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DiscussionH3r34TheM3m3s/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 02:15 PM
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Your observation about a girl’s parent’s reaction is quite keen. It makes me remember the story my pastor tells of the first time his wife’s father saw him. He rolled up on a motorcycle outside his house and her dad said the equivalent of “That guy? No way you’re dating him.” Two years later they got married before he went off to bible college, and now it’s been 40-ish years.
/r/RPChristians11/04/21 04:32 AM
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Very true, and I’ll go a step further to say I think you should expose your children to as much risk as they can handle while they are still in a controlled environment. OP’s daughter will eventually have to get out into the unsheltered world, and it can be an ugly place. If she is totally unprepared for what Satan has to throw at her she is going to have a rough go of it. I don’t have children, but my sincere hope for my daughter would be that she has been raised into enough of a Godly and comp…
/r/RPChristians07/04/21 01:09 AM
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Additionally, the OT also gives the advice that multiple wives is probably a bad idea—just take a look at Ecclesiastes.
/r/RPChristians24/03/21 03:16 PM
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Your answer seems a bit harsh man. Was there really cause to bite his head off? It seems like OP gave the reasoning for where what may have been acceptable in the Old testament (although I think it’s still debatable) is definitely not in the new: 1 Cor 7. I’ll add Ephesians 5 which lays out guidelines for a marriage between 1 man and 1 woman using singular language. Also 1 Timothy 2, where paul lists qualifications for elders and deacons. Now you can say that those are not commands to everyone, …
/r/RPChristians24/03/21 12:16 AM
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I’ll admit off the bat that most people don’t do bodyweight fitness right However plenty of guys who do calisthenics right are jacked and it can be easier on your body in some ways. It’s just a different style. [r/bodyweightfitness](www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness) is a great resource for those interested.
/r/RPChristians07/03/21 10:03 PM
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I’m still waiting to get my copy of 12 more rules, so I’ll reserve judgement until then, but honestly I think 12 rules was the kind of advice my generation needs desperately. Although it might seem “old fashioned,” that book did so much more good for me than reading the entire TRP sidebar. It’s more like ancient wisdom distilled into modern form if you ask me.
/r/MGTOW206/03/21 09:07 AM
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I disagree. I think that meaning is what matters in life. There’s very little meaning found in happiness. Chasing happiness is like a cat chasing a laser—you can’t pin it down. If you don’t believe me look up hedonic adaptation. It’s psychology. Human nature, if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:05 PM
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Why is that? The irony should be apparent in your first sentence. Died happier? I don’t think it matters to either man any more. They both ended up the same in the end: dead. If personal happiness is the top of your value hierarchy, well...I am truly sorry my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 08:37 AM
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I mean, there’s a pretty wide gulf between stalkerish, is-he-seeing-other-girls crazy, and committing arson crazy. Idk if that’s one anybody would really be prepared for.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/20 02:21 PM
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Just as an interesting comment, you shouldn’t take anything as gospel, no matter who it comes from. Think for yourself. No document, no guide, and certainly not one as large as the sidebar, can be perfect. And what’s right for someone else might not be right for you for a variety of reasons. Think for yourself.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/20 07:14 PM
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Look, you’re entitled to your opinions, but I don’t enjoy being misrepresented and your general tone of condescension, so let me set a thing or two straight. I’m not calling everyone, or anyone specifically, a narcissist. But what I am saying is that viewing everything through the lens of “what can this do for me” is pretty much the definition of selfishness, and I would call it borderline narcissism. And saying “that’s just real life” doesn’t make that any less true. If that’s your worldview fi…
/r/TheRedPill15/07/20 03:42 PM
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And...you don’t believe that? On what basis ought we to offer some people more opportunities/different rights?
/r/TheRedPill14/07/20 01:41 AM
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It seems not quite right to me to think of marriage as a modern idea and toss it out. Perhaps corrupted by modern ideas, but marriage has been around...well a lot longer than any state still in existence today. Was it OK back when marriage was a social/religious institution instead of a political one? Or if we go back to Theocracies where “The state” was the religion...it all just seems a bit too complicated to be summed up as succinctly as “Marriage is bad don’t do it.” But that’s the general a…
/r/TheRedPill14/07/20 01:40 AM
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What exactly do you mean by “egalitarian world view”. I don’t want to misinterpret you, because the dictionary definition of that term is different from how it’s often used...I’m OK with the former but not the later.
/r/TheRedPill14/07/20 01:32 AM
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Alright, that is a different situation, but not a very usual one, so it’s difficult to compare. Statistically children born out of wedlock are worse off, but I have no idea what it would be like if the parents are not legally married but act as though they are, although the chance for separation does seem higher in that instance. I am curious though, what’s your opinion about religious weddings then? If the state isn’t involved are they fine in your opinion? I suppose the thing to really get at …
/r/TheRedPill14/07/20 01:27 AM
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Equating the value of a human being to what benefit they provide to you is totally narcissism. That frames the way you view everyone else as “what can they do for me?” It’s a totally self-centered way to view the world...what else would you call it? That’s not having standards. I’ve got no problem with having standards. Obviously you need standards, you should probably have high ones. My problem is this view of a relationship like a zero sum game, which doesn’t have to be the case, and worse wit…
/r/TheRedPill14/07/20 01:17 AM
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Yeah, my bad man...weird idk how it got mixed up. Thanks for catching it!
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 05:29 PM
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It isn’t narcissistic when you have been at the receiving end of it. What? That’s completely illogical. Justifying your narcissism doesn’t change what it is. Imagine this argument applied to another concept: “It’s not hatred/abuse/sociopathy if you’ve been on the receiving end of it.” It doesn’t make sense. Maybe you have a good justification for your narcissism, but you should at least think critically about it. The fact that you defend it is also telling in my opinion. ...but is that relevant …
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 05:24 PM
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It isn’t narcissistic when you have been at the receiving end of it. What? Justifying your narcissism doesn’t change what it is. Just imagine this argument applied to other concepts: “It isn’t abuse/hatred/sociopathy if you have been at the receiving end of it” Logically that makes no sense. Maybe you have good justification, but it doesn’t change what that is. The fact you continue defending it is also telling. Again, not trying to attack you, but you should think critically about your own idea…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 05:18 PM
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That’s the best joke I’ve heard all day. You’re joking, right?
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 04:47 AM
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I don’t agree that love comes and goes. Infatuation comes and goes. Lust comes and goes. Passion comes and goes. Love persists. The problem is english only has one word for love, and it gets thrown around so much nobody really knows what anyone means when they say it. The Greeks had like six words that we translate as love, and one of them specifically described the love of an old married couple. That love doesn’t appear over night, it’s built over many years. You said marriage is like a busines…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 04:45 AM
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Dude exact same boat. I want to be a father. Having children out of wedlock is a bad idea, period. The one thing I consistently see here that is totally contrary to my lived experience is the idea that marriage is evil, and if you get married you’re throwing your life away. I know too many people who have been married for longer than the people saying that have been alive. They have great lives and relationships. It does not square at all. The best I can come up with is don’t trust everything on…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 04:33 AM
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My dude, Yiannopoulos is a “practicing Catholic” and the nail in his coffin was that he didn’t denounce child rape to the proper degree (although certainly his role as a self described provocateur and alignment with ethno-nationalists didn’t help). What are you on about him being a Conservative Jew banned for speaking the truth He’s not even a reformed Jew, and his relationship with the truth was...rocky.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 04:17 AM
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That sounds a bit cynical. Dismiss me as naïve if you want, but the statement: Without any of [what they can provide for me], what is a human worth? Is a pretty narcissistic way to look at the world. As if people don’t have value beyond what they can give you? As if there is not value in giving to others? As if you know for certain everything a person has to offer? Ironically, someone possessed by this narcissism would inherently presume everyone else thinks the same way. But that’s circular log…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/20 04:00 AM
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I think I get what you’re going for here, the edit made it a bit more clear, but those first couple sentences are still hella confusing. It feels like you wrote two paragraphs and then just plucked those sentences from the middle of them and I’m missing all context for the statements.
/r/TheRedPill12/07/20 07:03 PM
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Got any advice on where to look for the “TRP v 2.0 Advice”? I’m 18 and about to head out-of-state to college. Am I still out in front of this change you see, or right in the middle of it?
/r/TheRedPill12/07/20 03:41 AM
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His lack of ethics and leadership Bingo! I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’m a traditional conservative do not like Trump for this reason. He’s not the man I want as the leader of the free world.
/r/TheRedPill12/07/20 03:36 AM
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Thanks for the explanation man. I definitely agree TRP is useful but it isn’t gospel. I also don’t like with the dismissal of LTR’s, marriage, and families. Being a father is a part of my long term life goal. If you know developmental psychology it’s clearly optimal for children to have two parents present with a healthy relationship. Obviously some people agree with us, hence the existence of MRP and RPChristian. Still the general attitude seems towards staying a forever bachelor. Maybe it’s ju…
/r/TheRedPill20/06/20 08:05 PM
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I’m one of the new generation, half your age, so I comparative don’t know shit, but here’s an idea tell me what you think. Maybe it’s just sort of a developmental stage, of course fueled by the hormones of youth. But like is it possible that passing through such a stage could be good for the long term, as long as you do get through it not stuck there, as opposed to circumventing it entirely? It seems to me there’s this pattern of: - work on yourself to try and get pussy - eventually get pussy - …
/r/TheRedPill19/06/20 07:23 PM
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I don’t think it’s well phrased, but it’s not ridiculous. Maybe try this: Discipline = Freedom It’s a simple phrase but it could change your life. Look up Jocko Willink.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/20 12:26 AM
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I don’t think that’s entirely fair. I’m angry at a society that has been lying to me since the moment I was born. I mean sure I’m a loser but I’m not really angry about that, I can change that. I began taking responsibility before I found this sub, and my motivations for it are a lot stronger than being about women. I have plenty of potential, and a moral responsibility to achieve it. What I can’t do is go back in time and stop my own indoctrination into the belief in a fairytale fantasy idea of…
/r/TheRedPill20/05/20 12:22 AM
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I think you’re exactly right. God has not changed, but the way he deals with people has. As he promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant...I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares…
/r/RPChristians18/04/20 04:09 PM
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Very true, some of the people I can have the deepest conversations with are a couple of my close female friends—everything is platonic between us and I honestly wouldn’t want it any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:48 PM
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Believe me I read all that in the sidebar, but thank you for parroting the ideology back to me. For anyone else, this comment is the kind of thing I am concerned about. This is what an ideologue speaks like in my experience, and it is not good for any community aiming at rationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:19 PM
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It depends on the rights in question. If we’re talking real rights, like the right to vote, then you’re correct. But if we’re talking about the “right to not be offended,” I would say that it’s about on the same level as someone claiming men have a “right to sex.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:16 PM
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Have you read the entirety of the sidebar? I don’t ask this to be critical, I just ask because this is my main exposure to the Red Pill community, and I found very little to nothing there about tips for improving fitness or nutrition, but lots of, at the least, ideologically charged ideas. It seemed like not a bad start for what you might call a “red pill bible.” Maybe the community disregards most of this and focussed more on the aspects you mentioned, but if that is the case I would recommend …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 08:46 PM
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Those are some scary questions my friend. I’m not sure I should even try to answer, but I’ll give it a shot. Question 1 seems to be somewhat self-referential: is your caring not the whim of an individual? To such a looping question one can only decide that the thoughts of individuals matter or they do not, but if they do not then what good is the question anyway? There are two answers to question 2. One deals with ethics and morality, but if we do not agree on a foundation of ethics it is a moot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 08:41 PM
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Yet if the red pill is a reaction to feminism, would that not make the two inexorably linked? I don’t spend a lot of time in the feminist or red pill communities, so while what you are saying about feminists shouting each other down seems true from outside, I don’t have insider knowledge of either community, so I appreciate your insight into TRP side of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:54 PM
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In response to the question of individual vs. society, I suppose it is just a different philosophy. I think a good example is the soviet union. In the Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn makes a compelling case that it was the weakening of the individual—a willingness to lie and allow society to degrade that allowed the communists to take over and resulted in the death and imprisonment in the gulags of tens of millions of people. I am inclined to believe that the individual is the locus of change—so…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:48 PM
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Well then TRP hasn’t read very much psychological literature. Nature and nurture both matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:32 PM
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Well perhaps we should take it seriously. If a lot of downtrodden women aren’t food for society, a lot of angry, young, and sexually frustrated men probably aren’t either. One issue is that people too often distort the facts, or ignore all the inconvenient ones—it’s human nature. The problem is it makes for very bad policy making.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:29 PM
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It’s as if you didn’t read my post... I’m quite clearly against painting groups of people with a wide brush stroke. I’m sure a feminist would say the same things about their movement, left wing as it may be. This is the internet and diversity of ideas is all that matters, of which your claims demonstrate none. I’m not sure what you are hoping to convince me of really
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:25 PM
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My point was of a more philosophical nature, but if you’re not interested in engaging with that it’s fine. Best of luck to you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:21 PM
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All it takes is a brain and a pair of eyes to reject the lies of radical feminism. It seems to me like there was a bit more to TRP doctrine, but I suppose I can just move on with my life if that’s the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:17 PM
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Well in case I didn’t make it clear, I’m not on either “side” here. I do wish you hadn’t left out the parts of my statement where I qualified it because I did qualify it. You would be correct in assuming that I do not follow the feminist agenda closely, and while I hear people like you say they disagree with the radicals, culture still seems to be swinging in a dangerous polarization farther to the right and left on either side, which suggests to me that moderates are doing a poor job of standin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 05:14 PM
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Almost undoubtedly the extremists do not represent the true voice of a group. The problem is they are often the loudest, and so it takes a lot of initiative for the group to come out and say “we don’t really see things in such an extreme way”. I was hoping I would get some of that here. It’s having mixed results.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:50 PM
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In my opinion anyone who says it is “pointless to treat [another human being] as an individual” is the brainwashed one. That’s exactly what feminism teaches women to think about men. Congratulations, this seems appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:48 PM
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Could you explain that a little more please? Perhaps it’s just that I’m new and don’t understand the context for what you’re trying to say properly, but I’m not sure what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:44 PM
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Thank you for your useful and considerate reply. This is why my criteria for dating women irl is that they know how to use “are” when referring to plural subjects.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:42 PM
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And if that was all their sidebar said, I really wouldn’t have any problems. The thing is it’s so full on ideological language I couldn’t help being reminded of feminist writings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:40 PM
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What about how the micro affects the macro? I think you’re fundamentally wrong that society wide issues cannot be addressed at the individual level. To me that is a cornerstone of western civilization, and to suggest that the only way to change society is by all-powerful fiat sounds awfully authoritarian. History is full of individuals who changed society—they are the heroes so many idolize. An a separate note, if TRP is about getting laid and appealing to the most women, which is clearly the be…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:37 PM
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So can we find some value in both if we remove the animosity-inciting rhetoric? Or is it too deeply set into the movements?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:32 PM
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That’s an interesting way to put it. Coming from a very “TradCon” family myself it all seems a bit crazy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:31 PM
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I wasn’t trying to say men and women are polar opposites, science is really clear about this, as I said. It’s great that many feminists agree (gender abolitionists aside—that’s a ridiculous idea). What I can’t comprehend is why they insist on treating men as a group and all the same. My point was TRP seems to do this to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:30 PM
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It really seems to be a strange alliance between Neo-Marxists who view life as a power struggle between the rich and poor, and feminists, who incorporated the idea into simply oppressor vs oppressed, with men as the chief oppressors.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:23 PM
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Care to elaborate? I feel like I detailed pretty well how the ideas are similar: they use gender groups to categorize people instead of viewing them as individuals. How do you see it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:19 PM
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A Feminist would probably tell you they seek no harm to men, and they goal is “women’s empowerment”, the sam way TRP advocates men to take back the power in their relationships. In my view actions and their consequences are more important than intent. Therefore both movements are likely guilty of harming both genders because they create an “us versus them” mentality at the core where people suddenly want to treat half the population of the planet like an opposing group rather than fellow human b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:16 PM
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Interesting perspective. I would say that perhaps female feminists are also angry about what men won’t give to them also (i.e. the right to vote, equal pay, equal respect, whatever)—not a terrible way of pointing out how similar the two concepts are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:12 PM
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I am similarly appalled by the general denigration of LTR’s I read in the redpill sidebar. Intimate relationships are a cornerstone of psychological health as far as I can tell. This is certainly one of my biggest doubting points of the ideology. However I must say someone could make nearly the same claims about Feminism, i.e. that it is an ideology used to brainwash women into thinking men oppress them. I recognize not all feminists are like this—they are individuals and have their own beliefs.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 04:09 PM
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A very astute point. Which is why I was trying to talk about the sidebar literature, the foundation that those accepting TRP ideas have a general consensus on. Feminism is obviously larger and harder to pin down so I may have generalized more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:58 PM
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So what is the goal of the villification of women done by TRP? Why not treat every person as an individual instead of the “AWALT” attitude? Obviously patterns are important but the extent to which it is taken in the literature of TRP sidebar is the language of politics and ideology, not rationality. edit: a word
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:55 PM
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My point was really that they have a very scary agreement on the philosophical ground that we should not treat people as individuals, but rather as members of their gender groups. That seems pretty similar to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:51 PM
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I understand this about feminism thank you, which is why I despise those aspects of it. Sure TRP is smaller and less developed, but some people there certainly do seem to treat it like an ideology. Moreover you didn’t seem to address my point that a large flaw in both movements is that they treat all members of the “other group” as just that: an indistinguishable group rather than individuals. Unless you’d like to address that, I don’t think you can call it a “false equivalence” you haven’t poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 03:50 PM
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