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| 1 | Consent to sex does not mean consent to parenthoodYou know this sub is trash when the people here "defending men's rights" engage in misandrist double standards. I personally can't imagine a feminist or any "pro woman" sub telling this kind of shit "lol shouldn't have sex then, it's your responsibility" to a woman who was forced to have a kid by a man, and getting upvoted. Specially in a context where only men can choose parenthood and also can force women to be a parent | /r/MensRights | 18/03/24 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Can artificial wombs finally give the right to have children for men?maybe not. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11mqzew/japan\_scientists\_create\_mice\_with\_two\_biological/ | /r/MensRights | 25/05/23 09:31 PM |
| 2 | Kenya: A male chess player disguises himself as a woman so he could take part in a tournament. The plan fell apart when he beat all the female players. OP: Females of course are allowed to take part in all tournaments.and the only real difference tends to be womens intelligence on average being more central to the average, while mens tend to be higher on both sides That's not true, that claim comes from the iq score on preadolescent boys, women mature faster than men. When the iq tests are done on adults, men score better than women on average. Colttaine has a video about this and, that is adressed by in the minute 4:25 https://odysee.com/@colttaine:d/Mental-Vs-Physical-Aptitude:d | /r/MensRights | 15/04/23 05:35 PM |
| 1 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.If you have unprotected sex with a woman, aren’t you voluntarily giving her your sperm? having sex even unprotected sex doesn't mean i am willing to giver her my sperm, that is a unwanted consecuence of sex. Even if i gave her my sperm because it gives me pleasure or whatever, it doesn't mean i would be consenting for her to create a child. Do you think once that sperm shot goes in, the woman then decides whether or not to let it make a baby? I literally explained that in my last comment. The wo… | /r/MensRights | 13/02/23 08:55 AM |
| 2 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.Once again your comment doesn't asnwer this: "she is the one who decides to create a kid when continiung a pregnancy. Having sex doesn't create a child, it created a zygote and abortion being legal shows that a zygote is not a kid and just a part of his body." You are just claiming that im dodging responsibilities that im like feminists etc. I - on the other hand - believe that the predictable outcomes of a voluntary action - even the rare ones like " When I punched him, he fell and cracked his … | /r/MensRights | 13/02/23 07:31 AM |
| 2 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.The woman… created a child… against his will? yes. You have cognitive dissonance if you are pro abortion as this suggest Which is exactly why women need abortion rights. Then you should already know that the zygote is not a child. If it is, then abortion would be murder and wouldn't be "her body" and the child would have rights etc. So involuntarely giving my sperm doesn't mean i consent for you to use that sperm and DNA to create a child, which happens when you decide to continue a pregnancy. H… | /r/MensRights | 13/02/23 07:14 AM |
| 4 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.As the hardline pro-life crowd so frequently insists, having unprotected sex is accepting a risk of pregnancy and all consequences therein. even if we accept that as valid, it wouldn't disprove the fact that the man didn't help her to create the child as she did that against his will. And sure, the male/paper abortion means giving up all rights and "responsibilities" before the child exists. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 10:04 PM |
| 3 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.your comment doesn't answer the argument "she is the one who decides to create a kid when continiung a pregnancy. Having sex doesn't create a child, it created a zygote and abortion being legal shows that a zygote is not a kid and just a part of his body." so therefore it can't be his responsibility as it is not his fault and he didn't decide to have a kid. What you are doing is an ad nauseum, you are repeating the same shit instead of arguing my arguments that disproved what you are saying. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 09:44 PM |
| 3 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.Forced child support is the price you pay for getting someone pregnant and why should i pay a prince for "getting" someone pregnant? Why is she not forced to compensate me for getting pregnant? The kid is already going to pay for so many of your mistakes. In any case the woman's mistake, as she is the one who decides to create a kid when continiung a pregnancy. Having sex doesn't create a child, it created a zygote and abortion being legal shows that a zygote is not a kid and just a part of his … | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.How is child support a violation of autonomy when it’s proven you helped create the infant? I answered that in another comment "In any case, the child you forced him to create. This is pure gaslighting, claiming that he "helped" implies that he wanted a baby and intended to give you the means to get what he wants. That is not happening in this case, as he didn't want a baby and you are using a part of his body against his will, in order to create a baby. This becomes clear when we change the g… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 08:06 PM |
| 2 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.you are just doing an ad nauseum. As you are just repeating the same shit that has been already disproved. This is really easy, if it's the woman who creates a child by continiung the pregnancy then it can't be the consecuence of my actions, that has already been said many times. Obviously you are aware of that fact that's why you are avoiding to discuss it and instead you are doing an ad nauseum. And the fact that it has half my DNA means nothing it doesn't logically justify why should i pay. M… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 11:39 AM |
| 0 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.Im pretty sure everybody would agree with that. But because I didn't create the child, and is the woman who did that by continuing the pregnancy then i don't have to be responsible for it. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 11:27 AM |
| -2 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.Unless she raped you, you both created that child. Your sperm got inside her body by actions of your own choosing so what? my sperm getting inside her body doesn't create a child. It is her decision to continue the pregnancy what does it. Your answer doesn't debunk this. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 10:15 AM |
| -8 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.if you as a society pay is because you want to, you could decide not to do it. And no, the child she created. She is the one who creates a child by continuing a pregnancy | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 10:05 AM |
| 4 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.if you aren’t compelled to pay to support the child that you helped create during consensual sex In any case, the child you forced him to create. This is pure gaslighting, claiming that he "helped" implies that he wanted a baby and intended to give you the means to get what he wants. That is not happening in this case, as he didn't want a baby and you are using a part of his body against his will, in order to create a baby. This becomes clear when we change the genders if a man forced a woman to… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 08:44 AM |
| 9 | Remember: "My body, my choice" only applies to women. If you are a man, nobody cares about your body or your choice.or for the other parent to absorb ALL of the responsibility is fucked up They are a separate being created by 2 ppl. It is the woman choice to continue the pregnancy what creates a child. Therefore she is not absorbing any responsibility because the father has no responsibility in the first place. Leaving your own DNA out to dry, fend for themselves This is just emotional blackmail, if it is half my DNA is because you used that DNA against my consent to create a child. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/23 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?So, a woman can decide on a pregnancy that was caused by............(drum roll)........yes, 2 people. No, the pregnancy is caused by her body, what you mean is the conception of a zygote which is not a child, is caused by 2 people. And so what? how does this disprove that the existance of a child is the consecuence of the woman deciding to continue the pregnancy and therefore is her responsibility? The rest of you argument doesn't argue what i said, you are just doing an ad nauseum. If you don't… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?You’re off topic. This issue is child support and not abortion. He’s arguing for financial abortion because of child support. The issue is the interest of the child being an excuse to deny men's reproductive rights as that is what you imply answering "what about the interest of the child?" to a comment that claims that a man should not be forced to pay if he didn't want the child. So where i'm being off topic? my comment answers that the interest of the child is not an excuse to deny men's right… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 06:31 PM |
| 0 | Should child support be illegal?For a child to be born, it requires sex by one of each gender. This is a fallacy that everyone seems to fall into. What follows logically is that if a child is the result of 2 people, then both are at fault and therefore responsible for the existence of a child. But the fact is, that it is not true that for a child to be born "it requieres sex by one of each gender" what it requires is the woman deciding to continue a pregnancy and therefore the action of gestating a zygote to turn it into a chi… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 06:14 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?The biological father (and the mother) ought to be responsible financially for that child regardless of whether either or both want the child This is just a lie to make you believe that the situation is equal. The fact is only the man is forced to be responsible for a child he didn't want, as women are not forced to have a child against their will. Why should it be anyone else’s responsibility to support their choice to have a child? Yeah why should be the man's responsibility to support HER CHO… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 05:38 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?What about the best interests of the child? what about it? What is your argument, that male abortion would go against the interest of the minor and therefore should not be legal? Then why you have the right to have a baby against the man's wishes when the interest of the child is having a father in their life? Why are you or a rich guy forced to pay for a random child when the interest of the child would be that you do it? Why are you not forced to donate an organ to the child? why a single woma… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Why can the woman avoid all responsibility for a fetus, but the man can't?then the mother could claim that this lack of support is forcing them to choose abortion because they cannot afford the child solo How that would be a problem? she could claim that if you don't pay she could be "forced" to abort, or that if a rich guy don't pay she could be forced to abort, if the father doesn't want to marry her, give his house etc. Should we allow her to force you into whatever wish she has so she doesn't abort? | /r/MensRights | 18/01/23 09:23 AM |
| 1 | Currently ostracised from my friend group for telling one of them that she man who got her pregnant shouldn't have to step up.And I won’t even waste my time (more) and talk about your slavery and abortion comments. Jfc I won’t reply to you after this but feel free to get the last word in if you want to How convinient that you won't answer the part where I show that this "interest of the child is only applied to men" And I agree with you, you are wasting your time as your reply doesn't even counter argue my arguments. Let's look your first response No it doesn’t really. It sucks, but that’s life. You’ll be put into situ… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/23 05:17 AM |
| 0 | Currently ostracised from my friend group for telling one of them that she man who got her pregnant shouldn't have to step up.You’ll be put into situations in life where you’re forced to take on responsibilities you didn’t ask for and didn’t deserve, but that’s life If you don't deserve to be forced into X responsibility, then it is not your responsibility, as in order for something to be your responsibility it needs to to have a justification that explains why someone is at fault and therefore is fair to force someone to do X. This argument just wants you to accept abuse and being treated unjustly, we could justify sl… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/23 05:47 PM |
| 1 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?Your first comment, doesn't justify why A should pay instead of B,C,D,E etc. Or why should any of them pay on the first place. Unlike your first comment this argument would make a logical attempt to justify it. So it's pretty telling to me, that would you choose to say that instead of making this argument in the first place. My guess is that you wanted to leave this argument implicit because you know that the father is assumed to have a responsibility (truth is he doesn't), because when you look… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 06:05 PM |
| -1 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?You are deflecting because you are not answering the question. I asked why should the father pay. And your response was "i would pay for my kids" Ok so what? This doesn't answer why should the father pay. This is like if some1 asked "why should i be forced to continue the pregnancy" and the answer was "well i would continue the pregnancy if i got pregnant" Ok so what? | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?Just as she has done in previous comments. Her comment is just an appeal to emotion fallacy. In short, because abortion is hard then that means we should act as if it didn't exist. That is made clear in her last paragraph where she acts as if abortion didn't exist. "Nope, I don't think that I should have to absorb ALL of the consequences from this unwanted pregnancy" (except that the consequences are because of her choice to continue the pregnancy making it not unwanted anymore) "I'm not going t… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 04:01 PM |
| -2 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?Except that he wouldn't have that income because the father refuses to pay. I do pay for my children. If I got anyone else pregnant I would expect to pay for them as well. You are just deflecting. Your argument was that some1 had to pay to avoid the child being in poverty, so if that is the reason why don't you pay instead? Why must the unwilling father do that? Claiming "but i pay for my kids" doesn't answer that. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 03:36 PM |
| -3 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?Forcing both parents doesn't Guarantee you that a child is not going to be into poverty specially if the father refuses to pay anyways. It's so convinient. That using the child is only an excuse to deny men's rights, but when applied to women that becomes unnaceptable. If we are going to deny rights for the interest of the kid, then we could force you and everybody who thinks that is ok to pay instead. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 03:04 PM |
| -4 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?I see, what we should do is* force abortion then because a kid doesn't have to live in poverty for her choice to have a kid she can't support right? | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 02:52 PM |
| 5 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?The consecuence from sex is conception, not a child. A child is a consecuence of her choice to continue a pregnancy | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 02:45 PM |
| 5 | Should a man be able to opt out of a child's life without child support?The fact is, it is not the man's responsibility. As responsibility comes with choice and if he didn't choose to have a baby didn't choose for it to be born and is not his fault it exists. Then it is not his responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/22 01:55 PM |
| 2 | Relinquishing mothers or deadbeats?Yes very witty, but tell me this, are women unilaterally giving their kid up to adoption because the dad already "abandoned" or because the dad doesn't know he had a kid? It doesn't matter really. The fact is, only women can unilaterally give their kid up to adoption, that is because the father doesn't have to know he had a child, she is not forced to tell him, the same is not true for men, he* will always need her permission. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/22 10:26 PM |
| 7 | Relinquishing mothers or deadbeats?the obvious difference is that if a woman pays child supports is because she decided to have a child in the first place, the same is not true for men | /r/MensRights | 12/12/22 12:50 PM |
| 2 | Baby trapped don’t know how to feelI'm very capable of taking accountability for my own actions No you aren't, you aren't because you consider that the existance of a child is a consecuence of "our actions" and not your choice, and also because you want to force other people to take care of your choices. And not only for you, but for other women as well. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/22 06:49 AM |
| 2 | Baby trapped don’t know how to feelMaybe I should just say fuck it. Give into the despair & give up. At least that way, that guy you're white-knighting quit playing victim it seems like thats all you can do. Maybe what you should do is take care for the child ALONE as you ALONE decided to have it. At least that way, that guy you're white-knighting for (whom you don't even know) won't have to suffer any consequences from OUR actions. The consecuence of YOUR ACTIONS. A child is the consecuence of YOUR CHOICE to continue the pregnan… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/22 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Baby trapped don’t know how to feelI didn't notice who you were. You are that woman that was against paper abortion, because its easier to coerce men into being a father. The fact is, "abortion being hard and complicated etc." (curiously it is not an impediment to abort when she is the one who doesn't want to be a mother) is IRRELEVANT. It doesn't change the fact that the cause of a child emotional damage is the mother who decides to have a kid knowing full well the father didn't want it, she is the one who decides if a kid exist… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/22 05:42 AM |
| 3 | Baby trapped don’t know how to feelDo you really want to be the cause of your own child's emotional damage when you could take steps to try & prevent/mitigate it? the cause of the child's emotional damage is the mother who decided to have a kid against the father whishes. this is just victim blamming | /r/MensRights | 09/12/22 07:46 AM |
| 1 | The blatant, unabashed hypocrisy of FeminismIf it's you who is bothered with that, then yes. But I see where you're going. You argument implies that the man would be ducking his responsibility if he doesn't take care of the child. The fact is it is not his responsibility. Responsibility comes with choice, and because he didn't choose to have a child, didn't choose for the child to be born, and is not his fault a child exists. Then it is not his responsibility. So basically your argument is pro slavery. "I want something but i don't want t… | /r/MensRights | 02/12/22 12:37 AM |
| 1 | The blatant, unabashed hypocrisy of FeminismWhy should I pay taxes to raise a child someone else fathered? Because you don't want a kid in poverty? In fact you already do, is called adoption and monetary help to single mothers. | /r/MensRights | 01/12/22 06:50 PM |
| 6 | The blatant, unabashed hypocrisy of FeminismThis is fallacious. You put 3 options as if they were the only options possible, and of those 3 options you state that one is the fairest without explaining why. First, why is forcing the father to pay one of the options to choose? Why can't we force you to pay instead? or anyone that thinks is ok to force people to pay for other people choices so the goverment doesn't do do it? Since we are finding the "least bad option" and we don't care if we are being unjust then why can't we force a rich gu… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/22 09:58 PM |
| 24 | Came upon this post not a while ago. Shocked and disgusted by the comments. Swipe to see more. Would like to hear your thoughts.You are just being obtuse, if the accident=child then that is caused by the woman alone as she is the one that decides if there will be a child or not, and it is her action to gestate what creates a child. This is not hard to understand | /r/MensRights | 25/11/22 11:49 AM |
| 24 | Came upon this post not a while ago. Shocked and disgusted by the comments. Swipe to see more. Would like to hear your thoughts.this is a false analogy, since the "accident" (the child) is not caused by the man but by the woman who decided to have the child. So it is not his responsability. Claiming that men has responsability over other people choices is just gaslighting and a fallacy | /r/MensRights | 25/11/22 11:36 AM |
| 2 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.Ok, I see that the only point is that it is difficult to implement. First of all, I don't think that something being difficult is an excuse to deny men the same rights, even more so when that denyal can ruin his life. And in fact, it would not be so difficult. The woman informs the man of her pregnancy. And he has almost the same time that women have to abort. If she has not informed the man during the time she has to abort or is really close to the window she has to abort, then he automatically… | /r/MensRights | 06/11/22 10:58 PM |
| 2 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.You are not answering my question, you're just telling me about your life and how you feel about it. What you say boils down to: I support X, but actually i don't | /r/MensRights | 06/11/22 02:24 AM |
| 2 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.Ok so, you don't care about money and will not force men to pay jfor your choicesm just "reach out" to convince if he wants to stay. So why are you againt men reproductive rights then? | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 06:50 PM |
| 1 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.The difference between your example of cold blooded murder and child support payments is hardly irrelevant and frankly it's terrifying that you can't see that. that is because im not comparing murder with child support. I brought that up as analogy to shown how your "you had a choice" is invalid. It seems that there are no new arguments against male abortion so I'll leave it here. | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 06:40 PM |
| 1 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.There's a big difference when the entire biological point of Y is to result in X. It's different if your choice in Y is removed, as I said about variation in circumstances. the "differences" are irrelevant. If i use my pencil as a ruler i can use it regardless of the intention it was created for, that does not justify forcing me to draw or some shit like that. you are not even trying to make sense, i mean let's look at the logic. "The "biological point" of sex is to result in children => ???? =>… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 09:15 AM |
| 2 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.This argument is a variation of "you knew the risks" that was already debunked. If i slice your throat, apparently you had a choice in the matter because you could just stay in your house. So murder should be legal. Again this is a stupid reasoning, just because you had the choice to not do Y doesn't that doesn't justify being forced to do X. just like knewing the risks doesn't justify forcing me to do X. it's funny because you admit that this is not fair, but justify it by claiming that life is… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 06:29 AM |
| 2 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.i have no sympathy for you. You claim to have lots of empathy for men, yet you still oppose their rights and advocate for them to continue to be enslaved by women's choices. You claim to "try to do the right thing" yet you decided to have a baby agains't what i assume to be the mans whishes, and not happy with that you want to force him to pay you money using your child as an excuse, as that is how i read this "I will advocate for my child in every way, as I do my others" Imagine having envy ove… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 06:06 AM |
| 6 | What do you think about Male abortion or child support abortion."you don't want to be forced to be a fahter? you muse be a bad father" | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 02:18 AM |
| 2 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.Ok so your points to oppose paper abortion are: you need to be responsible, and you accept the risks Responsibility comes with choice. And because the man didn't choose to have it, didn't choose for it to exist, and is not his fault it exists, then it is not his responsibility. Is the woman who chooses that, and she is who gestates a zygote to turn it into a child, so therefore it is her responsibility. This makes no sense, Knowing the "risks" (having a child is not a risk but a woman's choice… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 02:03 AM |
| 3 | Men too should be free to exercise their right to choose. Because fatherhood (not just motherhood) should be a choice too and no one, man or woman, should be coerced into parenthood.or choose to ignore, the fact that ACTUAL abortions, or adoption, are very difficult options that levy a heavy mental, emotional, & physical tax on the woman So what????? that doesn't remove the fact that she can choose. Imagine going to a mra reddit to advocate for women to continue having the power to enslave men just because you feel sad, and have envy that "signing a paper" is supposedly not as hard as abortion. Of course you never hear arguments advocating to ban abortion because the man wo… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/22 01:50 AM |
| 1 | When talking about consent— Why doesn’t the discussion extend to consent to have my child.Men have to make the decision earlier because their body isn't affected Notice how she tries to gaslight into making you think that this is a fair situation where men and women have equal reproductive rights, "you can choose, you just do it "earlier"" A situation like the one she describes, would be one where the man has let's say 2 weeks less to "abort", the current situation is not one where the man has "less time" but a situation where they have no choice Even if we pretend that men choose … | /r/MensRights | 28/10/22 12:53 AM |
| 3 | When talking about consent— Why doesn’t the discussion extend to consent to have my child.Sex is consent unless you're uneducated on the result of sex being a child | /r/MensRights | 27/10/22 11:22 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Those are not related I mean to write this "The fact that i pay taxes doesn't mean i don't have financial autonomy". By the context it was clear i meant financial autonomy as i was talking about it. You don't have full financial autonomy, you have to pay taxes, and you're not forced to donate blood. I see you backing down, you went from you don't have it to you don't have it full. As i said all rights can be somewhat restricted if there is a justification for it. You argument do not try adress i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/22 04:05 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?You obviously have financial autonomy, that's why the money you earn is your money and not our money, that's why theft exists etc. I know what the answer is going to be: (That is if you are actually going to argue instead of just quoting "You obviously have financial autonomy" to say "nuh huh" like a child) "but what about taxes?" There are practically no rights that are absolute, all rights can somewhat be restricted if there is a valid justification for it. The fact that i pay taxes doesn't me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/22 12:29 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?I think that it does matter, the law thinks that too, since it allows you one thing but not the other. considering that you argued from the law, your opinion would be irrelevant by the way, you didn't told me if I was right or not in the comment where I explained that it would not be self-defense, you simply told me that you can't use some1 else body to survive against his conset. So that you have bodily autonomy. so we can assume that the argument is not that you can abort because you are defen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/22 06:21 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?The problem is that this is a false analogy. in the case of abortion the child already has access to your body. With abortion, you want to kill it so it doesn't have acces to your body any longer. So it can never be comprable to a situation where you refuse to give your body, a correct analogy would be causing an accident that ends up with your kidney inside the body of another person, and demanding to kill it so you can have your kidney back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 10:25 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?but that body living off your own in order to survive has no say and didn't choose to do it. it was your actions who did that so you can't compare it with self defense as you are the guilty party isn't that right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 09:54 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?I see, then a fetus=child. So we can agree that abortion is murder, as it is killing a child, and a child does not have to die just because other people do not want to pay for their mess, is that right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 08:03 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Your argument is not understood. You have said that 2 people create a baby when they have sex, but now you tell me that they kill a "fetus" and there is no longer a baby. So just to be clear, when 2 people have sex do they create a baby or do they create a fetus? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 07:43 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?I see, so you kill a certain "fetus", and that makes 2 people who didn't want to take care of a baby, want to do it. Is it so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 07:35 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?I see, and how does it fix it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 07:29 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?"then abortion fixes it" fixes what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?I am not asking you if abortion kills a fetus. I'm asking you, how claiming that cleaning a mess is not the same as making it. refutes the fact that "don't abort" = creating a child. Btw imagine being so salty to downvote a question | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Is refusing to clean a mess the same as making it? No. Again you're simply wrong. Ok cleaning a mess is not the same as making it. How does that answers, or refutes the fact that "don't abort" = deciding to create a child? That is what you are replying to | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 05:09 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?The mother didn't decide to have it. She decided to not abort it, that's not the same thing Lmao "refusing to abort"=deciding to create a child. Because if you don't abort you will create a child, this is as absurd as saying: "No i didn't decide to shoot him in the head, i just refused not to relax my hand and move the gun away" When you stop going back to the IMPREGNATING PEOPLE IS NOT MEN'S FAULT thing you can respond this is a straw man i'm not arguing that, and also a red herring because it'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 07:01 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?That, is not an argument. That is a statement, an argument is supposed to supported your statement this "as he has no responsibility since the existence of a child is not a consequence of his actions and decisions." supports "he should not be forced to pay" And that argument, has already been justified in other comments, without going any further my first. "A child being born into poverty because their mother decided to have it even though she couldn't support it and knew the father didn't want … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/22 04:23 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?And thanks for copy pasting most of your last comment instead of making an actual argument or engaging with what I said whatsoever. LOL you are coping and projecting so hard. If I am to copying my arguments from my last comment, is because those arguments already refute your claim, so it is not necessary to create new ones. Which proves you are the one that is not engaging with what i said. the fact is that you have not been able to recognize or discredit the argument that determines whether the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/22 07:28 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Yes when you have sex you should accept the risk of being a father, that's part of sex. If you're not willing to take the risk get a vasectomy or don't have sex That aside, your arguments fail to explain, how you would be paying for "men's mistakes when a child's existance is not a consecuence of a man's "mistake" aka actions. this is a fallacious "reasoning" that basically is: "If you don't do what I say, then that's a mistake and I can force you to do what I say" You are not arguing nor reason… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/22 04:47 PM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Impregnating someone when you're not able or willing to take care of it is a mistake This is ambiguous, the only logical interpretation considering the context is: "A man needs to agree being a father the moment he has sex, otherwise that's a mistake and he should be punished for it, by being forced to be a father" making it clear with these words, it's easy to see why you have decided to be ambiguous. And that is because this is a blatant double standard, you want to deny men's reproductive rig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/22 11:50 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?A man needs to provide his sperm for a baby to be made. A woman also needs to not abort it for a baby to be made. With either of these conditions lacking, there will be no baby. So both are responsible fallacious reasoning, this has already been refuted in my previous comment: The fact that she could not have made that decision without my prior actions does not make me responsible for her decision. In no other setting would such fallacious logic be suggested. You wouldn't tell a knife maker he's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/22 09:25 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?I responded to it many times not really my problem you can't read you didn't, you never engaged my arguments that debunks your statement. You are just simply repeating the same claim. As if doing so would make the statement real and make my aruments that debunk it dissapear. You can pretend if you want. Anyone can read the discussion and see for themselves. You don't have the right to not paying for your mistakes, but you do have the right to bodly autonomy mental juggling. What exactly is my mi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/22 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?and wouldn't exist if it weren't for his choices Two things must be made clear. The first is that the existence of a child is a consequence of the woman's INDEPENDENT DECISION to have it or not. It is her actions of gestating a zygote in order to create a child what determines that a child exists. The second is that responsibility comes choice, and since the man has not decided to have a child or whether it exists or not, nor is it his fault that it exists, then it is not his responsibility. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/22 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?People who aren't responsible for that thing shouldn't be forced to pay for it when someone who is responsible can agreed and because the man who didn't want a child is not responsible for his existence he shouldn't pay for it. So slavery is an accurate term for forcing men to pay for women's choices | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 09:47 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?No it doesn't, 2 people made a mess, one of them didn't clean up, the mess is still the 2 people's fault 3 times you have had the opportunity to counter my arguments where I reasoned that it was not the man's responsibility. I think that those are enough opportunities, seeing your refusal to reason, we can consider it refuted and settled. From now on when you repeat the same thing that has already been refuted, I will simply ignore it. You didn't, you are doing exactly what you're acusing me to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 08:12 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Nothing justifies a forced medical procedure. That's why it doesn't apply I just did justify it "So what? The argument still applies, "I don't have to pay for your choices so that justifies a forced medical procedure." So you are not debunking it, again, claims are not arguments. If you made a mistake and someone decided to not clean up your mess it's still your mistake, even if someone else had the opportunity to clean it up and decided not to, and you should still be financially responsible fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Possibly, but this window of time should be BEFORE SEX, not after the predictable consequences of sex the man participated in. Why men should have to sign a paper before sex in order to excercise his reproductive rights? Who should worry about it is the woman. This is just a sexist double standard, you don't ask woman to sign a paper before sex in order to have an abortion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Disgusting argument, the same one that would be used to justify slavery "I don't want to pay for X so i rather force someone to do it for free" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 06:55 AM |
| 0 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?An abortion is a medical procedure So what? The argument still applies, "I don't have to pay for your choices so that justifies a forced medical procedure." people should always have the option to go or not go through a medical procedure without consequences being forced on them by the government, so nobody should be forced to abort can make the same claim "people should have the option to not be financially enslaved because other people choices. " And if you have an unwanted child it is very mu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Again the same misandrist fallacy, blamming men for the actions of women, letme fix your argument. " A child being born into poverty because their mother decided to have it even though she couldn't support it and knew the father didn't want to have a child." You are paying the woman's "mistake" not the man's. The man has nothing to do with it. So I assume you are actually advocating for woman being forced to abort if she doesn't have the means to support it seeing how much you hate "paying for o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?Your entire comment is just fallacies and gaslighting. A woman CHOOSING to have a baby because of her morals, is not a situation where she can't abort as you are trying to frame. This is also a misandrist and double standard argument. If you feel entitled to control men's finances (and therefore his body, time, freedom etc) because of your morals, then why doesn't the same apply to men? we should be able to deny her the right to abort because of the father's morals as he can think is murder, he … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 04:56 AM |
| 2 | Financial/paper abortion - legitimate arguments against?legitimate arguments against? There aren't, all the arguments trying to justify men not having the right to paper abortion when abortion is legal, are either fallacies or double standards | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 02:10 AM |
| 1 | What is best for the child in the case of paper abortions?The usual gaslighting blamming men when even when they are not at fault. If you are paying for a child is because the woman decided to have it, you are paying because of her decision the man has nothing to say in it. "you both created" no, she created it she is the one that decides to gestate it and therefore turn a zygote into a child | /r/MensRights | 08/10/22 09:52 AM |
| 17 | Is paper/financial abortion socially responsible?But the woman withdrawing consent ends the possibility of the child coming into the world. But that is not necessarily the case for men. Ok, so what? I don't see what's the problem with this. If a child "comes into the world" they would have no legal father. We don't have a problem with sperm banks, adoption, women being allowed to imprignate themselves with the semen of a dead male etc. But when talking about male abortion that suddenly becomes a problem? We will just end up with more single mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/22 12:15 PM |
| 1 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?I see that you only answer a small part of my argument, so I guess we can consider as truth the arguments you refuse to answer. You're hysterical, calm down and use your brain. Stop making bad analogies to slavery. Most of your arguments are obvious shit that no thoughtful person would even bother addressing. Lol, "i can't asnswer your arguments, so im going to try to discredit them by calling them shit." Unfortunately, that doesn't debunk anything. You put "reproductive rights" in quotes and ex… | /r/MensRights | 02/09/22 08:13 PM |
| 2 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?We would deny women the right to "escape" motherhood just as we do men if it weren't for the key issue of bodily autonomy. "We would deny whites the right to "freedom" just as we do with blacks, if it weren't for the key issue of skin color" Claiming with other words the classic "if men could get pregnant they could choose" doesn't justify a scenario where women have the right to not be forced into fatherhood and men doesn't, when men could get the same right. This is a stupid argument as shown … | /r/MensRights | 02/09/22 04:48 AM |
| 2 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?The only difference is who gets pregnant after having sex. And that is irrelevant as it does not justify giving women the right to not be forced into fatherhood while deniying the same right to men. Your argument: "my rights are more important than yours, so that justifies violating your rights while mine are protected" does not justify the double standars nor make it fair | /r/MensRights | 02/09/22 12:34 AM |
| 1 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?going back and forth yeah sure, try to make me it look like im being unreasonable, I think what bothers you is that you know I'm right | /r/MensRights | 02/09/22 12:17 AM |
| 1 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?It’s your fucking child Again, so what? You are not making any argument here, just making claims imposing your will. The mom is already gonna care for the kid Because she decided to have it? I mean what's the issue here? so you should take on the responsibility as a fucking father No i shouldn't. I will take responsibility if i have a choice. Stop @ me Dude if you want to end the debate just don't answer or answer with we re done or something like that. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/22 10:04 PM |
| 1 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?It’s literally a physical child So what? half your DNA So what? if it has part of my dna is because the woman stole a part of my body against my will it’s called responsibility It's not his responsibility, this is already debunked | /r/MensRights | 01/09/22 08:59 PM |
| 1 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?It's emotional blackmail, you want to use the child's emotions and well being to blackmail men into financing women's independent choices. The fact is, I can't take responsibility because it's not my responsibility in the first place. Responsibility comes with choice. What she decides to do with her body and what she decides to create using her body is on her, i have nothing to do, so i have no responsibility. Her body her responsibility So, your comment is just gaslighting. It's the same justif… | /r/MensRights | 01/09/22 08:32 PM |
| 3 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?When there’s a child in picture (let’s say you didn’t want) are you really okay with having half of your DNA be without his father? This is emotional blackmail. Who's leaving a child without a father is the mother who decided to have it even though she knew the man didn't wanted to have a kid, the blame is on her. He does not have a moral reason to leave his life to the whims and decisions of the woman. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/22 07:45 PM |
| 1 | What should a man’s role be in deciding whether to have an abortion?I belive you're killing a baby , but it's your body so i can't really be against choosing what to do with your own body. Ofc this only extends to a certain time period in the pregnancy. So this shows dishonestity, if its your body and you belive a baby is being killed, then it shouldn't matter if she aborts at month 1 or month 8. Because there would be no difference, a baby would still be killed anyways and she would still be choosing about her body. This is actually a double standard you belive… | /r/MensRights | 01/09/22 07:18 PM |
| 6 | How would you respond to this comment on right of Parenthood?Part 2 The woman aborting is taking responsibility but again you’re framing this as though she has an obligation to abort unless he agrees to coparent. How is she taking responsibility? If we consider that having sex means you agree to be a parent and agree to take care of child like it seems to be the case on men's side. Then she aborting is avoiding responsibility. We could claim the same thing on men's side "when he aborts he is taking responsibility" Consenting to sex is consenting to the po… | /r/MensRights | 30/08/22 03:08 AM |
| 10 | How would you respond to this comment on right of Parenthood?No, the right to abort is the right to not be pregnant The same dishonest argument could be made on men's side. Male/paper abortion, is the right to choose about your body, life, and freedom. As I use my body and sacrifice part of my freedon and life in order to get money. So it has nothing to do with choosing fatherhood And yeah sure, it just so happens that 100% of women who have the right "to not be pregnant" also have the right not to be forced into fatherhood. Claiming that abortion is the … | /r/MensRights | 30/08/22 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Should financial abortion be a thing ?No he didn't, like i said here "The fact that he had sex with her, doesn't mean he wants to have a baby or that he agrees for her to use his sperm to have one." But you know even if we consider that he "helped" he would only help to create a zygote not a baby. What creates a baby is her choice to gestate it, the man has no say in the matter and therefore is not his responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/22 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Should financial abortion be a thing ?Only one of those choices can result in a man being responsible for a child he helped create the claim "he helped to create" is just a fallacy and a disgusting attempt at gasligthing. claiming that "he helped" implies he wanted X situation and he voluntary gave you the means for that situation to happen. Which is not the case here, you can't help to create X if you never wanted X in the first place. The fact that he had sex with her, doesn't mean he wants to have a baby or that he agrees for her… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/22 11:57 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionI'm not making claims, it's already explained in my last comment. "I see, and that justifies forcing you to continue a pregnancy as you are not donating any organ and you could have refused to have sex"I I already explained this many times, you keep doing this false analogy with organ donation as this is your only defense. But even if we consider forcing you to continue a pregnancy as "organ donation", it would be equivalent to some1 who donated an organ and wants it back. The only way pregnancy… | /r/MensRights | 05/07/22 08:51 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionIt doesn't, again claiming something doesn't make it true. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/22 08:37 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionAll the women who pay child support or have custody because dad is a deadbeat. "the dad is a deadbeat" no he's not, it's not his responsibility as i already explained. It does apply to the action of sex in our society. It doesn't it's very simple, a childs existence is not a consecuence of a man having sex, it's a consecuence of a woman deciding to gestate a zygote. You can try to do an ad populum and an authority fallacy "but society says X" it won't change that. Both men and women can legally … | /r/MensRights | 05/07/22 08:20 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionIf you want paper abortions, You could argue that it would be equal to eliminate all paper abortions. Men cannot demand that women raise their children, or pay to raise their children and neither can women. But it would be incredibly harmful to society. ???. who's demanding women to raise children? the comment makes no sense maybe explain better i won't make guesses so you can claim straw man. Consent only goes so far in society. There are actions that you can commit in society where you lose th… | /r/MensRights | 04/07/22 06:46 PM |
| 2 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionIt's an actual equivalency. So let's see, to u/Laniekea, men having this 0,01 chance maybe less of choosing fatherhood after he has already been forced into it. By a situation where his child gets sick and needs a kidney, and conveniently his kidney is the only one that is available. Is equivalent to abortion where she can choose fatherhood pretty much 100% of the times. Conveniently she doesn't apply the same logic to abortion, and considers it being banned as "not letting me choose about my bo… | /r/MensRights | 04/07/22 06:38 AM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortion Because law is partially dictated by ethics. And ethically PARENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE for THEIR children. Sounds reasonable and not really controversial yes? LMAO, you are just doing the same thing again, but instead of saying "I decide what you consent and what you don't. You are saying "I decide what is ethical and what is not" But that does not mean that ETHICALLY parents should be required by law to donate their organs to their children. Pretty fucking reasonable right? Sure that justifies ba… | /r/MensRights | 04/07/22 06:12 AM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionNo, you're arguing that men don't have the same rights women have No, I',m also arguing against forced fatherhood since i'm advocating for paper abortion which prevents that, as the point when im arguing against your "arguments" is to defend men having the right to paper abortion. Besides that, neither this or your other answers, debunks or tries to answer the argument that you are quoting where i'm arguing that you did a straw man and a false equivalence. So, you are doing a red herring as you … | /r/MensRights | 02/07/22 11:04 AM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionNo but you thought that a woman carrying a baby for 9 months was the equivalent to a man having sex when obviously the equivalent to a man having sex is a woman having sex The fact that something is equivalent in 1 area doesn't debunk the fact that it is also equivalent in another area too. Again that is a fallacy that you are doing lately "A is equivalent to B, so that means A is not equivalent to C" And again this is a straw man i never compared having sex with being forced into a pregnancy. W… | /r/MensRights | 01/07/22 02:26 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionWomen voluntarily have sex also? Sorry but this one's just obvious. Nice straw man, my argument never implied that women didn't voluntarely had sex or something like that, Again it's the exact same logic. Men donate their semen and voluntarily have sex. Women donate their egg and voluntarily have sex. Neither person has to donate any other organs or risk their lives to ensure that their child stays alive. Again a false equivalence this could look logical on the surface, but it is not. If you don… | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 09:58 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionThe actual equivalent to a man doing donating semen is a woman donating an egg. Both parents donate their dna. She has not donated use of her vagina anymore than a man has donated use of his liver. again malicious fallacies is the only thing you can do. The point was, why men "donates" his semen and the labor he does with his body when he choose to have sex. And why the same logic doesn't apply to women. Your answer fails to answer this instead you just subtely repeat the same thing by doing a f… | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 09:31 PM |
| 2 | Why are we being labeled is mysogonistic?I already debunked this fallacy in my other comment, but i will play along this time. you imply that men having no reprodroductive rights is fair because she's forced to pay if she decides to have a child. Then fine, forcing you to continue a pregnancy is fair, because we force men to give up a part of his body too. | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 08:41 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionYeah No, it's actually the moment they prevented women from having access to a medical procedure. You are doing a straw man with this answer. Let's see, my argument was: "This is a double standard argument, if having sex means you agree to have your body controlled, then what are you bitching about? Nobody is controlling your body you "donated your vagina" the moment you had sex" both your answer and the quotes, acts as if i just made a claim without any context. The fact is, my claim was follow… | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 08:26 PM |
| 3 | Why are we being labeled is mysogonistic?Or take away women's reproductive rights Funny because in another post you are advocating for men not having equal reproductive rights. So you must be a misandrist according to your logic. Truth is, opposing abortion doesn't makes you "mysoginistic." But opposing abortion while supporting the right to paper abortion would. Which is what you are doing with men | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 12:25 PM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionConsensual sex does not require that a parent donate a part of their body UNWILLINGLY. Consensual sex is an example of a person WILLINGLY donating of semen. Just because you chose to donate blood to your child at some point does not mean that you get to opt out of parenting. Finally showing the true colors This is a double standard argument, if having sex means you agree to have your body controlled, then what are you bitching about? Nobody is controlling your body you "donated your vagina" the … | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 04:30 AM |
| 2 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionLet's see you claim this The problem is that my argument is consistent, and yours isn't Claiming that my arguments are "not consistent" does not make them "not consistent" in fact you are not even debunking them instead you do a red herring. When i criticize your fallacious way of implying that men and women would have the same reproductive rights, you answer with something that has nothing to do with my point "If a child comes to a point in his life when he needs his parents body to survive, bo… | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 01:56 AM |
| 1 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionCalling something dishonest doesn't make it so. I already explained why is dishonest in my first comment, just like in your first comment you try to imply that men and women would have the same rights in this case to choose fatherhood because "if a kid has a sickness and maybe dies you can be free of it" No I don't. with abortion bans the only organs that have bodily autonomy or organs that belong to men. That's like saying "if you don't want to donate your kidney to your dying child just kill y… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 10:06 PM |
| 5 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionI can make those dishonest and fallacious arguments too. With abortion banned you have the same body autonomy as men, because you have the choice to not go throught a pregnancy by killing yourself. And no they don't choose fatherhood in your analogy because they were already forced. What they would choose is if the kid lives or dies. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 09:49 PM |
| 3 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionI really hate this dishonest and fallacious argument. No, don't dare to say that with abortion men and women would have the same rights. Abortion not only gives you the right to "bodily autonomy" it also gives you the right to choose fatherhood which is a right men don't have and that's the main reason why women to abort. And even if we ignore that. No, men and women would not have the same bodily autonomy in a "reproductive issue" considering that you can use his sperm against his will to creat… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 09:23 PM |
| 5 | In my experience, how an argument goes when talking about men's rights and the crossover to abortionSo if you doink that sexy bird from the bar and it turns out she’s a devout Christian who’d never dream of aborting, or she’s under 18 and her family would never consent, then you’re shit out of luck. Sure, your morals should stop men from having the same right to not be forced into fatherhood? I don't think so. If you are a christian that doesn't want to aborto that's your problem. This is just a sexist double standard, considering that if the father is a devout christian her right to abort is … | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 08:58 PM |
| 15 | Mandatory Vasectomies Are a HORRIBLE IdeaYou can go to jail for not paying child support i thought this was common knowledge, if you didn't you could just choose to not do it. https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/child-support-and-incarceration.aspx forcing payment ≠ forcing permanent damage and potential fatality forcing payment every month for more than 18 years up to a 30% of what you earn depending of the country= forcing permanent damage and potential fatality. Considering that forced child support can lead you to being ho… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 06:42 AM |
| 16 | Mandatory Vasectomies Are a HORRIBLE Ideado you think women aren’t also paying for the children they conceived.. also, legally child support is the right of the child I see, you oppose paper abortion, but you don't have the courage to say it straight. Instead you use ambiguity "but women pay too, the rights of the child" If women pay child support, is because they wanted and consented to have that child unlike men. So don't try to imply this is fair, this as stupid as claming "there is nothing discriminatory with male only draft if i D… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 06:28 AM |
| 17 | Mandatory Vasectomies Are a HORRIBLE Idea"if you can force a life altering damaging thing on me, why shouldn’t you face the same thing?" Yeah why shouldn't you face the same thing? Considering that when abortion was legal you could force men to pay for your choices. So if abortion is banned now both parties can be forced into fatherhood | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 06:09 AM |
| 2 | False equivalence on the left because men are worth less.Claiming that im delusional and other personal attacks doesn't debunk what i said. I suppose everyone who pays child support would immediately opt for being hooked up to a blood transfusion device for their child for nine months instead Sure, if i had 2 options between paying child support for more than 18 years or being hooked up to a blood transfusion device, I would choose the second option, obviously. I find funny that you used this as a "gotcha" moment. In fact even women think that being f… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/22 12:13 AM |
| 1 | False equivalence on the left because men are worth less.Because child support is not comparable to pregnancy in pain, invasion, or long term damage. Agreed as child support is objectively worse. Considering that you have to pay huge amount of money for more than 18 years, that in worst cases, can lead you homeless if you are already struggling financially, and also be sent to jail for being unable to pay. And the fact that pregnancy has the risk of death and (lets pretend forced child support don't for the sake of the argument) child support doesn't.… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/22 10:03 PM |
| 16 | If you're going to be Pro-Choice, be Pro-Choice for both parentsYou are not abandoning anything, as you never agreed to take care of it and is not your fault it exists. If any right that would allow men to opt out was considered abandonment, then adoption sperm banks etc. Would be banned. I don't think either parent should escape responsibility to the child once it's born. But before it's born, women can control their own bodies. The same dishonest argument could be applied to men: "I don't think either parent should escape responsibility to the child once i… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/22 06:57 PM |
| 5 | where MRAs might commonly disagreeIf a man has an absolute right to a paper abortion, how do we deal with a man who irresponsibly sleeps around, impregnates women, and just applies for a paper abortion each time? Why should we deal with a man "who irresponsibly sleeps around impregnates women" if he is having sex without protection is because the woman that he is having sex with, wants that too, she is not a victim that needs to be protected. This is just sexist BS advocating to give men no reproductive rights so a irreponsible … | /r/MensRights | 04/05/22 03:01 PM |
| 4 | an article on why men shouldn't be able to financially abort : spoiler it would make it hard on women!!You really think those are equivalent? You really think choosing what to do with your body and parenthood are equivalent? Yes, like i said choosing fatherhood during pregnancy like the woman does would be an equivalent to male abortion as both are choosing fatherhood in case of accidental pregnanc. I agree. Way to make my case for me The fact that is not 100% the same. Doesn't mean that both parties being able to choose fatherhood during pregnancy is not equivalent, that is what im advocating fo… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/22 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Anyone who uses pro-life arguments to oppose financial abortion while complaining that RoeVWade is threatened can go fuck themselves.Why do you think Republicans are forcing pregnancies on women and not forced vasectomies on men Retarded question. If someone thinks abortion is the murder of a human being and that's why they ban abortion, then how does it logically follow that men should be forced sterilized? And that's not even equivalent. The equivalent of forced vasectomies is forced tubal ligation. You know whats equivalent to women being forced into fatherhood? men being forced into fatherhood, that is what was happening … | /r/MensRights | 03/05/22 08:52 PM |
| 4 | an article on why men shouldn't be able to financially abort : spoiler it would make it hard on women!!If you see my comment i marked in bold "the right to abort" not the the actual medical procedure, of course the procedures are not the equivalents but the right to "choose what to do with my body" and "choose fatherhood" during pregnancy is. Of couse it would not be completly equivalent as the woman would be able to kill a child that also would "belong" to the man too. but the part that "interests us", which is choosing fatherhood during pregnancy, would be. Like i said by trying to equate "pate… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/22 07:25 PM |
| 0 | Anyone who uses pro-life arguments to oppose financial abortion while complaining that RoeVWade is threatened can go fuck themselves.You would be in the hook anyways. Abortion doesn't change anything for men. If abortion is banned and both the woman and the man doesn't want to be a parent, then there is adoption. In both cases you need the permission of the woman in order to opt out. The difference is that with abortion banned, she needs your permission as well. So in fact abortion is not beneficial for the man. Is the opposite as it gives women the ability to control your life without you being able to do the same, and the c… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/22 06:59 PM |
| 18 | an article on why men shouldn't be able to financially abort : spoiler it would make it hard on women!!It is equivalent with the right to abort as both men and women would choose fatherhood during pregnancy. You are the one that is shooting yourself in the foot. If you claim that "paternal surrender" is not equivalent to the right to abort or in other words choose fatherhood then there can't be double standards | /r/MensRights | 03/05/22 06:52 PM |
| 14 | an article on why men shouldn't be able to financially abort : spoiler it would make it hard on women!!There exist fundamental differences between a women's access to an abortion and a man's right to a paper abortion: If the risk of death is gonna be the excuse, then abortion should only be allowedto women that risk that during pregnancy. And the same argument could be applied to men, being forced to work more hours in a dangerous job, being sent to prison for not being able to pay, go homeless etc. Risks my life, health, shortens life span etc. You seem to treat them as completely equal issues. … | /r/MensRights | 03/05/22 06:50 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortion, a men's rightLololol is this a serious response? How do women gestate a fetus without sperm numbnuts? "how do i stab someone without a knife? that means the person who creates the knife is responsible for the murder" thats how dumb your implied argument sounds. And how the fuck do you think sperm banks work? In every state I’m aware of anonymous donors relinquish parental rights the second they hand the vial back to the nurse. so what? | /r/MensRights | 01/05/22 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortion, a men's rightSo because its her body she deserves to choose even though she had sex. Yet even though its my body and my money i cant choose fatherhood like she does because i had sex, nice misandrist double standards | /r/MensRights | 01/05/22 11:28 PM |
| 4 | Financial abortion, a men's rightYour arguments are just personal attacks, hipocritical BS, and blamming men for women's actions and choices. The fact that men have contraceptives and surgery. Is no excuse to deny them the same right to choose fatherhood. Since women also have those things too and they are not denied the right to abort. So you agree, pregnancies are caused by penises This argument implies that because men are the ones that supposedly causes pregnancies then they need to compensate the woman, this is BS. The fac… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/22 06:34 PM |
| 1 | If women can have abortions, so can men.I think it's a bit different it's not, appealing to irrelevant differences like the way he would abort Actual abortions and financial abortions are not the same things or the different "punishment"/harm done And being forced to give money to someone is not the same as losing bodily autonomy doesn't justify the sexist double standard of allowing women to choose fatherhood and forcing men into fatherhood by the woman's choice. Especially when all the arguments to give women the right to abort woul… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/22 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Impregnation is more dangerous for the man.Both the man and woman have a choice and responsibility in having protected sex. The consequences can be unwanted pregnancy. You are implying that both men and women have equal responsibility and choice which is false considering that women have abortion and that men are forced to agree being a father the moment he has sex which means more responsibility. In the case where the woman wants the child but the father doesn't, she has the ability to still give birth and ask for financial support from… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 04:00 PM |
| 1 | Impregnation is more dangerous for the man.Lol this is just an ad hominem claiming that im full of hate or that my arguments are gross etc. Doesnt debunk my arguments. In fact this is a subtle way of saying that im right. I'll just say, if you fuck someone with no condom you had just as much of a choice, jackass. lol, this is false he doesn't have as much as choice since he cant choose to abort it. And this is also hypocritical, following this reasoning abortion need to be banned or atleas she needs the permission of the father. As she a… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:41 PM |
| 1 | Impregnation is more dangerous for the man.But that's not true and that's my point. You can't say "it's more dangerous" when you don't know the statistics of when does X happen to a man and when does Y happen to a woman in an unwanted pregnancy situation. Is it not dangerous when a woman kills herself because of a pregnancy she's being left alone to deal with? Or when she's forced to go through the pregnancy because of the man pressuring her to keep the baby even if she didn't want it, and who often ends up leaving her anyway? Those are … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 02:22 PM |
| 1 | Impregnation is more dangerous for the man.The OP never said that it isn't dangerous for women too, his point is that is more dangerous for men. The fact you use shaming language "grow up, you want to be victims so bad" etc. Or "is not a competition" Doesn't debunk his argument where he says its more dangerous for men. The fact is, it is actually more dangerous for men, because as a woman if you get pregnant you just have to go through an abortion. Compared to men, they are forced to finance women choices for more than 18 years and go to… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/22 11:51 AM |
| 0 | That fact that a wife can abort their child without the father's knowledge or consent is deeply and disgustingly evil.Nonsense. You said "if the law didn't allow it, then women wouldn't be able to choose to abort." That was no straw man. It's also patently false. If that isn't what you meant, it's not my problem, it's yours. Write better. Again you are being dishonest and deliberately ignoring the context. In a legal matter that is the issue here, saying that means: "if the law didn't allow it, then women wouldn't be able to choose to abort without being punished for it (and the likes)" In short, thats the poin… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/22 07:07 PM |
| 0 | That fact that a wife can abort their child without the father's knowledge or consent is deeply and disgustingly evil.lol you are doing a straw man, I never said or implied that killing a fetus didn't exist before the abortion right. My point is that women having THE RIGHT to get an abortion (aka having the LEGAL RIGHT to kill a fetus without being punished for it) is not something created by biology despite your attempts to claim otherwise. You are just being dishonest and taking away the context which was a legal matter. Don't try to act like your point with "Biology gives women a way out" was "women have the… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/22 04:15 PM |
| 1 | Are MRA's generally in favour of women having the right to an abortion?Women are on the hook for 18 years too bro Because they want to, very big difference. By the same reasoning, men have bodily consequences too during pregnancy since i can choose to whip myself in case of pregnancy | /r/MensRights | 22/03/22 07:33 AM |
| 0 | That fact that a wife can abort their child without the father's knowledge or consent is deeply and disgustingly evil.Nature doesn't do shit, it is the law who allows women to choose to have an abortion, if the law didn't allow it, then women wouldn't be able to choose to abort. This is an obvious fact. Again this would be a fallacy, insisting and repeating the same lie doesn't make it true, in spanish this is called "flee forward" | /r/MensRights | 22/03/22 06:53 AM |
| 0 | That fact that a wife can abort their child without the father's knowledge or consent is deeply and disgustingly evil.Since i can't answer the comment where you made this "argument" i will answer it here. Of course biology does. Much if not most conception results in spontaneous abortion. Nature is full of plants that are known abortificants. What, did you think it was invented by doctors? This is a fallacy, "biology can cause spontaneous abortion, that means that women having the right to go to a doctor to get an abortion is a right created by biology and not by society" | /r/MensRights | 21/03/22 09:19 PM |
| 1 | I don't believe a woman should be president until women have to sign up for selective service.If the woman has the child she carries as mich finacial consequences as the man... do you cobsider child care to be free so what? this doesn't debunk my point where i say MEN ARE FORCED and women are not, that is a huge difference, the fact that she pays because she chooses to, doesn't justify forcing men THAT NEVER WANTED TO PAY to do so. the man chose to have sex tho he willingly gives his sperm knowing pregnancy does NOT affect his body. Lol. again an hypocritical argument, if a man doesn't h… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/22 04:48 PM |
| 1 | I don't believe a woman should be president until women have to sign up for selective service.lol but there ARE consequences if a woman gets pregnant. You just want the man to bear none of it. No there aren't like i said if "consecuences" means "being forced to pay for a child" then women doesn't have "consecuences". You argument just make no sense because if we consider "consecuences" as "getting harmed" then men already HAVE CONSECUENCES like losing his "bodily autonomy" (because sperm is a part of his body that the woman uses against his will) and having to deal with the trauma of opt… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/22 01:48 PM |
| 1 | I don't believe a woman should be president until women have to sign up for selective service.So giving men the same right to choose is "sex without consecuences" then sure whats the problem with that? you don't seem to mind with women "having sex without consequences" as well as you don't seem to mind with men having "sex without rights". The fact is both men and women face the same consequences for having sex which is a pregnancy, having a child is not a consecuence of having sex, but a conscuence of the woman CHOOSING TO HAVE IT. For what i can see your whole reason is just envy, you … | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 03:05 PM |
| 1 | I don't believe a woman should be president until women have to sign up for selective service.Hypocritical argument if men don't deserve an equivalent right to choose fatherhood just like women do, because he has contraception, then abortion should be banned as she has contraception too and would already mader her choice. Claiming "but mah body" doesn't debunk this point and like i said the same argument could be applied to men. Stating the fact that "i suffer body consecuences" doesn't justify deniying men the same to choose doesn't mean that i "ignore biology" You want zero responsibil… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 02:45 PM |
| 1 | I don't believe a woman should be president until women have to sign up for selective service.Considering the man faces none if the bodily consequences it makes sense to give the woman longer to decide. Pregnancy alone puts a huge strain on the body but so does abortion. There are lot's of risks and side effects to it. longer to decide? that means men just have less time to decide, but can men choose to opt out of fatherhood during 1 month frame compared to the 5 months that women have? No? then men don't have less time, they just don't have a choice at all. The fact that you face "bodil… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 01:43 PM |
| 3 | Thoughts on the Male/Paper Abortion?So because women are encouraged and rewarded for being fucking stupid and irresponsible you demand the right to act as an equal jack ass? I swear some men here have the mindset of irresponsible unaccountable bitches. Waah, if women do it why can't we? Fuck that stupid shit. With that argument we could deny any equal right using the same shaming language. The fact is, that if women don't get their right restricted after the first abortion, wanting to restrict the same right ONLY to men would be a… | /r/MensRights | 16/02/22 01:21 AM |
| 4 | Thoughts on the Male/Paper Abortion?How is opting out more than 1 time "taking advantage of a system"? Do women that abort more than 1 time is "taking advantage of a system" too? Womend don't get their right to abortion denied after the first abortion so neither do men | /r/MensRights | 16/02/22 12:55 AM |
| 1 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeHow would you respond to dishonest claim? "Those are separate issues abortion is a matter of bodily autonomy not choosing child support" | /r/MensRights | 30/01/22 12:42 AM |
| 1 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeI did explain biological differences set up different risks when having sex. You don't want to take those into account Cut the shit already you didnt explain shit, you are just making claims if that's not true then go ahead and quote the part where you supposedly explain how biological differences forces men to pay child support. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/22 01:32 AM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeAnd if you willingly give your sperm then suddenly you should not have responsibility? What's your point what you mean by "having responsibility"? from what i understand what you are saying is: "if you have sex, you donate your sperm willingly and agree to be a father. Which AGAIN is a double standard since the same could be said about women "if you have sex, you donate your eggs willingly and agree to be a mother" You are trying to "hide" this point by claiming "responsibility" which is a very … | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 05:01 PM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeYou are not explaining anything you are just making claims. Yes the sperm is a part of my body so what? Sperm theft would be a crime since she stole that sperm against my will in the first place what exactly is the problem here? But you know lets ignore that and clear this once and for all. In another comment you surprisingly made your points clear I explained why apart from rape and sperm theft there is no reason for a man to not pay child support since contraceptives are available for both par… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 03:23 PM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeIt is pretty revealing that from all my arguments you only decided to answer the least important one Setting that aside, no, men don't need to have equal responsible for your body, because it is YOUR BODY and your responsibility. The fact that you are expecting men to be equally responsible shows that you are in fact irresponsible. Even if we ignore this argument there would be my other arguments that shows that your "equal responsibility" claim is BS, as you are only enforcing such responsibili… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 02:34 PM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeYour main "arguments" to try to justify men not deserving to have reproductive rights are 2 fallacies the "responsibility" and the "risk" the first one (men have equal responsibility) is hypocritical dishonest and false. If you only punish men and deny them the same rights for not using protection, you are not asking for "equal responsibility" you are enforcing all responsibility on men since he's the one that gets his rights denied for not using protection. In fact your statement makes no sense… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 05:17 AM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeIf that's a valid argument why is abortion legal? This argument applies to women, if we can deny men the right to choose because he had sex so we can do it on women. you either need to be really dumb to be unable to see this BLATANT double standard especially when the same argument is used by pro-lifers. or a really arrogant misandrist if you think is ok using arguments you wouldn't use on women, to deny men the same right to choose fatherhood. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 07:13 AM |
| 3 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeThe first is a blatant hypocritical argument. So i won't bother Why is wanting to get your willy wet a claim on the taxpayers to fund the consequences of your behavior? aside from the "risponsibility" argument, another fallacy that always appear in the men reproductive rights issue is the "why the taxpayer should finance your mistakes" Just like in the "interest of the child" argument this is never applied to women you won't see some1 trying to deny women the right to have a child because "so … | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 02:28 AM |
| 3 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeNobody encouraged to force abortions, that argument appeared as proof that women interest are above children, you are just being dishonest. It is funny because you are the only one THAT IS DENYING RIGHTS and being unjust using "the interest of the child" as justification but when that interest of the child harms women it is suddenly not okay. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 01:23 AM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeagain sexist double standards idk what you are doing in men's rights reddit. Again this logic could be applied to women to deny abortions. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 01:10 AM |
| 1 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeI see. When men wants body autonomy (since forcing me to work for you is controlling my body since i use that to get the money) your argument is "society has placed the interest of children above men who think sex is without risk." But when we apply the same "interest of children" against women your arguement becomes "you don't belive in body autonomy?" fuck off | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 12:36 AM |
| 1 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeso apparently you can't read. Or maybe you think asking answered questions my arguments will dissapear | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 12:32 AM |
| 4 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeWhat are you talking about. "A choice that only a woman made" if you chose to have unprotected sex, you chose to have a child. Even if you have unprotected sex, it is the woman the only one who decides if a child exist or not, so that statement is simply not true. I guess what you mean is he consents to have a child. Which is an hypocritical and double standard argument since you only apply that logic to men otherwise you would be advocating to ban abortion instead since" she already choose to h… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 12:22 AM |
| 3 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeMy argument already answers that since the best interest of the child is have a dad in his life How is it on the CHILD'S interest to be ABORTED? now the fetus is a child? whenever it suits the narrative? If we consider the fetus a child, women being able to abort it would place her interest above the child since it deny it's right to life. So in both point of view the woman's interest are placed above the child which is the point | /r/MensRights | 22/01/22 11:59 PM |
| 2 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeI do see how women's interests are put ahead of men's. How are women's interests placed above children's? Women being allowed to have a child the dad didn't consent is proof of that. If children interests were placed above women, women would be forced to abort if the man didn't wanted to have a child since the best interest of the child is have a dad in his life | /r/MensRights | 22/01/22 11:26 PM |
| 14 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeChild support is for the child, Bs, it is the mother who sues you (or gives the means to do so) and is the mother who gets the money and manages it. And the fact that you claim it is "for the child" doesn't justify forcing men to finance women's choices | /r/MensRights | 22/01/22 10:03 PM |
| 6 | how come women are allowed to force child support on a man who used to proper protection? or even rapeI mean there is a child. Both biological parents should be equally responsible for said child Sure, equal responsibility for a choice only the woman made. Whenever the issue of male reproductive rights comes up there is always this appeal to responsibility fallacy as an "argument" against it. But the fact is that is not his responsibility, (unless he agreed to have it) as responsibility comes with CHOOICE. And the man did not choose to have a child or for it to be born, it was the woman who choo… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/22 09:44 PM |
| 1 | This person doesn’t acknowledge that it could be both parties at fault but each is judged differently for not wanting the child depending on if it’s a man that doesn’t want it, or a woman that doesn’t want it.Both parents are responsible in art of making a baby. this argument helps the people who wants to deny men the same right to choose fatherhood claiming that "he is responsible for the creation of the child" The fact is, he is not. responsibility comes with choice, and the man does not choose to create a child neither chooses for it to be born. It is the woman who does it and therefore the only one responsible | /r/MensRights | 21/01/22 01:14 PM |
| 2 | 9 months of pregnancy is worse than 18 years of indentured servitude?You have staked your personality on a false equivalency My personality? Showing that you are avoiding the argument has nothing to do with my personality. And that is not a false equivalency even if we agree that stating that argument (knew the risks) would apply to women is an "equivalency". It woulnd't be a false one. Because like i said many times that logic CAN APPLY TO WOMEN the fact that she gets pregnant etc. Is irrelevant because it doesn't debunk the fact that she knew the risks and ther… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 11:01 PM |
| 2 | 9 months of pregnancy is worse than 18 years of indentured servitude?He doesnt "not deserve to choose" because he knew the risks Yet you answered an argument that was criticizing men not having reproductive rights with "he knew the risks" which implies just that. So I'm going to interpret this as backing off He doesn't deserve to choose because he does not have the power to force his will on a woman. Ok this argument is: "he can't choose fatherhood because it forces his will on a woman". That is false, if a man surrenders faterhood during pregnancy he is not impo… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 07:09 PM |
| 2 | 9 months of pregnancy is worse than 18 years of indentured servitude?You are "repeating points" because you want to. None of those "points" justifies the point that was being discussed as i have shown. So 3 Replies and you are still unable to justify why "he knew the risks so he doesn't deserve to choose" shouldn't apply to women, you are just dodging the issue. And the reason is obvious, there is no way to justify it since it is a hipocritical and sexist argument. So having refuted that reasoning and shown that you cannot justify it. Lets move to your next argum… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 06:03 PM |
| 4 | 9 months of pregnancy is worse than 18 years of indentured servitude?The point is that "he knew the risks" could apply to women. You are not answering why it shouldn't apply to women, your other arguments doesn't try to justify this that is the point, thats's why is a red herring. What context am i refusing to acknowledge? I already explained what is the context and the point Women and men are in different circumstances upon the conception of a child and are therefore bound to different choices. That is irrelevant the fact that there are differences doesnt justif… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 05:32 PM |
| 4 | 9 months of pregnancy is worse than 18 years of indentured servitude?My arguement, not your strawman, was that women get pregnent. You cannot ethically force them to come to term nor, as i explained in more detail, can you ethically force them not to. What were you answering with this? You were answering an argument which point was that "he knew the risks" could apply to women. Why did they gave you that answer? Because in short, you answered an argument that was criticizing that men don't have a choice with "he knew the risks", which tries to justify just that S… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 02:25 PM |
| 6 | 9 months of pregnancy is worse than 18 years of indentured servitude?Let's see, your argument is that men don't deserve to have the same right to choose fatherhood because he knew the risks. This logic could be applied to women, she knew the risks so she don't deserve to choose. stating that men can't get pregnant and that women are allowed to get abortions does not justify this double standard. Your only claim that tries to justify it is: "You cannot ETHICALLY force a woman to give birth" which is just an opinion and if we consider that claim valid to justify th… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 05:23 AM |
| 27 | Seeing how people take this person seriously is such a relief, and gives me hope society is progressing toward treating sexual assault seriously.it's 64% upvoted so i wouldn't be so sure | /r/MensRights | 02/06/21 06:18 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Men and women being different is not a fallacy. As I said earlier, our views are just too far apart from each other to have any kind of discussion on this topic. Claiming that without context is not a fallacy true. But that's not what you are doing. You are claiming that biology diferences prevents us from having equal rights in a context where i'm asking to choose parenthood during pregnancy, biology differences doesn't prevent us from getting a equal right to choose during pregnancy so yeah wh… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/21 08:09 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Yes it does. Because of the biological differences in the situation, she already has the right to her own body and the right to determine whether to have the baby. I don't know why you think a woman would seek out a contract for rights she already has by default. What you are saying, is not because biological differences, but a legal privilege. Biology has nothing to do, and like i said doesn't prevent her from being forced to get a contract in order to abort. And again you are not justifing any… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/21 08:07 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Actually is the opposite. I understand everything of this and i understand your intentions and what you are tryng to do in order to decieve. 'll just say this one more time. Men and women aren't the same, so the exact same identical situations can't be applied to both equally. Perfect equality is not possible, so we have to settle for the closest thing to equality that we can achieve. You are ignoring my already made explanations to why this is a fallacy, so i just won't bother again with this Y… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/21 06:26 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Her decision is going to be based on his decision. If he takes forever and won't make up his mind, it takes a toll on her physical body. She is paying the price for his indecision, and that's why there needs to be a sensible time limit on it. again, the choice to wait knowing full well he can opt out, is on her. As you can see, she's the one making all choices regarding his body, so again there is no excuse. And it is funny that you are making claims to biology in order to justify double stand… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/21 05:17 AM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Her choice is "I want this child if you're in it with me, if not then I don't". I'm far from being a feminist but if you think it's ok for him to take forever to decide while she has to pay physical consequences for his inability to figure out what he wants, that's pretty fucked up. you said it. HER CHOICE, if she "pays the consequences" is because she choose to. The man has no responsibility with what SHE DECIDES to do with her pregnancy. You pretty much want the man to be responsible of her wi… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/21 07:50 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Sounds like you're just choosing not to give a shit about what's fair to her, and only caring about his choice. I think it's better to respect both people and treat them as fairly as possible. If the woman is ready to choose abortion if he's not going to opt in, but he makes her remain pregnant and start to undergo more and more physical changes due to the pregnancy because he can't make up his mind in a reasonable amount of time, that's incredibly unfair to her. this point can be easily debunke… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/21 03:39 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)I think there would be many cases where the woman only wants the child if he'll be helping to support it, and she knows this immediately. It's not fair if he screws around and waits a long time and won't make up his mind, while she starts to undergo physical consequences from the delay, only for him to opt out at the last minute. He deserves time to think about a life change decision, it is completly fair the choice to abort whenever she wants is still hers. If she decides to wait for his decisi… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 02:29 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)So your solution is that men are opted in by default, but can opt out... when? Whenever they want? A certain time frame? I'm pretty sure i said in another answers "choose parenthood during pregnancy" or something like that. From that you can suppose that he will renounce parenthood during pregnancy. So he would renounce in the same (actually a bit less, so he doesn't do it in the last day) time frame that she has to abort. Unless she failed to inform him. Then he would be able to choose parentho… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 02:40 AM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)I never said that abortion requires a pre-emptive contract. you pretty much did, lets see, you answered my first question "does a woman needs to sign anything to be able to get an abortion?" (I'm answering your comment that says men should need a presex contract in order to have an abortion. So from context you can know that what im saying with"sign anything" i mean having a presex contract) with "pretty sure she needs to sign some forms" given the context you are impliying that she needs a pres… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 08:34 PM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Pretty sure she needs to sign some forms to do that, yes. No she doesn't, she doesn't need to get a contract with the man before having sex in order to be able to abort. So you are pretty much forcing extra responsibilites on men in order to have the same right which is unnacceptable. And also is unfair and unrealistic atleast to unmarried men. Just imagine after metting and talking for a while with some1 that wants to have sex with you: "Please can you accompany me to the court and take 2 hours… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 02:54 PM |
| 2 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)I literally said if both choose because the person who gives birth also needs the ncp's permission to give it up for adoption. Also the ncp never has to sign the birth certificate unless the courts mandate they be put on. And again, paying childsupport is not parenthood. So yes, they do get a say in whether they're a parent or not. like i said if you need some1 permission to choose, then you are not free to choose and don't get a say, thats stupid, is like saying that a slave is free and has a s… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 06:36 AM |
| 2 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)This is incorrect. First of all, they can both give it up for adoption if neither of them want to be a parent. Second, only paying child support is not parenthood. to give the child up for adoption you need her consent. So no, you can't choose parenthood. No, I'm not being dishonest. Parenthood requires being an actual parent to a child. It requires a lot more than just sending money. It requires being involved in the child's life. If you're not doing that, then there is no parenthood even if yo… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 05:06 AM |
| 2 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)false, only women can choose parenthood. And paying child support are parenthood responsibilities so if they are forced on you, you didnt choose anything. And even if it wasn't from to context you should know that choosing parenthood in this context means don't have any responsibility forced on you. So you are being dishonest | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 04:43 AM |
| 2 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)You can compare women being able to choose parenthood after sex, with men being able to choose parenthood after sex. Because in fact it is the same thing. You are being fallacious, when you look at the different "consecuences" to call it different and then claim they are not comprable when in fact that shouldn't matter. If we apply your logic to other things, then we couldn't complain or "compare" that a president doesn't go to jail for stealing like the rest of the people because it has differe… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 04:21 AM |
| 1 | The pro-choice crowd "suddenly" becomes anti-choice the second anyone dares try to advocate for the male right to choose (to not pay child support)Does a woman needs to sign anything to be able to get an abortion? Then neither should he. He should be able to financially abort during pregnacy just like she does | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 02:32 AM |
| 3 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supporta religious man can think that abortion is murder and that his child is a human being. Does that fact is enought to forbid a woman from taking an abortion? A man can get emotionally traumatizing from the abortion of his child. Do that fact can be used to ban abortion? Then i fail to see how that's an excuse to force a man to pay for a kid he never wanted. That is what seems to be implied. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?You haven't justified even one of your claims. You just keep making g ridiculous statements and expecting people to take you seriously. I am literally justifying all the arguments and counterarguments that I make you just have to look up. accusing me of what you are doing, won't fool anyone. Just take a look at your answer, the first half you are repeating the already debunked fallacy, trying to make it look that the fault that society pays is man's when in reality it is not I already explained … | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?Again, you are failing to justify any or your points you are just making claims, insulting me and putting your opinion as fact. Lets see, you claim that Having a man pay for his child is in no way similar to forcing a women to give birth when in fact it is pretty much the same. In both cases they are being forced into fatherhood because they had sex. The only reason you are unable to see the obvious is because you are sexist misandrist as already shown. Forcing a women to get an abortion is so m… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 03:12 AM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?As i have shown in my last answer your whole point is pretty much a fallacy. As i said many times the one who makes you pay is the woman that decides to have it. So, the one who should get you "attention" and blame is her not him. You are just sexist and don't want men to have the same right to choose. Because If you really were consistent and HONEST with your arguments. Then you would not force a man to pay, you would force a woman to aborto since thats the only way to make sure you don't have … | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?Then what is your solution because this seems to be the only one we're I'm not paying for dumbasses mistakes When abortion is legal, having a kid is no longer a mistake but a woman CHOICE, so stop tryng to fool using the word "mistake". And again, if you and society really found unnaceptable to pay for "people mistakes" you would not ask for man to be forced to pay, (since i did show that you can force a man and still pay) you would ask to force abortion instead since thats the only way to make … | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?if having sex justifies FORCING some1 into fatherhood/paying etc. Then abortion would be banned. The fact that it is not, debunks your point and shows again that you are sexist and hipocritial since you only apply that position on men. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?Bs, as i have shown she's the one making the rest of society pay by having a child she cannot support when she knows that the man has made a financial abortion. There is no excuse, the blame is ON HER. Maybe you should start to make women accountable for their choices, instead of blaming them on the innocent party that had no say in the matter. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?You are the only one that is twisting logic. Proof of that is when you say that allowing a man to opt out is somehow controlling women's body. And like your other answer, your only arguments to defend your position is appealing to "majority" (since we don't know that) views | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?If he pays then I don't have to pay taxes right? No, not right, you just need to find some1 that doesn't have enought money or refuses to pay, then you not only will pay for the child, but for the man's jail as well. And we could apply the same logic to you and the people that think like you "if YOU pay then i don't have to pay taxes" so i guess we could force you to pay instead. Then he should pay because that's how 99% of people are going to see this this argument is dumb. The fact that suppos… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 06:46 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?this is a fallacy that is always used regarding this issue. If the tax payer pays, is not because "his mistake" of having sex. It is because she decided to have a kid, even though she knew she coulnd't support it and she knew he did a financial abortion. So, she's the one that is at fault since she's the one that chooses to have the baby alone. Any argument that try to make it look like its HIS fault the fact that the tax payer is paying, not only is a fallacy but a sexist argument as well | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Financial abortions - Will societal perceptions change?apparently if a man doesn't want to pay for a child he never wanted (and only the woman wanted it) that somehow is controlling women's body. But forcing a man to pay for a child he never wanted and sending him to jail for not doing it, is not controlling his body or his life. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/21 05:10 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?I didnt, i answered it there. "No, but who needs to provide for it is the one that decided to have it and therefore responsible for it. " you are the one that is ignoring the points and not making any sense. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?The child is a result of the actions of both parents false, the child is a result of the woman's choice to have it. So she's the one responsible for it. And the fact that you are making a wall of text doing mental gymnastics that says nothing to the point, does not debunk this | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 06:40 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?See what? even if i was gay my opinion wouldn't change | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:44 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?Look its simple, if conception created a child, then women wouldn't be able to abort it. What creates a child is her decision of carrying it. If you want to keep denying the obvious in order to try to make a man responsible for her choice, go ahead i won't bother with you anymore | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?What does this have to do with the point discussed? | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:28 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?this argument does not debunk what i said. Having sex does not create a child, her choice does. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:26 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?but is not his action what causes a child to exist. Is her choice | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?No, it does not take two. It takes one choice, the woman's choice for a child to exist. And again saying "you knew the risks" in order to force a man to pay, is not a valid argument when abortion is legal | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:12 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?who needs to take care of his needs, is the mother that decided to have it. And that does not answer how saying the obvious " the man does not decide if the child is born or not " invalidates the child. And even if it does, that is still the truth | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:05 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?If you’re going to call out a fallacy please name it. don't need to, as i already explained why that argument is fallacious. If you want to deny it, explain why my justification is wrong Is a child somehow able to provide for itself? No, but who needs to provide for it is the one that decided to have it and therefore responsible for it. Saying a child needs to be provided is no justification to force some1 who never wanted to do anything with the child. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?it's not "a man and women's fault". It is a woman's fault since she's the one that decides to create the child. People seem to forget that part. And no, using any argument that implies that men should be forced because they had sex is not acceptable when abortion is legal | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 01:50 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?This is actually a fallacious argument. The law does not force a man to be in the child's life if he doesn't want, it only forces him to pay. So, allowing the father to opt out won't harm the child in any way So you either thought that the man was forced to be in the child's life, or you were being dishonest | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 01:46 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?If you have sex you must be prepared for the risk or possibility of a child. no, that argument is sexist and hypocritical. If "you knew the risk" was an acceptable argument to force someone into fatherhood then abortion wouldn't be legal. Own that responsibility and be a man about it. He doesn't need to own anything, because responsibility comes with choice. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 01:37 PM |
| 0 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?how is saying that the man had no choice "invalidates the child"? how does you answer has anything to do with what we are talking about? | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 01:30 PM |
| 3 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?it's not, the man does not decide if the child is born or not | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 04:13 PM |
| 3 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?you did not say it literally, but argue/justify against men right to choose using the argument "if the man doesn't pay the burden falls on the taxpayer and nobody wants to pay for other people's kids" says exactly that. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 01:44 PM |
| 7 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?one of the reasons we pay taxes is to ensure people's rights. So how is saying "you can't have that right because it will cost us tax money" a valid argument? why this doesn't apply to other rights like adoption or safe havens? And if you are paying for another people's kid, is because the woman decided to have a CHILD SHE CAN'T SUPPORT. So again, if denying rights in order to save tax money is acceptable, why don't you force her to abort instead? it makes more sense than forcing the man that ha… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 10:44 AM |
| 9 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?this argument is sexist and hypocritical. If consenting to sex means consenting to be a father. Then abortion wouldn't be legal. If it does not apply to women neither does to men. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 06:50 AM |
| 8 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?neither had the man. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 06:43 AM |
| 9 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?I see, if a man wants to choose fatherhood you say: "if the man didn’t use rubber he already consented to having a child. " and if a woman wants to choose fatherhood you say: "That’s a women’s right " def not double standarts | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 06:42 AM |
| 1 | Men's say for their child if their mother wants an abortion.Because a dead foetus doesn’t have the same rights or any sort of well being to protect when compared to an alive baby, I thought that was obvious The context and implications of the rights aren’t the same, one is a right over personal bodily processes, in the form of abortion / keeping the chil The other is the rights to be able to legally totally cut ties the child you helped create The nature of childbirth means an identical egalitarian approach isn’t appropriate, it disregards the reality of… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 03:10 PM |
| 1 | Men's say for their child if their mother wants an abortion.It objectively infringes upon the woman’s right to their own bodily autonomy if you force them to abort And the alternative for men is to disadvantage the child, is that fair? You absolutely can force a man to pay child support because it’s what currently happens. When two people have unprotected sex, which will be the cause of a wide majority of unwanted pregnancies, they both become responsible for the life they created+++++ your answer does not answer to anything I had put in the first place,… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Men's say for their child if their mother wants an abortion.What’s the alternative the alternative is give men the same right to choose fatherhood just like the women do. In this case, being able to renounce paternity during pregnancy. You can’t morally force a woman to abort, that breaches her rights to bodily autonomy Again this bs argument. "Morality" is not an argument or a fact you can use to justify your double standarst, it is just your opinion. And i can say the same thing, you can't force a man to pay for a child he never wanted because it is ag… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Men's say for their child if their mother wants an abortion.And now this is a hipocritical and sexist argument. If the "damaged future of the child" is enought to deny men right to choose. Then it should apply to deny a woman the right to carry the child to term if the man doesn't want it, since being in a fatherless home hurts the child. People still make mistakes and we can’t decide for the mother on whether or not she has the kid because that form of control is immoral Sure, and force a man to pay every month for 25 years and send him to jail if he do… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/21 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Men's say for their child if their mother wants an abortion.Physiology has nothing to do with this, it is not physiology who forces men to pay, while at the same time giving the right to choose to women, it is a legal issue. Trying to pass the law as biology in order to deny rights, is the same fallacy that homophobes use to oppose gay marriage "2 men cant marry because the body is only fit to be with women" the idea for a sort of legal abortion for men doesn’t stop a child from existing so what? and how that links into issues with that child’s future / … | /r/MensRights | 27/04/21 06:35 PM |
| 1 | [PostRemoved] Females argue if men's have the right to decide an abortion.Look, we don't have the right to make a decision of course we do, it's his money and his life therefore his choice. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/21 03:08 PM |
| 12 | Will they also pass legislation to make it criminal for women who falsely claim they were on birth control?She could use her own birth control to avoid being pregnant the same argument applies | /r/MensRights | 11/02/21 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Pro choice for menPlease this is dumb. It's talking about sex or sexual pleasure not about reproduction just take a look when you were a teenager. Did you have the urge to have sex or the urge to have children? you already know the answer. It is the sexual urge that is physiological just try to not have any kind of sexual contact or self sexual contact during a year and lets see how you do. If it was reproduction there shouldnt. If reproduction was a physiological issue in that pyramid then there could not be peo… | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Pro choice for menis funny you mention Maslow's hierarchy of needs when he places sex on physiological witch would be the base of the pyramid. And by no way driving could be added on safety https://digital.com/how-to-become-an-entrepreneur/maslows-hierarchy/ And that wasn't the point anyways the point is the man has no responsability because he doesn't have a choice as i already explained | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 05:05 PM |
| 3 | Pro choice for menDriving is just as "necessary" as sex, that wasn't the point anyways. And again wrong, that a child exists is not a consequence of sex. It is the consequence of she deciding to gestate it for 9 months, she's to one that decides if a child exists or not. The man HAS NO CHOICE so it is not his responsibility, it is simple. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Pro choice for menIf you drive, you risk having an accident. That does not mean that it is your responsibility just because you have accepted the risks. like i said no choice no responsability, now you can make all mental gimnastics you want it doesn't change that fact | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 03:32 PM |
| 4 | Pro choice for menThe responsibility argument does not apply to men in any country where abortion is legal. Responsibility comes with choice and men does not choose whether the child is born or not, therefore it is not his responsibility. It would only be his responsibility if he have agreed to be a father | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 03:06 PM |
| 7 | Pro choice for menYou do not need to carry the child to be able to renounce paternity and thus not have to pay | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 02:50 PM |
| 11 | Pro choice for menSometimes abortions are too expensive for women to get More expensive is rising a child. And thats a dumb argument because even if she didnt have money for an abortion she still could give the child to adoption. So if she decides to have a child in her life is because she wants it. Her body, her choice. She thinks that the women should get to choose everything about the child because it's her body I don't see how this is an argument against men right to choose. And the same can be said in this c… | /r/MensRights | 07/10/20 02:48 PM |
| 15 | You evil bigoted sexist pig...Not really feminism was always the same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUatPfz_T8M&t=5s&ab_channel=Xeno | /r/AntiFeminists | 20/09/20 05:18 PM |
| 2 | Feminism was never good. even the first wave.this video explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUatPfz_T8M&t=5s&ab_channel=Xeno | /r/MensRights | 20/09/20 10:05 AM |
| 1 | Reproductive rights for all.Now it turns out that if a man does not want to be a father, he is garbage. why? he never wanted a child in the first place and he is not the one who decides whether there is a child or not nor is it his fault that there is one. So instead of penalizing the man, why don't you penalize the woman? It is she who after having sex for pleasure and taking advantage of an accident (in case contraceptives have been used) and thinking only of her wishes, decides to gestate and have a child even knowing t… | /r/MensRights | 10/09/20 11:11 AM |
| 1 | Reproductive rights for all.the child will be left without a father anyways since the law does not oblige the father to visit the child only to pay child support | /r/MensRights | 09/09/20 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Reproductive rights for all.he should face no responsibility because it is not his responsibility. Who decides if there is a child or not is the mother therefore it's her responsibility. And the child will be left without a father the same way, since the law does not oblige the father to visit the child only to pay child support | /r/MensRights | 09/09/20 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Reproductive rights for all.you would not be abandoning anything. Man would renounce paternity during pregnancy before there is even a child | /r/MensRights | 09/09/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | TrueResponsibility often doesn’t come with a choice in life Responsibility comes with choice, otherwise it is not your responsibility. I suppose that if you consider that for something to be your responsibility you do not need choice, then slavery, forced labor, etc must seem good to you, right? and since we follow that logic then I can say that the responsibility of taking care of the child is not the father's it is yours thegraveyardcat. Seems unfair because you didn't had a choice? well too bad r… | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/09/20 08:22 AM |
| 12 | Trueresponsability comes with choice. So no, it is only 50/50 if they both agreed to have a child. If you are the only one who decides to have a child alone then it is only your responsibility | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/09/20 07:34 AM |
| 2 | If a woman has the right to chose to keep or abort a pregnancy, a man should have the right to walk away from one.Are you forgetting that women can Just go to a sperm bank in order to get inseminated and have a child? Sperm that was willingly donated by men? Is that selfish or against the man's will? We are not discussing about sperm donors. We are discussing the case that a man is forced to pay for a child he never wanted because he has had sex, this is very different from someone who voluntarily donates his semen and agrees to be a father [Edit. And btw sperms donor are not forced to take care of the chil… | /r/MensRights | 27/07/20 03:06 PM |
| 9 | If a woman has the right to chose to keep or abort a pregnancy, a man should have the right to walk away from one.but i dont really agree with this. if a man doesnt want to be a father then he should wear protection or get surgery to not make children when having sex with a woman Hipocritical and sexist argument. The same argument can be said to a woman to deny her the right to abortion "if she didn't wanted to be forced to be a mother she should've used protection" if it does not apply to women it does not apply to men. " but it takes two people to make a child" It is curious that this does not apply when … | /r/MensRights | 26/07/20 04:06 PM |
| 4 | This makes me so angry. If it's her body and her choice, why can't it be his money and his choice? I feel bad for that guy, the court isn't gonna side with him. As expected, the sub gives her the "Not The Asshole" flair.why should the hard working taxpayer have to pay for the man's mess? the man's mess? He did not choose for the child to be born. It was the woman who did it, so it is only the woman's responsibility, the man had no say in the matter. So if you are "paying" for a child is because the mother decided to have it even though she couldn't support it | /r/MensRights | 14/06/20 08:13 AM |
| 1 | This makes me so angry. If it's her body and her choice, why can't it be his money and his choice? I feel bad for that guy, the court isn't gonna side with him. As expected, the sub gives her the "Not The Asshole" flair.Even if he didn't use a condom it wouldn't be his fault there is a kid in the world because who decides if there is a kid or not is the woman as she is the only with choice. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/20 06:22 AM |
| 1 | This makes me so angry. If it's her body and her choice, why can't it be his money and his choice? I feel bad for that guy, the court isn't gonna side with him. As expected, the sub gives her the "Not The Asshole" flair.if you helped create that life you should assist in that childs life I see, so if a man is raped does he has to support it because he "helped" to create it? I think this is a fallacious and nasty argument. that "help" is completely involuntary. And the only thing that he involuntarily "helped" to create is conception. The rest is on her, she is the only one who has voluntarily created the child by gestation for 9 months | /r/MensRights | 13/06/20 05:31 PM |
| 2 | This makes me so angry. If it's her body and her choice, why can't it be his money and his choice? I feel bad for that guy, the court isn't gonna side with him. As expected, the sub gives her the "Not The Asshole" flair.If she still gives birth, don’t be a dick a leave the kid and make him suffer. He never had a word in this affair. Neither had the man. If the kid is suffering is because the mother decided to have it even though she couldn't support it | /r/MensRights | 13/06/20 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Let's set aside the "it's in my body for 9 months" and the man has to only pay for 18 years" argument for a few secondse in the world it's helpless. If you snuff it out in development, it doesn't cost anyone anything except potential emotional trauma and a one So if a man is raped he should pay for the child because he made it too? No, is the woman who should be the only one accountable if she decided to have a baby against the man wishes she is the only one making the CHOICE to bring the child not the man | /r/MensRights | 31/05/19 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Let's set aside the "it's in my body for 9 months" and the man has to only pay for 18 years" argument for a few secondsequences So the man chooses to be a father when he have sex the pro life people agree with you. such a disgusting double standarts | /r/MensRights | 31/05/19 04:17 PM |
| 18 | One of the most delusional sjw I’ve come across.10/10 | /r/MensRights | 01/03/19 12:49 PM |
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