Gullyvuhr Archive

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1	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate If you only take "The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men" as the definition of feminism, very few people in our culture would oppose this stance, but most other people still wouldn't call themselves "feminists". The argument was semantic in nature, and the problem with a general statement like "all feminists sources use X data, and have no concern for facts" (I'm paraphrasing) is that in this case there is a definition for the word femini…	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 09:26 PM
1	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate You're missing the point entirely in your effort to be right. A generalization is a generalization, and it's hypocritical of you to cite bad data, while generalizing that everyone who purports to show data to the contrary is both a feminist, and wrong... furthermore, you then pull a classic move and tell me to find something disproving your generalization (See also: Russel's Teapot). What offends you, in it's entirety, is not feminism... I would think since you already agreed you were one by def…	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 09:16 PM
3	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate You're apparently not even remotely understanding what my point was.. what a bias is.. or how I related the two, but I do respect that you don't let a lack of understanding stop you from arguing. Good chat.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 07:08 PM
2	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate You disagree with people who use bad or non-existent math. I'm with you. Stop there.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 07:07 PM
3	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate I'm confused, you're saying there are only two explanations.. and one oddly disagrees with what you've decided the answer is, and the other agrees with it 100%? Wow. Odd, that.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 07:02 PM
6	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate Doesn't really matter what I think, that's the point of my original response. The data found the question, not the answer. If we're tossing out answers based on our own personal bias, then one is as good as another.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 06:39 PM
6	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate "Its that women learn early on they can't be those jobs so they don't want them as much." This wasn't the conclusion of the study, and is just this persons answer to the question the data created. Or maybe it was your general use of "his", and my assuming you meant Copperopolis.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 06:33 PM
13	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate I like how you ask the right questions, and then draw on your bias for the answer.. while telling someone else their bias is wrong. The question IS why do women prioritize less stress and more flexibility, given the data available. Leave it at that.	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 06:05 PM
43	feminist myth of women earning $0.72 to a man's $1 repeated in u.s. presidential debate How can you go after someone on the grounds of inaccuracy, and then pretend statements like "every feminist I've ever met.. " "most feminists use.. " paint you some champion of truthiness? Feminism is a word, it has an actual meaning -- "The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men" -- it's not a label that instantly invalidates an argument because most people, by definition, would actually BE this. It irritates me when either side of any argum…	/r/MensRights	17/10/12 06:02 PM
1	Women face social barriers to having children. Reason #1: being unable to find a man willing to commit to fatherhood I had no intention of having children with previous partners -- but my current SO? I actually was fine with it before she was. The truth is that these women couldn't find men willing to commit to it with them -- and quite potentially it has to do with data points from both the men they were after, and these specific women.	/r/MensRights	13/10/11 03:01 PM
2	When technology eventually allows for it, should a man get the right to choose? I don't honestly care where you find abortion applicable or not, it's not the point. Nor is what you find childish, your take on men, or any other totally obtuse factor. As it stands right now, only the woman can choose to end the chain of events that culminate in parenthood if a pregnancy occur. Your lament on the ownership and responsibility being grand, it doesn't change the fact that pregnancies do occur and "assuming the risk" does not equate to the sole factor in determining if you should …	/r/MensRights	10/02/11 06:11 AM
2	When technology eventually allows for it, should a man get the right to choose? Your arguement is leaving the realm of rational and moving into religious/morality -- I'm not touching that ground because it's pointless. This isn't a pro-life/pro-choice discussion in my book, just one where all parties involved deserve equal footing.	/r/MensRights	10/02/11 04:55 AM
2	When technology eventually allows for it, should a man get the right to choose? There isn't resolution here, because I don't believe a woman's right to choose is "dodging their responsibilites" anymore than I believe a man who doesn't want to be a parent is dodging his - religious dogma notwithstanding, I believe as creatures of biology we are going to do what we do.. and to pretend that a mistake in this regard carries with it a life sentence is, to put as fine a tip on it as I can, lunacy.	/r/MensRights	10/02/11 03:27 AM
1	When technology eventually allows for it, should a man get the right to choose? This doesn't really solve anything, and instead actually just creates a bevy of new problems. Being able to "choose" should be the option of both adults, not just one (or neither). If you replace abortion in my examples with adoption - either way, it's still never the males actual choice, and one gender is still endentured based on the decision of the other.	/r/MensRights	10/02/11 02:11 AM
3	When technology eventually allows for it, should a man get the right to choose? I don't think it really matters who is for or against it. What matters are the state senates that write family law -- they are still a majority of men across the board, and the laws still remain unchanged for a reason. I mean, it could be that it's political suicide to touch them. I really don't know.	/r/MensRights	09/02/11 08:55 PM
4	When technology eventually allows for it, should a man get the right to choose? The right to choose, and endentured servitude are not the same thing. If someone has the right to choose, in our mythical technologically advanced world, then that is where their right starts and stops. The notion of child support should be undone because it's unfair, regarless which gender it impacts. If a parent wants the child, they want the child, it should not come with a price tag for the parent that didn't. This is the component today that causes me so much grief: If the woman wants to ke…	/r/MensRights	09/02/11 08:46 PM
1	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders Save your bullshit rethoric. There is what I said, and there is the nonsense you continually argue in any thread. The two never meet. You do this in every post you make on MR, and pretend because you've made up some reasons and thrown around the most insults that you've turned shit into gold. Doesn't work that way. Fact: Chemical castration has been on the books since 98', and and yet to experience your mystical "mission creep". Is it possible? Of course. Is it probable? No, it's not -- and it's…	/r/MensRights	29/01/11 08:03 PM
1	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders As per normal, you soapbox without actually reading anything. Not once did I support anything, but said you can't pretend slippery slope is an arguable stance. You're of the worst offenders in this subbrediit of ignorant behavior, and borderline paranoid lunacy.	/r/MensRights	29/01/11 05:18 PM
1	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders I didn't mean I was looking to argue, but from the comments being posted it was clear people weren't reading the actual bill and were kneejerking like this was a 2x thread. Wanted that to stop and have people state actual thought out arguements, rather then "NOW THEYLLL CUT OFF THE BALLS OF SOME 16 YEAR OLD KID WHO SLEEPS WITH HIS 14 YR OLD GF". There is data to support chemical castration, voluntary or required to re-enter society. Where Im confused is how VA is getting away with suggesting a s…	/r/MensRights	29/01/11 02:17 AM
2	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders A large portion of the fluid comes from prostate gland, it just wouldn't have any sperm -- ergo, he's sterile.	/r/MensRights	29/01/11 02:13 AM
-1	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders It relies on a guess, end of story. You can't really get around that part. I understand it's a concern, but the only thing VA is doing is suggesting a study. 5 states already do chemically, and it's only applied for the past 12 years to the worst of the worst. From the data on hand though, it's really hard to even fathom the notion that this becomes the common judgement in rape cases. There is zero evidence to support this happening -- matter of fact, in the 12 years it's been in use, it has not…	/r/MensRights	29/01/11 02:10 AM
4	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders I don't disagree with you. Again, my intent was intelligent discussion on the facts.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 11:55 PM
1	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders I'm not disagreeing with your points, at all. I just wanted actual intelligent arguements based on fact rather then some of the other stuff I was seeing.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 11:55 PM
0	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders Unarguable. Slippery slope has no logical application, ever. You can make up what you think will happen in 5 years, but neither of us can say it will. Further more, 5 states already have chemical castration as an option since 98.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 11:54 PM
0	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders To reduce, or remove the biological drive for sex that comes with the chemicals your testicles release into your body. Castration operates under the premise that sexual assualt is always sex-based, which is faulty -- but that is the driver.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 06:47 PM
5	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders Again, testicles aren't required for an erection. Please feel free to, you know, actually read something on the topic and educate yourself.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 06:36 PM
6	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders You're confused, it's not about "orgasm". It's about the gonads producing hormones that impact your sex drive. Also: your testicles are not required for an orgasm. You can downvote me till you feel great, you're still wrong about basic biology.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 06:31 PM
3	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders No, we're talking the sexual offender version of castration -- not the version committed in tribal or religious systems.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 06:24 PM
3	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders Physical castration is the removal of the testicles -- the female equal would be ovaries.	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 06:22 PM
5	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders Because females rarely commit violent sexual crimes of the nature that even fall into the category of potential for castration (requires the act be violent, and perpetrator be of the sub-set where rehabilitation is unlikely). The bill specifically targets the low percentage of violent sexual offenders who have little/no chance of rehabilition with standard treatment. Btw, the states that currently employ chemical castration make no provisions for male v. female. The violent sexual crimes themsel…	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 06:20 PM
15	Here is the infamous Virginia bill that would allow physical castration of male sex offenders It's a draconian solution, but it appears most comments here are from those that actually didn't read the proposed bill. It's specifically for the most violent offenders, with a history of predatory behavior and a high chance of repeating.. note: VIOLENT. There is data to accurately determine those that standard treatment options will be ineffective on. Not one time assaults, nor 16 year olds sleeping with underage girlfriends. Not saying it's right or wrong, but read the fucking thing and formu…	/r/MensRights	28/01/11 05:28 PM
2	Model wants you to know that she's out of your league. Remember all the outrage when George Clooney said "No Fat Chicks"? You'd think with all that money should could have a little dental work done and then maybe be as attractive as she says she is.	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 09:49 PM
2	Women tells rape lie because she was late for work, blames diet for nearly destroying man's life Yea, I get where you're coming from.. and absolutely if you're in the legal position to prove there was lying, and malicious intent from the accusation, I'm especially with you.	/r/MensRights	03/12/10 02:37 PM
2	Women tells rape lie because she was late for work, blames diet for nearly destroying man's life Can't deny what you're saying, when it's a case that they can prove she is lying. I just don't think that's always easy to do, or as cut and dry as in this specific situations.	/r/MensRights	03/12/10 03:07 AM
2	Women tells rape lie because she was late for work, blames diet for nearly destroying man's life I'm not sure I fully agree -- nor does any data at present reflect that a lack of stiff punishment for lying about rape is causing an increase of false rape claims. Correlation doesn't not equal causeation. If you falsely accuse someone of murder, or battery, or theft, and you are lying, there is no law in place that makes you culable to what would've been their sentence if found guilty -- but rape should be different? I just don't know about that. As I said above, my concern with stiff penaliti…	/r/MensRights	03/12/10 03:05 AM
1	Women tells rape lie because she was late for work, blames diet for nearly destroying man's life Very well could be, was just my gut reaction to it --- if there is as stiff a sentence opposed for lying as for the crime, I would worry it would incentivize the idea of 'die with your lie'	/r/MensRights	03/12/10 02:59 AM
10	Women tells rape lie because she was late for work, blames diet for nearly destroying man's life The problem here is that if you make it too strong a negative to admit lying, no one will ever recant and admit they were lying. I don't disagree with your sentiment at all, but you have to give the women an out who do lie.. sadly -- and it's more to protect the victim of their lie then it is them.	/r/MensRights	02/12/10 08:15 PM
9	Okay, how many people in this "Men's Rights" subreddit are ACTUALLY MALE, rather than a woman trying to keep tabs on their perceived adversary?? Holy christ.. do we need tin foil hats now as well?	/r/MensRights	01/12/10 05:02 PM
5	Feminism and some views on the draft. They want rights first and obligatons only after women control everything. It may be trollbait -- but the principle exists: women are still exempt from the draft, and the draft is still a measure that can be used. Time to update it, I say.	/r/MensRights	01/12/10 03:11 PM
9	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." haha, that is absolutely reasonable. Got confused for a second. =)	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 02:37 PM
10	A man, suffering from liver failure, owed $30,000 in back child support. They took most of his paycheck (his children were adults). He couldn't feed himself; his lack of nutrition and illness were killing him. Their response: "We don't care; go ahead and die." Could you please explain how in your mind you justify 400 dollars a week for anyone? I know low income families that live off this -- but you're saying it costs that much for one child?	/r/MensRights	08/11/10 02:26 PM
0	[XX] In my Ethics class today, I was the only person who felt that men should be considered regarding the decision to abort. Having read your post history, it's apparent that you do nothing but troll with poorly contructed arguements, for what reason I haven't the foggiest idea -- so I'll stop biting now, since it's doubtful that even you stand behind the stuff you spew.	/r/MensRights	05/11/10 04:38 PM
0	[XX] In my Ethics class today, I was the only person who felt that men should be considered regarding the decision to abort. No, you are using an arguement of convience and addendum. Your arguement IS semantical and is IS the crux of most men's issues regarding the topic. You can caveat and add and bullshit till you're blue in the face, you can pretend an abortion doesn't avoid becoming a parent, you can pretend they are two unrelated events (because obviously pregnancy does not lead to a child being born, in your mind), hell, you can pretend storks deliver babies magically for all I care -- because as of this moment,…	/r/MensRights	05/11/10 03:22 AM
0	[XX] In my Ethics class today, I was the only person who felt that men should be considered regarding the decision to abort. You are arguing semantics, and I have to believe you know it. The woman can choose to not be a parent, by virtue of termination - which IS the end result regardless how you word it. The man may not, at any point, make the same choice. I'm not saying right or wrong here, simply that one half of the equation decides, either way, for the other half in the current system.	/r/MensRights	05/11/10 02:12 AM
-10	Did I call it or what. Guy get's banned from feminisms for not "checking his privilege" - what ever the hell that is supposed to mean, and I get banned for telling him he's gonna get banned. Hilarious. How the hell did you come to the conclusion this was even remotely post-worthy? I swear to God some of you fuckers are Drama Queens on the order of the missing cast member from Jersey Shore. Sometimes I can't tell if this is fucking 2x or Mensrights, because the shit looks identical at times.	/r/MensRights	30/10/10 04:30 PM
6	Thanks to you, Reddit, I canceled my son's circumcision today. Thank you for repeating what I just said, while contradicting the post above me, in the most ignorant way you possibly could. Your point was.. that.. I was.. right? Also: "Shower that much" has nothing to do with anything, unless you somehow believe HIV is solved by Old Spice Body Wash and running water.	/r/MensRights	29/10/10 03:49 PM
6	Thanks to you, Reddit, I canceled my son's circumcision today. The research is not hotly contested, sorry. This is flat out wrong. Circumsized males do have an decreased chance of contracting infections through sex, via their penis, across the board -- and your point about homosexual males is so ignorant it borders on malicious. In areas of the world where AIDS is prevelent, all health organizations want to provide it (circumcision) and there are multiple studies proving there is no diminished sexual function from it. The counter arguement is that in places…	/r/MensRights	29/10/10 01:53 PM
1	Two teenage girls who made 'false' rape allegations escape prosecution This ^ I can write this off to bad judgement right up until they attempt to identify an attacker -- which they didn't, thankfully.	/r/MensRights	18/10/10 08:25 PM
1	Men of Reddit: Prostate and colorectal cancer awareness... Are we going to do something, or brood about breast cancer being "better"? Put on your.. brown ribbons?	/r/MensRights	10/10/10 01:48 PM
1	DEBUNKED: the current anti-"MensRights" rant being upvoted in 2XC, which is full of sourceless myths. There seems to be a lot of toe-pointing for one of the genders.	/r/MensRights	08/10/10 05:23 PM
2	DEBUNKED: the current anti-"MensRights" rant being upvoted in 2XC, which is full of sourceless myths. Haha, it's a great and valid point. I can only imagine someone invested in their own side heavily getting massively derailed by that. What is also amusing is that when you hit someone with counter-intuitive using their own logic it's usually around the time they invoke Godwin's and huff off.	/r/MensRights	08/10/10 12:14 AM
0	DEBUNKED: the current anti-"MensRights" rant being upvoted in 2XC, which is full of sourceless myths. I don't think in terms of social reform type ideas you, sadly, ever reach what works out to be a fair equilibrium.. at least if history is any teacher. I'd say historically it swings one way.. and then is classicly over-corrected. Wash, rinse, repeat the other way, then back, then again, etc, etc, etc. What you hope for is that there are enough people in the middle fighting for truly fair, which I truly believe there are. It's just harder to hear them because the crazies on both sides that repre…	/r/MensRights	07/10/10 10:05 PM
3	DEBUNKED: the current anti-"MensRights" rant being upvoted in 2XC, which is full of sourceless myths. Generalizations are generalizations, regardless of which side you happen to be arguing from -- and in that regard, there are no less people in Mensrights willing to bend and distort reality then there are in 2XC. Furthermore the posts I tend to see downvoted in either subreddit are rarely offtopic, but done because they don't agree with the vast conspiracy theory against the gender that started them. The truth is that common sense seems to be the enemy of both subreddits quite frequently, and it…	/r/MensRights	07/10/10 09:53 PM
1	15yo has sex with cop's 14yo daughter. Cop goes to boy's house, tells him he's under arrest for sexual assault to scare him. I can only assume he did the same to his daughter...? Agreed, but my point was this was an angry Father who was also a cop. It wasn't random cop.	/r/MensRights	28/09/10 05:52 PM
6	15yo has sex with cop's 14yo daughter. Cop goes to boy's house, tells him he's under arrest for sexual assault to scare him. I can only assume he did the same to his daughter...? In total agreement, just pointing out this isn't a MensRights issue. The guy was a Dad, the girl his daughter. He acted poorly and should be held accountable, but having dated teenage girls I do recall many a confrontation with angry Father.	/r/MensRights	28/09/10 01:01 PM
-4	15yo has sex with cop's 14yo daughter. Cop goes to boy's house, tells him he's under arrest for sexual assault to scare him. I can only assume he did the same to his daughter...? This was a Dad thing, not a cop thing.. he just happened to be a cop, and a douche.	/r/MensRights	28/09/10 04:27 AM
1	Married last week... I was troll faced last night. Now what? The truth is this: ultimatums don't work, especially when they are the first step in arguement resolution. If she starts with this, where exactly do you think step two leads? I don't think you did your homework on this one -- and btw? Marriage isn't a gift, unless I misunderstand it. Pretty sure you married her as much as she married you. Get this annuled now, if she bails immediately then you have your answer. If she actually gives a crap about you, and the relationship, then she'll be willing …	/r/MensRights	22/09/10 05:38 PM
1	Mainstream Feminism is not an innocent bystander So Sean Connery speaks for himself, and the Dean of Vassar college is apparently a title Comins can only speak as? No, she spoke for herself on the topics given, as the interview was with her.. the woman who happened to also be the Dean of Vassar college at the time. She did not speak as a "leading feminist", she did not speak as a part of a larger movement, she spoke as herself, on her views - ergo, the article was.. get this.. about her, and her views. Odd, that. I can do the same thing moving…	/r/MensRights	10/09/10 08:30 PM
2	Mainstream Feminism is not an innocent bystander Let's go over your posts, shall we? First post -- intelligent response. Second post- horse shit sleight of hand, avoid all responses and make up a straw man arugement completely outside of the point. What struck a nerve was your shift of gears from an actual discussion, to typical MensRight poster bullshit. My apologies if you think the point of my response was what Sean Connery said, and that the value of his quote is remotely discussion worthy, as opposed to, you know, the point I was making o…	/r/MensRights	10/09/10 05:06 PM
1	Mainstream Feminism is not an innocent bystander Dude, knock it off with the cliche bullshit. I was obviously making a point on characterizing someone as something and then using a quote against them. I could give two shits about Sean Connery on anything -- which I'm pretty sure you're aware of.	/r/MensRights	10/09/10 04:51 PM
1	Mainstream Feminism is not an innocent bystander End of the day all you did was show that a handful of women in power said some stupid shit. Care to start quoting the men in power who've said stupid shit? Would it make a logical arguement for women's groups to use those quotes to characterize men's rights groups? Sean Connery, Noted actor, and leading men's rights activist said: "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong in hitting a woman, though I don't recommend you do it the same way that you hit a man". Does the phrase "leading m…	/r/MensRights	10/09/10 04:39 PM
1	Mainstream Feminism is not an innocent bystander They are women in positions of power, yes. I don't think I argued that anywhere. I also didn't say anything about their positions being, or not being mainstream. However, what I did point out was by what standard or title are they being dubbed "leading feminists"? Seems to be their use for the article starts and stops by virtue of having more extremist opinions. Also, not once has anyone even remotely proved who shares these beliefs or opinions. In case you weren't aware, an organization posting…	/r/MensRights	10/09/10 03:56 PM
7	Mainstream Feminism is not an innocent bystander You cannot protray an entire movement by the quotes of people who self-proclaim their involvement -- I mean, we could quote some out there people from any movement or ideology that would seem fairly rediculous. Most every woman I know would call herself a feminist -- a word with an actual definition that means equality between the sexes, regardless of gender. Most would also laugh at every quote on that page because they are sane. All I'm saying is that these people quoted exist.. but to make th…	/r/MensRights	09/09/10 06:58 PM
-6	Gen-Y females: 64% would release a sex tape if it would help advance their careers, 36% would blackmail a co-worker or a boss to get ahead, 45% would sleep with their professor to pass a class But you know, guys are dogs.	/r/MensRights	09/09/10 03:23 PM
1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Sorry, in an arguement of science -- the only one I've entered into in terms of circumcision, there is only the science to argue. You can can pretend I don't understand emotions if you like, you can levy whatever silly judgement you deem appropriate. I honestly don't care. I've said my arguement is against bad science, so I'm not going to be drug into a moral debate on it -- all I care about is that people know what they are talking about from this angle. If they don't care about this angle in t…	/r/MensRights	02/09/10 01:21 AM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Basically you sound like a functional autistic who can only see the numbers when making this decision, and are incapable of hearing the arguments of people who say that bodily integrity and autonomy are important. What you believe is moot, and not the basis of an aruguement on the medical merits on circumcision. Sorry, your feelings on autonomy and integrity aren't important, valid, or relevant in this discussion. Also: I don't care if you believe in Jesus, are gay, or fuck barn yard creatures. …	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 11:43 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18086100 Jesus, that was tough to do. Obviously thinking you could look it up was the same as asking you to take my word for it. Good call!	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 11:19 PM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. You don't need me for this conversation you're having with yourself, do you?	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 09:12 PM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. I love that someone like you feels they can size up someone by a position they have on, say, circumcision. A position you disagree with, and cannot argue logically over. I will admit that I love the notion that you do not let the fact you know absolutely nothing that you're talking about stop you from talking about it though. Then again, I have a soft spot for ignorance. It's not that you aren't smart enough to know, you just choose not to -- and fucking hell I find that mix of fear and ignoranc…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 08:20 PM
1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/sorrells_2007/ There, since you can't help yourself I'm going to do it for you. The above study shows a measureable difference in the sensitivity on the glans between an uncircumsized and circumsized male penis (given control for many mitigating factors). In this study the finding is that there is a difference in sensitivity -- it's just on such a small magnitude that it takes specialized instrumentation and procedures in order to actually touch at that level …	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 07:52 PM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. So, you're saying a "study" is not "logic"? See, that is where you wrong. The study started as logic, someone wanted to know something, and instead of just pretending it was true, they went about proving it. I can't agure conspiracy theory, but then again I'm not crazy. You apparently are. Good luck.	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 07:42 PM
1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18086100 See, while you're the guy that think surveys are studies. They aren't. The other rule on this is they have to be recognized, independant, and validated by peer review. (You know, the thing I schooled you on in the other thread, that somehow you missed in class.. while being educated). Neither "Livescience" nor "circumsicion.org" represent valid, or impartial studies that any medical body accepts. Even someone like you should be able to make this distin…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 07:07 PM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Wow, the third grade defensive thing? Not sure how arguing a position makes me defensive, but give it a rest. I assure you it's the uncut guys that get the most worked up over this, a quick look in my post history clearly shows that little gem. Now, lets go with facts, shall we? You seem really confused on what a fact is. Here is a study for you: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18761593 You'll note the study finds no difference in sexual function or sensitivity regarding circumsized or uncirc…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 06:56 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Fact versus opinion. Your survery does not adhere to the scientific method, it is not fact. It is nothing but observational and anecdotcal - something I've said 3, 4, 5, 6 times now. Do you even understand what observational and anecdotal mean? Hint: they aren't insults. You drew a conclusion, great! I'm so proud of you. Now, just recognize it's not worth the paper it's printed on in terms of actual science, regardless of linking it to wikipedia. This is fact: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 06:46 PM
4	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. I enjoy reading comprehension as well -- did you comprehend the fact you made up numbers and I showed you were incorrect via the World Health Organization? And I said nothing about taking measurements... what I said was that you'd notice a difference in girth before the fractional-inch foreskin, more than likely. You're apologizing to me over circumcision? Nothing was taken from me, no studies show any difference in sensitivity between uncircumsized males and circumsized males. Do you understand…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 06:22 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Nono, I caught it. I just honestly didn't think I had to say this.. lol.. Because "surverys' are just like "studies". Hang on, I'm going over to the AMA to look at this years surveys in the journal... of.. wait, I can't seem to find a survey.. weird... I wonder why? It's certianly not bias, or control groups, or the fact it's totally and completely outside the testing methodology for useable science.. They must've screwed up! Lol.. ok, I give. Obviously your survery is the empirical data all the…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 06:11 PM
-4	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. I'm not clear of your point? The skin under the foreskin has over ten thousand nerve endings too.. where are we going with this?	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 06:01 PM
1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. I said your statement about the head of your dick wasn't proof of anything, yet you keep citing it and telling me I've not showed the flaw? Personal anecdote is not science.. are you clear? Observational study of yourself doesn't yield valid scientific conclusion on everyone else.. still confused? And this is priceless: "Therefore, all we can do is present our own arguments of probability and logic." -- you used a personal anecdote and applied it globally. See, this isn't science and doesn't tak…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 05:50 PM
-2	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Sorry, but it's not a "Boys Club" issue to say that a women can tell the relative size of two objects stuck inside her. Perhaps you cannot, and I apologize for that, but my experience with past partners has been that they have all been able to play the game of "which object put inside me was bigger" -- I think, also, given that Dildos are sold by size, most women might agree they also can tell a difference. (note I didn't say prefer, I said could tell). Unfortunately, you can't really claim this…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 05:37 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Did I discredit anything but your silly statement about the head of your penis? Jesus, is this thing on? Are you reading anything? If you'd like to compare academic credentials im PMs, I'm sure my student loans are much greater than yours -- so you can knock off the cliche education comment. Something I'm willing to bet a via quick look through your posting history is a staple satement of any argument you've had. And between the two of us, the only person calling your responses "meaningful" is y…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 05:12 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Yes, when you pretend your opinion becomes fact (because my dick is sensitive to things and yours isn't, it's proof circumcision diminishes sensitivty!) you break down your own arguement. I was pretty clear on what I was talking about, I thought. More reading? You're quoting wikipedia while actually telling people because the head of your penis is sensitive that the fact theirs rubs on things all day and doesn't hurt shows some undeniable proof? Yes, I see now. Your science is unrefutable.. lol …	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 04:56 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. For starters -- you're free to your own opinion, right up until it overlaps with fact. At the point you hit facts in a dicussion, you're going to have to back them up or label them as opinion. When you say something like this: Therefore, I've presented a simple argument for how it is undeniably clear that the uncircumcised penis is more sensitive than the circumcised one (rubbing against fabric all day long). You've done nothing but use analogy as the basis for fact, and it doesn't work. The pro…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 04:30 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. You're not going to get me to defend the church. =p It's an arguement, and we have sides. I don't assume you're argueing from any standpoint other than what you believe. My point is that a study is only as valid as the organization that funds it. The two listed sites are hardly impartial, and you have to take their studies findings with a grain of salt. Beyond that, the reasons you don't hear about more complications aren't because they are hiding them: it's because the incidence of occurance is…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 04:21 PM
-3	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Stop using analogy, we're talking facts and they are not subjective -- if you want to argue religion, I'm with you on the analogy. Politics? Sure. But we're talking documented medical facts here, and I don't mean to be offensive in saying that. You have two point you're trying to make, if I'm following: Something was cut, therefore it's diminished. You want to devalue the rates of infection/spread infection. To the first point: No. Unless you have sprouted a second penis that is circumsized, you…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 04:17 PM
-2	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. No, the reduced rates of infection are not the same as never washing yourself. You're parroting what you heard somewhere, and it is factually incorrect. Secondly, no. There are zero studies showing diminished sensitivity by any actual scientific/medial group. The ones out there are independantly funded, and they should be of zero value to anyone with half a brain. I am sure I can find you an independant study that shows uncircumsized males orgasm with less volume, make less money per year, and t…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 04:02 PM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. You have zero proof of "better pleasing a female", it's subjective and something totally and completely unarguable. And yes, it does have a valid medical premise. It's easily readable anywhere -- you cannot pretend it's not there by virtue of saying so and it's not just HIV, it's infection; both for you and your partner. You can label that however you'd like, but in medical terms the studies prove it's validity. edited - my last sentence was run on and tried to cram in too much	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 03:58 PM
-2	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Please try and tell me you're using SEXASNATUREINTENDED as valid medical studies. Read the disclaimers on the sites, friend. Next you should link to a Chruch run website on gay marriage and abortion, and cite their "research".	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 03:52 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Are you admitting you could be less sensitive as well? Seems to me you're talking as if you have the knowledge of both sides, and giving yourself the advantage -- something at least medically you do not have. In studies that I've read, and that are easily accessible via google if you'd like to educate yourself, there is no definable difference in sensitivity between an uncircumsized and circumsized penis.	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 03:49 PM
0	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Maybe you can tell the difference, maybe. Do you know the actual thickness of the skin we're talking about you feeling? Even if you do, you're going to note the girth of the penis before you notice and intact foreskin with your vagina. The majority of preference is in the head of the preferer though - but in my experience I've met far more women that were physically turned off by an uncircumsized penis then interested in them -- and a quick look at the porn industry, and the fact that uncircumsi…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 03:46 PM
-1	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Circumcision has been studied extensively, there is a valid medical foundation for doing it. This is NOT female circumcision, and NOT ideological genital mutilation, and while I understand the thought of the procedure is certainly less than settling, you guys really need to stop pretending it isn't rooted in valid, studied, and proven medical science. In terms of the thread title though, that is horrible --but these are called "outliers", and they exist as worst case scenarios for any medical pr…	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 03:38 PM
-2	One newborn screamed during his circumcision with such intensity that his stomach ruptured, requiring emergency surgery. Another developed heart failure and died. Still another died from a bleeding disorder. Except for the fact there there are uncircumsized males out there to compare, and they have no better function. I understand the thought of the practice is unsettling, but please stop pretending like it hasn't been studied ad nauseam and doesn't have a valid medical premise.	/r/MensRights	01/09/10 03:30 PM
1	Why circumcision should be abhorred Nevermind the literal dozens of studies by every reputable medical research facility in the known educated world showing the benefits of circumcision. Nevermind as parents using this EDUCATION to benefit your child..	/r/MensRights	19/08/10 08:26 PM
5	He is a husband so he must be guilty... I dont understand all the up in arms here.. statistically speaking it is the spouse quite often. The spouse is ALWAYS the first looked at. Am I reading the wrong article? Who cares what the comments say? We are talking about the article, right?	/r/MensRights	19/08/10 08:19 PM
6	Advice for a man whose wife may be trying to set him up with CP internet searches for a custody battle Disconnect internet service at home, or password protect access to the computer. Say it's a cost saving measure. It isn't a matter of proof, it's a matter of allegation.	/r/MensRights	19/08/10 08:16 PM
2	Yet another good father driven to suicide by the family court system. I still disagree with the notion that the concept of spousal support is the underlying problem -- and I've not seen any data that supports it as the main issue (not that many studies admittedly are done on this). In my opinion, the issue is that the state family laws (they are all set at the state level, via the state senate to my understanding) have always attempted to use a one size fits all approach -- and especially in family case matters that just seems to be a really bad idea. I think the …	/r/MensRights	29/07/10 09:20 PM
1	Yet another good father driven to suicide by the family court system. Yea, because I disagree with you and offer a coherent reason why I'm obviously only talking about women (even though I specificed fair to parties not genders), and an apologist. Allow me to forward you a third option: I am someone with a different set of experiences than you. I went after an educated woman that was my equal, and in that particular sub-set of couples you don't see a lot of this so I'm not a bitter, jaded prick. You know, like you. The system was well intentioned at design, and wa…	/r/MensRights	29/07/10 09:13 PM
1	Yet another good father driven to suicide by the family court system. I do understand that blanket statements don't cover the entirity of every possible situation -- and I sincerely am sorry for yours. Secondly, if the system wasn't designed as a free lunch, and was designed to protect both parties interests, things like this would be seen on a case by case level, instead of the current iteration of it where they slam a circle peg into every shape of hole but circle quite frequently. I still think, however, that the system is the problem, not the people who use it…	/r/MensRights	29/07/10 01:00 PM
1	Yet another good father driven to suicide by the family court system. This is a miserable, bitter, and bullshit answer. You aren't looking for justice, or equality -- you want revenge. While I understand it (My Dad was arrested on stupid deadbeat dad laws for being 4 days late on a payment to his ex, while married to my Mom and taking care of myself and my sister and working three jobs), and even empathize with it -- Know what? It was partially this position of "Fuck women" in the 50's and 60's that lead the system into the current state it's in today. A system th…	/r/MensRights	29/07/10 12:54 PM
4	Yet another good father driven to suicide by the family court system. Firstly, it's not just Father's that get sued. There are documented cases of both genders getting raked over the coals here -- obviously it's far tilted to the Father's side taking the brunt, but keep this in mind. The system is what is flawed, and it should be in place to protect -- not as a means of revenge to sustaining an effortless lifestyle. If both parties agreed one partner wasn't going to work, then something has to done for that partner when it's over. We're talking a more fair system,…	/r/MensRights	29/07/10 12:25 AM
5	Yet another good father driven to suicide by the family court system. I don't like reading these stories anymore than the next guy, and I have friends who have been raked over the coals pretty badly -- but what are the actually best way to change this? Abolish spousal support? There are situations where the wife and husband did agree she could stay at home, they split up, and now she has no marketable skills to live off of. I don't see this as any more/less fair than the current situation -- it just changes who becomes victimized by the split. Of course in the cas…	/r/MensRights	28/07/10 07:36 PM
2	A housewife is extremely valuable. Why is this not reflected in alimony settlements? I read it as an attempt at countering a direct argument by saying "Well, I know exceptions " -- thereby attempting to refute an arguement with a weak position having nothing to do with the original (a statement that alimony laws are currently unfair). Yes, I know what a strawman is. Thank you for asking! Do you know what "extrapolating" means?	/r/MensRights	26/07/10 12:24 AM
1	A housewife is extremely valuable. Why is this not reflected in alimony settlements? This is a strawman arguement though. Because had your Father, and in turn your girlfriend's ex, made NO money, they still would've been required to pay. The problem is the system, not the people who do, or do not, choose to exploit it.	/r/MensRights	25/07/10 10:03 PM
2	I'm as against censorship as the next guy, but if you honestly believe that "men can't be raped" you have no business in r/mensrights. Can we please ban these trolls? I'm not clear on how this explains my initial question about logistics -- I mean, given that the erection is required, how does a guy have non-consenual sex with a woman? Or, better worded, how is a guy forced to have non-consenual sex?	/r/MensRights	23/07/10 01:34 PM
0	I'm as against censorship as the next guy, but if you honestly believe that "men can't be raped" you have no business in r/mensrights. Can we please ban these trolls? How it's possible, for starters. Then why, given the statistically insignificant prevalence of the actual occurance why some of the posts here are literally making this sound like it's happening with some alarming regularlity. Don't get me wrong, there are amazons and there are smaller guys, and I could understand the sexual assault (for instance: if he was incapacitated and something was shoved in his ass), but in terms of vaginal penetration I am REALLY not able to see the logistics of this. I…	/r/MensRights	23/07/10 04:18 AM
1	I'm as against censorship as the next guy, but if you honestly believe that "men can't be raped" you have no business in r/mensrights. Can we please ban these trolls? Yes, and the problem is that people like you spend their time judging which is which by some self-proclaimed ability to do so. Lighten up.	/r/MensRights	23/07/10 12:23 AM
-2	I'm as against censorship as the next guy, but if you honestly believe that "men can't be raped" you have no business in r/mensrights. Can we please ban these trolls? So you're against censorship, yet want people who you don't agree with banned? I'm sorry, but I have a REAL tough time understanding the logistics of male rape. I know you're against censorship and all, and obviously since I don't understand male rape I'm a troll, but there you have it.	/r/MensRights	22/07/10 06:39 PM