are convincing themselves there’s compatibility where there isn’t, but that’s another discussion), but it’s decisive for casual sex. Men tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:48 PM
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Even without all that saving stuff (most shifts are boring as shit, honestly) it’s a job where there’s a physicality to it, you’re in an environment where flirting is unquestionably acceptable, and you’ve got an automatic icebreaker if you’re taking IDs. Being a bike messenger was like shooting fish in a barrel too since it’s a job that keeps you in shape, doesn’t force you to dress like a herb, you’ve always got that fresh just exercised vibe, and you’re spending all day interacting with extrem…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:47 PM
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Bouncer (especially at a bar that’s important in your local scene) and bike messenger. I’ve done both, both got me laid, and both pay like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:09 PM
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But it’s only that many per year in the absence of prolonged periods of monogamy. Which like I said, is a red flag at age 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:14 PM
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Nah that’s pretty high. It’s indicative of someone who either hasn’t had any LTRs (red flag at age 35) or has a pretty unhealthy relationship with sex when they’re not in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:51 AM
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Be attractive, be interesting, don’t be thirsty, go outside and mingle. Literally every single discussion on this sub settled. No self-help books or pseudoscience required.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 01:02 PM
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The girl reading this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:51 PM
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There’s a reasonable expectation that violations of trust in general—and in particular the violation of relationship exclusivity—hurts. This is neither abnormal nor exceptional regardless of how you conduct your relationships. It’s fine if you’re not wired that way, but in this case it’s your manner of doing things that’s exceptional and it’s unrealistic to expect others to do likewise. Given that the norm in committed relationships (especially marriages) is the expectation of exclusivity and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 02:09 PM
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Who cares if the institution is valid? What matters is the attachment between the two people and the real pain its violation causes. Being party to inflicting that harm is unethical. No commitment is required to make that harm unethical. Not randomly hurting people is the most basic social obligation we all have to one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:41 PM
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No, but there’s a social fabric in which we’re all enmeshed that we all have an obligation to not damage. Being party to tearing apart people’s relationships goes against this imperative. And zoomed in from the macro social level to a direct person to person level, cheating hurts. The other man or other woman hasn’t made any commitment to the party being cheated on, but basic decency means not wantonly hurting others. No commitment is necessary to make being party to hurting another unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:33 PM
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Why did the guy get circumcised as an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 02:59 PM
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No. Aziz Ansari.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 02:45 PM
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People on house arrest are often allowed to go to work so long as they wear their ankle monitors, stay at work when they’re supposed to be there, and don’t stray from their routes on their commutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:54 PM
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“Most men” do not have foot fetishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:39 PM
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Move it along lady. This is too functional for PPD or FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:15 PM
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I’ve been the bull in a few cuck situations and have known some other couples who were into it and from what I can tell your experience vis a vis a lack of attraction to men who enjoy being cucked is normal even for people who indulge in the fetish. Every single couple I’ve encountered who was into it very obviously had HUGE attraction and respect issues outside of the bedroom. It’s one of those fetishes that’s indicative of bigger issues with the relationship and the people in it and should be …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:49 PM
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No thanks. Speaking from experience, you’ve got a bad time ahead if a woman worships you and you’re unwilling to commit. She will pull crazy shit and it’ll be “look what you made me do” the entire time. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 04:54 PM
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The “thousands years old” norms you’re referring to largely solidified during the Victorian era so only had about a century of being the cultural default. Even confining ourselves to Europe and post-contact North America you’re looking at a much more diverse and often more permissive set of attitudes and customs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:30 PM
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It’s not entirely wrong. It’s widely acknowledged among historians that one of the reasons Rome was comparatively stable and able to build the power it had was the institution of publicly monogamous marriage. Societies that enshrine polygyny are historically less stable because large numbers of single men with no investment in society are really dangerous. Where the manosphere types lose the plot is their obsession with individual desire and personal agency. These historical trends are driven by…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:20 PM
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Internet endocrinology is bleeding edge science.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 11:12 PM
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I too like to get mad about imaginary conversations I have with imaginary people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 10:57 PM
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Also useful when examining those statistics is looking at total number of viewers by sex. Choking, rape, gangbangs, and free use might be more popular per capita among female viewers of porn dedicated enough to the pastime to register a Pornhub account (that’s how they determine sex for these stats), but that number may still be too small to drive trends. 75 percent of female viewers may love that stuff compared to 40 percent of men, but that 75 percent would still be a significantly smaller num…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:26 PM
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FDS isn’t about attracting a partner. The advice they hand out is tailor made to drive options-rich men away. It’s a grievance nurturing community. Look at how active and upvoted the threads are that are just “men bad” and have largely nothing to do with dating. I assume the comfortable grievance nurturing combined with the obviously bad advice is consciously designed to prevent exit from the community. A woman dating successfully doesn’t need FDS. A resentful woman who can’t snag a worthwhile m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:22 PM
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Eat hot chip and lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:20 PM
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Dating strippers should be in the DSM as a form of self-harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 06:11 PM
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It’s over unless you were born as a manosphere sigma autist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:51 PM
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Sounds like you have a history of falling for lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 12:45 PM
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This might not be all of it, but it’s certainly a significant component that gets overlooked by people agendaposting about how women are naturally submissive and breedable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:15 PM
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“It’s just nature bro” is the absolute most dogshit argument possible for anything having to do with human affairs. Even worse than “God says so.” Civilization exists because man in a state of nature fucking sucks. It’s a 10,000 year exercise in either moving us away from our instincts entirely or tricking us into doing something productive with them. What’s “natural” is building nothing, inbreeding, and starving because you don’t grow food and have no surplus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:12 PM
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Because people hire escorts for different reasons largely based on how class ties into desirability and the perception of the transaction stems from there. Paying a woman to fuck is pathetic. Paying a woman to fuck off is a flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 04:12 PM
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Like I said in another comment, I’m partial to prints. Especially paisley. But I’ll mute it some by putting it under a sweater. Usually a v-neck or cardigan. That way you get a pop of color and pattern without going totally overboard. Same reason I like wearing a harrington jacket if I’m wearing a plain shirt. The lining on a harrington’s visible since it goes all the way to the zipper and it’s at least a tartan, if not something even cooler depending on the maker.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 01:55 AM
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Paisley is a color?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 01:52 AM
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flamboyant prints Counterpoint: I just got back from my honeymoon a few days ago. The morning after our third date, my now wife watched me get dressed for work and said “are you trying to make me fall in love with you” when she saw me putting on a purple paisley shirt. She’s a goth girl with an art degree and a love of all things 1960s. I’m the sort of guy who’s historically dated art girls and subculture girls so dressing basic would have been to my detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 03:41 PM
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Don’t explain yourself to the hoes king 👑
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 05:17 AM
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I’m cheaper than a doctor and your insurance company will probably decline paying either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 07:18 PM
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She said she has trouble accommodating the entirety of a single finger. That isn’t “I don’t like getting railed like subway tunnel.” It’s “I have vaginismus.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 06:35 PM
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truerateme is a literal incel psyop. And I don’t mean that in the sense of “the guys on there aren’t slavishly nice to women so they must be incels.” I mean that back when the incel subs like braincels were bigger and public they talked pretty loosely about truerateme being a collective project of theirs to deflate women’s self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 06:39 AM
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Porn comes with tangible, material consequences like blackmail and being unemployable. Arguably, these sorts of very adult consequences are even harder for an 18 year old who’s likely never been fully responsible for herself to adequately consider than physical consequences given that she’s had a body her entire life and has almost certainly been ill before (speaking to the point about STIs). And while peer pressure and direct pressure are different, the former is possibly even more effective ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 04:02 PM
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Because both relate to making decisions about one’s own sexual expression and the consequences thereof without being unduly affected by outside influence. If an 18 year old is unable to sufficiently consider the repercussions of fucking a 35 year old due to her youth and the power afforded to him by his age and experience, she’s certainly ill-equipped to weigh the long term effects of posting hole under the generalized peer pressure of the OF trend and the constant messaging that libertinism is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 03:08 PM
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So which is it: are college girls sufficiently mature, experienced, and in control of their own sexuality for it to be okay for them to start OnlyFans accounts or are they so naïve, ignorant, and inexperienced that they’re vulnerable to grooming by older men? Both cannot be simultaneously true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 02:21 PM
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RIP the era of Vice where they had a dude eat nothing but corn to see how many days it took for his poop to become nothing but corn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:22 PM
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Cool. Still not edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 08:42 PM
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If you’re drinking any White Claw you’re not straightedge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:51 PM
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Bleak
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:44 AM
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And you pick up the check like you don't even care, put your card in the check holder while still talking about something else. I don’t understand guys picking up the check in any other fashion. It prevents it from becoming a thing and making the date a conversation about money. And if she protests just playfully say, “maybe I’ll let you pay next time.” That shuts it down nine times out of ten and makes a good impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 07:36 PM
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DoD Oh wow you weren’t even using “sperging” colloquially. You mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 08:24 PM
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DC is also a great place to date lizard people who see all human interaction as networking and view other people merely as means to various ends. As someone who’s lived in or close to DC at various points, you couldn’t pay me to date there. Especially when there’s an entire city full of people who have some chill about an hour north.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 08:20 PM
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“Alpha’s” a dumb concept anyway, but anyone who has to tell you he’s one definitely isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 03:41 PM
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Men are socially retarded but eventually either figure it out or give up. Women are largely chasing different aesthetic/personality variations of a statistically small set of men that they don’t realize is so few in number so they end up still plugging away at it past thirty with ever increasing frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 02:50 PM
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It absolutely is a performance. And I dealt with it by stopping. By nature I’m an introvert. This doesn’t mean I’m socially awkward, squirrelly, or lacking in confidence. Quite the opposite in fact. I just prefer quiet and my own company. My group of friends is tight and not over large and I see them in moderation. Women, however, tend to prefer extroverted men. Especially for casual sex. This is for good reason and I’m not one to hold it against women as a group. Knowing this, I can fake it whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 01:24 PM
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This is a relatively recent shift. The efforts over the past decade or so to take high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils out of food and get kids to develop better eating and exercise habits have actually born fruit. Zoomers in areas where these took root are less fat than millennials were at their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:08 PM
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Are you actually interested in having your question answered or do you just want opportunities to say, “but men have it harder?” You asked a good question for discussion and in your initial post you made a good case for the fact that it’s rarely talked about here. But replies like the one above only serve to direct the conversation into this sub’s well-worn “dudes have it hard” grooves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 03:56 PM
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average 75k/yr lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 06:06 PM
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The Roman Catholic Church is the most progressive major religious institution on Earth. No other religious organization even approaching that size is as strong on issues of peace, justice, and science as the Church. A lot of hay is made about abortion and an all male clergy, but those issues are far less important than the stances they take on the economic issues that undergird all other social relations. There are small sects that have the RCC beat (shout out to the Quakers), but ultimately the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 03:41 PM
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Area man learns romantically unsuccessful people are frustrated and that paradigmatic patterns of communication are socially contagious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 11:36 PM
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You’re 20. If she’s settled you’ll know soon enough when she breaks up with you. Nobody settles long term that young. Hell, even if she doesn’t think she’s settled it’s basically certain your relationship isn’t going the distance. You’re both too young for that. The best thing you can do for yourself at your age is understand that your romantic relationships are going to be temporary, enjoy the time you have with a person, and not use your awareness of their impermanence as a license to be a shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 09:12 PM
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I get my information from a combination of vectors. Personal experience is one. I have a high N count and the women I sleep with tend to be candid with me. I listen to what they say about me, themselves, other men, and other women. And I contextualize that in what I can observe about their behavior. Listening to other people I’m not intimate with is another. Just be open and people will eventually spill their guts to you. Some of what they say will be bullshit, but there’ll be pearls of truth in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 05:57 PM
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My experience is from the other side of the equation. I’ve been the limerence object of two women, over a decade apart. Both were awful experiences. A person afflicted by limerence has an intense relationship with a fantasy of a person and often effectively forgets there’s another actual human being involved. The first was a girl I hooked up with that I met in my extended social circle of punks. Neither of us went into it with any expectations since we were both traveling, met in a city where ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 04:58 PM
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Bitch your friends are shunning you because you’re a married guy’s sidepiece, not because you’re “dating” an older dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 04:12 PM
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I’ll show you how this dick moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 02:40 PM
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So nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:11 PM
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Good job on the self-improvement dude. There’s a lot of of focus in this sub on casual sex and how to get it (or why some people can’t), but there’s very little acknowledgement of the dysfunction that often underlies it in men. As a fellow former manslut, I learned that there’s about as much wisdom and happiness to be found at the bottom of some strange cunt as there is to be found at the bottom of a bottle. Stable, sustainable relationships are far more fulfilling in the long run and generally …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 03:53 PM
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The female condom is awful. Like fucking a trash bag. Used one once just to see what it was like. Never again. 0/10. Would not recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:05 PM
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She’s talking about easing into it at first. Speaking from experience, a dick—despite its limited range of motion—works just fine in the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:38 PM
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Many women: https://www.wellandgood.com/what-is-a-cervical-orgasm/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 02:16 PM
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I’m not insecure. I’ve got a high n count, do well for myself when I’m single, get randomly flirted with by women, and am happily in a LTR. But when I’m feeling out a partner getting a picture of her romantic history is important to me. Not because of “ew sluts” or because I’m afraid of being compared to other men, but because it’s part of figuring out if this person is someone who’s going to improve or damage my life. I don’t care if a girl has been with 1 or 100 men. I want to know why that’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 04:14 PM
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We don’t want to hear about them at length or get detailed descriptions of what fucking them was like, but getting a decent handle on who your partner is and what his or her past was like (including relationships) is a pretty normal part of getting to know a person and deciding whether or not to get serious with a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 04:06 PM
1

Their testosterone levels pretty much drop to the ground. This isn’t how the endocrine system works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:45 PM
0

I’m 6’6” and have a preference for tall women. Tall girls always get a second look from me, I’ve (at least temporarily) forgiven flaws in tall partners that would have been dealbreakers in short women, and the one who got away was 5’10”. But it’s not a necessity. My girlfriend is 5’2” when she lies a little and I’m happy as can be with her. Height is a cherry on top of the attraction sundae for me, not the ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 07:20 AM
2

Precisely. Most traditions pertaining to relationships and mate selection exist to guide people to make choices counter to instinct for the sake of collective stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 01:32 PM
5

“Looksmatch” actually is a term taken from incel subreddits and forums though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 04:57 PM
0

Honestly it sounds like you just ended up on dates with social invalids. Anyone with any basic social intelligence knows that there’s a difference between what you think and what you say. “Women my age are entitled harridans and dating them is a constant nightmare of being judged by the unworthy,” needs to be expressed as, “I’ve been dating around. Met some great people and had a lot of fun, but I haven’t found anyone I see myself settling down with yet.” “AWALT but I’m foolish enough to think I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 08:38 PM
1

God no. I’m stubborn, difficult, cynical, and hard to get along with. What makes my relationship work is that my girlfriend and I are complementary opposites. Two of me in a relationship would be miserable. I’ve fucked my female physical equivalent (tall and built like a fighting Teutonic peasant) and that was cool and all, but not worth the hassle of dealing with a personality like mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:32 PM
3

Listen to people younger than you who are still in it dude. We’re both Gen X and things have changed a lot since we were young. The apps absolutely broke the dating market. What we grew up with doesn’t apply anymore. I was single and dating around after breaking off an LTR a few years back and I did well with OLD, but I could see in real time how much damage the apps were doing and how exceptional my experience was. My hunches were confirmed first by actually talking to younger friends and then …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 06:23 AM
1

Bullshit. Back when I was dating around, every match that I had on OKC that eventually resulted in sex at all resulted in first date sex. Either the women who “still want to get to know a guy” are rarer than you’re depicting or this is something they tell some guys while behaving otherwise with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 06:17 AM
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I’ve encountered one. She’s a goddamn mess. In her 40s, chronically single, still has an identity entirely wrapped up in her status within a youth subculture, huge name dropper, constantly bouncing from job to job, high drama, claims to be the kinkiest bitch ever but is actually barely into anything rough, instathot and all around online clout chaser, you get the picture. Claims to not like drama and only want relationships with men who are unattached and will treat her right, but always ends up…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 08:27 PM
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Yes. It’s happened to me and it sucks. Once wasn’t the woman herself, but her friends. The girl and I had been flirting for a bit in a way that was leading to sex and all was good. But then she and her friends came into my old work on a busy night and they kept trying to get me to fuck her in the bathroom. The things they were saying to me were gross and basically made it clear that I existed to them as a sex object and any preferences I had for the circumstances of our first hookup or other thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 03:35 PM
5

I want to be the Tom Bombadil of my neighborhood. Just walking around, feeding stray cats, humming stupid songs, and going home to my hot super domestic wife. It’s not out of the question. I’ve got every piece in place other than currently needing a job. If I can maneuver not needing to work I’ll have enough time for the cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:18 PM
2

And just so we’re crystal clear here: you’re similarly comfortable with the fact that—according to this study—our hypothetical law by and large will not be used to dissuade white, affluent, and attractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 09:53 PM
1

So you’re comfortable with even more laws that will be applied unequally to the detriment of people already already subject to the sentencing disparities you just mentioned?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 06:32 PM
2

...who aren’t receptive to them... And like I keep saying, that receptiveness is determined after the fact and—as the study points out—is excessively reliant on the man’s race, class, and general attractiveness. Thus creating a situation where if authorities are involved an unequal standard for identical behavior is applied to different men based on the abovementioned characteristics. Do you not see how that’s problematic? Let me repeat again: I agree this is bad behavior, I don’t think people s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:59 PM
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There’s no “y’all” under consideration here. I don’t talk to strangers this way. Never have. I was raised better than that. And the point I’m making isn’t that this behavior should be consequence-free or that women should be receptive to it. In fact, I’d urge women not to be receptive to boorishness regardless of who engages in it. And by all means, put dudes on blast, tell them they’re pieces of shit, tell your friends they’re pieces of shit, etc. What I’m pointing out is that the study illustr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 03:03 PM
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As I’ve been going over and over ad nauseam in this thread, what the study points out is that reactions to this sort of minor harassment are heavily influenced by the race and class of the harasser rather than the nature of the behavior itself. You’re advocating adopting a rubric for evaluating the criminality of contact with strangers that inherently criminalizes working class, ugly, and minority men. This is unavoidable given how consent or the absence thereof would be established in situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 02:48 PM
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The key isn’t consent at all. It would be impossible to use that as a standard here because the study is about interactions initiated by a stranger. Thus the reaction to them is determined after the fact and is largely tied to characteristics of the stranger rather than the nature of the behavior itself. The standard being argued for here is that attractive, affluent, white men should be treated differently from other groups. I’m pretty sure that’s exactly the thing that so much of this country …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:57 PM
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Consent isn’t internal. Desire is internal. Consent is the communication of that desire; something by nature external.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:53 PM
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I think a lot of people might not have read the initial post. The sort of harassment outlined in the study amounts to unsolicited and maybe somewhat boorish advances by a stranger rather than, say, a person’s boss. If you don’t understand that’s what we’re talking about, it’s easy to jump to the assumption that I’m defending a workplace sexual quid pro quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:23 PM
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The sort of harassment covered by this study? Absolutely not. The sort that involves abuse of power, stalking, legitimate threats, etc? To the fullest extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:00 PM
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Interactions between friends are irrelevant here. We’re talking about a study examining people’s reactions to interactions with strangers. However, in your own example, you’ve given an excellent example of the objective versus the subjective. When a stranger threatens a person, what’s at issue isn’t how the recipient feels. There’s the objective fact that a person has just given notice of intent to break the law and do harm. This is cut and dry regardless of the internal state of the threatened.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:57 PM
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Oh that’s absolutely fine. I’ve been choosing my words relatively carefully in this thread without necessarily explicitly defining them. That’s for the sake of economy of words, but it does come with the risk of some confusion. I’m differentiating between legal, private, and interpersonal here. Legal is pretty obvious, private here means employers or other private centers of power, and interpersonal means exactly what you’re describing. Interpersonal punishment is precisely the mechanism that’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:32 PM
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Yes. I know. That calculus is what determines if it’s harassment or not. That’s natural, normal, and fine. I’m not saying because it’s wholly subjective it shouldn’t be considered harassment. What I’m saying is that due to the subjectiveness of the evaluation that ultimately leads to reporting, harassment of this kind shouldn’t be subject to punishment beyond the interpersonal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:26 PM
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Currently it largely can’t. But there are constant calls for it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:23 PM
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No, but the point is to get as close as we can. That’s a major part of jurisprudence from the Enlightenment onward.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:21 PM
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That’s exactly why I’m saying the study is evidence that unsolicited advances shouldn’t be subject to legal or private punishment. Because people will be reported ultimately not on the basis of what they’ve done, but because of who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:19 PM
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I’m not saying it is. I’m solidly in the camp of “don’t harass people.” But that 75/25 split isn’t good enough to make something punishable on a level beyond the interpersonal. The problem is that because enjoyment is a subjective, internal evaluation, it’s by nature not absolute and will lead to people being legally or privately reported as bad actors based not on their identical actions but on which differing categories they fit into in terms of race, class, and attractiveness. This is sociall…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 07:50 PM
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No, but having empirical data helps inform the larger conversation about whether or not behavior like this should be punishable either by law or private mechanisms. It’s hazardous to allow for the subjective, internal feelings of a person to determine the legality (etc) of an action. There needs to be an absolute, objective standard by which to judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 07:30 PM
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lol I once said to a friend of mine back when I was dating girls like that and had just dealt with yet another crazy one that “the problem with being a socialist is that I see red flags and get excited.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 01:08 PM
1

Back when I was single girls like left-middle were my specialty. She is into BDSM. Just not nearly as much as she’d like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:59 PM
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I’m not reading all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 08:02 PM
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This is actually shockingly common in adolescents of both sexes. Kids are gonna experiment with sex. If you don’t give them good sex education and create an environment where they can safely experiment with one another, they end up fucking animals and their siblings. It’s been like that for thousands of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 07:09 PM
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Animals are capable of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 06:57 PM
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Nothing. This shit is retarded. I’m six and a half feet tall, tattooed, and largely built. Last time my girlfriend and I went to a show together I ended up in a brawl because some asshole suckerpunched a girl. So obviously I must be 100% pure black tar MAGA. No. I’m a longtime Marxist who does the dishes after she cooks and isn’t afraid of my dick shrinking if I scoop a litterbox. And it’s not like I’m particularly special.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:07 PM
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It’s a weird mix of people who think prenups are meaningless and routinely thrown out to fill the Prada bags of gold digging hooers along with people who think prenups can relieve a man of child support obligations. I don’t know what world any of these posters live in, but neither is true. Prenups are binding contracts and like all contracts are only subject to modification under uncommon extenuating circumstances and child support is a stone etched 18 year obligation barring adoption of the chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:04 PM
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Child support Trumps pretty much everything. The state can enforce child support even in mutually agreed upon sperm donor situations if the deposit was made person to person instead of via a properly licensed agency. You can’t prenup your way out of child support. Just about the only thing that gets you out of paying for your kids is another dude legally adopting them. But someone has to take responsibility for them because the state would rather not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 09:48 PM
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That’s a definition too broad to be useful though. Mid period internet forums had profiles with searchable post histories as well, but nobody makes the serious argument that vBulletin is social media. Reddit can interface with social media platforms via the share function, but that feature doesn’t have to be used. The definition of social media you cited retroactively classifies all Web 2.0 (and even newsgroups and some late Web 1.0) utilities as social media. That’s absurd. The innovation that …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:07 PM
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Reddit isn’t really social media. What defines social media and makes it meaningfully distinct from other online media is the feature of linking profiles to one another being integral to the user experience. That was the jump Friendster made from its forerunners like makeoutclub, etc. Reddit is more in the lineage of internet forums. That’s why so many weirdos who used to post to messageboards end up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 04:40 PM
1

It really does. But I never had a blow period. I’ve just hooked up with enough strippers and watched other people’s blow periods go bad that I just stay away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 02:28 PM
1

Wine festivals with mom and dad is a favorite pastime of the basic bitch crowd. Not the life I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 02:26 PM
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Hard drugs. Even casually. My experience is that people who have their coke (etc) use under control oftentimes don’t keep it that way and at the very least are enmeshed in unstable, drama-prone social circles. Pass. Heavy social media use. It’s not realistic to expect potential partners to be social media refuseniks like I am, but the lighter one’s use the better. Extremely online people have broken brains and I’m not interested in trying to manage the emotions of a dopamine addict. Strippers. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 01:06 PM
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Speaking for myself, no. I have a number of close, rewarding friendships with women. But they’re different from and can’t replace the close friendships I have with other men. People should have friendships with people of both sexes. It’s a sign of immaturity or other forms of maladjustment if someone is unable to maintain healthy friendships with one sex or the other. What’s bullshit is the “friends first” approach to getting laid. Chemistry is everything. “Friends first” means there’s no chemis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:10 PM
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That post was mainly about Tinder meets. And sure, people meet to get buzzed for a lot of reasons. That’s not the point. The point is that the assertion that most Tinder hookups are happening sober doesn’t jibe with the anecdata. But keep in mind that original post was about hookup culture largely accompanying intoxicant culture. This is true. People have all kinds of hobbies, but you’re a lot more likely to leave a bar than a gun range with a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 03:10 PM
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Maybe not full on blotto, but it’s pretty common for people to smoke up or have a couple drinks together. Our culture is okay with casual sex to a point, but there’s still something of an expectation that a certain pretense of things happening by accident be maintained. Very few people meet off Tinder for the stated, express purpose to fuck. People meet to “hang out,” “watch Netflix,” etc. The mutual desire for sex is subtextual. Social lubricants are useful for overcoming mutual inhibitions in …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:44 PM
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I agree that intoxicants aren’t the primary cause of casual sex, but that wasn’t OP’s thesis. OP’s thesis was that the scenes where these are common also tend to be hookup scenes for people who aren’t initiated into a specific sexual subculture. This is true. For most people, sexual subcultures like the poly and BDSM scenes are less accessible and desirable than just going to a bar, getting buzzed, and going home with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:27 PM
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Weird poly/swinger shit is an entirely different social arena from single people meeting and having NSA sex. A lot more explicit rules and clarity of purpose are in play for the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:13 PM
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I didn’t know who Mrs Midwest was before this thread, but I went and looked her up. She’s not my type, but objectively a babe. Annoying FOX News blonde tier looks. The thing is that her husband isn’t ugly. He’s fine. Average in the face and even though he’s carrying a couple extra pounds he still has some muscle definition and looks solid. The little I can tell about his body language from her Instagram gives me the impression he’s got a masculine energy in person without being over the top aggr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:21 PM
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1.) Yes. Very. We’ve been together just over five years. 2.) I’d use it to allow my girlfriend to become a stay at home. She’s extremely domestic and feels her most fulfilled when she’s cooking, rescuing cats, etc. But we’re working class people and we both need to hold down jobs right now. I’d love to free her from that. It would make us both happy and would improve our relationship. 3.) I’d stay with her. We’re extremely compatible and prone to stability together, she’s basically my physical s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 07:08 PM
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Keyword: “preference”. it’s not a requirement. If a man is having enough sex, those preferences will become requirements. A well satisfied dick isn’t getting hard just because there’s something with a pulse nearby. Similarly, a woman’s requirements can become preferences if she starts to experience the sort of sexual scarcity many men face. This isn’t as common as it is for guys, but I’ve seen it happen and I’ve seen the settling that results.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 11:50 AM
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revolutionary left I’m a longtime communist and my n>100. You could be on to something here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 03:26 AM
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Eh. The main thing I learned from having a ton of sex is that sex isn’t terribly important in the long run. But thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 05:33 PM
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My best FWB arrangement was with a low N woman. I was her third, she was my seventy something. She didn’t know my exact number, but she knew it was high and was open that it turned her on. She got a thrill out of the fact that I had options and a history to compare her to and kept her around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:12 PM
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Negging is dumb as shit. Don’t simp or act thirsty. And that’s it. Taking it further than that only attracts women you don’t want in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:33 PM
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In a word, no. The traits that allow a man to sleep around are often respected by women and other men, but the behavior itself is tolerated at best and often not even that. Men frequently see men who are sexually successful as achieving that success at the expense of other men, women see men who are sexually successful but not fucking (or committing to) them as irredeemable assholes, and everyone who’s in any sort of semi-close community with them lives in the wake of the complicated feelings th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 01:24 PM
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Putting aside the fact that I love my girlfriend and want to be with her because she’s the wonderful person she is, I’m in a committed, stable, longterm relationship because I think it lends itself better to a fuller, less turbulent life in which a supportive community can be built. Dating/fucking around is work. You put a lot of hours into wooing and weeding and that’s time you’re not putting into reading, seeing friends, maintaining your house, etc. Not putting time into that frees up that ene…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 10:12 PM
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Guys who are shy or stand off-ish often come across as disliking people. Doubly so for confident introverts. People conflate social anxiety and awkwardness with introversion and don’t know how to read confident introverts because of it. I’m at ease, comfortable in my own skin, and confident. But I’m also an introvert. Given the choice between keeping quiet and participating in a group interaction, I’m staying out of it unless I find the conversation truly interesting. And given the choice betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 10:50 PM
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Or maybe a vacant gaze is typical of people with the emotional issues that correlate with excessive promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 10:58 PM
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Yes. The only hookups of mine that have been ONS have been by circumstance or by my choice. And I’ve definitely been on the receiving end of more than my fair share of the sort of craziness girls get up to when you cut off the supply of good dick. But I still think sex between people with good chemistry in a longterm arrangement who can keep their emotional baggage out of the bedroom is better than hookup sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 03:08 PM
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Hookup and FWB are different arrangements. Properly, a hookup is a ONS or something similar. A FWB is something casual but potentially ongoing. My experience is that hookups/ONS can be hot, but generally it’s sex between people who haven’t necessarily learned one another’s bodies and frequently aren’t entirely comfortable with one another. Relationship sex doesn’t have the pitfalls of the above, but couples have issues and it’s often difficult to leave them at the bedroom door. And even if it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 08:30 PM
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Older 23 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 08:10 PM
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There’s no reason to assume he’s lying. Little mistakes like that happen all the time in scholarship, correcting them can be a headache, and the correction discussed by OP brings the study more in line with previous data and anecdata. If you think he’s lying, put up or shut up. The researcher who wrote the paper has already shown a willingness to engage with non-professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:40 PM
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Posting screenshots of private correspondence, even when not of a personal nature, is extremely disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:53 PM
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Everyone look at Qui-Gon Jizz over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 12:11 PM
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Very few men are above 100 unless they really really chased the pussy as their primary hobby. Correct. I’m a high n man and one of the reasons I stopped sleeping around was this. Fucking that much makes you a boring, severely limited person because you can’t really do much else with your spare time. Every fuck session with someone you’re ultimately not all that interested in is a book unread, a group hangout with the friends missed, a hike untaken, a round of play with the cats neglected, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:07 AM
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Hardly. “Locker room talk” is largely a myth. Especially among men past their teen years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 09:35 AM
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Probably not. Documentaries like that need to be entertaining. She probably had an alibi when her husband first disappeared, the cops looked into it, and it checked out. Murder investigations start with spouses/romantic partners and then expand out if the partners are eliminated as suspects. But that wasn’t in the show because it’s way less entertaining than a homo with a personality disorder slinging wild accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:11 AM
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One of the most based PPD posters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:00 AM
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You’re thinner than the average American woman so that puts you ahead of the pack. Most guys would probably see your body and think “future respectable mom” in a complimentary way. Not the stuff nasty fantasies are made of, but good nonetheless. I know you’re not her (she had big naturals), but other than the cans your build and complexion are nearly identical to the longest running FWB I maintained. So I have to ask: are you blonde? Because the resemblance in almost every other way is uncanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:07 PM
1

Take the PABG pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 01:20 PM
1

What’s your Social Security Number?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 12:12 PM
0

It is funny that the second you remove the rules, society becomes a male dominated place where women are kept as chattels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 11:16 AM
1

This story is a lot better if the hotel room belongs to your simp friend and you ended up there after he dropped his date off at Chad’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 10:56 AM
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And that night you became a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 10:47 AM
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Alternative explanation: these heaux ain’t loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 07:40 AM
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Cute enough to snag a man right now, but you should prioritize it. You’re of a definite physical type that doesn’t age well. The stereotypical black-veiled Mediterranean crone isn’t terribly well concealed by your relative youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 05:46 AM
4

Post hog troon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 04:25 AM
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Beard. And grow it out more. Stubble is supposed to look casual, but it ends up looking affected in most settings and on most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:13 AM
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Wrong. Yoda is level 9001 nofap. How do you think he lifts spaceships with his brain?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:44 PM
2

Lilith was Fairuza Balk from The Craft.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 01:04 PM
1

First time?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 04:00 AM
1

Oh hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 03:25 AM
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Lilith was probably a better lay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 03:06 AM
3

Dudes rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:25 PM
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lololol FDS users absolutely are equally disgusting about men as TRP users are about women. Neither group sees their potential partners as full fledged human beings. Both see the opposite sex as objects to be acquired from which pleasure and resources can be extracted. FDS and TRP both default to a transactional model of interaction that’s incompatible with a healthy respect for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:57 PM
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Aside from being extremely attracted to them and enjoying their company, I appreciate the willingness of many women to learn. Men are taught to act like they know how to do something even if they have no fucking idea. It makes instruction extremely difficult because they often see unlearning bad habits based in assumptions as an admission of weakness. Doubly so if you’re trying to train them on something seen as stereotypically manly. Get a woman past her being intimidated by a topic or her “tee…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 09:45 PM
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• At least 5’8 Interesting. Is your preference for tall women something you feel in terms of raw sexual attraction or is it based in a desire for tall children? I ask because we’re the same height and I’ve been with women ranging between 4’9” and 6’. And I’ve found that for me height doesn’t seem to have any bearing on sexual chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:17 PM
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This will probably start happening in some states within our lifetimes. It might eventually become Federal, but there would likely be jurisdiction issues. It’s a good idea. And any man who finds out a newborn isn’t his should be given a short window of time to walk away scot free. Regardless of what the prenup says, regardless of his state’s typical divorce laws, and regardless of what he’d otherwise owe, documented attempted paternity fraud should be grounds for a divorce in which he owes no al…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 08:01 PM
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M40, N>100 Very few women I’ve been with have asked for the specific number but most have said something about knowing I get around. A number have even told me that they were hooking up with me because of things friends of theirs I’d been with had said. So my impression is that for hookups it’s been mostly positive. People tend to assume a thing is good because it’s popular. However, I’m certain there’s some selection bias going on here. It’s impossible for there to not be any women out there wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 06:15 PM
1

Bad advice. The ideal is to fuck her stupid. You want her sweaty, sore, and woozy when you’re done. That means putting in a lot more effort than you would need to if you were just trying to cum and get out of there. But you’re golden if you do it in a way where you’re clearly enjoying yourself and owning the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 06:00 AM
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Define normal. I can hold down a job, maintain a healthy romantic relationship, have close friends, love my parents and talk to them once a week or so, and interact positively with strangers. But I also have admittedly fringe politics, have consumed almost exclusively alternative media for well over twenty years, and stand out in a crowd. For the sake of this question would you consider me normal? If yes, then yes. Porn’s gross for both the talent and the consumer. Big old no thanks for me. I’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:45 AM
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Men with options are capable of commitment. I know because I’m a man with options and I’m very committed to my girlfriend. Men without options are probably more likely to be used as doormats, but that’s not what healthy commitment looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:04 PM
2

Still are in rural towns, after sleeping with a goodly portion of the women. Same with small social scenes in big cities. Even if it’s a NSA arrangement, enough guys don’t want to fuck girls who’ve been with other guys they know that you can get unpopular really fast if you sleep with enough women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:10 AM
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Because my personal benefit isn’t the ultimate decider as to the goodness of a phenomenon. I’m a man who has personally benefited from hookup culture. Great. But despite that I can see that it’s based in largely negative social trends and is harmful in its own right. There are more important things in the world than my orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:04 AM
1

I’d get a trade. Way more important than any of the dating and sex stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:45 AM
2

Incels. We’re at a moment of generalized cultural turmoil and they’re the leftbehinds of a child rearing and socialization apparatus that failed to prepare a significant number of men for a more nakedly Darwinian dating milieu (I do think things are catching up though and that there will be fewer zoomer incels than millennial). Society doesn’t owe people sex, but it does owe people preparedness for navigating life. Mocking incels is a sign of extremely poor character. Chronically single women be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:58 AM
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Male, no pill, keep in mind my tips come from my experience and that my experience is shaped by being something of a masculine stereotype physically. YMMV Bonus tips for both: trim your pubes, keep yourself clean, and talk dirty. You’ll already be ahead of the pack with just those three. For men: 1.) Be aggressive, but in a way that comes across as natural. Let your hands be heavy on her when you touch her, squeeze her hard without pinching, and move her body around forcefully but deliberately. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:08 AM
3

Maybe he means most murdered kids that are killed by a parent are slain by the mother. Don’t know if it’s true, but it’s the only way to make sense of that statement. Because as it’s currently worded it’s claiming that the majority of women who have children will kill at least one. Which is definitely not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:30 PM
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The terms of this thought experiment are hot garbage, but I’ll bite anyway. Whether or not this hypothetical system of family organization/resource allocation is moral is irrelevant. Because it’s totally unsustainable. Historically societies that create large numbers of surplus men are less stable than those that don’t. It’s widely accepted that monogamous marriage was a social advantage Rome had over its polygynous peers among other examples. And a 9:1 surplus to necessary ratio is just insane.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:25 PM
2

It’s hypocritical but it’s not the end of the world. Just do your future virgin wife a favor and use your experience to get good in bed. If you’re going to be her only, at least be good. You’ll have a much happier marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:59 AM
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One of the big criticisms of significant age gap relationships is “what kind of guy is on the same emotional page as a girl 15 years younger than him?” People outside of them ask that question all the time as do women who find themselves involved with older men. That’s moot when it’s clear from the start that nobody involved is seeking anything more than NSA sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:04 AM
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Because sometimes they are. If you keep yourself in shape and can walk the tightrope of not being old/boring and trying too hard to be young and hip you can do just fine. It really is one of those “just be yourself so long as you don’t suck” situations. Speaking from experience here. In my tomcatting days I was regularly dealing with age differences of 10-17 years. I didn’t want serious relationships with any of these girls and was up front about that. It worked in my favor. These girls were in …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 04:56 AM
1

The people who wrote these profiles deserve one another. Back when I was doing OLD I’d avoid chicks with the first profile like the plague. My favorite girls were the ones with extremely short profiles like, “my hair caught on fire immediately after taking this picture” or “what you can’t see here is that my cat’s out of frame biting my ankles.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 01:11 AM
4

Based
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:32 AM
5

Imagine thinking that PPD is the sort of sub where anyone gives a shit about “mansplaining.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 04:05 PM
9

No, because Chad is a male homoerotic fantasy, not a female one. True. I swear half the dudes on the internet who go on and on about “Chad” want to suck his dick more than the average chick does. Most women around the world are attracted to cute-ish guys, Justin Bieber guys, k - pop stars, skinny guys Are you young? I’ve met very few women under 25 this doesn’t apply to. And very few over 30 who it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 02:52 PM
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Disagree. I think OP is dead on. Obviously we’re negotiating definitions here, but I’d argue that a person doesn’t truly find another person attractive unless they’re able to sustain sexual interest in that person over an extended period of time. Otherwise the attraction is more novelty based than anything else. OP speaks to that point here. You see this all the time in relationships. Even with otherwise above average people. Couples settle down before the novelty wears off and then wonder why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 05:23 AM
2

Are you bragging about fucking a girl with a 40 band size?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 12:25 AM
3

If you’re putting this much thought into being one of those guys then you’re not one of those guys and acting like you are is gonna be fucking cringey to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 10:13 PM
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I don’t know if it’ll be the majority arrangement, but we’re going to see an increase in companionate, non-romantic, same sex, life partnerships among women. While the material factors forcing women into heterosexual marriages largely no longer prevail, adult life is still generally unaffordable on one income for most people. And the need for emotional intimacy is strong. Sexual desire will be fulfilled by an elite cadre of men who can be accessed via Tinder or whatever app takes its place. As t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 03:32 PM
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That’s exactly the scenario I’m talking about though. Dudes asking girls who rejected them either for or after a first date for an explanation. You’re right that it should be reasonable and socially acceptable. The reality is that it’s not though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:20 AM
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Terrible advice. Social media is full of women putting dudes on blast because they asked for rejection explanations. Everything from calling it harassment, to rants about “emotional labor,” and just straight up mocking for making this total bitch move. Men are way better off taking rejection gracefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 12:10 AM
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Rush Limbaugh isn’t a libertarian. Dude absolutely shills for the police state.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 11:33 PM
5

You can’t advertise ass to mouth on television.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 02:16 PM
2

Opera singers give the best head. Their throats are literally trained.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:59 AM
6

Who knows, you might be his type despite the disparity in your respective levels of conventional appeal. I’ve seen it before. But it’s rare. Don’t count on it. The complex of social machinery and instinct that shapes our sexual desires works largely the same on all of us. Most of us want very similar things and people with the ability to attain them regularly are less likely to settle. If he doesn’t pump and dump, the most likely scenario for anything ongoing is a casual fuckbuddy arrangement. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 01:05 PM
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A return to instinct is not a return to tradition. Human civilization is a 10,000 year project to blunt, channel, and redirect instinct. Traditions like monogamy, shaming promiscuity, and mating for life are counter to human instinct. It’s also why they’re socially positive. They evolved in no small part to mitigate the effects of the natural war of each against all in human coupling. Some of the ways in which monogamy was organized and enforced in the past weren’t always conducive to individual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:10 AM
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Not entirely true. Sex guy has the option to attempt to be relationship guy anytime he wants. But it’s very possible he won’t be good at it precisely because he’s accustomed to being sex guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:16 AM
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Relationship guy. I used to be sex guy and it got old. Too much instability, too many enemies made (terps who think other dudes love slayers are only thinking about the dudes they lie to on the internet; offline where you actually live your competition hates you if you’re successful), and not enough fulfillment. I’ve spent years on both sides of this proposition and I’m much happier settled down. A stable relationship facilities better integration of a number of different aspects of life and cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:14 AM
2

I’m not a terp, but they’re right when they say you can’t negotiate attraction. And that includes with yourself. You either settle down with someone who checks all or almost all of the boxes, figure out how to make an unfulfilling sex life work for you (this is actually very possible albeit less than ideal), or you don’t settle down. There isn’t a hack here to make years of fucking someone you’re not super into feel awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 05:28 AM
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Two things mainly. First, deemphasizing the importance of sex in the relationship and life in general. People in LTRs should still have good sex, but it doesn’t have to be the focus and it’s unrealistic to expect it to be as good as the sex is in week two of a medium length fling. Good sex should be one of many shared sources of enjoyment for a couple. And if sex is still the focus of your life like it might be when you’re single and tomcatting all over town, then yeah, you’re gonna cheat or end…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:52 AM
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And was almost certainly delusional about most of the book’s events. American Psycho was about a person so shaped by conformity that his only release from its confines was murder fantasies that he ultimately couldn’t separate from reality because he was so utterly without any internal sense of definition or direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 09:42 PM
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I blame the underdiagnosing of autism spectrum disorders in girls and young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:50 AM
2

One of my best friends is a woman. I’ve known her for years and would take a bullet for her. We’ve seen one another through good times and bad. She’s one of the single most honest, insightful, and compassionate people I know. And she’s gorgeous. Not my type, but objectively beautiful. We met when I was engaged and she was in her first marriage and have never been simultaneously single. We almost certainly never will be simultaneously single, but I have no doubt that nothing would happen between …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:58 AM
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My main social circles have never been incestuous (the people I gravitate to are stable and monogamous), but I’ve been on the periphery of a number of extremely incestuous groups. Social scenes that revolve around an activity (bar scenes, music scenes, social sports leagues, druggies, etc) tend to be highly incestuous. I’ve never fucked any of my close friends. But I’ve fucked friends of girls I was fucking who socialized in scenes like the above. So I’d say it’s pretty common among people who g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 03:20 AM
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Uber chump indeed. I’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 04:08 AM
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This post is mostly retarded and I’m not endorsing it, but I agree with him that while most women aren’t fucking on most first dates, many (and possibly most) are fucking on some first dates. I believe this not because of TRP Mary Sue fanfics, but because of the extremely high percentage of my first dates that ended in sex when I was on the market a couple years ago. If you’re sufficiently attractive and seem like you’ll be good in bed and not make shit weird after, most women will be DTF.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 09:32 AM
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This is the most British autocorrect fuckup ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 11:00 PM
1

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 03:20 AM
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The perks aren’t necessarily worth it. My girlfriend is extremely attractive and never has to wait long for customer service etc, but the sexual interest of just about anyone interacting with her is at best barely concealed. It colors and corrupts everything. Her most common complaint is that she wants to be treated as a person rather than prey (a side effect of being petite and built in a stereotypically sexy way). And it absolutely hasn’t helped her professionally. She’s extremely intelligent …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 07:03 PM
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Not know how to cook. But know McDonald’s, charge my phone, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip, and lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 05:45 AM
1

Older: me 17, her 23 Younger: me 39, her 22
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 12:07 AM
1

Absolutely. I’m naturally tall and lanky (but with broad shoulders) and did extremely well for myself when I was built like that and single. The sort of women who went for me were the sort of women I like. Subculture girls, art hoes, hot nerds, grad students, etc. When I started hitting the gym hard and put on some serious mass I noticed a marked difference in who was interested in me. Beckys, bored moms, working class black chicks, and other dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 07:56 PM
1

Y’all need Jesus. Mayo is delicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 05:52 PM
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u/sadomasochrist definitely hit a lot of the points in his post. My personal experience with most long term poly people (as opposed to couples that “opened up” as a way of consensually dealing the deathblow to a moribund relationship) is that they’re drama junkies who like the idea of being highly popular and social but never had the opportunity when they were young. But what’s missing from his comment and most discussions on this topic is the way poly people court. Poly courtship is highly rati…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:07 PM
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Absolutely. Fucking love it. I used to have a fuckbuddy whose go to look for bootycalls was athleisure leggings, a croptop (crop sweater in the winter), and sexy lingerie under it. If her midriff wasn’t bare it’s because she’d opted for some sort of ridiculous one-piece undergarment. I couldn’t get enough. If a girl has tits, hips, and an ass and knows what fits her right lingerie just accentuates the natural gifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 10:24 PM
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How many of those female friends are actually just halves of the couples that compose your social circle? I’m in a LTR and also have female friends, but they’re all friend group couple halves or exes/girls I friendzoned when I was still dating around. And this is normal from what I can tell. I know very few coupled up men who regularly make female friends rather than couple friends. I’m intentionally not counting coworkers here because those relationships are ultimately something apart from typi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 01:05 AM
3

You realize your last two micro paragraphs contradict your entire post by validating and explaining the phenomenon you just denied, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 11:13 PM
2

It really depends on the people involved. I’m late gen x (born ‘79) and my girlfriend is an elder millennial (born ‘84). When I was last fucking around I racked up a high body count, all millennials save two (a ‘77 gen xer and a ‘96 zoomer). The key is staying in shape and being interesting. For most guys who can only talk about work, sports, and maybe one really boring hobby you’re absolutely right. They’re always going to be at a disadvantage to similarly boring but more youthful dudes. But if…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 09:51 PM
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And for people who want to do sex stuff that’s rarely actually pleasurable and sometimes legitimately physically risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 09:21 PM
3

He doesn’t have billions in cash or assets. Much of his net worth is ephemeral and stems from his ownership of the Trump brand. He claims to be a billionaire on the basis of his own estimation that the rights to the Trump brand would be worth over a billion dollars if he sold it on the open market. Trump would be worth more today in terms of actual cash and assets if he’d taken his inheritance and just put it in an index fund. He’s an awful businessman. The only people who lose more money on Tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 05:15 AM
1

Is she saying it as a soft rejection for casual sex? No. Is she saying it after a good date that ended with me fucking her brains out? Yes. Context creates meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 06:26 PM
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Most people aren’t interesting. And of the few who are, only a smaller subset will be interesting to you. This is true for both sexes. It also applies to people in the MGTOW subs and forums. They mistake the adoption of subcultural dogma and jargon for interests and personalities. The claim of MGTOW is that GTOW gives them time and freedom to pursue other interests, but most of them just seem interested in endlessly rehashing why they WTOW in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 01:38 PM
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No. I did well for myself when I was fucking around and I’m extremely happy with my girlfriend, but I acknowledge that we beat the odds by finding one another. I’d love to see major changes made. The whole thing isn’t working for most people and I don’t like being surrounded by generalized unhappiness. The catch is that dating doesn’t exist in isolation. So we get rid of apps. Fine. How do people meet one another? More and more people work jobs where they don’t interact with coworkers. More shop…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 05:09 PM
2

Most people are boring. Normal humans are hardwired to bond regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 04:38 AM
3

Non-paying n=35 and only giving a shit about one is the more alarming thing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 03:46 AM
1

My girlfriend is obsessed with tiny, elfin, glammed out Marc Bolan. Who’s my polar opposite in pretty much every way. Feels bad man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 08:58 PM
1

John Wayne was alpha except when John Ford bitched him on set over and over for dodging service in WWII.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 09:26 PM
12

The amount of rape drama I’ve seen in my subculture and adjacent ones that boils down to “I said yes for the wrong reasons and he didn’t really have any way of knowing that until I lit his ass up on the internet” is mindboggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 04:00 PM
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I think we’re about the same age and my experience tracks well with yours. I’d add that it’s further complicated today (especially when at least one of the parties is younger) by the normalization of bastardized BDSM dynamics. More young women than ever on the dating scene expect and desire domination but don’t have any facility with the (frankly, often anti-libidinal) methods people involved in the organized fetish subculture use to negotiate consent. It’s an absolute recipe for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 03:44 PM
3

Doing it anyway would be a low inhib alpha move.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 08:06 PM
3

Do it now faggot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 07:29 PM
3

It me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 05:15 PM
8

That’s fine. Fuck capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 02:12 PM
2

6’6” high n dude with a 5’2” girlfriend here. Stay mad nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 10:31 PM
0

Dude I’m a longtime Marxist and even I acknowledge that “clown world” is solid memeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 01:26 PM
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I’d still hit tho
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 01:24 PM
8

Average couple with the foreheads of two average couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 05:49 PM
3

Nice. I’m going as a racist astromech droid. Hard-R 2D2.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 01:55 AM
3

Alpha Fritters/Beta Bagels
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 11:17 PM
2

It’s really the poor cropping on the screenshot that makes this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 10:58 PM
5

Now THIS is shitposting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 05:59 PM
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WOMEN... BE... ... SHOPPIN!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 02:18 AM
1

MBTI is just astrology for people too beige to believe in magic. Still though, INTJ master race.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 05:44 AM
1

BOTTOM TEXT
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 03:22 AM
8

I like tattooed sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 08:41 PM
1

Maybe it’s just the people I’ve talked to, but I get the impression lots of fat women (maybe most) think that most dudes have boner problems. The fit girls I know don’t seem to think this way. So yeah, you’re not wrong. Nobody’s enjoying those pityfucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 02:39 PM
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I mean you answered your question right there in the post. You’re not relationship material for the women you’re pulling. As for why you’re not fuckbuddy material, it’s probably one or a combination of these two factors: circumstances of initial hookup are regrettable enough to poison the memory and trash dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 01:50 AM
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I know short guys who’ve done well on the apps, but they’re all very photogenic and good writers with distinct, consistent, funny voices. And they’re the exceptions. Far more of the short dudes I know who fuck around or are in happy LTRs hunt in the wild. What’s attractive about them to women is the stuff that doesn’t translate on the apps. Demeanor, body language, scent, eye contact, vocal tone, etc. I’m lucky that apps favor dudes like me and women like my girlfriend. But that doesn’t mean I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 09:55 PM
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Depending on the app, it’s about having some combination of three main things: looks that photograph well, height, and writing ability. I’m over 6’5” and my profile was really funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 09:39 PM
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Male. Neither. High n and very successful on the apps before getting into a LTR. I just have a habit of seeing how other people’s experiences fit with the structural factors that shape them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 09:29 PM
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No, but as terps are fond of saying, you can’t negotiate attraction. Women go for men they find attractive. And most men aren’t attractive on the apps. Even ones who are sufficiently appealing offline. Apps becoming the norm for how people find partners is a recipe for widespread unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 09:20 PM
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In the wild, women consider a far larger number of men attractive. All those things women tell you they find attractive other than looks? They’re not lying. They mean it. But almost none of them translate on the apps. Apps create a selective environment hostile to the typical inclinations of most women, thereby creating a population of users in which a minority of men get laid and a minority of women find relationships (they’re competing to lock down one of the few dudes who’s banging everyone).…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 09:06 PM
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Any time you’re dealing with reality as it’s presented in popular media versus reality as it’s actually lived versus reality as it’s perceived (IE the second as filtered through internalizations of the first) things are going to get really complicated. To begin with, the norm of dating/hookup culture as it’s presented in the first category is basically dudes slaying pussy left and right until the girl that’s perfect for them comes along and they settle down. And for the dudes who aren’t plowing …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 08:53 PM
0

Don’t threaten me with a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 11:53 AM
1

I like not having been raped, so no. Being a dude is pretty alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 03:56 AM
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I’m unmarried, but in a relationship. For the sake of this answer I’ll use women who flirt with me day to day and women I used to fuck. The women who flirt with me the most and are easiest for me to bed are educated women with mid level office jobs whose interests skew alt or nerdy but aren’t terribly deeply subcultured. I’m basically a fantasy come to life for them. Tall, heavily tattooed, deep voiced, masculine, but can carry on a conversation about a variety of topics. They want someone who m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 07:56 PM
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This perfectly matches with my experience. Especially the part time job part. Last time I was single was fun, but I’m not gonna lie: my girlfriend came along at just the right time. Shit was getting tiresome. As for LTRs in your 20s, I strongly advise every dude (and woman, in fact) have at least a couple. Nobody’s born a good partner. At best you have good examples at home, but even then you need to learn how to apply the behaviors that were modeled. If you don’t have any practice relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:14 AM
2

The term “reply guy” exists for a reason. It’s a thing and it’s pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 02:44 PM
2

Everyone your age is barely fit to participate in society, let alone be half decent romantic partners. I can’t even imagine what exposure to pillsphere thinking does to brains at that level of development.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:34 PM
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I’m really, really not photogenic. The pictures on my profile were the best I had and even then all of my first dates off of OKC included some version of the girl saying, “you’re really handsome in person; you need better photos.” So yeah, the pics were good enough to get her to message me but not good enough for her to recognize the dude she’d lowkey had a crush on for a year. In her case, she’d drastically changed her hair since I’d last seen her and that was enough for me to not recognize her…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 09:42 AM
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40M in LTR with 35F We were already casual acquaintances through friends but actually started dating through OKCupid. She saw me, didn’t recognize me, and messaged me. I didn’t recognize the hot blonde with an insanely high match percentage who’d sent the message, but I liked what I saw and hit her back. It didn’t take long for us to mutually realize who we were talking to and we’ve been dating ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 02:54 AM
1

Class position. So much social science data is meaningless without a class context. Also include level of formal education, country of residence, country of origin, and race.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 04:35 PM
1

You’re an even worse effortposter than I am. And that’s really saying something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:20 AM
3

Are you literally retarded or do you just not read?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:07 PM
1

Dude’s doing it wrong. You listen in an engaged fashion on the date and save the political harangue for after you’ve given her multiple orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:06 PM
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Can confirm. I look way cooler than I actually am and definitely had to learn to gauge early on who’s good to just get banged out by the tattooed scumbag dude and who’s looking to come along on the drunken, coke-fueled orgy of debauchery that my life isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:03 PM
12

I know a dude who sounds a lot like you and he joined the USMM. Did wonders for him. The travel and solitude really agreed with him. It gave him time to read, write, work out, experience new things, and just not feel like a weirdo all the goddamn time. After doing it for a couple of years he was basically a new person. He’d figured out what made him tick, always had new stories, and was happy to see his friends whenever he was in town but was always about to ship out when his social batteries we…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:22 PM
1

I’ve had it happen a few times with earrings and panties.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 10:49 PM
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This. It’s fucking gross. A prime example of the lowly delighting in tormenting the lowest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 03:02 PM
4

It really is annoying though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 03:53 PM
6

Yup. An ex of mine described her “goldilocks cock” (her actual words) as, “big enough that you want to fuck it every night, but not so big that you can’t. With a nice upward curve.” I’ve met true size queens, but they seem to be exceptions. My experience has been that women want a good dick attached to a guy who turns them on. With the second part being more important than the first.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 03:52 PM
2

You either talk about the evidence we have, gather new data, or ask people to believe something just because you believe it really hard. That third option is the worst of em.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 09:12 PM
1

DNA studies in Western Europe (where sexual mores are looser) consistently show this scenario accounting for about 2% of pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 07:42 PM
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Most women have children by 30 and, according to some corners of the internet, only Chad fucks. Nevermind the fact that the majority of births are still to married women and, according to these same corners of the internet, Chad doesn’t commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 03:27 PM
4

I casually dated a single mom a few years back. It was fine. We were both on the same page about everything being casual and me not being a potential stepdad. I never met the kid and mom and I enjoyed one another’s company. For what it’s worth, I’m a guy who has no trouble hooking up and seriously dating moms is basically off the table for me. I don’t want to be a dad. A friend of mine dated a divorced mom for about a decade and ended up marrying her. They started dating when he was in his mid o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 01:00 PM
2

I once had to kick a famous comedian out of a bar and I can confirm similar antics on the part of everyone else in the room prior to him getting his ass ejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 10:01 PM
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You and I have disagreed in the past, but this is real shit. Salute.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 09:59 PM
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No. They all consume way too much weird porn and wish they were cooler than they are. If you’re masculine, an aggressive lay, and tattooed/subcultured but can hold your own in a conversation their feelings get way too messy way too fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 03:48 AM
3

ITT: autism
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:43 PM
3

Heroin’s still alive. It’s what the pain pill addicts cop when they can’t get oxys. I see it all the time in my neighborhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 02:50 AM
11

...fracking and heroin parts of the rust belt... My first “I’m going to hell” laugh of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 09:47 PM
4

Never. But not because I’m some sort of perfect gentleman. More because I’m a much different type than what OP characterized his friend as. OP’s friend sounds extremely desirable, both for sex and relationships. This is likely why he’s not finding it terribly easy to just hook up and be forthright about his intentions. I’ve had the opposite experience where a broad swathe of women find me desirable for sex, but I’m precluded from relationships. I’m a college dropout who doesn’t like your basic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 07:59 PM
2

That’s a fine label. It’s certainly a form of dishonesty. As is gaslighting. But they’re distinct forms of dishonesty. Gaslighting requires a person to not only deny what you can detect with your own senses, but also to consistently manipulate your environment to an extent that you can no longer trust your own perception. That’s the essence of it. It’s a key distinction. And I didn’t bring up personal relationships. That’s your assumption. The manipulative aspect of gaslighting is certainly easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 08:01 PM
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Are terps waging an ongoing campaign of memory fabrication and manipulation against us for the express purpose of making us question our own perception and recall? No? Then they’re not fucking gaslighting us. Gaslighting is up there with rape in terms of terrible things one person can do to another. Don’t cheapen the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 11:37 AM
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I’m talking historically. Prostitution being illegal is the exception rather than the norm. The Muslims were the first people to widely outlaw it because Muhammad took Jewish ideas about sex even more seriously than the Jews did. Christendom outlawing it didn’t really gear up until a few centuries ago and the areas colonized by Christian empires didn’t see it outlawed until well after the mother countries. If they did at all. The liberalization of laws regarding prostitution we’re seeing today i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 03:34 AM
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That’s post-WWII, mostly. And those international norms (and the Westphalian order that prefigured them) are quickly becoming obsolete. It’s likely that in the next century China and Russia will fight a war over the Russian Far East precisely to bleed off some excess Chinese men and enable them to grab wives. This is offensive to modern sensibilities but it’s par for the course historically. And as another commenter noted, those now military-trained excess men are only threatening if they’re ali…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 03:22 AM
2

I assure you I am not cool. I mean, I’m on Reddit after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 08:58 PM
2

Pregnancy scare girl? She wasn’t crazy or a junkie. Nice girl. Just not my type for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 08:43 PM
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Prostitution has been legal pretty much everywhere always. Hasn’t stopped this kind of phenomenon from emerging. It’s not about sexual release, it’s about having a personal stake and emotional investment in society. You don’t get that from sex. You get that at the most concrete level from starting a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 08:34 PM
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/04/one-man-many-wives-big-problems/304829/ That one’s on China and cites scholarship about both contemporary and historical China. Chinese history is really instructive here. One of the imperial dynasties was actually toppled due to unrest that was in part due to the production of surplus males. https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war Sudan here. Obviously other elements in play, but polygyny is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 08:29 PM
6

Nah. I just don’t have an editor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 06:21 PM
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Historically, large amounts of surplus men have been a destabilizing element in society. They form bandit armies, death cults, and fringe antisystemic movements. It’s generally best to either conscript and send them into a war that’s guaranteed to have high casualty levels or enforce some form monogamy. The universalization of publicly monogamous marriage is often pointed to as one of the reasons for Rome’s civilizational success and is largely considered one of its greatest contributions to wes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 06:08 PM
4

Imagine dating the sort of women who give a shit about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 11:47 AM
2

Not a terp, but the answer is simple: because redpill advice is all about short term sexual strategy and women are more likely to choose masculine dudes for short term sexual arrangements. This isn’t rocket science. Now, why TRP as an intellectual movement is fixated on old structures of gender power and traditional masculinity beyond fucking is another ball of wax entirely and only tangentially related to the above. But the kernel of it all is that no woman fantasizes about getting thoroughly d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 12:53 PM
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I think it’s helpful to understand that cognitive dissonance is normal rather than exceptional. Media (both traditional/professional and new/amateur/DIY) constantly feeds women messages that being a size 2 is normal, you need this makeup to not look like a gorgon, your tits aren’t big enough, and that every woman in the world other than you wakes up looking perfect. Simultaneously, there’s the constant drumbeat of how you’re perfect just the way you are, a man should love you even though you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 01:15 PM
3

Same outcome. You are opposed to it. Again, I don’t want it. Do you really not understand the difference between preference and philosophical objection? Do you think all foods that don’t appeal to you are simultaneously morally wrong? Did you fail philosophy 101? Furthermore, as someone who is not opposed to abortion, I can engage in casual sex with access to a method of ameliorating one of that lifestyle’s potential negative outcomes. I don’t want kids, abortion stops kids from being born, I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 11:52 AM
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I’m not philosophically opposed to fathering a child. I don’t want to. That’s an important distinction. Furthermore, I choose partners who use birth control and I’m not philosophically opposed to terminating a pregnancy. That was a weak gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 02:35 AM
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I seriously don’t get it either. I’m not even a terp and I had a pregnancy scare with a casual a while back. Shit was harrowing. Girl was the sort of hot I could see myself fucking for the rest of my life, but we absolutely were not compatible as people. And I just flat out don’t want kids. Worse was the fact that she came from a devoutly religious background. She had moved away from all that, but actually being faced with pregnancy and abortion brings out people’s authentic core values. I knew …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 11:16 PM
6

Galaxy brain take my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 10:13 PM
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For starters, all relationships end. And most end before one of the parties dies. So the whole “I knew a couple who opened up and then they split” stuff that gets trotted out in these discussions doesn’t actually mean much. The question is if what split them up was a direct consequence of opening up. In my experience it’s usually a malignant element already present in the dynamic that is at most aggravated by the introduction of other partners. All that said, however, I’m not an advocate for ope…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 09:49 PM
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I have. And that’s one of the many reasons I’ve come to the conclusions I have about TRP. TRP has two main axes: practical and theoretical. The practical axis really does just boil down to what I’ve been saying. It’s unremarkable to the point of being laughable. The vast majority of ink spilled by terps is about the theoretical aspect. And it’s not impressive. Sure, it’s a decently fleshed-out framework for explaining some human behaviors, but it’s only convincing if you’re unfamiliar with readi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 01:35 PM
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That’s what I was getting at. TRP is just standard generic advice that everyone knows all gussied up in bad layreadings of evolutionary psychology and sociobiology. It’s just dross on top of really pedestrian advice. That’s why I’m automatically skeptical of anyone impressed by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 12:07 AM
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No. I’ll pass. The fact that you opted to position yourself as my editor rather than my interlocutor tells me that any discussion with you will be a maddening circle of semantic debate and bad faith argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 10:33 PM
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Terps are frauds by definition. One of the things that gets repeated here and elsewhere is that “naturals” don’t need TRP. Beyond that, the core of redpill advice is “look decent, be interesting, don’t be thirsty.” The rest is bad readings of already shaky evpsych/sociobiology. But that kernel of advice is so painfully obvious that I am seriously skeptical about the potential for improvement of anyone for whom it’s revelatory. Especially those who are so affected by it that they end up consideri…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 10:31 PM
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I’m with the one I intend to be with forever. With hindsight, I’d set my number back down to twenty if I could. Especially if I could choose the ones I gained the most valuable sexual and relationship experience from. Where I’m at now, I’ve made too many enemies by outcompeting other dudes and my girl and I are are constantly running into women I’ve been with if we go anywhere. She mostly rolls her eyes at it and kind of enjoys being the one I decided to settle down with, but I know it also wear…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 05:17 PM
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Most people don’t like terps because it’s really uncomfortable being around anyone who’s obviously LARPing. Fremdschämen is real and nobody likes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:56 PM
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How are we defining rape? A man being forcibly raped by a woman or group of women is possible (especially with the aid of a firearm; the dudes talking tough on here must either think they’re bulletproof or have trouble getting their dicks hard), but exceedingly rare. When it does happen it should be taken seriously. If we’re including manipulative coercion then it’s more common than people realize. And it’s often more sinister than a dude just being browbeaten into a pityfuck. It’s happened to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 03:35 PM
1

That doesn’t hold up to even cursory historical scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 09:14 PM
1

Creepy or not is all about a dude’s ability to sell it. Physical attractiveness is a huge part of that, but not the only component. The harder a courting behavior is to sell, the closer it is to objectively creepy. Making eye contact with a woman on the bus without striking up a conversation, then showing up at her work three days later, softly rubbing yourself through your basketball shorts, and quietly moaning? Nobody’s selling that. Anything short of that can probably be sold by a sufficientl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 03:48 PM
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Depends what’s at stake. I don’t exclusively go for chubby women (and the chick in the picture isn’t my type), but I like a serious hourglass with big tits so sometimes that means going above a size 6 and being realistic about some of the physical stuff that comes along with it. My experience is that larger girls are no more or less picky at first about who they’ll fuck. They know the rules of the game just like anyone else. But these are also the women who are more likely to fall hard and fast …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 05:30 PM
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Unless the first woman has an extremely atypical fat distribution pattern, that picture has been photoshopped to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 04:49 PM
2

“Is it okay if I fuck you?” “You want this dick, don’t you?” Both confirm consent. One is terribly unsexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 10:10 PM
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No, they were white, native born, American men. Because sexual assault is an issue in our culture. But it isn’t as much of an issue as it is in some cultures while simultaneously being worse than in others. My point isn’t that immigrants are evil (I just plain don’t believe this), it’s that you can’t maintain logical consistency arguing that sexual assault has a cultural component while categorically excluding the possibility that it might be worse in other cultures. A factual illustration of yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 09:52 PM
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It doesn’t matter. If behaviors like sexual assault have a cultural component (which they must for education to be a viable preventative intervention), then it stands to reason that different cultures would have different attitudes toward, rates, and common forms of sexual assault. Your and her statements are ultimately rooted in the same line of reasoning. The issue here is that you haven’t fully thought through your premises and are uncomfortable with some of their likely (and possibly inevita…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 09:12 PM
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You posited child rearing as an intervention to stop sexual assault before it happens. Child rearing is largely culturally defined. She essentially said how this person was raised in his culture likely affected his behavior. Neither statement is necessarily bigoted and they aren’t in conflict with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 08:35 PM
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I’ve literally had female acquaintances of mine talk about making dudes entertain them via dating apps and texting. And I’m not paraphrasing. “Entertain” is the word used. For dudes who aren’t interesting or hot enough, that’s the reality. I can’t blame those guys for getting resentful. It’s a shitty way to treat another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 03:02 PM
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Men who experience sexual abundance absolutely do see our standards shift. Abundance vs. scarcity is the decisive factor at play here. This phenomenon is only gendered insofar as sexual abundance is less common for men than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 05:20 PM
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One of the problems with doing further research on the impact of pornography on its viewers is that it’s become difficult to get IRBs and other oversight bodies to approve new studies precisely because of the negative effects shown by previous research. The studies that can be done today rely on surveys and other similar tools rather than controlled lab methods due to it being considered unethical to subject people to things known to be harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 01:21 PM
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You absolutely do not understand the UMC and especially not the UC. Status and blending in are vital to maintaining the connections required to stay UMC/UC. Partner choice is subject to this reality. Most UMC/UC men will wife women who fit the mold (Mormon housewife is passé; think more along the lines of smart but not intimidatingly so, liberal arts degree, blonde ponytail, Instagram feed full of yoga content and inspirational memes with papyrus font, and very mainstream liberal politics). Who …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 07:25 PM
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Terps act like compromise and giving are always signs of weakness because nothing they counsel comes naturally to them. That’s literally why that community exists. It’s about feigning masculine virtue in hopes that it will eventually develop. You absolutely can be considerate without being “beta.” The question is if you appear to be granting something or surrendering something. The former is done from a position of strength and security. The latter from weakness and insecurity. If you’re weak an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 08:37 PM
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Yes. I know a woman who’s a serial cheater. Cheats on everyone. And she’s relatively low S/RMV but exclusively fucks (and attempts to date) up the chain. There’s no rhyme or reason to whether the guys she cheats with are higher or lower MV than the guy she’s cheating on. She’s torpedoed relationships with dudes who were so far out of her league for strange that was a lot closer to her level. Why? Because she hates herself. She was sexualized in a way that left her with a lot of self worth issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 05:44 PM
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My experience as a tall dude (a little over 6’5”) is that it’s basically the male equivalent of having big tits: most chicks like it but it’s the outliers who either loathe it or require it. For what it’s worth, my girlfriend is 5’2”. I’m the tallest dude she’s ever dated and she insists it’s not actually something that works in my favor with her. And I believe her. Whenever she tells people the story of our meet, she never mentions noticing my height. And her go to FWB between relationships is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 01:14 AM
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This question is fucking retarded. The minority of men are “Chads.” The vast majority of adults are in relationships. It’s simple arithmetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 12:36 PM
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Sure, but I have to generalize based on something. That’s literally how human thought works. We observe things and draw conclusions based on that. It seems like you’d prefer I either not generalize at all (impossible given how consciousness works) or generalize based on your experience alone (irrational given the weight of the evidence to the contrary). In your first reply to me you mentioned my generalization making you “really angry.” And over the course of this discussion you’ve based your co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 07:09 PM
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Okay. And what I keep saying is that the only counterexample you’re citing is yourself. A sample size of precisely one. Whereas I’m drawing my conclusion from my female friends, friends of theirs they’ve told me about, and the large number of women I’ve been the go to FWB for. It’s a significantly larger sampling of women who, while not terribly demographically diverse, are probably pretty close to the women men on this sub would be pursuing. You’ll have to forgive me for remaining unconvinced b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 05:08 PM
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Sure. Not all. You’re not. But (FROM MY EXPERIENCE) enough are that it’s the assumption most guys should have when setting expectations for new relationships with women under 40 in the major population centers of the western world. Otherwise guys end up with bizarre expectations that lead to disappointment and discord.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 04:35 PM
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I’ve acknowledged that I’m working with anecdata and that it’s imperfect as a methodology. I’ve also acknowledged that their experience doesn’t account for yours. So what, precisely, are you arguing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 04:30 PM
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Perhaps. But it’s what I have to go on. So far the only counterexample you’ve cited is yourself. That is what YOU are doing. That doesn’t represent all single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 04:20 PM
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I don’t. And you’re right about that. I’m generalizing from conversations I have with my female friends. Of which there are many. And from there observing signs of and references to it in the general culture. But this is all anecdata. A lot of it, granted, but nothing actually scientifically empirical. However, it appears you’re either generalizing your individual experience or taking my observation of behavioral trends as an invalidation of your experience. The first is even more fallacious tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:38 PM
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If that’s working for you, cool. Keep doing it. But it absolutely isn’t the norm for women (especially those in major population centers) below 40 in the western world. I’m talking about observed norms here, not behavioral outliers or prescriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:19 PM
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Absolutely. My boyfriend traits aren’t “BB” (I’m solidly working class), but in a serious relationship I’m a caretaker. Need someone to help you corral your cats for a vet appointment? I got you. Need someone to fix that lightswitch that’s been on the fritz for years? Sorry your past boyfriends were trash, but I got it. You’re sleeping in on your first Saturday off in months? Cool. I’m an early riser so I’ll cook breakfast and we’ll eat on the roofdeck when you wake up. But no woman comes to me …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:13 PM
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Not all sexually active single women are promiscuous. From what I’ve seen, the norm is a FWB or two who serve as go to fallbacks and placeholders between relationships. Me saying that single girls fuck isn’t me saying that single girls are fucking everything that walks. The “cock carousel” is largely an incel fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:02 PM
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Tell me more. Because I haven’t met many. Mind you, I’m not judging. In the past I benefited greatly from this reality. But I encourage other dudes to make peace with the “is” of single girls fucking rather than fixating on the “ought” of chaste girls who are just waiting for the right guy to LTR them so they can finally cut loose and have rough anal sex every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 12:23 AM
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Assume all single women—even ones who aren’t really dating around—are getting dick. And assume she’s keeping that dick around until you two have a talk about exclusivity. How much you care to know about her sex life as a single woman depends on your level of ability to deal with the facts that single girls fuck and girls are single up until they’re explicitly not. Brunch? Coffee? Drinks? It would be insane to consider things like that cheating when the reality is she’s getting dicked down once a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 10:29 PM
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This is life for anyone who isn’t ugly, an autist, or from an extremely traditional/religious background.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 09:47 PM
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I tend to find myself in both roles, but rarely with much overlap. And when they do overlap, the latter almost always leads to trouble with the former. Men respect dudes who fuck, but only when the notion of dude fucking is safely abstract. If it’s real enough for them to see dude as competition, things get bad. Life is far more fulfilling as the former though. Hence me largely hanging up my spurs as the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:35 PM
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I’m a wall of a man with a neck tattoo who holds doors for people and always thanks the bus driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 11:20 PM
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Back when I was dating around a few years ago pretty much all of my first dates were dinner. And just about all of them were smashing successes. Occasionally we’d do something else, but even then I’d pick up the tab. It’s not an anxiety or conflict producing discussion if it’s just not a discussion. When it’s time to pay, just do it while matter of factly but warmly informing your date that you’ve got it. If she insists on helping, playfully say you might let her pay next time. If she’s actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 01:30 PM
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An alternate explanation is that the metrics used to gauge MV are generally accurate in the aggregate, but not universally normative in day to day individual interactions. IE enough factors contribute to MV to create success for individuals who possess them while being uncommon enough to not significantly register in overall evaluations of the MP. The wide lens used to view the MP in this sub and others only has sufficient resolution to capture the small number of universally attractive traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 01:17 PM
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The manosphere won’t. It’s part of the superstructural cultural realm and it’s a fringe element at that. The economic material base of traditional masculinity no longer exists. What we see as the traditional masculine virtues (moral integrity, forthrightness, physical courage, unwillingness to compromise one’s dignity) are holdovers from slave society and feudalism and are inimical to getting along under capitalism. And the hold men used to have on power via economic domination of the family uni…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 05:04 AM
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Ding ding ding. My girlfriend was born into section 8 housing, accurately describes her family background as white trash, and put herself through an internationally renowned college that set her up for her version of success. I respect the hell out of her and I’m gonna marry her. The UMC bitches I’ve dated have been materialistic, taken things for granted, and cared way too much about what they’re “supposed” to do. My girl’s thrifty, grateful for everything she has or that I give her, and can’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:48 AM
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what do you actually achieve/obtain after sleeping with 1k woman? Nothing. Literally nothing. Sex is not a constructive activity. It’s pleasurable, but it creates nothing of tangible value (unless you’re reproducing). Putting this much time into getting laid means not putting that time into productive pursuits.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 02:38 AM
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I absolutely do not believe this. One of the reasons I gave up manslutting was the opportunity cost in terms of time spent. And one of the things I frequently cited when I was talking about changing my lifestyle was that I wasn’t reading enough. A person only has so many hours in a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 02:32 AM
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Didn’t read the AMA, but as a dude who’s slept with over 100, my answer is an unequivocal no. After a certain point, sex loses its novelty and you realize that it’s not worth the various costs and that so many other pursuits in life are more fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 02:30 AM
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More like gaols, considering he got caught.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 07:22 PM
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Haircuts: once a week or more. And I do it myself. An advantage of shaving your head. Shaving: every day or every other day. Clothes: I acquire new pieces pretty frequently. And yes, I know what fits me. Most importantly, I have a good relationship with a seamstress. Altering a shirt costs fifteen bucks. There’s no excuse for wearing shirts that don’t fit. I fucking hate ironing though. So I treat my clothes in a way where they rarely need it, and when they do I get them professionally pressed. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 11:05 PM
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Even subtracting periods where I’ve been in monogamous or mostly monogamous relationships, my n only averages out to a little over one new partner a month after losing my virginity. That’s actually not all that difficult. I’m not ugly, attractive in other ways, and have mostly worked public facing jobs where it was at least somewhat acceptable to flirt with the clientele. And to speak to a point in that odd argument downthread, I’ve never paid for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 12:49 PM
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For various reasons, I suspect I’m not actually handsome. And if I am, it’s absolutely not conventionally so. My hunch is that’s a halo from everything else, much of which is demeanor related. Most people don’t think much about why they’re attracted to someone. All of us on this sub are weird for even having these discussions. For your average person, someone’s handsome or pretty if they find them attractive. They apply the easy words and move on with their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 05:02 AM
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Neither, I’d say. Most PUA advice is bullshit for gamers and autists who think everything has a manual. As for my attractiveness, I’m not bad, but I’m certainly not what manosphere dudes are constantly going on about. I get called handsome frequently, but it’s not in a conventional way. And I’m definitely not perfectly symmetrical. But I’m tall, naturally strong, have a deep voice (I get complimented on my voice pretty much any day I leave the house), maintain eye contact, a good conversationali…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 04:15 AM
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No. Only two that count. The others were when I was young and weren’t all that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 04:04 AM
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Male, age 39, USA, n 100+, lost virginity at 16, monogamous relationship from age 24 until age 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 08:23 PM
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Lowest N counts my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 01:39 PM
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My most conventionally attractive male friend is on his second Prius now. And his wife is a total babe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 01:37 PM
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Bezos Married. Desirable enough to cheat with a minor celebrity. Branson Married. Musk Dating a celebrity. Gates Married. Zuck Married to a high achieving Asian, which is pretty much the ultimate status wife for a secular Ashkenazic Jew. These guys aren’t out picking up little 22 year old hardbodies every night a la Patrick Bateman, but that’s not what empire builders do. These are mostly* dudes who think in the long term. And clearly they have no trouble attracting and keeping long term partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 12:29 AM
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People who stay subcultured past their teens tend to be less cliquey about who they consider one of their own. Old goths hang out with old punks hang out with old mods and so on. I’ve been pretty deeply subcultured since I was 14, so it just comes naturally. Despite not being goth looking, I’m still a guy who’s covered in tattoos and owns a lot of Sisters Of Mercy vinyl. Granted, I started dating goth chicks in high school. The key then and now seems to be being able to appreciate their aestheti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 09:31 PM
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So that little rhetorical flourish there at the end? Shit like that feeds terps and other manosphere tards. I didn’t explain your experience as a woman to you. I shared (a summary of) the anecdotal experiences of a number of women I know who I (gasp) listen to when they talk. Throwaway quips like that might work on sad little bloops or get you a “yas kween” like or two on Facebook, but ultimately they’re counterproductive in a forum like this one. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 03:42 PM
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Oh yeah. Definitely not copper. I’ve known two women with copper and their periods were nuts. But like I told the other commenter, most women I’ve known with Mirena IUDs have had good outcomes that included cessation of menstruation and hormonal fluctuations. Weight gain for most has been manageable and something governing my sex drive would probably be helpful given that in this new set of life circumstances sex has become far riskier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 01:02 PM
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Not magic, but the majority of women I’ve known with hormonal IUDs have had good outcomes. Given that this is never actually going to happen, I felt safe going with majority experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 12:55 PM
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I’d be so fucked in terms of dating. Even at five inches shorter I’d be over six feet tall. And assuming my values stayed the same I’d mostly be dating in progressive circles. Even as a straight guy I don’t really get along all that well with dudes with no balls and I can’t imagine being taller than most of them while simultaneously trying to get fucked. Dating as my female equivalent sounds like hell for so many reasons. But if my sex drive stayed the same I’d probably end up having lots of emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 09:12 PM
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Anecdotal, but what I’ve observed contradicts that. I know a dude who’s been pretty much the king of his social milieu locally for years. And most girls in it have at least a small crush on him. He exclusively dates fat chicks despite his scene having women of all sizes in it. And only a small minority of women I’ve seen him with have been the “but you have such a pretty face” types. A good friend of mine who has no trouble getting women exclusively goes for women who are lean to emaciated and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 08:08 PM
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Men subjected to sexual scarcity don’t have types. Find yourself in a situation of sustained sexual plenty and you’ll eventually learn your type.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 07:28 PM
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This is only true if the problems between the sexes are caused exclusively by the other sex. If the issues are at least in part the result of greater social forces independent of the sexes, then things can be improved for both by affecting those conditions. It was a fun gotcha shower thought, but it only works if the SMP is a closed, isolated system. It’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 06:13 PM
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The fact that your post was technically in response to a bot makes it even better. But fully agreed on that first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 01:03 AM
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Nah. I’ve witnessed what OP is talking about. Independence for women is hard-won and precarious. Dudes who appear to be simultaneously looking for a LTR and worthy of one threaten independence. I’ve had female friends explicitly say this to me. Similarly, I know a woman who’s the total package: extremely intelligent, emotionally mature, ambitious, conventionally pretty, and sexy as hell. She’s in a Ph.D program and has a stated policy of only sleeping with fuckboys or dudes in open relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:35 PM
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After oil runs out and the nukes fly, Lord Humungus will roam the wasteland, master of all he surveys, keeping females and catamites alike as chattels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 09:11 PM
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I take issue with the assertion that men treat promiscuous men well in most cases. Men treat promiscuous men they don’t regard as their competitors well. And that’s it. If you’re the competition and you’re successful other dudes are going to hate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 08:15 PM
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I didn’t say the dude was perfect. Nobody is. Doesn’t change the fact for the most part he publicly modeled a type of mature masculinity that’s sorely lacking in contemporary popular culture. And anyway, I’d argue that dying on your own terms and for your own reasons is admirable. A great philosopher once said, “suicide is badass.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:45 PM
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I consider Anthony Bourdain a better example of positive masculinity, but Joe’s cut from similar cloth. Joe just seems like he’s trying a little too hard sometimes. It seems like a lot of terps mistake kindness for weakness. Men like Bourdain put the lie to that mentality. He was kind to people and always willing to try new things and meet people on their own terms, all the while seeming undiminished for it. He didn’t have to play the tyrant because he was secure enough in himself that by allowi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 10:58 PM
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Can confirm. Got this all the time working in a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:58 PM
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Never from a coworker, but definitely in the workplace. Probably the worst instance was a night in my bouncer days. There was a girl I had a flirty thing with and she was in the bar that night with her friends. The chick was fine, but her friends were way out of line. They were trying to pressure me into banging out their friend in the bathroom. Over and over throughout the course of the night they kept coming over to me and telling me how she needed it, how I was being an asshole for declining,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:57 PM
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I capped out at a high school diploma. And that was after five years. All of my serious partners have had a bachelor’s at the very least, and I’ve dated my fair share of women with Ph.Ds. Works out just fine. I’m self-educated and more than smart enough to keep up. Plus, they get the rough tattooed guy fantasy without the room temperature IQ that usually accompanies the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 10:14 PM
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Have you ever been immersed in hookup culture and led a promiscuous lifestyle? Men absolutely can self harm via sex. As a bouncer I observed it (you watch a lot of people cope with loneliness self-destructively when you work in a bar) and as a manwhore I lived it to a certain extent. Men can and do prioritize sex to the detriment of other, more important, things in life and the competitive nature of the SMP means that male success is necessarily to the detriment of other men. This makes you enem…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:34 PM
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Selection bias, most likely. Are you running redpill game? If so, you’re attracting women who respond to that sort of thing. AWALT is bullshit. But AW who are attracted to redpill monkey business absolutely ALT. “Play stupid games...” and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 07:22 PM
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Not Leo because they’ve already been approached by his crew on his behalf while he sits at a VIP table looking like he hasn’t washed his hair in two weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:33 PM
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From a man to women: Bring more to the table. This is especially true if you’re using apps. If a guy looks like he’s worth dating on an app, he’s in the upper echelons of what you’d go for had you met in the wild. This means he’s fucking other women, and unless you’re exceptional, expect to be fuckzoned. It’s fine to have human flaws and frailties. But make up for them in other ways. If you’re trying to LTR a dude you’re fucking off an app, you’re competing with other women for the same thing. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:37 PM
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I’m a guy who gets sent to work with lunch every day by a petite little thing with perfectly round, gravity-defying, natural 30Fs. And you’ll never hear me brag about her being obedient and submissive. Because she’s not. She’s a grown ass woman who just likes too cook and do right by people she cares about. Dudes who brag about their partners, especially serious ones, being submissive and obedient either select for very damaged women or will find themselves single sooner rather than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:42 PM
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What it’s supposed to mean: expressions of traditional or stereotypical masculine behavior that are antisocial and/or harmful to the person performing them. This is real and should be critiqued. What it ends up meaning on social media: expressions of traditional or stereotypical behavior that are in the moment unattractive, annoying, inconveniencing, or disadvantageous to the millennial woman observing them. This is bullshit and should be called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 09:48 PM
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Most of the comments are dressing the guy down for having no integrity or discipline. And that’s a good thing. This guy’s a classic low self-esteem late bloomer chasing the external validation he never got as an adolescent. Now that his wife’s in shape she should leave him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 05:15 PM
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Fits with my anecdotal experience. My female friends who sleep around are constantly dealing with bad emotions management on the part of dudes. The catch is that when these girls finally catch feelings and want more, it’s always for dudes who are taken, out of their leagues, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:56 PM
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Two off the cuff ideas since I’m at a wedding and don’t have time for a real post. First: the West is in the moment either immediately after or prior to the death of patriarchy. Most social power is still held by men, but that’s largely a function of historical circumstance rather than a self-perpetuating system like the one formerly in place. One of the symptoms of this is a deepening of the crisis of masculinity already engendered by capitalism. This crisis has led to the production of lower q…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:27 AM
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If she’s gotta ask, you’re fucking up. Ideally the chemistry should be right so she can cum without it and it’s a bonus when you do it, but if that’s not the case, go down eagerly, often, and unprompted. And you’re a fake little bottom bitch if you can’t maintain a dominant energy while eating a girl’s box. I will die on this hill. As for thinking that paying attention to a woman’s pleasure is “beta;” that was obviously said by someone who’s never dicknotized a woman. Nothing puts you in the dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 10:14 PM
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We don't do open relationship things and stay away from poly, we are a devoted couple who sport fucks others now and then. Literally the only way to make any of that stuff work. Poly is a nightmare and watching the drama, complication, and instability that poly couples take for granted is trainwreck shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:51 AM
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Please go on. This should be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 08:59 AM
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12 intercourse. We started dating when she was 30. No intentional one nighters. There were a few where the sex was so disappointing that she didn’t go back for seconds. Not sure how many dudes she’s blown. I just know she had a policy of going down on anyone after the first or second date if things were going well because she didn’t want to end up getting romantically attached to a dude with a cock too small to satisfy her. Considering she didn’t date around all that much, I’m absolutely certain…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 01:56 AM
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Nah. Anyone who’s actually been in any fights knows that you’re gonna lose some. That’s real life. Bitching out is a far greater loss of dignity than taking a stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 12:43 PM
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Personally, I respect the hell out of a dude who’ll start a fight he’s guaranteed to lose if it’s over a matter of honor. Especially his wife’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 10:23 AM
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Pretty much, yes. TRP/PUA is an attempt to create a manual for attracting the worst women under the mistaken premise that AWALT. It’s a great way to sleaze your way into the panties of high drama hosebeasts with borderline personality disorder. Aside from the physical, actually developing good character (this is distinct from just being nice) is a more successful long term strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:08 PM
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He didn’t say you have trouble getting laid. That’s your experience. He’s disputing your unsourced statistic based on his anecdotal observation that English chicks are hooers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 02:49 PM
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The most radicalized men-hating females are nonwhite females that were rejected by white men. These females secretly despise white women because white women are the first choice of alpha men but they can't hate on women due to feminism so instead they chimp out against men. This was just posted in another thread here. I didn’t even have to cherry pick to find something insane. An hour old comment from literally the first thread I clicked after replying to you. And shit like this gets posted here…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 02:38 PM
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Far more outlandish claims with far greater degrees of hyperbole are made here regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 02:28 PM
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The former. I mean, look what sub we’re on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 02:19 PM
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Former bouncer here. That never happens. Bartenders are there to get paid, and basic bitches and bros barely tip at all, let alone on free shit. They don’t understand how the service industry works. Bartenders basically flirt for a living. Their game is way sharper than overgenerous gifts and they’re not gonna fall all over themselves just because someone’s cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 12:09 AM
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My girlfriend works in the non-profit sector. And yes, part of her motivation is wanting to do good in the world. But she’s also honest that her personality type not being suited to the cutthroat environment of the for-profit realm is at least as significant a factor. Non-profit lifers are often similarly oriented. Those who make the jump from non- to for- often do so as part of a premeditated professional development plan. Non-profit work can serve as a résumé buffing technique. Women frequentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 05:14 PM
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INTJ. No. And MBTI is dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 01:17 AM
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u trollin son?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:34 PM
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The real story here is that there’s a black guy who won’t fuck fat white girls. Daily Mail really buried the lede. My hunch is he saw her jawline and realized he had a Sophie’s choice: get called a transphobe for rejecting her because she was born a dude or get called a misogynist for rejecting her because she’s carrying a few extra pounds. But let’s be real, this is just social media bumfights.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:45 PM
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This is straight up retarded. There’s nothing inherently masculine about eating meat. The vast majority of people in the west, male or female, eat meat. It’s just part of the standard diet. And in my experience, men are at least as bad as women when it comes to irrationally linking meat consumption and masculinity. More men than women have said dumb things to me about my adhering to a vegan diet. My hunch is that it’s typical twenty first century fragile masculinity bullshit. Most men these days…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 04:07 PM
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My mom was a second wave feminist activist in the 1970s during the early years of her marriage with my father. Even upon retiring from activism, her values didn’t change. My upbringing reflected that. There was no porn in the house, I was reared to see men and women as equals, etc. As far as relationship modeling goes, my parents demonstrated equitable power sharing. My father is a decisive person and a natural leader, but my mother could and did object as she saw fit. I’d say this upbringing be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 09:10 PM
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Why would a guy want to settle down when hes getting pussy thrown at him? Because, to quote Chris Rock, “new pussy can’t cook.” I’m a guy who’s had a lot of pussy thrown at him over the years. Still do. Not a day goes by that I don’t get multiple IOIs from women I interact with. But I’m in a LTR. Eventually you get to the point where you realize that adult life is meant to be navigated in pairs, that there’s more fulfillment to be found in stability, and that building something is far more worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 08:23 PM
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Unless you accurately cite and quote a position against which you’re arguing, you’re merely knocking down a strawman. Feminism is a diverse set of often conflicting critical positions. For instance, transfeminists and gender critical radical feminists have diametrically opposed views of the relationship between sex, gender, and the subject. And even within those groups there’s diversity of opinion (in the latter camp, for example, there’s disagreement over whether testosterone or socialization c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 11:36 PM
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Yup. I’d say it’s an unspoken rule, but really it’s only the actors that don’t admit it. Pretty much all bodybuilders and plenty of athletes talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 12:31 AM
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That guy works out like it’s his job (and if he’s a model it kind of is) and hasn’t actually enjoyed a meal in close to a decade. The sort of attention you have to pay to calorie counts and composition frankly isn’t worth it unless you’re getting paid. I say this as someone who works out regularly but still eats like a somewhat normal person. And yes, he’s almost certainly juicing. Among serious bodybuilders it’s taken for granted and talked about openly. It’s not just the mass monsters either. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 12:28 AM
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If the only options are a binary of stay at home parent or near feral levels of casual neglect, then yes, a SAHP is obviously preferable. Capitalism has done serious damage to the family (and consequently children) by taking both parents out of the home and not offering a replacement that provides adequate guidance, affection, and security. But there are other possible models for effective child rearing that take the onus off of the biological parents and make it a generalized community responsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 03:09 AM
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I only care about this divorce if it means there’s less to redistribute after Bezos gets the guillotine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 03:51 AM
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Because Americans are economically illiterate and fully immersed in the spectacle (in the sense Debord used the word). We let mass entertainment media determine our notions of normalcy and averageness instead of openly discussing and examining our own lived experience. 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Yet mass entertainment media still depicts the familial financial stability of the 1950s white middle class as the current norm. We think we’re abnormal for being financially insecure an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 06:14 PM
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Alien abduction is also a common trope. Attainment of trope status is unrelated to the veracity of a phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 02:48 PM
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Does this actually happen all that frequently though? I’m aware that it’s a common trope in popular fiction, but the realm of fiction behaves according to its own laws. So often the illustrative scenario examples trotted out in debates on this sub are from fiction. Data (or at least anecdata) or GTFO should be the new rule here. Arguing fiction is for bookclubs. In my own experience, I know of two couples where the wives essentially put the husbands through elite law schools. One is my parents a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:34 PM
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As someone who’s been in a hiring position before, understands how any experience can be used to inform a person’s perspective, and doesn’t believe in the permanent marginalization of ex-felons, yes. If a sufficient span of time had passed without reoffending, I’d absolutely give the person a shot. And I’d hope to use his expertise to better control shrink.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 09:58 PM
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Also it in no way depicts the experience and perspective of a real woman. Fantine is a character from a work of fiction written by a man. Citing fiction is rarely a good way to support an argument. Even worse when it’s fiction that embodies a perspective alien to the experience being debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:11 PM
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“Women want undesirable men to disappear” is a standard incel talking point, but I don’t really see it being discussed in PPD. You might be in the wrong sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 11:14 PM
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Unconditional love is the domain of Christ. If you want love from a son or daughter of Adam rather than the son of God, be prepared to put in work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 05:34 PM
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Look at traditional Indian social and family structures. Highly patriarchal in terms of gender relations, but young children are treated like royalty in families that can afford it. Even poor parents are expected to sacrifice dearly for their kids and spoil them as best they can. Indian parents, especially mothers, are expected to wait on young children on hand and foot. This is a pretty clear example of a society prioritizing children over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 12:21 AM
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But this is the epistemological and rhetorical foundation of this sub. “I know what you believe better than you do, and you’re lying if you disagree.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 01:36 PM
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Or 3) sharing experiences and working together to build sustainable security. Obviously, some of those shared experiences should be exciting. But this is true of individual experiences as well. People wither from boredom. But excitement isn’t the basis of a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 01:33 PM
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Being a steadfast, reliable partner doesn’t make you a worshipful “beta.” This attitude is symptomatic of insecure men who are merely LARPing as masculine, confident, and assertive. Overcompensating by acting like an asshole is tied to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 01:25 PM
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But she said it’s because she’s picky. If her writing style is anything to go by, it’s really because she’s insufferable in that very specific basic bitch in denial sort of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:00 PM
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I’d probably be considered blue. Mostly because I think the core of redpill advice is obvious to the point of being stupid (be desirable, take care of your shit; the fact that this is revelatory says more about the dysfunction of the people who need TRP than anything else) and that most RP explanations for what makes physically active men with a modicum of confidence attractive are really bad. Abusing and misinterpreting science isn’t necessary when most of the phenomena being discussed have far…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:40 PM
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Good post. Backed hard. Microlabeling and pathologizing normalcy is for specials.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:04 AM
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Are you forming actual friendships with these women and getting to know them or are they just fuckbuddy plates? I ask because the dynamic is very different. Arrogance can attract women for the latter in the short term, but they’ll tire of it and sooner rather than later join the chorus of your detractors. The best longterm strategy is being confident and forthright while also being a good dude. TRP has helped you blossom. Good. Now you have to decide if you’re going to be a rose or a corpseflowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:16 PM
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You mentioned being arrogant. Learn to be confident without being arrogant and this sort of reaction will probably evaporate. Nobody likes an asshole and longterm it’s a bad plan. You’ll make enemies. People might speak truth for the wrong reasons, but it’s still worth finding what’s real in what they say. If people are telling you you’re a dick, listen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 11:05 PM
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Nope. As many have already chimed in, getting laid and having fulfilling relationships are two very different things. Getting laid is a way to momentarily dull the loneliness. But it doesn’t change the underlying personal and situational factors that lead to loneliness. Adult life in America (and basically most of the West) is structured to be experienced as one half of a pair. Singletons don’t get to do that and often end up feeling lonely because of it. A FWB isn’t going to family holidays wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 06:41 PM
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Because this is the internet and most people can’t resist dunking on stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 05:35 PM
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STOP TOUCHING STRANGERS This is one of the many things PUAs talk about that’s always baffled me. Why the fuck are you touching random strangers in the first place? Strike up a conversation, hold it, maintain eye contact, be warm and relaxed, then say “let’s get out of here.” It’s not that hard and it’s way less creepy. If you’re already in private, do the same as above minus the suggestion of a venue change. Instead, find a place in the conversation where there’s a natural lull and playfully but…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:16 PM
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Nobody wants to talk about your fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:42 PM
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So the question here is how I’d react, not how fucked is this dude (extremely, that’s how fucked). If I had well-founded doubts like this guy does, I’d demand a paternity test. And I wouldn’t budge. If that led to the wife threatening divorce, I’d call her bluff. And then use the divorce negotiations as an opportunity to compel testing. I’d have no regrets if they came back showing that I was actually the father. The wife’s behavior in the linked thread is already indicative of problems. Immedia…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 07:35 PM
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On the other hand I can improve my life and not bother trying to entertain the already over-entertained women any longer. This is a truth bomb. Despite doing well for myself, it always annoyed me when I was dating that many women expected to be entertained to be wooed. This is especially true on the apps. People treat them like social media feeds (and yes, it absolutely is problematic the way these platforms turn other people’s lives into entertainment content) instead of utilities to facilitate…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 07:20 PM
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I meant both the men and women in the BDSM scene. A few years back I briefly dated a girl who was deep in the scene. She was significantly better looking than most people in that community. I got dragged along to a happy hour one week and it was like the Mos Eisley cantina. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 06:34 PM
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... proving yourself do be a good, effective Dom in the BDSM scene. The ultimate example of good odds with odd goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 11:17 PM
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What does coming out on top mean to you? Yes, most women are attracted to confidence. There are reasons for this that don’t require biological reductivism or evpsych just so stories. But the sort of arrogance you’re talking about only attracts a certain type of woman. And in my experience, having one or more of them in your life absolutely is not coming out on top. It’s a constant grind of drama, shit tests, and brinksmanship as flirtation. No thanks. Healthy behaviors and attitudes are appealin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 11:15 PM
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Cervical orgasms. That shit is real and a sight to behold. But you don’t have to be some kind of Don Johnson to make it happen. I’m above average without being huge and I reliably give them. The dudes on here who are obsessed with other guys’ enormous dongs watch too much porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 07:25 PM
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Red: 1.) Hit the gym. You don’t have to be Mr. Universe, but being in decent shape definitely makes you more attractive. Plus, routine and discipline in one area of your life will help you establish the same elsewhere. 2.) Play the field. Nothing succeeds like success and a dude who gets around (so long as he conducts himself ethically) is more likely to be assumed to be a decent lay. Just as importantly, a guy with options is less likely to come off as an emotional burden. This is vital. Most w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:51 PM
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Never been called that before. If you think a person can’t do what I outlined while simultaneously being kind of an asshole in a fun way, see the first part of my initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:14 PM
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I’m gonna be simultaneously overbearing and emotionally distant. I’ll have unreasonably high expectations while offering little in the way of encouragement or support. My kid will basically have to keep house and will have no freedom to explore his or her own preferences and identity. It’ll also be clear to my kid that he or she is pretty much my property until age 18 and that he or she will never be good enough for me or as good as me. And if I’m not constantly told I’m father of the year I’m g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:02 PM
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Listen to them when they talk, don’t interrupt them, seek out their opinions on things, learn from them, don’t explain their own experience to them, take their preferences into account when making decisions, disagree without patronizing, take no for an answer (after maybe a little playful pushback), show appreciation for acts of kindness and reciprocate appropriately, etc. Pretty much the basics of healthy, adult interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:06 PM
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Yup. It’s the fantasy of leadership versus the reality of it. And specifically a fantasy rooted in the dissonant resentment and reverence for authority that defines the toady as a personality type.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 11:57 AM
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I like staring into the abyss.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 04:04 PM
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Emulating stereotypically masculine behavior is playacting for men to whom authentic masculinity is alien. It’s usually pretty sad to witness. I’m vegan, drink coke with grenadine when I’m out at bars, and respect women. And I do just fine with women who prefer masculine dudes. You’ve either got it or you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:53 PM
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Nothing. Humans at this point in history don’t have alphas. We might “naturally,” but we’re not in a state of nature. Civilization is a ten thousand year exercise in creating structures that blunt and redirect our animal instincts. It’s been largely successful. I’m close to 6’6”, largely built, naturally masculine, have a deep voice, good in an emergency, comfortable with confrontation and violence, easy to talk to, blah blah blah. And I’ve been put in leadership positions in all of my endeavors…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:39 PM
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Nah. Being a decent human being is a competitive advantage for women in this situation. One of the reasons I picked my girlfriend out of the options I had was that she didn’t play games and treats people like people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 06:34 PM
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Your last sentence is absolutely correct. Your first, however, isn’t. The numbers we have, both about messaging activity on OKCupid (which due to a lack of other data is being generalized to online dating as a whole) and about how women rate male attractiveness, point to 80/20 being the general pattern. ⁠Every woman knows she’s in competition with other women in the dating world. This is not a secret. But they don’t know how fierce the competition really is. That’s where the reality of the 80/20…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:44 PM
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My dad gave me basically no dating advice, but he did give me a marriage tip: find the smartest girl you can stand and hold on to her. It worked for him. My mom’s extremely intelligent and they’ve had a happy 48 years so far. I’ve taken his advice with my girlfriend. She’s whip-smart and fantastically creative. Her looks caught my eye, but her brain is what made her relationship material. She’s funny, contemplative, perceptive, resourceful, and kind. Looks fade. I’m enjoying hers while she has t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:34 PM
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I think the assumption in the sort of discussions you’re referring to is that there’s face saving behavior, self-deception, or both taking place. While this attitude about one’s interlocutors doesn’t lead to civil, productive discussion, it’s understandable. People are rarely honest with themselves or others about things that don’t mesh with how they’d like to be seen by themselves or others. Sexuality is often a source of much of this internal conflict. For example, I’ve had a number of queer-i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 02:44 AM
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Feeling disliked is unpleasant. Popular discourse has told young women that they should be able to sleep around without fear of social repercussion. They’re not prepared to be met with judgment from some people for doing what’s been encouraged. On the flip side of that, there’s still some of the old anti-slut mentality left in our culture. So the men who value restraint in a potential partner experience similar unease when they’re judged for what they consider to be a perfectly reasonable prefer…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 02:17 PM
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Sure. That’s another effect of increased interconnectedness. But cheating and getting away with cheating are two distinct phenomena. Interconnectedness makes the latter more difficult. The data we have is that cheating is down. This very well could be due to the way the internet and social media affect risk versus reward calculations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:26 PM
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Tons of good stuff here. Thank you. What immediately sprung to mind when I read the infidelity statistic is that this is likely an effect of social media and internet dating. It’s harder to contain information in a highly connected world and getting away with clandestine activity is all about information control. An average dude cheating in 2018 needs to tell the chick she’s a sidepiece up front because she’s definitely gonna find out when she creeps his Instagram or Facebook. Then he needs to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:02 PM
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“Privilege” in the context of “check your privilege” means unearned advantage gained directly through being in a superior position within a socioeconomic system that arrays power unjustly. Not all advantages are the result of privilege. What you’re describing is non-privileged advantage. For example, I’m white and almost 6’6”. Both attributes are advantages. But I have white privilege rather than height privilege. Get the distinction?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 05:27 PM
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That’s not what privilege means, but this is an excellent post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 03:27 PM
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Yeah. That’s factually correct. Any medievalist would tell you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 06:33 PM
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Because they’ve got their own shit to deal with at home. That said, one of the things libfems and radfems fight about other than trans issues is your very question. Libfems tend to ignore or (at best) give unsatisfactory handwave explanations/excuses for Muslim patriarchal excesses. Radfems are less forgiving.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:58 PM
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Radical feminism existed before the current trans kerfuffle. Dworkin was pointing out the inconsistencies between liberalism and feminism decades before unconventional pronouns were an issue. And you’ve grossly misrepresented the perspective of contemporary radical feminists on trans issues. They’re not biological reductivists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 11:04 PM
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Dude. Yes. This absolutely does happen. I was promiscuous as a young man and then extremely so after ending a longterm monogamous relationship that took up most of my early adulthood. It was fun. I had tons of great sex and learned a lot about myself and humanity in general. But there’s more to life. Eventually it just became a grind. People aren’t that original and I found myself having the same flirtatious exchanges over and over. It got boring. I found the time spent getting to the point wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 11:29 PM
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OTOH, my girlfriend of 3.5 years, who earns more than me, chose me over another guy who makes well over twice what I do, loves the shit out of me, and is hot enough to have any dude she wants. Low effort troll is low effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 02:01 PM
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It should. And often does. But couples can and do fuck this up. Fights about money, too much time spent not looking your best, pooping with the door open, etc. Handle your business and preserve some of the magic and the fucking will follow. Succumb to excess comfort and familiarity at your own peril.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 08:14 PM
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Brazil is not America. The fear of sexual violence is real no matter where women go, but it’s ludicrous to maintain that levels of street harassment, random groping, etc are equal across cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:49 PM
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I’m not a lawyer (looks like you are though), but I’m pretty sure men simply can’t terminate parental responsibilities. Period. Unless someone else ponies up and adopts the kid. I’m thinking of a case from a few years ago in either Iowa or Kansas where a lesbian couple had a friend of theirs act as a sperm donor. He was never intended to be involved in the kid’s life etc. Everyone was on the same page. But then the family fell on hard times and applied for some sort of social service. The state …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:40 PM
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And malls are dying. Does this mean that Men really are Going Their Own Way? Did I just get blackpilled? Is that what this feels like? (Seriously though, this is fucking stupid.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:19 PM
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Do you interact with people? “I just called you ugly on the internet. Mind if I post a picture to prove it?” Play out in your head how the rest of that would go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:07 PM
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That’s because you have incel tunnel vision. Which is a damn shame. All I can do is share my experience. I didn’t think she was pretty when I met her. I was actually struck by how not pretty she was. And nobody ever called her pretty to me out of politeness. Not even my parents who loved her like a daughter. The best I ever got was “exotic” due to her mixed Middle Eastern and Eastern European heritage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:59 PM
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I’m not non-consensually posting a picture of my ex just to prove a point. That’s a dick move. And I stayed with her for twelve years despite her issues. That’s above and beyond. The attractiveness of my current girlfriend (who I started dating six months after my ex; ie I didn’t leave for someone hotter) isn’t germane to the fact that my experience with the ex runs counter to your assertion that men only fall like this for pretty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:25 PM
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Not true. I’m an attractive guy. Not an Adonis, but above average enough that I frequently get hit on and certain things in life are easier for me than they really should be. And I felt this way about a woman who isn’t pretty for many years of my adult life. I even put a rock on her finger knowing full well she wasn’t pretty. But she was beautiful to me. In precisely the way described in the OP. Eventually she fucked up the relationship beyond repair and I broke off the engagement, but that had …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 05:25 PM
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Were this true, there wouldn’t currently be massive discord between young queer transwomen and lesbian natal women over the “cotton ceiling.” Plenty of lesbians out there with zero interest in dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:46 PM
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I’m close to 6’6” and my height has always been an advantage. “You’re sooooooo tall” is something I hear frequently and I notice a lot of IOIs when I’m out and about. It’s the male equivalent of having a nice rack. But much like my flat-chested female friends, none of my short guy friends are single. They’re all happily partnered to women who love them. Yes, they’re all taller than their wives or girlfriends, but that’s to be expected. What all but one of the couples have in common, however, is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:33 PM
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Marxist here. Dude’s right. Marx based his theory of value on Ricardo, an early capitalist economist and student of Smith. This isn’t a small overlap. This is an illustration of the way in which—per Marx—capitalism prefigures communism; intellectually and historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 11:01 PM
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From what the women in my life have told me, this is absolutely correct. Most men don’t pay attention to what their partners are actually enjoying, obviously learned to fuck from porn, and the few who think they’re paying attention to their partners’ needs are usually just going through a rote set of techniques that match what they think women as a reified abstraction want. Slow down, pay attention to her body’s cues, and have a good time. This shit isn’t rocket surgery. Controversial assertion:…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 09:52 PM
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My dating history includes everything from dancers to doctoral candidates. The ones I get serious with, however, skew educated and professional. I’ll grant that anecdote isn’t data, but neither your assumption about the class profile of my partners nor the man as breadwinner assertion match my personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 01:33 AM
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I’ve known since high school that the rat race wasn’t for me. This salutatorian (would have been valedictorian but the administration didn’t want me giving an address) with high SATs and all the extracurriculars opted the fuck out. I ended up with a modest criminal record, a resume full of manual labor (with a sojourn in the trenches of corporate America, but I fell into that), and an N count over 100. No woman has ever given a shit that I’m working class when it comes to fucking. Where I disagr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:33 PM
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Glaring just world fallacy. Charisma, intelligence, talent, and persistence are among the components affecting success in the workplace, but they’re by no means the only elements and possibly not even the decisive factors. There are only so many good jobs available and the selection process for filling them isn’t wholly rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:21 PM
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There are fewer and fewer of those to go around as wealth continues its natural course of accumulation in ever smaller numbers of hands. Issues of personal fulfillment aside, this is an unrealistic solution for the majority of women seeing as how so-called “men of means” are not the majority of guys. Your advice amounts to “win the lottery.” It’s bad. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:15 PM
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Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh... she didn’t exactly choose to be too overworked to fuck. Contemporary economic conditions made that choice for. She can’t—by sheer force of will—make her jobs pay her more of make education cost less. This isn’t feminism, my dude; it’s capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 05:54 PM
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Have you ever had sex? Wet pussy feels incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 12:59 PM
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I actually just did some rough arithmetic on this and it’s a dismally small number. Less than 10%. For starters, I can’t maintain friendships—let alone romantic relationships—with anyone who isn’t of above average intelligence. I’ve tried. It doesn’t work. And while it’s not perfect, for the sake of this discussion we’ll use IQ as our measure of intelligence. Roughly 16% of people (we’ll put aside the controversies surrounding intelligence in the sexes) have IQs of 115 or above. That’s already a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 11:29 PM
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You should probably apologize less for existing and having opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:17 PM
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In terms of conversation, my best relationships have always been with women who share the same basic values I hold, but differ in terms of theoretical tendency, various philosophical details, etc. Specifically, I’m a Marxist and I’ve consistently had the most fun conversations with partners who were anarchists and left liberals. The basic points of agreement kept things from going off the rails, while the theoretical differences made for lively debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:34 PM
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You attacked him. Not her. You don’t owe her an apology for that and if either of you thinks one is appropriate, one or both of you needs to do some serious self work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 10:29 PM
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The photo struggle is real. I also can’t force a smile for pictures and cameras make me look like a complete mutant. Back when I was on OKCupid literally every single one of my first dates included a variation on the theme of, “oh wow, you’re really handsome. You should get better profile pictures.” Some even tried taking them for me. All were defeated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:26 PM
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New here, but I’ll bite. A little over 6’5”, 240lbs (I lift four days a week and work a physical job, but my girlfriend is a really good cook), broad shoulders, close cropped sandy hair, sometimes sideburns, sometimes a beard, blue eyes, covered in tattoos, longer-faced but with masculine features. I’m the sort of guy who gets hit on pretty often and rarely gets turned down when I hit on someone. Because of that I have a lot of close friendships with women and from listening to them I’m extremel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:19 PM
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