HCEandALP4ever Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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7	Thoughts on Circumcision (mgm) Regarding the decreased sensitivity: it's not just that a lot of sensitive tissue is removed. It's also that the foreskin covers the head of the penis, helping it retain its sensitivity. If the foreskin is removed, the head is exposed to, for example, daily rubbing against underwear. Over time, this reduces the sensitivity in the head itself. (That's why the heads of circumcised penises have a somewhat rougher appearance than the smooth skin of a penis head protected by foreskin.) There's one ot…	/r/MensRights	05/09/21 02:51 AM
2	Thoughts on Circumcision (mgm) Me too.	/r/MensRights	05/09/21 01:42 AM
27	My family's response to the Men's Day infographic. How would you guys have responded to them? Yes, there are two fundamental points here. One: are mothers the more important parent? But also this: what about the people who don't have kids? What are the stats on that? If those are skewed, then the "mothers are more important than fathers" argument doesn't apply.	/r/MensRights	20/11/20 08:18 PM
1	My family's response to the Men's Day infographic. How would you guys have responded to them? when someone gives information which is true, and that has real life consequences, i think one should take it into account. And not dismiss it. I agree with this. It's important to be able to say to a debating opponent "you're right about this part". You can then say "but here are all the things you're wrong about, and here's why". It's good faith debating. But -- and this is a big but -- your opponent might be arguing in bad faith. (That's the case in many of these debates/arguments.) If so, th…	/r/MensRights	20/11/20 08:13 PM
2	International men’s day today! What it can offer us is a diagnosis. Why don't men get equal custody of their children? Because under a patriarchal structure men are expected to provide and care for women by going out to work, while women are expected to be housewives. That's a feminist interpretation, anyway. I’ll just address this point. If that’s the feminist interpretation, then the feminist interpretation is wrong. No woman is required to fight for custody. That’s so obvious — to contend it’s the truth, someone would have…	/r/MensRights	19/11/20 06:06 AM
7	This needs to be changed in society no matter who or where you are You're taking a lot of heat in this thread! I'm glad you're here though. I appreciate your comments and I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I think you've put your finger on a big problem here: Extreme feminists might be a minority, but they are loud. That's how they wield influence. And right now, the only ones arguing loudly against them are almost all men. The majority of feminists — the reasonable ones interested only in equality — these feminists remain silent. That's a problem. They …	/r/MensRights	08/11/20 09:53 AM
3	After a 20 year cover-up, the BBC finally acknowledges how false rape accusations cause suicides (crossposted to egalitarianism) If we're going to compare the two, remember that if you're in prison it's highly likely that you yourself will be raped -- repeatedly. So a false accusation that results in a prison sentence delivers to that person all the horrible consequences of false accusations already mentioned in this thread, plus the likelihood of being repeatedly raped yourself.	/r/MensRights	11/09/20 06:32 PM
1	Finally. I have yet to see a single woman praise a young girl for sleeping with a male teacher I'm sorry if I was unclear. I meant women making comments about female teachers raping boys. I'm not saying women never say that, but I have yet to see it myself and I have been online for a longg time. I meant offline.	/r/MensRights	04/07/20 04:12 AM
1	Finally. I’ve heard many more women than men say such things. To return your question, then, what are your thoughts on these women who make these types of comments?	/r/MensRights	03/07/20 03:24 PM
1	Finally. Feminists themselves claim they’re the ones who fight for men’s issues. In fact, they often use that to argue that a men’s movement isn’t necessary; feminism will take care of men’s issues.	/r/MensRights	03/07/20 03:19 PM
0	Finally. The representatives of feminists have attracted many misandrists and young people to make them believe that somehow they are the only ones facing issues. This causes the good feminists to be silenced. Why? Good feminists can speak up just as loudly. Indeed, we’re often told the vast majority of feminists are the good ones. If that’s true, then good feminists have an even louder voice. They should have no problem shouting down the bad ones. But they don’t. “The only thing necessary for the triump…	/r/MensRights	03/07/20 03:12 PM
2	This is important. Hey, u/miss_chaos, I'm a bit late to the party, so I'm not sure how you're feeling about how you've been treated here. I just wanted to say that for my part, I think you're doing fine. I'm glad you're here, and thank you for your contributions.	/r/MensRights	22/06/20 07:00 AM
1	Maybe ask why they feel the need to sleep instead of ridiculing them right off the bat? Moreover, when a loved one makes a mild joke about you, it's obvious it's a mild joke and they still love and respect you because you know them. You have a long history of mutual love, respect, and trust. And you have all the signals of tone of voice, facial expression, and body language. The same joke online, however, is devoid of all that context. Therefore it's much harder to determine how mild it really is.	/r/MensRights	22/06/20 06:45 AM
5	Anti men subreddit, r/blackpillfeminism, has been banned "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the process of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." —Justice Louis Brandeis I still believe that. Brandeis wrote that almost 100 years ago, and it's still true.	/r/MensRights	22/06/20 06:13 AM
3	Happy men’s health month! Thank you -- good reminder!	/r/MensRights	01/06/20 05:27 PM
7	Ran into one myself the other day Some excellent points here. Also there's this: it's not only women at home who lose their men to war. Men at home also lose their brothers, fathers, sons, etc.	/r/MensRights	31/05/20 11:09 PM
1	Dear "feminists" Oh, yes. I see. My mistake; thanks for clarifying.	/r/MensRights	15/05/20 11:23 PM
1	Dear "feminists" The man spreading thing is just ignorant on there part, I’m sure having something between your legs all the time would make you have them spread a bit more. I’m sorry, I just have to comment on this bit. Do you really think it’s because feminists are ignorant? Feminists literally don’t know that men have testicles? (Actually another reason is that the structure of men’s pelvic bones is somewhat different. The angle at which the leg bones attach is narrower than it is for women. This means it’s u…	/r/MensRights	15/05/20 02:42 PM
1	The similarities in MRA and feminism Agreed.	/r/MensRights	04/05/20 02:38 PM
1	The similarities in MRA and feminism Yes, it does count. I for one am glad you’re here and I believe you’re genuinely trying to have a good faith conversation. For the record, I’ve upvoted many of your posts as I do see them as adding to the discussion.	/r/MensRights	04/05/20 02:37 PM
1	I often find that people, both men and women, want to be considered victims, and this is where a lot of the controversy between feminism and men’s rights comes from. And earlier we were talking about "men as a group, not kings and queens", but you apparently didn't like that argument. Just highlighting this part, because I think it got lost in the ensuing posts. It's crucial, and I don't think u/users84 adequately addressed it.	/r/MensRights	03/04/20 03:46 PM
1	I often find that people, both men and women, want to be considered victims, and this is where a lot of the controversy between feminism and men’s rights comes from. Not necessarily true. Feminism could be about female supremacy and men's rights could be about equality, standing as a resistance to female supremacy.	/r/MensRights	03/04/20 03:28 PM
8	A tweet outlining feminist dishonesty. Male genital integrity. That's bodily autonomy right there. Sure, a tiny tiny, tiny percentage of men might make up the majority of those in power. But feminists have a loud voice in today's society. When feminists organize, what they say makes the news. Often our society and politicians listen. However, when it comes to male bodily autonomy, feminists are largely silent.	/r/MensRights	02/04/20 07:12 PM
2	Every conversation about male rape victims I don't think it's stupid at all. I agree with you that every man should stand up and denounce male rapists. But eliminating male rape by denouncing rapists is not a realistic goal. Preventing further damage from Koss's work is a realistic goal. What do I mean by damage from Koss's work? Her work has clear biases that define the rape of men out of existence. This has real-world consequences: her conclusions are widely accepted (without examining her methods). Statistics are gathered that follow …	/r/MensRights	27/03/20 05:27 PM
2	Every conversation about male rape victims You know, multitasking is a thing. We can help men and blame those who deserve blame. So, who deserves blame for it not being called rape? Women? No. Feminists? Yes. I blame Mary Koss. More important, I blame every feminist who does not stand up and loudly denounce Koss. Blaming these feminists can actually help male victims of female rapists. It might make them stand up and make their voices heard. If enough do that, we might see change.	/r/MensRights	27/03/20 04:06 AM
1	Trivializing Rape Based on Gender You’re very welcome. You deserve validation. And respect. And support for continuing. Keep going!	/r/MensRights	22/03/20 04:03 PM
1	A pice of shit journalist made fun of a guy proposing to his wife at KFC and it backfired. “SA men are so broke they even proposed at KFC...they have absolutely no class. I mean who proposes at KFC” How wonderfully this turned out for the couple though! It's really heartwarming how supportive people and companies have been.	/r/MensRights	20/03/20 01:26 AM
9	Rebuttal to “man flu.” Moreover, let's consider this in light of current popular thought. The women who belittle men for their "weakness" are blatantly enforcing traditional the gender roles they say they want to get rid of. Insisting "yes, we want men to be vulnerable. They shouldn't feel they have to conform to the image of the big, strong, stoic man." Then, when a man is vulnerable, suddenly they're ridiculed as weak, as infantile.	/r/MensRights	20/03/20 12:54 AM
6	How open are you about your opinions on feminism and men's rights with the women in your life? As a woman who despise feminism and acknowledge the advantages women have in our society, I'm very vocal about my opinions on the matter. (italics mine) That's the key right there. Generally when a man bring this up, it goes very badly. When a woman does, it at least stands a chance of going well. I try to be open, but honesly, we need more women in the MRA movement to speak up. Thank you for being one of them!	/r/MensRights	17/03/20 01:48 AM
1	Trivializing Rape Based on Gender I see what you mean. But should the restitution aspect change depending on what the female victim decides to do re for example abortion?	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 10:02 PM
3	Trivializing Rape Based on Gender There have been cases, however, where a female rapes a male, she (the rapist) gets pregnant, and then later successfully sues the male victim for child support. Often when the victim himself is still an adolescent.	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 09:35 PM
3	Trivializing Rape Based on Gender What a horrible ordeal you've lived through. I'm deeply sorry to hear it. And also, bravo, man, just for surviving, not to mention being in therapy, being 6 months sober, and working so hard to get past this. That takes a huge amount of courage and strength. My best wishes to you in continuing on your path.	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 09:32 PM
4	"WHAT THE FUCK IS MENS RIGHTS" How did she react? How did the conversation go from there?	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 09:24 PM
3	Gamergate\| FACTUAL FEMINIST Ah, CHS. Very reasonable. Don't hear enough from her these days.	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 01:38 PM
2	“No man ever gets murdered because they are a man...” That's interesting. It certainly might be different in other countries. I'm in the USA, I'm a man, plus I've been told I look like a tough guy; I guess I look somewhat intimidating. If anyone should feel confident and safe, it's me. But I am like u/Zukoi: I'm always aware of my surroundings and at least a little nervous at night.	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 01:35 PM
10	“No man ever gets murdered because they are a man...” But she wouldn't even accept comparisons to women or blacks as valid. Those are not priveleged groups; men are. Therefore in her mind, no such comparisons are valid at all. This is a neat trick they often use to avoid the obvious.	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 01:28 PM
1	Feminist ideology is fundamentally flawed and cannot help men. That is why we need a men's rights movement. I see this too, and you're right. It is infuriating.	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 03:43 PM
1	Feminist ideology is fundamentally flawed and cannot help men. That is why we need a men's rights movement. I'm glad you quoted this passage. I read the book several years ago, at the suggestion of a feminist friend of mine, and this is the section that struck me as well, and for exactly the same reasons. Actually, my friend also said bell hooks is one of the good ones. After reading it and several of her other books, I have to say, I'm not impressed. (One other tangential note. This friend and I often get into quite heated arguments about feminism. But our very close friendship predates her interest …	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 03:39 PM
1	Is this sub supportive of feminism? Yes, I think you're right about that. I posted this elsewhere, but it seems relevant here too: If you are male and you don't register, here's what you give up: Eligibility for federal student financial aid Loans or grant program (including Federal Pell Grants, Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants (FSEOG), Direct Stafford Loans/Plus Loans, National Direct Student Loans, and College Work Study) State-funded student financial aid in many states Most federal employment, including jobs…	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 03:09 PM
3	Is this sub supportive of feminism? It’s not just that you’re denied public aid for college if you don’t register. It’s also a felony.	/r/MensRights	10/03/20 04:22 PM
1	Genital mutilation only happens to females according to Google But above, you said Fight a winnable fight. I don't understand. Is it winnable or not?	/r/MensRights	09/03/20 11:28 AM
6	Happy Women’s day, women of men’s rights! “Corona virus elbow-bumps” all round!	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 10:48 PM
1	Drunk Student Who Falsely Accused Taxi Driver Of Rape Sentenced To Prison By the way, I've come up with a great counter to their bullshit and I can't wait to see them try and claim false accusations are rare so I can use it. Rape is a rare crime, so maybe we should ignore that, watch them freak the fuck out over that sort of comment and completely ignore their own hypocrisy. I’d dearly love to see that work. My guess, though, is that they’d whip out the “1 in 4” thing. Then you’d be trapped in a spin-off argument about that.	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 10:46 PM
2	Genital mutilation only happens to females according to Google That’s a lot to fight, certainly. Do you think it’s worth it? I’ll clarify my question: do you think it’s extremely important issue but tragically unwinnable? or is it simply not that important? or something else?	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 09:04 PM
6	Genital mutilation only happens to females according to Google Why don’t you think this is winnable?	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 08:03 PM
5	Genital mutilation only happens to females according to Google Which is why we make so much noise about it. To get people to care.	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 07:56 PM
5	Genital mutilation only happens to females according to Google Then why don’t people care? People are waking up to false rape accusations. People are waking up to bad divorces and women fucking over the men in divorces but no one cares about male circumcision. They should. People not caring is not an indicator that it’s not a huge problem.	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 06:55 PM
1	Feminist Letter To This Subreddit In General I’m sorry - tone is hard to tell in text. I really didn’t mean that to be petty or argumentative in a bad way, and I can see how it might have seemed that way. I apologize. All I was trying to do was point out that (a) we tend to be much more accepting of a woman yelling, and (b) I actually think yelling is ok. It may not be the most productive thing to do, but it’s literally expressing the emotion anger. If you calmly say “I’m angry, and here’s why”, you’re not expressing or showing your emotio…	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 04:27 PM
1	Feminist Letter To This Subreddit In General So it’s unacceptable for a woman to yell, right?	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 12:57 PM
1	Feminist Letter To This Subreddit In General First of all, I'll add my welcome to the others. I'm glad you posted here! Second, I just want to address one thing for now: several times you've said it's ok for men to cry, to show emotion. I've heard this many times before from women. Some of them might even mean it. But many women say it's ok for men to show emotion -- yet when a man does open up, is vulnerable, and does cry, the woman really doesn't like it. In some cases (and I've experienced this) they simply can't handle it. The man open…	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 03:05 AM
1	Campus Due Process Denied \| Great support/awareness raising by the Independent Women's Forum Even this graphic shows a bias, as well intended as it may be. Look at #8. Hundreds Of biased disciplinary committees have expelled or denied degrees to students on the basis of tenuous “he said-she-said” claims without allowing the accused a chance to prove his (or her) innocence. (Italics mine) Why should the accused have to prove his or her innocence? “Innocent until proven guilty”. Yes, I know many will jump on that and say that only applies to the law; it doesn’t apply here. The fact is, “i…	/r/MensRights	29/01/20 12:44 PM
2	I am so done Yes. It’s an important point: when debating someone, remember you’re trying to convince the audience, not your opponent. Your opponent is not likely to change their mind.	/r/MensRights	01/01/20 06:33 PM
1	Why are all mass shootings men?(17m) This is absolutely true, and an excellent point. It's certainly true about suicide: for many potentially suicidal people suffering from depression, it's precisely when they just begin to get a bit better that they're most at risk. Only one thing (and you probably already know this, but just to highlight the point): not all SSRIs work for everyone. For any given person, it can sometimes take a while to find one that works well.	/r/MensRights	18/08/19 12:38 AM
6	Just who does Gillette think men are? For years now I've shaved with old-fashioned double edge safety razors. There's a bit of a learning curve but the shave is vastly better than with any of the modern multi-blade cartridges. Also much cheaper than modern cartridges: I think a year's supply of high-quality blades cost me about $30 USD. Plus, they're better for the environment: no plastic as with the disposable cartridges - metal blades are recyclable. If you want to try it, the good folks at badgerandblade.com forums are your frien…	/r/MensRights	17/08/19 06:39 PM
1	I searched Amazon book section for Men’s Rights an got The Rights of Man by Thomas Paine. We need a different revolution True. Incredibly important book by an incredibly important thinker.	/r/MensRights	15/08/19 11:45 PM
1	Is Conscription a valid argument regarding discrimination against men? I posted this elsewhere, but it seems relevant here too: I've found that when arguing with feminists about the unfairness of the draft (registering for Selective Service), it's a problem if I only mention men having to buy our vote by agreeing to fight in wars. That usually gets one of several responses: "Come on, when was the last draft? It's a meaningless thing you have to sign." or "But women have never been allowed to fight, so really, this is misogyny, not misandry." or "Who made that law? …	/r/MensRights	28/11/18 09:40 PM
1	On r/askfeminists. It's ok for women to say they hate men because women aren't violent Here's a problem: And before you say it, it's a little different than men saying they hate women, because those men often want to hurt us or kill us, or actually do it. (Emphasis mine) The writer is assuming the two sets of men are the same. Plenty of men vent, saying something like "God, I hate women". Very few men hurt or kill women. I wouldn't even say violent men are a small subset of those who say they hate women: those who are violent might be in fact be an entirely different set of men; t…	/r/MensRights	26/11/18 03:55 PM
4	"Meta-Harassment" With sex we're supposed to get positive consent. This is much lower stakes than sex, so shouldn't it be seen as someone being extra considerate and careful?	/r/MensRights	26/11/18 03:41 PM
2	Do women have a hard time empathizing with men and boys? That's the way it was explained to me too. But then I heard what I think is an even better definition of empathy. Empathy is not knowing how you'd feel walking in their shoes. It's understanding how they feel walking in their shoes.	/r/MensRights	16/11/18 04:13 PM
3	They kept hooking up after they broke up. When her friends found out, she accused him of rape. This is really distressing. Not only for the obvious reasons, but because it's the University of Chicago. Some years ago when so many American universities were going nuts with speech codes, trigger warnings, etc., U of C was the one place that took a strong, clear stand against all that. FIRE (The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, and they really do good work) has a lot about them. Look up "The Chicago Principles".	/r/MensRights	16/11/18 03:36 PM
2	Why do authority figures and emergency services look down at male abuse victims? They're not malicious either. How is that not malicious?	/r/MensRights	11/11/18 10:22 PM
2	Any advice for how I should deal with this circumfetishist? Bodily autonomy is also an argument I've used. That one's hard to argue with.	/r/MensRights	10/11/18 12:11 PM
1	Columbia college student got blackout drunk and was "taken advantage of" sexually while unable to consent. Victim of sexual assault? No, silly - it was a male student. He was expelled instead. I think it was at Amherst (I might be wrong about that) that there was a similar case. In that one, both students were drunk. The guy was expelled, of course. The thing is, the school sent him a disciplinary letter saying his being drunk is no excuse for bad behavior. I'd bet a decent amount of money that that's what Columbia will say in this case.	/r/MensRights	09/11/18 06:36 PM
5	I did not consent! Another one: it can destroy trust in others. It can do lasting psychological damage. It can do this in many ways. For me: a "successful" circumcision led to meatal stenosis. (This is actually not uncommon: it's a complication of around 8% - 10% of circumcisions.) I needed two surgeries to fix it. I must have been about 6 — old enough to remember both. They were done under local anesthetic. Not enough was used; it hurt like hell. Scary as hell, too. I was a little boy and I didn't know why this w…	/r/MensRights	08/11/18 01:28 PM
1	Yet another horror story about the erosion of due process at the nation’s colleges and universities Good point.	/r/MensRights	15/10/18 02:42 PM
24	Yet another horror story about the erosion of due process at the nation’s colleges and universities Elsewhere I posted this. I think it applies here too. (I've edited it slightly.): Two points I rarely see people make: Let's say an accused college student is thrown out of school and is in fact guilty. The school has just put a rapist out into the world without needing to notify law enforcement. Not really the best solution if your real goal is to protect people from rapists. Due process is important even in college proceedings. First of all, the principle is an important one. But in practical …	/r/MensRights	15/10/18 02:30 PM
2	What are some other subs that compliment this one? Are you sure you're not thinking of r/menslib? That one is certainly feminist. But I lurk on r/FeMRAdebates and find it quite different. It's an interesting mix. Yes, the mods tend to lean feminist, but a clear majority of the members there are MRAs. The membership seems fairly consistent; people tend to know one another. Both sides usually argue/discuss in good faith, and there are some intelligent and articulate people there. There are some exceptions (I'm thinking of one feminist in particula…	/r/MensRights	14/10/18 11:30 PM
3	Why is there so little interest and intent in saving lives? Thank you!	/r/MensRights	25/09/18 02:05 PM
11	Why is there so little interest and intent in saving lives? Physical violence on women by men is a bigger problem than the reverse, but women are far more likely to inflict emotional harm to men. Actually, I'm pretty sure women perpetrate more violence against men than the other way round. I know it seems counterintuitive. I don't have the statistics at hand, but perhaps someone else does?	/r/MensRights	25/09/18 01:02 PM
88	"If for every few [innocent] accused that are imprisoned, a rapist gets behind too, than that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make." I wanna throw up. Don't forget the other thing she says: This is why I'm against laws curbing female-on-male rape, because the woman may be discouraged this way. Isn't that nice?	/r/MensRights	24/09/18 12:43 PM
12	His name was Brian Banks. Wanetta Gibson Wanetta Gibson Wanetta Gibson I am struck by the fact that in this entire thread, only one person, u/amirmusa has used her name. Is this a holdover of the influence of rape shield laws? When a man is accused of rape, his name is in the media; his accuser's identity is not revealed. Here we have an innocent man, a guilty woman, and still most conversations (and some news articles) mention only is name, not hers. As has been rightly pointed out, everyone will associate the name Bria…	/r/MensRights	23/09/18 03:29 PM
2	His name was Brian Banks. Also, feminism is a dying trend outside out their little bubble, we dont have to care what a few cringey embarrassing people say. Outside of acedemia and reddit no one cares about feminists. Actually, a lot of people care about feminism outside academia and reddit. By influencing law, public policy and public opinion, it has quite a large influence in the outside world. The case under discussion in this thread being an excellent example.	/r/MensRights	23/09/18 03:08 PM
2	#NeverForget #NeverForgive these people Another response to Hilary: What about fathers, brothers, sons, husbands? Don't they also lose their male loved ones in war? I saw this somewhere on Reddit the other day. I wish I could remember where, so I could give the poster credit. I think it's an excellent counterargument to Hilary's nonsense. Of course, the main issue is that she ignored all the men who actually die in war. But if she's going to argue that the ones left behind are the real victims, then the above response beats her at her…	/r/MensRights	21/09/18 12:52 PM
1	#NeverForget #NeverForgive these people Frightening that it's been reduced by an order of magnitude.	/r/MensRights	21/09/18 12:43 PM
13	When she accuses you of Mansplaining... "How dare you assume my gender!"	/r/MensRights	21/09/18 12:39 PM
2	Men Beyond 50 - an informal network, and a set of resources to help men from their mid-forties into their seventies and beyond, to live happy and fulfilled lives As a 53 year old man. I think in general this type of site is a wonderful idea. However, I am concerned about the content on this one. I clicked on the "masculinity" tag and was treated to a pretty awful article called "We need to talk about masculinity" by Laurie Penny. It was posted by someone called Julie, who seems to have posted a lot on the site. I must admit I haven't explored the site very extensively, but the few things I did read are worryingly warmed-over cliches about feminism helpin…	/r/MensRights	07/09/18 05:29 PM
3	Troll posters claimed it would never happen, played it all down-First women ONLY music festival, has HAPPENED, setting precedent by banning ALL men. We're slowly, bit by bit, slipping into a two tier society, one for women, one for men. Yes, well said. That's what I meant, but you espressed it better than I did. The exception I can think of is one in which a principle is protested by action rather than by words. The classic example that comes to mind is Rosa Parks. Her action was much more powerful than any verbal or written criticism would have been.	/r/MensRights	02/09/18 12:56 PM
3	Troll posters claimed it would never happen, played it all down-First women ONLY music festival, has HAPPENED, setting precedent by banning ALL men. We're slowly, bit by bit, slipping into a two tier society, one for women, one for men. Principles are important. Among other things, violations of them set precedents.	/r/MensRights	02/09/18 10:04 AM
1	Banned from r/AskFeminist It's unfortunate, as I think open dialogue is best. But in this case, if you're frustrated, it might ease things to remember the Groucho Marx dictum: "I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have someone like me for a member" — only in this case, reverse it: "I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would NOT have someone like me for a member"	/r/MensRights	01/09/18 03:02 PM
1	Riot Games is segregating men out of an event via gender. The League of Legends community is not happy. But did they they specify which time zone? :)	/r/MensRights	01/09/18 02:49 PM
1	Riot Games is segregating men out of an event via gender. The League of Legends community is not happy. Well, it's possible that someone else's ideology is directly obstructing solving issues. In which case, it may be necessary to criticize it. However, it's also necessary to establish some way of showing everyone that the ideology in question actually is obstructive. And that's the knotty problem here.	/r/MensRights	01/09/18 02:45 PM
2	Riot Games is segregating men out of an event via gender. The League of Legends community is not happy. I don't know why you're getting downvoted here u/msleeduon. For what it's worth, I gave you upvotes. You're contributing to the conversation. Unless I'm misreading you—and of course correct me if I am—I think what you're doing pointing out JS Mill's famous dictum: "He who knows only his own side knows little of that." This is important for several reasons: (a) Knowing the other side's arguments strengthens one's own arguments. (b) We have to learn to think as our opponents think, because no matt…	/r/MensRights	01/09/18 02:15 PM
0	My reply to a BBC article about male suicide on a UK sub, which will meet downvote oblivion but needs to be seen. (who do exhibit trends in thought and action which effect society, just like men) Minor correction: in this context, it should be “affect”, not “effect”. (Sorry for nitpicking. I work part-time as an editor.)	/r/MensRights	23/08/18 06:07 PM
1	It doesn’t even guilt women :P How about the pic in the OP?	/r/MensRights	22/08/18 03:45 AM
1	It doesn’t even guilt women :P Age of onset often matters when discussing the "popularity" of a disease, as does gender and class. A disease that effects more young people, will receive more interest than one that primarily affects senior citizens. Breast cancer awareness has had to do a lot of work to get to the level where it is now. Prior to the 1980s breast cancer was a quiet disease that wasn't typically talked about openly. There were huge campaigns and efforts to get awareness up and have it be an open discussion. From…	/r/MensRights	21/08/18 04:07 PM
2	I'm going to do something brave. You empower your enemies when you take the name they give you. That's not true in every case. Look at "gay". True, it took time, but that was a great success.	/r/MensRights	15/08/18 12:52 PM
3	What Happens to #MeToo When a Feminist is the Accused? "Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist." When you're definitely interested in gender equality and not just interested in shoring up your social and legal privilege. Nor is she interested in history or the law, evidently. Title IX has been in place for almost fifty years, and it is not a feminist tool. That is not its purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX	/r/MensRights	14/08/18 01:47 PM
1	A slam dunk response to twitter mobs, tumblerettes and SJW rabbles. My pleasure! And I agree with you about Gutenberg. It's really kind of amazing to have such an astounding amount of great writing available for free.	/r/MensRights	12/08/18 12:11 AM
1	A slam dunk response to twitter mobs, tumblerettes and SJW rabbles. Project Gutenberg is your friend: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/1071. I'd start with "Self-Reliance". It's in his "Essays—First Series". Then, really any of them in that and his "Second Series". Some will speak to you more than others. Of the American Transcendentalists, Emerson and Thoreau ("Walden" is the one to read of his, if you haven't already) are the two who really grab me. (As a nice side-benefit, reading them helped me understand the poetry of Walt Whitman and Emily Dickenson …	/r/MensRights	11/08/18 11:21 PM
2	A slam dunk response to twitter mobs, tumblerettes and SJW rabbles. Emerson was and is a huge inspiration for me. His essays are brilliant, and so helpful. I think “Self-Reliance” was one of the things that got me through some very dark times. Interestingly, I read a recent exchange in which an SJW type was actually decrying the idea of self reliance. I’m fairly sure they hadn’t read the essay — probably never even heard of Emerson — but my first thought was at some point soon there will be a movement to ban his work.	/r/MensRights	11/08/18 09:01 PM
2	She thinks women shouldn't be imprisoned Thank you — that in itself is good to know.	/r/MensRights	11/08/18 08:40 PM
1	Elizabeth Hobson: Dear Young Men I had a great friend (sadly died some years ago) who was a Humanistic Rabbi. Occasionally people came up to him with the old antisemitic accustion "you Jews just want to take over the world". He had a wonderful and hilarious response. He'd say "yes, you're absolutely right. Now may I have your name and address, please?" Perhaps something like this could be used here? When confronted with "you acted entitled to sex", pull out a thick legal document, and say, "well, yes, in fact I am entitled to s…	/r/MensRights	11/08/18 11:44 AM
3	She thinks women shouldn't be imprisoned Technical complaint: I don't want to give Huffpo any clicks. I'm not alone in that, so I'm sure someone here will make an archived version. But here's the thing: archived versions usually do not allow you to see comments to the article. That's unfortunate; usually I find those the most interesting and revealing. It's a good way to take the temperature of the readerhsip of that site.	/r/MensRights	11/08/18 11:36 AM
3	Congressional nominee 'you won't find any women, especially women of color, that don't want to take care of their district'. I haven't watched the clip, but from the OP's headline, the obvious question comes to mind: are women of color unique in that? Or is "wanting to take care of their district" something common to all Congressional nominees? I mean, this could be a less extreme version of "you won't find any women who don't breathe air."	/r/MensRights	11/08/18 11:31 AM
3	“John Doe” spent more than five years in prison for a rape he did not commit. Thank you for saying that. I really don't doubt the 90% statistic stated early in the thread. In fact, it wouldn't even surprise me if it was worse than that for us men. I was only picturing arguing with feminists about this and trying to anticipate their objections.	/r/MensRights	10/08/18 11:43 PM
7	“John Doe” spent more than five years in prison for a rape he did not commit. You're absolutely right, and I hate that so many men don't deserve to be there. It's hard to tell tone in a written exchange like this; I hope I didn't give the impression that I was arguing with the statistic or how horrible it was. I'm on your side. I was only trying to anticipate what a counterargument might be, so that I could argue better with the other side. I really appreciate you filling out the picture; having these statistics will help a lot in debates.	/r/MensRights	10/08/18 06:08 PM
3	“John Doe” spent more than five years in prison for a rape he did not commit. Yes, and that really, really sucks. I mean, look at the lack of outrage at the recent UK unfairness of not imprisoning women (not people, just women) for non-violent crimes. It's a really alarming trend, and I predict it will get worse before it gets better.	/r/MensRights	10/08/18 01:51 PM
5	“John Doe” spent more than five years in prison for a rape he did not commit. I hope I don't get downvoted for this. I'm only pointing this out because I learned this from debating: one should do one's best to find flaws in one's own arguments, because one's opponent certainly will. So one thing to keep in mind is that the prison population is overhwhemingly male, so anything we say about prisoners is going to apply to a disproportionate number of men. Therefore it's not really a fair comparison. If that 90% number were true for a prison population that is 50% male and 50…	/r/MensRights	10/08/18 01:43 PM
1	Rend Lake College’s advice to men and women on sexual assault... That's true, and as such, it's a public institution receiving large amounts of public funding. Edit: Actually, I should point out that even private colleges and universities can be hurt by not complying with Title IX and the Dear Colleague Letter. They usually have at least some government grants. And almost all of them have students on government financial aid or scholarships. They stand to lose all that, which would be disastrous for them. This fact isn't talked about enough.	/r/MensRights	09/08/18 01:16 PM
-1	‘Honest belief’ defence should no longer be allowed in rape cases One problem (of many) is that it's impossible to farily compare stats on reported rapes of women with those of men, as men are much less likely to report.	/r/MensRights	09/08/18 01:02 PM
3	Rend Lake College’s advice to men and women on sexual assault... The fact that they're a public institution means they receive a large amount of federal funding, which they can lose if they don't follow Title IX and the "Dear Colleague Letter". That makes the college particularly motivated to be seen as doing something about "rape culture on campus", which in turn, means male students are in even more danger of the consequences of false accusations than they would be at private institutions.	/r/MensRights	08/08/18 10:01 PM
2	Forcing small firms to publish their pay gap wouldn't help women \| Economist explains it will discourage companies from hiring young women, to avoid making their public "number" worse. This is a general comment, and does not necessarily reflect my views on this particular example. But I thought it relevant. There's a line in "Three Days of the Condor" (a very underrated spy thriller from the '70s) where the character played by Robert Redford says: "You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth!" I only mention this because I've seen an increasing number of serious articles in the MSM that don't get this simple point about ethics. It's pretty dist…	/r/MensRights	08/08/18 02:46 PM
0	I think CommonSenseMedia is bias. Has anyone else noticed? Don't get trapped into this. It's a tactic I see far too often. As I said above, u/DoubleDonged made the initial claim; therefore u/DoubleDonged should be the one providing evidence.	/r/MensRights	08/08/18 02:38 PM
1	I think CommonSenseMedia is bias. Has anyone else noticed? Actually, u/DoubleDonged, you made the claim, so you're the one who should be providing evidence. Violence by males should be more of a concern because it is far more common then violence by females.	/r/MensRights	08/08/18 02:37 PM
8	5 Most Ridiculous Gender Studies Papers Published by Peer Reviewed Journals \| Keep this handy for the next time a feminist tells you to educate yourself by reading more feminist literature: "Should I start with these?" They forgot to add musicologist Susan McLary. In the 1987 issue of Minnesota Composers Forum Newsletter she wrote, of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony: "The point of recapitulation in the first movement of the Ninth is one of the most horrifying moments in music, as the carefully prepared cadence is frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release." Needless to say, this caused some raised eyebrows among music scholars. (T…	/r/MensRights	08/08/18 02:19 PM
2	I have no words. Yes, well put.	/r/MensRights	07/08/18 02:46 PM
10	I have no words. The difference seems to be that 'moderate feminists' will usually say "there are males' issues, but they're not as serious as females', and so feminism should focus on females". Or worse, "there are males' issues, but they're not as serious as females', and so feminism should focus on females. Also, the way to solve mens' issues is to concentrate on womens' issues." Trickle-down equality.	/r/MensRights	07/08/18 02:32 PM
1	HuffPost Editor Says New Year's Resolution Is to "Kill All Men" \| Inc… (It isn't just the New York Times, then.) I posted this earlier somewhere, but I can't find it now. I don't know what the average age here is. I'm 53, and I can remember when the NYT was by far the best newspaper in the US — and one of the best in the world. I loved that most of the articles were well-written and well-edited by intelligent people. I loved that it had a breadth of coverage no other paper could touch. Sure, it published plenty of stuff I didn't agree with. That didn't bother me. What does bother me is mindless drivel that…	/r/MensRights	06/08/18 01:10 PM
3	HuffPost Editor Says New Year's Resolution Is to "Kill All Men" \| Inc… (It isn't just the New York Times, then.) I asked this of someone recently, and was told "don't be ridiculous; that will never happen". My reply: "Does the name Goebbels mean anything to you?" I got a blank stare. Yeah, I went full Godwin there. But it was amazing to me how little some people know of history. And the old adage about being doomed to repeat it isn't actually stupid.	/r/MensRights	06/08/18 01:04 PM
3	The Economist blames disproportionate male suicide on ‘status anxiety’ and ‘erosion of privilege’ Oh, I am stealing that! That is brilliant.	/r/MensRights	04/08/18 01:01 PM
8	Sarah Jeong's anti male tweets are not acceptable- "kill all men". This is pure bigotry and very scary. Don’t take the bait and get sucked into a tangential argument. I’ve started to use “bigotry towards men” instead. Or “vile, pathetic, poisonous bigotry towards men.” Vary adjectives to taste. More words, but avoids the trap.	/r/MensRights	04/08/18 12:52 PM
1	Something to lift the spirits of us all here. Prison rape joke in /r/funny is called out by eveyone. If anything, we live in a rape culture against men and boys Actually, the term "rape culture" originally referred to the acceptance of prison rape. Modern feminism appropriated the term and reversed its meaning. Edit: Which is somewhat ironic, given the current infatuation with "cultural appropriation".	/r/MensRights	03/08/18 10:15 PM
1	I think we have some feminazi trolls in here. No, don't block them. At least three reasons not to: We shouldn't stoop to the level of the echo chambers. It might bring more people to come see us. That would be good, as we have a bad reputation amongst many who haven't seen us. If people read for themselves, some of them — at least a few — might see through the lies that are told about us, and see that we care about (and are acting on) some pretty important things. That old maxim applies here: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a m…	/r/MensRights	03/08/18 10:12 PM
6	Something is wrong with this poll, I can feel it but I cant grasp it... You are being sarcastic, aren’t you?	/r/MensRights	03/08/18 07:08 PM
1	#bringbackourgirls. Just discovered that more than 25 boys were burnt alive in the same attack while women were spared death. I am Shocked and broken. Somewhat of a tangent, but as I understand it, being burnt alive is one of the most painful ways to die.	/r/MensRights	03/08/18 02:00 PM
2	Counter Protest to "March for Men" I've no doubt! :) But keep cool, and bring us a full report on what happens. Incidentally, just to make sure I don't give a mistaken impression: there's nothing wrong with making statements — even quite strong ones. I just try to keep in mind three things: #1: the power of questions, as I detailed above; #2: to keep a cool head, which doesn't mean I can't speak vociferously and powerfully (I can do rhetorical fireworks too!), but it does make it a little easier for me to do #3: think a few moves…	/r/MensRights	02/08/18 12:25 AM
6	Counter Protest to "March for Men" This is true. I know a lot of feminists, and some of them are extremely intelligent. That's not surprising; in any large group you'll find some intelligent people and some not so intelligent people. And intelligence is no protection against believing false or even harmful things. Especially when a person might have strong emotional reasons to believe. But that same emotion can fuel behavior such as bullhorns. Some outside observers might see through those tactics. So it might not be so bad.	/r/MensRights	01/08/18 04:09 PM
13	Counter Protest to "March for Men" Yes, that's good. Especially the part about compassion, and especially citing stats.	/r/MensRights	01/08/18 04:04 PM
11	Counter Protest to "March for Men" Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. I love that. I'm stealing it.	/r/MensRights	01/08/18 04:03 PM
6	Counter Protest to "March for Men" Yes. Absolutely. Not a bad idea to boil it down to a simple script like that. Many will get the point.	/r/MensRights	01/08/18 04:01 PM
7	Counter Protest to "March for Men" A word about tactics: I always find asking questions to be much more effective than making statements. Make a statement and you're vulnerable: your opponent can attack it in all sorts of ways — derisory jokes, rhetorical fireworks, appeals to emotion, etc. These can be quite effective at swinging people to their side. For example, to take your suggestions, if we say: "But they don't blame women, they blame feminists protesting them when they speak up!" This is a statement. They could easily coun…	/r/MensRights	01/08/18 03:59 PM
3	Counter Protest to "March for Men" I think so. That seems to be how a lot of things work. It's an axiom of informal debates, too: you're not trying to convince your opponent; you're trying to convince the observers. That's why rhetoric often carries the day — people instinctively respond to strong personality much more than they do to logic. On the other hand, if a debater says nothing of substance and relies only on their personality, many will see through the sham. (Formal debates follow more stringent rules, but they're rare t…	/r/MensRights	01/08/18 03:57 PM
9	Inequalities men face I've found that when arguing with feminists about the unfairness of the draft (registering for Selective Service), it's a problem if I only mention men having to buy our vote by agreeing to fight in wars. That usually gets one of several responses: "Come on, when was the last draft? It's a meaningless thing you have to sign." or "But women have never been allowed to fight, so really, this is misogyny, not misandry." or "Who made that law? Men." or "There shouldn't be a draft anyway, and feminism…	/r/MensRights	31/07/18 02:55 PM
0	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) First of all, I think the need for "good" feminists speak up against man-hating feminists is much more important than you might think. It is absolutely essential. Second, about accepting outside help: Of course we need to. And yeah, it is shitty to deny all attempts on their part to reach out. I never said otherwise. I do think it's important to distinguish between good-faith and bad-faith attempts to reach out. The former we should welcome heartily and gratefully. The latter we should ignore, o…	/r/MensRights	29/07/18 04:32 AM
1	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) I think you might have me confused with someone else. I haven't said any of these things.	/r/MensRights	29/07/18 04:07 AM
1	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) Yes and no. The actual concept of toxic masculinity is best shown in the need to display how masculine one is without concern for self or others. Guys not crying because that's weak is toxic masculinity. Guys being the bread maker and letting their so be the care taker is toxic masculinity. The enforcing of those beliefs is generally not toxic masculinity in itself, but can be. Tell that to the feminists who authoritatively delcare otherwise. Who — when challenged — retreat to insist toxic mascu…	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 07:14 PM
1	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) And you all want to have some imaginary battle against an extremely small minority of women. Leave your echo-chamber. There’s a lot of cool shit happening, and like, no extremist-feminists really have a platform. They’re probably just Russian trolls, tbh. An extremely small minority of women? I don't know about that. What I do know is that these women have a loud voice, and yes, they do have a platform. Look at so many men's issues. Child custody? NOW. Domestic violence? Duluth Model. Rape stati…	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 06:47 PM
2	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) I'm sorry, but that article rests on one fatal assumption. I am discovering a secret, slowly: the men I know who are exceptionally nurturing lovers, fathers, coworkers, close friends to their friends, who know how to make people feel safe, have almost no outlets through which to learn or share this hardwon skill with other men. They may have had a role model at home, if they are lucky, in the form of an exceptionally nurturing father, but if they do not have this model they have had to figure ev…	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 06:40 PM
3	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) Yes, but for that to be effective at all, the "good" feminists have to start calling out the "bad" feminists. When men do it, we're ignored or vilified. Men's voices don't carry any weight here. Right now the the "good" feminists (the feminists who see us as people) are doing a great job of remaining silent. Theyr'e the ones who need to speak up. In fact, usually the only time they'll comment is to say "not all feminists are like that". As someone said in another thread, it's like they're more c…	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 06:18 PM
1	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) I'm going to emphasize some words from the sections you quoted: Though feminists have always recognized the anguish that boys face in a patriarchal system, we haven’t built the same structures of support for boys that we have for girls. If we want to stop young men from being taken in by sexism, that has to change. As others have pointed out, Valenti is saying feminism has to help men act better toward women.	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 06:10 PM
1	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) If feminism would try to fix the same problems we want to fix wouldn't it be better to try and cooperate to get some improvements? Yes, it would. But feminists insist feminism has the solutions. They insist they know how to help us. Feminists want MRAs to cooperate pursuing feminism's solutions. What happens when MRAs say "here's what we think are the ways to solve this problem; can you cooperate with us on that?"? Feminists usually don't even argue which solution is better. They simply accuse u…	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 05:49 PM
1	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) I thought toxic masculinity refers to the pressures society puts on men to conform to gender roles. It doens't refer to anything men do or say, or the way any men are. The term refers to something society is doing to them. The men are the victims. At least, that's what defenders of the term always say it means. Of course, it's something of a motte and bailey, as that's not how it's usually used. In fact, you didn't use that definition of it here.	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 05:30 PM
4	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) I want to point out what just happened. u/PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS used a debating tactic that's quite common, and it's a trap. He/she asked u/LucyferTheHellish to define modern feminism. In fact, LucyferTheHellish had just done that: "Advocacy for women rights is core for matriarchy if you fight against the equal rights for the men as well, and that's what modern feminism does." By responding with "define modern feminism", PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS is saying "no, you're wrong, but I'm not going to tell you ho…	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 02:30 PM
2	Never let your opposition define you. (My own post) This is somewhat tangential, but what the hell has happened to the New York Times? I'm 53; for most of my life it was by far the best newspaper to be found, in America, at least. I've become so disappointed in it in recent years. They often published stuff I didn't agree with — that didn't bother me. But weak-minded crap that simply toes the popular line does. Moreover, if nothing else, the quality of writing has gone down the proverbial tubes.	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 01:04 PM
4	Honest question: Has a prominent feminist ever said anything positive about men and masculinity? My morning caffeine hasn't kicked in yet, so I'll readily admit this post isn't going to contribute much. But I didn't get that from the Ford article at all. It seemed to me her take on toxic masculinity was a twistier way of saying the usual thing.	/r/MensRights	28/07/18 12:57 PM
5	The Six Pillars Of International Men's Day. Moreover, it's not always a disruption. After all, one of the pillars is "to highlight discrimination against males". Whenever I hear this sub disparaged for pointing out bad things women or feminists do, I think "good, we're doing that part of our job today". If the contention that men suffer gender-based injustices is to carry any weight, someone needs to point them out. If we're not going to, who is?	/r/MensRights	26/07/18 02:31 PM
1	The Six Pillars Of International Men's Day. I'll buy that. Looks good.	/r/MensRights	26/07/18 02:21 PM
2	As we dug a little deeper into our individual experiences and histories, many of us found ourselves feeling very angry about how little our needs had mattered to those around us throughout our lives. You and u/i_reckon_not are absolutely right. I couldn't agree more and can't begin to top you two in terms of expressing it so well. All I'll say is that every time I hear about men enforcing traditional gender norms against other men, I wonder who these men are. They certainly don't sound like any men I've ever known. All the gender role enforcement I've ever experienced has come from women. As Brené Brown acknowledged, women are the ones who really don't want men to open up.* I do think it's a…	/r/MensRights	25/07/18 03:08 PM
1	I never thought I would thank an MRA I'm glad you have such friends. Do they also find men expressing anger attractive? In my expreience women want men to express sadness, love, joy, insecurity — but not anger. Anger they find inconvenient and scary. They say it's toxic. Yet anger is also an emotion — a very important one. Now, sometimes women say "of course anger is an emotion, and of course a man should be able to express it, calmly and clearly." In other words, they only want men to express anger in a way that doesn't disturb th…	/r/MensRights	11/07/18 04:08 PM
3	I never thought I would thank an MRA Bromances more satisfying than relationships. Not only that, but as I recall, in response to this article there were numerous articles and comments criticizing and ridiculing the idea. "Sounds like fragile masculinity to me" is a phrase I remember.	/r/MensRights	11/07/18 03:33 PM
5	Today I Was Assaulted By My Biological Sister And The Police Didn't Arrest Her Or she could say "he hit my hands with [some object]." That might sound weird and unbelievable, but in fact rapping on the knuckles with a wooden rod or ruler used to be (and maybe still is?) a common punishment in some Catholic schools. So she might be perfectly believable saying that. If she's going to lie about who attacked whom, why would one expect her to be honest about a detail that would make her case look bad?	/r/MensRights	01/07/18 01:59 PM
1	Buzzfeed article about how sad it is women that falsely accuse men of rape are going to prison in the UK Is there a way to see comments on an archived article? I've noticed in the past that if the original article has comments, the archived version omits them. That's too bad, as often the comments are worth reading.	/r/MensRights	30/06/18 08:18 PM
1	FIFY You're technically right that "due process doesn't apply outside of law." I also hear this said about freedom of speech in the USA: "The 1st Amendment doesn't apply in a private institution." I think this misses the point: due process could apply. There's nothing preventing companies or universities saying "we're not required by law to grant due process, but we're going to grant it anyway because we think it's an important principle."	/r/MensRights	30/06/18 06:05 PM
2	My workplace held a #metoo meeting for the women I understand all these points. Gunter Grass said "The duty of a citizen is to keep your mouth open." So, yes, men do have a voice. Yes, it's important to make our points if and when we can. On the other hand, it's true that if we argue back it can often backfire: we are accused of being misogynists — plus our opponents will dig in their heels and become even more entrenched in their positions. Also, it is certainly true that arguing back can have real and material detrimental effects to the live…	/r/MensRights	29/06/18 03:30 PM
3	My workplace held a #metoo meeting for the women Thank you so much. As others have said, we men have the deck stacked against us if we open our mouths about this. It's a sad state of affairs. But given the current situation, women can argue back more effectively. Most likely you did much more good than you know. Thank you again, and yes — keep us posted.	/r/MensRights	29/06/18 02:57 PM
3	A great Quora answer, which perfectly explains why MRAs and feminists oppose each other so much. It's a good answer. However, she did overlook (or omit) some crucial points. Others here have indicated some of them. Here's one I noticed. Campbell takes an aerial view, and shows the NAFALT landscape. But one big problem with the NAFALT defense isn't that it's wrong. It's that it's a defensive position used to silence critics. MRAs don't need to hear "Those other feminists are wrong." Instead, it's those other feminists who need to hear "Hey, you're wrong! And you're hurting men! Stop it!" The…	/r/MensRights	13/06/18 01:19 PM
1	Is the term "Male Genital Mutilation" too harsh? It's late and I need to be up early tomorrow; I'll have to give you a proper reply later. But I just wanted you to know I gave you an upvote; I think your post contributes to the conversation. Thank you.	/r/MensRights	06/06/18 04:55 AM
3	Is the term "Male Genital Mutilation" too harsh? And what about the confidence and mental health of the men who DO feel they’ve been mutilated? And who have dealt with lifelong physical and emotional trauma as a result of the procedure? I am one. Every time I hear someone call it circumcision it reinforces just how little society cares. Most of the time people call it circumcision unthinkingly; they simply use the term that’s common parlance. I can excuse that, as they’re unaware of what they’re doing. But for someone to think about it, learn …	/r/MensRights	06/06/18 12:14 AM